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00:08 trauerlicht why is there no avaiable "single player" option to start with?
00:08 kaeza ?
00:08 trauerlicht at minetest....
00:09 kaeza um...
00:09 trauerlicht if i start it in the bash i only get a new window with really tiny wrtings, theres no option to choose something like multiplayer or sth else
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00:13 trauerlicht was disconnected because of misclicking ...
00:14 john_minetest trauerlicht: There should be tabs there labled "Client" and "Singleplayer".
00:14 john_minetest Client is multiplayer.
00:15 john_minetest You get a server list there and stuff.  In Singleplayer view you simply create a new map and press "Play"
00:15 trauerlicht john_minetest: maybe i have an old version
00:15 john_minetest Which one?
00:15 john_minetest Upper right corner has version number.
00:16 trauerlicht john_minetest: there is no one listed
00:17 trauerlicht john_minetest: maybe a old version in the rep.
00:17 trauerlicht ill try the other one with the github thing
00:18 john_minetest Where did you get your version from?
00:18 john_minetest trauerlicht ^
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00:19 trauerlicht john_minetest: apt-get :)
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00:19 john_minetest Oh.
00:20 john_minetest Einfaches script:
00:20 PilzAdam trauerlicht, what distro?
00:20 trauerlicht PilzAdam: Mint15
00:21 john_minetest git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest minetest-git && cd minetest-git && cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 && make -j6
00:22 PilzAdam trauerlicht, minetest --version
00:22 john_minetest Where the -j6 is your processor thread count +1. So dualcore is -j3 for example
00:22 trauerlicht ok, thank you ... PilzAdam: theres no "--version" support...
00:23 trauerlicht it has to be really old *laughs
00:23 PilzAdam well, 0.4.7 didnt have --version IIRC
00:23 kaeza not *too* old, but old still
00:23 PilzAdam and we are at 0.4.8 currently
00:23 trauerlicht ok, then it could be an old rep via apt-get
00:24 PilzAdam ubuntu had 0.3.1 since 13.10 in the repos
00:24 PilzAdam and that one is over a year old
00:26 trauerlicht ok, this will take some time, new system exclusive git. and only isdn-speed. i really like the max-data cap :/
00:26 PilzAdam there should be a version in the top-left
00:26 trauerlicht 6kb/sec
00:27 john_minetest Wow... My slowest connection EVER was 230 KB/s max.
00:28 john_minetest My connection at home is 1.5 MB/s
00:29 trauerlicht im using my cellphone with overdriven datavolume
00:30 trauerlicht minetest with SER_FMT_VER_HIGHEST=20, VER=0.3.1 RUN_IN_PLACE=0 USE_GETTEXT=1 INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr BUILD_TYPE=Release
00:30 PilzAdam ok, thats really old
00:31 john_minetest WLAN hotspot function?
00:32 trauerlicht correct
00:32 john_minetest I am sherlock 2.0 ;)
00:32 john_minetest PilzAdam: Wanna be watson?
00:32 john_minetest :D
00:32 john_minetest Ah, I am tired and talking crap again. See you.
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00:33 trauerlicht haha :) 1:32 -!-  server   : holmes.freenode.net [London, UK]
00:33 trauerlicht maybe thats the reason why hes holmes :)
00:34 Darkangel how do u get Mods to work in Minetest 4.8?
00:34 Darkangel there giving me all these errors
00:35 trauerlicht Darkangel: which version?
00:35 trauerlicht and which errors?
00:35 PilzAdam Darkangel, what errors?
00:35 Darkangel like failed to work or something.. am i exposed to Compile it or something?
00:36 PilzAdam Darkangel, what OS do you use?
00:36 Darkangel Ubuntu 14.04
00:36 Darkangel Daily build
00:36 PilzAdam run it in a terminal and pastebin the error message
00:36 Darkangel init.lua Failed to run
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00:39 Darkangel like send the error message here? its gonna be alot for a fair warning
00:39 PilzAdam no, use a pastebin
00:39 RealBadAngel hi all
00:39 Darkangel whats that?
00:40 trauerlicht Darkangel: he wants to see the full error log
00:40 PilzAdam pastebin.com
00:40 Darkangel oh ok
00:41 trauerlicht pastebin.com <= more than 3 lines of code, you can easily pastebin it there.
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00:49 trauerlicht wget https://github.com/minetest/​minetest_game/tarball/master -O minetest_game.tar.gz
00:49 trauerlicht sorry
00:50 trauerlicht false bash
00:52 Darkangel Finely got that done the Minetest errors where sent to paste Bin my user name on there is Darkangel219230 sorry for the so much w8 had to get my daily dose of LAG
00:53 trauerlicht link?
00:54 Darkangel http://pastebin.com/0VQF0PFs
00:55 PilzAdam Darkangel, you have mesecons 2 times in your modfolder
00:56 trauerlicht and theres a no_screenshot.png missing
00:58 Darkangel how ya fix the no screen shot thing
00:58 PilzAdam thats currently broken on system-wide installations
00:58 Darkangel kk
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01:04 trauerlicht 15% left, watson :)
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01:14 trauerlicht ill try that out next year ... or tomorrow .. the cellphone connection kills my time ... 6KiB/s is the best way to get frustrated.
01:15 trauerlicht PilzAdam: really thank you for being patient with me :)
01:15 Darkangel Jesus O_O some of these Mods are crazy lol but alsome
01:15 trauerlicht Darkangel: why?
01:16 Darkangel cuzz i was not sure what that Blueish ball was but when i got close to it It blew up in my face
01:17 trauerlicht a bubble of darkness maybe, try asking ozzy :)
01:17 Darkangel lol
01:19 Darkangel How u make a server go Live? do u just set 1 up in the client and thats it?
01:20 Darkangel Minetest server i mean =)
01:21 trauerlicht Darkangel: i think so, you need to check your port forwarding
01:22 Darkangel kk
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01:23 trauerlicht ok, hte github thing died in this moment RIP .... i need some sleep now; dont let the bad bugs bite
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02:47 PilzAdam bye
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03:53 basilgohar Is it possible, using mods like mesecons and/or pipeworks to have a furnace report when it's empty and a filter node feed it only at that point, rather than at a regular interval or via manually "punching" the filter node?
