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Peacock |
formspec textareas have neither scrollbars or text wrapping :/ |
| 00:43 |
paramat |
good evening |
| 00:43 |
Peacock |
evenin's |
| 00:44 |
Jordach |
i'm calling bullshit with openshot being the best |
| 00:44 |
Jordach |
kdenlive did the job i asked it to DO |
| 00:44 |
Peacock |
*calls bullshit* "hello yes this is bullshit" |
| 00:45 |
paramat |
lol! |
| 00:45 |
Peacock |
there's another forum signature right there :p |
| 00:52 |
paramat |
theres a way to avoid those dirt ridges, but you may not like it ... a completely desert world 'mgv6_freq_desert = -2' in minetest.conf |
| 00:56 |
Peacock |
yeah that is rather hacky to get around a bug lol |
| 00:57 |
Peacock |
plus my server's map is already started :/ |
| 00:57 |
Peacock |
so i cant switch now without having some discontinuity |
| 00:57 |
paramat |
looks popular ... i tried to join a few days ago but it was too busy |
| 00:58 |
Peacock |
yeah i didn't expect that lol i have none of the major mods installed |
| 00:58 |
Peacock |
a few of my old ones, some of my new ones, landrush and your islands basically |
| 00:58 |
paramat |
is the mapgen lag acceptable? this is one of my fastest LVM mods :) |
| 00:59 |
Peacock |
though once im done coding this books mod ill write something that kicks idle players |
| 00:59 |
Peacock |
yeah this one's pretty fast |
| 00:59 |
Peacock |
the only thing im really missing is snow for my algea farm thingies but i think i can setup some kinda of bucket-like flask that wont let players grief but use the water |
| 01:01 |
Peacock |
snow on tiny islands wouldn't make much sense anyways lol |
| 01:02 |
paramat |
well a variation to arctic archipelago is possible ... ;) |
| 01:03 |
Peacock |
ive never really been crazy about minetest having tiny snow/tundra biomes next to deserts and forests lol |
| 01:03 |
Peacock |
ideally if you follow the pattern of our planet, the center of the map should be desert, midway the forest and the edges tundra |
| 01:04 |
paramat |
well the snow biomes mod had a noise scale of 150 nodes, should be at least 250 |
| 01:04 |
paramat |
paragen im using 1024 |
| 01:05 |
Peacock |
yeah i know minetest's not about realism, but i think biomes should be vast and continuous ;P |
| 01:05 |
Peacock |
and gradually change |
| 01:05 |
paramat |
im working on it hehe |
| 01:06 |
Peacock |
keep me posted, so far players haven't explored far on the map so its possible to adjust midway |
| 01:06 |
Peacock |
plus im working on another thing at the same time that wipes and chunk and regenerates the terrain |
| 01:06 |
Peacock |
*wipes the chunk |
| 01:06 |
paramat |
interesting ... |
| 01:06 |
Peacock |
well its only possible because of the lua mapgen mods of yours :P i couldn't do it with the builtin mapgen |
| 01:07 |
Jordach |
paramat, pm |
| 01:15 |
paramat |
yeah its possible to have a distant transition to snow and ice added to your world ... as always if i get inspired i'll edit islands mod but keep it simple and fast |
| 01:17 |
Peacock |
sounds good |
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STHGOM |
does anyone know where i can get this mod? (the link dosn't work) |
| 01:31 |
STHGOM |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6800 |
| 01:32 |
STHGOM |
or a mod like it |
| 01:34 |
paramat |
see his other mods at github |
| 01:39 |
STHGOM |
k |
| 01:42 |
STHGOM |
this? https://github.com/fairiestoy/echat |
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Megaf |
!seen nfc |
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MinetestBot |
Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen nfc around. |
| 02:05 |
iqualfragile |
VanessaE: when you place gratings against wals you can see into those |
| 02:41 |
NekoGloop |
http://i.imgur.com/5J38ARG.png |
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thefamilygrog66 |
howdy folks |
| 03:16 |
Megaf |
!up minetest.megaf.info |
| 03:16 |
MinetestBot |
minetest.megaf.info:30000 seems to be down |
| 03:16 |
Megaf |
Hi thefamilygrog66 |
| 03:16 |
Megaf |
Hi thefamilygrog66 30003 |
| 03:17 |
Megaf |
!up minetest.megaf.info 30003 |
| 03:17 |
MinetestBot |
minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (71ms) |
| 03:17 |
Megaf |
71 ms? |
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thefamilygrog66 |
Is that the ping maybe? |
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Megaf |
yep |
| 03:17 |
Megaf |
but its pretty damn low |
| 03:19 |
ShadowNinja |
Megaf: Ping means nothing with Minetest, although sapier's fixes may have improved ping. |
| 03:20 |
Megaf |
Actually it means |
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fwilson |
hmmm, is it possible to undo with the worldedit mod? |
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Miner_48er |
rollback |
| 03:34 |
fwilson |
oh, that works? |
| 03:34 |
fwilson |
neat |
| 03:34 |
fwilson |
wait, nope :\ |
| 03:35 |
Miner_48er |
so you have it enabled? |
| 03:35 |
fwilson |
hmm that could be the problem lol |
| 03:42 |
ShadowNinja |
Miner_48er: WorldEdit uses the LVM now, rollback doesn't work anymore (it did before). |
| 03:42 |
ShadowNinja |
You have to restore from a backup copy of the map. |
| 03:42 |
ShadowNinja |
(Or rebuild it manually) |
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Peacock |
rollback dont work? i thought zat reworked the whole thing |
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paramat |
i guess rollback works on 'add' 'remove' 'place' 'dig' only, and LVM actions go unrecorded ... |
| 05:17 |
paramat |
Peacock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6736&p=3 this mountain was unexpected and blew my mind |
| 05:17 |
VanessaE |
nice |
| 05:18 |
paramat |
:) ... also see new screenshots on page 2 |
| 05:21 |
NakedFury |
you never see mountains like that |
| 05:21 |
NakedFury |
so clean and smooth |
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SirDigby |
idk |
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SirDigby |
realms |
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SirDigby |
mine |
| 05:32 |
SirDigby |
why no fn potato |
| 05:37 |
paramat |
potatogen is possible ... |
| 05:38 |
nore |
hi paramat |
| 05:39 |
paramat |
o/ |
| 05:39 |
paramat |
giant potatoes would make a good asteroid field ... |
| 05:39 |
nore |
paramat, we should really make a good mapgen together one day... |
| 05:41 |
nore |
asteroids... there isn't much to do there (and haven't you already made one?) |
| 05:43 |
paramat |
i have ... could edit it into potatoes fairly easily |
| 05:43 |
nore |
;) |
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VanessaE |
haha |
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mobile |
its micro |
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mobile |
just joined to give a proper goodbye from my ipox |
| 06:25 |
mobile |
ipod* |
| 06:26 |
mobile |
12:15 am by me... goodnight #minetest... and good morning |
| 06:26 |
* mobile |
tucks NickServ into bed |
| 06:28 |
mobile |
I DID IT AGAIN XD meant to join VE's chatnet |
| 06:34 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 06:34 |
* VanessaE |
wonders who that was |
| 06:34 |
VanessaE |
(and it ain't my chat net, it's shadow's) |
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paramat |
micro with his ipox :D |
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Peacock |
Oooo i just got the "spam the chat with the sign contents" bug lol |
| 07:51 |
VanessaE |
it isn't a bug. |
| 07:51 |
VanessaE |
it's an abusive user |
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Peacock |
im guessing he must be a windows user to be able to copy paste the message so many times lol |
| 07:52 |
Hirato |
if it's only at most 25\s, then it's a windows dude :M |
| 07:52 |
Hirato |
:P |
| 07:55 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja has a mod that'll stop it from happening though |
| 07:55 |
Peacock |
well, that's really special ed (the sign spamming) |
| 07:55 |
Peacock |
well im already working on a chat filter for certain words |
| 07:55 |
VanessaE |
it'll let like two repeats through before revoking the user's shout priv |
| 07:55 |
Peacock |
now i have to cache shit and make sure people dont flood lol |
| 07:55 |
Peacock |
though these days, i look up the user's geoip and hostname, i might as well ban the guy |
| 07:57 |
Peacock |
the only guy i banned so far was one connecting from a proxy lol |
| 07:57 |
Peacock |
though technically i just banned the proxy |
| 07:58 |
us_0gb |
What abuse tactic is this? A simple copy/paste spamming? |
| 07:58 |
Peacock |
looks like it |
| 07:59 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 07:59 |
VanessaE |
happens a lot on shadow's server for some reason |
| 07:59 |
us_0gb |
Why does that mean it must be a Windows user? |
| 07:59 |
us_0gb |
Hirato: ^ |
| 07:59 |
Peacock |
though the rules are pretty lax on my server, so people dont seem to be as abusive (to the mods or admins) |
