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00:07 Sokomine everhill: yes, i think so. harpold did well with that building, even though the server itshelf annoys me a lot (not the people there)
00:10 specing *Ahem*
00:10 specing Could not open file of texture: /home/specing/.minetest/te​xtures/base/pack/logo.png
00:10 specing 01:10:03: ERROR[main]: GUIFormSpecMenu::drawMenu() Draw images unable to load texture:
00:10 specing 01:10:03: ERROR[main]: /home/specing/.minetest/te​xtures/base/pack/logo.png
00:10 specing It is spamming these messages ~10/second
00:11 specing I compiled minetest with -DRUN_IN_PLACE=0
00:11 specing (making the local checkout use ~/.minetest)
00:14 specing I see this png present in the local checkout
00:14 specing I will symlink for now
00:20 VanessaE happens to me, too
00:20 Exio4 VanessaE: http://exio4.com.ar/private/mtw.ogv
00:22 VanessaE *watches*
00:22 VanessaE this happens to me too
00:22 VanessaE though it's usually less dramatic
00:22 VanessaE artifact of a faster processor, perhaps
00:22 VanessaE or videoor some other damn thing
00:22 VanessaE but the basic effect is the same
00:23 Exio4 my processor isn't that faster than yours
00:23 Exio4 mine is a bulldozer => shitty st performance versus a phenom
00:23 Exio4 a phenom II is about 30% faster at same clock rate iirc
00:23 Exio4 also, your gpu seems to be better than mine, no?
00:24 Exio4 (mine is a low-end GT610)
00:25 specing What program are you people using to record "screen"casts of a specific window on Linux/X11?
00:26 Exio4 i just used recordmydesktop
00:27 NakedFury Prt Scr button
00:27 VanessaE Exio4: Phenom II X6 1055T with a AMD HD6870 video (fglrx driver).
00:27 VanessaE I don't know what you're running, but while my system is fairly beefy, it isn't exactly top-of-the-line
00:28 VanessaE s/with a/with an/
00:28 NakedFury I use that same card
00:28 Exio4 Bulldozer 6100 with GT610 + nvidia latest blob
00:28 Exio4 6100 = six cores but three FPUs
00:29 NakedFury I have been thinking of upgrading the card but dont know with which. amd or nvidia and which line
00:29 Exio4 you have six "6/10" FPUs and i have a 8/10 FPU but for two cores
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00:31 Exio4 what frequency btw
00:31 Exio4 VanessaE: ^
00:32 VanessaE 2.6 GHz
00:33 VanessaE with rather nice cooler attached (so it's quite happy to run full bore for long durations if I so choose)
00:34 Exio4 2.6*1.3 = 3.4~ ghz
00:34 Exio4 but six real cores
00:34 Exio4 so your system is somewhat better than mine? :D
00:35 VanessaE heh, I guess
00:35 VanessaE still
00:35 VanessaE this is the engine that's supposed to be able to run on any old piece of shit :)
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00:38 * Sokomine shows her nice celeron around which does...kind of...have a gpu inside
00:39 Exio4 my system doesn't have an IGP
00:44 specing Im on a 8600 M GT laptop that still chugs along
00:44 specing Can even churn through Xonotic ;)
00:48 specing 01:29 < Exio4> 6100 = six cores but three FPUs
00:48 specing Actually, that is not quite correct ;)
00:48 specing A bulldozer module has two 128-bit FPUs that join into a 256-bit FPU when processing vector floating point :)
00:51 Exio4 yeah
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01:02 iqualfragile i am on a Radeon HD 7870
01:02 iqualfragile but everything is slow as fuck
01:02 iqualfragile that might be due to me using mesa
01:04 Taoki iqualfragile: I use Mesa too, but have a 6870. Don't know how well the free Radeon driver works with 7xxx series
01:04 iqualfragile yes, mesa is great for the 6xxx series
01:04 iqualfragile there was a huge improvement for the 7xxxx in mesa 10, but its still not top notch
01:05 Exio4 <what kernel are you using and what mesa version
01:10 iqualfragile newest released
01:11 VanessaE why are you using mesa?
01:11 VanessaE fglrx works pretty well on the 6000 series, radeon is shit on this one
01:11 specing Heh
01:11 iqualfragile oh, i did not know peacock was french
01:11 VanessaE he's a canuck :)
01:11 specing My experience with fglrx: segmentation fault
01:11 iqualfragile because its oss
01:12 VanessaE aw damn it, he signed off.
01:12 specing NVidia proprietary drivers are the best drivers you can get for graphics on Linux
01:12 Taoki VanessaE: Mesa is in the end better on Linux
01:12 specing It even handles hardware failures!
01:13 Taoki It runs some games more poorly, but it's still the native and most stable driver
01:13 * Taoki doesn't believe in proprietary drivers for Linux. Although I admit they are necessary for some games
01:13 specing It is also necessary for scientific computing
01:14 specing OpenCL/CUDA on opensource? lolno
01:14 Taoki specing: CUDA no, proprietary. OpenCL is coming to Mesa soon enough
01:15 iqualfragile additionaly the properitary driver is not in the repositories
01:15 specing It is for me
01:15 Taoki Really, the free video drivers aren't that bad and horrible as everyone thinks :P I had fglrx (proprietary ATI) and was glad to get rid ot if and switch back to Mesa. Even if yes, I play high-end games on Linux
01:16 Taoki In a few years at most, the idea that the free drivers are far worse than the proprietary ones will probably be history
01:16 specing Im giving it 5+ years
01:17 specing Though I doubt they will ever reach the quality level of those NVidia blobs
01:19 iqualfragile nvidia blobs have problems with vga display resolution and multiple displays
01:19 specing And I doubt they will support overclocking anytime soon :D
01:20 iqualfragile specing: lets see what steam will bring
01:22 specing Most likely better proprietary drivers
01:22 iqualfragile i would not be too sure about that
01:22 specing Since steam is proprietary itself, doubt they will push for opensource drivers
01:22 iqualfragile there were some hints about ati moving to oss development
01:23 iqualfragile they do
01:23 iqualfragile additionaly both nvidia and ati have published quite a abit of documentation
01:26 rambomedic I don't fucking understand their slow push to OSS drivers. Why not just fucking release the source code already?
01:27 iqualfragile rambomedic: because thera are some secrets about how gpu optimization (hardware wise)
01:27 iqualfragile and they might give big hints at those if they release their sourcecode
01:28 specing There aren't secrets
01:28 specing There are potential patent lawsuits
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01:29 specing And not just potential, but guaranteed ones
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01:34 iqualfragile specing: see? secrets
01:35 VanessaE Taoki: for me, mesa has always been horribly slow compared to fglrx or...well whatever it is nVidia called their driver when I used that, years ago.
01:36 Taoki VanessaE: It got better recently. Not for all card models, but better
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01:52 Sokomine can one of you do me a favour? try to connect to redcrab.suret.net 30401 with newest client
01:54 VanessaE 15c31676 works for me on redcrab.
01:55 VanessaE hm, I'm a few commits behind
01:55 VanessaE lemme pull and re-check
01:57 Sokomine ok. i think i have latest. it did work until recently. some problems where not uncommon on redcrabs server, but never several times in a row
02:08 VanessaE Sokomine: it's not you, latest git does not work for me either with Redcrab.
02:10 Sokomine thank you for the information. freeminer - also latest - works
02:17 VanessaE freeminer is at 9772322613 + more
02:17 VanessaE so that makes it one of today's commits.
02:18 VanessaE e9e9fd, 848f80, c120ea, 5fd92d, or 3946d2
02:18 VanessaE one of those is what broke it
03:08 Exio4 VanessaE: this bug is weird
03:12 Hirato https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/e9e9fd7c3f12bc5119b567ad37527d777859dbc0 this is the only one it can be
03:13 Exio4 we
03:13 Exio4 we've tried some commits, no one of those is
03:13 Exio4 it is way behind that
03:14 Hirato hmmm... my last build was with commit 3337, and I connected fine
03:15 VanessaE Hirato: impossible, Im way back inthe history before that commit
03:15 VanessaE the bug predates that.
03:15 Hirato I used/me shrugs
03:16 Hirato it loaded only two blocks though :/
03:17 Exio4 fuck
03:17 Exio4 this weather is shit
03:17 VanessaE so disable the weather mod? ;)
03:18 Exio4 i would like to do that in real life
03:18 Exio4 or actually change the source code
03:18 Exio4 but it isn't opensource!
03:18 Exio4 real life sucks! :P
03:18 Hirato oh yay, 4 blocks have loaded
03:19 Hirato what's the bug? are yo ujust unable to connect?
03:20 VanessaE connects but nothing at all loads.
03:20 Hirato yeah
03:20 Hirato it's not so much nothing at all, just takes forever
03:20 Hirato I've probably got about 12 loaded :D
03:21 Hirato I've had this problem locally too with finite liquid enabled
03:21 Hirato if I overdid it a bit, it would become completely unresponsive in an interactive sense
03:22 Hirato dug blocks wouldn't disappear, blocks owuldn't load, nothing would update
03:22 Hirato not even any traffic on the local socket
03:22 Exio4 >Feels like 29°
03:23 Exio4 lies, it is like 35°C
03:23 Exio4 D:
03:23 Hirato !weather
03:23 Hirato awh
03:23 Hirato oh well, it's 38 in perth :P
03:23 VanessaE redcrab's server predates the existence of finite liquids
03:23 Hirato do new servers work fine?
03:24 VanessaE yep
03:24 Hirato heh, some sort of 'network fix" sounds like the likely source
03:24 Hirato it is loading, it just takes really long to load anything
03:25 Hirato it's doing alright now that is got started
03:39 Exio4 i'm out
03:42 Hirato VanessaE: as far as I cna tell, it jsut takes a few minutes to start loading blocks, but once it does, it's fine
03:43 VanessaE "a few minutes" is patently unacceptable I think
03:43 VanessaE sadly, exio called it right... something about kahrl's httpfetch commit broke it... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6581646/
03:43 Hirato at least you've got two to run around in
03:46 Hirato Hmm...
03:46 Hirato I'm guessing a packet isn't being sent properly to initialise block load
03:47 VanessaE right
03:47 Hirato TOSERVER_RECEIVED_MEDIA? need some logs
03:48 VanessaE at this point I let the folks in -dev handle it
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05:02 * NekoGloop gives VanessaE a cookie
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06:40 VanessaE NekoGloop: heh
06:41 VanessaE check out the latest changes to gloopblocks.  you may like.
06:50 NekoGloop I see nothing too special
06:51 VanessaE just local-izing some variables
06:51 VanessaE == faster, better code :)
06:51 NekoGloop other than you fixing me being a total idiot
06:51 VanessaE lol
07:03 VanessaE oh well fine :(
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08:55 hoodedice Sup peeps
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09:26 Exio4 VanessaE: downloading 25mb is still 30~ minutes here :P
09:27 VanessaE no cURL?
09:27 Guest81453 Good morning all; happy Day of Reconciliation! :-D
09:27 VanessaE oh right
09:28 VanessaE no high speed connection
09:28 VanessaE hi Guest---er...JamesTait :)
09:28 VanessaE (or however you spell it :) )
09:28 Guest81453 Heheh. :)
09:28 Exio4 with curl
09:28 Exio4 at max-speed!
09:28 Guest81453 Yes, it looks like we've had problems again.
09:31 VanessaE Exio4: ouch.  get a better connection :)
09:31 VanessaE I'm glad I have broadband :)
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09:36 Exio4 i will
09:36 Exio4 not now cuz atm i can't have a better network (without having 300ms+ latency) here
09:39 VanessaE 300ms latency is ..tolerable.
