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00:07 john_minetest CYA
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03:24 E4xoi fuck
03:24 E4xoi i don't have any cheap way to withdraw funds in an automatically way
03:24 E4xoi (LTC)
03:29 E4xoi (without having to get a hell lot of documentation)
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04:26 OWNSyouAll Is there a program to make a web map of a world like dynmap for minecraft?
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05:21 thexyz VanessaE: just ask what you need
05:22 VanessaE thexyz: stuff tends to get lost in the noise if I do that. :P
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05:22 thexyz then pm
05:23 VanessaE I may have already asked this, but can you transfer ownership of the first post in threads 7463 and 7575 to me please?
05:23 VanessaE (both are DanDuncombe, who is banned, and are about servers which I own and run)
05:24 thexyz just create new posts
05:24 thexyz it's too inconvenient to transfer ownership
05:25 VanessaE ...
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05:27 thexyz then you can play with splitting and merging posts
05:27 thexyz err *new topics
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05:38 VanessaE thexyz: done and done.
05:38 VanessaE didn't know it was really "acceptable" to do that
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05:45 E4xoi https://xkcd.com/404/
05:48 VanessaE heh
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05:55 E4xoi haha
05:55 E4xoi https://xkcd.com/512/
05:55 E4xoi it is just funny to look at old xkcd comics
05:55 E4xoi you saw ALL of them, and you still laugh
05:55 VanessaE haha
05:56 VanessaE a sad lot we are :D
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07:07 E4xoi http://i.imgur.com/L0MC1qi.jpg
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07:20 E4xoi VanessaE: i'm a dubstep remixed exio4!
07:20 VanessaE lol
07:22 E4xoi here, my bot dubstep remixed your nick! VseasnaE
07:23 * E4xoi uploads VanessaE to the the.wubmachine.com
07:23 VanessaE heh
07:25 E4xoi my GPU is at 80C!
07:25 E4xoi moar C!
07:26 VanessaE meh, that's nuthin' from nuthin' ;)
07:26 VanessaE GPUs can run quite a bit hotter :)
07:27 E4xoi some guy he made his gt 610 get over 90C and didn't have any problems
07:27 E4xoi but i can't make it get over 80C for some seconds
07:27 VanessaE don't GPUs normally go in excess of 120C or something?
07:27 VanessaE at full bore, I mean
07:28 E4xoi +100C isn't good for the GPU
07:28 VanessaE of course not :)
07:28 E4xoi i would like to overclock the gpu under linux
07:28 VanessaE there's a reason I keep my GPU's heat sink and fan clean and have a bit of AS-5 between the chip and its heat sink.
07:29 E4xoi i need to clean the dust every two weeks or less
07:30 VanessaE you need to get some decent filters in your intake fans then
07:30 VanessaE and seal up all the cracks
07:30 E4xoi i have the chassis open
07:30 VanessaE that bad, eh?
07:30 E4xoi also, a hell lot of filters won't help
07:30 E4xoi i live in a rural area
07:31 E4xoi (moving to a depto soonish for studying, though)
07:31 E4xoi i hope i can switch the every-12-days-cleanup to every-30 at that time!
07:32 E4xoi also, as soon as i get some money, i'll try to switch to watercooling :D
07:32 VanessaE depto?
07:32 E4xoi deparment
07:32 E4xoi t
07:32 VanessaE dorms?
07:33 E4xoi alone for now, i don't know anyone (right now) that will study the same :P
07:34 * E4xoi 's network is slow that even minetest's (actual) transfer is fast enough for him :P
07:35 VanessaE the word we used for a large building in which multitudes of students are housed, where they sleep and study during their off-school hours, is a dormitory.
07:35 VanessaE usually separated by gender.
07:35 E4xoi ah, no
07:37 E4xoi there are departaments (small, small kitchen, room and bathroom, everything in less than (5-8)x(15-20) (or so; i guess)
07:39 VanessaE OH
07:39 VanessaE APARTments.
07:39 VanessaE sounds like an "efficiency" apartment or "studio"
07:39 E4xoi well
07:39 VanessaE that is what we call those here
07:39 E4xoi i've used google translate at first for the word, don't blame me! :P
07:40 VanessaE hehe
07:40 VanessaE yeah
07:40 VanessaE you cram everything except the toilet into one room pretty much
07:40 E4xoi not that much, there is a small wall between the kitchen and the room!
07:40 VanessaE heh, you got it good then :)
07:41 E4xoi most of them are in that way, but there isn't that much space anyway
07:41 E4xoi room = bed + some space for going out of the room
07:43 E4xoi also, going to a city => cheap internet (and better, i'm sure i will get at least 4mbps, versus 1/4mbps i have right now); cheap electricity; and well, everything there is cheap ;P
07:43 E4xoi inb4 4mbps? what is that shit
07:43 VanessaE four? heh
07:43 E4xoi i won't be moving to a big city eh! :P
07:44 E4xoi nor it is that easy to get over 10mbps here
07:44 VanessaE I live in a tiny town of like 10k or something, I get 30 here, spikes up past 50 :)
07:44 E4xoi the US != Argentina
07:44 VanessaE yeah yeah sure, excuses :P :)
07:45 E4xoi i'll be moving to a small town w/ mostly students and under 5k people
07:45 E4xoi 4200 in 2010
07:47 VanessaE out in the boonies eh?
07:47 E4xoi it is a nice place :P
07:47 E4xoi also, public university
07:48 E4xoi i'll only pay for the (depto) ;P
07:48 VanessaE sorry, "in the boonies" -> "out in the boondocks" -> "out in a distant place, far from large cities":
07:48 VanessaE -:
07:48 E4xoi not that far though
07:48 E4xoi 10km of the capital of my province
07:48 E4xoi and <40km of my home
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08:20 E4xoi http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/c​omments/1t7rb2/redditors_whove_post​ed_nude_pics_online_what_is/ce5ap0f
08:20 VanessaE uh, no
08:20 E4xoi read it
08:20 E4xoi if you don't laugh... xD
08:22 VanessaE *reads*
08:22 VanessaE haha
08:24 E4xoi this one is a good one too http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/c​omments/1t7rb2/redditors_whove_post​ed_nude_pics_online_what_is/ce5abgv
08:25 VanessaE meh
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08:37 john_minetest Hello everychristmasunicorn
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09:25 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Human Solidarity Day! :-D
09:26 * VanessaE looks at herself....  pats in a few places...
09:26 VanessaE yup, seems pretty solid, except the belly, a bit squishy there.
09:26 VanessaE :)
09:26 VanessaE hey Jaes
09:26 VanessaE James*
09:27 JamesTait Hi VanessaE. :)  Did you manage to sleep yesterday?
09:27 VanessaE yep, I eventually sleep, just not always when I want to
09:27 xyz|imaginary we've figured this out
09:27 xyz|imaginary it eats that much cpu because it's too fast
09:28 xyz|imaginary also anyone to test enet server?
09:29 john_minetest thexyz: You are sqareroot of minus 1.
09:29 john_minetest So you actually don't exist.
09:29 john_minetest Just a construct of mind to help to understand the world... </philosophy>
09:31 Megaf Bom dia
09:31 Megaf That's Good morning in Portuguese
09:31 VanessaE hi
09:31 Megaf 7:31 AM here
09:32 xyz|imaginary john_minetest: I've lost my |real part
09:32 xyz|imaginary I'm so complex
09:32 Megaf xyz|imaginary, Give me the github page
09:33 xyz|imaginary https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer branch enet connect to xyz.is:30000
09:33 xyz|imaginary sfan5: sorry, I can't reproduce your issue with disconnects; it'd be great if you could help me debug it
09:33 john_minetest A squareroot and -1 are in love. The sqareroot asks the -1 "Why can't we be together?" on which the squareroot answers: "Well, you know, it's complex...".
09:34 JamesTait VanessaE, well, at least you sleep.  I suppose it could be worse.
09:35 Megaf xyz|imaginary, so you forked the freeminer fork
09:35 VanessaE yeah like that guy in...Viet Nam was it?  who allegedly hasn't slept for, like 27 years or something
09:36 JamesTait VanessaE, ouch. :(
09:36 Megaf xyz|imaginary, does your server runs enet server too?
09:37 JamesTait I know I don't get what most people would consider enough sleep (even I'd have to agree with them sometimes), but I *do* sleep. :)
09:38 xyz|imaginary Megaf: you will only be able to connect to it because the protocol is fully changed
09:38 VanessaE "enough" is relative, but I definitely get too little, for sure.
09:39 xyz|imaginary Megaf: i "forked" it to develop on my own copy
09:39 VanessaE probably 6 hours a day, should be getting closer to 8-9 but my body + the sun prevents it
09:51 JamesTait VanessaE, I typically get around 5 hours most nights, and catch up with an extra couple of hours most weekends.
09:53 VanessaE I can't imagine anyone being functional on so littl
09:53 VanessaE +e
09:59 xyz|imaginary no one wants to test my stuff ;_;
09:59 xyz|imaginary yet everyone wants the development to progress
10:01 VanessaE you propose a test that, as I understood the discussion, is 100% incompatible with everything, and would need to take place on a production server to be a fair test, in an environment that (for me) is already loaded down enough as it is.  that's why I don't wanna touch it.
10:01 xyz|imaginary yes
10:01 xyz|imaginary fixes like this are impossible the other way
10:01 VanessaE it if weren't incompatible, I'd be all over it.
10:01 xyz|imaginary and it seems that here no one likes changes
10:01 Megaf xyz|imaginary, Connecting to server
10:02 xyz|imaginary they tend to believe they can fix whatever we have now and implement TCP too
10:02 xyz|imaginary so everything will be fast AND compatible
10:02 JamesTait VanessaE, I've found my ability to function has depended less on getting "enough" sleep and more on getting "just the right amount" - I've felt terrible after getting 10 hours' sleep, but perfectly fine afer getting 4.5 hours.  I've seen people do crazy things with their sleep patterns, and find it intriguing. :)
10:02 xyz|imaginary but that's not going to happen
10:02 VanessaE thexyz: right, and what we have now imho is not fixable, hence my calling it media_FUBAR :)
10:02 Megaf xyz|imaginary, is your server down?
10:02 VanessaE (though it applies to more than just media)
10:03 xyz|imaginary Megaf: let me check it
10:03 VanessaE JamesTait: my "sweet" spot is about 8 1/2 hours, ending with the sun waking me up when possible.
10:03 xyz|imaginary VanessaE: the issue with media is not the problem
10:03 VanessaE (that is, without an alarm)
10:03 xyz|imaginary the problem is that the protocol is shit
10:03 VanessaE thexyz: I know.
10:03 xyz|imaginary or so it seems
10:03 VanessaE xyz|imaginary: ^^
10:03 xyz|imaginary in order to fix it we either need to fix it or just replace it
10:03 JamesTait VanessaE, yes, the sun is the best alarm clock. :)
10:04 Megaf xyz|imaginary, not connecting
10:04 VanessaE xyz|imaginary: I just call it that because that's the main Achilles's heel for me in particular.
