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00:06 ShadowNinja Peacock: xban Admin False nickname -- Or use on_prejoinplayer like me, VE, kaez, and kizeren use.
00:06 ShadowNinja Er, maybe not kizeren, I'll have to check.
00:06 Peacock i know how to ban the nicks im just wondering why so many people use it :P
00:07 Peacock they get so many questions and are asked to do things they can't do like grant privs
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00:08 Peacock unless its the same person connecting through different proxies or spoofing IPs or something, they all have low pings even in faraway places
00:08 ShadowNinja IDK, I also have a issue where 1/10 of the players on my server flood the chat with the text of signs near spawn repeatedly.
00:09 Peacock thats weird (as well)
00:09 Peacock must be those weird android builds going around
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00:32 zat What when minetest looks like this?: http://uppix.com/f-screens​hot1352c9f99500150b95.png
00:34 Peacock thats the theatre mode feature XD
00:35 ShadowNinja zat: Looks like you linked to OGLES.  Update to latest git.
00:42 zat lol wat
00:42 zat lets see
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00:42 zat lol, its the one in repos on Archlinux ShadowNinja.
00:42 zat lol
00:46 ShadowNinja zat: Yep, that one's broken because of linking to OGLES.  See 'ldd $(which minetest)'
00:47 zat libGLESv2.so.2 => /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so.2 (0x00007fd1f4eff000)
00:51 ShadowNinja Latest git has a ENABLE_GLES option, disabled by default.  Try yaourt -S minetest-git (Or manual compilation)
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00:52 zat I made it manual lol thx
00:53 MinetestBot GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix main menu error message dialog: Now multi-line messages aren't cut at half of second line 86c616a545 2014-01-05T16:37:36-08:00 http://git.io/s8si5Q
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00:59 Expo kaeza
01:00 kaeza ?
01:00 Expo im new to the irc how do u do?
01:00 kaeza fine I guess
01:01 Expo ok am i talking to u only?
01:01 * VanessaE peeks in
01:02 Expo hi VanessaE i finally figured out the irc
01:03 Expo is hunter here?
01:03 ShadowNinja Expo: You may be interested in #minetest@irc.inchra.net too. :-)
01:03 ShadowNinja That's where the servers are.
01:03 Expo ok ill look for it
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01:09 kaeza bbiab
01:21 Expo__ what kaeza "bbiab"?
01:23 VanessaE "be back in a bit"
01:24 zat He must rest for he has an ache in the kaeza.
01:24 VanessaE heh
01:25 zat http://www.myinstants.com/instant/cuek/
01:34 EvergreenTree large blizzard outside
01:34 EvergreenTree I hope the power doesn't go out
01:39 zat When I add a mod that introduces a new kind of mineral, can I expect it to appear in unexplores zones?
01:39 zat unexplored**
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01:54 ShadowNinja zat: Yes, but not in ones that have already beed generated.
01:56 zat ShadowNinja: once I walk over a new block, are all the minerals underground generated as well?
01:56 zat a new zone I mean
01:57 ShadowNinja zat: Yes, when a block is generated all ores are added.
01:58 zat well sure that is not an issue if I install a mod that adds a rare ore
02:11 proller woow! 49 players on one MT server
02:11 proller but you cant move ;_
02:15 Peacock spam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8215
02:16 ShadowNinja kaeza: ^
02:16 ShadowNinja Er, VanessaE maybe.
02:17 zat i see post spam of minetest in the forums of the minetest software sign up participate
02:17 ShadowNinja s/\./?/
02:18 VanessaE killed
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02:28 zat Anybody knows a player called nolan?
02:32 ShadowNinja Yes, he is/was a moderator of ray's server.
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02:32 Peacock i dont get how dead players can keep moving around lol
02:32 Peacock footstep sounds included
02:34 Expo__ hey
02:35 Peacock howdy
02:56 Peacock 100% packet loss (ping) = bad connection?
02:58 zat = !connection
02:59 Peacock well the users connect to my server, but ping is full packet loss, should i kick?
02:59 Peacock (i checked on 3rd party websites, same result)
02:59 ShadowNinja Wait, you're pinging users as they connect?
03:00 Peacock onjoin yeah
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03:00 ShadowNinja Some routers/conputers don't respont to ICMP ping.
03:03 Peacock sucks, theres alot of users who sign in and stand there with the avatar blacked out for hours
03:05 kaeza poll position/controls every few seconds, and kick (ban+unban) if not moving/doing anything for some time like 5 mins or so
03:06 Peacock that could work, was  hoping to avoid the ban/unban thing by using ping and prejoin but i guess thats not possible
03:11 ShadowNinja Using prejoin like that will lock up the server during pinging.
03:13 Peacock forgot about that one thread to rule them all bit lol
03:25 zat Is there a way to enable leveldb for the creation of a world? It is always created with sqlite.
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03:31 ShadowNinja zat: Nope, it's hardcoded in initializeWorld() -- patches welcome. ;-)
03:34 Miner_48er I'ld like to make a bucket priv but I haven't seen any simple way to do that any suggestions?
03:35 zat lol ShadowNinja
03:36 zat ShadowNinja: how has the new rollback gone? I mean, did you get the improvements you asked me about the other day?
03:36 ShadowNinja Miner_48er: Decorate minetest.registered_items["bu​cket:bucket_empty"].on_place
03:37 Miner_48er thx
03:37 ShadowNinja zat: What improvements?
03:37 ShadowNinja (same for water and lava variants)
03:39 zat ShadowNinja: You asked me about field types after you experienced some performance loss
03:41 ShadowNinja zat: Yes, that was a while ago though.  Anyway the docs sat that NUMERIS is identical to INTEGER except when performing casts.
03:41 ShadowNinja said* NUMERIC*
03:42 zat But did you manage to improve?
03:44 ShadowNinja No, I haven't worked on it since then.
03:44 zat Damn, I was expecting it to be as performant as I left it.
03:46 zat uhm, in the code I see all is INTEGER.
03:53 Robby is anyone using Mob Framework (mobf) on multiplayer? I read that it does not ork well on multiplayer servers yet, is that still accurate? and if so, any other mob mod that does work?
03:54 Robby browing the mods pages it looks like its the only mob mod
03:54 kaeza there's also simple mobs
03:55 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3063
03:56 Robby ah, great, thank you
03:57 kaeza it's not as demanding as MOBF, but then, the mobs aren't as smart ;)
03:57 zat kaeza: which one you think that is less cpu intensive?
03:58 kaeza zat, see above :P
03:58 ShadowNinja zat: One is TIMESTAMP, which is a NUMERIC type to SQLite.
