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00:00 john_minetest I'd like to see more rivers ingame. Rivers look nice and add a lot to the game.
00:04 harrison paramat: do you understand the argument ?
00:05 deltib what's this "Fullbright option" mentioned in the TODO?
00:05 harrison enable that if you want to apply for a scholarship
00:09 paramat harrison: obviously not ;) you're interested in microtonal music? i made some and a video for it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBOxnO10KjE
00:09 blaise what block burns the longest?
00:11 paramat harrison: i converted this bass to quartertone frets and 8 strings http://i.imgur.com/fcP0Suy.jpg
00:11 paramat bbl
00:12 kaeza blaise, coal block IIRC
00:12 blaise I want to make a fireplace..
00:12 blaise is there animated smoke in minetest?
00:12 kaeza there was a mod that added smoke particles to torches
00:17 blaise hrmm
00:17 blaise someone on my server is requesting protector mod
00:17 blaise is that compatable with areas protector?
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00:24 stormchaser3000 ok i am on blaise
00:24 blaise :)
00:24 stormchaser3000 ok so the protector mod
00:24 stormchaser3000 the one i mentioned
00:24 stormchaser3000 is not as good
00:24 stormchaser3000 i used it and people hacked
00:25 blaise yeah, the areas protection locks entire area's down..
00:25 stormchaser3000 yeah
00:25 stormchaser3000 hmm
00:25 stormchaser3000 oh i had an idea
00:25 stormchaser3000 what about the irc mod
00:25 blaise I recently had to fit my chimney with a steel grate so people couldn't santa clause me and take my furnace.. XD
00:25 stormchaser3000 XD
00:26 * blaise looks for said irc mod
00:26 kaeza https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc
00:27 blaise eh, I think I might get in trouble for running a clone on freenode with that
00:28 blaise I only have one ip
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00:33 stormchaser3000 yeah
00:33 stormchaser3000 well what about the travel net mod
00:34 blaise rmm
00:35 blaise I have carts installed for transit..
00:35 blaise with technik mod, electrified rails..
00:35 blaise dunno how to build trains and cars yet though
00:36 blaise also, I've discovered underneath my house in the mountain is a very massive cavern
00:36 blaise it's very disturbing..
00:36 blaise I'm kind of afraid to go down there..
00:36 blaise stormchaser3000: I am interested in other mob mods
00:36 stormchaser3000 D: hope no dungeon masters spawn
00:36 stormchaser3000 hmm mobf?
00:38 blaise does mobf complement already installed mob mods?
00:38 blaise and, I never knew if there are native mobs without any mods...
00:40 stormchaser3000 there used to be
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00:46 stormchaser3000 hmm good mods
00:46 stormchaser3000 um
00:46 * stormchaser3000 looks at minetest.net
00:52 stormchaser3000 here is a good mod: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6407
00:53 EvergreenTree What is your definition of "good mod"?
00:53 stormchaser3000 idk
00:53 EvergreenTree it depends on what you're looking for
00:53 EvergreenTree or are you just browsing
00:53 stormchaser3000 a mod that adds a nice feature depending on the theme of the server or singleplayer world
00:54 stormchaser3000 yeah i am just browsing to help blaise
00:54 stormchaser3000 lol
00:54 stormchaser3000 he has a good server running
00:54 EvergreenTree what are you looking for blaise?
00:55 EvergreenTree what is the theme of your server?
00:55 EvergreenTree eg. pvp. survival, creative, technical etc
00:55 blaise technik, survival, city building
00:55 blaise eventually I would like large city's teaming together to take out the zombies that rise after dark
00:56 EvergreenTree mobf or simple mobs for the zombies
00:56 EvergreenTree I would say mesecons, but that is quite server intensive
00:56 blaise I have mesecons installed
00:57 blaise atleast, I thought I did
00:57 blaise I have mesecon blocks available......
00:58 blaise maybe that's just included in technik mod?
00:58 blaise the server is midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org if you care to take a look
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01:09 Darkangel Hey is it Minetest illegal to take a Mod EDIT the HOLY CRAP OUT OF IT and post it or something? or is that bad?
01:09 Peacock RMS might come to your house and rape you but it should be fine :-)
01:11 Darkangel k
01:15 ryukafalz Darkangel: check the license, if it's GPL release your own under GPL and you're fine
01:16 ryukafalz if it's MIT/BSD/similar keep the original copyright notices and you're also fine
01:16 PilzAdam bye
01:17 Darkangel kk
01:18 Darkangel I'ma gonna make me a NUCLEAR BOMB for Minetest surely not gonna look the same as TNT any more lol
01:20 blaise technik has a nuclear reactor
01:20 blaise you could cause it to melt down
01:21 Peacock the fukushima mod :P
01:22 Darkangel i c
01:23 Darkangel what is a way to make it to do sound effects b4 it expodes or so many seconds?
01:23 Darkangel explode*
01:23 Darkangel is a line of code for that?
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01:32 kaeza lol https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=124345#p124345
01:37 blaise is it possible to have cars and roads and stuff?
01:38 kaeza there's streets mod, and I think someone made a car recently
01:39 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7381
01:39 blaise sweet
01:39 blaise I put the cart mod on
01:39 blaise I wanna make a functional railroad
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01:51 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
01:51 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (305ms)
01:51 Megaf Oh yeah! Back to London baby
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02:01 blaise !up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org 30000
02:01 MinetestBot midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000 is up (275ms)
02:01 blaise :D
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02:09 Inocudom Freeminer would be a good way to test RealBadAngel's normal-generating patch.
02:10 Inocudom VanessaE doesn't seem to be interested in making noraml maps for her textures, perhaps because she is waiting for RealBadAngel's patch.
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02:13 Inocudom https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest/commit/a4​8d0e9bed5d478e1b9c468484eb81420ffed28b.patch-This is a link to the patch that he posted a few days ago.
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02:14 Inocudom Freeminer would be a good way to test RealBadAngel's normal-generating patch.
02:14 Inocudom https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest/commit/a4​8d0e9bed5d478e1b9c468484eb81420ffed28b.patch-This is a link to the patch that he posted a few days ago.
02:14 Inocudom https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest/commit​/a48d0e9bed5d478e1b9c468484eb81420ffed28b.patch
02:15 Inocudom Try the link above.
02:18 blaise I think Inocudom was a bot
02:24 Megaf !up megaf.no-ip.info 30000
02:24 MinetestBot megaf.no-ip.info:30000 is up (487ms)
02:25 Darkangel omg lol wow all most done didnt know editing a peace of Mod into something completely new - ish took so much work but good exp on doin new things =)
02:33 blaise !up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org 30000
02:33 MinetestBot midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000 is up (277ms)
02:44 blaise some dork is trying to use "Admin" as a username on my server
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02:50 Megaf Any idea on how to use streets mod traffic light?
02:52 Megaf digilines
02:52 Megaf ok
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03:12 OWNSyouAll Why dosen't minetest kick you off the server when it dies?
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03:35 blaise anyone know what the name is for diamond ?
03:35 blaise OWNSyouAll: I've wondered that myself..
03:41 NekoGloop because it can't
04:01 blaise wtf is a digg server ?
04:05 VanessaE one of the myriad servers that run digg.com? :P
04:06 Hirato someone should do a mobster impression, "You dig?"
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05:40 VanessaE whoa, cornernote is officially back?  cool.
05:40 Peacock ?
05:40 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=124125#p124125
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05:40 VanessaE (I'm a bit behind on the forums)
05:41 Peacock so he is
05:41 Peacock though he's popped into the chat before, so i guess well see how active he becomes :P
05:42 Peacock well/we'll
05:42 VanessaE yeah but this is the first I've seen of any intent to actually become active again.
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05:44 Peacock well thats good news :-) ready for the bad? :P
05:44 VanessaE ?
05:44 Peacock https://play.google.com/stor​e/apps/developer?id=Kevin.de
05:44 VanessaE saw that.
05:44 VanessaE not two days after the others get pulled and that ^^^^ shows up
05:44 VanessaE meh
05:44 Peacock thats what now, 3 different companies?
05:45 VanessaE yeah
05:45 Peacock (none of which seem to be registered or have an actual website)
05:45 Peacock the worldcraft one seems sketchy, the first screen looks MC, but the inv looks MT
05:47 Peacock im also kinda wondering what MC would do if they noticed :/
05:48 VanessaE *shakes head*
05:50 Peacock well maybe MC will go after the dev so you guys wont have to at least :P
05:50 VanessaE heh
05:50 VanessaE yeah but then that might raise their ire against use.....
05:50 VanessaE us*
05:51 Peacock well, the MC-like mods anyways, the game was designed to be a carbon copy
05:51 Peacock *wasn't
05:53 Peacock dunno, ever since that apple "look and feel" patent thing winning in the courts, ive worried about users reproducing the look and feel of MC lol
05:54 * VanessaE shrugs
05:54 VanessaE c55 already saw it, dunno what he plans to do about it though
05:54 Peacock more DMCAs i guess, though thatll take another 2 weeks to process
05:55 VanessaE Whack-a-Mole, round 2.
05:55 Peacock well, i called it :P
05:55 Peacock guy did it once with vicono -> playstarz
05:56 Peacock suddenly IDing clients doesn't sound like such a bad idea lol
05:56 Exio4 is releasing the source code that hard
05:56 VanessaE Exio4: apparently it must be a life-threatening action or something
05:57 Peacock so long as the guy packages adware...
05:58 Peacock i wonder if he uses the same affiliate ID (or whatever its called) to collect the ad monies
05:58 Exio4 they can make it a compile-time flag
05:58 Peacock compile-time flag.. for releasing source or?
05:59 Exio4 cmake -DAFID=12345abcd
05:59 Peacock oh to ID clients
05:59 Peacock well it has to be something you can't easily spoof
05:59 VanessaE which doesn't exist
06:00 Peacock might be worth taking a look at how punkbuster works
06:00 Peacock i know that when i install return to castle wolfenstein, + the patch for working audio, i can't login to most servers, because of the audio patch
06:01 Peacock (so i usually just play that game in W7 instead)
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06:04 Peacock i wonder if this 'Admin' guy logs in via proxies, im getting different locations each time
06:05 Peacock Russia, England, France, US, Philippines, Thailand lol
06:06 Exio4 how many IPs til Argentina
06:06 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6689143/
06:06 VanessaE Peacock: ^^^^
06:07 VanessaE note the filter in line 4
06:07 VanessaE this mod gets rid of most of the undesirable nicks you see on mt servers.
06:08 VanessaE written by kaeza and I
06:08 VanessaE and sfan5
06:08 Peacock well i can ban names i came up with that last spring :P im just wondering if its the same guy or different people going by the same name
06:08 VanessaE this doesn't ban
06:08 VanessaE this denies the connection outright.
06:08 VanessaE before even so much as an auth.txt entry or players/xxxxx file is created
06:09 Peacock yeah kaeza told me about the prejoin thing, didn't update my stuff for that though
06:10 Peacock you could probably eliminate 2 or 3 cases by simply banning anything with more than two digits in it
06:11 VanessaE nope
06:11 VanessaE there are a few legit users
06:11 VanessaE jojoa1997 for example
06:11 VanessaE babyface1031a
06:11 VanessaE and a few other
06:11 VanessaE s
06:11 Peacock its kinda ridiculous to use digits at all in a community this small
06:11 VanessaE plus I wanted to give unique responses based in the input
06:11 VanessaE and these filters are based on what people have actually been doing
06:12 Peacock mine banned anyone with more than two digits or connected from Brasil lol though i haven't copied that over to my latest game yet
06:12 Peacock (cuz of the prejoin update thing)
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06:13 Peacock though the BR's seem to have mellowed out since they got their own server where the admin speaks the language lol
06:15 Peacock i still get requests in german and other languages though lol i would have written a translation mod for the chat if the API access didn't cost $$$
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07:16 blaise hey, the areas protection mod I selected isn't going over so well with my userbase
07:16 blaise apparently people are inherently stupid and refuse to read directions
07:16 Peacock thats to be expected lol
07:16 Peacock you should see my server, it's like a demilitarized zone lol
07:16 blaise XD
07:17 blaise you know what I thought when mc first came out
07:17 Peacock ?
07:17 blaise there was a game called tribes2 which later became tribesnext after they made it free
07:17 blaise and there was a construction mod for it..
07:18 blaise and people would be building structures and stuff in the middle of a massive violent war
07:18 blaise pretty cool..
07:19 blaise anywho,
07:20 blaise I guess I need a list of protection mods... :\
07:21 blaise this one looks acceptable https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2800
07:21 VanessaE use the areas mod.
07:21 Peacock theres the block-based one that people seem to like
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07:31 blaise are they compatable with each other?
07:32 Peacock areas are areas, theres like a dozen mods for that
07:32 blaise also, the other day I found a mod that would provide restart countdown...
07:32 Peacock the block ones users set up themselves, which is probably why they like them
07:32 blaise can't remember what it was called and I can't find it
07:33 Peacock im still trying to figure out wtf minetest.request_shutdown() is supposed to do since it obviously doesn't shutdown my server lol
07:33 blaise lmao
07:33 blaise Node Owner is the mod I added recently
07:33 blaise like a few min ago
07:33 blaise but I would like a mod that will post countdown for restart
07:34 Peacock thats what i tried to do :P
07:34 Peacock it would warn people 60 seconds to shutdown or restart, minetest after kicks in, but request shutdown does nothing apparently
07:34 blaise ah, simple shutdown helper
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07:34 blaise found it
07:35 blaise Peacock: is that what you're looking at?
07:35 blaise I don't really care so much if it's functional to shut the server down..
07:35 Peacock nah i just wrote something on the fly, its half a dozen lines
07:35 blaise ah
07:36 xiong http://dev.minetest.net/Installing_Mods
07:36 Peacock wtf is that for lol
07:36 xiong Does a way exist to restore or simulate 0.4.6 behavior in this respect?
07:36 blaise Peacock: this thing is pretty awesome.. if globalstep is too big, it'll restart on it's own
07:36 Peacock not without installing 046
07:36 blaise https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6765
07:37 xiong I just want to load all mods in mods/ by default.
07:37 Peacock minetest.request_shutdown() <-- what i did , to no effect lol
07:38 Peacock guess it doesn't work in minetest.after
07:38 Peacock xiong id just make a game with those mods
07:39 Peacock and no, i dont know why they had to fuck around with the mod paths :P another fine example of autism lol
07:39 xiong Peacock, I considered it. There are issues with that -- I don't want to take over all the minetest_game mods, which is what, for example, technic_game does.
07:39 Peacock well copy the mods you want from any/all the games you want into the new game folder
07:39 xiong Maybe I should put all mods in an 'all' modpack and enable that.
07:39 Hirato you can still chuck everything inside mods - they're just not enabled by default :P
07:40 xiong Peacock, I do not want to do what technic_game does.
07:40 xiong Hirato, I don't want to chuck any mods.