03:53 Peacock possible, but not coded
03:53 basilgohar I currently use a blinking power plant from mesecons to just regularly switch a filter on and off, and that feeds the furnace, but at a slower rate than it can process if it was fed on demand.
03:54 VanessaE it's possible by counting inputs vs outputs but its tricky
03:54 basilgohar I saw some notes in a git repo about mesecons actually using feeback from the furnace to indicate when it's done, which is kind of what I'm looking for, but I did not see this actually possible through any public interface or through the code.
03:55 basilgohar This is what I found before: https://gitorious.org/minetest-class​ic/cy2s-minetest-classic/commit/249b​47c3ecda5d0e83fed4833bfe835fa65bf332
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03:59 basilgohar Are there any ways to get nodes to emit mesecon-compatible signals as described?
03:59 basilgohar VanessaE: Is there any example as you've described shared/posted somewhere in more detail, or a video showing how it's setup?
04:00 VanessaE there IS an api in mesecons for it actually,
04:01 VanessaE one sec
04:02 VanessaE hrm
04:02 VanessaE I know I had an example here somewhere
04:03 VanessaE well my code is more complicated than a simple example, but look at the flow sensor pipe
04:03 VanessaE in devices.lua
04:04 VanessaE it emits a simple high/low signal if mesecons is installed (and a wire is connected)
04:05 Hirato_ he wants a block that goes ping!
04:06 VanessaE but basically, it's mesecons = {receptor = {state = mesecon.state.on .... or .state.off, rules = your_connection_rules_here})
04:07 VanessaE er, make that a } at the end
04:07 VanessaE put that in your node def
04:07 VanessaE set your ruls according to what's written on mesecons.net
04:07 VanessaE browse through pipeworks devices.lua and init.lua and you should be able to figure the rest out :)
04:07 VanessaE you can see where I don't add the mesecons code to the node defs if mesecons wasn't detected
04:08 VanessaE so that pipeworks doesn't have to hard-depend on it
04:08 VanessaE Hirato_: but isn't that machine rather expensive?
04:08 VanessaE :)
04:08 VanessaE all these other machines, and only this one that goes PING!! ?
04:09 VanessaE (feh, I can't remember hardly any of that routine anymore)
04:12 Hirato_ it's easy enough to find in the tubes :P
04:24 basilgohar VanessaE: Thanks.  I hope something like this becomes something more standard...would be nice for nodes to know how to configure themselves to emit useful signals like this.
04:24 VanessaE mesecons is becoming something of a standard, yes
04:26 Hirato_ though, why is Jeija adding extensions to mesecons, rather than just adding them to mesecons?
04:30 basilgohar Hirato_: They're packaged altogether in a modpack, aren't they?  Or are you referring to something else?
04:30 Hirato_ stuff like digilines
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04:43 VanessaE Hirato_: he wants to keep mesecons fairly basic I guess
04:44 VanessaE I guess he figures digilines et al. are different enough from the core purpose of mesecons to not be part of the base distribution of it
04:46 Peacock he also hasn't been around in a while :P
04:48 VanessaE not here, for sure
04:48 VanessaE but he's been "alert"
04:48 VanessaE I've seen messages from him in his github repo
04:49 Peacock well yeah lots of former minetestians are still on the interwebz working on other projects
04:49 VanessaE his most recent message was just this past saturday, infact.
04:49 VanessaE in mesecons.
04:49 VanessaE so not "other projects"
04:49 VanessaE just not here in irc
04:50 Peacock i think uberi handles most of the work on we and mesecons now?
04:52 VanessaE yeah
04:52 VanessaE jeija's last message was https://github.com/Jeija/mesecons.net/commi​t/8f7c131e906152599bc401c5a4a2f662ab70f5a2
04:52 VanessaE so he's still coding on mesecons, too
04:52 VanessaE he's just got other stuff to do
04:52 Peacock rba recently mentionned clickable huds, that would be awesome for a nextgen WE
04:53 VanessaE there's a worldedit GUI now
04:53 VanessaE my servers have it
04:53 Peacock GUI yes, but thats formspecs
04:53 VanessaE yeah
04:53 Peacock using the HUD would be a little more like gimp
04:54 Peacock i suppose a nextgen mesecons would be like, w-less and channels and comps
04:57 Peacock damn, just watched mulder get abducted (x-files S7E22) :P
05:05 ShadowNinja I've published my custom plugins for ShadowBot. :-) ,,(source)
05:05 ShadowBot My source is at https://github.com/ProgVal/Limnoria -- Custom plugins are at https://github.com/ShadowNinja/Limnoria-plugins
05:15 MinetestBot GIT: kaeza commited to minetest/minetest: Fix enum element name in Lua HUD code (position vs. pos) 767b2e7b17 2013-12-30T21:13:54-08:00 http://git.io/BGkV3Q
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06:35 VanessaE night all (I hope)
06:35 VanessaE nnl
06:36 VanessaE bbl too.
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08:49 MrB_ I have downloaded 0.4.8 and am unable to disable creative mode. Is this a known bug or just my experience?
08:51 reactor MrB_: I'm in the opposite situation. I can't enable it.
08:51 reactor Even though I set the creative mode varible in server config.
08:51 reactor 6 have.
08:51 reactor s/6/I/
08:53 MrB_ I have also noticed the config file has no bearing on creative mode
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09:27 crissc Hi, still having some troubles with the "compilation" of minetest 0.4.8
09:28 crissc I post here : https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=123600#p123600
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10:05 john_minetest Hello everypony
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11:47 sfan5 my finger generates about 4 mV voltage.. lol
11:48 trauerlicht sfan5: imagine what your brain can do :)
11:48 sfan5 hmmm..
11:49 sfan5 825 persons would be enough to power an ATtiny
11:49 trauerlicht could somone say my name, highlite testing with irssi :)
11:50 sfan5 trauerlicht: test
11:50 trauerlicht sfan5: works fine :) thank you
11:50 sfan5 you could also just utilize MinetestBot
11:50 sfan5 MinetestBot!
