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00:10 Pilcrow I just finished adding pieces of sapiers monorail mod to PilzAdam's carts mod. bit of a frankensteinian mess, but I finally have real item-storage carts with a chest-like inventory...  :)
00:11 VanessaE cool
00:11 VanessaE make them work with pipeworks' tubes :D
00:11 VanessaE car rolls along rails, parks next to a filter/injector, and out goes its inventory on command :D
00:13 VanessaE cart*
00:14 Pilcrow that would be harder. I think I'd need a new filter/injector-type node - or at least a heavy alteration of the current one - since the cart is an entity with a uniquely named detached inventory... the filter would have to detect the entity and read its ID in order to find the right inventory...
00:14 kaeza Exio4, because excessive parentheses are gay
00:14 VanessaE I was only joking :)
00:15 kaeza hi
00:15 VanessaE hey kaeza
00:15 kaeza sup? :P
00:15 VanessaE zip, zero, zilch, and a whole lotta nada.
00:16 kaeza heh
00:16 kaeza been a boring sunday
00:16 VanessaE yep
00:17 kaeza plus 30 feking degrees here ;_;
00:17 Pilcrow VanessaE: I thought of it, honestly. I'd love to make this thing pipeworks-compatible. it'll just take more time.
00:18 * VanessaE gives some treats to her little crackhe...erm..cat
00:18 VanessaE (I swear, she is an addict!)
00:19 Pilcrow I doubt anyone would want this mess of code right now, anyway. needs some major code cleanup. I copied all kinds of functions from sapier's mod, some of which are probably entirely unused...  ;)
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00:23 sapier why did you move my code to pilzadams mod? their'mechanics don't have anything in common?
00:24 sapier and by the way I'm not very amused about relabeling my code to be pilzadams mod ;-P
00:26 sapier ohh you only used the chest code .. ol sorry didn't read enough :-)
00:28 Pilcrow sapier: because monorails wouldn't work right for me. I'll give it a try later, but they kept getting stuck on corners. besides, the friends I play with didn't want to switch, but everyone agreed the storage capabilities were better...  :)
00:29 sapier stuck on corners? seriously? thought that one was fixed ages ago ... guess I need to add a "run on rails switch"
00:30 Pilcrow yeah, it seems when the track turns, the cart still tries to go straight and then keeps warping back to the corner, never turning.
00:31 sapier anything around that corner?
00:31 Pilcrow nope, completely flat ground
00:31 sapier seriously?
00:31 Pilcrow yep
00:31 sapier that's exactly what I tried?
00:32 sapier how fast is it going?
00:32 Pilcrow made a giant stone platform with worldedit just to test it.
00:32 sapier you didn't only use booster rails did you?
00:32 Pilcrow how fast? even a simple punch will make it do that. on normal rails, not power/brake.
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00:34 Pilcrow might possibly be interference with another mod though.
00:35 sapier I'll have a try last time I tried that did even work if it was running down/up next to corner
00:37 Pilcrow I do have an outdated mesecons I think, as well as a few other mods that might possibly interfere with the code somehow, but it was on normal rails...
00:37 sapier mesecons doesn't have any effect on trackfinding
00:38 sapier no other mod should have any effect on trackfinding
00:38 sapier the only thing that might have effect is a server running on 100% load
00:43 Pilcrow well, I just tried again and the problem has disappeared, but it shouldn't have been 100% load. it was being hosted by my crappy laptop with a 2.3Ghz dual-core and radeon 4250, but there were only 2 of us connected when it happened, and both were just standing on the platform testing out the carts...
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00:54 Pilcrow not to dis your work, sapier, but I prefer the 'feel' of pilzadam's carts anyway. perhaps it's just because I'm used to that one, but I just wanted storage carts, not a whole new mod. I'd miss the movement, controls, and power rail implementation, as well as the simplistic cart look. yours just does too much, too differently, for my taste...
00:57 sapier you know monorail has booster rail, breaks, mesecon stopper/starter as well as mesecon powered switches too?
00:58 sapier even presence detector node is available
00:58 sapier guess I really should add a minecart lookalike switch
01:01 Pilcrow yes, I do. I just prefer the fact that in pilzadam's mod power and brake rails are seperate nodes treated as normal rails when they have no mesecon power, rather than flip-flopping and becoming brakes when not powered. I also like left-clicking to start the cart moving, right-clicking to get in or access storage, and sneak-clicking to pick the cart up...
01:01 sapier if you don't have mesecons they are different rails
01:03 leo_rockway the last few builds of minetest have caused segfaults for me. I don't see anything about this in the forum. Anybody experienced this too?
01:04 leo_rockway minetest runs, when I try to start a game, it segfaults
01:04 Pilcrow sapier: I know, but I like mesecons, and the way the carts mod works when mesecons is installed.  :)
01:05 kaeza leo_rockway, hey
01:05 Pilcrow leo_rockway: I can't help, but I know someone else mentioned it yesterday, so you're not alone.
01:05 leo_rockway kaeza: \ø hi
01:05 kaeza I believe somebody reported that already on #-dev
01:06 leo_rockway I try to build daily. I think it started 3 days ago or so.
01:06 kaeza hmm, no the segfaults that were reported were on Win32
01:07 leo_rockway mmhhh... I just tried starting a different map and it runs just fine
01:07 leo_rockway the one that segfaulted is a new map
01:07 leo_rockway with mapgen indev
01:08 leo_rockway I just deleted it, created a new one with v6 and it works fine
01:08 leo_rockway then created a new one with indev and... segfault
01:08 leo_rockway so indev seems to be the problem
01:11 leo_rockway I just see a flower floating... o.o
01:12 kaeza http://irc.minetest.ru/minet​est-dev/2013-12-03#i_3469876
01:13 leo_rockway I just saw*
01:13 leo_rockway I can reproduce the segfault with indev
01:13 kaeza may want to shout that in #-dev
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01:15 leo_rockway kaeza: thanks =]
01:16 kaeza yay I can reproduce that too
01:16 kaeza np
01:17 iqualfragile sapier: ich hab mal das monorail-dingen probiert:
01:17 iqualfragile neither did any monorail or monorail-cart show up in the creative inv
01:17 sapier ok also die version die in der mmdb is is schwachsinn da hab ich versehentlich ne uraltversion hochgeladen
01:17 iqualfragile nor did it not crash when i gave myself a pushable_block
01:17 iqualfragile aah, k
01:17 kaeza oh it does not crash anymore... wtf
01:18 sapier is mir grad aufgefallen als ich die auf default carts umstellen wollt
01:19 iqualfragile dann update mal
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01:24 VanessaE iqualfragile: care to submit a pull request to technic to make its machines use those pipeworks textures you goaded me into making? :)
01:24 VanessaE (the tube connections)
01:25 iqualfragile bad timing, its 2:30 around here and i need some sleep, just finishing some assignments
01:27 Pilcrow I should really look into technic.
01:27 VanessaE aw :(
01:27 VanessaE Pilcrow: you'll like it
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01:31 Inocudom What are the specifics of the new desert temples?
01:32 Anshinin joined #minetest
01:32 Anshinin Hello
01:32 VanessaE the new desert temples?
01:32 VanessaE O.o
01:32 Pilcrow ah, I see why I never tried it now. it depends on moretrees. moretrees is a cool concept, but makes my computer lag badly. not sure why. maybe it's the leaves...
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01:32 Inocudom Hello. Desert temples were added to Minetest recently.
01:32 VanessaE you mean the thing hmmmm was proposing?
01:33 OldCoder Anshinin, welcome
01:33 Anshinin Thanks
01:33 OldCoder VanessaE, iqualfragile, thexyz this is Anshinin
01:33 VanessaE hi Anshinin
01:33 Inocudom He proposed the temples?
01:33 Anshinin Hello
01:33 OldCoder He is sort of an... associate... of mrtux from the past
01:33 OldCoder Anshinin, you will most likely be able to build your own clients
01:33 Inocudom And I see that you are here, OldCoder.
01:33 OldCoder Eventually, servers and mods too
01:34 OldCoder Hm?
01:34 OldCoder Inocudom, I have been here for 1.5 years
01:34 Anshinin Build clients?
01:34 VanessaE Inocudom: there was a proposal, but I don't see any code here to add it.  I guess there was the idea to basically create sandstone dungeons.
01:34 iqualfragile everybody say hello to Anshinin
01:34 OldCoder Anshinin, One step at a time. Have fun.
01:34 OldCoder Eh
01:34 VanessaE meanwhile, install Blockmen's Pyramids mod.
01:34 sapier ok monorail in mmdb now really is monorail and not some years outdated prototype
01:34 iqualfragile hi Anshinin, i am iqualfragile, i build the mmdb
01:34 Anshinin mmdb? what's that?
01:34 OldCoder Anshinin, I am an op and a server host
01:35 VanessaE Minetest Mod Database
01:35 Inocudom Sandstone dungeons are a good idea (and desert stone really needs to go deeper underground.)
01:35 Anshinin Oh cool
01:35 OldCoder VanessaE writes great mods
01:35 VanessaE aw *blush*
01:35 sapier the online modstore within minetest
01:35 OldCoder The best
01:35 iqualfragile sapier: contains .git
01:35 OldCoder sapier is a core dev and a mod author
01:35 Anshinin what kind of mods are there for minetest
01:35 OldCoder iqualfragile has a Bash Bot!
01:35 Anshinin its been so long since ive played
01:35 mrtux Anshinin, VanessaE is the queen of minetest mods basically
01:35 OldCoder Anshinin, animals, technic for windmills, UFOs
01:35 iqualfragile ah, right, yes i do have a bash bot
01:35 OldCoder You name it
01:35 Inocudom Mobf is the best animals and monsters mod for Minetest there is.
01:35 OldCoder Bash Bot is Hot!
01:36 sapier fixed
01:36 VanessaE Anshinin: there's everything from just random blocks to whole games,.  I mean you name it, we probably have it
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01:36 VanessaE mrtux: I am? O.o
01:36 mrtux yes
01:36 Anshinin That's awesome
01:36 OldCoder http://minetest.net/mods
01:36 OldCoder https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?id=11
01:36 katyusha Haven't visited this place before actually..
01:36 OldCoder sapier makes cows
01:36 Anshinin Lemme download it
01:36 * OldCoder likes cows
01:36 katyusha VanessaE, aren't you the person that makes all those mods? :P
01:36 Inocudom Minetest still has such great potential, but the community seems very quiet these days.
01:37 kaeza hai katyusha
01:37 VanessaE I've made several, yes
01:37 OldCoder Inocudom, quiet can be good
01:37 katyusha hey
01:37 VanessaE Inocudom: quiet can equate to "stable"
01:37 OldCoder VanessaE, others; Anshinin is also a former associate of katyusha
01:37 OldCoder Yes
01:37 OldCoder Stable can be nice sometimes
01:37 VanessaE and stable is goo
01:37 VanessaE good*
01:37 OldCoder Goo too
01:37 OldCoder :P
01:37 Inocudom It can be in the sense of less trolls and griefers, but not so much if most servers are empty.
01:37 mrtux i just build minetest whenever
01:38 VanessaE oh the servers are definitely far from empty
01:38 OldCoder Inocudom, the worlds will rise again
01:38 VanessaE or at least, they're far from idle anyway
01:38 Inocudom Minerealms has a lot of players. That I do know.
01:38 Sokomine hi inocudom
01:38 * Pilcrow likes cows too, OldCoder  :)
01:38 OldCoder Sokomine, Is Redcrab World still up? When it dies I intend to host it
01:38 VanessaE OldCoder: I sense a "fallen" or "south" in there somewhere :D
01:38 Inocudom Hello Sokomine.
01:38 Sokomine hi oldcoder, hi vanessa
01:38 VanessaE it is still alive, yes
01:38 OldCoder VanessaE, Hm?
01:38 katyusha hey Sokomine
01:38 VanessaE hey soko
01:38 Sokomine oldcoder: that is very nice of you. it is still up
01:39 Anshinin where can i find the newest version of minetest
01:39 OldCoder Sokomine, O.K.
01:39 katyusha Anshinin, minetest,net
01:39 katyusha *.net
01:39 OldCoder Anshinin, I can link you to a client... but mine is a month old
01:39 Sokomine my last mail to redcrab didn't provoke a reply :-( but the server is running
01:39 Inocudom Fess, sfan5, and BlockMen make dev builds.
01:39 OldCoder Mine are faster but try official first
01:39 kaeza well, the servers on the other #minetest is quite active :P
01:39 OldCoder Sokomine, I want the world!
01:39 OldCoder Let me know
01:39 Sokomine the mobf cows are grea
01:39 kaeza s/is/are/
01:39 OldCoder When I can have it
01:39 VanessaE OldCoder: "The south will rise again" == the old cry from the Confederacy.  "The Fallen shall rise again." == the warning from a defeated Decepticon in one of the recent Transformers movies.
01:39 OldCoder VanessaE, Ah!
01:39 OldCoder Our worlds will be more like:
01:40 OldCoder "There shall be a bit of fun"
01:40 VanessaE works for me :D
01:40 OldCoder Sokomine, I will try disabling Nether on Mjolnir
01:40 Anshinin minetest is open!
01:40 Anshinin weeee
01:40 Inocudom None of your servers are in the public list, OldCoder. It is easier to find servers when they are.
01:40 OldCoder There is a theory that Nether is responsible for the problems there
01:40 OldCoder Inocudom, I am in transition
01:40 Sokomine hi katyusha
01:40 katyusha Hello Sokomine, I am xoma
01:40 Inocudom Redcrab's main server isn't in the public list either.
01:40 OldCoder Inocudom, definitely moving forward... building a new framework
01:41 katyusha I'm sure you saw me a couple of times around
01:41 OldCoder I intend to run 10 to 20 of the best world
01:41 OldCoder worlds *
01:41 Inocudom Glad to hear it, OldCoder.
01:41 OldCoder Hmm... I had best restart 4 of them now!
01:41 Anshinin So
01:41 iqualfragile yay, monorail is fun
01:41 Anshinin what should i do now
01:41 OldCoder Build
01:41 Anshinin you guys have servers right
01:41 VanessaE I have 5 of them
01:41 Anshinin or should i try offline first
01:41 OldCoder Either
01:41 iqualfragile but textures are bad
01:42 Sokomine oldcoder: might be a good idea. neather didn't play a significant role in that world anyway. it takes ages to dig there, and people seldom build
01:42 VanessaE offline/singleplayer is a good way to learn
01:42 katyusha Anshinin, you know I'm glad that you came now because I'm visiting channels I haven't gone to before and seeing some familiar faces.
01:42 Pilcrow so.. much.. conversation!  :P
01:42 OldCoder Anshinin, I have 20 worlds but only 4 are up ATM
01:42 katyusha Anyway Anshinin, I like landrush's server
01:42 Inocudom Calinou used to run a server himself, but then he left it. New players that go there get stuck in the spawn area. I played on that server last year.
01:42 Anshinin I'll try landrush
01:42 Sokomine we can't bring redcrabs server to the public list without redcrabs help i'm afraid
01:42 Anshinin since its in the public
01:42 OldCoder I have Calinou world now Inocudom
01:42 katyusha though don't build too close to me because I'm already completely surrounded by people on there :p
01:42 OldCoder Sokomine, Not true. I could simply clone the world
01:42 VanessaE Sokomine: at least he's still keeping the domain alive
01:42 Sokomine at least his world would run fine with current mt - as long as the mods are taken care of
01:42 VanessaE OldCoder: the problem is that ^^^^
01:43 OldCoder Which is why I want the map now
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01:43 OldCoder So that I can debug before the original world dies
01:43 VanessaE you'd have to get redcrab.suret.net 30401 to point to your IP
01:43 OldCoder Nope
01:43 Sokomine katyusha: *nod* i sometimes don't pay too much attention to chat (especially when building/digging/exploring), but i remember your name :-)
01:43 OldCoder I would simply post RedCrabRedux
01:43 OldCoder Done
01:43 Inocudom Yes, I do know that. However, I don't know if the spawn area can be escaped or not there.