07:40 Peacock ah well, bring your concerns to -dev, im sure they can find an even more convoluted way of doing things :P
07:41 xiong No thanks, convoluted enough now. ;)
07:42 Peacock every time i make a gamepack, i just copy default from minetest_game and forget the rest lol
07:42 Peacock blaise i think this is it: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2793
07:42 xiong I don't think I follow you, Peacock. What 'default' exactly do you mean?
07:43 Exio4 yay
07:43 Exio4 the recording/streaming was nice
07:43 Peacock the default mod, little use for the others (for me)
07:44 xiong Ah, that's what I thought you meant. Seems a bit strange to me, though. You are just using the engine, then, and creating a game from scratch, truly.
07:45 Peacock gamepacks are handy for having different combinations of mods
07:45 Peacock people used to just add their mods to minetest_game, but then it got bloated lol
07:45 xiong I'm not sure I'll be helping if I explain my point again. Do you see what technic_game does?
07:46 Peacock i dont have enough cores to run technic :P
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07:46 Peacock though i do have plans to get an octocore in 3-4 years
07:47 xiong https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic_game
07:47 Peacock by then we might have hexacores though :/
07:47 xiong I have no interest in running technic either. I'm looking at how they manage a 'game'.
07:47 xiong Check out mods/ and you will see what they did there.
07:48 Peacock could always symlink, that way your game pack is more or less in sync with minetest_game
07:48 xiong Okay, I'd better get back to work.
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08:09 kahrl Peacock: are you running a server started from the menu or minetestserver?
08:09 kahrl because request_shutdown only works in the latter case
08:09 Peacock that explains it
08:10 Peacock terminal -> minetest client (menu)
08:10 Peacock can't really run a server without keeping an eye on the little brats :P
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08:50 xiong Okay, I'm stalled on mod loading. The various obvious pages just don't explain it. I can't find docs for modpack at all.
08:52 xyz Peacock: we already have hexacores
08:52 xiong I have, for now, got a modpack with 'ui' in it; and also 'ui' by itself. Both are symlinks sitting inside ~/.minetest/mods/ and... weird stuff.
08:53 xiong If I enable both the modpack and the mod itself in world.mt... or I enable only the mod... I get the same console output, which tells me a mod conflict has been found.
08:54 xiong Is it true then that (a) mods/ itself and the contents of all modpacks, indiscriminately, are searched for enabled mods? and (b) entire modpacks cannot be enabled in world.mt?
08:55 xyz Peacock: you probably meant dodecacore but those already exist too http://ark.intel.com/products/75283/
08:55 xyz $2.6k only
08:56 Peacock ill get my chauffeur to swing by with the Rolls to pick it up :P
08:56 Peacock and here i am with a puny dualcore
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09:31 xyz NETSPLIT[TED] AWAY
09:31 MinetestBot midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000 is up (237ms)
09:31 Peacock that was like a big countdown lol
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09:31 Peacock for awhile there i was Lord Regent over six people XD
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09:33 VanessaE that was one hell of a netsplit too
09:33 VanessaE at least from my vantage
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09:35 Peacock someone's been cloning xyz's
09:36 xyz nah, I was trying to connect
09:36 xyz thought only one node got splitted away
09:36 xyz err, s/splitted/split/, english still too hard
09:36 Peacock love the hostname though :P
09:40 xyz chanserv still away
09:40 xyz and I guess services in general
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09:47 us_0gb Peacock: I imagine to get that hostname, xyz must control his own IP address. No ISP.
09:51 Peacock or has that cloaking device thingy
09:51 Hirato or just IPv6
09:51 Peacock or a magic unicorn
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09:52 Peacock im leaning towards the unicorn as the most plausible of explanations
09:52 Hirato !rainbow a magical unicorn named Peacock
09:52 MinetestBot 7a5 ma4gi6ca6l 6u7ni8corn5 n4a3m6e5d P5e2ac6o6c7k
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09:53 Hirato that rainbow's kind of lame, should really progress through 7 colours :P
09:54 Peacock seriously, and wtf kind of rainbow uses brown lol
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10:05 sfan5 us_0gb: I sometimes change my hostmask because there is no IPv6 reverse dns record for minetest.ru, it doesn't respond to me then
10:05 sfan5 s/then/in that case/
10:12 sfan5 Hirato: fork and pull request then
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10:18 xyz vp9 is the future of video encoding!
10:18 xyz http://i.imgur.com/jdetd6h.png
10:20 sfan5 VLC is the future of media players
10:20 sfan5 I mean it's terrible at network streaming
10:20 Hirato yikes, run for it sfan5!
10:21 sfan5 mpv plays anything fine with 5 MB/s dl over HTTP
10:21 sfan5 VLC demands more and fucks up the video
10:21 Hirato there's no need to be snide, VP9 obviously just has a built in Depth of Field filter
10:22 xyz mpv is the only true media player
10:22 xyz (at the time of writing this)
10:22 * sfan5 is glad his school at least uses VLC instead of relying on shit like WMP
10:23 xyz > vlc
10:23 sfan5 they won't switch because vlc is the player most teachers are familiar with
10:24 Hirato xyz: that screenshot does imply that h264 is running at over twice the bitrate
10:24 Hirato or what do those numbers mean?
10:25 xyz Hirato: well you didn't see the original one
10:25 xyz http://tctechcrunch2011.files.word​press.com/2014/01/vp9-bitrate.png
10:25 xyz I just enhanced it a bit
10:26 Hirato lol
10:26 Hirato did VP9 turn part of the kid's ear into the wallpaper? lol
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10:27 xyz they should at least compare with HEVC
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10:28 Hirato or darlah
10:29 xyz wtf is that
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10:29 Hirato WIP theora successor
10:29 xyz daala?
10:29 Hirato my bad
10:29 Calinou Daala
10:30 xyz I heard it's pretty bad and can't be compared with h264
10:30 Calinou it's not finished
10:30 Calinou it was only started a few months ago :P
10:32 sfan5 !g daala
10:32 MinetestBot sfan5: https://www.xiph.org/daala/
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10:32 xyz do you think it'll succeed?
10:32 xyz considering everyone will push hevc
10:33 Hirato google and mozilla might push daala if VP9 doesn't gain traction
10:33 Hirato but it looks like VP9 will gain traction
10:34 xyz look at this quality post I've stolen from /g/ http://i.imgur.com/xbmVMQy.jpg
10:34 Hirato talk about abnormally low jpeg settings
10:34 xyz so is there anything good about daala except it being patent-free (for now)?
10:35 sfan5 jpg with 10% quality FTW
10:35 sfan5 xyz: that post only shows that boobs are less nice with jpg :P
10:36 Hirato !g xkcd pixelated
10:36 MinetestBot Hirato: http://xkcd.com/598/
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10:41 xyz sfan5: you took it
10:42 Evolykane How do I use the MineTest cutscene system in a mod? Or does MineTest hasn't any?
10:43 sfan5 Evolykane: how about you read the documentation before you ask?
10:44 xyz "Minetest is a game in beta. The developers expect the users (testers) to have basic computing skills which include but are not limited to:"
10:44 sfan5 "Baking cookies"
10:44 Hirato "Charming Snakes"
10:45 Hirato "Dragon Whispering"
10:45 Hirato and of course "Caretaking howto of nyancats" :P
10:45 xyz applying a patch; compiling minetestserver in debug mode; running it under gdb; understanding how gdb works; understanding how to work with cores
10:53 Evolykane I don't have the time to check a whole API for a cutscene-System I know from Minecraft wich may doesn't exist in MT
10:54 Calinou there are cutscenes?
10:54 sfan5 Evolykane: 1) doesn't your browser have a search function 2) MC doesn't have one
10:55 Evolykane MC has one sfan5, have you ever coded a mod in MineCraft?
10:55 sfan5 lol, sure I did
10:55 Calinou Minecraft has no cutscenes either
10:55 Calinou it did have debug features for camera, but these are not in releases
10:55 Evolykane F.e. look at FTB
10:55 Calinou and they are not in recent snapshots eitheer
10:55 sfan5 *facepalm*
10:55 sfan5 FTB is heavily modded
10:56 sfan5 one of the mods adds a cutscene system
10:56 sfan5 MC doesn't have one by default
10:56 Evolykane I now, but the Mods use MCs Cutscene System
10:56 Evolykane surely by default
10:56 sfan5 ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING? I just said MC doesn't have one
10:57 sfan5 the minecraft wiki has no entry on cutscenes, so they don't exist
10:57 sfan5 http://minecraft.gamepedia.c​om/index.php?search=cutscene
10:57 Hirato cutscenes are lame anyway
10:58 sfan5 Evolykane: if there are cutscenes, please provide evidence
10:58 sfan5 s/,//
10:59 xiong Cutscenes are great. They're like teevee commercials; you have a chance to go pee.
11:00 Hirato HEUHEUHEUHEHEU
11:00 sfan5 >not having your computer, monitor, mouse & keyboard at your toilet
11:01 Hirato never watched southpark have you?
11:01 sfan5 me? no
11:01 sfan5 I assume what xiong said was a quote from south park
11:01 Hirato the episode's infamous; the WoW episode
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11:02 xiong No, sfan5; but I'm flattered, I guess.
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11:10 xyz sfan5: have a cute gif http://i.imgur.com/PxgBepj.gif
11:11 * sfan5 calms down and meows
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11:36 Megaf mods really does make the server absolutely slow
11:37 xyz wow, really?
11:37 Megaf Are you being ironic?
11:40 xyz :(
11:42 xiong Some mods more than others.
11:42 xiong Incidentally, I created an empty modpack in minetest_game and moved 'bones' in there; still works. I say the feature is just a shell.
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11:48 VanessaE anyone have any opinion on this:  http://www.ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/pe1.xml
11:48 VanessaE fewer cores but everything other feature blows my current VPS out of the water
11:49 VanessaE s/thing//
11:51 xyz never worked with ovh
11:52 xyz but there seems to be no raid?
11:52 VanessaE sadly, no.
11:53 VanessaE however with 2TB available, and about 50 times more bandwidth than I actually need, I could easily just back up to my local machine or something.
11:53 VanessaE (and software-RAID across multiple partitions)
11:53 VanessaE (or something)
11:54 xyz what's the point of that raid then?
11:54 specing whatever, its sold out
11:54 specing lol
11:54 xyz it's not
11:56 VanessaE xyz: I don't know a lot about RAID, really, but seems like some redundancy might be useful, in the event that some part of the disk goes bad (obviously that can't stop a whole-disk failure)
11:57 * VanessaE keeps that tab open and resumes searching,
11:57 specing xyz: it is
11:58 specing It says so for me
11:58 VanessaE where does it say that?
11:58 xyz guess they don't want to sell it to you
12:00 specing VanessaE: http://www.kimsufi.com/fr/#servers
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12:00 VanessaE ah that was the one y'all pointed to the other day
12:01 VanessaE if only I could *read* it :_)
12:01 specing VanessaE: do you understand the prices?
12:02 VanessaE more or less yeah
12:02 specing kimsufi is selling OVH's excess bandwidth
12:02 VanessaE nothing available in north america though :(
12:02 specing thin provisioning
12:02 xyz specing: what's this, she was talking about other server
12:03 xyz the one VanessaE linked to is available, and isn't even listed on your page
12:03 xyz because it's not kimsufi I guess
12:03 specing xyz: and, am I forbidden from suggesting other providers?
12:04 xyz well you said it's "sold out", didn't you?
12:04 specing it is
12:04 xyz it's not
12:04 xyz lol, this is so pointless
12:04 VanessaE maybe because I have Canada/NA selected
12:04 * VanessaE shrugs
12:05 VanessaE this is all virgin territory for me
12:05 specing Oh, I didn't have javascript enabled
12:05 xyz specing: http://i.imgur.com/BpHry7Y.png
12:05 xyz opinion discarded D:
12:06 specing http://i.imgur.com/OKPs8Ra.png
12:06 xyz well it says "calculating", can't you see it?
12:06 xyz wait for it or something
12:07 specing javasceript was off
12:07 xyz your fault
12:08 specing kimsufi used to have a 3.5 Eur/month dedicated dual-core atom server 0.o
12:08 specing it was sold out in 5 mins, lol
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12:31 VanessaE well I ordered it.
12:32 VanessaE hope this doesn't come back to bite me in the ass late.
12:32 VanessaE later*
12:34 specing proller: what happened to FreeHCK's residence @ Sky?
12:35 specing Its completely destroyed
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13:03 sacha__ hi there
13:04 sacha__ are there any online hunger game servers for minetest?
13:04 VanessaE there used to be one or two
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13:06 sfan5 "the organs would be subject to your perverse or otherwise mind" --https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=124426#p124426
13:06 john_minetest Hello everypony
13:06 sfan5 hi john_minetest
13:06 sacha__ VanessaE: does a hunger game server require any particular mods?
13:07 sacha__ or is it just a question to enable damage?
13:07 sfan5 sacha__: I have the hungry_games modpack on my server
13:08 john_minetest sacha__: Hover over the things in the "version, gameid, ..." tab at http://servers.minetest.net/ to see, what mods are in there.
13:09 sacha__ sfan5, john_minetest, VanessaE: thanks for the pointers :)
13:09 xyz aww that topic
13:09 xyz at least use spellcheck
13:10 sacha__ sfan5: what's the address of your server and can anyone join?
13:11 * sfan5 is surprised that mpv uses only 2MB/s while http streaming, while VLC fails with 5 MB/s available bandwidth
13:11 sfan5 !server hunger games
13:11 MinetestBot sfan5: Hunger Games | 79.235.43.232:30002 | Clients: 0/25, 14 | Version: 0.4.9 | ping: 0.749
13:11 sfan5 ^ sacha__
13:11 xyz what are you streaming?
13:12 Hirato the only potential difference, is that VLC doesn't cache what it streams for very long, if you seek backwards, it actually redownlodas those segments
13:12 Hirato which is kind of annoying
13:13 Hirato I only use it for streaming when youtube's fucking up anyway :P
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13:32 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
13:33 john_minetest hey
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13:40 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix bugs with multi-rules conductors (like crossing) that have param2 d5b39951a4 2014-01-04T05:15:41-08:00 http://git.io/tCULOA
13:44 Megaf Hello PilzAdam
13:44 Megaf I just came to a conclusion
13:44 Megaf minetest protocol is very good for single player and local hosting
13:45 Megaf and at the same time is the worst thing ever for multiplayer and remote server
13:45 Hirato considering how laggy it is, even in singleplayer, I have to respectfully disagree :p
13:45 Megaf also, mods do make minetest really slow
13:46 Megaf I did some tests with local server
13:46 Megaf I had lag with the server running on the very same machine
13:46 Megaf and a lot of lag
13:46 Megaf even with plenty of CPU and memory to spare
13:47 Megaf so again, its protocol its a piece of non working thing
13:47 Megaf Hirato, I guess you are correct
13:47 Hirato could just be transport I suppose
13:51 VanessaE some mods will slow minetest down, yes
13:51 VanessaE it really depends on which ones you run though
13:52 VanessaE a mod such as, let's say, moreblocks, won't have any effect at all
13:52 VanessaE or homedecor
13:52 VanessaE moreores will add some mapgen lag
13:52 VanessaE plantlife modpack, more trees will add more
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13:52 PilzAdam Nodetopia is really lightweight too
13:52 VanessaE mesecons, technic add some realtime lag IF they're running stuff like a complex circuit
13:53 Hirato I don't care; the server shouldn't take 3 secodns to respond to requests from localhost :p
13:55 VanessaE the server is mostly single-threaded.
