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00:03 iqualfragile_ actually germans also open their present tomorrow/today (14.)
00:22 kaeza in Uruguay we open presents after 00:00, Dec 25 :)
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00:44 madprogrammi hi
00:44 * madprogrammi instantly realizes he disturbed the serenity of the chatroom
00:45 PilzAdam hi
00:45 madprogrammi Ah, just the person I need :)
00:45 madprogrammi So... I was using Nodetopia (or at least trying to)
00:46 PilzAdam what problems did you have?
00:46 madprogrammi I could not move in 0.4.8 stable
00:47 PilzAdam well, you cant run it in stable
00:47 PilzAdam get a dev version
00:47 madprogrammi or 0.4.7.. the only build that worked was when I did the compile myself off of 0.4.8-dev
00:47 madprogrammi hm. Using newer features?
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00:49 madprogrammi Ah. I have to go. Thanks PilzAdam. :)
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01:11 us_0gb Can't move? Now I'm intrigued. I'm going to have to look at the commit history and see what sort of new feature would cause one to not be able to move in a dev game.
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01:16 PilzAdam us_0gb, its only if you use Nodetopia with a non-dev version
01:17 us_0gb PilzAdam: Yes, but that means that there's something in Nodetopia that prevents movement in non-dev versions but allows moving in a newer dev version.
01:17 PilzAdam yes, its the new set_physics_override
01:17 us_0gb I've got to know what feature would do that.
01:18 us_0gb Ah, got it.
01:18 us_0gb That makes a lot of sense.
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01:40 PilzAdam bye
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02:42 MinetestBot Hirato: <thexyz> https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer/tree/enet
02:42 Hirato lol
02:42 Hirato nice
02:47 Hirato thexyz: btw, you can replace about 60000 lines of autofoo with a simple shellscript :P
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02:50 Hirato thexyz: btw, you can also use #if 0 to comment stuff out, rather than deleting the comment markers
02:52 Hirato heh, nvm the shell thing, looks liek you adapted it for CMake
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04:58 thexyz ah right
04:58 thexyz well that commented code should be deleted now anyway
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06:20 VanessaE bbl
06:20 Hirato haha
06:20 Hirato so how does it perform?
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07:24 sfan5 !tell Jordach nom,nom!
07:24 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around
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09:02 thexyz Hirato: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8074
09:02 thexyz it's good
09:02 thexyz I'll also test sapier's network improvements branch later today
09:04 Edelwin =)
09:05 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Christmas Eve! :-D
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09:35 Megaf Hi all
09:35 Megaf VanessaE's plantlife mod is causing my server to crash often http://paste.debian.net/72441/
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09:56 Megaf Wouldn't be nice if to be able to craft buckets a bucket priv was needed?
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10:12 markveidemanis Hieelleo
10:20 Megaf Hi markveidemanis
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10:24 thexyz do you love errors in code as much as I do?
10:24 thexyz https://github.com/PilzAdam/​mobs/blob/master/api.lua#L31
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10:30 Hirato thexyz: could be worse https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=61095
10:32 Jordach thexyz, roll my most recent post forward a day
10:32 Jordach i wanna see the fucking reactions :P
10:33 thexyz lol
10:34 thexyz "but after adding spaces around the + it works as intended."
10:34 thexyz hey, there's a workaround
10:35 fairiestoy "This bug has been fixed in SVN."  << ?
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10:38 Hirato the workaround doesn't make it any less funny :p
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10:41 john_minetest Hello everychristmasunicorn
10:41 Jordach it ain't fucking christmas until TOMORROW.
10:42 Hirato http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toe-8ykTUT8 yo ho ho argh
10:42 john_minetest In germany it is christmas TODAY!
10:42 thexyz I can't benchmark sapier's fixes
10:42 Hirato it's christmas EVE today
10:42 thexyz because every bot eats ~200% CPU
10:42 Hirato christmas is tomorrow
10:42 thexyz with video driver set to null
10:42 Hirato lol
10:42 thexyz (and that's after fixing a bit of zero division errors)
10:42 Hirato so enet wins?
10:43 thexyz well that's a bit unfair, don't you think?
10:43 Hirato well... IPv6 support aside... :P
10:43 john_minetest Also christmas unicorns exist all the time, not only on christmas
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10:49 Megaf Any word on improving clearobjects performance?
10:56 thexyz don't think so
10:56 thexyz I think there should just be a flag, which says that objects older than `age` shall be wiped when loaded
10:56 thexyz well, not age but "bith time"
10:56 thexyz and then /clearobjects should just reset this flag
10:57 thexyz so when engine tries to load new blocks and activate objects it instead wipes them
10:57 proller for what you want clear objects ?