09:40 VanessaE after all, minetest players routinely deal with fifty times that amount :)
09:40 Hirato lol
09:40 Hirato oh man... I don't want to imagine 20second latency in sauerbraten
09:40 Exio4 VanessaE: it isn't tolerable
09:41 Hirato just wondering, do you guys transparently compress network traffic with zlib or something?
09:41 Exio4 my actual latency to europe is about 250ms
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09:41 Hirato I imagine quite a bit of bandwidth can be saved when transmitting full blocks
09:41 Exio4 it isn't tolerable, with a better network it would be about 450~
09:42 Hirato 500ms+ is perfectly tolerable with cube 2 games :p
09:42 Hirato the important thing there isn't ping, but the consistency of it :p
09:43 VanessaE Hirato: no, it's raw, afaik
09:43 Hirato lol
09:43 VanessaE realtime compression would be even worse
09:43 Exio4 why?
09:43 VanessaE Exio4: be....cause the server is already slow enough as it is?
09:43 VanessaE besides,
09:44 VanessaE compression over a network connection isn't really beneficial these days is it?
09:44 Hirato realtime compression doesn't add that much overhead
09:44 Exio4 you aren't compressing 1gb every second
09:44 Hirato since you're only applying it to a few things, like loading the 16x16x16 blocks
09:44 VanessaE aren't pretty much all network streams already compressed?
09:44 Exio4 that is app-dependant
09:44 VanessaE Exio4: true
09:45 VanessaE Exio4: I mean at the protocol layer, not at the application layer
09:45 Exio4 exactly
09:45 VanessaE e.g. at ethernet and below
09:45 Exio4 nothing is compressed
09:45 VanessaE huh
09:45 Exio4 that is at the application layer
09:45 VanessaE I figured everything was anymore
09:45 VanessaE oh, ok
09:45 VanessaE terminology mixup
09:45 Exio4 (i mean, the compression)
09:45 VanessaE (to me, application layer is what rides on top of the driver and kernel)
09:45 Exio4 yeah
09:46 Exio4 you used them right
09:46 Exio4 i'm saying the compression is at the app layer :P
09:46 VanessaE hardware -> firmware -> protocol e.g. ethernet -> kernel -> driver -> application e.g. web browser
09:46 VanessaE that's how I always viewed it
09:47 Exio4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
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09:51 VanessaE about the same
09:52 VanessaE you know me, oldskool.
09:52 VanessaE I'm perpetually stuck in the old days, when the kernel, driver, and firmware were usually all blended into one :)
09:53 VanessaE it was hardware -> kernel -> application and you were lucky if the kernel handled anything other than basic handshaking with said hardware :)
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09:55 xyz|imaginary Hirato: I think blocks are compressed
09:55 xyz|imaginary this doesn't help
09:55 xyz|imaginary because well
09:55 VanessaE ah, he speaks
09:55 xyz|imaginary just read the source and you will see
09:55 xyz|imaginary the Server::AsyncRunStep
09:56 xyz|imaginary it's like
09:56 xyz|imaginary single threaded to hell, [almost] everything is done in that poor thread
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09:58 VanessaE oops
09:58 VanessaE single-threaded all to hell
09:59 VanessaE I think I could vouch for that.
09:59 * VanessaE withholds specifics as she will most likely be wrong in all respects
10:00 Hirato lol
10:03 xyz|imaginary an example
10:04 VanessaE sign-on lag?
10:04 VanessaE <xyz|imaginary> <VanessaE> no, way wrong
10:04 VanessaE :P
10:05 VanessaE oops, screwed up the fake formatting :)
10:06 xyz|imaginary no, I'm not that into the code
10:06 xyz|imaginary but it looks like that when Lua is run, for example, connection waits
10:06 xyz|imaginary well, not really waits, there's a separate connection thread
10:07 xyz|imaginary but while lua is run you can't do anything else; like there's a peer to which you really want to send a block to
10:08 Exio4 yeah, because lua can access new blocks and so on
10:08 Exio4 everything gets locked when lua runs
10:09 VanessaE xyz|imaginary: indeed so.  I understand that to be part of the so-called "big environment lock" hmmmm has talked about
10:09 xyz|imaginary meh, it's not that easy to explain, just read the code
10:09 xyz|imaginary Exio4: it's not really like that
10:10 Exio4 yeah
10:10 xyz|imaginary there's envlock for sure but also the server is totally single threaded (apart from emerge stuff I think)
10:10 xyz|imaginary and connection
10:10 Exio4 everything gets locked or doesn't even run when lua runs*
10:10 Exio4 happy now?
10:10 Exio4 ;P
10:12 VanessaE me?  read the code?  O.o
10:12 VanessaE you want me to go insane?
10:12 VanessaE (short trip, I know)
10:12 * Exio4 throws a C++ compiler at VanessaE's head
10:13 * VanessaE ducks
10:13 VanessaE the compiler wedges into kaeza's head
10:15 xyz|imaginary Exio4: not everything
10:15 xyz|imaginary there's a thread which sends and receives packets
10:16 xyz|imaginary but server can't process them and reply while anything else is run, obviously
10:18 xyz|imaginary but that's easy to fix; you can do!
10:19 xyz|imaginary remove all locks! spawn teh threads!
10:19 xyz|imaginary (fix all errors)
10:19 xyz|imaginary well the last part is just a bit harder but I believe in you
10:21 VanessaE REMOVE ALL THE LOCKS!
10:21 VanessaE -=>> "\ :D/ <<=-
10:22 xyz|imaginary FREE MINETEST! REMOVE ALL THE LOCKS!
10:23 VanessaE remove _all_ the locks?  ,0~0
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10:24 VanessaE (that second one is harder to render in ASCII than it looks :P )
10:24 xyz|imaginary that's the only way to be truly free
10:24 xyz|imaginary without any locks
10:25 Exio4 free? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHSFTRUekT0
10:25 Exio4 !title
10:25 MinetestBot Exio4: John Lennon - Free As A Bird (Original) - YouTube
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10:51 VanessaE hey proller
10:54 Hirato Down with locks! long live futexes!
10:54 Hirato or something
10:54 VanessaE (how's that for sign-on lag? ;) )
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10:58 reactor o/
10:58 reactor ShadowNinja: it was lag, yes.
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11:06 proller VanessaE moo
11:06 VanessaE meow
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12:07 thexyz guys
12:07 thexyz guys
12:07 thexyz they're going all out
12:07 VanessaE ?
12:07 thexyz https://play.google.com/store/ap​ps/details?id=com.vicono.zombie
12:08 VanessaE heh
12:08 VanessaE and that's a dead game
12:08 VanessaE Dan left minetest, pulled a j4i
12:08 thexyz why?
12:08 VanessaE long story.
12:08 thexyz shit I'm so butthurt right now
12:09 thexyz ah
12:09 VanessaE short version:  couldn't be bothered to fix a copy&paste error he caused while acepting a bugfix.
12:09 thexyz I read it somewhere
12:09 VanessaE got banned when he tried to violate the forum rules about blanking first posts.
12:09 VanessaE same old routine,.
12:09 thexyz anyway
12:09 VanessaE anyways
12:09 thexyz this has to stop
12:10 thexyz dmca the hell out of them
12:14 VanessaE I suppose I could bitch about the animated torches...  :P
12:14 * VanessaE is in give-up mode right now
12:16 Exio4 what the fuck?
12:16 VanessaE ?
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12:23 VanessaE ok, I'm out.  bbl.
12:26 reactor 1o/
12:26 reactor oops
12:26 reactor o/
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12:31 MegafAtWork Hi all, is anything wrong with http://servers.minetest.net/ ?
12:31 MegafAtWork I noticed there are less servers that used to be there
12:32 MegafAtWork And I updated my server to the lastest master branch of today and it doesnt show there anymore
12:32 MegafAtWork !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
12:32 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (527ms)
12:32 MegafAtWork 12:20:38: ACTION[ServerThread]: announcing to servers.minetest.net
12:42 MegafAtWork sfan5: ShadowNinja: Any idea?
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12:58 thexyz VanessaE: what's with animated torches?
13:06 MegafAtWork Well, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018
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13:08 MegafAtWork sfan5: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018
13:08 sfan5| sfan5|*
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13:09 hoodedice morning people
13:09 sfan5| umm
13:09 hoodedice good evening sfan5|
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13:10 sfan5| MegafAtWork, "URL perimee: merci de n'utiliser que les codes forunis par zimagez pour afficher vos images stockees sur zimagez'
13:12 MegafAtWork ok
13:12 hoodedice *français*
13:13 MegafAtWork sfan5|: fixed
13:13 MegafAtWork hoodedice: not that hard to understand
13:14 MegafAtWork it says , URL something: Thanks something using something the codes something something zimagez somtheing something your images stored in zimagez
13:15 hoodedice lemme see: Please de not use que the code forunis par zimages for afficher vos images stockees sur zimages
13:15 hoodedice All translated from memory
13:15 MegafAtWork now, put our two translations toguether
13:16 hoodedice Hmm, some zimages is not to be used in place of some other zimages
13:16 sfan5| 'URL forbidden: please use the forum codes from Zimagez for your images sroted in zimagez' ?
13:16 hoodedice Makers Sense.
13:16 sfan5| stored*
13:17 MegafAtWork I changed the code they gave me, that's what they are complaining about
13:17 hoodedice lolwut?
13:17 MegafAtWork Now I put the actual code back
13:17 sfan5| MegafAtWork, what does it show after 'Announcing to serverlist'
13:17 MegafAtWork sfan5|: nothing
13:17 hoodedice And I thought sfan5 was German.
13:18 MegafAtWork he is
13:18 sfan5| and no, I'm not learning france in school
13:18 MegafAtWork a lot of the modern English language came from French and old English from German
13:19 sfan5| s/france/french/
13:19 MegafAtWork and my native language is Brazilian Porguese, so I can understand some French and very little German
13:19 sfan5| MegafAtWork, https://gist.github.com/sfan5/5494405 try that
13:20 hoodedice And from Arabic too. Kinda surprising how many English words have Arab roots
13:20 sfan5| make sure you install the curl command line utility
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13:42 harrison Baba ghanoush, Couscous, Falafel, Fattoush, Halva, Hummus, Kibbeh, Kebab, Lahmacun, Shawarma, Tabouleh, Tahini, Za'ata.....
13:42 harrison otton, damask, gauze, macrame, mohair, & muslin
13:42 Peacock one helluva christmas buffet you're setting up there
13:43 harrison azedarach, bellerica, cubeba, emblica, galanga, metel, turpethum, and zedoaria.
13:43 harrison arabic roots in english
13:43 harrison [07:33:32] <hoodedice> And from Arabic too. Kinda surprising how many English words have Arab roots
13:43 harrison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_​of_English_words_of_Arabic_origin
13:43 reactor I wouldn't use those as root password, harrison.
13:44 Hirato baba ghanoush is the hooch that we've been looknig for
13:44 Peacock those words are probably on a no-fly list then :P
13:44 harrison that was either the worst pun or the best suggestion of the morning
13:44 thardin baba ghanoush = good
13:44 harrison The Italian botanist Prospero Alpini stayed in Egypt for several years in the 1580s. He introduced to Latin botany from Arabic from Egypt the names Abrus, Abelmoschus, Lablab, Melochia, each of which designated plants that were unknown to Western European botanists before Alpini, plants native to tropical Asia that were grown with artificial irrigation in Egypt at the time.
