| Time |
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| 00:07 |
Sokomine |
everhill: yes, i think so. harpold did well with that building, even though the server itshelf annoys me a lot (not the people there) |
| 00:10 |
specing |
*Ahem* |
| 00:10 |
specing |
Could not open file of texture: /home/specing/.minetest/textures/base/pack/logo.png |
| 00:10 |
specing |
01:10:03: ERROR[main]: GUIFormSpecMenu::drawMenu() Draw images unable to load texture: |
| 00:10 |
specing |
01:10:03: ERROR[main]: /home/specing/.minetest/textures/base/pack/logo.png |
| 00:10 |
specing |
It is spamming these messages ~10/second |
| 00:11 |
specing |
I compiled minetest with -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0 |
| 00:11 |
specing |
(making the local checkout use ~/.minetest) |
| 00:14 |
specing |
I see this png present in the local checkout |
| 00:14 |
specing |
I will symlink for now |
| 00:20 |
VanessaE |
happens to me, too |
| 00:20 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: http://exio4.com.ar/private/mtw.ogv |
| 00:22 |
VanessaE |
*watches* |
| 00:22 |
VanessaE |
this happens to me too |
| 00:22 |
VanessaE |
though it's usually less dramatic |
| 00:22 |
VanessaE |
artifact of a faster processor, perhaps |
| 00:22 |
VanessaE |
or videoor some other damn thing |
| 00:22 |
VanessaE |
but the basic effect is the same |
| 00:23 |
Exio4 |
my processor isn't that faster than yours |
| 00:23 |
Exio4 |
mine is a bulldozer => shitty st performance versus a phenom |
| 00:23 |
Exio4 |
a phenom II is about 30% faster at same clock rate iirc |
| 00:23 |
Exio4 |
also, your gpu seems to be better than mine, no? |
| 00:24 |
Exio4 |
(mine is a low-end GT610) |
| 00:25 |
specing |
What program are you people using to record "screen"casts of a specific window on Linux/X11? |
| 00:26 |
Exio4 |
i just used recordmydesktop |
| 00:27 |
NakedFury |
Prt Scr button |
| 00:27 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: Phenom II X6 1055T with a AMD HD6870 video (fglrx driver). |
| 00:27 |
VanessaE |
I don't know what you're running, but while my system is fairly beefy, it isn't exactly top-of-the-line |
| 00:28 |
VanessaE |
s/with a/with an/ |
| 00:28 |
NakedFury |
I use that same card |
| 00:28 |
Exio4 |
Bulldozer 6100 with GT610 + nvidia latest blob |
| 00:28 |
Exio4 |
6100 = six cores but three FPUs |
| 00:29 |
NakedFury |
I have been thinking of upgrading the card but dont know with which. amd or nvidia and which line |
| 00:29 |
Exio4 |
you have six "6/10" FPUs and i have a 8/10 FPU but for two cores |
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Exio4 |
what frequency btw |
| 00:31 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: ^ |
| 00:32 |
VanessaE |
2.6 GHz |
| 00:33 |
VanessaE |
with rather nice cooler attached (so it's quite happy to run full bore for long durations if I so choose) |
| 00:34 |
Exio4 |
2.6*1.3 = 3.4~ ghz |
| 00:34 |
Exio4 |
but six real cores |
| 00:34 |
Exio4 |
so your system is somewhat better than mine? :D |
| 00:35 |
VanessaE |
heh, I guess |
| 00:35 |
VanessaE |
still |
| 00:35 |
VanessaE |
this is the engine that's supposed to be able to run on any old piece of shit :) |
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* Sokomine |
shows her nice celeron around which does...kind of...have a gpu inside |
| 00:39 |
Exio4 |
my system doesn't have an IGP |
| 00:44 |
specing |
Im on a 8600 M GT laptop that still chugs along |
| 00:44 |
specing |
Can even churn through Xonotic ;) |
| 00:48 |
specing |
01:29 < Exio4> 6100 = six cores but three FPUs |
| 00:48 |
specing |
Actually, that is not quite correct ;) |
| 00:48 |
specing |
A bulldozer module has two 128-bit FPUs that join into a 256-bit FPU when processing vector floating point :) |
| 00:51 |
Exio4 |
yeah |
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| 01:02 |
iqualfragile |
i am on a Radeon HD 7870 |
| 01:02 |
iqualfragile |
but everything is slow as fuck |
| 01:02 |
iqualfragile |
that might be due to me using mesa |
| 01:04 |
Taoki |
iqualfragile: I use Mesa too, but have a 6870. Don't know how well the free Radeon driver works with 7xxx series |
| 01:04 |
iqualfragile |
yes, mesa is great for the 6xxx series |
| 01:04 |
iqualfragile |
there was a huge improvement for the 7xxxx in mesa 10, but its still not top notch |
| 01:05 |
Exio4 |
<what kernel are you using and what mesa version |
| 01:10 |
iqualfragile |
newest released |
| 01:11 |
VanessaE |
why are you using mesa? |
| 01:11 |
VanessaE |
fglrx works pretty well on the 6000 series, radeon is shit on this one |
| 01:11 |
specing |
Heh |
| 01:11 |
iqualfragile |
oh, i did not know peacock was french |
| 01:11 |
VanessaE |
he's a canuck :) |
| 01:11 |
specing |
My experience with fglrx: segmentation fault |
| 01:11 |
iqualfragile |
because its oss |
| 01:12 |
VanessaE |
aw damn it, he signed off. |
| 01:12 |
specing |
NVidia proprietary drivers are the best drivers you can get for graphics on Linux |
| 01:12 |
Taoki |
VanessaE: Mesa is in the end better on Linux |
| 01:12 |
specing |
It even handles hardware failures! |
| 01:13 |
Taoki |
It runs some games more poorly, but it's still the native and most stable driver |
| 01:13 |
* Taoki |
doesn't believe in proprietary drivers for Linux. Although I admit they are necessary for some games |
| 01:13 |
specing |
It is also necessary for scientific computing |
| 01:14 |
specing |
OpenCL/CUDA on opensource? lolno |
| 01:14 |
Taoki |
specing: CUDA no, proprietary. OpenCL is coming to Mesa soon enough |
| 01:15 |
iqualfragile |
additionaly the properitary driver is not in the repositories |
| 01:15 |
specing |
It is for me |
| 01:15 |
Taoki |
Really, the free video drivers aren't that bad and horrible as everyone thinks :P I had fglrx (proprietary ATI) and was glad to get rid ot if and switch back to Mesa. Even if yes, I play high-end games on Linux |
| 01:16 |
Taoki |
In a few years at most, the idea that the free drivers are far worse than the proprietary ones will probably be history |
| 01:16 |
specing |
Im giving it 5+ years |
| 01:17 |
specing |
Though I doubt they will ever reach the quality level of those NVidia blobs |
| 01:19 |
iqualfragile |
nvidia blobs have problems with vga display resolution and multiple displays |
| 01:19 |
specing |
And I doubt they will support overclocking anytime soon :D |
| 01:20 |
iqualfragile |
specing: lets see what steam will bring |
| 01:22 |
specing |
Most likely better proprietary drivers |
| 01:22 |
iqualfragile |
i would not be too sure about that |
| 01:22 |
specing |
Since steam is proprietary itself, doubt they will push for opensource drivers |
| 01:22 |
iqualfragile |
there were some hints about ati moving to oss development |
| 01:23 |
iqualfragile |
they do |
| 01:23 |
iqualfragile |
additionaly both nvidia and ati have published quite a abit of documentation |
| 01:26 |
rambomedic |
I don't fucking understand their slow push to OSS drivers. Why not just fucking release the source code already? |
| 01:27 |
iqualfragile |
rambomedic: because thera are some secrets about how gpu optimization (hardware wise) |
| 01:27 |
iqualfragile |
and they might give big hints at those if they release their sourcecode |
| 01:28 |
specing |
There aren't secrets |
| 01:28 |
specing |
There are potential patent lawsuits |
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specing |
And not just potential, but guaranteed ones |
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iqualfragile |
specing: see? secrets |
| 01:35 |
VanessaE |
Taoki: for me, mesa has always been horribly slow compared to fglrx or...well whatever it is nVidia called their driver when I used that, years ago. |
| 01:36 |
Taoki |
VanessaE: It got better recently. Not for all card models, but better |
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Sokomine |
can one of you do me a favour? try to connect to redcrab.suret.net 30401 with newest client |
| 01:54 |
VanessaE |
15c31676 works for me on redcrab. |
| 01:55 |
VanessaE |
hm, I'm a few commits behind |
| 01:55 |
VanessaE |
lemme pull and re-check |
| 01:57 |
Sokomine |
ok. i think i have latest. it did work until recently. some problems where not uncommon on redcrabs server, but never several times in a row |
| 02:08 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: it's not you, latest git does not work for me either with Redcrab. |
| 02:10 |
Sokomine |
thank you for the information. freeminer - also latest - works |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
freeminer is at 9772322613 + more |
| 02:17 |
VanessaE |
so that makes it one of today's commits. |
| 02:18 |
VanessaE |
e9e9fd, 848f80, c120ea, 5fd92d, or 3946d2 |
| 02:18 |
VanessaE |
one of those is what broke it |
| 03:08 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: this bug is weird |
| 03:12 |
Hirato |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/e9e9fd7c3f12bc5119b567ad37527d777859dbc0 this is the only one it can be |
| 03:13 |
Exio4 |
we |
| 03:13 |
Exio4 |
we've tried some commits, no one of those is |
| 03:13 |
Exio4 |
it is way behind that |
| 03:14 |
Hirato |
hmmm... my last build was with commit 3337, and I connected fine |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
Hirato: impossible, Im way back inthe history before that commit |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
the bug predates that. |
| 03:15 |
Hirato |
I used/me shrugs |
| 03:16 |
Hirato |
it loaded only two blocks though :/ |
| 03:17 |
Exio4 |
fuck |
| 03:17 |
Exio4 |
this weather is shit |
| 03:17 |
VanessaE |
so disable the weather mod? ;) |
| 03:18 |
Exio4 |
i would like to do that in real life |
| 03:18 |
Exio4 |
or actually change the source code |
| 03:18 |
Exio4 |
but it isn't opensource! |
| 03:18 |
Exio4 |
real life sucks! :P |
| 03:18 |
Hirato |
oh yay, 4 blocks have loaded |
| 03:19 |
Hirato |
what's the bug? are yo ujust unable to connect? |
| 03:20 |
VanessaE |
connects but nothing at all loads. |
| 03:20 |
Hirato |
yeah |
| 03:20 |
Hirato |
it's not so much nothing at all, just takes forever |
| 03:20 |
Hirato |
I've probably got about 12 loaded :D |
| 03:21 |
Hirato |
I've had this problem locally too with finite liquid enabled |
| 03:21 |
Hirato |
if I overdid it a bit, it would become completely unresponsive in an interactive sense |
| 03:22 |
Hirato |
dug blocks wouldn't disappear, blocks owuldn't load, nothing would update |
| 03:22 |
Hirato |
not even any traffic on the local socket |
| 03:22 |
Exio4 |
>Feels like 29° |
| 03:23 |
Exio4 |
lies, it is like 35°C |
| 03:23 |
Exio4 |
D: |
| 03:23 |
Hirato |
!weather |
| 03:23 |
Hirato |
awh |
| 03:23 |
Hirato |
oh well, it's 38 in perth :P |
| 03:23 |
VanessaE |
redcrab's server predates the existence of finite liquids |
| 03:23 |
Hirato |
do new servers work fine? |
| 03:24 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 03:24 |
Hirato |
heh, some sort of 'network fix" sounds like the likely source |
| 03:24 |
Hirato |
it is loading, it just takes really long to load anything |
| 03:25 |
Hirato |
it's doing alright now that is got started |
| 03:39 |
Exio4 |
i'm out |
| 03:42 |
Hirato |
VanessaE: as far as I cna tell, it jsut takes a few minutes to start loading blocks, but once it does, it's fine |
| 03:43 |
VanessaE |
"a few minutes" is patently unacceptable I think |
| 03:43 |
VanessaE |
sadly, exio called it right... something about kahrl's httpfetch commit broke it... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6581646/ |
| 03:43 |
Hirato |
at least you've got two to run around in |
| 03:46 |
Hirato |
Hmm... |
| 03:46 |
Hirato |
I'm guessing a packet isn't being sent properly to initialise block load |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
right |
| 03:47 |
Hirato |
TOSERVER_RECEIVED_MEDIA? need some logs |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
at this point I let the folks in -dev handle it |
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* NekoGloop |
gives VanessaE a cookie |
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VanessaE |
NekoGloop: heh |
| 06:41 |
VanessaE |
check out the latest changes to gloopblocks. you may like. |
| 06:50 |
NekoGloop |
I see nothing too special |
| 06:51 |
VanessaE |
just local-izing some variables |
| 06:51 |
VanessaE |
== faster, better code :) |
| 06:51 |
NekoGloop |
other than you fixing me being a total idiot |
| 06:51 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 07:03 |
VanessaE |
oh well fine :( |
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hoodedice |
Sup peeps |
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| 09:26 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: downloading 25mb is still 30~ minutes here :P |
| 09:27 |
VanessaE |
no cURL? |
| 09:27 |
Guest81453 |
Good morning all; happy Day of Reconciliation! :-D |
| 09:27 |
VanessaE |
oh right |
| 09:28 |
VanessaE |
no high speed connection |
| 09:28 |
VanessaE |
hi Guest---er...JamesTait :) |
| 09:28 |
VanessaE |
(or however you spell it :) ) |
| 09:28 |
Guest81453 |
Heheh. :) |
| 09:28 |
Exio4 |
with curl |
| 09:28 |
Exio4 |
at max-speed! |
| 09:28 |
Guest81453 |
Yes, it looks like we've had problems again. |
| 09:31 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: ouch. get a better connection :) |
| 09:31 |
VanessaE |
I'm glad I have broadband :) |
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Exio4 |
i will |
| 09:36 |
Exio4 |
not now cuz atm i can't have a better network (without having 300ms+ latency) here |
| 09:39 |
VanessaE |
300ms latency is ..tolerable. |
| 09:40 |
VanessaE |
after all, minetest players routinely deal with fifty times that amount :) |
| 09:40 |
Hirato |
lol |
| 09:40 |
Hirato |
oh man... I don't want to imagine 20second latency in sauerbraten |
| 09:40 |
Exio4 |
VanessaE: it isn't tolerable |
| 09:41 |
Hirato |
just wondering, do you guys transparently compress network traffic with zlib or something? |
| 09:41 |
Exio4 |
my actual latency to europe is about 250ms |
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| 09:41 |
Hirato |
I imagine quite a bit of bandwidth can be saved when transmitting full blocks |
