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00:07 phantombeta Hi
00:07 jin_xi hi phantombeta
00:08 phantombeta How's ti going?
00:08 phantombeta *it
00:08 jin_xi whats up?
00:09 phantombeta nm
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00:48 ShadowNinja ~topic add Merry Christmas!
00:48 Topic for #minetest is now 0.4.8 is released! | Website: http://minetest.net | Rules: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | Core Devs: #minetest-dev | Servers: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | IRC stats: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html | Merry Christmas!
00:52 kaeza http://cheezburger.com/144133 teh feelz
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01:14 Exio4 new year > xmas
01:23 VanessaE christmas?  is that some kind of holiday?
01:23 VanessaE ;)
01:24 VanessaE ah yes, the time of year when everyone goes insane while at the same time telling you to be nice to others.  got it.
01:24 VanessaE :D
01:25 kaeza does being drunk count as insane?
01:25 VanessaE nope
01:25 VanessaE that's just drunk
01:25 kaeza :<
01:25 VanessaE (and I don't do that until a week from now :) )
01:25 * kaeza is not insane then :D/
01:26 kaeza ...mostly
01:27 kaeza also wat teh duck? https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=123055#p123055
01:27 sapier if "insane" is opposite of "sane" I don't understand difference between normal state and holliday state ;-)
01:29 VanessaE haha
01:30 VanessaE kaeza: save a little for me? :)
01:32 kaeza never!
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01:32 VanessaE :<
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01:33 ShadowNinja Christmas > New year.  The new year is just a arbitrary day that someone decided to start the cakendar on.
01:34 VanessaE so's christmas.
01:34 VanessaE it celebrates a birth that, if it happened at all, happened ~6 months prior to the date on which it is traditionally celebrated.
01:34 iqualfragile ShadowNinja: so is christmas
01:34 iqualfragile its even worse
01:35 VanessaE (nevermind all the pagan celebrations that took place on the same date, which predated the advent of christmas)
01:35 ShadowNinja Well, it's hard to get it perfect when it happened so long ago. :-)
01:35 iqualfragile its not abitrary, it was choosen on purpose to destroy pagean culture
01:35 ShadowNinja Wut?
01:35 VanessaE iqualfragile: I'd say that attempt was a miserable failure :)
01:35 sapier VanessaE https://github.com/sapier/min​etest/tree/server_improvement  a small christmas present, polished version, average download rate on lan >1mb, data/loss ration 4:1 ... not quite sure where those packets are lost, but I don't know if previous version was any better,
01:36 iqualfragile VanessaE: i might be missusing some words, i would love to check them online, but i have no access to ipv4 atm
01:36 sapier no noticable lag on players connectng
01:36 sapier iqualfragile is yesterday's version still running at your server?
01:36 iqualfragile sapier: yes, and i can not connect to it atm
01:36 iqualfragile to update
01:37 sapier ok :-) so not a problem with it
01:37 iqualfragile not realy
01:37 iqualfragile besides the crashing
01:37 iqualfragile but thats due to mobf
01:37 sapier btw I can't reproduce the crashing localy ;-/
01:38 iqualfragile yay!
01:38 iqualfragile well, i sadly can on the server
01:38 iqualfragile its using the master branch
01:38 sapier there's to be another difference between yours and my version, or it's something not happening everytime but more rare
01:38 Hirato you know what that means
01:39 VanessaE sapier: you sure it's safe to run the server with this?
01:39 Hirato -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug
01:39 sapier "sure" is a very hard word :-)
01:39 VanessaE sounds like it might not be quite ready for a wide-scale test yet :)
01:39 VanessaE iqualfragile: what kind of crashes?
01:40 sapier I'd give it a try for sure i even did a 100 bot connection test against it without issues ... despite my pc beeing down on his knees due to cpu load ;-)
01:40 iqualfragile ShadowNinja: in case jesus was real there is a high propability that he was born in summer, the church intentionally put christmas on the 24th dec to destroy the "wintersonnenwendenfest" (celebrating the shortest day in the year because that means that every following one will be brighter and warmer)
01:40 VanessaE sapier: I'm not proller, I don't launch off with 100 bots at a time at my server :)
01:40 VanessaE my poor little VPS would barf at that :)
01:40 iqualfragile VanessaE: mobf crashes
01:41 sapier VanessaE it is as good as it can become without more stressfull testing
01:41 VanessaE it only has 1GB of RAM to run 5 servers
01:41 VanessaE ok, I'll deploy it then
01:41 iqualfragile VanessaE: i still do not get why you are running 5 servers in paralel
01:41 sapier I'd start with a single server only but I guess you know better then me how to handle this
01:42 VanessaE iqualfragile:  be....cause 5 VPSs would cost me $100/mo and people play on all 5 of these servers that I run?
01:42 ShadowNinja iqualfragile: Meh, everyone can form their own theory, there are surely a dozen other celebrations on that day that you could argue the same for.
01:43 iqualfragile VanessaE: why not berge them?
01:43 Hirato you know what sucks most about "fast" privs - you take damage just running into things
01:43 iqualfragile ShadowNinja: no,  you can not, those are prooven historic facts
01:43 VanessaE iqualfragile: been there, had that discussion.  the result was not to merge the servers because their respective communities are too divrse.