10:04 VanessaE media goes out via the old code, everything else locks up.  hence, media_FUBAR.
10:04 xyz|imaginary Megaf: patience
10:04 VanessaE I am well aware that there's way more to it than that.
10:05 Megaf I though that was supposed to be mega fast xyz|imaginary
10:05 Megaf you are a liar
10:05 VanessaE be nice, Megaf
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10:06 VanessaE Megaf: did you connect with the right client?  as in clone and build precisely the branch you need to for that test?
10:06 Megaf I have when people like proller and xyz|imaginary keep saying the have done a better client/server, ultra fast, and when we go to take a look for real its worse than minetest or it doesnt even work
10:07 Megaf I git cloned this https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer/tree/enet
10:07 VanessaE did you also git checkout enet?
10:07 VanessaE cloning isn't enough.
10:07 Megaf oh dear
10:07 VanessaE you have to switch branches after you clone, too
10:07 Megaf nobody said that
10:07 VanessaE git usage FAIL.
10:07 Megaf I told you I don't know git
10:08 xyz|imaginary ah shit i forgot i can't connect anywhere because all ports are closed
10:08 xyz|imaginary Megaf: also please update it, i've just pushed some changes
10:08 Megaf xyz|imaginary, I just did that
10:08 Megaf about 4 secons ago
10:09 xyz|imaginary Megaf: I hate when people can't use git and blame us
10:09 Megaf compiling now
10:09 xyz|imaginary please don't do that
10:09 Megaf xyz|imaginary, So do I!
10:09 VanessaE switch branches, update, then do a full cmake/make like usual.
10:09 xyz|imaginary otherwise I'll be very upset
10:09 VanessaE yeah, kick his ass ;)
10:10 Megaf xyz|imaginary, I have less than an hour to get ready to work and go on foot to work and I'm here testing your branch
10:10 xyz|imaginary then don't if you have no time
10:10 Megaf VanessaE, ok, step by step, what shoud I do?
10:11 Megaf VanessaE, git clone thing
10:11 VanessaE Megaf: you're already doing it.
10:11 Megaf then git checkout
10:11 Megaf than git what?
10:11 xyz|imaginary then cmake then make
10:11 VanessaE git checkout <some branch> and then cmake/make like you usually do.
10:11 VanessaE like I said, you're already doing it
10:12 Megaf 08:10:30: ERROR[main]: /home/megaf/freeminer/bin/../builtin/mainmenu.lua:
10:12 Megaf 08:10:30: ERROR[main]: /home/megaf/freeminer/bin/.​./builtin/mainmenu.lua:260: attempt to call field 'get_texturepath_share' (a nil value)
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10:12 Megaf I think I did something wrong
10:13 xyz|imaginary yes
10:13 Megaf $ git clone https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer.git
10:14 Megaf $ git checkout enet
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10:14 Megaf now git pull, right?
10:14 Megaf or just cmake?
10:14 Megaf I mean
10:14 Megaf $ git clone https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer.git
10:14 Megaf $ cd freeminer/
10:14 Megaf $ git checkout enet
10:15 VanessaE cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 and whatever other options you need
10:15 VanessaE make -j2 etc etc
10:15 Megaf VanessaE, without git pull?
10:15 VanessaE same crap you usually use when you test an experimental build
10:15 VanessaE you already pulled "seconds ago",
10:16 Megaf people need to learn to be direct and objective
10:16 xyz|imaginary lol
10:16 xyz|imaginary no way i'm asking for help next time
10:16 VanessaE I'm not direct?
10:16 VanessaE O.o
10:16 Megaf No, you are not
10:16 proller +   git submodule update --init --recursive
10:16 xyz|imaginary meh but then people will bitch that nothing's being developed
10:16 xyz|imaginary uhh this is so hard
10:17 Megaf xyz|imaginary, wow, you changed the menu?
10:18 Megaf heh, the media part is always slow
10:19 xyz|imaginary there's 10 mb of media; i think about increasing it to 100
10:19 xyz|imaginary to test stuffs
10:19 Megaf xyz|imaginary, why you no online??
10:19 xyz|imaginary but on my home connection I was able to download everything in 15 seconds
10:19 xyz|imaginary Megaf: because all ports are blocked here
10:19 xyz|imaginary (uni)
10:19 xyz|imaginary aaanyway, is it fast?
10:20 Megaf why freeminer doesst show FPS?
10:20 xyz|imaginary i'm talking about network stuff, not fps
10:20 xyz|imaginary i think you should activate debug mode to show fps
10:20 Megaf it shows on F5
10:21 Megaf xyz|imaginary, as fast as mine with no players on in the begining of the server
10:21 Megaf so, its really fast
10:21 xyz|imaginary well i was talking about network stuff
10:22 xyz|imaginary so this is not really helpful; how long did it take to load the media?
10:22 Megaf however > 300% of jitter
10:22 Megaf xyz|imaginary, about a minute or two to get media
10:22 xyz|imaginary what's your connection speed?
10:22 xyz|imaginary and location
10:22 Megaf 10 mbps
10:23 Megaf 08:22:57: INFO[main]: Audio: Deinitialized.
10:23 Megaf Segmentation fault
10:23 xyz|imaginary hmm.. well i guess it's fine
10:23 Megaf when exiting to menu
10:23 xyz|imaginary ah, i'll look into it
10:24 xyz|imaginary have to go, bye
10:29 Megaf one thing I really like is that it seems it really cached media
10:29 Megaf second time I connected to it was pretty damn fast
10:31 thexyz minetest does that too
10:31 Megaf nope
10:32 Megaf not that much
10:32 Megaf thexyz, well, making changes to the code and forking and making it fast is easy
10:32 thexyz no, exactly that much
10:32 thexyz lol
10:32 Megaf now I want to see those improvements go back to minetest
10:33 Megaf that's the hard part
10:33 thexyz it's easy?
10:33 thexyz wow
10:33 thexyz shit
10:33 thexyz i can't even believe someone can say that
10:33 thexyz anyway
10:33 Megaf thexyz, easier than make minetest people accept your changes
10:33 Megaf thexyz, that's how hard it seems
10:33 thexyz if you see improvement that's only because the protocol sucked before
10:34 thexyz no, accepting change like that is impossible
10:34 Megaf proller said he had to wait 6 months for a pull request
10:34 VanessaE figurative.
10:35 thexyz well that's why there's a fork
10:35 arsdragonfly http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~tromer/acoustic/
10:35 thexyz perhaps i shouldn't even bother anymore
10:35 arsdragonfly !title
10:35 MinetestBot arsdragonfly: Acoustic cryptanalysis
10:36 Megaf also, you need to fix shaders on opensource radeon driver
10:37 thexyz i?
10:37 thexyz why me?
10:37 Megaf That's one thing I don't like in English, "you", same word for plural and singular
10:38 Megaf also, you (minetest core developers) need to fix shaders on opensource radeon driver
10:38 thexyz yeah sure
10:38 thexyz ask rba
10:41 Megaf each time I connect to my server I have to wait for the world to load
10:41 Megaf then it should be cached already
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10:48 Megaf Ok. See you soon
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10:54 rubenwardy Spammer: https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=8640
10:54 rubenwardy Done 7 spam posts
10:54 rubenwardy ie: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8051
10:54 VanessaE *banhammer*
10:54 rubenwardy VanessaE, sfan5, thexyz,
10:54 rubenwardy ok
10:55 VanessaE spam?  what spam? ;)
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11:16 thexyz aww tell him that he has to wait for world to load only because the current protocol is slow
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11:37 raffahacks Hi megaf
11:37 MegafAtWork Hi raffahacks
11:37 raffahacks Did u have success
11:41 raffahacks With minetest mac
11:44 MegafAtWork raffahacks, I'm giving a time for that, to much stuff to do
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11:50 raffahacks Understand
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12:26 sfan5 xyz|imaginary: it was probably my internet
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12:28 MegafAtWork Ok, rebooting and going from Debian Wheezy to OS X Mavericks
12:28 MegafAtWork see you soon
12:28 VanessaE bbl, bedtime
12:28 * VanessaE risks suspending her computer :)
12:29 VanessaE eet werks!
12:30 VanessaE :D
12:30 VanessaE night all
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12:32 Megaf Hi there
12:43 Megaf Thats weird
12:43 Megaf x$ ./configure --enable-shared --enable-static
12:43 Megaf -bash: ./configure: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
12:44 Megaf trying to compile libjpeg on mac
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13:12 Megaf !seen jpenguin
13:12 MinetestBot Megaf: Sorry, I haven't seen jpenguin around.
13:13 thexyz Megaf: run `file configure`
13:14 Megaf configure: POSIX shell script text executable
13:17 E4xoi ^M
13:17 E4xoi convert it to \n?
13:23 thexyz hm.. for some reason my brain thinks this is related to cr lf issue
13:23 thexyz anyway
13:24 thexyz we're having a party at xyz.is:30000 with bots so please join if you have time!
13:24 E4xoi brb ddosing w/ botnet
13:24 thexyz those bots are useless
13:24 thexyz they only die
13:25 thexyz and flood the spawn with dieboxes
13:25 Megaf man, I just can't compile this on Mac
13:26 Megaf This guy done that once https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2011
13:28 thexyz all those bots do is die and disconnect
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13:29 thexyz in any case, the game was playable at 30 clients i think
13:30 thexyz which is not many
13:30 thexyz but for Minetest that's a great achievement
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13:37 troller 38 reached!
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13:58 Megaf well, I got libjpeg compiled
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13:58 Megaf the configure was edited on windows my someone who dont understand anything about computers
13:58 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
13:59 Megaf Hi PilzAdam
14:00 Peacock ben law' batlhmey SoH, 'ej tuqwIj
14:00 Peacock (no im not drunk, it's klingon) :P
14:01 thexyz still no lag!
