IRC log for #minetest, 2014-01-04

Time	Nick	Message
00:04	harrison	paramat: do you understand the argument ?
00:05	deltib	what's this "Fullbright option" mentioned in the TODO?
00:05	harrison	enable that if you want to apply for a scholarship
00:09	paramat	harrison: obviously not ;) you're interested in microtonal music? i made some and a video for it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBOxnO10KjE
00:09	blaise	what block burns the longest?
00:11	paramat	harrison: i converted this bass to quartertone frets and 8 strings http://i.imgur.com/fcP0Suy.jpg
00:11	paramat	bbl
00:12	kaeza	blaise, coal block IIRC
00:12	blaise	I want to make a fireplace..
00:12	blaise	is there animated smoke in minetest?
00:12	kaeza	there was a mod that added smoke particles to torches
00:17	blaise	hrmm
00:17	blaise	someone on my server is requesting protector mod
00:17	blaise	is that compatable with areas protector?
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00:24	stormchaser3000	ok i am on blaise
00:24	blaise	:)
00:24	stormchaser3000	ok so the protector mod
00:24	stormchaser3000	the one i mentioned
00:24	stormchaser3000	is not as good
00:24	stormchaser3000	i used it and people hacked
00:25	blaise	yeah, the areas protection locks entire area's down..
00:25	stormchaser3000	yeah
00:25	stormchaser3000	hmm
00:25	stormchaser3000	oh i had an idea
00:25	stormchaser3000	what about the irc mod
00:25	blaise	I recently had to fit my chimney with a steel grate so people couldn't santa clause me and take my furnace.. XD
00:25	stormchaser3000	XD
00:26	* blaise	looks for said irc mod
00:26	kaeza	https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc
00:27	blaise	eh, I think I might get in trouble for running a clone on freenode with that
00:28	blaise	I only have one ip
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00:33	stormchaser3000	yeah
00:33	stormchaser3000	well what about the travel net mod
00:34	blaise	rmm
00:35	blaise	I have carts installed for transit..
00:35	blaise	with technik mod, electrified rails..
00:35	blaise	dunno how to build trains and cars yet though
00:36	blaise	also, I've discovered underneath my house in the mountain is a very massive cavern
00:36	blaise	it's very disturbing..
00:36	blaise	I'm kind of afraid to go down there..
00:36	blaise	stormchaser3000: I am interested in other mob mods
00:36	stormchaser3000	D: hope no dungeon masters spawn
00:36	stormchaser3000	hmm mobf?
00:38	blaise	does mobf complement already installed mob mods?
00:38	blaise	and, I never knew if there are native mobs without any mods...
00:40	stormchaser3000	there used to be
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00:46	stormchaser3000	hmm good mods
00:46	stormchaser3000	um
00:46	* stormchaser3000	looks at minetest.net
00:52	stormchaser3000	here is a good mod: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6407
00:53	EvergreenTree	What is your definition of "good mod"?
00:53	stormchaser3000	idk
00:53	EvergreenTree	it depends on what you're looking for
00:53	EvergreenTree	or are you just browsing
00:53	stormchaser3000	a mod that adds a nice feature depending on the theme of the server or singleplayer world
00:54	stormchaser3000	yeah i am just browsing to help blaise
00:54	stormchaser3000	lol
00:54	stormchaser3000	he has a good server running
00:54	EvergreenTree	what are you looking for blaise?
00:55	EvergreenTree	what is the theme of your server?
00:55	EvergreenTree	eg. pvp. survival, creative, technical etc
00:55	blaise	technik, survival, city building
00:55	blaise	eventually I would like large city's teaming together to take out the zombies that rise after dark
00:56	EvergreenTree	mobf or simple mobs for the zombies
00:56	EvergreenTree	I would say mesecons, but that is quite server intensive
00:56	blaise	I have mesecons installed
00:57	blaise	atleast, I thought I did
00:57	blaise	I have mesecon blocks available......
00:58	blaise	maybe that's just included in technik mod?
00:58	blaise	the server is midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org if you care to take a look
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01:09	Darkangel	Hey is it Minetest illegal to take a Mod EDIT the HOLY CRAP OUT OF IT and post it or something? or is that bad?
01:09	Peacock	RMS might come to your house and rape you but it should be fine :-)
01:11	Darkangel	k
01:15	ryukafalz	Darkangel: check the license, if it's GPL release your own under GPL and you're fine
01:16	ryukafalz	if it's MIT/BSD/similar keep the original copyright notices and you're also fine
01:16	PilzAdam	bye
01:17	Darkangel	kk
01:18	Darkangel	I'ma gonna make me a NUCLEAR BOMB for Minetest surely not gonna look the same as TNT any more lol
01:20	blaise	technik has a nuclear reactor
01:20	blaise	you could cause it to melt down
01:21	Peacock	the fukushima mod :P
01:22	Darkangel	i c
01:23	Darkangel	what is a way to make it to do sound effects b4 it expodes or so many seconds?
01:23	Darkangel	explode*
01:23	Darkangel	is a line of code for that?
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01:32	kaeza	lol https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=124345#p124345
01:37	blaise	is it possible to have cars and roads and stuff?
01:38	kaeza	there's streets mod, and I think someone made a car recently
01:39	kaeza	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7381
01:39	blaise	sweet
01:39	blaise	I put the cart mod on
01:39	blaise	I wanna make a functional railroad
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01:51	Megaf	!up minetest.megaf.info 30003
01:51	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (305ms)
01:51	Megaf	Oh yeah! Back to London baby
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02:01	blaise	!up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org 30000
02:01	MinetestBot	midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000 is up (275ms)
02:01	blaise	:D
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02:09	Inocudom	Freeminer would be a good way to test RealBadAngel's normal-generating patch.
02:10	Inocudom	VanessaE doesn't seem to be interested in making noraml maps for her textures, perhaps because she is waiting for RealBadAngel's patch.
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02:13	Inocudom	https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest/commit/a48d0e9bed5d478e1b9c468484eb81420ffed28b.patch-This is a link to the patch that he posted a few days ago.
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02:14	Inocudom	Freeminer would be a good way to test RealBadAngel's normal-generating patch.
02:14	Inocudom	https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest/commit/a48d0e9bed5d478e1b9c468484eb81420ffed28b.patch-This is a link to the patch that he posted a few days ago.
02:14	Inocudom	https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest/commit/a48d0e9bed5d478e1b9c468484eb81420ffed28b.patch
02:15	Inocudom	Try the link above.
02:18	blaise	I think Inocudom was a bot
02:24	Megaf	!up megaf.no-ip.info 30000
02:24	MinetestBot	megaf.no-ip.info:30000 is up (487ms)
02:25	Darkangel	omg lol wow all most done didnt know editing a peace of Mod into something completely new - ish took so much work but good exp on doin new things =)
02:33	blaise	!up midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org 30000
02:33	MinetestBot	midnightsystems.kicks-ass.org:30000 is up (277ms)
02:44	blaise	some dork is trying to use "Admin" as a username on my server
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02:50	Megaf	Any idea on how to use streets mod traffic light?
02:52	Megaf	digilines
02:52	Megaf	ok
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03:12	OWNSyouAll	Why dosen't minetest kick you off the server when it dies?
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03:35	blaise	anyone know what the name is for diamond ?
03:35	blaise	OWNSyouAll: I've wondered that myself..
03:41	NekoGloop	because it can't
04:01	blaise	wtf is a digg server ?
04:05	VanessaE	one of the myriad servers that run digg.com? :P
04:06	Hirato	someone should do a mobster impression, "You dig?"
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05:40	VanessaE	whoa, cornernote is officially back? cool.
05:40	Peacock	?
05:40	VanessaE	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=124125#p124125
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05:40	VanessaE	(I'm a bit behind on the forums)
05:41	Peacock	so he is
05:41	Peacock	though he's popped into the chat before, so i guess well see how active he becomes :P
05:42	Peacock	well/we'll
05:42	VanessaE	yeah but this is the first I've seen of any intent to actually become active again.
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05:44	Peacock	well thats good news :-) ready for the bad? :P
05:44	VanessaE	?
05:44	Peacock	https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Kevin.de
05:44	VanessaE	saw that.
05:44	VanessaE	not two days after the others get pulled and that ^^^^ shows up
05:44	VanessaE	meh
05:44	Peacock	thats what now, 3 different companies?
05:45	VanessaE	yeah
05:45	Peacock	(none of which seem to be registered or have an actual website)
05:45	Peacock	the worldcraft one seems sketchy, the first screen looks MC, but the inv looks MT
05:47	Peacock	im also kinda wondering what MC would do if they noticed :/
05:48	VanessaE	shakes head
05:50	Peacock	well maybe MC will go after the dev so you guys wont have to at least :P
05:50	VanessaE	heh
05:50	VanessaE	yeah but then that might raise their ire against use.....
05:50	VanessaE	us*
05:51	Peacock	well, the MC-like mods anyways, the game was designed to be a carbon copy
05:51	Peacock	*wasn't
05:53	Peacock	dunno, ever since that apple "look and feel" patent thing winning in the courts, ive worried about users reproducing the look and feel of MC lol
05:54	* VanessaE	shrugs
05:54	VanessaE	c55 already saw it, dunno what he plans to do about it though
05:54	Peacock	more DMCAs i guess, though thatll take another 2 weeks to process
05:55	VanessaE	Whack-a-Mole, round 2.
05:55	Peacock	well, i called it :P
05:55	Peacock	guy did it once with vicono -> playstarz
05:56	Peacock	suddenly IDing clients doesn't sound like such a bad idea lol
05:56	Exio4	is releasing the source code that hard
05:56	VanessaE	Exio4: apparently it must be a life-threatening action or something
05:57	Peacock	so long as the guy packages adware...
05:58	Peacock	i wonder if he uses the same affiliate ID (or whatever its called) to collect the ad monies
05:58	Exio4	they can make it a compile-time flag
05:58	Peacock	compile-time flag.. for releasing source or?
05:59	Exio4	cmake -DAFID=12345abcd
05:59	Peacock	oh to ID clients
05:59	Peacock	well it has to be something you can't easily spoof
05:59	VanessaE	which doesn't exist
06:00	Peacock	might be worth taking a look at how punkbuster works
06:00	Peacock	i know that when i install return to castle wolfenstein, + the patch for working audio, i can't login to most servers, because of the audio patch
06:01	Peacock	(so i usually just play that game in W7 instead)
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06:04	Peacock	i wonder if this 'Admin' guy logs in via proxies, im getting different locations each time
06:05	Peacock	Russia, England, France, US, Philippines, Thailand lol
06:06	Exio4	how many IPs til Argentina
06:06	VanessaE	http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6689143/
06:06	VanessaE	Peacock: ^^^^
06:07	VanessaE	note the filter in line 4
06:07	VanessaE	this mod gets rid of most of the undesirable nicks you see on mt servers.
06:08	VanessaE	written by kaeza and I
06:08	VanessaE	and sfan5
06:08	Peacock	well i can ban names i came up with that last spring :P im just wondering if its the same guy or different people going by the same name
06:08	VanessaE	this doesn't ban
06:08	VanessaE	this denies the connection outright.
06:08	VanessaE	before even so much as an auth.txt entry or players/xxxxx file is created
06:09	Peacock	yeah kaeza told me about the prejoin thing, didn't update my stuff for that though
06:10	Peacock	you could probably eliminate 2 or 3 cases by simply banning anything with more than two digits in it
06:11	VanessaE	nope
06:11	VanessaE	there are a few legit users
06:11	VanessaE	jojoa1997 for example
06:11	VanessaE	babyface1031a
06:11	VanessaE	and a few other
06:11	VanessaE	s
06:11	Peacock	its kinda ridiculous to use digits at all in a community this small
06:11	VanessaE	plus I wanted to give unique responses based in the input
06:11	VanessaE	and these filters are based on what people have actually been doing
06:12	Peacock	mine banned anyone with more than two digits or connected from Brasil lol though i haven't copied that over to my latest game yet
06:12	Peacock	(cuz of the prejoin update thing)
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06:13	Peacock	though the BR's seem to have mellowed out since they got their own server where the admin speaks the language lol
06:15	Peacock	i still get requests in german and other languages though lol i would have written a translation mod for the chat if the API access didn't cost $$$
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07:16	blaise	hey, the areas protection mod I selected isn't going over so well with my userbase
07:16	blaise	apparently people are inherently stupid and refuse to read directions
07:16	Peacock	thats to be expected lol
07:16	Peacock	you should see my server, it's like a demilitarized zone lol
07:16	blaise	XD
07:17	blaise	you know what I thought when mc first came out
07:17	Peacock	?
07:17	blaise	there was a game called tribes2 which later became tribesnext after they made it free
07:17	blaise	and there was a construction mod for it..
07:18	blaise	and people would be building structures and stuff in the middle of a massive violent war
07:18	blaise	pretty cool..
07:19	blaise	anywho,
07:20	blaise	I guess I need a list of protection mods... :\
07:21	blaise	this one looks acceptable https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2800
07:21	VanessaE	use the areas mod.
07:21	Peacock	theres the block-based one that people seem to like
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07:31	blaise	are they compatable with each other?
07:32	Peacock	areas are areas, theres like a dozen mods for that
07:32	blaise	also, the other day I found a mod that would provide restart countdown...
07:32	Peacock	the block ones users set up themselves, which is probably why they like them
07:32	blaise	can't remember what it was called and I can't find it
07:33	Peacock	im still trying to figure out wtf minetest.request_shutdown() is supposed to do since it obviously doesn't shutdown my server lol
07:33	blaise	lmao
07:33	blaise	Node Owner is the mod I added recently
07:33	blaise	like a few min ago
07:33	blaise	but I would like a mod that will post countdown for restart
07:34	Peacock	thats what i tried to do :P
07:34	Peacock	it would warn people 60 seconds to shutdown or restart, minetest after kicks in, but request shutdown does nothing apparently
07:34	blaise	ah, simple shutdown helper
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07:34	blaise	found it
07:35	blaise	Peacock: is that what you're looking at?
07:35	blaise	I don't really care so much if it's functional to shut the server down..
07:35	Peacock	nah i just wrote something on the fly, its half a dozen lines
07:35	blaise	ah
07:36	xiong	http://dev.minetest.net/Installing_Mods
07:36	Peacock	wtf is that for lol
07:36	xiong	Does a way exist to restore or simulate 0.4.6 behavior in this respect?
07:36	blaise	Peacock: this thing is pretty awesome.. if globalstep is too big, it'll restart on it's own
07:36	Peacock	not without installing 046
07:36	blaise	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6765
07:37	xiong	I just want to load all mods in mods/ by default.
07:37	Peacock	minetest.request_shutdown() <-- what i did , to no effect lol
07:38	Peacock	guess it doesn't work in minetest.after
07:38	Peacock	xiong id just make a game with those mods
07:39	Peacock	and no, i dont know why they had to fuck around with the mod paths :P another fine example of autism lol
07:39	xiong	Peacock, I considered it. There are issues with that -- I don't want to take over all the minetest_game mods, which is what, for example, technic_game does.
07:39	Peacock	well copy the mods you want from any/all the games you want into the new game folder
07:39	xiong	Maybe I should put all mods in an 'all' modpack and enable that.