01:43 VanessaE diverse*
01:44 iqualfragile Hirato: no, you dont, you get damage for falling down too far
01:44 ShadowNinja iqualfragile: A pope has publicly said that?  Or how do you know?
01:44 Hirato iqualfragile: run into a wall straight ahead, and you lose hearts, if you were running fast
01:44 iqualfragile ShadowNinja: oh dear, may i recommend you to get a litle education before discussing things
01:44 ShadowNinja Minetest doesn't have vertical damage, Terasology does.
01:45 iqualfragile Hirato: oh… that never happened to me
01:45 ShadowNinja Er, horizontal.
01:45 VanessaE ShadowNinja: there have been numerous historians who have made studies that have proven at least the basic roots of Christmas and in particular its symbols such as the Yule log, the tree, wreath, the date of Dec. 25, and other things.  These are indeed all well-researched facts.
01:45 ShadowNinja iqualfragile: So you have no proof?
01:45 iqualfragile ShadowNinja: look above
01:46 VanessaE the question of Jesus' birth being in June is more murky but more likely than in winter, as I have read it.
01:46 iqualfragile ShadowNinja: yo do not have _any_ kind of proof there would be some kind of god, so we can end this discussion, cant we?
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01:46 ShadowNinja That have proven Christmas, it's date and the like?  How do you prove a date?
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01:47 VanessaE ShadowNinja: I mean, they have proven the origins of the date - why that date was chosen
01:47 ShadowNinja iqualfragile: On the contrary there is, but lets not start a religion war.
01:48 VanessaE now to say that it was chosen "to destroy pagans" is a bit extreme.
01:48 iqualfragile ShadowNinja: pm me, you win 5$ if you can actually prove the existence of god
01:48 VanessaE it was chosen to capitalize on celebrations that were already being held on that date prior to Christianity taking root.
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01:48 iqualfragile VanessaE: it was, christianity was allways a converting religion, it was easier to convert paegans if you just let them celebrate the same things a bit different
01:49 iqualfragile for the same reason "holy" people exist, most of them can be mapped to paegan gods
01:49 VanessaE iqualfragile: perhaps so.  I am not christian so I can't speak for that religion.  I can only speak from an academic point of view.
01:51 iqualfragile im not paegan either, i just am quite sure that christianity has caused many crimes against humanity and is about to throw america into a 2nd medial age
01:51 iqualfragile (as in: dark age)
01:53 ShadowNinja Crimes against humanity?  If anything, the church is the opposite of that.  (Although there are some religions that support some less-than-admirable things)
01:56 Exio4 crimes against the progress of the humanity
01:57 Exio4 lets talk, they fucked up everything that was trying to explain the 'black holes' or things that made and make nonsense in the biblie
01:57 Exio4 like my small sister asked the other day, "where would you put the native people in the biblie, when they were created if they existed before they knew our god?"
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01:58 Exio4 we had to explain her that there are different religions and that bullshit
01:59 Exio4 i can't understand how someone could 'trust' or do shit based on some bullshit that has black holes and is known to fuck up the tries to solve those
02:02 VanessaE sapier: your build is staged for my servers.  as soon as they restart, it'll be deployed.
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02:04 sapier thanks hope it's gonna work as expected
02:07 VanessaE me too :)
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02:32 VanessaE sapier: ok, all five servers deployed.
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02:35 sapier thanks vanessae let's wait for results :-)
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02:55 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Remove FPS from window title 4b31a38ae9 2013-12-24T18:52:44-08:00 http://git.io/J22vxw
02:56 VanessaE sapier: [12-24 21:43] <cheapie2> VanessaE: I can't login after the update. It gets stuck at "Item Definitions". I have the latest client.
02:57 sapier :-/ did he try a second time yet?
02:57 iqualfragile good night
02:57 VanessaE sapier: he must have.  oh well, back to ye olde drawing board.
02:58 PilzAdam bye
02:58 sapier does this happen to him only?
02:59 VanessaE it seems it was happening to everyone :(
02:59 VanessaE lots of sign-ons, no actual activity
02:59 sapier argh
03:00 VanessaE YOU BWOKE IT! :'(
03:00 VanessaE :D
03:00 jin_xi didnt you mention some limit to texture sizes?
03:00 sapier vanessae is way from it
03:01 VanessaE not even close
03:01 VanessaE my largest is 8.9MB and I don't use it on the server
03:02 VanessaE I use strictly default textures
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03:02 sapier ok lets find out why old client's don't seem to behave as well as with iqualfragiles version
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03:06 rambomedic is there any way to "debug"/"benchmark" minetest to see min/max/avg fps?
03:06 rambomedic I want to see a before and after the removing fps from titlebar
03:10 VanessaE rambomedic: you'll just have to compare it the "hard" way - with it in the title versus without (look in the F6 profiler displays, it's also shown there)
03:10 VanessaE there's no benchmark as such, you just have to see how it behaves in genera;
03:10 VanessaE general*
03:10 rambomedic ugh, but minetest is fluctuative for me
03:10 rambomedic some times it running smooth as butter 60
03:10 Hirato so.. business as usual?
