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00:04 Topic for #minetest is now 0.4.9 is released! | Website: http://minetest.net | Rules: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | Core Devs: #minetest-dev | Servers: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | IRC stats: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html
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00:06 kaeza did you leave your...privates in London?
00:07 Peacock lol that's what it looks like
00:09 Peacock i also had to block all these ppl signing in as admin, it was getting annoying
00:11 EvergreenTree hm, lot's of  netsplits on almost all the channels I'm on
00:16 NekoGloop well of course
00:16 NekoGloop netsplit affects the server
00:16 NekoGloop because it's the loss of connection to one of the server nodes
00:16 NekoGloop happens a lot on freenode.
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00:37 zat Anybody tried this? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/rel​eases/download/0.4.9/minetest-0.4.9.zip
00:37 zat #&%$& sorry I mean: https://github.com/Splizard/minetest-mod-snow
00:38 kaeza what about it?
00:39 zat Is it good, is it bad, is it recommendable, is it stable, good for production, etc...
00:39 kaeza I tested it some time ago. pretty good, but suffered from the entity dupe bug
00:39 kaeza it's good
00:45 proller but it cant melt..
00:46 Peacock i think i still have a copy of my 4seasons crap somewhere, saw it a few days ago
00:46 Peacock though its totally useless to me i use 32px texs
00:47 Darkangel how do u set a Repository from Github?
00:47 Peacock you must travel to Mordor
00:51 Darkangel how does 1 get minetest "Online mod repository" to work in the mods tab?
00:52 kaeza is it not working?
00:53 Darkangel nope when  i click it it shows nothin
00:53 Darkangel or crashes the client like it did resently
00:54 kaeza seems to work OK from here
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00:55 kaeza (0.4.9-dev, Ubuntu Linux)
01:07 ShadowNinja Darkangel: Does your build have CURL support?
01:07 Darkangel i have no clue what that is
01:07 ShadowNinja Darkangel: Where did you get it?
01:08 Darkangel Package manager
01:08 ShadowNinja Darkangel: What distro?
01:08 Darkangel Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
01:08 Darkangel alpha 1
01:09 ShadowNinja They might only have 0.4.8...
01:09 Darkangel they have 4.9 but not 4.9-dev
01:10 ShadowNinja IDK who makes ubuntu packages for the main ppas.
01:10 Darkangel me neather
01:12 ShadowNinja Well, you can grab a build from minetestdevs/stable.
01:12 Darkangel i never been tought how to compile
01:13 ShadowNinja That should have CURL.
01:13 ShadowNinja That's a PPA.
01:14 ShadowNinja apt-add-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable && apt-get update && apt-get install minetest-c55
01:14 ShadowNinja (Or I think that's it, I don't use apt anymore)
01:15 Darkangel kk
01:16 EvergreenTree You may want to learn how to copile things though, especially in linux
01:16 EvergreenTree *compile
01:17 Darkangel where at?
01:17 EvergreenTree There really isn't a
01:17 EvergreenTree "place"
01:18 EvergreenTree to learn it
01:18 EvergreenTree as compiling steps can vary quite a bit
01:18 EvergreenTree !g how to compile on linux
01:18 MinetestBot EvergreenTree: http://www.wikihow.com/Compile-a-Program-in-Linux
01:19 EvergreenTree those instructions don't cover all prgrams
01:19 EvergreenTree look in the INSTALL file for list of commands
01:19 EvergreenTree if there isn't an INSTALL file, look in the README
01:19 ShadowNinja For Minetest it's just "cmake . && make -j5 && make install" after installing dependencies.
01:20 EvergreenTree and to install the dependencies:
01:20 EvergreenTree sudo apt-get install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev libcurl4-gnutls-dev libfreetype6-dev
01:21 EvergreenTree you can use the ppa for minetest though
01:21 EvergreenTree The thing is you may run into some programs which don't have a ppa
01:22 Darkangel kk
01:26 Darkangel in createing a server whats "Seed" for?
01:26 ShadowNinja Darkangel: It's used to randomize the mapgen.
01:26 Darkangel kk
01:27 Darkangel so dont need any thing in that?
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01:33 xyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8224
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01:33 xyz hijacking the thread with OSS software propaganda
01:37 kaeza isn't the first time, and I don't think it will be the last
01:38 Peacock its onpon, what do you expect? ive been trolling him for months lol
01:40 xyz "ive been trolling him"
01:40 xyz you sure it's not the other way?
