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04:26 OWNSyouAll What is userdata? I'm trying to get the inventory of a node and it comes back as a table of userdata
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05:02 Inocudom What does RealBadAngel's normal maps generator look like with HDX?
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05:06 VanessaE haven't tried it.
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07:18 reactor EHLO
07:18 reactor OldCoder: how's the survival going?
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10:24 john_minetest Hello everypony
10:25 reactor Hello everybrony.
10:26 john_minetest reactor: http://mlfw.info/f/698/
10:26 reactor ?
10:27 reactor My big face when I look at you with disgust.
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10:30 john_minetest reactor: http://mlfw.info/f/3529/
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11:13 Progers Hello
11:14 pitriss Progers: hi
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11:21 xming hi how do I generate a new world with "minetestserver" ?
11:25 xming ah I need to mkdir world
11:26 reactor Mesecons developers, y u no give direct link on your site?
11:26 reactor I had to enable goddamn jscript to access it!
11:27 xming I don't need js to access the site
11:27 john_minetest reactor: mesecons.net
11:28 john_minetest The only thing you have to do is to allow cross-site-requests to github.com
11:28 john_minetest No JS on that site.
11:29 john_minetest (At least not required)
11:29 reactor Oh.
11:29 reactor Somehow, I had to enable it in order to get the button to work.
11:30 reactor Why have to use those awful buttons if it can be done with simple links?
11:30 specing proller: the sky stargate really needs fixing
11:30 specing proller: its deactivated
11:31 specing I died and now I can't reach 0,0,0 :(
11:31 pitriss john_minetest: those buttons really don't work without JS.. And the same look can be reached also with CSS styled links.. so reactors idea is valid:)
11:32 john_minetest They work without JS
11:32 john_minetest I have noscript
11:33 john_minetest Only thing I need is enabling requests to github.com with requestpolicy
11:33 pitriss <input type="button" class = "button" value = "Download" onclick="window.open('https://github.com/Jeija/minetes​t-mod-mesecons/zipball/master')"> //this will not work without JS
11:33 pitriss window.open is JS :)
11:34 john_minetest I haven't got JS
11:34 john_minetest <input class="button" type="button" onclick="window.open('https://github.com/Jeija/minetes​t-mod-mesecons/zipball/master')" value="Download">
11:34 john_minetest oh, wait
11:34 john_minetest Why was noscript disabled O_o
11:35 pitriss Nope.. this is just js code.. i was webcoder some years ago.. and this will not work on browsers without JS
11:35 john_minetest ummm... still works
11:36 pitriss so these buttons are really shitty:) They can be done via CSS.. IDK noscript but try to turn off JS completely
11:36 thexyz shit I also had to enable TCP/IP, HTTP, dns, html AND css to access your stupid site
11:36 thexyz what the fuck?
11:37 pitriss thexyz: maybe someone will want to download it from their site with text based browser which doesn't support js?:)
11:37 pitriss common situation on servers without xserver/fb:)
11:37 thexyz yeah those people tend to whine the most ignoring the fact no one cares about supporting those browsers
11:38 thexyz on server you just wget the url you got from browsing your site with your usual browser
11:39 reactor Yes, but in order to wget you have to know the link clearly.
11:39 reactor Also, some people disable js in their browser.
11:39 reactor Including me.
11:40 pitriss thexyz: heh okay.. but why when I'm on mesecons.net I need to browse source of that page instead right click on buttona and select "copy link"?
11:40 thexyz yeah and they expect site owners to care which is strange
11:40 reactor I don't want to waste CPU cycles on unnecessary shit that could be done properly.
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11:40 reactor s/done/avoided if things are being done/
11:40 thexyz then please don't talk it here
11:40 thexyz because you just do that
11:41 thexyz muh cpu cycles
11:41 thexyz muh waste
11:41 thexyz anyway, the fact that it requires js to download is really strange
11:42 thexyz but I'm afraid you can't do anything but whine because Jeija is missing D:
11:42 pitriss thexyz: that button thing is bad.. you can't copy link from there in some normal way.. browsing source code isn't really normal
11:42 thexyz pitriss: you click it and then copy it from your downloads
11:42 reactor I'm not whihing.
11:42 thexyz if you really want to
11:42 thexyz "I'm not whining, I'm complaining"
11:42 reactor I'm complaining about a convenience-relevant peoblem.
11:42 thexyz yeah yeah
11:43 reactor But whatever. He's not here, so I will contact him when he is here. If I bother to remember.
11:43 thexyz you're wasting your precious cpu cycles by complaining, you should stop doing that because that's not going to change anything
11:43 reactor .-10,.s/eoblem/roblem/
11:43 pitriss reactor: use !tell or how was named that bot function
11:43 reactor I'm wasting less of them complaining than processing shitty scripting.
11:43 thexyz you should stop wasting your precious cpu cycles and, I dunno, send a pull request here https://github.com/Jeija/mesecons.net
11:44 reactor pitriss: I prefer not to outsource criticism.
11:47 thexyz I've found a file which you need to change! https://github.com/Jeija/mesec​ons.net/blob/master/index.php
11:48 reactor oh, I see.
11:48 reactor Well, that would require me bothering more than I planned to bother today.
11:48 thexyz I didn't expect anything else from you
11:49 reactor There are many things out there that pass the annoyance threshold, yet not pass the care enough to bother threshold.
11:51 thexyz it's all clear now that you're only interested in complaining about things, not fixing them; you can stop with that talk now
11:52 thexyz even if it's a two-lines change or a one-line issue
11:52 reactor That would require learning proper GIT, which requires a suitable chunk of interrupt-free time.
11:54 thexyz sending an issue via github issue tracker would require learning git, noted
11:54 thexyz ah, it probably uses javascript which is unacceptable
11:54 reactor Web-interfaces are annoying and should die.
11:54 john_minetest thexyz: I had to enable the internet to access that site
11:55 reactor ...unless they become more typist-friendly.
11:55 thexyz I'll have to agree then; the circumstances made it impossible for you to do something about this issue
11:55 thexyz so the only thing you can do (and what you do!) is to complain in this little IRC channel
11:55 thexyz much appreciated.
11:55 reactor I will gladly bother it when I know the right tools.
11:56 thexyz right tools are here! first, you need a non-hipster browser, like, any browser
11:56 thexyz then you navigate to https://github.com/Jeija/mesecons.net/issues/new and fill the fields in
11:56 thexyz then you press the green button
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12:10 john_minetest MinetestBot!
12:10 MinetestBot john_minetest!
12:12 proller specing, okay, i will buld new gate
12:14 proller http://minetest.setun.net/map.math/map-math.png - best map ;)
12:15 john_minetest It should be possible to make moving maps by tracking the position of the people on the map regularily..
12:16 reactor What is that grey thing?
12:16 reactor A road?
12:16 proller need embed http server to mt, and server json with positions and maybe tiles and no problem with realtime map
12:17 proller reactor, like bones
12:17 reactor So many bones?
12:17 reactor Oh.
12:17 proller nonono, structure bone
12:17 john_minetest Isn't it possible to get player positions with LUA?
12:18 proller john_minetest, you can write positions to static file every second
12:18 proller now json_writer included
12:18 john_minetest Every 5 seconds would be enough
12:18 proller serve it via http server, and get grom browser
12:19 john_minetest Why not simply reading the positions from some file to the website with jquery or something
12:20 proller who will update this file?
12:20 john_minetest a mod
12:21 proller i wrote about it ^^
12:21 john_minetest Lua mod could simply get all player pos and put them on the site
12:22 proller reactor, grey is stone
12:22 john_minetest Or maybe it could be implemented in mt directly
12:22 reactor proller: I see.
12:23 reactor I thought, maybe it's a road made of stone.
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12:23 john_minetest config "enable_movemap=true" and "movemap_target=http://thatismy.server.net/map.php"
12:26 thexyz yes, we could just have a mod which updates some file every 10 seconds, for example
12:26 thexyz now we need someone to write an isometric mapper
12:30 specing proller: yaaaay
12:38 john_minetest There is an isometric mapper.
12:38 john_minetest Zeg9 modified minetest to make isometric maps.
12:39 john_minetest Really cool results. Everything works and looks amazing.