11:04 john_minetest Hey, can somebody please compile minetest with https://gist.github.com/kahrl/8106473 for win32? I really need that build since it might fix serious problems with windows builds.
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11:07 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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11:12 john_minetest Hi PilzAdam
11:13 john_minetest PilzAdam: Could you possibly compile minetest-git for win32 with https://gist.github.com/kahrl/8106473 patch?
11:15 arsdragonfly peers are throwing a party at each other :-P
11:16 arsdragonfly by no means is it a silent night
11:18 Megaf Hi PilzAdam
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12:04 Megaf $ sqlite map.sqlite VACUUM
12:04 Megaf Unable to open database "map.sqlite": file is encrypted or is not a database
12:04 Megaf whats wrong here?
12:12 thexyz shouldn't the command line tool be called "sqlite3"?
12:15 sfan5 it is called sqlite3 not sqlite
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12:18 iqualfragile_ Megaf: you are trying to use sqlite2 on a sqlite3 database, please use sqlite3 instead
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12:48 jabbo my acnl dream code: 6800 2848 9335
12:48 VanessaE ?
12:49 VanessaE wtf is acnl?
12:50 jabbo Animal Crossing New Leaf
12:50 VanessaE and this has to do with minetest somehow?
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12:50 VanessaE hey nore
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12:50 jabbo nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo​oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo​oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo​oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooope
12:50 nore hi... can't stay for long though
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12:51 jabbo IM AR A FUCKING SHIT MEN
12:51 jabbo ARE
12:51 jabbo A FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK​KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
12:51 Jordach !kick jabbo spam
12:51 jabbo was kicked by MinetestBot: spam
12:51 Jordach BOOM. HEADSHOT.
12:52 thexyz and this is why you should never try drugs
12:52 Jordach plol
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12:52 proller or select god drugs only
12:52 proller good
12:55 Jordach 100 users
12:55 Jordach :O
12:58 Lynxx o.o
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13:10 raffahacks megad?
13:11 raffahacks megaf: are you here?
13:11 * Jordach checks the MT Skin reop
13:11 Jordach repo*
13:11 Jordach \O/ soooooo many skins based off of Sam I
13:16 specing proller: any news @ tnt?
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13:17 proller i have good idea, but have no time to do it
13:17 specing proller: stacking to 99?
13:17 proller yes, + range depended on number of near tnts
13:18 proller look around and count (9 max)
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13:19 proller and maybe step-by-step explosion from center
13:19 proller with player damage
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13:39 john_minetest where is minetest skin again?
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13:54 john_minetest My internet connection is unbearable...
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14:00 Megaf iqualfragile_, Thanks
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14:13 sfan5 15:12:46: ACTION[ServerThread]: 2cute2talk2you punches [....]
14:13 sfan5 ahahahahaha
14:13 sfan5 dat name
14:13 Megaf man, I like my new keyboard
14:13 Megaf so good to type on it
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14:16 Megaf http://www.geniusnet.com/wSite/ct?x​Item=47593&amp;ctNode=137&amp;mp=1
14:16 Megaf This one
14:16 Megaf I had 3 or 4 Microsoft keyboard already
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14:18 specing Megaf: get a ducky shine
14:19 thexyz is it mechanical?
14:20 specing yes
14:21 thexyz what about Megaf's
14:21 specing probably not
14:22 thexyz what switches does it have?
14:22 specing "super slim" and "mechanical" don't go together
14:22 thexyz ah, I didn't even check it out
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14:47 Hirato oh... no wonder proller's git hasn't seen updates in months :o
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14:50 Hirato bleh.. this setup makes it a pain to do automated pkgbuilds...
14:55 thexyz what're you doing?
14:56 Hirato I'm an Arch user, I have a PKGBUILD set up to generate git builds of minetest for me to install via the distro's package manager :P
14:56 Hirato looking into freeminer, but it's using sub modules, and that shit's a pain :P
14:57 Hirato don't want to do a whole 'git submodule --recursive init update' thing, since that means redownloading everything every time
14:58 Hirato it's only two though, still a pain :p
14:58 thexyz meanwhile http://i.imgur.com/gPst5Iv.png
14:58 thexyz redownload?