11:50 MinetestBot sfan5!
11:51 trauerlicht sfan5: ty, did not know that :)
11:51 sfan5 MinetestBot can do this:
11:51 sfan5 !help
11:51 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
11:52 trauerlicht im just testing irssi, but i dont want to spam the channel
11:52 sfan5 you can also use MinetestBot in query
11:52 john_minetest Brain can produce 60 Watts
11:53 reactor consume*
11:53 john_minetest consume sounds like drugs
11:54 john_minetest "Woah, I took 60 Watts and I am SO high on reality."
11:54 reactor It doesn't produce energy.
11:54 reactor It spends it.
11:55 john_minetest It produces energy
11:55 reactor Intensity of reaction powering it is 60W.
11:55 reactor It produces heat.
11:55 john_minetest Y U NO read biology books
11:55 reactor Heck.
11:55 reactor It turns chemical energy into heat eh.
11:55 john_minetest It uses Adonesin Tri Phosphate and produces Electricity.
11:55 john_minetest *Adenosine
11:55 reactor Some energy is turned into information, sure.
12:08 xming do any server admin provide world backup download?
12:08 VanessaE I used to
12:08 VanessaE but then the maps got....  unwieldy.
12:09 xming VanessaE: oh I would love to download one (doesn't even need to be recent)
12:10 VanessaE if you don't mind downloading ~2 GB, plus another ~35 MB for the game data, I could put a copy of my Creative world up :)
12:11 xming BTW, happy new year for those in the GMT+11/12 zones
12:12 xming VanessaE: if you don't mind, I would love to
12:12 VanessaE lemme see if I can spare the storage :)
12:14 xming is that 2GB+ uncompressed?
12:14 VanessaE yeah
12:15 kahrl might be better to use torrent rather than http for that download
12:15 VanessaE yeah
12:15 VanessaE jeez I haven't torrented in ages
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12:16 xming sqlite data is very compressible
12:16 VanessaE ok good, transmission can create torrents
12:16 xming (hopefully)
12:17 VanessaE question is who to use for tracking.
12:17 sfan5 VanessaE: udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80/announce
12:17 * VanessaE downloads this morning's backup...
12:18 VanessaE (good thing I have a nice, fast pipe)
12:18 VanessaE (at least incoming)
12:18 VanessaE sfan5: ah thanks
12:19 xming euh, if I am the only person to d/l it there is no point of making it a torrent
12:21 xming VanessaE: I can host it on a server in UK
12:21 VanessaE in that case,
12:21 * VanessaE cancels the download
12:22 VanessaE I'll just put it up for download on the server and you can distribute it from your end :)
12:22 xming fast upload too?
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12:23 VanessaE my server can sustain about 10 Mbps outgoing, at least.
12:23 sfan5 !c 10 megabit in megabyte
12:23 MinetestBot IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/calc.py", line 46, in c)
12:23 sfan5 argh
12:23 * VanessaE waits for the tarball to extract
12:24 xming nice
12:24 xming residential connection?
12:24 xming I have 100Mpbs on my UK servers
12:24 VanessaE sfan5: I usually just go by orders of magnitude for that, accounts for overhead and start/stop bits (habit from my old RS232 days)
12:24 trauerlicht sfan5: about 2megabyte per second
12:24 VanessaE xming: VPS, actually.
12:25 xming ah that's "normal" then :D
12:25 xming I thought you might be one of those Google fibre areas
12:26 xming (those luck basterds)
12:26 * sfan5 wants Google fibre in Germany
12:26 VanessaE I wish
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12:26 VanessaE my residential connection is 30/3 or something
12:27 VanessaE (these days I forget what I'm paying for, as it's been upgraded a couple of times)
12:27 * sfan5 has 13/1 here
12:27 sfan5 (Mbps)
12:27 xming everyone wishes to have google fibre :D
12:28 xming 20/22 here fro 40 euro :/
12:28 xming 20/2 here fro 40 euro :/
12:28 xming way too much
12:28 VanessaE I doubt google will ever come to my sleepy little town...but then again there's street view data for my neighborhood less than a year old, and this ain't exactly downtown
12:28 VanessaE 30/3 costs me USD $54/mo
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12:29 VanessaE (I figure street view to be less than a year old as it shows my car in the driveway, and we've only lived here for about 14 months)
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12:30 xming why are you extracting the tarball?
12:31 VanessaE because it contains other stuff like authentication data, plus tons of other worlds' files which you won't need
12:31 xming creepy
12:31 VanessaE I currently store all the worlds in one big tarball (why I did it that way, idk)
12:32 xming did they blurred the license plate?
12:32 reactor xming: good grammar!
12:32 VanessaE no time difference to build the backups, but it takes an ice age to untar.
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12:32 markveidemanis HI
12:32 VanessaE oh, the image is too distant to make out any details other than I can tell it's my car.
12:32 markveidemanis I feel like writing a Minetest Mod Review
12:32 xming can worldedit copy a region, save it, then open a new world can paste that region?
12:33 xming yeah double past tense :(
12:33 xming which was totally wrong
12:33 markveidemanis Anyone want me to review Their mod?
12:33 VanessaE yep, you can do that
12:33 VanessaE but you have to cp the saved file to the other world first
12:34 xming reactor: btw, English is not my mother tongue
12:34 xming VanessaE: thanks
12:34 VanessaE open world, mark the region, //save, close world, cp path_to_world/schems/file path_to_otherworld/schems, open other world, mark region, //load
12:36 xming IO is usually the bottleneck on most VPS
12:37 reactor ON all machines it's a bottleneck.
12:37 reactor s/N/n/
12:38 VanessaE yeah, indeed so
12:38 VanessaE I can't usually sustain more than 7.5k blocks/sec
12:38 VanessaE but I can hit a huge spike of close to 60k/sec right around the time that the nightly backup is made
12:39 xming VanessaE: how many concurrent users can your VPS support?
