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00:01 Exio4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchnerism :O
00:04 iqualfragile Exio4: http://www.vandyrk.de/wp-content/u​ploads/2013/09/wahlergebnis03.jpg results for our lates election, nichtwähler did not vote
00:05 Exio4 wtf?
00:05 iqualfragile the official results obviously do not show that group, but that is the harsh reality
00:05 iqualfragile ah, wait, no those are not from the right year
00:06 iqualfragile Exio4: there we go: http://www.vandyrk.de/wp-content/uploads/2013​/09/2013-09-26-12_29_58-Wahlergebnis-2013.jpg
00:08 iqualfragile everything below 5% did not make it so there are in fact 27,5+1,5+3,3+3,4= 35.7% of the people above the age of 18 not represented in the parliament this time, looks like this realy is the weakest parliament yet
00:08 iqualfragile Exio4: why why wtf?
00:08 Exio4 +25% did not vote?
00:09 iqualfragile yep
00:09 Exio4 anyway
00:09 iqualfragile thats actually a suckcess
00:09 iqualfragile usualy its more
00:09 Exio4 here we have (optional) vote for 16-17 years old :P
00:09 iqualfragile for some elections we do, too
00:09 iqualfragile but not for this one
00:10 Exio4 really?
00:10 iqualfragile > implying there is some kind of punishment for not voting?
00:11 Exio4 well, we have that
00:11 VanessaE well the new wireless card works :)
00:11 * VanessaE watches her tablet download updates for the first time in like, a month
00:11 iqualfragile Exio4: oh, that explains it, we do not get punished for not voting
00:12 Exio4 aw
00:13 Exio4 18-70 = obligatory
00:13 Exio4 16,17; 70+ = optional
00:13 iqualfragile Exio4: oh, that 70+ thing might be a good idea
00:14 iqualfragile disallowing people above a certrain age to vote will help to make future-oriented decisions
00:14 Exio4 it isn't disallowing but optional
00:14 iqualfragile i know
00:14 iqualfragile but disallowing migt be a good idea
00:14 Exio4 my great-grandmother that is 80 voted the last elections :P
00:14 Exio4 why?
00:15 iqualfragile as i said: future-oriented decisions
00:15 Exio4 my great-grandma voted the same party i did
00:15 iqualfragile i do not see how that contradicts my statement
00:16 Exio4 i'm a 16 years old guy that voted the same party as a 80 years old woman
00:17 iqualfragile yes, still do not see the contradiction
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00:31 iqualfragile WOOT? only like 50% of the americans actualy vote?
00:31 iqualfragile so any party just has the backing of about 25% of voters?
00:32 iqualfragile thats… wow
00:32 iqualfragile btw: @Exio4 looks like germany is actually quite high in internationl comparision http://upload.wikimedia.org/w​ikipedia/en/4/44/Turnout.png
00:36 zat Everyone: http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/​rockstar-games-release-games-for-linux
00:39 VanessaE iqualfragile: try more like 20% or so of all Americans
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00:39 VanessaE well maybe more than that, but some 40% of eligible voters or something like that I think
00:40 VanessaE it's a really sad percentage
00:41 VanessaE and no repercussions for failing to vote, either.
00:41 VanessaE imho there should be large fines.
00:41 VanessaE idc who you vote for, Elmo, Cookie Monster, FSM, Cthulhu, whatever, JUST FUCKING VOTE
00:41 VanessaE eventually you will end up voting for someone meaningful (well, in theory)
00:43 iqualfragile VanessaE: no, the american "democracy" is just fucked up, and its not only the voting system
00:43 iqualfragile zat: that link redirects enlessly for me
00:43 iqualfragile try adding a slash at the end
00:44 VanessaE no, it's much more fucked up than that, you're absolutely right
00:44 VanessaE but a big part of the problem is not enough people voting and making good, rational decisions.
00:44 VanessaE and it's because most voters in this country think their vote doesn't matter.
00:45 iqualfragile well, thar realy was an interesting discussion but i need to get some rest now
00:45 zat iqualfragile: the issue mest be your browser
00:45 zat must*
00:45 zat VanessaE: yes it is sad...
00:46 iqualfragile zat: could be, (well, not my browser, but the page relying on some things)
00:46 iqualfragile i use request policy, as it fixes the internet
00:46 iqualfragile that might have caused the problem
00:47 iqualfragile i am verry sorry
00:47 iqualfragile s/internet/www/
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00:58 hmmmm there are some countries in europe that have a fine for not voting
00:58 hmmmm voting is silly in the US though, because your vote never makes a difference
00:58 hmmmm in order for things to get better, we need voting reform
00:59 hmmmm I want a system where you rank each candidate on a point system of how much you want them, and that's added up
01:00 hmmmm the main reservation of people voting for 3rd party candidates seems to be that they're voting for "the other guy" likely to win so the guy that they most don't want wins instead
01:00 hmmmm if you gave something like
01:00 hmmmm ron paul gets #1, obongo gets #2, and romney gets #3, that'd satisfy their imagined problem, it'd be more fair overall, and it'd ensure that the guy who people actually want most wins
01:01 hmmmm but that's only a third of the problem because like i said, popular vote doesn't even matter, and even if your desired candidate does get in, he's going to be a lame duck president if his party doesn't have control of the senate
01:02 hmmmm so another huge problem is the partisanship
01:02 hmmmm there should never be only two sides to begin with
01:02 hmmmm to solve this, i'd have the percentage of votes count toward the number of seats for that congress
01:03 VanessaE hmmmm: you have questions waiting in -dev :)
01:03 hmmmm e.g. if D gets 50% votes and R gets 35% and, say, libertarian gets 15%, 15% of the seats would go to libertarian canddidates
01:03 hmmmm in a minute
01:04 hmmmm instead of a "winner takes all" setup where the small guys are never represented because the majority of people don't vote that way for whatever retarded reasons they may have (like they don't even know they exist, or that's what their family always voted as, you know, not actual reasons, so on)
01:04 hmmmm you'd have an appropriate share of power that has the potential to grow
01:05 hmmmm so, the US is broken because of several core processes that urgently require reform but nobody is willing to even consider such things
01:05 hmmmm and even if there was an open discussion, the sides that currently do hold power will never let go of it
01:05 hmmmm never
01:07 Exio4 hw upgrade?
01:07 Exio4 what did you upgrade VanessaE? :P
01:09 VanessaE just a new power supply and wireless card
01:09 VanessaE nothing major.  just edge-of-failure, and failure, respectively.
01:09 Exio4 ah
01:10 Exio4 thought new harddisk, more ram or something awesome ;P
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01:57 MinetestBot Hirato: <thexyz> does enet support ipv6?
02:03 Hirato I don't know
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02:47 paramat I see there's talk of SamII being merged, not sure if that includes a wieldhand, if not i have a matching wieldhand texture here https://github.com/minetest/minetest_​game/issues/219#issuecomment-29148057
02:48 VanessaE G*d no
02:49 VanessaE not that
02:49 VanessaE unless it's just a plain old textyure
02:49 VanessaE then it's okay
02:49 VanessaE don't break HDX :)
02:50 Exio4 what gpu did you have VanessaE?
02:51 VanessaE AMD HD6870 with curret fglrx for the driver.
02:51 VanessaE current*
02:51 Exio4 320kh/s
02:51 VanessaE meh
02:51 Exio4 mine dogecoin with it VanessaE
02:51 Exio4 \o/
02:51 VanessaE *coins are a waste of energy
02:51 Exio4 wow so currency much profit
02:52 VanessaE I wish.
02:52 VanessaE first bitcoin, then litecoin, now dogecoin?
02:52 Exio4 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361813.0
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02:52 Exio4 haha
02:52 Exio4 i'm just mining some dogecoin just for the lulz
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02:53 Exio4 VanessaE: mine some dogecoin and then we should play poker with it
02:53 VanessaE some of the *worst* grammar I have ever seen
02:53 VanessaE definitely a scam
02:53 Exio4 it is a meme
02:54 Exio4 i've mined 0.20USD in the last hours
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02:54 paramat Also if there's delay with SamII and you want a SamI wieldhand here it is :) https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/issues/222
02:56 paramat I'm not sure about the SamII cape, a bit too MC specific, being an exclusive Minecon thing
02:57 paramat SamII's hair should not be a hat layer, needs to be minimal and lightweight
02:57 VanessaE I have no opinion on the capes really
03:09 ShadowNinja paramat: Despite rumors, rendering the hat doesn't take any more time than rendering a transparent(non-existant) hat.
03:09 paramat Elbows and knees look really bad, no joints looks much more cute, think of a LEGO man's cuteness ...
03:09 paramat Ah cool okay
03:10 paramat The big hair still looks bad though IMO :)
03:12 rambomedic ^
03:12 ShadowNinja I like that actually...
03:13 ShadowNinja And the poll says it's better, although it may not be perfect.
03:14 VanessaE paramat: to be fair, a LEGO Minifig's arms have permanently-bent elbows, and articulated wrists....
03:14 VanessaE they just don't have knees.
03:14 paramat Yeah SamII seems popular so i closed my issue that contained a competing character skin
03:15 paramat V, hehe indeed :)
03:16 paramat However for the sake of being lightweight, simple and minimal (which is MT's spirit) ...
03:17 VanessaE paramat, it isn't really that much heavier than the default model, and it's not like any PC made in the last 20 years can't handle it
03:18 rambomedic it's not the handling it's the amount of data that has to be sent back and forth if I understand correctly
03:18 VanessaE rambomedic: the clients handle the animations, it's not like the server/client are sending streams of video back and forth
03:19 VanessaE just animation commands - play these frames at this speed, etc.
03:19 rambomedic but the server still has to send the object, no?
03:19 rambomedic initally
03:19 VanessaE sure.  once.
03:19 rambomedic that's an issue sp. with the slowness of minetest at dl
03:19 rambomedic *dl'ing shit
03:19 VanessaE the client caches it and re-uses it for each subsequent sign-on unless the player deletes their cache
03:20 rambomedic but, the first time you connect to a serv er will take.... ages
03:26 Hirato takes even longer still if you load all the resources on connect :P
03:27 paramat 'Uncanny valley': the more 'realistic' an abstract character becomes, the less cute and lovable (kawaii) it is, and the more creepy it is
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03:35 * paramat loves LEGO
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04:10 TheZenKitteh It seems, there is a bug with minetest. Rather often it crashes with a core dump when I hit enter to send a message.
04:10 TheZenKitteh A friend of mine says he has no problem with such on his Windows machine. I'm on Linux
04:12 ShadowNinja TheZenKitteh: Known bug, it seems to be a irrlicht issue, fixed in irrlicht 0.8.1. Try compiling against that.
04:13 TheZenKitteh im using the minetest from the repo
04:14 TheZenKitteh seems the repos for this distro only has up to 1.7.3 of irrlicht
04:15 ShadowNinja Yep, that's why I don't use ubuntu/debian. :-)
04:16 TheZenKitteh last I seen slackware wasn't much better with keeping programs up to date. of course that was almost a decade ago
04:16 TheZenKitteh lol
04:16 ShadowNinja Compile it manually and use IRRLICHT_LIBRARY and the like.
04:17 ShadowNinja TheZenKitteh: Who said I was using slackware?
04:17 TheZenKitteh not inferring you are :P
04:17 TheZenKitteh however it seems most of the distros I like the most, tend to get behind on their packages
04:17 TheZenKitteh I can compile but I despise it
04:18 ShadowNinja Or you can just pretend it isn't segfaulting. ;-)
04:19 TheZenKitteh would be fine if it didn't happen every few minutes lol
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08:24 VanessaE night all.
08:24 * VanessaE wanders off to bed.
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08:43 thexyz well considering clang address sanitizer reports and error every time a message is sent...