07:39	Hirato	you can still chuck everything inside mods - they're just not enabled by default :P
07:40	xiong	Peacock, I do not want to do what technic_game does.
07:40	xiong	Hirato, I don't want to chuck any mods.
07:40	Peacock	ah well, bring your concerns to -dev, im sure they can find an even more convoluted way of doing things :P
07:41	xiong	No thanks, convoluted enough now. ;)
07:42	Peacock	every time i make a gamepack, i just copy default from minetest_game and forget the rest lol
07:42	Peacock	blaise i think this is it: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2793
07:42	xiong	I don't think I follow you, Peacock. What 'default' exactly do you mean?
07:43	Exio4	yay
07:43	Exio4	the recording/streaming was nice
07:43	Peacock	the default mod, little use for the others (for me)
07:44	xiong	Ah, that's what I thought you meant. Seems a bit strange to me, though. You are just using the engine, then, and creating a game from scratch, truly.
07:45	Peacock	gamepacks are handy for having different combinations of mods
07:45	Peacock	people used to just add their mods to minetest_game, but then it got bloated lol
07:45	xiong	I'm not sure I'll be helping if I explain my point again. Do you see what technic_game does?
07:46	Peacock	i dont have enough cores to run technic :P
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07:46	Peacock	though i do have plans to get an octocore in 3-4 years
07:47	xiong	https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic_game
07:47	Peacock	by then we might have hexacores though :/
07:47	xiong	I have no interest in running technic either. I'm looking at how they manage a 'game'.
07:47	xiong	Check out mods/ and you will see what they did there.
07:48	Peacock	could always symlink, that way your game pack is more or less in sync with minetest_game
07:48	xiong	Okay, I'd better get back to work.
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08:09	kahrl	Peacock: are you running a server started from the menu or minetestserver?
08:09	kahrl	because request_shutdown only works in the latter case
08:09	Peacock	that explains it
08:10	Peacock	terminal -> minetest client (menu)
08:10	Peacock	can't really run a server without keeping an eye on the little brats :P
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08:50	xiong	Okay, I'm stalled on mod loading. The various obvious pages just don't explain it. I can't find docs for modpack at all.
08:52	xyz	Peacock: we already have hexacores
08:52	xiong	I have, for now, got a modpack with 'ui' in it; and also 'ui' by itself. Both are symlinks sitting inside ~/.minetest/mods/ and... weird stuff.
08:53	xiong	If I enable both the modpack and the mod itself in world.mt... or I enable only the mod... I get the same console output, which tells me a mod conflict has been found.
08:54	xiong	Is it true then that (a) mods/ itself and the contents of all modpacks, indiscriminately, are searched for enabled mods? and (b) entire modpacks cannot be enabled in world.mt?
08:55	xyz	Peacock: you probably meant dodecacore but those already exist too http://ark.intel.com/products/75283/
08:55	xyz	$2.6k only
08:56	Peacock	ill get my chauffeur to swing by with the Rolls to pick it up :P
08:56	Peacock	and here i am with a puny dualcore
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09:31	Peacock	that was like a big countdown lol
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09:31	Peacock	for awhile there i was Lord Regent over six people XD
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09:33	VanessaE	that was one hell of a netsplit too
09:33	VanessaE	at least from my vantage
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09:35	Peacock	someone's been cloning xyz's
09:36	xyz	nah, I was trying to connect
09:36	xyz	thought only one node got splitted away
09:36	xyz	err, s/splitted/split/, english still too hard
09:36	Peacock	love the hostname though :P
09:40	xyz	chanserv still away
09:40	xyz	and I guess services in general
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09:47	us_0gb	Peacock: I imagine to get that hostname, xyz must control his own IP address. No ISP.
09:51	Peacock	or has that cloaking device thingy
09:51	Hirato	or just IPv6
09:51	Peacock	or a magic unicorn
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09:52	Peacock	im leaning towards the unicorn as the most plausible of explanations
09:52	Hirato	!rainbow a magical unicorn named Peacock
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09:53	Hirato	that rainbow's kind of lame, should really progress through 7 colours :P
09:54	Peacock	seriously, and wtf kind of rainbow uses brown lol
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10:05	sfan5	us_0gb: I sometimes change my hostmask because there is no IPv6 reverse dns record for minetest.ru, it doesn't respond to me then
10:05	sfan5	s/then/in that case/
10:12	sfan5	Hirato: fork and pull request then
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10:18	xyz	vp9 is the future of video encoding!
10:18	xyz	http://i.imgur.com/jdetd6h.png
10:20	sfan5	VLC is the future of media players
10:20	sfan5	I mean it's terrible at network streaming
10:20	Hirato	yikes, run for it sfan5!
10:21	sfan5	mpv plays anything fine with 5 MB/s dl over HTTP
10:21	sfan5	VLC demands more and fucks up the video
10:21	Hirato	there's no need to be snide, VP9 obviously just has a built in Depth of Field filter
10:22	xyz	mpv is the only true media player
10:22	xyz	(at the time of writing this)
10:22	* sfan5	is glad his school at least uses VLC instead of relying on shit like WMP
10:23	xyz	> vlc
10:23	sfan5	they won't switch because vlc is the player most teachers are familiar with
10:24	Hirato	xyz: that screenshot does imply that h264 is running at over twice the bitrate
10:24	Hirato	or what do those numbers mean?
10:25	xyz	Hirato: well you didn't see the original one
10:25	xyz	http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/vp9-bitrate.png
10:25	xyz	I just enhanced it a bit
10:26	Hirato	lol
10:26	Hirato	did VP9 turn part of the kid's ear into the wallpaper? lol
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10:27	xyz	they should at least compare with HEVC
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10:28	Hirato	or darlah
10:29	xyz	wtf is that
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10:29	Hirato	WIP theora successor
10:29	xyz	daala?
10:29	Hirato	my bad
10:29	Calinou	Daala
10:30	xyz	I heard it's pretty bad and can't be compared with h264
10:30	Calinou	it's not finished
10:30	Calinou	it was only started a few months ago :P
10:32	sfan5	!g daala
10:32	MinetestBot	sfan5: https://www.xiph.org/daala/
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10:32	xyz	do you think it'll succeed?
10:32	xyz	considering everyone will push hevc
10:33	Hirato	google and mozilla might push daala if VP9 doesn't gain traction
10:33	Hirato	but it looks like VP9 will gain traction
10:34	xyz	look at this quality post I've stolen from /g/ http://i.imgur.com/xbmVMQy.jpg
10:34	Hirato	talk about abnormally low jpeg settings
10:34	xyz	so is there anything good about daala except it being patent-free (for now)?
10:35	sfan5	jpg with 10% quality FTW
10:35	sfan5	xyz: that post only shows that boobs are less nice with jpg :P
10:36	Hirato	!g xkcd pixelated
10:36	MinetestBot	Hirato: http://xkcd.com/598/
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10:41	xyz	sfan5: you took it
10:42	Evolykane	How do I use the MineTest cutscene system in a mod? Or does MineTest hasn't any?
10:43	sfan5	Evolykane: how about you read the documentation before you ask?
10:44	xyz	"Minetest is a game in beta. The developers expect the users (testers) to have basic computing skills which include but are not limited to:"
10:44	sfan5	"Baking cookies"
10:44	Hirato	"Charming Snakes"
10:45	Hirato	"Dragon Whispering"
10:45	Hirato	and of course "Caretaking howto of nyancats" :P
10:45	xyz	applying a patch; compiling minetestserver in debug mode; running it under gdb; understanding how gdb works; understanding how to work with cores
10:53	Evolykane	I don't have the time to check a whole API for a cutscene-System I know from Minecraft wich may doesn't exist in MT
10:54	Calinou	there are cutscenes?
10:54	sfan5	Evolykane: 1) doesn't your browser have a search function 2) MC doesn't have one
10:55	Evolykane	MC has one sfan5, have you ever coded a mod in MineCraft?
10:55	sfan5	lol, sure I did
10:55	Calinou	Minecraft has no cutscenes either
10:55	Calinou	it did have debug features for camera, but these are not in releases
10:55	Evolykane	F.e. look at FTB
10:55	Calinou	and they are not in recent snapshots eitheer
10:55	sfan5	facepalm
10:55	sfan5	FTB is heavily modded
10:56	sfan5	one of the mods adds a cutscene system
10:56	sfan5	MC doesn't have one by default
10:56	Evolykane	I now, but the Mods use MCs Cutscene System
10:56	Evolykane	surely by default
10:56	sfan5	ARE YOU EVEN LISTENING? I just said MC doesn't have one
10:57	sfan5	the minecraft wiki has no entry on cutscenes, so they don't exist
10:57	sfan5	http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/index.php?search=cutscene
10:57	Hirato	cutscenes are lame anyway
10:58	sfan5	Evolykane: if there are cutscenes, please provide evidence
10:58	sfan5	s/,//
10:59	xiong	Cutscenes are great. They're like teevee commercials; you have a chance to go pee.
11:00	Hirato	HEUHEUHEUHEHEU
11:00	sfan5	>not having your computer, monitor, mouse & keyboard at your toilet
11:01	Hirato	never watched southpark have you?
11:01	sfan5	me? no
11:01	sfan5	I assume what xiong said was a quote from south park
11:01	Hirato	the episode's infamous; the WoW episode
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11:02	xiong	No, sfan5; but I'm flattered, I guess.
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11:10	xyz	sfan5: have a cute gif http://i.imgur.com/PxgBepj.gif
11:11	* sfan5	calms down and meows
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11:36	Megaf	mods really does make the server absolutely slow
11:37	xyz	wow, really?
11:37	Megaf	Are you being ironic?
11:40	xyz	:(
11:42	xiong	Some mods more than others.
11:42	xiong	Incidentally, I created an empty modpack in minetest_game and moved 'bones' in there; still works. I say the feature is just a shell.
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11:48	VanessaE	anyone have any opinion on this: http://www.ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/pe1.xml
11:48	VanessaE	fewer cores but everything other feature blows my current VPS out of the water
11:49	VanessaE	s/thing//
11:51	xyz	never worked with ovh
11:52	xyz	but there seems to be no raid?
11:52	VanessaE	sadly, no.
11:53	VanessaE	however with 2TB available, and about 50 times more bandwidth than I actually need, I could easily just back up to my local machine or something.
11:53	VanessaE	(and software-RAID across multiple partitions)
11:53	VanessaE	(or something)
11:54	xyz	what's the point of that raid then?
11:54	specing	whatever, its sold out
11:54	specing	lol
11:54	xyz	it's not
11:56	VanessaE	xyz: I don't know a lot about RAID, really, but seems like some redundancy might be useful, in the event that some part of the disk goes bad (obviously that can't stop a whole-disk failure)
11:57	* VanessaE	keeps that tab open and resumes searching,
11:57	specing	xyz: it is
11:58	specing	It says so for me
11:58	VanessaE	where does it say that?
11:58	xyz	guess they don't want to sell it to you
12:00	specing	VanessaE: http://www.kimsufi.com/fr/#servers
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12:00	VanessaE	ah that was the one y'all pointed to the other day
12:01	VanessaE	if only I could read it :_)
12:01	specing	VanessaE: do you understand the prices?
12:02	VanessaE	more or less yeah
12:02	specing	kimsufi is selling OVH's excess bandwidth
12:02	VanessaE	nothing available in north america though :(
12:02	specing	thin provisioning
12:02	xyz	specing: what's this, she was talking about other server
12:03	xyz	the one VanessaE linked to is available, and isn't even listed on your page
12:03	xyz	because it's not kimsufi I guess
12:03	specing	xyz: and, am I forbidden from suggesting other providers?
12:04	xyz	well you said it's "sold out", didn't you?
12:04	specing	it is
12:04	xyz	it's not
12:04	xyz	lol, this is so pointless
12:04	VanessaE	maybe because I have Canada/NA selected
12:04	* VanessaE	shrugs
12:05	VanessaE	this is all virgin territory for me
12:05	specing	Oh, I didn't have javascript enabled
12:05	xyz	specing: http://i.imgur.com/BpHry7Y.png
12:05	xyz	opinion discarded D:
12:06	specing	http://i.imgur.com/OKPs8Ra.png
12:06	xyz	well it says "calculating", can't you see it?
12:06	xyz	wait for it or something
12:07	specing	javasceript was off
12:07	xyz	your fault
12:08	specing	kimsufi used to have a 3.5 Eur/month dedicated dual-core atom server 0.o
12:08	specing	it was sold out in 5 mins, lol
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12:31	VanessaE	well I ordered it.
12:32	VanessaE	hope this doesn't come back to bite me in the ass late.
12:32	VanessaE	later*
12:34	specing	proller: what happened to FreeHCK's residence @ Sky?
12:35	specing	Its completely destroyed
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13:03	sacha__	hi there
13:04	sacha__	are there any online hunger game servers for minetest?
13:04	VanessaE	there used to be one or two
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13:06	sfan5	"the organs would be subject to your perverse or otherwise mind" --https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=124426#p124426
13:06	sfan5	hi john_minetest
13:06	sacha__	VanessaE: does a hunger game server require any particular mods?
13:07	sacha__	or is it just a question to enable damage?
13:07	sfan5	sacha__: I have the hungry_games modpack on my server
13:09	sacha__	sfan5, john_minetest, VanessaE: thanks for the pointers :)
13:09	xyz	aww that topic
13:09	xyz	at least use spellcheck
13:10	sacha__	sfan5: what's the address of your server and can anyone join?
13:11	* sfan5	is surprised that mpv uses only 2MB/s while http streaming, while VLC fails with 5 MB/s available bandwidth
13:11	sfan5	!server hunger games
13:11	MinetestBot	sfan5: Hunger Games \| 79.235.43.232:30002 \| Clients: 0/25, 14 \| Version: 0.4.9 \| ping: 0.749
13:11	sfan5	^ sacha__
13:11	xyz	what are you streaming?
13:12	Hirato	the only potential difference, is that VLC doesn't cache what it streams for very long, if you seek backwards, it actually redownlodas those segments
13:12	Hirato	which is kind of annoying
13:13	Hirato	I only use it for streaming when youtube's fucking up anyway :P
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13:32	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
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13:38	EvergreenTree	/wavebranch
13:40	MinetestBot	GIT: Novatux commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix bugs with multi-rules conductors (like crossing) that have param2 d5b39951a4 2014-01-04T05:15:41-08:00 http://git.io/tCULOA
13:44	Megaf	Hello PilzAdam
13:44	Megaf	I just came to a conclusion
13:44	Megaf	minetest protocol is very good for single player and local hosting
13:45	Megaf	and at the same time is the worst thing ever for multiplayer and remote server
13:45	Hirato	considering how laggy it is, even in singleplayer, I have to respectfully disagree :p
13:45	Megaf	also, mods do make minetest really slow
13:46	Megaf	I did some tests with local server
13:46	Megaf	I had lag with the server running on the very same machine
13:46	Megaf	and a lot of lag
13:46	Megaf	even with plenty of CPU and memory to spare
13:47	Megaf	so again, its protocol its a piece of non working thing
13:47	Megaf	Hirato, I guess you are correct
13:47	Hirato	could just be transport I suppose
13:51	VanessaE	some mods will slow minetest down, yes
13:51	VanessaE	it really depends on which ones you run though
13:52	VanessaE	a mod such as, let's say, moreblocks, won't have any effect at all
13:52	VanessaE	or homedecor
13:52	VanessaE	moreores will add some mapgen lag
13:52	VanessaE	plantlife modpack, more trees will add more
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13:52	PilzAdam	Nodetopia is really lightweight too
13:52	VanessaE	mesecons, technic add some realtime lag IF they're running stuff like a complex circuit
13:53	Hirato	I don't care; the server shouldn't take 3 secodns to respond to requests from localhost :p
13:55	VanessaE	the server is mostly single-threaded.