13:55 VanessaE if Lua is busy, it can't process network packets
13:55 VanessaE it can't run the mapgen
13:55 VanessaE etc.
13:55 VanessaE to a certain degree anyway
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13:58 Megaf <VanessaE> the server is mostly single-threaded.
13:58 Megaf <VanessaE> if Lua is busy, it can't process network packets
13:58 Megaf <VanessaE> it can't run the mapgen
13:58 Megaf So thats the biggest problem
13:58 Hirato why not multithread it in a very simple way?
13:58 Megaf so I cave 8 XEON cores for nothing?
13:59 Megaf and HT
13:59 xyz yes
13:59 Hirato ie dig/place packets, do some simple validation and just distribute them to the other clients, and add them onto a worker queue
13:59 xyz can throw it away as well
13:59 Hirato the server can do it properly once it gets around to it
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13:59 xyz Hirato: you can't do this because you'll have to make Lua multithreaded
13:59 xyz and this is boring and no one will do that
13:59 VanessaE Hirato: the plan eventually is to do exactly this, but how that will be accomplished is anyone's guess
14:00 Hirato xyz: not the point, the Lua thread gets a queue of actions to process - this network thread doesn't care about that
14:01 Hirato it just keeps things responsive and gets back to the client later when their action has been processed
14:01 xyz Hirato: indeed, but you can't place a node without executing the on place callback
14:02 Hirato xyz: look at it this way: 1) client a sends a packet to dig node 13,12,4, in block xyz, he has permission to do it, so I'll put this in an action queue, and tell the other clients he did this
14:02 PilzAdam VanessaE, have you seen that I have fixed the bug you reported in stats?
14:03 xyz Hirato: you can't know if he has the permission to dig it without executing the Lua code
14:03 Hirato voila, the lua thread will process the action eventually, if there's gravel and other shit that needs to be simulated
14:03 VanessaE PilzAdam: I have but I have not had a chance to re-enable it
14:03 Hirato oh right.. the protected zones mods
14:04 Hirato anyway, the point is to just queue the action so the lua thread can process and properly validate it later
14:04 xyz you can't process it
14:05 VanessaE part of the problem is properly separating actions in one part of the map from actions taking place in some other part of the map too
14:05 Hirato but you're not actually processing it, ffs!
14:05 xyz you can't send anything to clients
14:05 Hirato you're queueing it for processing when the lua thread isn't busy processign liquids or whatever
14:05 xyz you don't know what should happen when you dig a node
14:06 VanessaE there's no reason that placing a node at 100,1,100 should cause any delay in processing events taking place 5 mapblocks away (or whatever the active mapblock range happens to be for a given server)
14:06 VanessaE (for example)
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14:07 xyz that's a bad example, what if on_place callback of such node tries to access that other node which is located 5 mapblocks away?
14:07 VanessaE xyz: then and *only* then should it lock the other mapblock.
14:07 VanessaE otherwise the other mapblock (and the events taking place therein) should continue blithely away
14:08 xyz "let's add race conditions because modding wasn't too hard!"
14:08 VanessaE of course this is all "big environment lock" territory
14:08 VanessaE not multithreading, as such
14:08 xyz you'll need to add locks to Lua, and a way to share data between Lua threads, at least
14:09 VanessaE that has been discussed already, as I recall
14:09 VanessaE it's messy, but something has to be done, for sure
14:09 Hirato xyz: it's not about being accurate on the clients, it's about giving them a rough idea AND KEEPING IT RESPONSIVE until the server gets around to processing their requests
14:09 VanessaE users will learn to avoid mods that just plain suck, and if they can't, that's their own faul
14:09 sfan5 >comparing 512px texture pack with 1px texture pack
14:09 sfan5 https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=124424#p124424
14:09 sfan5 wat
14:09 VanessaE fault*
14:09 xyz "has to be" is indeed a nice choice of words indeed
14:10 xyz indeed
14:10 xyz Hirato: i smell race conditions here as well
14:10 Hirato there's no reason it can't do coarse processing for things like, player a moved here, or b moved there, or c is placing this here while it's busy doing other things
14:11 Hirato network wise? embed timestamps, problem solved
14:12 Hirato sides, object/node placement is reliable, so those would arrive in order
14:12 xyz anyway, this doesn't solve the problem; the server will feel laggy anyway
14:13 xyz except for the simplest cases, but for that you can as well play -classic
14:14 Hirato you know what some other games do with lua?
14:14 Hirato they add limiters,
14:14 xyz they limit what exactly?
14:14 xyz time per step?
14:14 Hirato Arcanum for example, I think they limited loops to 250 iterations, and if the loop exceeded it, it would continue on the next frame or something like that
14:14 xyz we have something like that in FM
14:15 Exio4 more like "250 iterations and throw it away"
14:15 Exio4 iirc
14:16 Hirato it was something like that, it would resume, not resume and start over
14:16 Hirato I'm not too sure of details right now ^_^
14:16 Hirato basically throttled events that take too long so other parts don't get starved
14:16 xyz if ABMs take more than 100 ms or so we just break out of the processing loop
14:16 VanessaE you mean time slices.
14:16 xyz yes, that's what some of proller's patches do
14:16 VanessaE save the state of the Lua engine, shut it down, let the rest of the system run for a while
14:16 VanessaE then resume it
14:17 xyz although we can't just "stop" a function
14:17 xyz while it's executing
14:17 VanessaE xyz: strange, we had that shit figured out back in the 80's :)
14:17 Hirato as I said, these guys did it in the loop counter :P
14:18 xyz VanessaE: cool, but do you think those days everything is as simple as it was back then?
14:19 Hirato it ways its simpler with your new fangled abstractions and shit :P
14:19 VanessaE xyz: grammar FAIL....  sure, things were simpler back then.  But if we could figure it out then, what's stopping us from figuring those same things out now?  Did we forget the concept of preemptive multitasking?
14:21 xyz grammer feil where exactly?
14:22 VanessaE you probably "these days"
14:22 xyz ah, I see
14:22 VanessaE "those days" would be past tense, "these" is present tense.
14:23 xyz right
14:24 xyz well! the good thing is that nothing stops you from implementing stuff like that in Minetest
14:24 xyz anyway, I don't see how's that related to the discussion
14:24 VanessaE ...
14:24 VanessaE the discussion is about getting minetest to lag less under heavy, lua-related load, no?
14:24 xyz proller's thing with breaking out of lua processing between callback calls is good enough
14:25 Hirato tell that to freeminer's weather mod
14:28 proller you can disable weather and finite liquid
14:28 xyz I thought the only problem about it is related to how particles are implemented?
14:28 Hirato probably should
14:29 Hirato xyz: it's more than weather spawns liquid and this has a massive cascading effect of activating all the liquid blocks in the ocean
14:29 sfan5 ChanServ is gone!
14:29 sfan5 !op
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14:29 sfan5 ah goddamnit
14:29 VanessaE missed it by that | | much
14:30 proller liquids processing limites to 0.1s in every step
14:30 Hirato if it does that, then why do changes in my inventory take many seconds to be reflected?
14:31 Hirato ie, moving wood into the crafting grid
14:31 proller but it causes lighting recalc
14:31 proller enable profiler and show log
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14:31 Hirato don't you have the last one I gave you?
14:32 proller debug_log_level = 4                  profiler_print_interval = 10
14:32 proller no, i not recieved any
14:32 proller freeminer with 2 mob mods works on my ARM odroid without inventory lag
14:33 proller it 10x slower cpu than any i5-i7
14:37 Hirato https://dl.dropboxusercontent​.com/u/23891252/debug.tar.xz here's the old one on my dropbox
14:39 proller yes, you have 1-1.5s steps
14:40 proller how much cpu you have?
14:41 Hirato 3.2GHz
14:41 Hirato hexacore
14:41 proller mobs take 0.5-0.7s every step
14:42 Exio4 how much cpu? > frequency
14:42 Exio4 wut
14:43 xyz Server step: set the modified blocks unsent for all the clients took 717ms
14:43 * Hirato slaps Exio4
14:43 xyz feels a bit wrong
14:43 proller liquid_update = 5     liquid_send = 10     - maybe helpt bit
14:43 Hirato that debug.txt was from a debug build
14:44 proller try release, it can be 5-10x faster
14:44 Hirato it definitely is - it was a debug build because I needed debug symbols to track down this issue https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1051 :p
14:45 xyz hey, but there's a pull request now!
14:45 proller gles already disabled by default in FM
14:46 Hirato took long enough for it :P
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14:46 xyz was a very hard bug
14:47 Hirato it's very obvious something's not right in regards to the rain
14:47 Hirato suddenly TORRENT!! nothing TORRENT!! nothing TORRENT!! nothing
14:47 Hirato etc
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14:48 xyz well, I guess that's because of particles? although not too sure
14:48 sfan5 you are downloading torrents with minetest?
14:48 Hirato sfan5: -_-
14:48 Krock hi
14:48 xyz > jan 4 > still drunk
14:49 sfan5 xyz: I did not drink anything at new year
14:49 PilzAdam will be a good year
14:49 xyz > being intoxicated without drinking anything
14:49 Hirato he gets high on life
14:49 sfan5 it's the air
14:52 Hirato sudddenly it's pouring non-stop :o
14:53 xyz magic!
14:53 Hirato but jsut for a little while, haha
14:53 sfan5 unicorns
14:54 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fixes with multi-conductors that have special connects ae557d1cd4 2014-01-04T06:52:52-08:00 http://git.io/_Fw3zg
14:54 xyz oh well, it runs every step without limiting it in register_on_globalstep; I guess I should kill someone for doing that
14:55 Hirato https://dl.dropboxusercontent​.com/u/23891252/debug.txt.xz debug log with release
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14:55 xyz hmm... there should be a function to register callback to run every X seconds
14:55 Megaf_ VanessaE, ping
14:56 Hirato new map, default mods only
14:56 VanessaE pong
14:56 xyz it should also distribute them somehow because in current situation a lot of mods limit itself by running, say, every one second, so there's a chance that a lot of run at the same server step anyway
14:57 Hirato can always distribute them randomly
14:57 xyz of course
14:58 xyz why's "ABM apply" taking this long, it should be limited by some of stuff proller wrote
14:58 Hirato I guess the lighting's the big limiter
15:00 xyz ah, wait, it doesn't seem to be limited at all
15:00 xyz oh, no, it actually is
15:00 xyz reading code is sure a hard task
15:03 xyz ahh, I guess it's cumulative value, not per-step
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15:03 xyz "Run Map's timers and unload unused data took 873ms"
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15:04 Megaf_ VanessaE, It cant find the mods
15:04 Megaf_ 14:54:09: ERROR[main]: The following mods could not be found: "animated_f
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15:04 Megaf_ I could not find any mods
15:04 VanessaE Megaf_: you did something wrong then
15:05 Megaf_ I put everything in the mods folder, just as it was before
15:05 VanessaE I am using that build on five servers.
15:05 VanessaE it is a drop-in replacement
15:05 VanessaE no configuration changes were needed
15:05 VanessaE (ref: this is sapier's UDP fixes fork)
15:05 Megaf_ I copied  this way, cp -R oldserver/mods/* newserver/mods/
15:05 VanessaE that isn't enough
15:05 VanessaE you also have to configure your worlds etc etc too
15:05 Megaf_ and I copied the worlds folder too
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15:06 VanessaE an artifact of run-in-place
15:06 Megaf_ and I copied hte minetest.conf file
15:06 Megaf_ oh, I did something wrong
15:06 Hirato haha, you guys should do some QA on the non run-in-place stuff :P
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15:07 Hirato https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1048 this affects more things than you think, eg, mods in /usr/share/minetest/mods don't show up at all i nthe menu :P
15:08 Megaf_ VanessaE, can you please login and see if tis working?
15:08 Megaf_ Im on the move now
15:08 VanessaE not right now
15:09 Megaf_ !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
15:09 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (188ms)
15:09 Megaf_ 188 ms?
15:09 Megaf_ thats a new record
15:09 Megaf_ !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
15:09 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (199ms)
15:09 Megaf_ wow, the sapier's build is much better
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15:10 xyz Hirato: yeah that's true
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15:12 sfan5 !rainbow testtesttesttesttest
15:12 MinetestBot 4t7e8s3tt6es4t7t8e3st6te4s7t8t3es6t
15:12 sfan5 !rainbow Hirato: does this rainbow look better?
15:12 MinetestBot 4H7i8r3at6o:4 7d8o3es6 t4h7i8s3 r6ai4n7b8o3w 6lo4o7k8 3be6tt4e7r8?
15:14 xyz http://i.imgur.com/ZaL3Mgg.jpg
15:15 sfan5 that looks like it's from strike witches
15:15 Hirato 4I was7 thin8king9 mor2e like t6his!
15:16 sfan5 xyz: am i correct?
15:16 Hirato but yes, it does look better :)
15:17 xyz sick pedo D:
15:17 sfan5 me?
15:17 Hirato speak for yourself, he who must see his lolis in perfect detail with CCCP :D
15:18 * Hirato bolts
15:18 sfan5 lol, I did not watch strike witches
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15:19 xyz I don't have Windows so no CCCP for me
15:20 Hirato 4so sf7an5, i8s this9 a bit2 TOO gay for6 you? ;)
15:21 sfan5 eh, no
15:21 Hirato it's a pretty pretty rainbow :D
15:22 sfan5 !rainbow testtest test test t e s t; rainbow nyan kitty meow nyan~
15:22 MinetestBot 4t4e4s7t7t7e8s8t8 3t3e3st t6e6s6t t 4e4 4s7 7t7;8 8r8a3i3n3bow 6n6y6an k4i4t4t7y7 7m8e8o8w3 3n3yan~
15:22 sfan5 what about that?
15:22 Hirato oooh, I like
15:24 xyz sfan5: so what are you watching?
15:24 sfan5 look at myanimelist pls
15:25 sfan5 I only torrented ep 9 of boku wa tomodachi ga sukinai and it's seeding like shit
15:25 xyz no, I mean, like, from the new season that's coming
15:25 sfan5 4.1 ratio
15:25 sfan5 dunno
15:25 Hirato dunno, nothing really caught my eye aside from space-dandy
15:26 Hirato I'll probably check out Wizard Barristers and Noragami at least
15:26 sfan5 I usually decide spontaneously what to watch
15:28 john_minetest !rainbow dash
15:28 MinetestBot 4d4a4s7h
15:29 john_minetest !rainbow Modelleisenbahngleisteilwärtermützenaufrech​thalterregenbogengeneratorschmierölstutzen!