12:40 VanessaE xming: it varies, but I would guess all five minetest servers combined could probably handle about 30 or 40 users
12:40 VanessaE though I rarely see more than maybe 15 tops, altogether.
12:40 Evolykane Hi
12:40 VanessaE all-together*
12:40 VanessaE hi
12:41 Evolykane Have Birthday today :D
12:41 VanessaE xming: the VPS has 1GB RAM and a ~1.1GB swap partition (== disk image), and I guess max users on a server is limited more by that and by how much lag they'll tolerate
12:42 VanessaE proller claimed something like 200 users (== bots) on one of his freeminer tests recently, at a rather high RAM usage, as if somehow hosting costs were cheap once you get above 1-2 GB of RAM on the server.
12:43 VanessaE I'd switch to a dedicated server at Hetzner like thexyz proposed, but that's ~$70/mo
12:46 xming is it CPU bound or disk io bound?
12:47 xming 'ollo
12:48 VanessaE mostly CPU bound
12:48 VanessaE but memory is a close second
12:48 Jordach VanessaE, if 5 players on 128mb of ram don't lag, then you're doing it wrong :)
12:48 VanessaE *don't lag*
12:48 VanessaE heh
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12:49 Jordach things Gambit would never say: Minetoon 2.0 Released! ; Texture License is CC-BY-SA
12:49 xming VanessaE: there are cheaper alternatives in US
12:49 Megaf Hi all
12:52 xming Dual Intel Xeon L5520 24GB ECC Ram -> $49/Month
12:52 VanessaE xming: well my VPS costs me $20/mo
12:52 VanessaE oh>
12:52 VanessaE ?
12:52 VanessaE where's that at?
12:53 thexyz there are other cheaphosts for sure
12:53 VanessaE honestly,
12:53 VanessaE I kinda fear "cheap" hosts a bit
12:53 VanessaE 1. who am I giving my data to?
12:53 VanessaE 2. who am I giving my debit card info to?
12:54 thexyz I know of http://www.ovh.co.uk/ for example
12:54 xming HP BL460C Dual X5150, 16GB, 500GB - $20/mo in Atlanta
12:54 VanessaE I can do all the research in the world but sometimes you just can't tell anymore :-/
12:54 thexyz well if you're willing to know then you should go and read their terms and other stuff
12:54 VanessaE xming: where?????
12:54 VanessaE with whom?
12:54 xming VanessaE: that 24GB is out of stock
12:54 VanessaE no, the second one for $20
12:55 VanessaE fuck, if I can get those specs for $20/mo, I'll drop Linode right now :)
12:56 xming https://clients.delimitervps.com/cart.ph​p?a=add&amp;pid=102&amp;carttpl=cart%22
12:56 xming Coupon XMAS2013
12:57 thexyz so then it'll switch to the "default" price?
12:57 pitriss hi, please is possible detect timestamp of server start from mod ?
12:58 thexyz pitriss: you can add a os.time() call to your 'init.lua', those are executed at server startup
12:58 xming linode is expensive, used to be top notch
12:58 VanessaE $20/mo is expensive?
12:59 xming $60 is the "list" price
12:59 pitriss thexyz: ah yea.. thanks..
12:59 xming use the coupon to get $20
12:59 thexyz xming: so will it switch to $60/month after a month or so when the deal expires?
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13:03 xming thexyz: nope, $20 for as long as you keep it
13:03 xming and pay quarerly
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13:03 xming this is from a more "reputable company" https://www.datashack.net/dedicated/
13:03 xming a bit more expensive, but still affordable
13:03 thexyz uh, that's strange, it usually is the other way
13:05 xming thexyz: Total Recurring:  $60.00 USD Quarterly
13:06 thexyz ah well
13:07 xming thexyz: http://i.imgur.com/ZoNSEAN.png
13:08 thexyz well i'd like something like an official reply in the forums
13:08 thexyz who knows how this web page works
13:09 xming too bad there are no such offers in EU
13:10 xming VanessaE: still untarring?
13:10 VanessaE oh, no sorry
13:10 VanessaE it's done
13:10 VanessaE I got sidetracked
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13:13 VanessaE xming: moving it into place now.  this will take a while.
13:14 VanessaE (had to untar as one user, then log in as a different user to copy it into a web-access....
13:14 VanessaE oh, it's done! :D
13:14 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vaness​a/hobbies/minetest/Creative-map.sqlite
13:14 VanessaE want me to compress that?
13:16 trauerlicht maybe offtopic, but: is someone used to irssi and formatting? is it possible to indent the messages, that theyre more readable?
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13:18 VanessaE xming: well, compressing it anyway.  wait a bit.
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13:32 VanessaE xming: still compressing...
13:32 VanessaE xming: btw for how long is that coupon code good?
13:34 xming VanessaE: 31 Dec :(
13:35 xming VanessaE: there will always be deal for around $30~$50 from various companies
13:35 VanessaE damn it.
13:35 * VanessaE closes the page
13:35 xming that $20 is very good except only *1* HDD and no means to add a second one
13:35 VanessaE my next paycheck isn't until Jan 2.
13:35 xming VanessaE: Paypal + CC?
13:36 VanessaE meh, 500GB is 10x what I need anyway, I'd just end up splitting it up into 2 partitions.
13:36 VanessaE I don't have a credit card :-/
13:36 xming VanessaE: redundency wise
13:36 VanessaE paypal yes, but my bank acct is too low right now :(
13:37 VanessaE xming:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/​hobbies/minetest/Creative-map.sqlite.bz2
13:37 VanessaE download, un-bzip, make a world out of it.
13:37 xming thanks
13:37 VanessaE it relies on VanessaE_Game, http://minetest.digitalaudiocon​cepts.com/VanessaE_Game.tar.bz2
13:38 VanessaE plus these worldmods:  http://minetest.digitalaudioc​oncepts.com/worldmods.tar.bz2
13:38 VanessaE I think.
13:38 VanessaE if any are missing, I'm sure you can sort it out :)
13:41 xming ty
13:45 xming yeah I hope so, I am still a noob at admin minetest server(s)
13:46 xming VanessaE: want me to ping you if I encounter some cheap deals on dedis?