12:39 thexyz I don't remember it working very well
12:39 john_minetest It worked perfectly. Nodeboxes worked, too, opposed to that other mapper eating all ram (which has been fixed) and not showing nodeboxes.
12:40 thexyz oh, it did?
12:40 thexyz maybe I was thinking about another one then
12:40 thexyz can I put it in cronjob?
12:40 thexyz and where do I download it
12:42 john_minetest idk, Zeg9 knows it
12:42 thexyz I remember having to manually browse the map or something like that
12:43 thexyz meeeh
12:43 john_minetest Nope. Iirc Zeg9 configured it, so you just have to enter chunks you want to map.
12:44 thexyz yeah, this is what I was talking about
12:44 thexyz I think this is unacceptable and it's too bad this mapper is no longer in development
12:44 john_minetest If you only want to map a special area and not all the crap where somebody has walked just for fun, entering mapblocks by hand is best
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12:45 john_minetest That one is made with his mapper iirc: http://i.imgur.com/vjDCpw4.jpg
12:45 thexyz keep believing that
12:46 thexyz yes, the results are nice
12:46 thexyz I want my map to be created fast and updated and I certainly don't want to waste my time selecting the tiles manually
12:46 john_minetest You don't have to select tiles manually
12:47 john_minetest You just have to enter the area between WHICH tiles to map.
12:47 john_minetest At least iirc.
12:47 * Jordach thinks a SimCity style game would work in minetest
12:48 thexyz https://github.com/Zeg9/mtgm/blob/master/TODO
12:48 thexyz I think that's not true
12:48 thexyz "press F12 for each."
12:49 reactor Speaking of keys.
12:49 reactor Why are those "chat entry" and "command entry" windows still used?
12:49 reactor There is a nice console with scrollback and history!
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12:50 reactor (I've seen a patch that allows the console to be mapped to alphanum keys instead, but it has never been integrated)
12:50 thexyz hm... doesn't seem to work for me at all
12:51 thexyz apparently it doesn't take screenshots or something
12:52 thexyz well it's bad that it doesn't work, I guess some day I'll continue making my mapper
12:52 thexyz which eats ram and can't do nodeboxes and shit
12:52 thexyz RealBadAngel: https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/issues/24
12:55 thexyz http://armarium.org/u/2013/12/23/Rn2qx7fBCs.gif
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13:11 specing proller: I'm surprised at how fast your server is wrt. loading content
13:11 specing Is that a freeminer thing?
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13:16 thexyz yes his server runs FM
13:18 Hirato speaking of screenshots, Y U NO DEFAULT TO ~/.freeminer/screenshots ?
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13:35 reactor Is whatever mod creating enemy mobs still expensive to run?
13:36 Hirato probably :D
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13:40 john_minetest PilzAdam's is light
13:40 john_minetest That math server is really slow. Map won't load
13:41 specing proller: did you fix the gate? it doesen't look fixed. Did you move it?
13:41 john_minetest proller: Do you also run the math server?
13:42 Hirato which is the math server?
13:46 Hirato that one that shows up as Xenodreambuie ?
13:47 john_minetest yeah
13:47 john_minetest Slow and lags
13:48 Hirato yay, forever loading
13:48 Hirato can't even blame my torrents
13:49 john_minetest Servers should have better slot management. It is a bit strange that there are servers with 64 or 1337 or 980 or 12 or 499 slots and the more slots, the higher in the list.
13:50 Hirato still, still "loading item definitions"
13:53 Hirato disconnected, whoo
13:55 Hirato several more attempts, it's finalyl trying media :o
13:56 Hirato sure are a lot of bones i nthe spawning area
14:00 sapier Hiratio what server are you connectiong to?
14:00 Hirato that 'math' one,  Xenodreambuie
14:01 Hirato appears to have lagged out, not handling any mount input
14:01 Hirato minetest sure is overzealous with capturing the cursor...
14:03 sapier I filed that bug years ago, someone claimed it to be a windowmanager bug ... as I can't proof anything different ;-)
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14:17 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
14:17 reactor EHLO
14:18 zash 501 Syntax: EHLO hostname
14:19 PilzAdam wtf? https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=123329#p123329
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14:27 specing lol
14:27 specing lol the previous post
14:30 EvergreenTree ~EvergreenTree@unaffiliated/evergreentree
14:30 EvergreenTree \o\
14:32 PilzAdam ~PilzAdam@unaffiliated/pilzadam
14:32 PilzAdam \o\
14:32 specing ~specing@unaffiliated/specing
14:32 specing \o\
14:33 EvergreenTree unaffiliated@unaffiliated/unaffiliated
14:34 specing affiliated@affiliated/unaffiliated
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14:56 EvergreenTree Hi Enke
14:56 Enke 'ello EvergreenTree
15:03 reactor Creative inventory gone?!
15:03 Enke reactor: What?
15:03 reactor ?!!
15:03 reactor Well, eh.
15:04 reactor I have enabled creative in server config, no creative inventory.
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15:07 OldCoder reactor, thanks for the inquiry. I am in the process of moving IRL.
15:07 reactor Good!
15:07 reactor So how are you doing?
15:16 reactor All I get is a Survival mode inventory.
15:16 reactor This is strange.
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15:32 thexyz Hirato: please submit an issue
15:34 thexyz also proller's modpack is probably the most bloated one no wonder it lags
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15:39 thexyz sfan5: http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/39127303
15:40 thexyz hm I guess he uses both mobs mods
15:40 thexyz and weather too
15:55 john_minetest Epic: http://othersidejewellery.deviantar​t.com/art/Minetest-bricks-385824113
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15:57 specing proller: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2656 + disable the drop part
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16:04 EvergreenTree o/
16:05 kaeza greetings
16:06 Enke o/
16:10 reactor I forget, do I need to forward both TCP and UDP?
16:12 john_minetest I think only UDP is needed for minetest
16:12 reactor mk
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16:23 OWNSyouAll reactor, both if i remember
16:24 OWNSyouAll yeah i have both udp and tcp forwarded in my firewall
16:24 reactor mk
16:25 reactor hmm.
16:25 reactor I figured. Only UDP.
16:31 thexyz specing: won't that turn the game into a lagfest?
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16:31 rubenwardy Hi all
16:32 thexyz reactor: it seems sapier's working hard on adding TCP into Minetest so soon (or not) you'll need to allow both TCP and UDP
16:32 reactor oh
16:32 reactor For what? Media handling?
16:33 Hirato probably for the reliable stuff, like sending blocks
16:33 reactor oh
16:33 specing thexyz: maybe.
16:33 OWNSyouAll Yeah i've had that happen to me spend 5 minutes placing blocks and then i come back and they are all gone :/
16:36 specing thexyz: but hey, its freeminer, its supposed to be amazing
16:37 reactor Lag fests are not amazing eh.
16:39 rubenwardy Freeminer has more optimisation, but then they added more features which ruin the benefit, it appears.
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16:39 Jordach evening
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16:43 sepi How can I spawn a mobf animal using a command?
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16:52 john_minetest rubenwardy:
16:52 john_minetest https://github.com/rubenwardy​/The-NodeBox-Generator/pull/5
16:53 rubenwardy Merged
16:53 rubenwardy :P
16:53 markveidemanis sepi: iirc it was /spawnmob
16:54 rubenwardy Thankeee you, john_minetest.
16:54 * rubenwardy just downloaded the Android SDK
16:55 sepi markveidemanis: thanks a lot
16:59 * rubenwardy got 1,800,000 on temple run
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17:00 qwebirc65657 where is megaf
17:00 qwebirc65657 I need to speack to him
17:01 qwebirc65657 hello
17:01 qwebirc65657 anyone here
17:02 qwebirc65657 hello
17:02 thexyz specing: it indeed is more optimized (i.e. it's possible to host more than 10 players) but there's still much work to do
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17:02 qwebirc65657 does anyone know megaf
17:03 qwebirc65657 PLEASE RESPOND
17:03 reactor qwebirc65657: he comes here, periodically. Okay?
17:03 reactor Webchat is evil.
17:03 OWNSyouAll how to tell that someone has never used irc
17:05 sepi How can I debug a missing mob name? I create my own animal for the mobf but cannot spawn it and get an "Unknown modname >mymod<" error. Any idea how I can debug this?
17:06 OWNSyouAll sepi, type /mods do you see mymod in there?