14:01 Megaf $ ./minetestmapper.py -i ../worlds/world/ -o test.png
14:01 Megaf Result image (w=3008 h=3008) will be written to test.png
14:01 Megaf Processing sector 200 of 32012 (0.6%) (ETA: 19m 5s)
14:01 Peacock watch that ETA jump to two hours and back :p
14:02 Megaf Peacock, bad thing is this is using only a single core
14:02 thexyz this shouldn't be that hard to parallel
14:02 thexyz just divide it into regions
14:02 thexyz and only draw those regions, and then combine
14:02 Peacock ee gads, compiling minetest on my monocore (p4) takes about 20-30 minutes
14:03 Peacock the new tower, about 5 mins or less lol
14:03 thexyz > not using distcc with your powerful dual-cpu xeon mobo
14:03 Megaf Gonna have lunch now, cya
14:04 thexyz lol
14:05 Peacock liquid lunch i see :P
14:08 MegafHavingLunch Processing sector 10400 of 32012 (32.5%) (ETA: 15m 7s)
14:08 MegafHavingLunch Actually I'm cooking it
14:08 MegafHavingLunch It will be a quick one
14:08 MegafHavingLunch fried eggs with sushi rice
14:08 thexyz you shouldn't eat at your pc
14:13 MegafHavingLunch thexyz, worry not, I'm not eating near my keyboard
14:13 MegafHavingLunch I have a table at my side
14:13 MegafHavingLunch Processing sector 15200 of 32012 (47.5%) (ETA: 13m 51s)
14:13 MegafHavingLunch This rice is delicious
14:14 MegafHavingLunch so are the eggs
14:14 MegafHavingLunch I'm a good cook
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14:55 arsdragonfly thexyz where's your enet repo?
14:55 thexyz arsdragonfly: https://github.com/xyzz/freeminer branch enet
14:56 arsdragonfly k thx
14:56 arsdragonfly gonna give it a try :-P
14:56 thexyz sure
14:56 thexyz xyz.is:30000 welcomes you
14:57 thexyz although the party is over
14:58 w_laenger !up xyz.is 30000
14:59 MinetestBot xyz.is:30000 seems to be down
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14:59 thexyz of course it'll say it's down
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15:04 * zsoltisawesome is quite depressed
15:04 * zsoltisawesome puts a kitten on sfan5's head
15:05 Peacock depressed? dont they have off-licenses where you're from?
15:05 zsoltisawesome what?
15:05 Peacock liquor stores :P
15:05 zsoltisawesome oh XD
15:05 zsoltisawesome yes, very much so
15:05 Peacock bars and restaurants have licenses, a liquor store is an off-license :P
15:06 FreeFull I think a /suicide or /spawn command should be part of vanilla minetest
15:06 zsoltisawesome ya
15:06 troller FM already have /die
15:06 zsoltisawesome i made a command to heal, but you can only use if you are in Semi-Creative
15:07 * arsdragonfly wishes he could fetch the media faster than cloning the repo
15:07 arsdragonfly ~20kb/s :-(
15:07 zsoltisawesome Enable damage & Creative mode, for all you that don't know that
15:07 zsoltisawesome woah
15:07 zsoltisawesome thats pretty slow
15:08 thexyz arsdragonfly: you can just download a zipball from github
15:08 Peacock 20kbps... suddenly, faxmodems and napster lol
15:08 thexyz without git history if you don't need it
15:08 thexyz also the specified server has 10 mb of media
15:08 zsoltisawesome git is annoying
15:09 thexyz it's not
15:09 thexyz it also has an option for depth
15:09 arsdragonfly usually i connect to a server before going to lunch/dinner
15:10 zsoltisawesome lol, and when you come back its finnaly done?
15:10 Peacock lol
15:10 arsdragonfly lol maybe
15:10 zsoltisawesome lol
15:10 thexyz lol
15:11 Peacock well when this thing started out people didn't have a hundred mods and 256x256 textures, shit sure loaded faster :P
15:11 thexyz enet is fast
15:11 troller 41 ppl online on sky!
15:11 Peacock so i read but they're still not sure if they wanna do that or tcp/udp
15:12 Peacock ive been hearing about tcp for as long as i've been here and ittl probably take another 3 years to get it done :P so i'd go with enet
15:12 thexyz well apparently celeron55 has agreed at first that enet is fine
15:13 thexyz but then some other people told him "why not just use tcp" and we switched to it
15:13 thexyz to tcp+udp or so it seems
15:13 thexyz well good luck, what else can I say
15:13 Peacock like i said, people have been saying to use TCP for nigh on two years, and it's still not done
15:13 thexyz maybe it'll be done this time
15:13 zsoltisawesome what do you all think of this? ----> http://www.spawnapps.com
15:13 thexyz i mean, adding enet is another dependency, this is unacceptable
15:14 thexyz it's easier to fix current udp stack, isn't it?
15:14 thexyz and we'll get compatible protocol which is what everybody wants
15:14 arsdragonfly troller: and tons of guest users
15:14 Peacock well with 0.5.x around the corner compatibility will probably still be an issue then
15:15 thexyz dunno
15:15 thexyz they want to do tcp + udp
15:15 thexyz we (freeminer) want to do something doable
15:15 thexyz or at least I do
15:15 Peacock unless there are no big changes planned for 0.5.x, but that would suck lol
15:15 thexyz plus protocol probably will be changed in the fork anyway
15:15 thexyz to support easier extension
15:16 Peacock future-proofing is always good
15:16 zsoltisawesome who wrote the AlternativeTo thing on Minetest?
15:16 zsoltisawesome http://alternativeto.net/software/minetest-c55/
15:17 Peacock top likes Minecraft and Blockscape
15:17 Peacock dunno who created that page tho, they seem to do it for all games
15:18 Peacock well, that was a waste of time, klingon font won't load with css3 :(
15:19 thexyz -c55
15:20 thexyz must be an old page
15:20 thexyz > Haix half a girl goddess who fight to save their world, which suffers from the ambitious plans of the moon goddess, who jealous of the sun god try to exterminate the human race, to regain the attention of the...
15:20 MegafHavingLunch sfan5, can you change the name to Minetest_WorldEdit? https://github.com/Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit
15:22 thexyz why?
15:22 troller arsdragonfly, but it works without lbig lag
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15:23 MegafHavingLunch because minetest wont accept "-" in mods names
15:23 thexyz lol
15:23 thexyz please break all existing clones because i'm too lazy to type `git clone [..] minetest_worldedit`
15:23 zsoltisawesome LOL MegafHavingLunch
15:23 thexyz please sfan5
15:23 thexyz do eet
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15:24 zsoltisawesome thexyz: did you just type what you were too lazy to type?
15:24 thexyz eh
15:24 thexyz that was a quote
15:24 MegafHavingLunch lol
15:25 MegafHavingLunch I didint know I could do that
15:25 MegafHavingLunch lol
15:26 Peacock i'll be damned "Supreme Court declares Canada’s anti-prostitution laws unconstitutional in landmark ruling"
15:28 zsoltisawesome damn twitter
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15:31 arsdragonfly oooops
15:31 arsdragonfly thexyz : RE-SENDING timed-out RELIABLE to 144.76.218.101:30000(t/o=3): from_peer_id=0, channel=0, seqnum=65500
15:31 thexyz what is that?
15:31 thexyz i think i said to use the `enet` branch
15:31 arsdragonfly ^ repeatedly appeared in the verbose log
15:32 arsdragonfly oh hell
15:32 arsdragonfly i forgot that
15:43 zsoltisawesome and, silence..........
15:44 arsdragonfly lol item and node definitions are loaded incredibly fast
15:45 arsdragonfly thexyz: 02:05 to load the media
15:46 arsdragonfly that's really AWESOME
15:47 zsoltisawesome guys http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Derpy#Charity_auction
15:48 blubblubb >2011
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15:50 Peacock Good lord another snowstorm lol
15:50 * zsoltisawesome puts Derpy Hooves on Jordach's head
15:51 Peacock jordach's not allowed around animals, something about an inappropriate petting incident... :P
15:51 Jordach you've made that joke before
15:52 arsdragonfly so far everything goes swiftly like a singleplayer game
15:52 arsdragonfly btw check out my mod
15:52 arsdragonfly https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7253
15:53 arsdragonfly gtg, cya
15:53 Peacock well twice isn't so bad when you compare how often people make the same complaints about <company||software||etc> :P
15:54 thexyz arsdragonfly: that's nice
15:54 thexyz eh
15:54 thexyz although 2 minutes to load 10 mb isn't incredibly fast I know nothing about his connection
15:55 thexyz and that's definitely better than \inf
15:57 phantombeta Hi
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16:01 raffahacks Hi pilzadam
16:01 raffahacks Can you tell me please how to build a portal
16:02 PilzAdam raffahacks, have you read https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5790 ?
16:02 Peacock using particle accelerators it is possible to create a quantum singularity, though where it leads, no one knows
16:03 zsoltisawesome raffahacks: good to see you again!
16:03 raffahacks Hi!
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16:04 zsoltisawesome i got a twitther
16:05 raffahacks Sorry chatting with an old phone which cannot chat and see Web pages at the same moment
16:05 raffahacks Which is ur nick
16:05 zsoltisawesome @RealTinyMonster
16:05 zsoltisawesome :D
16:06 raffahacks Thanks follow
16:06 zsoltisawesome welcome
16:06 raffahacks Will follow u
16:06 zsoltisawesome ok
16:07 raffahacks I build a 4x3 portal and ignited with mese quartz
16:07 raffahacks But doesnt work
16:07 PilzAdam 4x3?
16:08 zsoltisawesome its supposed to be like 5x4
16:08 raffahacks Also tried with 6x4 (portal area)
16:08 raffahacks 5x4? Try
16:09 PilzAdam make sure you dont try to what you can see in the screenshots
16:09 raffahacks Why
16:09 MegafAtWork Almost there compiling Minetest for Mac OS X
16:09 MegafAtWork http://paste.debian.net/71946/
16:09 raffahacks Thanx!
16:10 raffahacks Does it work?
16:11 MegafAtWork raffahacks: I can't compile it yet
16:11 MegafAtWork not easy
16:11 raffahacks Whats the matter?
16:12 MegafAtWork http://paste.debian.net/71946/
16:12 raffahacks Cannot see urls with my old device, sorry
16:13 zsoltisawesome summary: -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
16:13 zsoltisawesome See also "/Users/reglnx/minetest/CM​akeFiles/CMakeOutput.log".
16:13 Jordach :o
16:13 Jordach REALLY?!
16:13 raffahacks Thanks
16:14 zsoltisawesome welcome
16:18 raffahacks Did someone think about a minetest android?
16:18 raffahacks Or, maybe, a Minetest pocket
16:18 Jordach it was illegal (the one in the play store)
16:18 zsoltisawesome ya, a bunch of people did
16:18 raffahacks With reduced functions
16:19 raffahacks Which one was illegal
16:19 Jordach all the minetest based ones
16:19 raffahacks And which bunch of people did? :)
16:20 Jordach we don't know
16:20 raffahacks Are there any mt based games on play store
16:20 Jordach no
16:22 raffahacks A bunch of people... Who?
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16:23 raffahacks Sorry escaped did you say anyth
16:25 thexyz the one I'm doing is not illegal
16:25 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: CMake Error at cmake/Modules/FindOpenGLES2.cmake:44 (create_search_paths):
16:25 MegafAtWork How do I disable that?
16:26 thexyz just comment this call in src/cmakelists.txt
16:26 thexyz you don't need opengles on a mac anyway
16:27 thexyz i'm not sure why wouldn't it work though; perhaps you have an ancient cmake?