03:11 rambomedic and then randomly it'll drop to 30
03:11 rambomedic and stay there right at 30
03:11 rambomedic and then go back to 60
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03:35 rambomedic how do you disable framerate limit?
03:36 rambomedic (in minetest.conf)
03:36 rambomedic nevermind it's fps_max
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03:42 DMackey Vanessa, Thank you for your support, You are a good person.
03:42 VanessaE wow, that was quick :)
03:42 DMackey LOL I'm sitting in the man cave on FB and IRC of course
03:43 VanessaE you're welcome.  I wish I could do more than that :-/
03:43 DMackey I've had more support from my C= friends than anyone else.
03:44 DMackey I'm talking with Alan Reed on FB now, making ECCC 2014 plans.
03:44 VanessaE cool
03:44 VanessaE I was gonna suggest listening to some of the raunchy comedy stuff abe and I have been listening to lately
03:44 DMackey I'm going even if I have to use the credit card to pay my way, Will be going with Jbevren again.
03:44 VanessaE Ho Ho Fucking Ho, Chipmunks Roasting on an Open Fire, etc.
03:44 DMackey makes everything 1/2 the cost that way. we split everything
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03:46 VanessaE good deal.  Glad you and jb are still getting together.  is he still up in upstate NY?  I'm so out of the loop anymore, I don't remember shit :)
03:46 DMackey Well you know where we hang out.. u is always welcome anytime.
03:46 VanessaE I know
03:47 VanessaE looks over at C128 setup gathering dust..
03:47 DMackey Yes, Dave is great to Road Trip with, Interesting chat to and from the expo. I sure wish I had that kind of smarts..
03:47 VanessaE *looks over at PC to the right, still in its C= branded gaming case*
03:47 * DMackey gives Vanessa a kick in the pants toward the C128
03:47 VanessaE at least I still have my stuff :_)
03:47 VanessaE :)
03:48 DMackey Yes and thats a good thing, Don;t you EVER get rid of your stuff... Better to let it collect dust till the urge happens again.
03:48 VanessaE you have WAY more smarts than you give yourself credit for :)
03:48 sapier vanessae aren't your servers back at master?
03:48 VanessaE sapier: indeed so.
03:48 VanessaE I backed off to git HEAD after cheapie reported non-connect issues
03:48 VanessaE (or rather, hang-after-connect)
03:49 sapier join/leave is still strange
03:49 VanessaE oh?
03:49 VanessaE OH!
03:49 VanessaE DMackey: I never told you did I?
03:49 DMackey I'm glad you are taking a break to dfo the minetest stuff, you are good at everything you do.
03:49 VanessaE that guy from ebay?  Tim harris?
03:49 VanessaE shareware-something-or-other
03:49 VanessaE ?
03:49 DMackey nope
03:49 VanessaE you know the one right?  who sells the DAC stuff?
03:50 DMackey I think so, I think I told you about hime selling something or other of yours..
03:50 VanessaE lemme rephrase - you know th guy from eBay who sells my DAC stuff now - Tim Harris, shareware-something-or-other whatever his ebay nickname was....  well, he's going to production with the 1MB REU project!
03:51 VanessaE sapier: strange how?
03:51 DMackey AWESOME!! I've had a few people ask about that cart.
03:51 VanessaE sapier: bear in mind I disallow non-cURL builds.  do I need to disable that patch?
03:51 DMackey My cart never leaves the RamLINK \o/ I LOVE that cart.
03:52 DMackey Sure is better than that stock C= REUs IMO
03:52 sapier no idea why this should have an effect to it
03:52 VanessaE DMackey: yes :)   he's got the designs and just today he paid me for the remainder of my stock of Lattice GAL22V10's, most of which if I remember right I already wrote the fuse map to that he'll need (though I sent him the data files for that too)
03:52 VanessaE I'll ship them off on thursday via WizardNJ
03:53 VanessaE sapier: gimme a sec.
03:53 VanessaE I'll revert that patch anyway
03:54 sapier wait a second I just made an additional fix to make server kick malicious clients instead ot asserting I'm just testing it against current master prior merging
03:55 VanessaE sapier: done.
03:55 VanessaE my servers are 100% minetest git HEAD, no patches
03:56 sapier argh git head is so broken as of networking :-)
03:56 VanessaE heh
03:56 VanessaE isn't the whole damn repo equally broken in that regard? ;)
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04:05 sapier actually master sometimes behaves like a malicious client ... and there doesn't seem to be a way to remove a peer :-)
04:05 VanessaE yheh
04:05 VanessaE heh
04:09 sapier ok pushed I tried connection to a local server, a remote server using master client, remote server using 0.4.8, and remote server fixed client
04:10 VanessaE ok
04:10 * VanessaE pulls
04:11 VanessaE gime a few
04:11 sapier but old clients suffer about random network stalls on initial texture downloading again. I now stick to correct package transmission again... thought this could be fixed serverside only yesterday but it can't
04:11 VanessaE oh
04:12 VanessaE so either way, the moniker "media_FUBAR" still applies :)
04:12 sapier it's not worse then original ;-)
04:12 sapier and is fixed if you use a fixed client ;-)
04:12 sapier but you don't have to deny non curl clients any longer ;-)
04:13 VanessaE ok your current HEAD is ready to go if you're sure it'll work with old clients this time ;)
04:14 sapier it does work in my tests
04:14 VanessaE ok, let's give it a shot.