| 09:41 |
Exio4 |
it isn't tolerable, with a better network it would be about 450~ |
| 09:42 |
Hirato |
500ms+ is perfectly tolerable with cube 2 games :p |
| 09:42 |
Hirato |
the important thing there isn't ping, but the consistency of it :p |
| 09:43 |
VanessaE |
Hirato: no, it's raw, afaik |
| 09:43 |
Hirato |
lol |
| 09:43 |
VanessaE |
realtime compression would be even worse |
| 09:43 |
Exio4 |
why? |
| 09:43 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: be....cause the server is already slow enough as it is? |
| 09:43 |
VanessaE |
besides, |
| 09:44 |
VanessaE |
compression over a network connection isn't really beneficial these days is it? |
| 09:44 |
Hirato |
realtime compression doesn't add that much overhead |
| 09:44 |
Exio4 |
you aren't compressing 1gb every second |
| 09:44 |
Hirato |
since you're only applying it to a few things, like loading the 16x16x16 blocks |
| 09:44 |
VanessaE |
aren't pretty much all network streams already compressed? |
| 09:44 |
Exio4 |
that is app-dependant |
| 09:44 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: true |
| 09:45 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: I mean at the protocol layer, not at the application layer |
| 09:45 |
Exio4 |
exactly |
| 09:45 |
VanessaE |
e.g. at ethernet and below |
| 09:45 |
Exio4 |
nothing is compressed |
| 09:45 |
VanessaE |
huh |
| 09:45 |
Exio4 |
that is at the application layer |
| 09:45 |
VanessaE |
I figured everything was anymore |
| 09:45 |
VanessaE |
oh, ok |
| 09:45 |
VanessaE |
terminology mixup |
| 09:45 |
Exio4 |
(i mean, the compression) |
| 09:45 |
VanessaE |
(to me, application layer is what rides on top of the driver and kernel) |
| 09:45 |
Exio4 |
yeah |
| 09:46 |
Exio4 |
you used them right |
| 09:46 |
Exio4 |
i'm saying the compression is at the app layer :P |
| 09:46 |
VanessaE |
hardware -> firmware -> protocol e.g. ethernet -> kernel -> driver -> application e.g. web browser |
| 09:46 |
VanessaE |
that's how I always viewed it |
| 09:47 |
Exio4 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model |
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VanessaE |
about the same |
| 09:52 |
VanessaE |
you know me, oldskool. |
| 09:52 |
VanessaE |
I'm perpetually stuck in the old days, when the kernel, driver, and firmware were usually all blended into one :) |
| 09:53 |
VanessaE |
it was hardware -> kernel -> application and you were lucky if the kernel handled anything other than basic handshaking with said hardware :) |
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xyz|imaginary |
Hirato: I think blocks are compressed |
| 09:55 |
xyz|imaginary |
this doesn't help |
| 09:55 |
xyz|imaginary |
because well |
| 09:55 |
VanessaE |
ah, he speaks |
| 09:55 |
xyz|imaginary |
just read the source and you will see |
| 09:55 |
xyz|imaginary |
the Server::AsyncRunStep |
| 09:56 |
xyz|imaginary |
it's like |
| 09:56 |
xyz|imaginary |
single threaded to hell, [almost] everything is done in that poor thread |
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| 09:58 |
VanessaE |
oops |
| 09:58 |
VanessaE |
single-threaded all to hell |
| 09:59 |
VanessaE |
I think I could vouch for that. |
| 09:59 |
* VanessaE |
withholds specifics as she will most likely be wrong in all respects |
| 10:00 |
Hirato |
lol |
| 10:03 |
xyz|imaginary |
an example |
| 10:04 |
VanessaE |
sign-on lag? |
| 10:04 |
VanessaE |
<xyz|imaginary> <VanessaE> no, way wrong |
| 10:04 |
VanessaE |
:P |
| 10:05 |
VanessaE |
oops, screwed up the fake formatting :) |
| 10:06 |
xyz|imaginary |
no, I'm not that into the code |
| 10:06 |
xyz|imaginary |
but it looks like that when Lua is run, for example, connection waits |
| 10:06 |
xyz|imaginary |
well, not really waits, there's a separate connection thread |
| 10:07 |
xyz|imaginary |
but while lua is run you can't do anything else; like there's a peer to which you really want to send a block to |
| 10:08 |
Exio4 |
yeah, because lua can access new blocks and so on |
| 10:08 |
Exio4 |
everything gets locked when lua runs |
| 10:09 |
VanessaE |
xyz|imaginary: indeed so. I understand that to be part of the so-called "big environment lock" hmmmm has talked about |
| 10:09 |
xyz|imaginary |
meh, it's not that easy to explain, just read the code |
| 10:09 |
xyz|imaginary |
Exio4: it's not really like that |
| 10:10 |
Exio4 |
yeah |
| 10:10 |
xyz|imaginary |
there's envlock for sure but also the server is totally single threaded (apart from emerge stuff I think) |
| 10:10 |
xyz|imaginary |
and connection |
| 10:10 |
Exio4 |
everything gets locked or doesn't even run when lua runs* |
| 10:10 |
Exio4 |
happy now? |
| 10:10 |
Exio4 |
;P |
| 10:12 |
VanessaE |
me? read the code? O.o |
| 10:12 |
VanessaE |
you want me to go insane? |
| 10:12 |
VanessaE |
(short trip, I know) |
| 10:12 |
* Exio4 |
throws a C++ compiler at VanessaE's head |
| 10:13 |
* VanessaE |
ducks |
| 10:13 |
VanessaE |
the compiler wedges into kaeza's head |
| 10:15 |
xyz|imaginary |
Exio4: not everything |
| 10:15 |
xyz|imaginary |
there's a thread which sends and receives packets |
| 10:16 |
xyz|imaginary |
but server can't process them and reply while anything else is run, obviously |
| 10:18 |
xyz|imaginary |
but that's easy to fix; you can do! |
| 10:19 |
xyz|imaginary |
remove all locks! spawn teh threads! |
| 10:19 |
xyz|imaginary |
(fix all errors) |
| 10:19 |
xyz|imaginary |
well the last part is just a bit harder but I believe in you |
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VanessaE |
REMOVE ALL THE LOCKS! |
| 10:21 |
VanessaE |
-=>> "\ :D/ <<=- |
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xyz|imaginary |
FREE MINETEST! REMOVE ALL THE LOCKS! |
| 10:23 |
VanessaE |
remove _all_ the locks? ,0~0 |
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VanessaE |
(that second one is harder to render in ASCII than it looks :P ) |
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xyz|imaginary |
that's the only way to be truly free |
| 10:24 |
xyz|imaginary |
without any locks |
| 10:25 |
Exio4 |
free? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHSFTRUekT0 |
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Exio4 |
!title |
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MinetestBot |
Exio4: John Lennon - Free As A Bird (Original) - YouTube |
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VanessaE |
hey proller |
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Hirato |
Down with locks! long live futexes! |
| 10:54 |
Hirato |
or something |
| 10:54 |
VanessaE |
(how's that for sign-on lag? ;) ) |
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reactor |
o/ |
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reactor |
ShadowNinja: it was lag, yes. |
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proller |
VanessaE moo |
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VanessaE |
meow |
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thexyz |
guys |
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thexyz |
guys |
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thexyz |
they're going all out |
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VanessaE |
? |
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thexyz |
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vicono.zombie |
| 12:08 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 12:08 |
VanessaE |
and that's a dead game |
| 12:08 |
VanessaE |
Dan left minetest, pulled a j4i |
| 12:08 |
thexyz |
why? |
| 12:08 |
VanessaE |
long story. |
| 12:08 |
thexyz |
shit I'm so butthurt right now |
| 12:09 |
thexyz |
ah |
| 12:09 |
VanessaE |
short version: couldn't be bothered to fix a copy&paste error he caused while acepting a bugfix. |
| 12:09 |
thexyz |
I read it somewhere |
| 12:09 |
VanessaE |
got banned when he tried to violate the forum rules about blanking first posts. |
| 12:09 |
VanessaE |
same old routine,. |
| 12:09 |
thexyz |
anyway |
| 12:09 |
VanessaE |
anyways |
| 12:09 |
thexyz |
this has to stop |
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thexyz |
dmca the hell out of them |
| 12:14 |
VanessaE |
I suppose I could bitch about the animated torches... :P |
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* VanessaE |
is in give-up mode right now |
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Exio4 |
what the fuck? |
| 12:16 |
VanessaE |
? |
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VanessaE |
ok, I'm out. bbl. |
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reactor |
1o/ |
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reactor |
oops |
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reactor |
o/ |
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MegafAtWork |
Hi all, is anything wrong with http://servers.minetest.net/ ? |
| 12:31 |
MegafAtWork |
I noticed there are less servers that used to be there |
| 12:32 |
MegafAtWork |
And I updated my server to the lastest master branch of today and it doesnt show there anymore |
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MegafAtWork |
!up minetest.megaf.info 30003 |
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MinetestBot |
minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (527ms) |
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MegafAtWork |
12:20:38: ACTION[ServerThread]: announcing to servers.minetest.net |
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MegafAtWork |
sfan5: ShadowNinja: Any idea? |
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thexyz |
VanessaE: what's with animated torches? |
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MegafAtWork |
Well, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018 |
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MegafAtWork |
sfan5: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018 |
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sfan5| |
sfan5|* |
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hoodedice |
morning people |
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sfan5| |
umm |
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hoodedice |
good evening sfan5| |
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sfan5| |
MegafAtWork, "URL perimee: merci de n'utiliser que les codes forunis par zimagez pour afficher vos images stockees sur zimagez' |
| 13:12 |
MegafAtWork |
ok |
| 13:12 |
hoodedice |
*français* |
| 13:13 |
MegafAtWork |
sfan5|: fixed |
| 13:13 |
MegafAtWork |
hoodedice: not that hard to understand |
| 13:14 |
MegafAtWork |
it says , URL something: Thanks something using something the codes something something zimagez somtheing something your images stored in zimagez |
| 13:15 |
hoodedice |
lemme see: Please de not use que the code forunis par zimages for afficher vos images stockees sur zimages |
| 13:15 |
hoodedice |
All translated from memory |
| 13:15 |
MegafAtWork |
now, put our two translations toguether |
| 13:16 |
hoodedice |
Hmm, some zimages is not to be used in place of some other zimages |
| 13:16 |
sfan5| |
'URL forbidden: please use the forum codes from Zimagez for your images sroted in zimagez' ? |
| 13:16 |
hoodedice |
Makers Sense. |
| 13:16 |
sfan5| |
stored* |
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MegafAtWork |
I changed the code they gave me, that's what they are complaining about |
| 13:17 |
hoodedice |
lolwut? |
| 13:17 |
MegafAtWork |
Now I put the actual code back |
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sfan5| |
MegafAtWork, what does it show after 'Announcing to serverlist' |
| 13:17 |
MegafAtWork |
sfan5|: nothing |
| 13:17 |
hoodedice |
And I thought sfan5 was German. |
| 13:18 |
MegafAtWork |
he is |
| 13:18 |
sfan5| |
and no, I'm not learning france in school |
| 13:18 |
MegafAtWork |
a lot of the modern English language came from French and old English from German |
| 13:19 |
sfan5| |
s/france/french/ |
| 13:19 |
MegafAtWork |
and my native language is Brazilian Porguese, so I can understand some French and very little German |
| 13:19 |
sfan5| |
MegafAtWork, https://gist.github.com/sfan5/5494405 try that |
| 13:20 |
hoodedice |
And from Arabic too. Kinda surprising how many English words have Arab roots |
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sfan5| |
make sure you install the curl command line utility |
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harrison |
Baba ghanoush, Couscous, Falafel, Fattoush, Halva, Hummus, Kibbeh, Kebab, Lahmacun, Shawarma, Tabouleh, Tahini, Za'ata..... |
| 13:42 |
harrison |
otton, damask, gauze, macrame, mohair, & muslin |
| 13:42 |
Peacock |
one helluva christmas buffet you're setting up there |
| 13:43 |
harrison |
azedarach, bellerica, cubeba, emblica, galanga, metel, turpethum, and zedoaria. |
| 13:43 |
harrison |
arabic roots in english |
| 13:43 |
harrison |
[07:33:32] <hoodedice> And from Arabic too. Kinda surprising how many English words have Arab roots |
| 13:43 |
harrison |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Arabic_origin |
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reactor |
I wouldn't use those as root password, harrison. |
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Hirato |
baba ghanoush is the hooch that we've been looknig for |
| 13:44 |
Peacock |
those words are probably on a no-fly list then :P |
| 13:44 |
harrison |
that was either the worst pun or the best suggestion of the morning |
| 13:44 |
thardin |
baba ghanoush = good |
| 13:44 |
harrison |
The Italian botanist Prospero Alpini stayed in Egypt for several years in the 1580s. He introduced to Latin botany from Arabic from Egypt the names Abrus, Abelmoschus, Lablab, Melochia, each of which designated plants that were unknown to Western European botanists before Alpini, plants native to tropical Asia that were grown with artificial irrigation in Egypt at the time. |
| 13:44 |
Hirato |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAJ2ETqeU58 |
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Peacock |
lol why do you keep posting chunks of wikipedia? |
| 13:45 |
harrison |
