Time  Nick             Message
00:23 OWNSyouAll       anyone know who owns setun.net?
00:29 specing          OWNSyouAll: proller does
00:29 PilzAdam         is it "duged" or "dugged" or something else?
00:33 specing          oxford advanced learner's dictionary includes neither
00:40 thexyz           it
00:40 thexyz           it's dug
00:41 thexyz           english is hard
00:41 PilzAdam         its digged, apparently
00:41 zash             dugginated
00:41 EvergreenTree    PilzAdam, it depends on the usage
00:41 thexyz           oh well
00:41 EvergreenTree    it's either dug or digged
00:41 thexyz           arguing with a guy who writes "Ive" and "dont"
00:42 EvergreenTree    And honestly, I can rarely tell the difference
00:42 EvergreenTree    and I'm american
00:43 Peacock          i'm the last of the Mohicans
00:43 thexyz           wiktionary says "digged" is arhaic
00:44 EvergreenTree    I believe it's just "dug"
00:44 EvergreenTree    digged doesn't sound quite right
00:44 PilzAdam         I want to say: "The player has **** 15 nodes"
00:44 Peacock          dug
00:45 EvergreenTree    ^
00:45 thexyz           I love dugginated; I think we should use it
00:45 Peacock          diggedy </flanders>
00:45 EvergreenTree    it's stupid, but it's hilarious
00:46 PilzAdam         but "Digged nodes: #" sounds better than "Dug nodes: #"
00:47 zash             Dug.
00:47 zash             "mined" might work too
00:47 thexyz           shouldn't it be "nodes dug" though
00:47 EvergreenTree    zash, perfect
00:48 PilzAdam         I go with mined now
00:48 PilzAdam         +""
00:48 Peacock          http://en.bab.la/conjugation/english/dig
00:48 thexyz           no dugginated here, must be invalid
00:49 thexyz           google only finds one result, must be broken
00:49 zash             thexyz: let me just edit wiktionary then ... ;)
01:27 VanessaE         sapier: *poke*
01:36 PilzAdam         VanessaE, *poke*
01:36 PilzAdam         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=123484#p123484
01:36 VanessaE         needs moved?
01:37 PilzAdam         yes
01:37 VanessaE         missing version number :)
01:37 PilzAdam         also needs to be added to your server
01:37 PilzAdam         eh, its on github
01:38 VanessaE         moved.
01:38 VanessaE         remind me later about adding it to the servers.  sounds useful.  kinda preoccupied at the moment
01:39 specing          PilzAdam: excavated ;P
01:40 specing          btw, I made it a mission to completey and sistematically extract all the ore from one floating island
01:40 specing          the one i found 11 MESE BLOCKS! ON
01:40 specing          found over 30 mese crystals so far
01:45 AngJinhang       Hi everyone. Do anyone here have an idea on how much bandwidth I need to play minetest smootthly?
01:48 specing          ALL ZE BANDWIDTH
01:48 PilzAdam         AngJinhang, nothing if you play singleplayer
01:48 specing          AngJinhang: move into a datacenter at the earliest opportunity
01:48 PilzAdam         for a client, it usually doesnt go higher than 20 KiB/s, but for downloading media (at first connect to a server only), you may want more
01:49 AngJinhang       Yeah, but why I get many lags on map loading in game?
01:49 PilzAdam         in singleplayer?
01:49 AngJinhang       Mine can go up to 64 kb/s
01:49 AngJinhang       Multiplayer
01:50 AngJinhang       Or this is a server side problem?
01:50 PilzAdam         maybe the server connection is not good
01:51 AngJinhang       Maybe. I tried different servers and the results seem to vary
01:51 AngJinhang       And strangely some servers doesn't give me the interact priv
01:52 PilzAdam         many servers do that to prevent griefing
01:53 AngJinhang       But without that priv I can't do a thing. Or the priv vary from place to place?
01:54 PilzAdam         you have to ask for the priv first
01:54 AngJinhang       Any server commands or I have to PM the admin or moderator?
02:49 PilzAdam         bye
08:34 reactor          EHLO
08:35 reactor          What kind of gameplay is vanilla MT most ready for?
08:35 reactor          I get it, there aren't any crafting recipes shipped by default&
08:35 reactor          s/&$/?/
08:50 crissc           Hi there !
08:55 pitriss          crissc: hi
08:56 crissc           I have a question about mese block, I can do nothing with !
08:56 crissc           can someone help ?
08:57 crissc           playing minetest-c55 0.4.3
08:57 pitriss          crissc: In which game?
08:57 VanessaE         0.4.3 is badly outdated
08:58 VanessaE         please update to 0.4.8
08:58 pitriss          heh i started when 0.4.7 came out, so I can't answer..:D
09:01 crissc           looking to update
09:01 crissc           but till now, the latest version in my package manager is that one !
09:06 VanessaE         crissc: don't use the one in your package manager.
09:06 VanessaE         build it from sources instead, or use the daily-builds or stable releases PPA
09:06 Hirato_          but I do, though I kind of built the packages I've installed myself <_<
09:07 VanessaE         Hirato_: well..that's kinda different :P
09:07 crissc           I'd like to, but where to find an update rpm package for minetest ?
09:07 VanessaE         crissc: erm.  good question.  better you should grab the sources and build it.
09:07 VanessaE         https://github.com/minetest/minetest
09:07 crissc           and the sources ?
09:08 crissc           ah ok :)
09:08 crissc           thanks, I'll try it right now
09:08 VanessaE         good uck
09:08 VanessaE         luck*
09:08 VanessaE         (I've not done any building on an a redhat-based system in a loooooooooong time)
09:57 sfan5            hi everyone
09:58 LazyJ            Howdy
09:59 VanessaE         hey sfan
10:00 VanessaE         sfan5: any chance I could get you or Uberi or someone to add a "fix all owners" command to worldedit? :)
10:00 sfan5            VanessaE: do you have a pull ready?