04:16 VanessaE ok, you're up :)
04:18 VanessaE ok, I can get in
04:18 VanessaE with current minetest git HEAD
04:19 VanessaE cheapie gets stuck at "item definitions"
04:19 VanessaE I did too, but it woke up on its own
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04:33 Enke Merry Christmas everyone.
04:34 NakedFury same to you
04:36 Enke Thanks
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04:38 Enke Okay, I have been doing research on Ubuntu, and am entertaining the thought of getting it. I also noted that in the README for Minetest I saw instructions for compiling with Debian/Ubuntu, which I was told was ridiculously easy. Does that extend to Ubuntu's derivatives? Like Kubuntu, Lubuntu, etc.
04:40 Exio4 kubuntu, lubuntu, shitbuntu, all those are the same distro with a different pre-install "preset" of applications
04:40 Exio4 pre-installed*
04:40 sapier vanessae? did you succeed?
04:40 Exio4 there are commands for switching 'between *buntus' without formating too, just using apt-get install and apt-get remove ;P
04:41 Exio4 s/commands/tutorials
04:41 Enke Interesting.
04:41 sapier I gave up ubuntu 2 years ago after it was impossible to get multi graca support there
04:41 us_0gb The instructions do extend to the actual derivatives such as Trisquel and Mint though.
04:42 Enke us_0gb: Got it.
04:42 Enke sapier: What do you use now?
04:42 VanessaE succeed in what?
04:42 VanessaE who?
04:42 VanessaE where?
04:42 VanessaE huh?
04:42 sapier debian :-)
04:42 VanessaE O_o
04:42 sapier I just pushed the fix for your 100% cpu load ;-)
04:43 VanessaE OH
04:43 VanessaE I didn't try it yet :)
04:43 sapier commit messages is about 20times bigger then fix
04:43 VanessaE I was busy with hubby's machine
04:43 Enke Alright.
04:43 sapier have you been able to join with latest master client vanessae?
04:43 VanessaE Enke: yes, it's quite easy to do.  in the readme, there are instructions.
04:44 Enke VanessaE: Yep, I saw them. :-)
04:45 VanessaE sapier: I was able to join the one time I tried yes.  gimme a bit to get my brain back in order :)
04:48 rambomedic unfortunately the majority of software maintainers fail to maintain instructions for rpm-based distros
04:48 rambomedic (which are generally much shorter)
04:50 VanessaE sapier: done.
04:50 VanessaE they're restarting.
04:50 VanessaE give it a minute
04:51 Hirato it's so easy in Arch
04:51 Hirato yaourt -S minetest-git :D
04:53 Hirato http://pastebin.com/WhqYvysD so easy I spice it up by doing stuff like this
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06:45 leo_rockway Hirato: why do you have jit as depends and make depends?
06:47 leo_rockway also, why do you need to comment OpenGLES2? is that something related to your own config?
06:51 leo_rockway and I see that your build has gettext and freetype enabled, but gettext and freetype2 aren't depends.
06:51 leo_rockway I do like the mods parts a lot. I might copy that for my own PKGBUILD =]
06:59 sfan5 hi everyone
07:00 leo_rockway I just noticed that the parallax, bumpmapping, water waves and plants waving are in master o.o
07:00 leo_rockway sfan5: hi =]
07:00 * sfan5 throws a kitten at leo_rockway
07:01 leo_rockway huzzah!
07:01 * leo_rockway pets said kitten
07:02 leo_rockway are there any near-future plans to include mobs as core and not as a mod?
07:02 leo_rockway I'd like to see some animals, but both Lua mods kill my comp.
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09:07 john_minetest Hello everychristmasunicorn
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09:25 Lynxx hello everyone :)
09:30 john_minetest Hey Lynxx
09:30 Lynxx what's up? :3
09:31 john_minetest Not much
09:32 john_minetest Watching minetest Let's plays on youtube.
09:32 john_minetest :D
09:34 Issa2013 john_minetest, link
09:34 Issa2013 i want see that :)
09:36 Lynxx there's been a lot of people doing those recently
09:38 john_minetest Issa2013: It is a german Let's play
09:39 john_minetest When you search for "minetest" and set the filter to "today" you will find like 10 or 20 videos. Mostly Let's plays.
09:40 Lynxx yeah a lot of german lp's :)
09:42 Lynxx grrrr can't get this dumb grass texture to look right =.=
09:42 Issa2013 john_minetest, in live is better
09:43 john_minetest in live?
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09:59 Issa2013 yes for minecraft  u can see many video
09:59 Issa2013 with man talk about some many mods
09:59 Issa2013 in minetest is just a ...
10:03 john_minetest There are several people doing minetest Let's plays.
10:03 john_minetest Of course not so many people.
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10:14 john_minetest Minetest videos uploaded today: https://www.youtube.com/results?filters=tod​ay&amp;search_query=minetest&amp;lclk=today
10:14 john_minetest 13 videos.
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10:24 Jordach merry fucking christmas
10:26 fairiestoy The only good at christmas is, when you burn the tree down
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10:43 john_minetest Epic: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116680#p116680
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11:02 VanessaE I hate computers, and G*d damn it I hate programmers.  at least the pig-headed ones who think their code is bug-free.