As noted in an OS News article titled "Why People Troll and How to Stop Them" (January 25, 2012), "The traditional definition of trolling includes intent. That is, trolls purposely disrupt forums. This definition is too narrow. Whether someone intends to disrupt a thread or not, the results are the same if they do. |
| 13:46 |
Peacock |
doesn't explain the walls of text :P |
| 13:46 |
Hirato |
walls of text originated from English p.o |
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Peacock |
the most efficient trolling we get around here is people asking really dense questions, because you can never tell if they're serious or not lol |
| 13:49 |
Hirato |
so how do I make a Lua mod that injects Lua into other mods? |
| 13:49 |
Peacock |
How do i internet? |
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* Hirato |
resigns |
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Peacock |
lol |
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thexyz |
what is the speed of lua |
| 13:50 |
Peacock |
lol even better |
| 13:51 |
Peacock |
can i use javascript for mods XD |
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LazyJ |
Something seems amiss with the server announce /public server list in MT. |
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LazyJ |
VanessaE |
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Peacock |
yar, there be a thread on ye olde forums about it, matey |
| 13:52 |
LazyJ |
VanessaE's server aren't listed and ours isn't showing up either. |
| 13:52 |
LazyJ |
Recent thread or an old one? |
| 13:52 |
Peacock |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018 |
| 13:53 |
Peacock |
Megaf's having probs too |
| 13:53 |
LazyJ |
Ah, thanks for the link. |
| 13:53 |
Peacock |
i guess that timeout annoyance has been upgraded to a fullblown bug :/ |
| 13:53 |
LazyJ |
I'll add to it. Maybe it will help others as the come across this too. |
| 13:53 |
Peacock |
either that or the list server is having difficulties |
| 13:54 |
LazyJ |
A bug? In Minetest? Nahhh..... ;0) |
| 13:55 |
Peacock |
well without knowing the cause it's even odds client or list server lol |
| 13:55 |
LazyJ |
Yeah, gotta love those needle-in-a-haystack problems. |
| 13:55 |
reactor |
Иецю |
| 13:55 |
reactor |
Btw. |
| 13:55 |
Peacock |
not really needle, the problems' recent so you don't have to go back far in the commit log |
| 13:55 |
reactor |
VanessaE: last time I tried //rotate and //orient, they didn't work well. |
| 13:56 |
reactor |
I mean, I still can't rotate the whole buildings. |
| 13:57 |
Peacock |
rotate must be a bitch with facedir nodes + vmanip |
| 13:57 |
Peacock |
unless that's changed recently |
| 14:00 |
reactor |
I wish someone reverse-engineered Minecraft for those. |
| 14:01 |
Peacock |
well the math is the same and pretty basic, it's the methods that are different, not at all the same engines we're dealing with |
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sfan5 |
meow |
| 14:06 |
sfan5 |
I'm back |
| 14:06 |
Peacock |
when my cat meows, she usually wants cat treats :P |
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* sfan5 |
puts a kitten on Peacock's head |
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* reactor |
gives sfan5 some poison |
| 14:06 |
reactor |
Now you're Schroedinger's. |
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* sfan5 |
throws the poison at reactor |
| 14:07 |
reactor |
Because it says on the label: kills with 50% probability. |
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* reactor |
sparks |
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* Hirato |
turns into a kitten and sits on Peacock's head |
| 14:07 |
Peacock |
well with 50% chance of being alive or dead, there's a good change 2 of the previous 4 sfans' will still be alive |
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* sfan5 |
puts a kitten on Hirato's head |
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reactor |
Please refrain from jjjj jj jj jj jjj |
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sfan5 |
lol |
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sfan5 |
I got 50 dogecoin |
| 14:07 |
Peacock |
refrain from abrams? |
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reactor |
ЙЙЙЙЙйййЙЙError reading /dev/ra1: drive offline. |
| 14:08 |
Hirato |
silly nuclear reactors not using any protection |
| 14:08 |
sfan5 |
I got 50 dogecoin and 319 comment karma |
| 14:09 |
reactor |
No. Silly test subjects throwing the neurotoxin back at me. |
| 14:09 |
reactor |
I'm fine. |
| 14:09 |
Peacock |
btc's still trading around 800$ US |
| 14:09 |
thexyz |
dogecoin is spreading too fast |
| 14:10 |
Peacock |
i wonder what the rapid proliferation of altcoin is going to do to the value |
| 14:10 |
thexyz |
TIME TO MINE |
| 14:10 |
reactor |
Are those coins using useful computations, at last? |
| 14:10 |
reactor |
Or still like Bitcoin bullshit? |
| 14:11 |
Peacock |
what like SETI home? |
| 14:11 |
thexyz |
what useful computations? |
| 14:11 |
reactor |
Protein folding? |
| 14:11 |
reactor |
Etc? |
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thexyz |
can any useful computation be used as proof-of-work? |
| 14:11 |
reactor |
You're wasting electricity and processing power mining for that bullshit. |
| 14:12 |
reactor |
Not producing anything. |
| 14:12 |
thexyz |
you do |
| 14:12 |
thexyz |
you secure transactions |
| 14:12 |
thexyz |
if you fail to understand the importance of it then you don't understand how bitcoin works |
| 14:12 |
reactor |
But you don't produce any material good. |
| 14:13 |
blubblubb |
you facilitate transactions |
| 14:13 |
thexyz |
what is "material good"? |
| 14:13 |
reactor |
When you print money, you have to mine for gold. |
| 14:13 |
Peacock |
i wouldn't waste time mining btc myself, cost outweights value now, but if they crashed, i might buy a small amount for shits and giggles |
| 14:13 |
reactor |
(not necessarily, though) |
| 14:13 |
reactor |
Gold is material. |
| 14:14 |
Peacock |
reactor gold standards' been out since ww2 |
| 14:14 |
reactor |
I understand. |
| 14:14 |
Peacock |
or nixon depending where |
| 14:16 |
reactor |
Uh. I have an idea. |
| 14:16 |
reactor |
If... governements can freely issue money now, why can't they take the liberty of issuing bitcoin, instead of letting people waste electricity then? |
| 14:17 |
reactor |
Why not let some authority issue them, like usual money? |
| 14:17 |
thexyz |
lol |
| 14:17 |
thexyz |
please stop trolling and go read something about bitcoins |
| 14:17 |
reactor |
If those computations were of any sense, I wouldn't mind. But that's just bloody hashes of hashes, not meaning anything! |
| 14:17 |
reactor |
I'm not trolling. It's a waste. |
| 14:18 |
reactor |
It may be a good currency, but the way it's ussued is bullshit. |
| 14:18 |
thexyz |
if you aren't then you don't understand how it works |
| 14:18 |
thexyz |
and should go and read some article on it anyway |
| 14:18 |
thexyz |
and then you probably will understand why your point is invalid |
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Peacock |
you dont issue bitcoins you mine em, the gov't would practically have to start over, after destroying the current stock |
| 14:20 |
Peacock |
though theres nothing stopping gov'ts from using all their computer resources to mine them |
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Peacock |
some sneaky bastards already use botnets or sneak miners into innocuous apps |
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VargaD_ |
gold isn't more useful on it's own than a bitcoin |
| 14:24 |
Peacock |
not true either, more entities will accept gold in exchange for goods |
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VargaD |
that may change in the future |
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hoodedice |
sup peeps |
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GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Fix MSVC compiling issue c9ac9992c7 2013-12-15T16:13:08-08:00 http://git.io/igv8AA |
| 14:32 |
Peacock |
VargaD doubtful, solar flares, nuclear war, EMP, anything that takes down large swathes of the network, and digital currencies are gone, but gold remains. sure more places will accept digital coins in the future, but i doubt ittl ever surpass gold |
| 14:33 |
Peacock |
you can't physically take btc's with you, and in a world where pedos and hackers are denied computer access, you need currency you can access |
| 14:34 |
sfan5 |
>hackers denied computer access |
| 14:34 |
sfan5 |
wat |
| 14:34 |
VargaD |
then weapons are the best currency, you can always use/trade it to anything |
| 14:34 |
sfan5 |
you mean the shopkeeper magically knows you're a hacker and doesn't sell you one |
| 14:36 |
Hirato |
Big Hacker is tracing oyu |
| 14:36 |
sfan5 |
with a visual basic GUI i suppose |
| 14:38 |
Hirato |
wyh noy |
| 14:38 |
Peacock |
well they don't get to use home computers at the very least, try doing all your btc stuff in a cafe |
| 14:39 |
Peacock |
though hackers and pedos are just two examples, im pretty sure in future they'll find more reasons to deny certain types (pirates) computer access as well |
| 14:40 |
sfan5 |
Peacock: how the f**k should your local startbucks know that your are a hacker and deny you wifi access |
| 14:40 |
specing |
Anyone else feels like the forum search is completely useless? |
| 14:40 |
Hirato |
chip implants under the skin |
| 14:40 |
Hirato |
these will of course be required for citizenship |
| 14:41 |
Hirato |
detecting any lifeforms witohut said chip is cause for immediate liquidation |
| 14:42 |
Peacock |
i didn't say they'd deny access at starbucks, but public terminals are usually pretty locked down |
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Peacock |
though who knows, in the future we may have to get internet surfing licenses like we do driver's licenses (the same way our grandparents *didn't* need drivers licenses in their time) |
| 14:44 |
thexyz |
f**k <3 |
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thexyz |
w*y d* y*u t**e l**e t**s |
| 14:44 |
iqualfragile |
thexyz: you love to fuck? |
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thexyz |
wow you sure know how to begin a conversation |
| 14:45 |
iqualfragile |
:D |
| 14:46 |
iqualfragile |
;) |
| 14:46 |
Peacock |
why do you t**e l**e this - can i buy a vowel? |
| 14:46 |
Hirato |
why didn't you stop them, thexyz |
| 14:46 |
thexyz |
who? |
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Peacock |
well, i dont mind the free heating, but the air gets so dry in here :( |
| 14:58 |
specing |
Peacock: they already have that in china |
| 14:58 |
Exio4 |
what temp? |
| 14:58 |
Peacock |
24c, windows been open for about an hour now lol |
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thexyz |
lol |
| 15:01 |
thexyz |
now I made it so that if adblock is detected the font is changed to comic sans ms |
| 15:01 |
thexyz |
on my lil webpage |
| 15:01 |
Peacock |
you could always just block adblock enabled browsers like some websites do with cookies |
| 15:01 |
thexyz |
no, this is against my ad provider policy |
| 15:02 |
Peacock |
you cant block adblock, that sucks |
| 15:02 |
thexyz |
and this way I'll have so much fun reading bugreports |
| 15:02 |
thexyz |
yeah |
| 15:02 |
thexyz |
a bit |
| 15:02 |
Exio4 |
i haz adblock cuz half of the ADs are fucking annoying |
| 15:02 |
Peacock |
i dont suppose blocking it for any other reason would make a difference |
| 15:03 |
Exio4 |
but there isn't a real "annoying ads blocker" |
| 15:03 |
Peacock |
could do the opposite, design key parts of the site to be blocked by adblock lol |
| 15:03 |
thexyz |
adblock is evil and kills the internet and you know it |
| 15:03 |
thexyz |
Peacock: that's what nyatorrents did |
| 15:03 |
thexyz |
the button to download torrent file was blocked |
| 15:03 |
Peacock |
haha, if it works |
| 15:04 |
reactor |
20:22 < reactor> Why don't you tell me what I am missing, so I don't have to guess? |
| 15:04 |
reactor |
20:22 < reactor> I'm pretty sure I've seen the Wikipedia article some time ago. |
| 15:04 |
thexyz |
but then adblock has a filter to reverse-block this |
| 15:04 |
reactor |
thexyz: ^ |
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VargaD |
they protect us againt chipping: http://www.angels-heaven.org/english/default_0c_en.htm |
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thexyz |
reactor: what exactly? you can't use anything useful as proof-of-work if that's what you want to ask |
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thexyz |
reactor: but if you find a way I'm sure you can create a new currency and earn a lot of money |
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Peacock |
so you're only choice is to pay adblock? sounds like a protection racket |
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Peacock |
*your |
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thexyz |
proof-of-work should be easily verifiable and not reusable |
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thexyz |
reactor: ^ |
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thexyz |
Peacock: yes, that's true |
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thexyz |
that's why I'm saying it kills the internet |
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Peacock |
i wonder if TPB pays adblock, their popups always appear |
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Peacock |
well to be fair, ad prices went way down after the dotcom burst, adblock came along after that |
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Peacock |
besides advertising isn't worth shit if no one's buying |
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thexyz |
adsense still delivers |
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thexyz |
indeed |
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specing |
the internet should be purged of ads, period |
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thexyz |
another person who don't understand how things work |
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thexyz |
