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Time Nick Message
00:00 hmmmm yes
00:00 * Sokomine grabs some nice bright homedecor lights and puts them everywhere on peacocks server
00:01 us_0gb I wish my Minetest logs would quit getting corrupted. I've resorted to leaving my ssh portal open just to catch the error messages. But I feel vulnerable doing that.
00:03 * us_0gb questions where his ring went, which he just noticed isn't on his finger any more
00:09 NakedFury its from a meme
00:09 NakedFury I think a dog meme
00:10 us_0gb NakedFury: Ah. No wonder I don't know it. I don't really follow memes.
00:10 NakedFury same here but had already seen a similar comment elsewhere
00:10 NakedFury I dont get memes
00:12 us_0gb I usually don't either. THe vast majority of them are either unfunny or irritating.
00:14 SirDigby Happens
00:14 SirDigby Your just going up
00:15 SirDigby memes are made up shit from the minds of 12 year-olds
00:16 jnharlin is there a way to tell if a particular world has jungles? before I go off and try to find one?
00:16 SirDigby I apologize for the curse word.
00:16 us_0gb True, true.
00:17 us_0gb jnharlin: Check the world's meta file for the "jungles" flag.
00:17 jnharlin thanks..and if it doesnt, can I add it to the existing world?
00:18 us_0gb jnharlin: Officially, no, unofficially, yes, I've done it.
00:18 jnharlin lol...unofficially? So, how do I unofficially add it then? simply add the flag?
00:19 us_0gb jnharlin: I think you have to add the flag and a couple other lines to the file.
00:19 us_0gb If you don't add the other lines, the flag doesn't work, I think I recall.
00:20 jnharlin hmmm...i am using the vanilla minetest, loving it, and have a server setup with me and my daughter. We are needing cotton and the only way I see to get cotton is to find some jungle grass get a cotton seed and plant it.
00:20 us_0gb jnharlin: Add the flag to your minetest.conf, create a new world, and copy the new world's meta file to the old world while Minetest is not running.
00:23 jnharlin i do not see a way to create a world with or without jungles...so how does that get selected...and my current world does not have that flag :(
00:23 jnharlin is it just "jungles"
00:23 jnharlin V6
00:25 paramat the wow, such nodes server is Peacock / mauvebic's and uses my island mod for mapgen
00:25 us_0gb jnharlin: In minetest.conf, edit the "mg_flags" value and add ", jungles" to the end.
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00:32 us_0gb My new world has a nice island in the middle.
00:32 us_0gb It's a great place to spawn.
00:34 us_0gb I might actually import the island into my old world as a spawn area.
00:43 Exio4 kaeza: http://www.rock.com.ar/letras/6/6521.shtml
00:45 Megaf It's beautiful mesecons and pipeworks working together
00:46 Megaf One can build a totally automated stone tile factory
00:46 Megaf it gets cobble from lava and water, and fuel from cactus
00:46 Megaf auto sufficient
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00:49 xyz https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer/commit/​a0b7974b01c6614ec916d2a56c1059a4c65c1844
00:49 paramat okay im submitting a new wieldhand texture https://github.com/minetest/minetest_​game/issues/222#issuecomment-32139661
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01:00 Megaf xyz, looks cool
01:01 ShadowNinja MessagePack.  Protobuf would be better.
01:01 ShadowNinja (Or a custom compatible version)
01:02 xyz feel free to do protobuf
01:02 xyz and what's your reasoning?
01:04 ShadowNinja Protobuf uses a minimal amount of space for messages because you send keys only once.
01:06 xyz doesn't matter
01:06 xyz the difference isn't that big
01:07 Exio4 add client-side lua before switching to protobuf
01:07 Exio4 :D
01:10 xyz well, that's irritating
01:10 xyz it's 2014 already yet linux doesn't have a tool to convert part of a video to .gif animation
01:11 meldrian_fail xyz, how bout QGifer? (untested)
01:12 ShadowNinja Exio4: Or better: Have two people work on both.  :-)
01:12 xyz This file is coded with "avc1" codec and contains more than 1800 frames. This codec is not supported for full-length videos yet, please cut your video or use other codec like motion JPEG or YUV4.
01:13 xyz The player failed to load the video file!
01:13 xyz meldrian_fail: ^
01:13 Exio4 doesn't ffmpeg work there
01:14 meldrian_fail in that case, another program program like pitifi or openshot is needet to trim so you are probably right.