04:00 zat lol kaeza
04:00 Peacock well you dont want mobs that are smarter than the players :/
04:01 zat ok I am changing it for my build then ShadowNinja rofl
04:01 Peacock in MC, players build shit and defend against mobs, in MT, the game builds shit and defends against players :P
04:02 * kaeza 's "healer" mob alone is more demanding than an army of vombies
04:02 kaeza (unreleased [yet])
04:02 zat I would like to be able to enable mobs and be sure that it wont kill my server
04:05 ShadowNinja Maybe after the network rework.
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04:14 Peacock fark, freezing rain :(
04:18 blaise I really like the fireplace and chimney mod
04:18 blaise a lot.
04:19 blaise I need to set my server to have normal time dilation, and set it to the local time the server is on
04:21 zat I remember once seeing a nice snow scenery with slow falling flakes. Someone knows the name of this mod if it is one?
04:23 Peacock isn't that freeminer's weather?
04:25 NakedFury tomorrow is gonna be a nice day.
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04:53 blaise snow has free falling snow
04:53 blaise it's very nice
04:56 zat Peacock, blaise. I think snow does not have those big slow falling flakes. Only a bunch of small ones that also slow down the cpu.
04:57 blaise does the weather mod have snow accumulation on the ground?
04:57 blaise I'm going to test it out
05:08 blaise is it possible to load and unload mods from a server while it's in operation?
05:08 blaise or do I have to shut it down?
05:08 blaise yey or neh for hotswapping mods ?
05:09 blaise weather mod's snow doesn't accumulate on the ground
05:09 blaise but it's nice
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05:14 blaise yay firestone mod
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05:23 blaise lol
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05:24 blaise weather mod crashes the server when going from one weather type directly to another
05:24 blaise so, remember to set it to none before going from snow to rain or vice versa
05:24 blaise lmao
05:24 Peacock you sure it didn't add one ontop of the other?
05:27 blaise yeah
05:27 paramat zat1, snowdrift mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6854
05:27 blaise what mod is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7foJg52ZFA0
05:29 kaeza blaise, it says 0.4-dev :|
05:29 kaeza (BTW, the link to the repo is in the video description)
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05:32 blaise lmao
05:32 blaise it's pretty awesome looking, no?
05:33 Peacock so's the sky
05:33 Peacock so that tweak  taoki made, we used to have it? lol
05:35 blaise I did add the bomb mod
05:35 blaise it's pretty interesting
05:36 kaeza griefers find it pretty interesting too!
05:36 Peacock lol
05:37 Peacock griefas gonna grief
05:38 blaise https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2290
05:38 blaise I like the fact that I can build a slegh, and it works.. :)
05:38 Peacock i think you meant sled or sleigh :P
05:42 VanessaE well so much for the water reflow code being fixed!
05:43 * VanessaE just managed to lag her server all to hell by creating a large lake of flowing water for the sake of some rapid landscaping.  nope.avi!
05:45 blaise anyone have any experience with firestone mod ?
05:45 blaise VanessaE: yeah... I have a bunch of people trying to turn all buildings into fountains...
05:46 blaise what was that movie with Kevin Costner?
05:46 blaise Water World?
05:46 blaise my whole map..
05:46 blaise or, it was..
05:47 blaise I'm on a snow covered island in the middle of nowhere trying to hide from the madness
05:47 blaise but I feel like the map just isn't very large...
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05:53 blaise for some reason on my server, the firestone mod doesn't show the fire.. I see where the fire would be, but it's all greyed out
05:54 blaise if I run it via singe player on the same machine I run the client on to connect to the server.. I can see it fine
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05:58 Peacock wtf is up with quick quote, i try highlighting a portion of text, i get redirected to a reply page with the full message lol
06:00 kaeza ^ happens sometimes
06:00 Peacock i've entered bizarro world :/
06:01 Peacock i suspected when the temperature had gone from -45c and snow to -5c and rain that i'd slipped through some inter-dimensional portal
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06:06 blaise Peacock: you must live near me.. it's like that here..
06:07 Peacock i hope youre not in the midwest, i hear its even colder there
06:10 hmmmm crazy
06:10 hmmmm the high tomorrow for me is going to be 1
06:10 hmmmm low of 12
06:11 hmmmm -12 that is... 'dangerous wind chills approaching -35F'
06:11 hmmmm :D great
06:12 * paramat is busy with paragen LVM http://i.imgur.com/N0goB8q.png
06:12 hmmmm yeow nice
06:12 hmmmm how are you doing your rivers there
06:13 paramat code is pushed to github :)
06:13 blaise I'm in the mid-east
06:13 Peacock does shadow or minetestbot do F to C conversions?
06:14 paramat http://i.imgur.com/lq1Lgqu.png HD image river crossing fissure
06:15 hmmmm i assume it's just a band of perlin noise with a lot of octaves?
06:15 hmmmm or is there more of an algorithm to it
06:15 hmmmm i had an idea of carving rivers based on random spline curves
06:16 Peacock you could almost move all the mapgen stuff to lua with all the crazy stuff paramat comes up with lol
06:17 paramat the river / canyon channels are defined by a small noise range in 3D noise, math.abs(noise) < 0.1
06:17 paramat ... creates long winding connective structures
06:18 Peacock did that dirt ridge thing get fixed? its still popping up all over my islands
06:18 paramat hmmmm any ideas? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1077
06:18 paramat good timing :)
06:19 Peacock ninja'd lol
06:19 paramat i assumed that was an old well known unfixable bug
06:20 Peacock id have to try your island mod on an older version MT
06:20 paramat i've seen that since 0.4.3
06:20 hmmmm it has to do with mud flowing
06:20 paramat oh of course ... :/
06:20 hmmmm at least that's what I'd assume if I didn't see grass in the middle of the ocean
06:21 Peacock an older version default then lol
06:21 Peacock tho, flowing mud? who came up with that
06:21 paramat the dirt ridges / trenches dont appear in desert ...
06:22 Peacock christ, kaeza, VanssaE : spam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8218
06:22 Peacock *VanessaE ^
06:22 paramat dirt flowing into previously generated neighbouring chunks? oh bye hehe
06:23 Peacock weird that it should be in straight lines though
06:23 Peacock forming perfect squares lol
06:23 paramat ... large caves does that too
06:23 blaise what clown logs in to a server that doesn't own it as "Admin"
06:23 blaise lol
06:23 paramat those are chunk boundaries
06:23 VanessaE killed.
06:23 Peacock thanks, 2nd time tonight with that bitcoin shit lol
06:24 Peacock p if the chunk boundaries are being raised then its either ongen (mapgen) or vmanip, what else could cause it?