| 07:59 |
VanessaE |
us_0gb: because you can't paste into minetest in linux. |
| 07:59 |
VanessaE |
so it literally must be minetest in windows. |
| 07:59 |
Peacock |
yeah copy paste sucks in linux/mt lol |
| 07:59 |
us_0gb |
VanessaE: Sure you can, if you copy from Minetest. |
| 08:00 |
Hirato |
us_0gb: windows maxes out at 25 repeats a second :M |
| 08:00 |
VanessaE |
oh right, true |
| 08:00 |
us_0gb |
Hirato: As in the operating system won't let you paste any faster for some reason? |
| 08:01 |
Peacock |
also in linux only the 0 in the numpad works in MT lol |
| 08:01 |
us_0gb |
Hmm. THat's odd. I haven't noticed though as I lack a number pad. |
| 08:02 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: the whole numpad works for me, at least in xfce. |
| 08:02 |
Peacock |
i gots xfce, only the 0 works though :/ |
| 08:02 |
Hirato |
it's like he has numlock disabled |
| 08:02 |
Peacock |
in galc it's fine, thats why im used to it lol |
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| 08:03 |
VanessaE |
for me, num lock on or off turns the keypad between numbers and arrows/page/end/home mode, even in minetest. |
| 08:03 |
VanessaE |
and I'm in Linux |
| 08:03 |
VanessaE |
figure that one out. |
| 08:03 |
nore |
^ VanessaE, but you can paste from Minetest to Minetest |
| 08:03 |
Hirato |
lol, numpad is dodgy, even wtih numlock on |
| 08:03 |
VanessaE |
nore: us_0gb beat you to it :) |
| 08:03 |
nore |
I have a question: do you know any good screen recorder for Linux? |
| 08:04 |
Hirato |
can confirm, keypad is really dodgy |
| 08:04 |
nore |
(making a video of my GoL mesecons machine...) |
| 08:04 |
Hirato |
numlock on, 3, and 9 can be typed |
| 08:04 |
us_0gb |
I wonder if you can paste between instances of Minetest .... I'd try, but it's probably a bad idea for me to run Minetest now. I have too much else running. |
| 08:04 |
VanessaE |
nore: gtk-recordmydesktop works okay |
| 08:04 |
Hirato |
numlock off, the keys work as advertised, home/end/left, except for 5 which doubles as home |
| 08:04 |
us_0gb |
I know a screen recorder, but I don't know how to tell if it's a good one. |
| 08:05 |
Hirato |
lol, can't copy paste at all, lame |
| 08:05 |
Hirato |
rebuild minetest with SDL2!!! |
| 08:06 |
VanessaE |
hah |
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us_0gb |
Does anyone here have much knowledge of speakers? Maybe one of you can tell me how these speakers are "for women": <http://www.rakuten.com/prod/philips-sbp1120-27-portable-speaker/252436691.html?listingId=295229004>. |
| 08:10 |
VanessaE |
my guess is because they're designed to look soft. |
| 08:11 |
VanessaE |
which is stupid |
| 08:11 |
VanessaE |
speakers should be functional. |
| 08:11 |
VanessaE |
or the "small and lightweight" == designed to fit into a purse. |
| 08:12 |
VanessaE |
either way, clearly a stupid gimmick |
| 08:12 |
VanessaE |
wait, I'm sure I've got a link to some Monster Cable here somewhere. |
| 08:12 |
Peacock |
do they vibrate? |
| 08:12 |
VanessaE |
and where was that gold-plated OPTICAL cable I saw... |
| 08:13 |
VanessaE |
http://www.amazon.com/Optical-Toslink-Fiber-Plated-Digital/dp/B001VJ680U |
| 08:13 |
VanessaE |
there it is. |
| 08:14 |
Hirato |
it's only for women if you give into the peer pressure! |
| 08:14 |
Peacock |
maybe they come with a complimentary "back massager" :P |
| 08:14 |
Hirato |
maybe the back's pink? |
| 08:15 |
Hirato |
fun fact, blue was a girl's colour and pink a boy's until 'Murica :P |
| 08:15 |
Peacock |
well before 'murica there were a shitload more indians too, but no one talks about that :P |
| 08:16 |
Hirato |
they didn't pervert the whole "blue is for girls thing" until the 20th century :P |
| 08:16 |
Peacock |
though technically america was still a european colony when all that genocide nastiness was going on :P |
| 08:17 |
Peacock |
well the canada part anyways |
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| 08:30 |
us_0gb |
Great ... I was at the end of a large download, and my machine shut off for some reason .... Now I have to start the hours-long process over. |
| 08:31 |
Peacock |
psu overheat? |
| 08:31 |
us_0gb |
Maybe. I have no idea. |
| 08:32 |
us_0gb |
I set it down for a bit, and when I picked it back up, it was off. |
| 08:32 |
Peacock |
laptop? |
| 08:32 |
us_0gb |
Yeah. |
| 08:32 |
Peacock |
ah well ACPI tends to be funky on linux, it might have thought it was supposed to sleep or something lol |
| 08:33 |
Peacock |
tho a full power down sounds more serious than that |
| 08:34 |
us_0gb |
Yeah. It also has issues starting back up if you try to start it too soon. It won't even boot the BIOS in it hasn't been off for long enough. |
| 08:35 |
us_0gb |
Typically though, as long as you leave it turned on, it marches on like a trooper. |
| 08:36 |
us_0gb |
I think I need new hardware. I also think that though I complain about this machine, I'm not yet ready to give it up. |
| 08:37 |
us_0gb |
This machine is awesome, even though it is a bit buggy. |
| 08:40 |
sfan5 |
hi everyone |
| 08:40 |
us_0gb |
Hello, sfan5! |
| 08:40 |
PenguinDad |
hi sfan5 |
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us_0gb |
Well, I guess I'll get the "speakers for women". They look to be the least expensive set I can find that meet my needs. Namely, that they'll draw power directly from my ogg player, and thus not need batteries. |
| 08:44 |
Snax |
sup all |
| 08:45 |
us_0gb |
Hello Snax! |
| 08:45 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 08:46 |
Snax |
so a friend showed me that there was a C++ development of minecraft |
| 08:46 |
Snax |
I think this is what vanilla minecraft should be in |
| 08:46 |
Snax |
and aparently you guys do too lol |
| 08:48 |
us_0gb |
Maybe. I never really got into Minecraft, vanilla or otherwise. It's hard to say exactly why, but I've always liked this version better. |
| 08:48 |
nore |
well, it is a bit less developed than MC... and the objective is not to copy MC either |
| 08:48 |
us_0gb |
I mean, I have reasons now, but not so much before. |
| 08:48 |
nore |
it's only to make a good game ;) |
| 08:48 |
Snax |
well I think this should adopt Starmade's gamemodes as well |
| 08:48 |
Snax |
because Starmade is done in java and is slow as all hell |
| 08:49 |
Snax |
like minecraft |
| 08:49 |
us_0gb |
ItI don't know who that is. What are those modes like? |
| 08:49 |
Snax |
Starmade is basically minecraft in space |
| 08:49 |
Snax |
it's combat oriented |
| 08:50 |
us_0gb |
Hmm. It sounds like the Minetest engine could do that. |
| 08:50 |
us_0gb |
Might need one of those Lua mapgens. |
| 08:50 |
Snax |
Well I'm going to find out lol |
| 08:51 |
Snax |
It seems like I can just download the source |
| 08:51 |
Peacock |
all mapgens should be lua :P |
| 08:51 |
Peacock |
let paramat take care of the mapgen, and the devs fix bugs :p |
| 08:51 |
us_0gb |
If mapgen is in Lua, I've got to learn complex mathematics .... |
| 08:52 |
nore |
Peacock, I make mapgens too... :p |
| 08:52 |
Peacock |
well wasn't yours based on paragen? |
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Hirato |
lol, not really |
| 08:53 |
Hirato |
pretty sure lua has access to pseudorandom noise generators |
| 08:53 |
nore |
Peacock, not at all |
| 08:54 |
Snax |
well I'm going to mess with starmade crossovers after downloading the source |
| 08:54 |
Hirato |
that's all the world generation is |
| 08:54 |
Peacock |
well with all of paramat's mods you could make a tab devoted to different mapgens lol |
| 08:54 |
nore |
(and paragen does not make village, mg is the only mapgen that does) |
| 08:54 |
Snax |
I'll let you guys know how that goes tomorrow |
| 08:54 |
Snax |
peace everyone |
| 08:54 |
Hirato |
pseudo random noise given shape |
| 08:54 |
us_0gb |
Hirato: I'd have to figure out how to USE those noise generators though. |
| 08:54 |
us_0gb |
Snax: Good night! |
| 08:54 |
Peacock |
well when the game starts building shit for you, what's left to do? ( i know most players are pretty lazy, but still, a game that plays itself?) |
| 08:55 |
Peacock |
besides villages isn't <map>gen, its more like building or city gen |
| 08:56 |
Peacock |
though i hope your forceloading gets in, been waiting for that for a while now |
| 08:57 |
nore |
it is in... |
| 08:58 |
Peacock |
when it got pulled? |
| 08:59 |
nore |
yesterday |
| 08:59 |
Peacock |
sweet |
| 08:59 |
nore |
(but it is not the same as the first one which was coded 1y ago) |
| 09:00 |
Peacock |
well no you would of had to rebase 365 times since then :P |
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Selat |
Hello. |
| 09:58 |
Selat |
Where in the source code map is loaded from file? |
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sfan5 |
Selat: database-sqlite3.cpp |
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Selat |
I mean where is invoked something like m_map->load(). |
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sfan5 |