13:46 VanessaE yes please!
13:49 thexyz you can as well browse through http://lowendtalk.com/ yourself
13:58 trauerlicht its really frustrating ... nothing works. is there a way to update the source-list to (apt-)get the newest version of minetest? or do i _have_  to compile it by myself?
13:59 reactor It's generally better to compile latest MT.
14:00 trauerlicht reactor: ok, then i dont understand the github thing. do i have to install 2 packages of minetest - a engine _and_ a engine-using "script"?
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14:00 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
14:00 reactor EHLO
14:01 reactor trauerlicht: yes, the "Minetest" engine, and the "Minetest" game.
14:02 trauerlicht reactor: i remember a step-by-step tutorial on the wiki. i just check that.
14:02 reactor It's as simple as opening the README with your preferred editor.
14:02 reactor Okay?
14:05 john_minetest trauerlicht: Minetest is basically an engine that provides all the functions for building up a game like minecraft. Minetest_game is the official script and graphics for the game but devs promote making own mods and own games.
14:05 PilzAdam VanessaE, installed stats yet?
14:05 VanessaE haven't had a chance
14:06 trauerlicht john_minetest: this is neat - really. very - not - selfish.
14:06 xming and lowendbox.com and vpsboard.com and webhostingtalk.com/co.uk/...
14:07 xming there are tons of websites
14:07 * xming recompressin the tarball
14:08 xming and if you don't really need dedis, you can get some 4GB VPS
14:12 xming I wonder if RAM usage can be reduced with KSM
14:12 xming there are probably lot's of duplicated pages
14:14 VanessaE well a VPS works perfectly fine but I wish I could tweak my numbers a bit
14:14 VanessaE I could use another 20GB or so of space and a couple gigs more RAM, and the disk speed is really abysmal, but I have tons of transfer bandwidth I will never use
14:15 VanessaE but the thought of paying 2x as much to get those extra bits is...unpleasant.
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14:22 trauerli1ht nick is owned ?!
14:22 trauerli1ht someone stole my nick - bad things happen here  ^^
14:24 EvergreenTree it's your fault you didn't register it
14:24 xming use NickServe
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14:35 xyz true party can't be had with ShadowBot around; this sucker always kicks people for having fun
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14:40 trauerli1ht grml
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14:46 Trauerlicht ok .. registered
14:51 Trauerlicht jesus ... minetest works :D
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14:59 VanessaE why wouldn't it? :)
15:01 Issa2013 HEllo evrybody
15:01 VanessaE hi Issa
15:01 Issa2013 Hi VanessaE
15:01 Trauerlicht because i did not expect this to work :)
15:05 Issa2013 VanessaE, how i can add some monsters to fight ?
15:06 PilzAdam xyz, will you keep this nick now?
15:07 VanessaE Issa2013: install PilzAdam's simple mobs mod
15:07 VanessaE but it should already be part of the game
15:07 VanessaE I re-added it earlier today
15:07 Issa2013 i have added but nothing in game and no animals
15:09 sfan5 argh!
15:09 sfan5 WHY IS ANDROID'S LIBC SO SHITTY?
15:11 zash sfan5: It's a study in how much shit developers will put up with.
15:12 sfan5 I mean like it defines things in it's header files it doesn't even support (not  even a stub)
15:12 sfan5 that fucks up the complete locale thing
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15:14 Trauerlicht sfan5: thats the way of life. in germany our students are taught to something what in future wont exist anymore :)
15:17 PilzAdam Trauerlicht, its called history
15:17 markveidemanis http://marktest.co.uk/2013/12/m​inetest-mods-technical-basics/ Minetest Mods Basics
15:20 Jordach Trauerlicht, sfan5 *IS* german :P
15:24 Trauerlicht a present photographer does not need to know how photos was taken in the earlies, but they are told so; non-sense. long time ago my teacher tought me the turtle way of programming. and it was nonsense.
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15:27 markveidemanis *taught *nonsense
15:28 Trauerlicht markveidemanis: thank you :) my english is rusty as hell
15:29 markveidemanis It's fine just you uses the correct 'nonsense' instead of non-sense later on
15:29 markveidemanis *used
15:30 markveidemanis IRC chat does not have to be perfcoart
15:30 sfan5 >perfcoart
15:30 sfan5 wat
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15:33 OWNSyouAll what do trees need to grow in minetest just sunlight?
15:33 VanessaE PilzAdam: fwiw, stats is staged to go onto all five of my servers as soon as they're restarted next.
15:33 PilzAdam OWNSyouAll, just dirt or grass under the saplings
15:33 PilzAdam VanessaE, great!
15:34 PilzAdam VanessaE, Id like to hear some feedback from your players
15:34 sfan5 yesss!!!!!!!!!!
15:34 sfan5 yay
15:34 Jordach eh wat
15:34 sfan5 the static library was finally loaded!!!!
15:34 Jordach PilzAdam, I'd
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15:35 Jordach noice
15:36 Issa2013 so whats fetures for minetest 2014 ?
15:36 Issa2013 what the futur for it
15:36 Issa2013 we need a news for that :=)*
15:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: of course, I have not added the stats optdepend to any of my mods, didn't see that until just now
15:36 xyz PilzAdam: yes
15:37 xyz why?
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15:43 xyz PilzAdam: why?
15:43 PilzAdam its just nice to know what nicks people use
15:43 xyz sfan5: also what're you working on?
15:44 xyz ah, I see
15:44 PilzAdam so I dont have to look for thexyz anymore when I want to ping you
15:44 sfan5 xyz: finally getting android to load the damn shared library
15:44 sfan5 now I just need to find out why it crashes
15:44 sfan5 and where
15:44 sfan5 and how
15:44 xyz I really don't understand since there's already port by me which loads fine
15:44 Jordach GDB!