01:41 Peacock i have to admit it would be a highly sophisticated troll if he didn't believe his own bullshit, but i don't think that's the case here
01:42 Peacock did you see the one about his claiming to defend windows? :P
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01:44 Darkangel windows sucks
01:44 zat You dont say.
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01:45 Peacock regardless of how people feel about windows... :P the best games, work and study software are coded for it
01:47 Darkangel OUYA console any good?
01:48 ShadowNinja I've heard it isn't.  But I haven't used it.
01:48 Darkangel kk
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02:03 blaise I find it highly inapropriate for users on my server to proclaim they they are female and that they want me to be their boyfriend
02:03 blaise and ask to live with me
02:06 blaise 02:03:52: ACTION[ServerThread]: CHAT: <luke4378> come here i have a surprize
02:06 blaise fricken creepers! :P
02:15 fwilson lol :P
02:27 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Revert "Improve (re)spawn, add cache_block_before_spawn and max_spawn_height settings" 0fd5c61c00 2014-01-06T18:25:10-08:00 http://git.io/fshHpg
02:27 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Pass pointed_thing to after_place_node c46574f30f 2014-01-06T18:25:10-08:00 http://git.io/ajRo6g
02:27 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add protection support to auto-rotated nodes 9551f651cb 2014-01-06T18:25:10-08:00 http://git.io/8TRDZw
02:27 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Prevent auto-rotated nodes replacing the nodes they are placed on 811ea6cfc0 2014-01-06T18:25:10-08:00 http://git.io/vCH1pg
02:33 zat Someone knows how I make ice blocks opaque so players cannot see underground caves through them?
02:37 ShadowNinja zat: Try minetest.registered_nodes["de​fault:ice"].use_texture_alpha = false
02:46 zat Thanks for the suggestion ShadowNinja, I will try.
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09:04 sfan5 hi everyone
09:09 PenguinDad hi sfan5
09:09 * sfan5 puts a kitten on PenguinDad's head
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10:22 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Don't lookup node texts in a endless recursion loop 6f661f77a6 2014-01-07T02:15:24-08:00 http://git.io/wec8Dw
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14:12 xyz https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/pull/236#issuecomment-31738937
14:12 xyz here we go again
14:24 pitriss eh why ishould be sending hash to server bad and sending unencrypted plaintext password good? Did I miss something?
14:25 xyz it's not bad
14:25 xyz people should stop pretending they know what is secure and what is not
14:27 pitriss by common sense is better to send hash to server... this can prevent sniffing passwords in raw network traffic.. It doesn't block break In to ingame account (because they obtain whole hash) but still they didn't get your pass, so they are limited to this account only.
14:28 pitriss But yes I'm not security expert and I don't try to be security expert:)
14:28 zash Use SCRAM
14:30 zash http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5802
14:31 xyz zash: pull requests are welcome
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14:31 zash xyz: Teach me C++ and I'll consider it ;P
14:31 sfan5 pitriss: the hashes need to be salted and hashed on the server side again then to prevent someone using the hash to login to other servers
14:31 zash We have Lua code for it tho
14:31 xyz then don't just say "use RANDOMINTERESTINGSTUFFIREADABOUTAWEEKAGO"
14:32 xyz another case of a person pretending to be a security expert ^^^
14:35 xyz should I explain why what sfan5 suggests is wrong?
14:35 zash Not pretending to be a security expert, just familiar with what other protocols use for authentication.
14:35 sfan5 xyz: in which way is what I said wrong?
14:36 xyz alright
14:36 xyz explain how the hell salting and hashing on the server side will prevent me from sniffing your traffic and using the hash to log into other servers
14:36 xyz explain how this solves anything
14:37 sfan5 oh derp
14:37 sfan5 I forgot the hash goes to the server too
14:37 sfan5 this would "solve" looking into the auth.txt file
14:37 sfan5 forget what I said
14:38 zash SCRAM solves these issues. You can store a hash on the server, store a hash on the client and send hashes on the wire.
14:39 zash Capturing on-the-wire hashes doesn't allow someone to log in or get the password easily.
14:40 xyz <xyz> zash: pull requests are welcome
14:42 sfan5 oh that guy again https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8228
14:42 sfan5 !title
14:42 MinetestBot sfan5: Mods under minetest 0.4.9 won&#039;t work. (Page 1) — Bugs and Problems — Minetest Forums
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14:43 sfan5 >MODS UNDER 0.4.9 WON'T WORK AND THERE ARE NO MODS FOR MINETEST 0.4.9!!