15:29 MinetestBot 4M4o4d7e7l7l8e8i8s3e3n3bahn6g6l6eist4e4i4l7w7ä7r8t​8e8r3m3ü3tzen6a6u6frec4h4t4h7a7l7t8e8r8r3e3g3enbo6​g6e6ngen4e4r4a7t7o7r8s8c8h3m3i3eröl6s6t6utze4n4!
15:29 xyz lol, the first ep got leaked already
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15:30 Hirato "dash" with I suggested would probably look like this: 4d7a9sh
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15:31 sfan5 wait.. they want to show suisei no gargantia on 4th jan? thats today..
15:32 sfan5 s/ on/2 on/
15:32 Hirato lol
15:32 Hirato they dropped the ball so hard for the first season after the second episode
15:32 meldrian john_minetest, best word ever
15:33 john_minetest meldrian: I should note the words down. I made much longer ones before.
15:33 Hirato !rainbow hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia
15:33 MinetestBot 4h4i4p7p7o7p8o8t8o3m3o3nstr6o6s​6esqu4i4p4e7d7a7l8i8o8p3h3o3bia
15:34 sfan5 !rainbow I like cookies
15:34 MinetestBot 4I4 4l7i7k7e8 8c8o3o3k3ies
15:35 Hirato !rainbow I'll eat your pudding
15:35 MinetestBot 4I4'4l7l7 7e8a8t8 3y3o3ur p6u6d6ding
15:35 sfan5 D:
15:35 john_minetest !rainbow EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE[x]:3  NYAN!
15:35 MinetestBot 4E4E4E7E7E7E8E8E8E3E3E3EEEE6E6E6EE​EE4E4E4E7E7E7E8E8E8E3E3E3[x]:6​36 6 NYA4N4!
15:35 john_minetest That's nyan cat btw.
15:35 sfan5 E?
15:36 john_minetest E is the fullest character I can make
15:36 sfan5
15:36 Hirato not very creative eh
15:36 john_minetest !rainbow
15:36 MinetestBot 4R4a4i7n7b7o8w What?
15:37 john_minetest ЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖ|[x]:З
15:37 john_minetest !rainbow ЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖЖ|[x]:З
15:37 MinetestBot 4Ж4Ж4Ж7Ж7Ж7Ж8Ж8Ж8Ж3Ж3Ж3ЖЖЖЖ6Ж6Ж6|[x]4:4З
15:37 john_minetest That looks better
15:37 sfan5 !rainbow ☐☐☐☐☐☐☐☐☐☐☐☐☐☐☐☐☐☐[x]:3  NYAN!
15:37 MinetestBot 4☐4☐4☐7☐7☐7☐8☐8☐8☐3☐3☐3☐☐☐☐6☐6☐6☐[x]4:4​34 7 7N7Y8A8N8!
15:39 Hirato !rainbow ䷀䷁䷂䷃䷄䷅䷆䷇䷈䷉䷊䷋䷌䷍䷎䷏䷐䷑䷒䷓䷔䷕䷖䷗䷘䷙䷚䷛䷜䷝䷞䷟䷠䷡䷢䷣䷤䷥䷦䷧䷨
15:39 MinetestBot 4䷀4䷁4䷂7䷃7䷄7䷅8䷆8䷇8䷈3䷉3䷊3䷋䷌䷍䷎6䷏6䷐6䷑䷒䷓䷔​4䷕4䷖4䷗7䷘7䷙7䷚8䷛8䷜8䷝3䷞3䷟3䷠䷡䷢䷣6䷤6䷥6䷦䷧䷨
15:39 sfan5 !rainbow unicode yay!
15:40 MinetestBot 4u4n4i7c7o7d8e8 8y3a3y3!
15:40 Hirato !rainbow ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■​■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■
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15:40 Hirato :D
15:41 john_minetest !rainbow ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■​■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■[Ж]:3 NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN!!!
15:41 MinetestBot 4■4■4■7■7■7■8■8■8■3■3■3■■■■6■6■6■■■■4■​4■4■7■7■7■8■8■8■3■3■3■■■■6■6■6■■■■4■4■​4■7■7■7■8■8■8■3■3■3■■■■6■6■6■[Ж]4:4​34 7N7Y7A8N8 8N3Y3A3N NY6A6N6 NYA4N4 4N7Y7A7N8 8N8Y3A3N3 NYA6N6
15:42 xyz !rainbow /人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\
15:42 MinetestBot 4/4人4◕7 7‿7‿8 8◕8人3\
15:42 Megaf back
15:42 Hirato make the nyancat some random braile
15:43 Hirato !rainbow ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■​■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■[⡚⢕]:3 NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN
15:43 MinetestBot 4■4■4■7■7■7■8■8■8■3■3■3■■■■6■6■6■■■■4■4​■4■7■7■7■8■8■8■3■3■3■■■■6■6■6■■■■4■4■4■​7■7■7■8■8■8■3■3■3■■■■6■6■6■[⡚⢕4]4:4​37 77N8Y8A8N3 3N3YAN 6N6Y6AN N4Y4A4N7 7N7Y8A8N8 3N3Y3AN N6
15:43 Hirato eh? truncated?
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15:49 Hirato DATABASE! JUST LIVIN IN THE DATABASE!
15:51 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=124479#p124479
15:51 PilzAdam this is like the 10th topic about this
15:51 PilzAdam will he ever stop creating new ones?
15:51 Hirato lolwut
15:52 Hirato I'm going to have to pause my anime to read this
15:55 Hirato that was weird
15:55 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix crash if metarule not found b3f3692622 2014-01-04T07:51:52-08:00 http://git.io/olJY7Q
15:55 Hirato 7/10 - better writing than Square Eniz
15:55 john_minetest What the...
15:55 john_minetest I don't think that that stuff is right on the forums.
15:55 john_minetest since it is not suitable for children.
15:58 xyz somebody should make a backup of this thread
15:58 xyz Hirato: you watching the databait thingy?
15:58 Hirato roggu horaizon
15:59 xyz john_minetest: it says not to read if you're under 18
15:59 Megaf !seen sapier
15:59 MinetestBot Megaf: sapier was last seen at 2014-01-02 02:49:00 UTC on #minetest
15:59 Megaf That's it not really easy to read
15:59 Megaf I would prefer something like x days and x hours ago
16:00 sfan5 nom nom nom nom
16:00 Hirato it's pretty easy to read, he was last seen 2 days and 14 hours ago
16:01 Hirato ~ish
16:02 Megaf vanessa, still lagged]
16:02 Megaf but less lagged
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16:08 xyz john_minetest: it's not written anywhere that forums are suitable for children
16:10 xyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8200
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16:13 xyz i think some people in our community have their goal set to not allowing others to have fun
16:13 PilzAdam its not written that the forums are not suitable for childreen
16:16 xyz following this flawed logic we can also say that it's not written anywhere that posting images is allowed
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16:19 hoodedice So
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16:21 hoodedice https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8202
16:21 hoodedice What do you say?
16:21 hoodedice *you all
16:21 hoodedice *whoever is here
16:23 Hirato 7/10 - Better writing than Square-Enix
16:23 hoodedice -.-
16:23 hoodedice I don't want you to rate the writing
16:23 Hirato I expect my doritos in the mail
16:23 hoodedice Are we a kid-friendly site, or not?
16:24 hoodedice Can we tolerate words like 1300135 or ICUCICU?
16:25 Calinou hoodedice, Jordach's prayers have been executed!
16:25 Calinou Minetest rule 34!
16:25 * Calinou runs
16:25 sfan5 plol
16:25 hoodedice lolwut?
16:25 Hirato there's minecraft fanfic with creeper going sssssssssss-SPLURT
16:25 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix when there are several rules with different specials fb417d45a7 2014-01-04T08:22:04-08:00 http://git.io/eUeFlQ
16:25 hoodedice That's minecrap
16:25 Hirato beside the point :D
16:25 Calinou Hirato, suddenly, MLP
16:26 hoodedice We are Minetest. We are powered by the community, and it the most important and powerful thing we have
16:26 xyz our community consits of very creative people who create very different things
16:26 Hirato the ONLY female miner, when the creeper's done with her, then all the male miners find her and an orgy ensued, was glorious and really funny
16:26 hoodedice Gross.
16:26 Hirato I know
16:27 Hirato now I miss sgc_meltdown :(
16:27 hoodedice How can people even think in that direction, and enjoy writing that shit?
16:27 Calinou don't try to fight the "porn is art" people
16:27 xyz Hirato: you forgot something
16:27 Calinou you never win :P
16:27 hoodedice XD
16:27 Calinou hoodedice, it's fun to do sometimes
16:27 Hirato xyz: of course, the gay masterchief fanfic he posted alongside it!
16:27 xyz Hirato: no, the link
16:27 Hirato I don't have it, haha
16:27 hoodedice xyz XD
16:28 hoodedice You evil fellow
16:28 Hirato I'll see if I can at least find the post that shared it on the dex
16:28 hoodedice sfan5: #minetest is nsfw atm again!
16:28 Calinou anyway the fanfic is not that original
16:28 Calinou it's the usual "oh, my pick is hard"
16:28 hoodedice "Your cave is huge"
16:28 Hirato oh wow... page 296 of a 774 page thread
16:28 hoodedice Gross. I have dropped myself to that level
16:29 sfan5 D:
16:29 hoodedice Anyway, do we need to moderate such stuff?
16:29 hoodedice Kids do get onto the site...
16:29 Calinou it's in a spoiler
16:29 Hirato http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?t​hreads/second-best-thread-ever-part-3-occa​sionally-nsfw.57009/page-296#post-2071936 I don't know where he got them
16:30 hoodedice And "18 PLUS, GO AWAY" is only gonna enhance their curiosity to check it out
16:30 Hirato minecraft thing's at the very bottom
16:30 Hirato I never did read any of the other fanfics he posted
16:30 Hirato that one took a big neough toll on my sanity
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16:32 hoodedice_ Damn you, internet explorer!
16:32 Calinou internet exploder/exploiter
16:32 hoodedice_ And stupid gestures!
16:32 Hirato xyz: ^^^
16:32 Hirato I want an inori explorer :3c
16:32 xyz that's too fat
16:32 hoodedice_ IE10 is nice though
16:32 Calinou it still sucks
16:33 hoodedice_ I tried to close ONE tab by up-to-down gesture, but closed the entire thing by mistake
16:33 Calinou Ctrl+W, the end
16:33 hoodedice_ Can someone kikc the *other* hoodedice
16:33 xyz well, I guess they're better at drawing cute girls than making web browsers
16:34 hoodedice_ minetestbot!
16:35 Hirato http://www.internetexplore​rtan.com/home/crying.html how can you be so mean to her!
16:36 hoodedice_ NOt cute enough
16:36 Hirato I'll defeat the internet demons with the power of... HTML5 video
16:36 Hirato what
16:37 hoodedice_ Anywayy
16:37 hoodedice_ Nipponese crap aside
16:37 sfan5 >Nipponese
16:37 sfan5 wut
16:37 Hirato lol
16:37 hoodedice ARE WE A KID FRIENDLY SITE OR NOT?
16:37 Hirato this was made in Singapore
16:37 hoodedice Nippon = Japan
16:37 hoodedice in Japanese
16:38 Hirato again, this was made in singapore :p
16:38 sfan5 ah, right almost forgot
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16:38 hoodedice Again, I know
16:38 hoodedice Again, anime is Japanese stuff
16:39 hoodedice Manga, whatever
16:39 hoodedice It would have been nice, if not for the (c)Microsoft
16:40 * sfan5 imagines Google Chrome as female anime character
16:40 hoodedice Microsof should stop trying so hard.
16:40 xyz hoodedice: yes, it's a pedo shit for kids
16:40 xyz anime is
16:40 Calinou sfan5, as a pony :3
16:40 hoodedice Indeed
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16:41 * Hirato buys the squirming hoodedice a dakimakura for christmas
16:41 sfan5 I want one too >.<
16:41 sfan5 !rainbow PilzAdam is Calinou's favourite pony
16:41 MinetestBot 4P4i4l7z7A7d8a8m8 3i3s3 Cal6i6n6ou's4 4f4a7v7o7u8r8i8t3e3 3pony
16:41 * hoodedice googles dakimakura
16:41 xyz go buy it then?
16:41 rubenwardy Hi all
16:41 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=124487#p124487
16:41 hoodedice !g dakimakura
16:41 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakimakura
16:41 sfan5 hi rubenwardy
16:42 Hirato sfan5: here's the firefox one at least http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/image/1156 :D
16:42 hoodedice hey ruben
16:42 hoodedice Again, explorer is cuter, hirato
16:43 Hirato xyz: did you read that fanfic :D
16:43 xyz Hirato: that's too deep, can you explain? is she too stupid for an email or what?
16:43 sfan5 Hirato: but IE should have the smallest boobs :P
16:43 hoodedice =.=
16:43 xyz dfc?
16:43 xyz you sick pedo
16:43 hoodedice He used the B-word! O.O
16:44 Hirato xyz: that comic? it's a joke, based on the whole "IE is only good for downloading other browsers" thing
16:44 xyz Hirato: not yet
16:44 sfan5 xyz: it's a joke
16:44 xyz Hirato: ah, I see
16:44 hoodedice And so again, #minetest becomes nsfw atm
16:44 Calinou hoodedice, I don't see "boobs" as offensive personally
16:44 Calinou we should still try to avoid in depth nsfw discussions
16:44 hoodedice I am not talking about offensive
16:44 Calinou try to take it to a PM, or a random channel
16:44 xyz boobs are offensive
16:45 Calinou I don't think it's a bad word either :P
16:45 hoodedice The thing I'm worried about is this
16:45 xyz all people having them should be separated from the society
16:45 hoodedice Okay, say this 8 year old kid sees the word boobs on this IRC, or on the forums
16:45 harrison breasts are a natural part of life
16:45 hoodedice Thank you Jordach
16:46 Hirato that minetest fanfic - Someone should just respond with "8.5/10 - Better writing than Square-Enix. I expect my dewritos in the mail" :D
16:46 hoodedice And said kid asks his mom
16:46 hoodedice "Mommy, mommy, what are boobs?"
16:46 xyz hoodedice: how old are you?
16:46 hoodedice Will that have a good impression of the community on that mother?
16:46 Hirato any 5 year old know what boobs are -_-
16:46 hoodedice I'm 18
16:47 xyz Hirato: for some reason the second panel reminded me of http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010​/017/6/1/Gadget_by_PostNuclearNeko.png
16:47 hoodedice Hirato, I don't know about you, but I didn't get any sort of private 'part talk' till I was 13
16:47 harrison mommy mommy! turn on your headlights! there's a scake in the grass!
16:47 harrison snake
16:47 hoodedice That's another gross joke there
16:48 hoodedice but thanks of reminding me of mmy nightmares harrison
16:48 hoodedice *for
16:48 Hirato hoodedice: so you're saying that on their 13th birthday it's suddenly: 'OMG I HAVE A PENIS! OMG I HAVE A FUCKING PENIS! PENIS! LOLOLOL!"