17:06 sepi OWNSyouAll: yeah, but it doesn't show up in /listdefinedmobs
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17:07 sepi could a broken model be a problem?
17:07 OWNSyouAll dont know never used mobs
17:07 reactor So, mobs are still expensive to run?
17:07 reactor I mean, on servers?
17:09 meldrian Guten Abend
17:09 meldrian eeeehhh heloo
17:11 thexyz yes
17:11 reactor Идея.Рщц учзутышму,
17:11 reactor Oops.
17:11 reactor How expensive?
17:11 reactor 10 mobs already much?
17:12 thexyz not sure, also there are two mods or so
17:12 reactor mk
17:12 thexyz one is mobf by sapier and another one is mobs by PilzAdam
17:13 thexyz PilzAdam: by the way!
17:13 thexyz PilzAdam: plz fix https://github.com/PilzAdam/​mobs/blob/master/api.lua#L31
17:15 phantombeta Hi
17:17 reactor ...is it possible to make players' nicks disappear when they're behind something?
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17:17 reactor It really kills all surprise element while deathmatching.
17:17 meldrian good question reactor ;)
17:18 Peacock just noticed, chanserv welcomes the germans and spanish, but not the english, racist chanserv XD
17:19 reactor ChavServ does greet me.
17:19 Peacock nor does it mention the french, the russians or the portuguese channels XD
17:19 reactor Also, o/ Peacock.
17:20 Peacock howdyy
17:21 kaeza well, -br and -fr are pretty much dead (-fr has 2 users, one of which is CS)
17:21 Peacock im severely disappointed though that the Russians released the greenpeace activists, should have sunk their boat
17:21 rubenwardy ChanServ greets me
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17:23 Peacock kaeza speaking of which, check this out lol http://youtu.be/1ADX1opI7Vg
17:24 reactor Greenpeace are a bunch of hipsters and panickers.
17:24 kaeza inb4 rickroll
17:24 reactor They aren't doing anything real to protect the planet, just talking and disrupting people's work.
17:24 Peacock i saw the montrealer greenpeace dude in the media, guys' got the whole fidel castro beard thing going
17:24 reactor ...which only causes expenses.
17:25 Peacock well they break the law and think they're above it because they're environmentalists, yet they expect to have stricter environmental laws... logic?
17:25 reactor Yep.
17:26 Peacock speaking of logic, i read on /. that france wants to tax youtube... guess they ran out of things to tax in france XD
17:27 reactor France = broke?
17:28 Peacock well they did elect a socialist so it should probably come as no surprise lol
17:29 Peacock though even Argentina and Zimbabwe are having economic/liquidity troubles, methinks that might have something to do with the US winding down QE
17:29 reactor QE?
17:29 Peacock quantitative easing/stimulus/printing $
17:32 sfan5 !title
17:32 MinetestBot sfan5: HUEHUEHUE BR BR?! Brazilian Gamers - YouTube
17:32 * sfan5 puts a kitten on MinetestBot's head
17:36 Peacock so sad though in the last week there have been so many fires, one house burnt down because of faulty light circuits, another house had a tree next to the fireplace (bright), and in my last city a whole apartment block when up in flames the day before christmas
17:39 * NekoGloop curls up in sfan5's lap
17:39 reactor *sneeze* Do not mention those, sfan5!
17:39 * NekoGloop hisses at reactor
17:40 Peacock nekogloop's into the pussy ... cats :P
17:41 Peacock http://youtu.be/unmkX15AeN8
17:42 * NekoGloop bites Peacock's arm
17:42 Peacock i taste like butter but i'm not
17:42 * reactor puts NekoGloop in a box
17:43 reactor Let's do some experiments on quantum mechanics?
17:43 Peacock Schrodinger's  NekoGloop
17:43 reactor Speaking of which, now we have a new cat graveyard.
17:43 john_minetest Is NekoGloop afk or not? We don't know until we look at the chat.
17:44 Peacock away nicks signal the coming of the antichrist
17:44 NekoGloop|afk I'm only in one channel
17:44 NekoGloop|afk But am I here?
17:45 * sfan5 pets NekoGloop|afk
17:45 john_mt|afk Mew-har ha har hee haow he HA ha haaaarrrr....
17:45 thexyz http://coub.com/view/rwn5txo
17:45 reactor|dumping How do you like that one?
17:45 Peacock http://youtu.be/k0J2UmHzjYg
17:48 * NekoGloop|afk purrs
17:49 reactor Status nicks = must.die
17:50 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OePvsCfKHJg
17:50 thexyz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnzk3oViSCI
17:51 thexyz how do you like the tutorial?
17:51 zash Peacock: slap them with http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
17:53 thexyz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLVh7cQ9wxU
17:53 thexyz getting so upset just because somebody changed their nickname?
17:53 thexyz I'll never be able to understand that
17:54 zash thexyz: the day you look at the channel and see nothing but joins, parts, nick changes and one line of actual talk
17:54 * Sokomine puts some milk in front of nekogloop
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17:54 thexyz zash: that day you just learn how to disable joins, parts and nick changes in your irc client
17:54 * john_minetest is away: Becoming the first german Modelleisenbahngleisteilwärterchefmützentransp​ortsdampfschiffkapitänswappenmalerpinselborste​nschweinenackenmasseurschuhschnürsenkelschnell​binderüberprüfungslupenschleifsteinhersteller.
17:54 Peacock spacebars = banned in germany :P
17:55 * john_minetest is back: decided that somebody else should become the first german Modelleisenbahngleisteilwärterchefmützentransp​ortsdampfschiffkapitänswappenmalerpinselborste​nschweinenackenmasseurschuhschnürsenkelschnell​binderüberprüfungslupenschleifsteinhersteller.
17:55 Peacock http://charuzu.files.wordpress.c​om/2013/06/long_german_words.jpg
17:55 Calinou thexyz, that feeling when you talk to someone who left
17:55 Calinou happens to me often :(
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17:55 thexyz that's sad
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17:55 thexyz john_minetest: can you translate that?
17:56 john_minetest In germany you can just put words in a row and it makes sense. The word means:
17:56 Peacock translate? try pronouncing it in one breath LOL
17:59 john_minetest Modeltrain track part checker guy's chef's cap's transport steamship captain's armorial bearings' painter's brush's bristle pig's neck masseur's shoe's shoelace fast tyer checking magnifying glass polishing grindstone manufacturer.
18:00 reactor john_minetest: that's the last job I would like to apply for.
18:00 reactor Imagine all those things having to be done at once!
18:00 john_minetest No. I only create the grindstones.
18:01 john_minetest The rest is the purpose for the grindstones I make.
18:01 john_minetest But I am not sure if the demand is so high.
18:01 john_minetest So I let somebody else do this and become programmer.
18:02 Peacock which programmer did you become?
18:02 reactor Oh.
18:05 specing john_minetest: W.T.F. is that
18:06 Peacock huh, compiz is gone from the repos, what a shame
18:06 Calinou the era of wobbly windows is over
18:06 * NekoGloop|afk pushes Calinou
18:07 Sokomine wobbly windows?
18:07 Peacock i dont understand how things like compiz die yet people come up with shittier tablet interfaces that can't be easily reconfigured lol
18:07 john_minetest Calinou: LXDE is still in.
18:07 Calinou compiz was pretty heavy, and bad for gaming
18:07 john_minetest Wobbly windows will go on!
18:07 Calinou Sokomine, compiz had an option to make windows wobbly when moved :)
18:08 john_minetest LXDE seems to have wobbly windows enabled by default.
18:08 Sokomine irks :-) did people actually use that? i mean...more than once?
18:08 john_minetest And bursting and exploding when closed
18:08 Peacock wobbly windows was one of many plugins lol the others were more useful
18:08 Peacock i'd have inactive windows scaled down
18:08 john_minetest KNOPPIX uses wobbly windows by default
18:08 Peacock and compiz was only heavy if you ran it on your local library's computer :P
18:09 Sokomine i prefer window managers/launchers that just do their job - without fancy effects. those effects are nice to watch once; i wouldn't want to work with them
18:10 Peacock well lots of people *only* went for the fancy effects, but on a LED screen, id rather like to have back the inactive window dimming lol
18:10 Peacock so many websites with white backgrounds giving me headaches lol
18:10 john_minetest I normally use i3 or dwm. Since they are suddenly broken on archlinux I use razor-qt.