14:59 thexyz can't you just use --depth 1 or something
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15:00 Hirato it's not how the PKGBUILDs work :p
15:01 Hirato you set a source, in this case, it's: https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer.git, this is, it doesn't do any recursion
15:01 thexyz whoa, that's stupid
15:01 Hirato so to do submodules, you need to either i nthe prepare state do the 'git submodule update --recursive --init' there, which means, redownload ALL submodules from scratch
15:02 Hirato alternatively, you add the submodules themselves into the sources, and init them manualyl during prepare()
15:03 thexyz can't you use --depth 1 though? when fetching submodules
15:04 Hirato that's not the issue :P
15:04 Hirato it does seem that you can limit it to one branch
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15:09 Hirato whatever, I'll just copy the stuff durign the package stage ^^
15:10 thexyz inb4 we include sources as submodules
15:10 Hirato I mostly did it so I could use git versions of a bunch of mods :P
15:10 Hirato cunt!
15:11 Hirato I wonder if freeminer works better with mods in /usr/share/whatever
15:11 thexyz can you submit this pkgbuild to AUR?
15:11 thexyz I'm sure it doesn't
15:12 proller Hirato, git submodule update --recursive --init    does not redownload anything if it exists
15:13 Hirato makepkg starts by deleting the src directory, after which is copies all its fetches sources to there; this guarantees a clean build
15:13 Hirato this means, guess what, the aforementioned stuff doesn't exist :P
15:13 Megaf lol 15:13:04: ACTION[ServerThread]: Server: Admin supplied empty password
15:14 Megaf thexyz, not a mechanical
15:14 Megaf but pretty good for a non mechanical one
15:14 Hirato thexyz: http://pastebin.com/WhqYvysD the vanilla minetest version
15:15 Megaf wow, before clearobjects and vacuum, max_lag=5, after clearobjects and vacuum, max_lag=0.16
15:17 thexyz > not using the superior leveldb backend
15:17 Hirato flag for enabling
15:18 thexyz whoa whoa
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15:18 thexyz no freetype dep, no gettext dep
15:18 Hirato fucks given: 0
15:18 Hirato it's not like I tried to submit this to the AUR
15:18 Hirato fuck, my "patch" doesn't evne have an MD5 sum
15:19 thexyz ah well
15:19 Hirato it's really just a hackjob "fix" of the last one
15:19 Hirato with a bunch of mods added in :D
15:20 Hirato anyway, what's the flag for enabling LEVELDB?
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15:23 thexyz that's tricky
15:23 thexyz but it's ENABLE_LEVELDB
15:23 Hirato -DENABLE_LEVELDB ?
15:23 thexyz =1
15:24 Hirato hmmm... size went down by 43MB when installing freeminer over minetest :o
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15:33 Hirato a world loads.. and hte weirdest rain I've ever seen is falling
15:34 thexyz the weather is indeed weird
15:34 Hirato it's like someone is spawning a single blob of random each frame at a random position in hte sky
15:34 thexyz your pull request to fix it is very welcome
15:35 thexyz yeah, that's how particles work, I guess
15:35 * Hirato cannot into Lua
15:35 thexyz what about C++?
15:35 Hirato must better with that, but minetest's code is weird to me ^^
15:36 Hirato I come form a world where we just pretend it's C with some nice extras :p
15:36 thexyz ah
15:36 thexyz well minetest code has some weird usage of C++
15:36 Hirato ...did the rain spawn little water puddles on the map?
15:36 thexyz it's like there are some people who prefer to use C and, well, use C instead of C++ where they can
15:37 Megaf is this bug or griefing? http://en.zimagez.com/zima​ge/screenshot624956282.php
15:38 thexyz oh god why are there still people without freetype
15:38 Hirato :windows:
15:39 Megaf thexyz, who are you talking about?
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15:41 thexyz dunno!
15:41 Megaf Also this, http://en.zimagez.com/zima​ge/screenshot625094923.php
15:41 Megaf that looks pretty much like a bug
15:41 Hirato bitmap fonts aren't always that bad, for example if you draw them via SDF :P
15:42 raffahacks Hi megaf!
15:42 Hirato SDF fonts scale REALLY well and use very little memory, comparatively
15:43 raffahacks Does ur port work?
15:43 Megaf raffahacks, nope, Im stuck
15:43 Hirato Megaf: IMO, it could be either or
15:43 raffahacks Mean mac port
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15:43 Hirato maybe the sky's falling? :o
15:43 thexyz Hirato: that's already fixed by ttf fonts for minetest
15:44 thexyz no need to fix what's not broken, especially considering how many (not) people develop minetest
15:44 raffahacks Where's the problem
15:44 Hirato text would look better if they had outline s:P
15:44 thexyz they have shadow
15:44 Megaf raffahacks, it keeps missing the bus =/
15:45 raffahacks Which bus
15:45 Hirato shadows don't contrast well enough with the background
15:45 thexyz and outline would look awful
15:45 raffahacks Right hirato, was talking about that just yesterday
15:45 thexyz with small font size
15:46 thexyz anyway!