13:55	VanessaE	if Lua is busy, it can't process network packets
13:55	VanessaE	it can't run the mapgen
13:55	VanessaE	etc.
13:55	VanessaE	to a certain degree anyway
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13:58	Megaf	<VanessaE> the server is mostly single-threaded.
13:58	Megaf	<VanessaE> if Lua is busy, it can't process network packets
13:58	Megaf	<VanessaE> it can't run the mapgen
13:58	Megaf	So thats the biggest problem
13:58	Hirato	why not multithread it in a very simple way?
13:58	Megaf	so I cave 8 XEON cores for nothing?
13:59	Megaf	and HT
13:59	xyz	yes
13:59	Hirato	ie dig/place packets, do some simple validation and just distribute them to the other clients, and add them onto a worker queue
13:59	xyz	can throw it away as well
13:59	Hirato	the server can do it properly once it gets around to it
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13:59	xyz	Hirato: you can't do this because you'll have to make Lua multithreaded
13:59	xyz	and this is boring and no one will do that
13:59	VanessaE	Hirato: the plan eventually is to do exactly this, but how that will be accomplished is anyone's guess
14:00	Hirato	xyz: not the point, the Lua thread gets a queue of actions to process - this network thread doesn't care about that
14:01	Hirato	it just keeps things responsive and gets back to the client later when their action has been processed
14:01	xyz	Hirato: indeed, but you can't place a node without executing the on place callback
14:02	Hirato	xyz: look at it this way: 1) client a sends a packet to dig node 13,12,4, in block xyz, he has permission to do it, so I'll put this in an action queue, and tell the other clients he did this
14:02	PilzAdam	VanessaE, have you seen that I have fixed the bug you reported in stats?
14:03	xyz	Hirato: you can't know if he has the permission to dig it without executing the Lua code
14:03	Hirato	voila, the lua thread will process the action eventually, if there's gravel and other shit that needs to be simulated
14:03	VanessaE	PilzAdam: I have but I have not had a chance to re-enable it
14:03	Hirato	oh right.. the protected zones mods
14:04	Hirato	anyway, the point is to just queue the action so the lua thread can process and properly validate it later
14:04	xyz	you can't process it
14:05	VanessaE	part of the problem is properly separating actions in one part of the map from actions taking place in some other part of the map too
14:05	Hirato	but you're not actually processing it, ffs!
14:05	xyz	you can't send anything to clients
14:05	Hirato	you're queueing it for processing when the lua thread isn't busy processign liquids or whatever
14:05	xyz	you don't know what should happen when you dig a node
14:06	VanessaE	there's no reason that placing a node at 100,1,100 should cause any delay in processing events taking place 5 mapblocks away (or whatever the active mapblock range happens to be for a given server)
14:06	VanessaE	(for example)
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14:07	xyz	that's a bad example, what if on_place callback of such node tries to access that other node which is located 5 mapblocks away?
14:07	VanessaE	xyz: then and only then should it lock the other mapblock.
14:07	VanessaE	otherwise the other mapblock (and the events taking place therein) should continue blithely away
14:08	xyz	"let's add race conditions because modding wasn't too hard!"
14:08	VanessaE	of course this is all "big environment lock" territory
14:08	VanessaE	not multithreading, as such
14:08	xyz	you'll need to add locks to Lua, and a way to share data between Lua threads, at least
14:09	VanessaE	that has been discussed already, as I recall
14:09	VanessaE	it's messy, but something has to be done, for sure
14:09	Hirato	xyz: it's not about being accurate on the clients, it's about giving them a rough idea AND KEEPING IT RESPONSIVE until the server gets around to processing their requests
14:09	VanessaE	users will learn to avoid mods that just plain suck, and if they can't, that's their own faul
14:09	sfan5	>comparing 512px texture pack with 1px texture pack
14:09	sfan5	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=124424#p124424
14:09	sfan5	wat
14:09	VanessaE	fault*
14:09	xyz	"has to be" is indeed a nice choice of words indeed
14:10	xyz	indeed
14:10	xyz	Hirato: i smell race conditions here as well
14:10	Hirato	there's no reason it can't do coarse processing for things like, player a moved here, or b moved there, or c is placing this here while it's busy doing other things
14:11	Hirato	network wise? embed timestamps, problem solved
14:12	Hirato	sides, object/node placement is reliable, so those would arrive in order
14:12	xyz	anyway, this doesn't solve the problem; the server will feel laggy anyway
14:13	xyz	except for the simplest cases, but for that you can as well play -classic
14:14	Hirato	you know what some other games do with lua?
14:14	Hirato	they add limiters,
14:14	xyz	they limit what exactly?
14:14	xyz	time per step?
14:14	Hirato	Arcanum for example, I think they limited loops to 250 iterations, and if the loop exceeded it, it would continue on the next frame or something like that
14:14	xyz	we have something like that in FM
14:15	Exio4	more like "250 iterations and throw it away"
14:15	Exio4	iirc
14:16	Hirato	it was something like that, it would resume, not resume and start over
14:16	Hirato	I'm not too sure of details right now ^_^
14:16	Hirato	basically throttled events that take too long so other parts don't get starved
14:16	xyz	if ABMs take more than 100 ms or so we just break out of the processing loop
14:16	VanessaE	you mean time slices.
14:16	xyz	yes, that's what some of proller's patches do
14:16	VanessaE	save the state of the Lua engine, shut it down, let the rest of the system run for a while
14:16	VanessaE	then resume it
14:17	xyz	although we can't just "stop" a function
14:17	xyz	while it's executing
14:17	VanessaE	xyz: strange, we had that shit figured out back in the 80's :)
14:17	Hirato	as I said, these guys did it in the loop counter :P
14:18	xyz	VanessaE: cool, but do you think those days everything is as simple as it was back then?
14:19	Hirato	it ways its simpler with your new fangled abstractions and shit :P
14:19	VanessaE	xyz: grammar FAIL.... sure, things were simpler back then. But if we could figure it out then, what's stopping us from figuring those same things out now? Did we forget the concept of preemptive multitasking?
14:21	xyz	grammer feil where exactly?
14:22	VanessaE	you probably "these days"
14:22	xyz	ah, I see
14:22	VanessaE	"those days" would be past tense, "these" is present tense.
14:23	xyz	right
14:24	xyz	well! the good thing is that nothing stops you from implementing stuff like that in Minetest
14:24	xyz	anyway, I don't see how's that related to the discussion
14:24	VanessaE	...
14:24	VanessaE	the discussion is about getting minetest to lag less under heavy, lua-related load, no?
14:24	xyz	proller's thing with breaking out of lua processing between callback calls is good enough
14:25	Hirato	tell that to freeminer's weather mod
14:28	proller	you can disable weather and finite liquid
14:28	xyz	I thought the only problem about it is related to how particles are implemented?
14:28	Hirato	probably should
14:29	Hirato	xyz: it's more than weather spawns liquid and this has a massive cascading effect of activating all the liquid blocks in the ocean
14:29	sfan5	ChanServ is gone!
14:29	sfan5	!op
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14:29	sfan5	ah goddamnit
14:29	VanessaE	missed it by that \| \| much
14:30	proller	liquids processing limites to 0.1s in every step
14:30	Hirato	if it does that, then why do changes in my inventory take many seconds to be reflected?
14:31	Hirato	ie, moving wood into the crafting grid
14:31	proller	but it causes lighting recalc
14:31	proller	enable profiler and show log
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14:31	Hirato	don't you have the last one I gave you?
14:32	proller	debug_log_level = 4 profiler_print_interval = 10
14:32	proller	no, i not recieved any
14:32	proller	freeminer with 2 mob mods works on my ARM odroid without inventory lag
14:33	proller	it 10x slower cpu than any i5-i7
14:37	Hirato	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23891252/debug.tar.xz here's the old one on my dropbox
14:39	proller	yes, you have 1-1.5s steps
14:40	proller	how much cpu you have?
14:41	Hirato	3.2GHz
14:41	Hirato	hexacore
14:41	proller	mobs take 0.5-0.7s every step
14:42	Exio4	how much cpu? > frequency
14:42	Exio4	wut
14:43	xyz	Server step: set the modified blocks unsent for all the clients took 717ms
14:43	* Hirato	slaps Exio4
14:43	xyz	feels a bit wrong
14:43	proller	liquid_update = 5 liquid_send = 10 - maybe helpt bit
14:43	Hirato	that debug.txt was from a debug build
14:44	proller	try release, it can be 5-10x faster
14:44	Hirato	it definitely is - it was a debug build because I needed debug symbols to track down this issue https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1051 :p
14:45	xyz	hey, but there's a pull request now!
14:45	proller	gles already disabled by default in FM
14:46	Hirato	took long enough for it :P
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14:46	xyz	was a very hard bug
14:47	Hirato	it's very obvious something's not right in regards to the rain
14:47	Hirato	suddenly TORRENT!! nothing TORRENT!! nothing TORRENT!! nothing
14:47	Hirato	etc
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14:48	xyz	well, I guess that's because of particles? although not too sure
14:48	sfan5	you are downloading torrents with minetest?
14:48	Hirato	sfan5: -_-
14:48	Krock	hi
14:48	xyz	> jan 4 > still drunk
14:49	sfan5	xyz: I did not drink anything at new year
14:49	PilzAdam	will be a good year
14:49	xyz	> being intoxicated without drinking anything
14:49	Hirato	he gets high on life
14:49	sfan5	it's the air
14:52	Hirato	sudddenly it's pouring non-stop :o
14:53	xyz	magic!
14:53	Hirato	but jsut for a little while, haha
14:53	sfan5	unicorns
14:54	MinetestBot	GIT: Novatux commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fixes with multi-conductors that have special connects ae557d1cd4 2014-01-04T06:52:52-08:00 http://git.io/_Fw3zg
14:54	xyz	oh well, it runs every step without limiting it in register_on_globalstep; I guess I should kill someone for doing that
14:55	Hirato	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23891252/debug.txt.xz debug log with release
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14:55	xyz	hmm... there should be a function to register callback to run every X seconds
14:55	Megaf_	VanessaE, ping
14:56	Hirato	new map, default mods only
14:56	VanessaE	pong
14:56	xyz	it should also distribute them somehow because in current situation a lot of mods limit itself by running, say, every one second, so there's a chance that a lot of run at the same server step anyway
14:57	Hirato	can always distribute them randomly
14:57	xyz	of course
14:58	xyz	why's "ABM apply" taking this long, it should be limited by some of stuff proller wrote
14:58	Hirato	I guess the lighting's the big limiter
15:00	xyz	ah, wait, it doesn't seem to be limited at all
15:00	xyz	oh, no, it actually is
15:00	xyz	reading code is sure a hard task
15:03	xyz	ahh, I guess it's cumulative value, not per-step
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15:03	xyz	"Run Map's timers and unload unused data took 873ms"
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15:04	Megaf_	VanessaE, It cant find the mods
15:04	Megaf_	14:54:09: ERROR[main]: The following mods could not be found: "animated_f
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15:04	Megaf_	I could not find any mods
15:04	VanessaE	Megaf_: you did something wrong then
15:05	Megaf_	I put everything in the mods folder, just as it was before
15:05	VanessaE	I am using that build on five servers.
15:05	VanessaE	it is a drop-in replacement
15:05	VanessaE	no configuration changes were needed
15:05	VanessaE	(ref: this is sapier's UDP fixes fork)
15:05	Megaf_	I copied this way, cp -R oldserver/mods/* newserver/mods/
15:05	VanessaE	that isn't enough
15:05	VanessaE	you also have to configure your worlds etc etc too
15:05	Megaf_	and I copied the worlds folder too
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15:06	VanessaE	an artifact of run-in-place
15:06	Megaf_	and I copied hte minetest.conf file
15:06	Megaf_	oh, I did something wrong
15:06	Hirato	haha, you guys should do some QA on the non run-in-place stuff :P
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15:07	Hirato	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1048 this affects more things than you think, eg, mods in /usr/share/minetest/mods don't show up at all i nthe menu :P
15:08	Megaf_	VanessaE, can you please login and see if tis working?
15:08	Megaf_	Im on the move now
15:08	VanessaE	not right now
15:09	Megaf_	!up minetest.megaf.info 30003
15:09	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (188ms)
15:09	Megaf_	188 ms?
15:09	Megaf_	thats a new record
15:09	Megaf_	!up minetest.megaf.info 30003
15:09	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (199ms)
15:09	Megaf_	wow, the sapier's build is much better
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15:10	xyz	Hirato: yeah that's true
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15:12	sfan5	!rainbow testtesttesttesttest
15:12	MinetestBot	4t7e8s3tt6es4t7t8e3st6te4s7t8t3es6t
15:12	sfan5	!rainbow Hirato: does this rainbow look better?
15:12	MinetestBot	4H7i8r3at6o:4 7d8o3es6 t4h7i8s3 r6ai4n7b8o3w 6lo4o7k8 3be6tt4e7r8?
15:14	xyz	http://i.imgur.com/ZaL3Mgg.jpg
15:15	sfan5	that looks like it's from strike witches
15:15	Hirato	4I was7 thin8king9 mor2e like t6his!
15:16	sfan5	xyz: am i correct?
15:16	Hirato	but yes, it does look better :)
15:17	xyz	sick pedo D:
15:17	sfan5	me?
15:17	Hirato	speak for yourself, he who must see his lolis in perfect detail with CCCP :D
15:18	* Hirato	bolts
15:18	sfan5	lol, I did not watch strike witches
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15:19	xyz	I don't have Windows so no CCCP for me
15:20	Hirato	4so sf7an5, i8s this9 a bit2 TOO gay for6 you? ;)
15:21	sfan5	eh, no
15:21	Hirato	it's a pretty pretty rainbow :D
15:22	sfan5	!rainbow testtest test test t e s t; rainbow nyan kitty meow nyan~
15:22	MinetestBot	4t4e4s7t7t7e8s8t8 3t3e3st t6e6s6t t 4e4 4s7 7t7;8 8r8a3i3n3bow 6n6y6an k4i4t4t7y7 7m8e8o8w3 3n3yan~
15:22	sfan5	what about that?
15:22	Hirato	oooh, I like
15:24	xyz	sfan5: so what are you watching?
15:24	sfan5	look at myanimelist pls
15:25	sfan5	I only torrented ep 9 of boku wa tomodachi ga sukinai and it's seeding like shit
15:25	xyz	no, I mean, like, from the new season that's coming
15:25	sfan5	4.1 ratio
15:25	sfan5	dunno
15:25	Hirato	dunno, nothing really caught my eye aside from space-dandy
15:26	Hirato	I'll probably check out Wizard Barristers and Noragami at least
15:26	sfan5	I usually decide spontaneously what to watch
15:28	MinetestBot	4d4a4s7h
15:29	MinetestBot	4M4o4d7e7l7l8e8i8s3e3n3bahn6g6l6eist4e4i4l7w7Ã¤7r8t8e8r3m3Ã¼3tzen6a6u6frec4h4t4h7a7l7t8e8r8r3e3g3enbo6g6e6ngen4e4r4a7t7o7r8s8c8h3m3i3erÃ¶l6s6t6utze4n4!