10:00 VanessaE         nope :P
10:01 VanessaE         I don't know how locked objects work :-/
10:01 LazyJ            What would "fix all owners" do?
10:02 thexyz           fix all owners, obviously
10:02 * LazyJ          tries WorldEdit on his cat. Ooops... she's already been "fixed".
10:02 VanessaE         LazyJ: reset the ownership of all locked objects in the selected area to the username implied by the supplied parameter. Something like  //fixowners <userid>
10:03 LazyJ            Are you having issues with co-owners getting mixed-up over time?
10:04 VanessaE         LazyJ: no, think more like if a user wants to change their username (or it has to change, e.g. account cleanups on a server).
10:04 thexyz           why are there two slashes, by the way?
10:04 VanessaE         there's no way to reset the ownership of e.g. a steel door or locked chest.
10:05 LazyJ            thexyz: 2 slashes out of habit of typing them.
10:05 LazyJ            At least for those of us who use WE a lot.
10:06 LazyJ            VanessaE, mHmm.... we have a few situations like that on our server too.
10:06 Issa2013         hello
10:06 Issa2013         VanessaE, hello
10:06 VanessaE         hi Issa
10:06 LazyJ            Howdy
10:07 Issa2013         please game me a last release of u game for minetest
10:07 VanessaE         sure,
10:07 LazyJ            I've noticed the //clearobjects of WE doesn't always work.
10:07 VanessaE         http://minetest.digitalaudioconcepts.com/VanessaE_Game.tar.bz2
10:07 VanessaE         one of these days I need to properly "publish" that game.
10:08 VanessaE         LazyJ: I've only used it a couple of times but I haven't had trouble with that command yet.  glad it exists, in fact
10:08 LazyJ            We had a bout of dropped glowlights. WE's clearobjects would clean up few, then leave the rest.
10:08 VanessaE         that one was sorely needed
10:08 LazyJ            ^^
10:08 VanessaE         weird
10:09 LazyJ            Kitchen-testing from the front-lines. ;)
10:38 Issa2013         VanessaE, thanks
10:38 Issa2013         why u don't use github ?
10:39 Hirato_          because the insulted the spinach farmers!
10:39 Hirato_          or something :P
10:39 VanessaE         for the game?
10:39 VanessaE         I just never thought to
10:39 VanessaE         at some point maybe I will
10:46 Hirato_          VanessaE: which mapgen do you suggest for your game?
10:48 VanessaE         I use mgv6, but it should work with any
10:49 Hirato_          great
10:49 Hirato_          cute, little rock models :o
10:50 Hirato_          but why do I need a pick to pick up a pebble :P
10:50 VanessaE         ?
10:50 Hirato_          it wouldn't let me pick up the pebble until I grabbed a wooden pick from a nearby chest
10:52 VanessaE         in my game?
10:53 VanessaE         interesting
10:53 Hirato_          yeah
10:53 VanessaE         maybe because they're still stone
10:53 VanessaE         have to bug Mossmannikin about that then
10:53 VanessaE         I forget if they drop cobblestone or what they become
10:53 Hirato_          it adds a "pebble" into my inventory
10:54 Hirato_          am I supposed to get things like YoungTree2Bottom from punchign certain trees?
10:59 Hirato_          "Forest Soil 4", weird
11:01 VanessaE         yes, those are all parts of the undergrowth modpack
11:02 VanessaE         it's still a work in progress :)
11:02 Hirato_          I'd expect them to turn into wood, and sticks, and dirt :P
11:02 VanessaE         lemme post an excerpt from this chat to the appropriate topic.
11:04 Hirato_          ahaha, floating moss, thanks to infinite liquid
11:04 Hirato_          er.. finite
11:04 VanessaE         haha
11:04 VanessaE         can't do anything about that I guess
11:04 reactor          Well, pwned.
11:05 Hirato_          found a cave, it's mostly devoid of plants, except there are bushes growing on the ores, only the ores :o
11:05 reactor          Cave who? Johnson?
11:06 Hirato_          https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23891252/screenshot_1127135654.jpg
11:07 Hirato           y'see?
11:08 VanessaE         Hirato:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=123545#p123545
11:09 Hirato           <3
11:11 Hirato           might want to show him the above screenshot too
11:11 Hirato           assuming that's his fault :P
11:11 VanessaE         too dark to see :P
11:12 Hirato           what's there to see, there's no plants, except directly above the ores :p
11:12 Hirato           they stand out enough
11:13 Hirato           minegeld? lol
11:13 VanessaE         a form of currency, from Dan Duncombe's currency and shops mod
11:13 Hirato           sounds like a mix of english and dutch
11:14 VanessaE         actually it's Germanic
11:14 VanessaE         so yeah
11:14 Hirato           MEINE GELD
11:14 VanessaE         we kinda hemmed and hawed over it for a bit.  wanted something that evoked "money" but sounded suitably foreign
11:15 VanessaE         Hirato: as for those plants, actually they're supposed to grow near ores.
11:16 VanessaE         but they're not supposed to be *just* near ores...
11:16 Hirato           but on them?
11:16 VanessaE         in fact they grow all over the damn place on my maps :)  but only on dirt/grass
11:16 VanessaE         I don't recall seeing them on stone/iron before
11:18 Hirato           I certainly don't object to finding resources under trees
11:18 Hirato           just not like that, haha
11:18 VanessaE         heh
11:20 Hirato           lol, I somehow reached 0 hearts, but i'm still alive!
11:20 Hirato           oh.. it was just laggy, nevermind
11:20 Hirato           whoa, cool, I can climb vines like they're ladders :o
11:21 reactor          So, what set of mods is essential for survival gameplay?
11:23 reactor          Hello everybrony.