18:11 reactor Peacock: exactly.
18:11 reactor White background must die.
18:11 Peacock shit breaking on arch? colour me surprised lol
18:11 reactor You can deal with them using a custom stylesheet locally, with varying success.
18:11 Peacock oh god people only use white backgrounds because they equate screens with paper/billboards, but it's god awful for the eyes
18:11 MinetestBot PilzAdam is back!
18:12 reactor Who needs all those desktop effects, really?
18:12 reactor They're only taking time.
18:12 john_minetest Green text on black background is best for eyes.
18:12 Peacock ive noticed a sudden influx of arch refugees on the crunchbang forums too
18:12 reactor The faster the window is spawned, the sooner you can start using it for work.
18:12 reactor john_minetest: not necessarily.
18:13 reactor Any colour will do, if it's not overly bright.
18:13 Peacock i didn't think anyone still cared about time/resources, so much poorly conceived software say "memory is cheap" lol
18:16 john_minetest green is the color that is best for the eyes. The eyes relax.
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18:16 PilzAdam john_minetest, xchat makes your nick green.... coincidend?
18:17 john_minetest hexchat makes messages with my name in it green
18:17 NekoGloop|afk my name is red, yours is blue
18:17 NekoGloop|afk everyone is blue
18:17 NekoGloop|afk I'm in a box
18:17 NekoGloop|afk I don't exist.
18:18 kaeza Cogito ergo sum
18:19 YuGiOhJCJ hello is it normal that when I go to the "Credits" section in the game menu I have some errors in the console?
18:19 YuGiOhJCJ http://pastebin.com/j8NPm2Xk
18:19 * Sokomine looks into the box
18:19 PilzAdam YuGiOhJCJ, no, thats not normal
18:19 YuGiOhJCJ on minetest 0.4.8 Linux (built from source code)
18:19 PilzAdam its the result of sapier messing the texture load paths up
18:20 Peacock its the security hardon preventing you from doxing contributors :P
18:21 YuGiOhJCJ do you think it's my fault ?
18:21 PilzAdam YuGiOhJCJ, no
18:21 kaeza remember kids: when in doubt, blame sapier
18:21 reactor Peacock: your password?
18:22 Peacock im not allowed to post pornographic messages here XD
18:22 Peacock kaeza well he does seem to be doing most of the work and decision taking :P
18:23 john_minetest Lol, imagine somebody stole your password and can't enter it because his software detects curse words and can't use them ;D
18:23 YuGiOhJCJ ahah strange sapier is the man to blame but it's also one of the person where the e-mail address is missing in the "credits" section :)
18:23 kaeza conspiracy >.>
18:23 Peacock when i have time to piss away and need a good laugh i make popcorn and read the dev logs lol the sapier/proller/xyz "disagreements" are quite entertaining
18:24 thexyz fuck you
18:24 Peacock so, is it enet or tcp?
18:24 thexyz YuGiOhJCJ: that's a known error
18:25 reactor I mean, eh.
18:25 PilzAdam thexyz, can you please stop insulting others?
18:25 reactor YuGiOhJCJ looks like someone's password.
18:25 thexyz PilzAdam: alright
18:25 Peacock im not blaming proller or xyz :P sapier seems determined to do the opposite of whatever proller does, and blame him for being uncooperative afterwards, from what i read :P
18:25 YuGiOhJCJ you are speaking of my nickname ?
18:26 YuGiOhJCJ my passwords are longer and contain numbers :)
18:27 john_minetest Time to d-d-d-d-d-d-duel!
18:27 ShadowNinja sapier tries to do things the right way, proller tries to do things the quick and easy way.
18:27 YuGiOhJCJ nice so it is a known error... Is it reported ? I mean... Do you have the bug number ?
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18:28 Peacock right and wrong ways are pretty subjective, in technical circles the distinction between what works and doesn't work is more important :P
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18:32 YuGiOhJCJ there are no "~/.minetest/textures" directory so it's normal it complains
18:32 YuGiOhJCJ the good path is "/usr/share/minetest/textures"
18:32 thexyz ShadowNinja: the right way being adding hacks to current udp implementation
18:32 thexyz and then adding TCP on the top to finish this wonderful cake
18:33 YuGiOhJCJ and "/usr/share/minetest/textures/base/pack/logo.png" is available
18:33 Peacock so i guess a decision hasn't been taken on protocols yet
18:33 thexyz YuGiOhJCJ: yeah well as I said that's a known bug
18:33 thexyz Peacock: the decision (MT) is to go with UDP + TCP
18:33 Peacock hm, well hopefully it gets done fast, ive been hearing about TCP since i first got here
18:34 ShadowNinja thexyz: You added enet, not proller.
18:35 thexyz ShadowNinja: I think you have no idea
18:35 thexyz ShadowNinja: I did add enet but proller's done many changes too
18:35 YuGiOhJCJ I see that my server is only 0.4.4 whereas my client is 0.4.8 do you think there are some incompatibility problems ?
18:35 thexyz both those that only affect current UDP implementation and those that affect network stuff in general
18:35 john_minetest Why is this chat logged?
18:36 Calinou it's useful
18:36 ShadowNinja I prefer enet, but I like compat too.
18:36 john_minetest minetest-dev might be useful
18:36 john_minetest But #minetest is 99% offtopic
18:36 Peacock so people can't lie by pretending they never said something, logs = handy
18:36 ShadowNinja True...
18:36 john_minetest Nothing of interest is said here.
18:36 john_minetest Only crap that is logged and anybody can see it later.
18:37 ShadowNinja Peacock: Everyone has personal logs.
18:37 Calinou sometimes useful stuff is logged
18:37 Peacock well #minetest used to have alot more mod dev talk, back when we had more than a handful of devs
18:38 Peacock alot of the former modders now work on the engine, and there haven't been many new to replace them
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18:39 john_minetest There is also minetest-mods iirc
18:39 thexyz ShadowNinja: you should make your bot to post link to alot pic when somebody says "alot"
18:39 ShadowNinja thexyz: What link?
18:40 OWNSyouAll ShadowNinja, http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/0​4/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
18:40 ShadowNinja And it will only work for me while MTBot is around.
18:40 * kaeza wonders what an alot of the former modders would be like
18:40 thexyz yeah or right to the pic
18:41 thexyz kaeza: "former modders" could imply that now they're dead, so.. some body parts mixed that form alot?
18:41 thexyz http://i.imgur.com/ZQibCv3.jpg
18:43 Peacock well by former i mean they work more on the engine than the content :P if i thought they were dead i would have said late or deceased
18:43 thexyz ah okay
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18:44 Peacock though the oldest people here are probably... RBA, OC and V
18:45 ShadowNinja ~mp add #minetest "(?:^| )alot\\b" "echo http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/0​4/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html"
18:45 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: O.K.
18:45 ShadowNinja I like alot
18:45 ShadowBot http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/0​4/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
18:45 ShadowNinja :-)
18:46 kaeza hah
18:46 PilzAdam alot
18:46 PilzAdam the bot ignores me :-(
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18:46 Peacock have you been molesting the bot?
18:47 john_minetest Just deleting some of my 240+ firefox bookmarks
18:47 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Yep. :-| Yell at ProgVal to fix channel command disabling or at sfan5 to remove MinetestBot.
18:47 thexyz ShadowNinja: no way
18:47 thexyz ShadowNinja: plz fix
18:48 Peacock why do we have 2 bots anyhow? does one do something different?
18:48 PilzAdam Peacock, we have ShadowBot because shes useful, and MinetestBot because sfan5 says so
18:49 Peacock lol okay in other words they never came to an agreement :P
18:49 ShadowNinja ShadowBot handles kicks and bans, MinetestBot has some commands, although ShadowBot has most of them too.
18:49 sfan5 PilzAdam: oh right.. I forgot that MinetestBot was not useful at all
18:49 kaeza !rainbow but MinetestBot has colurz
18:49 MinetestBot 7b7u9t9 Min7et6e2st7B5o7t3 6ha7s c7o8l4ur5z
18:49 Peacock !rainbow very gay
18:49 MinetestBot 9ve5ry 3g3ay
18:49 john_minetest !rainbow dash
18:49 MinetestBot d2a5sh
18:50 Peacock ugh who put brown in there?