11:02 VanessaE good morning sapier (eh, bad timing, that ^^^^ does not refer to youy)
11:02 VanessaE -y
11:03 Jordach merry fucking christmas VanessaE
11:03 VanessaE hey Jordach
11:03 proller VanessaE, you can buy good i7 server for 40 euro/month - it can handle 10+ mt servers
11:03 sapier actually it's quite true for me to I got up recently
11:04 VanessaE "Ho ho fucking ho, what a crock of shit.  we all work for Santa Claus, we've had enough, we quit.  'cause we do all the fuckin' work while he stars in the show, so stick your Christmas up your arse, ho ho fucking ho."
11:04 VanessaE :D
11:04 sapier btw I always assume my code to be buggy ;-) even after ages of testing
11:05 VanessaE Jordach: I'm pissed at the Ubuntu team and the Linux kernel team for fucking up such a basic concept as S3 Suspend to Ram
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11:05 sapier VanessaE I've fixed the crash-bug you run into yesterday (at least I think so), Yet I don't have any idea why master is stuck on itemdefs
11:06 VanessaE sapier: it doesn't always get stuck, per se, sometimes it just kinda hangs there for several seconds and then moves on, almost like it loses a packet or something
11:07 sapier Unless you're way more patient with "several seconds" it's different for me as it doesn't seem to continue ever
11:08 VanessaE sapier: more likely I was just lucky :)
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11:09 sapier the interesting question is what packet can be lost to stuck client, all reliables are resent
11:09 VanessaE it's just a guess, I'm probably way off
11:09 sapier and once I run into that issue my master client won't even bother to send a disconnect on pressing escape
11:09 sapier or at least it won't arrive at server
11:10 * Jordach has had that
11:10 sapier jordach? client not sending a disconnect?
11:11 Jordach oh yes
11:11 sapier for what versions?
11:18 Jordach dunno, hitting esc when joing VES sometimes causes it
11:19 sapier ok so that shutdown issue may be unrelated to the hang :-(
11:19 VanessaE Jordach: ditto.
11:19 VanessaE my "client quit" packet usually never arrives. the server has to time me out then.
11:20 Hirato leo_rockway: because if I don't comment out GLES2, this happens: https://dl.dropboxusercontent​.com/u/23891252/minetest.png
11:21 Hirato leo_rockway: I've reported a bug, but so far there's been no response
11:21 sapier hmm why did I fix that issue for my new code if it was there before ;-/
11:21 Hirato leo_rockway: and don't ask me about the make depends and depends, I just hacked the REALLY old PKGBUILD together :P
11:23 Hirato VanessaE: there are no bugs, only misfeatures ;)
11:23 sapier VanessaE do you have time to do another try so I can have a look what's going on in master?
11:25 VanessaE sapier: not right now, I'm actually up rather late again, bed time fairly soon
11:25 VanessaE been arguing with my PC.
11:26 sapier ok no problem :-) maybe I find a way to reproduce
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12:23 iqualfragile sapier: should i update?
12:23 sapier I suggest to yes
12:23 iqualfragile or is the updated version more broken then the one i am running atm?
12:23 iqualfragile (VanessaEs testresults suggest that)
12:24 sapier it's better in may ways but there's a problem with current master beeing stuck on loading itemdefs ... I can't reproduce it with my own local servers
12:24 iqualfragile lets see if i can reproduce it
12:25 sapier so 50:50 chance this wil happen for your server too ... but 0.4.8 can connect fine
12:27 iqualfragile Taoki[laptop]: can you please implement media caching for models?
12:27 iqualfragile thx
12:27 Taoki[laptop] iqualfragile: IIRC it already exists
12:27 iqualfragile Taoki[laptop]: does not
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12:28 Taoki[laptop] Ah. I don't know how to do it then I think x_x
12:28 iqualfragile at least it does not work and my git cliend allways loads every model on connection from my git server
12:28 sapier wait models are handled different from textures?
12:28 iqualfragile suprized me, too
12:28 iqualfragile but pilzadam told me so
12:29 Taoki[laptop] I thought all media is handled the same when I implemented them
12:29 sapier strange I guess it's even more work to do it separate then to do it same way
12:30 iqualfragile sapier: can you try to join the server?
12:30 iqualfragile i had no problems whatsover
12:30 iqualfragile but i am using your version of the client
12:30 sapier minetestguild.de?
12:30 iqualfragile -test
12:31 sapier ok happens here too ... so lets debug
12:31 iqualfragile why do you call yourself sapier2?
12:32 sapier because I forgot password for sapier (again)
12:32 iqualfragile i can reset it if you want
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12:32 sapier I forget passwords regularly so I usually don't want to bother others to reset it
12:33 sapier at least not for testing accounts
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12:41 VanessaE there.  pain in my ass.
12:41 VanessaE computers are overcomplicated.
12:45 VanessaE now I think I'll go to bed before I shoot my computer.  good night.
12:46 sapier wow the supplied wireshark dissector is working (at least basicaly)
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12:53 sapier ok vanessae I thought I could reproduce it on iqualfragiles server but I wasn't patient enough seems to work fine with master
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13:01 markveidemanis Hi
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13:46 jin_xi john_minetest: yes its possible to do a books mod, but better ask lua and modding related stuff over here
13:46 john_minetest Okay.