11:23 VanessaE         hey john
11:23 proller          Hirato, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/922
11:23 Hirato           proller: I saw you committed a patch to freeminer :)
11:23 proller          no
11:23 Hirato           oh no, not my issue :(
11:24 Hirato           darm :(
11:24 proller          its hard to fix
11:25 proller          need something like ignore user movements in second after die
11:25 Hirato           looking at the bug, that's not what I was observing; it simply took very long to register me as dead :p
11:25 proller          very long - already fixed in fm
11:25 proller          0.5s max now
11:26 Hirato           I played around in that enet branch fora while, it would abort when I died, complaining about me accessing things I Shouldn't be able to :p
11:27 proller          its bad client-server protocol
11:27 proller          enet is only transport improvement
11:28 Issa2013         VanessaE, where is TNT ? and monsters to fight them wiht armur ?
11:28 Issa2013         dragon ?
11:28 VanessaE         Issa2013: removed from that game.  TNT is laggy and too destructive.  that's the sort of thing that belongs in a server's/world's worldmods folder.
11:29 VanessaE         ditto for monsters/mobs
11:29 VanessaE         and armor, well, never saw a need for it.
11:29 VanessaE         the game was originally built for my creative server
11:30 Hirato           proller: how does the protocol redesign?
11:30 FreeFull         Should I try freeminer out? Are there any servers for it?
11:30 proller          http://servers.freeminer.org/ 8)
11:31 proller          all servers with -free in version
11:31 VanessaE         I've added and removed a few things here and there over the past months to make it work for both creative and survival modes, and supplemented via worldmods as needed on each of my servers to tailor it to those servers' individual requirements
11:31 VanessaE         for example,
11:31 VanessaE         http://minetest.digitalaudioconcepts.com/worldmods.tar.bz2
11:31 Issa2013         VanessaE, so what the goal if u have no monsters to fight ?
11:31 VanessaE         VE-Survival's worldmods ^^^^^^ minus the IRC mods.
11:32 VanessaE         Issa2013: monsters/mobs are laggy as hell.
11:32 Issa2013         Im trying to convert a minecraft player
11:32 proller          Hirato, need to make dead messages with confirmation from client
11:32 Issa2013         ok
11:32 VanessaE         you can always add them to your local game by just dropping them in your mods folder.
11:32 Hirato           Issa2013: obviously to build the most awesome pimp mobile ever made
11:32 proller          S:you dead   C: okay C: reapawn
11:32 proller          if server recieve respawn without okay - send one more dead
11:33 proller          now bul look like:   C:pos C:pos C:pos C:pos S: dead C:pos C:pos C:respawn
11:34 proller          server gets last pos before respawn
11:34 Issa2013         texture missing --> http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/display.php?image=e-52c159f6a0f632.62642384.jpg
11:34 VanessaE         Issa2013: nope.avi
11:34 VanessaE         your texture pack doesn't support that mod
11:34 VanessaE         (looks like Sphax or Minetoon?)
11:36 Hirato           lol
11:38 Issa2013         VanessaE, dbcraft
11:38 Issa2013         i like it but missing many texture :/
11:38 Hirato           why would resolution mismatches do that
11:39 VanessaE         Issa2013: Yeah.  Everyone calls BDCraft "Sphax".
11:42 proller          FreeFull, now 2 top servers on freeminer ;)
11:42 proller          also somewhere on Sky you have house
11:42 FreeFull         I have a house at sea level, yeah
11:43 FreeFull         It got raided long ago
11:43 FreeFull         I even built a very long staircase through a mountain
11:43 FreeFull         And a tree farm
11:44 Issa2013         well so what complete texture pack i can use for a better look
11:44 Issa2013         because the defaut text pack really bad
11:44 Issa2013         please$
11:44 markveidemanis   Hi
11:47 VanessaE         Issa2013: HDX is more complete than pretty much any other, and I have a set of textures that are just waiting here for me to add them, for support for the undergrowth modpack also
11:47 VanessaE         (partial support anyway)
11:49 VanessaE         but I guess some people don't like the photorealistic style
11:49 Hirato           by the wya, have you guys considered rendering far away blocks at a lower framerate?
11:49 VanessaE         your next best bet is probably calinou's port of Misa's pack
11:49 VanessaE         it's pretty good
11:53 Issa2013         VanessaE, screen crafting problem --> http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/display.php?image=e-52c15e91309f72.54824113.jpg
11:55 VanessaE         Issa2013: the imagery sphax bdcraft uses for unified inventory is outdated
11:55 VanessaE         just delete the ui_* imaged in your texture pack
11:55 VanessaE         they're broken.
11:55 VargaD           I made some improvements to my (currently) not that useful script, at least it is a nice graph: http://althea.no-ip.info/minetest_recipes.png
11:56 VanessaE         the format/layout has changed and BDcraft hasn't been updated to accommodate those changes.
11:56 VanessaE         I think the pattern is ui_* anyway
11:56 VanessaE         yep, it is.
11:57 VanessaE         Issa2013: or at least:
11:59 VanessaE         http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6662278/
11:59 VanessaE         get rid of those
12:00 VanessaE         and the inventory will at least line up, even if the style does not match
12:00 VanessaE         to make the style match, you'll need to contact the author of the texture pack
12:07 markveidemanis   ~lastseen Rhy5
12:09 VanessaE         markveidemanis: a week or so ago on my server.
12:09 markveidemanis   Any more recent?
12:09 markveidemanis   i sentt him a PM in the forums...
12:10 VanessaE         not that I recall seeing
12:10 VanessaE         he's been kinda scarce lately.
12:26 Issa2013         VanessaE, if i use u HDX texture pack will resolved the problem ?
12:27 VanessaE         for the unified inventory?
12:32 Issa2013         oui
12:32 VanessaE         yeah
12:33 reactor          ?!