16:27 MegafAtWork someone had the same problem a couple of months ago http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-05-10
16:27 MegafAtWork thexyz: I got the latest from its site
16:27 thexyz what's its version?
16:27 thexyz maybe it's too new then
16:28 thexyz ah well I see
16:28 thexyz kahrl seems to know what caused it then
16:28 MegafAtWork thexyz: How do I comment that?
16:28 MegafAtWork #?
16:28 thexyz eh
16:28 MegafAtWork or /*
16:28 MegafAtWork or @
16:29 thexyz why not try both instead of asking me? why not look at the file? there are comments everywhere
16:29 MegafAtWork not everywhere
16:29 MegafAtWork it took me some time to find some
16:29 thexyz and in the end you can just delete it
16:29 thexyz but it's too easy to highlight me, right?
16:30 MegafAtWork Sure
16:30 MegafAtWork well, Only one error left
16:30 MegafAtWork http://paste.debian.net/71951/
16:31 MegafAtWork CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:171 (install):
16:31 MegafAtWork install FILES given no DESTINATION!
16:34 MegafAtWork I don't know how to fix that
16:34 PilzAdam what is that line your file?
16:35 MegafAtWork find_package(Sqlite3 REQUIRED)
16:35 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: So I have to get sqlite
16:35 MegafAtWork I think
16:35 OWNSyouAll MegafAtWork, do you have sqlite installed?
16:35 MegafAtWork OWNSyouAll: It's not Linux :P
16:35 PilzAdam that doesnt make any sense
16:36 PilzAdam recheck if the line number and file is correct
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16:37 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: That's the 171 line of src/CMakeLists.txt
16:38 MegafAtWork according to nano editor
16:38 PilzAdam there are other CMakeLists.txt
16:39 thexyz it's a root cmakelists.txt
16:39 MegafAtWork PilzAdam:         install(FILES "misc/minetest.desktop" DESTINATION "${XDG_APPS_DIR}")
16:40 MegafAtWork I think I can just comment that out
16:41 PilzAdam it seems like there is no XDG_APPS_DIR on mac
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16:41 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: theres no such a .desktop thing either
16:41 Jordach crapple shits on standards and forces others to use their own standard
16:41 nore hi all
16:42 MegafAtWork hi nore
16:42 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: Aint I safe to comment that?
16:42 PilzAdam dunno
16:42 PilzAdam I guess thats the launch icon or so
16:43 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: It is cmaked!! http://paste.debian.net/71953/
16:43 MegafAtWork But, will it blend? I mean, compile?
16:43 PilzAdam now make and get thousands of errors
16:44 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: yep
16:44 MegafAtWork quite a lot
16:44 PilzAdam do you know enough c++ to fix them?
16:44 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: http://paste.debian.net/71954/
16:45 thexyz that's just a warning
16:45 thexyz why would it not compile?
16:45 PilzAdam "1 warning and 1 error generated."
16:45 MegafAtWork In file included from /Users/reglnx/minetest/src/util/container.h:27:
16:45 MegafAtWork clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, &ts);
16:46 MegafAtWork In file included from /Users/reglnx/minetest/src/util/container.h:27:
16:46 MegafAtWork clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, &ts);
16:46 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, use a pastebin
16:46 MegafAtWork Thats the two errors I think
16:46 MegafAtWork uh, theres more
16:46 MegafAtWork hold on
16:46 * Leoneof wishes to have minetest with 60fps
16:46 thexyz it's not that hard to just pastebin everything is it
16:47 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: Heres the whole thing http://paste.debian.net/71955/
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16:47 MegafAtWork Leoneof: Thats easy, I limited mine in 28 FPS and set 25 as ideal
16:48 MegafAtWork just turn shader, smooth lightening and other shit off
16:48 PilzAdam http://stackoverflow.com/questions/51672​69/clock-gettime-alternative-in-mac-os-x
16:48 thexyz sfan5: can you please build my enet branch for windows?
16:49 thexyz sfan5: though wait a bit
16:51 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, try https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/8057716
16:53 MegafAtWork how do I use diff?
16:54 PilzAdam wget https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/8057716/raw/85c2e​8731e38284771940d69e3a262937edfdcdb/gistfile1.diff && git apply gistfile1.diff
16:54 PilzAdam (in the root minetest dir)
16:54 thexyz sfan5: okay, it's ready now
16:54 PilzAdam eh, does Mac have wget?
16:54 thexyz sfan5: please make a windows build if you have time
16:54 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: k
16:55 MegafAtWork $ git apply gistfile1.diff
16:55 MegafAtWork fatal: corrupt patch at line 23
16:56 PilzAdam add a space and a tab in that line
16:56 MegafAtWork I will do by hand
16:56 PilzAdam (forgot to copy that into the gist)
16:57 MegafAtWork error: patch failed: src/porting.h:213
16:57 MegafAtWork error: src/porting.h: patch does not apply
16:59 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: Can I change that by hand?
16:59 PilzAdam sure
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17:05 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, .... and?
17:05 MegafAtWork http://paste.debian.net/71966/
17:05 MegafAtWork is this right?
17:05 MegafAtWork Ops, */
17:06 PilzAdam try it!
17:06 MegafAtWork Ok, hold tight
17:07 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: nope, that gonna take a long time to fix
17:07 thexyz lol that's not how you port shit
17:07 thexyz if something doesn't work
17:07 thexyz then just fuckit
17:07 thexyz so just replace the whole function with `return 0`
17:07 thexyz still doesn't work?
17:07 thexyz fuckit even more!
17:07 MegafAtWork http://paste.debian.net/71968/
17:07 PilzAdam thexyz, well, its better to properly fix it, isnt it?
17:07 thexyz after you've managed to run it
17:07 thexyz you do what he said
17:08 * MegafAtWork agrees with PilzAdam
17:08 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, these 4 lines: https://gist.github.com/jbenet/10​87739#file-current_utc_time-c-L11
17:08 PilzAdam at them to the includes
17:08 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: Would you like Mac VPS?
17:08 thexyz the problem is that now it's just a waste of time
17:08 thexyz because in the end something else will epicly fail anyway
17:08 zsoltisawesome i would
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17:08 thexyz and you won't get your precious mac port
17:08 PilzAdam thexyz, its a fun way to waste time
17:08 thexyz so why spend time properly fixing stuff?
17:09 thexyz well if your time costs nothing then for sure
17:09 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: I agree again
17:09 thexyz just waste it on useless crap
17:09 MegafAtWork And its a good way to learn too
17:09 PilzAdam also we could merge that to upstream, so its easier for future builders
17:09 MegafAtWork we learned a lot already
17:09 thexyz you can't just merge it if you can't test it
17:09 zsoltisawesome thexyz: this IS useless crap
17:09 thexyz and you won't be able to test it if you fail to compile it and run
17:09 thexyz anyway, have fun
17:10 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: In what file?
17:10 PilzAdam porting.h
17:10 MegafAtWork same one?
17:11 MegafAtWork isn't there another file that is included by everything else?
17:11 PilzAdam put it at line 191 or so
17:14 zsoltisawesome http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumb​lr_lpsujs1pzV1qik6c3o1_500.jpg
17:14 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: That was ugly
17:14 thexyz > stupid "funny" pony meme pic
17:14 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, hm?
17:15 rubenwardy Hi all
17:15 zsoltisawesome hi ruben
17:16 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: http://paste.debian.net/71971/
17:16 zsoltisawesome MegafAtWork: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumb​lr_lpreaadjye1qik6c3o1_1280.jpg
17:16 E4xoi thexyz: that comment is 0.5DOGE worth
17:17 thexyz E4xoi: i don't have a doge wallet
17:17 E4xoi :(
17:17 thexyz seriously that pony community is the worst
17:17 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, wat?
17:17 E4xoi doge is the future, wow; to the moon!
17:17 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, what have you done?
17:17 zsoltisawesome very currency
17:17 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: I think we can't fix that
17:18 MegafAtWork oh dear
17:18 MegafAtWork hold on
17:18 rubenwardy If I kill myself, it will be because I was mentally damaged by those pictures, zsoltisawesome.
17:18 rubenwardy :P
17:18 rubenwardy I dont get bronies
17:19 rubenwardy Why have horses, when you can have unicorns?
17:19 zsoltisawesome rubenwardy: hehe
17:19 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: I did this http://paste.debian.net/71972/
17:19 thexyz no please no unicorns
17:19 thexyz we need our github working
17:20 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, ...... add it to line 191, you cant include inside of functions
17:20 thexyz lol
17:20 thexyz seriously, why doesn't this work?
17:20 * MegafAtWork needs to remember C++
17:20 thexyz we both know this is wrong; you can include anywhere
17:20 PilzAdam s/remember/learn/
17:20 thexyz the preprocessor doesn't care
17:20 zsoltisawesome rubenwardy: why have one when you can have TWO! http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__c​b20130331174759/poohadventures/images​/b/bf/Princess_Twilight_Sparkle.png
17:20 PilzAdam thexyz, well, we both know what I mean
17:21 thexyz http://simg.gelbooru.com//images/1889/23e​1b291feccba4f8880bb1f536c2b33.jpg?2100279
17:21 thexyz getting on my nerves
17:21 thexyz PilzAdam: yeah, but that could confuse people who, ahem, don't know the language
17:21 zsoltisawesome hmm
17:21 thexyz (i don't have time to search for pics so i'll just repost them)
17:21 zsoltisawesome thexyz: what a pretty picture....
17:21 PilzAdam yea, always explaining everything with all details and exceptions is the best way to teach things
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17:22 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: like this? http://paste.debian.net/71973/
17:22 PilzAdam yes!
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17:23 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: then we got this http://paste.debian.net/71975/
17:24 PilzAdam replace -> with a .
17:24 PilzAdam (in the gist I took this from it was a pointer)
17:25 rubenwardy hmm
17:25 zsoltisawesome #minetest-dev anyone?
17:25 E4xoi you should mine DOGE and buy a Mac w/ it
17:26 E4xoi ^ PilzAdam
17:26 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: what do you mean?
17:26 PilzAdam ts.tv_sec instead of ts->tv_sec
17:26 zsoltisawesome ts->tv_nsec to ts.tv_nsec
17:26 PilzAdam same for both lines
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17:26 thexyz rubenwardy: http://simg.gelbooru.com//samples/1759/sample​_349be2df1869d770f70708b426cc9839.jpg?1971092
17:26 rubenwardy I am not going to click that
17:27 thexyz why?
17:27 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: Ok, I get it
17:27 thexyz that's not some shitty ponyshit
17:27 zsoltisawesome lol
17:27 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: like ts->tv to ts.tv
17:27 zsoltisawesome its a wierd person with a barcode on their arm
17:27 thexyz i mean, they aren't even trying to draw them
17:27 PilzAdam thexyz, its shitty animeshit
17:27 zsoltisawesome lol
17:27 thexyz but anime is technology
17:28 zsoltisawesome s/technology/shit
17:28 MegafAtWork 15%
17:28 E4xoi you're shit :(
17:28 MegafAtWork 18%
17:28 MegafAtWork 25% PilzAdam !