13:47 john_minetest I think it would be great to have somthing like that in minetest_game. It won't change anything but it would make bookshelves useful.
13:47 john_minetest And books useful, too.
13:48 jin_xi well, write it ;)
13:49 fairiestoy john_minetest: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4773  like this?
13:51 john_minetest Yeah. Already saw that one.
13:52 fairiestoy Now you can improve it to seperate books as item in which can be written and then can be stored in the shelf
13:52 john_minetest I meant it more like: You craft a bookshelve with some books in it. The bookshelve acts like a books-only chest, so you can put books in it or take some out. This way you can simply write books and share them and store them.
13:52 jin_xi look at the allow_put function for inventories. you can make one for the bookshelf which only accepts books
13:53 john_minetest Thx.
13:54 john_minetest seems it is not in the api reference...
13:55 jin_xi allow_metadata_inventory_put
13:55 jin_xi sry, was writing from memory
13:58 * Jordach is drinking booze
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14:07 jin_xi brb
14:07 thexyz "such a basic concept as S3 Suspend to Ram"
14:07 thexyz "such a basic concept"
14:08 thexyz well go on and fix it then
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14:21 sapier basic concept is indeed funny it's like making a high speed train at full speed and all passengers stop immediatly and resume at exactly same speed and position hours later :-)
14:21 specing proller: furnace is weird again
14:24 proller too slow ?
14:26 specing I think you should install no_guest ;/
14:26 specing 30 people on
14:26 specing it doesen't seem to be lagging
14:26 specing it just doesent work
14:26 iqualfragile sapier: problem found/fixed?
14:27 specing I put wood in, it says furnace empty.
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14:27 specing "furnace out of fuel"
14:27 sapier no there wasn't a problem despite of strange download behaviour
14:31 markveidemanis Hi
14:32 markveidemanis Has anyone seen anyone by the name of 'Rhys' on any servers?
14:35 markveidemanis !seen Rhy5
14:35 iqualfragile sapier: strange download behaviour is a problem
14:35 sapier strange meaning wait some time then continue
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14:36 sapier it's result of broken network code in old clients I can't fix things in past ;-)
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14:43 specing proller: how do you farm?
14:43 specing does it have to be running water?
14:49 sapier iqualfragile did you recognize any more strange download behaviour then with current master?
14:50 john_minetest Jordach: Are you on VE survival?
14:50 iqualfragile sapier: no, not realy
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14:54 thexyz So hello all i decided to take minetest engine and build  my own game because its open souce :) […] I didnt understand the part when h said that i need compiler maybe sombody can help me with this.
14:54 thexyz open sauce
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14:56 iqualfragile thexyz: wtf?
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15:00 sapier be carefull open souce will get bad soon if not fridgerated
15:04 specing proller: seeds aren't growing
15:12 specing proller: furnace just isn't working
15:12 sapier specing what version?
15:14 specing client is git, server is proller's SKy
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15:15 EvergreenTree o/
15:15 EvergreenTree Merry Christmas everyone!
15:19 sapier oh ... sorry can't help in this case
15:29 specing proller!!!
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15:30 specing EvergreenTree: may you be touched by his noodly appendage
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15:38 proller specing, they do, but very slow
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15:41 markveidemanis I made a light mesecons mod
15:41 markveidemanis I will finish it and share it
15:41 markveidemanis Do i have to leave the comments in the code?
15:46 fairiestoy Hey everybody, tiny question: If i define NodeTimers and they got unloaded, will they continue the elapsed time when beeing unloaded or will they execute  the code once they recognize that the predefined timespan is over?
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15:50 markveidemanis All workd so far
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16:00 iqualfragile_ markveidemanis: you can comment lines out in lua by putting -- infront of them
16:01 iqualfragile_ fairiestoy: interesting question
16:01 markveidemanis i know
16:01 markveidemanis do i have to leave the authors names
16:02 markveidemanis if i merge all the files
16:02 thexyz that depends on the license
16:02 thexyz why not leave them though?
16:12 markveidemanis I combined all of mesecons and digiline into just 4 mods
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16:17 markveidemanis 217.35.229.154:30000 also in server list i think
16:17 markveidemanis This is the *light* server
16:21 kaeza greetings
16:22 kaeza and merry christmas
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16:25 Megaf greetings :)
16:27 proller specing, bug found, recompiling and restarting server..
16:27 specing Yay!
16:27 specing tell me when it start
16:27 specing s
16:30 proller specing, started
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16:35 Megaf wow 26 folks on my server http://servers.minetest.net/
16:36 specing wow very folks, many Megaf much minetest wow
16:36 Megaf just got a peak of 1.2 MB/s of outbound
16:36 specing I thought minetest used more traffic?
16:37 Megaf It can't use much traffic because of slow protocol
16:37 specing proller: furnace is still nonworky
16:37 Megaf I still have a lot of free resources like mem, cpu and bandwidth, but I bet my players are experiencing some lag
16:39 specing proller: wow, it is working
16:39 specing but it isn't updating
16:40 proller its maybe other bug
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16:47 specing proller: wheat is not growing
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16:53 markveidemanis 26 people, 12 of which have names like griefers
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16:59 Megaf Another peak, 1.7 MB/s of outbound
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17:03 specing proller: What am I doing wrong that wheat doesen't grow?