06:24 Peacock blaise I get those idiots too :P
06:25 VanessaE paramat: that old bug?  I thought they fixed that
06:26 paramat the dirt of default v6 mapgen flows over chunk boundaries into previously generated chunks, griefing lua mapgen
06:26 VanessaE Peacock: it would be straight lines if seen from above
06:26 Peacock must be a really old bug i don't recall it
06:27 paramat exactly the same bug as large caves putting slab shaped holes in everything =P
06:28 Peacock though in another strange instance, i get small circle cutouts of my vmanip generated shield bubbles, this is new as of 048
06:28 paramat though now you can do 'is_ground_content = false' to avoid that
06:28 paramat oh yeah i saw your screenshot
06:29 Peacock yeah its really weird and cant figure out what it is, it doesn't happen in my oct9 git minetest version
06:30 Peacock you'd almost think it was related if it weren't for the fact in one case it draws circles and the other squares lol
06:31 Peacock though the only two nodes defined for my vmanip is air and shield, and i get cutouts (air), in the mapgen mod, i get dirt ridges, which is defined in the islands' vmanip
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07:52 Selat Can I try to implement fast circuit simulator in core of minetest that works in O(number of logic gates)?
07:53 Hirato you can probably do one that works in O(number of circuit pieces) :P
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07:54 kahrl you can even do O(1)
07:54 Hirato the easiest thing to do is probably to track the "power source" for any circuit pieces
07:54 Hirato might get a bit heavy with lots of pieces
07:54 Selat I mean that speed of simulation doesn't depend on length or amount of wire (if nothing is added or destroyed).
07:55 Hirato just as is? yeah, that can be quite quick
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08:09 Peacock thats what i did with pipes :P track the source
08:11 VanessaE sorry Jeija, server crashed
08:11 VanessaE (not a mod error, a bug in sapier's build)
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08:17 Selat Does each block has something like onDestroy()? Or destructor is used for this purpose?
08:17 VanessaE tes
08:17 VanessaE yes
08:18 VanessaE on_destruct or after_dig_node
08:18 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2196
08:18 VanessaE on_destruct is above that
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08:38 VanessaE bbl
08:41 Selat So on_destruct can be defined only in Lua?
08:43 sfan5 hi everyone
08:43 sfan5 stupid fucking gvfs, it crashes gimp now I have to do everything again
08:45 sfan5 crashed*
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10:02 benni hi. is there a way to install 0.49 on ubuntu 12.04 without compiling from source? the official package ist only daily or 0.48 and the debian package has unmet dependencies. any hints?
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10:26 sfan5 benni: why would you not want to compile?
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10:36 Robby VanessaE: did you ever get that bug fixed that you mentioned in this thread? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=741
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11:01 Exio4 [03:22:00] <VanessaE> almost everyone has to deal with cold weather :P
11:02 Exio4 VanessaE: i didn't have <15C in some months
11:07 benni sfan5: because it looks a bit complicated in the readme. i will do it if it is not possible otherwise.
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11:13 sfan5 benni: take a look at this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837
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11:15 MegafAtWork VanessaE: http://paste.debian.net/74513/
11:15 MegafAtWork 01:37:02: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ...e/megaf/minetest/bin/../mod​s/homedecor/signs_lib.lua:329: bad argument #1 to 'ipairs' (table expected, got nil)
11:21 * VanessaE looks
11:21 john_minetest Hello everypony.
11:21 VanessaE also, good morning
11:21 VanessaE (couldn't sleep anymore(
11:21 VanessaE hi john
11:24 VanessaE MegafAtWork: try that.
11:24 VanessaE can you reproduce the crash with that little change I just pushed?
11:27 MinetestBot GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Create new instance of mesh every time it's required (Solves #703) d76957ee22 2014-01-06T03:24:31-08:00 http://git.io/72J7Xw
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11:29 MegafAtWork VanessaE: I can´t test that again, it happen when I was asleep
11:29 MegafAtWork And now I'm at my work place
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11:30 MegafAtWork VanessaE: I backing up my server now, when the Backup is complete I will update homedecor and restart the server
11:30 VanessaE ok
11:39 john_minetest <random> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 </random>
11:44 benni sfan5: thanks, i will give it a try.
11:44 sfan5 !title
11:44 sfan5 MinetestBot!
11:44 MinetestBot sfan5!
11:44 MinetestBot sfan5: RickRoll&#39;D - YouTube
11:45 sfan5 john_minetest: heh
11:48 benni sfan5: this script will download the latest version? what should i change to downlaod the latest stable? i need a version which can connect with a 0.49. server.
11:49 sfan5 you can use 0.4.9 to connect to any 0.4.x server
11:50 sfan5 (latest git too)
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12:02 MegafAtWork 12:01:22: ACTION[ServerThread]: Server: Admin supplied wrong password 12:01:23: ACTION[ServerThread]: Server: Admin supplied wrong password
12:02 MegafAtWork kik
12:02 MegafAtWork I mean
12:02 MegafAtWork lol
12:03 MegafAtWork MinetestBot:!
12:03 MegafAtWork MinetestBot!
12:03 MinetestBot MegafAtWork!
12:03 MegafAtWork sfan5!
12:03 sfan5 hm?
12:03 MegafAtWork oh, didnt work
12:03 MegafAtWork nevermind
12:04 MegafAtWork benni: Hi, what are you trying to do?
12:12 MegafAtWork sfan5: What script is benni talking about?
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12:54 sfan5 MegafAtWork: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837
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13:03 benni sfan5: thanks, the script works!
13:03 benni MegafAtWork: this one  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837
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13:16 john_minetest wut? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HQ_hA7nChg
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13:54 sfan5 !title
13:54 MinetestBot sfan5: Dubstep Light Show - This is Halloween - YouTube
14:09 Hirato !help
14:09 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
14:10 Hirato !c pi / pi
14:10 MinetestBot IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/calc.py", line 46, in c)
14:10 Hirato lol?
14:10 Exio4 !c 1+1
14:10 MinetestBot IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/calc.py", line 46, in c)
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14:28 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Add function to deregister a profiler from profiler list 6833e04bc5 2014-01-06T06:26:24-08:00 http://git.io/Hq_uNQ
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15:09 jin_xi hello minetest, whats up?
15:10 * jin_xi *fsjal*
15:10 * sfan5 puts a kitten on jin_xi's head
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15:12 jin_xi i already have a cat on my lap
15:12 jin_xi I'll get you next time, Gadget! Muahahaha
15:12 Hirato would you say they're fe-lying on you ;3c
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15:31 meldrian hello my dear minetesters
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15:34 zat How good you think that a Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2212 @ 2ghz with 1gb of ram is for a Minetest server?
15:35 sfan5 zat: good enough
15:36 zat it sux
15:36 zat It is unplayable, zero mods enabled.
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15:36 sfan5 what os?
15:36 playzooki hi guys
15:37 zat sfan5: centos.