oh well |
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Peacock |
well without ads, so many free software sites would have to rely on donations alone, but since alot of those people think everything should be free (inc. hosting), i wouldn't count on that working out either |
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Exio4 |
annoying ads are the ones that should die |
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thexyz |
oh wow that's happening already |
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thexyz |
lol |
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I would need about 85071442444659062456468216540107 ATtiny13's (at 20MHz) to crack an xtea encrypted block by brute force |
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Taoki |
Is minetest.get_node a slow function? Does it hurt server CPU if it's used frequently? |
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Taoki |
**an expensive function rather |
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Peacock |
meh, WE got by using it thousands of times in one go |
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Peacock |
so depends how much :P |
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Taoki |
Ok. I might add a loop that uses it 6 times per 0.5 second |
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thexyz |
Taoki: if you need to get many nodes better use voxelmanip |
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Peacock |
^ depends what youre doing with the nodes |
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thexyz |
if they're inside a parallelepiped |
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Taoki |
I need to determine if a water source touches other water sources |
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Taoki |
get_nodes_in_radius with 1 sadly gets diagonals as well, and doesn't work |
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Peacock |
that could work with vmanip |
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Taoki |
ok |
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thexyz |
but will there be a performance increase? |
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thexyz |
better benchmark it |
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Taoki |
BBL |
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thexyz |
6 times isn't much btw |
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thexyz |
just use your usual get_node |
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Taoki |
ok, sounds good to me too |
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Peacock |
you cant do things like access metas with vmanip though, not sure about changing node properties like param1/param2 either |
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thexyz |
or at least I hope it's not much |
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sfan5 |
netsplit! |
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iqualfragile |
yay! |
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Peacock |
no sprinkles :( |
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Peacock |
gotta love google/youtube translate : "WHERE TO YOUR NOSE CHOSETE ........ YOU ARE ON YOUR KAVATZES interested " |
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http://www.loadingartist.com/2013/12/16/my-best-friend/ |
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Jordach |
\o/ netsplit |
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Jordach |
ohai |
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* Jordach |
pokes sfan5 |
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* sfan5 |
throws a kitten at Jordach |
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Jordach |
enjoying my mass progress :P |
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sfan5 |
yes |
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Jordach |
wow |
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Jordach |
playing my creative world space map and we found 2 nyan cats |
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reactor |
Same problem here. |
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reactor |
They keep spawning even if you use "singlenode" as worldgen. |
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reactor |
I encountered that a lot when porting Pripyat. |
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korr_ |
lol keeps getting better and better: Bogus Mandela interpreter Thamsanqa Jantjie involved in ‘necklacing’ ‘mob justice’ killing of two men burned to death, friends say |
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reactor |
Speaking of which. Is there no one else I could pass the map on to? |
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iqualfragile |
netsplitparty |
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thexyz |
wait for chanserv to netsplit then we can have a real party |
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iqualfragile |
or nickserv |
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iqualfragile |
its fun when nickserv netsplits |
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iqualfragile |
happens sometimes at euirc |
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MegafAtWork |
Hi everyone |
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MegafAtWork |
VanessaE: ping |
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thexyz |
yes all those hacks to make irc work somehow |
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MegafAtWork |
IRCs works nice |
| 17:00 |
thexyz |
yes no |
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thexyz |
it works but definitely not nice |
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thexyz |
the protocol is missing some basic features like auth |
| 17:02 |
thexyz |
and every server has its own implementation, nickserv being the most common (no proof, may be false) |
| 17:02 |
thexyz |
which still differ |
| 17:03 |
thexyz |
also you can't have a single account to access all networks |
| 17:03 |
thexyz |
well, that's basic stuff which I was whining about already |
| 17:03 |
MegafAtWork |
not the protocol fault |
| 17:04 |
MegafAtWork |
and not a fault at all |
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MegafAtWork |
it's a feature |
| 17:04 |
MegafAtWork |
it gives you all freedom do implement things just like you want |
| 17:04 |
MegafAtWork |
the protocol is grat for chating, sending simple messages to people |
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MegafAtWork |
and all networks are not linked togueter |
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thexyz |
lol |
| 17:05 |
thexyz |
sure, feature |
| 17:05 |
thexyz |
they don't have to be linked |
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thexyz |
see xmpp |
| 17:05 |
thexyz |
MegafAtWork: how can i implement newlines? |
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thexyz |
i really miss them |
| 17:05 |
thexyz |
every time I paste a log this bot kicks me |
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thexyz |
because irc cannot newlines |
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MegafAtWork |
http://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/WindowsLiveWriter/not%20a%20bug-a%20feature.jpg |
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thexyz |
well that's definitely not a bug, just a protocol limitation |
| 17:06 |
thexyz |
but calling it a feature is stupid, I think |
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MegafAtWork |
That was a joke |
| 17:08 |
thexyz |
it's sometimes hard to distinguish a joke from fanatism |
| 17:08 |
thexyz |
especially since you can say stupid things and then tell me it all was a joke |
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thexyz |
that's unfair ;( |
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MegafAtWork |
sfan5: Really, thanks for your time in making that patch, But I can't use it =/ |
| 17:08 |
iqualfragile |
patch? |
| 17:09 |
MegafAtWork |
iqualfragile: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018 |
| 17:09 |
iqualfragile |
keh |
| 17:10 |
sfan5 |
MegafAtWork: program output? |
| 17:11 |
MegafAtWork |
I posted here > https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122220#p122220 |
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Jordach |
thexyz, would you really like a non-free network that you must pay for |
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Jordach |
eg, just one network that YOU and OTHERS can only access |
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iqualfragile |
Jordach: wtf? |
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sfan5 |
MegafAtWork: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122222#p122222 |
| 17:14 |
Jordach |
[17:03:24] <thexyz> well, that's basic stuff which I was whining about already |
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specing |
Is there a command that will list all the mods used by the server? |
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MegafAtWork |
specing, yes, /mods |
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MegafAtWork |
Ok, compiling |
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thexyz |
Jordach: no, why would I? |
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specing |
Is there a way to send /mods output to stdout? |
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specing |
I only see it in game |
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Jordach |
\o/ Love2D 0.9.0 installs thingy |
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Jordach |
luaJIT* |
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MegafAtWork |
well, I give up, I'm jus gonna wait for a working build... |
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korr_ |
ugh, must brave the cold to get wife's cold meds, think i'll make a tiny detour to the off-license (for the vitamins...) ;) |
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korr_ |
wtf, i think i gots netsplitted :( |
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MegafAtWork |
sfan5: So, how is that happening? I mean, Why is it failing to "talk" to servers.minetest.net? |
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sfan5 |
MegafAtWork: dunno |
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Jordach |
sfan5, ported from 0.8.0 to 0.9.0 http://i.imgur.com/mt90qEe.png |
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rubenwardy |
Hi all! |
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rubenwardy |
lol |
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* Jordach |
is building minetest in 2d with love2d |
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sfan5 |
Jordach: nice |
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Jordach |
sfan5, the map scrolls |
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sfan5 |
MegafAtWork: what does it say with the patch applied? |
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rubenwardy |
a LUA game engine :O |
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thexyz |
better use live2d <3 |
| 17:42 |
zash |
rubenwardy: careful, the #lua people will hunt you down |
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rubenwardy |
Lua is good for scripting, but for coding a game????? |
| 17:43 |
thexyz |
why not? |
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thexyz |
see, we're already moving everything from minetest core into lua |
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zash |
thexyz: \o/ |
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iqualfragile |
lua cant even multithread |
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AndrewPH |
YOU can't even multithread |
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AndrewPH |
>:c |
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zash |
threads are evil |
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zash |
There's coroutines tho |
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Hirato_ |
Lua can multithread, it just needs support in the engine for it |
| 17:45 |
Hirato_ |
and well.... giant can of worms |
| 17:45 |
Jordach |
:> https://www.love2d.org/wiki/love.thread |
| 17:45 |
Jordach |
suck it rubenwardy |
| 17:45 |
zash |
There's also LuaLanes |
| 17:45 |
Jordach |
-rubenwardy + iqualfragile |
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rubenwardy |
huh? |
| 17:46 |
rubenwardy |
Lua is good, just not for programming |
| 17:46 |
rubenwardy |
for scripting |
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rubenwardy |
(fine difference) |
| 17:46 |
Jordach |
bullshit |
| 17:46 |
Jordach |
BULLSHIT. |
| 17:46 |
zash |
Lua works great. |
| 17:46 |
rubenwardy |
Worse than Java for coding |
| 17:46 |
Jordach |
my 10000 block area generates in an INSTANT |
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* Jordach |
plans on ramping it to 50000 |
| 17:47 |
rubenwardy |
Its 2d |
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Jordach |
rubenwardy, still faster than minetest's routines |
| 17:47 |
Jordach |
and we have LuaJIT |
| 17:47 |
rubenwardy |
ITS 2D |
| 17:47 |
Jordach |
it's no different to me using PYGAME. |
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Jordach |
rubenwardy, and |
| 17:47 |
rubenwardy |
And it does not appear to use noise |
| 17:47 |
rubenwardy |
Just random |
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Jordach |
rubenwardy, will be fixing that soon |
| 17:48 |
rubenwardy |
yeah yeah |
| 17:48 |
Jordach |
i'm using the identical engine to what i used in my Landgen 10.1 |
| 17:48 |
Jordach |
and it fits within 200 lines of code |
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Jordach |
(smaller than my scratch project infact) |
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rubenwardy |
I like Lua, i just would never use it to program anything other than mods, content or small stuff |
| 17:49 |
rubenwardy |
Anyway, it is not my choice :P |
| 17:49 |
zash |