08:44 thexyz this of course is an irrlicht issue
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09:19 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Bake Cookies Day! :-D
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09:28 VanessaE sleep /slEp/ (n) 1. a state of extended rest, usually lasting 6 to 8 hours, engaged in by most human beings on the planet.
09:28 VanessaE oh, so THAT's what that weird thing is everyone does :P
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09:33 Megaf People are asking me to reactivate my server =/
09:33 VanessaE so reactivate it
09:33 VanessaE you just need more patience
09:33 VanessaE minetest is buggy but probably no worse than any other project its size
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09:34 Megaf VanessaE, My server's name is actually because I was sad already when I created it, then I put to Till It Ends...
09:35 Megaf I'm sorry, I will try to have a little more patience.
09:35 proller Megaf, try freeminer
09:35 VanessaE I don't know the name of it, I'm always focused on my own servers
09:35 Megaf proller, Nope, I will be using Minetest, I want that piece of software to be better and I know I can help
09:36 Megaf proller, instead of making a fork, you  should put more effort  in debuging minetest and helping it be better
09:36 Megaf proller, could you please get  back to minetest? The project really need help
09:36 VanessaE megaf, he has tried.
09:37 VanessaE there was....  resistance.
09:37 proller it was already discussed 100 times
09:37 Megaf I wish I could take minetest over
09:37 Megaf proller, so let's discuss 101 times, and 102, and 1000 if needed
09:38 VanessaE Megaf: that said, I'm sure proller knows that he could, at any time, start submitting pull requests again, in very small doses, to fix individual bugs
09:38 VanessaE *hint hint* ;)(
09:38 VanessaE ;)
09:38 proller better i will make something good, like fixing performance
09:38 Megaf VanessaE, You too, you have good ideas of things that should change, same ideas that I have and perhaps other people have
09:39 proller now you can play on my server when 30+ ppls online
09:39 VanessaE Megaf: I'd like to think so, but I can't code C++ for shit.  Lua, I'm decent at I think.
09:39 Megaf proller, Do you have any idea how could we fix minetest protocol or something like to speed the fetch media/textures thing
09:39 proller it still have some lag, but it acceptable
09:39 Megaf That would be the first step I think
09:39 proller Megaf, it already done in fm
09:40 VanessaE speaking of, last night I got all five of my servers down to, in total, exactly two files that are not being served by the remote media server (and I only stopped there because I needed to lie down for a while)
09:40 VanessaE (and those were just the two fire_basic_flame* images on Nostalgia)
09:41 Megaf <proller> Megaf, it already done in fm
09:41 Megaf How so?
09:42 Megaf That's a pull request you could try to make again
09:43 proller no sense
09:43 proller if you want - try
09:45 Megaf proller, VanessaE, Who's the one that accepts pull requests on minetest git?
09:45 VanessaE no one specific
09:45 VanessaE it's whoever wants to look at it
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09:49 Megaf VanessaE, How can we help to whoever wants to look at it to take a loot at it?
09:49 VanessaE Megaf: well it starts by identifying the root problem that you're trying to solve.  Then, you need to make a guess as to who is best suited to look at it.
09:50 VanessaE for example, hmmmm is the mapgen expert, PilzAdam is generally geared toward minetest_game, RealBadAngel as you know focuses on shaders, if I were a core dev then you'd probably ask me on Lua-related things maybe, Shadow seems to be pretty good all around, etc.
09:51 Megaf proller, Let's do that? I'm sure you forked minetest and made Freeminer because they did not accept your pull requests
09:51 VanessaE so you literally have to ask around, "who is good with X" for whichever feature X you want to know more about.
09:51 VanessaE then you code it, or pull request it, or whatever, and ask that specific person to look at it
09:51 specing Are these errors due to mod authors being sloppy, or due to minetest internal changes?
09:51 Exio4 because he didn't accept nobody wanted WIP and not finished code in master*
09:51 specing []: 02:19:15: ERROR[main]: generateImage(): Could not load image "darkage_marble_tile.png" while building texture
09:52 VanessaE he then, in theory, looks at it.  You and he need to then get at least one other core dev to agree to merge the code in question
09:52 VanessaE then in theory, it gets merged
09:52 VanessaE of course, it rarely goes exactly according to this theory
09:52 specing ./darkage/textures32/darkage_marble_tile.png
09:52 Megaf specing, it would be better if you use pastebin,
09:52 VanessaE specing: sloppy:  it has to be in textures/, not textures32/
09:52 Exio4 there were some code that was somewhat 'good' but was mixed with weather code and other shit that nobody wanted because it doesn't actually work, was buggy, or wasn't finished.
09:53 Exio4 when they told him: remove that from there and make proper pull requests "no no 8("
09:53 specing VanessaE: I just looked at the stuff and the textures32 dir has more stuff in it (images) than textures/
09:54 specing My duplicate removal program found 32 duplicates in them
09:54 specing sorry, 37
09:55 VanessaE specing: ordinarily, you just ignore such folders entirely -- they are not duplicates, they are *alternates&
09:55 VanessaE *
09:55 VanessaE they are normally ignored by the engine unless you explicitly copy them into place
09:55 specing So the best way to take would be symlinking the missing entries from texture32/ to textures/
09:55 VanessaE no
09:56 Exio4 i would copy them
09:56 VanessaE the correct method is to re-download the mod.
09:57 specing That would result in the same problem
09:57 specing I got it from git, its the latest obtainable
09:57 VanessaE no, it wouldn't, if you don't run your dupe removal script :)
09:58 Exio4 git stash; git clean -fd
09:58 VanessaE or you could do that, too
09:58 specing VanessaE: I ran the dupe removal after noticing those errors
09:58 VanessaE or,  git reset --hard HEAD
09:59 VanessaE there are a few different ways to get back to a known good state
09:59 specing Too see just how sloppy it is made
09:59 specing In my case, that would be 'known bad state'
09:59 VanessaE but I have to wonder if something didn't go wrong in the download for you to end up with dupes and missing files at the same time
09:59 specing Its from git
09:59 specing it can't go wrong
09:59 VanessaE it's still a download and it can indeed go wrong
10:00 VanessaE no software is bug-free
10:00 Exio4 git would fuck up
10:00 VanessaE recall that mess the linux kernel itself got into some months ago
10:00 VanessaE what was it, a compromised master server, yes?
10:00 Exio4 a developer gave his key away
10:00 VanessaE right
10:01 Exio4 the weaker part in a system are the users, no exception ;)
10:01 Exio4 no even the linux kernel is safe!
10:01 VanessaE git performed its job to the best of its abilities, but the code it distributed could no longer be authenticated.
10:01 VanessaE er, not the right word..
10:01 VanessaE um..
10:02 VanessaE anyway
10:02 VanessaE it was busted right from the source, for a couple of weeks there, until the core devs were able to clean up the mess and restore from known, safe media
10:03 specing []: 11:02:42: ERROR[main]: generateImage(): Could not load image "darkage_marble_tile.png" while building texture
10:03 Megaf VanessaE, you do use remote media, right?
10:03 VanessaE megaf: indeed I do.
10:03 specing recloned, surprisingly that didn't fix the issue
10:04 Exio4 VanessaE: if i take pilzadam's ssh key and then i edit someone's commit when merging it
10:04 VanessaE Exio4: beats me :)
10:04 Exio4 or i just wait for upstream to the http fetch shit to get merged
10:05 Exio4 and at the second it got merged, i git pull; change it back to what i had; and then i'm done
10:05 Megaf VanessaE, on server side, how do I set up that?
10:05 VanessaE no idea what that would do, Exio4
10:05 Megaf -DENABLE_CURL:BOOL=ON
10:06 Megaf what else?
10:06 VanessaE Megaf: you need that, and you need a web server like nginx
10:06 VanessaE or apache or whatever your favorite httpd is
10:06 Megaf I have lighttpd already
10:06 VanessaE that'll do
10:06 VanessaE now, all you need is a directory full of png/x/obj/b3d/ogg/etc/etc/etc files
10:06 Megaf That's the part I don't get
10:07 Exio4 what about using sha1 / new-httpfetch-interface?
10:07 Megaf How do I put media there?
10:07 VanessaE and you need to set up your minetest server's config file to tell clients where to look.  remote_media = http://your.host.com/path_to_your/files_folder/
10:07 Exio4 kahrl: ^ give us the power! :P
10:07 VanessaE Megaf: you just use `find` to locate files.  Give me a few minutes and I will post my script that I use for my servers.
10:08 Megaf VanessaE, so I actually just drop all files in a single folder?
10:09 Exio4 Unable to query CUDA driver version! Is an nVidia driver installed?
10:09 Exio4 ew
10:10 specing I think I'll just symlink for now
10:10 specing There doesen't seem to be a better way around these errors atm
10:10 VanessaE Megaf: here's how I do it:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6593416/
10:11 VanessaE this is the final step of about 5 that my buildbot goes through when building the games used on my servers.
10:12 VanessaE (well less than 5.  one step builds the game files, one step does the uploading, one distributes everything, and the last one is that ^^^^^ )
10:12 Exio4 haha
10:12 VanessaE basically, you are only interested in the first part of that script, up to line 68
10:12 Exio4 "cuda 5.5 sucks"
10:12 VanessaE everything from there down is mostly repeats of the same basic premise
10:13 Exio4 (after some hours) merging cuda 5.5 support because it is fucking fast
10:14 VanessaE Megaf: and here is the resultant directory full of files, for creative and survival that is created by that first section of that script:  http://minetest.digitalaudioconce​pts.com/creative-survival-media/
10:14 VanessaE (nevermind how much media there is, the idea is to see how it was done)
10:15 VanessaE my method is far more simplistic than the sha-hash-based method that httpfetch also supports.  I don't know how to use that method.
10:15 specing Next up
10:15 specing Could not open file of texture: character.png
10:15 specing Loaded mesh: character.x
10:15 specing What is this character.png?
10:15 VanessaE the default sklin
10:15 VanessaE skin*
10:16 specing Like the players's skin?
10:16 VanessaE yeah
10:16 specing Could it have been optimized out due to me playing/testing in singleplayer?
10:17 specing I'll start a real server and see what happens.
10:18 Exio4 haha, my load average went up
10:19 VanessaE there, that should cover those last two files in Nostalgia.....
10:19 * VanessaE is tweaking her media script
10:19 specing Nope, the error still pops up
10:20 specing but it is client-side
10:21 VanessaE yay!
10:21 VanessaE not a single file on any of my 5 servers is served by media-FUBAR anymore!  woohoo!
10:22 VanessaE (media_FUBAR is my name for the default non-cURL media transmission code, since it has no oifficial name ;) )
10:22 VanessaE -i
10:24 Megaf VanessaE, will this do? http://paste.debian.net/71554/
10:24 VanessaE mmmm
10:24 VanessaE yeah mostly
10:24 VanessaE as long as you have write access to $MEDIA_PATH
10:24 VanessaE but you need to filter it also
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10:25 Megaf Filter what, why
10:25 VanessaE you'll want to write the default stuff first, then delete anything from $MEDIA_PATH that is NOT default, then copy the NOT default stuff in
10:25 VanessaE that way your worldmods will properly overwrite minetest_game (or your default game) stuff.
10:25 VanessaE otherwise you'll still have some media being served up by media_FUBAR.
10:26 VanessaE but for a quick test, that should work fine.
10:26 Exio4 oh
10:26 VanessaE expect some stuff to be missed initially
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10:26 Megaf Oh dear
10:26 VanessaE but you should be able to see a decent improvement with that
10:27 VanessaE megaf: you see where I egrep and then egrep -v into two separate txt files?
10:27 VanessaE (lines 36, 37)
10:27 VanessaE those are the filters in question.
10:27 Exio4 grep -E!