01:43 VanessaE true
01:43 OldCoder Inocudom, I am going to delete that
01:43 Anshinin oops
01:43 Anshinin this version is 2 old
01:43 OldCoder It is annoying to keep rescuing people
01:43 Anshinin 0.4.8 is the new one i guess
01:43 OldCoder Anshinin, Try mine then
01:44 OldCoder Wait briefly
01:44 Anshinin Ok
01:44 katyusha Sokomine, I'm glad lol.  We never talked much but I saw a familiar face when I came on here :p
01:44 VanessaE Anshinin: it's recommended that you use a development build if you can, but 0.4.8 should work on most servers for now
01:44 OldCoder THis is a month old but will work with my worlds and some of the others. It is large but has music.
01:44 VanessaE (we move fast :D  0.4.x-stable tends to become outdates quickly :D )
01:44 Sokomine inocudom: calinous old world is hosted by oldcoder as well. it can still be visited! i have a small farm there
01:44 Inocudom The spawn area? That sounds great. If you can update Calinou's world to the latest version and upsdate its mods too, it could have life again.
01:44 OldCoder http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131114.zip
01:44 iqualfragile VanessaE: you are hosting a server, arent you?
01:44 OldCoder Inocudom, My copy is the latest AFAIK
01:45 VanessaE iqualfragile: 5 of them, on a Linode instance.
01:45 Anshinin ok I'll download that OldCoder
01:45 OldCoder Anshinin, Try that link but be warned; about 35 MB in size
01:45 OldCoder And may not work. But try it. You can visit my worlds:
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01:45 iqualfragile VanessaE: yes, so: do you have any problems with them not notifying the masterserver?
01:45 OldCoder Server is minetest.org
01:45 OldCoder Ports are:
01:45 VanessaE iqualfragile: nope.
01:45 OldCoder Octuteam World Port 30004
01:45 iqualfragile VanessaE: i get shittons of 02:17:00: ERROR[ServerThread]: Serverlist at url servers.minetest.net error (Timeout was reached)
01:45 OldCoder Zegaton (needs things fixed) Port 30015
01:46 VanessaE iqualfragile: everyone gets that
01:46 OldCoder Pripyat (a real city!) Port 30017
01:46 VanessaE it's non-fatal
01:46 Inocudom I think it would be a good idea if the master server could have sublists.
01:46 Pilcrow VanessaE: 0.4.8-stable is still mostly up-to date so far, isn't it?  :P
01:46 OldCoder Mjolnir (I need to fix the slow part) Port 30018
01:46 iqualfragile yes, but for me that actually equals to not beeing listed
01:46 VanessaE Pilcrow: "mostly" :P
01:46 OldCoder Lots more will returjn
01:46 OldCoder Lots more will return *
01:46 OldCoder
01:46 VanessaE iqualfragile: weird
01:47 Inocudom OldCoder, are you aware of the new shaders that RealBadAngel added to Minetest? They are very nice shaders.
01:47 Sokomine regarding the landrush server: i don't like the landclaim mod there as it attacks and even auto-bans players for "griefing" - griefing as in picking plants with the server beeing too slow to tell you in advance that that piece of nature is owned. but the players are very friendly and build in high quality
01:47 OldCoder Inocudom, I will presently update
01:47 OldCoder Are they in the main branch yet?
01:47 katyusha btw OldCoder, what do your builds do compared to the official?
01:47 OldCoder katyusha, faster
01:47 OldCoder Plus they have the cache
01:47 Inocudom Yes, the shaders are in the main branch.
01:47 OldCoder Much larger to download
01:47 OldCoder But music is there
01:47 OldCoder Inocudom, I will update this month and add more mod fixes
01:48 Anshinin Oops
01:48 Anshinin did i miss something
01:48 Sokomine pripyat...wasn't that the town that had...some...problems with a reactor too close nearby?
01:48 OldCoder Heh
01:48 Anshinin i was putting my contacts in
01:48 OldCoder Dead City
01:48 katyusha will that work on the landrush server OldCoder, it runs 0.4.8
01:48 OldCoder katyusha, My next build will. The current one might.
01:48 katyusha Ok
01:48 OldCoder It is about 3 weeks old.
01:48 katyusha eh shouldn't make too big of a difference
01:48 OldCoder I need to finish rebuilding my Linux distro.
01:48 OldCoder We will see.
01:48 katyusha doesn't seem too old
01:48 OldCoder It was right before some big changes
01:48 iqualfragile VanessaE: nah, was just own stupidity
01:49 Sokomine oldcoder: regarding mjolnir: the server owner did not manage to combat the lag, but i'm sure it can be done somehow. but there are only a few good buildings. importing them to another world may be a better solution
01:49 VanessaE oh you got it going?
01:49 katyusha so... are you gonna go to bash 4 yet OldCoder? :P
01:49 iqualfragile VanessaE: yes
01:49 iqualfragile mineguild.de
01:49 VanessaE good
01:49 Sokomine three weeks can be a lot regarding mt
01:49 Inocudom oOChainLynxOo still does videos for Minetest. You should check him out on Youtube sometime, OldCoder.
01:50 OldCoder Sokomine, I will delete nether and see
01:50 VanessaE what the?  there are actually people on my survival server? O_O
01:50 OldCoder katyusha, not likely
01:50 iqualfragile well, anyways, i am going to sleep now
01:50 OldCoder Inocudom, thank you
01:50 OldCoder iqualfragile, good night!
01:50 VanessaE Inocudom: he did one of my Nostalgia server recently
01:50 OldCoder Sokomine, if you will make schemes that will help
01:50 Sokomine vanessa: there are usually plenty :-) i see them mostly in irc
01:50 iqualfragile VanessaE: i do not think runing 4 servers in paralel is a good idea, but i will elaborate on that tomorrow evening
01:50 Inocudom You are welcome. oOChainLynxOo is a good person to have around.
01:51 Anshinin how do i run this oldcoder
01:51 Anshinin wait nvm
01:51 Sokomine iqualfragile: it works quite fine with vanessas servers. for some time, they where extremly fast. recently, it was still about average
01:51 Inocudom I saw that video, VanessaE. He also did one of Minetest Classic recently (the 0.3.1 fork by darkrose.)
01:52 VanessaE iqualfragile: I run 5 without issue.  got enough cores, memory, disk, and network
01:52 VanessaE only thing I lack is a fast enough engine :P
01:52 iqualfragile Sokomine, VanessaE its more of a social problem
01:52 Inocudom Minetest Classic isn't the only prominent fork anymore. Freeminer (proller's development branch) is now a prominent fork.
01:52 VanessaE fucking network code is so slow that every time someone signs on, everyone else lags for a little while
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01:52 VanessaE hey EvergreenTree
01:53 iqualfragile VanessaE: use http for media
01:53 VanessaE iqualfragile: I do.
01:53 iqualfragile uh…
01:53 VanessaE at least for survival and creative
01:53 Anshinin jesus
01:53 VanessaE I haven't set the other two up yet
01:53 Anshinin the listing of channels on freenode is huge
01:53 VanessaE heh
01:53 VanessaE yep
01:54 VanessaE other three rather.
01:54 Sokomine iqualfragile: hm, perhaps. some of the servers are pretty diffrent and more of an experimental kind - i.e. that nostalgia server, or the realtest server (diffrent gameplay)
01:55 katyusha brb
01:55 OldCoder Anshinin, most channels are inactive or not worth much time
01:56 Anshinin that's no good
01:57 Anshinin OldCoder, do you have any servers up right now I could join to play on
01:57 OldCoder Yes
01:57 Anshinin I think it's been 2 years since I've played minetest
01:58 OldCoder Problem is that I can't interact you on mine right now; I am behind at the office due to our earlier discussion
01:58 OldCoder You can visit my worlds but I'd need to rebuild things to interact you
01:58 OldCoder Hmm
01:58 OldCoder Actually no
01:58 OldCoder Pick one of my worlds
01:58 OldCoder I can patch the files manually
01:58 Anshinin Where can i find them?
01:58 OldCoder Server is: minetest.org
01:58 Anshinin oh
01:58 Anshinin ok
01:59 OldCoder Worlds are listed above
01:59 OldCoder Try... Zegaton
01:59 OldCoder Port 30015
01:59 OldCoder Join there then tell me if you got in
01:59 OldCoder Or Octuteam
01:59 OldCoder That is a complex world
01:59 OldCoder Port 30004
01:59 Anshinin I did it successfully i think
01:59 OldCoder You are in one of the worlds? Which one?
01:59 Anshinin I got default items
02:00 OldCoder But no interact... I must patch you
02:00 OldCoder Which world?
02:00 Anshinin i put in minetest.org lol
02:00 OldCoder ?? Which port?
02:00 OldCoder I have 20 worlds
02:00 Anshinin 30000
02:00 Anshinin default
02:01 Anshinin ill go to 30015
02:01 OldCoder Hmm!
02:01 OldCoder But I am not running 30000
02:01 OldCoder I wonder where you are
02:01 Anshinin 30015 now
02:01 OldCoder Indicate when in
02:02 VanessaE OldCoder: do you still run that old copy of Creative from way back when? :)
02:02 OldCoder I see Inocudom but not you
02:02 OldCoder VanessaE, which world?
02:02 VanessaE I don't remember which port
02:02 OldCoder Anshinin, not sure where you are
02:02 OldCoder VanessaE, Heh. I had *20* worlds. I would need more information.
02:02 VanessaE my old Creative world from some time last year, about the time I reset the map I think
02:02 OldCoder Yes
02:02 OldCoder I have a copy of that world
02:03 OldCoder I wish to update it
02:03 VanessaE jut wondered :)
02:03 katyusha Ok I'm back
02:03 VanessaE oh heh
02:03 VanessaE you should visit the current one
02:03 OldCoder May I have a copy? If not, I will stick with mine
02:03 VanessaE VanessaE's Creative Server [ digitalaudioconcepts.com ] port 30000
02:03 OldCoder Anshinin, I am not sure where you are but it is probably not on my server
02:03 VanessaE erm, it's kinda huge now
02:03 OldCoder VanessaE, so? :-)
02:03 VanessaE but I'll zip it later and send it if you like
02:04 Anshinin I think it may have to do with it being set to minimal
02:04 * OldCoder has loads of disk space and RAM
02:04 OldCoder Yep
02:04 VanessaE oh wait
02:04 VanessaE um
02:04 OldCoder Anshinin, are you possibly running offline?
02:04 VanessaE hm, this should be easy, one sec.
02:04 * VanessaE ssh's into the server
02:04 Anshinin i dont know maybe
02:04 OldCoder Anshinin, You may be in your own world offline
02:05 Anshinin let me see
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02:07 Anshinin Hello
02:07 VanessaE *waits for copy to finish*
02:07 Inocudom RealBadAngel, the new shaders for Minetest are amazing.
02:08 RealBadAngel thx
02:08 RealBadAngel hi all
02:08 Inocudom OldCoder, the adress in your build leads to Zeg9's old server world.
02:08 OldCoder He gave it to me, yes
02:08 OldCoder And has requested
02:08 VanessaE RealBadAngel: cheapie still gets the dots, but only if either (aniso/mipmap/bi/tri) OR (bumpmap/parallax) are turned on.  The rest of the shaders work fine for him now
02:08 OldCoder that I host the next one as well
02:09 VanessaE OldCoder:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobb​ies/minetest/worldmaps/worlds-sunday.tar.bz2
02:09 Exio4 kaeza: doesn't change the fact that it has the simpler syntax of a powerful PL
02:09 VanessaE OldCoder: approx. 2.5 GB, expands to about 10, contains all 5 worls as of 11 am UTC this morning.
02:10 VanessaE worlds*(
02:10 Anshinin OldCoder, I finally got on a server
02:12 Exio4 i need a way to run transmission over ssh
02:12 Exio4 because this network is bandwidth limited
02:12 OldCoder AndrewPH, Which server?
02:12 OldCoder Oops
02:13 OldCoder Anshinin, which server?
02:13 Exio4 unless it is some list of ports
02:13 OldCoder VanessaE, downloading now!
02:13 VanessaE OldCoder: please download that file right away
02:13 AndrewPH Yeah
02:13 VanessaE I am somewhat short on space :)
02:13 OldCoder AndrewPH, Sorry!
02:13 OldCoder VanessaE, proceeding immediately
02:13 VanessaE ok
02:13 * VanessaE wonders how fat of a pipe OldCoder has....
02:13 Sokomine the shaders turned all textures black for me initially. now they work. i'm not sure if i like them and which shaders i'll keep. my gpu isn't the strongest
02:13 OldCoder VanessaE, we shall see
02:13 OldCoder Error 404 VanessaE
02:14 VanessaE oops
02:14 VanessaE sorry
02:14 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/mi​netest/worldmaps/worlds-backup-2013-12-08.tar.bz2
02:14 VanessaE sorry, forgot I renamed it
02:14 OldCoder One moment
02:15 OldCoder I am probably hammering your server
02:15 OldCoder Let me try without multiple threads
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02:15 Anshinin Hi
02:15 OldCoder Too slow that way
02:15 OldCoder Anshinin, Hello again
02:16 Anshinin I was saying hi to whoever just joined
02:16 OldCoder arsdragonfly
02:17 OldCoder VanessaE, Looks like I can get about 175 KB/sec from your server
02:17 VanessaE that's not TOO shabby
02:17 VanessaE let me know when it finishes so I can delete it.  you can share it if you like, I just don't have the space to spare :)
02:18 OldCoder I know... Looks like a few hours if it does not abort
02:18 OldCoder I am doing multithreaded so an abort will not be recoverable. We will see.
02:18 OldCoder Speeds it up by about 3 to 1.
02:18 VanessaE ok
02:18 OldCoder Should finish this evening unless aborts. I will let you know thanks.
02:22 VanessaE ure
02:22 VanessaE sure
02:22 VanessaE that tarball is from my regular nightly backup script btw
02:22 OldCoder All right
02:22 VanessaE please be sure to cleanse it of anything that should not be shared
02:23 OldCoder Of course
02:23 OldCoder Will the server stay up for the night?
02:23 VanessaE it's on 24/7
02:23 OldCoder All right
02:23 OldCoder I will let you know if this works. If it does, you can explain what the world(s) are. These copies will last indefinitely.
02:25 VanessaE sure
02:27 VanessaE OldCoder: actually, cancel that download, there's too many dependencies
02:27 OldCoder Hmm? Such as?
02:27 OldCoder Mods?
02:27 VanessaE games
02:28 OldCoder ? What will happen if I load with as many mods as possible?
02:28 Exio4 you will have a too fucking slow game :)
02:28 VanessaE it'll blow up :D
02:29 OldCoder But it works for you?
02:29 OldCoder I have about 100 mods ATM
02:29 OldCoder May I attempt it?
02:29 Exio4 only 100? i thought you had 1k! ;P
02:29 VanessaE it needs custom games
02:29 OldCoder Exio4, I have an octocore with 32GB RAM
02:29 Pilcrow lol wow. OldCoder, what is your creative inventory count??
02:29 OldCoder Pilcrow, explain
02:29 Inocudom Did you know that the developers of Minetest Classic found a way to have the nodeboxes in it have soft lighting.
02:30 OldCoder VanessaE, Is one of the maps perhaps usable? You could pack just one
02:30 Exio4 octocore? eight powerful as celerons from 2001 each or decent ones?
02:30 VanessaE you'll need this, media.digitalaudioconcepts​.com/VanessaE_Game.tar.bz2
02:30 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/mt_nostalgia
02:30 VanessaE and this
02:30 Inocudom I feel that the feature is worth noting because Minetest Main would benefit from it.
02:30 Pilcrow OldCoder: well, for example, when I start a server it says creative inventory size: 769
02:30 OldCoder Exio4, I do not recall... I can get the specs for you but the system is fatst
02:30 OldCoder Pilcrow, wait and I will tell you
02:30 OldCoder 1275
02:31 OldCoder VanessaE, If I get those two tarballs will it help?
02:31 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/realtest_game
02:31 VanessaE and you need this
02:31 Exio4 cat /proc/cpuinfo; lspci
02:31 OldCoder Pilcrow, the answer is 1275. And Exio4 checking now...