17:28 E4xoi 26.01%!
17:29 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, ping me at 100&
17:29 MegafAtWork 35%
17:29 PilzAdam *%
17:29 thexyz zsoltisawesome: so technology is shit?
17:29 thexyz don't deny it
17:29 thexyz you're using the technology right now
17:29 PilzAdam thexyz, no, technology is replaced by shit
17:29 zsoltisawesome lol
17:29 PilzAdam (see Apple)
17:29 thexyz and?
17:29 zsoltisawesome lol
17:29 PilzAdam what and? Im just saying random things
17:30 thexyz "i'm just shitting words"
17:31 thexyz then don't expect anyone to treat you seriously
17:31 zsoltisawesome s/words/insults
17:32 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: Error at 97%
17:32 thexyz that's not how sed works, you also need to add trailing /
17:32 MegafAtWork http://paste.debian.net/71980/
17:32 thexyz but let's say it's sed with irc patches!
17:32 MegafAtWork I have to work now, brb
17:33 thexyz i wonder where he works
17:33 thexyz anyway, just remove this linker flag
17:35 MegafAtWork thexyz: ZARA
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17:35 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, dunno...
17:36 MegafAtWork or maybe Nike
17:36 MegafAtWork lol
17:36 zsoltisawesome MegafAtWork: da clothing company?
17:36 MegafAtWork zsoltisawesome: Nope, I work for Microsoft
17:37 MegafAtWork nah, just kidding, Im not talking where I work
17:38 thexyz why not?
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17:39 zsoltisawesome Hi NekoGloop
17:41 zsoltisawesome ORANGE JOUSE
17:42 zsoltisawesome MegafAtWork: So you are compiling MT for Mac at work?
17:42 MegafAtWork yep
17:43 MegafAtWork Im working on my work desktop and my personal mac is by my side
17:45 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, try what thexyz suggested
17:46 MegafAtWork I will, just let me finish some work I have due
17:46 zsoltisawesome lol
17:49 thexyz sfan5: here's the bribe http://simg.gelbooru.com//samples/937/sample_​bdcb4ae97dc8844a0de141a0f1b498bd.jpg?1136847
17:49 thexyz sfan5: IS still shit though
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18:03 MegafAtWork Im almost ready with my work
18:05 MegafAtWork thexyz: Remove where?
18:06 thexyz dunno
18:06 PilzAdam it would be nice to know what fails to link
18:07 PilzAdam "use -v to see invocation"
18:08 MegafAtWork I can't believe we gonna fail so close to the end http://paste.debian.net/71986/
18:08 MegafAtWork hold on
18:09 MegafAtWork is this https://github.com/minetest/minet​est/search?q=lrt&amp;ref=cmdform ?
18:09 thexyz getting it to compile is not the end
18:09 thexyz I mean, if you fail to get it to compile then you shouldn't even try to port it
18:09 thexyz also I dunno really, maybe we do use some functions from this library
18:09 thexyz or some other dependency does
18:10 MegafAtWork https://github.com/minetest/minet​est/search?q=lrt&amp;ref=cmdform Perhaps I could just change flags
18:10 thexyz it won't hurt to try
18:12 MegafAtWork well, I just removed the -lrt
18:13 MegafAtWork it compiled
18:13 MegafAtWork will it run?
18:13 MegafAtWork nope
18:13 MegafAtWork http://paste.debian.net/71988/
18:14 MegafAtWork It missed the bus
18:15 PilzAdam "STATIC_SHAREDIR=/usr/local/share/minetest" that seems wrong to me
18:16 zsoltisawesome MegafAtWork: Hahahaha LOL'd so hard
18:17 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: you think so? lol
18:17 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, see lines 73 and following in CMakelists.txt (in the root dir)
18:18 zsoltisawesome !seen lordcirth
18:18 MinetestBot zsoltisawesome: lordcirth was last seen at 2013-12-17 05:57:26 UTC on #minetest
18:19 zsoltisawesome Jordach: Your Gen 5 IS awesome
18:20 thexyz and now the really interesting stuff begins
18:21 thexyz first, compile a debug build; then run it in gdb
18:21 thexyz (although I'd recomment cgdb)
18:21 thexyz recommend
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18:26 thexyz no?
18:28 * zsoltisawesome puts Derpy Hooves on Calinou's head
18:29 * zsoltisawesome hugs http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__c​b20130331174759/poohadventures/images​/b/bf/Princess_Twilight_Sparkle.png
18:29 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8053 do you think we should tell him?
18:29 zsoltisawesome yes
18:29 thexyz http://simg.gelbooru.com//samples/1888/sample​_405fd907dc8d4fdab7cfcdec2e523f8d.jpg?2100053
18:30 thexyz nah, I can't do that
18:30 zsoltisawesome why is she reading a book
18:32 thexyz I.. don't know?
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18:36 Calinou happy 3rd birthday, Minecraft beta 1.0 and Warsow 0.6
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18:43 zsoltisawesome yay!
18:43 zsoltisawesome wait, MC?
18:43 zsoltisawesome no way
18:45 MegafAtWork PilzAdam:
18:45 MegafAtWork else()
18:45 MegafAtWork set(SHAREDIR "${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/${PROJECT_NAME}")
18:46 MegafAtWork Going home, brb
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18:50 Microchip hello, Vanessa
18:51 Microchip gtg
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18:52 VanessaE hi
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19:05 thexyz a daily reminder that buildcraft + its other versions already have about 160k installs
19:06 zsoltisawesome wahts buildcraft?
19:07 E4xoi if you take MT code, get it working for android and close its source code, you get a fresh buildcrash
19:07 E4xoi too many ADS btw, if they just had some on the main menu..
19:08 MegafHavingLunch Back
19:09 E4xoi wb
19:09 zsoltisawesome why _Megaf?
19:10 _Megaf Why what?
19:10 _Megaf you mean, the underline?
19:11 thexyz too much C
19:11 _Megaf Soon I'm using the nick Megaf on my Mac
19:12 thexyz afaik names starting with _ are reserved so you shouldn't call your variables like that
19:12 thexyz that's why _Complex is _Complex, for example
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19:12 thexyz until you #include <complex.h>
19:14 zsoltisawesome Calinou: !
19:15 _Megaf well, today was my last day of work this year, finally I will have some time
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19:16 Megaf so, How can I fix the sharedir thing?
19:17 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/71997/
19:19 thexyz just copy everything from windows
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19:22 zsoltisawesome Did that work?
19:22 _Megaf That actually makes sense
19:22 _Megaf zsoltisawesome, still compiling
19:22 zsoltisawesome ok
19:23 zsoltisawesome Megaf: Hehe, it does, doesn't it
19:23 Megaf nope
19:23 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/71998/
19:24 PilzAdam and now run it in gdb
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19:25 thexyz yes, that's what you should've done
19:25 zsoltisawesome It missed the bus again :(
19:25 thexyz instead of recompiling it once again
19:26 Megaf Ok, sorry
19:26 Megaf zsoltisawesome: Worry not, more buses are comming
19:26 Megaf is there gdb for mac?
19:27 E4xoi thexyz: __python__
19:27 Megaf "gdb has been replaced by lldb, and is no longer supported. gcc and llvm-gcc are also gone, replaced by clang."
19:28 thexyz why can't you find stuff yourself?
19:28 zsoltisawesome stackoverflow.com/questions/​8336433/gdb-on-macosx-lion‎
19:28 zsoltisawesome thexyz: Google is evil
19:28 thexyz shitposting is worse
19:28 Megaf http://paste.debian.net/72000/
19:29 Megaf cool, a round number
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19:31 Calinou zsoltisawesome, there are search engines other than Google :)
19:31 Calinou http://startpage.com
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19:31 Megaf Calinou: http://duckduckgo.com
19:32 thexyz the party is up @ xyz.is:30000
19:32 thexyz 30 bots or so
19:32 Calinou Megaf, yeah, but that's not Google results :P
19:32 Jordach thexyz, lagfest 'o clock?
19:32 thexyz it's running pretty ok
19:33 PilzAdam wtf?!
19:33 PilzAdam since when is tab meant to shut down Minetest?
19:33 Megaf What? What are you talking about?
19:34 harrison no ur!
19:34 PilzAdam !up xyz.is 30000
19:34 MinetestBot xyz.is:30000 seems to be down
19:34 thexyz meh of course this bot can't enet
19:35 kaeza greetings
19:38 harrison i insist again that i am not a bot
19:39 harrison i am a free chatter!
19:39 thexyz no one wants to party?
19:39 Jordach nobody here is interested in the bullshitty freeminer client
19:39 harrison freedom implies freedom to party
19:39 PilzAdam thexyz, noone has enet
19:39 thexyz it's easy to clone and compile
19:39 thexyz Jordach: nice joke
19:40 thexyz I think I'll ask proller to benchmark current minetest master on the same hardware
19:40 thexyz just for lulz
19:41 PilzAdam <thexyz> the problem is that now it's just a waste of time
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19:42 thexyz hm?
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19:45 specing Does anyone know which mod includes talonite?
19:48 E4xoi PilzAdam: close what where?
19:49 PilzAdam E4xoi, what?
19:50 E4xoi what closes when you press tab? and where
19:50 PilzAdam Minetest
19:50 E4xoi the lua mainmenu?
19:50 PilzAdam and inside the menu
19:50 E4xoi where exactly? it seems to be working for me
19:51 PilzAdam in the address bar in the Client tab
19:51 E4xoi works for me..
19:52 zsoltisawesome maybe PilzAdam is using a master build?
19:53 thexyz http://i.imgur.com/vaKXUAa.png
19:54 zsoltisawesome what is freeminer?
19:54 PilzAdam what is google?
19:55 zsoltisawesome PilzAdam: please don't be an ass
19:55 thexyz zsoltisawesome: http://freeminer.org/
19:55 PilzAdam zsoltisawesome, please dont be annyoing
19:55 thexyz is there a mod which implements quake/other-random-fps-like frag counter?
19:59 E4xoi zsoltisawesome: i'm using latest master
19:59 Jordach \o/
19:59 * Jordach can use 16 bits
19:59 Jordach basically, i've worked out a digilines + mesecons music player
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20:01 Jordach my first example is tetris
20:04 zsoltisawesome screenshot?