15:46 thexyz the github is open for your pull requests
15:46 jin_xi lol?
15:47 Hirato :P
15:47 thexyz ?
15:48 Enke Well, personally, I think the text would look better if it was placed in it's own darkened window.
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16:02 thexyz http://store.lightpack.tv/products/lightpack
16:02 Hirato lol, torches only burn for a few seconds?
16:02 thexyz what's your excuse for not buying it?
16:02 Hirato oh nvm, local server lag I guess
16:02 thexyz yea
16:02 thexyz lags happen
16:02 thexyz is it on FM?
16:02 Hirato damn it's laggy
16:03 Hirato freeminer? yeah
16:03 thexyz there are some improvements that aren't merged yet
16:03 thexyz like enet
16:03 Hirato I sohuld grab it :P
16:03 thexyz *performance improvements
16:03 thexyz it's still under development
16:04 thexyz i.e. no ipv6 support now
16:04 thexyz it'll just crash
16:04 Hirato unfortunate
16:04 thexyz but of course feel free to test it
16:05 Hirato looks like lee wants to do enet2 for IPv6, as he can't seem to think of a clean way to add it without API/ABI breakage
16:05 thexyz isn't there some pull request which adds it?
16:06 thexyz will the protocol be compatible?
16:06 * Hirato shrugs
16:06 Hirato probably
16:08 Hirato grabbing enet branch now
16:08 Enke How hard is it to compile FM for someone who has never compiled anything? As in, how many programs do I have to install beforehand, etc. etc.?
16:09 specing Enke: probably the same as minetest
16:09 proller depend on OS
16:09 Enke I'm on win. 7, how hard is Minetest?
16:09 Hirato and compile flags
16:09 proller ~impossible
16:10 specing Enke: lol, good luck.
16:10 Enke Yeah, that's what I thought.
16:10 thexyz why, it's not that hard
16:10 thexyz you just run cmake, generate a project and compile it with MSVC
16:11 thexyz that's all! simple stuff!
16:11 thexyz nothing ever goes wrong, too
16:11 proller firs you must buy  MSVC ;)
16:11 thexyz the express edition is free
16:11 thexyz also there's dreamspark for students
16:11 Enke Really? So I would just have to install cmake and MSVC express?
16:11 proller what about 10+ libs with dll ?
16:12 thexyz for a minimal build you don't need any dependencies other than irrlicht
16:12 thexyz (I think, not too sure)
16:12 thexyz but you won't have curl, freetype, gettext, sound
16:12 thexyz luajit
16:12 thexyz and that's where it gets tricky
16:13 Enke Ok, so to get some other good stuff I would have to install curl, freetype, etc.?
16:13 Hirato bleh.. it didn't grab the right branch
16:14 thexyz not install, but compile
16:14 thexyz and then configure in cmake
16:15 thexyz lightpack is 146% open source!
16:16 thexyz you should go on and support open hardware right now
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16:16 Enke Okay, I'll look around for some guides.
16:17 Hirato crashes :/
16:17 thexyz of course it does!
16:17 thexyz start with disabling ipv6
16:17 specing Enke: It'll be faster to install GNU/Linux and compile there
16:18 Hirato hmm?
16:18 Enke Yeah, I s'pose. I don't really feel like learning a new OS though.
16:18 Hirato as in, globally?
16:19 thexyz yes, there's some flag
16:19 thexyz disable all flags with ipv6 in name
16:19 Hirato oh.. found a workaround: host server, 127.0.0.1
16:19 thexyz that too
16:20 thexyz you didn't specify what exactly crashed though
16:20 thexyz Enke: there's some guide in minetest's readme.txt but feel free to ask if something's not clear
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16:20 Enke Okay. I don't plan on doing it today, but I may get it done over this 2 week break I've got. Thank you everyone for your help.
16:21 Hirato http://pastebin.com/hDmv1qa7 you seem to know exactly what it is though :P
16:27 thexyz Hirato: did you try to use ipv6 or what?
16:27 Hirato nah, just start singleplayer game
16:28 Megaf https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=123018#p123018
16:29 Hirato still kind of laggy though
16:29 Hirato damn mods
16:29 Hirato I bet they're responsible
16:30 thexyz you can profile it
16:32 Jordach_ another spammer bytes the dust
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16:37 Hirato yeah... I think it's the weather mod
16:37 Hirato melting/freezing water, and spawning liquid everywhere
16:39 Enke Question: Could MinGW be used in place of MSVC?