02:31 VanessaE and there's a bunch of extra mods that are used
02:31 Exio4 paste that ^ :P
02:31 OldCoder processor       : 0
02:31 OldCoder vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
02:31 OldCoder cpu family      : 6
02:31 OldCoder model           : 23
02:31 OldCoder model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           E5410  @ 2.33GHz
02:31 OldCoder was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
02:31 Exio4 er
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02:32 OldCoder Paste is not advisable
02:32 Exio4 pastebin
02:32 OldCoder Wait
02:32 Pilcrow OldCoder: oh, I figured it'd be higher. no idea how many mods I have installed though...  :P
02:32 VanessaE OldCoder:  better you should just extract from that tarball the map.sqlite file for the Creative map and update your copy of VanessaE_Game
02:33 VanessaE but you don't have to maintain it at all, as I run it live as well
02:33 OldCoder VanessaE, will do. Pilcrow, k. Exio4 wait.
02:33 VanessaE I don't want to load you down with too much
02:33 VanessaE you've got enough to do :)
02:33 OldCoder Exio4, http://www.oldcoder.org/cpuinfo.txt
02:33 OldCoder Did not do the lspci yet; is the cpuinfo enough?
02:34 Exio4 i would like the lspci too :P
02:34 OldCoder Wait
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02:34 OldCoder Exio4, http://www.oldcoder.org/lspci.txt
02:34 OldCoder Exio4, O.K. Your assessment?
02:35 OldCoder djdduty, your nick is familiar; let's catch up sometime
02:36 Exio4 looks like a mid-endish setup
02:36 OldCoder All right; so it can handle a few MT worlds?
02:36 OldCoder 32GB RAM
02:37 OldCoder I could try to do 64GB RAM if it mattered much
02:37 Exio4 do you have access to the real hardware? :P
02:37 OldCoder Yes
02:37 OldCoder Not directly
02:37 OldCoder But I can show you photos
02:38 OldCoder http://christfollower.me/images/130622_system1.jpg
02:38 OldCoder http://christfollower.me/images/130622_system2.jpg
02:38 OldCoder http://christfollower.me/images/130622_system2.jpg
02:38 OldCoder Oops
02:38 Exio4 http://ark.intel.com/products/33080/
02:38 OldCoder http://christfollower.me/images/130622_system3.jpg
02:38 OldCoder R
02:39 OldCoder Yes, that looks similar
02:39 OldCoder So, mid-end?
02:39 Exio4 a dual cpu, neat
02:39 OldCoder With 32GB RAM is this good?
02:39 Exio4 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xe​on+E5410+%40+2.33GHz&id=1232&cpuCount=2
02:39 OldCoder http://christfollower.me/images/130622_system4.jpg
02:39 Exio4 what is the speed of that ram? :P
02:39 OldCoder http://christfollower.me/images/130622_system5.jpg
02:39 OldCoder I can find out
02:39 OldCoder System seems nice and fast regardless
02:40 OldCoder A bright spot in a trying period
02:40 OldCoder Low end compared to latest high end
02:40 OldCoder But the system is not brand new. Beats the pants off of VPS though.
02:40 Exio4 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?​cpu=AMD+FX-6100+Six-Core&id=257 my cpu :(
02:40 Exio4 it isn't better than your octocore
02:40 * Exio4 is sad now
02:40 OldCoder Hm?
02:40 OldCoder I am sure your system is very nice
02:40 Exio4 but well, six cores vs eight :P
02:41 OldCoder It will do for now :-)
02:41 OldCoder Heh
02:41 OldCoder "Eight is Enough for Love!"
02:41 OldCoder ^ Obscure reference and joke
02:42 OldCoder
02:42 OldCoder VanessaE, I will need to ask about installing this stuff; but it is worth some effort
02:42 OldCoder Your creations need to be shown off
02:43 Exio4 six cores performing at a 89% performance of an octocore
02:43 OldCoder Depends though
02:43 OldCoder More than one factor
02:43 Exio4 and that with a 'ok' multithreading scaling!
02:43 Exio4 not (awesome) multithreading scaling as yours
02:43 Exio4 because you have eight real cores; not just eight threads
02:44 Exio4 (multithreading scaling is: shitty with hyperthreading; ok with amd latest modules; awesome with real cores! :P)
02:44 VanessaE OldCoder: no prob.  just update VanessaE_Game, the map.sqlite file, auth.txt, and carry over the worldmods folder, sans the irc* mods therein.  That should be all you need to do to get that copy up.
02:44 OldCoder But the other stuff you linked?
02:44 VanessaE but bear in mind this world is wildly different from the old one.  99% of the content got moved over.
02:44 OldCoder I a downloading it
02:44 OldCoder k
02:45 OldCoder *I am
02:45 VanessaE the other stuff I linked, you don't need if you just use the creative world
02:45 VanessaE you can keep the others as an off-site backup :D
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02:47 djdduty OldCoder: you're the linux guy.
02:47 djdduty You consider your os as a "proper" distro since you made it yourself.
02:48 djdduty OldCoder: you've been using c++ for like 20 years or something.
02:48 OldCoder djdduty, 'C' for 37 years
02:48 OldCoder C++ is not a favorite
02:49 OldCoder We spoke last year. Let's talk again sometime.
02:49 djdduty OldCoder: right, but I remember you said c++ instead since it was the current topic :)
02:49 OldCoder Your memory is sharper in this regard than mine
02:50 djdduty OldCoder: Except, I forgot what channel it was on.
02:50 djdduty And how to spell chanel.
02:51 OldCoder Heh
03:00 Pilcrow VanessaE: I've experienced a lot of lag every time I've tried to use moretrees. does the plantlike drawtype make things better? I think I've heard something about a link between lag and leaves...
03:02 VanessaE lag != low fps
03:02 VanessaE and yes, plantlike mode can help that somewhat, but in that mode you can't use those fancy new shaders (yet)
03:03 Pilcrow lag as in server responsiveness. lots of 'moving too fast' errors
03:04 VanessaE oh
03:04 VanessaE how old is your copy of moretrees?
03:04 VanessaE I fixed the lag issues with it ages ago
03:04 VanessaE it only spawns (fast-growing) saplings at mapgen time
03:04 VanessaE they never hang the mapgen now
03:05 VanessaE plants_lib can still slow it down, some day I will migrate it to voxelmanip if I can ever find the drive or someone wants to help  *pokes hmmmm*
03:05 Pilcrow I haven't tried it in a few months. just wanted to ask before possibly wasting my time with it, lol
03:05 OldCoder VanessaE, speed up to 280 KiB/sec
03:05 OldCoder 322 now
03:06 VanessaE OldCoder: ok.  I've already deleted the file; it'll unlink automatically once your download finishes.
03:06 VanessaE to prevent others downloading it. you will still receive the entire thing
03:07 Pilcrow I whish I was smart enough to figure out voxelmanip. heck, I can barely wrap my head around detached inventories...
03:08 OldCoder VanessaE, k
03:08 ShadowNinja VanessaE: I can help. :-)
03:09 ShadowNinja That reminds me to check what's making the forcefield so slow...
03:10 Pilcrow I guess I've made good progress though; I didn't know ANY lua a year ago...  :P
03:10 VanessaE ShadowNinja: just so you know, "help" here is defined as "wants to code it and make a pull request" :D
03:11 VanessaE (hence it being the alternative to my gaining enough drive to do it myself :) )
03:12 ShadowNinja Well, maybe if I have time. But I fear that I'm going to be compelled to completely rewrite the whole thing if I look at it... ;-)
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03:13 Pilcrow does voxelmanip only work ongen, or am I just missing something?
03:13 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Mapgen Indev: Fix segfault in cave generation due to uninitialized variable 50b0e9f7a4 2013-12-08T19:13:05-08:00 http://git.io/yT7heg
03:14 VanessaE it works anywhere, does't it?
03:14 VanessaE ShadowNinja: aw come on, my code isn't THAT bad is it?
03:15 ShadowNinja ^ Use VoxelManip() or minetest.get_voxel_manip()
03:15 ShadowNinja VanessaE: I don't know, I haven't looked at it.
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03:17 Pilcrow is there a voxelmanip page in the dev wiki? a quick search only shows the changelog...
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03:19 hmmmm Pilcrow, not yet
03:19 hmmmm my intention was to write that page this weekend
03:21 ShadowNinja Pilcrow: Until then you can read lua_api.txt and other mods.
03:22 Pilcrow hmmmm: that would be much appreciated, thank you. and thanks ShadowNinja for the tip.
03:22 hmmmm check out the TNT mod
03:23 Pilcrow as in, sfan5's nuke mod? or is there one that's actually called TNT?
03:23 hmmmm i guess it's the sfan nuke mod
03:23 hmmmm could've sworn it was shadowninja who made it though
03:24 hmmmm made like 180 node diameter hollow spheres in the map and it had problems when it hit blocks that weren't generated yet
03:24 hmmmm i remember he told me about that a few months ago
03:25 Pilcrow well there are honestly quite a few nuke/tnt mods, now that I look...
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03:26 Exio4 "Uploading to peer"  "Downloading from peer"
03:26 Exio4 P2P is awesome
03:27 Pilcrow I just found a 'bettertnt' mod by minermoder27 and a tnt mod by PilzAdam as well...
03:27 ShadowNinja hmmmm: Right, my rewrite of the nuke mod. Pilcrow: That's at shadowninja.minetest.net/mods/nuke.tgz
03:28 ShadowNinja (No repo or topic right now)
03:31 Pilcrow ah, thank you ShadowNinja. and hmmmm for suggesting it. I'll definitely be looking into this...  :)
03:32 Pilcrow this looks like something I could wreck a world with...  :P
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03:34 Minetestian well im back. ;)
03:36 Exio4 hm
03:37 Minetestian Whats this, I come back, and all the activity vanishes.
03:37 Minetestian ._.
03:39 Pilcrow ShadowNinja: does this tnt mod respect nodes such as chests and 'unbreakable' blocks? if it does, or if it can be easily modified, I may use it as more than just a reference...  ;)
03:40 Exio4 haha
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03:52 Minetestian when im on the web client,
03:52 Minetestian i can hear people on the servers,
03:52 Minetestian correct?
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04:02 Minetestian i dont get it...
04:04 Exio4 this network is weird
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04:04 Exio4 one download = 70kb/s, second download, 130 kb/s, third one = 120kb/s
04:04 Exio4 that means a total of 420kb/s
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05:06 Pilcrow sapier, if you're still there, I think I may have figured out the issue with your monorail carts. I think the 3d_armor/wieldview mods may be at fault, causing the collision detection to think the cart is running into its rider...
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05:28 OldCoder VanessaE, I got the whole 2GB and confirmed successful. Final speed was 500 KB per second.
05:28 VanessaE cool
05:29 OldCoder t y
05:29 OldCoder It actually finished an hour ago but I have been writing documentation
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08:59 worcliP dead irc
08:59 * VanessaE hands Pilcrow a mirror
09:00 Pilcrow hi!
09:00 VanessaE hey
09:01 Pilcrow just finished playing minetest for 5 hours...  :P
09:01 VanessaE and none of it on my server? :(
09:01 VanessaE servers*
09:03 Pilcrow eh, I prefer private games with 2 or 3 well-known and trusted people...  :)
09:03 VanessaE aw :(
09:04 Pilcrow also, we're sort of making a game. mostly just a random collection of mods, but many are heavily modified and not available anywhere else...
09:04 VanessaE gotchya
09:10 Pilcrow and I've got a 3d torches mod I'm not even sure I CAN release... it's a heavily modified combination of BlockMen's torch code (which is WTFPL) and babe223's code (which is unlicensed)
09:10 Pilcrow with babe223's code in there, I'm not sure it's legal to post...
09:11 VanessaE not unless babe gives you permission to do so (and under what license is best)
09:11 Pilcrow yeah, that's what I thought...
09:12 Pilcrow the general functions are all gone, but I haven't replaced his nodebox code or textures. that's all that remains...
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09:23 Pilcrow not sure babe is with us much any more, anyway; he hasn't posted in 3 months or so...
09:24 Pilcrow I'll probably just have to make my own nodeboxes and textures
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09:57 Jordach ello proller
10:00 proller hi
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10:01 john_minetest Hello everypony
10:01 VanessaE hi
10:05 john_minetest I just had a great idea about a distributed video platform as alternative for google's youtube. There is a master server having the upload form and a list of all files. When a video is uploaded, the master server routes it to one of the servers in the network and stores the video location. If a video is requested, the master server looks up the location and displays it. Video deletition works the same: The master server sends a
10:05 john_minetest request to the servers with the video to delete that one.
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10:06 john_minetest That way no expensive hosting would be nessecary. If required, the video can be stored on multiple servers and the master server routes the traffic, so there is a load balancing.
10:07 john_minetest Video comments and user profiles are stored central on the master server since it is only a small file size and the master server is trusted.
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10:09 Jordach not sleeping VE?
10:09 VanessaE going to bed soon
10:09 john_minetest 05:09:46
10:11 * Jordach is trying to work out how to add stuff
10:11 john_minetest add stuff to what?
10:11 Jordach basically, my fingers do not sit 90 flush against the wrist
10:12 john_minetest ?
10:12 specing Wooo
10:12 specing [87897.423370] NVRM: GPU at 0000:01:00.0 has fallen off the bus.
10:13 specing while smashing a block :S
10:16 VanessaE so the bus went barreling past a wall and the GPU just sorta toppled off the side and slammed into the block the wall is made of? :)
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10:19 specing kinda
10:20 Jordach serves you right for going bitcoin
10:25 specing I didn't go bitcoin
10:25 specing while smashing a <minetest> block
10:25 Jordach oh
10:26 VanessaE hahaha
10:26 VanessaE of all the people to go that direction...
10:26 VanessaE I'd have expected you, Jordach, to assume it was a Minetest block :D
10:26 Jordach in btc terms, smashing a block is correct
10:26 Jordach as well as minetest
10:26 Jordach ...and mc
10:27 john_minetest specing: When driving on a bus there are signs everywhere saying: "Please hold on to the poles while the bus is driving". Seems GPU can't read.
10:28 john_minetest Should have listened to the teacher in elementary school...
10:28 * Jordach grumbles something about blender and weights
10:29 VanessaE seems to me if it can't read, there's probably a handshake or protocol issue, in which case the GPU is simply not very polite......
10:29 * VanessaE hides
10:30 * Jordach might make a special render for Redcrab 0.4.6-<commit here>
10:30 VanessaE 0.4.4*
10:31 Jordach really?!
10:32 VanessaE ...
10:33 VanessaE I should sign on there once and see if it still works :)
10:34 VanessaE (meh, I'm sure it's perfectly bugg...er...fine)
10:34 * Jordach remembers a time where the mapgen destroyed spawn, reverting chunks
10:34 VanessaE yup
10:35 VanessaE I tried to make repairs but my efforts were feeble at best.  didn't have enough pictures to go on
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10:35 Jordach ...spawn was crowded :P
10:35 thexyz Jordach: have you tested android port yet?
10:36 Jordach thexyz, post that apk sucka
10:36 VanessaE I'll be damned.  it still works
10:36 VanessaE and it still runs 0.4.4 :P
10:36 thexyz Jordach: search the log
10:36 Jordach damn
10:37 Jordach thexyz, was it last night on this channel
10:37 specing alright
10:37 specing reflow in 5...4...
10:37 thexyz yes
10:45 specing great, now my room smells of superheated thermal paste
10:46 specing ahhh second world problems
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10:51 Jordach thexyz, nearly done
10:55 Jordach moving files...
10:56 * VanessaE wanders off to bed.
10:56 VanessaE night.
10:57 * Jordach tests if it works on VanessaE's server
10:58 Jordach \o/
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10:58 Jordach thexyz, loading VE-Survival
10:58 Jordach (copied everything using my flash drive as USB)
11:01 Jordach thexyz, join server button is missing from android
11:01 Jordach i had to use android's enter key
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11:06 Jordach wtf: media loads faster on droid than my own git machine
11:06 Jordach I CALL HAX.
11:09 specing SSD?