17:03 specing tell me.
17:03 specing Is it too cold?
17:03 specing Im at +25
17:03 specing height
17:03 proller what heat now ?
17:04 specing t= 27'C
17:04 specing assuming t is temperature in f5
17:04 proller okay, looks like same bug 8(
17:04 proller too slow abm
17:04 specing omg it grew
17:04 specing just right now
17:05 specing how high must it grow?
17:05 proller dont know
17:05 specing 31'C now
17:06 specing its currently twice the height of a seed
17:06 EvergreenTree Just wait
17:06 EvergreenTree it takes a while
17:11 specing proller: also grass grows instantly
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17:23 Megaf Hi us_0gb
17:24 us_0gb Hello, Megaf!
17:24 Megaf Folks, I'm thinking in moving my server From London, England, UK to Newark, NJ, USA
17:24 us_0gb Why do that?
17:25 Megaf I have a couple of choices, and among them the shortest way and lowest ping is to Newark from where I live
17:27 us_0gb Ah, got it.
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17:43 markveidemanis I need some help with Onomatopoeia Mapper
17:43 markveidemanis HOw do i get the thing to work?
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17:45 Megaf my new license http://paste.debian.net/72546/
17:46 kaeza >Do Whatever You Want If You By Me A Chocolate When You See Me
17:46 kaeza >If You By Me
17:46 kaeza >By
17:47 Megaf oops
17:48 specing Megaf: entry not found
17:48 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/72548/
17:48 Megaf fixed
17:49 specing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beerware
17:50 Megaf yep, my license is based on the beer license and the that do what the fuck you want one
17:50 Megaf but mine can be applied to minors
17:50 markveidemanis How do i get Onomatopoeia mapper to work?
17:51 specing Megaf: dont tell me you are 14
17:52 Megaf specing, I'm 26
17:53 specing close enough.
17:53 Megaf markveidemanis, Well, I think best thing you can do is go to the mod's topic and ask there
17:53 markveidemanis ABsolutely no documentation
17:53 Megaf And I just had a Budweiser
17:54 Megaf markveidemanis, does that thing have a website or something?
17:54 markveidemanis Githgub
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18:02 Yepoleb Hello
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18:16 thexyz markveidemanis: it's not supposed to work
18:16 markveidemanis ...
18:16 markveidemanis but i saw a map online somewhere
18:16 thexyz yeah
18:16 thexyz but still
18:16 thexyz it's not supposed to work
18:16 thexyz if it works then somebody did some magic
18:17 thexyz I plan to rewrite it eventually
18:18 markveidemanis http://minetest.web1337.net/map.php
18:19 markveidemanis hosted by xyz
18:19 markveidemanis http://minetest.ru/zeg9/data/3/0/-1.png
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18:25 thexyz yes it was that one time when it worked
18:25 thexyz there was some branch where I started to rewrite it
18:25 thexyz but then got bored
18:25 thexyz because it was quite hard to debug it
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18:29 Megaf Folks, can you please run this and paste the results on a pastebin like thing? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22​81263/Software/MegafsPinger/Pinger.sh
18:30 Megaf It will ping 3 different hosts
18:30 Megaf This will help me to decide to where I move my server
18:30 Megaf us_0gb, specing
18:32 markveidemanis If anyone wants to muck around with meshnode: 217.35.229.154:30000
18:37 iqualfragile ah, yes, meshnode, i think i might install that one on my server
18:52 kaeza http://chainreactionhub.com/​images/news/bikewrap/44.jpg
18:54 Megaf kaeza, is it a Playstation 4?
18:56 us_0gb Megaf: http://pastebin.com/r8LLtdes
18:57 us_0gb My connection is artificially slow right now, so those numbers are going to be high.
18:58 Megaf wow, my server would be quite slow for you
18:58 Megaf Its located in london now
18:59 us_0gb Every server is slow for me right now. Even the server in my own house would be slow to respond.
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19:10 raffahacks Hi
19:14 us_0gb Hello!
19:14 thexyz http://i.imgur.com/bVd0R8z.jpg
19:14 harrison what kind of overalls do chickens wear?
19:15 us_0gb A corrupted QR code? Odd.
19:15 harrison osh kosh bGOK
19:15 thexyz it can be scanned though
19:16 us_0gb Oh, it just looks odd then. My bad.
19:17 us_0gb I don't have one of those scanning devices though.
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19:44 phantombeta Hi
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19:55 Exio4 Megaf: here?
19:56 Exio4 Megaf: http://dpaste.com/1523096/
19:56 iqualfragile us_0gb: the genious thing about qr codes is that you can have quite a number of equivalent patterns (as parts of the patterns are for redundancy), so it is possible to transform one to make it look like some image
20:00 us_0gb iqualfragile: Oh, wow, I had no idea.