13:44 Hirato http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAJ2ETqeU58
13:45 Peacock lol why do you keep posting chunks of wikipedia?
13:45 harrison As noted in an OS News article titled "Why People Troll and How to Stop Them" (January 25, 2012), "The traditional definition of trolling includes intent. That is, trolls purposely disrupt forums. This definition is too narrow. Whether someone intends to disrupt a thread or not, the results are the same if they do.
13:46 Peacock doesn't explain the walls of text :P
13:46 Hirato walls of text originated from English p.o
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13:47 Peacock the most efficient trolling we get around here is people asking really dense questions, because you can never tell if they're serious or not lol
13:49 Hirato so how do I make a Lua mod that injects Lua into other mods?
13:49 Peacock How do i internet?
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13:50 Peacock lol
13:50 thexyz what is the speed of lua
13:50 Peacock lol even better
13:51 Peacock can i use javascript for mods XD
13:52 LazyJ Something seems amiss with the server announce /public server list in MT.
13:52 LazyJ VanessaE
13:52 Peacock yar, there be a thread on ye olde forums about it, matey
13:52 LazyJ VanessaE's server aren't listed and ours isn't showing up either.
13:52 LazyJ Recent thread or an old one?
13:52 Peacock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018
13:53 Peacock Megaf's having probs too
13:53 LazyJ Ah, thanks for the link.
13:53 Peacock i guess that timeout annoyance has been upgraded to a fullblown bug :/
13:53 LazyJ I'll add to it. Maybe it will help others as the come across this too.
13:53 Peacock either that or the list server is having difficulties
13:54 LazyJ A bug? In Minetest?  Nahhh..... ;0)
13:55 Peacock well without knowing the cause it's even odds client or list server lol
13:55 LazyJ Yeah, gotta love those needle-in-a-haystack problems.
13:55 reactor Иецю
13:55 reactor Btw.
13:55 Peacock not really needle, the problems' recent so you don't have to go back far in the commit log
13:55 reactor VanessaE: last time I tried //rotate and //orient, they didn't work well.
13:56 reactor I mean, I still can't rotate the whole buildings.
13:57 Peacock rotate must be a bitch with facedir nodes + vmanip
13:57 Peacock unless that's changed recently
14:00 reactor I wish someone reverse-engineered Minecraft for those.
14:01 Peacock well the math is the same and pretty basic, it's the methods that are different, not at all the same engines we're dealing with
14:06 sfan5 meow
14:06 sfan5 I'm back
14:06 Peacock when my cat meows, she usually wants cat treats :P
14:06 * sfan5 puts a kitten on Peacock's head
14:06 * reactor gives sfan5 some poison
14:06 reactor Now you're Schroedinger's.
14:07 * sfan5 throws the poison at reactor
14:07 reactor Because it says on the label: kills with 50% probability.
14:07 * reactor sparks
14:07 * Hirato turns into a kitten and sits on Peacock's head
14:07 Peacock well with 50% chance of being alive or dead, there's a good change 2 of the previous 4 sfans' will still be alive
14:07 * sfan5 puts a kitten on Hirato's head
14:07 reactor Please refrain from      jjjj jj jj jj jjj
14:07 sfan5 lol
14:07 sfan5 I got 50 dogecoin
14:07 Peacock refrain from abrams?
14:08 reactor ЙЙЙЙЙйййЙЙError reading /dev/ra1: drive offline.
14:08 Hirato silly nuclear reactors not using any protection
14:08 sfan5 I got 50 dogecoin and 319 comment karma
14:09 reactor No. Silly test subjects throwing the neurotoxin back at me.
14:09 reactor I'm fine.
14:09 Peacock btc's still trading around 800$ US
14:09 thexyz dogecoin is spreading too fast
14:10 Peacock i wonder what the rapid proliferation of altcoin is going to do to the value
14:10 thexyz TIME TO MINE
14:10 reactor Are those coins using useful computations, at last?
14:10 reactor Or still like Bitcoin bullshit?
14:11 Peacock what like SETI@home?
14:11 thexyz what useful computations?
14:11 reactor Protein folding?
14:11 reactor Etc?
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14:11 thexyz can any useful computation be used as proof-of-work?
14:11 reactor You're wasting electricity and processing power mining for that bullshit.
14:12 reactor Not producing anything.
14:12 thexyz you do
14:12 thexyz you secure transactions
14:12 thexyz if you fail to understand the importance of it then you don't understand how bitcoin works
14:12 reactor But you don't produce any material good.
14:13 blubblubb you facilitate transactions
14:13 thexyz what is "material good"?
14:13 reactor When you print money, you have to mine for gold.
14:13 Peacock i wouldn't waste time mining btc myself, cost outweights value now, but if they crashed, i might buy a small amount for shits and giggles
14:13 reactor (not necessarily, though)
14:13 reactor Gold is material.
14:14 Peacock reactor gold standards' been out since ww2
14:14 reactor I understand.
14:14 Peacock or nixon depending where
14:16 reactor Uh. I have an idea.
14:16 reactor If... governements can freely issue money now, why can't they take the liberty of issuing bitcoin, instead of letting people waste electricity then?
14:17 reactor Why not let some authority issue them, like usual money?
14:17 thexyz lol
14:17 thexyz please stop trolling and go read something about bitcoins
14:17 reactor If those computations were of any sense, I wouldn't mind. But that's just bloody hashes of hashes, not meaning anything!
14:17 reactor I'm not trolling. It's a waste.
14:18 reactor It may be a good currency, but the way it's ussued is bullshit.
14:18 thexyz if you aren't then you don't understand how it works
14:18 thexyz and should go and read some article on it anyway
14:18 thexyz and then you probably will understand why your point is invalid
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14:20 Peacock you dont issue bitcoins you mine em, the gov't would practically have to start over, after destroying the current stock
14:20 Peacock though theres nothing stopping gov'ts from using all their computer resources to mine them
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14:20 Peacock some sneaky bastards already use botnets or sneak miners into innocuous apps
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14:23 VargaD_ gold isn't more useful on it's own than a bitcoin
14:24 Peacock not true either, more entities will accept gold in exchange for goods
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14:26 VargaD that may change in the future
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14:27 hoodedice sup peeps
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14:31 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Fix MSVC compiling issue c9ac9992c7 2013-12-15T16:13:08-08:00 http://git.io/igv8AA
14:32 Peacock VargaD doubtful, solar flares, nuclear war, EMP, anything that takes down large swathes of the network, and digital currencies are gone, but gold remains. sure more places will accept digital coins in the future, but i doubt ittl ever surpass gold
14:33 Peacock you can't physically take btc's with you, and in a world where pedos and hackers are denied computer access, you need currency you can access
14:34 sfan5 >hackers denied computer access
14:34 sfan5 wat
14:34 VargaD then weapons are the best currency, you can always use/trade it to anything
14:34 sfan5 you mean the shopkeeper magically knows you're a hacker and doesn't sell you one
14:36 Hirato Big Hacker is tracing oyu
14:36 sfan5 with a visual basic GUI i suppose
14:38 Hirato wyh noy
14:38 Peacock well they don't get to use home computers at the very least, try doing all your btc stuff in a cafe
14:39 Peacock though hackers and pedos are just two examples, im pretty sure in future they'll find more reasons to deny certain types (pirates) computer access as well
14:40 sfan5 Peacock: how the f**k should your local startbucks know that your are a hacker and deny you wifi access
14:40 specing Anyone else feels like the forum search is completely useless?
14:40 Hirato chip implants under the skin
14:40 Hirato these will of course be required for citizenship
14:41 Hirato detecting any lifeforms witohut said chip is cause for immediate liquidation
14:42 Peacock i didn't say they'd deny access at starbucks, but public terminals are usually pretty locked down
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14:43 Peacock though who knows, in the future we may have to get internet surfing licenses like we do driver's licenses (the same way our grandparents *didn't* need drivers licenses in their time)
14:44 thexyz f**k <3
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14:44 thexyz w*y d* y*u t**e l**e t**s
14:44 iqualfragile thexyz: you love to fuck?
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14:45 thexyz wow you sure know how to begin a conversation
14:45 iqualfragile :D
14:46 iqualfragile ;)
14:46 Peacock why do you t**e l**e this - can i buy a vowel?
14:46 Hirato why didn't you stop them, thexyz
14:46 thexyz who?
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14:56 Peacock well, i dont mind the free heating, but the air gets so dry in here :(
14:58 specing Peacock: they already have that in china
14:58 Exio4 what temp?
14:58 Peacock 24c, windows been open for about an hour now lol
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15:00 thexyz lol
15:01 thexyz now I made it so that if adblock is detected the font is changed to comic sans ms
15:01 thexyz on my lil webpage
15:01 Peacock you could always just block adblock enabled browsers like some websites do with cookies
15:01 thexyz no, this is against my ad provider policy
15:02 Peacock you cant block adblock, that sucks
15:02 thexyz and this way I'll have so much fun reading bugreports
15:02 thexyz yeah
15:02 thexyz a bit
15:02 Exio4 i haz adblock cuz half of the ADs are fucking annoying
15:02 Peacock i dont suppose blocking it for any other reason would make a difference
15:03 Exio4 but there isn't a real "annoying ads blocker"
15:03 Peacock could do the opposite, design key parts of the site to be blocked by adblock lol
15:03 thexyz adblock is evil and kills the internet and you know it
15:03 thexyz Peacock: that's what nyatorrents did
15:03 thexyz the button to download torrent file was blocked
15:03 Peacock haha, if it works
15:04 reactor 20:22 < reactor> Why don't you tell me what I am missing, so I don't have to guess?
15:04 reactor 20:22 < reactor> I'm pretty sure I've seen the Wikipedia article some time ago.
15:04 thexyz but then adblock has a filter to reverse-block this
15:04 reactor thexyz: ^
15:04 VargaD they protect us againt chipping: http://www.angels-heaven.or​g/english/default_0c_en.htm
15:04 thexyz reactor: what exactly? you can't use anything useful as proof-of-work if that's what you want to ask
15:04 thexyz reactor: but if you find a way I'm sure you can create a new currency and earn a lot of money
15:05 Peacock so you're only choice is to pay adblock? sounds like a protection racket
15:05 Peacock *your
15:05 thexyz proof-of-work should be easily verifiable and not reusable
15:06 thexyz reactor: ^
15:06 thexyz Peacock: yes, that's true
15:06 thexyz that's why I'm saying it kills the internet
15:06 Peacock i wonder if TPB pays adblock, their popups always appear
15:07 Peacock well to be fair, ad prices went way down after the dotcom burst, adblock came along after that
15:07 Peacock besides advertising isn't worth shit if no one's buying
15:07 thexyz adsense still delivers
15:07 thexyz indeed
15:07 specing the internet should be purged of ads, period
15:08 thexyz another person who don't understand how things work
15:08 thexyz oh well
15:09 Peacock well without ads, so many free software sites would have to rely on donations alone, but since alot of those people think everything should be free (inc. hosting), i wouldn't count on that working out either
15:09 Exio4 annoying ads are the ones that should die
15:10 thexyz oh wow that's happening already
15:10 thexyz lol
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15:13 sfan5 I would need about 85071442444659062456468216540107 ATtiny13's (at 20MHz) to crack an xtea encrypted block by brute force
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15:17 Taoki Is minetest.get_node a slow function? Does it hurt server CPU if it's used frequently?