16:48 xyz I know, right? stop sexualizing Minetest-tan already
16:48 hoodedice No, I was talking about me
16:48 sfan5 xyz: http://i.imgur.com/i10hAyL.png
16:49 specing Hirato: you are wrong
16:49 nore http://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?title=Talk:Mai​n_Page&amp;curid=499&amp;diff=2065&amp;oldid=2064 <-- wiki was spammed again
16:49 specing Hirato: IE is *EXCELLENT* at downloading other browsers ;P
16:49 Hirato specing: ......
16:49 hoodedice thank you, Jirato for spamming the wiki
16:50 hoodedice *hirato
16:50 nore ^ any moderator: you should ban that IP address...
16:50 Hirato impossibru, I don't even have any minetest accounts
16:50 sfan5 nore: Calinou is admin at the minetest wiki, isn't he?
16:50 nore no idea
16:51 Calinou I'll check
16:51 nore no: only Blockmen, ShadowNinja and xyz are admins
16:52 hoodedice Translated on googe translate
16:52 Calinou xyz, Minetest-tan?
16:52 xyz yeaj
16:52 hoodedice The only thing I get is "BlizzCoin, game, 50 years, Sri Lanka"
16:52 xyz "Me and Borus are making minetest fanfics, hopefully we do not get banned in the process."
16:52 Calinou no, I am not admin sorry, nore
16:52 Calinou xyz, maybe I could be made admin of wiki.minetest.net and dev.minetest.net
16:53 Calinou to block spammers :P
16:53 xyz maybe
16:53 sfan5 Calinou: s/block/node/
16:53 Calinou encase them in nodes
16:54 xyz done
16:54 hoodedice Anyway, what do we do about nsfw stuff for now?
16:54 hoodedice Ignore it?
16:54 specing theres nsfw stuff?
16:54 hoodedice *bordering nsfw*
16:55 Hirato some really lame fanfic
16:55 specing damn
16:55 specing I was expecting naked women
16:55 xyz hey don't be mean
16:55 Calinou I don't know, but personally, I would not touch it
16:55 hoodedice I would expect them to do this elsewhere
16:55 hoodedice At least the main site would be on the safe side
16:56 Hirato I don't care, but you probably don't want such degenerates congregating here :P
16:56 hoodedice Haha indeed
16:56 hoodedice Kids + Porno people
16:56 hoodedice Not a good idea.
16:56 Hirato not for that reason
16:56 xyz it says it's 18+, i don't see any problem here
16:56 Hirato have you even see the paradoc boards? or loverslab?
16:57 Hirato oh wow, thread still exists
16:57 xyz we aren't a kids-oriented site and I'm not feeling like parenting
16:57 * specing sends xyz to the kindergarden
16:57 * Hirato redirecte specing to http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthre​ad.php?738475-Why-can-t-one-castrate-female
16:57 hoodedice We aren't but the thing we are making here, is a game that is so fucking innocent
16:58 sfan5 !tite
16:58 hoodedice My 4 year old brother plays it
16:58 sfan5 !title
16:58 xyz no dirty jokes allowed
16:58 MinetestBot sfan5: Why can't one castrate female?
16:58 Hirato sfan5: you honestly couldn't tell from the URL?
16:58 sfan5 Hirato: I was hoping it contained more useful info
16:58 specing Hirato: lol
16:58 Hirato haha
16:58 sfan5 useful -> how many pages, posts, etc.
16:59 hoodedice I don't want kids to see all that stuff. Even when Jordach used the word "Voxel boobs", I was gonna scream out in agony
16:59 specing LOL
16:59 Hirato hey babe, check out my depressable blocks
17:00 hoodedice -.-
17:00 Calinou xyz, thanks for the wiki
17:00 hoodedice Maybe I should take this up with celeron-55...
17:00 xyz Hirato: nice link, saved and reposted
17:00 hoodedice Or maybe Blockmen
17:00 Hirato xyz: you don't even want to see loverslab
17:00 Calinou hoodedice, he's not really active anymore, and has better things to do than admin a forum and do politics
17:01 Calinou Hirato, loverstair
17:01 hoodedice I think Neuromancer would have something so say about this...
17:01 Calinou More Blocks adds loverpanels and lovermicroblocks.
17:01 Hirato xyz: so much aspie rage about doing anatomically correct models for skyrim's furry and lizard races...
17:01 Calinou hoodedice, don't "pick" people for their opinions, that's what you're doing obviously :P
17:01 hoodedice Of course
17:01 hoodedice !
17:01 hoodedice (lol)
17:01 hoodedice What do you expect I'm doing here?
17:02 john_minetest !rainbow Rainbow!
17:02 MinetestBot 4R4a4i7n7b7o8w8!
17:02 hoodedice I'm trying to *moderate* the site.
17:02 hoodedice I don't even know why I'm doing this?
17:02 hoodedice why?
17:03 Hirato just get rid of it, or point and laugh
17:03 Hirato I don't care
17:04 Megaf !rainbow Nobody cares]
17:04 MinetestBot 4N4o4b7o7d7y8 8c8a3r3e3s]
17:04 xyz if we get rid of it right now they won't produce any more chapters; I also can't understand why get rid of it in the first place
17:04 Calinou nopony cares* Megaf :P
17:05 rubenwardy Move to offtopic?
17:05 Hirato at the very least it's guaranteed lulz
17:05 hoodedice I don't want it to be gotten rid of
17:05 Calinou it could go to Offtopic
17:05 Hirato but I'd say as a policy, ding dong bannu anyone who joins only to mainly write terrible fanfic
17:05 hoodedice Yeah, moving to offtopic would be best
17:06 Calinou "Offtopic is anything that is NOT related to Minetest, or at least cannot fit on any other section on this forum."
17:06 xyz Hirato: let's hope it gets better after the first chapter, shall we?
17:07 xyz minetest-related projects
17:07 hoodedice I don't want to stop anyone from writing fanfics, nor do I want them to write something so expletive, I'd rather have my brothers playing something else
17:07 Hirato haha
17:07 john_minetest They should just make one minetest fanfiction site.
17:08 john_minetest With a big banner "not for children" and then you have to click "OK"
17:08 hoodedice And that's just what I wanted to  say all along! Thank you john_minetest
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17:08 hoodedice And if they want, I can make it for them, weebly-based, that is.
17:08 john_minetest I don't really care about that stuff and stopped reading after a few lines because it is ridiculous.
17:09 xyz you at least should watch 3 episodes or so
17:09 john_minetest But I think the forums should stay children-safe.
17:09 hoodedice haha, yeah, but we do have a lack of readable fanfics
17:09 rubenwardy [mt-related-proj]  This forum section is for discussing:
17:09 rubenwardy ....  Your art, tributes, etc
17:10 Calinou sounds good then, moved
17:10 hoodedice Hmm, now, at least kids without accounts can not see that
17:10 hoodedice I can now RIP
17:10 xyz no, they will be able to
17:10 xyz Calinou: you only moved the first part
17:11 Calinou only Offtopic requires to be registered
17:11 Calinou oh, the prologue too
17:11 hoodedice How? Offtopic requires an account
17:13 Calinou it's in Minetest-related projects
17:14 hoodedice oh dam
17:14 Calinou why would you have to register for that
17:14 hoodedice I thought you moved to offtopic
17:17 hoodedice Well, I think I should rest my case for the time being
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17:18 hoodedice cya later peeps
17:19 xyz nice, we can continue having fun now that he's gone
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17:20 xyz http://support.microsoft.com/kb/168702
17:21 xyz If you move your mouse pointer continuously while the data is being returned to Microsoft Excel, the query may not fail. Do not stop moving the mouse until all the data has been returned to Microsoft Excel.
17:21 sfan5 wtf
17:21 Hirato 1997
17:24 john_minetest "XL97: Daten hat nicht von Query mit ORACLE-Datenquelle"
17:24 Hirato sieg heil
17:24 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/74249/ :)
17:24 john_minetest seems they use google translator to translate those pages
17:24 Megaf VanessaE, http://paste.debian.net/74249/
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17:24 Hirato but Bing Is Not Google!
17:25 john_minetest Megaf: You should get the thread count with the script.
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17:25 Megaf john_minetest, what do you mean?
17:26 Hirato my script looks less cool
17:26 Hirato but it builds a lot of Arch packages :D
17:26 Megaf Hirato, I used to rebuild my server really often, now this script does saves me some time
17:26 john_minetest You call "make -j4". I think it is possible to get the 4 from /proc/cpuinfo with grep and line counting. (There is some command to count lines.)
17:27 Megaf I have also a script to backup my server and one to update it
17:27 Hirato I just type makepkg and it builds the entire thing for me, fresh checkouts and all
17:27 rubenwardy I vote that a Minetest builds forum section is added.
17:27 rubenwardy Not that I have any votes
17:27 Hirato hmmm, homedecor and plantlife have recursive depends?
17:27 Hirato ugh... those are SO very annoying with arch
17:27 Megaf john_minetest, actually I found that -j 4 is perfect, I tried with more than that but then the building might fail
17:27 Hirato building fail? lolwut
17:28 Hirato if anything, more owuld make it slower if you have inadequate CPU resources
17:28 Megaf yep, make will just stops
17:28 xyz wat
17:28 Megaf then if you rerun it will continue normally
17:28 Megaf That's pretty weird actually
17:28 Hirato u wot m8
17:28 Calinou john_minetest, make -j$(grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo)
17:28 Calinou :)
17:29 xyz Calinou: not portable
17:29 Hirato implying this is
17:29 Megaf and my script is pretty portable I think
17:30 Megaf well, let me work on my backuper and updater script
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17:32 Calinou xyz, why not?
17:33 Hirato because WINDAZ
17:33 xyz Calinou: it didn't work on freebsd or something *bsd
17:34 rubenwardy he means cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE; make -j$(grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo)
17:34 rubenwardy $(grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo) i guess returns a number
17:35 Megaf this cpuinfo stuff is a Linux stuff
17:35 rubenwardy Oh
17:35 rubenwardy You mean the script, not the build it produces, sorry.
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17:45 john_minetest -j8 works best for me since I have got 8 threads.
17:46 harrison i got 8 arms & 8 glocks / don't mess with the glocktopus
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17:47 kaeza I got a Pancor Jackhammer, your argument is invalid
17:47 john_minetest https://2.gravatar.com/avatar/f6b54c66f8​8780607eca6e6835632626?d=https%3A%2F%2Fi​denticons.github.com%2Fc6d797da8501b5117​4bd468d12076780.png&amp;r=x&amp;s=440
17:47 kaeza also, greetings
17:48 rubenwardy Hi :P
17:49 xyz Hirato: nice read
17:50 Hirato what can I say, meltdown knew quality whe nhe saw it
17:50 Hirato I miss him, he's been missing since late 2012
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18:05 iqualfragile sfan5: "plus it makes the explicit sensory scenes, interestingly creative" :D that guy is a texting genious
18:05 sfan5 I think that comma is misplaced
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18:15 Darkangel ima Newbie to this stuff but can some 1 help me on a Mod i tryed every thing and i dont know what i did wrong
18:15 Hirato xyz: so.. I might have pasted that minetest fanfic there :D
18:19 xyz Hirato: nice this will only make our community look stupid
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18:20 xyz well not like it doesn't already
18:20 xyz all those kids and shit
18:20 Hirato meh, we're a bunch of elitist faggots that hate everything anyway :P
18:20 Calinou that's true
18:21 Inocudom I recently made a post about how Freeiner could have RealBadAngel's normal-generating patch in it to test it. The post got some support for community members.
18:21 Hirato it mostly works
18:21 xyz Inocudom: could be added
18:21 Hirato just a few corner cases with the override_normal
18:22 Hirato ANd parallax mapping
18:22 xyz then he adds another fix and squashes commits and then rebases on minetest master and suddenly problems
18:22 Inocudom You can ask RealBadAngel about it and how to include it if you don't know how to. RealBadAngel needs people to test it.
18:23 Hirato do it in a branch
18:23 Hirato freeminer/RBA-normals
18:23 Inocudom Glad to hear that, xyz. I am sure RealBadAngel and others will be very grateful.
18:23 xyz Hirato: then how different is that?
18:24 xyz we want people to test it that's why he asked to merge this feature into master branch
18:24 Hirato you can erase the branch when he merged it into minetest and would've otherwise caused issues
18:24 sfan5 Darkangel: please describe the problem more specificly
18:24 Inocudom By the way, did you know that Midnightwrath (a friend of Fess) compiles 64-bit builds of Freemine every now and then?
18:25 xyz sfan5 works on his ability to calm the fuck down it seems
18:25 Hirato the rainbows are very soothing
18:25 Hirato !rainbow SOOOOOOOTHIIIIIIIIING
18:25 MinetestBot 4S4O4O7O7O7O8O8O8T3H3I3IIII6I6I6IING
18:25 xyz !rainbow GAAAAAAY
18:25 MinetestBot 4G4A4A7A7A7A8A8Y
18:25 Hirato lol, full spectrum
18:25 xyz shit
18:25 xyz I tried
18:26 xyz Inocudom: no, I didn't know
18:26 Hirato I've increaed the key repeat rate to 50/s and the delay for repeat to activate to around 150ms
18:26 xyz nice to know
18:26 Hirato the defaults are too unresponsive to my liking
18:26 Hirato (it's 200 ms)
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18:29 aldobr hi all
18:31 aldobr kaeza: do you still have a copy of my mint mod in your mods directory ?
18:32 kaeza hmm
18:32 aldobr omploader is dead and i have no backup
18:33 kaeza I have a copy here
18:34 aldobr ahhhh !!!!
18:34 aldobr pls upload somewhere !
18:34 kaeza https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/​u/100008207/minetest/temp/mint.zip
18:35 kaeza dunno how old that is
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18:35 kaeza 2013-01-27 is most recent file
18:36 iqualfragile aldobr: upload to mmdb
18:36 iqualfragile note to self: add 0.4.9 to mmdb
18:36 aldobr this code is heavily changed
18:37 kaeza eh actually, that one is from mauvebic
18:38 aldobr so the original is lost :/
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18:39 ShadowNinja nore: The spamming is from different IP addresses, otherwise I would have blocked him already.
18:46 aldobr kaeza i found a 6502 emulator written in javascript and started to translate it to lua
18:46 aldobr :P
18:47 aldobr im not very knowledgeable in neither lua or javascript
18:47 kaeza why not one in C and FFI/wrapper?
18:47 aldobr because the ffi wrapper makes callbacks slower
18:47 aldobr veeeery slow
18:48 aldobr i can anyway write the thing in luajit C
18:48 rubenwardy Yay! All my assignments are done, programming time!
18:48 kaeza okay :|
18:48 xyz slower? did you benchmark it?
18:48 aldobr but i would be back to the slow callback problem
18:49 aldobr luajit states in documentation that lua callbacks to c code are slow
18:49 aldobr even slower than lua calling lua code
18:51 aldobr http://luajit.org/ext_ffi_semantics.html
18:51 aldobr section "callback performance"
18:51 ShadowNinja aldobr: Well of course, but as long as you aren't calling it a hundred times it shouldn't be noticable.