01:14 xyz by the way, wtf is "yuv4 video codec"
01:15 xyz well, I just want to select a part of video and convert it to .gif, I hoped it's not that hard
01:18 Exio4 xyz: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/98781​38/playing-a-specific-interval-of-a-vide​o-in-mplayer-using-command-line-option + -vo
01:20 xyz but that's no problem, I've already used kdenlive to extract part of video
01:20 xyz well now qgifer accepted the file
01:20 xyz i tried to seek it and it froze
01:20 Exio4 mplayer -vo gifsomething then
01:20 Exio4 gif89a
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01:22 dragutux hi
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01:23 xyz cool, it seems to know about multithreading
01:24 xyz uh oh, it froze again
01:29 xyz Exio4: now how do I make it not ~2.5 in size? and I also would like proper colors
01:30 xyz also FPS is lower than source
01:30 xyz but that's okey
01:33 xyz imagemagick ate 4 gb of ram? that's fine too, I have a lot of free ram anyway
01:36 xyz uh oh so what do I do?
01:37 Exio4 the fps thingy can be fixed with :fps=XX
01:37 Exio4 it looks somehow nice here, fwiw, (the colors)
01:37 Exio4 also, the size? i don't know!
01:39 xyz yeah sure colors are fine
01:39 xyz http://i.imgur.com/68WRpvu.png
01:44 Exio4 i can't play a 1080p gif decently
01:44 Exio4 this cusk
01:44 Exio4 sucks*
01:46 Exio4 lol
01:46 Exio4 chromium ate five gbs of ram
01:46 Exio4 for playing the .gif
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01:49 xyz can you send a sample?
01:49 xyz of what you've got
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02:05 Exio4 the file i generated is at 20 FPS and is 473 mb
02:06 Exio4 a minute of gif is 500~ mb
02:06 Exio4 neat
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02:19 Exio4 124 MB  forESD
02:19 Exio4 /70 seconds
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02:21 Exio4 it is funny how the ram usage goes from 2gb to 6gb that fast
02:28 Exio4 was able to reduce it to 100mb
02:30 Exio4 now it looks like shit
02:34 xyz yea
02:34 xyz I've managed to reduce it to 3 mb limit and post to /a/
02:34 xyz challenge completed
02:35 Exio4 what did you do with it
02:35 xyz downscale to 480x270, 7 fps, export to png with ffmpeg, then `convert` to gif (8 fps), then gifsicle -O2 --colors 170
02:36 xyz it's a 13 second gif
02:36 Exio4 oh
02:36 Exio4 the resolution and FPS
02:37 Exio4 i'm using 852x480, also, 15fps
02:37 xyz it's anime so 8 fps is something my brain can accept
02:37 xyz and how long is it?
02:37 Exio4 i'm only converting 70 seconds
02:37 Exio4 but the whole episode is like 45 minutes :P
02:38 xyz did you run gifsicle on it?
02:38 Exio4 xyz: first episode of hannibal (tv serie)
02:38 Exio4 nope
02:39 xyz try it
02:39 xyz although I don't know what do you use
02:39 Exio4 took 43 seconds to download 126kb
02:40 Exio4 amazing network
02:44 Exio4 90mb
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04:18 paramat Peacock, im testing a modified version of islands with snow and ice, how far out from world centre have your players generated chunks?
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04:51 Peacock not very far, they seem to concentrate on 1-3 central islands lol
04:51 Peacock they use the defaults snow and ice?
04:53 Peacock (sorry for the delay, this up and down weather gave me a wicked cold/fever)
05:01 paramat oh hi ;)
05:02 paramat yeah default snow, ice. how about i put snow and ice starting 1km out?
05:04 paramat just wondering how far out players have 'seen' and generated chunks ... anyway there'll be a param for that ...
05:08 paramat wishing you health ... i'll set default start of snow biomes 1-2km out, its a noisy radial temp gradient
05:09 paramat an island 'is land', it does what it says on the tin
05:16 paramat no ... i'll make north / south cold, for a larger hot area as a strip across the world ;) toodle pip!
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07:27 khonkhortisan Minetest has a common bug, mishandling a second mouse cursor.
07:28 enchilado Having a second mouse cursor is common?
07:28 khonkhortisan Mishandling an uncommon second mouse cursor is common
07:28 khonkhortisan though this program does it in an original way
07:28 khonkhortisan you can only aim the camera if you hold a button down
07:30 enchilado Ah
07:30 enchilado I thought you meant commonly encountered in Minetest, not a bug that was common across all programs
07:30 khonkhortisan It also has the more popular trap the first mouse in the window even if movement from the second mouse was detected
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08:04 hoodedice So VanessaE is up at 3 am?
08:04 hoodedice wow
08:04 VanessaE yup, in fact I just got up.
08:05 hoodedice lol. And that's why you were the only American on at the time I usually connected to IRC while back in the East
08:06 VanessaE probably
08:06 hoodedice :|
08:06 VanessaE this place is a graveyard at this time of night
08:06 hoodedice Why am I awake anyway?
08:07 hoodedice I can understand.
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08:07 hoodedice So you didn't switch to FM?
08:07 VanessaE nope.
08:07 hoodedice Too liberal?
08:08 VanessaE tried it, didn't work out.  at the time, it was too much of a memory hog for what I had to work with
08:08 VanessaE theoretically, I could run it now, but from watching the discussions here and in -dev, I am not inclined to.