10:27 Exio4 egrep is deprecated since i use linux :P
10:28 Megaf VanessaE, Ok, I will see that later, first let me get a new version of each mod
10:28 VanessaE you copy, then remove based on what the next copy is about to add (because the next copy, even with -f, will fail to overwrite!), then copy in the overriding stuff.
10:28 VanessaE Megaf: ok
10:28 Exio4 Need to get 987 MB/994 MB of archives.
10:28 Exio4 ew.
10:28 VanessaE Megaf: remember to re-run this script every time you update a mod.
10:28 VanessaE Exio4: but how much new disk space will be used?
10:28 Exio4 450mb more
10:28 VanessaE and besides, egrep ain't deprecated :P
10:28 Exio4 but that doesn't matter
10:29 VanessaE ouch.
10:29 VanessaE 450 ain't small change.
10:29 VanessaE that's a whole texture pack :P
10:29 Exio4 In  addition,  three  variant  programs egrep, fgrep and rgrep are available.  egrep is the same as grep -E.  fgrep is the same as grep -F.  rgrep is the same as grep -r.  Direct invocation as either egrep or fgrep is deprecated, but is provided to allow historical applications that rely on them to run
10:29 Exio4 unmodified.
10:29 Exio4 man grep ^
10:29 VanessaE the man page can kiss my ass ;)
10:30 * Exio4 throws a manual at VanessaE's head
10:30 * VanessaE ducks
10:31 Exio4 well, rebooting
10:31 * Exio4 hopes everything works
10:32 Megaf VanessaE, I need a better way to do this http://paste.debian.net/71557/
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10:33 VanessaE MODLIST="file1
10:33 VanessaE file2
10:33 VanessaE ...
10:33 VanessaE fileN"
10:33 VanessaE then just iterate through the list.
10:33 Megaf Actually, it would be nice something that always get the latest version of each mod
10:33 Exio4 MODLIST=(file1 file2 file3)
10:34 VanessaE that works too
10:34 VanessaE but for long lists it's better to do one per line
10:34 Exio4 you can do (file1\n\tfile2\n\tfile3) too
10:34 Exio4 also, it is a different aproach
10:34 Exio4 yours isn't a list :P
10:34 Exio4 /array
10:36 VanessaE Megaf: for that, I do, MODSDIR="~/Minetest-related/mods"; for i in `ls $MODSDIR`; do if [ -e "$i/.git" ] ; then cd $i; git pull; fi; cd $MODSDIR; done
10:36 VanessaE (well, that's transcribed from my actual script, expect a typo or two there)
10:36 VanessaE Exio4: readability trumps modern syntax :P
10:37 Exio4 `ls $M<ODSDIR`
10:37 Exio4 $MODSDIR/*
10:37 Exio4 it is safer, less exploitable
10:37 VanessaE eh, use find anyway, not ls.
10:37 VanessaE my actual script is a bit more complex.  find, a few pipes through grep to filter out crap that never needs updated, etc.
10:38 VanessaE proper formatting/indentation, etc.
10:38 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6593524/
10:39 VanessaE and yes, I've been using the `backtick` method of command substitution for years.  so :P
10:39 VanessaE (and that script was written before I figured out how to use egrep/grep -E)
10:41 Megaf # from how far client knows about objects
10:41 Megaf is this meters, chunks, nodes...
10:41 Megaf blocks
10:41 Exio4 is that bash?
10:42 Exio4 bcuz [ ] too :P
10:42 Exio4 looks like code from 1990
10:42 Exio4 no "", using [ ], backticks
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10:46 VanessaE that is indeed bash.
10:46 VanessaE megaf: the distance is in mapblocks (so measures of 16 meters.  a value of 5 is thus, ~80 meters)
10:47 VanessaE Exio4: my coding style is a product of the time I grew up.  don't knock what works for me :)
10:47 * Exio4 runs
10:48 VanessaE Megaf: smaller is better for server performance.
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10:49 Megaf VanessaE, I put 1
10:49 VanessaE larger values enable larger circuits/pipelines/etc to be built without problems of things glitching out at the extreme edges, at a cost of CPU
10:49 VanessaE 1 is too small
10:49 VanessaE keep it at aroudn 2 or 3.
10:49 VanessaE around*
10:50 VanessaE it affects things like abms too
10:50 VanessaE furnaces et al. need it
10:51 VanessaE what's probably needed is a way to throttle a badly-performing mod
10:51 VanessaE such that it can never take more than, say, 70% of the server's CPU in total
10:52 Megaf VanessaE, How do I enable remote media client side?
10:53 VanessaE Megaf: as long as a client has cURL support compiled in, it just works.
10:54 VanessaE and if it's less than ~48 hours old, it'll be quite fast thanks to kahrl's httpfetch code.
10:54 VanessaE (faster than the previous cURL code I mean, which was already faster than media_FUBAR)
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10:58 Megaf VanessaE, Perhaps I did something wrong, still takes a lot of time
10:59 Megaf VanessaE, can you test for me please?
10:59 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
10:59 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (296ms)
11:00 VanessaE 06:00:10: ACTION[main]: Client: Contacting remote server "/var/www/media/"
11:00 VanessaE incorrect
11:00 VanessaE you need a real URL there.
11:00 VanessaE the actual full web address of your server as a browser would see it
11:02 VanessaE e.g. http://minetest.megaf.info/media/
11:02 Megaf ok
11:02 proller woow! 2 players online was max on ipv6 only server!!11
11:02 VanessaE (though that just goes to a page that says "Hi" on it)
11:03 VanessaE megaf:  just make sure it points to a URL I can reach from my browser.
11:03 VanessaE then link me to it and I'll take a quick look at the listing
11:04 Megaf VanessaE, Can you test again please?
11:04 VanessaE Megaf: what's the URL for the media server?
11:04 VanessaE HAH!
11:05 Megaf VanessaE, the one you just game me
11:05 VanessaE oh, oops, connected to my own server there :D
11:05 VanessaE nope.avi
11:05 VanessaE that URL I just gave you goes to a page that just says "hi"
11:05 VanessaE the page needs to allow file listings.
11:05 VanessaE configure your web server to allow autoindexing.
11:05 VanessaE at least I think that's needed.
11:05 Megaf http://minetest.megaf.info/media/
11:06 VanessaE better to do it anyway and get rid of the "hi" page :).
11:06 Megaf I see
11:06 VanessaE makes it easier to test.
11:07 VanessaE *shakes head*
11:07 VanessaE definitely not the speed of a http server there.
11:07 VanessaE about 24 kBytes/sec
11:07 VanessaE *cancels it*
11:08 VanessaE 06:06:49: ACTION[main]: Client: Contacting remote server "http://minetest.megaf.info/media/"
11:08 VanessaE this is correct, however
11:08 VanessaE now you just have to configure the webserver itself to actually have files there for Minetest to find.
11:08 Megaf also, server is pretty laggy
11:08 VanessaE make sure they have valid permissions (644 on all files is sufficient)
11:09 * VanessaE checks debug.txt
11:12 VanessaE yeah
11:12 VanessaE you're not serving up at all
11:12 VanessaE no results for "Requesting remote media file" in debug.txt for my connection to your server
11:12 Megaf VanessaE, so it really needs to have file listing enable?
11:12 VanessaE means it found no files there and had to resort to media_FUBAR to get them :)
11:13 VanessaE I guess so?  idk
11:13 VanessaE try it and see
11:13 VanessaE it's not like there's anything private in this directory
11:13 VanessaE and you can configure that on a per-directory basis if you want ti
11:13 VanessaE to*(
11:13 VanessaE to**
11:14 VanessaE http://minetest.megaf.info/media/  403 - Forbidden
11:14 VanessaE chmod 755 /var/www/media
11:15 Megaf VanessaE, Its just because file listing is not enabled
11:15 VanessaE ok
11:16 VanessaE it's probably something like auto-indexing
11:16 Megaf hm
11:16 Megaf let me try the 755 thing
11:16 VanessaE that's how nginx calls it I think
11:17 Megaf it works now http://minetest.megaf.info/me​dia/default_break_glass.1.ogg
11:18 Megaf http://minetest.megaf.info/media​/homedecor_television_front.png
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11:19 VanessaE the files may be there but your server isn't serving them up, or you have lots of stuff that isn't tjere
11:19 VanessaE there*
11:19 VanessaE did you remember to also copy your worldmods' files, and your system mods too?
11:20 VanessaE I keep all my stuff in custom games and in world-specific worldmods folders, but there's also the global "mods" folder as well
11:20 VanessaE files are coming in, very slowly.
11:21 * VanessaE cancels
11:21 VanessaE say when.
11:23 Megaf VanessaE, This things is not clear at  all to me
11:24 Megaf I mean, Can we use folders and subfolders there?
11:24 Megaf Or every single file must be at the same media folder
11:24 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6593674/
11:25 VanessaE that's survival.
11:25 Megaf just answer my question
11:25 Megaf I have a really hard time concentrating and thinking
11:25 VanessaE you go to the link in the remote_media line (8) and you see a listing of files.  that's it.  that's just all there is.
11:25 Megaf attention is something I dont have
11:25 VanessaE no, no subfolders.
11:25 VanessaE one bit flat listing.
11:25 VanessaE big*
11:26 VanessaE and please be polite and patient.
11:26 VanessaE believe me, if I can figure this out, you can.  I suck at this stuff.
11:26 VanessaE until I set up nginx, I hadn't touched an actual web server in over 10 years.
11:27 VanessaE and there's a reason for it.  I sucked then.  I still suck.  :)
11:27 VanessaE now, go read my pastebin.
11:27 VanessaE compare my config snippet to yours.
11:28 VanessaE some folks say the address and port are not needed.  maybe they aren't, but they're there anyways in mine.  I saw no point to remove them if they didn't cause a problem. :P
11:28 VanessaE since I can't see the listing of files on your remote media server, I can't begin to guess what's wrong
11:28 Megaf VanessaE, I managed to enable listing on a single folder
11:28 Megaf http://minetest.megaf.info/media/
11:28 VanessaE ah, wait, there it is.
11:28 VanessaE I see it now
11:29 VanessaE ok, this seems right
11:29 VanessaE *checks a few random files*
11:29 VanessaE *clears cache and signs on*
11:29 VanessaE *does NOT sign on*
11:30 Megaf remote_media = http://minetest.megaf.info/media/
11:30 VanessaE !up minetest.megaf.info:30003
11:30 MinetestBot VanessaE: Syntax changed, please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
11:30 VanessaE !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
11:30 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 seems to be down
11:30 VanessaE foo.
11:30 Megaf VanessaE, not up now
11:30 Megaf remote_media = http://minetest.megaf.info/media/
11:30 VanessaE ok
11:30 Megaf is this right?
11:30 VanessaE yup
11:30 VanessaE same URL as you gave me to look at in the browser
11:30 Megaf starting server
11:31 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
11:31 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (251ms)
11:32 Megaf we must be missing something
11:32 VanessaE either I'm pulling at the limit of your pipe or you're still missing some media, because I just can't seem to get more than ~24 kBytes/sec from you
11:36 VanessaE 06:31:23: INFO[main]: Client: Adding remote server "http://minetest.megaf.info/media/" for media download
11:36 VanessaE good.
11:37 VanessaE going through my log now.
11:40 VanessaE hm.
11:40 Megaf VanessaE, Servers is off
11:40 Megaf VanessaE, Im downloading a ISO there so you can test its actual upload speed
11:40 VanessaE lots of:   06:31:23: VERBOSE[main]: FileCache: File not found in cache: /home/vanessa/.minetest/cache/media/foo
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11:40 VanessaE for various hash ID's $foo
11:41 VanessaE ok
11:41 VanessaE 06:31:23: INFO[CurlFetchThread]: http://minetest.megaf.info/media/index.mth not found (HTTP response code said error) (response code 417)
11:41 VanessaE this is not entirely normal (should be 404?)