18:51 aldobr thats the problem
18:52 aldobr the callback is needed to do memory and io
18:52 aldobr ie.: EVERY single time the processor needs a new opcode, it will use the callback
18:52 xyz I googled for lua-c slowness and found this awesome rant http://lua-users.org/lists/​lua-l/2011-10/msg00825.html
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18:54 xyz "Calls from Lua to C via the FFI are much faster than the other way round."
18:54 xiong Is there any way to enable mods inside minetest.conf?
18:54 rubenwardy no
18:55 rubenwardy It is defined in the world folder
18:55 rubenwardy world/<your-save>/world.mt
18:58 aldobr xyz: the C code needs to call four functions memread, memwrite, ioread and iowrite
18:58 aldobr these are needed to make the emulator interact with minetest
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18:59 aldobr so guess what ? they would be done in lua (c calling lua callbacks)
18:59 aldobr so thats why i gave up on libz80
18:59 aldobr now i will write everything in plain lua and expect the jit does its work
18:59 xyz well well well
19:00 xyz I still am thinking sometimes about some sort of compile-time "mods"
19:01 xyz but that's a bad idea ;(
19:02 ShadowNinja Those would be real mods, added in a way similar to ZNC, Atheme, Charybdis, etc with dlload and the like.
19:02 kaeza if only Minetest exported the Lua symbols or used a Lua dll/so...
19:03 xyz nah, I wasn't talking about binary api now
19:04 ShadowNinja Well, even those are called extemsions often.  "Mod"s are really plugins.
19:04 markveidemanis How could i use a dual screen setup where each of the monitors are connected to a different computer
19:04 markveidemanis comp and laptop
19:05 kaeza google is your friend
19:05 john_minetest dualscreen is quite useless imo.
19:06 john_minetest Except when you do stuff like subbing.
19:07 markveidemanis maybe app and console window?
19:07 john_minetest You can use tiling WMs for that.
19:07 john_minetest Much cheaper.
19:07 markveidemanis say what now?
19:08 Calinou subbing?
19:09 xiong Well, finally I found the third option. If the world is, say, worlds/my_world/ then mods placed in my_world/worldmods/ are enabled automatically for this world. No need to touch world.mt at all.
19:09 xyz ShadowNinja: I don't think we'll ever get any sort of binary api because people here care too much about compatibility and compatibility and binary C++ api don't mix
19:10 xiong In fact, if world.mt contains a line such as 'load_mod_unified_inventory = false' this is ignored entirely; the mod loads anyway.
19:11 xiong xyz, Perl is highly portable, powerful, and fast.
19:11 ShadowNinja perl is had to read.
19:11 xyz nice joke right here
19:12 Peacock i think he meant python with that indentation block thing lol
19:12 kaeza someone also suggested Guile :3
19:12 kaeza (not for the right reason though)
19:12 nore ShadowNinja, no, this IP address has already spammed
19:12 xiong No, Perl is not hard to read. Badly written Perl is hard to read. But then, badly written code is always hard to read.
19:13 ShadowNinja nore: Can you provide a link?
19:13 nore http://wiki.minetest.net/Specia​l:Contributions/220.249.189.122
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19:14 xiong The only reason Perl gets that bad rap is that badly written Perl often works; and this is for a reason. Perl is intended to be useful in very quick one-liners and short throwaway scripts where terseness is valued over maintainability. However, Perl is also intended to be used for large, complex, maintainable projects.
19:14 xiong The tool gives you more power so of course there are more ways to abuse it.
19:15 xiong If Lua was chosen on the same basis as models at a runway show then no wonder it was chosen poorly.
19:16 xyz we don't need another scripting language
19:16 xiong Perl is not another scripting language; it's been around.
19:16 xyz alright
19:16 xyz we don't need another scripting language in Minetest
19:17 xiong I'm not even sure Lua is another scripting language; strikes me as more of a joke.
19:17 Peacock JS??? :D
19:17 Peacock :P
19:17 xyz if you're willing to add it then do that; but I doubt anybody else is interested
19:17 xiong Looks to me like another crippled language intended for children, like BASIC was, back in the 1970s.
19:17 ShadowNinja nore: Blocked.
19:18 blaise hey guys, check this crash out.. http://pastebin.com/25AZfWQX
19:18 blaise ShadowNinja: is there any way to prevent people from opening doors with the screwdriver?
19:18 xyz xiong: it's simple, light and fast enough; and is easy to integrate as well
19:19 ShadowNinja blaise: Yes, protect the door with a protection mod that supports the protection API, like my areas mod/
19:19 ShadowNinja s-/-.-
19:19 blaise I'm using it..
19:20 blaise they still got in my house.. and managed to destroy several nodes and rebuild them..
19:20 blaise and now I can't touch them.
19:20 xyz I can't see any reason to use perl over lua
19:20 Peacock lol im trying landrush's protection mod ( just look at the age of its map :P)
19:21 xyz it won't be faster, it's not designed to be embedded
19:21 xyz so I assume what you said was a joke or a troll attempt
19:21 ShadowNinja blaise: Then your house wasn't protected or you have another mod that is messing up a function like minetest.item_place.
19:23 aldobr http://e-tradition.net/bytes/6502/6502cpu.js <- 6502 CPU, if anyone is interested in helping
19:24 aldobr its in javascript, need to translate to lua
19:24 kaeza ooooh binops
19:24 aldobr i've done some work already
19:24 nore aldobr, you need binary operators in minetest?
19:25 aldobr ???
19:25 nore well, you need binary operators to translate that in Lua, don't you?
19:25 aldobr yes
19:25 aldobr http://pastebin.com/Wy8ySxxv
19:25 xyz there are binary operators in luajit, aren't there?
19:25 nore https://github.com/Novatux/forth​_computer/blob/master/bit32.lua
19:25 aldobr i used bit32.bxor and bit32.l and r shifts
19:25 nore xyz, I am not sure...
19:25 aldobr ah
19:26 kaeza yes, there are
19:26 xiong You assume wrong, xyz. I think Lua should be abandoned. I'm not the first to say it's a poor choice.
19:26 nore aldobr, bit32 isn't in Lua when it's bundled with Minetest
19:26 xiong Perl is mature and comes with a large, capable, tested archive of modules.
19:26 nore xiong, the previous one wanted javascript...
19:26 Peacock lol
19:26 Peacock what about cobol?
19:26 xyz xiong: I see. Feel free to continue to think that, I'm not really interested in arguing over such things right now, sorry.
19:27 kaeza Brainfuck!
19:27 nore perl now... you can write you perl-to-lua compiler and code in perl if you want...
19:27 xiong Yes, nore; everyone argues for his pet; so do I. The unfortunate result is that we got something nobody serious can like. The compromise pleases nobody so it's totally fair.
19:27 PilzAdam I like Lua
19:27 nore kaeza, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Malbolge
19:28 xiong So FWIW, a couple of us guys are working on a Lua/Perl interface, so at least you can get real work done.
19:28 xiong This won't help with speed, of course; unsuitable for anything called frequently.
19:28 ShadowNinja Why perl?  Lua is simple and easy for beginners.
19:28 aldobr perl ?
19:28 kaeza we should use LUA instead
19:28 aldobr you write something today
19:29 Peacock naw, use ASP.NET :P
19:29 xyz xiong: so where's the code?
19:29 aldobr two years later you have no clue how you have done it
19:29 kaeza https://github.com/mniip/LUA
19:29 ShadowNinja And Lua(JIT) is very fast, you'll have difficulty coming close.
19:29 xiong You just answered your own question, ShadowNinja. By the way, the language is 'Perl'. The interpreter, the executable itself is 'perl'.
19:29 xiong xyz, What code?
19:29 aldobr we need a lualua
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19:29 Calinou Lua is not a poor choice at all for gaming
19:30 Calinou and for scripting inside a program
19:30 ShadowNinja xiong: You mean you want something complicated and difficult?
19:30 aldobr what happens if i import the lua interpreter using lua ffi ?
19:30 kaeza STAR, WATCH, LIKE, AND SHARE LUA
19:30 kaeza NAO
19:30 xiong aldobr, I already said: If you write stupidly you will get stupid results. If you ride a bike with no training wheels carelessly, you may fall down.
19:30 PilzAdam Calinou, we all know that everything but Java is poor choice
19:30 xiong Don't be silly, ShadowNinja. Perl works. Yes, it's for grownups.
19:30 Calinou PilzAdam, lol :P
19:30 kaeza xiong, stop insulting other people
19:31 xiong There's no merit in knocking a language based on reputation.
19:31 xyz xiong: you said you were working on a Lua/Perl thingy, I want to check out the code since this seems interesting
19:31 aldobr i vote for forth as modding language
19:31 nore xiong, if you really want an API for Perl, make one for C++ and then add a Perl backend
19:31 aldobr its "easy" for beginners
19:31 xiong I'm not insulting people, kaeza; I'm insulting Lua.
19:31 kaeza [16:30:42] <xiong> aldobr, I already said: If you write stupidly you will get stupid results. If you ride a bike with no training wheels carelessly, you may fall down.
19:31 FreeFull Lua is fast
19:31 xiong Well, if and when we do that, xyz, you'll see it.
19:31 FreeFull And simplistic
19:32 FreeFull And easy to embed
19:32 xiong kaeza, Take that however you like. Easily offended people will take everything personally.
19:32 xyz xiong: ah, so there's no code now; alright I'll wait for it
19:32 Peacock lua's even got an alcohol named it after - kahlua, whats not to like ?!
19:32 aldobr i favour djikstra/wirth view of program correctedness and provabiliy
19:32 kaeza xiong, you demonstrate that very well, kthxbai
19:32 xiong No, of course not, xyz. I did say we're working on it. We're working on a bunch of stuff.
19:33 aldobr and the usual perl code wont pass provability and correctness
19:33 xyz although I think it's not a very good idea to start flamewars here without even any work done (inb4 i didn't start it)
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19:33 ShadowNinja The only advantage that I see Perl having is modules, but the same could be said about, eg, Python.
19:33 aldobr i see no advantage in perl
19:33 xiong If you just want to have a passionate fight, why bother? If you want to learn the real merits of a mature language, I'm happy to help.
19:33 aldobr its like a kind of religion of suffering
19:33 nore ^ and Python is much more readable and easy to learn, like Lua
19:34 xiong Why do you say that, aldobr? Do you really know anything about it?
19:34 aldobr "if you program in perl long enough you gotta go to heaven"
19:34 aldobr because its not a formal language
19:34 nore lol
19:34 xiong This is pointless. The gods have not made a hammer heavy enough to crack into a closed mind.
19:34 aldobr its a hack, its origins are in the awk
19:35 xiong Then let's mod in C.
19:35 aldobr xiong, all minds are closed when your hammer is wierd and misplaced
19:35 xiong You want formality? There ya go.
19:35 xyz so I'd really prefer people to not insult each other just because of those simple things
19:35 aldobr C formal ? thats another hack
19:35 Peacock hacks, hacks everywhere
19:35 xyz can't force that on you but I'm sure there are people who are able to
19:36 xiong I'm going back to work. Please don't just call out my nick to argue with me some more. I'm open to serious discussion.
19:36 aldobr formal : pascal, ada, d, c#, java, algol etc, languages where design came before coding
19:37 aldobr eiffel, python, lua (even lua as tought out before being implemented)
19:37 aldobr *was
19:37 nore "Yes, sometimes Perl looks like line noise to the uninitiated, but to the seasoned Perl programmer, it looks like checksummed line noise with a mission in life." <-- that tells a lot about readability
19:37 aldobr there are people who feel proud of writing something that no one else can understand
19:37 kaeza xiong, as with all others that have posted ideas about adding more languages, feel free to implement, and if it does not horribly break compatibility, it may be merged
19:38 zash fwiw, perl has the nicest loop constructs in all languages I've used
19:38 Peacock im going to load up my catapult with a bunch of o'reilly books and we can have a real language war :D
19:38 aldobr i believe we need a binary api
19:38 nore zash, what is it?
19:38 aldobr so anybody can attach any language wanted
19:39 zash nore: like, you can give names to nested loops and write 'next outerloop'
19:39 nore aldobr, I find that is a better idea... (perhaps even an API where you can modify base functions? dunno if possible=
19:39 xiong kaeza, It's an enormous job to implement an entire API. aldobr is probably right: We need an agnostic API of some sort so that individual language proponents can each do what they please.
19:39 nore zash, you can make something like that in Forth too... (well, you can make pretty anything in forth)
19:40 zash nore: haven't touched forth tho :)
19:40 aldobr forth?
19:40 Peacock fortran?
19:40 xiong forth cool add .
19:40 aldobr are we going to launch satelites ? :P
19:40 nore see my forth_computer mod ;)
19:41 nore (no, not fortran)
19:41 aldobr i know forth != fortran
19:41 nore Peacock didn't
19:41 Peacock lol
19:41 aldobr forth was used in some space related equipment due to small size of interpreter
19:42 nore well, computer inside Minetest are space restricted too... that's why I chose forth
19:42 aldobr problem is to explain forth to someone else
19:42 Inocudom These are bleak times. Beware, for it could be said that the Creator's anger and hatred surpasses even that of the devil.
19:42 aldobr must you + forth learn - /
19:43 nore S" Indeed" type
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19:43 aldobr :mapgen 10 * 9 +;
19:43 Calinou Lua is going to stay anyway
19:44 nore yes, of course... the only thing that could be useful be couldn't do in Lua would be to be able to override base functions in the server for which there are no mod API
19:44 nore (and client too)
19:47 Calinou there are more imporant problems right now: lag, and tools being too slow
19:47 Calinou (or not dealing enough damage)
19:47 Calinou there are a lot of balance issues in Minetest right now :(
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19:47 Calinou and I can't commit stuff, so it will be hard to fix them
19:47 aldobr i vote for solving general slowness
19:47 aldobr dd the code got proofed ?
19:47 PilzAdam Calinou, Nodetopia has balanced digging times
19:47 aldobr i mean, gproof
19:48 aldobr ah
19:48 aldobr i mean profiling the code
19:49 Calinou PilzAdam, I mean in minetest_game/"default" of freeminer
19:49 Calinou tools are usually too slow, especially axes, and they do not deal enough damage, like swords
19:49 Calinou I liked how tools were faster than in Minecraft before
19:49 Calinou but the most imporant issue is, finding where the lag regression comes from
19:49 PilzAdam I know what you mean
19:49 Calinou early 0.4 did not lag
19:49 kaeza ^ also wooden axe is practically useless
19:49 PilzAdam just play Nodetopia not minetest_game
19:49 Calinou stone axe isn't much useful too
19:50 Peacock well who de-balanced digging times in minetest_game?
19:51 PilzAdam Peacock, Calinou was the last one, IIRC ;-)
19:53 Peacock lol if it ain't broken, we gotta fix it XD
19:55 rubenwardy Yay!
19:55 rubenwardy Pixel manipulator for my pixel terrain game complete!
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19:56 aldobr do you have client side lua scripting in the todo ?