15:29	xyz	lol, the first ep got leaked already
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15:30	Hirato	"dash" with I suggested would probably look like this: 4d7a9sh
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15:31	sfan5	wait.. they want to show suisei no gargantia on 4th jan? thats today..
15:32	sfan5	s/ on/2 on/
15:32	Hirato	lol
15:32	Hirato	they dropped the ball so hard for the first season after the second episode
15:32	meldrian	john_minetest, best word ever
15:33	Hirato	!rainbow hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia
15:33	MinetestBot	4h4i4p7p7o7p8o8t8o3m3o3nstr6o6s6esqu4i4p4e7d7a7l8i8o8p3h3o3bia
15:34	sfan5	!rainbow I like cookies
15:34	MinetestBot	4I4 4l7i7k7e8 8c8o3o3k3ies
15:35	Hirato	!rainbow I'll eat your pudding
15:35	MinetestBot	4I4'4l7l7 7e8a8t8 3y3o3ur p6u6d6ding
15:35	sfan5	D:
15:35	MinetestBot	4E4E4E7E7E7E8E8E8E3E3E3EEEE6E6E6EEEE4E4E4E7E7E7E8E8E8E3E3E3[x]:6â€‹36 6 NYA4N4!
15:35	sfan5	E?
15:36	sfan5	âŒ£
15:36	Hirato	not very creative eh
15:36	MinetestBot	4R4a4i7n7b7o8w What?
15:37	MinetestBot	4Ð–4Ð–4Ð–7Ð–7Ð–7Ð–8Ð–8Ð–8Ð–3Ð–3Ð–3Ð–Ð–Ð–Ð–6Ð–6Ð–6\|[x]4:4Ð—
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15:37	MinetestBot	4â˜4â˜4â˜7â˜7â˜7â˜8â˜8â˜8â˜3â˜3â˜3â˜â˜â˜â˜6â˜6â˜6â˜[x]4:4â€‹34 7 7N7Y8A8N8!
15:39	Hirato	!rainbow ä·€ä·ä·‚ä·ƒä·„ä·…ä·†ä·‡ä·ˆä·‰ä·Šä·‹ä·Œä·ä·Žä·ä·ä·‘ä·’ä·“ä·”ä·•ä·–ä·—ä·˜ä·™ä·šä·›ä·œä·ä·žä·Ÿä· ä·¡ä·¢ä·£ä·¤ä·¥ä·¦ä·§ä·¨
15:39	MinetestBot	4ä·€4ä·4ä·‚7ä·ƒ7ä·„7ä·…8ä·†8ä·‡8ä·ˆ3ä·‰3ä·Š3ä·‹ä·Œä·ä·Ž6ä·6ä·6ä·‘ä·’ä·“ä·”4ä·•4ä·–4ä·—7ä·˜7ä·™7ä·š8ä·›8ä·œ8ä·3ä·ž3ä·Ÿ3ä· ä·¡ä·¢ä·£6ä·¤6ä·¥6ä·¦ä·§ä·¨
15:39	sfan5	!rainbow unicode yay!
15:40	MinetestBot	4u4n4i7c7o7d8e8 8y3a3y3!
15:40	Hirato	!rainbow â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â–
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15:40	Hirato	:D
15:41	MinetestBot	4â– 4â– 4â– 7â– 7â– 7â– 8â– 8â– 8â– 3â– 3â– 3â– â– â– â– 6â– 6â– 6â– â– â– â– 4â– 4â– 4â– 7â– 7â– 7â– 8â– 8â– 8â– 3â– 3â– 3â– â– â– â– 6â– 6â– 6â– â– â– â– 4â– 4â– 4â– 7â– 7â– 7â– 8â– 8â– 8â– 3â– 3â– 3â– â– â– â– 6â– 6â– 6â– [Ð–]4:4â€‹34 7N7Y7A8N8 8N3Y3A3N NY6A6N6 NYA4N4 4N7Y7A7N8 8N8Y3A3N3 NYA6N6
15:42	xyz	!rainbow ï¼äººâ—• â€¿â€¿ â—•äººï¼¼
15:42	MinetestBot	4ï¼4äºº4â—•7 7â€¿7â€¿8 8â—•8äºº3ï¼¼
15:42	Megaf	back
15:42	Hirato	make the nyancat some random braile
15:43	Hirato	!rainbow â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– [â¡šâ¢•]:3 NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN
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15:43	Hirato	eh? truncated?
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15:49	Hirato	DATABASE! JUST LIVIN IN THE DATABASE!
15:51	PilzAdam	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=124479#p124479
15:51	PilzAdam	this is like the 10th topic about this
15:51	PilzAdam	will he ever stop creating new ones?
15:51	Hirato	lolwut
15:52	Hirato	I'm going to have to pause my anime to read this
15:55	Hirato	that was weird
15:55	MinetestBot	GIT: Novatux commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix crash if metarule not found b3f3692622 2014-01-04T07:51:52-08:00 http://git.io/olJY7Q
15:55	Hirato	7/10 - better writing than Square Eniz
15:58	xyz	somebody should make a backup of this thread
15:58	xyz	Hirato: you watching the databait thingy?
15:58	Hirato	roggu horaizon
15:59	xyz	john_minetest: it says not to read if you're under 18
15:59	Megaf	!seen sapier
15:59	MinetestBot	Megaf: sapier was last seen at 2014-01-02 02:49:00 UTC on #minetest
15:59	Megaf	That's it not really easy to read
15:59	Megaf	I would prefer something like x days and x hours ago
16:00	sfan5	nom nom nom nom
16:00	Hirato	it's pretty easy to read, he was last seen 2 days and 14 hours ago
16:01	Hirato	~ish
16:02	Megaf	vanessa, still lagged]
16:02	Megaf	but less lagged
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16:08	xyz	john_minetest: it's not written anywhere that forums are suitable for children
16:10	xyz	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8200
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16:13	xyz	i think some people in our community have their goal set to not allowing others to have fun
16:13	PilzAdam	its not written that the forums are not suitable for childreen
16:16	xyz	following this flawed logic we can also say that it's not written anywhere that posting images is allowed
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16:19	hoodedice	So
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16:21	hoodedice	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8202
16:21	hoodedice	What do you say?
16:21	hoodedice	*you all
16:21	hoodedice	*whoever is here
16:23	Hirato	7/10 - Better writing than Square-Enix
16:23	hoodedice	-.-
16:23	hoodedice	I don't want you to rate the writing
16:23	Hirato	I expect my doritos in the mail
16:23	hoodedice	Are we a kid-friendly site, or not?
16:24	hoodedice	Can we tolerate words like 1300135 or ICUCICU?
16:25	Calinou	hoodedice, Jordach's prayers have been executed!
16:25	Calinou	Minetest rule 34!
16:25	* Calinou	runs
16:25	sfan5	plol
16:25	hoodedice	lolwut?
16:25	Hirato	there's minecraft fanfic with creeper going sssssssssss-SPLURT
16:25	MinetestBot	GIT: Novatux commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Fix when there are several rules with different specials fb417d45a7 2014-01-04T08:22:04-08:00 http://git.io/eUeFlQ
16:25	hoodedice	That's minecrap
16:25	Hirato	beside the point :D
16:25	Calinou	Hirato, suddenly, MLP
16:26	hoodedice	We are Minetest. We are powered by the community, and it the most important and powerful thing we have
16:26	xyz	our community consits of very creative people who create very different things
16:26	Hirato	the ONLY female miner, when the creeper's done with her, then all the male miners find her and an orgy ensued, was glorious and really funny
16:26	hoodedice	Gross.
16:26	Hirato	I know
16:27	Hirato	now I miss sgc_meltdown :(
16:27	hoodedice	How can people even think in that direction, and enjoy writing that shit?
16:27	Calinou	don't try to fight the "porn is art" people
16:27	xyz	Hirato: you forgot something
16:27	Calinou	you never win :P
16:27	hoodedice	XD
16:27	Calinou	hoodedice, it's fun to do sometimes
16:27	Hirato	xyz: of course, the gay masterchief fanfic he posted alongside it!
16:27	xyz	Hirato: no, the link
16:27	Hirato	I don't have it, haha
16:27	hoodedice	xyz XD
16:28	hoodedice	You evil fellow
16:28	Hirato	I'll see if I can at least find the post that shared it on the dex
16:28	hoodedice	sfan5: #minetest is nsfw atm again!
16:28	Calinou	anyway the fanfic is not that original
16:28	Calinou	it's the usual "oh, my pick is hard"
16:28	hoodedice	"Your cave is huge"
16:28	Hirato	oh wow... page 296 of a 774 page thread
16:28	hoodedice	Gross. I have dropped myself to that level
16:29	sfan5	D:
16:29	hoodedice	Anyway, do we need to moderate such stuff?
16:29	hoodedice	Kids do get onto the site...
16:29	Calinou	it's in a spoiler
16:29	Hirato	http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/second-best-thread-ever-part-3-occasionally-nsfw.57009/page-296#post-2071936 I don't know where he got them
16:30	hoodedice	And "18 PLUS, GO AWAY" is only gonna enhance their curiosity to check it out
16:30	Hirato	minecraft thing's at the very bottom
16:30	Hirato	I never did read any of the other fanfics he posted
16:30	Hirato	that one took a big neough toll on my sanity
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16:32	hoodedice_	Damn you, internet explorer!
16:32	Calinou	internet exploder/exploiter
16:32	hoodedice_	And stupid gestures!
16:32	Hirato	xyz: ^^^
16:32	Hirato	I want an inori explorer :3c
16:32	xyz	that's too fat
16:32	hoodedice_	IE10 is nice though
16:32	Calinou	it still sucks
16:33	hoodedice_	I tried to close ONE tab by up-to-down gesture, but closed the entire thing by mistake
16:33	Calinou	Ctrl+W, the end
16:33	hoodedice_	Can someone kikc the other hoodedice
16:33	xyz	well, I guess they're better at drawing cute girls than making web browsers
16:34	hoodedice_	minetestbot!
16:35	Hirato	http://www.internetexplorertan.com/home/crying.html how can you be so mean to her!
16:36	hoodedice_	NOt cute enough
16:36	Hirato	I'll defeat the internet demons with the power of... HTML5 video
16:36	Hirato	what
16:37	hoodedice_	Anywayy
16:37	hoodedice_	Nipponese crap aside
16:37	sfan5	>Nipponese
16:37	sfan5	wut
16:37	Hirato	lol
16:37	hoodedice	ARE WE A KID FRIENDLY SITE OR NOT?
16:37	Hirato	this was made in Singapore
16:37	hoodedice	Nippon = Japan
16:37	hoodedice	in Japanese
16:38	Hirato	again, this was made in singapore :p
16:38	sfan5	ah, right almost forgot
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16:38	hoodedice	Again, I know
16:38	hoodedice	Again, anime is Japanese stuff
16:39	hoodedice	Manga, whatever
16:39	hoodedice	It would have been nice, if not for the (c)Microsoft
16:40	* sfan5	imagines Google Chrome as female anime character
16:40	hoodedice	Microsof should stop trying so hard.
16:40	xyz	hoodedice: yes, it's a pedo shit for kids
16:40	xyz	anime is
16:40	Calinou	sfan5, as a pony :3
16:40	hoodedice	Indeed
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16:41	* Hirato	buys the squirming hoodedice a dakimakura for christmas
16:41	sfan5	I want one too >.<
16:41	sfan5	!rainbow PilzAdam is Calinou's favourite pony
16:41	MinetestBot	4P4i4l7z7A7d8a8m8 3i3s3 Cal6i6n6ou's4 4f4a7v7o7u8r8i8t3e3 3pony
16:41	* hoodedice	googles dakimakura
16:41	xyz	go buy it then?
16:41	rubenwardy	Hi all
16:41	rubenwardy	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=124487#p124487
16:41	hoodedice	!g dakimakura
16:41	MinetestBot	hoodedice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakimakura
16:41	sfan5	hi rubenwardy
16:42	Hirato	sfan5: here's the firefox one at least http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/image/1156 :D
16:42	hoodedice	hey ruben
16:42	hoodedice	Again, explorer is cuter, hirato
16:43	Hirato	xyz: did you read that fanfic :D
16:43	xyz	Hirato: that's too deep, can you explain? is she too stupid for an email or what?
16:43	sfan5	Hirato: but IE should have the smallest boobs :P
16:43	hoodedice	=.=
16:43	xyz	dfc?
16:43	xyz	you sick pedo
16:43	hoodedice	He used the B-word! O.O
16:44	Hirato	xyz: that comic? it's a joke, based on the whole "IE is only good for downloading other browsers" thing
16:44	xyz	Hirato: not yet
16:44	sfan5	xyz: it's a joke
16:44	xyz	Hirato: ah, I see
16:44	hoodedice	And so again, #minetest becomes nsfw atm
16:44	Calinou	hoodedice, I don't see "boobs" as offensive personally
16:44	Calinou	we should still try to avoid in depth nsfw discussions
16:44	hoodedice	I am not talking about offensive
16:44	Calinou	try to take it to a PM, or a random channel
16:44	xyz	boobs are offensive
16:45	Calinou	I don't think it's a bad word either :P
16:45	hoodedice	The thing I'm worried about is this
16:45	xyz	all people having them should be separated from the society
16:45	hoodedice	Okay, say this 8 year old kid sees the word boobs on this IRC, or on the forums
16:45	harrison	breasts are a natural part of life
16:45	hoodedice	Thank you Jordach
16:46	Hirato	that minetest fanfic - Someone should just respond with "8.5/10 - Better writing than Square-Enix. I expect my dewritos in the mail" :D
16:46	hoodedice	And said kid asks his mom
16:46	hoodedice	"Mommy, mommy, what are boobs?"
16:46	xyz	hoodedice: how old are you?
16:46	hoodedice	Will that have a good impression of the community on that mother?
16:46	Hirato	any 5 year old know what boobs are -_-
16:46	hoodedice	I'm 18
16:47	xyz	Hirato: for some reason the second panel reminded me of http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/017/6/1/Gadget_by_PostNuclearNeko.png
16:47	hoodedice	Hirato, I don't know about you, but I didn't get any sort of private 'part talk' till I was 13
16:47	harrison	mommy mommy! turn on your headlights! there's a scake in the grass!
16:47	harrison	snake
16:47	hoodedice	That's another gross joke there
16:48	hoodedice	but thanks of reminding me of mmy nightmares harrison
16:48	hoodedice	*for
16:48	Hirato	hoodedice: so you're saying that on their 13th birthday it's suddenly: 'OMG I HAVE A PENIS! OMG I HAVE A FUCKING PENIS! PENIS! LOLOLOL!"