11:41 VanessaE 06:31:23: INFO[main]: Client: Failed to remote-fetch 1869 files. Requesting them the usual way.
11:41 VanessaE this is wrong
11:41 Megaf Saving to: `debian-7.3.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso'
11:41 Megaf 60% [============>                    ] 410,402,436 6.66M/s  eta 61s
11:42 VanessaE say when.
11:42 Megaf VanessaE, wget http://minetest.megaf.info/media/​debian-7.3.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso
11:42 VanessaE nice fat pipe all right
11:44 Megaf VanessaE, Whats the speed you get?
11:44 * VanessaE cancels it
11:44 VanessaE I peaked at 53.3 Mbps
11:45 Megaf see?
11:45 Megaf I got 100 mbps
11:45 Megaf That's why I'm so frustrated
11:45 VanessaE clearly you have the bandwidth for it
11:47 VanessaE I know I've got cURL support here, I've tested it about two dozen times over, over the course of the night whilst getting my own remote_media server in good order.  30 second sto fetch 35 MB.
11:48 Megaf VanessaE, I got a tone of stuff like this
11:48 Megaf cp: will not overwrite just-created `/var/www/media/hdf_3c.png' with `/home/minetest/Minetest/_New/mine​test/games/minetest_game/mods/home​decor/extra_fonts/25px/hdf_3c.png'
11:48 Megaf cp: will not overwrite just-created `/var/www/media/hdf_3a.png' with `/home/minetest/Minetest/_New/mine​test/games/minetest_game/mods/home​decor/extra_fonts/25px/hdf_3a.png'
11:48 VanessaE I know
11:48 VanessaE that's why I said you have to filter and copy/rm/copy in two stages,
11:48 Megaf using this ...http://paste.debian.net/71554
11:48 Megaf ok
11:49 VanessaE cp is being stupid about the -f switch
11:49 Megaf that may be the problem
11:49 VanessaE it's part of, yes
11:49 proller sudo find -L /home/proller/.minetest/games/sky/mods \( -name "*.png" -or -name "*.ogg" -or -name "*.b3d" -or -name "*.x" \) -exec ln -fs {} /usr/local/www/vhost/minetest.setun.net/html/data/ \;
11:50 Megaf let me try that
11:51 VanessaE you ave to filter for the default stuff, filter for the non-default stuff, copy the default stuff to a temp folder, then rm the non-default stuff from that folder (which will delete a few default items that coincide with the non-default items, obviously), then copy the nondefault items into there.  Then finally rsync or copy the result to your live directory
11:51 VanessaE have*
11:51 VanessaE lile I did.
11:52 VanessaE proller: that works as a basic test but it doesn't account for mod loading order and dependencies.  my method takes that into account, to some degree.
11:52 VanessaE my five servers now have remote media that completely account for that.  at least they did as of an hour ago :P
11:53 VanessaE +s
11:53 specing Has anyone managed to attach the 3d_armor mod to unified inventory instead of the /m modmenu?
11:53 VanessaE criminy I must be tired, my typing is suffering worse than usual.
11:53 VanessaE specing: I don't know that anyone has attempted it, but a number of people have requested it.  I think there is/was a plan to add a proper API to Unified Inventory to allow this.
11:54 VanessaE maybe such already exists now, I don't recall.
11:56 Megaf proller, Can I change ln -fs with cp?
11:57 proller yes
11:58 Megaf proller, http://paste.debian.net/71575/
11:59 Megaf I know, I just missed something
11:59 VanessaE yeah, like the $GAME_PATH :)
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12:01 Megaf proller, VanessaE http://paste.debian.net/71578/
12:02 VanessaE I guess so, but you'll have the same issue as before
12:02 Megaf http://minetest.megaf.info/media/
12:04 Megaf Still not working
12:04 VanessaE nope.
12:05 Megaf oh deer
12:12 VanessaE well I'm off to bed for a second try
12:12 VanessaE maybe this time I'll sleep.
12:12 VanessaE good luck with your server
12:13 VanessaE give my full script a second look ( http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6593416/ )
12:13 Megaf proller, VanessaE My servers peak of upload is 6 KB/s
12:13 VanessaE you will need the multi-stage filtering/copying bit or you won't get max performance out of it.
12:14 Megaf 12 KB/s
12:14 proller too many small files
12:14 proller my server can upload 400k of media without http
12:16 VanessaE bbl
12:19 Megaf proller, any idea why my servers remote media isnt working?
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12:45 proller seems working
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13:07 Megaf proller,
13:07 Megaf minetest@li677-246:~/Minetest/_FreeMiner/freeminer$ cmake . -DWARN_ALL:BOOL=1 -DVERSION_EXTRA:STRING=Megaf-Freeminer -DRUN_IN_PLACE:BOOL=1 -DIRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR:PATH=/h​ome/minetest/irrlicht-1.8.1/ -DENABLE_FREETYPE:BOOL=ON -DENABLE_CURL:BOOL=ON -DBUILD_SERVER:BOOL=1 -DBUILD_CLIENT:BOOL=0
13:07 Megaf I will give it a try
13:07 john_minetest Hello everychristmasunicorn
13:07 Megaf Hi john_minetest
13:08 john_minetest hi Megaf :)
13:12 iqualfragile john_minetest: was für drogen nimmst denn du?
13:13 Megaf proller, your v7 mapgen works?
13:13 Megaf does it actually truly works?
13:13 john_minetest iqualfragile: Die da: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_cPQn6vOdo
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13:17 Megaf proller, freeminer doest work
13:17 Megaf I cant place any node
13:17 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30004
13:17 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30004 is up (462ms)
13:17 Megaf thats my freeminer server
13:19 john_minetest Does anybody know a good book to read? I have to fill out my christmas book wishlist but I have no clue which books I should put on the list :D
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13:25 thexyz john_minetest: c++
13:25 thexyz the 4th edition
13:25 iqualfragile Megaf: wut? half a sec? thats more or less unplayable
13:26 iqualfragile john_minetest: per anhalter durch die galaxis
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13:27 thexyz bjarne stroustrup
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13:29 proller !up minetest.megaf.info 30004
13:29 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30004 seems to be down
13:29 Megaf proller, I shuted it down already
13:29 George yes
13:29 proller Megaf, v7 by hmmmm, and in freeminer it have base biomes
13:30 proller better to use indev
13:31 thexyz why would 0.5s ping be unplayable? it's not a shooter after all
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13:35 john_minetest iqualfragile: Schon gelesen.
13:36 thexyz consider the book i suggested
13:36 thexyz it's a good one
13:43 iqualfragile thexyz: well, it could be, still moving stuff in your inv gets realy laggy
13:43 iqualfragile and opening menues and stuff
13:47 proller 1-3 seconds lag on sky with 17 players
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14:01 kaeza greetings
14:04 Megaf Hi kaeza
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14:06 specing proller: "3D. Very hard. no lags."
14:07 specing Now that is false advertising :P
14:07 proller okay, less lags than on other servers
14:08 specing is that 'less' a measurable quantity?
14:09 specing Because the last time I tried riding an ufo on Sky it didn't end well
14:09 proller maybe now ufo will work better
14:10 proller 'less'- you can walk and do something
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14:29 Megaf how do I use minetestmapper?
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14:30 Megaf VanessaE, Welcome back
14:30 Megaf VanessaE, How do I use minetestmapper?
14:38 iqualfragile Megaf: util/minetestmapper --draworigin --drawscale --drawplayers -i worlds/newworld -o remotemedia/html/map-$datum.png 2> minetestmapper.log
14:38 Megaf iqualfragile, --draworigin what does this do?
14:39 iqualfragile result is to be found at http://mineguild.de:8000/
14:39 iqualfragile draworigin draws a big ret circle where the spawn is
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14:40 Megaf I think this gonna take some time to finish
14:42 iqualfragile no, takes around 5 secs to finish for me
14:44 Megaf my maps must be bigger
14:44 iqualfragile or you are using the python mapper
14:45 thexyz apparently Android now is the most popular platform Minetest runs on
14:45 Megaf iqualfragile,
14:45 Megaf $ du -hs Minetest/_New/minetest/worlds/world/map.sqlite
14:45 thexyz which is even more fun knowing there is no official Android support
14:45 Megaf 1.4GMinetest/_New/minetest/worlds/world/map.sqlite
14:45 thexyz and the port which is on google play has quite weird controls
14:45 iqualfragile thexyz: why?
14:45 thexyz iqualfragile: why what?
14:45 Megaf $ du -hs Minetest/_New/minetest/worlds/
14:45 Megaf 1.9GMinetest/_New/minetest/worlds/
14:46 iqualfragile why do you postulate android would be the most popular minetest platform
14:46 thexyz because it is
14:46 Megaf minetest@li677-246:~/Minetest/_New/minetest-mapper-cpp$ ./minetest_mapper -i ../minetest/worlds/world -o ../MegafTillItEnds.png --draworigin
14:46 Megaf cpp version
14:46 iqualfragile based on which data
14:46 thexyz the buildcraft port has 100k-500k installs according to google play
14:47 iqualfragile Megaf: yes, there is a slight size differenze
14:47 thexyz it's rising like crazy
14:47 iqualfragile thexyz: ah, k
14:47 thexyz it was 10k not so long ago
14:47 thexyz a week or so?
14:47 kaeza has anyone here tested that port?
14:47 iqualfragile so, its still that strange chinese ripoff company?
14:47 Megaf me
14:47 Megaf slow and buggy
14:47 thexyz iqualfragile: yes
14:48 thexyz kaeza: yes, I bought it when it was paid
14:48 iqualfragile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxDFO00-9fk
14:48 iqualfragile wow
14:48 thexyz it's fine but controls are weird
14:48 thexyz you see
14:48 thexyz android people will eat anything
14:48 iqualfragile thats kinda sad
14:48 thexyz that's what Minetest should've considered
14:48 thexyz but now it's too late I think
14:48 kaeza well, there were some users that didn't know how to climb down ladders
14:49 thexyz awwww
14:49 thexyz > Thank you for your interest in JetBrains’ C++ IDE that is currently under development.
14:49 kaeza do these devices or the port itself have any kind of shift key/button?
14:50 Megaf http://minetest.megaf.info/index.php/2​013/12/18/megaf-till-it-ends-is-back/
14:50 thexyz kaeza: I have no idea
14:50 thexyz well I honestly think that my controls are already better
14:50 kaeza aww
14:50 kaeza I'll point them towards freeminer anyway
14:51 thexyz though there's no "use" button yet
14:51 thexyz or whatever it's called
14:51 thexyz meh no one is contributing -(
14:51 thexyz even though I hoped sfan5 will
14:51 iqualfragile hmm… so there is work towards our "own" minetest version for android?
14:52 thexyz *freeminer
14:52 thexyz it works okayish
14:52 thexyz https://github.com/freeminer/freemi​ner/issues/10#issuecomment-30752049
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15:26 Peacock Ouch 'Botched circumcision allegations against Quebec doctor grow'
15:35 sfan5 thexyz: hm
15:35 sfan5 if I can't test it on my android device I can't really help
15:35 sfan5 hi everyone btw
15:46 kaeza hey sfan5
15:47 kaeza sfan5, "49864321223fc6789rg@K-Sv (49864321223fc6789rg@K-Server) has joined" and "bgyfggjgghghuhhhghy@K-Sv (bgyfggjgghghuhhhghy@K-Server) has joined"
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15:52 john_minetest Hello again
15:53 sfan5 kaeza: what's with that?
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16:00 thexyz sfan5: you can't?