15:44 xyz it doesn't seem productive to do two ports
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15:44 sfan5 I don't want to use a completly different build system that needs to be updates along cmake
15:45 sfan5 s/I don't want to/It is not practical to/
15:45 xyz ah, I see
15:45 sfan5 s/updates/updated/
15:45 Issa2013 VanessaE, like u see here ++> http://www.enlightenment.org/ss​/e-52c2e670ae63a6.78206894.jpg  i have monster and animals but on the maps i have nothing :/
15:45 xyz well, I don't want to use cmake for this task
15:45 xyz because with ndk-build it's just so easy to get things going
15:46 VanessaE Issa2013:  /mobf
15:46 VanessaE turn on "Secondary spawning"
15:46 VanessaE I see mobf-related stuff in there
15:47 VanessaE and it does that :)
15:47 xyz and cmake could be used to generate that Android.mk file
15:47 markveidemanis \ACTION\ seen Rhy5
15:47 Jordach !seen Rhy5
15:47 MinetestBot Jordach: rhy5 was last seen at 2013-12-25 19:35:01 UTC on #minetest
15:48 markveidemanis ...
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15:48 markveidemanis He said he'd come...
15:48 ShadowNinja sfan5: I parallelized and combined the up messages, so ,,(up digitalaudioconcepts.com 30000-30014) works, and relatively fast.
15:48 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: digitalaudioconcepts.com port 30003 is up (39ms) | port 30002 is up (43ms) | port 30001 is up (63ms) | port 30004 is up (68ms) | port 30000 is up (87ms) | port 30005 is down | port 30006 is down | port 30007 is down | port 30008 is down | port 30009 is down | port 30011 is down | port 30010 is down | port 30012 is down | port 30013 is down | port 30014 is down
15:48 markveidemanis ...
15:48 markveidemanis Ha...Ha...Ha
15:48 xyz sfan5: I still don't really understand how your stuff works; there's some loader and user's supposed to place the library on sdcard? why's that? why not just use nativeactivity or whatever it's called?
15:49 markveidemanis Much better than MinetestBot's function
15:49 markveidemanis Which iirc i thought of
15:49 xyz ,,(up digitalaudioconcepts.com 0-65535) FREE NMAP
15:50 VanessaE :P
15:50 Jordach ShadowBot, trollface
15:50 sfan5 xyz: it still uses nativeactivity without that it won't work, also that is old stuff; my current Android.mk just contains a cp command to copy the library, there is no need for a shared lib on the sdcard now
15:50 ShadowNinja xyz: It IS limited, although I raised the limit.
15:50 sfan5 -> https://github.com/sfan5/minetest/tree/android_new
15:50 markveidemanis Wait, you need to rethink the parsing
15:50 sfan5 s/FREE NMAP/FREE UDP ONLY NMAP/
15:50 ShadowNinja And it will only succeed with Minetest ports.
15:50 markveidemanis instead of if in use if word[0]
15:50 xyz ah, I see
15:51 ShadowNinja s/UDP/MINETEST/
15:51 xyz sfan5: what do you plan to do with UI?
15:51 sfan5 main menu ui?
15:51 sfan5 or ingame?
15:51 ShadowNinja (Unless something else has a very similar protocol)
15:52 sfan5 I will try to keep the main menu structure as much as possible
15:53 xyz sfan5: in game, of course
15:54 sfan5 dunno...
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15:54 sfan5 maybe a button for rightclick
15:55 xyz well, because that's the problem, not getting it to build and run
15:55 xyz not sure if redundancy is good in that case
15:55 sfan5 short touch -> punch, holding -> dig
15:55 xyz that's not going to work; what about right click to place blocks?
15:56 sfan5 hm
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15:56 VanessaE why not a mode switch?
15:56 sfan5 touch -> rightclick, hold -> dig, seperate button for punch
15:56 VanessaE a toggle button I mean
15:57 VanessaE just as you toggle a button to turn fly on/off
15:57 VanessaE maybe not..
15:57 sfan5 movement: a circle in which you can move a "ball" graphic by touching and holdin g and the offset to the circle middle
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15:58 sfan5 s/$/ is the movement direction and speed/
16:00 xyz hint: you can have a double click
16:00 xyz VanessaE: vim much?
16:00 VanessaE ?
16:00 xyz "a mode switch?"
16:00 VanessaE no, I meant a literal switch, as in a toggle switch
16:01 VanessaE like the light switch on the wall
16:01 VanessaE (though a press-on, press-off button makes more sense in a tablet gui, not that it's necessarily a good gameplay element in this particular case)
16:02 xyz I think it's an awful idea in either case
16:02 VanessaE (also, vi and is relatives suck ;) )
16:02 STHGOM K-lined?
16:02 ShadowNinja Doubletap punch seems good.
16:02 xyz ShadowNinja: unless you want to kill a mob
16:02 ShadowNinja STHGOM: Yep.  Possibly accidental.
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16:03 john_minetest why not: touch to punch, special button to jump
16:03 john_minetest ?
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16:04 VanessaE buildcraft currently has a "joystick" surrounded by a D-pad does it not?
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16:05 VanessaE I guess you drag the middle element to walk and turn, and use the dpad to step sideways and...idk, jump and descend?  if not, well, that's what I woulda done with it :)
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16:12 xyz guessing is no good in that case
16:12 xyz you should go on and play some games, i.e. Minecraft PE, survivalcraft, what else clones are there
16:14 xyz sfan5: what device are you testing this stuff on?
16:14 VanessaE I played with buildcraft briefly on my low-end tablet, only long enough to decide that even on a stripped-down low-end game like Nostalgia, it was too slow to be playable, and the controls were slow and clunky.
16:14 sfan5 xyz: Samsung Galaxy S4 mini
16:14 VanessaE I was going from memory and I don't have tablet immediately handy at the moment to re-check it
16:14 xyz buildcraft's controls are awful
16:14 VanessaE +the
16:15 xyz and I think you're supposed to use multiplayer
16:15 VanessaE I did (hence, Nostalgia... my server)
16:15 xyz sfan5: not bad
16:15 xyz have fun setting up ndk-gdb
16:16 xyz VanessaE: ah well; yeah, it lags a lot
16:16 sfan5 I don't need ndk-gdb
16:17 VanessaE lag wasn't much of a proble3.