15:18 Taoki **an expensive function rather
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15:18 Peacock meh, WE got by using it thousands of times in one go
15:18 Peacock so depends how much :P
15:18 Taoki Ok. I might add a loop that uses it 6 times per 0.5 second
15:18 thexyz Taoki: if you need to get many nodes better use voxelmanip
15:19 Peacock ^ depends what youre doing with the nodes
15:19 thexyz if they're inside a parallelepiped
15:19 Taoki I need to determine if a water source touches other water sources
15:19 Taoki get_nodes_in_radius with 1 sadly gets diagonals as well, and doesn't work
15:19 Peacock that could work with vmanip
15:19 Taoki ok
15:20 thexyz but will there be a performance increase?
15:20 thexyz better benchmark it
15:20 Taoki BBL
15:20 thexyz 6 times isn't much btw
15:20 thexyz just use your usual get_node
15:20 Taoki ok, sounds good to me too
15:20 Peacock you cant do things like access metas with vmanip though, not sure about changing node properties like param1/param2 either
15:20 thexyz or at least I hope it's not much
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15:39 sfan5 netsplit!
15:40 iqualfragile yay!
15:40 Peacock no sprinkles :(
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15:49 Peacock gotta love google/youtube translate : "WHERE TO YOUR NOSE CHOSETE ........ YOU ARE ON YOUR KAVATZES interested "
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15:54 sfan5 http://www.loadingartist.com​/2013/12/16/my-best-friend/
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16:29 Jordach ohai
16:30 * Jordach pokes sfan5
16:30 * sfan5 throws a kitten at Jordach
16:30 Jordach enjoying my mass progress :P
16:31 sfan5 yes
16:35 Jordach wow
16:35 Jordach playing my creative world space map and we found 2 nyan cats
16:37 reactor Same problem here.
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16:37 reactor They keep spawning even if you use "singlenode" as worldgen.
16:37 reactor I encountered that a lot when porting Pripyat.
16:38 korr_ lol keeps getting better and better: Bogus Mandela interpreter Thamsanqa Jantjie involved in ‘necklacing’ ‘mob justice’ killing of two men burned to death, friends say
16:38 reactor Speaking of which. Is there no one else I could pass the map on to?
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16:53 iqualfragile netsplitparty
16:53 thexyz wait for chanserv to netsplit then we can have a real party
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16:56 iqualfragile or nickserv
16:56 iqualfragile its fun when nickserv netsplits
16:56 iqualfragile happens sometimes at euirc
16:57 MegafAtWork Hi everyone
16:57 MegafAtWork VanessaE: ping
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16:59 thexyz yes all those hacks to make irc work somehow
17:00 MegafAtWork IRCs works nice
17:00 thexyz yes no
17:01 thexyz it works but definitely not nice
17:02 thexyz the protocol is missing some basic features like auth
17:02 thexyz and every server has its own implementation, nickserv being the most common (no proof, may be false)
17:02 thexyz which still differ
17:03 thexyz also you can't have a single account to access all networks
17:03 thexyz well, that's basic stuff which I was whining about already
17:03 MegafAtWork not the protocol fault
17:04 MegafAtWork and not a fault at all
17:04 MegafAtWork it's a feature
17:04 MegafAtWork it gives you all freedom do implement things just like you want
17:04 MegafAtWork the protocol is grat for chating, sending simple messages to people
17:04 MegafAtWork and all networks are not linked togueter
17:05 thexyz lol
17:05 thexyz sure, feature
17:05 thexyz they don't have to be linked
17:05 thexyz see xmpp
17:05 thexyz MegafAtWork: how can i implement newlines?
17:05 thexyz i really miss them
17:05 thexyz every time I paste a log this bot kicks me
17:05 thexyz because irc cannot newlines
17:06 MegafAtWork http://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/Wi​ndowsLiveWriter/not%20a%20bug-a%20feature.jpg
17:06 thexyz well that's definitely not a bug, just a protocol limitation
17:06 thexyz but calling it a feature is stupid, I think
17:07 MegafAtWork That was a joke
17:08 thexyz it's sometimes hard to distinguish a joke from fanatism
17:08 thexyz especially since you can say stupid things and then tell me it all was a joke
17:08 thexyz that's unfair ;(
17:08 MegafAtWork sfan5: Really, thanks for your time in making that patch, But I can't use it =/
17:08 iqualfragile patch?
17:09 MegafAtWork iqualfragile: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018
17:09 iqualfragile keh
17:10 sfan5 MegafAtWork: program output?
17:11 MegafAtWork I posted here > https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=122220#p122220
17:12 Jordach thexyz, would you really like a non-free network that you must pay for
17:12 Jordach eg, just one network that YOU and OTHERS can only access
17:13 iqualfragile Jordach: wtf?
17:14 sfan5 MegafAtWork: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=122222#p122222
17:14 Jordach [17:03:24] <thexyz> well, that's basic stuff which I was whining about already
17:14 specing Is there a command that will list all the mods used by the server?
17:14 MegafAtWork specing, yes, /mods
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17:17 MegafAtWork Ok, compiling
17:18 thexyz Jordach: no, why would I?
17:19 specing Is there a way to send /mods output to stdout?
17:20 specing I only see it in game
17:20 Jordach \o/ Love2D 0.9.0 installs thingy
17:20 Jordach luaJIT*
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17:23 MegafAtWork well, I give up, I'm jus gonna wait for a working build...
17:24 korr_ ugh, must brave the cold to get wife's cold meds, think i'll make a tiny detour to the off-license (for the vitamins...) ;)
17:25 korr_ wtf, i think i gots netsplitted :(
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17:31 MegafAtWork sfan5: So, how is that happening? I mean, Why is it failing to "talk" to servers.minetest.net?
17:31 sfan5 MegafAtWork: dunno
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17:39 Jordach sfan5, ported from 0.8.0 to 0.9.0 http://i.imgur.com/mt90qEe.png
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17:40 rubenwardy Hi all!
17:40 rubenwardy lol
17:40 * Jordach is building minetest in 2d with love2d
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17:40 sfan5 Jordach: nice
17:41 Jordach sfan5, the map scrolls
17:41 sfan5 MegafAtWork: what does it say with the patch applied?
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17:42 rubenwardy a LUA game engine :O
17:42 thexyz better use live2d <3
17:42 zash rubenwardy: careful, the #lua people will hunt you down
17:42 rubenwardy Lua is good for scripting, but for coding a game?????
17:43 thexyz why not?
17:43 thexyz see, we're already moving everything from minetest core into lua
17:43 zash thexyz: \o/
17:44 iqualfragile lua cant even multithread
17:44 AndrewPH YOU can't even multithread
17:44 AndrewPH >:c
17:44 zash threads are evil
17:45 zash There's coroutines tho
17:45 Hirato_ Lua can multithread, it just needs support in the engine for it
17:45 Hirato_ and well.... giant can of worms
17:45 Jordach :> https://www.love2d.org/wiki/love.thread
17:45 Jordach suck it rubenwardy
17:45 zash There's also LuaLanes
17:45 Jordach -rubenwardy + iqualfragile
17:46 rubenwardy huh?
17:46 rubenwardy Lua is good, just not for programming
17:46 rubenwardy for scripting
17:46 rubenwardy (fine difference)
17:46 Jordach bullshit
17:46 Jordach BULLSHIT.
17:46 zash Lua works great.
17:46 rubenwardy Worse than Java for coding
17:46 Jordach my 10000 block area generates in an INSTANT
17:46 * Jordach plans on ramping it to 50000
17:47 rubenwardy Its 2d
17:47 Jordach rubenwardy, still faster than minetest's routines
17:47 Jordach and we have LuaJIT
17:47 rubenwardy ITS 2D
17:47 Jordach it's no different to me using PYGAME.
17:47 Jordach rubenwardy, and
17:47 rubenwardy And it does not appear to use noise
17:47 rubenwardy Just random
17:48 Jordach rubenwardy, will be fixing that soon
17:48 rubenwardy yeah yeah
17:48 Jordach i'm using the identical engine to what i used in my Landgen 10.1
17:48 Jordach and it fits within 200 lines of code
17:48 Jordach (smaller than my scratch project infact)
17:49 rubenwardy I like Lua, i just would never use it to program anything other than mods, content or small stuff
17:49 rubenwardy Anyway, it is not my choice :P
17:49 zash I like Lua, I use it for a almost pure Lua network server. :P
17:50 Jordach rubenwardy, eventually - i will be using LuaSocket for a server instance :P
17:55 thexyz how do you like your GIL in your Lua?
17:56 rubenwardy ?
17:56 Calinou <rubenwardy> Lua is good, just not for programming
17:56 Calinou <rubenwardy> for scripting
17:56 Calinou <rubenwardy> (fine difference)
17:56 Calinou it is a programming language
17:56 thexyz global interpreter lock
17:56 thexyz or does love2d do it right?
17:56 Calinou you can't really differentiate scripting from programming: even Bash is a programming language! ;)
17:57 rubenwardy It is a scripting
17:57 Jordach wat, my tile scrolling works smooth as FUCKING butter with going left, but jitters when going right
17:57 rubenwardy language
17:57 Calinou but you can call it a scripting language too.
17:57 rubenwardy What is the oposite of scripting?
17:57 rubenwardy opposite
17:57 Calinou and if you do that, you should be able to call C a scripting language...
17:57 Peacock jordach, why would you fuck butter?
17:57 Jordach dammit Peacock
17:57 Krock pressing backspace, rubenwardy ;)
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17:58 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
17:58 Calinou hi PilzAdam
17:58 Krock hey pilzagam
17:58 Krock damn typos
17:58 Calinou use tab completion
17:58 rubenwardy Is c++ written for a special run-time environment that can interpret rather than compile?
17:58 MegafAtWork Hello PilzAdam
17:58 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018
17:58 PilzAdam rubenwardy, yes
17:58 MegafAtWork we need a fix
17:58 thexyz rubenwardy: why?
17:59 rubenwardy Is c++ written for a special run-time environment that can interpret rather than compile?
17:59 thexyz !rainbow Is c++ written for a special run-time environment that can interpret rather than compile?
17:59 MinetestBot I2s c++2 7w7r4i3t6t5e3n9 4fo4r 9a s3pe3cia7l2 r8u6n2-t6ime3 6en4vir3on5ment th6at 9c9a2n i8n5t2erpr5e7t 2r9a9t5h9e4r9 3t5h9a6n 7co7m3pi4l6e?
17:59 PilzAdam rubenwardy, yes
17:59 thexyz I don't understand this question, sorry
17:59 rubenwardy Is c++ 2written for a special run-time environment that can interpret rather than compile?
18:00 Hirato_ only via LLVM, lol
18:00 zash Lua is compiled to bytecode....
18:00 MegafAtWork !rainbow 1234567
18:00 MinetestBot 4​1​29​35​47​54​6​7
18:00 Krock lol
18:00 PilzAdam rubenwardy, yes
18:00 reactor MinetestBot: you're malfunctioning.