14:43 * sfan5 gives sfan5 a beer
14:43 sfan5 lol, wrong button
14:43 NekoGloop then minetest 0.4.9 doesn't exist
14:43 * sfan5 puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head
14:46 PenguinDad maybe because the 0.4.9 milestone isn't finished ;)
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15:33 sfan5 this fu**ing guy!! https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=124895#p124895
15:33 sfan5 he drives me mad
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15:37 xyz kids
15:37 xyz am I right that there's currently no mod which adds 0.3 mobs to the game?
15:38 * sfan5 does not know one
15:38 Hirato_ you'd think that would be one of the mods that would be developed in an official capacity :p
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15:47 rubenwardy c55 made a mod with mobs in, 0.3 style
15:48 xyz where?
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15:51 webdesigner97_ hi
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15:51 webdesigner97_ :O
15:53 fwilson \o
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16:04 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
16:04 recracktor ELO
16:07 PenguinDad hi PilzAdam
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16:10 hoodedice I need feedback on this: http://www.cnet.com/laptops/hp-pavilio​n-dv7-3000eb/4507-3121_7-35276725.html
16:11 hoodedice Specifically the CPU. Ground speed is 1.6 GHz,but claims that it can get to 2.8
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16:17 hoodedice Peacock: http://www.cnet.com/laptops/hp-pavilio​n-dv7-3000eb/4507-3121_7-35276725.html
16:17 Peacock wtf is that? :P
16:18 hoodedice A laptop I'm thinking of buying
16:19 Peacock not free enough, you should buy this: http://hardware-beta.slashdot.org/sto​ry/13/12/19/1856232/free-software-fou​ndation-endorses-a-truly-free-laptop
16:19 Peacock :P
16:19 Peacock 2006, not too shabby XD
16:19 PilzAdam lol, rubenwardy wants to send passwords in plaintext to the server: https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/pull/236#issuecomment-31738937
16:20 Peacock seems legit
16:20 hoodedice lol
16:21 Peacock back in my day, md5 was more than enough for hashing (this was around the time the horseless carriage first appeared)
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16:22 hoodedice I'm getting that shit for $300
16:22 hoodedice Hmm, nVidia 230 looks ok.
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16:28 Peacock can you disable users from enabling full viewing range on your server, does it affect lag?
16:28 Peacock erm, disable = prevent
16:29 sfan5 no you can't
16:30 recracktor Hmm.
16:30 Peacock poop, but it does it cause lag on the server when people(s) have it on?
16:30 recracktor You can't set their draw distance, but you can set the transfer distance, no?
16:31 recracktor I always get complaints about the map being loaded too "lazily".
16:31 Peacock lemme check minetest.conf example for that transfer distance thing, might do the trick
16:31 rubenwardy draw distance shouldnt affect block send distance.
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16:33 Peacock the only thing i see is the one about seeing players at any distance
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16:36 harrison i have thought for a long time that a virtual world like secondlife or opensim with minecraft terrain would be good
16:36 harrison although a raytracer is more interesting to work on than a minecraft block meshing renderer
16:36 harrison or even than a tracer/rasterizer hybrid
16:36 harrison i don't know that anyone besides me has coded a tracer/rasterizer hybrid
16:36 Peacock i always thought it highly ironic they would call it "Second Life", implying their players have a first life to begin with :P
16:37 harrison no ur
16:38 Peacock well i've seen a few news reports on 2nd life when the game was still hot, and thought "those people are nuts" lol
16:39 Peacock course, buying and selling fake land is nothing new, there was activeworlds that had the same approach in the 90s
16:42 recracktor hmm
16:42 recracktor It might be my crappy upload speed, though.
16:42 recracktor 128K/s is not sufficient for a MT server, is it?
16:42 harrison Peacock, SL is not a game
16:43 harrison One can play games in it
16:43 Peacock depends on how many mods and players your server takes
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16:48 rubenwardy brb
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16:53 recracktor Peacock: idk, custom textures, worldedit, mesecons. Max users set to 8.
16:53 proller better with 1
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16:53 Peacock mesecons is some heavy shit, worldedit less so since voxmynips
16:54 hoodedice *voxmynips*
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16:54 hoodedice Hai rubenwardy
16:54 rubenwardy Hi!