18:50 thexyz !rainbow > not respecting lgbt
18:50 MinetestBot > 6n8o4t respe3c6ti3n4g9 l6gb9t
18:50 ShadowNinja I could add that, if you really want it...
18:50 PilzAdam sfan5, how hard would it be to merge the 2 bots?
18:50 sfan5 Peacock: the irc commitee
18:51 Peacock lgbt = lettuce, guacamole, bacon and tomato sandwich?
18:51 sfan5 PilzAdam: merging ShadowBot into MinetestBot would probably hard than MT into SB
18:51 sfan5 s/MT/MBot/
18:51 Peacock i think now it's LGBTQI btw :P
18:51 ShadowNinja SB implements most of MTB's features.
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18:53 ShadowNinja Having !title default to !title <url last> might need to be added, but that could be a
18:53 ShadowNinja dded with a simple alias, no code needed.
18:53 Peacock or maybe !title <user> in case many videos are posted at once
18:54 ShadowNinja ~help url last
18:54 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: (url last [<channel>] [--{from,with,without,near,proto} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Gives the last URL matching the given criteria. --from is from whom the URL came; --proto is the protocol the URL used; --with is something inside the URL; --without is something that should not be in the URL; --near is something in the same message as the URL. If --nolimit is given, returns all the (1 more message)
18:54 ShadowNinja :-)
18:55 thexyz WHERE'S THAT ONE MORE MESSAGE??
18:55 sfan5 it went to /dev/null
18:55 markveidemanis Looking smug, ShadowNinja
18:55 Peacock seriously, my first instinct was to click on it lol
18:55 ShadowNinja ~more
18:55 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: URLs that are found to just the URL. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
18:55 Peacock ~moar
18:55 markveidemanis ~help
18:55 markveidemanis ...
18:55 thexyz ~halp
18:55 thexyz ~plz
18:55 sfan5 ~kitten
18:56 Peacock ~evil
18:56 kaeza ~wowsuchhalp
18:56 sfan5 ~much wow
18:56 sfan5 ~very help
18:56 markveidemanis !unignore myass
18:56 ShadowNinja ...
18:56 YuGiOhJCJ the new way things far disappeared and re-appeared at the screen in 0.4.8 is irritating. In 0.4.7 it was better, isn't it ?
18:57 sfan5 markveidemanis: ShadowBot only reacts to ShadowNinja in #minetest
18:57 Peacock wouldn't want to name a sql table myass ... "insert into myass values [...]" lol
18:58 kahrl SELECT * FROM uranus
18:58 sfan5 INSERT into uranus VALUES [...]
18:59 Peacock INSERT INTO Mother VALUES...
18:59 ShadowNinja ~kitten
18:59 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: Error: I'm lobotomized in #minetest.
18:59 ShadowNinja :-(
18:59 YuGiOhJCJ I can enable full viewing range (with "R") but it is slower so I prefer to disable this feature but in 0.4.8 there are too many things that disappeared and re-appeared at the screen... Is it not the same for you ?
18:59 zash Not the kittes!
19:00 * sfan5 hands ShadowNinja a kitten
19:00 ShadowNinja Well, it works in another channel...
19:00 zash http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/​files/images/dangerous-to-go-alone.jpg :)
19:00 Peacock <YuGiOhJCJ> thats been going on since before 0.4.8
19:01 Peacock do things flicker when you turn?
19:03 YuGiOhJCJ I was on 0.4.7 since many months and I think it was better when we are in disabled full viewing range
19:03 Issa2013 hello
19:03 Peacock there was also that sky dark/bright flicker thing in free move
19:04 YuGiOhJCJ on 0.4.8 there is something different
19:05 Peacock well judging from the devlogs im holding out for 049 lol
19:06 YuGiOhJCJ I just move the mouse a little and a lot of things disappeared or re-appeared... that's strange...
19:06 Peacock yeah thats not new
19:06 Peacock but i was told it was in my head so i didn't press it further :P
19:06 YuGiOhJCJ but for me I prefer in the 0.4.7 for this
19:06 Issa2013 how install mod on minetest please
19:06 Peacock i dont remember if that was a thing with the 046 version
19:06 Issa2013 https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest_plus
19:07 Issa2013 i want install this --> https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest_plus
19:07 kaeza http://xkcd.com/1172/
19:07 YuGiOhJCJ I don't know how to explain exactly but I see a difference
19:07 kaeza ^ related
19:07 rubenwardy alot
19:07 Issa2013 !wikibot install mod linux
19:07 Peacock lol spacebar heating
19:08 Peacock though i hardly think chunks flickering and sky flickering were intended :P
19:09 kaeza Issa2013, http://wiki.minetest.net/Installing_Mods
19:09 Peacock doesn't the ingame thingy work?
19:10 Issa2013 Keaa i do it, but in minetest i don't show it
19:10 Issa2013 -->
19:10 Issa2013 http://www.enlightenment.org/ss​/e-52bf221e3ffad5.46200413.jpg
19:10 Peacock hidden folders?
19:11 kaeza >.mods
19:11 Peacock ugh im french and even i can't stand an OS in french lol
19:11 specing "mods"
19:11 Peacock is /.minetest legit too?
19:11 kaeza yes
19:12 Issa2013 ok
19:12 kaeza well, not /.minetest :P
19:12 Issa2013 but when i lunch he is crachesd --> /home/issa/.minetest/mods
19:12 Peacock try /home/issa/minetest/mods
19:13 specing ~/.minetest/mods is correct
19:13 kaeza Issa2013, pastebin the error you get
19:13 kaeza see this topic: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5073
19:13 Issa2013 http://www.enlightenment.org/ss​/e-52bf22dcce6667.85389099.jpg
19:14 Peacock is the mod /game named PLus?
19:14 kaeza oh wait
19:14 kaeza it's a game, not a mod
19:14 kaeza it goes in ~/.minetest/games/
19:16 Issa2013 kaeza, yes is better --> http://www.enlightenment.org/ss​/e-52bf2391423777.58976796.jpg
19:16 Issa2013 :)
19:17 Peacock lol minetest plus
19:17 Peacock up next, MoreMinetest
19:17 Peacock Minetest++
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19:17 kaeza MoreUnifiedExtendedMinetest
19:17 Peacock even better lol
19:17 kaeza +Plus
19:18 Peacock well i think V's game probably counts as UnifiedMinetest, she's got all the mods lol
19:18 Peacock i dont know why we're so bad with coming up with names for stuff in opensource lol
19:19 Issa2013 ok now i m tryning to luinch it on my ubuntu server
19:20 Peacock considering how many german users we have we should probably rename minetest to meinkraft :P
19:20 specing meintest
19:21 Peacock BergwerkHandwerk ?
19:22 Peacock (literal translation of mine + craft) lol
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19:34 rubenwardy The product of 2 hours of ducking about with the Android SDK: (screenshot) http://ubuntuone.com/2HPUfD9KOB5faaGsNCg1fq
19:35 Peacock if it took two hours to do that im not surprised then that so many apps are shit or just frames for websites lol
19:35 specing could do that in under 5 mins with QML + C++
19:36 rubenwardy It took under a minute to make the actual code, the rest of the time was trying to get it to run in the emulator
19:37 Peacock lol i had similar fun setting up android x86 in virtualbox
19:37 specing doubt it
19:37 specing you can't do a GUI helloworld in java in under 5 minutes
19:37 specing err 1 minute
19:37 rubenwardy It is just drag and drop, and then making a base class.
19:37 rubenwardy the base class only has one function in it, which is to load the ui
19:37 Peacock but.... java lol
19:38 rubenwardy but.... lua lol
19:38 specing lua >>>>> java
19:38 kaeza lol C++
19:38 Peacock lua is simple enough for its purposes
19:38 kaeza sory, had to say it :/
19:38 kaeza +r
19:38 * specing whips kaeza
19:38 Peacock no one expects  you to write full apps in lua though some do try
19:38 rubenwardy I don't like Java, but Android uses it]
19:39 specing Peacock: checkout the LOVE framework
19:39 Peacock of course, dont they put each app in a virtualbox type sandbox?
19:39 specing Qemu.
19:39 specing virtualbox sucks
19:39 kaeza inb4 "because muh freedums"
19:40 Peacock lol
19:40 specing Can virtualbox do ARM?