18:00 MegafAtWork !rainbow 01234567
18:00 MinetestBot ​04​1​23​33​42​53​6​7
18:00 Krock !rainbow malfunctioning
18:00 MinetestBot ma4lf7unct7ionin7g
18:00 Hirato_ ~rainbow this rainbow doesn't look like a rainbow at all :/
18:00 Hirato_ !rainbow this rainbow doesn't look like a rainbow at all :/
18:00 MinetestBot 6thi9s5 9rai9nb2o8w do4e3s3n7't 7l5ook 7l7ike3 a7 7rai6nbo4w9 a3t all5 :/
18:01 MegafAtWork !rainbow 01234567
18:01 MinetestBot 3​06​15​26​3​4​5​6​7
18:01 MegafAtWork !rainbow 01234567
18:01 MegafAtWork was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
18:01 MinetestBot 8​0​1​2​32​46​54​6​7
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18:01 MegafAtWork I see what you did there
18:01 Krock !rainbow ​​​test​​​
18:01 MinetestBot 8​​​tes4t3​​6​
18:01 Hirato_ !rainbow botspam
18:01 MinetestBot 3bot8s3pa7m
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18:01 MegafAtWork !rainbow That's a random not true rainbow
18:01 MinetestBot T6h3a6t3's 5a3 2rand5o3m6 6n4ot t8r2u5e5 r5ai4n9b7o5w
18:01 specing ANy way to save /mods output to stdout?
18:02 MegafAtWork specing: why would you want that?
18:02 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, have you tried sfan5's suggestion?
18:03 MegafAtWork First, that's not a fix, it's a work around
18:03 MegafAtWork Second, yes, I did, and I just can't patch it
18:03 MegafAtWork if I do it by hand I get an error
18:03 PilzAdam I guess you should tell sfan5 about it
18:04 sfan5 MegafAtWork: which error?
18:04 MegafAtWork http://paste.debian.net/71218/
18:04 specing MegafAtWork: so I can get a checklist of mods to install on my own server
18:05 MegafAtWork specing: you could get it from the mods folder
18:05 iqualfragile Jordach: useless without shared data
18:05 sfan5 oh.. right curl was removed
18:05 sfan5 umm
18:05 sfan5 hm
18:05 MegafAtWork specing: I put mods in minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/
18:05 iqualfragile MegafAtWork: are you crazy?
18:05 iqualfragile or optionaly stupid?
18:05 MegafAtWork iqualfragile: Actually, yes, why?
18:06 iqualfragile mods belon in minetest/mods
18:06 MegafAtWork Just crazy
18:06 MegafAtWork so what?
18:06 MegafAtWork What's the difference?
18:06 MegafAtWork If I put a mod therem it's because I tested it already, and I like it
18:06 MegafAtWork s/therem/there
18:07 sfan5 MegafAtWork: remove the plus at the start of the line
18:07 MegafAtWork compiling it again
18:08 thexyz managed to craft a mese pick on android
18:08 specing MegafAtWork: I don't have access to the mods folder on that server
18:09 thexyz and there goes the bug with different item icons in inventory
18:10 MegafAtWork sfan5: it compiled
18:10 MegafAtWork will it blend?
18:10 sfan5 yes
18:10 MegafAtWork That is the question
18:11 specing So ... Is there a way to have /mods output printed to stdout?
18:12 MegafAtWork sfan5: PilzAdam: still not showing up, http://servers.minetest.net/
18:12 sfan5 MegafAtWork: output?
18:12 MegafAtWork its name should be TESTING - Megaf Till It Ends
18:13 MegafAtWork sfan5: http://paste.debian.net/71219/
18:13 sfan5 MegafAtWork: I can't help you then
18:13 sfan5 all the server returned was '{}'
18:13 sfan5 which means it announced correctly
18:13 MegafAtWork well, I'm not the only one with this issue
18:13 sfan5 you should probably tell thexyz that it doesn't work
18:14 MegafAtWork thexyz: It does not work
18:14 MegafAtWork =)
18:14 MegafAtWork And now things got really messy
18:14 MegafAtWork http://servers.minetest.net/
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18:14 MegafAtWork only one server there
18:14 chumchum got problem glitch: When i try to load world it says: ERROR[main]: Some exception: "Failed to create socket" and it says this onley whan i try to use minetest 0.4.8
18:15 thexyz I've just reset it
18:16 MegafAtWork oh dear
18:16 MegafAtWork you reset my maximum users online
18:16 thexyz yes that too
18:17 PilzAdam chumchum, do you use IPv6?
18:19 chumchum you mean the world generator IP6 or my pc's IP address?
18:20 MegafAtWork chumchum: IPv6, IP Version 6, IP Address :)
18:21 PilzAdam chumchum, do you try to connect to any server with IPv6?
18:22 chumchum No when i try to load the world from my pc i made it gives me: ERROR[main]: Some exception: "Failed to create socket"
18:23 PilzAdam can you set enable_ipv6 and ipv6_server to false in minetest.conf
18:26 thexyz chumchum: what's your OS?
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18:26 chumchum vista
18:29 LazyJ Howdy :) minetest.conf question - What is the purpose of server_dedicated = true/false?
18:30 PilzAdam LazyJ, its send to the serverlist
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18:32 LazyJ So "true" to send to server list? Or does it mean the computer that is running the Minetest server is or is not dedicated to the sole purpose of running Minetest?
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18:34 LazyJ And this isn't listed in the minetest.conf.example either so for a while I thought is was deprecated.
18:36 MegafAtWork specing: also, there is no way to control the server from console/terminal, you gave to be on the actual game
18:36 MegafAtWork thats a huge missfeature for me
18:37 MegafAtWork It would would be cool a really striped down version of minetest, with no GUI at all, just an input thing and a output log
18:37 MegafAtWork so you could enter commands and talk to people online
18:41 chumchum k any help?
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18:43 specing MegafAtWork: It is clear to me that minetest authors have never played quake in their life :(
18:44 MegafAtWork heh
18:44 MegafAtWork LazyJ: Ping
18:45 Peacock jesus every year they add more varieties of cold meds
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18:46 MegafAtWork Peacock: However, only one actually works
18:46 MegafAtWork Peacock: Time + Watter
18:47 Peacock yeah the one that says "extra strong" lol
18:47 Peacock ever had a wife with the cold? :P
18:47 MegafAtWork Peacock: not a wife yet
18:47 Peacock you are not a wife or you dont have one yet?
18:47 MegafAtWork However I quite live with her
18:47 MegafAtWork I have a girlfriend
18:48 chumchum 0.4.7 works but for some reason 0.4.8 doesn,t
18:48 MegafAtWork Today she has some bad sun burns :P
18:48 Peacock yeah i got that from "live with her" but the previous statement could have meant being or having :P
18:48 MegafAtWork s/:P/=(
18:49 MegafAtWork Peacock: so are you acutally married?
18:50 kahrl specing: I played Digital Paint 2, does that count?
18:50 kahrl also the original doom
18:50 Peacock the state considers us married when you live together for a year, it's been 3 and spare change
18:51 chumchum Lego minecraft products out now XD
18:54 chumchum Why can't i load worlds on my pc using v0.4.8 but v0.4.7 works?
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18:56 PilzAdam LazyJ, it means that you run a dedicated server, i.e. running mineteserver without the client
18:57 LazyJ Ah, thanks for the clarification, PilzAdam. :)
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19:01 chumchum minetest.conf very confusing
19:01 Peacock it's part of the game, a puzzle if you will :P
19:01 PilzAdam chumchum, not really
19:02 chumchum can't find anything its all jumbled Oglethorpe on my pc
19:02 chumchum woops
19:03 chumchum no spaces between options
19:04 Peacock what i find most confusing is how options are called enable_* and disable_* lol
19:04 PilzAdam there is only one disable_* option
19:04 PilzAdam (the discussion in -dev about naming settings was about that)
19:04 Peacock disable anticheat or rollback?
19:04 Peacock i forget which
19:05 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: get op and do /mode #Minetest +b *!*@91.210.101.*
19:05 MegafAtWork and
19:05 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: get op and do /mode #Minetest +b *!*@91.210.100.*
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19:05 Peacock i mean i understand that enable signifies its off by default and disable means it's on, but newbs might not get it as quickly
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19:06 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, wat?
19:06 thexyz MegafAtWork: why?
19:06 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: those are bots
19:07 MegafAtWork we are talking about that at #Freeenode
19:07 thexyz they aren't doing anything
19:07 MegafAtWork They are joing a lot of channels, including mine channels, http://paste.debian.net/71231/
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19:07 MegafAtWork thexyz: That's what they want you to think
19:07 thexyz lol
19:08 thexyz and what's the problem?
19:08 thexyz if they aren't doing anything
19:08 PilzAdam oh no! we have programms connecting to channels! freenode will break!
19:08 MegafAtWork I believe there is someone studying the channels looking for holes
19:08 MegafAtWork This happened before...
19:09 MegafAtWork Trust me, I've been using this network for at least 7 years
19:09 thexyz holes?
19:09 Jordach can i suggest enabling +R while freenode is under attack?
19:09 MegafAtWork [17:09] -NickServ- Registered : Feb 12 16:53:46 2006 (7 years, 44 weeks, 1 day, 02:15:17 ago)
19:09 PilzAdam let the ops of freenode kick them from the whole network if they are so threatening
19:09 thexyz well yes, that's freenode's problem
19:09 PilzAdam isnt it kinda stupid to go into all channels and tell the ops to ban them?
19:09 thexyz so let them deal with it
19:10 Peacock freenode is being attacked? by whom, the Ottomans?
19:10 Jordach well
19:10 Jordach the ip ranges match 91.210.xx.xx
19:10 MegafAtWork That's a channel operator problem too
19:10 thexyz how? they don't do anything
19:10 Jordach banning that explicit ip range should help
19:10 MegafAtWork that's what a channel operator is for,,,
19:10 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, thats what an IRC op is for
19:10 PilzAdam isnt it kinda stupid to go into all channels and tell the ops to ban them?
19:10 Peacock if freenode bans a range, it bans for every channel, so the ops dont need to worry about that
19:11 thexyz meh stop saying stupid things :(
19:11 thexyz this annoys me
19:11 thexyz freenode staff is here
19:11 thexyz and if they want us to ban bots then they can broadcast a message
19:11 Jordach thexyz, then volunteer
19:11 thexyz period.
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19:11 thexyz Jordach: why?
19:11 Jordach think about it
19:11 Jordach you can then stop complaining like a bitch
19:12 thexyz lol
19:12 thexyz u r so funny man
19:12 Peacock i tried volunteering for the Salvation Army once, they turned me down on the count of my flat feet :(
19:12 thexyz where am I complaining?
19:12 thexyz meh you got so irritating those days
19:12 Peacock opfight
19:12 thexyz I even was thinking about banning you for a week and then saying it was an error
19:12 Peacock lol
19:13 Peacock blame it on UK isp's, they're blocking all sorts of shit
19:13 thexyz I'm not even an op of this channel because of such shitty members of the community
19:13 Peacock lol i can understand that
19:14 thexyz MegafAtWork: your server seems to appear at the list, is the problem gone?
19:14 Peacock 3 years of hardware comparisons and google is evil speeches can drive anyone nuts
19:14 MegafAtWork Peacock: thexyz: You both really like a fight uh?
19:14 Jordach was kicked by thexyz: Kindergarten is elsewhere!
19:14 MegafAtWork thexyz: Nope, that server is running a build from 12 December 2013
19:14 PilzAdam <thexyz> I'm not even an op of this channel
19:14 Peacock Megaf: naw just intelligent debates :P
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19:14 MegafAtWork I couldnt get the todays build to apper that
19:14 Jordach i can still kill you from afar thexyz
19:14 thexyz MegafAtWork: really? I see it on the server list right now
19:15 thexyz Jordach: no you can't
19:15 Jordach /msg ChanServ BAN #minetest thexyz
19:15 thexyz you won't do this
19:15 MegafAtWork thexyz: let me get a clean code from master right now
19:15 PilzAdam isnt there an exception for ops?
19:15 MegafAtWork Jordach: can you please let thexyz help me?