16:01 sfan5 thexyz: I only have 18 MB of free space and no armv7
16:01 sfan5 I'll be getting a better android phone for christmas
16:02 thexyz then you can start by making it work with your device!
16:02 sfan5 hell no
16:02 sfan5 it will be too slow anyway
16:02 thexyz A lot of buggy commits are constantly pushed to GIT and made available to download. That's unacceptable.
16:02 thexyz lol
16:03 thexyz usinng git master
16:03 thexyz expecting it to work
16:03 thexyz people in minetest community are too spoiled with this shit
16:03 thexyz it has to stop
16:03 thexyz use stable builds or die
16:03 sfan5 "only use git builds, if you know what you are doing"
16:04 sfan5 s/,//
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16:05 thexyz that won't stop those people
16:05 thexyz because they truly think they know what they're doing
16:05 thexyz we should just
16:05 thexyz ask them what stable version are they using
16:05 thexyz and then be very surprised when they answer "git master"
16:06 Peacock or git mistress
16:06 thexyz the problem is that this way we won't get as many bug reports though
16:06 thexyz so there should probably be servers hosted by developers or people who do know what they're doing
16:06 thexyz just to test shit out
16:06 thexyz like there was a development server hosted by c55 back then
16:08 Peacock well with so many devs sure one of them can setup an official -dev server
16:08 Peacock *surely
16:09 Peacock the obvious choice would be V though she's got the hardware and the patience to test stuff :P
16:13 thexyz yeah patience sure
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16:14 Peacock relatively then :P
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16:14 MegafAtWork minetest@li677-246:~/Minetest/_New/minetest-mapper-cpp$ ./minetest_mapper --draworigin --geometry -100:-100+100+100 -i ../minetest/worlds/world/ -o MegafTillItEnds.png
16:14 MegafAtWork What's wrong here?
16:15 MegafAtWork I mean, it takes a lot of time
16:15 sfan5 what happens without the --geometry option?
16:15 MegafAtWork I attempted that before, without geometry, and all I got was a white image
16:16 MegafAtWork also, can I run mapper with server running?
16:17 sfan5 no
16:17 sfan5 it can corrupt the map if you do
16:17 MegafAtWork sfan5: without --geometry it took really long http://minetest.megaf.info​/media/MegafTillItEnds.png
16:17 MegafAtWork [14:18] <sfan5> it can corrupt the map if you do
16:17 MegafAtWork Thats a valuable info that should be clear and written somewhere
16:19 sfan5 yeah
16:19 MegafAtWork sfan5: so, here it takes ages to complete
16:20 MegafAtWork the cpp version
16:20 MegafAtWork the python version wont even run
16:20 MegafAtWork Traceback (most recent call last):   File "./minetestmapper.py", line 34, in <module>     from PIL import Image, ImageDraw, ImageFont, ImageColor
16:20 sfan5 !g PIL python
16:20 MinetestBot sfan5: http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/
16:20 sfan5 that should bring you on the right way what you need to install
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16:24 proller 35 players on sky! new record
16:24 MegafAtWork if I allow empty passwords I get there easily
16:25 proller no ;)
16:25 ShadowNinja MegafAtWork: I run the CPP mapper with a 4000x4000 map and it only takes a few minutes.
16:25 proller 63.77% cpu
16:25 ShadowNinja MegafAtWork: And guests, and grant interact by default.
16:26 MegafAtWork ShadowNinja: my map is 1.2 GB
16:29 ShadowNinja MegafAtWork: Mine is 2.0GB
16:30 MegafAtWork ShadowNinja: so there must be something really wrong with my server
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17:08 john_minetest 8 threads/ 4CPUs on 100%
17:09 VanessaE hi
17:09 thexyz oh wow
17:09 john_minetest hi VanessaE
17:09 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8019
17:10 thexyz post walls of text
17:10 thexyz the solution is to reboot
17:10 thexyz why do people shitpost?
17:11 thexyz shit, i'm so angry right now
17:12 thexyz let me write another wall of text
17:12 john_minetest thexyz: Lol, I first thought he was not understanding that it was about upgrading minetest and not about upgrading windows.
17:12 thexyz oh VanessaE it was really nice to reply to him
17:13 VanessaE I tried
17:13 thexyz although is a waste of resources
17:13 VanessaE eh, better to waste resources and keep one person than to spend no resources and lose 2.
17:14 thexyz why two?
17:14 thexyz just lose one
17:14 thexyz and anyway he'd have figured this after rebooting
17:14 thexyz by himself
17:14 VanessaE it's a euphemism
17:15 specing As far as I see right now, amount of generated ore does not increase the deeper you dig
17:15 specing Is there a way to make it depth-dependent? (I'd like a mining rainbow at -30000)
17:15 VanessaE specing: there was discussion about this when the new ore generation was put in.  I guess it was decided that it would be too hard to code.
17:17 Jordach specing, oh it does
17:17 Jordach travel down to -30000 and watch
17:17 Jordach time to mine some more VanessaE ;)
17:18 specing Jordach: I was down at -30000 and I was not impressed
17:18 Jordach specing, some mods limit their height to other places
17:18 specing Most of the ore is -31000
17:18 specing There was no difference between -250 and -30000
17:19 specing still loads of cobbles everywhere
17:21 specing Last time I was on -30000 is was on Clip's server
17:22 specing Been to -30500 on Sky and there wasnt a lot of ore there
17:22 Jordach john_minetest, timed out ;)
17:22 Jordach v6 does have the rainbow cave phenomemon
17:23 john_minetest Jordach: I often open minetest in the background and I often realize this only because sheep noise appears :D
17:25 specing Jordach: Clip is v6, Sky is 'indev'
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17:37 MinetestBot PilzAdam: <zsoltisawesome> Have fun being out of the freezer
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17:37 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
17:37 Calinou I have sounds off here
17:37 Calinou too many mods on servers have WAY TOO LOUD sounds
17:37 Calinou hi PilzAdam :)
17:41 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Actually it was implemented, and I have the patch here, but it wasn't pushed. (I'm not sure why)
17:43 ShadowNinja 0.3 has about 20/80 MESE to stone at -30912 BTW. :-)
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17:47 john_minetest Calinou: It doesn't only have bad sides
17:47 qwebirc92429 #futuremods
17:47 qwebirc92429 jain if you wan't
17:48 qwebirc92429 jjoin i mean sorry
17:48 qwebirc92429 how do i change my nickname does anyone know
17:49 ShadowNinja /nick
17:50 Calinou I don't want to get deaf
17:50 PilzAdam qwebirc92429, whats that channel about?
17:51 qwebirc92429 just
17:51 qwebirc92429 future mods
17:51 qwebirc92429 sir
17:51 PilzAdam what mods? Minetest mods?#
17:51 qwebirc92429 yes
17:51 qwebirc92429 ideas
17:51 PilzAdam and why is that channel useful?
17:51 qwebirc92429 not that i could make them
17:52 PilzAdam I mean, we have this channel to talk about mod ideas
17:52 qwebirc92429 ok
17:52 qwebirc92429 sorry sir
17:54 john_minetest Calinou: Sometimes I open minetest, wait for media load and switch to other apps. When there is some loud, annoying noise I remember that I have minetest open
17:54 MegafAtWork john_minetest: same here
17:54 MegafAtWork usually some passer by or a sheep
17:54 specing ShadowNinja: 0.3?
17:55 john_minetest MegafAtWork: Nearly always those sheep :D
17:55 MegafAtWork indeed
17:55 ShadowNinja specing: Yes, Minetest version 1.3.0.
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17:55 specing 1.3.0?!
17:56 ShadowNinja Er, 0.3.1
17:56 specing thats ancient
17:56 ShadowNinja (I forgot the first number is always zero)
17:56 MegafAtWork SPLIIIITT!
17:57 PilzAdam breaking news!!! Minetest 1.3.0 confirmed!
17:57 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: lol
17:57 ShadowNinja Heh.
17:57 MegafAtWork !rainbow In a Split Minetest 1.3.0 comes
17:57 MinetestBot 8In5 a 5S7pl5it 6M8in9e8te5s4t9 ​15.6​3.2​03 c3om6e7s
17:57 ShadowNinja So who wants to rewrite the protocol after 0.4.9? :-)
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17:58 MinetestBot rubenwardy: <PilzAdam> I dont have anything else to say
17:58 rubenwardy Hi all
17:58 MinetestBot rubenwardy: <sapier> I don't have anything to say too
17:58 rubenwardy lol
17:58 PilzAdam heh
17:58 ShadowNinja Um, PM? ^ :-)
17:58 MegafAtWork Hi rubenwardy
17:59 Calinou ShadowNinja, sfan5 suggested sending less packets as reliable
17:59 Calinou could be worth a try
18:00 ShadowNinja Calinou: Well, most of the protocol is reliable, so we should use TCP.
18:00 specing How about that new protocol
18:00 specing SCTP or what is it called
18:01 rubenwardy "PilzAdam can't control his/her aggressions, either. He/She picked on others 13 times."
18:01 MinetestBot rubenwardy: <john_minetest> hi
18:01 * PilzAdam slaps rubenwardy
18:01 rubenwardy quote from http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html
18:01 PilzAdam *14
18:03 john_minetest 10 john_minetest :D
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18:03 specing Hahaha celeron55 didn't make it to the top
18:03 Issa2013 hello
18:03 rubenwardy 16 rubenwardy¬
18:03 MinetestBot rubenwardy: <john_minetest> It is 19:03 on my clock now
18:04 rubenwardy a
18:04 john_minetest Okay, perfect!
18:04 PilzAdam specing, why would he? hes not even in this channel
18:04 john_minetest Now we got the delay: MinetestBot delivers after 2 minutes!
18:04 MinetestBot john_minetest: <rubenwardy> please shut up
18:04 rubenwardy :P
18:05 john_minetest lol
18:05 john_minetest Why does yours go so fast?
18:05 specing VanessaE spoke a total of 228661 words!
18:05 specing Omg :O
18:06 rubenwardy (took 5 seconds
18:06 rubenwardy )
18:07 john_minetest bb in 10 minutes
18:09 MegafAtWork 1:50 hour to go home
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18:15 rubenwardy Netsplit thingy?
18:15 MinetestBot rubenwardy: <john_minetest> Just 5 seconds?
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18:15 rubenwardy Wow
18:17 rubenwardy j
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18:31 rubenwardy Jordach! Hi.
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18:36 George what does deop mean may i ask
18:37 PilzAdam George, its the inverse to op
18:37 Peacock deop = before sex change, postop = after :P
18:38 john_minetest back
18:42 john_minetest deop is bad french. It is "De L'op" or "De l'operateur"
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18:45 Jordach i call systems bullshit
18:45 kahrl I always figured deop was a lispism
18:46 kahrl as in, "does this person use deo?"
18:46 Peacock metro/subway user i see :P
18:47 john_minetest I always laughed about "In excelsis deo" in "Gloria".
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18:49 rubenwardy john_minetest: It appear that the bot only posts !tell when 1) they post a message, 2) They login (which is a message)
18:50 john_minetest logic
18:50 MinetestBot john_minetest: <rubenwardy> see!
18:50 PilzAdam rubenwardy, yea, thats the point of it
18:50 john_minetest would have been funny if I timed out just in that moment and returned tomorrow :D
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18:51 Peacock seems kinda pointless with forum messages and email
18:51 john_minetest I wonder if I should do "!tell santa Hey Santa, I want chocolate for christmas :D"
18:52 Santa hi!
18:53 ZwartePiet where'd santa go?
18:55 rubenwardy Back to his work shop
18:55 Peacock the chinese factory?
18:57 rubenwardy Can someone add a link on http://wiki.minetest.net/Main_Page to http://wiki.minetest.net/Troubleshooting ?