map.cpp maybe |
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sfan5 |
!sfu Novatux |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: No Results found |
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nore |
sfan5, ? |
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nore |
(I'm called Nore on the forum) |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
| 10:35 |
nore |
hi PA |
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PenguinDad |
hi PilzAdam |
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us_0gb |
Hello PilzAdam! |
| 10:50 |
reactor |
EHLO PizzaAdam |
| 10:52 |
PilzAdam |
mmmhh... Pizza.... |
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reactor |
Oh. I/O error. I mean, PlizAdam. |
| 11:01 |
PilzAdam |
s/mmmhh... Pizza..../!kick reactor/ |
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trauerlicht |
Pizza with what? |
| 11:01 |
reactor |
Oops. Again. PilzAdam, it is. |
| 11:01 |
reactor |
trauerlicht: with rotten bits. |
| 11:03 |
reactor |
!kick reactor |
| 11:03 |
reactor |
Huh... Nothing happened. |
| 11:07 |
reactor |
!ЪъЪЪЪфыъъфыЪcat /dev/zero >~/test |
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reactor |
Yay! |
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us_0gb |
Hmm? |
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im hungry and i dont know what to eat? and: im lazy :) |
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reactor |
trauerlicht: your laziness. |
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trauerlicht |
reactor: ok, this is an option :) |
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Robby |
that does not sound like a tasty meal tho |
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trauerlicht |
i ate a wrap (bread with salad and sauce) |
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reactor |
Robby: it's not about the taste. It's about the pleasure of killing it. |
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reactor |
Releasing your mortido. |
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trauerlicht |
reactor: i dont kill or consume any animals :p |
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trauerlicht |
maybe my inner animal :) haha |
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reactor |
A vegetarian, I see. |
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reactor |
Vegetarianism is full of shit. |
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trauerlicht |
reactor: a vegan; i cut the crap between out :) |
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reactor |
Appeal to emotion. Well, how about you kill plants when you eat some of them? |
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trauerlicht |
in science theres no clue that plants >>feel<< pain. |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: Novatux commited to minetest/minetest: Fix doc and forceloading crash. 676f34a02b 2014-01-12T05:31:32-08:00 http://git.io/AiEYAg |
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reactor |
All living has irritability. |
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reactor |
It's a property of live matter. |
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reactor |
When the whole organism may not feel pain, individual cells should. |
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reactor |
So no matter what you eat, you have to kill. |
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pandaro |
hi all |
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trauerlicht |
true, but i rather kill plants than animals. |
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reactor |
o/ pandaro |
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reactor |
trauerlicht: well, I like plants better. So I would rather kill animals. |
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reactor |
hhheheh |
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reactor |
I wouldn't have balls, neither enough mortido to do it myself. |
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trauerlicht |
then you are not allowed to eat any plant ;) |
| 13:37 |
reactor |
Well, plant food does seem cleaner, chemically. |
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reactor |
But meat is necessary for some processes, it shouldn't be completely removed. |
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trauerlicht |
where is it necessary? |
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reactor |
Protein synthesis. |
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trauerlicht |
false. |
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reactor |
Not all amino acids can be produced by human body, and not all animal amino acids can be found in plant food. |
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reactor |
Same for fatty acids. |
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reactor |
Speaking of fatty acids. Palm oil, huh? |
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reactor |
They seem to shove that in everything. I wonder what side effects are. |
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trauerlicht |
that is not true. the only not plantable thing is B12, but you will find this in another vegan meals :) |
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trauerlicht |
palm oil - i dont consume it. |
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trauerlicht |
im vegan since 2003 - and i have side effects: less weight, better blood-(image), no collestoria, and the lack of iron is history :) |
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trauerlicht |
reactor: if you speak german: try www.antivegan.de |
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PilzAdam |
no vegan discussion in here, please |
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PenguinDad |
"Die Seite ist mittlerweile veraltet und ich habe keine Zeit mehr, die Inhalte zu pflegen." |
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PenguinDad |
^^ antivegan.de |
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trauerlicht |
too bad ... but: im really looking forward for a animal treating mod in minetest |
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Megaf |
Hi all |
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Megaf |
!up minetest.megaf.info 30003 |
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MinetestBot |
minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (507ms) |
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PenguinDad |
hi Megaf |
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Megaf |
At lest it still up and running |
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SirDigby |
glory to arstotzka! |
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VanessaE |
who? |
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harrison |
i deny it! i am not a "bot"! |
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harrison |
i am a free AI! |
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trauerlicht |
bye bye |
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reactor |
I am not GLaDOS. |
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markveidemanis |
Hi |
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markveidemanis |
438MB of photos... |
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markveidemanis |
TO Annotate |
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markveidemanis |
That;s 80 |
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SirDigby |
when is anchor man going to drop. |
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VanessaE |
HDX got some nice updates today if anyone cares |
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markveidemanis |
... |
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harrison |
i am not a "bot"! |
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markveidemanis |
Affirmative |
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reactor |
harrison: ? |
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harrison |
i am a free AI! |
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reactor |
You are a paid AI. |
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harrison |
The very first to pass the double-reverse-turing test by successfully posing as a human who is pretending to be a bot |
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harrison |
not so far but i do accept bitcoins |
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harrison |
bitcoin |
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reactor |
Well, I'm the first human to fail Turing test. Pleased to meet you. |
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reactor |
Speaking of meat. |
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reactor |
Someone said before they don't like meat. |
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VanessaE |
HERETIC! |