12:33 reactor          VanessaE: o/
12:33 VanessaE         it has basic background imagery and such, but I didn't do anything for the icons and the like, didn't think they needed done
12:40 Hirato           !seen Rhy5
12:40 MinetestBot      Hirato: rhy5 was last seen at 2013-12-25 19:35:01 UTC on #minetest
12:53 MinetestBot      john_minetest: zeg9 was last seen at 2013-11-07 20:50:14 UTC on #minetest
13:55 Issa2013         hello VanessaE i m using u texture pack http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-52c17b05d0af88.24584864.jpg
13:55 VanessaE         you like? :)
13:55 Hirato           looks pretty cosmic
13:56 reactor          Why can't I access creative inventory?
13:56 VanessaE         you're probably in survival mode :P
13:56 Hirato           is it just my imagination, or is unified inventory significantly slower/laggier than the vanilla one?
13:57 reactor          VanessaE: hmm.
13:57 reactor          But how.
13:57 reactor          The server is creative.
13:57 Hirato           that stuff on the right IS the creative inventory in creative mode :p
13:57 VanessaE         Hirato: laggier, but only because it renders more items per page
13:57 proller          Hirato, slower an buggyer
13:58 VanessaE         Hirato: it renders I think 80 per page versus about ...what, 24 in the default one?
13:58 Hirato           I mean like displaying the crafting window and what I'm crafting
13:58 VanessaE         proller: buggier how?
13:58 proller          it strange
13:59 VanessaE         define "strange"
13:59 VanessaE         once you get used to it, you begin to wonder how the hell you ever got by with the default inventory :)
14:00 proller          default useless..
14:00 proller          but fast
14:00 VanessaE         true on both counts
14:00 VanessaE         and irritating as all fuck
14:01 reactor          Maybe you should display block names instead of pictures?
14:01 reactor          That'll be useful and fast.
14:01 reactor          By the way, I can't wait till block name completion is implemented in the console.
14:01 VanessaE         UI lets you search by partial block name
14:02 reactor          but you can't search it when you type //set
14:02 reactor          or something
14:02 VanessaE         //set I think can use a block's description also
14:02 VanessaE         that was changed recently to allow multiple ways to specify a nod
14:02 VanessaE         node*
14:03 reactor          hmm
14:03 reactor          last time I tried, it would only do the first match, not always right
14:32 thexyz           > yfw top3 servers all run fm
14:33 Jordach          s/yfm/mfw
14:48 markveidemanis   netsplit...
15:19 * Jordach        is loading a monster 111mb .obj file containing Minetest World Data
15:20 Jordach          some python magic
15:20 Jordach          no
15:20 Jordach          it's buggy as fuck
15:21 Jordach          and i'm unsure if blender stableises
15:22 thexyz           do people actually watch ponies? or is that just a funny meme?
15:23 Jordach          blender died
15:27 Jordach          HOLY SHIT
15:27 Jordach          1,000,000 TRIANGLES.
15:34 kaeza            afternoons
15:36 Jordach          it managed to take my irc too :)
15:37 thexyz           is there a mod to automatically remove items after some time?
15:37 specing          thexyz: yes
15:37 specing          thexyz: builtin_item does it
15:39 thexyz           shit but it redefines __builtin:item
15:40 ShadowNinja      cy's fork of item_drop. ,,(github cyisfor/item_drop)
15:40 ShadowBot        https://github.com/cyisfor/item_drop
15:41 thexyz           but there's so much bloat
15:41 Jordach          and yet you add shit into freeminer
15:42 thexyz           this shit makes yo game lighting fast
15:42 thexyz           s/lighting/lightning/
15:42 Jordach          i call blender with a million verts fast
15:43 thexyz           i don't care
15:47 Peacock          i have some shit somewhere that restores autopickup from before
15:51 thexyz           shit's got to 4000 objects
15:51 thexyz           the day before
15:51 thexyz           so it was impossible to play
15:53 Jordach          http://i.imgur.com/v9eesmJ.png
15:53 Jordach          fucking monster :D
15:53 Hirato           so will you be texturing it?
15:53 Jordach          yes
15:54 Jordach          except it isn't like my own method
15:54 Hirato           and do a high quality render with shadows and ambient lighting? :o
15:54 Jordach          oh yes
15:54 Hirato           :D
15:54 * Hirato         wonders if the faces are merged
15:57 markveidemanis   Jordach: Could i have the blend file?
15:57 Jordach          no
15:57 Jordach          UV is HORRIBLY BORKED
15:59 Jordach          http://i.imgur.com/ZbWsgQf.jpg
15:59 Jordach          GG
15:59 Jordach          (evergreen built my house as mine often suck!)
16:00 Jordach          (it only looks like shit as UV garbled.)
16:01 Jordach          nope - fuck this
16:01 Jordach          re-exporting time
16:04 PilzAdam         Hello everyone!
16:04 markveidemanis   http://s28.postimg.org/k6shnfr59/xcfh.png
16:05 PilzAdam         why wont anyone halp me?! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8108
16:07 * Jordach        halps PilzAdam with an Ammo Box
16:07 specing          PilzAdam: ...why?
16:08 specing          hows it much different from the default game?
16:08 specing          I don't see the point of it
16:09 markveidemanis   Wheres a decent blender tutorial?
16:09 markveidemanis   Not gimp
16:09 markveidemanis   lol i wish i could do that in gimp
16:09 PilzAdam         specing, the point of what?
16:09 thexyz           because you don't use apostrophes
16:09 PilzAdam         I just ask for help with textures
16:09 thexyz           that's why people don't help you
16:09 PilzAdam         its not about the game at all
16:10 specing          PilzAdam: your mod
16:10 PilzAdam         what?