16:40 Hirato yes
16:40 thexyz although I've never compiled with MinGW and it has its downsides too, so you'll have to ask for help someone else
16:41 Enke Hmm, okay. I ask because the express edition of MSVC asks for a registration key, and that's the last thing I want to do.
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16:41 Exio4 we need a C with objects and without all the shit of C++
16:42 jin_xi objective-c?
16:42 kaeza Exio4, OOP is possible in C
16:42 thexyz Exio4: nice try but what c++ shit are you talknig about?
16:42 kaeza structs anyone?
16:42 kaeza anyway, greetings
16:42 Edelwin thexyz: the whole code :D
16:43 thexyz structs?
16:43 thexyz what about inheritance and polymorphism?
16:43 john_minetest Lol, who uses everything from c++?
16:43 john_minetest Only thing I use from C++ is object orientation.
16:43 Exio4 thexyz: that is what I mean
16:43 Hirato C++ structs are just classes with default public perms :P
16:43 kaeza inheritance: possible, polymorphism, dunno
16:44 thexyz also yeah, I think some people do crazy shit
16:44 thexyz like implementing vtables in C
16:44 Exio4 the polymorphism is tricky
16:44 thexyz because C++ SUX CAN NOT USE
16:44 kaeza anyway, don't even know what you are talking about, just meddling in random conversations :P
16:44 thexyz (that's more related to your typical hater, not those people who implement vtables actually)
16:45 thexyz john_minetest: do you use STL?
16:46 Enke I need OpenAL for sound, correct?
16:46 thexyz openal, vorbis and ogg
16:47 Enke OpenAl, libvorbis 1.3.3, libvorbisfile, and libogg?
16:47 john_minetest thexyz: No, never looked at it.
16:47 thexyz nah, not believing
16:47 jin_xi >_>
16:47 thexyz john_minetest: can you post some your code?
16:47 thexyz Exio4: yup
16:47 john_minetest STL is that CAD thingie, right?
16:47 thexyz ;_;
16:47 jin_xi standard template library
16:48 Exio4 i'm trying to get the words for saying the shit
16:48 Exio4 but i don't know them
16:50 Enke Well, that's great. connect.creativelabs.com not found.
16:50 thexyz https://twitter.com/0xabad1d​ea/status/415187396469063682
16:50 Exio4 C++ looks like a low level language that tries to be like an high-level
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16:50 Exio4 with shits from both sides, and mixing them badly
16:50 john_minetest thexyz: http://pastebin.com/QqxrB080
16:50 Exio4 i don't know how to word this better
16:51 Exio4 if you wanted to use "C++" at its max potential you will end crazy because it has useless shit for everything
16:51 Exio4 (but that is OOP, who would have said it adds too many useless abstractions)
16:51 Exio4 up to some level, they are nice
16:51 Exio4 then they just make the code too verbose and ugly
16:52 Enke Then again, I never use sound anyway...
16:52 Hirato lol, the bones mod just deleted my entire inventory
16:52 thexyz ah, so you actually are using stl
16:53 john_minetest I try to write some kind of modular objects so I can, for example, replace some part without the other parts changing. Mostly it is just the OOP paradigm and could be done otherwise with the same beauty but it is the paradigm I chose so I am using it.
16:53 thexyz > if(World::grid[World::xpos][​World::ypos].south=="true")
16:53 thexyz s-strings?
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16:55 john_minetest thexyz: I have no clue what I wrote there but it worked.
16:55 thexyz well that's not how you typically should code
16:55 john_minetest Was a long time and I only looked at this part of the code.
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16:57 john_minetest Oh, got it.
16:57 john_minetest That World::grid is a grid of rooms.
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16:57 john_minetest {
16:57 john_minetest Room::east=value;
16:57 john_minetest }
16:58 jin_xi bitch pls
16:58 Inocudom You should make a new post in your HDX Texture Packs topic, VanessaE. That way, people will think it is still active.
16:58 Exio4 i would use a switch/case there instead of if(s)
16:59 john_minetest thexyz: Since value is a substring (so a string), it is a string in Room::east so also in World::grid[x][y].east
16:59 Exio4 and avoid the "World::" part there, what is the point of it, shouldn't it be part of the private data, somehow?
17:00 john_minetest I don't like switch/case. It doesn't look good in most cases.
17:01 thexyz Exio4: how would you use switch/case there?