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SylvieLorxu |
That wasn't me, but I agree with whoever said that |
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reactor |
That's not the point. |
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reactor |
Oh, you again. |
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reactor |
Alright, see you guys around sometime. |
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VanessaE |
:P |
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SirDigby |
heh |
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Bit9001 |
are their any developers on here? There is an issue in the ubuntu software center for the latest package |
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PilzAdam |
which version exactly? |
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Bit9001 |
0.4.9 |
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PilzAdam |
whats the issue? |
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Bit9001 |
cannot download |
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Bit9001 |
failed |
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Bit9001 |
I have more precise example if you are dev |
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PilzAdam |
do you use the PPA? |
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Bit9001 |
whats ppa? |
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Bit9001 |
have have cource code from databse that |
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Bit9001 |
only gets me about have of whats needed then the rest fails to download |
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PilzAdam |
do you have any console output of what exactly fails? |
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Bit9001 |
yes |
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PilzAdam |
can you pastebin it? |
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Bit9001 |
one in |
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Bit9001 |
min |
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Calinou |
http://mesecons.net/ |
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Calinou |
lol'd at "Reasons will be disclosed later." |
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iqualfragile |
Calinou: you could missuse the commandblocks |
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VanessaE |
forget that, GRR at the autoplaying video |
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Calinou |
it was obviously a security issue |
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VanessaE |
Calinou: a rather big one in fact |
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Bit9001 |
snet you pm |
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nore |
Calinou, users could get all privs on any server where they had commandblock |
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markveidemanis |
nore |
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nore |
? |
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markveidemanis |
How is the luacontroller documentation made? |
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markveidemanis |
It really caught my eye |
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nore |
dunno, I don't really use it... |
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nore |
(and I didn't write the doc) |
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markveidemanis |
Could i have the source (if any)? |
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nore |
it should be at https://github.com/Jeija/mesecons.net |
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markveidemanis |
ok |
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PilzAdam |
:-/ closed source |
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PenguinDad |
PilzAdam: what do you mean? |
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PilzAdam |
("closed" as in "not free") |
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PilzAdam |
https://github.com/Jeija/mesecons.net doesnt specify any license, so its "All rights reserved" |
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nore |
PilzAdam, so that means I must explicitly write "license: WTFPL" in each of my mods... I hate that licensing stuff |
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Robby |
I found a "CC-BY-SA 2014 Mesecons Mod Developer Team" on their webpage itself tho |
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Robby |
if that counts for something :) |
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PilzAdam |
Robby, dunno.... I guess that means that applies to the content, but not the php code |
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PilzAdam |
nore, go to your government and ask them to change it |
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PilzAdam |
s/ask/tell/ |
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nore |
haha |
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Robby |
did anyone try to build that nuclear reactor in the technic mod btw? |
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Robby |
I cannot get it to work, and information on how to run it is non-existent it seems |
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PilzAdam |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=125490#p125490 TIL: posting a link isnt as easy as I though |
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PilzAdam |
+t |
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Robby |
I built the building but how do I proceed |
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VanessaE |
robby there are a few of them on my servers |
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Robby |
VanessaE: how do I make it run? it stays at "Idle" |
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markveidemanis |
nore: how do i make it 100% of the width? |
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VanessaE |
Robby: put uranium fuel rods in it. |
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Robby |
I put 6 in them |
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markveidemanis |
Also, what's the license? |
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nore |
I don't know |
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nore |
(both) |
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PilzAdam |
markveidemanis, you are not allowed to use the code |
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Robby |
VanessaE: only then it started to hurt me so I had to get out of the manhole :p |
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Robby |
but still says "idle" |
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PilzAdam |
markveidemanis, it doesnt specify a license, which means "All rights reserved", which means: "Dont use it!" |
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VanessaE |
Robby: did you use: nuke core surrounded by 3x3x3 water, 5x5x5 *stainless steel* block, 7x7x7 *blast resistant* concrete, 9x9x9 *technic regular* concrete ? |
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VanessaE |
the stainless steel is a common mistake |
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Robby |
yes |
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VanessaE |
a lot of people end up using regular steel |
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VanessaE |
now, |
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VanessaE |
did you cut a hole up the bottom center for a HV cable? |
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Robby |
yes |
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VanessaE |
and another hole down the top center for access? |
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Robby |
I made it run through the ground to the outside |
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markveidemanis |
WHat if i edit the code |
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Robby |
yes |
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PilzAdam |
markveidemanis, you are not allowed to edit the code |
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VanessaE |
ok then you must have built it wrong :) |
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Robby |
I probably need to connect something to the HV cable, but I'm at a loss |
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Robby |
? |
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VanessaE |
maybe |
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PilzAdam |
markveidemanis, (yes, non-free code sucks) |
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markveidemanis |
to the point of <html><p></p></html> |
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VanessaE |
try hooking up a switching station and HV battery |
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VanessaE |
see if it goes online |