16:54 Peacock vanessa's trees are cool, but you might wanna disable the spawning bit
16:55 rubenwardy lol https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8224
16:55 * Jordach sits the idiot card on the table
16:55 hoodedice onpo4 and I go a looooooong way
16:56 hoodedice *onpon4
16:56 hoodedice Or rather, me and his sister
16:56 Peacock how so?
16:56 Peacock well he probably open sourced his sister, so she's been around ;)
16:57 hoodedice http://www.punk-o-matic.net/smf/in​dex.php?topic=381.msg7959#msg7959
16:57 hoodedice Booyah
16:57 hoodedice !
16:58 hoodedice You find the weirdest of people in the weirdest of places
16:58 Peacock you mean on #-dev ? :P
16:58 hoodedice lol
16:59 hoodedice I meant that link I passed, if you didn't see it
16:59 Peacock meh, no fan of religious discussions, we get enough of that on free software lol
16:59 hoodedice lol haha
16:59 rubenwardy there be weird people in #-dev
16:59 Peacock yarr, tis true
17:00 hoodedice But did you read what she posted?
17:00 hoodedice "onpon4 is my brother"
17:00 hoodedice 0.0
17:00 hoodedice O.O
17:00 Peacock naw just saw it was religious and backed off lol
17:00 * Jordach wonders who hoodedice is in that convo
17:00 Jordach >74 pages
17:00 Jordach \o/
17:00 hoodedice hoodedice myself. I joined that forum much later
17:01 hoodedice So, yes,I am on pg 73
17:01 Jordach lol
17:01 hoodedice I could never get myself to post anything after that
17:01 hoodedice SOftware is much easier
17:01 * Jordach has finished a new type of model, but is hiding it
17:01 hoodedice No one gets hurt
17:01 Peacock lol an atheist who places his/her faith in the FSF... i guess some people can't ditch having a belief system, they just shift it to a different platform lol
17:01 hoodedice "Except Rick Stallman"
17:02 rubenwardy ha
17:02 Jordach all hail C55
17:02 rubenwardy Flight Safety Foundation?
17:02 Peacock i was referring to the Cult of Stallman :P
17:02 hoodedice Fighting Silly Feynixes?
17:02 Peacock which kinda reminds me of scientology lol
17:02 hoodedice oh wait,
17:02 kaeza all hail the FSM!
17:03 kaeza also greetings
17:03 Peacock greetings, carbon unit
17:03 recracktor Did anyone say "BDSM"?
17:03 Jordach all hail FreeBDSM
17:03 hoodedice All hail MSC!!!
17:03 * recracktor slaps Jordach.
17:03 Jordach recracktor, fuck me
17:03 hoodedice AKA MS (c)!!
17:03 Jordach i said that right after you did without looking
17:03 hoodedice No Jordach
17:03 Peacock FreeBSD takes care of the bondage, sadism and domination, linux is for the masochists lol
17:04 hoodedice Thy hast been...
17:04 hoodedice ninj'd
17:04 recracktor Peacock: good point.
17:04 Jordach Peacock, with penguins ;)
17:04 hoodedice !g masochist
17:04 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/masochist
17:04 hoodedice Thank you, Bot
17:04 recracktor !g ambivalency
17:04 MinetestBot recracktor: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ambivalency
17:04 recracktor That one is relevant, hoodedice.
17:05 hoodedice No. We are indeed masochists
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17:05 hoodedice We spend hours and hours and then somebody pops up
17:05 hoodedice YOUR MOD SUX IT NO WORKS
17:05 hoodedice or
17:06 hoodedice I MAKE NEW AWESOME 1111 MOD !!!11111ONE
17:06 hoodedice or
17:06 Peacock linux being for masochists is a reference to trying to get help on some distro forums lol
17:06 hoodedice MINECRAFT IS BETTER.
17:06 Peacock and spending hours if not days installing or fixing a broken install :P
17:06 recracktor No, it's a reference to getting some Linux OS to work, Peacock.
17:06 hoodedice ok, cya later g2g peeps
17:06 recracktor o/
17:06 Peacock see my second message :P
17:06 recracktor :_
17:06 recracktor I see*
17:07 recracktor Interestingly, peopleraise eyebrows when they hear someone is using BSD.
17:07 recracktor s/er/e r/
17:07 recracktor When in fact, most things just work out of the box there.
17:08 PilzAdam most things work out of the box on Linux for me
17:08 Peacock well yeah RMS has a hardon for freebsd, according to some mailing list archives lol
17:08 rubenwardy Is that the operating system where a pointy thing moves across the screen when you move the mouse?