17:01 john_minetest And I need the World:: since it has been declared in the .h as publics or privates.
17:01 fairiestoy john_minetest: http://stackoverflow.com/questio​ns/195802/switch-case-vs-if-else  What is more important: Look or performance?
17:02 thexyz what is more important is that you can't fucking use fucking switch with fucking std::string
17:02 john_minetest I think that the "look" will be used more often that changing locations.
17:02 Exio4 thexyz: you can't?
17:02 john_minetest Oh, right. That, too.
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17:02 Exio4 i thought you could, because C++ weirdness
17:02 thexyz now go and learn the damn language
17:03 thexyz instead of complaining about it
17:03 Exio4 sure, give me enough time to learn to code in java first
17:03 Exio4 i need those OOP skills
17:03 thexyz what for?
17:03 Exio4 i'll coding in C
17:03 thexyz do you know C?
17:04 Exio4 lets say
17:04 thexyz on a scale of 1 to 10
17:04 thexyz what's your knowledge of C?
17:04 Exio4 5?
17:05 thexyz eh
17:05 john_minetest Lol...
17:05 Edelwin U__U
17:05 john_minetest I'd say the inventor of C++ have a knowledge of 3 of C++.
17:06 thexyz I don't know any tricky C questions
17:06 thexyz int a = 2; a = a++ + ++a; // what will this set a to?
17:06 fairiestoy Exio: How can you access the member of a structure if you have only a pointer to that structure?
17:06 Edelwin 6 \o/
17:07 Inocudom Here is a video of someone keeping a male carpenter bee as a pet: http://youtu.be/rmN52-EIIpI
17:07 Exio4 6?
17:07 fairiestoy Edelwin: Shouldn't it be 5?
17:07 Exio4 fairiestoy: i don't get the question tbh
17:07 thexyz perhaps! but I wanted a different answer
17:08 thexyz a correct one
17:08 Exio4 is it implementation defined?
17:08 Inocudom Here is that same bee eating maple syrup: http://youtu.be/GiGP2uVRk94
17:08 thexyz it is undefined behavior
17:08 thexyz because there are no sequence points
17:08 Exio4 ha
17:08 thexyz and same memory is accessed/modified
17:08 thexyz now the next question
17:08 thexyz what are the sequence points?
17:09 Exio4 translate to spanish
17:09 Exio4 and i'll tell you
17:09 thexyz puntos de secuencia
17:09 Exio4 isn't it the order or how it should run?
17:09 Inocudom The cuteness is unimaginable. The innocence of that bee.
17:10 Exio4 i don't know the wording
17:10 thexyz there's more tricky stuff about C
17:10 thexyz i.e. integer promotion
17:10 thexyz and other stuff
17:10 Exio4 that is why i said 5
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17:11 thexyz but it could be 43
17:11 thexyz err, 42
17:11 thexyz or any value
17:11 Exio4 as long as the scale wasn't linear
17:11 Enke Hmm. How easy is compiling in Ubuntu?
17:11 Enke compiling minetest/freeminer.
17:12 Exio4 150% easier than windows
17:12 thexyz When your code has undefined behavior, you get a seg fault and corrupted data. When Jeff Dean's code has undefined behavior, a unicorn rides in on a rainbow and gives everybody free ice cream.
17:12 us_0gb Minetest comes with instructions for compiling in Ubuntu. It;s ridiculously easy, Enke.
17:13 Enke That's what I thought. Hmm. I know what I want for Christmas! XD
17:13 us_0gb Those instructions work on the rest of the Debian family too, it seems.
17:14 Enke Goody!
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17:15 sapier Merry Christmas to all!
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17:17 sapier thexyz I don't want you to meet "my standards" (which are quite relaxed to standards set e.g. for linux kernel, samba wine ...) I just want there to be defined standards different from "none"
17:17 us_0gb When is Christmas, anyway? I forget.
17:17 thexyz then don't complain
17:18 sapier oops wrong channel ;-)
17:18 sapier christmas depends on timezone and nationality in germany it's usually 24th of december right after church
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17:21 * us_0gb next asks about New Year's Day, which he hears is coming up
17:21 thexyz i googled christmas and got a nice animation
17:23 thexyz there honestly has to be a service which provides simple countdowns to any specified date
17:23 thexyz as simple as http://time.is
17:27 Enke Huh. apperantly my clock is 4.6 seconds fast.
17:27 jin_xi Enke: i start a game now on nao
17:27 Enke Okay.
17:28 Enke I'll continue my old one, is that okay?