08:08 hoodedice They did optimise it, then again hogged it.
08:08 hoodedice lol what discussions?
08:09 VanessaE just general discussions across a variety of topics
08:09 hoodedice =|
08:09 VanessaE mostly networking-related
08:09 hoodedice Well I'll be crashing now. Later
08:09 VanessaE ok, cya
08:09 hoodedice Nocturnal animal
08:09 hoodedice =P
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10:04 Xeprione hi
10:04 Xeprione it's me, Ragnar :D
10:04 Xeprione aka. zRokh
10:05 Xeprione im making a FREE/Libre/Open-Source game! :D Open Source beginning from 02. 03. 2014
10:16 xyz :D
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10:19 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
10:19 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (221ms)
10:19 Megaf Hi all
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10:47 VanessaE hi
10:49 Megaf Hi there
10:50 VanessaE hey
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11:21 EvergreenTree o/
11:24 VanessaE hi
11:27 VanessaE EvergreenTree:  https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=125506#p125506
11:27 VanessaE :)
11:27 VanessaE (namely, "* Add experimental, partial suppot for Undergrowth Modpack (not yet complete, but close).")
11:28 EvergreenTree Nice
11:29 EvergreenTree I'll be able to use the higher resolutions on my new computer
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12:01 Megaf Ok, I'm stupid. I remotely logged in to my home computer via ssh and then I did # ifdown eth0
12:02 VanessaE oops!
12:03 Megaf It was like. Hm, I will do ifdown and ifup to reconfigure my network, then I did ifdown and ssh stop responding. And I was like, Duh! I'm really stupid!
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12:06 proller Player with an invalid name [신원진] tried to connect
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12:07 VanessaE hah.  firefox segfaulted and took X with it.
12:08 VanessaE PoS.
12:09 Megaf wow
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12:09 Megaf That's why I learned to run critical applications on a screen session and not in a normal terminal window
12:09 EvergreenTree funny how you can make cool 2d stuff in blender
12:09 Megaf s/why/how
12:10 EvergreenTree when it's meant as a 3d animator
12:10 EvergreenTree why?
12:10 EvergreenTree because blender is a very powerful animator
12:10 VanessaE Megaf: what's that got to do with anything?
12:10 Megaf I was just correcting myself EvergreenTree, And is sounds cool to make 2D stuff in blender
12:11 EvergreenTree oh
12:11 Megaf VanessaE: Sometime ago I would run a service in foreground on a terminal windows, then sometimes some program would make the X die, closing the terminal window and that service running on it
12:12 VanessaE I don't run any services from terminals in my normal desktop.
12:12 Megaf VanessaE: so I began to run services on screen sessions, so they would run no matter what and it will be quite easy to see theier logs and stop them
12:12 VanessaE meanwhile, that crash took down X hard enough that I had to force a reboot
12:12 Megaf my server runs on a screen session
12:12 VanessaE because when X goes, usually it takes the whole damn console subsystem with it :-/
12:13 VanessaE no servers here.  Mine are on a dedicated machine up in Canada.
12:15 Megaf mine too, but still...
12:16 Megaf yesterday I met and helped an American guy, he's going to Uruguay by bus
12:16 Megaf from Brazil
12:17 Megaf Brazil and Uruguay are not cool places to visit if you don't speak a little of Portuguese and Spanish
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12:17 VanessaE I think I'll stay right where I am.
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12:19 Megaf VanessaE: you could go to Europe
12:19 VanessaE why?
12:19 Megaf I've been there, lovely place
12:19 VanessaE I have no desire to leave
12:19 Megaf And they speak English there
12:19 VanessaE (and no money :P )
12:19 VanessaE google does some cool shit with maps there too :)
12:20 VanessaE street view, if it spots a blue police box, will give you an option to go inside and look around....the Tardis.
12:20 Megaf really
12:20 Megaf ?
12:20 VanessaE https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=51.492​159%2C-0.19092&spn=0.005291%2C0.013937&s​ll=51.492140%2C-0.193028&layer=c&cid=125​02927659667388442&panoid=c9UMhWP_MWm9U0L48xE​jYw&cbp=13%2C291.8%2C%2C0%2C18.86&gl=US&​amp;t=m&cbll=51.492132%2C-0.192862&z=17
12:20 VanessaE yup
12:21 VanessaE clock the double arrow
12:21 VanessaE click*
12:21 VanessaE (the << that points at the blue police box in the street view in that link there )
12:23 Megaf so, that where the power rangers live
12:23 Megaf or work
12:23 VanessaE heh
12:23 VanessaE got that from someone on facebook the other day
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12:38 Megaf Heh, I don't really use facebook
12:38 Megaf I'm an IRC and Forums guy
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12:47 Megaf adorable creatures http://uk.screen.yahoo.com/7-real-​life-monsters-211827239.html?vp=1
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13:56 Megaf eth0 back up
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14:49 Exio4 wow opensource game! zomg!