17:08 xyz how do I get object id of lua entity?
17:08 recracktor rubenwardy: no, it's the graphical shell.
17:08 Peacock i tried freebsd but i was dismayed the image didn't come with a live session, just a live CLI, and id hate to have to use that in the event of major borkage
17:09 PilzAdam xyz, IIRC there is no way
17:09 xyz awesome
17:09 PilzAdam why do you need it?
17:09 recracktor Peacock: in the event of a major borkage, this is what you're usually left with, on any os.
17:09 * rubenwardy read bondage
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17:10 * rubenwardy is rewriting chatplus
17:10 recracktor bondages are useful if you're disciplining someone, indeed.
17:10 Peacock yeah but with say crunchbang, i can boot up the live session, back up shit or fix configs and shit using graphical editors and file managers :P
17:10 BlockMen hi
17:10 rubenwardy don't worry, it uses the same data structures.
17:10 Peacock when shit breaks you're stressed enough you dont want to have to remember a bunch of CLI kung fu lol
17:10 xyz PilzAdam: I need a way to differentiate lua entities
17:10 Peacock give 'em IDs
17:10 PilzAdam xyz, your own ones?
17:10 PilzAdam in Nodetopia/mobs I have my own ID system
17:10 recracktor well, it is probably built on the assumption the person is familar with the way things are done in text interface.
17:11 xyz yes, I know, I can just add my own ID
17:11 xyz but that's awful
17:11 xyz especially with stuff like "and may be indexed using minetest.luaentities[objectID]"
17:11 xyz in docs
17:11 Peacock well the only other alterntive i guess would be to make a pull so the engine does it
17:11 xyz awesome, it can be indexed, too bad you don't get to know object id
17:11 kaeza xyz, if it's something simple, ent1 ~= ent2 works
17:12 Peacock add_entity returns and objectref, though i guess you could change that to return objectref + object id
17:12 PilzAdam xyz, maybe search in minetest.object_refs for the ID? ;-)
17:13 rubenwardy does  minetest.setting_getbool(name) return nil if the setting does not equate to a boolean?
17:13 xyz kaeza: I need to index stuff in a table
17:14 PilzAdam rubenwardy, it returns nil if the setting isnt set
17:14 rubenwardy what if setting is "asjbas", does it return true, false or nil?
17:14 xyz writing a mobs mod in moonscript to troll people
17:14 kaeza lol
17:14 PilzAdam rubenwardy, false
17:15 PilzAdam ypi cam try it with minetest.is_yes("asjbas")
17:15 PilzAdam -typos
17:15 Peacock lol is_yes
17:15 xyz https://gist.github.com/xyzz/79abb066dd3772ff631d
17:15 Peacock minetest.yes_this_is_dog
17:16 Jordach ohai Exio4
17:16 Exio4 Jordach: :P
17:21 rubenwardy crazy, xyz
17:34 xyz minetest wasn't designed for stuff like taht
17:38 * rubenwardy was trying to debug chatplus, and then realized he hadn't enabled it
17:39 Peacock i tried to update my OS but realized the computer wasn't plugged in :P
17:44 PilzAdam the PPA is updated for 0.4.9 now
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18:01 zat You should make the need to enter a password more obvious. I have dozens of attempts to log in to my server, with empty passwords.
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18:06 xyz http://i.imgur.com/j5i1Zy2.jpg
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18:10 john_minetest Hello everypony
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18:26 rubenwardy Chatplus 0.5 Released -!- https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=124934#p124934
18:27 john_minetest What is with colors in minetest?
18:27 john_minetest Not rebased yet or no proper code?
18:28 rubenwardy Freeminer specific features (coloring) means that i will use freeminer.colorize to color the chat channel (make different players nicks different colors).
18:29 rubenwardy Inspired by chatplusplus
18:29 john_minetest hmmm
18:32 xyz http://new-bamboo.co.uk/blog/2014​/01/07/reflections-on-open-source
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18:33 xyz just read the issue examples if there's too much text for you
18:34 rubenwardy self closers :P
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18:39 Peacock "there comes a point when you probably need to decide whether to recruit helpers, or even stop maintaining it altogether and hand over to others,"
18:39 Peacock which one would you recommend for MT?
18:39 john_minetest Examples and the first, fat printed point are enough to read.