19:40 specing how about Sparc?
19:40 specing Or Power?
19:40 specing ofcourse not.
19:40 Peacock even hitler had a "Free Corps" :p
19:41 specing Qemu beats it in performance, too
19:42 kaeza alright, I stand corrected
19:43 kaeza still was just poking fun at the general statement "it's betterer because it's freer" not "because it has more features, etc"
19:43 reactor ...github is more convenient than I thought,actually.
19:43 reactor s/,/, /
19:44 Peacock kaeza dont worry, even RMS admits his whole life is one giant fail :P
19:45 Peacock a bit long, but he says it lol http://youtu.be/WM8mKMtEg7M
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20:23 Megaf hi all
20:24 Megaf Hi PilzAdam
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20:26 Megaf Hi Calinou proller troller
20:26 troller moo\
20:27 Megaf Heh, I'm really lagged here
20:29 * Calinou quality controls Megaf
20:29 Calinou certified, no lag!
20:30 specing proller: troller theres two of you for the price of one?
20:30 proller meow
20:33 thexyz !tell rubenwardy nice now uninstall eclipse and use a proper ide like intellij idea
20:33 MinetestBot thexyz: I'll pass that on when rubenwardy is around
20:34 Calinou ...
20:35 thexyz that was so constructive
20:38 specing proller: fixed teeh gate yet?
20:38 proller no
20:38 proller 10-20 min..
20:39 specing btw I found 4 MESE BLOCKS on a floatisland at >29000 height
20:39 specing took 8 hearts to get there. was worth it
20:40 Calinou "Sky" is unplayable, because you don't start with any resources, but also because the world is full of bones...
20:40 Calinou also because tool speeds are too slow... but that's the case on any server
20:42 troller no problem to find tree and make pick
20:47 Peacock if your tool speed is too slow, you might wanna get a gf :P
20:50 specing Calinou: I found your bones on the same floatisland I found 4 mese blocks on :P
20:51 specing Calinou: anyway, if you go back into the sky stargate you reach my gardens near 0,0,0
20:51 specing but it currently doesen't work because I blew the other end up with mese TNT :D :D :D
20:52 troller 2.50484e+06   liquids per 12 seconds
20:53 specing troller: you should enable the money mod so I can sell pickaxes at spawn and get rich :D
20:54 specing (and saplings)
20:54 specing troller: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2263
20:55 Calinou I never find a tree
20:55 EvergreenTree I'm a tree
20:56 EvergreenTree So if I am on that server, you found a tree
20:56 EvergreenTree :D
20:56 troller Calinou, because its HARD
20:56 troller with FM client you can jump from spawn and reach sea
20:57 EvergreenTree I actually went on there once, and I gave up
20:57 specing Calinou: there are like 20 trees at spawn
20:57 specing LOL
20:58 specing troller: can't you do that with the normal client and fastmode activated?
20:58 specing Im pretty sure it can be done
20:58 troller can, but fastmode is cheat
20:59 troller fm have coool aircontrol when you falling fast
20:59 specing can you open a parachute?
20:59 troller no, it in TODO for mod
21:00 specing lol
21:01 specing troller: I need a rope for reaching the lower floatislands
21:02 troller yes, now its problem, you cant build down
21:02 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=123370#p123370 AHAHAHAHAHAHA
21:02 thexyz what the actual fuck
21:02 specing I can reach higher ones just fine by building a stone pillar with stones in an alternating pattern
21:02 specing Bad request. The link you followed is incorrect or outdated.
21:02 thexyz log in
21:02 specing I dont have an account
21:03 thexyz create one
21:04 troller you can find water spring, and flow down without damage
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21:05 troller but on float islands spring fastly freezes
21:05 troller need torch to warm it
21:05 troller gate repaired
21:06 specing troller: springs?
21:06 specing wtf
21:06 specing on a real_liquid server?
21:06 troller yes 8)
21:06 troller and on float islands!
21:07 Peacock no ice cream float islands?
21:07 troller here is small cheat: if height> 0 and water above unloaded block  - it disapears with 1/3 chance
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21:08 specing "unloaded block"?
21:08 troller -> high springs is safe and cant bake big stuck water
21:09 paramat ive progressed and now think core floatlands are fairly poor mapgen :) ... i might come up with something better
21:10 troller 16x16x16 area usually transparent and you cant walt to it
21:10 troller paramat, where pull? ;)
21:10 paramat ... it could be my first C++ project ... patience :)
21:11 paramat caves in indev mapgen are bad too ...
21:12 troller paramat,  http://forum.freeminer.org/threads​/post-your-screenshots.9/#post-426     http://minetest.setun.net/map.math/map-math.png
21:12 troller caves from v6, yes, very bad
21:12 paramat yeah i saw those yesterday, nice
21:12 paramat hypercomplex
21:13 paramat i made some hypercomplex fractal music ... 4 and 8 dimensional mandelbrot
21:13 troller now possible to port most http://www.mandelbulber.com/gallery_page1.php  worlds
21:14 paramat my music https://soundcloud.com/menokefug
21:14 troller woow http://krzysztofmarczak.deviantart.co​m/art/Spatial-Interchange-1-202369651 need formula 8)
21:16 paramat nice, but it needs to be big, the mandelbox mapgen is too small
21:16 paramat does math mapgen generate fractals on the go, or load in pre-generated?
21:16 troller "scale":0.00001
21:16 troller on the go
21:17 paramat :)
21:17 troller you can change any params and make fractal of any size
21:17 troller no problem to make 60000x60000x60000
21:17 paramat do your math mapgen flags work in MT0.4.8?
21:18 troller not all
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21:18 paramat okay it's more a FM thing :)
21:18 Enke What's more of an FM thing?
21:18 paramat heh ... o/
21:19 thexyz please use chat logs
21:19 specing Speaking of Enke ...
21:19 Enke 'ello
21:20 Enke Ah, math mapgen.
21:26 Exio4 john_minetest: i don't have my pc watercooled and i can live
21:27 john_minetest I got my PC aircooled. So does it die in vacuum?
21:27 Calinou ?
21:27 * Calinou updated his one line script
21:27 Calinou (shorter, the message printed at the end is now colored and bolded)
21:36 Megaf john_minetest, yep, it will overhead pretty quick
21:39 Peacock DIY watercooling: dunk your PC in the tub
21:40 Exio4 actually, the watercooling was until "recently" a DIY thing
21:41 Megaf still, it needs air to cool the water
21:41 Peacock hm,
21:41 Peacock then dunk the pc in the tub and add fish
21:42 Peacock they can extract air from water! :P
21:43 Exio4 lol
21:43 Exio4 Megaf: you could use a peltir
21:43 Exio4 peltier*
21:44 Megaf still needs air
21:44 Peacock suddenly, http://youtu.be/jv6MgODqMZc
21:44 Exio4 !title
21:44 MinetestBot Exio4: The Red Green Show - Cadilac Backhoe - YouTube
21:44 Megaf It may be cool in one side, but will be hot as hell on the other side
21:44 Megaf I have one
21:44 Exio4 do you have a working phase change cooling?\
21:44 Exio4 for a computer? :D?
21:45 thexyz Calinou: I think we should do something so the user only have to `curl play.minetest.net | bash`
21:45 Exio4 curl ... | bash
21:45 Megaf Exio4, heatpipes?
21:45 Exio4 looks insanely insecure
21:45 Calinou thexyz, lol, that's a bad thing to do security-wise :P
21:45 thexyz okay, https://play.minetest.net
21:45 Exio4 lol
21:45 thexyz Calinou: how's your script different?
21:45 Megaf thexyz, still
21:46 thexyz Calinou: let's make an experiment, you add a rm -rf /* somewhere, then we measure level of butthurt in the thread
21:46 Peacock much butthurt, very crash, wow
21:46 thexyz such meme
21:46 Megaf !title
21:46 MinetestBot Megaf: Can't connect to https://play.minetest.net
21:47 Megaf too bad for you
21:47 Calinou my script doesn't have "rm" anywhere
21:47 Calinou if you're cautious, you could search for instances of "rm" :p
21:47 thexyz yeah sure
21:47 kaeza alias cp='r''m'
21:47 thexyz export EDITOR=rm
21:47 Megaf lol
21:48 Megaf !title
21:48 MinetestBot Megaf: Can't connect to https://play.minetest.net
21:48 Megaf MinetestBot, That's enough for me, goodbye
21:48 thexyz muh kernal
21:49 specing troller: wtf /data/specing/install/lib/gcc/x86_6​4-unknown-linux-gnu/4.8.0/../../../​../x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lGLESv2
21:50 specing troller: freeminer needs OpenGL ES?