14:49 Exio4 amaze!
14:50 sfan5 hi everyone
14:51 Exio4 hi sfan5
14:51 * sfan5 puts a kitten on Exio4's head
14:51 * Exio4 rewrites sfan5 in Java
14:51 sfan5 D:
14:51 * sfan5 deletes every .java file
14:52 * Exio4 looks at sfan5 deleting himself
14:52 * sfan5 throws a kitten at Exio4
14:56 * Exio4 rewrites sfan5 in python
14:56 sfan5 well.. thats better
14:56 Exio4 ok\
14:56 Exio4 PHP then
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15:10 kaeza greetings
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15:12 VanessaE greetz
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15:16 VanessaE bbl
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15:24 troller compiling on slowberry pi: real    178m59.769s
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15:56 Exio4 proller: the rpi is mean to be the cheapest arm board you can get
15:56 Exio4 even if that means its performance is shit
16:01 proller for homeless ?
16:01 proller odroud u3 for 59$
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16:02 proller with 4 cores and 2g
16:06 Exio4 proller: 60 USD is ~two times the rpi
16:06 proller and 15+ times faster
16:06 sfan5 !g odrioid u3
16:06 MinetestBot sfan5: http://www.hardkernel.com/
16:06 Exio4 yeah
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16:06 proller site now down for me, but look to cache\
16:08 Exio4 the rpi is for other user share
16:08 Exio4 and for educationg purposes "only"
16:08 Exio4 the odroid try to be "mid-to-high-end" arm
16:08 Exio4 tries*
16:10 zsoltisawesome odroid seems resonable, i mean quad core 2bg ram is pretty good for a credit card computer
16:11 proller U smaller than credit
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16:12 zsoltisawesome thats just damn mind blowing
16:12 proller now will count compile time on odroid
16:14 Exio4 yeah zsoltisawesome
16:14 zsoltisawesome hey, whats a good Linux + Desktop combination to run on a Poweredge 2650: www.dell.com/downloads/global/pr​oducts/pedge/en/2650_specs.pdf‎
16:14 Exio4 it is amazing but 'expensive' vs the rpi
16:15 Exio4 it is like, why buy an i7 xxxK if you'll end having it at 1% most of the time and rarely get over 5% :D
16:15 zsoltisawesome ya
16:16 zsoltisawesome but, its good for cheap techies :D
16:16 proller you cant feel difference i7 vs i3
16:16 proller because i3 enough for ~anything
16:17 zsoltisawesome anyone?
16:19 zsoltisawesome how fucking hilarious: http://www.amazon.com/Dell-PowerEdg​e-2650-2-8Ghz-5x73GB/dp/B0011FQY1M
16:19 kaeza see also: "640K ought to be enough for anyone"
16:19 zsoltisawesome i got 4 of them for $80
16:21 sfan5 Exio4: my raspi works fine as printer server, torrent server and network fs share
16:23 specing proller: did you disable fluidic dirt?
16:23 proller mobile core i5  4cores : 4m42.736s
16:24 proller specing, do you want it ?
16:25 proller odroid x2:  real    11m8.961s
16:25 Exio4 exactly sfan5
16:26 proller core i7 8cores  : real    1m55.024s
16:26 Exio4 8 threads
16:26 Exio4 not cores.
16:26 Exio4 also
16:26 Exio4 "i7" doesn't say much
16:26 Exio4 it can be first gen and mobile
16:26 Exio4 or last gen and K
16:26 Exio4 or the one that haz six cores
16:27 proller 8 for OS
16:27 specing proller: LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG
16:27 Exio4 8 threads proller
16:27 proller no sense
16:27 Exio4 you have four hyperthreaded cores
16:28 proller if i disable HT i will get /2 performanse
16:28 Exio4 you won't
16:28 proller test it
16:28 Exio4 i did
16:28 proller and&
16:28 proller ?
16:28 proller in real app like ^ compiling
16:28 Exio4 yeah
16:28 Exio4 try it by yourself
16:29 Exio4 hyperthreading only duplicates the stream lines and pipelines, and lets the cpu use unused cpu cycles
16:29 proller show results
16:29 Exio4 even intel itself says the performance increase isn't 2x
16:30 Exio4 and also, 2x performance is impossible
16:30 zsoltisawesome this will trend on twitter! #9001 #itsover9000
16:30 Exio4 because multithreading overhead.
16:30 proller okay, 1.8
16:30 Exio4 cool story
16:30 Exio4 but not real
16:30 Exio4 proller: give me real benchmarks
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16:31 proller sysbench ~1.8 faster
16:31 Exio4 links, please?
16:31 Exio4 also, what tests there?
16:31 proller cpu
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16:32 Exio4 http://blog.stuffedcow.net/2011​/08/hyperthreading-performance/
16:32 Exio4 proller: ALU? FPU?