18:40 Peacock well the article highlights problems in the beginning, and proposes solutions at the end, just reading the problems portion doesn't help anything lol
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18:42 john_minetest The only important thing it says is: "Don't let issues build up"
18:43 Inocudom Freeminer needs its own dedicated build maker.
18:43 john_minetest Maybe also "Appreciate contributions" is important. But the rest is blah blah."
18:43 Peacock issues build up regardless, taking on more devs just means more features being added (along with the occasional new bug)
18:43 Peacock unless you specific create a bugfix section and assign someone to it
18:44 rubenwardy 1 feature : 10 bugs
18:45 Peacock lol and judging from the logs, it's frequently "i didn't do that, the other guy did" :P
18:46 Peacock or the world famous "WorksForMe™" :P
18:46 xyz wontfix
18:46 Peacock that too :P
18:47 Calinou xyz, yet another "everything sucks" article
18:47 Calinou but well, that's you...
18:47 xyz i only read issues
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18:48 Peacock calinou if people can't look at OSS critically, then nothing ever gets fixed :p
18:50 Calinou better smoke weed
18:50 Calinou </sarcasm>
18:50 Calinou (and complain at the same time)
18:50 Peacock jordach's department :p
18:51 Inocudom Freeminer had many changes made to it lately. It looks like it needs its own nightly build maker.
18:51 Peacock well its better than pretending something is perfect when it isn't, and advocates misleading people into using solutions not proper to people's needs :P
18:52 Calinou no it isn't
18:52 Peacock though i like the ad hominem about weed lol even though i haven't used the stuff in over a year now ;)
18:53 Calinou good :)
18:53 sapier usually worksforme wontfix and Ididntdothat are useless as the problem is there and has to be fixed no matter who did cause it ;-)
18:54 Peacock except nothing gets done so long as certain people take it on faith that everything works :P
18:55 Peacock you got two groups of oss people, the technical, and the religious :P
18:56 Peacock (religious or moralistic depending how you see it)
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18:59 * EvergreenTree waves branch
18:59 sapier imho if you don't know exactly something works for sure it's usually broken
18:59 * Peacock takes EvergreenTree:apple
18:59 EvergreenTree so I'm an apple tree now?
19:00 EvergreenTree okay
19:00 Peacock i was a little surprised that in 048 the update listener/random teleport bug and failed to allocate player bugs were still there :/
19:00 sapier evergreenappletree ... your name is getting longer and longer
19:01 sapier peacock did you write a issue for them?
19:02 Peacock they've been discussed ad infinitum :P and got <sapier> usually worksforme wontfix and Ididntdothat
19:02 Peacock so i gave up, others are free to try :P
19:03 Peacock but it's usually an uphill problem just proving the problem exists (or getting someone to admit it exists)
19:03 Peacock *uphill battle lol
19:04 sapier I always believe people they have bugs but can't do much about it until they provide a description beeing detailed enough to reproduce it
19:04 Peacock i think even V has given up trying to report some problems lol
19:05 Peacock well where can i find a debug build that will provide all the info you need for that update listener: invalid/teleport random bug?
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19:06 sapier can you try to explain to me what happens?
19:07 * EvergreenTree pokes Jordach
19:07 Jordach o/
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19:07 Peacock lemme get the line out of my log (could take a few mins to load)
19:09 Peacock 21:29:51: ERROR[main]: WARNING: updateListener: invalid value
19:09 Peacock then i get teleported somewhere far off the map where one of the coords is usually e0.<randomnumbers>
19:09 Peacock Ritchie reported the same problem when his brother plays
19:10 Peacock usually happens when ive been digging a lot and start moving
19:10 xyz did you run memtest?
19:10 Peacock no one ever asked me to
19:10 Peacock do i do that while mt is running or do i shutdown?
19:11 xyz yes, chances that your memory is broken are very damn low
19:11 xyz yes, you'll have to reboot, and it also takes a lot of time
19:11 Peacock well this happens on both the old p4 and the new dualcore,
19:12 Ritchie helo, here it happened on old amd athlon xp
19:13 xyz well updateListener error doesn't seem to be related at all
19:13 xyz it's from sound subsystem
19:13 xyz if you think it is related maybe try disabling it?
19:14 Peacock disabling sound? (using ALSA here)
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19:15 DenSpirit Hello. If I download and install all the mods that are used in a particular server, will my connect to this server be faster?