16:17 sfan5 I can attach gdbserver if needed
16:17 VanessaE problem*
16:17 VanessaE just low fps.
16:17 xyz sfan5: that's what ndk-gdb does
16:17 VanessaE (like ~3-4 fps perhaps)
16:17 VanessaE my tablet probably just doesn't have a good enough GPU for the task
16:17 sfan5 doesn't it do something else too?
16:17 xyz VanessaE: yes, that's what I mean by "lag"
16:18 VanessaE xyz: you should be shot for misusing the word "lag" then ;)
16:18 xyz yeah sure time to be picky now
16:18 xyz sfan5: not sure; it can launch it, for example
16:19 xyz but basically in the end you just get gdb
16:19 xyz connected to gdbserver on your device
16:19 xyz I've replaced it with cgdb though
16:20 sfan5 argh! cmake won't put my linker flags at the end
16:21 xyz yeah well you see that's why I decided to use a documented solution
16:21 xyz because it just werks
16:22 phantombeta Hai
16:24 xyz feels a bit counter productive
16:25 VanessaE bbl
16:26 xyz well that's biased  since I'd of course prefer you to help me with code instead of you spending time setting up another build environment
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16:30 PilzAdam bye
16:31 * Jordach gets 20fps in buildcrap
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16:31 sfan5 yay! I tricked cmake
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16:35 sfan5 no.. I tricked cmake but it does not work+
16:35 sfan5 s/+//
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16:36 OWNSyouAll Hey if you select your bones when you die you can still take items from them once you respawn
16:36 OWNSyouAll this a bug?
16:36 kaeza no
16:37 OWNSyouAll ok i might have explained that poorly
16:38 OWNSyouAll I died and hit respawn selected my bones and then got respawned at spawn and was able to still take items from that bone chest miles away from where i respawned
16:38 OWNSyouAll that make more sense?
16:38 kaeza that is unrelated to bones
16:39 ShadowNinja That will also work with a nearby chest, and yes, it's a bug.
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17:28 NakedFury happy new year
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17:31 Jordach 17:31 by my clock :)
17:31 trauerlicht NakedFury: to whom?
17:32 NakedFury everyone in the in here
17:33 zash huh, it's 18:33, you silly
17:33 NakedFury happy pre-new year
17:33 Jordach zash, -1 for being middle european :P
17:33 Jordach we should all switch to UTC
17:33 Jordach or UTC Unix TIme
17:33 zash .BEAT, aaaawyeah
17:34 zash @750something or somesuch
17:34 * Jordach has been busy injecting sqlite3 into mineblend
17:34 Jordach and we got results!
17:35 zash @774 it says
17:38 * Jordach keeps nomming on mints
17:39 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/​experimental-minetest-world-loader/
17:39 Jordach john_minetest, ^
17:39 zash Jordach: niat
17:39 zash neat*
17:39 Jordach torches don't add point lights :(
17:40 Jordach (manually adding them actually showed up the insides - AO sucks like fuck. honest)
17:43 kaeza Jordach, are you building that manually or made some kind of SQLite→Blender converter?
17:43 Jordach kaeza, it builds it within blender
17:43 Jordach just takes it's time
17:44 Jordach i've left the models in there simply because i've just mapped things out
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17:45 kaeza I see
17:46 Jordach i also spent more time fixing the dogedamn materials
17:48 markveidemanis Make the bot PM everyone at New Year (AT their New year time)
17:48 markveidemanis Spam TIME, then MESSAGE
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18:21 Jordach \o/
18:22 Jordach my raytraced clouds look like the minetest ones :O
18:23 Jordach 1080p x 2 incoming >:D
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18:25 * Jordach might have gone photorealistic...
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18:36 Jordach john_minetest, rendering at 2K :d
18:39 john_minetest Jordach: My internet is so slow that it will take me hours to download :P
18:39 Jordach john_minetest, it's twice the size of 1080p :D
18:40 phantombeta Hai
18:41 Jordach o hai
18:41 phantombeta How's it going?
18:41 Jordach alwight
18:42 Jordach someone in blender just made a 19200x10800 image :P
18:44 Jordach john_minetest, i set light samples to 20 and at 2x1080p >:D
18:49 ShadowNinja Jordach: So you plan to finish this in 2014? ;-)
18:50 Jordach zing! :D
18:51 Jordach Scene, Part 400-2040
18:51 Jordach ^ that's how big it is :P
18:51 Jordach and it's taken 27 mins so far...
18:52 Jordach !c 2040/400
18:52 MinetestBot IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/calc.py", line 46, in c)
18:52 Jordach fail
18:53 ShadowNinja ~math calc 2040/400
18:53 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: 5.1
18:53 Jordach 137 mins according to my calculator
18:53 ShadowNinja ~math calc 2040/400*27
18:53 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: 137.7
18:54 Jordach i just removed the .7 for fun :P
18:54 Jordach except it accelerates when we get pure sky: because that's the most resource efficient part of the render
18:55 specing Anyway to see cursor pitch?
18:55 specing so I know I am aligned with some far away block (bridge building)
18:55 Jordach specing, F5
18:55 Jordach then look at yaw = x.xxx
18:55 specing yaw doesen't say anything about pitch
18:55 Jordach specing, yaw is the rotation
18:55 specing yes
18:56 specing I want up/down "rotation"
18:56 Jordach specing, no idea :P
18:56 specing "pitch"
18:56 * ShadowNinja just had a wacky idea for a mod
18:56 Jordach just use the up down co-ord
18:56 Jordach ShadowNinja, interested
18:56 specing Jordach: coordinates are useless since I don't know the coordinates of the far away block
18:57 ShadowNinja Set a position to go to and just walk forward, the mod keeps you pointing in the right direction.
18:57 john_minetest Pitch and yaw...n
18:58 Jordach ShadowNinja, what if i was standing on those co-ords i placed
18:58 Jordach then tried to walk forward
18:59 specing ShadowNinja: need client side modding for that
19:03 ShadowNinja Jordach: You would spin in circles I guess.