I like Lua, I use it for a almost pure Lua network server. :P |
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Jordach |
rubenwardy, eventually - i will be using LuaSocket for a server instance :P |
| 17:55 |
thexyz |
how do you like your GIL in your Lua? |
| 17:56 |
rubenwardy |
? |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
<rubenwardy> Lua is good, just not for programming |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
<rubenwardy> for scripting |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
<rubenwardy> (fine difference) |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
it is a programming language |
| 17:56 |
thexyz |
global interpreter lock |
| 17:56 |
thexyz |
or does love2d do it right? |
| 17:56 |
Calinou |
you can't really differentiate scripting from programming: even Bash is a programming language! ;) |
| 17:57 |
rubenwardy |
It is a scripting |
| 17:57 |
Jordach |
wat, my tile scrolling works smooth as FUCKING butter with going left, but jitters when going right |
| 17:57 |
rubenwardy |
language |
| 17:57 |
Calinou |
but you can call it a scripting language too. |
| 17:57 |
rubenwardy |
What is the oposite of scripting? |
| 17:57 |
rubenwardy |
opposite |
| 17:57 |
Calinou |
and if you do that, you should be able to call C a scripting language... |
| 17:57 |
Peacock |
jordach, why would you fuck butter? |
| 17:57 |
Jordach |
dammit Peacock |
| 17:57 |
Krock |
pressing backspace, rubenwardy ;) |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
hi PilzAdam |
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Krock |
hey pilzagam |
| 17:58 |
Krock |
damn typos |
| 17:58 |
Calinou |
use tab completion |
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rubenwardy |
Is c++ written for a special run-time environment that can interpret rather than compile? |
| 17:58 |
MegafAtWork |
Hello PilzAdam |
| 17:58 |
MegafAtWork |
PilzAdam: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018 |
| 17:58 |
PilzAdam |
rubenwardy, yes |
| 17:58 |
MegafAtWork |
we need a fix |
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thexyz |
rubenwardy: why? |
| 17:59 |
rubenwardy |
Is c++ written for a special run-time environment that can interpret rather than compile? |
| 17:59 |
thexyz |
!rainbow Is c++ written for a special run-time environment that can interpret rather than compile? |
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MinetestBot |
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PilzAdam |
rubenwardy, yes |
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thexyz |
I don't understand this question, sorry |
| 17:59 |
rubenwardy |
Is c++ 2written for a special run-time environment that can interpret rather than compile? |
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Hirato_ |
only via LLVM, lol |
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zash |
Lua is compiled to bytecode.... |
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MegafAtWork |
!rainbow 1234567 |
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MinetestBot |
4​1​29​35​47​54​6​7 |
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Krock |
lol |
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PilzAdam |
rubenwardy, yes |
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reactor |
MinetestBot: you're malfunctioning. |
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MegafAtWork |
!rainbow 01234567 |
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MinetestBot |
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Krock |
!rainbow malfunctioning |
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MinetestBot |
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Hirato_ |
~rainbow this rainbow doesn't look like a rainbow at all :/ |
| 18:00 |
Hirato_ |
!rainbow this rainbow doesn't look like a rainbow at all :/ |
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MinetestBot |
6thi9s5 9rai9nb2o8w do4e3s3n7't 7l5ook 7l7ike3 a7 7rai6nbo4w9 a3t all5 :/ |
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MegafAtWork |
!rainbow 01234567 |
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MinetestBot |
3​06​15​26​3​4​5​6​7 |
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MegafAtWork |
!rainbow 01234567 |
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MinetestBot |
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MegafAtWork |
I see what you did there |
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Krock |
!rainbow ​​​test​​​ |
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MinetestBot |
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Hirato_ |
!rainbow botspam |
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MinetestBot |
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MegafAtWork |
!rainbow That's a random not true rainbow |
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MinetestBot |
T6h3a6t3's 5a3 2rand5o3m6 6n4ot t8r2u5e5 r5ai4n9b7o5w |
| 18:01 |
specing |
ANy way to save /mods output to stdout? |
| 18:02 |
MegafAtWork |
specing: why would you want that? |
| 18:02 |
PilzAdam |
MegafAtWork, have you tried sfan5's suggestion? |
| 18:03 |
MegafAtWork |
First, that's not a fix, it's a work around |
| 18:03 |
MegafAtWork |
Second, yes, I did, and I just can't patch it |
| 18:03 |
MegafAtWork |
if I do it by hand I get an error |
| 18:03 |
PilzAdam |
I guess you should tell sfan5 about it |
| 18:04 |
sfan5 |
MegafAtWork: which error? |
| 18:04 |
MegafAtWork |
http://paste.debian.net/71218/ |
| 18:04 |
specing |
MegafAtWork: so I can get a checklist of mods to install on my own server |
| 18:05 |
MegafAtWork |
specing: you could get it from the mods folder |
| 18:05 |
iqualfragile |
Jordach: useless without shared data |
| 18:05 |
sfan5 |
oh.. right curl was removed |
| 18:05 |
sfan5 |
umm |
| 18:05 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 18:05 |
MegafAtWork |
specing: I put mods in minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/ |
| 18:05 |
iqualfragile |
MegafAtWork: are you crazy? |
| 18:05 |
iqualfragile |
or optionaly stupid? |
| 18:05 |
MegafAtWork |
iqualfragile: Actually, yes, why? |
| 18:06 |
iqualfragile |
mods belon in minetest/mods |
| 18:06 |
MegafAtWork |
Just crazy |
| 18:06 |
MegafAtWork |
so what? |
| 18:06 |
MegafAtWork |
What's the difference? |
| 18:06 |
MegafAtWork |
If I put a mod therem it's because I tested it already, and I like it |
| 18:06 |
MegafAtWork |
s/therem/there |
| 18:07 |
sfan5 |
MegafAtWork: remove the plus at the start of the line |
| 18:07 |
MegafAtWork |
compiling it again |
| 18:08 |
thexyz |
managed to craft a mese pick on android |
| 18:08 |
specing |
MegafAtWork: I don't have access to the mods folder on that server |
| 18:09 |
thexyz |
and there goes the bug with different item icons in inventory |
| 18:10 |
MegafAtWork |
sfan5: it compiled |
| 18:10 |
MegafAtWork |
will it blend? |
| 18:10 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 18:10 |
MegafAtWork |
That is the question |
| 18:11 |
specing |
So ... Is there a way to have /mods output printed to stdout? |
| 18:12 |
MegafAtWork |
sfan5: PilzAdam: still not showing up, http://servers.minetest.net/ |
| 18:12 |
sfan5 |
MegafAtWork: output? |
| 18:12 |
MegafAtWork |
its name should be TESTING - Megaf Till It Ends |
| 18:13 |
MegafAtWork |
sfan5: http://paste.debian.net/71219/ |
| 18:13 |
sfan5 |
MegafAtWork: I can't help you then |
| 18:13 |
sfan5 |
all the server returned was '{}' |
| 18:13 |
sfan5 |
which means it announced correctly |
| 18:13 |
MegafAtWork |
well, I'm not the only one with this issue |
| 18:13 |
sfan5 |
you should probably tell thexyz that it doesn't work |
| 18:14 |
MegafAtWork |
thexyz: It does not work |
| 18:14 |
MegafAtWork |
=) |
| 18:14 |
MegafAtWork |
And now things got really messy |
| 18:14 |
MegafAtWork |
http://servers.minetest.net/ |
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| 18:14 |
MegafAtWork |
only one server there |
| 18:14 |
chumchum |
got problem glitch: When i try to load world it says: ERROR[main]: Some exception: "Failed to create socket" and it says this onley whan i try to use minetest 0.4.8 |
| 18:15 |
thexyz |
I've just reset it |
| 18:16 |
MegafAtWork |
oh dear |
| 18:16 |
MegafAtWork |
you reset my maximum users online |
| 18:16 |
thexyz |
yes that too |
| 18:17 |
PilzAdam |
chumchum, do you use IPv6? |
| 18:19 |
chumchum |
you mean the world generator IP6 or my pc's IP address? |
| 18:20 |
MegafAtWork |
chumchum: IPv6, IP Version 6, IP Address :) |
| 18:21 |
PilzAdam |
chumchum, do you try to connect to any server with IPv6? |
| 18:22 |
chumchum |
No when i try to load the world from my pc i made it gives me: ERROR[main]: Some exception: "Failed to create socket" |
| 18:23 |
PilzAdam |
can you set enable_ipv6 and ipv6_server to false in minetest.conf |
| 18:26 |
thexyz |
chumchum: what's your OS? |
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chumchum |
vista |
| 18:29 |
LazyJ |
Howdy :) minetest.conf question - What is the purpose of server_dedicated = true/false? |
| 18:30 |
PilzAdam |
LazyJ, its send to the serverlist |
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LazyJ |
So "true" to send to server list? Or does it mean the computer that is running the Minetest server is or is not dedicated to the sole purpose of running Minetest? |
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| 18:34 |
LazyJ |
And this isn't listed in the minetest.conf.example either so for a while I thought is was deprecated. |
| 18:36 |
MegafAtWork |
specing: also, there is no way to control the server from console/terminal, you gave to be on the actual game |
| 18:36 |
MegafAtWork |
thats a huge missfeature for me |
| 18:37 |
MegafAtWork |
It would would be cool a really striped down version of minetest, with no GUI at all, just an input thing and a output log |
| 18:37 |
MegafAtWork |
so you could enter commands and talk to people online |
| 18:41 |
chumchum |
k any help? |
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specing |
MegafAtWork: It is clear to me that minetest authors have never played quake in their life :( |
| 18:44 |
MegafAtWork |
heh |
| 18:44 |
MegafAtWork |
LazyJ: Ping |
| 18:45 |
Peacock |
jesus every year they add more varieties of cold meds |
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| 18:46 |
MegafAtWork |
Peacock: However, only one actually works |
| 18:46 |
MegafAtWork |
Peacock: Time + Watter |
| 18:47 |
Peacock |
yeah the one that says "extra strong" lol |
| 18:47 |
Peacock |
ever had a wife with the cold? :P |
| 18:47 |
MegafAtWork |
Peacock: not a wife yet |
| 18:47 |
Peacock |
you are not a wife or you dont have one yet? |
| 18:47 |
MegafAtWork |
However I quite live with her |
| 18:47 |
MegafAtWork |
I have a girlfriend |
| 18:48 |
chumchum |
0.4.7 works but for some reason 0.4.8 doesn,t |
| 18:48 |
MegafAtWork |
Today she has some bad sun burns :P |
| 18:48 |
Peacock |
yeah i got that from "live with her" but the previous statement could have meant being or having :P |
| 18:48 |
MegafAtWork |
s/:P/=( |
| 18:49 |
MegafAtWork |
Peacock: so are you acutally married? |
| 18:50 |
kahrl |
specing: I played Digital Paint 2, does that count? |
| 18:50 |
kahrl |
also the original doom |
| 18:50 |
Peacock |
the state considers us married when you live together for a year, it's been 3 and spare change |
| 18:51 |
chumchum |
Lego minecraft products out now XD |
| 18:54 |
chumchum |
Why can't i load worlds on my pc using v0.4.8 but v0.4.7 works? |
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PilzAdam |
LazyJ, it means that you run a dedicated server, i.e. running mineteserver without the client |
| 18:57 |
LazyJ |
Ah, thanks for the clarification, PilzAdam. :) |
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| 19:01 |
chumchum |
minetest.conf very confusing |
| 19:01 |
Peacock |
it's part of the game, a puzzle if you will :P |
| 19:01 |
PilzAdam |
chumchum, not really |
| 19:02 |
chumchum |
can't find anything its all jumbled Oglethorpe on my pc |
| 19:02 |
chumchum |
woops |
| 19:03 |
chumchum |
no spaces between options |
| 19:04 |
Peacock |
what i find most confusing is how options are called enable_* and disable_* lol |
| 19:04 |
PilzAdam |
there is only one disable_* option |
| 19:04 |
PilzAdam |
(the discussion in -dev about naming settings was about that) |
| 19:04 |
Peacock |
disable anticheat or rollback? |
| 19:04 |
Peacock |
i forget which |
| 19:05 |
MegafAtWork |
PilzAdam: get op and do /mode #Minetest +b *!*@91.210.101.* |
| 19:05 |
MegafAtWork |
and |
| 19:05 |
MegafAtWork |
PilzAdam: get op and do /mode #Minetest +b *!*@91.210.100.* |
| 19:05 |
MegafAtWork |
[16:47] == soderm [~soderm91.210.101.109] has joined #minetest |
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MegafAtWork |
[16:55] == maxzhuk [~maxzhuk91.210.100.114] has joined #minetest |
| 19:05 |
Peacock |
i mean i understand that enable signifies its off by default and disable means it's on, but newbs might not get it as quickly |
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| 19:06 |
PilzAdam |
MegafAtWork, wat? |
| 19:06 |
thexyz |
MegafAtWork: why? |
| 19:06 |
MegafAtWork |
PilzAdam: those are bots |
| 19:07 |
MegafAtWork |
we are talking about that at #Freeenode |
| 19:07 |
thexyz |
they aren't doing anything |
| 19:07 |
MegafAtWork |
They are joing a lot of channels, including mine channels, http://paste.debian.net/71231/ |
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| 19:07 |
MegafAtWork |
thexyz: That's what they want you to think |
| 19:07 |
thexyz |
lol |
| 19:08 |
thexyz |
and what's the problem? |
| 19:08 |
thexyz |
if they aren't doing anything |
| 19:08 |
PilzAdam |
oh no! we have programms connecting to channels! freenode will break! |
| 19:08 |
MegafAtWork |
I believe there is someone studying the channels looking for holes |
| 19:08 |
MegafAtWork |
This happened before... |
| 19:09 |
MegafAtWork |
Trust me, I've been using this network for at least 7 years |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
holes? |
| 19:09 |
Jordach |
can i suggest enabling +R while freenode is under attack? |