19:59 rubenwardy http://dev.minetest.net/TODO
19:59 rubenwardy Not in there
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20:01 aldobr hmmm
20:03 aldobr too much work, too little amount of coders
20:07 PilzAdam aldobr, yes, we have
20:11 Inocudom I noticed that iron is rarer than it used to be.
20:12 Inocudom This client-side lua scripting... What benefits does it have? It could make ingame maps easier, but what else?
20:13 Peacock client side lottery number prediction?
20:14 rubenwardy Inocudom: gui, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4068
20:14 aldobr inocumdom : major would be allowing lua to write to textures
20:15 aldobr for one, my emulator needs a screen generated from lua code. it will not have one because doing that from server would be impossible/too slow
20:15 aldobr i will rely on chat messages as i/p
20:15 aldobr *i/o
20:16 Inocudom I read that topic, and those are valid concerns.
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20:20 PilzAdam Inocudom, client-side Lua will basically allow to predict many stuff that is done in Lua at the server
20:21 PilzAdam e.g. opening doors, riding carts etc.
20:21 aldobr and can be faster due to spreading the load to clients
20:21 Inocudom Then it is a very useful feature.
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20:22 blaise ShadowNinja: I havn't logged in in a while..
20:23 blaise ShadowNinja: I wonder if my house is even still there.. XD
20:23 Calinou client side prediction of stuff would be really useful
20:23 Calinou to make lag less apparent :P
20:26 Peacock from laghetti to lagsoupe :-)
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20:27 Megaf VanessaE, my server doesnt like your mods =/
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20:28 blaise lol
20:28 blaise maybe her mods just don't like your server?
20:29 Megaf could be that too
20:29 Megaf back in the day my server had no mods and not crashes at all
20:30 Peacock the supermegaunifiedeverything mod?
20:40 Megaf backend = sqlite3
20:40 Megaf how do I use MySQL?
20:40 PilzAdam 1) implement the backend in c++ 2) use backend = mysql 3) ... 4) profit
20:41 aldobr would it be faster ?
20:41 rubenwardy bye all
20:41 Megaf bye...
20:41 aldobr sqlite is a library, data is shared via memory because program and library are one the same segment
20:41 aldobr this is fast
20:42 aldobr will mysql use pipes to stream data in the same situation ?
20:42 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
20:42 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (470ms)
20:42 aldobr i believe it would be slower
20:42 Megaf yep, 180 ms with sapiers udp thing
20:42 Megaf 470 ms with standard
20:42 Megaf That's really impressive
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20:53 Peacock i wonder, how would you anounce that x player killed y player?
20:53 aldobr y player was killed by x player.
20:54 aldobr :P
20:54 Peacock i know how to compose a message :P
20:54 aldobr haha
20:55 Peacock i suppose some sort of on_use function for weapons
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20:57 rubenwardy Back again!
20:57 Megaf Hi
20:57 Megaf I said bye, but you gone before I could send
20:58 Megaf <rubenwardy> bye all
20:58 Megaf * rubenwardy has quit (Quit: You may notice this notice is not worth noticing)
20:58 Megaf <Megaf> bye...
20:58 rubenwardy No worries :P
20:59 rubenwardy i am on irc... on MY PHONE.
21:00 Peacock whats the key for playerlist? i assumed p, alas
21:00 rubenwardy tab?
21:00 Peacock dun work :(
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21:03 sfan5 Peacock: there is no playerlist
21:03 Peacock coulda sworn ive seen pics and conversations about it... is it a mod?
21:04 rubenwardy It is on Freeminer.
21:04 rubenwardy well, it's a pull.
21:04 xiong Okay, Lua it is for now, right? So I'm looking at: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html : "Lua is a free-form language. It ignores spaces (including new lines) and comments between lexical elements..."
21:05 Peacock ah, still haven't tested that, been busy adding ridiculous stuff to my server lol
21:05 xiong If this is so, why does so much Lua in existing mods have very long lines?
21:05 Peacock ^ people suck at coding
21:05 xiong Is there some reason I don't see not to break them?
21:05 rubenwardy Because the mod devs suck
21:05 rubenwardy snap
21:05 Peacock ^ see :P
21:06 Peacock and people prefer tidy code spread over a dozen files to logical and easy to read code lol
21:06 xiong Well, okay, that's an answer. But remember later when you say Perl is unreadable and I say "A poor workman blames his tools."
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21:07 xiong I'm just going to break all lines at col 78 then, thanks.
21:07 Peacock i never criticized perl, its the 3rd thing i learned after basic and html lol but the chances of the game switching now are slim to none
21:07 PilzAdam xiong, we use Lua 5.1
21:07 aldobr xoing, its hard to argue in a language that is not my native language
21:08 xiong Ah! Good to know, PilzAdam.
21:08 Peacock luajit is like 5.1.5 (got parts of 5.2 in it)
21:08 aldobr PilzAdam: what are the chances of getting a binary api ?
21:09 Peacock also slim to none
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21:09 PilzAdam we have a working API, why write another one?
21:09 Peacock peoples want the sauce (source)
21:10 xiong Sorry, Peacock; I got my feathers ruffled a few minutes ago.
21:10 aldobr well, i cant think in reasons right now :P
21:10 Peacock well technically could a binary mod call the same functions the API does? or am i oversimplifying things
21:10 aldobr btw
21:10 aldobr you can write C code inside luajit
21:10 xiong 5.1 still seems to allow line breaks in code, though.
21:10 Peacock you can also compile lua code but the game does that when its started anyhow
21:10 aldobr you can write arbitrary C code in a luajit codeblock
21:11 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
21:11 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (219ms)
21:11 Megaf hows that possible?
21:11 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
21:11 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (232ms)
21:11 PilzAdam xiong, many mods are developed by a single person; and if that person doesnt care about long lines then they will simply not break them
21:11 Megaf minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (470ms)
21:11 xiong Yes. Fixing....
21:11 Megaf minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (219ms)
21:12 xiong A little K&R bracketing wouldn't hurt, either.
21:12 Peacock there's something im not getting about landrush, it says in the corner "owner <player>" and i can still dig :/
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21:14 rubenwardy stupid client
21:14 Peacock ah fuck me, theres a conflict between the protection and my 6d node placing thingy
21:16 Peacock there we go, now the minetest functions are replaced in the right order
21:16 rubenwardy i dont particularly want to, peacock
21:16 rubenwardy I love my quote on irc stats: "I am not going to click that"
21:16 Peacock it's an expression, not solicitation :P
21:16 rubenwardy i know XD
21:18 Peacock nope, still dont work :/
21:18 proller Megaf, (470ms) - this number is nothing, its not serverthread process time
21:19 Megaf proller, you are changing minetest too much
21:19 Megaf freeminer is no longer minetest
21:19 Megaf you changed default mods too
21:19 proller where?
21:19 proller and?
21:19 Peacock well ain't that the purpose of a fork? lol
21:19 rubenwardy good, i say
21:19 Megaf I dont like that
21:20 rubenwardy is android still linux?
21:20 rubenwardy woops
21:20 rubenwardy nm
21:20 ShadowNinja Megaf: The ping time means next to nothing with Minetest.
21:21 proller Megaf, okay, suffer with 5-player multilplayer in MT
21:21 Peacock ah no wonder it doesn't work for me, the mod sets a priv for admin to do whatever he wants in all the areas lol
21:22 rubenwardy Sherlock tomorrow!
21:22 Megaf I really would like to see all proller's optimizations and fixed back to Minetest, and some credit to him
21:22 Peacock not easy to figure out with everything spread out over a dozen lua files lol
21:22 Megaf Why the hell don't you work together??
21:22 proller again...
21:22 Peacock megaf, read the dev logs...
21:22 Megaf fuck you both! (minetest and freeminer)]
21:22 rubenwardy read the forum topic, it's aall there
21:23 Peacock seriously lol enough FM/MT flamewars
21:24 rubenwardy wow, another player meltdown and rage?
21:24 Peacock ?
21:24 Calinou proller/xyz/some other russians are a special group
21:24 Megaf meltdown, I like that word
21:24 Calinou they do lots of stuff quickly
21:24 Calinou rubenwardy, yes it's still based on a (quite old) Linux kernel
21:24 Peacock well some geeks do prefer to code rather than debate endlessly :P
21:25 PilzAdam Megaf, why are you raging?
21:25 Calinou or they prefer to read Minetest rule 34
21:25 * Calinou runs
21:25 rubenwardy coding, not pull-request-politics.
21:25 Megaf PilzAdam, 18 sec of real lag
21:25 Megaf I click a chest and it takes 18 seconds to open
21:26 Peacock well its akin to the difference between geeks who like to build things and geeks who like to debate star trek (when i was younger lol)
21:26 proller my record for minetest is 45 seconds per step (before optimizing)
21:26 Calinou I wonder, does freeminer still lag a lot?
21:26 Calinou if not, then we need more servers using it
21:26 proller but now on FM i have new record - 108 seconds on saving 30000+ player files 8( (<-fix it next in todo)
21:27 PilzAdam proller, do you know how to fix that issue?
21:27 sfan5 123456789
21:27 Megaf nickbot1 joined the game
21:27 sfan5 ^ can someone write that?
21:27 proller save only changed files.. but i not start looking at it
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21:28 rubenwardy grrrrrr
21:28 sfan5 i seems all 2's are broken
21:28 sfan5 yep
21:28 sfan5 2
21:28 sfan5 test 2 test
21:28 sfan5 hm
21:28 PilzAdam proller, the code to save only changed files is already there (by me), but the inventory == operator always returns false, so all player files are always written
21:28 PilzAdam you only have to fix that operator
21:29 proller okay
21:29 Calinou oh, the lag could come fro msaving player files
21:30 sfan5 http://i.imgur.com/rbQJXQY.png
21:30 Megaf worse thing is that MT can really do more than one stuff at the same time
21:30 Megaf it can load the world and do an action at the same time
21:30 Peacock like many stuffs?
21:31 Calinou sfan5, looks fine for me.
21:31 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Of course the players really shouldn't be loaded at all if they aren't connected.
21:31 Calinou HexChat 2.9.6 here
21:31 rubenwardy me too, sfan5
21:31 sfan5 Calinou: it doesn't look fine for me, about 1 minute ago it said something of grahics driver hanging while watching anime
21:32 Calinou anime and graphic drivers make two!
21:32 proller ShadowNinja, xyz find some player name <-> player file conversion problem
21:32 sfan5 "[37985.368381] [drm:i915_set_reset_status] *ERROR* render ring hung inside bo (0x2c9f1000 ctx 1) at 0x2c9f1490"
21:33 sfan5 the 2 only looks weird in xchat
21:35 kaeza go home display, you're drunk
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21:36 PilzAdam kaeza, yea sure, let the drunk guy go home alone
21:37 kaeza I like how 99% of these posts are trolling https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8171
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21:39 xiong Can anyone explain this, particularly 'mg'? -- https://github.com/Novatux/moreores/commit​/4507ebddb97444e4b38e895a443304fe9e712db8
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21:40 PilzAdam mg is a mod
21:40 nore xiong, it is a mapgen mod
21:40 xiong Might be a touch difficult to search for, being so short a string.
21:40 nore and this is support for moreores ores in that mod
21:41 nore https://github.com/Novatux/mg
21:41 nore or on the forums, or mmdb
21:41 xiong https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7263)
21:41 xiong Right.
21:41 xiong Still experimental, though.
21:41 nore yep, exactly
21:42 xiong Hm. Are the wet grasslands very wet? Swamp, bayou?
21:42 nore no, not that experimental... I should perhaps change the name someday (it is called Novagen on mmdb)
21:42 nore the wet grasslands do have a lot of grass
21:42 xiong Need a cattails mod.
21:43 nore that for now the only real difference (except if other mods register other plants here...)
21:43 PilzAdam nore, how fast is it?
21:43 nore PilzAdam, very fast... a bit slower than core mapgen though
21:43 nore you can try it... of course, it is best with JIT
21:43 PilzAdam I wonder how good would it work with Nodetopia
21:44 xiong 'big_villages'??
21:44 nore you can try it... you may have to modify the default registrations a bit
21:44 nore ^ that one is very slow, however
21:44 nore it creates villages bigger than normal
21:44 * VanessaE peeks in
21:45 xiong Does this actually create random buildings??
21:45 nore PilzAdam, btw: vanessae.mine.bz:30003
21:45 nore ^ mg test server
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21:45 nore you can go there to see the mapgen, and the generated villages
21:45 nore xiong, yes, organized in villages with roads, etc
21:45 nore see screenshots in forum post
21:46 xiong Cool idea; not just bare land. Besides, the mobs have to live somewhere, right?
21:46 nore eh... there are no mobs yet
21:46 xiong ?
21:46 Peacock id be alot happier if players could build villages instead of the game lol
21:46 nore anyway, if you want to see it, just go to the server I pointed you to
21:46 xiong The connection was, in my mind, purely fantastic.
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21:47 xiong Love to, nore; but I don't build nightly. Thanks.
21:48 nore brb
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21:52 Sokomine the mapgen and the generated villages of nores mapgen are fine. they consist of less detailed buildings, but it might be enough for most players
21:52 Sokomine hi xiong
21:53 xiong Hi, Sokomine.
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21:53 xiong A generated village might be just the thing to put a spawn point in. Give the nomad invaders something to burn.
21:54 Sokomine xinog: my villages from the vilalges mod are larger and more beautiful :-) but they require much handwork (havn't gotten around to integrate paramats nice flatten-mod yet - and need to do some other changes as wellL)
21:55 xiong Okay well... for a later date. Right now I'm just working on underlying mechanics.
21:55 Sokomine ah. what do you have in mind?
21:55 * Sokomine looks curious
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22:00 Peacock does the skins mod reload the player avatar ingame or do you have to restart?
22:01 nore PilzAdam, so, is it fast enough for you?
22:01 Peacock woah, take the kinky stuff to PM :P
22:01 PilzAdam the server is horribly slow
22:02 PilzAdam havent tried on localhost
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22:02 EvergreenTree sfan5, why is your website not up?
22:02 EvergreenTree hi ruben
22:02 PilzAdam Peacock, have you read the Minetest fanfiction yet?
22:02 rubenwardy hi
22:03 Peacock uhm, no, lol should i be afraid?
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22:03 rubenwardy yes, definitely
22:03 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUcSMzT-rq4
22:03 Peacock okay so the skins mod seem to work in game, will it fuck up wield3d though?
22:04 nore PilzAdam, what have you tried on the server?
22:05 PilzAdam walking?
22:05 nore near the spawn? so it is the connection that is slow, not the mod?
22:05 PilzAdam of course its the connection
22:06 nore ah... well, I haven't timed the mod
22:06 PilzAdam all of VanessaE's servers are terribly slow
22:06 nore ^ I guess this depends on where you are and if there are a lot of people playing
22:07 VanessaE well I just paid for a dedicated server at OVH.  waiting for them to set the machine up.
22:07 nore OVH?
22:07 VanessaE that VPS is to G*D damned slow.