16:48	xyz	I know, right? stop sexualizing Minetest-tan already
16:48	hoodedice	No, I was talking about me
16:48	sfan5	xyz: http://i.imgur.com/i10hAyL.png
16:49	specing	Hirato: you are wrong
16:49	nore	http://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&curid=499&diff=2065&oldid=2064 <-- wiki was spammed again
16:49	specing	Hirato: IE is EXCELLENT at downloading other browsers ;P
16:49	Hirato	specing: ï¼Žï¼Žï¼Žï¼Žï¼Žï¼Ž
16:49	hoodedice	thank you, Jirato for spamming the wiki
16:50	hoodedice	*hirato
16:50	nore	^ any moderator: you should ban that IP address...
16:50	Hirato	impossibru, I don't even have any minetest accounts
16:50	sfan5	nore: Calinou is admin at the minetest wiki, isn't he?
16:50	nore	no idea
16:51	Calinou	I'll check
16:51	nore	no: only Blockmen, ShadowNinja and xyz are admins
16:52	hoodedice	Translated on googe translate
16:52	Calinou	xyz, Minetest-tan?
16:52	xyz	yeaj
16:52	hoodedice	The only thing I get is "BlizzCoin, game, 50 years, Sri Lanka"
16:52	xyz	"Me and Borus are making minetest fanfics, hopefully we do not get banned in the process."
16:52	Calinou	no, I am not admin sorry, nore
16:52	Calinou	xyz, maybe I could be made admin of wiki.minetest.net and dev.minetest.net
16:53	Calinou	to block spammers :P
16:53	xyz	maybe
16:53	sfan5	Calinou: s/block/node/
16:53	Calinou	encase them in nodes
16:54	xyz	done
16:54	hoodedice	Anyway, what do we do about nsfw stuff for now?
16:54	hoodedice	Ignore it?
16:54	specing	theres nsfw stuff?
16:54	hoodedice	bordering nsfw
16:55	Hirato	some really lame fanfic
16:55	specing	damn
16:55	specing	I was expecting naked women
16:55	xyz	hey don't be mean
16:55	Calinou	I don't know, but personally, I would not touch it
16:55	hoodedice	I would expect them to do this elsewhere
16:55	hoodedice	At least the main site would be on the safe side
16:56	Hirato	I don't care, but you probably don't want such degenerates congregating here :P
16:56	hoodedice	Haha indeed
16:56	hoodedice	Kids + Porno people
16:56	hoodedice	Not a good idea.
16:56	Hirato	not for that reason
16:56	xyz	it says it's 18+, i don't see any problem here
16:56	Hirato	have you even see the paradoc boards? or loverslab?
16:57	Hirato	oh wow, thread still exists
16:57	xyz	we aren't a kids-oriented site and I'm not feeling like parenting
16:57	* specing	sends xyz to the kindergarden
16:57	* Hirato	redirecte specing to http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?738475-Why-can-t-one-castrate-female
16:57	hoodedice	We aren't but the thing we are making here, is a game that is so fucking innocent
16:58	sfan5	!tite
16:58	hoodedice	My 4 year old brother plays it
16:58	sfan5	!title
16:58	xyz	no dirty jokes allowed
16:58	MinetestBot	sfan5: Why can't one castrate female?
16:58	Hirato	sfan5: you honestly couldn't tell from the URL?
16:58	sfan5	Hirato: I was hoping it contained more useful info
16:58	specing	Hirato: lol
16:58	Hirato	haha
16:58	sfan5	useful -> how many pages, posts, etc.
16:59	hoodedice	I don't want kids to see all that stuff. Even when Jordach used the word "Voxel boobs", I was gonna scream out in agony
16:59	specing	LOL
16:59	Hirato	hey babe, check out my depressable blocks
17:00	hoodedice	-.-
17:00	Calinou	xyz, thanks for the wiki
17:00	hoodedice	Maybe I should take this up with celeron-55...
17:00	xyz	Hirato: nice link, saved and reposted
17:00	hoodedice	Or maybe Blockmen
17:00	Hirato	xyz: you don't even want to see loverslab
17:00	Calinou	hoodedice, he's not really active anymore, and has better things to do than admin a forum and do politics
17:01	Calinou	Hirato, loverstair
17:01	hoodedice	I think Neuromancer would have something so say about this...
17:01	Calinou	More Blocks adds loverpanels and lovermicroblocks.
17:01	Hirato	xyz: so much aspie rage about doing anatomically correct models for skyrim's furry and lizard races...
17:01	Calinou	hoodedice, don't "pick" people for their opinions, that's what you're doing obviously :P
17:01	hoodedice	Of course
17:01	hoodedice	!
17:01	hoodedice	(lol)
17:01	hoodedice	What do you expect I'm doing here?
17:02	MinetestBot	4R4a4i7n7b7o8w8!
17:02	hoodedice	I'm trying to moderate the site.
17:02	hoodedice	I don't even know why I'm doing this?
17:02	hoodedice	why?
17:03	Hirato	just get rid of it, or point and laugh
17:03	Hirato	I don't care
17:04	Megaf	!rainbow Nobody cares]
17:04	MinetestBot	4N4o4b7o7d7y8 8c8a3r3e3s]
17:04	xyz	if we get rid of it right now they won't produce any more chapters; I also can't understand why get rid of it in the first place
17:04	Calinou	nopony cares* Megaf :P
17:05	rubenwardy	Move to offtopic?
17:05	Hirato	at the very least it's guaranteed lulz
17:05	hoodedice	I don't want it to be gotten rid of
17:05	Calinou	it could go to Offtopic
17:05	Hirato	but I'd say as a policy, ding dong bannu anyone who joins only to mainly write terrible fanfic
17:05	hoodedice	Yeah, moving to offtopic would be best
17:06	Calinou	"Offtopic is anything that is NOT related to Minetest, or at least cannot fit on any other section on this forum."
17:06	xyz	Hirato: let's hope it gets better after the first chapter, shall we?
17:07	xyz	minetest-related projects
17:07	hoodedice	I don't want to stop anyone from writing fanfics, nor do I want them to write something so expletive, I'd rather have my brothers playing something else
17:07	Hirato	haha
17:08	hoodedice	And that's just what I wanted to say all along! Thank you john_minetest
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17:08	hoodedice	And if they want, I can make it for them, weebly-based, that is.
17:09	xyz	you at least should watch 3 episodes or so
17:09	hoodedice	haha, yeah, but we do have a lack of readable fanfics
17:09	rubenwardy	[mt-related-proj] This forum section is for discussing:
17:09	rubenwardy	.... Your art, tributes, etc
17:10	Calinou	sounds good then, moved
17:10	hoodedice	Hmm, now, at least kids without accounts can not see that
17:10	hoodedice	I can now RIP
17:10	xyz	no, they will be able to
17:10	xyz	Calinou: you only moved the first part
17:11	Calinou	only Offtopic requires to be registered
17:11	Calinou	oh, the prologue too
17:11	hoodedice	How? Offtopic requires an account
17:13	Calinou	it's in Minetest-related projects
17:14	hoodedice	oh dam
17:14	Calinou	why would you have to register for that
17:14	hoodedice	I thought you moved to offtopic
17:17	hoodedice	Well, I think I should rest my case for the time being
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17:18	hoodedice	cya later peeps
17:19	xyz	nice, we can continue having fun now that he's gone
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17:20	xyz	http://support.microsoft.com/kb/168702
17:21	xyz	If you move your mouse pointer continuously while the data is being returned to Microsoft Excel, the query may not fail. Do not stop moving the mouse until all the data has been returned to Microsoft Excel.
17:21	sfan5	wtf
17:21	Hirato	1997
17:24	Hirato	sieg heil
17:24	Megaf	http://paste.debian.net/74249/ :)
17:24	Megaf	VanessaE, http://paste.debian.net/74249/
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17:24	Hirato	but Bing Is Not Google!
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17:25	Megaf	john_minetest, what do you mean?
17:26	Hirato	my script looks less cool
17:26	Hirato	but it builds a lot of Arch packages :D
17:26	Megaf	Hirato, I used to rebuild my server really often, now this script does saves me some time
17:27	Megaf	I have also a script to backup my server and one to update it
17:27	Hirato	I just type makepkg and it builds the entire thing for me, fresh checkouts and all
17:27	rubenwardy	I vote that a Minetest builds forum section is added.
17:27	rubenwardy	Not that I have any votes
17:27	Hirato	hmmm, homedecor and plantlife have recursive depends?
17:27	Hirato	ugh... those are SO very annoying with arch
17:27	Megaf	john_minetest, actually I found that -j 4 is perfect, I tried with more than that but then the building might fail
17:27	Hirato	building fail? lolwut
17:28	Hirato	if anything, more owuld make it slower if you have inadequate CPU resources
17:28	Megaf	yep, make will just stops
17:28	xyz	wat
17:28	Megaf	then if you rerun it will continue normally
17:28	Megaf	That's pretty weird actually
17:28	Hirato	u wot m8
17:28	Calinou	john_minetest, make -j$(grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo)
17:28	Calinou	:)
17:29	xyz	Calinou: not portable
17:29	Hirato	implying this is
17:29	Megaf	and my script is pretty portable I think
17:30	Megaf	well, let me work on my backuper and updater script
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17:32	Calinou	xyz, why not?
17:33	Hirato	because WINDAZ
17:33	xyz	Calinou: it didn't work on freebsd or something *bsd
17:34	rubenwardy	he means cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE; make -j$(grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo)
17:34	rubenwardy	$(grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo) i guess returns a number
17:35	Megaf	this cpuinfo stuff is a Linux stuff
17:35	rubenwardy	Oh
17:35	rubenwardy	You mean the script, not the build it produces, sorry.
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17:46	harrison	i got 8 arms & 8 glocks / don't mess with the glocktopus
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17:47	kaeza	I got a Pancor Jackhammer, your argument is invalid
17:47	kaeza	also, greetings
17:48	rubenwardy	Hi :P
17:49	xyz	Hirato: nice read
17:50	Hirato	what can I say, meltdown knew quality whe nhe saw it
17:50	Hirato	I miss him, he's been missing since late 2012
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18:05	iqualfragile	sfan5: "plus it makes the explicit sensory scenes, interestingly creative" :D that guy is a texting genious
18:05	sfan5	I think that comma is misplaced
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18:15	Darkangel	ima Newbie to this stuff but can some 1 help me on a Mod i tryed every thing and i dont know what i did wrong
18:15	Hirato	xyz: so.. I might have pasted that minetest fanfic there :D
18:19	xyz	Hirato: nice this will only make our community look stupid
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18:20	xyz	well not like it doesn't already
18:20	xyz	all those kids and shit
18:20	Hirato	meh, we're a bunch of elitist faggots that hate everything anyway :P
18:20	Calinou	that's true
18:21	Inocudom	I recently made a post about how Freeiner could have RealBadAngel's normal-generating patch in it to test it. The post got some support for community members.
18:21	Hirato	it mostly works
18:21	xyz	Inocudom: could be added
18:21	Hirato	just a few corner cases with the override_normal
18:22	Hirato	ANd parallax mapping
18:22	xyz	then he adds another fix and squashes commits and then rebases on minetest master and suddenly problems
18:22	Inocudom	You can ask RealBadAngel about it and how to include it if you don't know how to. RealBadAngel needs people to test it.
18:23	Hirato	do it in a branch
18:23	Hirato	freeminer/RBA-normals
18:23	Inocudom	Glad to hear that, xyz. I am sure RealBadAngel and others will be very grateful.
18:23	xyz	Hirato: then how different is that?
18:24	xyz	we want people to test it that's why he asked to merge this feature into master branch
18:24	Hirato	you can erase the branch when he merged it into minetest and would've otherwise caused issues
18:24	sfan5	Darkangel: please describe the problem more specificly
18:24	Inocudom	By the way, did you know that Midnightwrath (a friend of Fess) compiles 64-bit builds of Freemine every now and then?
18:25	xyz	sfan5 works on his ability to calm the fuck down it seems
18:25	Hirato	the rainbows are very soothing
18:25	Hirato	!rainbow SOOOOOOOTHIIIIIIIIING
18:25	MinetestBot	4S4O4O7O7O7O8O8O8T3H3I3IIII6I6I6IING
18:25	xyz	!rainbow GAAAAAAY
18:25	MinetestBot	4G4A4A7A7A7A8A8Y
18:25	Hirato	lol, full spectrum
18:25	xyz	shit
18:25	xyz	I tried
18:26	xyz	Inocudom: no, I didn't know
18:26	Hirato	I've increaed the key repeat rate to 50/s and the delay for repeat to activate to around 150ms
18:26	xyz	nice to know
18:26	Hirato	the defaults are too unresponsive to my liking
18:26	Hirato	(it's 200 ms)
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18:29	aldobr	hi all
18:31	aldobr	kaeza: do you still have a copy of my mint mod in your mods directory ?
18:32	kaeza	hmm
18:32	aldobr	omploader is dead and i have no backup
18:33	kaeza	I have a copy here
18:34	aldobr	ahhhh !!!!
18:34	aldobr	pls upload somewhere !
18:34	kaeza	https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/minetest/temp/mint.zip
18:35	kaeza	dunno how old that is
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18:35	kaeza	2013-01-27 is most recent file
18:36	iqualfragile	aldobr: upload to mmdb
18:36	iqualfragile	note to self: add 0.4.9 to mmdb
18:36	aldobr	this code is heavily changed
18:37	kaeza	eh actually, that one is from mauvebic
18:38	aldobr	so the original is lost :/
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18:39	ShadowNinja	nore: The spamming is from different IP addresses, otherwise I would have blocked him already.
18:46	aldobr	kaeza i found a 6502 emulator written in javascript and started to translate it to lua
18:46	aldobr	:P
18:47	aldobr	im not very knowledgeable in neither lua or javascript
18:47	kaeza	why not one in C and FFI/wrapper?
18:47	aldobr	because the ffi wrapper makes callbacks slower
18:47	aldobr	veeeery slow
18:48	aldobr	i can anyway write the thing in luajit C
18:48	rubenwardy	Yay! All my assignments are done, programming time!
18:48	kaeza	okay :\|
18:48	xyz	slower? did you benchmark it?
18:48	aldobr	but i would be back to the slow callback problem
18:49	aldobr	luajit states in documentation that lua callbacks to c code are slow
18:49	aldobr	even slower than lua calling lua code
18:51	aldobr	http://luajit.org/ext_ffi_semantics.html
18:51	aldobr	section "callback performance"
18:51	ShadowNinja	aldobr: Well of course, but as long as you aren't calling it a hundred times it shouldn't be noticable.
18:51	aldobr	thats the problem
18:52	aldobr	the callback is needed to do memory and io
18:52	aldobr	ie.: EVERY single time the processor needs a new opcode, it will use the callback
18:52	xyz	I googled for lua-c slowness and found this awesome rant http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2011-10/msg00825.html
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18:54	xyz	"Calls from Lua to C via the FFI are much faster than the other way round."
18:54	xiong	Is there any way to enable mods inside minetest.conf?
18:54	rubenwardy	no
18:55	rubenwardy	It is defined in the world folder
18:55	rubenwardy	world/<your-save>/world.mt
18:58	aldobr	xyz: the C code needs to call four functions memread, memwrite, ioread and iowrite
18:58	aldobr	these are needed to make the emulator interact with minetest
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18:59	aldobr	so guess what ? they would be done in lua (c calling lua callbacks)
18:59	aldobr	so thats why i gave up on libz80
18:59	aldobr	now i will write everything in plain lua and expect the jit does its work
18:59	xyz	well well well
19:00	xyz	I still am thinking sometimes about some sort of compile-time "mods"
19:01	xyz	but that's a bad idea ;(
19:02	ShadowNinja	Those would be real mods, added in a way similar to ZNC, Atheme, Charybdis, etc with dlload and the like.