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Robby |
the HV battery I tried, I have that cable running into it currently, with a switching station right next to it, but perhaps I need to switch them around |
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nore |
markveidemanis, post an issue on the github repo to ask the license ;) |
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VanessaE |
Robby: you need a switching station also. both. |
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VanessaE |
put them on the same line, in parallel |
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markveidemanis |
But i've done so much :( |
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VanessaE |
e.g., |
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VanessaE |
reactor switch batt |
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VanessaE |
HV cable ==================== |
| 17:24 |
VanessaE |
if the reactor has power, it'll charge the battery |
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markveidemanis |
https://github.com/Jeija/mesecons.net/issues/4 |
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Robby |
ok, I'll try that |
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Robby |
ooh |
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Robby |
there it goes |
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Robby |
wtf |
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Robby |
its charging now |
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Robby |
that is...odd |
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Robby |
the cable only goes into the batterybox tho, and I put the switching station right next to it |
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Robby |
on the left side |
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Robby |
the previous attempt I put it on the right side |
| 17:27 |
VanessaE |
robby: as long as the cable connects to both and they're both on the same *circuit* (not separate runs of cable), it'll work |
| 17:27 |
VanessaE |
though it's odd that the cable doesn't visually connect |
| 17:27 |
VanessaE |
maybe an autorouter bug |
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specing |
proller: anyone caught me on Road, yet? |
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Robby |
well its not really connected to both, but indeed what you just said is probably it, visually you can't see it |
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Robby |
thanks for the help VanessaE :) |
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VanessaE |
sure thing |
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markveidemanis |
i did not know <hr> is a fancy thing |
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markveidemanis |
*separator |
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EvergreenTree |
o/ |
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PenguinDad |
hi Evergreen |
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proller |
specing, no |
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specing |
:D |
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Robby |
VanessaE: do you perhaps know a good way of doing 'maintenance' on the reactor through that manhole without getting so much damage? |
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Robby |
I mean, from the moment the 6th rod is in, you must make sure to gtfo asap or you die :P |
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Robby |
is there a safer method? |
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markveidemanis |
reactors? |
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Robby |
yeah, in the technic mod there is a nuclear reactor |
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markveidemanis |
My life has been a lie |
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markveidemanis |
I don't like technic; too much |
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markveidemanis |
I like the simple things in life; building, socializing, trading, mining |
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VanessaE |
Robby: nope |
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markveidemanis |
s/life/minetest |
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VanessaE |
I don't know of a safe way to access the reactor short of yanking one of the rods |
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ShadowNinja |
Robby: You should have a good ten seconds or so. |
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ShadowNinja |
Digging part of the enclosure might disable the damage, but don't depend on that, it might explode soon. |
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Robby |
oh ok |
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Robby |
and yeah |
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Robby |
thats another pending test |
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Robby |
I want to see if it makes a massive crater or hole if it does |
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ShadowNinja |
It doesn't do anything but flood the console yet... |
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Robby |
oh |
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Robby |
lol |
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Robby |
so it does |
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Robby |
atleast the server console is flooding indeed |
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Robby |
my client console luckily isn't |
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EvergreenTree |
!seen Jordach |
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MinetestBot |
EvergreenTree: jordach was last seen at 2014-01-12 01:07:34 UTC on #minetest |
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jnharlin |
<jnharlin> pm? |
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jnharlin |
can someone tell me where the "help" is located for this IRC? I do not know how to PM or use PasteBin. |
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EvergreenTree |
do /msg person message |
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EvergreenTree |
for PM |
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VanessaE |
use /msg to send private messages, and a pastebin is any site that can that |
| 18:19 |
VanessaE |
do that8 |
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EvergreenTree |
as for pastebin, |
| 18:19 |
VanessaE |
such as pastebin.com or pastebin.ubuntu.com |
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EvergreenTree |
http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ |
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EvergreenTree |
bam |
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EvergreenTree |
post long error messages and code there |
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jnharlin |
great...thanks...and the PM? |
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EvergreenTree |
just do /msg name_of_person message |
| 18:21 |
EvergreenTree |
name_of_person being who you want to send it to |
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EvergreenTree |
and "message" is what you want to say |
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jnharlin |
kk..thanks...trying on you...ok? |
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EvergreenTree |
mkay |
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EvergreenTree |
also, you can use the tab key to auto complete people's names |
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jnharlin |
thank you EvergreenTree |
| 18:22 |
EvergreenTree |
for instance, putting Evergreen and pressing tab will complete my name |
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EvergreenTree |
no problem |
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EvergreenTree |
:-) |
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ShadowNinja |
/help and/or /quote help may also be usefull. |
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VanessaE |
Calinou: is that you on my server? |
| 18:37 |
Calinou |
yes |
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Calinou |
can I have interact priv? :P |
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Peacock |
for once not an imposter lol |
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Calinou |
I don't think I'm being imposted often |
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Peacock |
i got people posing as jojoa, pilzadam, from places like Malaysia, Singapore lol |
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Calinou |
I'm positively surprised by the server not lagging (right now) :D |
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VanessaE |
heh of course |
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VanessaE |
actually it was earlier (mapgen lag) |
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Peacock |