18:57 rubenwardy Or allow me to edit the main page, and I can do it :OP
18:57 rubenwardy :P
18:58 * rubenwardy is doing 6 bit pixel art (like in the first mario - same palete)
18:59 VanessaE I think the first mario was from a 4-bit palette :P
19:00 rubenwardy http://www.thealmightyguru.com/Games/Ha​cking/Wiki/images/e/e8/Palette_NTSC.png
19:03 rubenwardy Its the palete for Nintendo Entertainment System
19:03 john_minetest 4 bit are a lot
19:03 rubenwardy !c 2^4
19:03 MinetestBot IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/calc.py", line 46, in c)
19:03 VanessaE huh.
19:03 john_minetest !c 2**4
19:03 MinetestBot IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/calc.py", line 46, in c)
19:03 john_minetest :P
19:04 VanessaE I didn't realize it had that many colors.
19:04 PilzAdam sfan5_, ^
19:04 rubenwardy !c 2*2*2*2
19:04 MinetestBot IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/calc.py", line 46, in c)
19:04 VanessaE for some reason I thought it was just a 16-color system.
19:04 ShadowNinja ~math calc 2*2*2*2
19:04 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: 16
19:04 FreeFull !c 3
19:04 MinetestBot IndexError: list index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/calc.py", line 46, in c)
19:04 rubenwardy !rainbow hi
19:04 MinetestBot 3h5i
19:05 rubenwardy Bot bug!
19:05 ShadowNinja Not exactly rare. ;-)
19:06 rubenwardy http://ubuntuone.com/29t1aUKMYv6VrMS3RDFwG4 :P (png, pixel art)
19:07 rubenwardy Making a donkey kong style retro game
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19:08 ShadowNinja ~tell Calinou Fix moreblocks. things registered with register_stair_slab_panel_micro aren't added to th circular saw, and manually adding it doesn't work. It also has some rather serious code style issues.
19:08 ShadowBot ShadowNinja: O.K.
19:10 VanessaE ShadowBot: look at how I do it in gloopblocks
19:10 VanessaE ShadowNinja: ^^^^
19:11 ShadowNinja VanessaE: I tried inserting it manually but it isn't working.
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19:12 VanessaE wfm :)
19:13 VanessaE of course gloopblocks has code style issues as well but I can blame most of that on nekogloop ;)
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19:17 Peacock by code style issues you mean the guy wrote it in his own style? :P i wouldn't call that an issue so much as a fact of life :P
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19:19 rubenwardy What if their style was to write it all on one line with ;'s
19:19 Megaf we could port minetest to web with this https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/wiki
19:20 Peacock well people code for their own pleasure not for other people's benefit, so it make sense they should use whatever style theyre comfortable with
19:24 E4xoi ~math calc 1+1
19:24 E4xoi ShadowBot: hi
19:24 Megaf Here is an example of a game ported to HTML5 http://www.unrealengine.com/html5/
19:25 E4xoi Megaf: if it already sucks performance-wise, imagine in html
19:25 E4xoi also, you would need irrlicht for html5
19:29 Megaf Theres Lua to HTML5 too http://kripken.github.io/lua.vm.js/repl.html
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19:35 Megaf proller: lets port minetest to browserz https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/wiki
19:35 E4xoi inb4 fixed in freeminer
19:37 harrison <Peacock> well people code for their own pleasure...
19:38 harrison true that
19:38 harrison the pleasure is excruciating
19:38 harrison surprising that the govt has not found a way to tax it yet
19:39 Peacock well only if you're doing commiopensource :P i get more of a kick out of contracts (moneys, learnings, no harassments) :P
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19:49 Peacock "Facebook, Zuckerberg, banks must face IPO lawsuit, court rules" you'd think people would have learned something from the dot-com bust lol
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19:57 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Change field receipt handling to work properly with Minetest 0.4.8. e8d31c3e5a 2013-12-18T11:54:46-08:00 http://git.io/GtzCCg
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20:00 zsoltisawesome ugh, it was horrible not being on IRC
20:00 zsoltisawesome i broke my vaction
20:00 Calinou hi zsoltisawesome :p
20:01 zsoltisawesome i resisted for a total of like 16 hours
20:01 zsoltisawesome I NEED FRIENDS!
20:01 zsoltisawesome !seen lordcirth
20:01 MinetestBot zsoltisawesome: lordcirth was last seen at 2013-12-17 05:57:26 UTC on #minetest
20:01 * Calinou puts Rainbow Dash in the channel
20:01 * zsoltisawesome grabs Rainbow Dash greedly
20:02 zsoltisawesome MINE!
20:02 Peacock it's a bit sad to rely on IRC for friends :P what about IRL?
20:03 zsoltisawesome well, im grounded from visiting IRL friends until i finish this: http://www.k12.com
20:03 zsoltisawesome well, this grade
20:04 Peacock and you dont see friends at school?
20:04 * zsoltisawesome facepalms
20:04 zsoltisawesome i got to online school
20:04 E4xoi calinou doesn't
20:04 zsoltisawesome *go
20:04 E4xoi wat zsoltisawesome
20:05 Peacock you homeschooled or failed real school?
20:05 zsoltisawesome wat E4xoi?
20:05 zsoltisawesome no, damn bullies
20:05 * E4xoi dubstep remixes zsoltisawesome
20:05 Peacock why don't you clean their chronometers?
20:06 zsoltisawesome wutsauce?
20:06 john_minetest duck sauce.
20:06 zsoltisawesome EWWWWW
20:06 zsoltisawesome XD
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20:06 john_minetest ooohoooohooooo! Barbara Streisand!
20:06 Calinou s/du/di
20:06 * Calinou holds grenade for 4 seconds
20:06 Calinou john_minetest, isn't it Barbra
20:06 john_minetest Right
20:07 Calinou I always think Barbra Streisand is a singer from the 60s
20:07 john_minetest s/ra/ay
20:09 zsoltisawesome hmmm
20:09 zsoltisawesome anyone wanna volunteer to make the texture for Moontest?
20:10 Peacock for 310'000 british pounds i'll do it
20:11 zsoltisawesome for free
20:11 zsoltisawesome well, i'll consider mailing a herseys bar
20:12 Peacock will probably be intercepted and seized by the TSA lol
20:12 E4xoi pay me with DOGEcoin!
20:13 zsoltisawesome s/seized/eaten
20:13 E4xoi so currency much texture
20:14 zsoltisawesome whats DOGEcoin
20:14 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Vertical wire update. d9cc1d5aa1 2013-12-18T12:14:03-08:00 http://git.io/wVF4Hw
20:15 E4xoi https://bitcointalk.org/ind​ex.php?topic=361813.0!title
20:15 E4xoi https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361813.0
20:15 E4xoi !title
20:15 MinetestBot E4xoi: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency - many coin - wow - v1.1 Released
20:16 john_minetest Wow! Very Coin! Much winz! So economy!
20:16 Peacock doubleplus good
20:16 Calinou lol, E4xoi is now spreading that dogecoin
20:16 Peacock better than spreading dogeshit
20:16 kaeza *Shitcoin
20:17 Calinou Shitcoin, nice name
20:17 Peacock nice
20:17 E4xoi pls hurry, much solo mining, wow no doges
20:17 zsoltisawesome what the hell is this
20:17 E4xoi pls Peacock
20:17 E4xoi zsoltisawesome: a meme-based just-for-the-lulz virtual currency
20:18 E4xoi i have 1600 DOGE :D
20:18 john_minetest so text, much convasation, very irc
20:18 E4xoi in my wallet and 350~ going to it
20:20 jin_xi should make lolcoins for the cat lovers
20:20 john_minetest That would be lollar
20:21 Calinou ponycoins
20:21 jin_xi duh
20:21 zsoltisawesome Calinou: +1
20:21 john_minetest Terabitcoins
20:21 zsoltisawesome lol
20:22 john_minetest Much valuez, wow, so phat , much rich
20:22 jin_xi im in ur wallet eating your moniez
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20:22 zsoltisawesome E4xoi: does the dogecoin miner need win?
20:22 jin_xi i can haz lolcoin nao?
20:22 E4xoi win = wat
20:22 E4xoi windows?
20:22 E4xoi no it doesn't
20:23 Peacock rmscoin, 20 years to develop, never quite finished, and only mined on HURD systems :P
20:23 zsoltisawesome lol
20:23 Peacock which means only a dozen or so will get rich lol
20:23 kaeza Peacock, and the coins are free!
20:23 kaeza *free as in freedom
20:24 Peacock oh and since the coins will be licensed GPL, rms can change the terms in any future version and seize your coins, for your freedom :P
20:24 zsoltisawesome lol
20:25 Peacock of course, no one will be fully free until we relieve everyone of the burdens of property ownership and free will XD
20:25 Peacock at which point, I will be your Supreme Chancellor for life
20:26 john_minetest Peacock: But it is completely free. Other currencies look similar and must now be called GNU/dollar or GNU/Euro or GNU/monopolymoney
20:26 Peacock or GNU/Myass
20:26 john_minetest GNU/Bitcoin
20:26 kaeza john_minetest, monopolymoney is proprietary! you should be ashamed!
20:26 john_minetest Lol, I got ideas for pervert library names...
20:27 john_minetest kaeza: It is not since it is like GNU/HURDmoney. It is a modified coin so it has to be under GPL, too.
20:28 zsoltisawesome what the hell is up with the horrible grammer?
20:28 Peacock Kelsey Grammar? his latest shows aren't that bad
20:28 E4xoi zsoltisawesome: that is the joke
20:29 zsoltisawesome its hard to understand
20:29 zsoltisawesome XD
20:29 E4xoi it isn't that hard
20:29 zsoltisawesome so, how many coins you want
20:29 zsoltisawesome per texture
20:30 Calinou john_minetest, there is already "libass"
20:30 john_minetest And libsexy and libcaca
20:30 PilzAdam inb4 libpony
20:31 john_minetest Is there "libre"?
20:31 Calinou I don't think so
20:31 zash regex lib?
20:31 Calinou PilzAdam, there's some planet-stuff software named "celestia"
20:31 PilzAdam lol, first hit on "libpony" is "Diablo 3 retail client Emulator - BoerseBZ"
20:32 PilzAdam oO https://github.com/libpony/
20:33 * specing slaps Peacock
20:33 Peacock dont do that, i might get aroused
20:34 Peacock http://humoroutcasts.com/wp-content/uploads/2​012/07/nodontdothatyoullgivemeanerrection.jpg
20:35 zsoltisawesome lol
20:36 Peacock he;s pretty funny in this skit http://youtu.be/vLfghLQE3F4
20:39 zsoltisawesome guys: https://github.com/search?q=libwtf&​amp;type=Code&amp;ref=searchresults
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20:42 zsoltisawesome lol i found liblib
20:43 zsoltisawesome even libliblib https://github.com/search?q=libwtf&​amp;type=Code&amp;ref=searchresults
20:46 john_minetest And there are pervert libs aviable...
20:47 Peacock you'd think most geeks would need an outside lib to be a perv lol
20:47 Peacock *wouldn't
20:48 Peacock (judging from all the recorded webcam sessions turning up on tube sites) :P
20:49 zsoltisawesome https://github.com/thomasluce/cumquat
20:50 Calinou in #minetest-dev: <rubenwardy> Security night mare
20:50 Calinou sounds like a pony
20:50 Calinou :>
20:50 zsoltisawesome indeed
20:51 zsoltisawesome oh snap: http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130106​212746/villains/images/8/8f/Nightmare_Moon.png
20:51 john_minetest It is not even svg
20:52 zsoltisawesome who gives a fuck?