| 19:09 |
MegafAtWork |
[17:09] -NickServ- Registered : Feb 12 16:53:46 2006 (7 years, 44 weeks, 1 day, 02:15:17 ago) |
| 19:09 |
PilzAdam |
let the ops of freenode kick them from the whole network if they are so threatening |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
well yes, that's freenode's problem |
| 19:09 |
PilzAdam |
isnt it kinda stupid to go into all channels and tell the ops to ban them? |
| 19:09 |
thexyz |
so let them deal with it |
| 19:10 |
Peacock |
freenode is being attacked? by whom, the Ottomans? |
| 19:10 |
Jordach |
well |
| 19:10 |
Jordach |
the ip ranges match 91.210.xx.xx |
| 19:10 |
MegafAtWork |
That's a channel operator problem too |
| 19:10 |
thexyz |
how? they don't do anything |
| 19:10 |
Jordach |
banning that explicit ip range should help |
| 19:10 |
MegafAtWork |
that's what a channel operator is for,,, |
| 19:10 |
PilzAdam |
MegafAtWork, thats what an IRC op is for |
| 19:10 |
PilzAdam |
isnt it kinda stupid to go into all channels and tell the ops to ban them? |
| 19:10 |
Peacock |
if freenode bans a range, it bans for every channel, so the ops dont need to worry about that |
| 19:11 |
thexyz |
meh stop saying stupid things :( |
| 19:11 |
thexyz |
this annoys me |
| 19:11 |
thexyz |
freenode staff is here |
| 19:11 |
thexyz |
and if they want us to ban bots then they can broadcast a message |
| 19:11 |
Jordach |
thexyz, then volunteer |
| 19:11 |
thexyz |
period. |
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| 19:11 |
thexyz |
Jordach: why? |
| 19:11 |
Jordach |
think about it |
| 19:11 |
Jordach |
you can then stop complaining like a bitch |
| 19:12 |
thexyz |
lol |
| 19:12 |
thexyz |
u r so funny man |
| 19:12 |
Peacock |
i tried volunteering for the Salvation Army once, they turned me down on the count of my flat feet :( |
| 19:12 |
thexyz |
where am I complaining? |
| 19:12 |
thexyz |
meh you got so irritating those days |
| 19:12 |
Peacock |
opfight |
| 19:12 |
thexyz |
I even was thinking about banning you for a week and then saying it was an error |
| 19:12 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 19:13 |
Peacock |
blame it on UK isp's, they're blocking all sorts of shit |
| 19:13 |
thexyz |
I'm not even an op of this channel because of such shitty members of the community |
| 19:13 |
Peacock |
lol i can understand that |
| 19:14 |
thexyz |
MegafAtWork: your server seems to appear at the list, is the problem gone? |
| 19:14 |
Peacock |
3 years of hardware comparisons and google is evil speeches can drive anyone nuts |
| 19:14 |
MegafAtWork |
Peacock: thexyz: You both really like a fight uh? |
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Jordach was kicked by thexyz: Kindergarten is elsewhere! |
| 19:14 |
MegafAtWork |
thexyz: Nope, that server is running a build from 12 December 2013 |
| 19:14 |
PilzAdam |
<thexyz> I'm not even an op of this channel |
| 19:14 |
Peacock |
Megaf: naw just intelligent debates :P |
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| 19:14 |
MegafAtWork |
I couldnt get the todays build to apper that |
| 19:14 |
Jordach |
i can still kill you from afar thexyz |
| 19:14 |
thexyz |
MegafAtWork: really? I see it on the server list right now |
| 19:15 |
thexyz |
Jordach: no you can't |
| 19:15 |
Jordach |
/msg ChanServ BAN #minetest thexyz |
| 19:15 |
thexyz |
you won't do this |
| 19:15 |
MegafAtWork |
thexyz: let me get a clean code from master right now |
| 19:15 |
PilzAdam |
isnt there an exception for ops? |
| 19:15 |
MegafAtWork |
Jordach: can you please let thexyz help me? |
| 19:15 |
Jordach |
MegafAtWork, sure |
| 19:16 |
MegafAtWork |
Thanks |
| 19:16 |
MegafAtWork |
thexyz: so, I'm downloading the latest source right now |
| 19:16 |
thexyz |
it works right now |
| 19:16 |
MegafAtWork |
then I will do the sfan5's patch |
| 19:16 |
thexyz |
http://servers.minetest.net/ |
| 19:17 |
thexyz |
also that guest*** invasion is totally unnice |
| 19:17 |
MegafAtWork |
thexyz: that's a build from 4 days ago |
| 19:17 |
thexyz |
everyone with android device should report buildcraft and other 2 games |
| 19:18 |
MegafAtWork |
thexyz: Ok, pay attention. The that is not working is from today, The Megaf Till It Ends you see there is a build from 4 days ago, that "old" build works |
| 19:18 |
Jordach |
thexyz, i complained a while back, and you told me off for shitposting |
| 19:18 |
Jordach |
despite I WAS RIGHT. |
| 19:18 |
MegafAtWork |
s/The that/ The buid |
| 19:18 |
thexyz |
because you weren't complaining but shitposting |
| 19:18 |
thexyz |
and still don't understand it. |
| 19:19 |
Jordach |
thexyz, i was pointing it out |
| 19:19 |
thexyz |
MegafAtWork: oh, so the error only happens with the latest build? |
| 19:19 |
thexyz |
of the server |
| 19:20 |
MegafAtWork |
thexyz: I noticed it today |
| 19:20 |
MegafAtWork |
a 4 days old code works |
| 19:21 |
Peacock |
i wouldn't eat it after 5 days though |
| 19:21 |
MegafAtWork |
All LazyJ's LinuxGaming.us servers and VanessaE's servers are gone from the list thexyz |
| 19:21 |
MegafAtWork |
because they updated today |
| 19:22 |
MegafAtWork |
LazyJ: told me hi tried the sfan5 patch but did not work either |
| 19:24 |
LazyJ |
I haven't tried sfan5's patch. |
| 19:24 |
MegafAtWork |
No? |
| 19:25 |
MegafAtWork |
[17:17] <LazyJ> I haven't tried sfan5's patch. |
| 19:25 |
MegafAtWork |
sorry, my fault |
| 19:25 |
sfan5 |
MegafAtWork: my patch works around curl problems |
| 19:25 |
sfan5 |
since we don't have curl anymore.. |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: I can't detect buildcraft can I? |
| 19:26 |
thexyz |
dunno |
| 19:26 |
Jordach |
sfan5, 0.4.7 doesn't work with 0.4.8 |
| 19:26 |
Jordach |
that's how you know :P |
| 19:26 |
thexyz |
probably not |
| 19:26 |
thexyz |
check its protocol version and block all clients |
| 19:26 |
thexyz |
that have it |
| 19:26 |
Peacock |
youd prolly need some sort of get_versionstring thingy in the API |
| 19:27 |
thexyz |
(ask them to update) |
| 19:27 |
thexyz |
sfan5: why do you want to do that? |
| 19:27 |
sfan5 |
I want to know how many of these guest clients on my server are buildcraft |
| 19:27 |
MegafAtWork |
PilzAdam: thexyz sfan5 some stuff changed, like, there is not dedicated_server = boolean option anymore, minetestserver just cant create worlds anymore, servers.minetest.net is not working with latest builds |
| 19:27 |
Peacock |
or maybe player:get_os()? |
| 19:27 |
thexyz |
uh duh |
| 19:28 |
thexyz |
sfan5: everyone with guest*** nickname |
| 19:28 |
sfan5 |
because this http://pastie.org/private/97ejpqiuxfky74qvpzp5q |
| 19:28 |
sfan5 |
(look at the cpu usage column) |
| 19:28 |
thexyz |
no, I don't think there's a way to do that |
| 19:28 |
LazyJ |
No curl? So when compiling I don't need to add -DENABLE_CURL = 1? |
| 19:28 |
thexyz |
well? it just proves minetest server is not the best piece of software made |
| 19:29 |
sfan5 |
LazyJ: there is still curl |
| 19:29 |
sfan5 |
but httpfetch it a wrapper(?) for it |
| 19:30 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: do you think prollers optimisations (that are in freeminer) would help? |
| 19:31 |
Peacock |
could try |
| 19:31 |
MegafAtWork |
LazyJ: we could try freeminer |
| 19:32 |
MegafAtWork |
well, I have no time for that |
| 19:32 |
MegafAtWork |
I still have to solve some personal real life bugs and get back to work on my own OS |
| 19:32 |
Peacock |
girlfriend segfaulted? |
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| 19:33 |
MegafAtWork |
Peacock: about to be, some trouble in her work place |
| 19:33 |
MegafAtWork |
gotta go and get her |
| 19:34 |
MegafAtWork |
cya all |
| 19:34 |
Peacock |
coworkers are always alot more pleasant when they don't exist |
| 19:34 |
thexyz |
sfan5: they indeed help but the problem is on higher level |
| 19:34 |
MegafAtWork |
indeed |
| 19:34 |
thexyz |
and this will take longer to fix |
| 19:37 |
thexyz |
but you can help it |
| 19:42 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: I assume you mean running using valgrind and finding bottlenecks |
| 19:52 |
thexyz |
sfan5: no, just rewrite the whole stuff to use threads |
| 19:52 |
thexyz |
no need to find bottlenecks |
| 19:52 |
thexyz |
it's clear what's wrong |
| 19:52 |
sfan5 |
I'll still use callgrind anyway |
| 19:52 |
Jordach |
threads are bs thexyz |
| 19:53 |
Jordach |
because ARM, x86 |
| 19:53 |
thexyz |
sfan5: well maybe |
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thexyz |
sfan5: just look at ServerThread::Thread |
| 19:53 |
thexyz |
and then Server::AsyncRunStep |
| 19:53 |
thexyz |
Jordach: wat |
| 19:54 |
thexyz |
sfan5: and then, well, you'll also have to somehow deal with envlock |
| 19:54 |
thexyz |
separate it into maplock and friends |
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| 19:56 |
Jordach |
thexyz, some people still have shitty hardware |
| 19:56 |
Jordach |
how about stop pushing latest EVERYTHING |
| 19:56 |
thexyz |
and? |
| 19:56 |
thexyz |
wat |
| 19:56 |
thexyz |
sorry, I can't understand you |
| 19:56 |
thexyz |
how are threads related to that? |
| 19:56 |
Jordach |
because people still have pentium 4s |
| 19:56 |
thexyz |
and? |
| 19:57 |
thexyz |
sorry, but you have no idea on what you're speaking about |
| 19:57 |
Jordach |
i'm speaking in human readable engrish, you aren't |
| 19:58 |
* Calinou |
buys Jordach a pentium 5 |
| 19:58 |
Jordach |
ha |
| 19:58 |
Jordach |
unfortunately, you'd have to buy me a new machine l;) |
| 19:58 |
Jordach |
-l |
| 19:58 |
Calinou |
<Jordach> how about stop pushing latest EVERYTHING |
| 19:58 |
thexyz |
Jordach: so what was your point? |
| 19:58 |
Calinou |
it usually doesn't slow down stuff |
| 19:58 |
thexyz |
or maybe you're so stupid you don't actually understand what you're talking about |
| 19:59 |
Jordach |
Calinou, people still use pentium 4 machines because they're cheap as chips |
| 19:59 |
Calinou |
I don't remember the last non-optional feature that slowed things down... |
| 19:59 |
Jordach |
i can get one for 40 eurps |
| 19:59 |
thexyz |
and it's common to shit on one's grammar when you have nothing better to say, yeah |
| 19:59 |
Peacock |
pentium 4 processor is about all that's left working in my old p4 box lol |
| 19:59 |
Peacock |
though it was making funny noises this morning watching the Sopranos |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
Jordach, you can get a Celeron G1610 for 40 euros |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
or a Pentium G3220 for 60-65 euros |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
but that's the CPU only... |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
and I've seen used pentium 4 PCs for 40 euros :P |
| 20:00 |
Jordach |
Calinou, that's exactly what i mean, except mine happens to be the rare hyperthreaded one with the NX_BIT :p |
| 20:00 |
Peacock |
my p4 does that hyperthread bullshit |
| 20:00 |
Calinou |
still single core |
| 20:00 |
Peacock |
you must have had fun installing linux on that |
| 20:00 |
Jordach |
Calinou, e64MT too :P |
| 20:01 |
Calinou |
my atom is HT, but single core = slow |
| 20:01 |
Calinou |
me too |
| 20:01 |
Peacock |
atom n550 or 440? |
| 20:01 |
Calinou |
n455 |
| 20:01 |
Peacock |
lemme check |
| 20:01 |
Calinou |
Peacock, HT has no problem on linux here? |
| 20:01 |
thexyz |
Jordach: so do you have anything constructive to add? |
| 20:01 |
Jordach |
hyperthreads work for me too; htop reports 2 cpus |
| 20:01 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: would it improve things to run every part in asyncRunStep in curly braces in a thread |
| 20:01 |
thexyz |
or shall I explain why you are wrong? |
| 20:02 |
thexyz |
sfan5: well I don't think it's that easy |
| 20:02 |
Peacock |
same here |
| 20:02 |
thexyz |
you should look at what this stuff locks |
| 20:02 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: I did |
| 20:02 |
thexyz |
not locks but actually uses |
| 20:02 |
Peacock |
well maybe not HT, but the p4 gives me all sorts of weird messages/errors booting up |
| 20:02 |
thexyz |
but yeah, basically this |
| 20:02 |
sfan5 |
I want to know if I could improve things without that much works |
| 20:02 |
sfan5 |
-s |
| 20:03 |
thexyz |
sfan5: you can start by splitting AsyncRunStep and Receive |
| 20:03 |
thexyz |
I think |
| 20:03 |
thexyz |
but then you'll have to change the lock anyway |
| 20:04 |
thexyz |
(also better ask hmmmmm) |
| 20:06 |
thexyz |
oh he left |
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PilzAdam |
oh he joined |
| 20:06 |
Jordach |
don't you just fucking hate closing the wrong window |
| 20:06 |
thexyz |
Jordach: stop ignoring me |
| 20:07 |
Jordach |
thexyz, nobody gives a shit about ones opinion on the internet, esp. from a 4channer |
| 20:07 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, its not about his opinion |
| 20:07 |
thexyz |
sfan5: but I'm afraid you'll have to rewrite hundreds of lines of code just to split asyncrunstep and receive |
| 20:07 |
thexyz |
because everything just uses envlock, and everything is designed with envlock in mind |
| 20:08 |
sfan5 |
who thought that would be a good idea? |
| 20:09 |
thexyz |
Jordach: so do you have anything constructive to add? regarding your bullshit about multithreading? |
| 20:10 |
Jordach |
thexyz, threading is only good if people have the ability |
| 20:10 |
thexyz |
sfan5: how else would we do it? |
| 20:10 |
thexyz |
Jordach: no, this is wrong |
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Jordach |
thexyz, one thread cpus cannot have more than one thread |
| 20:11 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: why lock the whole env when only m_clients are accessed |
| 20:11 |
thexyz |
Jordach: no, this is wrong too |
| 20:12 |
thexyz |
you basically said that we can't launch multiple apps on a single core |
| 20:12 |
thexyz |
sfan5: well, that's true but there's more stuff, like map and entities |
| 20:13 |
thexyz |
just processing clients usually is fast, isn't it? |
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sfan5 |
wow.. L1 cache misses about ~ 95 % |
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| 20:16 |