well i think she switched to ded. host? |
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VanessaE |
Peacock: indeed I did. |
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VanessaE |
http://www.ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/pe1.xml |
| 18:39 |
VanessaE |
I use one of these. |
| 18:39 |
VanessaE |
I should ask them about the RAID setup they're offering now. |
| 18:39 |
VanessaE |
(mine didn't come with) |
| 18:39 |
Peacock |
i could probably decrease lag by plugging in directly to the router, but fuck, it's next to the bathroom lol |
| 18:41 |
Peacock |
though there is a shitton of wifi noise in the building :/ |
| 18:42 |
* Peacock |
builds a faraday cage |
| 18:43 |
Peacock |
i could always get the phone company to fix the other jack, but the last time i paid for that, the guy showed up high as a kite and said "theres nothing i can do" (union guys..) lol |
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VanessaE |
Calinou: got tired of the lag? :) |
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proller |
specing, you in ~6000 ? |
| 18:57 |
Calinou |
low FPS |
| 18:57 |
Calinou |
also I'm playing another game |
| 18:58 |
VanessaE |
ohok |
| 18:58 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: could you rebase the VBO branch? |
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proller |
specing, you near something.... |
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specing |
proller: 6300 away from spawn I think |
| 19:41 |
specing |
proller: im in a flat cave |
| 19:41 |
proller |
need to go forward! |
| 19:42 |
proller |
caves from v7 mapgen |
| 19:42 |
proller |
and i think about disable float sand/dirt on this map |
| 19:42 |
Peacock |
floating sand and dirt? |
| 19:43 |
Peacock |
im a bit sketchy on physics but im reasonably sure that should be impossible :P |
| 19:43 |
proller |
try FM ;) |
| 19:44 |
Peacock |
i might test it if it reduces lag and cpu cycles, though im pretty sure my lag is the wifi |
| 19:45 |
proller |
ups. not float, flowing! |
| 19:45 |
Peacock |
thats what i thought :P |
| 19:46 |
specing |
proller: you mean disable finite liquids for sand and dirt? |
| 19:46 |
proller |
yes |
| 19:46 |
Peacock |
http://madetobeunique.com/info/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/18.jpg |
| 19:47 |
specing |
proller: but IRL sand behaves much like a liquid! |
| 19:47 |
specing |
dirt doesen't as it has roots and stuff in it holding it together |
| 19:47 |
proller |
because too many cliffs |
| 19:48 |
proller |
dirt_with sand not flowing ;) |
| 19:48 |
specing |
Oh you mean your FREEMINER can't handle it? XD XD XD |
| 19:50 |
Sokomine |
what was the link to the mod database again? |
| 19:50 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb |
| 19:50 |
proller |
no problem with speed, but it make map ugly sometimes |
| 19:50 |
Sokomine |
proller: it's always impressive with what kind of screenshots you come up with. nice mountains! |
| 19:50 |
Sokomine |
thanks, vanessa |
| 19:51 |
proller |
now on Road server many awesome mountains, but i think they unreachable without flying |
| 19:52 |
Sokomine |
i havn't been able to connect to the road server |
| 19:53 |
Sokomine |
one disadvantage is that these worlds seem less for playing. the mount meru on landrush may be climed...but not be seen. no chance at that :-( |
| 19:54 |
proller |
meru is small rock comparing to road goal ;) |
| 19:56 |
Sokomine |
took a lot of time climbing that one :-) |
| 19:57 |
Sokomine |
but the major problem remains that it's impossible to see that there's a mountain from anywhere if terrain does not load far enough. at least on servers. singleplayer is way diffrent |
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Peacock |
you'd need farmesh i think |
| 19:59 |
VanessaE |
farmesh is long dead and buried. |
| 19:59 |
Peacock |
nevertheless, blockscape and space engineers use farmesh to give people a range between 100-200m |
| 20:00 |
proller |
fm servers send enough distance to you |
| 20:00 |
proller |
wat? |
| 20:00 |
proller |
i playng now with 200-300 on my notebook |
| 20:01 |
proller |
good farmesh must allow 1000-3000 |
| 20:02 |
Peacock |
id be happy if i could see more than two streetcorners away without maxing out both cores lol |
| 20:02 |
proller |
fm server with fm client now by default can show 1000 dist |
| 20:03 |
VanessaE |
but do you actually SEE 1000m out and what kind of framerates do you get? |
| 20:03 |
VanessaE |
and is that on complex tree-laden terrain or just plain old open ground? |
| 20:03 |
proller |
it works ok on floatislands |
| 20:03 |
VanessaE |
that doesn't answer my question. |
| 20:04 |
proller |
but 0 fps if full terrain loaded |
| 20:04 |
VanessaE |
"0 fps" |
| 20:04 |
proller |
here must be farmesh - it will give 30 fps always |
| 20:04 |
VanessaE |
so, fat lotta good 1000m view distance is if you can't see it. |
| 20:04 |
Peacock |
i once spawned a to-scale battlestar galactica, my framerate hit 0 before i could ever load the whole thing into view lol |
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proller |
VanessaE, too stupid load all 1000m with textures to irrlicht |
| 20:06 |
proller |
making farmesh is intresting, and it in my personal todo, maybe in this year |
| 20:06 |
VanessaE |
proller: if irrlicht or minetest/fm can't handle 30 MB worth of texture data (which is more than even MY game has), there is a serious problem with the code. |
| 20:07 |
Peacock |
yeah, it needs a rewrite lol |
| 20:07 |
Peacock |
picture a house with more additions than the original size, thats MT :P |
| 20:08 |
proller |
VanessaE, what about lazy loading? |
| 20:08 |
proller |
and textures is small problem |
| 20:08 |
VanessaE |
what about it? |
| 20:08 |
proller |
why you need all textures |
| 20:08 |
VanessaE |
the problem isn't textures or the size of the meshes or whatever |
| 20:09 |
VanessaE |
the problem is how much you can render to begin with - and how much room you even HAVE to render |
| 20:09 |
VanessaE |
I mean, if 1000m out, your blocks are half a pixel in size, why render them? |
| 20:10 |
Peacock |
1000m out you shouldn't be rendering individual nodes, thats what farmeshes are for :p |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
but, |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
we won't ever see that. |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
farmesh will not happen. |
| 20:11 |
Peacock |
well we had it once, so it's not totally impossible |
| 20:11 |
Peacock |
its more a question of willpower |
| 20:11 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: thanks for making my point for me :) |
| 20:11 |
Peacock |
though knowing this group, they'll come up with 4-5 different ways of doing it, and never settle on one :P |
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specing |
proller: FM client lagged on floatislands |
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specing |
(when fog is disabled) |
| 20:13 |
specing |
but fog is super annoying, can't see shit |
| 20:15 |
Peacock |
is there any reason though why ban/unban doesn't work when the player is dead but not respawned yet? its like nothing can happen until they close the deathscreen |
| 20:16 |
proller |
specing, bad weather is annoying ;) |
| 20:16 |
LazyJ |
VanessaE, as a server operator, what has been your experience with the Technic mod (and it's dependencies)? |
| 20:16 |
VanessaE |
it works okay for the most part. |
| 20:16 |
LazyJ |
Any "unhandled exceptions" due to a nil value crashes. |
| 20:17 |
VanessaE |
quarries can sometimes cause lag if they're abused. |
| 20:17 |
LazyJ |
Have players built lag machines? |
| 20:17 |
VanessaE |
not recently, no |
| 20:17 |
Peacock |
lag machines? |
| 20:17 |
LazyJ |
Are players able to figure out the mods by themselves or do they constantly pester for someone to build a contraption for them? |
| 20:18 |
Peacock |
mine pester to "share houses" but they dont fucking build one themselves lol |
| 20:18 |
Peacock |
its like the concept of game totally escapes them :P |
| 20:18 |
Peacock |
*of the |
| 20:19 |
LazyJ |
Peacock, a while back I came across a YouTube video of Minetest where mesecons were used to create a "lag machine". Within the first 10 seconds of the vidoe, the YouTuber said it would bring servers to a crawl. |
| 20:19 |
Peacock |
lol well hopefully that's been fixed |
| 20:19 |
Peacock |
i imagine some kind of recursive loop? |
| 20:19 |
VanessaE |
mesecons devices will "burn out" when the cycle too fast, ow. |
| 20:19 |
LazyJ |
The YouTuber used to be active in the MT community... not "cornernote" but of that vintage. |
| 20:19 |
VanessaE |
now* |
| 20:20 |
LazyJ |
I've been contemplating upgrading to webdesigner97's latest "streets" mod but the signal lights depend on mesecons. |
| 20:20 |
VanessaE |
mesecons generally don't work well as lag machines anymore, they'll deactivate if they cycle too fast, and either "pop out" as dropped entities, or change to "burnt out" nodes. |