20:53 Peacock i have a few fucks i can give, the rest are for sale
20:54 iqualfragile Calinou: nah, he was just woried about me having his email
20:54 zsoltisawesome lol
20:58 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Include WorldEdit GUI in the documentation, improve privilege handling, simplify main dialog. https://gi 2013-12-18T12:56:50-08:00 http://git.io/1WYzyg
20:59 zsoltisawesome ugh
20:59 zsoltisawesome i hate not having a way to compile stuff
21:00 kahrl which os?
21:02 zsoltisawesome Ubuntu 12.04 livecd or Windows 7 64bit
21:02 kahrl every windows 7 ships with at least 1 compiler
21:02 zsoltisawesome like what
21:03 kahrl C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Fra​mework64\v4.0.30319\csc.exe
21:03 zsoltisawesome really?
21:04 kahrl yes, if you like C# ;)
21:04 iqualfragile kahrl: stop making fun of him
21:04 kahrl I am not
21:04 Miner_48er what do you need to compile?
21:04 zsoltisawesome its very sharp, i tend to stay away from sharp object because i am clumsy
21:04 zsoltisawesome cgminer
21:05 zsoltisawesome i wish i didnt need it
21:06 john_minetest Advertising: ##adventuregames for p&c adventure game stuff!
21:08 Miner_48er zsoltisawesome what's that for?
21:09 zsoltisawesome cgminer is for mining bitcoins/dogecoins/wahtevertheshitcoins
21:10 zsoltisawesome :( minetests tiny following has died like a fart in the wind
21:10 daswort you list dogecoins but not litecoin?
21:11 E4xoi much litecoin
21:11 zsoltisawesome those was off the top of my head
21:11 kahrl bitcoin? well that bubble did just pop
21:12 daswort kahrl~ did it? did i miss it?
21:12 ShadowNinja Calinou: Got my message?
21:12 E4xoi xD
21:12 Miner_48er zsoltisawesome https://www.coinat.com/tutorials/how-to-​mine-litecoins-with-cgminer-on-windows/
21:12 daswort E4xoi~ very precise!
21:13 kahrl daswort: it fell below $500 today
21:13 zsoltisawesome lol
21:13 zsoltisawesome Miner_48er: umm linux not windows :P
21:14 daswort let us take a closer look at the metapher bubble. Does a bubble fall when you put a needle in it? I think not.
21:14 zsoltisawesome FART IN THE WIND, guys
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21:14 Peacock better than piss in the wind (blowback and all)
21:14 daswort zsoltisawesome nearly subscribed to "cat facts™"
21:15 zsoltisawesome Peacock: LOL
21:15 Miner_48er https://coinaxis.com/index.php/ent​ry/how-to-configure-linux-and-buil​d-cgminer-for-bitcoin-and-litecoin
21:15 Peacock coin axis, axis of evil, OMGs
21:15 zsoltisawesome lol
21:16 zsoltisawesome guys #dogecoin
21:16 zsoltisawesome !title
21:17 MinetestBot zsoltisawesome: How To Configure Linux, and build Cgminer for bitcoin and litecoin. - Home
21:17 Peacock !tits
21:17 zsoltisawesome !rainbow tits
21:17 MinetestBot 7t8i2ts
21:17 Peacock i guess minetestbot's a prude
21:17 zsoltisawesome lol
21:17 sapier [ANNOUNCEMENT] mobf 2.3.4 bugfix only release
21:18 Peacock [ANNOUNCEMENT] going to the bathroom
21:18 sapier where to download videoclip?
21:18 zsoltisawesome Advertisment: Moontest is back to the same old grind! Please help at http://tinyurl.com/moontest
21:18 zsoltisawesome sapier: LOL
21:18 sapier I need an example for next times "ppl uploading crazy things" discussion
21:18 Megaf Hi all
21:19 zsoltisawesome hello Megaf at work
21:19 Megaf Actually I'm at home now
21:19 zsoltisawesome oh shit
21:19 Megaf or, I'm just home
21:19 Peacock Moontest - assless chaps for your character avatar
21:19 zsoltisawesome HES AT HOME! EVERYONE RUN!
21:20 Megaf You can run but you can not hide
21:20 Megaf \o/ ¬o-
21:20 zsoltisawesome shh, he'll find out we ate his pie
21:20 kahrl sure we can, we just put a . in front of ourselves
21:20 * Megaf uses ls -a
21:20 Peacock resistance is futile
21:21 Megaf I don't know who you are, but I will find you and will get my pie back
21:21 zsoltisawesome NEVAR
21:22 zsoltisawesome I THROW IT IN THE SEWAR AFTAR I POOPED IT OUT
21:23 Calinou hi quality Megaf
21:24 zsoltisawesome lol
21:24 Megaf Folks, does this means that remote_media is actually working? http://paste.debian.net/71666/
21:24 Megaf VanessaE, Ping
21:24 sfan5 oh look.. another IS2 thread on 4chan
21:24 zsoltisawesome lo quality Megaf
21:26 iqualfragile zsoltisawesome: why would you shorten an url and then post it in irc?
21:26 zsoltisawesome you mean the advert?
21:27 Calinou Megaf, that's a old PC :o
21:27 zsoltisawesome it was shortened a long time ago
21:27 Megaf Calinou, What do you mean?
21:27 Calinou the graphics card
21:27 ShadowNinja Calinou: *poke*
21:28 Calinou where?
21:28 ShadowNinja Calinou: Did you get my message? (From ShadowBot)
21:29 Megaf Calinou, and its onboard
21:29 Megaf still get 60 FPS with shaders of
21:29 Calinou I don't see it
21:29 Calinou send it again
21:29 Megaf drawtime 20
21:29 Calinou Megaf, lspci | grep VGA
21:29 Calinou paste the output of that command here
21:29 Megaf And using the open source driver
21:30 Calinou you are, yes
21:30 Calinou surprising to see you have 60 FPS with radeon, on a 3.2 kernel
21:30 Megaf Calinou, http://paste.debian.net/71669/
21:30 Calinou newer kernels have much better performance
21:30 Megaf Calinou, Debian + LXDE
21:30 Calinou "lspci | grep VGA" returns just one line usually...
21:30 Calinou still :P
21:30 Megaf usually GNOME
21:31 Calinou oh, that's a HD4200
21:31 Calinou even more surprising
21:31 Megaf Debian 7.3 is just fantastic
21:31 Calinou ...but old
21:31 Calinou today, I installed Fedora 20 and Debian Testing in VirtualBoxes, to try them (with GNOME 3)
21:31 Calinou GNOME 3 doesn't seem to be that bad if you get used to it
21:32 Megaf Calinou, my CPU http://paste.debian.net/71670/
21:38 zsoltisawesome !tell YourMom YOU SUCK
21:38 MinetestBot zsoltisawesome: I'll pass that on when YourMom is around
21:39 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Handle LuaErrors in Lua -> C++ calls on LuaJIT 49cec3f782 2013-12-18T13:35:55-08:00 http://git.io/RTQa3A
21:41 Megaf VanessaE, what are the biggest trees?
21:46 Calinou zsoltisawesome, don't abuse the bot ;)
21:48 E4xoi amd is awesome Calinou
21:48 E4xoi deal-with-it \o/
21:48 zsoltisawesome ok, fine
21:49 zsoltisawesome E4xoi: 1 DOGE pls DRkinkQCHyJVDzrE1i9dDyyBMLutCxzijC
21:49 zsoltisawesome one
21:49 E4xoi sent
21:49 Calinou E4xoi, sometimes it is
21:49 zsoltisawesome ok
21:50 john_minetest omg... a dogecoin miner hidden in a mod... so lua     much cool    very winz
21:50 PilzAdam bye
21:51 zsoltisawesome that would be awesome
21:51 zsoltisawesome you could mine coins while mining mese
21:51 zsoltisawesome XD
21:53 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add 'minetest.write_json' 1ed90c90c3 2013-12-18T13:46:53-08:00 http://git.io/wX4YSw
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21:54 zsoltisawesome E4xoi: thx for the coin
21:54 E4xoi lol
21:56 quasar joined #minetest
21:56 zsoltisawesome do you have any idea what this does: http://www.pmtocoins.com/
21:59 phantombeta Hi
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22:12 hoodedice Somebody kill me right now!
22:12 zsoltisawesome why
22:12 zsoltisawesome i will if you give me 10 dogecoins
22:12 hoodedice Put someone else's PC PLUS Windows PLUS Limited Account PLUS an outdated firefox
22:13 hoodedice dogecoins?
22:13 specing wow very currency
22:13 zsoltisawesome http://www.dogecoins.com
22:13 zsoltisawesome indeed
22:13 zsoltisawesome much cool
22:13 hoodedice Hmm
22:13 hoodedice That Site. Not Work
22:13 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Log guilty node name when allow_metadata_inventory_move/put/take fails ba8fa0bd42 2013-12-18T14:04:13-08:00 http://git.io/9i5E4w
22:14 zsoltisawesome i may have typed wrng
22:14 zsoltisawesome http://dogecoin.com/
22:14 zsoltisawesome there
22:14 zsoltisawesome its like a meme based bitcoin thing
22:15 hoodedice real currency?
22:16 hoodedice kaeza
22:16 zsoltisawesome cryptocurrency
22:16 kaeza hoodedice
22:16 zsoltisawesome YourMom
22:16 hoodedice You has Asha?
22:16 kaeza yeah
22:16 hoodedice *pfft*
22:16 hoodedice Why?
22:16 hoodedice You Indian?
22:16 kaeza why not?
22:16 hoodedice That phone is...
22:17 hoodedice Lots of stuff
22:17 hoodedice Get an N9 or Jolla instead
22:17 hoodedice !g cryptocurrency
22:17 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptocurrency
22:17 hoodedice Thank you, MinetestBot.
22:17 kaeza >Lots of too stuff
22:17 kaeza -too
22:18 kaeza I suck at quoting
22:18 kaeza anyway, I'm all ears
22:18 hoodedice Lets start with it being an S40 phone
22:18 kaeza or eyes rather
22:18 hoodedice Plus, synaptic multi touch
22:18 hoodedice Then, not many apps
22:18 kaeza and?
22:18 hoodedice Add that to the fact that it's a ripoff of the N9
22:19 kaeza again, and?
22:19 hoodedice And...
22:19 hoodedice It's developed by enslaved Indians
22:19 kaeza you failed to make a point
22:19 kaeza with that, I leave
22:19 zsoltisawesome lol
22:20 hoodedice It's not Android or iOS
22:20 hoodedice And it's darned cheap and you could get an android for the same price
22:20 kaeza try harder
22:21 hoodedice zsoltisawesome: "Some have expressed concern that the smaller cryptocurrencies are pump and dump schemes" --wikipedia
22:21 hoodedice kaeza: I had that phone
22:21 zsoltisawesome lol
22:21 hoodedice I also had a Nokia C5-03, and a 5130
22:21 hoodedice Both were MUCH better.
22:21 zsoltisawesome you really dont use them, you just get them for the lulz
22:21 hoodedice Navigation, net speed (Not the 5130)
22:22 hoodedice I used each for 2 YEARS!
22:22 hoodedice kaeza, what do you like about the 308?
22:23 kaeza that it didn't cost a penny
22:23 hoodedice If it's the UI, get the N9 or the Jolla
22:23 hoodedice You get some androids for the same price.
22:23 kaeza plus I don't know what's this all about
22:24 hoodedice ??
22:24 * kaeza waves his ~12 years old Nokia 1100 around
22:24 hoodedice lol
22:25 * zsoltisawesome wants Dogecoins, but is incapable of mining them right now
22:26 * kaeza throws it at hoodedice
22:26 hoodedice One of our Core Devs is from the Permian age
22:26 kaeza *the channel breaks apart*
22:26 * hoodedice cracks
22:26 hoodedice zsoltisawesome: Smells like scam spirit
22:26 zsoltisawesome lol
22:26 zsoltisawesome why?