Megaf |
Hi there |
| 20:16 |
sfan5 |
hi |
| 20:17 |
Megaf |
Peacock, I save my girl |
| 20:17 |
Megaf |
saved* |
| 20:17 |
Peacock |
made backups? |
| 20:17 |
Megaf |
not quite |
| 20:17 |
Megaf |
I went there can got her stick with me |
| 20:18 |
thexyz |
Jordach: anything else? |
| 20:18 |
Calinou |
rm -rf girl |
| 20:18 |
proller |
Jordach, my "made in china" phone have 4 cores... |
| 20:18 |
Jordach |
you forgot the sudo part |
| 20:18 |
Megaf |
Calinou, is good to gave a girl |
| 20:18 |
* Jordach |
knows |
| 20:18 |
Jordach |
;) |
| 20:18 |
Megaf |
Peacock, and I know that |
| 20:18 |
Megaf |
Jordach, knows too :) |
| 20:18 |
* MinetestBot |
looks around... |
| 20:19 |
Calinou |
proller, most phones are made in china anyway... also some ARM cores are way more efficient than others |
| 20:19 |
sfan5 |
Jordach: √phone |
| 20:19 |
Jordach |
rooted phone |
| 20:19 |
Jordach |
genius :P |
| 20:19 |
Calinou |
<Megaf> I went there can got her stick with me |
| 20:19 |
Calinou |
what do you mean? |
| 20:19 |
Megaf |
My phone is made in Brazil :P |
| 20:19 |
Megaf |
Calinou, I have no idea |
| 20:19 |
* sfan5 |
cuddles MinetestBot |
| 20:19 |
Jordach |
what is this? FirefoxOS? |
| 20:20 |
Calinou |
better have a phone made in Isle of Man, by Mark Shuttleworth himself |
| 20:20 |
iqualfragile |
sfan5: wtf? why that many chache misses? |
| 20:20 |
* Jordach |
takes MinetestBot and hides in #Blender |
| 20:20 |
sfan5 |
iqualfragile: dunno, you can usually expect much from intel cores |
| 20:20 |
iqualfragile |
indeed |
| 20:20 |
iqualfragile |
what did you test? |
| 20:21 |
sfan5 |
minetestserver with full load |
| 20:22 |
sfan5 |
iqualfragile: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/upload/userdata/1/callgrind.out.15401 |
| 20:22 |
sfan5 |
open that in kcachegrind |
| 20:22 |
thexyz |
Jordach: ok, I guess the argument is over then |
| 20:22 |
thexyz |
sfan5: what is this? |
| 20:23 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: output from valgrind --tool=callgrind |
| 20:25 |
zash |
Does the engine support gravity in whatever direction? I'd like to see a game where you run around on a big ball of blocks held togeather by gravity |
| 20:26 |
PilzAdam |
zash, no |
| 20:28 |
Peacock |
zash see space enegineers |
| 20:28 |
Peacock |
*engineers |
| 20:29 |
Calinou |
only downwards (or maybe upwards...) gravity |
| 20:29 |
Jordach |
upwards is possible |
| 20:29 |
zash |
Peacock: zomg |
| 20:29 |
Jordach |
except, good luck trying to go down again :P |
| 20:30 |
thexyz |
sfan5: meh a lot of dependencies |
| 20:30 |
thexyz |
it wants kdesu for example |
| 20:30 |
sfan5 |
maybe there is another tool |
| 20:31 |
thexyz |
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs12/i/2006/299/a/e/Rozen_Maiden___Suiseiseki_by_kuridoki.jpg |
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| 20:32 |
thexyz |
well does it show anything interesting? |
| 20:33 |
sfan5 |
dunno |
| 20:33 |
sfan5 |
I don't know whats interesting and what's not |
| 20:33 |
thexyz |
ah right |
| 20:33 |
thexyz |
let me emerge it then |
| 20:34 |
Calinou |
lol, #bitcoin has more people than #ubuntu |
| 20:34 |
Peacock |
cant make money with ubuntu :P |
| 20:34 |
Calinou |
Jordach, if it was toggleable it could be possible |
| 20:41 |
thexyz |
c plus equality repo has got taken down |
| 20:42 |
iqualfragile |
thexyz: emerge… hardcorenerd no.1 just revealed himself |
| 20:42 |
iqualfragile |
Peacock: outch! |
| 20:42 |
iqualfragile |
sfan5: why could that be? is minetest using some cachekilling data structures like hashmaps a lot? |
| 20:42 |
Peacock |
im sure shuttleworths' feeling the burn lol |
| 20:42 |
Peacock |
and im not talking richard simmons type burns lol |
| 20:44 |
Megaf |
Say a number from 192.168.1.3 to 192.168.1.255 |
| 20:44 |
thexyz |
sfan5: why's your server so slow? |
| 20:44 |
thexyz |
192.168.1.3.14159265 |
| 20:44 |
iqualfragile |
Megaf: 42, obviously |
| 20:44 |
Megaf |
iqualfragile, good choice, thanks |
| 20:45 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: because valgrind is slows it down |
| 20:45 |
sfan5 |
otherwise it is pretty fast |
| 20:45 |
sfan5 |
iqualfragile: not that I know |
| 20:45 |
Peacock |
val grinds faster if you tuck a few notes in her knickers |
| 20:47 |
thexyz |
sfan5: i mean, download speed |
| 20:47 |
thexyz |
max was 100 kb/s or something |
| 20:47 |
sfan5 |
oh |
| 20:47 |
sfan5 |
I only have upload of 1 Mb/s |
| 20:48 |
Megaf |
thexyz, how you measure that on my server? |
| 20:48 |
thexyz |
I measure wat? |
| 20:48 |
Megaf |
can you see test my upload speed? |
| 20:48 |
Megaf |
megaf.minetest.info |
| 20:49 |
Megaf |
well, I dont know what are you talking about exactly |
| 20:49 |
Megaf |
<thexyz> max was 100 kb/s or something |
| 20:49 |
thexyz |
uh? he gave a link to some file |
| 20:49 |
Megaf |
ah |
| 20:49 |
Megaf |
Ok, sorry |
| 20:49 |
Megaf |
I though there was something to do with minetest |
| 20:50 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: just quickly set up a http server and add a file that is big enough |
| 20:50 |
thexyz |
nah, minetest is slow |
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Megaf |
sfan5, not a good idea, it would lag my players |
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| 20:59 |
pandaro |
hi all |
| 20:59 |
Megaf |
Hi there |
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iqualfragile |
thexyz: in germany its hard to get decently priced symetric connections |
| 21:11 |
Calinou |
isn't symetric connection much slower in download<, |
| 21:12 |
Calinou |
<thexyz> nah, minetest is slow |
| 21:12 |
Calinou |
depends on what you do |
| 21:12 |
* Jordach |
grumbles |
| 21:12 |
thexyz |
trying to play it |
| 21:12 |
thexyz |
when i'm just looking at its icon it of course doesn't feel slow |
| 21:12 |
Jordach |
11 mins until my thing finishes; and my luck is shit (bedtime so it has to wait...) |
| 21:13 |
Calinou |
...not funny |
| 21:15 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 21:15 |
thexyz |
what is? |
| 21:17 |
thexyz |
well that's true |
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iqualfragile |
Calinou: depends on which technik is used, for fiber it down and upload are in seperate fibercables so they can not hinder each other |
| 21:48 |
Calinou |
talking about ADSL here |
| 21:48 |
Calinou |
err, SDSL |
| 21:50 |
iqualfragile |
iirc dsl uses seperate frequency bands for up and download, so yes, you would need to split the avivable spectrum |
| 21:54 |
Miner_48er |
why are recently updated servers missing from the server list? |
| 22:02 |
Megaf |
Miner_48er, nobody knows https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018 |
| 22:03 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: there is a bug that prevents announcing in the latest version |
| 22:03 |
sfan5 |
(dev version) |
| 22:04 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 22:05 |
VanessaE |
*looks at server list* |
| 22:05 |
VanessaE |
*looks at inchra channel* |
| 22:05 |
Megaf |
Hi VanessaE |
| 22:05 |
VanessaE |
yep, mine are surely up and running okay, despite not announcing :) |
| 22:09 |
Peacock |
jesus <expletive> christ, it's a pain to CSS a file input button lol |
| 22:10 |
VanessaE |
so use html? |
| 22:10 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 22:11 |
Peacock |
"Choose Files" is the only button that doesn't look like the rest lol |
| 22:11 |
Peacock |
html can't do what i did to the others :P |
| 22:12 |
VanessaE |
strange, I had no trouble theming the buttons on my website with a bit of javascript + html, but then again they were just anchor links |
| 22:13 |
Peacock |
see http://s24.postimg.org/6ecphmjxh/Screenshot_161213_05_12_33_PM.png |
| 22:14 |
Peacock |
that one white button is really out of place lol |
| 22:15 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 22:15 |
VanessaE |
you trying to re-create LCARS or something? |
| 22:15 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 22:15 |
Peacock |
well they wanted scifi lol |
| 22:16 |
Peacock |
maybe i could just hide the button |
| 22:18 |
Peacock |
though if they dont like that style i made 2 other stylesheets that work with the same JS/PHP so its all good :-) |
| 22:19 |
VanessaE |
just have it pop up a dialog when someone clicks on the filename field. |
| 22:19 |
VanessaE |
but some people hate that - makes it hard to copy the filename. |
| 22:19 |
Peacock |
according to this, i can create a normal form and fake the file input: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6376452/hide-the-browse-button-on-a-input-type-file |
| 22:20 |
Peacock |
thank god for stacko., they didn't have that when i started out lol |
| 22:20 |
VanessaE |
ikr |
| 22:20 |
LazyJ |
Ah-hah! She's awake! |
| 22:20 |
VanessaE |
they've saved me more time than I can co...... |
| 22:20 |
* VanessaE |
HIDES! |
| 22:20 |
LazyJ |
Hehehe... |
| 22:21 |
LazyJ |
Ok, now for the moment I've been waiting for!... about 20mins or so. ;)- |
| 22:21 |
LazyJ |
Anyway, the glowlights from HomeDecor don't register in the logs or debug when place. |
| 22:22 |
LazyJ |
We had a light-weight griefer plaster our spawn area with them but I couldn't track down the culprit in the logs. |
| 22:22 |
Peacock |
all place nodes should be in the logs? |
| 22:23 |
LazyJ |
Even with debug_level 4, no record of placement, digging, yes, placement, no. |
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| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
they don't? |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
I just use, I think, add_node() or set_node() to place the |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
them* |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
nothing special there |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
they go through the rotate_and_place() call |
| 22:24 |
LazyJ |
I tested in my singleplayer world, latest MT, latest HomeDecor, debug_level = 4, nada. |
| 22:24 |
Peacock |
rotate and place is newer, maybe missing log statements |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
indeed so, I didn't think to add any logging to that method |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
use the rollback checker next time :) |
| 22:25 |
Peacock |
well just copy the code from builtin for identical logs (OCD) lol |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
that said,... |
| 22:26 |
LazyJ |
I was able to deduce (wild guess mostly) who it was and used the rollback. That saved me about an hour of clean-up. The little rat spent an hour plastering the town. :/ |
| 22:26 |
VanessaE |
rotate_and_place() uses add_node() calls, so shouldn't it be logging it anyway? |
| 22:26 |
VanessaE |
at least rollback should *definitely* be recording it |
| 22:27 |
Peacock |
yeah add node should be making log entries :/ |
| 22:27 |
VanessaE |
LazyJ: use /rollback_check 1 999999 |
| 22:27 |
VanessaE |
that'll tell you who the placer was |
| 22:28 |
Peacock |
ideally all place node should be logged, and even some basic stats wouldn't be a bad idea for anticheat stuff |
| 22:29 |
LazyJ |
Is there more documentation of rollback's tricks? |
| 22:29 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix broken httpfetch due to SimpleThread removal 54dbd78f90 2013-12-16T14:31:56-08:00 http://git.io/U7B-ow |
| 22:29 |
LazyJ |
/help rollback says something about :actor What's that? |
| 22:30 |
Peacock |
well Peter O'Tool died, apart from that, dunno anything about actors :P |
| 22:30 |
VanessaE |
LazyJ: not really too much. it just tells you who, when, and where. the 1 is the radius of the check, the 999999 was the time length, how far back to go |
| 22:31 |
LazyJ |
Hmm... thanks. MT needs a user's manual. |
| 22:31 |
Peacock |
we already have too many :P |
| 22:31 |
LazyJ |
It would be nice to have a "For Dummies..." version for us laymen. |
| 22:32 |
Peacock |
i always used lua api .txt, though it's sometimes inaccurate/outdated |
| 22:32 |
LazyJ |
And that's another issue... outdated info. |
| 22:32 |
Peacock |
i think there are two or more wikis, but i never used those |
| 22:32 |
LazyJ |
Even the minetest.conf.example file has suffered that particular affliction. |
| 22:32 |
Peacock |
trying to organize info leads to outdated shit all over the place :P |
| 22:33 |
Peacock |
well as a rule of thumb, if someone changes the API, they should be responsible for updating the api.txt |
| 22:33 |
Peacock |
most do |
| 22:35 |
LazyJ |
Well, whenever MT get's more "settled" perhaps a user's guide will be more feasible. |
| 22:40 |
VanessaE |
MT? "settled"? |
| 22:41 |
VanessaE |
surely you can't be serious. |
| 22:47 |
LazyJ |
"Matured", perhaps? |
| 22:47 |
VanessaE |
aged. |
| 22:48 |
VanessaE |
like cheese :) |
| 22:48 |
LazyJ |
How do other opensource projects get books written about them? (OpenOffice) |
| 22:48 |
Sokomine |
lazyj: rollback_check used to be unusable due to its speed. now that it has been migrated to a database it is so fast that it can be used |
| 22:48 |
VanessaE |
they become incredibly popular, enough so that everyone starts to need them |
| 22:49 |
VanessaE |
openoffice is approaching that category |
| 22:49 |
VanessaE |
everyone in business needs something like it |
| 22:49 |
LazyJ |
I've been trying the rollback_check. |
| 22:49 |
VanessaE |
if not it, then MS Office |
| 22:49 |
LazyJ |
The results show the glowlights I removed but not who placed them earlier this afternoon. |
| 22:49 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: sadly, rollback check has become very slow again :( |
| 22:49 |
VanessaE |
unless that has since been fixed. |
| 22:49 |
VanessaE |
LazyJ: because you already fixed the problem. |
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| 22:50 |
VanessaE |
LazyJ: grep the rollback log by hand |
| 22:50 |
Sokomine |
vanessae: how's that? what happened? |
| 22:50 |
VanessaE |
you can also find the culprit that way, in the future |
| 22:50 |
LazyJ |
grep works on sqlite? |
| 22:50 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: no idea. ShadowNinja thought maybe he missed something, but he wasn't clear at the time, what. |