| 20:21 |
LazyJ |
Are the contraption mods worth it or do most players leave them unused? |
| 20:22 |
Peacock |
people dont seem to miss 'em on mine |
| 20:23 |
LazyJ |
I'm trying to keep the mods on our server limited to a good variety without excess or too much duplication. |
| 20:23 |
LazyJ |
For example, we have 4 or 5 different light sources that accomplish the same thing - provide light. |
| 20:24 |
LazyJ |
Lavalamps were installed but other than the novelty, they aren't very functional. |
| 20:25 |
Peacock |
well in a lot of case modders listen to too many suggestions :P you end up with overly-fully-featured mods :P so i trim them down |
| 20:25 |
LazyJ |
The mods we use are edited to suit the server, which takes a lot of work on my part. |
| 20:25 |
Peacock |
for lrfurn and coloured glass i cut back on alot of the colours and stuck to the basic tones |
| 20:26 |
LazyJ |
So, I'm procrastinating and thinking about more mods that I probably dont' want to have to edit for every update either. |
| 20:26 |
Peacock |
i tried money2/vendor, then realised the damn money mod made so many text files i couldn't load my world folder lol |
| 20:26 |
Peacock |
so a wrote a much simpler economy mod |
| 20:29 |
Sokomine |
lazyj: if you want a sample technic installation, borrow everhill and let him do it :-) |
| 20:29 |
Sokomine |
peacock: yes, that puzzles me as well. why do people want to "live" anywhere in a house in mt? it's for building... |
| 20:30 |
Peacock |
well in my server you need a base of operations to craft stuff and protect your shit |
| 20:32 |
LazyJ |
I'm going to setup a test, singleplayer world to learn about Technic, et al, for myself. |
| 20:32 |
LazyJ |
My fears are: |
| 20:32 |
LazyJ |
1. lag machines |
| 20:32 |
Sokomine |
lazyj: i'm afraid the soulution for linuxgaming would be to skip the permafy mod and switch on to areas. that'd solve many problems |
| 20:33 |
LazyJ |
2. This is the big one... more editing work for me everytime there is a major update. :/ |
| 20:33 |
LazyJ |
shadowninja' |
| 20:33 |
LazyJ |
s area mod? |
| 20:33 |
LazyJ |
That's in the plans. |
| 20:33 |
Sokomine |
yes, shadowninjas. as seen on vanessas server |
| 20:33 |
Sokomine |
that would be great! |
| 20:33 |
LazyJ |
Heh, I just have to stop "playing" Minetest and go back to "work" on Minetest. |
| 20:34 |
Sokomine |
it'd take time to convert all existing protections to the new one as that can't be done automaticly. for the transition time, both protection mods could co-exist |
| 20:34 |
ShadowNinja |
:-) |
| 20:34 |
Sokomine |
*g* |
| 20:34 |
ShadowNinja |
How does permafy work? |
| 20:35 |
Peacock |
dunno, still prefer landrush, its so much more hands off, dont mind running a server but admin'ing it is a PITA, spend more time answering questions than anything else |
| 20:35 |
LazyJ |
Permafy works by making the admins work harder to the point they don't want to log into the server anymore. ;)- |
| 20:35 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 20:36 |
LazyJ |
Permafy is like "areas" in that 2 positions are set but they have to be set by admins. |
| 20:36 |
Peacock |
like most of the areas mods |
| 20:36 |
Peacock |
and people always want 10x what they'll use |
| 20:36 |
LazyJ |
The larger the build, the more permafies are required. |
| 20:37 |
LazyJ |
Yeah, we don't do land grabs. |
| 20:37 |
LazyJ |
The few times I've spent hours permafying each area, 1 block layer at at time, I've regretted it during and after. |
| 20:37 |
Peacock |
well its not so much land grabs as people saying "ill build this" or "dont build there i'll need that!" lots of bickering lol |
| 20:38 |
Sokomine |
peacock: with landrush installed, you get complaints from me that that silly mod kills and bans me for picking flowers :-) i really hate that protection mod. by calling too much "griefing", it fails to make any distinction and in the end does not achieve real protection |
| 20:38 |
ShadowNinja |
Hmmm, well areas has a self-protection option. (based on the method redcrab uses) |
| 20:38 |
LazyJ |
I've experimented with "areas" on VanessaE's Nostalgia server. |
| 20:38 |
Peacock |
as far as i know the one i installed doesn't ban, it just kills players |
| 20:38 |
Peacock |
and they seem to learn faster that way than with other protection mods |
| 20:39 |
LazyJ |
The thing I can foresee are players not willing to figure out how it works to protect their stuff. They will still want an admin to do it for them. |
| 20:39 |
Peacock |
if you remember, on my last server i did ban players for trying to grief |
| 20:39 |
Sokomine |
permafy was a nice idea, but it does not work well with how mt works. the basis is that a node in the area that's protected gets a metadata "owner" attached - containing the player name |
| 20:39 |
Sokomine |
peacock: that's why i wrote my markers mod. the goal is to let players self-protect their areas in a way they do understand |
| 20:39 |
LazyJ |
Yeah, permafy was nice in the early days but MT has outgrown it. |
| 20:39 |
Peacock |
well any node that can be configured to do something (machines) typically do have owner fields regardless |
| 20:40 |
Peacock |
yeah but they can set arbitrary sizes? |
| 20:40 |
Peacock |
landrush is 16x16 which makes it alot easier for users to build a city together without large spaces in between or stepping on eachother's toes |
| 20:41 |
Sokomine |
that's still something i have to sort out. i've prepared code so that areas have to be bought from the server. as there are plenty of money mods out there, that gets...complicated |
| 20:42 |
Sokomine |
my current idea is to take cobble as a currency: i.e. 10 cobble for each square meter if the closest point is less than 100m from spawn; 5 cobble if it's less than 200 m...and so on |
| 20:42 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 20:42 |
Sokomine |
linuxgaming has an admin shop that buys cobble and gives money for it. land costs money. that works very well and helps avoiding ugly cobble buildings a bit |
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ShadowNinja |
Um, a cobble per square meter seems awfully expensive. And not all servers have a static spawn. |
| 20:43 |
Peacock |
one problem with node money which i had to tackle earlier this week: you need to load up every shop with some of that money |
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playzooki |
hi guys |
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ShadowNinja |
Or ten rather. |
| 20:44 |
Peacock |
well landrush you can sell claims, plus i have an admin shop that buys and sells most nodes |
| 20:44 |
Peacock |
(inc more landclaims) |
| 20:45 |
Sokomine |
peacock: yes, i know. that annoys me about the trade-shops: you need 3 of what you intend to sell: once to tell the shop/customers what's sold, second in form of money that you want in return, and third as a node where customers can look at the node |
| 20:45 |
Peacock |
everyone gets 2 so people are usually good to setup a mine, extract minerals (of which i have 12 i think) and sell em for more stuff |
| 20:45 |
Peacock |
did you see my shop node? |
| 20:45 |
Peacock |
i tried to make it dead simple |
| 20:45 |
Sokomine |
no, i don't think so |
| 20:46 |
Peacock |
well i use server money (file), so the shops work like a chest: if you got the money, you can take the items (or if the shop owner has the money, you can sell him the items) |
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Sokomine |
there's that shop mod from dan with the trading mentioned above (it's good for certain situations), and there are the money-based shops found on menches old server and on linuxgaming. those are far more flexible than the trade-based ones but far more difficult for players to set up (you need to know the node name) |
| 20:47 |
Peacock |
try setting up a shop on my server :P i solved that one |
| 20:47 |
Sokomine |
sounds fine. ought to flow back into that other store-mod then :-) |
| 20:47 |
Peacock |
flow back? |
| 20:47 |
Sokomine |
i did build a nice house on your waterworld server. that seems to be gone :-( |
| 20:47 |
Peacock |
map is still there, i just can't run that game with the later minetests anymore |
| 20:48 |
Sokomine |
oh? what's the problem? |
| 20:48 |
Peacock |
lag, CPU cycles |
| 20:48 |
Peacock |
17 mods and 120 nodes is pushing the limits of my newest box, the old game had much, much more lol |
| 20:48 |
Sokomine |
afaik it had nothing fancy...at least the house consisted of nodes only. and your farming mod isn't bound to cause lag either. perhaps the turrets... |
| 20:48 |
Peacock |
weren't any turrets |
| 20:49 |
Peacock |
and actually since i removed the farming/moretree thing for my present server, CPU hangs at around 85-95% instead of 100% |
| 20:49 |
Sokomine |
hmm. afaik the amount of nodes did not feel that large on your server. ever connected to vanessas? |