19:15 Jordach MegafAtWork, sure
19:16 MegafAtWork Thanks
19:16 MegafAtWork thexyz: so, I'm downloading the latest source right now
19:16 thexyz it works right now
19:16 MegafAtWork then I will do the sfan5's patch
19:16 thexyz http://servers.minetest.net/
19:17 thexyz also that guest*** invasion is totally unnice
19:17 MegafAtWork thexyz: that's a build from 4 days ago
19:17 thexyz everyone with android device should report buildcraft and other 2 games
19:18 MegafAtWork thexyz: Ok, pay attention. The that is not working is from today, The Megaf Till It Ends you see there is a build from 4 days ago, that "old" build works
19:18 Jordach thexyz, i complained a while back, and you told me off for shitposting
19:18 Jordach despite I WAS RIGHT.
19:18 MegafAtWork s/The that/ The buid
19:18 thexyz because you weren't complaining but shitposting
19:18 thexyz and still don't understand it.
19:19 Jordach thexyz, i was pointing it out
19:19 thexyz MegafAtWork: oh, so the error only happens with the latest build?
19:19 thexyz of the server
19:20 MegafAtWork thexyz: I noticed it today
19:20 MegafAtWork a 4 days old code works
19:21 Peacock i wouldn't eat it after 5 days though
19:21 MegafAtWork All LazyJ's LinuxGaming.us servers and VanessaE's servers are gone from the list thexyz
19:21 MegafAtWork because they updated today
19:22 MegafAtWork LazyJ: told me hi tried the sfan5 patch but did not work either
19:24 LazyJ I haven't tried sfan5's patch.
19:24 MegafAtWork No?
19:25 MegafAtWork [17:17] <LazyJ> I haven't tried sfan5's patch.
19:25 MegafAtWork sorry, my fault
19:25 sfan5 MegafAtWork: my patch works around curl problems
19:25 sfan5 since we don't have curl anymore..
19:26 sfan5 thexyz: I can't detect buildcraft can I?
19:26 thexyz dunno
19:26 Jordach sfan5, 0.4.7 doesn't work with 0.4.8
19:26 Jordach that's how you know :P
19:26 thexyz probably not
19:26 thexyz check its protocol version and block all clients
19:26 thexyz that have it
19:26 Peacock youd prolly need some sort of get_versionstring thingy in the API
19:27 thexyz (ask them to update)
19:27 thexyz sfan5: why do you want to do that?
19:27 sfan5 I want to know how many of these guest clients on my server are buildcraft
19:27 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: thexyz sfan5 some stuff changed, like, there is not dedicated_server = boolean option anymore, minetestserver just cant create worlds anymore, servers.minetest.net is not working with latest builds
19:27 Peacock or maybe player:get_os()?
19:27 thexyz uh duh
19:28 thexyz sfan5: everyone with guest*** nickname
19:28 sfan5 because this http://pastie.org/private/97ejpqiuxfky74qvpzp5q
19:28 sfan5 (look at the cpu usage column)
19:28 thexyz no, I don't think there's a way to do that
19:28 LazyJ No curl?  So when compiling I don't need to add -DENABLE_CURL = 1?
19:28 thexyz well? it just proves minetest server is not the best piece of software made
19:29 sfan5 LazyJ: there is still curl
19:29 sfan5 but httpfetch it a wrapper(?) for it
19:30 sfan5 thexyz: do you think prollers optimisations (that are in freeminer) would help?
19:31 Peacock could try
19:31 MegafAtWork LazyJ: we could try freeminer
19:32 MegafAtWork well, I have no time for that
19:32 MegafAtWork I still have to solve some personal real life bugs and get back to work on my own OS
19:32 Peacock girlfriend segfaulted?
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19:33 MegafAtWork Peacock: about to be, some trouble in her work place
19:33 MegafAtWork gotta go and get her
19:34 MegafAtWork cya all
19:34 Peacock coworkers are always alot more pleasant when they don't exist
19:34 thexyz sfan5: they indeed help but the problem is on higher level
19:34 MegafAtWork indeed
19:34 thexyz and this will take longer to fix
19:37 thexyz but you can help it
19:42 sfan5 thexyz: I assume you mean running using valgrind and finding bottlenecks
19:52 thexyz sfan5: no, just rewrite the whole stuff to use threads
19:52 thexyz no need to find bottlenecks
19:52 thexyz it's clear what's wrong
19:52 sfan5 I'll still use callgrind anyway
19:52 Jordach threads are bs thexyz
19:53 Jordach because ARM, x86
19:53 thexyz sfan5: well maybe
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19:53 thexyz sfan5: just look at ServerThread::Thread
19:53 thexyz and then Server::AsyncRunStep
19:53 thexyz Jordach: wat
19:54 thexyz sfan5: and then, well, you'll also have to somehow deal with envlock
19:54 thexyz separate it into maplock and friends
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19:56 Jordach thexyz, some people still have shitty hardware
19:56 Jordach how about stop pushing latest EVERYTHING
19:56 thexyz and?
19:56 thexyz wat
19:56 thexyz sorry, I can't understand you
19:56 thexyz how are threads related to that?
19:56 Jordach because people still have pentium 4s
19:56 thexyz and?
19:57 thexyz sorry, but you have no idea on what you're speaking about
19:57 Jordach i'm speaking in human readable engrish, you aren't
19:58 * Calinou buys Jordach a pentium 5
19:58 Jordach ha
19:58 Jordach unfortunately, you'd have to buy me a new machine l;)
19:58 Jordach -l
19:58 Calinou <Jordach> how about stop pushing latest EVERYTHING
19:58 thexyz Jordach: so what was your point?
19:58 Calinou it usually doesn't slow down stuff
19:58 thexyz or maybe you're so stupid you don't actually understand what you're talking about
19:59 Jordach Calinou, people still use pentium 4 machines because they're cheap as chips
19:59 Calinou I don't remember the last non-optional feature that slowed things down...
19:59 Jordach i can get one for 40 eurps
19:59 thexyz and it's common to shit on one's grammar when you have nothing better to say, yeah
19:59 Peacock pentium 4 processor is about all that's left working in my old p4 box lol
19:59 Peacock though it was making funny noises this morning watching the Sopranos
20:00 Calinou Jordach, you can get a Celeron G1610 for 40 euros
20:00 Calinou or a Pentium G3220 for 60-65 euros
20:00 Calinou but that's the CPU only...
20:00 Calinou and I've seen used pentium 4 PCs for 40 euros :P
20:00 Jordach Calinou, that's exactly what i mean, except mine happens to be the rare hyperthreaded one with the NX_BIT :p
20:00 Peacock my p4 does that hyperthread bullshit
20:00 Calinou still single core
20:00 Peacock you must have had fun installing linux on that
20:00 Jordach Calinou, e64MT too :P
20:01 Calinou my atom is HT, but single core = slow
20:01 Calinou me too
20:01 Peacock atom n550 or 440?
20:01 Calinou n455
20:01 Peacock lemme check
20:01 Calinou Peacock, HT has no problem on linux here?
20:01 thexyz Jordach: so do you have anything constructive to add?
20:01 Jordach hyperthreads work for me too; htop reports 2 cpus
20:01 sfan5 thexyz: would it improve things to run every part in asyncRunStep in curly braces in a thread
20:01 thexyz or shall I explain why you are wrong?
20:02 thexyz sfan5: well I don't think it's that easy
20:02 Peacock same here
20:02 thexyz you should look at what this stuff locks
20:02 sfan5 thexyz: I did
20:02 thexyz not locks but actually uses
20:02 Peacock well maybe not HT, but the p4 gives me all sorts of weird messages/errors booting up
20:02 thexyz but yeah, basically this
20:02 sfan5 I want to know if I could improve things without that much works
20:02 sfan5 -s
20:03 thexyz sfan5: you can start by splitting AsyncRunStep and Receive
20:03 thexyz I think
20:03 thexyz but then you'll have to change the lock anyway
20:04 thexyz (also better ask hmmmmm)
20:06 thexyz oh he left
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20:06 PilzAdam oh he joined
20:06 Jordach don't you just fucking hate closing the wrong window
20:06 thexyz Jordach: stop ignoring me
20:07 Jordach thexyz, nobody gives a shit about ones opinion on the internet, esp. from a 4channer
20:07 PilzAdam Jordach, its not about his opinion
20:07 thexyz sfan5: but I'm afraid you'll have to rewrite hundreds of lines of code just to split asyncrunstep and receive
20:07 thexyz because everything just uses envlock, and everything is designed with envlock in mind
20:08 sfan5 who thought that would be a good idea?
20:09 thexyz Jordach: so do you have anything constructive to add? regarding your bullshit about multithreading?
20:10 Jordach thexyz, threading is only good if people have the ability
20:10 thexyz sfan5: how else would we do it?
20:10 thexyz Jordach: no, this is wrong
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20:11 Jordach thexyz, one thread cpus cannot have more than one thread
20:11 sfan5 thexyz: why lock the whole env when only m_clients are accessed
20:11 thexyz Jordach: no, this is wrong too
20:12 thexyz you basically said that we can't launch multiple apps on a single core
20:12 thexyz sfan5: well, that's true but there's more stuff, like map and entities
20:13 thexyz just processing clients usually is fast, isn't it?
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20:15 sfan5 wow.. L1 cache misses about ~ 95 %
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20:16 Megaf Hi there
20:16 sfan5 hi
20:17 Megaf Peacock, I save my girl
20:17 Megaf saved*
20:17 Peacock made backups?
20:17 Megaf not quite
20:17 Megaf I went there can got her stick with me
20:18 thexyz Jordach: anything else?
20:18 Calinou rm -rf girl
20:18 proller Jordach, my "made in china" phone have 4 cores...
20:18 Jordach you forgot the sudo part
20:18 Megaf Calinou, is good to gave a girl
20:18 * Jordach knows
20:18 Jordach ;)
20:18 Megaf Peacock, and I know that
20:18 Megaf Jordach, knows too :)
20:18 * MinetestBot looks around...
20:19 Calinou proller, most phones are made in china anyway... also some ARM cores are way more efficient than others
20:19 sfan5 Jordach: √phone
20:19 Jordach rooted phone
20:19 Jordach genius :P
20:19 Calinou <Megaf> I went there can got her stick with me
20:19 Calinou what do you mean?
20:19 Megaf My phone is made in Brazil :P
20:19 Megaf Calinou, I have no idea
20:19 * sfan5 cuddles MinetestBot
20:19 Jordach what is this? FirefoxOS?
20:20 Calinou better have a phone made in Isle of Man, by Mark Shuttleworth himself
20:20 iqualfragile sfan5: wtf? why that many chache misses?
20:20 * Jordach takes MinetestBot and hides in #Blender
20:20 sfan5 iqualfragile: dunno, you can usually expect much from intel cores
20:20 iqualfragile indeed
20:20 iqualfragile what did you test?
20:21 sfan5 minetestserver with full load
20:22 sfan5 iqualfragile: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/upload​/userdata/1/callgrind.out.15401
20:22 sfan5 open that in kcachegrind
20:22 thexyz Jordach: ok, I guess the argument is over then
20:22 thexyz sfan5: what is this?