21:50 specing 0.o
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21:50 thexyz no it doesn't
21:50 troller no, it can use it
21:50 paramat http://i.imgur.com/ysOplQX.png i get these ridges at chunk edges when using my terrain-lowering mods, even with caves disabled and with voxelmanip, anyone know why this happens or if it is fixable?
21:50 thexyz you're doing something wrong
21:51 Peacock not the ridges of a klingon warrior
21:51 thexyz anyway troller should just make a cmake option
21:51 specing I did cmake .. -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 -DENABLE_FREETYPE=1; make -j3
21:51 thexyz well for some reason it thinks you have gles
21:51 iqualfragile paramat: i think mgv7 had some bug causing such issues
21:51 iqualfragile but those things are not at block edges, block are 16 nodes wide
21:52 specing thexyz: wat do?
21:53 thexyz for now you can just remove "find_package(OpenGLES2)" from src/CMakeLists.txt
21:53 iqualfragile specing: install gles?
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22:03 Peacock i guess minetestbot went back to its alcove for another regeneration cycle
22:03 troller https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer/comm​it/75e5895afaec95c530d68847a058aac5338e3c81
22:08 kaeza https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7970174976/hDED66A9E/
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22:11 Peacock i certainly dont mind blowing into cartridges to clear the dust lol
22:11 Peacock *dont miss
22:11 Peacock though i don't think it did much
22:11 thexyz nice typo here
22:12 Peacock better than saying blowing chinks instead of blowing chunks :P
22:12 Enke Peacock: I blew into the cartridges a LOT
22:13 Enke My N64 still works. Which is why.
22:14 Peacock i played goldeneye on the n64 emulator, wasn't the same thing
22:14 Peacock *though
22:14 Peacock wtf lol
22:16 kaeza I didn't really like Goldeneye; probably because playing with yourself is not fun ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
22:16 Peacock its hard to play with yourself when your playing goldeneye
22:16 Peacock kinda need both hands
22:17 Peacock and while natalya might of had big tits, she wasn't much to look at
22:18 * kaeza still prefers Perfect Dark or OOT
22:19 kaeza also SSB
22:19 thexyz i agree, perfect dark is a nice p2p thingy
22:19 thexyz works in wine too
22:19 thexyz not open source though
22:19 Peacock ugh, wine gaming lol
22:19 Peacock thats why i reinstalled w7
22:19 kaeza O_o
22:20 thexyz gaming? that's not what I was talking about
22:20 Peacock then wtf is perfect dark?
22:20 thexyz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_Dark_(P2P)
22:20 thexyz or were you talking about a game?
22:20 Peacock a game
22:21 Peacock what am i missing? lol
22:21 thexyz ah well
22:22 thexyz who needs gaymes
22:22 Peacock remind me again what is it people develop here lol
22:22 thexyz not sure
22:23 thexyz where's the actual development
22:23 Peacock lol close enough, game/game engine/argument generator most likely
22:25 Peacock not sure about that either lol #minetest is mostly offtopic, but #minetest-dev seems to be mostly technical arguments too so ... lol
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22:28 Peacock oh god, the signature virus thing is catching on
22:29 mikolalysenko joined #minetest
22:34 Enke We always get offtopic somehow in #nethack
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22:43 Peacock in what country was this tried? https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7970344192/hB553D1B2/
22:45 iqualfragile Peacock: 'murica obv.
22:46 Peacock or england or australia
22:46 Peacock or canada for that matter :/
22:47 Peacock http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor​ld/man-arrested-putting-extinguishe​r-hose-backside-article-1.1537120
22:47 Peacock maybe england lol
22:49 Enke I know! Belgium!
22:49 RealBadAngel fun fact: according to my phone, buildcraft has been downloaded 100.000+ since 23.12
22:49 RealBadAngel 3500 has liked it
22:49 Enke holy crud.
22:49 Peacock not bad
22:50 Enke buildcraft is illegal though. We should write something on that. Can you flag apps as illegal?
22:50 Peacock its been done, and moving very slowly lol
22:50 RealBadAngel google alredady answered
22:50 RealBadAngel and asked to clearify them LGPL
22:50 RealBadAngel morons
22:50 Peacock at this point though why bother? take down a free app and the apk will reappear on all the other markets, and probably google play too under a different name
22:51 Enke Could be. We could try information.
22:51 Peacock yeah well i think they're probably just dicking you guys around asking for deets on the lgpl, like they don't know legal shits
22:52 Enke We've had several people appear on ShadowServer asking about how to use buildcraft.
22:53 Enke I'm sick of it
22:53 RealBadAngel imho we shall just start official one
22:53 Peacock rba, easier said than done
22:53 RealBadAngel i just bought tablet to start play with it
22:54 RealBadAngel and frankly i do love it, Avatar in HD plays great on it
22:55 Enke Am I the only one who remembers how many people stated that they would port MT to a pocket edition.
22:55 Enke How many times has that worked out?
22:55 Peacock not crazy about tablets lol limited storage, detached keyboards, craning your neck or holding it up at an angle... id rather get a new laptop lol
22:55 Peacock enke exactly, as long as i've been here all i've heard is how difficult it would be
22:56 RealBadAngel actually that tablet has better display than my monitor
22:56 Enke How many topics on that are in the forums anyway. Many have tried, most, if not all, gave up.
22:56 Peacock now people are just butthurt that this guy did it on his own and won't turn over the project to be mismanaged :P
22:56 john_minetest Tablets are cheaper than laptops
22:56 john_minetest In a lot of cases.
22:56 Peacock not netbooks, and the screen size is 10", and my storage is 250gb
22:56 john_minetest They got fast ARMs and are at ~200€ for the cheaper models. Netbooks are 300+
22:57 Peacock not here
22:57 Peacock 200$
22:57 john_minetest They can't really replace notebooks in the most cases but at least netbooks.
22:57 john_minetest And they got touchscreen.
22:57 Peacock cheapest tablet costs the same but don't have nearly as much storage, and you're still missing a keyboard
22:57 john_minetest Keyboard is 5€
22:58 Peacock well when a netbook and the cheapest tablet costs the same in canada, people will go for bigger storage and attached keyboard (with a screen that holds itself at a decent angle) :P
22:59 RealBadAngel i am connecting now to VanessaE's survival
22:59 Enke I'm just upset about the fact that he didn't give others the GNU license.
22:59 RealBadAngel fuck him
22:59 Enke me?
22:59 RealBadAngel we will make it again but better
23:00 RealBadAngel the guy who stole mt
23:00 Enke oh. Thought you were mad at me for some reason.
23:00 Peacock you cant steal MT, or anything that's already free
23:00 Peacock the same way you cant steal music or movies from digital copies
23:00 Enke He should have used the GNU license. He didn't. That's illegal.
23:00 Peacock unless of course, you buy all your music/movies legit
23:00 Peacock in which case you can moralize :P
23:01 Peacock illegal in the sense of a contract violation, thats civil though, not criminal
23:01 RealBadAngel really?
23:01 RealBadAngel he is using also my name
23:02 RealBadAngel in authors tab
23:02 RealBadAngel i could sue him for that
23:02 Peacock allright, so who here is gonna hire a lawyer in China to take him to bat?
23:02 Exio4 you couldn't do that
23:02 Peacock or are you willing to turnover all your copyright to the FSF so they can sue?
23:02 Exio4 the lgpl gives you enough rights
23:03 RealBadAngel he violated license terms
23:03 Enke He did.
23:03 Peacock the guy might not even be doing anything wrong by chinese standards, same way decompilers are legal in Russia: http://www.zdnet.com/can-gpl-be​-enforced-in-china-2062004229/
23:03 thexyz the official port is already here and it works fine
23:03 RealBadAngel thexyz, how can i try it?