19:02	kaeza	if only Minetest exported the Lua symbols or used a Lua dll/so...
19:03	xyz	nah, I wasn't talking about binary api now
19:04	ShadowNinja	Well, even those are called extemsions often. "Mod"s are really plugins.
19:04	markveidemanis	How could i use a dual screen setup where each of the monitors are connected to a different computer
19:04	markveidemanis	comp and laptop
19:05	kaeza	google is your friend
19:07	markveidemanis	maybe app and console window?
19:07	markveidemanis	say what now?
19:08	Calinou	subbing?
19:09	xiong	Well, finally I found the third option. If the world is, say, worlds/my_world/ then mods placed in my_world/worldmods/ are enabled automatically for this world. No need to touch world.mt at all.
19:09	xyz	ShadowNinja: I don't think we'll ever get any sort of binary api because people here care too much about compatibility and compatibility and binary C++ api don't mix
19:10	xiong	In fact, if world.mt contains a line such as 'load_mod_unified_inventory = false' this is ignored entirely; the mod loads anyway.
19:11	xiong	xyz, Perl is highly portable, powerful, and fast.
19:11	ShadowNinja	perl is had to read.
19:11	xyz	nice joke right here
19:12	Peacock	i think he meant python with that indentation block thing lol
19:12	kaeza	someone also suggested Guile :3
19:12	kaeza	(not for the right reason though)
19:12	nore	ShadowNinja, no, this IP address has already spammed
19:12	xiong	No, Perl is not hard to read. Badly written Perl is hard to read. But then, badly written code is always hard to read.
19:13	ShadowNinja	nore: Can you provide a link?
19:13	nore	http://wiki.minetest.net/Special:Contributions/220.249.189.122
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19:14	xiong	The only reason Perl gets that bad rap is that badly written Perl often works; and this is for a reason. Perl is intended to be useful in very quick one-liners and short throwaway scripts where terseness is valued over maintainability. However, Perl is also intended to be used for large, complex, maintainable projects.
19:14	xiong	The tool gives you more power so of course there are more ways to abuse it.
19:15	xiong	If Lua was chosen on the same basis as models at a runway show then no wonder it was chosen poorly.
19:16	xyz	we don't need another scripting language
19:16	xiong	Perl is not another scripting language; it's been around.
19:16	xyz	alright
19:16	xyz	we don't need another scripting language in Minetest
19:17	xiong	I'm not even sure Lua is another scripting language; strikes me as more of a joke.
19:17	Peacock	JS??? :D
19:17	Peacock	:P
19:17	xyz	if you're willing to add it then do that; but I doubt anybody else is interested
19:17	xiong	Looks to me like another crippled language intended for children, like BASIC was, back in the 1970s.
19:17	ShadowNinja	nore: Blocked.
19:18	blaise	hey guys, check this crash out.. http://pastebin.com/25AZfWQX
19:18	blaise	ShadowNinja: is there any way to prevent people from opening doors with the screwdriver?
19:18	xyz	xiong: it's simple, light and fast enough; and is easy to integrate as well
19:19	ShadowNinja	blaise: Yes, protect the door with a protection mod that supports the protection API, like my areas mod/
19:19	ShadowNinja	s-/-.-
19:19	blaise	I'm using it..
19:20	blaise	they still got in my house.. and managed to destroy several nodes and rebuild them..
19:20	blaise	and now I can't touch them.
19:20	xyz	I can't see any reason to use perl over lua
19:20	Peacock	lol im trying landrush's protection mod ( just look at the age of its map :P)
19:21	xyz	it won't be faster, it's not designed to be embedded
19:21	xyz	so I assume what you said was a joke or a troll attempt
19:21	ShadowNinja	blaise: Then your house wasn't protected or you have another mod that is messing up a function like minetest.item_place.
19:23	aldobr	http://e-tradition.net/bytes/6502/6502cpu.js <- 6502 CPU, if anyone is interested in helping
19:24	aldobr	its in javascript, need to translate to lua
19:24	kaeza	ooooh binops
19:24	aldobr	i've done some work already
19:24	nore	aldobr, you need binary operators in minetest?
19:25	aldobr	???
19:25	nore	well, you need binary operators to translate that in Lua, don't you?
19:25	aldobr	yes
19:25	aldobr	http://pastebin.com/Wy8ySxxv
19:25	xyz	there are binary operators in luajit, aren't there?
19:25	nore	https://github.com/Novatux/forth_computer/blob/master/bit32.lua
19:25	aldobr	i used bit32.bxor and bit32.l and r shifts
19:25	nore	xyz, I am not sure...
19:25	aldobr	ah
19:26	kaeza	yes, there are
19:26	xiong	You assume wrong, xyz. I think Lua should be abandoned. I'm not the first to say it's a poor choice.
19:26	nore	aldobr, bit32 isn't in Lua when it's bundled with Minetest
19:26	xiong	Perl is mature and comes with a large, capable, tested archive of modules.
19:26	nore	xiong, the previous one wanted javascript...
19:26	Peacock	lol
19:26	Peacock	what about cobol?
19:26	xyz	xiong: I see. Feel free to continue to think that, I'm not really interested in arguing over such things right now, sorry.
19:27	kaeza	Brainfuck!
19:27	nore	perl now... you can write you perl-to-lua compiler and code in perl if you want...
19:27	xiong	Yes, nore; everyone argues for his pet; so do I. The unfortunate result is that we got something nobody serious can like. The compromise pleases nobody so it's totally fair.
19:27	PilzAdam	I like Lua
19:27	nore	kaeza, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Malbolge
19:28	xiong	So FWIW, a couple of us guys are working on a Lua/Perl interface, so at least you can get real work done.
19:28	xiong	This won't help with speed, of course; unsuitable for anything called frequently.
19:28	ShadowNinja	Why perl? Lua is simple and easy for beginners.
19:28	aldobr	perl ?
19:28	kaeza	we should use LUA instead
19:28	aldobr	you write something today
19:29	Peacock	naw, use ASP.NET :P
19:29	xyz	xiong: so where's the code?
19:29	aldobr	two years later you have no clue how you have done it
19:29	kaeza	https://github.com/mniip/LUA
19:29	ShadowNinja	And Lua(JIT) is very fast, you'll have difficulty coming close.
19:29	xiong	You just answered your own question, ShadowNinja. By the way, the language is 'Perl'. The interpreter, the executable itself is 'perl'.
19:29	xiong	xyz, What code?
19:29	aldobr	we need a lualua
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19:29	Calinou	Lua is not a poor choice at all for gaming
19:30	Calinou	and for scripting inside a program
19:30	ShadowNinja	xiong: You mean you want something complicated and difficult?
19:30	aldobr	what happens if i import the lua interpreter using lua ffi ?
19:30	kaeza	STAR, WATCH, LIKE, AND SHARE LUA
19:30	kaeza	NAO
19:30	xiong	aldobr, I already said: If you write stupidly you will get stupid results. If you ride a bike with no training wheels carelessly, you may fall down.
19:30	PilzAdam	Calinou, we all know that everything but Java is poor choice
19:30	xiong	Don't be silly, ShadowNinja. Perl works. Yes, it's for grownups.
19:30	Calinou	PilzAdam, lol :P
19:30	kaeza	xiong, stop insulting other people
19:31	xiong	There's no merit in knocking a language based on reputation.
19:31	xyz	xiong: you said you were working on a Lua/Perl thingy, I want to check out the code since this seems interesting
19:31	aldobr	i vote for forth as modding language
19:31	nore	xiong, if you really want an API for Perl, make one for C++ and then add a Perl backend
19:31	aldobr	its "easy" for beginners
19:31	xiong	I'm not insulting people, kaeza; I'm insulting Lua.
19:31	kaeza	[16:30:42] <xiong> aldobr, I already said: If you write stupidly you will get stupid results. If you ride a bike with no training wheels carelessly, you may fall down.
19:31	FreeFull	Lua is fast
19:31	xiong	Well, if and when we do that, xyz, you'll see it.
19:31	FreeFull	And simplistic
19:32	FreeFull	And easy to embed
19:32	xiong	kaeza, Take that however you like. Easily offended people will take everything personally.
19:32	xyz	xiong: ah, so there's no code now; alright I'll wait for it
19:32	Peacock	lua's even got an alcohol named it after - kahlua, whats not to like ?!
19:32	aldobr	i favour djikstra/wirth view of program correctedness and provabiliy
19:32	kaeza	xiong, you demonstrate that very well, kthxbai
19:32	xiong	No, of course not, xyz. I did say we're working on it. We're working on a bunch of stuff.
19:33	aldobr	and the usual perl code wont pass provability and correctness
19:33	xyz	although I think it's not a very good idea to start flamewars here without even any work done (inb4 i didn't start it)
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19:33	ShadowNinja	The only advantage that I see Perl having is modules, but the same could be said about, eg, Python.
19:33	aldobr	i see no advantage in perl
19:33	xiong	If you just want to have a passionate fight, why bother? If you want to learn the real merits of a mature language, I'm happy to help.
19:33	aldobr	its like a kind of religion of suffering
19:33	nore	^ and Python is much more readable and easy to learn, like Lua
19:34	xiong	Why do you say that, aldobr? Do you really know anything about it?
19:34	aldobr	"if you program in perl long enough you gotta go to heaven"
19:34	aldobr	because its not a formal language
19:34	nore	lol
19:34	xiong	This is pointless. The gods have not made a hammer heavy enough to crack into a closed mind.
19:34	aldobr	its a hack, its origins are in the awk
19:35	xiong	Then let's mod in C.
19:35	aldobr	xiong, all minds are closed when your hammer is wierd and misplaced
19:35	xiong	You want formality? There ya go.
19:35	xyz	so I'd really prefer people to not insult each other just because of those simple things
19:35	aldobr	C formal ? thats another hack
19:35	Peacock	hacks, hacks everywhere
19:35	xyz	can't force that on you but I'm sure there are people who are able to
19:36	xiong	I'm going back to work. Please don't just call out my nick to argue with me some more. I'm open to serious discussion.
19:36	aldobr	formal : pascal, ada, d, c#, java, algol etc, languages where design came before coding
19:37	aldobr	eiffel, python, lua (even lua as tought out before being implemented)
19:37	aldobr	*was
19:37	nore	"Yes, sometimes Perl looks like line noise to the uninitiated, but to the seasoned Perl programmer, it looks like checksummed line noise with a mission in life." <-- that tells a lot about readability
19:37	aldobr	there are people who feel proud of writing something that no one else can understand
19:37	kaeza	xiong, as with all others that have posted ideas about adding more languages, feel free to implement, and if it does not horribly break compatibility, it may be merged
19:38	zash	fwiw, perl has the nicest loop constructs in all languages I've used
19:38	Peacock	im going to load up my catapult with a bunch of o'reilly books and we can have a real language war :D
19:38	aldobr	i believe we need a binary api
19:38	nore	zash, what is it?
19:38	aldobr	so anybody can attach any language wanted
19:39	zash	nore: like, you can give names to nested loops and write 'next outerloop'
19:39	nore	aldobr, I find that is a better idea... (perhaps even an API where you can modify base functions? dunno if possible=
19:39	xiong	kaeza, It's an enormous job to implement an entire API. aldobr is probably right: We need an agnostic API of some sort so that individual language proponents can each do what they please.
19:39	nore	zash, you can make something like that in Forth too... (well, you can make pretty anything in forth)
19:40	zash	nore: haven't touched forth tho :)
19:40	aldobr	forth?
19:40	Peacock	fortran?
19:40	xiong	forth cool add .
19:40	aldobr	are we going to launch satelites ? :P
19:40	nore	see my forth_computer mod ;)
19:41	nore	(no, not fortran)
19:41	aldobr	i know forth != fortran
19:41	nore	Peacock didn't
19:41	Peacock	lol
19:41	aldobr	forth was used in some space related equipment due to small size of interpreter
19:42	nore	well, computer inside Minetest are space restricted too... that's why I chose forth
19:42	aldobr	problem is to explain forth to someone else
19:42	Inocudom	These are bleak times. Beware, for it could be said that the Creator's anger and hatred surpasses even that of the devil.
19:42	aldobr	must you + forth learn - /
19:43	nore	S" Indeed" type
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19:43	aldobr	:mapgen 10 * 9 +;
19:43	Calinou	Lua is going to stay anyway
19:44	nore	yes, of course... the only thing that could be useful be couldn't do in Lua would be to be able to override base functions in the server for which there are no mod API
19:44	nore	(and client too)
19:47	Calinou	there are more imporant problems right now: lag, and tools being too slow
19:47	Calinou	(or not dealing enough damage)
19:47	Calinou	there are a lot of balance issues in Minetest right now :(
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19:47	Calinou	and I can't commit stuff, so it will be hard to fix them
19:47	aldobr	i vote for solving general slowness
19:47	aldobr	dd the code got proofed ?
19:47	PilzAdam	Calinou, Nodetopia has balanced digging times
19:47	aldobr	i mean, gproof
19:48	aldobr	ah
19:48	aldobr	i mean profiling the code
19:49	Calinou	PilzAdam, I mean in minetest_game/"default" of freeminer
19:49	Calinou	tools are usually too slow, especially axes, and they do not deal enough damage, like swords
19:49	Calinou	I liked how tools were faster than in Minecraft before
19:49	Calinou	but the most imporant issue is, finding where the lag regression comes from
19:49	PilzAdam	I know what you mean
19:49	Calinou	early 0.4 did not lag
19:49	kaeza	^ also wooden axe is practically useless
19:49	PilzAdam	just play Nodetopia not minetest_game
19:49	Calinou	stone axe isn't much useful too
19:50	Peacock	well who de-balanced digging times in minetest_game?
19:51	PilzAdam	Peacock, Calinou was the last one, IIRC ;-)
19:53	Peacock	lol if it ain't broken, we gotta fix it XD
19:55	rubenwardy	Yay!
19:55	rubenwardy	Pixel manipulator for my pixel terrain game complete!
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19:56	aldobr	do you have client side lua scripting in the todo ?
19:59	rubenwardy	http://dev.minetest.net/TODO
19:59	rubenwardy	Not in there
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20:01	aldobr	hmmm
20:03	aldobr	too much work, too little amount of coders
20:07	PilzAdam	aldobr, yes, we have
20:11	Inocudom	I noticed that iron is rarer than it used to be.
20:12	Inocudom	This client-side lua scripting... What benefits does it have? It could make ingame maps easier, but what else?
20:13	Peacock	client side lottery number prediction?
20:14	rubenwardy	Inocudom: gui, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4068
20:14	aldobr	inocumdom : major would be allowing lua to write to textures
20:15	aldobr	for one, my emulator needs a screen generated from lua code. it will not have one because doing that from server would be impossible/too slow
20:15	aldobr	i will rely on chat messages as i/p
20:15	aldobr	*i/o
20:16	Inocudom	I read that topic, and those are valid concerns.