20:06 Jordach zsoltisawesome, i know how to build it (and code it), i just need to finish it
20:06 zsoltisawesome oh ok
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20:14 zsoltisawesome https://s16-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage​?ref=http%3A%2F%2Fknowyourmeme.com%2Fmemes%2Fd​erp&amp;ua=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFdpbmRvd3MgTlQgNi4​yOyBXaW42NDsgeDY0OyBydjoxNi4wLjEpIEdlY2tvLzIwM​TIxMDExIEZpcmVmb3gvMTYuMC4x&amp;uadata=ce2bebd​5a965136bdf1093b23126ff1f&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2​Fi0.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Foriginal%2​F000%2F122%2F114%2F130232443562.gif%3F13
20:14 zsoltisawesome 05073704&sp=96e59d7758e1ff8f3e7c5fe1a721ca​29&f=ed87495d6afedcf7395dea4c420b32bd.jpg
20:15 VanessaE paste FAIL
20:15 VanessaE next time use tinyurl or so :)
20:15 zsoltisawesome why?
20:15 VanessaE your IRC client broke that link across two separate messages
20:15 thexyz because irc sucks
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20:15 zsoltisawesome indeed
20:15 * Calinou steals Princess Twilight Sparkle from zsoltisawesome
20:15 thexyz we should switch to superior protocols
20:16 Calinou inb4 Skype
20:16 Calinou there are no superior protocols, really
20:16 thexyz that XMPP is
20:16 Calinou I've never seen any project use XMPP for coordination
20:16 thexyz why is it not superior?
20:16 thexyz it can't get popular because no one is using it; and no one is using it because it's not popular
20:17 zsoltisawesome lol
20:17 Jordach thexyz, you appear to be some retarded fuckwit who belives superior is better than the already established standard which already works for what people want
20:17 thexyz in Russia it's quite popular though
20:17 Calinou Jordach, please, don't use "retarded" as an insult. and mind your language ;)
20:17 ShadowNinja ^
20:17 thexyz why the hell is this person an op?
20:17 Calinou everyone breaks sometimes.
20:17 Jordach thexyz, you complain at others for shitposting when you do
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20:18 thexyz I think that we should remove OP status from him
20:18 Calinou thexyz, in Soviet Russia, popular is XMPP!
20:18 thexyz and perhaps moderator status too
20:18 zsoltisawesome Calinou: LOL
20:18 Calinou he does his job fine, I've never seen him abuse it
20:18 thexyz so calling other people "retarded fuckwit"'s is acceptable now
20:19 PilzAdam but he said something against freeminer!
20:19 * PilzAdam gallops away
20:19 thexyz what does this even mean
20:19 thexyz what's the point of insulting me this way if I don't even know what this means
20:19 thexyz lol
20:19 VanessaE he didn't say it under "the color of law" as we'd say here in the US so he's fine :)
20:19 Jordach if thexyz cannot take decent critique (or at least have someone oppose his thoughts), is more interested in saying x is truth, y is not
20:20 thexyz calling someone "retarded fuckwit" is decent critique since when?
20:20 VanessaE (whether you're a retarded fuckwit, which I rather doubt, is a different matter entirely)
20:20 Jordach the internet
20:20 thexyz anyway, I'll bring this issue on the -ops channel
20:21 Jordach thexyz, take your 4chan mindset elsewhere
20:21 VanessaE "But...he told me to go to HELL!"  "Well, I checked the law on that and... you don't have to go."  -- Robert Tyre Jones, Jr. to a client
20:21 Calinou thexyz, it's not acceptable. but don't "fire" someone immediatly for that
20:21 Jordach if none of you have learned i don't give a fuck about anyone
20:21 thexyz Calinou: let's stop this discussion here
20:22 Calinou ok :)
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20:22 Calinou Jordach, calm down too... you gotta live with other people's mindsets
20:22 zsoltisawesome what wrongwith xmpp?
20:22 VanessaE Jordach: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfee​d/000/212/895/Principal+Creepy+I+drew+it+D+​hope+you+like_37719b_303555.jpg?1323118053
20:25 zsoltisawesome and, silence..........
20:26 zsoltisawesome do they have a mac emulator?
20:26 VanessaE does whoi?
20:26 VanessaE -i
20:27 zsoltisawesome the world
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20:27 zsoltisawesome :|
20:27 VanessaE er
20:29 zsoltisawesome er wat
20:30 thexyz zsoltisawesome: I don't know; I think it's better than IRC
20:30 Calinou IRC fits our uses anyway... just don't paste very long links like that, if you need that, use an URL shortener
20:30 thexyz lol
20:31 zsoltisawesome google thinks it full of spammers
20:31 thexyz it fits our uses [...] just *don't*
20:31 thexyz perhaps then it doesn't?
20:31 thexyz just don't paste multiline messages
20:31 thexyz just don't paste long messages
20:31 Calinou you can write up to 4 lines in a row
20:31 thexyz just don't paste.. hmm... what else
20:31 Calinou clients could do it
20:31 E4xoi irc is a super-simple protocol
20:31 thexyz yes, it's another hack
20:31 Calinou you can paste pretty long messages, 4×200-characters or something
20:31 thexyz IRC consists of hacks
20:32 E4xoi lets use XMPP over IRC
20:32 zsoltisawesome hmm
20:32 Calinou if you do longer, there will be queues starting from the 5th line
20:32 thexyz we should just deprecate it
20:32 thexyz and move on
20:32 E4xoi thexyz: http://github.com/EXio4/IPoIRC!
20:32 thexyz I've seen this already
20:32 thexyz but how do you connect to IRC?
20:32 Calinou we should depreacte X.org, Windows, Office and IE too
20:32 * Calinou gallops away
20:33 thexyz this is true
20:33 thexyz at least the first one
20:33 Calinou all of them :>
20:33 ShadowNinja About 8x400 characters a second.
20:33 thexyz deprecating all of them at once is impossible
20:34 Calinou the first one is almost impossible already
20:34 E4xoi thexyz: you make a config with the details and then you just run ipoirc
20:34 Calinou very few wayland/mir-compatible applications for instance :P
20:34 E4xoi systemd is the way to go
20:34 zsoltisawesome i got a 404 "http://github.com/EXio4/IPoIRC!"
20:34 E4xoi remove the !
20:35 E4xoi it is some ugly code that somehow works, :P
20:35 Calinou and useless code
20:35 E4xoi what code is useless?
20:35 thexyz E4xoi: well... if I want ip over irc then I don't have IP, right?
20:35 thexyz or what is it?
20:36 E4xoi it is just a tun that relays all the data over IRC connections
20:36 thexyz Calinou: why is it useless code?
20:36 E4xoi and uses base64 for encoding it
20:36 thexyz heh
20:36 E4xoi and it was just for trying a thread-hell
20:36 Calinou because it sends random garbage and nothing else
20:36 Calinou but... it's multithreaded! </hurd selling arguments>
20:37 E4xoi the tun has two threads, one for reading and other for writing to the tun, and each irc connection has its own thread, plus +2 (for reading and writing)
20:37 thexyz ah.. I wanted you to say that no one will be using this code so it's useless
20:37 thexyz so then I could came and show this link: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pulls
20:38 thexyz s/a/o/
20:38 VanessaE E4xoi: unscramble your nick dammit :)
20:38 Exio4 by request!
20:38 * Calinou removes libexim4
20:38 PilzAdam !kick Jordach insulting other users
20:38 Jordach was kicked by MinetestBot: insulting other users
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20:38 Exio4 !kick PilzAdam using minetestbot for kicking users
20:39 Calinou !kick Exio4 having a scrambled nick
20:39 Exio4 dubstep remix your nick Calinou
20:39 Exio4 it will probably say "clopclop" after you shuffle it
20:40 Calinou I only have one c and one l, one o and no p
20:40 Exio4 your nick has hidden chars
20:40 Exio4 we all know it
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20:41 Calinou Clopinou :>
20:41 Microchip Who's on Realtest?
20:42 kaeza hey Microchip
20:42 kaeza wrong network :P
20:42 Microchip hi kaeza... oh?
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20:42 Microchip Does VE have a private one for her servers?
20:43 kaeza the servers are on irc.inchra.net
20:43 * Microchip facepalms
20:43 Microchip thanks...
20:43 kaeza no probs :P
20:45 zsoltisawesome YAAY
20:45 zsoltisawesome us{0gb: good to see you
20:45 us{0gb Hello, zsoltisawesome! Good to see you too.
20:45 zsoltisawesome minetest has died like a fart in the wind...
20:45 zsoltisawesome *moontest
20:45 zsoltisawesome excuse me!
20:48 zsoltisawesome https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=121965#p121965 is a sorta good post...
20:48 Calinou hi us{0gb
20:48 Calinou zsoltisawesome, it died like Princess Celestia on the moon. :3
20:48 zsoltisawesome s/Celestia/Luna
20:49 zsoltisawesome get it right :/...
20:49 Calinou zsoltisawesome, you are allowed to use Minetest textures for your own project; even for a commercial use
20:49 Calinou zsoltisawesome, no, isn't Luna from the moon? :P
20:49 zsoltisawesome no
20:50 Lunatrius luna tri us - moon three united states
20:50 Calinou luna tries us.
20:50 zsoltisawesome lol
20:50 us{0gb Hello, Calinou!
20:50 zsoltisawesome who is "us"?
20:50 zsoltisawesome xD
20:50 Calinou it's us{0gb!
20:51 Calinou random fact of the day: imageshack.us = images hack us
20:51 us{0gb I think Minetest textures are free, and thus can be used in commercial products.
20:51 us{0gb Nice.
20:51 zsoltisawesome they are under CC-BY-SA 3.0
20:52 zsoltisawesome well
20:52 Exio4 DOGE TO THE MOON!! wow
20:52 us{0gb CC-BY-SA code/other can be sold.
20:52 Exio4 much profit so currency such moon
20:52 zsoltisawesome very currency
20:52 Exio4 :D
20:52 zsoltisawesome damn
20:52 zsoltisawesome you was faster
20:52 us{0gb It's that "NC" you have to watch out for.
20:52 zsoltisawesome ya
20:53 zsoltisawesome umm could you halp me restore the texutures?
20:53 Calinou there is no NC or ND-licensed stuff in Minetest. it's fully free :)
20:53 us{0gb Exactly.
20:53 us{0gb Restore how?
20:54 Jordach still can't snort minetest as a drug: bodily cells are non libre
20:54 zsoltisawesome so, i have to make my content available under the same licence as well?
20:54 us{0gb The same or I think a compatible license will work.
20:54 zsoltisawesome well, if you look at the repo its striped of the textures
20:54 us{0gb I'll chech the archives you sent me.
20:54 zsoltisawesome cause i want my texture to be PD
20:55 zsoltisawesome aka CC0
20:55 Calinou Public Domain is not "also known as" CC0
20:55 us{0gb zsoltisawesome: Um. Problem. '/home/us_0gb/Downloads/Moontest-Dev-0.2-Lin.zip' Could not be opened
20:55 Calinou they are not entirely the same thing, but are quite similar actually
20:55 zsoltisawesome shit
20:55 us{0gb Same with the Windows counterpart.