22:07 VanessaE ovh.com
22:07 Peacock well with all the stuff you run im not surprised you need a dedicated box :P
22:08 nore bbl
22:08 Peacock i cant even run all those mods in singleplayer
22:08 VanessaE Peacock: even ssh, rsync, etc are slow.  so it isn't just minetest
22:08 Peacock well would high cpu usage slow those things down?
22:09 Peacock (and how many other customers are you sharing the box with?)
22:09 VanessaE only if everything were crammed onto one code maybe.
22:09 VanessaE core*
22:09 VanessaE the VPS has 8 of them, so no.
22:09 Calinou VanessaE, you paid for a dedi? you must be rich
22:09 VanessaE Calinou: $30/mo.
22:09 Calinou that must be a poor dedi then
22:10 Peacock setup a donations page
22:10 VanessaE Calinou:  http://www.ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/pe1.xml
22:10 VanessaE seems I got the last one.
22:10 Peacock i wonder if ingame advertising would be possible, with like 3x2 billboards
22:10 Calinou advertising is not profitable
22:11 Calinou VanessaE, ah
22:12 rubenwardy really, calinou? see google.
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22:12 Calinou it's not profitable unless you're something huge
22:12 rubenwardy however you wont have enough players
22:12 Calinou TL;DR don't count on it
22:12 Peacock well if you're not huge you're not gonna get a shitton of donations either :P
22:12 Calinou better make your server pay2win :P
22:13 Peacock well i checked out landrush's websites
22:13 Peacock *site
22:13 Calinou with tons of mese for those who donate
22:13 VanessaE I don't care about "profitable"
22:13 Peacock pay-for-itself is more important :P
22:13 VanessaE I'm not one of those idiots who measures her time in dollars.
22:13 Peacock when you work hard for money you dont like to lose it lol
22:14 Peacock especially doing work like babysitting kids on a server lol
22:14 PilzAdam make iron not diggable by stone; then only give iron to people who have donated
22:14 Calinou lol
22:14 Calinou only give build rights to people who have donated
22:14 rubenwardy you joking?
22:14 Calinou (there are a few Minecraft servers that do that actually)
22:14 Peacock naw, write a special mod with reward items
22:15 rubenwardy premium features is a good idea
22:15 Peacock or give privs you dont normally give (fly)
22:15 Calinou yes
22:15 Peacock or allow people to protect twice as much space, or found a new city/be mayor
22:15 rubenwardy mesecon/cart rights
22:16 Peacock not sure i got the conjugation of founding right lol
22:17 VanessaE that's right.
22:17 VanessaE "to found" actually
22:17 Peacock another of those words meant to confuse non english speakers lol
22:17 sfan5 EvergreenTree: it isn't up?
22:18 EvergreenTree wait, it is
22:18 EvergreenTree nvm
22:18 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=124543#p124543
22:18 Calinou bad link
22:19 Peacock ugh, btcs lol whats wrong with paypal or e transfers
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22:19 PilzAdam Calinou, GOOD LINK!
22:19 sfan5 Peacock: bitcoin because bits
22:20 kaeza PilzAdam, no, /me put a mese nuke on it
22:20 Peacock whats my garantee the exchange wont go under with my BTCs in the middle of things lol
22:20 Peacock *guarantee
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22:21 PilzAdam kaeza, still a good link
22:21 Calinou PilzAdam, doesn't work for me
22:21 VanessaE I thought btc and ltc were all but useless now, and what was it, dogecoin was the next big waste of cycles?
22:21 Calinou btc made a lot of people rich
22:22 Calinou some guy I know on IRC claims to have 60000$ from 600$ of bitcoins invested :P
22:22 Calinou so does ltc
22:22 VanessaE yeah if you had $10k to spend on a mining rig, or you got in early.
22:22 Peacock alot of people claimed to get rich selling land in florida too a hundred years ago :P
22:22 kaeza ShadowBot, y u no slap Peacock alot
22:22 Calinou a LTC mining rig can cost less than $1000 and still do well
22:23 Calinou but I'm not into mining
22:23 Calinou (and I don't use cryptocurrencies anyway)
22:23 MinetestBot kaeza: She sleeps because of me
22:23 ShadowNinja kaeza: ^
22:23 * Calinou hugs MinetestBot
22:23 Peacock normally when people find a way to get rich, they dont spread the news so they can reduce their share, which makes me think its more of a ponzi
22:23 MinetestBot <3
22:24 * kaeza puts a kitten on each of MinetestBot and ShadowBot's heads
22:24 Calinou ponzi?
22:25 Peacock thats when you continously need an influx of new money/players to keep the thing going
22:25 Peacock once people realize something's overvalued they all rush to sell which causes a crash
22:27 Peacock abit like that housing thing in 07/08 :P
22:27 Peacock anyways, bbl
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22:33 ShadowNinja ~kitten kaeza
22:33 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Error: I'm lobotomized in #minetest.
22:33 ShadowNinja Grrrrr!!!!
22:33 kaeza D:
22:35 aldobr kaeza: lua logical operators are not bitwise ?
22:35 kaeza nope
22:36 aldobr that means my translation is wrong in several places :P
22:36 kaeza yep
22:36 aldobr i will translate to plain simple C and use FFI then
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22:37 aldobr is this translatable to lua ?
22:37 aldobr flags |=tbyte&128;
22:37 aldobr flags |= tbyte & 128
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22:39 kaeza you can use bitop in LuaHit
22:39 kaeza -H+J
22:40 aldobr how ?
22:40 kaeza http://bitop.luajit.org/
22:42 aldobr hm third party
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22:43 kaeza aldobr, no, it's built into -jit
22:44 ShadowNinja This won't work with Lua unless Lua 5.2 support is added, but most builds have LuaJIT now.
22:44 aldobr anybody wanting to translate a 6502 emulator from javascript to lua ? :P
22:45 aldobr i patch msbasic to work
22:45 aldobr i promise :P
22:46 Sokomine pilzadam: try the landrush server if you want slow. that *is* slow. vanessas servers are relatively fast; general mt lag/slowness seems to play a larger role than physical distance
22:46 proller and fastest is *-free servers ;)
22:47 ShadowNinja aldobr: I think aldobr was trying to do that. :-P
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22:51 Sokomine *-free servers?
22:51 ruskie free.fr probably
22:52 Sokomine souns a bit french. i don't speak enough of it :-(
22:52 VanessaE freeminer.
22:53 Sokomine aah. thought those servers where almost interchangeable?
22:53 PilzAdam nah, localhost is faster than freeminer servers
22:53 Sokomine are there any specific freeminer-server?
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22:53 Sokomine pilzadam: there are ways to get localhost to be slower than servers :-) a bad gpu and very mapgen-intense mods help
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22:56 Sokomine btw, what about that network traffic cheapie reported regarding the mobs? do you have any idea what might be causing that? it's really odd how vanessas server collapsed when mobf was run :-( perhaps those improvements to the network code sapier is working on will help in more than one aspect?
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23:16 EvergreenTree o/
23:16 * EvergreenTree uses an IBM Model M keyboard
23:16 proller PilzAdam, no, liquids and mapgen faster on freeminer.
23:16 EvergreenTree It's in really good condition too
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23:16 proller you can fly from 30000 to ground on server with ~10 peoples without stuck
23:16 PilzAdam proller, Nodetopia doesnt have any flowing liquids; how can freeminer be faster?
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23:19 Peacock you got rid of water and lava?
23:19 PilzAdam they are just blocks, like every other one
23:19 proller FM can show 300-500 blocks range around you
23:20 PilzAdam the only difference is that you can swim in them
23:20 Peacock makes sense, i still have the liquids but no entries in creative and no bucket, it's just *there*
23:20 Peacock can't or can swim?
23:20 PilzAdam you can swim in it
23:21 PilzAdam I meant the only difference to other blocks
23:21 PilzAdam also buckets are normal tools now; you have to "mine" water and lava with the crack and all that stuff
23:22 PilzAdam s/now/in Nodetopia/
23:22 rubenwardy is nos
23:23 rubenwardy is nodetopia your fork?
23:23 PilzAdam no
23:23 PilzAdam its my own game that runs on the Minetest engine
23:24 rubenwardy any edited c code? or is it a game
23:24 PilzAdam "its my own game" – "is it a game"
23:24 PilzAdam its plain Lua
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23:25 rubenwardy how is it faster than freeminers optimisations then. did you delete all block?
23:25 PilzAdam it just doesnt use the flowing liquid feature of Minetest
23:25 rubenwardy s/game/sub-game
23:25 proller FM have not only liquid optimizations
23:26 PilzAdam its not a "sub-game"
23:26 rubenwardy according to c55 it is.
23:27 PilzAdam according to Obama it isnt
23:27 PilzAdam if its a sub-game, it has to be part of a bigger game
23:27 PilzAdam what is that bigger game then?
23:28 iqualfragile_ the minetest game environment
23:28 Exio4 the engine itself!
23:28 Peacock obviously, a super-sized subgame :P
23:28 PilzAdam an engine isnt a game, though
23:28 iqualfragile_ i think the idea might be to not confuse people
23:28 PilzAdam you should correct everyone who says "minetest is a game"
23:29 iqualfragile_ if you tell them: im playing the nodetopia game they think its something compleetly seperate from minetest
23:29 Peacock oh yeah because being anal on semantics is going to score us more players :P
23:29 iqualfragile_ if you tell them im playing the nodetopia minetest subgame its much better because its sounds a lot more stupid!
23:29 Peacock i still remember all the hissy fits people throw when someone misplaces a dot in the version numbers lol
23:30 rubenwardy h
23:30 kaeza i
23:30 iqualfragile_ yeah, that was around the 4.3 version, wasnt it?
23:30 Peacock well it was still going on around 047, though people seem to have given up since lol
23:31 trauerlicht iqualfragile_: ive neve sayed to someone that i play a mod of something (f.e: counterstrike, dota, teamfortress - all are mods of a (bigger) game)
23:31 rubenwardy 007
23:31 trauerlicht said
23:31 trauerlicht omg
23:32 iqualfragile_ trauerlicht: oh dear, that would confuse the shit out of everybody, as minetest is a mod-based game
23:32 iqualfragile_ and we cant just start calling gamemodes (which consist of mods) mods
23:32 PilzAdam Nodetopia will be super popular in the near future, so everyone will understand when I say "I play the Nodetopia game"
23:32 iqualfragile_ PilzAdam: :D
23:32 Peacock with a name like that, not sure :P
23:33 PilzAdam the name is better than "Pilztest", but Im open to suggestions to change it again
23:33 Peacock well anything without the words 'mine' or 'test' or 'node' or 'voxel' lol
23:33 Peacock 'more' 'unified' 'plus' '+' as well lol
23:34 trauerlicht PilzAdam: Nodetopia sounds like the yellow postits with a jungle.
23:34 Peacock nodetopia reminds me of fruitopia, so everytime i picture some sort of minetest bottled juice lol
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23:35 iqualfragile_ Peacock: i guess it is a play on words combining node and utopia
23:36 rubenwardy nodetopia is less ambiguous than "capture the flag"
23:36 Peacock well like say 'Eden', thats based on a mythical place
23:36 PilzAdam iqualfragile_, you solved the riddle of the name, you won a free copy
23:36 iqualfragile_ YEEEEEEEEYYY, FAPTASICT, not that its wtfpl anyways
23:36 rubenwardy congrats!
23:37 Peacock there must be mythical places in german stories that could make for good names :P
23:37 EvergreenTree conglaturations!1!1
23:37 iqualfragile_ Peacock: there are :D
23:37 iqualfragile_ but any german would just rage if many people choose these as names
23:38 Peacock howcome?
23:38 iqualfragile_ Peacock: where are you from/culturaly based?
23:38 Peacock mostly french/scott ancestry born in QC, Can
23:39 iqualfragile_ in that case there is not that much of a difference in mythology
23:39 fmcd hi all.. where is the my_mobs mod?
23:39 iqualfragile_ fmcd: what?
23:39 Peacock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki​/List_of_mythological_places
23:40 Peacock i'd skip Asgard though
23:40 rubenwardy fmcd: google
23:40 fmcd yeah.. having trouble finding a link
23:40 rubenwardy !g my_mobs minetest
23:40 MinetestBot rubenwardy: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2960
23:40 iqualfragile_ why the hell are there two seperate enteries for niflhel and nifilheim?
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23:41 rubenwardy lol
23:41 rubenwardy follow the link in there
23:41 fmcd that's the food mod?
23:42 rubenwardy there is a link in there
23:42 fmcd oh followed link from there onto it.
23:42 fmcd thanks
23:42 trauerlicht there are two enteries for heaven and hell ...
23:42 Sokomine i don't think we ought to name games by mystical german places. either people won't understand, would mix up with fantasy, or would rather connect that to a time we won't have repeated
23:43 Peacock gowin's law?
23:43 Peacock *godwin
23:43 Sokomine good names for games/subgames are of course difficult...
23:43 Sokomine peacock: seems so :)
23:43 Peacock hell i named my latest game after the planet in Aliens lol
23:43 Peacock LV-426
23:44 Peacock though it's not really meant for distribution so it doesn't really matter
23:44 Peacock math.pow(really,2)
23:45 Peacock is wieldview the same as wield3d?
23:46 rubenwardy ...
23:47 Peacock theres wield3d by stu and another modpack by stu that has wieldview in it
23:47 rubenwardy Any suggestions for capture the flag?
23:48 Peacock ideally i want wield3d and skins
23:48 trauerlicht rubenwardy: what exactly?
23:48 Sokomine stu has written quite a lot of intresting mods
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23:48 VanessaE wield3d is buggy
23:48 Peacock works fine for me
23:48 VanessaE it leaves random entities behind as you move around the world
23:49 Peacock yeah those are just missing a selection box so you can delete them
23:49 VanessaE um..
23:49 Peacock wieldview looks flat, im guessing its a 2d version that works with skins?
23:49 VanessaE they shouldn't appear *at all*
23:49 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6947
23:49 Sokomine ah, yes, i've seen that strange behaviour. those entities lying around are confusing
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23:51 Peacock well a 3d wield should really be part (option) of the engine, not some hacky mod, but ill take what i can get lol
23:52 rubenwardy some time next week i'll need some one to hold a ctf server, so i can debug it.
23:52 Peacock it just feels odd to me to have a 3d player, and flat wields
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23:52 PilzAdam I tried to add it to Nodetopia, but either Minetest's or Irrlicht's attachment thingy is really fucked up
23:53 Peacock as a mod or an engine patch/pull/we its called?
23:53 PilzAdam I tried it with the modding API for models and attachments
23:54 rubenwardy1 pull request / patch is what it is mainly called
23:55 Peacock im not sure with what sorcery stu got wield3d to work lol maybe i can combine with zeg's skins
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23:55 rubenwardy [citation needed]
23:55 Peacock ?
23:56 trauerlicht rubenwardy: a time-limit to bring the flag home
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23:58 rubenwardy thats a thought: at the moment you dont have to brimg the. flag back
23:58 rubenwardy I will add that.
23:59 trauerlicht oh, ok, 2 ideas :)

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