15:37 sfan5 try linux
15:37 zat Centos uses linux.
15:38 sfan5 oh..
15:38 sfan5 did you compile yourself?
15:38 zat yes
15:40 Hirato my netbook isn't much weaker than that, and it pushes like 15 frames with almost zero visibility
15:41 Hirato but eh, intel GPUs, what you gonna do? :P
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15:44 MinetestBot GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Actually pause singleplayer game in pause menu and use lower maximum FPS in it 92aa38bdfc 2014-01-06T07:39:44-08:00 http://git.io/9Odhew
15:46 zat I dont really get it.... four months ago minetest worked perfectly in my server.
15:46 zat now it it unplayable, no matter what I do.
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16:02 pitriss zat: how many users do you have online? Our server is running fine on Pentium 3 Xeon @ 1GHz, 2.5GB RAM and three players are not much problem? (our mtserver version is some 0.4.7-dev)
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16:09 zat pitriss: one player
16:10 fmcd hey guys.. is there are more direct ways hackers could find IPs of a private server apart from web crawling?
16:11 fmcd brute force crawling IPs i mean
16:11 zat that is the most direct I can think of
16:11 pitriss zat: weird... because we have a lot of mods..
16:12 harrison "The Yellow Network", by IP Freeley
16:12 fmcd i'm wondering are IPs leaking from mods like when they connect to the skin db or something
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16:14 Hirato maybe they got the IP from a prior registration to the masterserver?
16:14 fmcd hmm. pretty sure this server has never had registration turned on
16:15 kaeza greetings
16:15 zat pitriss: what version of minetest?
16:15 zat hi kaeza
16:19 pitriss zat: 0.4.7-MSVC-329-g382357d-dirty
16:19 pitriss -dirty probably because we changed nodes limit to not suffer by 4k limit
16:22 zat :S
16:25 pitriss And what i can see on munin graphs.. Minetest CPU usage was max 75% and max 400MB RAM
16:26 zat How you see that?
16:26 pitriss zat: are you sure that some other process isn't killing your servers performance?
16:27 zat nothing else is running
16:27 zat it is dedicated to minetest
16:28 Ritchie zat: can you look into htop?
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16:29 zat Ritchie: top? Everything is 0.1% of ram and 0% of cpu.
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16:33 Ritchie zat: this looks that nothing runs or minetestserver maybe is idle
16:33 Ritchie zat: what load do you have on server? uptime shows it
16:37 zat 13:37:36 up 24 days, 16:22,  3 users,  load average: 1.09, 0.95, 0.52
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16:47 iqualfragile 92aa38bdfc36fd759 no freaking way that has finaly made it into minetest
16:49 zat What is it iqualfragile?
16:49 VanessaE yup
16:49 iqualfragile the original pull request is like 2 years old…
16:50 zat What is it iqualfragile?
16:50 Ritchie zat: load 1 at one minute and five minute average is quite high, something had to run on your server
16:50 iqualfragile zat: use computer skills on 92aa38bdfc36fd75
16:50 zat Ritchie: I was yum updating the system :)
16:51 zat iqualfragile: I have no browser or git at hand now
16:51 Ritchie oki
16:51 zat Ritchie: now it says 13:51:44 up 24 days, 16:36,  3 users,  load average: 0.99, 1.27, 1.04
16:52 iqualfragile zat: not even links?
16:52 iqualfragile its a change lowering the fps in when you open the escape-menue
16:52 iqualfragile and pausing the game
16:53 zat ah yes, I read that earlied today, it was MinetestBot.
17:05 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=124749#p124749
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17:10 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
17:11 zat Hi Pilz
17:11 zat Jordach: you made that?
17:11 zat I mean, ingame?
17:11 Jordach zat, #blender is your friend
17:12 zat But you think that it would look like in blender?
17:12 zat well I dont see why not anyway.
17:20 * Jordach test renders cloth + object attachments
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17:30 rubenwardy Hi all!
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17:34 Ritchie zat: what load do you have on server now? if there nothing runs or aplications are idle, load should be 0.1
17:35 zat Ritchie: 14:35:20 up 24 days, 17:20,  3 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.17
17:35 john_minetest Jordach: Btw, back on my 8-core
17:35 john_minetest *4-core
17:36 john_minetest 8 threads
17:37 Ritchie zat: this looks fine, your minetestserver is still unplayable?
17:37 Jordach john_minetest, i'm pissing about with physics
17:39 zat Ritchie: it was... not maybe not, my admin added 1gb more of ram so I will try.
17:40 * rubenwardy is updating his minetest copy
17:40 rubenwardy sf@n's build, sorry PilzAd@m
17:40 Ritchie zat: ram usage of our minetestserver is about 200 MB, i didn't see it over 400 MB in history, we have ~ 1 GB world
17:41 zat Then maybe it wont help much
17:43 Ritchie zat: if you can, try do backup copy of your compiling folder of minetest and try to recompile
17:43 rubenwardy lol
17:43 PilzAdam rubenwardy, dat non-ping
17:43 rubenwardy In capture the flag, you can create a team with a name of ""
17:43 rubenwardy :P
17:44 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/LOUnN3V
17:44 Jordach oh MY GAWD
17:44 rubenwardy lol
17:45 rubenwardy And if you do /team when there is a team called "", i thinks you are doing /team <teamname>, so the GUI doesn't open
17:45 rubenwardy Who wrote this code? Its cr@p!
17:45 john_minetest Jordach: http://i.imgur.com/vtPYH3t.png
17:46 rubenwardy fixed
17:52 rubenwardy is 'You are not allowed to switch teams, traitor!' a good message for people who try to change teams in capture the flag / city combat?
17:54 john_minetest yes.
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17:56 zat Ritchie: I am suspecting the issue is that minetest is too cpu intensive.
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17:58 * Jordach wonders what PilzAdam's wallpaper is
17:59 rubenwardy would /cmd hi    return "hi" or " hi" as param
18:00 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Escape error messages in error dialog 3e728e722a 2014-01-06T09:59:14-08:00 http://git.io/hC4i1g
18:01 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/cloth-test-1/
18:02 rubenwardy Nice
18:02 VanessaE Jordach: you did this?
18:02 Jordach mhm
18:02 VanessaE VERY impressive!
18:02 Jordach i let blender do the thinking
18:02 Jordach protip, a certain player model might get the cloth upgrade, but what it is will be a true secret
18:03 PilzAdam Jordach, there is a screenshot somewhere on the forums
18:03 VanessaE cape?
18:03 VanessaE :)
18:03 Jordach nope.avi
18:03 VanessaE realtest loincloth then.