20:56 zsoltisawesome well, we havent really made any textures yet in the new version, so we are fine
20:56 us{0gb What did you use to compress them?
20:56 zsoltisawesome XP compresser thiny
20:56 us{0gb Or maybe my decompressor is bugged. I'll find a known good .zip to try it on.
20:57 * us{0gb downloads the Minetest source .zip
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20:58 zsoltisawesome well, i have an idea
20:58 zsoltisawesome copy all the textures back
20:58 zsoltisawesome from minetest_game
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21:01 Calinou why would a decompressor not work with certain files? O_o
21:01 us{0gb zsoltisawesome: Okay, it's my decompresser that is bugged. It might need a plugin that I don't have.
21:02 zsoltisawesome is there a way to revert a repo back to a certain commit?
21:02 Jordach <VanessaE> http://pastebin.com/tg29czYn
21:02 us{0gb In Git, there's a way. I don't know it though.
21:02 VanessaE ha!
21:05 us{0gb If anyone knows, why does the Xfce suite come with a non-functioning decompresser? I mean, seriously.
21:05 Jordach sudo apt-get install file-roller
21:05 zsoltisawesome who knows
21:05 zsoltisawesome LOL
21:05 us{0gb I guess this is the wrong channel for that.
21:05 Jordach us{0gb, try what i just said
21:06 us{0gb Jordach: Is that a second decompresser or a plugin for the first?
21:06 Jordach us{0gb, fill-roller supports everything under the sun
21:06 Calinou file-troller
21:07 Calinou (I actually like file-roller, I don't dislike it)
21:07 Calinou us{0gb, it's GNOME's archive manager
21:07 us{0gb Hmm. Twenty dependencies. Now the question is, will having those also fix Squeeze? It would be amusing if it did.
21:08 Exio4 unzip or 7z
21:08 Exio4 guis are useless there
21:08 Exio4 and slower
21:08 zsoltisawesome SLOW
21:08 us{0gb I think I recall that 7z was under a weird license.
21:09 us{0gb Yup, installing File Roller fixed Squeeze. Both work now.
21:10 Calinou dependencies are not bad
21:11 Calinou better have them than reinvent the wheel every time
21:11 Jordach but who ever invented the other three was a genius
21:11 us{0gb I'm using a Xubuntu PPA, so maybe Xubuntu nomally has the required libraries to make Squeeze work.
21:11 Calinou XChat... you should use HexChat, just saying :P
21:12 us{0gb Calinou: I completely agree. I just meant that there were twenty chances to get the one Squeeze needs.
21:12 Calinou XChat is no longer maintained, it could have security issues
21:12 us{0gb HexChat isn't in my repo. I'll see if there is an addable repository.
21:13 Calinou there's a *buntu PPA
21:14 us{0gb I should probably readd the Minetest repo at some point as well. I haven't readded that since my last (and hopefully final) reset.
21:15 zsoltisawesome us{0gb: do you have the triquel credit card usb thing?
21:15 us{0gb zsoltisawesome: No. I'm told it will be sent, but I have not received it yet.
21:16 zsoltisawesome it is quite comical looking
21:16 us{0gb Do you have one?
21:17 thexyz what's that you're talking about?
21:17 us{0gb thexyz: Hold on, finding URI ...
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21:18 zsoltisawesome us{0gb: no, i've seen pictures
21:18 us{0gb thexyz: http://static.fsf.org/nosvn/dontcardomebro.jpg
21:18 us{0gb A credit-card sized bootable USB drive.
21:18 Calinou zsoltisawesome makes fun of it, I don't know whyh
21:18 Calinou -h
21:19 thexyz why is it credit-card sized?
21:20 zsoltisawesome so it can fit in your wallet or purse
21:20 us{0gb I think it's to make it easy to carry in your wallet. It doubles as a membership card.
21:20 thexyz membership card?
21:21 us{0gb Membership in the Free Software Foundation.
21:22 thexyz interesting
21:23 us{0gb I need to modify some scripts, then I can cross over to HexChat.
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21:27 zsoltisawesome Jordach: still reading, wow, that guy raged
21:27 Jordach and yet everyone thinks my two words were bad
21:29 Jordach http://imgur.com/gallery/Pi1O7Ek
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21:32 us{0gb My (he)xchat script is failing. I must investigate.
21:39 us{0gb I must say, I haven't even connected to the network yet, and I'm liking HexChat better.
21:40 Calinou fun fact, I contribute to its french translation
21:40 us{0gb Nice!
21:42 Calinou it's the only stuff I know well to contribute to free software projects :/
21:42 zsoltisawesome i liked the previous fun fact better
21:42 Calinou so I have to do that kind of task that doesn't profit to a lot of people and is fairly boring
21:45 us{0gb SASL in HexChat is failing.
21:46 Calinou it works for me :/
21:46 Calinou what error message do you get? might want to ask in #hexchat
21:47 us{0gb No error message that I see, but I think I figured it out. I'm trying something.
21:47 us{0gb Nope, that wasn't it. It's okay though, I'll just switch to NickServ identification.
21:48 us{0gb I was excited about the built-in SASL, but it's not like I actually need it for something.
21:49 Exio4 weechat
21:49 Exio4 is the answer! *
21:50 us{0gb WeeChat was text-based, last I saw. I couldn't even figure out how to connect to a network until reading the manual.
21:50 Exio4 it still awesome
21:50 Exio4 Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 65.0C mobo: 48.0C gpu: 86C
21:50 Exio4 my gpu looks warm
21:51 us{0gb It's awesome, it's just not for me. Sort of like GNOME and KDE.
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21:54 us{0gb Okay, I figured out the SASL issue. Apparently, I have to be *~us_0gb@* to use SASL, but I use *~0gb.us@*. No SASL for me then, but at least I now know why.
21:57 ShadowNinja us{0gb: I don't think so. Maybe your client is forcing that.
21:57 us{0gb ShadowNinja: Yeah, HexChat's built-in SASL is doing that.
21:58 us{0gb I think XChat's external SASL did not require that.
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21:59 ShadowNinja ,,(give us{0gb quassel) :-)
21:59 ShadowBot us{0gb: Quassel is a IRC client that supports a seperate client and server. (like a bouncer) See http://quassel-irc.org
22:00 us{0gb ShadowNinja: Is that to remain logged in for reading scrollback?
22:02 zsoltisawesome holy crap, that was a long log
22:02 us{0gb Holy package avalanche, Batman. 112 packages will be installed.
22:03 ShadowNinja us{0gb: Yes, that's one of the purposes of a bouncer. But it is also a very good client without using a seperate core (the actual bouncer)
22:04 zsoltisawesome http://www.myinstants.com/​media/sounds/im-batman.mp3
22:04 us{0gb Alright, I'll try it out then. I'm not really interested in the bouncer, but since it is good for other reasons ...
22:05 kaeza quassel is too bloated and/or restricted for my taste (when used as regular client)
22:05 Calinou -1 for mp3
22:05 Jordach -2 for copyrighted soundbite
22:06 zsoltisawesome fine: http://www.moviesoundclips.net/​download.php?id=1926&amp;ft=ogg
22:06 us{0gb Bloated or not, it's worth trying. Though I am likely to choose a lighter client to match my lighter desktop.
22:08 zsoltisawesome IM BATMAN
22:08 us{0gb You know what would be fun? If Aptitude said things such as "Holy package avalanche, Batman!" when you install something with a lot of dependencies.
22:08 kaeza heh
22:09 Calinou fedora seems to get quite a lot of updated packages every day... way more than *buntus
22:09 Calinou I ran yum update in my VM today, it had like 20-30 packages to be updated
22:10 Calinou there are 3-12 package updates per day on a *buntu
22:10 zsoltisawesome what did you feed yum?
22:10 zsoltisawesome cookies?
22:10 zsoltisawesome you know you aren't supposed to feed cookies to yum
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22:12 zsoltisawesome Calinou: !
22:15 thexyz ShadowNinja: it's separate, not seperate ;_;
22:15 thexyz "an irc client"
22:18 thexyz https://github.com/VonC/compileEverything
22:20 zsoltisawesome im tired
22:20 zsoltisawesome and today is my last day of shoool
22:20 zsoltisawesome so i have to work on it till like 19:00
22:21 us{0gb I was just about to say Quassel reminded me of KDE, but then I saw in the menu an option "About KDE". No wonder!
22:21 zsoltisawesome lol
22:21 Jordach us{0gb, it's awesome
22:21 thexyz I only have "About Qt"
22:21 Jordach i'm known to dislike KDE, but some software they make is good
22:22 zsoltisawesome umm, alias is a command right?
22:22 us{0gb Gah, removing it only removes 87 of the 112 things installing it added.
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22:22 thexyz what are other options btw?
22:22 thexyz let's say I want to develop a cross-platform app
22:23 thexyz what toolkit shall I use?
22:23 us{0gb GTK and QT are the main ones, I think.
22:23 Calinou Qt, GTK+, WxWidgets
22:23 Calinou FileZilla uses wxWidgets for instance :P
22:23 us{0gb GNOME and Xfce use GTK, KDE and LXDE use QT.
22:23 thexyz I don't think GTK is an option; wireshark for example has switched for a reason: https://blog.wireshark.org​/2013/10/switching-to-qt/
22:24 thexyz I feel that Qt is the future
22:29 us{0gb Hmm. Very interesting. I wonder if Xfce plans to switch. I'm not switching to LXDE or KDE unless I absolutely have to.
22:30 zsoltisawesome how does one use the 'notify-send' cmd
22:31 zsoltisawesome nvm figured it out
22:32 us{0gb zsoltisawesome: See if "notify-send --help" tells you what you need. I'm not familiar with that command.
22:32 zsoltisawesome no
22:32 zsoltisawesome i tried info notify-send
22:32 zsoltisawesome that works
22:32 us{0gb Hmm. I get "bash: info: command not found".
22:33 zsoltisawesome :D you dont use Unity
22:33 zsoltisawesome lol
22:33 zsoltisawesome odd try man -k
22:34 us{0gb No, Unity isn't my style. And even if it was, it's slow on my machine, most likely due to my graphics card sucking.
22:34 zsoltisawesome anyone know a GNOME pixmap name off the top of their head?
22:35 us{0gb I'm not even sure what a pixmap is.
22:35 zsoltisawesome lol
22:35 zsoltisawesome its an icon
22:35 zsoltisawesome i found a simple one, firefox
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22:36 zsoltisawesome gksu_icon
22:37 zsoltisawesome https://www.filepicker.io/ap​i/file/6uNS3FfQV8apyvbvIwWg
22:40 zsoltisawesome all you with unity desktop: notify-send -u low -i python3.2 'I Love Python!'
22:40 zsoltisawesome us{0gb: haha, how old is yours?
22:40 thexyz I don't have unity but I just did it; now what?