16:10 thexyz           I leave for a moment and there're >60 players online
16:10 thexyz           it's popular, you all should be happy right now
16:12 markveidemanis   gimp...
16:12 thexyz           crazy skills
16:12 markveidemanis   I wanna know how that cup doesnt fall
16:13 thexyz           sfan5: playerlist doesn't fit full hd screen now plz fix
16:14 thexyz           only happens when over 50 players or so
16:15 Jordach          fail :)
16:17 Jordach          EvergreenTree, o/
16:17 thexyz           http://i.imgur.com/6RexjfR.png
16:17 EvergreenTree    o/
16:18 Hirato           clearly boys
16:19 Hirato           **bots
16:19 Hirato           also: DEM BONES
16:21 thexyz           KEEP BELIEVING WHATEVER YOU WANT
16:21 thexyz           john_minetest: it doesn't lag
16:24 thexyz           it doesn't lag as bad as other servers do
16:25 Peacock          lol hirato... boys XD
16:26 * kaeza          puts a mese nuke on john_minetest's head
16:26 thexyz           john_minetest: indeed
16:26 * ShadowNinja    sets the range to 128. >:-)
16:26 thexyz           but as PilzAdam told me no lag is impossible
16:27 Hirato           I can't help but think that server background processing is a bigger bottleneck than the netcode :P
16:29 thexyz           it is
16:29 thexyz           the quality of the community has decreased since we've got an android port, alot
16:29 thexyz           stupid bot didn't even try
16:30 thexyz           Hirato: well it's (almost) single threaded and any lua action locks the connection thread, what could go wrong
16:31 thexyz           mapgen locks everything too
16:31 thexyz           and well basically anything locks everything
16:31 thexyz           this is called The Envlock
16:32 Peacock          http://fr.topic-topos.com/image-bd/france/56/ecluses-neulliac.jpg
16:34 Peacock          wow those waving leaves reminds me magic mushrooms, that takes me back lol
16:34 Peacock          *me of
16:36 Peacock          deer lord, there are still weird shadows in 048 http://s13.postimg.org/3lqe5yfk7/screenshot_1146877058.png
16:36 ShadowNinja      thexyz: Not when MTB's around.
16:36 thexyz           ah
16:36 thexyz           that's stupid
16:37 thexyz           you should do something about it
16:37 Calinou          hi
16:37 PilzAdam         I should add the deer lord to simple mobs
16:37 Peacock          http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Our+Deer+Lord.+Source+Imgur_47be85_4743419.jpg
16:38 Peacock          or http://thumbitt.com/gallery/579/1579/9af54747dd336ba7f32861c035622a38.jpg   ?
16:39 sfan5            thexyz: I'm pretty sure you can scroll it using your mouse
16:49 Issa2013         VanessaE, http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-52c1a4222687e3.29342706.jpg
16:49 Issa2013         do u think is missing tecture :??
16:50 VanessaE         unsupported.
16:50 PilzAdam         VanessaE, do you have the stats mod installed?
16:50 VanessaE         HDX doesn't have *everything* out there after all :)
16:50 VanessaE         PilzAdam: not yet.
16:51 Calinou          yay for Freeminer having colored text!
16:53 VanessaE         Issa2013: I think that's funcus grass or something like that?
17:06 Issa2013         VanessaE, I M using uyour game and your texture dh pack
17:06 Issa2013         ?
17:07 VanessaE         Issa2013: HDX supports most of my game, but not all of it
17:07 VanessaE         work in progress, etc.
17:09 thexyz           sfan5: nope doesn't work
17:18 markveidemanis   http://pastie.org/pastes/3075 ?
17:18 markveidemanis   html code..
17:38 artur99          !seen oldcoder
17:38 MinetestBot      artur99: oldcoder was last seen at 2013-12-30 04:06:19 UTC on ##minetestbot
17:41 ShadowNinja      ~seen OldCoder
17:41 ShadowBot        ShadowNinja: I saw OldCoder 2 days, 2 hours, 33 minutes, and 56 seconds ago saying "reactor, thanks for the inquiry. I am in the process of moving IRL.".
17:41 ShadowNinja      Maybe I should remove the channel restriction.
17:44 VargaD           !seen sapier
17:44 MinetestBot      VargaD: sapier was last seen at 2013-12-30 02:03:48 UTC on #minetest
17:44 VargaD           nice bot :)
17:49 Evolykane        john_minetest: afk?
17:54 markveidemanis   ShadowNinja, Has the bot blocked me?
17:55 markveidemanis   And what happened to Random Blender Renders
17:56 ShadowNinja      markveidemanis: No, it ignores everyone but me when MTB is around.
17:56 markveidemanis   cool
17:56 markveidemanis   MinetestBotOwner, Has the bot blocked me?
17:57 MinetestBot      GIT: Novatux commited to minetest/minetest: Revert "Fix minetest.facedir_to_dir when param2 is 5 or 7." 8e1d78e9de 2013-12-30T09:45:34-08:00 http://git.io/rfDYJg
17:57 ShadowNinja      markveidemanis: Yes, MinetestBot ignores you.
17:57 markveidemanis   WHy?
17:57 ShadowNinja      I guess you abused it.
17:59 markveidemanis   I did not
17:59 thexyz           well then it hates you
18:00 markveidemanis   MinetestBot: FUCKING HI!
18:00 markveidemanis   ...
18:00 markveidemanis   *Waits for kick*
18:01 markveidemanis   *Increased chances*
18:02 Jordach          ding dong
18:02 Jordach          nah, just fucking with ya
18:02 * markveidemanis is relieved
18:03 markveidemanis   Why do i always get the red nameplate in hexchat?
18:03 Jordach          but you will if you keep talking
18:04 rubenwardy       Hi all
18:04 rubenwardy       Red nameplate is "me"
18:05 proller          81 player!