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20:20	PilzAdam	Inocudom, client-side Lua will basically allow to predict many stuff that is done in Lua at the server
20:21	PilzAdam	e.g. opening doors, riding carts etc.
20:21	aldobr	and can be faster due to spreading the load to clients
20:21	Inocudom	Then it is a very useful feature.
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20:22	blaise	ShadowNinja: I havn't logged in in a while..
20:23	blaise	ShadowNinja: I wonder if my house is even still there.. XD
20:23	Calinou	client side prediction of stuff would be really useful
20:23	Calinou	to make lag less apparent :P
20:26	Peacock	from laghetti to lagsoupe :-)
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20:27	Megaf	VanessaE, my server doesnt like your mods =/
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20:28	blaise	lol
20:28	blaise	maybe her mods just don't like your server?
20:29	Megaf	could be that too
20:29	Megaf	back in the day my server had no mods and not crashes at all
20:30	Peacock	the supermegaunifiedeverything mod?
20:40	Megaf	backend = sqlite3
20:40	Megaf	how do I use MySQL?
20:40	PilzAdam	1) implement the backend in c++ 2) use backend = mysql 3) ... 4) profit
20:41	aldobr	would it be faster ?
20:41	rubenwardy	bye all
20:41	Megaf	bye...
20:41	aldobr	sqlite is a library, data is shared via memory because program and library are one the same segment
20:41	aldobr	this is fast
20:42	aldobr	will mysql use pipes to stream data in the same situation ?
20:42	Megaf	!up minetest.megaf.info 30003
20:42	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (470ms)
20:42	aldobr	i believe it would be slower
20:42	Megaf	yep, 180 ms with sapiers udp thing
20:42	Megaf	470 ms with standard
20:42	Megaf	That's really impressive
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20:53	Peacock	i wonder, how would you anounce that x player killed y player?
20:53	aldobr	y player was killed by x player.
20:54	aldobr	:P
20:54	Peacock	i know how to compose a message :P
20:54	aldobr	haha
20:55	Peacock	i suppose some sort of on_use function for weapons
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20:57	rubenwardy	Back again!
20:57	Megaf	Hi
20:57	Megaf	I said bye, but you gone before I could send
20:58	Megaf	<rubenwardy> bye all
20:58	Megaf	* rubenwardy has quit (Quit: You may notice this notice is not worth noticing)
20:58	Megaf	<Megaf> bye...
20:58	rubenwardy	No worries :P
20:59	rubenwardy	i am on irc... on MY PHONE.
21:00	Peacock	whats the key for playerlist? i assumed p, alas
21:00	rubenwardy	tab?
21:00	Peacock	dun work :(
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21:03	sfan5	Peacock: there is no playerlist
21:03	Peacock	coulda sworn ive seen pics and conversations about it... is it a mod?
21:04	rubenwardy	It is on Freeminer.
21:04	rubenwardy	well, it's a pull.
21:04	xiong	Okay, Lua it is for now, right? So I'm looking at: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html : "Lua is a free-form language. It ignores spaces (including new lines) and comments between lexical elements..."
21:05	Peacock	ah, still haven't tested that, been busy adding ridiculous stuff to my server lol
21:05	xiong	If this is so, why does so much Lua in existing mods have very long lines?
21:05	Peacock	^ people suck at coding
21:05	xiong	Is there some reason I don't see not to break them?
21:05	rubenwardy	Because the mod devs suck
21:05	rubenwardy	snap
21:05	Peacock	^ see :P
21:06	Peacock	and people prefer tidy code spread over a dozen files to logical and easy to read code lol
21:06	xiong	Well, okay, that's an answer. But remember later when you say Perl is unreadable and I say "A poor workman blames his tools."
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21:07	xiong	I'm just going to break all lines at col 78 then, thanks.
21:07	Peacock	i never criticized perl, its the 3rd thing i learned after basic and html lol but the chances of the game switching now are slim to none
21:07	PilzAdam	xiong, we use Lua 5.1
21:07	aldobr	xoing, its hard to argue in a language that is not my native language
21:08	xiong	Ah! Good to know, PilzAdam.
21:08	Peacock	luajit is like 5.1.5 (got parts of 5.2 in it)
21:08	aldobr	PilzAdam: what are the chances of getting a binary api ?
21:09	Peacock	also slim to none
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21:09	PilzAdam	we have a working API, why write another one?
21:09	Peacock	peoples want the sauce (source)
21:10	xiong	Sorry, Peacock; I got my feathers ruffled a few minutes ago.
21:10	aldobr	well, i cant think in reasons right now :P
21:10	Peacock	well technically could a binary mod call the same functions the API does? or am i oversimplifying things
21:10	aldobr	btw
21:10	aldobr	you can write C code inside luajit
21:10	xiong	5.1 still seems to allow line breaks in code, though.
21:10	Peacock	you can also compile lua code but the game does that when its started anyhow
21:10	aldobr	you can write arbitrary C code in a luajit codeblock
21:11	Megaf	!up minetest.megaf.info 30003
21:11	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (219ms)
21:11	Megaf	hows that possible?
21:11	Megaf	!up minetest.megaf.info 30003
21:11	MinetestBot	minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (232ms)
21:11	PilzAdam	xiong, many mods are developed by a single person; and if that person doesnt care about long lines then they will simply not break them
21:11	Megaf	minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (470ms)
21:11	xiong	Yes. Fixing....
21:11	Megaf	minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (219ms)
21:12	xiong	A little K&R bracketing wouldn't hurt, either.
21:12	Peacock	there's something im not getting about landrush, it says in the corner "owner <player>" and i can still dig :/
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21:14	rubenwardy	stupid client
21:14	Peacock	ah fuck me, theres a conflict between the protection and my 6d node placing thingy
21:16	Peacock	there we go, now the minetest functions are replaced in the right order
21:16	rubenwardy	i dont particularly want to, peacock
21:16	rubenwardy	I love my quote on irc stats: "I am not going to click that"
21:16	Peacock	it's an expression, not solicitation :P
21:16	rubenwardy	i know XD
21:18	Peacock	nope, still dont work :/
21:18	proller	Megaf, (470ms) - this number is nothing, its not serverthread process time
21:19	Megaf	proller, you are changing minetest too much
21:19	Megaf	freeminer is no longer minetest
21:19	Megaf	you changed default mods too
21:19	proller	where?
21:19	proller	and?
21:19	Peacock	well ain't that the purpose of a fork? lol
21:19	rubenwardy	good, i say
21:19	Megaf	I dont like that
21:20	rubenwardy	is android still linux?
21:20	rubenwardy	woops
21:20	rubenwardy	nm
21:20	ShadowNinja	Megaf: The ping time means next to nothing with Minetest.
21:21	proller	Megaf, okay, suffer with 5-player multilplayer in MT
21:21	Peacock	ah no wonder it doesn't work for me, the mod sets a priv for admin to do whatever he wants in all the areas lol
21:22	rubenwardy	Sherlock tomorrow!
21:22	Megaf	I really would like to see all proller's optimizations and fixed back to Minetest, and some credit to him
21:22	Peacock	not easy to figure out with everything spread out over a dozen lua files lol
21:22	Megaf	Why the hell don't you work together??
21:22	proller	again...
21:22	Peacock	megaf, read the dev logs...
21:22	Megaf	fuck you both! (minetest and freeminer)]
21:22	rubenwardy	read the forum topic, it's aall there
21:23	Peacock	seriously lol enough FM/MT flamewars
21:24	rubenwardy	wow, another player meltdown and rage?
21:24	Peacock	?
21:24	Calinou	proller/xyz/some other russians are a special group
21:24	Megaf	meltdown, I like that word
21:24	Calinou	they do lots of stuff quickly
21:24	Calinou	rubenwardy, yes it's still based on a (quite old) Linux kernel
21:24	Peacock	well some geeks do prefer to code rather than debate endlessly :P
21:25	PilzAdam	Megaf, why are you raging?
21:25	Calinou	or they prefer to read Minetest rule 34
21:25	* Calinou	runs
21:25	rubenwardy	coding, not pull-request-politics.
21:25	Megaf	PilzAdam, 18 sec of real lag
21:25	Megaf	I click a chest and it takes 18 seconds to open
21:26	Peacock	well its akin to the difference between geeks who like to build things and geeks who like to debate star trek (when i was younger lol)
21:26	proller	my record for minetest is 45 seconds per step (before optimizing)
21:26	Calinou	I wonder, does freeminer still lag a lot?
21:26	Calinou	if not, then we need more servers using it
21:26	proller	but now on FM i have new record - 108 seconds on saving 30000+ player files 8( (<-fix it next in todo)
21:27	PilzAdam	proller, do you know how to fix that issue?
21:27	sfan5	123456789
21:27	Megaf	nickbot1 joined the game
21:27	sfan5	^ can someone write that?
21:27	proller	save only changed files.. but i not start looking at it
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21:28	rubenwardy	grrrrrr
21:28	sfan5	i seems all 2's are broken
21:28	sfan5	yep
21:28	sfan5	2
21:28	sfan5	test 2 test
21:28	sfan5	hm
21:28	PilzAdam	proller, the code to save only changed files is already there (by me), but the inventory == operator always returns false, so all player files are always written
21:28	PilzAdam	you only have to fix that operator
21:29	proller	okay
21:29	Calinou	oh, the lag could come fro msaving player files
21:30	sfan5	http://i.imgur.com/rbQJXQY.png
21:30	Megaf	worse thing is that MT can really do more than one stuff at the same time
21:30	Megaf	it can load the world and do an action at the same time
21:30	Peacock	like many stuffs?
21:31	Calinou	sfan5, looks fine for me.
21:31	ShadowNinja	PilzAdam: Of course the players really shouldn't be loaded at all if they aren't connected.
21:31	Calinou	HexChat 2.9.6 here
21:31	rubenwardy	me too, sfan5
21:31	sfan5	Calinou: it doesn't look fine for me, about 1 minute ago it said something of grahics driver hanging while watching anime
21:32	Calinou	anime and graphic drivers make two!
21:32	proller	ShadowNinja, xyz find some player name <-> player file conversion problem
21:32	sfan5	"[37985.368381] [drm:i915_set_reset_status] ERROR render ring hung inside bo (0x2c9f1000 ctx 1) at 0x2c9f1490"
21:33	sfan5	the 2 only looks weird in xchat
21:35	kaeza	go home display, you're drunk
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21:36	PilzAdam	kaeza, yea sure, let the drunk guy go home alone
21:37	kaeza	I like how 99% of these posts are trolling https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8171
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21:39	xiong	Can anyone explain this, particularly 'mg'? -- https://github.com/Novatux/moreores/commit/4507ebddb97444e4b38e895a443304fe9e712db8
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21:40	PilzAdam	mg is a mod
21:40	nore	xiong, it is a mapgen mod
21:40	xiong	Might be a touch difficult to search for, being so short a string.
21:40	nore	and this is support for moreores ores in that mod
21:41	nore	https://github.com/Novatux/mg
21:41	nore	or on the forums, or mmdb
21:41	xiong	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7263)
21:41	xiong	Right.
21:41	xiong	Still experimental, though.
21:41	nore	yep, exactly
21:42	xiong	Hm. Are the wet grasslands very wet? Swamp, bayou?
21:42	nore	no, not that experimental... I should perhaps change the name someday (it is called Novagen on mmdb)
21:42	nore	the wet grasslands do have a lot of grass
21:42	xiong	Need a cattails mod.
21:43	nore	that for now the only real difference (except if other mods register other plants here...)
21:43	PilzAdam	nore, how fast is it?
21:43	nore	PilzAdam, very fast... a bit slower than core mapgen though
21:43	nore	you can try it... of course, it is best with JIT
21:43	PilzAdam	I wonder how good would it work with Nodetopia
21:44	xiong	'big_villages'??
21:44	nore	you can try it... you may have to modify the default registrations a bit
21:44	nore	^ that one is very slow, however
21:44	nore	it creates villages bigger than normal
21:44	* VanessaE	peeks in
21:45	xiong	Does this actually create random buildings??
21:45	nore	PilzAdam, btw: vanessae.mine.bz:30003
21:45	nore	^ mg test server
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21:45	nore	you can go there to see the mapgen, and the generated villages
21:45	nore	xiong, yes, organized in villages with roads, etc
21:45	nore	see screenshots in forum post
21:46	xiong	Cool idea; not just bare land. Besides, the mobs have to live somewhere, right?
21:46	nore	eh... there are no mobs yet
21:46	xiong	?
21:46	Peacock	id be alot happier if players could build villages instead of the game lol
21:46	nore	anyway, if you want to see it, just go to the server I pointed you to
21:46	xiong	The connection was, in my mind, purely fantastic.
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21:47	xiong	Love to, nore; but I don't build nightly. Thanks.
21:48	nore	brb
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21:52	Sokomine	the mapgen and the generated villages of nores mapgen are fine. they consist of less detailed buildings, but it might be enough for most players
21:52	Sokomine	hi xiong
21:53	xiong	Hi, Sokomine.
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21:53	xiong	A generated village might be just the thing to put a spawn point in. Give the nomad invaders something to burn.
21:54	Sokomine	xinog: my villages from the vilalges mod are larger and more beautiful :-) but they require much handwork (havn't gotten around to integrate paramats nice flatten-mod yet - and need to do some other changes as wellL)
21:55	xiong	Okay well... for a later date. Right now I'm just working on underlying mechanics.
21:55	Sokomine	ah. what do you have in mind?
21:55	* Sokomine	looks curious
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22:00	Peacock	does the skins mod reload the player avatar ingame or do you have to restart?
22:01	nore	PilzAdam, so, is it fast enough for you?
22:01	Peacock	woah, take the kinky stuff to PM :P
22:01	PilzAdam	the server is horribly slow
22:02	PilzAdam	havent tried on localhost
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22:02	EvergreenTree	sfan5, why is your website not up?
22:02	EvergreenTree	hi ruben
22:02	PilzAdam	Peacock, have you read the Minetest fanfiction yet?
22:02	rubenwardy	hi
22:03	Peacock	uhm, no, lol should i be afraid?
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22:03	rubenwardy	yes, definitely
22:03	harrison	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUcSMzT-rq4
22:03	Peacock	okay so the skins mod seem to work in game, will it fuck up wield3d though?
22:04	nore	PilzAdam, what have you tried on the server?
22:05	PilzAdam	walking?
22:05	nore	near the spawn? so it is the connection that is slow, not the mod?
22:05	PilzAdam	of course its the connection
22:06	nore	ah... well, I haven't timed the mod
22:06	PilzAdam	all of VanessaE's servers are terribly slow
22:06	nore	^ I guess this depends on where you are and if there are a lot of people playing
22:07	VanessaE	well I just paid for a dedicated server at OVH. waiting for them to set the machine up.
22:07	nore	OVH?
22:07	VanessaE	that VPS is to G*D damned slow.
22:07	VanessaE	ovh.com
22:07	Peacock	well with all the stuff you run im not surprised you need a dedicated box :P
22:08	nore	bbl
22:08	Peacock	i cant even run all those mods in singleplayer
22:08	VanessaE	Peacock: even ssh, rsync, etc are slow. so it isn't just minetest
22:08	Peacock	well would high cpu usage slow those things down?
22:09	Peacock	(and how many other customers are you sharing the box with?)