22:41 zsoltisawesome it sould say I Love Python somewheere on the screen, or it might not work
22:41 us{0gb zsoltisawesome: It's not that old, it's just not a good one. It's made by AMD. If you want good graphics cards, you have to get them from Intel.
22:41 zsoltisawesome lol, mine is AMD too
22:42 us{0gb zsoltisawesome: But you probably use the proprietary firmware, if you are getting decent speeds in Unity on it.
22:42 w_laenger for me it works
22:42 zsoltisawesome well technically mine is older than your i guess
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22:43 w_laenger on awesome
22:43 w_laenger 12.04
22:43 thexyz why wouldn't it?
22:44 zsoltisawesome cause mine is a GFX card from before the Merger, so its technically ATI
22:44 w_laenger because awesome is not unity
22:44 zsoltisawesome awesome is what?
22:44 w_laenger !wik awesome
22:44 MinetestBot "There is currently no text in this page." - http://wiki.minetest.net/Awesome
22:45 zsoltisawesome lol
22:45 w_laenger here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/​Awesome_%28window_manager%29
22:46 zsoltisawesome i found it already
22:46 zsoltisawesome XD
22:46 thexyz isn't notify-send standardized?
22:46 zsoltisawesome idk
22:47 w_laenger sometimes the notifiers are really annoying
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22:47 w_laenger because sometimes you can't click them away
22:48 us{0gb Wow, (He)XChat uses one monolithic config file for everything. It might be a better idea to use a separate one for each channel to hold the per-channel stuff.
22:48 w_laenger ̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣̣
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22:52 zsoltisawesome me is BAORDER
22:53 * w_laenger slaps zsoltisawesome around a bit with a large trout
22:53 * zsoltisawesome slaps zsoltisawesome around a bit with a large trout
22:53 zsoltisawesome we can play that game...
22:53 zsoltisawesome XD
22:54 * zsoltisawesome slaps w_laenger around a bit with a large trout
22:54 * w_laenger slaps w_laenger around a bit with a large trout
22:54 zsoltisawesome lol
22:54 * w_laenger found out that here are 2 usgbs
22:55 * kaeza slaps a trout around a bit with a large zsoltisawesome
22:55 us`0gb HexChat isn't showing me CTCP VERSION responses ...
22:55 * w_laenger slaps kaeza around a bit with a large trout
22:55 * w_laenger slaps kaeza around a bit with a large trout
22:55 * w_laenger slaps kaeza around a bit with a large trout
22:55 w_laenger was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
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22:56 kaeza [19:56:14] -us`0gb- VERSION HexChat 2.9.6 / Linux 3.2.0-57-generic [x86_64/1.80GHz/SMP]
22:57 thexyz > 3.2
22:57 us`0gb kaeza, Yeah, I see that from my other client.
22:57 thexyz > almost 2014
22:57 us`0gb But when I send CTCP VERSION requests out on this client, this client won't show the response.
22:58 kaeza us`0gb, they are sent to a separate tab, or to the server tab, depending on configuration
22:58 thexyz more importantly, how's the minetest community going to celebrate?
22:59 w_laenger celebrate something?
22:59 us`0gb kaeza, It's not the server tab, I checked there first. If there's another tab, I'm not seeing it.
23:00 thexyz new year?
23:00 thexyz what else to celebrate?
23:00 * us`0gb doesn't celebrate holidays such as New Year's Day
23:00 * zsoltisawesome is stunned
23:00 * w_laenger doesn't celebrate
23:00 thexyz us`0gb: even with wonderful minetest community?
23:00 thexyz now that's just not really nice
23:00 us`0gb I will celebrate the arrival of 0.4.8 though. That's worth celebrating.
23:00 zsoltisawesome YAY
23:01 thexyz there even is a mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3473
23:01 zsoltisawesome how about 0.4.9
23:01 us`0gb thexyz, New Year's Day is an arbitrary line we draw. What's to celebrate?
23:01 thexyz new release is an arbitrary line devs draw; what's to celebrate?
23:02 us`0gb thexyz, Fair enough.
23:02 us`0gb But that makes me less likly to celebrate releases, not more likely to celebrate holidays.
23:02 * w_laenger will celebrate this http://pastebin.com/JkgpL0EB text
23:03 thexyz ah you boring people
23:03 thexyz who only seek rationale
23:03 kaeza ^
23:03 thexyz forgetting that there are other things
23:03 us`0gb If we don't have rationale, what do we have? Insanity.
23:03 thexyz yes, just like I said
23:04 kaeza w_laenger, is that your code?
23:04 w_laenger yes
23:04 * us`0gb prefers to be sane
23:05 w_laenger because of minetest lag it doesn't work as it should
23:05 kaeza w_laenger, I see you restrict usage of globals to the bare minimum
23:05 * kaeza gives w_laenger a medal
23:05 thexyz everything for you is often divided into two parts
23:06 * w_laenger takes the medal
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23:06 thexyz the right and the wrong? or something like this
23:06 thexyz lol
23:06 thexyz pastebin redirected me to some porn site
23:07 us`0gb Okay, I found the version info. You must use "/query <name>" before "/ctcp <name> version". Otherwise, it just drops the response and never tells you.
23:07 thexyz anyway, not having globals is nice and will help you when minetest gets multithreaded lua
23:08 w_laenger so using "local" is good for minetest mods?
23:08 thexyz it's always good
23:08 thexyz for any code
23:09 us`0gb No globals? That means no sharing APIs between modules though. Or would it be better to use local variables, later declaring them global at the end of the script?
23:09 w_laenger why?
23:09 kaeza us`0gb, "keep globals to a bare minimum"
23:10 kaeza generally, all stuff only accesses by a single module should be local
23:10 kaeza accessed*
23:10 kaeza if you need to "export" your functions, pack everything inside a table or use a prefix
23:11 w_laenger for PseudoRandom you need to define it globally if you want to use it outside
23:11 kaeza w_laenger, locals make code in general faster due to how Lua implements it
23:11 us{0gb kaeza: Yeah, I do put it all into a table, but I make almost all of it accessible through that table if I don't have a reason not to.
23:11 thexyz no one is saying you should never use globals
23:12 zsoltisawesome gtg all, have a nice xmas break
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23:13 us`0gb zsoltisawesome, See you later!
23:13 us`0gb thexyz, Good, I'll guard my globals jealously.
23:13 kaeza us`0gb, there was a bug recently, between default's player.lua and BlockMen pyramids mod
23:14 us`0gb I don't use player.lua anyway.
23:14 us`0gb What bug though?
23:14 kaeza the issue was that both files used the same globals, and pyramids changed one of those to a different value (specifically, he changed the animation speed)
23:14 us`0gb Actually, I think my server does use it, just not my local personal world.
23:14 w_laenger Who's the person on this picture? http://shop.fsf.org/produc​t/signed-rms-photo-print/
23:14 kaeza causing the player to be animated at a lower speed
23:14 us`0gb Ah, I see.
23:15 us`0gb I name my globals "__<module name__", so less chance of that. It could still happen though.
23:15 us`0gb *"__<module name>__"
23:16 kaeza it's fine to do that
23:16 kaeza for example, homedecor used to use homedecor_do_foo_bar, homedecor_blah, etc
23:16 kaeza it now packs everything into a `homedecor' table
23:17 us`0gb I used to do that in PHP before I realized PHP had real namespace functionality.
23:17 us`0gb Those were the days. I haven't used PHP in years.
23:17 w_laenger I could upload my screenshots to the minetest wiki instead of UbuntuOnehttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikip​edia/commons/2/27/Canada_arm.jpg
23:17 w_laenger I think they could be loaded faster
23:18 thexyz php, heh
23:18 Broam ...
23:18 thexyz has everyone already seen the article about php and strlen as a hash?
23:18 Broam UbuntuOnehttp does not have a proper KIO slave.
23:18 Broam hahaha
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23:19 thexyz http://news.php.net/php.internals/70691
23:19 kaeza us`0gb, if you are interested in checking your mods, I have a small snippet I use to check the mods I have locally
23:19 kaeza the results are kinda frightening: http://kaeza.mooo.com/tmp/globalchecker.txt
23:20 w_laenger Why can't I defune nodes locally?
23:20 w_laenger I want to know the max lenght [globalchecker] new global unitTest at @/home/diego/src/minetest/bin​/../builtin/serialize.lua:187 [globalchecker] new global unittest_input at @/home/diego/src/minetest/bin​/../builtin/serialize.lua:193 [globalchecker] new global unittest_output at @/home/diego/src/minetest/bin​/../builtin/serialize.lua:194 [globalchecker] new global basic_dump2 at @/home/diego/src/minetest/​bin/../builtin/misc_helper
23:20 thexyz what do you mean?
23:21 w_laenger defining nodes that they only work while loading
23:22 w_laenger Do you know super mario 63? http://ubuntuone.com/2HMzoXW4l6hyC4SOixUMub
23:22 w_laenger It has sth to do with minetest
23:22 thexyz i'm nit sure what you want to achieve but if you want to define nodes after the server is started then it's impossible
23:23 w_laenger because I clicked onto the wrong link
23:23 thexyz because of how nodedef transfer works
23:23 thexyz maybe not only it
23:23 w_laenger is it possible to undefine a node?
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23:25 w_laenger I'm thinking about adding table functions to builtin
23:26 w_laenger eg table.get_length(table)
23:26 w_laenger or table.copy(table)
23:27 kaeza eh
23:27 kaeza >table.get_length
23:27 kaeza did you mean #t?
23:27 us`0gb kaeza, So it checks for the presence of global variable declarations? Or uses? If it's declarations, I'm quite interested.
23:27 w_laenger yes
23:28 kaeza us`0gb, it detects whenever a mod assigns to a global
23:28 kaeza so it's kinda like a "declaration"
23:29 w_laenger looks like I can find out the length of strings, too #"dsfsd"
23:30 kaeza us`0gb, http://pastebin.com/UNRzB24F
23:30 kaeza paste that at the top of builtin/builtin.lua
23:30 Broam are 'we' going to get more builtin functions like that?
23:30 Broam oh yeah that is what we're talking abot.
23:30 Broam back to lurkin'
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23:32 us`0gb kaeza, Awesome. Thank you so much! The opt-out global system sometimes leaves me accidentally declaring globals from withing functions and such.
23:33 kaeza no probs :)
23:43 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: All commands in WorldEdit are now accessible through WorldEdit GUI, except the MT Schematics stuff. https://gi 2013-12-20T15:42:47-08:00 http://git.io/zk4eSw
23:43 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Improve node inspector to show player axis, replace //scale with //stretch, which supports per-axis stretching (full backwards compatibility retained), and secure schematic file loading functions. https://gi 2013-12-20T15:41:13-08:00 http://git.io/gICW0w
23:47 PilzAdam bye
23:49 VanessaE worldedit still has a gui?
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23:52 Megaf Hi all
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