18:05 rubenwardy       Your name is gold to me, if that is what you mean
18:05 markveidemanis   There is no Nameplate color transmission, just a paranoid rant
18:05 markveidemanis   81 player?
18:05 PilzAdam         81 player¡
18:05 markveidemanis   *82
18:06 proller          on  one freeminer sever
18:06 rubenwardy       Wow
18:06 proller          also 4/5 top servers is on fm
18:06 markveidemanis   I feel so special...
18:07 PilzAdam         proller, I heard FM plans to get a incompatible protocol rewrite
18:07 PilzAdam         will you still announce the servers to the Minetest serverlist then?
18:07 markveidemanis   29 guests
18:07 VanessaE         bbl
18:07 thexyz           no, we don't have plans to tease you guys
18:08 thexyz           also it won't work anyway
18:08 proller          PilzAdam, because NOW it fully compatible?
18:09 proller          242 players total - new record
18:10 markveidemanis   Whats the specs?
18:11 thexyz           much specs
18:11 thexyz           very wow
18:11 proller          http://minetest.setun.net/map.road/map-road.png who can reach END? ;)
18:12 markveidemanis   WHats that mapper?
18:12 proller          4/4 top on FM ;)
18:13 Peacock          what about on the AM band?
18:13 markveidemanis   79 players
18:13 markveidemanis   thats 7.9MB/sec required
18:14 thexyz           how did you calculate it?
18:14 Peacock          79/10
18:15 Peacock          or 79 * 0.1 :P
18:16 markveidemanis   100kb/sec per player
18:17 markveidemanis   saw somewhere
18:17 thexyz           I don't think it's 100 kb/s per player
18:17 markveidemanis   idk, saw it some time ago
18:17 markveidemanis   active player
18:17 thexyz           anyway this server has a 1 gbps connection
18:18 markveidemanis   What's your FPS with all shaders enabled?
18:18 markveidemanis   ...
18:18 markveidemanis   I got 3
18:18 markveidemanis   MBps
18:19 proller          1-10 kbps per player
18:19 markveidemanis   Colourful sky
18:35 Issa_            hello
18:38 Issa_            hello
18:38 Issa_            do u know my laaaaag
18:38 Issa_            it"s horrible
18:38 Peacock          yes, this is laaaag
18:38 Issa_            how i can found what is wrong ?
18:39 Issa_            can have command to show fps ?
18:41 Issa_            i show this and it's really laaaag   -> http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-52c1be5b361f57.13393209.jpg
18:45 ShadowNinja      Issa_: The FPS is in one of the F6 panes.
18:46 Issa_            ShadowNinja, ok i have 17 fps :/
18:46 PilzAdam         ShadowNinja, its also in F5
18:46 ShadowNinja      PilzAdam: Noted.
18:46 proller          lag != fps
18:46 PilzAdam         everyone tells people to use f6, but its way better to use f5
18:47 ShadowNinja      Issa_: Minetest needs some optimization, particularly in mesh generation.
18:47 PilzAdam         Issa_, turn off fancy_leaves
18:47 proller          Minetest needs HUGE optimization
18:47 Issa_            ShadowNinja, optimisation ? evrything is a cube ?
18:47 Issa_            he need a complete rexriting
18:48 VargaD           proller: minetest still much faster then minecraft :)
18:48 ShadowNinja      Issa_: Yes, the cubes have to be combined into 16x16x16 meshes before they are sent to the GPU.
18:59 Issa_            ok
18:59 Issa_            VanessaE, miss two mod on the pack
19:28 xming            finally I have a working osx binary
19:30 proller          can you make pull with all neded to it&
19:30 proller          ?
19:31 proller          or show branch
19:31 xming            I will eventually
19:31 xming            it's still not perfect
19:31 FreeFull         freeminer takes a while to build
19:32 xming            still not a roper bundle
19:32 xming            proper*
19:33 xming            and it segfaults at exit
19:33 xming            and can crash when it's unable to connecto to a server
19:34 markveidemanis   http://s22.postimg.org/snczhspmp/screenshot_168727986.png
19:34 proller          now its main minetest problem under all OS except linux
19:34 proller          freebsd crases everywhere too
19:35 PilzAdam         what about windows?
19:35 proller          but nobody wants to fix it
19:37 Evolykane        !seen John_minetest
19:37 ShadowBot        Evolykane: I saw John_minetest in #minetest 9 minutes and 49 seconds ago saying "bbl".
19:48 FreeFull         Jeez
19:48 FreeFull         I have to reconfigure it now
19:49 FreeFull         Because I don't have the mandelbulber source
19:51 xming            proller: so it's not OSX specific?
19:52 xming            been playing an hour with the OSX client, no crashes
19:52 proller          no, its ~month MT bug
19:53 PilzAdam         Jordach, you smelled wrong: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=123590#p123590
19:53 xming            okay so I won't worry mocuh about it for the moment
19:55 proller          xming, can you try make mac package ( .dmg or...)
19:55 proller          and make building or packaging maximum automatic
19:55 xming            yeah that's the goal
19:56 xming            it's fully cmake + make now, no need for xcode
20:01 VanessaE         Issa_: what mods are wrong?
20:02 Issa_            VanessaE, well i don'"t know the name, the mod when u dead u are a squelete
20:02 Issa_            and the mod
20:02 Issa_            take automatli the little cub of things
20:03 VanessaE         eh?
20:03 VanessaE         oh, you mean bones?>
20:03 VanessaE         that's deliberately removed.  I don't like that mod at all.
20:09 Issa_            VanessaE, ok
20:09 Issa_            and for the mod who the little cube of things (i don't know the name in english)
20:09 Issa_            take automatly to u
20:09 Issa_            .