16:32 Exio4 http://blog.stuffedcow.net/wp-conten​t/uploads/2011/08/thread-scaling.png this
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16:33 Exio4 hyperthreading is good for IO-bound tasks
16:33 Exio4 in real power terms, it isn't that good
16:34 specing I think I found a big red
16:34 xyz so what's the use for RPi?
16:34 specing fireball  + fire everywhere
16:34 proller specing, its top lava spring
16:34 Exio4 xyz: education purposes, learning programming with a super-cheap box, printer server / torrent server / network fs share
16:35 iqualfragile specing: i think you meant dm
16:35 proller pi unusable for any purposes
16:35 Exio4 yeah, it is unusable for watching 4k movies
16:36 Exio4 do you want me to repeat what i said since you started saying the same bullshit over and over?
16:36 zsoltisawesome proller: pi is very usable
16:36 xyz Exio4: wait, why do you need it to learn to program?
16:36 xyz I somehow managed to do that without any raspberries
16:36 iqualfragile xyz: you do not need it
16:37 Exio4 xyz: give 4000 rapis to students, or 4000 odroid
16:37 Exio4 rapis doesn't that nice
16:37 Exio4 rpis, there!
16:37 iqualfragile but usualy people do not have linux on their main computers
16:37 xyz Exio4: I don't understand
16:37 xyz Exio4: if you're giving rpis to students
16:37 xyz then they probably already own a PC
16:37 zsoltisawesome iqualfragile: NO SHIT
16:38 xyz so what is it for?
16:38 iqualfragile so if they have that rpi which has linux on it and some gpios starting to program and hardwarehacking is a lot easier
16:38 Exio4 what is the whole point of having arm boards, following what you said?
16:38 zsoltisawesome xyz: Classrom use
16:38 xyz for some hacking
16:38 iqualfragile zsoltisawesome: yes, luckily this channel is a bit off
16:38 xyz not "education"
16:38 Exio4 you can hack with 8bit PICs
16:38 zsoltisawesome iqualfragile: lol
16:38 xyz yes, you can
16:39 xyz but it's easier with a proper linux box
16:39 Exio4 the point of the rpi is having the cheapest-arm-board you can get
16:39 zsoltisawesome i still havent got an answer
16:39 Exio4 i'm not willing to pay 700 ARS for an arm box
16:39 xyz you can just write a server in python to control your lights, and it'll just work
16:39 xyz so it's the cheapiest one?
16:39 xyz hard to believe
16:39 iqualfragile Exio4: whats 700 ARS in real money?
16:39 Exio4 you can get some rough average by /10
16:40 iqualfragile xyz: it has quite a nice price-value ratio
16:40 Exio4 (/10 =~ USD)
16:40 iqualfragile no, real money
16:40 Exio4 ok
16:40 zsoltisawesome "hey, whats a good Linux + Desktop combination to run on a Poweredge 2650: www.dell.com/downloads/global/pr​oducts/pedge/en/2650_specs.pdf‎"
16:40 zsoltisawesome iqualfragile: USD is not real money?
16:40 Exio4 xyz: tell me other ARM board
16:40 Exio4 that is cheaper, less than 25USD, please
16:40 xyz Exio4: I don't know any
16:41 proller for controlling light much better to use arduino nano for 10$
16:41 xyz I'm just saying it's hard to believe
16:41 Exio4 what is the whole point of having intel atom, celeron, sempron, or APUs
16:41 Exio4 if the people can be happy with i7 and FX 8xxx
16:42 Exio4 you get better price/performance with the high end hardware
16:42 Exio4 perf/price, there
16:43 xyz oh, I know
16:43 xyz raspberry pi has CEC
16:43 sfan5 CEC?
16:43 xyz and costs less than pulse-eight's adapter
16:43 xyz too bad it's useless because it's just so damn slow
16:43 iqualfragile sfan5: some hdmi drm i think
16:43 xyz http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=CEC
16:44 xyz drm? no
16:44 xyz hdmi drm is called hdcp
16:44 Exio4 The median improvement for HT is 25%.
16:44 Exio4 based on proller's comments it is 100%
16:44 iqualfragile was cracked recently
16:44 Exio4 nice
16:44 xyz who cares?
16:45 iqualfragile * The median improvement for HT benchmarking perfectly paralisable task is 25%
16:45 iqualfragile and thats why i buy i5s not i7s
16:45 Exio4 the rpi doesn't fit your workflow? you are free to don't use it and be like "zomg it doesnt work 4me!!
16:45 Exio4 "
16:45 xyz hm
16:45 Exio4 i would like to buy an odroid, yeah
16:46 Exio4 my budget is too limited
16:46 Exio4 what should i do
16:46 xyz why are you so aggressive?
16:46 Exio4 xyz: i'm a bit tired of the same BS all the time
16:46 xyz what BS?
16:46 xyz that people tell you RPi is slow?
16:46 xyz it is, don't you agree?
16:46 Exio4 the point of the entry-level hardware
16:46 harrison i deny it!