20:23 sfan5 thexyz: output from valgrind --tool=callgrind
20:25 zash Does the engine support gravity in whatever direction? I'd like to see a game where you run around on a big ball of blocks held togeather by gravity
20:26 PilzAdam zash, no
20:28 Peacock zash see space enegineers
20:28 Peacock *engineers
20:29 Calinou only downwards (or maybe upwards...) gravity
20:29 Jordach upwards is possible
20:29 zash Peacock: zomg
20:29 Jordach except, good luck trying to go down again :P
20:30 thexyz sfan5: meh a lot of dependencies
20:30 thexyz it wants kdesu for example
20:30 sfan5 maybe there is another tool
20:31 thexyz http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs12/i/2006/299/a​/e/Rozen_Maiden___Suiseiseki_by_kuridoki.jpg
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20:32 thexyz well does it show anything interesting?
20:33 sfan5 dunno
20:33 sfan5 I don't know whats interesting and what's not
20:33 thexyz ah right
20:33 thexyz let me emerge it then
20:34 Calinou lol, #bitcoin has more people than #ubuntu
20:34 Peacock cant make money with ubuntu :P
20:34 Calinou Jordach, if it was toggleable it could be possible
20:41 thexyz c plus equality repo has got taken down
20:42 iqualfragile thexyz: emerge… hardcorenerd no.1 just revealed himself
20:42 iqualfragile Peacock: outch!
20:42 iqualfragile sfan5: why could that be? is minetest using some cachekilling data structures like hashmaps a lot?
20:42 Peacock im sure shuttleworths' feeling the burn lol
20:42 Peacock and im not talking richard simmons type burns lol
20:44 Megaf Say a number from 192.168.1.3 to 192.168.1.255
20:44 thexyz sfan5: why's your server so slow?
20:44 thexyz 192.168.1.3.14159265
20:44 iqualfragile Megaf: 42, obviously
20:44 Megaf iqualfragile, good choice, thanks
20:45 sfan5 thexyz: because valgrind is slows it down
20:45 sfan5 otherwise it is pretty fast
20:45 sfan5 iqualfragile: not that I know
20:45 Peacock val grinds  faster if you tuck a few notes in her knickers
20:47 thexyz sfan5: i mean, download speed
20:47 thexyz max was 100 kb/s or something
20:47 sfan5 oh
20:47 sfan5 I only have upload of 1 Mb/s
20:48 Megaf thexyz, how you measure that on my server?
20:48 thexyz I measure wat?
20:48 Megaf can you see test my upload speed?
20:48 Megaf megaf.minetest.info
20:49 Megaf well, I dont know what are you talking about exactly
20:49 Megaf <thexyz> max was 100 kb/s or something
20:49 thexyz uh? he gave a link to some file
20:49 Megaf ah
20:49 Megaf Ok, sorry
20:49 Megaf I though there was something to do with minetest
20:50 sfan5 Megaf: just quickly set up a http server and add a file that is big enough
20:50 thexyz nah, minetest is slow
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20:51 Megaf sfan5, not a good idea, it would lag my players
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20:59 pandaro hi all
20:59 Megaf Hi there
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21:05 iqualfragile thexyz: in germany its hard to get decently priced symetric connections
21:11 Calinou isn't symetric connection much slower in download<,
21:12 Calinou <thexyz> nah, minetest is slow
21:12 Calinou depends on what you do
21:12 * Jordach grumbles
21:12 thexyz trying to play it
21:12 thexyz when i'm just looking at its icon it of course doesn't feel slow
21:12 Jordach 11 mins until my thing finishes; and my luck is shit (bedtime so it has to wait...)
21:13 Calinou ...not funny
21:15 PilzAdam bye
21:15 thexyz what is?
21:17 thexyz well that's true
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21:48 iqualfragile Calinou: depends on which technik is used, for fiber it down and upload are in seperate fibercables so they can not hinder each other
21:48 Calinou talking about ADSL here
21:48 Calinou err, SDSL
21:50 iqualfragile iirc dsl uses seperate frequency bands for up and download, so yes, you would need to split the avivable spectrum
21:54 Miner_48er why are recently updated servers missing from the server list?
22:02 Megaf Miner_48er, nobody knows https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8018
22:03 sfan5 Megaf: there is a bug that prevents announcing in the latest version
22:03 sfan5 (dev version)
22:04 VanessaE hi
22:05 VanessaE *looks at server list*
22:05 VanessaE *looks at inchra channel*
22:05 Megaf Hi VanessaE
22:05 VanessaE yep, mine are surely up and running okay, despite not announcing :)
22:09 Peacock jesus <expletive> christ, it's a pain to CSS a file input button lol
22:10 VanessaE so use html?
22:10 VanessaE :)
22:11 Peacock "Choose Files" is the only button that doesn't look like the rest lol
22:11 Peacock html can't do what i did to the others :P
22:12 VanessaE strange, I had no trouble theming the buttons on my website with a bit of javascript + html, but then again they were just anchor links
22:13 Peacock see http://s24.postimg.org/6ecphmjxh/​Screenshot_161213_05_12_33_PM.png
22:14 Peacock that one white button is really out of place lol
22:15 VanessaE heh
22:15 VanessaE you trying to re-create LCARS or something?
22:15 VanessaE :)
22:15 Peacock well they wanted scifi lol
22:16 Peacock maybe i could just hide the button
22:18 Peacock though if they dont like that style i made 2 other stylesheets that work with the same JS/PHP so its all good :-)
22:19 VanessaE just have it pop up a dialog when someone clicks on the filename field.
22:19 VanessaE but some people hate that - makes it hard to copy the filename.
22:19 Peacock according to this, i can create a normal form and fake the file input: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6376452/​hide-the-browse-button-on-a-input-type-file
22:20 Peacock thank god for stacko., they didn't have that when i started out lol
22:20 VanessaE ikr
22:20 LazyJ Ah-hah! She's awake!
22:20 VanessaE they've saved me more time than I can co......
22:20 * VanessaE HIDES!
22:20 LazyJ Hehehe...
22:21 LazyJ Ok, now for the moment I've been waiting for!... about 20mins or so. ;)-
22:21 LazyJ Anyway, the glowlights from HomeDecor don't register in the logs or debug when place.
22:22 LazyJ We had a light-weight griefer plaster our spawn area with them but I couldn't track down the culprit in the logs.
22:22 Peacock all place nodes should be in the logs?
22:23 LazyJ Even with debug_level 4, no record of placement, digging, yes, placement, no.
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22:24 VanessaE they don't?
22:24 VanessaE I just use, I think, add_node() or set_node() to place the
22:24 VanessaE them*
22:24 VanessaE nothing special there
22:24 VanessaE they go through the rotate_and_place() call
22:24 LazyJ I tested in my singleplayer world, latest MT, latest HomeDecor, debug_level = 4, nada.
22:24 Peacock rotate and place is newer, maybe missing log statements
22:25 VanessaE indeed so, I didn't think to add any logging to that method
22:25 VanessaE use the rollback checker next time :)
22:25 Peacock well just copy the code from builtin for identical logs (OCD) lol
22:25 VanessaE that said,...
22:26 LazyJ I was able to deduce (wild guess mostly) who it was and used the rollback. That saved me about an hour of clean-up. The little rat spent an hour plastering the town. :/
22:26 VanessaE rotate_and_place() uses add_node() calls, so shouldn't it be logging it anyway?
22:26 VanessaE at least rollback should *definitely* be recording it
22:27 Peacock yeah add node should be making log entries :/
22:27 VanessaE LazyJ: use  /rollback_check 1 999999
22:27 VanessaE that'll tell you who the placer was
22:28 Peacock ideally all place node should be logged, and even some basic stats wouldn't be a bad idea for anticheat stuff
22:29 LazyJ Is there more documentation of rollback's tricks?
22:29 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix broken httpfetch due to SimpleThread removal 54dbd78f90 2013-12-16T14:31:56-08:00 http://git.io/U7B-ow
22:29 LazyJ /help rollback says something about  :actor   What's that?
22:30 Peacock well Peter O'Tool died, apart from that, dunno anything about actors :P
22:30 VanessaE LazyJ: not really too much.  it just tells you who, when, and where.   the 1 is the radius of the check, the 999999 was the time length, how far back to go
22:31 LazyJ Hmm... thanks. MT needs a user's manual.
22:31 Peacock we already have too many :P
22:31 LazyJ It would be nice to have a "For Dummies..." version for us laymen.
22:32 Peacock i always used lua api .txt, though it's sometimes inaccurate/outdated
22:32 LazyJ And that's another issue... outdated info.
22:32 Peacock i think there are two or more wikis, but i never used those
22:32 LazyJ Even the minetest.conf.example file has suffered that particular affliction.
22:32 Peacock trying to organize info leads to outdated shit all over the place :P
22:33 Peacock well as a rule of thumb, if someone changes the API, they should be responsible for updating the api.txt
22:33 Peacock most do
22:35 LazyJ Well, whenever MT get's more "settled" perhaps a user's guide will be more feasible.
22:40 VanessaE MT?  "settled"?
22:41 VanessaE surely you can't be serious.
22:47 LazyJ "Matured", perhaps?
22:47 VanessaE aged.
22:48 VanessaE like cheese :)
22:48 LazyJ How do other opensource projects get books written about them? (OpenOffice)
22:48 Sokomine lazyj: rollback_check used to be unusable due to its speed. now that it has been migrated to a database it is so fast that it can be used
22:48 VanessaE they become incredibly popular, enough so that everyone starts to need them
22:49 VanessaE openoffice is approaching that category
22:49 VanessaE everyone in business needs something like it
22:49 LazyJ I've been trying the rollback_check.
22:49 VanessaE if not it, then MS Office
22:49 LazyJ The results show the glowlights I removed but not who placed them earlier this afternoon.
22:49 VanessaE Sokomine: sadly, rollback check has become very slow again :(
22:49 VanessaE unless that has since been fixed.
22:49 VanessaE LazyJ: because you already fixed the problem.
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22:50 VanessaE LazyJ: grep the rollback log by hand
22:50 Sokomine vanessae: how's that? what happened?
22:50 VanessaE you can also find the culprit that way, in the future
22:50 LazyJ grep works on sqlite?
22:50 VanessaE Sokomine: no idea.  ShadowNinja thought maybe he missed something, but he wasn't clear at the time, what.
22:50 VanessaE LazyJ: aw crap that's right, it's sqlite now
22:50 VanessaE strike that :P
22:51 VanessaE in that case, I guess you'd have to write up a proper SQL query to search for the node name :P
22:51 * LazyJ tosses a stale cinnamon roll at VanessaE.
22:51 * VanessaE sprays it with a bit of water and microwaves it for a few seconds
22:51 VanessaE mmmmmm
22:51 khonkhortisan that actually works
22:51 LazyJ Damn... she knows *that* trick. ;)-
22:51 VanessaE yup :)
22:52 khonkhortisan I think there's an infomercial for that
22:52 LazyJ Also fresh bread in the cookie jar will soften even the hardest of cheap, store-brand cookies.
22:52 VanessaE oh yeah?
22:52 Sokomine lazyj: my inspector mod also helps with the grep of the rollback.txt. or used to with the old format. the new sqlite based rollback is much much better
22:52 LazyJ A sealed jar is best.
22:52 Sokomine soften cookies? why?
22:53 khonkhortisan there are some cookies you can't bite
22:53 LazyJ A single slice of bread will give off enough moisture but it sticks to the cookies around it.
22:53 LazyJ And are too big to dunk in your coffee cup.
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22:53 VanessaE mmmmmmm soft cookies
22:53 Sokomine i don't like it if bakery products get that way by taking in moisture. i prefer if they start getting dry and hard
22:53 VanessaE Sokomine: most cookies sold in this farcockta country here are hard as rocks :-/
22:54 khonkhortisan There's a certain lemon cookie I like, and it matters whether it's the soft kind or the hard kind. Now if only I could remember which I liked...