18:03 Jordach lol
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18:04 zat lol Jordach I always wanted to do that
18:04 zat last time I tried was 8 years ago though
18:06 MegafAtWork [16:01] <Jordach> http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/cloth-test-1/
18:06 MegafAtWork That's very good Jordach
18:07 MegafAtWork Blender is brilliant
18:09 VanessaE is anyone here good with configuring bind? :)
18:10 whirm VanessaE: I'm too lazy, I just use dnsmasq
18:10 VanessaE heh
18:11 PilzAdam VanessaE, "configuring bind"?
18:11 whirm VanessaE: if you just need host resolution with no views or complicated stuff, use dnsmasq
18:11 VanessaE PilzAdam: yeah, bind9, named, whatever you wanna call it.
18:11 VanessaE well, it's just that it's been well over 10 years since I touched it..  I just wanna know if this looks right:
18:11 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6704513/  -->  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6704514/
18:11 PilzAdam btw, stats mod logs crafted items now
18:12 VanessaE given how long it takes DNS to propagate, configuring stuff like this is damned hard when you don't know wtf you're doing :)
18:13 rubenwardy What is the regex for a player name>
18:13 rubenwardy ?
18:13 whirm VanessaE: Try it on a local bind first
18:13 PilzAdam rubenwardy, A-Za-z0-9_ AFAIK
18:14 VanessaE whirm: I assume it worked:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6704530/
18:14 rubenwardy so string.match(param,"player (A-Za-z0-9_-)")
18:14 VanessaE it's just that the propagation delay is... killing me :)
18:14 rubenwardy or string.match(param,"player (A-Za-z0-9_+)")
18:14 rubenwardy no
18:14 rubenwardy string.match(param,"player ([A-Za-z0-9_]-)")
18:15 Ritchie zat: I don't think minetest is too much cpu hungry
18:15 xyz VanessaE: what the hell do you need it for?
18:15 Ritchie zat: maybe you have something bad in your sw setup
18:16 VanessaE xyz: I run a dedicated server and there seems to be no simple way to tell my host's nameservers to point my domain to it
18:16 VanessaE they recommend bind
18:16 VanessaE so I'm calling forth my old, rusty, dusty, disused skills :)
18:16 xyz w-wat, oh well, forget it
18:17 * Jordach sprays VanessaE with WD40
18:17 * VanessaE is wet.
18:18 zat Ritchie: I have finite liquid turned on but with only 100 loop_max and 0.2 liquid_update. What you think of that?
18:18 Jordach that rust should wipe off ;)
18:18 Jordach > finite liquid turned on
18:18 Jordach there's yer problem
18:18 xyz I'd just use some free dns
18:18 Ritchie zat: turn it off
18:19 VanessaE free dns?  um, I'm using my own domain that I've had for a few years now.
18:19 xyz do you know what DNS is? D:
18:19 VanessaE of course I do.
18:19 xyz so you want to set up your own? what's the point?
18:19 VanessaE but that does not mean I know how to set one up from scratch
18:19 VanessaE did you miss the part where I said I haven't touched this part of server admin stuff in over 10 years?
18:20 xyz <xyz> so you want to set up your own? what's the point?
18:20 VanessaE I *don't* want to set up my own, but it seems like I'm going to have to if I want my domain to resolve to the IP of my server.  there does not appear to be another option.
18:21 xyz lel
18:21 xyz anyway!
18:21 xyz since I'm so nice!
18:21 proller zat, екн акууьштук
18:21 proller try freeminer
18:21 VanessaE Character conversion failed!
18:21 VanessaE :P
18:22 zat Ritchie: same result, minetest still at 85 or 99 CPU
18:22 xyz I'll tell you to just use cloudflare DNS if your domain registrar doesn't provide it (which is rare but could happen sometimes)
18:23 * Jordach wants to ban freeminer ads from #minetest
18:23 xyz as a bonus, you can use, well, cloudflare, for some subdomains
18:23 MegafAtWork [16:22] <zat> Ritchie: same result, minetest still at 85 or 99 CPU
18:24 MegafAtWork That's normal
18:24 xyz and save traffic and protect yourself from DDoS and get better latency
18:24 MegafAtWork when running minetest
18:24 VanessaE indeed, my registrar does not provide DNS services (at least, not if you aren't also hosting with them)
18:24 zat Well, I keep hitting the boundaries and it takes around 30 minutes to load more map
18:24 zat seconds********
18:25 proller Jordach, okay, minetest users must suffer with minute lag
18:25 xyz but they won't suffer from Freeminer ads!
18:25 xyz which is what Jordach wants!
18:25 Jordach proller, count the users who actually give a fuck
18:25 xyz less visibility, no one should know about it
18:26 xyz now you're acting like a government
18:26 xyz a bit too butthurt government, if you ask me
18:26 proller Jordach, every who have server with 5+ players?
18:26 VanessaE maybe because freeminer != minetest ?
18:26 proller freeminer = 100% minetest + 1% patches
18:27 xyz VanessaE: but it is
18:27 xyz it's compatible
18:28 proller btw in server list top servers again on freeminer and without lag ;)
18:28 Jordach lag != gameplay
18:28 Jordach stutters*
18:28 rubenwardy 18 players on a server!
18:28 Jordach lag refers to slow old networking, whereas both systems have large sections where Lua is the bottleneck
18:28 rubenwardy lag = 1/gameplay
18:29 xyz lol
18:29 xyz i bet you'
18:29 rubenwardy gameplay = 1/lag
18:29 xyz i bet you're feeling smart now
18:29 xyz but playing with words won't get you anywhere, Jordach
18:29 rubenwardy lag/0 = inf
18:29 Jordach xyz, you have someone who wants stupidly slow finite liquids as default
18:30 xyz Jordach: keep telling yourself that
18:30 proller Jordach, no. networking - only ~5% of lag
18:30 Jordach you're still using lag as an umbrella term for all your speed issues
18:31 xyz oh teach me what should I use "lag" for
18:32 * MegafAtWork understand lag as the network latency, the time to it takes for a request to arrive on the server and get back to the user
18:33 proller ^^ == ping
18:33 proller lag = ping + server process time
18:34 zat + pong?
18:34 Hirato_ a machine that goes PING!
18:35 xyz "hey guys we've fixed lag, see" "fuck you let's complain about the word usage"
18:35 Hirato_ dongs
18:35 * rubenwardy gaps at http://servers.minetest.net/
18:35 rubenwardy gapes?
18:35 Hirato_ now let's complain about Hirato_ using inappropriate words in #minetest
18:35 Jordach xyz, then you're clearly false advertising about fixing "lag"
18:36 xyz what?
18:36 rubenwardy You guys are getting sour
18:36 Jordach you've fixed one of the problems plaging the codebase
18:36 xyz Jordach: I think you're just too butthurt
18:36 Jordach xyz, take your 4chan shit elsewhere
18:36 Jordach i'm tired of it
18:36 zat rubenwardy: sourmath!