17:28 jin_xi sure
17:28 Enke Okay, I'm on. Username:EnkeNethack
17:31 Enke I'm watching yours.
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17:49 jin_xi well fuck
17:50 Enke Yeah, that stinks.
17:50 jin_xi well, next try
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17:54 thexyz I didn't know about this http://yuenhoe.com/blog/categor​y/anime/hana-no-android-gakuen/
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18:01 zsoltisawesome hey alll
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18:06 JamesTait Have a wonderful Christmas and New Year, everyone!
18:11 markveidemanis Merry christmas and new year!!!
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18:24 proller 83 ipv6 only players!
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18:31 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Use sleep_ms instead of select in httpfetch when max_fd == -1, fixes WSAEINVAL 3aa28bc7a2 2013-12-24T10:28:09-08:00 http://git.io/G1gybA
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18:46 zsoltisawesome i getting an error when i try to run MT
18:46 zsoltisawesome "minetest: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libk5crypto.so.3: cannot read file data: Input/output error"
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18:47 zsoltisawesome anyone know what could have caused this?
18:48 thexyz reboot
18:48 Edelwin 'k
18:48 zsoltisawesome ok
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18:54 zsoltisawesome ok it works now, thanks
18:56 zsoltisawesome online mod repository button causes me to go the credits page with no tabs...
19:01 kaeza https://dl.dropboxuserconten​t.com/u/100008207/rc_car.jpg
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19:07 OWNSyouAll zsoltisawesome, press esc to get out of that
19:07 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Mark the region with an entity cube. https://gi 2013-12-24T11:07:42-08:00 http://git.io/tR1Fsw
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19:13 Sokomine hm. minetest/src/sha1.cpp:149: void SHA1::addBytes(const char*, int): Zusicherung »num > 0« nicht erfüllt
19:13 Sokomine any clues as to what might be up there?
19:14 thexyz your message isn't in english
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19:17 cisoun Happy minetestmas everyone.
19:18 Sokomine to you as well
19:19 iqualfragile_ is there some way to delete a mapblock entirely so it gets regenerated in worldedit and or minetest
19:19 cisoun Sokomine: thanks !
19:22 Lynxx hello happy holidays :3
19:31 zsoltisawesome we should have a URI
19:32 Lynxx what's up?
19:32 Lynxx that*
19:32 Lynxx ....still tired XD
19:33 zsoltisawesome like mt://<SERVERNAME>:[PORT]/[USERNAME].[PASSWORD]
19:33 zsoltisawesome *server address
19:33 zsoltisawesome it would be cool
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19:41 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8097
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20:24 zsoltisawesome um
20:24 Jordach mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
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20:25 zsoltisawesome well, kaeza's mod isn't  working
20:26 kaeza "mod not work pls fix"
20:26 kaeza anything to add?
20:27 zsoltisawesome i got screenshots
20:27 zsoltisawesome https://www.filepicker.io/ap​i/file/lmddyl25ToWhQ7FrGtYf https://www.filepicker.io/ap​i/file/KQtoPmvZSPSAmJTLrhEb
20:28 kaeza well, did you install the mod correctly (and enabled it in world config)?
20:29 zsoltisawesome well, shit
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20:31 kaeza I'll take that as a "no"
20:31 Exio4 don't worry baby ~
20:31 * Exio4 eats some sandwiches
20:32 Exio4 kaeza: vos que haces? o es el year nuevo en tu family?
20:33 zsoltisawesome lol
20:33 Exio4 voseo*spanish + english
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20:35 zsoltisawesome kaeza: is there a way from the car to have like headlights?
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20:38 kaeza zsoltisawesome, yes, make them :P
20:38 Miner_48er zsoltiawesome code from the flashlight from technic? lags alot
20:38 kaeza I coded this in like half an hour (excluding the model)
20:38 zsoltisawesome lol
20:38 kaeza :P
20:39 zsoltisawesome you know those super realistic car models?
20:40 kaeza yes, but it doesn't really fit into minetest's ambient
20:40 phantombeta Hi
20:41 zsoltisawesome ya
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20:41 phantombeta How's it going?
20:41 zsoltisawesome ok
20:41 phantombeta That's good
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20:58 Lynxx hmm i was wondering is there a screen shot of the new horizon+fog thing that the dev/devs are working on?
21:00 john_minetest I think it is upstream.
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21:05 Lynxx really?
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21:07 Lynxx found the topic
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21:15 raffahacks Merry Christmas in advance ;)
21:15 john_minetest It is not in the stable release but if you grab a ready build or build from git, you have that feature.