22:27 zsoltisawesome you dont put money into it
22:27 hoodedice No.
22:27 hoodedice But the money HAS value
22:27 zsoltisawesome yes
22:27 hoodedice So Scam.
22:27 hoodedice Much hate.
22:28 hoodedice VanessaE
22:29 zsoltisawesome !rainbow dash
22:29 MinetestBot 2da4s7h
22:30 hoodedice YAAY
22:31 zsoltisawesome E4xoi
22:31 E4xoi zsoltisawesome: what
22:31 E4xoi hoodedice: it is funny though
22:31 zsoltisawesome have you made a minetest mod?
22:31 zsoltisawesome E4xoi: indeed
22:31 hoodedice what is?
22:32 E4xoi dogecoin
22:32 zsoltisawesome dogecoins
22:32 E4xoi zsoltisawesome: only for personal usage
22:32 zsoltisawesome cool
22:32 zsoltisawesome do you wanna help with http://www.tinyurl.com/moontest
22:33 hoodedice Much funny. Still Scam.
22:36 zsoltisawesome hoodedice: much bullshit, many funny
22:37 E4xoi so currency wow
22:37 E4xoi Est. Shares  510762 (done: 343.96%)
22:37 E4xoi Pool Valid  1756805
22:37 E4xoi :(
22:37 Megaf bah, my server was full of players
22:37 Megaf then it used too much ram
22:37 Megaf then it got killed
22:38 Megaf Now its empty
22:38 Megaf how sad is that
22:38 zsoltisawesome very
22:38 kaeza OOM ate ur prozess OOMNOMNOMNOM
22:38 zsoltisawesome </sarcasm>
22:39 E4xoi very sad much players wow
22:39 E4xoi so minetest
22:39 E4xoi DOGE :D
22:39 zsoltisawesome linux nerds, do i configure compile install or configure install compile?
22:40 E4xoi configure compile install
22:40 E4xoi also no u
22:40 zsoltisawesome what
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22:44 zsoltisawesome ugh
22:44 zsoltisawesome i cant compile cgminer
22:44 zsoltisawesome this is many bad
22:44 E4xoi xD
22:44 E4xoi use cpuminer
22:45 zsoltisawesome thx
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22:48 zsoltisawesome so to solo mine i do: ./minerd --url http://127.0.0.1:9332 --userpass user:password --threads 8?
22:48 zsoltisawesome i bet you i will crash
22:49 E4xoi --threads 8? wat
22:49 E4xoi also, no
22:49 E4xoi don't do solo mining
22:49 E4xoi pool mining is the way to go
22:49 zsoltisawesome it too complicated
22:50 E4xoi very complicated much profit
22:56 zsoltisawesome hell, if i could i would do those damn math problems my self
22:57 rambomedic >mining without an asic >profit
22:57 zsoltisawesome what?
22:57 rambomedic you might as well be mining gold with a stick
22:57 zsoltisawesome ah
22:57 zsoltisawesome hey!
22:57 rambomedic at this point, if you want in on bitcoin, just buy some when the price drops like crazy
22:58 zsoltisawesome lol, i had a funny idea
22:58 kahrl nobody says you have to mine on your own equipment
22:58 zsoltisawesome true
22:58 kahrl just use a botnet
22:58 zsoltisawesome can you mine with rpi's?
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22:59 rambomedic zsoltisawesome, I heard they have pretty strong gpu's so I'm sure if you have a large cluster it could work well
22:59 zsoltisawesome awesome
22:59 E4xoi lol kahrl
22:59 zsoltisawesome cause im getting like 10 for xmas
22:59 E4xoi rambomedic: we're talking about dogecoin
23:00 rambomedic oh lol
23:00 E4xoi much profit
23:00 zsoltisawesome indeed
23:00 E4xoi so currency
23:00 E4xoi asics are for bitcoin mining
23:00 rambomedic so future
23:00 zsoltisawesome very doge
23:00 E4xoi dogecoin uses scrypt
23:00 E4xoi = gpu?
23:00 E4xoi anyway, even with my gpu and my cpu i couldn't get over 70kh/s i think
23:01 E4xoi that is why i ask for donations at DBbcvuurxAZuu33tV4JnJX2S8DUvHrXZED
23:01 zsoltisawesome hey! idea
23:01 zsoltisawesome sell lemonage for dogecoins
23:01 zsoltisawesome s/age/ade
23:02 E4xoi lol
23:02 kaeza lemonage for dodecoins
23:02 E4xoi lemodoge
23:02 zsoltisawesome lol
23:02 zsoltisawesome kaeza: what do you think?
23:03 kaeza meh
23:03 zsoltisawesome rambomedic: how bout you
23:03 hoodedice wut?
23:03 rambomedic i fink dat we shuold geit it bek 2gether
23:03 rambomedic zsoltrawesome
23:04 zsoltisawesome why does you "fink" that
23:05 zsoltisawesome i wish i could be paid in dogecoins
23:06 zsoltisawesome i get a lousy salery $3/hr but that like 8014.11510 DOGE an hour
23:07 hoodedice $3/hr? What do you do?
23:07 zsoltisawesome yardwork
23:07 john_minetest 3$...
23:07 zsoltisawesome cut down trees and shit
23:07 iqualfragile wtf? 3$
23:08 iqualfragile what are you? poor?
23:08 john_minetest In germany you get 7€ when you do shitty work in an electronics store.
23:08 john_minetest You don't need ANY qualifications.
23:08 zsoltisawesome lol
23:08 iqualfragile and you get like 5€ if you do "yardwork"+ people usualy give you +30%
23:08 iqualfragile as tip
23:08 john_minetest And 400€/month (tax-free iirc) when doing basic work like carrying boxes in the supermarket.
23:09 iqualfragile that is: if you are a child
23:09 iqualfragile well, it has to be said that you get ~400€ anyways
23:09 zsoltisawesome iqualfragile: no, not poor, under 18
23:09 iqualfragile see above
23:09 kaeza eh
23:09 john_minetest A friend of mine worked at an electronics store. He doesn't know anything about electronics. 7€/hour.
23:09 zsoltisawesome europeans...
23:09 zsoltisawesome lol
23:10 john_minetest And those are  €
23:10 iqualfragile i got a wage of ~20€ for working even when i was u18 because i set up and administrated servers and networks
23:10 john_minetest Dollars are 2/3 or something like that
23:10 iqualfragile bcz i g07 $k1lz
23:10 zsoltisawesome :|
23:10 zsoltisawesome and you are implying I dont?
23:10 john_minetest I don't have to work. I just get a new printer and stuff. My father works in switzerland and there is the $$$.
23:11 iqualfragile (that ~400 anywas is what we call harz4, its support money for people who had no job for a long time)
23:11 john_minetest zsoltisawesome: Either you got no skills OR you are paid so low that you should sue them.
23:11 zsoltisawesome latter
23:12 iqualfragile he is under8 b8 :D
23:12 zsoltisawesome :|
23:12 john_minetest lol.
23:12 john_minetest Minecraft is better off with their 12-years-olds ;)
23:12 zsoltisawesome quit with you idiotic leet
23:13 zsoltisawesome it hurts my brain to a level that only physical pain can inflict
23:13 john_minetest w3 d0n7 |<n0w 1337.
23:13 hoodedice lolwut is going on here?
23:14 zsoltisawesome people making fun of me for a low salary
23:14 zsoltisawesome i gtg in like 3 min
23:14 hoodedice They will\
23:14 iqualfragile hoodedice: y0ur 1337 13v3l i5 2l0w
23:14 hoodedice N0 71$ n07
23:15 iqualfragile $0rry
23:15 hoodedice My bro made $30/hr
23:15 zsoltisawesome your mom's level is too low
23:15 john_minetest u 607 n0 <lu3
23:15 hoodedice Cashier at a petrol pump
23:15 zsoltisawesome BRITISH
23:15 john_minetest That is 20€/h
23:16 john_minetest Not bad.
23:16 iqualfragile zsoltisawesome: yo mamas blood pressure is too high, she is overweight
23:16 hoodedice -.-
23:16 zsoltisawesome lol
23:17 hoodedice My cousin came in
23:17 hoodedice Showed him the minetest.net frontpage
23:17 john_minetest What I have to say about that "400-€-per-month"-thing: You are getting some diploma or something if you finish that. "Einzelhandelskaufmann/frau" or stuff
23:17 zsoltisawesome iqualfragile: its funny how i have to type i-q to autohighlight you, you dont seem to be all that smart
23:17 hoodedice Asked him what is that?
23:17 hoodedice (Guess what he said)
23:17 zsoltisawesome minecraft
23:17 zsoltisawesome XD
23:17 hoodedice XD
23:18 hoodedice 'Murica
23:18 iqualfragile zsoltisawesome: actualy i am, but i like making fun of peopble from while to while
23:18 zsoltisawesome iqualfragile: thats understandable
23:18 iqualfragile and tonight i chose you, feel honored
23:18 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Don't throw a error when writing JSON fails e1f9ba435f 2013-12-18T15:18:43-08:00 http://git.io/AdnpXQ
23:19 zsoltisawesome tonight? its only 14:19
23:19 john_minetest zsoltisawesome: That name is mind control. The same as "t/home" for chat and /home. T Home is some telecommunication shit by german drosselkom.
23:19 iqualfragile zsoltisawesome: germany, its 00:21 around here
23:19 hoodedice Thank you ShadowNinja
23:19 john_minetest zsoltisawesome:0:20
23:20 zsoltisawesome gotta bail see you maybe tomaorroooooooow
23:20 zsoltisawesome BAI
23:20 zsoltisawesome HAVE SO DOGES
23:20 iqualfragile gtfo
23:21 Megaf can you please do something so the server doesnt crashes when a stupid mod attempts to index a nill value http://paste.debian.net/71692/
23:21 hoodedice =D
23:22 iqualfragile Megaf: its simple, fix mod
23:22 john_minetest much late  |  very stuff to do  |  so interesting chat
23:22 Megaf VanessaE, much of the crashes is because of your mods =/
23:24 hoodedice VanessaE is not on atm
23:25 hoodedice Megaf, remember that your mods are loaded from someone else's PC
23:25 john_minetest And another ad: ##adventuregames
23:26 john_minetest Y U NO jion may cahnnle?
23:26 hoodedice So download speed for mods depends on your bandwidth, your peer's bandwidth, geographic position and Schrodinger's cat
23:27 john_minetest :3
23:27 hoodedice Because I DK
23:27 hoodedice IDK lol
23:27 john_minetest Is schoedinger's cat dead? Or alive?
23:28 john_minetest You can't tell until you observe it.
23:28 hoodedice Both.\
23:28 john_minetest Is the moon there when it is not observed?
23:28 hoodedice Both.
23:28 john_minetest And how can we be sure that we exist when we aren't observed?
23:28 hoodedice Both.
23:28 john_minetest Cheese or ham?
23:28 hoodedice Cheese.
23:29 john_minetest I'd prefer ham, but okay.
23:29 hoodedice Ham is pork
23:30 john_minetest On flights you can eat cheese. Normally it tastes too strong for my taste but in that height you don't taste it anymore.
23:30 hoodedice Ham is pork. http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumb​lr_m8hs7p8nrr1rqkc6to1_1280.jpg
23:30 hoodedice I like cheese
23:31 hoodedice Megaf!
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23:39 john_minetest THIS is ham: http://www.qsl.net/ct1fak/homest/array2.jpg
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23:44 rambomedic first-time connection to a server takes ages
23:44 rambomedic I
23:44 rambomedic I've been waiting like 1 whole minute already
23:44 rambomedic It should be instantaneous
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23:44 kaeza lucky!
23:46 kaeza ...unless that was sarcasm, in which case ignore me
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