20:09 Issa_            he is very cool
20:10 Issa_            now u need to mine little cube to get it
20:12 VanessaE         Issa_: you mean item drop
20:12 Issa_            yes
20:12 VanessaE         that mod is probably among the server's world mods
20:12 VanessaE         you need to configure it in your minetest.conf
20:12 xming            how do I breed sheep with mobf? I created big barn (it's just one block) and then?
20:12 VanessaE         enable_item_drops = false
20:12 VanessaE         enable_item_pickup = true
20:13 xming            I tried to drop a cow on it then the cow dissapeared
20:13 VanessaE         Issa_: excuse me - I guess it's in the Game, but anyway, put those ^^^^^^ two lines in your minetest.conf and it should work as you want it to.
20:16 VanessaE         +
20:16 VanessaE         oops.
20:19 reactor          ...the room where all the robots scream at you
20:19 xming            ah got how to do it
20:19 xming            proller: how many people are working on osx package? So many scattered efforts
20:20 proller          3+ tried, but bobody make pull
20:20 proller          https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/issues/11
20:21 FreeFull         Finally, freeminer is built
20:21 Issa_            what difference between freeminer eand minetest ??
20:22 reactor          There is pkgsrc / ports for OSX?
20:22 Issa_            android port ?
20:22 proller          Issa_, some features + faster server
20:22 reactor          If there is, they should try adapting MT by means of the pkgsrc / ports framework, first.
20:22 xming            proller: euh that's freeminer, not minetest
20:23 reactor          Should start from what is done for FBSD.
20:23 proller          xming, all links to minetest branches
20:23 xming            how compatible are the 2 ?
20:24 FreeFull         Does freeminer only have the minimal game?
20:25 Issa_            VanessaE, u right with tnt
20:26 Issa_            an idiot on my server using tnt on forest
20:26 Issa_            so i can't stop the fire :'(
20:26 VanessaE         Issa_: yep, which is why I disable the fire mod on my servers:  disable_fire = true  in minetest.conf
20:26 VanessaE         TNT is too laggy and too destructive.
20:27 xming            OSX is totally different than *bsd/*nix, Darwin is like *nix
20:27 VanessaE         shadowninja's tnt might be the least laggy, but all of them are destructive anyway
20:27 VanessaE         Issa_: shut the server down, put disable_fire = true  in minetest.conf, restart the server.
20:27 VanessaE         the fire will put itself out.
20:29 Issa_            ok i try
20:29 Issa_            but the server to start is really long :/
20:30 thexyz           freeminer! much fast! very better!
20:31 thexyz           serverlist tells the truth
20:31 VanessaE         and incompatible with minetest clients...
20:33 thexyz           this woman lies
20:33 xming            how many have jumped the boat?
20:33 VanessaE         did you not switch over to enet?
20:33 zash             So where's libreminer? :)
20:34 thexyz           not yet
20:34 VanessaE         ok, s/and in/and soon to be in/
20:34 thexyz           maybe
20:34 VanessaE         :P
20:35 ShadowNinja      If you want 256x256x256 holes in under a minute and good entity damage and pushing physics use my nuke mod. :-)
20:36 ShadowNinja      I also added fancy particles recently.
20:38 xming            V
20:40 VanessaE         ShadowNinja: speaking of particles, are you aware that they're being drawn with some amount of alpha?
20:40 VanessaE         digging particles, that is
20:40 VanessaE         and thus, they stack weird around some other objects like water or frosted glass
20:40 ShadowNinja      VanessaE: Yes, it's intentional.
20:40 VanessaE         ok
20:40 ShadowNinja      (I think...)
20:46 crissc           hello, back again
20:47 crissc           I tried to compile minetest, but till now, I didn't manage it
20:47 VanessaE         ShadowNinja: I don't think it is - the particles flicker.  I mean like an old TV flickers.  this doesn't seem intentional.
20:47 VanessaE         I haven't noticed it with the default particle setting, but I haven't payed that much attention either, so it's probably not your more-break-particles patch doing it.  just a point of note, is all.
21:05 pitriss          hi please server_map_save_interval is meant to be in seconds?
21:06 VanessaE         it is indeed seconds; I have mine configured to be equivalent to every 10 minutes.
21:06 VanessaE         by default it's every few seconds or some such
21:06 pitriss          yep.. 5.3 is in example file..
21:08 pitriss          and what doing server_unload_unused_data_timeout ? It is clearing from memory unised mapblock every X seconds?
21:08 VanessaE         don't remember offhand, but I think so
21:08 pitriss          okay.. thank you:)
21:17 Miner_48er       ShadowNinja in areas why use a set xy&z number insted of volume in https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas/blob/7df1bbc190a62968d750e876d7064c3e97f91f40/internal.lua#L121
21:20 Issa_            video of freemind ?
21:24 testman42        Hello. Can anyone try to log into Clip Public Server? Does it work?
21:25 kaeza            what's the address?
21:27 person22         hello
21:28 person22         hello
21:28 kaeza            hi
21:28 person22         I'm getting the following error when running ./minetest:
21:28 person22         Could not load font because the file does not exist: /../fonts/fontlucida.png
21:28 sfan5            hi everyone
21:29 sfan5            wow.. I didn't know 'ls' could fuck up so bad
21:29 * kaeza          puts a kitten on sfan5's head
21:29 * sfan5          gives kaeza a beer
21:29 kaeza            :D
21:29 kaeza            aren't you a bit young to be drinking?
21:29 PilzAdam         thats why he gave you th beer
21:30 PilzAdam         person22, yes, whats the problem?
21:30 kaeza            heh
21:30 person22         I'm getting "Could not load font because the file does not exist: /../fonts/fontlucida.png"
21:30 PilzAdam         do you have a run_in_place build?
21:30 person22         yes
21:31 PilzAdam         have you moved the executable somewhere else?
21:31 person22         no
21:31 person22         it's still in bin
21:31 PilzAdam         does the font file exist?