11:10 Jordach droids use flash. but i'm not sure if it counts as an ssd
11:10 specing it does
11:11 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Anti-Corruption Day! :-D
11:12 specing my country's anticorruption comitte quit in protest, lol
11:12 Jordach $5 mIRC script :D
11:15 Jordach full media bar
11:15 Jordach thexyz, incoming pics
11:18 Jordach thexyz, i average 15-28fps on tableyt
11:18 Jordach -y
11:22 Jordach playable, but i'd enjoy a virtual joypad
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11:26 Jordach thexyz, http://imgur.com/a/3KnrY
11:29 proller where where where link ?
11:30 Jordach check yesterday's logs
11:30 Jordach ctrl+f : apk
11:31 proller found
11:33 proller fail on my zopo
11:34 john_minetest Hah, finally got that video embedded in html5 :D
11:36 Jordach woot
11:36 Jordach if my MOTHER'S CHEAP CHINESE droid tablet can run minetest, then i'm sure anyone can
11:44 john_minetest woot woot, wooot woot; woot woot, wooot, woot... I'm gonna pop some tags, only got 20 dollars in my pockets....
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11:50 john_minetest HTML5 is AWESOME!
11:50 john_minetest That's why it is written in CAPS.
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11:58 Jordach \o/ a flash game allows me to modify the designs of objects using UV UNWRAPS
11:58 Peacock flash is evil, RMS compels you! repent!
11:58 Peacock :P
11:59 Jordach > using GNASH
12:00 Peacock a freetard would say it's still a proprietary format, and everytime you use it, bill gates rapes a starving african child :P
12:00 Peacock does gnash work any better than the other thing though? my YT keeps crashing
12:01 Jordach gnash works, but it isn't truly flash 11.x.x.x.x compatible yet
12:02 Peacock ugh, everytime i play games on w7 im reminded how nice it is to not have youtube/flash pull a hindenburg when i try to seek on the video lol
12:09 john_minetest Peacock: Every time you use it, Bill gates gets a few million dollars and donates them to african children
12:09 Jordach we shouldn't really knock BG anymore
12:10 Peacock well i was being sarcastic :P its true that BG has actually helped more poor people with his money than what the FSF does with it's own money
12:10 Jordach they gave me a car, i did this: http://i.imgur.com/VwZ79Yy.png
12:11 john_minetest this could actually look good on a real car
12:11 Jordach john_minetest, the UV Wrap was infact 1024px, so i decided on scaling default upto 256 and tiling them with grid mode and erasing parts
12:13 Jordach where it would look physically wrong
12:13 john_minetest Lol, I just added that render to my experimental local video website as thumbnail for an eurofighter video. look awesome.
12:14 Jordach john_minetest, fun fact: i've got a pickup that is saints row purple with the saints logo on the front
12:17 john_minetest JamesTait:  "happy Anti-Corruption Day" -> Hey, I'll give you one line of my code if you write "hello" in this chat
12:18 JamesTait hello, john_minetest. ;)
12:18 john_minetest class="video-stream"
12:18 JamesTait See, I even kept the capitalisation the same. :-P
12:18 john_minetest Okay, that was a good deal. But don't tell anybody
12:19 JamesTait john_minetest, I'll keep it in a locked glass case and treasure it forever. ;)
12:19 john_minetest I want to become president of germany and when somebody finds out of that deal, I can't ;)
12:20 JamesTait Unless your government is significantly more clueful than ours (not difficult, admittedly), the IRC logs are safe. ;)
12:21 john_minetest Here a lot of people in politics were thrown out because they were invited on a yacht by their friends or got a few thousands from some companies.
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12:22 john_minetest Aaaand: The science minister was thrown out because she copy-pasted her dissertation.
12:23 Peacock i read something about that
12:23 Peacock was it a german science minister?
12:23 Peacock i thought i read it in spiegel, might have been another country though
12:25 john_minetest https://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/Annette_Schavan#Plagiarism
12:26 JamesTait Wow.  Meanwhile our MPs are busily trying to work out the next scam to pay for their second and third homes at the tax-payers' expense.
12:26 Jordach JamesTait, just ask Syria and the Thai, they might give us a clue on this problem...
12:26 Peacock ok yeah it was germany/spiegel
12:27 Peacock im sure she's not the first entitled fuck to get away with cheating in college lol
12:27 Jordach ..if they cut military pay, we might have the military break rank and take on their puppeteers
12:28 Peacock soldiers are already paid shit
12:28 Peacock MPs are the ones who are overpayed
12:28 Peacock get a generous pension after a few years of half-assed work
12:29 specing Can someone tell me what are those blocks in bottom left and right corners? https://raw.github.com/Zeg9/minet​est-ufos/images/Crafting_ufo.png
12:30 MinetestBot GIT: RealBadAngel commited to minetest/minetest: Optimize shaders code. Add settings at compile time. dae03382bf 2013-12-09T04:28:50-08:00 http://git.io/4SLubw
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12:30 specing neverming
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12:38 specing this is hard to steer
12:40 specing It keeps knocking me back :(
12:40 specing every single fucking vehicle
12:40 specing Wtf I just fell down
12:41 specing WHeres my UFo?!
12:42 specing The power bar was 90% red goddamnit!!!
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12:45 john_minetest Peacock: Actually the german minister of defense was also thrown out because he cheated in his dissertation.
12:46 reactor wned.
12:46 Peacock well like i said, buying papers seems to be a common thing in colleges and universities these days
12:47 Peacock i should start a bitcoin marketplace for papers lol
12:47 john_minetest reactor: http://i.imgur.com/vZOnxXN.png
12:47 reactor !title
12:47 MinetestBot reactor: Document isn't HTML
12:47 john_minetest Peacock: No, it is actually not about "copying papers"
12:47 reactor lulz
12:48 reactor Putin. I wonder when he puts out.
12:48 Jordach john_minetest, VE-Survival :D
12:48 john_minetest Peacock: Those people wrote dissertations about social stuff. It is near-impossible to do new research in that field so they took stuff from books and put it together there.
12:49 Peacock well cheating is cheating, i care less about the methods
12:49 john_minetest Peacock: Angela Merkel, for example, is in a safe position: Plagiation is impossible when you do physics and make own experiments.
12:49 Jordach experiments are repeatable
12:50 Peacock well its only science if you can reproduce results, which is why psychiatry is somewhat a joke
12:50 Jordach exactly
12:51 Jordach no two people (in that field) will produce the same results
12:51 reactor Psychiatry is not a joke.
12:52 reactor The problem is, there are never repeatable conditions.
12:52 john_minetest Non-repeatable conditions are a joke.
12:52 reactor s/are never/never are/
12:52 reactor There aren't two patients with exactly same problems.
12:52 john_minetest How can psychatrists have knowledge if there is no knowledge
12:52 john_minetest "You can't know anything, knowledge is merely opinion."
12:53 john_minetest :P
12:53 reactor Generalising different cases, you may establish some relations.
12:53 Peacock like when they tried giving me pills for OCD, they were pretty much just guessing, i would have had the same odds getting prescriptions from a slot machine in vegas lol
12:53 reactor There surely is no knowledge yet about what really happens in our head and in our mind.
12:54 reactor But there are many more or less successful interpretations.
12:54 proller reactor, /usr/ports/games/freeminer
12:54 reactor proller: ?
12:55 reactor Howdy.
12:55 reactor Well, I'll look into it when I have a suitably large chunk of time.
12:55 john_minetest reactor: You mean Siegmund Freud and C.G. Jung :P
12:55 reactor john_minetest: ?
12:55 reactor There is also E. Berne.
12:55 john_minetest They were both crazy
12:56 reactor They were not.
12:56 reactor I like their ideas, so far.
12:56 john_minetest I think it is crazy to assume that somebody wants to kill you when he says: "Here bogmen were found"
12:57 Peacock freud thought everything was related to sex lol
12:57 reactor It's complicated, Peacock, we can not actually say that.
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12:57 reactor He used sexual terms for both sexual and non-sexual.
12:57 john_minetest "it is complicated" is often used in relationships... SEX!
12:57 reactor But the energy that drives sexual and non-sexual is the same.
12:57 john_minetest I should become psychatrist instead of programmer
12:58 reactor No, don't change your road.
12:58 reactor You can just read on psych.
12:58 Peacock complicated in relationships usually means = if i leave her, i'll have to pay child support, and i sure as shit wont get custody lol
12:58 reactor Peacock: you're tearing my words out of context.
12:58 reactor The argument is over.
12:58 john_minetest I could interpret EVERYTHING as I want.
12:59 john_minetest reactor: every psychatrist is tearing words out of context
12:59 reactor But we're not doing psych here, we're merely discussing psych.
12:59 john_minetest "The argument is over" sounds like something parents could tell their childs all the time. It is frozen in your mind. Childhood trauma
13:00 john_minetest Look how I interpreted a sentence
13:00 reactor I terminated the argument going to nowhere, that's it.
13:00 reactor If you would like to perform mutual psychotherapy, register a channel for that.
13:00 Jordach we need a programming language for psych
13:01 john_minetest Yeah. And I had a dream of an alien attack in school and not a dream that describes some childhood trauma
13:01 Jordach john_minetest, 5/5 would dream again
13:01 reactor Dreams usually offer solution to something.
13:01 Jordach ain't that right
13:01 reactor That is, if you ever meet aliens, tell them to attack that school.
13:01 Jordach i've solved so many boss fights by sleeping :P
13:03 john_minetest Jordach: "#import <psyche.h> #import <iostream> using namespace freud; int main (void){ if(psyche.analyze()==3){ std::cout<<"Childhood trauma<<std::endl; } }"
13:03 Peacock lol every shrink asks about childhood abuse
13:04 reactor Sometimes people's minds makes up childhood traumas.
13:04 john_minetest reactor: That dream surely solved problems with aliens at school. Now I know that it is best to take cover behind the fat trees.
13:04 reactor s/minds/mind/
13:04 Peacock unless your a soldier suffering from PTSD, they can't really conceive of shit happening later on that affects people
13:05 reactor Those are probably the wrong srinks.
13:05 john_minetest There is a great science fiction story about PTSD.
13:05 reactor s/sri/shri/
13:05 Peacock im sure plenty of people make up miserable childhoods for the attention, which sucks for those with real issues
13:05 reactor Not only that.
13:05 reactor Sometimes, people's minds do that for them.
13:06 john_minetest Soldiers with PTSD are in a closed home and suddenly disappear physically. They go to a world of their imaginations like the old Rome and then return
13:06 reactor Fantasy can be very misleading.
13:06 Peacock of course, the notion of perceived injustices wasn't invented along with psychiatry
13:07 Peacock there was a recent article on slashdot about diet pills, something like 600 comments, most very entertaining, you gotta love the mental gymnastics people go through
13:07 john_minetest reactor: Once some guy was told to remind back when he was lost in the shopping mall. This event never happened to him but he imagined it quite well.
13:07 reactor Peacock: ?
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13:07 reactor There are diet pills.
13:07 reactor Are there forgetting pills?
13:07 Peacock http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/12/07/024021​4/diet-drugs-work-why-wont-doctors-prescribe-them
13:08 Peacock odd that a geek site should stir more controversy with a diet/fat article than most tech articles lol but i chalk that up to alot of geeks being in bad health
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13:09 Peacock i think alot of shrinks must get a kick out of reading ./ comments lol
13:12 reactor This is exactly why I do not want to be called a geek.
13:13 Peacock well apart from the usual proficiency with technology, the term also has connotations of physical and mental health problems lol
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13:14 john_minetest /.\__/.\
13:14 reactor Yes.
13:14 reactor Exactly that, Peacock.
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13:14 john_minetest Diet pills and stuff is so overrated.
13:14 john_minetest it is just crap
13:14 Peacock thankfully the dot-com bubble burst when i was due for college, so i didn't go into IT lol
13:14 john_minetest Like that stomache resizing thing
13:15 Peacock besides the pay now is shit and you're competing with foreigners abroad and at home for your job, IT requires constant education (new tech) and there's alot of ageism in it
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13:16 john_minetest Peacock: It depends on where you work
13:16 john_minetest Server systems and stuff are updated very often. Embedded, too.
13:16 Peacock well if you're smart you go into consulting after 15-20 years
13:17 Peacock or have a plan B to start some sort of business
13:17 john_minetest Software development doesn't really change.
13:17 Jordach software development is balls
13:17 Jordach there's 5% programming and 95% bullshit
13:17 Peacock job requirements change all the time depending on what the flash-in-the-pan language of the day is lol
13:17 Jordach programmers program, not fucking admin a business
13:18 Peacock say what you will, mba's make more than programmers
13:18 john_minetest Jordach: Depends. If you are in a good company you just do your stuff and the bullshit is up to the PR and other guys
13:18 Jordach not how my book states it
13:18 Peacock zucky didn't get rich programming, he found a concept, exploited it, and capitalized it
13:19 Peacock most of the people working for him in the beginning just got burned
13:19 Jordach any tech company with don't be evil slogans should not go into the stock market
13:19 Jordach and that's where Canonical will be heading
13:20 Peacock yeah thats why the EU has a huge defence industry :P
13:20 Peacock and every other major power
13:20 Peacock at least google doesn't make weapons
13:21 Peacock given the choice between a little targeted advertising, and CCTV cameras on every street corner, which would you prefer?
13:21 Jordach Google should just buy Egypt...
13:21 Jordach and greece
13:21 Peacock the chinese are buying greece :
13:21 Peacock *:P
13:21 reactor People should eat better food and do more PT.
13:21 reactor Not look for miracle pills.
13:22 reactor In most cases, people become obese due to lack of willpower.
13:22 Peacock well for losing weight the equation is simple, take in less calories than you burn, and yes, the rates are different for everyone, thats why you have to find your own balance
13:24 Peacock its always funny to see people blame their weight on some illness, illnesses that don't seem to have the same effect on people in 3rd world countries lol
13:25 reactor Heck yeah.
13:25 reactor Plain overeating
13:25 reactor Bad taste.
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13:37 john_minetest Peacock: germany has bought greece already
13:37 john_minetest But now we are nazis because we gave them money to help them :(
13:43 john_minetest cya later
13:52 Peacock well technically german banks bought greece, and german taxpayers are on the hooks for that lousy investment :P i dont envy either the greeks or the germans
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14:00 Exio4 [10:17:33] <Jordach> there's 5% programming and 95% bullshit
14:00 Exio4 if you count debugging and thinking the algorithms as part of the "bullshit"
14:01 Peacock so that's why OSS is bullshit-free :P
14:02 Exio4 hm?
14:02 Exio4 you say opensource programs aren't debugged? nor "developed"?
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14:03 Peacock i was kidding :P
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14:10 Peacock damnit, should have known the cat wouldn't make it easy to put the garland in the tree lol
14:10 nore nore.mesecons.net/screenshot_3618376377.png <-- any thought on this?
14:11 nore +s
14:11 Peacock cannot click
14:11 Jordach arsdragonfly, having issues with the great firewall?
14:11 nore http://nore.mesecons.net/screenshot_3618376377.png
14:11 nore Peacock, now you can...
14:11 Peacock looks good except for the tiny snow spot, microclimate?
14:11 Jordach JESUS FUCKING CHRIST nore
14:12 nore no, it is not that tiny... it is the village that is huge
14:12 Exio4 so, you can't copy a link by hand Peacock?
14:12 Peacock careful jordach, saint ninja doesn't like foul language :P
14:12 Peacock i can but why bother when client supports click -> goto url
14:13 Peacock copy, open browser, paste & go, vs typing http:// :P
14:14 Exio4 don't you have the browser always open?
14:14 Exio4 i have it in autostart
14:14 Peacock not always, nor should anyone assume everyone does :P
14:14 arsdragonfly Jordach the 3g network is just unstable and slow... wifi works fine for me and doesn't drop so often
14:15 Jordach arsdragonfly, oh. i just thought the big boys were giving the rough shoulder
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14:15 reactor http://nore.mesecons.net/screenshot_3618376377.png
14:15 reactor Never omit the protocol.
14:16 Peacock roads are as wide as houses though, planning on adding bigger buildings for cityscapes?
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14:17 sapier [ANNOUNCEMENT] Advanced spawning mod 0.0.5 https://github.com/sapier/adv_spawning/
14:18 nore Peacock, perhaps...