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20:27 john_minetest Hello again
20:27 markveidemanis Hi
20:37 markveidemanis 217.35.229.154:30000 tech server
20:37 markveidemanis wireless, digiline, mesecons
20:38 markveidemanis I need someone to help me
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21:03 pitriss Hi I want to ask. When I define some local variable in some lua script which is called by dotfile, does that variable propagate into file where it was called or this local variable is local only for that script?
21:03 Exio4 you would end faster trying it by yourself
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21:11 zash pitriss: it's local to the file.
21:11 pitriss zash: thanks
21:11 zash or to whatever scope it's defined in
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21:22 thexyz merry 10 bit christmas you all!
21:23 thexyz have quality holidays, etc
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21:27 Sokomine to you as well :-) merry christmas to all
21:28 john_minetest Yeah! Merry christmas!
21:28 Sokomine is there a way to deflate a zlib stream, as found in an .mts file? or does it require extra libraries?
21:35 OWNSyouAll Whats the best way to combine nodes together? Say i have like stone slabs do i create a node definition for all possible ways the nodes could be palced?
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21:39 Sokomine no. that can be handled by facedir and a screwdriver
21:39 Sokomine but what do you mean by "combine"?
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21:42 OWNSyouAll Sokomine, like when i place a slab on top of another slab they become one block and the slab isnt floating
21:43 Sokomine OWNSyouAll: you'd probably want to take a look at moreblocks. in general, such a combination is a specially coded feature
22:11 proller specing, i think slow abms fixed
22:16 proller it was... debug build with -O0    - on week-top server with 30-40 players 8-)
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22:48 specing proller: 'abms'?
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22:50 thexyz specing: ABMs, which stands for Active Block Modifier(s)
22:51 thexyz also http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_abm
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22:55 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
22:56 jin_xi hello PilzAdam
22:56 thexyz minetest is illegal https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=123103#p123103
22:56 thexyz avoid
22:57 jin_xi fuck the police
22:57 thexyz whoa whoa
22:58 thexyz where's that buildcraft source
22:58 meldrian i knew it all the time, i comit crime while playing minetest
22:58 thexyz somebody should tell them to update it
22:59 meldrian hi PilzAdam :)
22:59 PilzAdam "This is a really serious issue" – https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/issues/1071#issuecomment-31203917
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23:05 specing THE ISSUE SERIOUSNESS IS TOO DAMN HIGH!
23:07 iqualfragile specing: please, stay serious
23:07 thexyz ^ "please don't have fun"
23:07 specing wow many serious
23:07 thexyz "fun is not allowed here"
23:08 proller btw i catch this mouse stuck many times on kde
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23:10 thexyz has anybody actually tried to compile buildcraft?
23:10 Jordach betcha it doesn't work for shit
23:10 RealBadAngel hi all
23:11 RealBadAngel i saw today buildcraft working on a tablet
23:11 PilzAdam proller, mouse stuck in KDE?
23:12 thexyz what the hell, my g++ turned into java
23:12 thexyz /home/xyz/minetest/minetes​t-temp/src/main.cpp:894:6: error: expected ‘catch’ before ‘updateGame’
23:12 proller in MT, i cant move mouse, but yaw changed in debug
23:12 proller its happen sometimes after returning from another window
23:18 Megaf <PilzAdam> "This is a really serious issue" – https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/issues/1071#issuecomment-31203917
23:18 Megaf I dont see that as a bug
23:18 Megaf it happens here too
23:18 Megaf if you dont press esc, then it will keep the mouse to it, thats what I expect
23:19 specing pretty obvious, yes
23:19 thexyz why isn't this a bug?
23:19 Megaf Well, It does what I expect it to do
23:20 Megaf catch and keep the mouse unless I press Esc
23:20 Megaf well, I gtg
23:20 thexyz that's a stupid expectation to have
23:20 thexyz I expect to be able to navigate through apps in that overview mode
23:26 thexyz what the fuck
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23:28 thexyz oh shit i managed to do this
23:28 thexyz anyway it doesn't seem they're very interested in providing actual sources they use
23:28 Jordach just drop #fsf an email
23:29 PilzAdam I got an email: "Wait. Your the developer of minetest?!"
23:31 iqualfragile thexyz: you managed to do what?
23:34 thexyz build buildcraft
23:34 thexyz it doesn't work though
23:34 thexyz can't enter server, can't play local game
23:35 jin_xi ^ so basically freeminer
23:35 thexyz why?
23:35 thexyz last time I checked I was able to do all that
23:36 thexyz jin_xi: if you're unable to play local game or enter a server please file a bug report
23:36 thexyz jin_xi: the issue tracker is located at https://github.com/freeminer​/freeminer/issues?state=open
23:37 jin_xi ok
23:37 proller jin_xi, freeminer server with debug build with -o0 beat world record of minetest base games - 68 live peoples online
23:37 iqualfragile "i am unable to play a local game and/or enter a server, plzfix)
23:39 thexyz well if that's true then something is terribly wrong
23:41 PilzAdam why do 90% of the freeminer issues have no description?
23:42 proller you cant understand without description?
23:42 PilzAdam "Auto reconnect when server "shutting down""
23:42 Sokomine meldrian: you commit crimes only if you construct ugly buildings :-)
23:43 PilzAdam what does that mean? you dont want people to leave singleplayer?
23:47 proller PilzAdam, you still cant understand?
23:47 proller try to play game
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