16:46 Exio4 it is fucking slow
16:46 Exio4 and it is also fucking cheap
16:47 xyz I still don't understand why are you so angry :(
16:47 Exio4 i still love you xyz
16:47 Exio4 where can we meet tonight?
16:47 xyz but that's gay
16:48 Exio4 >:D
16:48 Exio4 i'm still waiting for proller's source for the 100% improvement when enabling HT
16:48 xyz wait, I had a gif somewhere
16:48 iqualfragile Exio4: you need to understand: he is from the 3rd world country russia and they are scared of gays around there
16:49 proller i'm still waiting for Exio4's source for the 25% improvement when enabling HT
16:49 Exio4 i'm from argentina
16:49 Exio4 proller: i posted it
16:49 Exio4 http://blog.stuffedcow.net/2011​/08/hyperthreading-performance/
16:49 iqualfragile Exio4: i am aware of that
16:49 proller no, it not yours
16:50 iqualfragile proller: wtf? i am even suprized that it _has_ 25% improvement do you realy think it gets faster then that?
16:50 iqualfragile tip: there is no actual performance gain, just less switching active processes
16:50 iqualfragile so less performance loss
16:51 Exio4 i'm searching for official intel link
16:51 Exio4 hyperthreading is hardware assisted threading
16:51 proller stop googling, just compile minetest 2 times
16:51 Exio4 my actual cpu isn't an hyperthreaded-one
16:51 Exio4 also, are you taking the cache in account?
16:52 proller make clean; make -j8
16:52 Exio4 my cpu has six cores
16:53 xyz "there's no more performance gain, there's less performance loss"
16:53 Exio4 lol
16:53 Exio4 it is a nice idea for using unused cpu cycles
16:53 xyz Exio4: stop-being-so-gay.gif http://25.media.tumblr.com/6bea9f98ffb9ec06e42d97​2581e7a43d/tumblr_mz6golMmpB1qzqnxxo1_r1_500.gif
16:53 Exio4 yeah
16:53 iqualfragile ah, forgot that they obviously have more registers
16:53 iqualfragile sorry
16:53 iqualfragile so: yes there is a slight improvement
16:53 Exio4 xyz: </3
16:54 iqualfragile Exio4: i meant xyz is from russia
16:54 Exio4 i know
16:54 Exio4 just look at #fm :p
16:55 Exio4 http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/performa​nce-insights-to-intel-hyper-threading-technology
16:55 iqualfragile xyz: what i meant was: using too many active processes on a cpu reduces performance, for a perfectly paralizable task its slower to run it using 8 processes on a 4-core cpu
16:56 iqualfragile ht increases that limit to twice the number of physical cores
16:56 proller specing, dirt disabled ;)
16:56 specing proller: am I in final mountain? or do you still dont know
16:56 iqualfragile thats what i meant with less performance loss
16:56 specing proller: I remebmer you said to go forawrd
16:56 harrison not if it is perfectly ||izable but there are cache misses (main memory accesses)
16:56 xyz iqualfragile: so it's actually faster?
16:57 harrison then ht can switch to another thread which is not waiting for memory
16:57 harrison obv
16:57 iqualfragile if it would be just for that: no
16:57 proller no, you near first WTF demo ;)
16:57 iqualfragile but there is a bit more: the bigger registers speed things up
16:57 specing proller: wat?
16:58 proller go forward!
16:58 iqualfragile if it would be just for that running the benchmark with 4 processes on a 4 core cpu and runing it with 8 on a ht cpu would not make any difference
16:58 specing proller: so if I just go forward, I'll smash to clear?
16:58 Exio4 he is right now, there is a performance improvement in some workloads
16:58 specing proller: at 400 height?
16:58 Exio4 but in multithreading scaling terms... it is plain shit
16:58 proller specing, forward-up
16:58 proller it just begining
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16:59 proller specing, its GOAL: http://forum.freeminer.org/threads/po​st-your-screenshots.9/page-2#post-505
16:59 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
16:59 Exio4 what did Pilz mean? :P
16:59 proller left part not loaded
17:00 Exio4 PilzAdam: hi
17:00 Exio4 :D
17:00 iqualfragile Exio4: mushroom
17:03 Exio4 so, he is a Mushroom called Adam? D:
17:03 Exio4 what is this
17:03 iqualfragile Exio4: nah, not realy
17:03 iqualfragile in the german language you can combine words
17:04 iqualfragile it would be more like mushroom-typed-adam
17:04 iqualfragile it realy not that easy to translate
17:04 Exio4 yeah, german is weird
17:07 xyz > in the german language you can combine words > yeah, german is weird
17:07 xyz shit #minetest says
17:08 specing Is there anything useful I could craft from dirt? I have more than 30x 99 of it
17:08 xyz it's more fun without context!
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17:10 markveidemanis Hello!
17:13 xyz fucking xbmc repo is over 1 GiB in size
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17:29 Exio4 xyz: is the irony too hard to express?