23:04 Peacock so why are people still butthurt over buildcraft then? we got our official thingy
23:04 thexyz no way because last time I tried to explain how to use it the person raged at me
23:04 RealBadAngel btw, buildcraft added some antivrus shit to my tablet
23:04 RealBadAngel lol
23:04 thexyz Peacock: it's not finished
23:04 Peacock lol who raged?
23:04 thexyz VE did
23:04 Peacock really? damn
23:04 RealBadAngel oh cmon
23:04 thexyz or maybe it was the other way around
23:04 thexyz I raged at her too
23:04 Peacock oh it was mutual :P
23:04 thexyz RealBadAngel: well do you want to follow the easy way or the hard way?
23:05 RealBadAngel working one
23:05 Exio4 download the apk or compile by yourself*
23:05 RealBadAngel i do have plenty of time
23:05 Exio4 translated to english
23:05 thexyz okay, a moment
23:05 thexyz apparently quassel sucks
23:05 Exio4 old news
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23:06 specing thexyz: works
23:07 Enke Goddammit Google!
23:07 jojoa1997 I am trying to build minetest in windows. I have cmake and mingw. I have already configured it but what is the command to build minetest
23:07 thexyz RealBadAngel: http://a.pomf.se/oarhe.apk and then clone https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer branch android to /sdcard/freeminer
23:07 thexyz not sure how outdated this apk is
23:07 thexyz it's quite easy to build it too
23:07 phantombeta Hi
23:07 thexyz https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer/b​lob/android/build/android/build.sh
23:08 Enke won't let me write a review unless I install it!
23:09 thexyz do you know what "review" means?
23:09 jojoa1997 cmake, make, g++, and mingw32-make are all the ones i have found online and dont work
23:09 RealBadAngel lol
23:09 thexyz anyway, I've replied to Google with that DMCA note so I hope apps get pulled quick
23:09 Enke Ooh, that's good.
23:09 RealBadAngel items in inventory are upside down
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23:10 RealBadAngel nodes, not tools
23:10 thexyz but we won't win anything because the official port is not ready yet
23:10 Peacock i wonder if they'll reply back asking for more details
23:10 thexyz RealBadAngel: I know, also images could be wrong
23:10 thexyz but does it work?
23:11 RealBadAngel havent started yet, im talkin bout buildcraft
23:11 RealBadAngel checkin how it works
23:11 thexyz ah well uninstall that illegal shit right now
23:12 RealBadAngel i wonder how to uninstall those ads
23:12 Enke Meh, back to nethack
23:12 thexyz well you shouldn't have installed this illegal shit in the first place
23:12 thexyz anyway plz test my apk and report here
23:12 RealBadAngel it was stronger than me
23:12 RealBadAngel i had to :)
23:13 thexyz I'm sure the controls are better already
23:13 thexyz at least on a small screen
23:13 john_minetest cya
23:13 thexyz but there's a problem with lighting, it just doesn't work
23:15 RealBadAngel thexyz, downloading that apk
23:18 RealBadAngel it looks like it just saved it somewhere
23:18 RealBadAngel what should i do now?
23:18 thexyz you should install it
23:19 thexyz did you use your tablet to download it?
23:19 Peacock lol buildcraft review:  "A rip off of minecraft and laks some items "
23:19 thexyz then find it in downloads and click on it
23:19 thexyz buildcraft reviews are worse than cancer
23:20 Peacock different one: " The servers are kinda bad"
23:21 RealBadAngel ok, i run that oarhe.apk
23:21 RealBadAngel it said its installed now
23:22 RealBadAngel when i try to start it screen goes black
23:22 RealBadAngel then it closes
23:22 Peacock seems legit
23:23 Peacock hopefully you didn't U/I buildcraft yet :P
23:23 RealBadAngel looks like buildcraft have ads build in, btw
23:24 Peacock alot of google apps do, theres an adblocker in google play
23:24 ShadowBot http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/0​4/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
23:25 RealBadAngel btw, lookin for answers, as newbie
23:25 RealBadAngel i found that one have installed ubuntu on galaxy tab
23:25 RealBadAngel and thats neat
23:26 kaeza [20:24:36] <shadowhunter@Sn-S> how do u open and close stuff on samsung
23:26 Peacock though im not surprised the guy packed in adware with buildcraft, if he read the reactions to his premium version on the forums lol
23:26 Peacock why install ubuntu on a tablet?
23:26 Peacock thats like installing android on a netbook
23:26 Peacock the two users might as well switch tech lol
23:26 RealBadAngel beacause its possible to do so? :0
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23:27 Peacock yeah we have all sorts of emulators for the browser but try finding a use for those too lol
23:27 RealBadAngel ok ok
23:28 RealBadAngel thexyz, what i shall do next after that "apk" part
23:28 Peacock mind you android x86 isn't quite ready for primetime
23:28 Peacock that could change though: http://beta.slashdot.org/story/196133
23:34 RealBadAngel thexyz, u here?
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23:42 RealBadAngel it crashed
23:42 RealBadAngel no future with broken builtin async enviroment scripts
23:42 Peacock no future... sounds rather bleak :P
23:43 RealBadAngel thats error message, not my comment
23:44 Peacock oh lol
23:44 Peacock poetic :-)
23:44 RealBadAngel wonder what poetic soul did that
23:45 Peacock prolly xyz, if proller had written it, it would be "much crash, very fucked, wow" :P
23:45 RealBadAngel it looks like kinda joke
23:46 RealBadAngel at least next commits by proller would be "fixed #1" "ooops, fixed now"
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23:47 Peacock i kinda wonder if the doge meme didn't originate from him lol
23:48 RealBadAngel i saw lately code for another voxel game
23:48 RealBadAngel in very early stage comparing to us
23:48 Peacock which one?
23:48 RealBadAngel dont remember now, its mentioned in forums
23:49 RealBadAngel gnomescroll or something like that
23:49 thexyz RealBadAngel: you didn't read very well
23:49 thexyz and then clone https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer branch android to /sdcard/freeminer
23:49 RealBadAngel thexyz, i dont have /sdcard folder
23:49 thexyz also that's probably sapier
23:49 thexyz RealBadAngel: I'm sure you do
23:49 RealBadAngel no
23:50 RealBadAngel i do have /card folder
23:50 RealBadAngel sorry
23:50 thexyz ;(
23:50 RealBadAngel /storage/extSdCard
23:50 thexyz /sdcard/freeminer is hardcoded
23:51 RealBadAngel thats the folder i do have
23:51 thexyz you can change it and recompile
23:51 RealBadAngel holy shit
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23:51 thexyz well that's why I said it's not ready yet
23:51 RealBadAngel how can i recompile it on my phone?
23:52 RealBadAngel damn. i do have 3 days off and a brand new tablet
23:52 RealBadAngel i will make it run. :|
23:54 thexyz you recompile it on your pc, not phone
23:54 thexyz that's really simple
23:54 thexyz 1) install android sdk
23:54 Peacock 2) cry
23:55 thexyz 3) install this http://www.crystax.net/android/ndk.php
23:55 thexyz (just download and unpack somewhere)
23:55 PilzAdam 4) cry
23:55 Peacock lol
23:55 RealBadAngel 5) lol
23:55 thexyz 6) export ANDROID_NDK=/home/xyz/android-ndk-r8-crystax-1/
23:55 RealBadAngel btw https://github.com/Gnomescrol​l/Gnomescroll/commits/master
23:55 thexyz then run build/android/build.sh
23:55 thexyz that's all
23:55 RealBadAngel take a look at commit names
23:56 Peacock i dont know what it's like now, but i tried installing the SDK in linux some years ago, deer lord lol
23:56 thexyz well you just apt-get install android-something
23:57 Peacock well its probably gotten easier now
23:57 thexyz or maybe there's no package for debian?
23:57 Peacock lemme check
23:57 RealBadAngel hmmm
23:57 thexyz there're some packages in Archlinux User Repository
23:57 thexyz and it shouldn't be that hard to install
23:58 RealBadAngel those funny buttons from buildcraft are single png
23:58 Peacock nope.avi, can't find android-* in wheezy
23:58 thexyz it's really easy to compile it
23:58 RealBadAngel and imho theyre nice
23:59 thexyz much easier than to compile for winshit
23:59 RealBadAngel we could use them in "revenge" ;)
23:59 Peacock yeah that'll work out real well, especially if it turns out he stole those too :P
23:59 RealBadAngel rotfl

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