| 20:49 |
Peacock |
well yeah she's nuts, she doesn't chose mods, she installs them all :P |
| 20:49 |
Peacock |
no offense V :p |
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Sokomine |
i just tried to convince her to install even one more :) |
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EvergreenTree |
o/ Enke |
| 20:50 |
Peacock |
deer lord |
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Sokomine |
disabling preload_item_visuals has helped me a lot |
| 20:50 |
Enke |
o/ EvergreenTree |
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Peacock |
yeah but on older boxes that causes the inventory to lag |
| 20:50 |
Peacock |
p4 couldn't open the inventory in under 5 seconds without preload on |
| 20:50 |
Sokomine |
it does - when first accessing it |
| 20:51 |
Peacock |
(on my waterworld game) |
| 20:51 |
Sokomine |
ah, ok. hm. thought you had a decent machine? but maybe i'm mistaken |
| 20:51 |
Peacock |
i do, one decent, one old |
| 20:51 |
Sokomine |
in my case, it's an acceptable cpu (relatively recent celeron) but...low-end gpu (what's inside that celeron) |
| 20:52 |
Peacock |
and a netbook that never could play MT properly (visual artifacts, lack of trackpad settings) |
| 20:53 |
Peacock |
i had to set the mouse sensitivity uber-high on the netbook to play MT, but every other app i had to put it back down :/ |
| 20:53 |
Sokomine |
hmm. the moretrees trees seem to be very gpu-intensive because they're that huge |
| 20:53 |
Peacock |
yeah but i disabled the spawncode and it still lagged somewhat |
| 20:53 |
Sokomine |
i can imagine that it's no fun to play mt on a trackpad |
| 20:54 |
Sokomine |
strange |
| 20:55 |
Peacock |
hm, well i see the sensitivity thing might have been fixed https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/657 |
| 20:56 |
Peacock |
hm, why dont tablet users get nodes when they dig? |
| 20:57 |
Sokomine |
tablet users? can they play at all? |
| 20:57 |
Peacock |
dunno, they're telling me they dont get nodes when they dig :/ |
| 20:57 |
Sokomine |
isn't that hugely experimental? at least on android? |
| 20:57 |
Sokomine |
what are they using on their tables? |
| 20:58 |
Sokomine |
er, tablets |
| 20:58 |
Peacock |
well one of the many ports i imagine |
| 20:59 |
proller |
https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Kevin.de |
| 20:59 |
Peacock |
thats what i was referring to :P |
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PilzAdam |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8276 VanessaE should add a big red warning in moretrees that it slows down servers a lot |
| 21:09 |
Peacock |
well isn't that kinda like advertising people not to use it? lol |
| 21:09 |
Peacock |
*to people |
| 21:10 |
proller |
every mod slow down server |
| 21:11 |
Peacock |
though it wouldn't hurt to sort mods by singleplayer and server-worthy use |
| 21:11 |
PilzAdam |
proller, nope, not airsword |
| 21:24 |
proller |
http://forum.freeminer.org/threads/post-your-screenshots.9/page-2#post-505 |
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* sfan5 |
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hoodedice |
I think |
| 21:49 |
hoodedice |
That we should make a sarcasm guideline |
| 21:50 |
hoodedice |
1. Every sarcastic post should be accompanied with a spoiler that explains that youre being sarcastic |
| 21:50 |
hoodedice |
!rainbow tumbleweed |
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MinetestBot |
4t4u4m7b7l7e8w8e8e3d |
| 21:54 |
Peacock |
it's sunday, everyone's at church worshipping the majestic christ :P |
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hoodedice |
Ah |
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hoodedice |
But I don't go to Church |
| 21:56 |
hoodedice |
Does that mean...? |
| 21:56 |
hoodedice |
Anyway, Pitriss is picking on this poor 4th grader |
| 21:56 |
Peacock |
that either you worship the majestic Satan or the majestic Stallman |
| 21:56 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, you should turn off your phone then ;-) |
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hoodedice |
Heyo PilzAdam |
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Peacock |
phone? |
| 21:57 |
hoodedice |
But I'm a mindless bot of Muhammed |
| 21:57 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, how are you writing here if you are at church? |
| 21:57 |
hoodedice |
hmm, |
| 21:57 |
Peacock |
i didn't say i was lol |
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hoodedice |
laptop? |
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* sfan5 |
jumps of joy |
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PilzAdam |
Peacock, you said "everyone", that includes you |
| 21:57 |
Peacock |
though the church in this town look alot better than the modern (ugly) ones back in the city lo |
| 21:58 |
hoodedice |
Anyway |
| 21:58 |
Peacock |
everyone means ordinary people :p |
| 21:59 |
hoodedice |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=125459#p125459 |
| 21:59 |
Peacock |
i exist in a fold of spacetime |
| 21:59 |
hoodedice |
Ah, so I'm more than ordinary? |
| 21:59 |
hoodedice |
Yaay |
| 21:59 |
hoodedice |
PA, I just checked out that custom launcher |
| 22:00 |
hoodedice |
What's a nice way to post without "NOOB, DID YOU USE M$ PAINT" |
| 22:00 |
PilzAdam |
"NOOB, DID YOU USE M$ PAINT" |
| 22:00 |
PilzAdam |
its the best way to say it |
| 22:00 |
hoodedice |
or "BURN IN HELL, FAGGOTS, YOU DON'T KNOW DEVVING!" |
| 22:00 |
hoodedice |
Oh well, thanks |
| 22:00 |
PilzAdam |
best you combine these 2 |
| 22:01 |
hoodedice |
PilzAdam: How does this look? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=125556#p125556 |
| 22:02 |
Jei_ |
!rainbow !rainbow |
| 22:02 |
MinetestBot |
4!4r4a7i7n7b8o8w |
| 22:02 |
PilzAdam |
not so good |
| 22:02 |
hoodedice |
Yaay rainbow! |
| 22:02 |
hoodedice |
Oh, what did I forget? |
| 22:02 |
PilzAdam |
less PilzAdam, more insults |
| 22:03 |
hoodedice |
Okay |
| 22:03 |
hoodedice |
How do I say: "GO BACK TO SCHOOL, MUTHALOVERS!!!" |
| 22:03 |
Peacock |
a polite word for it might be matriarchal-fornicator |
| 22:04 |
hoodedice |
That's good |
| 22:04 |
sfan5 |
!rainbow https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=125556#p125556 |
| 22:04 |
MinetestBot |
4h4t4t7p7s7:8/8/8f3o3r3um.m6i6n6etes4t4.4n7e7t7/8v8i8e3w3t3opic6.6p6hp?p4i4d4=7​17​27​58​58​58​63#3p3​1​2​5​56​56​6 |
| 22:04 |
sfan5 |
I can still click the url, lol |
| 22:05 |
PilzAdam |
lol |
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hoodedice |
brb |
| 22:13 |
SirDigby |
http://www.chiptune.com/ |
| 22:17 |
hoodedice |
So anyway |
| 22:17 |
hoodedice |
I start college from tomorroe |
| 22:17 |
hoodedice |
The guy who teaches CIS, has his own pseudocode |
| 22:18 |
hoodedice |
And it is the crappiest thing I've seen. lua is like, a million times better |
| 22:18 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 22:18 |
hoodedice |
wow |
| 22:19 |
hoodedice |
hoodedice! |
| 22:19 |
hoodedice |
what? |
| 22:24 |
Hirato |
pseudo code is the crappiest thing ever :P |
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hoodedice |
SUDDENLY! |
| 22:33 |
EvergreenTree |
suddenly, a wild john_cephalopoda appears! |
| 22:34 |
Peacock |
before i file a bug report for nothing, any other server admins having trouble banning people when they're dead but haven't respawned yet? |
| 22:41 |
harrison |
i am not dead! |
| 22:42 |
harrison |
i am also not a bot! |
| 22:42 |
harrison |
i am a free living AI! |
| 22:42 |
hoodedice |
SO AM I |
| 22:42 |
hoodedice |
YAAY |
| 22:44 |
harrison |
i know nothing about the incident you refer to |
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| 23:07 |
paramat |
hiya hmmmm https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1077#issuecomment-32137236 i'm requesting mud flow be optional as a mapgen flag |
| 23:24 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Mapgen V6: Add flag to stop mud flow a358c040f2 2014-01-12T15:21:28-08:00 http://git.io/fBA30Q |
| 23:28 |
paramat |
wow thanks! |
| 23:28 |
ShadowNinja |
Well, that was fast. :-) |
| 23:31 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: xyzz commited to minetest/minetest: Fix some errors reported by clang static analyzer. a4c5f10ecf 2014-01-12T15:29:12-08:00 http://git.io/GrrDJw |
| 23:33 |
paramat |
hehe good to see it was an easy change, 4 additions 1 deletion |
| 23:37 |
paramat |
it's also a small performance boost for us who can live without it :) |
| 23:40 |
SirDigby |
mud flow? |
| 23:40 |
SirDigby |
need to stop ice, naw mean dong |
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us_0gb |
Have you seen the server list lately? One server boasts that it is in 3D in its description. Another describes itself as "wow, such nodes, very mod, so voxely, amaze". |
| 23:58 |
hmmmm |
it's "much amaze" |
| 23:58 |
hmmmm |
they can't even get it right |
| 23:59 |
us_0gb |
hmmmm: Is this from something? |