17:30 xyz Exio4: no, for some people it's hard to understand :^)
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17:41 iqualfragile specing: why would you have that much dirt?
17:41 iqualfragile cobble i would understand
17:41 iqualfragile but dirt?
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17:42 proller on roat dirt is flowing
17:43 proller you cant make hole it dirt
17:43 proller it starts fall
17:43 proller you can build only pyramid from dirt
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17:56 PilzAdam quote of the day: "how do we "on" the shaders?"
17:57 kaeza he accidentally his sentence
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18:03 rubenwardy Hi all!
18:04 kaeza hey ruben
18:04 rubenwardy What cha doing?
18:06 kaeza The same thing I do every evening: try to take over the world!
18:07 rubenwardy Yaaay!
18:07 kaeza a.k.a. coding useless shite
18:08 specing iqualfragile: I have more than 2000 cobble ;D
18:09 * rubenwardy might actually play minetest for the first time in 2 months
18:10 rubenwardy not including mod testing
18:13 proller specing, did you reack 7k ?
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18:14 proller you will need all your cobble soon ;)
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18:27 proller wow! new fast result for pi: real    125m32.273s
18:35 specing does ItemStack(itemstring) create an empty item stack or is it created with one element in it?
18:35 specing http://dev.minetest.net/ItemStack
18:35 PilzAdam depends on itemstring
18:35 specing proller: I didn't
18:35 PilzAdam "default:dirt 5" creates a stack with 5 items
18:36 PilzAdam "default:dirt" creates a stack with 1 item
18:36 specing PilzAdam: ah ok
18:36 specing PilzAdam: Im using the itemstring returned from get drops
18:36 specing (working on making you mod less time-consuming)
18:36 specing ^ TNT
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19:06 specing I cannot digest lua
19:06 specing return ItemStack("default:grass_1 "..itemstack:get_count()-(1-ret:get_count()))
19:06 specing ^ works in main repo
19:06 specing print "ejecting "..stack:get_name()
19:06 specing ^ doesen't work in my code
19:12 kahrl specing: try adding () around the arguments to print
19:26 specing Are lua tables pass by value (copy)?
19:27 markveidemanis /seen Rhy5
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19:27 specing and if so, how do I pass them by reference?
19:30 sfan5 pass by ref in lua?
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19:31 xyz no, they aren't copied
19:31 specing well, Im filling the table up third call deep
19:32 specing and then in the main function I get 0 elements
19:33 VanessaE hi
19:37 specing Well, the problem may be somewhere else
19:39 specing Im checkign if table[elem] == nil
19:39 specing and it fails that check, meanign *something* is in there
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19:57 Megaf !seen Lukc
19:57 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen lukc around.
19:58 specing Ok, I give up
19:59 OWNSyouAll Hey the forums are 502 erroring
20:01 specing http://bpaste.net/show/MzhOaZ3HLQl5jRlAY8H9/
20:01 specing why is #drops always 0?
20:01 VanessaE I had a feeling the forums were about to crap out - they've been slow off and on for a couple of days now
20:04 PilzAdam specing, # only counts elements with integers as index
20:04 * VanessaE panics... no forums...no forums... AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
20:04 PilzAdam xyz, forums are down?
20:05 VanessaE PilzAdam: can you rebase the VBO branch please?
20:05 PilzAdam why?
20:06 VanessaE be...cause it doesn't apply (or didn't last time I tried) against current git? :)
20:06 VanessaE hasn't for a while now :(
20:06 PilzAdam the feature is broken and no solutions are found yet
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20:08 VanessaE broken?
20:08 PilzAdam it leaks
20:08 VanessaE never leaked for me
20:09 * VanessaE shrugs
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20:14 VanessaE the performance boost was worth the memory usage.
20:15 Megaf Hi VanessaE
20:15 VanessaE hi
20:15 Megaf what are you talking about?
20:15 VanessaE doesn't matter
20:15 Megaf Ok, I'm sorry
20:15 xyz PilzAdam: yes
20:15 PilzAdam Megaf, when creating an issue, please add the commit hash instead of writing "latest"
20:16 Megaf PilzAdam, Ok
20:16 specing PilzAdam: well ~
20:16 specing PilzAdam: what do?
20:20 xyz every time something goes wrong someone "had a feeling […]" even though everything worked great!
20:23 OWNSyouAll forums look like their back up
20:24 VanessaE xyz: I did report it when I first noticed it.  you seemed disinterested in the report at the time.
20:24 VanessaE glad it's back though
20:27 xyz uhh? when did you report it? did you higlight me?
20:28 VanessaE indeed I did.
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20:29 VanessaE pretty sure I did anyway
20:29 xyz well then next time send me a private message
20:30 VanessaE Jan 10 2014 12:23:48 <VanessaE> xyz: forums seem to be having problems...
20:30 xyz nice
20:30 VanessaE whereupon you advised me to "do research before reporting stuff like that".