14:18 Jordach YES, HELL YES
14:18 nore wait a moment, I'm committing, if you want the code
14:19 nore there: https://github.com/Novatux/mg/commit/ff​a67991d1c65bfea30f91cc84a46638694facde
14:19 Peacock if most of my recent crap wasn't postmodern stuff that only looks good once id give some blueprints, though they're probably too big anyways
14:20 Jordach btw, when we do binary logic (with wires) i use your mesecons simulator
14:21 nore this one is getting really old... does it still work, though?
14:22 Jordach it still works
14:22 Jordach with python3
14:22 Jordach btw. hv batbox needs to charge devices quicker....
14:23 Jordach that HV Drill takes ages
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14:59 Megaf ShadowNinja,
14:59 Megaf Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
14:59 Megaf 0x084530bb in irr::gui::CGUIFont::getDimension(wchar_t const*) const ()
14:59 Megaf nothing more really useful
15:00 Megaf and with or without quote on debug it does not matter
15:01 Megaf #1  0x085c74ff in irr::gui::CGUIEditBox::calculateScrollPos() ()
15:01 Megaf No symbol table info available.
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15:01 Megaf No symbol table info available.
15:03 sfan5 hi everyone
15:04 Jordach aww minetestbot
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15:46 Jordach wot
15:46 Jordach woot
15:46 Jordach adding bone locks to make life easier
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15:55 sapier [ANNOUNCEMENT] Monorail 0.0.18 ... now featuring carts mimicry mode .... for those of you addicted to carts graphics
15:56 reactor ?
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16:02 john_minetest Hello again
16:04 Jordach hey Enke
16:04 Enke Hi.
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16:11 * Jordach is rendering something special
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16:12 Jordach Calinou, can the mirror on a material "stop" other materials from being reflected
16:12 Calinou where?
16:13 Calinou there are no mirrors in minetest,
16:13 Jordach Calinou, rendering wise
16:13 Jordach (blender)
16:14 Calinou I don't know
16:14 Calinou try #blender
16:14 Jordach apparently disabling traceable stops it, but then it doesn't look good when fully rendered
16:17 Jordach meh
16:17 Jordach hacked it and made the sides non mirror
16:17 Jordach expermental model coming right up
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16:25 EvergreenTree evergreen.init("Hi")
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16:28 john_minetest Jordach: LuxRender is EPIC
16:29 Jordach heh
16:29 Jordach i prefer BI
16:29 john_minetest Blender internal?
16:29 john_minetest Or what is BI?
16:30 Jordach as you just said
16:30 john_minetest Ah, okay
16:30 Jordach you might call me BI-curious ;P
16:30 john_minetest I got a fast computer now. Rendering photorealistic stuff is so addicting :D
16:30 Jordach modeling and rendering does it for me
16:31 Jordach i've reworked my entire gen 4 model, matching most of the happy gleyson model i found a few weeks ag
16:31 Peacock by bi-curious you mean you make love to women and yourself? :P
16:31 Jordach ago*
16:31 Jordach dammit Peacock
16:31 Peacock lol
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16:32 Enke *sigh* You people... :P
16:32 Peacock this is the song of my people
16:32 john_minetest Jordach: Can you send me some random model? I would like to try to render it.
16:32 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/f7XdZuW.png
16:32 Jordach there
16:32 Jordach done.
16:33 Jordach as you asked
16:33 Enke it... it's staring into my soul...
16:36 * EvergreenTree runs
16:37 EvergreenTree Anyone want an apple?
16:37 Jordach nom nom nom
16:38 EvergreenTree /s/apple/pinecone
16:38 EvergreenTree You just ate a pineone
16:38 EvergreenTree :P
16:38 john_minetest Jordach: only a fast render of a quick-and-dirty model: http://i.imgur.com/GbiRnfB.png
16:38 Jordach dat noise
16:39 john_minetest That is what happens when using raytracing
16:40 Jordach with AO
16:40 john_minetest I could of course do it without that noise but it would take ages to render
16:40 Jordach i know for a fact that noise is made by Ambient Occulsion
16:40 Jordach 10 light samples usually fix it
16:42 Jordach (rule of thumb - default light samples are 5, 10 samples double render time, but remove annoying noise)
16:47 harrison http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/09/ns​a-spies-online-games-world-warcraft-second-life
16:48 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/lUHT8QS.png
16:49 Jordach EvergreenTree, john_minetest, ^
16:49 thexyz Jordach: did you enjoy the lagfest?
16:49 Jordach thexyz, 15-25 fps on my mother's cheap chinese tablet
16:49 Jordach (drawtime was roughly in the 40s)
16:50 Exio4 20s?
16:50 Jordach drawtime = 40 in debug mode
16:50 thexyz Jordach: wait, how did you measure the fps?
16:50 Exio4 ms
16:50 Jordach thexyz, averaging against my own machine
16:50 RealBadAngel anyone can build current mt and check the shaders?
16:51 Jordach i made sure that my pc had 18fps (my home at VE-Survival will do that
16:51 RealBadAngel i think they speeded up a lot, at least they did for me
16:51 thexyz hah
16:51 thexyz I should add the fps string somewhere
16:51 thexyz anyway, is it playable?
16:51 thexyz and what are your tablet specs
16:51 Jordach playable if moving didn't dig anytime i turned or moved
16:51 Jordach you touched the screen: diggy diggy
16:51 thexyz well the controls are here just to show that I can
16:52 thexyz they aren't supposed to be usable
16:52 Exio4 RealBadAngel: compiling
16:52 thexyz playable as in can you play without being annoyed by constant lag
16:52 Jordach thexyz, i did manage to walk around
16:52 john_minetest bbl
16:53 thexyz well i did too but it was unplayable for me because every time I turned around it started lagging like hell
16:53 thexyz I guess without a video it's impossible to know
16:53 Jordach thexyz, turning was smooth
16:54 Jordach btw, i did manage to let the media of vanessa's survival fully load: OOM
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16:55 Jordach hey BlockMen
16:55 Exio4 wow
16:55 Exio4 neat RealBadAngel
16:55 Exio4 it was unplayable before with "far" views
16:55 BlockMen hi Jordach
16:56 BlockMen congrats to minetest on tablet
16:56 Peacock someone cracked buildcraft?
16:56 Jordach Peacock, it says freeminer in the corner
16:57 Exio4 it is a legit port
16:57 Peacock well anyone can change the name :P the timing just seems coincidental :P
16:58 Peacock but what happened to buildcraft itself? did someone report it or did they pull it themselves?
17:02 RealBadAngel Exio4, so, are they faster for you now?
17:02 Jordach pulled themselves due to lgpl and gpl violations
17:03 Exio4 RealBadAngel: they are
17:03 Exio4 no idea how much
17:03 Exio4 but they are ;P
17:04 RealBadAngel good
17:05 RealBadAngel next feature to come: http://i.imgur.com/22d4H4Z.png
17:05 RealBadAngel this is grid by now, but you can see how the effect will look like
17:05 proller peoples still playing with buildcraft clients on servers
17:06 RealBadAngel those are default textures without any modifications
17:06 RealBadAngel just  shaders option enabled
17:06 RealBadAngel Bumped texture pack will be hardcoded, and even more lightweight
17:08 Enke RealBadAngel: they look like legos.
17:08 Jordach you must be bricking it by now ;)
17:10 RealBadAngel same coloured areas will have same elevation
17:10 RealBadAngel so shades will be not for a pixel but for an area
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17:22 * Jordach might be closer to making a working mouth
17:22 EvergreenTree Oh, so you're building another model based off of the one someone else made?
17:24 Jordach EvergreenTree, i'm upgrading my gen 4 model
17:24 EvergreenTree mkay
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17:26 Jordach jaw works
17:27 Jordach and so does it's distance limiter
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17:31 RealBadAngel hmmm actually adding lego shape normal map for each texture is not that bad idea
17:31 thexyz > almost 2014
17:31 thexyz > having less than 32 gb of ram
17:32 reactor ?
17:32 Exio4 >having less than four threads
17:33 thexyz that too
17:33 thexyz > minetest still has -j2 as make option in readme
17:33 thexyz -j25 all the day every day
17:34 Calinou 32GB of RAM costs about $300 these days
17:35 Calinou most people still have 2 threads these days too :P
17:35 Calinou (2013, and no easy way to determine how many threads someone has?)
17:35 * SylvieLorxu has 2GB of RAM
17:36 Calinou 8GB here
17:36 thexyz [100%] Built target minetest
17:36 thexyz 359.72user 10.74system 0:40.99elapsed 903%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 1245264maxresident)k
17:36 Exio4 12 gb here
17:36 whirm Calinou: export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=$(grep processor /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l)
17:36 RealBadAngel 4gb here
17:36 thexyz Calinou: grep proc /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l
17:36 thexyz oh too late
17:36 whirm heh
17:36 Calinou lol, I just got goomba'd in enemy territory
17:37 Calinou whirm/thexyz: then put that in the readme, so that it does the -j stuff for you
17:37 Calinou :P
17:37 Calinou make -j$(grep proc /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l) ← would this work?
17:37 thexyz meh who cares
17:37 thexyz I think it should
17:37 Jordach fucking bash pipes, how i hate thou
17:37 thexyz the simpler the command is the less chance there's something that goes wrong
17:38 Jordach suggest make -j5 and be done with it
17:38 thexyz make -j
17:38 thexyz it was hard to code so it should be hard to compile too
17:39 Calinou -j is much slower than not specyfing the threads?
17:39 thexyz Jordach: btw, connect button is there but I guess the keyboard just overlaps it
17:39 thexyz Calinou: I think -j just spawns a process for every source file
17:40 Jordach thexyz, wasn't visible on my resolution
17:40 thexyz Jordach: what's your resolution?
17:40 Jordach dunnp
17:40 Jordach dunno*
17:40 thexyz the menu is 800x600 i think
17:40 thexyz static
17:40 thexyz because fuck formspecs
17:41 thexyz seriously
17:41 thexyz we should just have webkit or something
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17:41 Calinou librocket!
17:41 * Calinou runs
17:42 thexyz oh yeah, I've seen this one
17:42 Inocudom VanessaE, would you be able to apply RealBadAngel's shaders to Bas080's trees mod. It looks like Bas080 does not come on much.
17:42 thexyz wonder how well it performs
17:42 reactor Illьsions?
17:42 thexyz now let's talk about android, ndk and debugging
17:43 thexyz ndk-gdb is shit, everyone agrees?
17:43 thexyz to use clang address sanitizer I had to build cyanogenmod for my device with build type set to eng
17:43 thexyz what an awful platform
17:43 thexyz and then you know what
17:44 thexyz i've got those red borders flashing, just like when you enable "strict mode" in developer settings menu; but not disableable
17:44 thexyz so i had to comment some line in some source file and rebuild this crapshit again
17:44 thexyz how's that?
17:46 thexyz https://github.com/freeminer/freemi​ner/issues/10#issuecomment-30154207
17:47 thexyz i think i should just copy m*******t
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17:50 hoodedice Sokomine: You made a mod
17:50 hoodedice That changes colour of input_block
17:50 thexyz no one ever talks to me :(
17:50 hoodedice Your name contains the most hated letters in the universe
17:50 hoodedice XD
17:50 * Jordach picks up thexyz and pets him
17:51 reactor ?
17:51 hoodedice Anyone else knows which one this is, can't seem to find it =/
17:51 Jordach hoodedice, prototype Generation 5 https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=121404#p121404
17:52 thexyz <3
17:52 hoodedice Nice
17:52 hoodedice But you still didn't make the gun XD
17:53 hoodedice FOUND IT!
17:53 hoodedice Page 10 Modding General
17:54 RealBadAngel well, im fucking suprised by what i did
17:54 RealBadAngel hold on for screenshots
17:55 hoodedice Did we finally port FB3 to MT?
17:55 hoodedice *you
17:55 RealBadAngel you wanted lego world?
17:55 hoodedice Jordach: The early days: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?pid=31713#p31713
17:55 RealBadAngel here you go: http://i.imgur.com/NbOIZqP.jpg
17:56 hoodedice My Gawd.
17:56 nore ...
17:56 hoodedice (Still boycotts Danish products)
17:57 hoodedice Why not name it...
17:57 nore let me guess: same normal map for all nodes?
17:57 hoodedice Le-test!
17:57 iqualfragile recommend torrent client
17:57 hoodedice Transmission on *buntu
17:57 hoodedice Dayum fast
17:58 RealBadAngel nore, yes
17:58 hoodedice I think you might have to increase the bumping
17:58 hoodedice thingy
17:59 hoodedice Looks like the round bumpy things are 0.0001 mm
17:59 nore hoodedice, it is not possible to do more without creating new polygons... bumpmapping only affects the way the texture is rendered
18:00 hoodedice hmm
18:00 hoodedice So I knew...
18:00 RealBadAngel actually map doesnt have to be same resolution as texture
18:00 nore it changes the way light is calculated according to a map showing how the normals to the surface are perturbated
18:00 hoodedice Overly Exaggerated Shaders: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow8UxGsqbCI
18:01 hoodedice I mean, bumps
18:01 thexyz iqualfragile: rtorrent
18:01 RealBadAngel so more detailed map, effect is smoother
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18:02 hoodedice yo PilzAdam
18:02 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
18:02 nore hi
18:02 hoodedice Me first !
18:03 iqualfragile salü pa
18:03 thexyz iqualfragile: + rutorrent if you don't want to learn rtorrent's interface
18:03 iqualfragile ruterrent? sounds interesting
18:03 nore hoodedice, /me will make a script to auto-greet everyone then...
18:03 iqualfragile i basicly do not care about the interface, cli would be best i think
18:04 iqualfragile but it needs to support utp and udp trackers
18:04 hoodedice -.- @nore
18:04 hoodedice Later peeps
18:04 reactor nore: that would suck.
18:04 hoodedice (Me first)
18:04 reactor The channel would become empty.
18:05 nore I know... and I wouldn't do it of course
18:05 nore it was not me that claimed to be the first...
18:05 thexyz iqualfragile: http://i.imgur.com/ZRV9726.png
18:05 reactor I've been on a network where people have such kind of greeting bots and other shit.
18:05 reactor It was crap.
18:05 thexyz oh right
18:06 thexyz I had some problems with UDP, it seems that you'll have to forward ports by hand
18:06 iqualfragile yeah, no problem
18:06 thexyz so inconvenient in the magic world of upnp
18:06 iqualfragile ipv6
18:06 iqualfragile people need to start supporting it
18:08 thexyz yes
18:08 thexyz tell that to my network provider
18:08 iqualfragile use sixxs
18:08 thexyz why do I need it?
18:09 iqualfragile it allows you use ipv6 even when your isp does not support it
18:10 thexyz why do I need it?
18:10 thexyz everything works
18:10 RealBadAngel technic_game affected with legos :) http://i.imgur.com/cYFXXC6.png
18:10 iqualfragile you would have ipv6
18:10 thexyz meh
18:10 thexyz I don't *need* it
18:10 iqualfragile ipv6 is awsome because multicasting
18:10 thexyz see?
18:11 thexyz what's that and why do I need it?
18:13 Calinou my ISP supports IPV6, but I don't use it
18:13 Calinou too many incompatible stuff?
18:14 iqualfragile thexyz: well, you send a pacet once and it arives at multiple locations
18:14 iqualfragile quite usefull for example for video conferences
18:15 thexyz and that's all?
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18:15 thexyz I'm migrating to it tomorrow then
18:15 iqualfragile thexyz: nah, i just like that particiular feature
18:15 iqualfragile routing will be better and faster
18:16 iqualfragile everybody actually has an adress
18:17 thexyz look how adblock ruins the internet
18:17 thexyz https://easylist.adblockplus.org/blog/2013​/05/10/anti-adblock-guide-for-site-admins
18:17 thexyz "we do not allow"
18:17 thexyz "it must"
18:17 iqualfragile adblock is fucked up
18:18 iqualfragile why would you use it?
18:18 reactor It's shit.