19:15 Peacock disabling updatelistener i wouldn't know how to do
19:16 xyz DenSpirit: no, that'll only work if your cache matches that of server
19:16 xyz Peacock: yes, since updateListener error comes from sound subsystem
19:16 xyz do you really think it's related?
19:17 Peacock im no dev i don't know, i just know the update listener log flood happens at the same time as being flung off the map
19:17 Peacock i do know when i've been playing a long time, all the sounds start echoing (like its played several times)
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19:34 coin_ How do you actually run and play minetest?
19:35 coin_ never mind, I figured it out
19:39 sapier peacock on what os do you play?
19:39 Peacock crunchbang which is mostly just debian wheezy with extras
19:40 Peacock though if memory recalls, it happened on archbang still
19:40 Peacock both had alsa
19:40 Peacock *still = as well
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19:58 EvergreenTree o/
19:59 EvergreenTree Hi Darkangel
19:59 Darkangel hello
19:59 sapier I don't think it's related to sound peacock ... question still is what exactly happens, do you have mods installed?
20:00 Peacock yeah though it happens across different gamepacks
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20:06 rubenwardy is (0 < x < 5) a valid c++ if statement contents?
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20:07 raffahacks hello
20:07 ShadowNinja rubenwardy: Yes, but it might not do what you think it does...
20:07 rubenwardy So it's not a range?
20:07 ShadowNinja (((int)(bool)(0 < x) < 5))
20:08 rubenwardy oh
20:08 rubenwardy so it sees if the result of x<5 is bigger than 0, so basically only returns true is x<5 is true
20:08 ShadowNinja You want (0 < x && x < 5)
20:08 rubenwardy ok
20:09 Broam yeah, C has no *between* operator
20:09 rubenwardy I wrote that anyway, I was just wondering if there is a quicker way
20:09 Broam some variants of SQL do, 's all I know
20:09 xyz python!
20:09 ShadowNinja it checks if the result of 0 < x (boolean, 0 or 1) is less that 5.
20:09 ShadowNinja than*
20:10 Broam ShadowNinja: sometimes compilers will use -1 for true. :D
20:10 xyz https://gist.github.com/xyzz/c70a17afcb37e6aa8865
20:10 Broam implementation-dependent hacks are never a good thing, though. C has no between operator.
20:10 ShadowNinja Broam: Well, regardless, the second will always be one thing.
20:11 xyz Broam: they won't
20:11 xyz because it's a part of standard
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20:11 xyz true is 1, false is 0
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20:11 Broam current compilers, yes.
20:11 Broam back in the wild west days. :D
20:11 xyz death is inevitable
20:12 xyz well, not sure what days are you talking about, but now it's a part of the standard
20:12 xyz how do you like my moonscript shit?
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20:13 rubenwardy bye guys
20:13 xyz compiles to https://gist.github.com/xyzz/4c37e2b3dfe568b2e04d
20:14 rubenwardy|phone (but not really good bye)
20:15 xyz I love how I don't have to write `local` everywhere, and then there are classes, and no need to write `end`, and code blocks have to be indented (python-like)
20:15 xyz overall the syntax is OK
20:17 rubenwardy|phone Does it require a moonscript minetest build to run?
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20:19 xyz no
20:19 xyz no need to modify minetest
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20:19 xyz you just compile it to .lua and that's it
20:22 proller python-like - NOT ok
20:22 rubenwardy|phone http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/beginner/12001/   hiding and showing console window at run time.
20:23 rubenwardy|phone you could add a cmd line param, a chat command on client, or a menu button.
20:23 rubenwardy|phone but proller, python-like is pythonic!
20:24 xyz it seems someone has set up a highlight on "python"
20:25 rubenwardy|phone lol
20:26 xyz rubenwardy|phone: you don't need moonscript'ed minetest to run it because when distributing you just precompile everything
20:27 rubenwardy|phone So you turn moonscript code into lua code?
20:27 xyz yes, that's what moonscript is
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20:29 Inocudom Will there be a new Freeminer build soon?
20:31 PilzAdam thats totally ontopic: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=124943#p124943
20:31 PilzAdam do these people just pick random topics?