20:31 xyz <xyz> no
20:31 xyz <xyz> please do research before reporting stuff like that
20:31 xyz yes, because they weren't down
20:31 xyz anyway, I'm tired of this discussion
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20:31 VanessaE ...
20:31 VanessaE (when did I say they were down?)
20:36 VanessaE wtf is going on with people in this community lately?
20:36 PilzAdam a lot of long standing members seem to lose interest in it?
20:40 VanessaE I can appreciate people losing interest, but I refuse to accept people just plain being nasty.
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21:46 sfan5 xyz|imag1nary: znc is still broken
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22:06 ShadowNinja sfan5: 04<3 Quassel
22:06 sfan5 znc has nothing to do with irc clients (not directly)
22:06 sfan5 also this:
22:06 sfan5 https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=125708#p125708
22:07 ShadowNinja sfan5: Yes, it's a bouncer.  Quassel is a client with a seperated core, which makes it a special bouncer.
22:08 sfan5 ah, ok
22:09 khonkhortisan
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22:10 ShadowNinja ~heart
22:10 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: 04<3
22:10 khonkhortisan ❤♡❣
22:10 ShadowNinja :-)
22:10 khonkhortisan 🂱
22:11 sfan5 <3 MinetestBot
22:11 MinetestBot <3 sfan5
22:14 OWNSyouAll I keep getting bad allocation when trying to use texture packs with alot of mods installed any work around for this?
22:14 ShadowBot http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/0​4/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
22:14 VanessaE add RAM
22:15 VanessaE or close some programs
22:15 VanessaE or add some swap
22:15 VanessaE (page file, whatever your OS calls it)
22:15 OWNSyouAll I have 6gb free
22:15 VanessaE use a 64bit OS then
22:15 OWNSyouAll I'am
22:15 VanessaE build from sources then?
22:16 OWNSyouAll Is the windows build only 32bit?
22:16 VanessaE idk
22:16 khonkhortisan there's a point where adding swap stops helping with freezing
22:16 VanessaE it might be
22:16 VanessaE whose build are you using?
22:17 OWNSyouAll minetest.net
22:17 OWNSyouAll https://github.com/minetest/minetest/rel​eases/download/0.4.9/minetest-0.4.9.zip
22:17 VanessaE try fess's build then, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6745
22:18 VanessaE it's a little newer than the minetest.net build, though it isn't quite at latest git
22:18 VanessaE that one, http://yadi.sk/d/Fj1irx0CFN9zQ
22:25 OWNSyouAll Ok that build used up all my RAM so it appears that one works
22:26 VanessaE good deal
22:27 VanessaE if all your RAM isn't being used, it's being wasted.
22:27 VanessaE (seriously)
22:27 VanessaE RAm must always be used - if not for programs, then for cache or buffers
22:27 VanessaE unused RAM is wasted RAM
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22:34 OWNSyouAll Ram looks like it's peaking at 11 GB GPU is only at 582MB though
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22:40 VanessaE what texture pack are you using?
22:41 OWNSyouAll GPU is up to 1.4GB i'm using HDX
22:41 VanessaE step down to the 256px size then.  That size only takes ~4.2 GB when using my survival server :-)
22:41 VanessaE (at least in Linux)
22:49 khonkhortisan typing 1234567890 four times on the numpad results in 90909090333
22:50 OWNSyouAll khonkhortisan, how high are you right now?
22:50 khonkhortisan I'm never high
22:51 khonkhortisan but keycode.cpp doesn't give me a hint as to why
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23:02 khonkhortisan GUITextInputMenu isn't getting 1 or 7 down because they're caught beforehand as home and end, but it does get keyup for those.
23:04 Hirato time to go SDL2 ?
23:05 Hirato I'd expect them to be caught as home/end/whatever if numlock is off
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23:11 MinetestBot GIT: khonkhortisan commited to minetest/minetest: Allow vertical axis particle rotation constraint 2b1eff7725 2014-01-13T14:34:56-08:00 http://git.io/rssAKQ
23:11 khonkhortisan what?
23:13 ShadowNinja Hopefully the old non-table API dies quickly.  :-)
23:14 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: Now update the dev wiki. :-)
23:16 khonkhortisan particles aren't even on there
23:17 kahrl not particularly good...
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23:21 john_minetest Hello everypony
23:21 VanessaE hi John
23:25 fwilson hi john
23:28 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Add formspec table 8966c16ad2 2014-01-13T15:11:08-08:00 http://git.io/eins2Q
23:39 khonkhortisan I'm not MLP or MOU
23:41 john_minetest khonkhortisan: Are you sure you are not a mirror array used in a gyrotron to focus radiation?
23:42 john_minetest it is late. cya
23:45 khonkhortisan <source> is duplicated when previewing a new wiki page - and it doesn't word wrap
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23:53 khonkhortisan I'm not my little pony nor my own uncle

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