18:37 xyz Jordach: alright
18:37 xyz Jordach: I think you're just too upset
18:37 Hirato_ rain drops are falling on my head
18:37 xyz over those simple things
18:37 MegafAtWork I win, My server has the less lag http://servers.minetest.net/
18:37 Jordach xyz, just remember, i WILL completely flee minetest forever; I BOUGHT MC
18:37 MegafAtWork Megat Till It Ends ping = 58
18:38 rubenwardy local player = string.match(param,"^player ([%a%d_]-)")
18:38 rubenwardy :(
18:38 xyz no need to be upset
18:38 xyz Jordach: have a nice pic http://i.imgur.com/sgRJkcy.jpg
18:38 MegafAtWork Jordach: I have Minecraft too, but I do prefer Minetest
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18:38 Hirato_ jimmies being rustles in here
18:39 proller ping is only network udp ping, you can have 10ms ping ang unplayable 30 seconds lag
18:39 rubenwardy local player = string.match(param,"^player ([%a%d_]-)")    no worky. Any suggestions, PilzAdam?
18:39 proller minetest must report average dtime
18:39 rubenwardy It correctly identifies it the command is /team player <name>, but player is = ""
18:39 PilzAdam gah! regex!
18:39 * PilzAdam runs
18:40 rubenwardy Patterns, actually
18:40 MegafAtWork I should leave my job to play minetest for more time
18:40 proller MegafAtWork, your server have low ping because locatrd in one country wuth masterserver
18:41 Hirato_ I blame the weather mod
18:41 MegafAtWork proller: nope, it's because sapier's udp fix
18:41 MegafAtWork my ping used to be much higher
18:41 Hirato_ join the enet side of the force!
18:42 * Jordach just realised something so stupid...
18:42 Hirato_ you're not wearing pants!?
18:43 MegafAtWork http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfro​nt.net/photo/aRQ4BGB_460s.jpg
18:43 MegafAtWork oops
18:43 MegafAtWork http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfro​nt.net/photo/aRQ4BGB_460sa.gif
18:43 MegafAtWork there you go
18:44 rubenwardy local player = string.match(param,"^player ([%a%d_]*)")  works. Notice change from - to *
18:44 Jordach Hirato_, blender's being douch-y about armature
18:44 rubenwardy actually, local player = string.match(param,"^player ([%a%d_]+)")
18:44 Hirato_ I can't really into blender
18:45 Hirato_ I find anything more complex than texturing a cube daunting :p
18:47 zat Hirato_: get used to the hotkeys.
18:47 proller MegafAtWork, try --gameid default    in fm if you cant start it
18:47 Hirato_ It's more than I can't find what I'm looking for, and if I do find it, I can't figure out how it works :p
18:48 Hirato_ and if I look for tutorials, they're for versions with a completely different UI
18:49 rubenwardy same for me, Hirato_.
18:49 Hirato_ for example, animation groups
18:49 Hirato_ I understand the idea, and it's easy enough to browse a model that has one set up
18:49 Hirato_ but how the fuck do you add one!?
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18:50 Jordach Hirato_, create pose(s), add them in sequences
18:50 Hirato_ see, no one fucking tells me that
18:50 kaeza blender is the emacs of 3d modelling software :P
18:50 * kaeza hides
18:51 Jordach i'll call 50/50 on that
18:51 Hirato_ then what's the vim?
18:52 zat kaeza: I disagree, I think that blender is good.
18:52 kaeza I did not say it's bad, did I?
18:52 zat oops
18:52 * zat hides
18:53 * Jordach grumbles about blender having deficiencies that are fixable, but hacky
18:53 kaeza related: http://24.media.tumblr.com/URe​OpNBYEaboydkrJsWJpyMp_400.jpg
18:54 zat kik
18:54 Jordach uhm
18:54 Jordach notepad should be in negatives
18:55 zat somebody remember my space fight video!!?
18:55 zat :D
18:55 Hirato_ visual studio's should be more like vim's
18:55 Hirato_ just a ltitle bit
18:56 xyz nice try
18:56 john_minetest zat: Space flight video?
18:56 xyz visual studio isn't even an editor
18:56 zat john_minetest: yes, you watched it?
18:57 john_minetest zat: No, have you got a link?
18:58 zat I had, I deleted my youtube account... I would have to reupload it somewhere else. I deleted all my Google accounts.
18:59 john_minetest My bread is like a cheap HP laptop.
18:59 john_minetest It is only designed for relatively short usage, when using it longer it falls apart.
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19:04 Jordach ohai PenguinDad
19:04 PenguinDad Hi Jordach
19:04 EvergreenTree Penguin!
19:05 * EvergreenTree throws a fish at PenguinDad and NekoGloop
19:05 * PenguinDad eats the Fish
19:07 john_minetest NekoGloop seems to be far away since the fish didn't come down yet. And EvergreenTree can far very far.
19:07 john_minetest *can throw very far
19:09 * sfan5 puts a kitten on EvergreenTree's head
19:09 * EvergreenTree sets MinetestBot on NekoGloop's head
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19:10 MinetestBot meow
19:12 EvergreenTree rowr
19:12 EvergreenTree bark
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19:13 EvergreenTree Hey there you Peacock
19:13 PenguinDad squawk
19:13 Peacock howdy Mr. Tree
19:13 PenguinDad hi Peacock
19:14 Peacock Howdy Mr. Penguin
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19:14 Peacock must be a slow news day here, i never get this kind of reception, it's usually more along the lines of "oh no!" :p
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19:18 Ritchie zat: what is actual status? still is cpu hungry?
19:19 john_minetest PenguinDad: 1234
19:21 john_minetest (That is a reference to airflight. See transponder codes.)
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19:25 NekoGloop meow
19:25 * Jordach rofls
19:25 * Peacock tosses cat treats
19:25 Jordach my family are taking the piss on video omegle
19:26 Peacock why would you want to record visits to the bathroom?
19:31 PilzAdam the 0.4.9 milestone is 58% finished
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19:33 playzooki hi guys
19:33 john_minetest http://pastebin.sabayon.org/​pasties/store/16125/star.png
19:33 playzooki how do i add a file to a girhub repo using the windows application?
19:34 xyz https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=124776#p124776
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19:34 john_minetest Lol, people on omegle are mostly dumb kiddies who have too much time.
19:34 john_minetest At least in the chat.
19:35 Jordach http://sandbox.ltmnet.com/ima​ges/mt/rooflike_drawtype.png
19:36 rubenwardy nice, Jordach
19:36 rubenwardy your mod?
19:36 Jordach tell darkrose that :)
19:36 Jordach the rooflike drawtype in -classic
19:36 Peacock wow, real smooth diagonal surfaces
19:37 john_minetest woah, that should be ingame.