21:32 person22         yes
21:32 person22         notice the '/' in front
21:32 sfan5            kaeza: I'm too young to be drinking?
21:32 VanessaE         bbl
21:33 person22         also, do you know how to glob only files (not directories) in zsh?
21:33 person22         grep output is too long :P
21:34 PilzAdam         what Minetest version do you use?
21:34 PilzAdam         when I run it with a non-existing font-file I get "22:33:36: ERROR[main]: WARNING: Font file was not found. Using default font."
21:34 person22         I downloaded the source tarball today
21:34 person22         and yes that happens
21:34 person22         but then there's a lua error
21:34 PilzAdam         what Lua error?
21:35 person22         15:34:56: ERROR[AsyncWorkerThread_0]: ==== ERROR FROM LUA WHILE INITIALIZING ASYNC ENVIRONMENT ===== 15:34:56: ERROR[AsyncWorkerThread_0]: Failed to load and run script from 15:34:56: ERROR[AsyncWorkerThread_0]: /../builtin/async_env.lua: 15:34:56: ERROR[AsyncWorkerThread_0]: cannot open /../builtin/async_env.lua: No such file or directory 15:34:56: ERROR[AsyncWorkerThread_0]: =================== END OF ERROR FROM LUA ===========
21:35 person22         oop sorry
21:35 person22         http://pastebin.com/Cj1nTadg
21:35 PilzAdam         have you compiled with cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 ?
21:35 person22         cmake .. -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release -DCMAKE_OSX_ARCHITECTURES=x86_64
21:35 person22         yes
21:35 ShadowNinja      person22: The file exists and is readable?
21:36 kaeza            >OSX
21:36 PilzAdam         ShadowNinja, .. doesnt exist in the root directory
21:36 ShadowNinja      Oh, I thought it was stripping the path to bin/.
21:37 PilzAdam         thats the problem :-)
21:37 PilzAdam         person22, rm CMakeCache.txt and recompile, maybe you have a strange fixed sharedir or something like that in it
21:37 person22         ok before I do that
21:38 person22         here's --trace output that seems relevant
21:38 person22         15:37:29: INFO[main]: path_share = �#Q�/.. 15:37:29: INFO[main]: path_user  = �#Q�/..
21:38 PilzAdam         that doesnt look good
21:39 person22         also the errors now have the characters in the path
21:41 person22         ok running with verbose gets rid of the weird characters
21:42 person22         lol
21:42 person22         porting.cpp line 341
21:42 person22         //TODO: Test this code
21:43 PilzAdam         oh!
21:43 PilzAdam         you are on OSC
21:43 PilzAdam         *X
21:43 person22         got it
21:43 PilzAdam         why dont you say that....
21:43 person22         sorry
21:43 person22         I got it
21:43 person22         they put logic in an assert
21:43 person22         which is not run in release builds
21:44 PilzAdam         no, we override assert() to always run
21:44 person22         ok
21:44 PilzAdam         I guess you can just return; there, since the paths are set to run in place by default
21:45 PilzAdam         or find a proper fix and hand it to #minetest-dev :-)
21:46 person22         I think assert is not being called
21:47 person22         because the --trace output has weird characters
21:47 PilzAdam         well, move it out of the assert and try
21:47 person22         ok rebuilding
21:47 specing          8 MESE \o/
21:47 Peacock          Banco de HueHue http://youtu.be/z1CrmlK5zMM :P
21:48 sfan5            !title
21:48 ShadowBot        sfan5: title [--no-filter] <url>
21:48 person22         works
21:48 Peacock          weird, vid has a title
21:48 Peacock          "Golpe de Caixa Eletrônico Falso"
21:49 kaeza            do*
21:49 PilzAdam         !help title
21:49 ShadowBot        PilzAdam: (title [--no-filter] <url>) -- Returns the HTML <title>...</title> of a URL. If --no-filter is given, the bot won't strip special chars (action, DCC, ...).
21:49 Peacock          maybe its the funny o with the little hat that tripped up shadowbot
21:49 person22         PilzAdam: moving it out of the assert works
21:50 PilzAdam         great
21:50 person22         ok
21:50 person22         bye
21:51 Evolykane        !seen John_minetest
21:51 MinetestBot      Evolykane: john_minetest was last seen at 2013-12-30 16:25:28 UTC on #minetest
21:54 ShadowNinja      ~title <url last>
21:54 ShadowBot        ShadowNinja: Error: 'An error has occurred and has been logged. Check the logs for more informations.' is not a valid http url.
21:55 ShadowNinja      Grrr...
21:58 trauerlicht      grml. i dont find the modfolder. im using linuxmint and even cant find it with find / ._. any idea? or do i only have to "make" a directory?
21:58 PilzAdam         trauerlicht, run in place build or system wide installed?
21:59 trauerlicht      PilzAdam: no idea ... got it with "apt-get install minetest" ... there were no build-information
21:59 PilzAdam         then its system-wide
22:00 PilzAdam         the mod folder needs to be created in ~/.minetest/
22:00 trauerlicht      PilzAdam: ok, this was the tip i needed; "needs to be created" :) ill try that out
22:01 trauerlicht      PilzAdam: really, really thank you :) this is not mentioned in the wiki :)
22:05 PilzAdam         trauerlicht, hm? "If one of the below mentioned directories does not exist, create it. " – http://wiki.minetest.net/Installing_Mods
22:07 PilzAdam         I know its written there because I wrote it ;-)
22:08 trauerlicht      PilzAdam: mh, ok, then its no obvious :)
22:15 trauerlicht      PilzAdam: ok, youre right. its obvious :)
22:46 testman42        trtfeature request: chat bubbles over person who is speaking
22:46 testman42        *feature
22:47 testman42        so that chat between two persons does not get lost among other chats on global channel
23:10 xming            OSX is just weird
23:51 PilzAdam         hi