19:03 ShadowNinja (Or it would disable itself automatically)
19:04 ShadowNinja specing: Nope, player:set_look_yaw(), although it would lag.
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19:24 RealBadAngel ShadowNinja, try it, its almost working: http://www.sendspace.pl/fi​le/e107d75497de60a4f4c883e
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19:25 RealBadAngel the point you will see is (0,0,0)
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19:50 specing ShadowNinja: you need client side modding for that because it would be stupid to do it on the server
20:02 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Fix exception caused by destroying sockets on Server shutdown 25b1cca415 2013-12-31T12:00:49-08:00 http://git.io/rgUsrg
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20:40 Jordach still waiting on blender :<
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21:00 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_me​dia/media_entries/489/Jordach.png
21:00 Jordach john_minetest, 2K ^
21:01 john_minetest awesome
21:02 Jordach there's so much zoom zoom zoom!
21:03 Jordach john_minetest, look at the clouds.
21:03 Jordach they look really familiar :)
21:07 Calinou happy new year in advance :>
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21:33 xyz that's cool
21:34 xyz now if only you could not leave 30 seconds after making a statement
21:39 john_minetest Jordach: Can you make another (1600x900) render with minetest default textures?
21:41 Jordach you mean you have a shitty monitor
21:42 john_minetest Yep. And I don't want to tell you to render for another 2 hours just because you want it 2k
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21:43 xyz why 2k? you should do 4k
21:43 Jordach xyz, stills do not need more than 2k
21:44 xyz well there are 4k monitors already
21:44 xyz and it's going to be the next thing, not 2k
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22:14 TUB_ can someone help me understand what pin is for the luacontroller
22:28 VargaD_ here only 32 mins left till new year
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22:42 TUB_ can someone help me understand what pin is for the luacontroller
22:42 TUB_ ?
22:43 Jordach the pin is each side
22:43 EvergreenTree or output
22:43 Jordach you know the microcontroller, with the A,B,C,D ports? those are the pins
22:43 EvergreenTree marked by A,B,C,D
22:43 sfan5| 'pin' is the input and 'port' is the output
22:43 TUB_ tohh
22:44 TUB_ but what are the differnce between ports and pins
22:44 TUB_ im totally clueless
22:44 TUB_ i only know basic java
22:45 Jordach well there's your problem :P
22:45 TUB_ so what do pins do?
22:45 Jordach <sfan5|> 'pin' is the input and 'port' is the output
22:46 Jordach using luacontrollers and digilines, i send a message along B (from the first, to the second) and then that second one waits for the message on pin.a and then does it's functions
22:47 Jordach think each face as I/O
22:47 Jordach you can transmit and recieve on both
22:47 TUB_ ahh
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22:48 Jordach eg, if i send; asdf to pin.a and pin.a wants hjkl, hjkl must be sent from the other luacontroller
22:49 sfan5| Jordach: port is output
22:49 Jordach sfan5|, feck it
22:49 sfan5| like this: port.a = 1
22:51 TUB_ what is event.iid
22:52 sfan5| Isn't there a documentation?
22:52 TUB_ not sure
22:53 Jordach check mesecons.net
22:54 TUB_ thanks
22:54 TUB_ Ima read it
22:54 TUB_ <----horrible coder
22:54 sfan5| TUB_: http://mesecons.net/luacontroller/
22:54 TUB_ thanks
22:58 Peacock dont you just hate it when you go and take a wicked slash and the cat steals your chair ?
22:59 TUB_ what if i make pin b false?
23:00 sfan5| Nothing happens
23:02 john_minetest HAPPY NEW YEAR!
23:03 Peacock in what country?
23:06 Peacock i woke up to fireworks in sydney (on YT lol)
23:12 xyz ^ all those people from the past
23:12 Peacock still got six hours to go here lol
23:14 xyz meanwhile https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=123802#p123802
23:14 Peacock wtf ll
23:14 Peacock *lol
23:14 Peacock did he post his password?
23:15 xyz it's easy enough to check
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23:15 Jordach xyz, want me to move it
23:16 xyz dunno
23:19 TUB_ how come nothing happens if i make pin b true but when i make port b true, the mesecon lights up..?
23:21 ShadowNinja TUB_: Pin is input, port is output.
23:22 ShadowNinja (Yes, they could be combined)
23:22 TUB_ ahhh
23:22 TUB_ can you give me the usiest simplest common use of pins?
23:23 TUB_ *easist
23:23 Jordach ShadowNinja, i was thinking that
23:23 Jordach because my MineMIDI has a lot of that
23:23 ShadowNinja Well, connecting a and b like a regular wire: port.b = pin.a port.a = pin.b
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23:24 Jordach and does a lot of pin / port I/O
23:24 TUB_ ahhhh
23:24 ShadowNinja (That might have issues actually, but you get the idea)
23:24 TUB_ does port a = pin a by default?
23:25 rubenwardy 36 minutes? (gmt)
23:25 rubenwardy *!
23:36 Peacock 5.5 hours left (can we rig shadowbot to do the countdown for every timezone? :P)
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23:44 ShadowNinja Yes, but that would be floody and would be going for a long time.
23:45 Peacock true, maybe anounce once every hour for each timezone lol but at this point it's halfway too late now
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23:51 rubenwardy T = -9mins
23:53 Jordach 7
23:53 * Jordach hears fireworks
23:54 VargaD_ 6
23:55 xyz how does it feel not being part of the glorious future?
23:55 Peacock well they'll still have a queen after NE :P
23:55 Peacock *NY
23:55 Peacock (new year's)
23:55 Jordach you took our queen as monarch
23:55 Jordach so stop bitching :D
23:56 Peacock well only the english portion of the country :P
23:56 Jordach and you're in it (?)
23:56 Peacock Quebec is the french portion :P
23:57 Jordach ShadowNinja, i've got this awesome format for something called MineMIDI, i'll PM you the details
23:57 Peacock we dont need a queen thousands of miles away, we have thousands of queens in both major cities lol
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