19:37 * Peacock shits a default:brick
19:37 john_minetest u will shit default:brick s.
19:37 john_minetest When you see it.
19:37 Jordach john_minetest, you will /shit default:brick 99
19:37 Peacock is it being forward ported? (or whatever the correct terminology is)
19:37 Jordach Peacock, nope
19:37 Peacock figured lol
19:38 Jordach classic is darkrose's own fork :P
19:38 Peacock i know that
19:38 Peacock tried it months ago
19:38 zat Ritchie: Yes, I did not have luck with minetest so I am going to try freeminer now.
19:38 Peacock you can fake it though with current minetest and the flowingliquid drawtype
19:39 * Jordach has a live wallpaper of a digital equaliser in droid
19:40 Peacock thats not new :P
19:40 Peacock my 3 year old froyo has that :P
19:40 Jordach Peacock, they removed it from 4.x
19:40 Peacock howcome?
19:40 Jordach they just did
19:40 Jordach my tablet is stockier than stock
19:41 john_minetest get cyanogenmod, it is better.
19:41 Peacock in any case, the novelty of android wore off after about a year lol
19:41 * playzooki would like to know how to add a new file to a github repo from the windows application
19:41 john_minetest I wonder why nobody writes some free phone operating system that actually works.
19:41 Jordach playzooki, /<user>/Documents/GitHub/<project name>/<files to add here/
19:41 Jordach then hit that sync button
19:41 playzooki thanks
19:41 xyz we can't just go on and port features from -classic
19:42 Jordach it'd (perhaps) solve the smooth world idea :)
19:42 Peacock john i thought google did
19:43 xyz because -classic is licensed under GPLv3
19:43 Peacock unless darkrose just gives the code
19:43 Peacock (license it to mt in lgpl)
19:43 xyz yes, we'll have to ask for permissions for every commit or something
19:44 xyz that's not a problem now since darkrose apparently is the only one who develops it
19:44 xyz we just ask her and that's all
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19:44 Peacock in any case if 1 person could do the roof thing, then i imagine the big dev team here should be able to come up with something as nice
19:44 Peacock (if not better)
19:44 xyz the big dev team here currently does udp/tcp mixed thing it seems
19:44 xyz moreover
19:45 xyz how many people do you think actually write C++ code?
19:45 Peacock i'd like to thing everyone with a "Developer" label on the forums lol
19:45 Peacock *think
19:48 Miner_48er VanessaE is the moretrees_settings.txt files still used or is the forum post outdated?
19:48 VanessaE if it exists, it is used.
19:49 VanessaE it just isn't created by default anymore
19:49 xyz Peacock: your rose-colored glasses are a bit too intensive
19:50 rubenwardy hmmmm
19:50 Miner_48er ok all that mod needs to work is plantlib and no config changes?
19:50 Peacock well i did say "like to think" :P which developers don't do c++ though?
19:50 rubenwardy (oops, sorry for highlight)
19:51 Peacock wow, this is insane, 19 mods, 10 players and both my cores are maxed out :/
19:52 xyz use freeminer
19:53 Miner_48er VanessaE ok all that mod needs to work is plantlib and no config changes?
19:53 Peacock ill have to try it out yeah, the whole server right now locks up for several seconds every minute
19:54 Peacock anyone know what this means?: ERROR[main]: WARNING: updateListener: invalid value
19:57 xyz Peacock: also I really hope that you use leveldb
19:57 Peacock naw i just use the default setup
19:58 Ritchie Peacock: this was a bug caused that my brother were teleported somewhere far away in one direction
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19:58 VanessaE Miner_48er: yeah
19:58 Peacock ritchie you get it too? its weird as f
19:59 Ritchie Peacock: I didn't get it but my brother yes
19:59 Ritchie I agree, it is weird
20:00 rubenwardy Added flag fetching to capture the flag: the players will have to pick up the flag, and then take it to their spawn flag to win
20:01 Peacock did it happen to him after digging alot?
20:02 xyz Peacock: you should use LevelDB
20:02 Ritchie it did mostly if he walked
20:03 proller actual lag meter - https://github.com/proller/minetest/commit​/ecde7389099fcf174631395694e57749ce986e88
20:03 Peacock ritchie me i dig say a tunnel, then move, and it happens
20:03 Peacock xyz why isn't it default though if its > sqlite?
20:03 xyz Peacock: because windows
20:04 xyz (I guess)
20:04 Peacock ah yes, im guessing on linux you have to compile with some flag to get leveldb?
20:04 Ritchie Peacock: he has version 0.4.6, he has minetest downloaded from website (some linux system), he didn't have compiled minetest because of poor CPU (amd athlon xp 1800+)
20:04 Ritchie *had
20:05 xyz and some people always whine "what if it's broken sqlite so good never break but leveldb no good"
20:05 Ritchie it happened before summer holidays
20:06 Hirato_ they should've gotten all the serious bugs with 0.4.9
20:06 Peacock been happening since 046 me too all the way up to 048
20:07 Peacock i kinda wish minetest had a preinstall script like some distros have a post-install script, "would you like X or Y db support?" etc.
20:08 Ritchie Peacock: what version do you have? the one from website or distribution package or do you have compiled minetest?
20:08 Peacock always compile, repo versions are always old
20:09 Hirato_ even Arch at present >_>
20:09 Ritchie Peacock: db backend can be set by compile flags I think
20:09 Hirato_ nah, at best you can enable leveldb
20:10 Ritchie my settings from ccmake: ENABLE_LEVELDB                   OFF
20:10 Hirato_ use "1" or "ON"
20:10 Peacock looking at the minetest.conf example it seems theres no easy on off switch there
20:11 xyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8183
20:11 Ritchie what are advantages of use leveldb?
20:12 xyz it's faster
20:12 xyz and according to some people it doesn't break in some weird circumstances
20:12 Peacock "when its eaten, replenishes all lives."
20:12 pitriss Ritchie: and mapper won't work with leveldb:)
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20:14 xyz moonscript definitely seems interesting
20:14 xyz i should try writing some mods in it to piss people off
20:14 Ritchie wow, some little advantages and one major problem :)
20:14 xyz well you could make it work
20:14 Ritchie :D
20:14 Hirato_ it also makes you toast in bed
20:15 Peacock toast would be nice
20:15 xyz by converting your map to sqlite every time you want to redraw the map
20:16 xyz but still, no one has written a proper isometric mapper
20:16 xyz why's that? :(
20:16 Peacock well you did?