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21:16 raffahacks Where can I post the Minetest classic binary for Linux? Compiled it
21:16 raffahacks Maybe someone doesn't want to compile it
21:16 john_minetest Lol, binaries for linux... Maybe post it to minetest-related?
21:17 raffahacks Where
21:17 john_minetest on the forums
21:17 john_minetest maybe there is a thread already
21:17 john_minetest Ask on #minetest-classic
21:17 raffahacks Thanks
21:19 Exio4 are there any mods that use minetest.item_eat
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21:19 Exio4 i mean
21:19 john_minetest I thought default:apple uses it.
21:20 Exio4 outside the on_use = minetest.item_eat(1234)
21:23 Lynxx i think the food mod?
21:23 Lynxx but i think that mod is outdated dunno
21:26 raffahacks Megaf?
21:26 raffahacks Megaf: are you in?
21:31 Exio4 john_minetest: that is why i asked, https://github.com/EXio4/minetest/commit/03c56f8
21:32 Exio4 i was doing nothing in my SP world
21:32 Exio4 (creative), and then i tried to dig shit with an apple
21:32 Megaf raffahacks, Yes?
21:33 john_minetest Exio4: Obviously you eat that apple. :D
21:34 Exio4 why would i eat if i don't even have health
21:34 john_minetest The same reason why you eat chocolate when you are not really hungry. It tastes good ;)
21:35 Exio4 but this is a game
21:40 john_minetest :D
21:41 john_minetest just kidding. Yeah, that should be fixed.
21:41 Exio4 ok
21:41 * Exio4 gives john_minetest a creative-friendly apple
21:41 * john_minetest tries to eat it but fails :(
21:41 Exio4 aww
21:42 john_minetest Also a few things are annoying like interaction mostly on rightclick but sometimes leftclick is used.
21:43 Exio4 i don't know
21:43 Exio4 i don't actually play minetest
21:43 john_minetest lol
21:44 john_minetest I sometimes join servers.
21:44 Exio4 i just play it randomly and get bored after 25-35 seconds of playing
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21:44 Exio4 i'm a survival guy where you have 150 mobs outside and you're with a dirt house trying to save yourself for one night
21:45 Exio4 and knowing when you are out there will be still some mobs around, even if most of them died at night
21:45 Exio4 or if you have some basic gear, get out and try to fight them
21:45 Exio4 with the low reserves of food you had
21:46 Lynxx sounds like an adventure
21:46 Exio4 i don't really like creative, and a decent survival is too laggy atm :(
21:46 john_minetest I prefer to play in protected towns with a lot of community and pretty buildings,.
21:48 Exio4 after that startup stage where all the resources are hard-as-fuck to get and where you actually know how to manage yourself in game and how to fight the mobs properly and so on, i like playing in a community
21:48 Exio4 before, not that much
21:50 Exio4 also, nothing like being able to build a insane build with resources that you manually got somehow!
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21:58 proller NOOOOOOO
21:58 prestotron55 [deleted]
21:59 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:03 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:07 proller win.
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22:14 Megaf How do I enable snowfall in my server?
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22:19 Niffy Hi.
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22:19 john_minetest Megaf: You need the weather mod.
22:20 john_minetest Snow mod. Should be in modstore.
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22:20 Niffy {\rtf1\
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22:21 Niffy Jordach: putting Crevis on forums and redeveloping in a new coding language
22:21 Niffy w
22:22 Niffy Making a new game atm, just was looking up Preston's '54000 views per day' website which didn't even exist, found some irc logs on google
22:22 Niffy Just clearing a few things up
22:26 proller Niffy, you == prestotron55 ?
22:29 sfan5 proller: no
22:29 sfan5 probably 'Niften'
22:30 proller brothers?
22:30 hmmmm hey sfan5, so about your tab playerlist
22:30 sfan5 yeah?
22:30 hmmmm why did you decide to hardcode an irrlicht listbox for no formspec
22:31 hmmmm why didn't you make a formspec with a listbox as the default formspec that gets overwritten?
22:31 sfan5 dunno... I didn't have the idea to do it that way when I coded it
22:32 hmmmm would you be able to write a formspec for that?
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22:35 sfan5 hmmmm: yes
22:35 sfan5 Jordach: http://i.imgur.com/lkDhENv.jpg
22:36 blubblubb naww
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23:23 john_minetest sfan5: Too many awwws to count.
23:23 john_minetest awwwww overflow
23:31 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Make SHA1::addBytes(..., 0) a no-op instead of an assertion failure bf9f50bc0e 2013-12-24T15:29:00-08:00 http://git.io/aOKapQ
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