18:18 iqualfragile just use request policy, it fixes the internet
18:18 thexyz I don't know
18:18 reactor Why not use privoxy and someonewhocares' hosts list?
18:18 thexyz I should stop using it, you're right
18:19 thexyz or perhaps switch to blacklisting instead of whitelisting
18:19 thexyz of ads
18:19 reactor Aren't ads already blacklisted?
18:21 iqualfragile thexyz: just install request policy, it realy fixes the internet
18:21 reactor Too bad it's only for Godzilla.
18:21 reactor And my method works with any browser.
18:22 iqualfragile reactor: what other browser would there be?
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18:23 reactor iqualfragile: xombrero, for example.
18:23 reactor I'm also going to check out uzbl.
18:23 iqualfragile oh dear
18:23 reactor They all do the same Firefox does.
18:23 reactor Just not as full of shit.
18:23 thexyz iqualfragile: is it available for chromium?
18:23 iqualfragile thexyz: i have no idea
18:24 thexyz I guess that no
18:24 iqualfragile i do not like increasing googles might even more
18:24 thexyz what does it do?
18:24 iqualfragile just search
18:24 PilzAdam sapier, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7959
18:24 iqualfragile it disallows websites to load any recources from other domains
18:24 thexyz oh well
18:24 iqualfragile the user can then manually allow them to do so
18:24 thexyz I might as well disable HTML in my browser entirely
18:25 iqualfragile wtf?
18:25 iqualfragile it fixes ads and tracking
18:25 thexyz I don't want to allow anything
18:26 thexyz I'm fine with ads and I don't care much about tracking
18:26 iqualfragile in that case you do not need it
18:26 thexyz because ads give money to people who own sites I visit
18:26 thexyz I guess
18:26 katyusha thexyz, have you considered running your own dns server?
18:26 iqualfragile yes, but anything that moves is too fucking annoying
18:26 thexyz no, why?
18:26 katyusha I run one on my machine locally that blocks advertisements
18:26 katyusha using dnsmasq
18:26 thexyz iqualfragile: that's why I want blacklist, not whitelist
18:27 reactor ...I wish there was an option to _load_ ads (so that the money go to whoever hosts them), but not _display_ them.
18:27 thexyz that's not how ads work
18:27 reactor Or, to save the bandwidth, to _pretend to load_ them.
18:27 reactor Oh?
18:27 RealBadAngel PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/NbOIZqP.jpg
18:28 thexyz faking views will just make advertising companies decrease revenue
18:28 iqualfragile thexyz: what if nobody knows that it are fake views?
18:29 thexyz if that solution will be popular enough then of course they'll know
18:29 thexyz you can just say "hey, we know that 2/3 of views are fake anyway"
18:29 iqualfragile well, they will never know
18:29 thexyz "so let's decrease revenue 3 times"
18:30 thexyz also, I think most ad providers pay for clicks
18:31 reactor imulate clicks.
18:31 reactor Simulate*
18:31 iqualfragile no, that would be fraud
18:31 thexyz "and then since we know that 2/3 of clicks are fake anyway.." you get the point
18:31 thexyz I'm raging about this because I've just installed some ads to my some homepage
18:33 thexyz and 2/3 of visits use adblock
18:34 FreeFull If they don't want to see they ads, they don't want to see the ads
18:35 Peacock adblock has been pretty universal for a while now
18:36 Peacock if people hadn't gone overboard with banners, popups and flash-ads, there wouldn't have been a need really
18:36 thexyz FreeFull: or they just installed it because hey it's cool or something
18:36 thexyz and now don't even know about ads
18:36 Peacock i doubt anyone cares about ads
18:36 PilzAdam what about people that use browsers that dont have the features needed to display the ads?
18:37 reactor Peacock: true, in my case they only get in the way.
18:37 thexyz PilzAdam: statistical error
18:37 reactor If the product is good, there are other ways you would know about it.
18:37 reactor By socialising, for example.
18:38 FreeFull I disable adblock for the websites I care about
18:38 Peacock imagine on a netbook with a 10" screen, the ads take up most the real estate
18:38 reactor True.
18:38 thexyz depends on ads
18:38 thexyz adblock disables everything
18:38 PilzAdam there is a whitelist in adblock
18:38 thexyz then tricks advertising companies into paying them
18:38 thexyz to enable ads back
18:39 thexyz yes, that's called whitelist or something like that
18:39 * BlockMen blocks everything that is not content related
18:39 reactor "Allow showing some unintrusive advertising"
18:39 FreeFull I look at it this way: The ads are downloaded to my computer. I'm not going to let my computer do something I don't want it to do. If the content creator really doesn't want me to see the content without seeing the ads, they shouldn't let me see the content.
18:40 iqualfragile PilzAdam: NO, NO there is not whitelist in adblock
18:40 reactor FreeFull: good point.
18:40 iqualfragile its just a list of sites that the adblock devs forced to pay money to get their ads whitelisted
18:40 reactor We're free to control how our machines display information.
18:40 BlockMen iqualfragile, its called "Ausnahmen" under "Optionen" :P
18:40 FreeFull iqualfragile: You can make your own whitelists, always could. And Plus doesn't have to be the adblock you use
18:40 thexyz FreeFull: that's cool but I'm afraid this is against AdSense rules
18:41 thexyz so I can't even ask user to turn off adblock (with or without blocking the content)
18:42 thexyz in the end users don't even know if there are ads, even if they like the site and want to support it
18:42 FreeFull It helps that I also have flash set as click to play
18:42 BlockMen thexyz, why not put it on the site then. "dear visitor, please enable ...."?
18:42 thexyz BlockMen: > this is against AdSense rules
18:43 PilzAdam BlockMen, "Hier könnte Ihre werbung stehen! (aber sie sehen sie nicht weil Sie adblock benutzen" ;-)
18:43 * BlockMen didn't know
18:43 BlockMen thexyz, ok
18:44 thexyz I didn't until not so long ago too
18:45 thexyz in the end most of the time it's users that suffer (because no new features; site owners not interested in supporting it, etc)
18:45 BlockMen PilzAdam, "Internet. Dafür wird Werbung gemacht?" :P
18:46 sapier PilzAdam guess that's result of mintest folder structure messup
18:46 PilzAdam sapier, messup? seems like you just forgot to look into sharedir
18:47 sapier of o course and after that I forgot to look there and of course I didn't use my crystal ball to decide what is current location for this special user ... i know ;-P
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18:48 sapier directory order needs to be specified I'm annoyed about changing back and forward once a months because someone thinks it's now wrong ;-P
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18:50 MegafAtWork sfan5: ping
18:50 PilzAdam sapier, just look at the code you replaced, that specifies the directories to look into
18:50 sapier no I wont because there wasn't a screenshot before
18:51 MegafAtWork PilzAdam: ShadowNinja: Hi there, I downloaded the latest build today again and still have same issue, cmaked it with Debug and warn all but gdb full wont give too useful info =/
18:51 MegafAtWork It keeps crashing eventually at the exact moment I hit enter to send a chat message
18:52 MegafAtWork sometimes it will crash soon and sometimes I can play for hours without crashes
18:52 Jordach update your Irrlicht
18:52 PilzAdam MegafAtWork, maybe try with a debug build of irrlicht
18:52 sapier screeshot is loaded from wehre all other default textures are loaded if that file isn't there it's not a bug in mainmenu
18:52 MegafAtWork Jordach, that could do indeed, I will try that when I get home, thanks
18:53 MegafAtWork sfan5: nevermind
18:53 Jordach MegafAtWork, 1.7.3 is known to work fine
18:56 MegafAtWork Jordach: It is the 1.7.3
18:56 MegafAtWork http://packages.debian.org/search?​suite=wheezy&amp;keywords=irrlicht
18:57 Jordach try 1.8 at best
18:57 thexyz android build tells me it's 1.9.0
18:58 sfan5 MegafAtWork: hm?
18:58 MegafAtWork sfan5: I was just wondering about some stuff about World Edit
18:58 MegafAtWork I will make a city like thing on my server and I will use a lot of hexagon shaped things
18:59 MegafAtWork but I made up my mind already
19:01 thexyz http://dogecoin.com/
19:05 MegafAtWork We have bitcoin already
19:07 thexyz oh really?
19:08 MegafAtWork lol
19:09 MegafAtWork for my honeycomb like thing I think I will shape stuff manually and then use save and load to replicate
19:10 MegafAtWork Are there screenshots of World Edit GUI? I'm curious about it
19:16 sfan5 MegafAtWork: the worldedit gui was discontinued
19:16 sfan5 it is much faster to do things in a command anyway
19:18 MegafAtWork yep, indeed, as I said, I'm just curious about it
19:18 MegafAtWork sfan5: by the way, I found World Edit fantastic, thank you for it
19:18 MegafAtWork I will buy you a beer or a soda if I meet you someday
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19:29 MegafAtWork cya
19:29 MegafAtWork ok, got to go
19:29 sfan5 MegafAtWork: if your live near a popular tourist city that might happen one day
19:29 MegafAtWork Bye
19:29 thexyz heh
19:29 sfan5 bye
19:29 thexyz If the Author of the Software (the "Author") needs a place to crash and you have a sofa available, you should maybe give the Author a break and let him sleep on your couch.
19:29 thexyz If you are caught in a dire situation wherein you only have enough time to save one person out of a group, and the Author is a member of that group, you must save the Author.
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19:30 Peacock author = emergency rations, if you starve, eat him/her
19:30 sfan5 but.. but... who will write all the software?
19:31 thexyz we already have enough software!
19:31 thexyz and it only gets worse and worse (gnome)
19:38 Peacock pre-fisher-price gnome was better, xfce back then wasn't much useable, and i still find kde somewhat klunky lol
19:39 Peacock though what annoys the most with kde is how alot of apps start with k
19:39 Peacock it all feels very white supremacist
19:42 specing Any admins of the Minirealms server on here?
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19:44 Megaf Back, at home
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19:56 sfan5 lol http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/c​omments/1sgm56/what_is_the_beststra​ngest_thing_you_have_seen/cdxdsle
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19:58 sfan5 this one's even better
19:58 sfan5 http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/c​omments/1sgm56/what_is_the_beststra​ngest_thing_you_have_seen/cdxehbo
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20:17 Jordach Interesting fact: select some text then hit quick quote to just do that section
20:22 thexyz wow
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20:22 thexyz that's like what this link is for
20:24 * PilzAdam didnt knew that
20:28 BlockMen bye
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20:32 Peacock with no heating on at all the temperature keeps rising to 23c, middle of a snow storm and i got the windows open lol
20:32 VanessaE time to throttle some of your PCs back a bit :P
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20:32 Peacock well even at night i only got 1 on and it goes up to 23 :P
20:33 VanessaE add a fan in the window? :)
20:33 Peacock the heatsink on the p4 is pretty shitty, and the PSU is 600w, but still
20:33 VanessaE 600W?  that's rather overkill for a P4-based system isn't it?
20:33 Peacock well the last one (400W) blew so i didn't want to take any chances lol
20:34 Peacock coulda cooked a grilled cheese on the last one lol
20:35 Peacock the other comps' too young to have any new parts, the p4 barely has anything original left except the mobo and the case lol
20:42 Peacock well its a good thing i got emergency supplies at the liquor store, looks like the snows' not about to end any time soon :P must finish tree
20:42 Megaf Im using a Cooler Master PSU, 350 Watts
20:42 Megaf more than enough
20:43 Megaf and its from 2008 I think
20:44 Peacock well if an old 400w blew, i dont think smaller woulda worked for me
20:44 Peacock keep in mind the p4 didn't come OTS with wifi or shit like that, i had to add it later :P
20:45 Peacock and for awhile, it had two drives, ye old 160g PATA died last year
20:45 Exio4 my desktop actually has more shit than my phone
20:45 Exio4 wifi, bluetooth, 3g
20:45 Exio4 i need a gps and i'm done!
20:45 Peacock i have a bluetooth dongle somewhere
20:46 Exio4 i have it plugged all the time
20:46 Peacock paying for 3g in canada is nonstop assrape though so i avoid it :P
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20:47 Peacock as for my phone, it actually lasted the whole 3 year contract and still going strong lol
20:47 Exio4 3g is fucking expensive, but it can be a good thing to have internet when the wifi router. main network doesn't work and you need to use the interwebz yes-or-yes
20:47 Peacock well i just pay for my DSL, it rarely goes down
20:47 Exio4 i have a 200mb plan on my phone, and if i use 3g, i use that chip
20:47 Peacock 200mb?
20:48 Peacock looking at my inbound in conky for today : uptime 9hrs42mn, inbound 123mb
20:48 Exio4 200mb and after i used those mb, it is like 100 ars = 10 mb or some expensive shit
20:48 Exio4 yeah,           RX bytes:1513004452 (1.4 GiB)  TX bytes:741632773 (707.2 MiB)
20:48 Exio4 and 18~ hours of uptime, with uber-shitty network
20:49 Peacock if you look at it that way yeah i do have APN (internet on cell) and i can use it at a hotspot, but i would never lol
20:49 Exio4 also, 41% of hannibal ep6 :D
20:49 Peacock i saw them all, cant wait for next season
20:49 Exio4 i'm downloading them in fullHD
20:50 Peacock that dutch dude is even better at hannibal than the movie guy
20:50 Exio4 hah
20:50 Peacock dunno, downloaded dvd and br quality, my eyes can't tell the difference (newer comp does br well)
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20:51 Peacock what sucks is with older series you get really shitty rips that were done ten or more years ago
20:51 Exio4 is your screen 1920x1080? :P
20:51 Peacock both
20:52 Peacock 24" is nice, but i want a bigger one, the HP can support 2
20:52 pitriss hi, please, is possible to log only warnings/errors  in minetest server?
20:52 Peacock though were thinking of converting an old door into a desk because it's getting ridiculous in our present setup lol
20:53 Exio4 i only has a 21.5" screen cuz poor :P
20:53 Peacock im not fucking rich either LOL im pretty oldschool by western standards, i save up for shit, dont use CC's
20:53 Exio4 using credit card is actually cheaper, here
20:54 VanessaE 21"?  luxury.  I have a pair of 17's that I bought refurb;d.
20:54 Peacock like i often told the wife, using CC's is like mortgaging future paycheques, and it's hella easy to put off paying for shit
20:55 Peacock weird V, 24" should be cheaper there than here
20:55 Peacock first 24" cost 200$ 4-5 years ago, the last 24" cost 130$
20:55 VanessaE I bought these years ago
20:55 VanessaE they were the cheapest option at the time
20:55 Peacock and the 130$ one is LED and thinner than the first
20:55 VanessaE eek
20:55 VanessaE these were like $100 apiece
20:56 Peacock not bad, id hold onto them even if you got bigger ones
20:56 Exio4 Peacock: if you buy some shit in 12, hm, cuotas (how do you say this in english?) with a 10% interest, it ends being cheaper because the inflation
20:56 VanessaE one of them is dieing, so eventually I'll replace both (and give the good one to Abe as a secondary monitor for his box)
20:56 VanessaE but for now, they serve.
20:56 Peacock you mean it's cheaper when inflation > interest?
20:56 Exio4 yeah
20:57 Exio4 think, my computer is 40% more now
20:57 Peacock yeah here inflation is like, 2-3%, and CC interest is 19-23%
20:57 VanessaE inflation here is closer to 10%
20:57 VanessaE but the feds claim it's closer to 1.5%
20:57 Exio4 and there are times when you get discouts of the 10% when using the CC + cuotas sin intereses
20:58 Peacock well by law we're supposed to get discounts when we pay cash
20:58 VanessaE cuotas....tax?
20:58 Peacock all those financing plans for furniture and shit are usually padded for interest, then they charge interest on top lool
20:58 VanessaE (sounds like value-added tax or sales tax or similar)
20:59 Exio4 when you pay something in X months giving those months Z*1.interest/X money each month
20:59 kaeza evenings
20:59 VanessaE installments.
20:59 Exio4 kaeza: ayudame a traducir
21:00 Exio4 ah, k
21:00 VanessaE hey kaeza
21:00 Peacock dunno, i've done well so far avoiding credit lol
21:01 VanessaE here if you avoid credit, you get screwed when you finally need it
21:01 Megaf fuck
21:01 Megaf im not playing this shit
21:01 Megaf I just cant talk anymore
21:01 VanessaE so play some other shit?