| 22:50 |
VanessaE |
LazyJ: aw crap that's right, it's sqlite now |
| 22:50 |
VanessaE |
strike that :P |
| 22:51 |
VanessaE |
in that case, I guess you'd have to write up a proper SQL query to search for the node name :P |
| 22:51 |
* LazyJ |
tosses a stale cinnamon roll at VanessaE. |
| 22:51 |
* VanessaE |
sprays it with a bit of water and microwaves it for a few seconds |
| 22:51 |
VanessaE |
mmmmmm |
| 22:51 |
khonkhortisan |
that actually works |
| 22:51 |
LazyJ |
Damn... she knows *that* trick. ;)- |
| 22:51 |
VanessaE |
yup :) |
| 22:52 |
khonkhortisan |
I think there's an infomercial for that |
| 22:52 |
LazyJ |
Also fresh bread in the cookie jar will soften even the hardest of cheap, store-brand cookies. |
| 22:52 |
VanessaE |
oh yeah? |
| 22:52 |
Sokomine |
lazyj: my inspector mod also helps with the grep of the rollback.txt. or used to with the old format. the new sqlite based rollback is much much better |
| 22:52 |
LazyJ |
A sealed jar is best. |
| 22:52 |
Sokomine |
soften cookies? why? |
| 22:53 |
khonkhortisan |
there are some cookies you can't bite |
| 22:53 |
LazyJ |
A single slice of bread will give off enough moisture but it sticks to the cookies around it. |
| 22:53 |
LazyJ |
And are too big to dunk in your coffee cup. |
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| 22:53 |
VanessaE |
mmmmmmm soft cookies |
| 22:53 |
Sokomine |
i don't like it if bakery products get that way by taking in moisture. i prefer if they start getting dry and hard |
| 22:53 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: most cookies sold in this farcockta country here are hard as rocks :-/ |
| 22:54 |
khonkhortisan |
There's a certain lemon cookie I like, and it matters whether it's the soft kind or the hard kind. Now if only I could remember which I liked... |
| 22:54 |
Sokomine |
hard as rocks? hm. i don't know if any cookies here are that hard |
| 22:54 |
* LazyJ |
uses a hockey stick to shuttle a stale donut to Sokomine. |
| 22:54 |
VanessaE |
yeah, they are |
| 22:54 |
VanessaE |
you try to take a bite and you end up with handful of crumbs |
| 22:54 |
diemartin |
greetings |
| 22:54 |
VanessaE |
hey kazea |
| 22:54 |
Sokomine |
donut...i think i don't like the dough(?) they're made out of |
| 22:54 |
khonkhortisan |
hi k |
| 22:54 |
VanessaE |
kaeza* |
| 22:55 |
VanessaE |
some, like "Grandma's" brand, are soft as silk, on the other hand. |
| 22:55 |
LazyJ |
afk to tend to laundry. |
| 22:55 |
VanessaE |
donuts are made of different kinds of cakes and doughs though |
| 22:55 |
VanessaE |
depends on who makes them |
| 22:55 |
Sokomine |
all cookies i know of are best if they stay crunchy |
| 22:55 |
VanessaE |
(I used to work at a donut shop) |
| 22:55 |
khonkhortisan |
there's an excess supply of doughnut holes. The demand isn't high enough to keep up with the supply of byproduct from whole doughnuts. |
| 22:56 |
Sokomine |
but if some get old and...er...not crunchy anymore, i'll pass them on to you :-) |
| 22:56 |
Sokomine |
ah. thought they all had more or less the same dough |
| 22:56 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: crunchy is good for some kinds of cookies, like gingersnaps or oreos |
| 22:56 |
VanessaE |
but for a peanut butter cookie or chocolate chip? fuck no :) |
| 22:57 |
diemartin |
what's up? |
| 22:57 |
VanessaE |
soft and chewy or gtfo :) |
| 22:57 |
khonkhortisan |
brownie-like |
| 22:57 |
Sokomine |
hm, we have some here that are called american cookies. those are diffrent from the normal ones |
| 22:57 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: trust me, whatever you have there is *not* gonna be genuine. |
| 22:57 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 22:58 |
VanessaE |
khonkhortisan: no, more like ... fudge? |
| 22:58 |
VanessaE |
hm, not sure how to describe the perfect consistency |
| 22:58 |
khonkhortisan |
I know of fudgesicles, but not true fudge |
| 22:59 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: it's like what we have here of "Chinese" food is nothing like real Chinese food at all (and some stuff so-called isn't even of Chinese origin, like a fortune cookie) |
| 22:59 |
khonkhortisan |
Only the so-called chinese would get away with putting a message in your food |
| 23:00 |
VanessaE |
khonkhortisan: if you are ever in the Tarpon Springs, FL area, there's this little fudge shop on Dodecenese St., I forget the name of it now (Fudge Factory maybe?) that makes the best damn stuff I've ever had. It's like a solidified orgasm. |
| 23:01 |
VanessaE |
excuse me, Dodecanese Blvd. |
| 23:01 |
VanessaE |
khonkhortisan: actually, those "lucky numbers" and the whole fortune cookie bit are of Japanese origin. |
| 23:02 |
khonkhortisan |
we can call them oriental fortune cookies then |
| 23:02 |
VanessaE |
the Chinese know virtually nothing of fortune cookies, let alone the message buried therein |
| 23:03 |
Sokomine |
vanessae: *nod* although i can imagine that those kind of cookies might be popular in the us. they're pretty large and chocolate-rich |
| 23:04 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: possibly. |
| 23:04 |
VanessaE |
the most popular cookies here are chocolate chip, followed closely by classic Oreo, I guess |
| 23:05 |
Sokomine |
oreo exists here as well, but it's far from normal cookies |
| 23:06 |
Sokomine |
ah yes! the image that comes up as "chocolate chips" on wikipedia (the second one) shows what's sold here as "american cookies" |
| 23:06 |
Sokomine |
or, more precisely, chocolate chips cookie seems to be the therm |
| 23:07 |
Sokomine |
very deliscious cookies: http://www.amazon.de/Delacre-Tea-Time-Geb%C3%A4ckmischung-1000/dp/B006IT0JXA/ref=sr_1_sc_1/279-9983174-2481725?ie=UTF8&qid=1387235221&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=delacrie |
| 23:09 |
Sokomine |
very typical cookie, kind of the prototype in childhood (also used for a special "false hound" cake): http://www.amazon.de/Leibniz-Butterkeks-3er-Pack-Packung/dp/B004BL9D16/ref=sr_1_3/279-9983174-2481725?ie=UTF8&qid=1387235287&sr=8-3&keywords=butterkeks |
| 23:10 |
Sokomine |
or, standard cookies (very common ones): http://www.amazon.de/Gut-G%C3%BCnstig-Geb%C3%A4ckmischung-500/dp/B00545E3H2/ref=sr_1_2/276-5100441-5759337?ie=UTF8&qid=1387235378&sr=8-2&keywords=geb%C3%A4ckmischung |
| 23:10 |
Sokomine |
sorry for scrolling |
| 23:10 |
Sokomine |
but that's pretty much what i'd consider deliscious cookies here :-) (those web servers serve don't taste! :)) |
| 23:13 |
VanessaE |
those sorts are sold here too |
| 23:14 |
VanessaE |
usually as "specialty" cookies |
| 23:14 |
VanessaE |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Chocolate_Chip_Cookies_-_kimberlykv.jpg |
| 23:14 |
VanessaE |
typical of what you'll find here |
| 23:14 |
VanessaE |
*reaches unsuccessfully at the screen&* |
| 23:14 |
VanessaE |
WANT |
| 23:15 |
VanessaE |
http://shaunasever.com/wpshauna/wp-content/uploads/image-import/_gv2ZOLiWKJg/SxG_gd1wvTI/AAAAAAAABe8/UviVgTqW4NU/s1600/DSC05257.JPG |
| 23:15 |
VanessaE |
and this |
| 23:15 |
VanessaE |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Oreo-Two-Cookies.jpg |
| 23:15 |
VanessaE |
and this |
| 23:16 |
Sokomine |
ah yes. the first picture shows what's sold here as american ones. so the name does fit at least there :-) |
| 23:17 |
Sokomine |
the second ones look like haferkekse. ikea sells them... |
| 23:17 |
Sokomine |
hafer..don't know the term. it's what horses etc. like to eat |
| 23:17 |
VanessaE |
such cookies, if not overcooked, are about as soft as, say, a rolled-up newspaper |
| 23:17 |
VanessaE |
with a bit of a crispy surface |
| 23:18 |
VanessaE |
if overcooked, they come out crunchy all the way through |
| 23:18 |
VanessaE |
hafer --> hay or straw |
| 23:18 |
VanessaE |
oats actually |
| 23:18 |
VanessaE |
those second ones are oatmeal cookies |
| 23:18 |
Sokomine |
oats may fit, yes |
| 23:19 |
VanessaE |
the third ones of course are Oreo® cookies :) |
| 23:19 |
VanessaE |
(which I personally don't like unless they're dunked and well-soaked in milk) |
| 23:19 |
Sokomine |
and, of course, in christmas time, we usually have plaetzchen. the actual kind may vary from family to family |
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| 23:21 |
VanessaE |
oh yes |
| 23:21 |
VanessaE |
sugar cookies |
| 23:21 |
VanessaE |
I forgot about those |
| 23:21 |
VanessaE |
or at least that's what comes up first for me |
| 23:21 |
Sokomine |
what are these? |
| 23:22 |
VanessaE |
plaetzchen: http://www.wir-backen.de/files/backen/image/einfache-plaetzchen-3.jpg |
| 23:22 |
Sokomine |
*nod* except those are much thicker than the ones i prefer |
| 23:22 |
VanessaE |
these look like "sugar cookies", but without the final sugar covering on top |
| 23:23 |
Megaf |
there should be a way to reduce minetest servers packets size |
| 23:23 |
VanessaE |
I see what look like gingerbread cookies in here too |
| 23:23 |
Megaf |
and reduce its latency |
| 23:23 |
VanessaE |
http://www.blogdaluisa.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/plaetzchen.jpeg |
| 23:23 |
Sokomine |
some people put sugar on them. or schokostreusel (chocolate...er..in small sticks) or other decorative sugar items. especially if very young kids are present |
| 23:24 |
VanessaE |
the problem isn't the packet size, Megaf. the problem is the amount of time the server spends doing other stuff between sending out packets, and the amount of time spent processing that which has been received. |
| 23:24 |
Sokomine |
what's wrong with the packet size? even a mapblock does not seem to be particulary large? |
| 23:24 |
Megaf |
That's another problem |
| 23:24 |
VanessaE |
the actual network bandwith used by the packets is tiny, on the order of 531 kbps across five servers, for me. |
| 23:25 |
Megaf |
Yep, I dont quite understand, minetest was meant to be small and fast, to run on old hardware |
| 23:25 |
Megaf |
O got a 8 core xeon CPU with 10 mbps of upload |
| 23:26 |
Megaf |
I got* |
| 23:26 |
Megaf |
and still not fast enough |
| 23:26 |
Sokomine |
hm, yes, but gingerbread usually comes in cookie form. with some kind of thin sugar coating. it's usually larger than a plaetzchen |
| 23:26 |
VanessaE |
I see spikes into the 3.35 Mbps (335 kBytes/sec) range here and there in my graphs, from first-connect media fetching, but that's nginx, not minetest. |
| 23:26 |
Sokomine |
it takes forever to load a decent part of the map of a server over network. i suspect it is sent by pidgeon carrier |
| 23:27 |
Megaf |
yep |
| 23:27 |
Megaf |
that's one huge issue, map takes ages to load |
| 23:29 |
proller |
minetests network part designed for 1-player multiplayer |
| 23:29 |
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| 23:29 |
VanessaE |
tcp over avian carrier? |
| 23:29 |
VanessaE |
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt |
| 23:29 |
Megaf |
VanessaE, proller sfan5 ShadowNinja https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122252#p122252 |
| 23:30 |
proller |
Megaf, if you want faster server - try freeminer |
| 23:31 |
Megaf |
proller, Ok then |
| 23:31 |
Megaf |
very well |
| 23:31 |
Megaf |
proller, give me the github link |
| 23:31 |
proller |
https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer |
| 23:31 |
VanessaE |
proller: unfortunately, freeminer has its bugs too :( |
| 23:32 |
proller |
but now bit better |
| 23:32 |
Megaf |
proller, how to you call freeminer? A Minetest fork? |
| 23:33 |
proller |
also i trying to make faster connection.cpp |
| 23:33 |
Megaf |
kahrl, ping |
| 23:33 |
proller |
maybe will commit in next 1-2 days |
| 23:34 |
kahrl |
pong |
| 23:34 |
Lunatrius |
*rollback list |
| 23:34 |
Megaf |
kaeza, is that already part of the master branch? |
| 23:34 |
Megaf |
ops |
| 23:34 |
proller |
now tooo many packet resends, useless pps limiter, .... |
| 23:34 |
Megaf |
kahrl, is that already part of the master branch? |
| 23:34 |
kahrl |
yes |
| 23:34 |
Megaf |
kaeza, so if I get the latest master branch it will have the fix already, correct? |
| 23:35 |
kahrl |
edited the post to say so |
| 23:35 |
kahrl |
yes |
| 23:35 |
Lunatrius |
Never mind that, accidentally /AMSG'd it :( |
| 23:36 |
Megaf |
thanks kahrl! I'm gonna test that now |
| 23:39 |
Megaf |
compiling it |
| 23:42 |
ShadowNinja |
Megaf: Freeminer has a lot of lag, bugs, and very high memory usage. We also can't support it... (From reports by others, I haven't actually used it. But the idea behing the fork is merging without much review, which makes sense.) It does have a patch of two that improve things though, although one in a bad way. |
| 23:43 |
ShadowNinja |
behind* or* |
| 23:43 |
Megaf |
ShadowNinja, Don't worry, I will not leave minetest =) |
| 23:45 |
Megaf |
kahrl, Ok, I cant test |
| 23:45 |
Megaf |
I will post another bug |
| 23:46 |
Taoki |
Hello. Is it possible to make sure that a given command is run when you close a formspec window? Even if you close it by pressing "esc" |
| 23:47 |
diemartin |
Taoki, use if fields.quit then ... |
| 23:48 |
Taoki |
ok, thanks |
| 23:50 |
Sokomine |
ah yes, there's a bug report for my locks mod regarding that issue |
| 23:53 |
Megaf |
ShadowNinja, kahrl, sfan5, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=122256#p122256 |
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| 23:56 |
Taoki |
diemartin: Doesn't seem to work if I use minetest.show_formspec. Any way for that too? |
| 23:56 |
Taoki |
I need an on_rightclick event with the formspec |
| 23:56 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Improve worldedit.spiral and the WorldEdit GUI, https://gi 2013-12-16T15:55:56-08:00 http://git.io/_52djg |
| 23:56 |
Taoki |
So other code is executed when I open it |
| 23:57 |
kahrl |
Megaf: try ./minetestserver --info |
| 23:57 |
Megaf |
kaeza, I just edited there, with --verbose |
| 23:58 |
Megaf |
--info shows the same as verbose |
| 23:58 |
Megaf |
ops |
| 23:58 |
Megaf |
not |
| 23:58 |
Megaf |
it doest |
| 23:59 |
kahrl |
well --verbose is fine too (shows even more) |
| 23:59 |
diemartin |
Taoki, strange. can you paste the relevant on_receive_fields? |