20:32 xyz this fucking thread https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8224
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20:37 xyz sfan5: please don't shitpost
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20:49 Peacock lol user asks for help, gets a debate on proprietary compression formats and software, lord in heaven help us lol
20:50 sapier quite normal peacock but we still don't have any idea what really happens in your case
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20:52 Peacock i tried in minetest game, dug for half an hour (though i usually have to play for a couple of hours for it to happen)
20:52 Peacock the only anomaly i noticed in minetest game was that when i died i didn't respawn, and my hearts refilled 5-10 minutes later
20:53 sapier hmm ... strange
20:53 EvergreenTree On some servers I die, but don't respawn and gain all my helath back
20:53 Peacock another weird thing is a bug that was fixed a long time ago: blocks reappearing and disappearing after being dug
20:53 EvergreenTree *health
20:53 EvergreenTree I have no idea why that happens
20:54 Peacock me neither lol
20:54 Peacock might explain why i see sam in the death position moving around my server footstep and all
20:54 sapier peacock thats a lag issue
20:56 rubenwardy|phone I sometimes die and never respawn, just get the health back.
20:56 Peacock yeah the lag is something else, even with 6 players and the lowest number of mods of all the servers, mt gobbles up both cores :/
20:56 Peacock so that's ruben, evergreen and me who die but don't die lol
20:57 sapier client as well as server use a full core that's intended
20:57 Peacock i guess we can call that the jesus-resurrection bug :P
20:57 Jordach Peacock, me too
20:57 Peacock 4 ppl
21:01 xyz you do respawn
21:01 xyz you just don't move to spawnpoint
21:01 Peacock should i be respawning in the same spot? and why the delay for health reload?
21:02 xyz no, that's a bug, of course
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21:12 sfan5 xyz: mhm ok, can moonscript map lines in the lua file back to the moonscript src?
21:16 sapier peacock do I understand correct that you run into this bug after hours of digging only?
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21:23 Peacock after hours of digging/building, and it usually hits when i'm moving too
21:24 sapier that's hard to track down
21:25 Peacock so what should i do, set the debug log level to max?
21:26 Peacock or should i learn to backtrace for the next time it happens
21:26 sapier I don't think this is gonna help much .. in best case you find some way more quick way to run into that bug
21:27 Peacock yeah that could be tricky to track down, it doesn't usually hit in the first hour or two of play
21:27 sapier actually this bug could be almost everything
21:28 Peacock just guessing, maybe some sort of memory corruption, like i said earlier, i also get weird audio echos after several hours of play
21:28 sapier maybe it's a result of broken network sequence numbers, but it could be a random memory corruption too or something completely different
21:28 Peacock like the same sound being played 10 or 20 times at once instead 1x
21:29 Peacock when the log says update lisntner: invalid value etc.., i dont suppose knowing what that invalid value is would help
21:30 Peacock one thing though this bug doesn't crash the game, i simply enable free move, and teleport back
21:31 Peacock (without free move im falling incredibly fast in the void)
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21:39 Peacock hm, perhaps the invalid value log entries is the result of having a fucked up position (infinity on one of the axises)
21:39 Peacock *axes
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22:05 PilzAdam bye
22:11 zat BY Pilz.
22:11 zat Bye*
22:12 zat Seems like someone desperately want to be an Admin...
22:12 zat I have someone trying to log in as Admin every 10 minutes.
22:12 xyz sfan5: moon does that somehow (with stack traces), not sure if it's possible with moonc
22:13 zat moon?
22:17 xyz moon which is a moonscript interpreter
22:21 zat but why am I getting a lot of Admin logins?
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22:30 Peacock zat either some guy with a proxy or collective trolling
22:30 Peacock you got something to block names?
22:49 zat Peacock: I have a list of common names, without password, in auth.txt.
22:51 Peacock not what i meant lol you can tweak noguest or whatever its called to block admin names
23:01 zat oh lol I dont know that
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23:03 Megaf Hi all, before the rollback transition to sqlite I could cat sqlitedb | grep PlayerName | grep ToolName or whatever
23:04 Megaf how do I do that now?
23:04 Megaf I want to see how have a pick_warden
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23:06 zat Megaf: cat sqlitedb????
23:06 Megaf zat, Nope, it doesnt work like that with sqlite dbs
23:06 zat I am asking why you said that, read your first answer.
23:07 zat I think you meant cat rollback.txt.
23:07 zat answer.... question
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23:10 ShadowNinja Megaf: Use sqlite3 rollback.sqlite and run SQL commands.
23:12 ShadowNinja (Eg, SELECT * FROM action WHERE actor=(SELECT id FROM actor WHERE name='player:Megaf');)
23:16 zat Megaf: you know SQL queries?
23:17 Megaf zat, nope
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23:36 zat Megaf: learn SQL first, its actually easy.
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