22:09	VanessaE	only if everything were crammed onto one code maybe.
22:09	VanessaE	core*
22:09	VanessaE	the VPS has 8 of them, so no.
22:09	Calinou	VanessaE, you paid for a dedi? you must be rich
22:09	VanessaE	Calinou: $30/mo.
22:09	Calinou	that must be a poor dedi then
22:10	Peacock	setup a donations page
22:10	VanessaE	Calinou: http://www.ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/pe1.xml
22:10	VanessaE	seems I got the last one.
22:10	Peacock	i wonder if ingame advertising would be possible, with like 3x2 billboards
22:10	Calinou	advertising is not profitable
22:11	Calinou	VanessaE, ah
22:12	rubenwardy	really, calinou? see google.
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22:12	Calinou	it's not profitable unless you're something huge
22:12	rubenwardy	however you wont have enough players
22:12	Calinou	TL;DR don't count on it
22:12	Peacock	well if you're not huge you're not gonna get a shitton of donations either :P
22:12	Calinou	better make your server pay2win :P
22:13	Peacock	well i checked out landrush's websites
22:13	Peacock	*site
22:13	Calinou	with tons of mese for those who donate
22:13	VanessaE	I don't care about "profitable"
22:13	Peacock	pay-for-itself is more important :P
22:13	VanessaE	I'm not one of those idiots who measures her time in dollars.
22:13	Peacock	when you work hard for money you dont like to lose it lol
22:14	Peacock	especially doing work like babysitting kids on a server lol
22:14	PilzAdam	make iron not diggable by stone; then only give iron to people who have donated
22:14	Calinou	lol
22:14	Calinou	only give build rights to people who have donated
22:14	rubenwardy	you joking?
22:14	Calinou	(there are a few Minecraft servers that do that actually)
22:14	Peacock	naw, write a special mod with reward items
22:15	rubenwardy	premium features is a good idea
22:15	Peacock	or give privs you dont normally give (fly)
22:15	Calinou	yes
22:15	Peacock	or allow people to protect twice as much space, or found a new city/be mayor
22:15	rubenwardy	mesecon/cart rights
22:16	Peacock	not sure i got the conjugation of founding right lol
22:17	VanessaE	that's right.
22:17	VanessaE	"to found" actually
22:17	Peacock	another of those words meant to confuse non english speakers lol
22:17	sfan5	EvergreenTree: it isn't up?
22:18	EvergreenTree	wait, it is
22:18	EvergreenTree	nvm
22:18	PilzAdam	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=124543#p124543
22:18	Calinou	bad link
22:19	Peacock	ugh, btcs lol whats wrong with paypal or e transfers
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22:19	PilzAdam	Calinou, GOOD LINK!
22:19	sfan5	Peacock: bitcoin because bits
22:20	kaeza	PilzAdam, no, /me put a mese nuke on it
22:20	Peacock	whats my garantee the exchange wont go under with my BTCs in the middle of things lol
22:20	Peacock	*guarantee
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22:21	PilzAdam	kaeza, still a good link
22:21	Calinou	PilzAdam, doesn't work for me
22:21	VanessaE	I thought btc and ltc were all but useless now, and what was it, dogecoin was the next big waste of cycles?
22:21	Calinou	btc made a lot of people rich
22:22	Calinou	some guy I know on IRC claims to have 60000$ from 600$ of bitcoins invested :P
22:22	Calinou	so does ltc
22:22	VanessaE	yeah if you had $10k to spend on a mining rig, or you got in early.
22:22	Peacock	alot of people claimed to get rich selling land in florida too a hundred years ago :P
22:22	kaeza	ShadowBot, y u no slap Peacock alot
22:22	Calinou	a LTC mining rig can cost less than $1000 and still do well
22:23	Calinou	but I'm not into mining
22:23	Calinou	(and I don't use cryptocurrencies anyway)
22:23	MinetestBot	kaeza: She sleeps because of me
22:23	ShadowNinja	kaeza: ^
22:23	* Calinou	hugs MinetestBot
22:23	Peacock	normally when people find a way to get rich, they dont spread the news so they can reduce their share, which makes me think its more of a ponzi
22:23	MinetestBot	<3
22:24	* kaeza	puts a kitten on each of MinetestBot and ShadowBot's heads
22:24	Calinou	ponzi?
22:25	Peacock	thats when you continously need an influx of new money/players to keep the thing going
22:25	Peacock	once people realize something's overvalued they all rush to sell which causes a crash
22:27	Peacock	abit like that housing thing in 07/08 :P
22:27	Peacock	anyways, bbl
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22:33	ShadowNinja	~kitten kaeza
22:33	ShadowBot	ShadowNinja: Error: I'm lobotomized in #minetest.
22:33	ShadowNinja	Grrrrr!!!!
22:33	kaeza	D:
22:35	aldobr	kaeza: lua logical operators are not bitwise ?
22:35	kaeza	nope
22:36	aldobr	that means my translation is wrong in several places :P
22:36	kaeza	yep
22:36	aldobr	i will translate to plain simple C and use FFI then
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22:37	aldobr	is this translatable to lua ?
22:37	aldobr	flags \|=tbyte&128;
22:37	aldobr	flags \|= tbyte & 128
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22:39	kaeza	you can use bitop in LuaHit
22:39	kaeza	-H+J
22:40	aldobr	how ?
22:40	kaeza	http://bitop.luajit.org/
22:42	aldobr	hm third party
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22:43	kaeza	aldobr, no, it's built into -jit
22:44	ShadowNinja	This won't work with Lua unless Lua 5.2 support is added, but most builds have LuaJIT now.
22:44	aldobr	anybody wanting to translate a 6502 emulator from javascript to lua ? :P
22:45	aldobr	i patch msbasic to work
22:45	aldobr	i promise :P
22:46	Sokomine	pilzadam: try the landrush server if you want slow. that is slow. vanessas servers are relatively fast; general mt lag/slowness seems to play a larger role than physical distance
22:46	proller	and fastest is *-free servers ;)
22:47	ShadowNinja	aldobr: I think aldobr was trying to do that. :-P
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22:51	Sokomine	*-free servers?
22:51	ruskie	free.fr probably
22:52	Sokomine	souns a bit french. i don't speak enough of it :-(
22:52	VanessaE	freeminer.
22:53	Sokomine	aah. thought those servers where almost interchangeable?
22:53	PilzAdam	nah, localhost is faster than freeminer servers
22:53	Sokomine	are there any specific freeminer-server?
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22:53	Sokomine	pilzadam: there are ways to get localhost to be slower than servers :-) a bad gpu and very mapgen-intense mods help
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22:56	Sokomine	btw, what about that network traffic cheapie reported regarding the mobs? do you have any idea what might be causing that? it's really odd how vanessas server collapsed when mobf was run :-( perhaps those improvements to the network code sapier is working on will help in more than one aspect?
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23:16	EvergreenTree	o/
23:16	* EvergreenTree	uses an IBM Model M keyboard
23:16	proller	PilzAdam, no, liquids and mapgen faster on freeminer.
23:16	EvergreenTree	It's in really good condition too
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23:16	proller	you can fly from 30000 to ground on server with ~10 peoples without stuck
23:16	PilzAdam	proller, Nodetopia doesnt have any flowing liquids; how can freeminer be faster?
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23:19	Peacock	you got rid of water and lava?
23:19	PilzAdam	they are just blocks, like every other one
23:19	proller	FM can show 300-500 blocks range around you
23:20	PilzAdam	the only difference is that you can swim in them
23:20	Peacock	makes sense, i still have the liquids but no entries in creative and no bucket, it's just there
23:20	Peacock	can't or can swim?
23:20	PilzAdam	you can swim in it
23:21	PilzAdam	I meant the only difference to other blocks
23:21	PilzAdam	also buckets are normal tools now; you have to "mine" water and lava with the crack and all that stuff
23:22	PilzAdam	s/now/in Nodetopia/
23:22	rubenwardy	is nos
23:23	rubenwardy	is nodetopia your fork?
23:23	PilzAdam	no
23:23	PilzAdam	its my own game that runs on the Minetest engine
23:24	rubenwardy	any edited c code? or is it a game
23:24	PilzAdam	"its my own game" â€“ "is it a game"
23:24	PilzAdam	its plain Lua
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23:25	rubenwardy	how is it faster than freeminers optimisations then. did you delete all block?
23:25	PilzAdam	it just doesnt use the flowing liquid feature of Minetest
23:25	rubenwardy	s/game/sub-game
23:25	proller	FM have not only liquid optimizations
23:26	PilzAdam	its not a "sub-game"
23:26	rubenwardy	according to c55 it is.
23:27	PilzAdam	according to Obama it isnt
23:27	PilzAdam	if its a sub-game, it has to be part of a bigger game
23:27	PilzAdam	what is that bigger game then?
23:28	iqualfragile_	the minetest game environment
23:28	Exio4	the engine itself!
23:28	Peacock	obviously, a super-sized subgame :P
23:28	PilzAdam	an engine isnt a game, though
23:28	iqualfragile_	i think the idea might be to not confuse people
23:28	PilzAdam	you should correct everyone who says "minetest is a game"
23:29	iqualfragile_	if you tell them: im playing the nodetopia game they think its something compleetly seperate from minetest
23:29	Peacock	oh yeah because being anal on semantics is going to score us more players :P
23:29	iqualfragile_	if you tell them im playing the nodetopia minetest subgame its much better because its sounds a lot more stupid!
23:29	Peacock	i still remember all the hissy fits people throw when someone misplaces a dot in the version numbers lol
23:30	rubenwardy	h
23:30	kaeza	i
23:30	iqualfragile_	yeah, that was around the 4.3 version, wasnt it?
23:30	Peacock	well it was still going on around 047, though people seem to have given up since lol
23:31	trauerlicht	iqualfragile_: ive neve sayed to someone that i play a mod of something (f.e: counterstrike, dota, teamfortress - all are mods of a (bigger) game)
23:31	rubenwardy	007
23:31	trauerlicht	said
23:31	trauerlicht	omg
23:32	iqualfragile_	trauerlicht: oh dear, that would confuse the shit out of everybody, as minetest is a mod-based game
23:32	iqualfragile_	and we cant just start calling gamemodes (which consist of mods) mods
23:32	PilzAdam	Nodetopia will be super popular in the near future, so everyone will understand when I say "I play the Nodetopia game"
23:32	iqualfragile_	PilzAdam: :D
23:32	Peacock	with a name like that, not sure :P
23:33	PilzAdam	the name is better than "Pilztest", but Im open to suggestions to change it again
23:33	Peacock	well anything without the words 'mine' or 'test' or 'node' or 'voxel' lol
23:33	Peacock	'more' 'unified' 'plus' '+' as well lol
23:34	trauerlicht	PilzAdam: Nodetopia sounds like the yellow postits with a jungle.
23:34	Peacock	nodetopia reminds me of fruitopia, so everytime i picture some sort of minetest bottled juice lol
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23:35	iqualfragile_	Peacock: i guess it is a play on words combining node and utopia
23:36	rubenwardy	nodetopia is less ambiguous than "capture the flag"
23:36	Peacock	well like say 'Eden', thats based on a mythical place
23:36	PilzAdam	iqualfragile_, you solved the riddle of the name, you won a free copy
23:36	iqualfragile_	YEEEEEEEEYYY, FAPTASICT, not that its wtfpl anyways
23:36	rubenwardy	congrats!
23:37	Peacock	there must be mythical places in german stories that could make for good names :P
23:37	EvergreenTree	conglaturations!1!1
23:37	iqualfragile_	Peacock: there are :D
23:37	iqualfragile_	but any german would just rage if many people choose these as names
23:38	Peacock	howcome?
23:38	iqualfragile_	Peacock: where are you from/culturaly based?
23:38	Peacock	mostly french/scott ancestry born in QC, Can
23:39	iqualfragile_	in that case there is not that much of a difference in mythology
23:39	fmcd	hi all.. where is the my_mobs mod?
23:39	iqualfragile_	fmcd: what?
23:39	Peacock	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mythological_places
23:40	Peacock	i'd skip Asgard though
23:40	rubenwardy	fmcd: google
23:40	fmcd	yeah.. having trouble finding a link
23:40	rubenwardy	!g my_mobs minetest
23:40	MinetestBot	rubenwardy: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2960
23:40	iqualfragile_	why the hell are there two seperate enteries for niflhel and nifilheim?
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23:41	rubenwardy	lol
23:41	rubenwardy	follow the link in there
23:41	fmcd	that's the food mod?
23:42	rubenwardy	there is a link in there
23:42	fmcd	oh followed link from there onto it.
23:42	fmcd	thanks
23:42	trauerlicht	there are two enteries for heaven and hell ...
23:42	Sokomine	i don't think we ought to name games by mystical german places. either people won't understand, would mix up with fantasy, or would rather connect that to a time we won't have repeated
23:43	Peacock	gowin's law?
23:43	Peacock	*godwin
23:43	Sokomine	good names for games/subgames are of course difficult...
23:43	Sokomine	peacock: seems so :)
23:43	Peacock	hell i named my latest game after the planet in Aliens lol
23:43	Peacock	LV-426
23:44	Peacock	though it's not really meant for distribution so it doesn't really matter
23:44	Peacock	math.pow(really,2)
23:45	Peacock	is wieldview the same as wield3d?
23:46	rubenwardy	...
23:47	Peacock	theres wield3d by stu and another modpack by stu that has wieldview in it
23:47	rubenwardy	Any suggestions for capture the flag?
23:48	Peacock	ideally i want wield3d and skins
23:48	trauerlicht	rubenwardy: what exactly?
23:48	Sokomine	stu has written quite a lot of intresting mods
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23:48	VanessaE	wield3d is buggy
23:48	Peacock	works fine for me
23:48	VanessaE	it leaves random entities behind as you move around the world
23:49	Peacock	yeah those are just missing a selection box so you can delete them
23:49	VanessaE	um..
23:49	Peacock	wieldview looks flat, im guessing its a 2d version that works with skins?
23:49	VanessaE	they shouldn't appear at all
23:49	rubenwardy	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6947
23:49	Sokomine	ah, yes, i've seen that strange behaviour. those entities lying around are confusing
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23:51	Peacock	well a 3d wield should really be part (option) of the engine, not some hacky mod, but ill take what i can get lol
23:52	rubenwardy	some time next week i'll need some one to hold a ctf server, so i can debug it.
23:52	Peacock	it just feels odd to me to have a 3d player, and flat wields
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23:52	PilzAdam	I tried to add it to Nodetopia, but either Minetest's or Irrlicht's attachment thingy is really fucked up
23:53	Peacock	as a mod or an engine patch/pull/we its called?
23:53	PilzAdam	I tried it with the modding API for models and attachments
23:54	rubenwardy1	pull request / patch is what it is mainly called
23:55	Peacock	im not sure with what sorcery stu got wield3d to work lol maybe i can combine with zeg's skins
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23:55	rubenwardy	[citation needed]
23:55	Peacock	?
23:56	trauerlicht	rubenwardy: a time-limit to bring the flag home
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23:58	rubenwardy	thats a thought: at the moment you dont have to brimg the. flag back
23:58	rubenwardy	I will add that.
23:59	trauerlicht	oh, ok, 2 ideas :)

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