21:01 Megaf I hit enter to send a chat message and this shit crashes
21:01 VanessaE report it
21:01 VanessaE #minetest-dev
21:02 Peacock meh, if house prices keep going the way they are, i doubt ill be able to buy one anyhow lol
21:02 Megaf VanessaE, I dont have useful info
21:02 VanessaE run your client under gdb, using a debug build
21:02 Peacock that chat segfault bug is still there?
21:02 VanessaE get a full backtrace
21:02 Megaf just a useless debug info that I did show to PilzAdam and ShadowNinja already
21:02 Megaf VanessaE, I did, not useful at all
21:02 VanessaE keep reporting it
21:02 kaeza ?
21:03 VanessaE if you have to, yell about it every time it crashes
21:03 Megaf VanessaE, and it always crashes in important conversations
21:03 Megaf thats the most annoying thing
21:03 Peacock long messages?
21:03 Megaf hm
21:03 Megaf is 10 words long?
21:03 VanessaE sometimes you just have no choice but to make a big stink about it and keep making a big stink until someone fucking does something about it, you know what I mean?
21:03 Peacock well mine always did that when i sent long messages lol
21:03 Megaf see?
21:04 Megaf Im not the only one
21:04 Peacock V we might all be old men by then :P
21:04 Megaf stinking shit
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21:04 kaeza the chat crash bug has been happening rarely later (it never happened to me since somewhere in 0.4.7 → 0.4.8)
21:04 Peacock yeah it's not new by any measure
21:05 Megaf PilzAdam, ShadowNinja, read what Peacock's saying
21:05 Megaf wheres c55?
21:05 VanessaE it still happens rarely for me even under 0.4.8, but *very* rarely
21:05 VanessaE megaf, c55 is no longer the head of the project
21:05 Jordach don't. Megaf. don't.
21:05 Megaf Jordach, dont what?
21:05 VanessaE it's more or less evenly divided among several core developers now
21:05 Jordach do not bug c55 on trivial things
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21:06 Exio4 don't bug c55 on any things
21:06 gitfter megaf are a bastard
21:06 Exio4 wat.
21:06 Peacock but i wanted to paint my bathroom, and would like c55's input on colour schemes :(
21:06 Megaf gitfter, you here?
21:06 gitfter yes.
21:06 gitfter YES.
21:06 Exio4 lol Peacock
21:06 Megaf gitfter, are you gifteronemo?
21:06 gitfter YEES.
21:06 Megaf gitfter, why the hell you grief my servers?
21:06 VanessaE gitfter: his client crashed.  chat bug.
21:07 Megaf VanessaE, I just jailed him on my server
21:07 gitfter i dont grief your servers...
21:07 VanessaE Megaf: I presumed some action to that effect.
21:07 Megaf gitfter, there are several variants of nicks gifteronemo who grief my server
21:07 Exio4 Peacock: here, you can ask for credit in an ATM with an interest of 25%~
21:07 Megaf gitfter, what does gifteronemo means?
21:08 Megaf is that a common word?
21:08 Peacock yeah here its a cash advance on a credit card
21:08 VanessaE Exio4: an ATM will extend you a line of credit O.o
21:08 Peacock unless you have a line of credit on your bank account
21:08 Peacock or overdraft
21:08 VanessaE oh sure, if you have a credit/charge card, yeah
21:08 VanessaE or overdraft.
21:08 gitfter Megaf , Do you remember the good old times on your server where I came the first time?
21:08 Exio4 debit card VanessaE
21:08 Peacock same thing more or less
21:09 Peacock the terms under which the bank has intercourse with you may be slightly different though
21:09 Megaf gitfter, all I know is there are a lot of grefing that was done by a lot of people called gifteronemo
21:09 gitfter it was so beautiful until it was larry page ...
21:09 VanessaE banks here are misers.  they won't extend loans, lines of credit, overdraft protection, or anything else similar without tons of good credit information and often good sources of income (despite you being able to actually pay for it)
21:09 VanessaE gitfter, Megaf, take it to another channel.
21:10 Exio4 VanessaE: how much is a salary on the US?
21:10 Exio4 normal one
21:10 Exio4 not uber-low nor uber-nice
21:10 VanessaE Exio4: median income is somewhere around $40 or $50k/yr.  the average is closer to $30k/yr.  "Middle class" would be somewhere north of $75k/yr.  "Poverty" would be under $15k/yr or so.
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21:11 VanessaE (all figures for 1-2 person households)
21:11 Peacock V certainly the polar opposite of the era of NINJA loans pre 2007
21:11 VanessaE Peacock: no, those still exist.  We call them "pay advance" loans.
21:12 VanessaE (or "pay day loans" or similar.  APY of close to 400 percent)
21:12 Exio4 it is about 4500-5000 ARS here
21:12 Exio4 /mo
21:12 Peacock though if you want a healthy banking sector, they do have to be misers. we never liberalized our banks here to the same extent as the US
21:12 Exio4 we're behind the line of poverty of the US
21:13 Exio4 neat
21:13 Peacock and when the US housing market crashed our dollar reached parity with yours, growing up it was 60cents/USD
21:13 VanessaE Peacock: sure, but if you have the ability to pay, the bank should extend you the loan.  they make money, you get he things you need/want.  everyone wins.
21:13 VanessaE Exio4: yeah but you can probably live quite nicely on $15k/yr where you live.  here, you can barely afford to pay rent, utilities, and a healthy diet on that.
21:13 Peacock so either they're being overly cautious or they're finding things in your credit history
21:14 Exio4 VanessaE: people here rarely pays rent
21:14 * Jordach is seriously upgrading the gen 4 model
21:14 gitfter esist a credit mod in minetest?
21:14 VanessaE Peacock: both.
21:14 Peacock i prefer to pay rent lol
21:14 Exio4 people normally owns the terrain
21:14 Exio4 and the house, and so on
21:15 gitfter with a credit you have more security
21:15 VanessaE Exio4: people own land here too, but banks won't sell you the land without credit.
21:15 VanessaE it's a vicious cycle.
21:15 Exio4 tf?
21:15 VanessaE yeah
21:16 Exio4 there was even a credit from the gov
21:16 Exio4 that gave people the posibility of having a terrain and make a house and so on
21:16 VanessaE you have to find ways to build a good credit history, and you do that by finding ways to buy stuff on credit....but to buy stuff on credit, you usually need a good history, and if you wanna buy land or a house or a car and you don't have the cash for it up front, again you need good credit, so you're back to the beginning.
21:16 gitfter example minetstcreditcard.gov
21:16 VanessaE so basically, you're fucked.
21:16 VanessaE gitfter: um, no.  just, no.
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21:18 Peacock i may end up buying a condo one day, but i have no need for a full house
21:19 VanessaE Exio4: to make it worse, there are like four agencies in this country, all of them privately-run, who track peoples' credit, and who everyone else refers to when checking someones credit, who basically don't have to answer to anyone.  If they get your data wrong, good luck getting them to correct it (despite there being laws that should theoretically force them to).  and if, like me, you've made mistakes in your life, good luck
21:19 VanessaE getting them to help you clean up and start over.
21:19 VanessaE in this country, if you don't maintain good credit all your life, you.  are.  fucked.
21:19 Exio4 so it is a good thing i live in argentina, then
21:19 VanessaE yes
21:19 Exio4 ha
21:19 VanessaE stay as far away from the USA as you ca
21:19 Peacock well those agencies work for creditors, not debtors
21:20 VanessaE can*
21:20 VanessaE Peacock: they work for themselves :P
21:20 Exio4 VanessaE: if i go to the US i will end just buying tech shit
21:20 Peacock well it's the creditors that pay for credit checks :P
21:20 gitfter TeamSpeak is compatible in minetest?
21:20 VanessaE Exio4: go to china. it's cheaper and you can buy direct from the source then :)
21:20 Exio4 because, the shit that is 5k ARS here, is about 2.5k or less ARS
21:20 VanessaE gitfter: minetest doesn't use stuff like that at all.
21:20 Exio4 going to china is probably expensiver
21:20 Peacock as for argentina > US, well i wouldn't go that far if you take into account the 2000 default and the inflation since then :P
21:21 Exio4 the inflation was somewhat well til 2006~
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21:21 john_minetest hello again
21:21 Peacock if anything latin america has more inequality, i should know, family members report back
21:21 Exio4 i remember being a child and buying a 1.5l coke, cheetos, candies, and shit with a 10 ARS bill
21:22 VanessaE that's cheap all right
21:22 VanessaE now it'll cost you about twice that amoun
21:22 VanessaE amount
21:22 Exio4 that is about 70 ARS now
21:22 VanessaE (depending on how large of a bag of cheetos)
21:22 gitfter im making a 3d game :3
21:22 Exio4 or more, depends where you buy
21:23 Peacock jesus, ever thought about debasing the currency?
21:23 john_minetest gitfter: Cool, what kind of game?
21:23 Exio4 VanessaE: a medium-sized one of cheetos + 1.5l coke + medium sized lays + candy was 10 ARS
21:23 gitfter more info... wait...
21:23 Peacock for us 10$ is 2 cheeseburgers a poutine and a coke
21:23 Exio4 now a 1.5l coke is about 15ARS if you buy packs of it, or normally 18ARS
21:24 Exio4 and the medium sized pack of cheetos or lays are about 18 each, if you get them cheap that is
21:24 Exio4 i rarely see them less 20 ARS
21:24 Exio4 and i bought shit with 10 ARS in an "expensive place"
21:25 gitfter here: http://www.develteam.com/Game/Night-in-Google/
21:25 Peacock they should debase the currency by one decimal place :P
21:25 Peacock how much does a sixpack cost?
21:25 Exio4 sixpack of what? coke@2.25l?
21:25 Peacock beer :P
21:26 Exio4 i never checked those prices, i drink about 8l of coke / week (at least) ;P
21:26 Peacock i dont suppose you can tell me what a pack of 20 cigs costs either :P
21:26 Exio4 yep
21:27 gitfter like?
21:27 Peacock well kaeza might know actually he smokes and lives in argentina
21:27 Exio4 and what about the fernet Peacock
21:27 Exio4 he lives in uruguay
21:27 kaeza a good brand here is about 90 UY$
21:27 Peacock fernet?
21:27 Peacock uruguay?
21:27 kaeza Peacock, no
21:27 Exio4 fernet con coca cola!
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21:28 Peacock i dont they have that inca cola stuff down there though?
21:28 gitfter what!? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJgR3Wy4BKI
21:28 gitfter sende me in a pm on youtube...
21:28 gitfter sended to me
21:29 LazyJ VanessaE, what part of Splizard's snow mod conflicts with plantlife? The ice generation?
21:29 VanessaE nothing at all.  The engine's map generator just does weird shit, is all.  mud reflow and like that.
21:30 VanessaE in fact, plants_lib uses the same perlin settings for the temperature map as what snow biomes mod uses, for compatibility with it
21:30 LazyJ Ok, thanks. That shoots my idea of cutting out the conflicting code idea.
21:30 john_minetest gitfter: It even has a drop
21:31 VanessaE LazyJ: that said,
21:31 Exio4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernet
21:31 Exio4 It is commonly mixed with cola
21:31 VanessaE I have NOT run snow biomes with plants_lib/moretrees since transitioning moretrees to only spawn saplings at mapgen time, so the "weird shit" may not be nearly as much of an issue now
21:31 LazyJ I've been trying to get snow to play nice with ferns, dry_plants, and moretrees.
21:31 VanessaE oh that's easy peasy
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21:32 VanessaE just use temperature limits that are appropriate to the plants in question.
21:32 VanessaE plants_lib will do the rest.
21:32 VanessaE temp_min = num, temp_max = num,
21:33 Megaf and crashed again
21:33 LazyJ Where are these temperature limits entered and is there any documentation to study?
21:33 VanessaE set those in your spawn_on_surfaces()/generate_on_surfaces() calls and plants_lib will handle it
21:33 Exio4 wait
21:33 Megaf minetest is the world record leader in crashes
21:33 VanessaE look at the bottom of the API :)(
21:33 VanessaE https://raw.github.com/Vanes​saE/plantlife/master/API.txt
21:33 VanessaE the temperature map is described there
21:34 LazyJ Ah, thanks.
21:35 Peacock temperature map : math.random(-32000,32000)
21:35 VanessaE not..quite
21:35 Peacock lol
21:35 LazyJ So far whenever I have the snow mod and the ferns, dry_plants, and moretrees installed together the snow mod has prevented the plant mods from producing.
21:35 Exio4 malboro, 11,50 ARS iirc
21:35 VanessaE LazyJ: from producing *at all* or just within a snow biome?
21:35 Exio4 20 ^
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21:36 LazyJ Producing at all.
21:36 Peacock 11.50 pretty close to what we pay here in $CDN
21:36 VanessaE I think that's the engine doing that, but idk why it happens
21:36 Exio4 $CDN?
21:36 Peacock so either youre getting fucked on food or we're getting fucked on tobacco lol
21:36 LazyJ I've tried test worlds were the only mods were the snow and plant mods.
21:36 kaeza Content Delivery Network Dollars?
21:36 LazyJ Even used the same mapseed in the tests.
21:37 VanessaE because I've run snow biomes + plants_lib + moretrees successfully.  the only issue was that trees often got chopped off at mapblock borders (this probably won't happen anymore)
21:37 Peacock *CAD
21:37 Exio4 think 1 USD ~= 6.3 (at official rate), =~ 8.5 (credit card dollar), =~ 10 for having it cash
21:37 Exio4 ah
21:37 LazyJ Snow only world, plant only world, both world, all the same seed.
21:37 VanessaE LazyJ: weird.
21:37 LazyJ Weird only because I still don't know what I'm doing. :)
21:37 Exio4 Peacock: how much is 1l of petrol, 95 octanes
21:38 Peacock oh god, around 1.30$/l
21:38 Exio4 ~9.7 ARS
21:38 Peacock i dont bother owning a car either lol license + insurance nearly as much as rent
21:38 Exio4 license?
21:38 Exio4 it is like 80 ARS here, iirc
21:38 Peacock i moved to a small city/town and found a place downtown of that lol
21:38 Exio4 also, the insurance isn't that expensive here
21:39 Exio4 200~ ARS / mo iirc
21:39 Exio4 (20 USD / mo?)
21:39 Peacock oh no you get insurance here you need lubricant because either way you're getting f*cked
21:39 Exio4 hm
21:39 VanessaE gas runs about $3.80 per US gallon here, for 93 octane
21:40 Peacock they used to charge licenses every two years, now it's every year, same amount
21:40 Exio4 hm
21:40 VanessaE so close to $1 USD per L
21:40 Exio4 [18:40:44] <@Exio4> !convert 1 gallon to litre
21:40 Exio4 [18:40:45] <nx> Exio4: 3.79
21:40 Exio4 fuck logic!
21:40 Peacock they wanna raise hydro (electricity) rates 6% this year, though with a minority gov't, i wouldn't bank on it going through ;)
21:41 Exio4 1.001 USD / l
21:41 VanessaE I'd call that "close"
21:41 Peacock imagine, we have a socialist/seperatist gov't, and they wanna raise rates, the right wing seperatist gov't is ready to call an election over it
21:41 VanessaE it varies by region and even by which part of the city you're in
21:42 Peacock *second gov't = party
21:42 Exio4 same here VanessaE
21:42 VanessaE I could drive 1km and find it for 10 cents per gal cheaper for no real reason, or go 30km south and bam, it's 30 cents/gal cheaper down there
21:43 Peacock well speaking as someone who's worked gas stations, you're fucked either way, when the nearest gas station raises prices, that one usually does too
21:43 Exio4 VanessaE: what is your car?
21:43 VanessaE an old 1992 cadillac deville
21:43 Exio4 my father's => https://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/Volkswagen_Passat_%28B4%29
21:43 Exio4 45 miles per US gallon
21:44 VanessaE gets about 23mpg on the highway on a good day, (13 in the city, averages about 16 combined)
21:44 Exio4 my father's car autonomy: 1 ARS = 2km (in city)
21:45 VanessaE I'd love to own a Leaf or Volt or Prius or Spark or some other nice, green car
21:45 VanessaE but they aren't cheap.