20:17 xyz it's not proper
20:17 xyz can't draw shit, very slow
20:18 Peacock FIFE's written in cpp
20:18 xyz who knows, maybe porting minecraft overviewer is a better idea
20:18 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6947
20:18 rubenwardy !title
20:18 MinetestBot rubenwardy: [Game] Capture the Flag and City VS City combat [0.2][capturetheflag] (Page 1) — Minetest Games â€[...]
20:18 xyz Peacock: wtf is that?
20:18 Peacock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F​lexible_Isometric_Free_Engine
20:18 Peacock isometric engine
20:18 Hirato_ fallout inspired isometric engine
20:18 Peacock maybe overkill for what we need lol
20:19 Calinou xyz, overviewer is very heavy and slow to use, it's not made for putting stuff over the web or such
20:19 xyz it's not?
20:19 Calinou it focuses on looks, not on speed
20:19 xyz what is it made for then?
20:19 Calinou local views
20:19 Peacock fife's even lgpl and renders in opengl, not bad
20:20 xyz Calinou: well are there any other mappers?
20:20 xyz those that maybe could provide some generic interface which we can just replace
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20:22 rubenwardy1 I will need someone to test ctf sometime. (i dont have access to port forwarding, so someone else will have to host it)
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20:23 Calinou my connection can only handle 3-4 players
20:25 Peacock :/ ACTION[ServerThread]: CHAT: Character conversion failed!
20:25 proller rubenwardy, i can try to host it on Fm
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20:26 xyz Peacock: -DENABLE_GETTEXT=1
20:27 xyz Calinou: so any suggestions?
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20:28 Calinou I don't know anything faster that isn't a CraftBukkit plugin, though
20:28 Calinou so you can try playing around with Overviewer :)
20:28 xyz just browsing around http://minecraft.gamepedia.com​/Programs_and_editors/Mapping sorted by date
20:28 xyz https://github.com/m0r13/mapcrafter looks interesting
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20:30 john_minetest we got zeg9's amazing minetest minetest renderer.
20:30 xyz well great!
20:30 xyz keep using it!
20:30 xyz but I have some problems with it
20:31 xyz 0) it doesn't work
20:31 john_minetest what problem?
20:31 xyz 1) it requires me to manually browse map, manually make sure blocks get loaded, manually take screenshots
20:31 xyz not sure about this point since it doesn't work
20:31 rubenwardy That would be awesome, proller. I need about five players minimum to test the ui, and for bugs. Wednesday/Thursday is ideal, 6pm gmt (2.5 earlier than the current time noow.) i dont mind really.
20:33 proller better send me ready-to use config, i can start 24/7 server
20:35 rubenwardy thanks :P I still need to do some alpha testing, before going to beta.
20:36 john_minetest xyz: What do you use?
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20:38 Miner_48er VanessaE does the snow mod conflict with plantlife?
20:38 xyz john_minetest: what do you mean?
20:38 john_minetest xyz: Which mapper do you use instead?
20:39 xyz I don't use any ATM
20:41 john_minetest Wasn't there that omnmpneia thingie?
20:41 xyz yeah
20:41 john_minetest Hmmm... I remember that it couldn't display nodeboxes.
20:42 xyz indeed
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20:49 Peacock lol someone posing as jojoa..."location: Ukraine"
20:53 VanessaE Miner_48er: no but snow mod has a tendency to cause other mapgen hooks not to work right for some reason
20:56 Miner_48er VanessaE so It's compatible with plantlife or could it cause problems?
20:56 VanessaE it's compatible
20:57 VanessaE the only problem you could expect to see is fewer plants
20:57 Miner_48er could that also effect moretrees?
20:58 VanessaE yes
20:58 VanessaE but I don't recall seeing any such problems last time I tried it
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21:15 zat Am I the only one able to see underground caves through ice blocks?
21:18 xiong Is $ minetestserver --config <file> a repeatable option or can it accept multiple values?
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21:32 john_minetest interesting http://www.freewear.org/
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21:54 Calinou proprietarywear is faster
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22:14 kaeza Taoki, https://github.com/kaeza/mi​netest/tree/player_set_fov
22:14 Taoki kaeza: Nice
22:15 Taoki kaeza: I later plan to make a function that can also set the player camera's location and rotation, as offsetting it could be helpful. I was thinking FOV could be added to that
22:15 Taoki something like player.set_camera(position, rotatin, fov, transition_speed)
22:15 kaeza that FOV transition idea is cool
22:18 xyz I'm afraid network lag will make this unusable
22:18 xyz we really will need client-side Lua for stuff like this
22:18 kaeza yeah, that's an issue :/
22:18 john_minetest Can we have a zoom function?
22:19 john_minetest I'd like to have some function, maybe with "Z" or MMB that zooms in a bit.
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22:22 xyz there's a pull
22:23 xyz and this feature is already in freeminer, lol
22:24 john_minetest Then I say:
22:24 john_minetest http://i.imgur.com/jYzGmFv.jpg
22:25 xyz because we no merge, we rebase
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22:28 aldobr hi all
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22:32 GeekRadicalism hi
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22:55 MinetestBot GIT: proller commited to minetest/minetest: Send long announce as POST, show OS in useragent c62bab010f 2014-01-06T14:50:45-08:00 http://git.io/20v4TA
22:56 PilzAdam bye
23:14 MinetestBot GIT: proller commited to minetest/minetest: Fix wrong named masterserver announce variable 78f7f9eca8 2014-01-06T15:11:18-08:00 http://git.io/PIRDjA
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23:24 proller real lag meter commited and works!
23:26 fwilson ooh, neat!
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23:27 proller http://servers.minetest.net/ -- Ping, Lag column
23:28 proller reaction time near ping+lag (ms)
23:47 Peacock isn't ping sortof arbitrary though? there's the distance between the serverlist (presumably in russia) and the servers, and then there's the distance between the clients and the servers (if i understand correctly)
23:49 Peacock though i'd be interested if you could implement your ping for servers so server admins could know how bad a user's connection is
23:50 xyz germany, not russia
23:50 proller serverlist located in DE
23:51 Peacock my bad
23:51 Peacock though the ping is relative to the distance between the two points?
23:52 proller ping less than 200 is useless, it mean connection ok
23:52 proller ping more than 500 mean connection or server's connection thread is bad
23:53 Peacock well i was just wondering if it wouldn't be more practical for clients to ping servers themselves to get a more accurate reading
23:53 proller lag is moore intresting
23:53 proller yes, and openttd does server ping from client
23:53 proller also recieve fres server info
23:53 proller fresh
23:54 Peacock by openttd i assume you're not talking about the transport tycoon clone?
23:55 proller its not clone
23:55 Peacock (thats all im getting in google :P)
23:55 Peacock ok so you are talking about the game
23:55 proller yes
23:56 Peacock woah, reminds me of simcity 2k
23:56 kaeza OpenTTD ♥

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