22:54 Sokomine hard as rocks? hm. i don't know if any cookies here are that hard
22:54 * LazyJ uses a hockey stick to shuttle a stale donut to Sokomine.
22:54 VanessaE yeah, they are
22:54 VanessaE you try to take a bite and you end up with handful of crumbs
22:54 diemartin greetings
22:54 VanessaE hey kazea
22:54 Sokomine donut...i think i don't like the dough(?) they're made out of
22:54 khonkhortisan hi k
22:54 VanessaE kaeza*
22:55 VanessaE some, like "Grandma's" brand, are soft as silk, on the other hand.
22:55 LazyJ afk to tend to laundry.
22:55 VanessaE donuts are made of different kinds of cakes and doughs though
22:55 VanessaE depends on who makes them
22:55 Sokomine all cookies i know of are best if they stay crunchy
22:55 VanessaE (I used to work at a donut shop)
22:55 khonkhortisan there's an excess supply of doughnut holes. The demand isn't high enough to keep up with the supply of byproduct from whole doughnuts.
22:56 Sokomine but if some get old and...er...not crunchy anymore, i'll pass them on to you :-)
22:56 Sokomine ah. thought they all had more or less the same dough
22:56 VanessaE Sokomine: crunchy is good for some kinds of cookies, like gingersnaps or oreos
22:56 VanessaE but for a peanut butter cookie or chocolate chip? fuck no :)
22:57 diemartin what's up?
22:57 VanessaE soft and chewy or gtfo :)
22:57 khonkhortisan brownie-like
22:57 Sokomine hm, we have some here that are called american cookies. those are diffrent from the normal ones
22:57 VanessaE Sokomine: trust me, whatever you have there is *not* gonna be genuine.
22:57 VanessaE :)
22:58 VanessaE khonkhortisan: no, more like ... fudge?
22:58 VanessaE hm, not sure how to describe the perfect consistency
22:58 khonkhortisan I know of fudgesicles, but not true fudge
22:59 VanessaE Sokomine: it's like what we have here of "Chinese" food is nothing like real Chinese food at all (and some stuff so-called isn't even of Chinese origin, like a fortune cookie)
22:59 khonkhortisan Only the so-called chinese would get away with putting a message in your food
23:00 VanessaE khonkhortisan: if you are ever in the Tarpon Springs, FL area, there's this little fudge shop on Dodecenese St., I forget the name of it now (Fudge Factory maybe?) that makes the best damn stuff I've ever had.  It's like a solidified orgasm.
23:01 VanessaE excuse me, Dodecanese Blvd.
23:01 VanessaE khonkhortisan: actually, those "lucky numbers" and the whole fortune cookie bit are of Japanese origin.
23:02 khonkhortisan we can call them oriental fortune cookies then
23:02 VanessaE the Chinese know virtually nothing of fortune cookies, let alone the message buried therein
23:03 Sokomine vanessae: *nod* although i can imagine that those kind of cookies might be popular in the us. they're pretty large and chocolate-rich
23:04 VanessaE Sokomine: possibly.
23:04 VanessaE the most popular cookies here are chocolate chip, followed closely by classic Oreo, I guess
23:05 Sokomine oreo exists here as well, but it's far from normal cookies
23:06 Sokomine ah yes! the image that comes up as "chocolate chips" on wikipedia (the second one) shows what's sold here as "american cookies"
23:06 Sokomine or, more precisely, chocolate chips cookie seems to be the therm
23:07 Sokomine very deliscious cookies: http://www.amazon.de/Delacre-Tea-Time-Geb%C3​%A4ckmischung-1000/dp/B006IT0JXA/ref=sr_1_sc​_1/279-9983174-2481725?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=13872​35221&amp;sr=8-1-spell&amp;keywords=delacrie
23:09 Sokomine very typical cookie, kind of the prototype in childhood (also used for a special "false hound" cake): http://www.amazon.de/Leibniz-Butterkeks-3​er-Pack-Packung/dp/B004BL9D16/ref=sr_1_3/​279-9983174-2481725?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=13872​35287&amp;sr=8-3&amp;keywords=butterkeks
23:10 Sokomine or, standard cookies (very common ones): http://www.amazon.de/Gut-G%C3%BCnstig-Geb%C3%​A4ckmischung-500/dp/B00545E3H2/ref=sr_1_2/276​-5100441-5759337?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1387235378&a​mp;sr=8-2&amp;keywords=geb%C3%A4ckmischung
23:10 Sokomine sorry for scrolling
23:10 Sokomine but that's pretty much what i'd consider deliscious cookies here :-) (those web servers serve don't taste! :))
23:13 VanessaE those sorts are sold here too
23:14 VanessaE usually as "specialty" cookies
23:14 VanessaE http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons​/b/b9/Chocolate_Chip_Cookies_-_kimberlykv.jpg
23:14 VanessaE typical of what you'll find here
23:14 VanessaE *reaches unsuccessfully at the screen&*
23:14 VanessaE WANT
23:15 VanessaE http://shaunasever.com/wpshauna/wp-content/u​ploads/image-import/_gv2ZOLiWKJg/SxG_gd1wvTI​/AAAAAAAABe8/UviVgTqW4NU/s1600/DSC05257.JPG
23:15 VanessaE and this
23:15 VanessaE http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi​a/commons/3/3e/Oreo-Two-Cookies.jpg
23:15 VanessaE and this
23:16 Sokomine ah yes. the first picture shows what's sold here as american ones. so the name does fit at least there :-)
23:17 Sokomine the second ones look like haferkekse. ikea sells them...
23:17 Sokomine hafer..don't know the term. it's what horses etc. like to eat
23:17 VanessaE such cookies, if not overcooked, are about as soft as, say, a rolled-up newspaper
23:17 VanessaE with a bit of a crispy surface
23:18 VanessaE if overcooked, they come out crunchy all the way through
23:18 VanessaE hafer --> hay or straw
23:18 VanessaE oats actually
23:18 VanessaE those second ones are oatmeal cookies
23:18 Sokomine oats may fit, yes
23:19 VanessaE the third ones of course are Oreo® cookies :)
23:19 VanessaE (which I personally don't like unless they're dunked and well-soaked in milk)
23:19 Sokomine and, of course, in christmas time, we usually have plaetzchen. the actual kind may vary from family to family
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23:21 VanessaE oh yes
23:21 VanessaE sugar cookies
23:21 VanessaE I forgot about those
23:21 VanessaE or at least that's what comes up first for me
23:21 Sokomine what are these?
23:22 VanessaE plaetzchen:  http://www.wir-backen.de/files/back​en/image/einfache-plaetzchen-3.jpg
23:22 Sokomine *nod* except those are much thicker than the ones i prefer
23:22 VanessaE these look like "sugar cookies", but without the final sugar covering on top
23:23 Megaf there should be a way to reduce minetest servers packets size
23:23 VanessaE I see what look like gingerbread cookies in here too
23:23 Megaf and reduce its latency
23:23 VanessaE http://www.blogdaluisa.com.br/wp-con​tent/uploads/2012/12/plaetzchen.jpeg
23:23 Sokomine some people put sugar on them. or schokostreusel (chocolate...er..in small sticks) or other decorative sugar items. especially if very young kids are present
23:24 VanessaE the problem isn't the packet size, Megaf.  the problem is the amount of time the server spends doing other stuff between sending out packets, and the amount of time spent processing that which has been received.
23:24 Sokomine what's wrong with the packet size? even a mapblock does not seem to be particulary large?
23:24 Megaf That's another problem
23:24 VanessaE the actual network bandwith used by the packets is tiny, on the order of 531 kbps across five servers, for me.
23:25 Megaf Yep, I dont quite understand, minetest was meant to be small and fast, to run on old hardware
23:25 Megaf O got a 8 core xeon CPU with 10 mbps of upload
23:26 Megaf I got*
23:26 Megaf and still not fast enough
23:26 Sokomine hm, yes, but gingerbread usually comes in cookie form. with some kind of thin sugar coating. it's usually larger than a plaetzchen
23:26 VanessaE I see spikes into the 3.35 Mbps (335 kBytes/sec) range here and there in my graphs, from first-connect media fetching, but that's nginx, not minetest.
23:26 Sokomine it takes forever to load a decent part of the map of a server over network. i suspect it is sent by pidgeon carrier
23:27 Megaf yep
23:27 Megaf that's one huge issue, map takes ages to load
23:29 proller minetests network part designed for 1-player multiplayer
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23:29 VanessaE tcp over avian carrier?
23:29 VanessaE http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt
23:29 Megaf VanessaE, proller sfan5 ShadowNinja https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=122252#p122252
23:30 proller Megaf, if you want faster server - try freeminer
23:31 Megaf proller, Ok then
23:31 Megaf very well
23:31 Megaf proller, give me the github link
23:31 proller https://github.com/freeminer/freeminer
23:31 VanessaE proller: unfortunately, freeminer has its bugs too :(
23:32 proller but now bit better
23:32 Megaf proller, how to you call freeminer? A Minetest fork?
23:33 proller also i trying to make faster connection.cpp
23:33 Megaf kahrl, ping
23:33 proller maybe will commit in next 1-2 days
23:34 kahrl pong
23:34 Lunatrius *rollback list
23:34 Megaf kaeza, is that already part of the master branch?
23:34 Megaf ops
23:34 proller now tooo many packet resends, useless pps limiter, ....
23:34 Megaf kahrl, is that already part of the master branch?
23:34 kahrl yes
23:34 Megaf kaeza, so if I get the latest master branch it will have the fix already, correct?
23:35 kahrl edited the post to say so
23:35 kahrl yes
23:35 Lunatrius Never mind that, accidentally /AMSG'd it :(
23:36 Megaf thanks kahrl! I'm gonna test that now
23:39 Megaf compiling it
23:42 ShadowNinja Megaf: Freeminer has a lot of lag, bugs, and very high memory usage.  We also can't support it... (From reports by others, I haven't actually used it. But the idea behing the fork is merging without much review, which makes sense.) It does have a patch of two that improve things though, although one in a bad way.
23:43 ShadowNinja behind* or*
23:43 Megaf ShadowNinja, Don't worry, I will not leave minetest =)
23:45 Megaf kahrl, Ok, I cant test
23:45 Megaf I will post another bug
23:46 Taoki Hello. Is it possible to make sure that a given command is run when you close a formspec window? Even if you close it by pressing "esc"
23:47 diemartin Taoki, use if fields.quit then ...
23:48 Taoki ok, thanks
23:50 Sokomine ah yes, there's a bug report for my locks mod regarding that issue
23:53 Megaf ShadowNinja, kahrl, sfan5, https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=122256#p122256
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23:56 Taoki diemartin: Doesn't seem to work if I use minetest.show_formspec. Any way for that too?
23:56 Taoki I need an on_rightclick event with the formspec
23:56 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Improve worldedit.spiral and the WorldEdit GUI, https://gi 2013-12-16T15:55:56-08:00 http://git.io/_52djg
23:56 Taoki So other code is executed when I open it
23:57 kahrl Megaf: try ./minetestserver --info
23:57 Megaf kaeza, I just edited there, with --verbose
23:58 Megaf --info shows the same as verbose
23:58 Megaf ops
23:58 Megaf not
23:58 Megaf it doest
23:59 kahrl well --verbose is fine too (shows even more)
23:59 diemartin Taoki, strange. can you paste the relevant on_receive_fields?

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