21:45 Exio4 diesel ftw :P
21:47 Peacock my last car: http://www.imperialclub.com/Ye​arByYear/1977/Bob/ATT00969.jpg
21:47 Exio4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/​Turbocharged_Direct_Injection
21:49 Exio4 i miss our 1998 hyundai elantra
21:49 Exio4 :(
21:49 Peacock i had a thing for old land boats back lol
21:52 VanessaE ours may be a land boat, but we bought it because it was cheap.
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21:52 VanessaE $500, plus it cost us about $300 in bus tickets and fuel for the trip there and the return trip to take it home (it was two states away)
21:52 Peacock not that one, this one: http://www.imperialclub.com/Ye​arByYear/1977/Bob/ATT00969.jpg
21:53 VanessaE naw, not that old
21:53 VanessaE http://www.gmphotostore.com/1992-Cadill​ac-Sedan-DeVille/productinfo/53218502/#.UqY79kMkVpg
21:54 VanessaE excpt ours has the fabric roof top ("faux convertible") and is not nearly as nice looking anymore
21:55 Exio4 800 USD for a car?
21:55 Exio4 did you buy an engine with wheels
21:56 Exio4 or was it a car
21:56 VanessaE we had to put a lot of work into it to make it what we consider 'good' enough
21:56 VanessaE but we drove it home that day, despite.
21:56 VanessaE all told, we've put about $2500 worth of work into it over the years
21:57 VanessaE most of that was maintenance and repairs that the original owners just never bothered to do
21:57 VanessaE it was indeed a car
21:57 Exio4 ah
21:57 VanessaE lemme see if I can find the old photo album
21:58 Exio4 my father is a mechanical, he 'repairs' the passat by himself
21:58 VanessaE (Abe took pics of the car when we bought it)
21:58 Exio4 and it actually has a lot of shit broken, cuz he doesn't want to spend a lot of money on it
21:58 Peacock i thought i had more christmas balls then that, hope i didn't lose any in the move :/
22:00 VanessaE https://plus.google.com/photos/11518514489776443​6393/albums/5489565230629978993?partnerid=gplp0
22:00 Exio4 and the passat is actually damn fast and cheap
22:00 VanessaE can you see that?
22:00 PilzAdam google link :-/
22:00 VanessaE so don't follow it, PilzAdam
22:00 Peacock google, less evil than Dr Oetker
22:00 Peacock :P
22:02 Exio4 Missouri? does it say from what state is the patente?
22:02 Exio4 thought it would say something that is the same around the whole US
22:03 VanessaE nope, each state has their own rules in that regard
22:03 VanessaE we live in North Carolina now, so it bears tags from this state now
22:04 VanessaE patente?  you mean the title?
22:04 Exio4 yeah, i tend to use the word in spanish cuz they sound cuter than the english counterpart
22:05 VanessaE same deal
22:06 VanessaE the title goes with whatever state you're in.  If you move your residence to a new state, you must re-title your car there
22:07 VanessaE (the process is usually painless and doesn't take too long, and usually isn't expensive, at least on old cars like mine)
22:07 Exio4 like if you moved to other country
22:07 VanessaE similar yeah
22:08 VanessaE here, each state likes to act as though they're a separate country...until it comes time for the feds to hand out the budgets, then they're usually all "we're all one big happy country"
22:09 Exio4 there is some shit that isn't worth to be state-managed
22:10 virtualfall goodnight
22:10 Peacock well if america can't innovate it's only because everything is so over-regulated
22:10 PilzAdam bye
22:11 Exio4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shift_time
22:11 Exio4 The fastest (Race gearbox) manual: 250 ms
22:11 Exio4 really? i thought i was being faster than 1/4s :(
22:11 Peacock even starting a business has become a tremendous pain in the ass
22:11 VanessaE Peacock: there's a lot of shit that isn't regulated enough, too
22:12 VanessaE 250ms?  Please, I have faster reaction time than that on the track...with an automatic, yet.
22:12 Exio4 i've never used an automatic gearbox
22:12 Exio4 i don't like them that much tho
22:13 EvergreenTree evergreen.shutown("bye")
22:13 Exio4 with manual you can choose to be power-efficient but don't have awesome reactions (3rd gear on city), or haz the car at 2.5k+ but nice reactions (2nd)
22:13 Exio4 can you do that VanessaE? :3
22:13 virtualfall virtualfall.shutdown.from.italy
22:13 VanessaE yup
22:14 Exio4 how? :P
22:14 Peacock the europeans are going to bed :P
22:14 Peacock she would tuck them in?
22:14 Peacock *should
22:14 VanessaE I've drive a stick plenty of times.  I prefer them to automatics, but you can't exactly get automatic + "luxury car" in the same package when all you have to choose from are sub-$1000 used cars
22:14 VanessaE driven*
22:14 VanessaE ("a stick" is a synonym for "a manual transmission" here)
22:15 VanessaE aw fuck
22:15 VanessaE you can't exactly get a stick + luxury, is what I meant
22:15 Calinou <Exio4> diesel ftw :P
22:15 Calinou diesel is terrible
22:15 Exio4 why Calinou?
22:15 Calinou <VanessaE> I'd love to own a Leaf or Volt or Prius or Spark or some other nice, green car
22:15 Exio4 VanessaE: ah
22:16 Calinou they are not that green, but at least they are quiet (bad thing too sometimes)
22:16 Calinou also has battery issues
22:16 Exio4 your fault for using a car
22:16 Calinou Exio4, harmful to people's health
22:16 Exio4 why is it that harmful?
22:16 Calinou normal gas is harmful too, but not as much as diesel
22:16 Calinou diesel is the Intel of cars
22:16 VanessaE Calinou: they're green in the sense that they produce no or less emissions than most other cars, even accounting for burning coal to produce the electricity that the Volt et al. use.
22:16 Calinou and normal gas is the AMD... *rolls eyes*
22:17 Exio4 you use way less diesel with proper cars than petrol
22:17 VanessaE besides, I am more concerned with the impact on my wallet than the environment at this point, considering I already minimize my impact on the environment as it is.
22:18 Exio4 when you are not rich, that happens too
22:18 Exio4 you can't say "i want to be green and use something fucking expensive"
22:18 VanessaE an efficient car like the above is nice and would really save me a ton of money in the long term, if not for the cost of buying the damn car and the cost, as you rightfully point out, of batteries.
22:18 Exio4 i would like a diesel-only green car
22:19 Exio4 "green"
22:19 VanessaE but batteries are a non-issue environmentally, because they can be 100% recycled.
22:19 Exio4 like the Volswagen XL1 but diesel-only :P
22:19 VanessaE deisel is expensive here
22:19 VanessaE round about $3.90/gal
22:19 Exio4 really?
22:19 VanessaE yeah
22:19 Exio4 it is cheaper here... lol..
22:20 VanessaE the better economy doesn't make up for the higher price, either
22:20 Exio4 how much was it in 1995~?
22:20 VanessaE and diesel-powered passenger cars are somewhat uncommon, too
22:20 Exio4 yet for you 3.9USD is way less (in percent of a salary) than here
22:20 VanessaE (they can be found, but they are not actively marketed)
22:20 Exio4 VanessaE: they are 'uncommon' too but not that weird, i guess about 1 of 5 cars are diesel
22:21 VanessaE 3.90 is less as a percentage of income, but we have to spend more fuel than you, I expect, as we have to drive more to get anything done
22:21 VanessaE what's the averate daily home-to-work commute for you?
22:21 VanessaE average*
22:21 VanessaE my guess is close to zero due to mass trinsit?
22:21 VanessaE transit*
22:21 VanessaE (busses, trains)
22:22 Exio4 my father has to drive about 4km i guess, but i live in a small city
22:22 Exio4 people from bigger cities (Buenos Aires/Parana/Carlos Paz) can tell you they use even more than you
22:22 Exio4 my english skillz are shit
22:23 VanessaE here, the average drive to work is 35 km
22:23 VanessaE (so 70km daily round trip)
22:24 Exio4 also, cars from the US are way less efficient than any otherz :P
22:24 VanessaE mass transit is all but nonexistent except in larger cities
22:24 VanessaE yes, that is true too
22:24 VanessaE due to emissions standards here
22:24 VanessaE they have to burn cleaner, which has the ironic side effect of making them waste more in other ways
22:25 Exio4 and we got a lot of diesel cars, in the 1990s, with the neoliberal shit in argentina the diesel price was 0.3cents~ the litre and about 1 ARS the litre of petrol
22:25 Exio4 (at that time, 1 ARS = 1 USD til the default in 2001)
22:25 Exio4 that is when diesel got the "boom" here :P
22:25 Exio4 economics reasons
22:26 Exio4 Volswagen should make more 'green cars' but for the low-end public or mid-end at least
22:26 Exio4 i always miss the k
22:27 Exio4 Volkswagen
22:27 Exio4 there
22:27 Peacock really have too many ugly christmas ornaments - you know the kind people give you feel too guilty to throw out lol
22:28 Peacock though the back of tree is starting to have more stuff than the front lol
22:28 Exio4 0 to 100km in 14.3s? dat is slow!
22:28 Exio4 the palio can get to 150 in 15s!
22:29 Sokomine over here (germany), 1 l of "super" costs 1,60 euro, while disel currently is at 1,50 (roughly) per l
22:29 SylvieLorxu Sokomine: Still about 20 cents per liter cheaper than the Netherlands
22:29 Sokomine peacock: already decorating? we usually do on the 24.
22:29 Exio4 same ratios here Sokomine
22:29 Exio4 and super = 95octane?
22:30 Sokomine sylvielorxu: ah. seems you have even more tax on fuel than we do?
22:30 Exio4 (our "super", in non-YPF fuel is 95octane too)
22:30 SylvieLorxu We have pretty insane tax on fuel
22:30 SylvieLorxu And pretty insane taxes in general. 21% for "luxury goods"
22:30 Peacock 24th? wouldn't be worth the elaborateness of what we come up with
22:30 Peacock i started nearly two days ago
22:31 Sokomine exio: seems to be more or less that much octane, yes
22:31 Sokomine normal "benzin" was discontinued. it's now only versions of super plus disel
22:31 Sokomine peacock: :-)
22:32 Exio4 we have a normal VAT of 21%
22:32 Exio4 but year, we have about 50%~ of taxes to fuel
22:32 Sokomine peacock: last year, we decorated less. that looked even better. over the years, too many stuff as decoration has come up. it wouldn't look good with all that on the tree
22:33 Peacock well i dont buy a ton of decorations over the years, most of it was inherited
22:33 Peacock ornaments older than i am, etc..
22:33 Sokomine our normal mehrwertsteuer is at 19%. there's a reduced tax for some things (basic food, books, ...)
22:33 Sokomine peacock: *nod*. still, it sums up
22:34 Sokomine fuel has lots of extra taxes
22:34 Peacock though 90% of my decoration goes into the tree, if i can find my webcam ill post a pic of it when its done
22:34 Sokomine the us gallons are more than a liter. don't know the conversion rate
22:35 Sokomine that would be fine, peacock
22:35 VanessaE 1gal = 1.78L I think
22:36 Exio4 [18:40:44] <@Exio4> !convert 1 gallon to litre
22:36 Exio4 [18:40:45] <nx> Exio4: 3.79
22:36 Sokomine and a gallon is at 3.90 dollar? that would then be almost the same price as here. sounds unlikely
22:37 VanessaE Sokomine: for diesel, yep.
22:37 Sokomine so it would be ~8.20$/gallon in germany
22:38 Sokomine slightly less for disel :-)
22:38 Sokomine only 7.76 there then
22:38 VanessaE oh I wa sway wrong on gal to L.  heh
22:38 VanessaE anyway
22:38 Sokomine so only factor 2. thought it was more in the past
22:38 VanessaE but yeah, diesel is running $3.90/gal and petrol is $3.20 to $3.80/gal depending on octane and where you buy it
22:44 Exio4 In line with the European financial crisis, in Italy in 2011 the number of bicycle sales (1.75 million) just passed the number of new car sales.
22:44 Exio4 haha
22:47 Peacock if that's italy imagine the greecians
22:49 Peacock i heard they even kicked berlusconi out of the senate
22:49 Exio4 berlusconi for president
22:49 Peacock guy looks like hannibal from the hannibal movies lol
22:51 Exio4 47% :(
22:51 Peacock and he seems to be a complete crook to boot lol
22:51 Exio4 downloading shit is slow but this is at a rate of 1p / 2day
22:51 Exio4 so i'm k :D
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22:53 Exio4 also
22:54 Exio4 laptops are too expensive :(
22:54 Exio4 i need one for the uni, but they are, or uber-shitty (old underclocked cpus) for 4500~ ARS
22:54 VanessaE get a regular desktop, laptops are obsolete anyway :)
22:54 Exio4 (old pentiums or semprons)
22:54 VanessaE either you need portable (get a tablet) or you don't (get a PC)
22:54 Exio4 i already have a decent desktop, but i need something to write in-class
22:54 Exio4 writing with a touchscreen is shit
22:55 Exio4 and i know, i don't like them that much
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22:58 Exio4 heck
22:58 Exio4 i want more "modifiers" keys
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23:23 Pilcrow I've got an idea, but don't know if it'll even work. I like the old secret_passages/fakeblocks mods, but have trouble keeping up with all the nodes I'd like to register fakes of. is it possible to register a node that changes its texture on_place, to look the same as pointed_thing?
23:29 Exio4 i don't know :P
23:29 Exio4 but, my cpu is awesome, everyone was like: "bulldozer's performance is too shitty"
23:30 Exio4 i can actually have a lot of shits in background (skype, jackd, redshift, clementine, transmission, xclip, networkmanager, chromium with 15~ tabs, firefox with 150~ tabs) and could hande some VMs just fine
23:31 Pilcrow you've got a bulldozer, eh? I've got a crappy old hp laptop. which is still more than twice as powerful as my desktop in cpu power alone...
23:31 Exio4 6100
23:34 Pilcrow is that one of those that has cpu and gpu built into one chip, or is it just the A-series that does that...?
23:35 VanessaE 150 tabs in firefox?
23:35 VanessaE O_O
23:35 VanessaE tabs are not bookmarks!
23:36 Exio4 it is from the FX series
23:37 Exio4 Pilcrow: i would like an APU with four modules
23:37 Pilcrow lol, VanessaE. that's why I use opera. you can save sessions as if they were multi-page bookmarks. I've got around 20 saved sessions...  :)
23:38 Exio4 i have a hell lot of bookmarks
23:38 Exio4 but i end having 150-250
23:38 Exio4 tabs anyway
23:38 Pilcrow lol
23:39 VanessaE I don't usually have more than 10-15 tabs open on ff, myself
23:39 Exio4 the resource usage is minimal anyway
23:39 VanessaE well, tha'll bloat up to 40 or so when I am reading the forums, but only for 20-30 mins tops
23:40 Exio4 i've never got FFx to use more than 3gb of ram, and that was with ... 700 tabs iirc
23:40 Pilcrow I try not to get more than about 15 under normal circumstances. then again, since I can save my sessions manually, I have my browser intentionally set up to NOT remember tabs on start-up...  :)
23:41 Exio4 if amd made apus with three- and four- modules (six and eight cores), i would buy them
23:45 Pilcrow Exio4: I thought they had made a 6-core APU, but I just checked on newegg and it's nowhere to be found...  :/
23:45 VanessaE seven hundred tabs!?
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23:46 Exio4 yeah VanessaE, seven hundred
23:46 * VanessaE pokes jojoa1997
23:46 Exio4 Pilcrow: they should make those apus :P
23:46 VanessaE Exio4: what'd you do, try to open all of Wikipedia? :)
23:46 jojoa1997 jojoa1997, pokes VanessaE
23:47 jojoa1997 i am playing hide and seek in minecraft
23:47 Exio4 VanessaE: i normally just open tabs and left them open
23:47 Pilcrow shows how many new games I play. I've got a 2.3Ghz dual-core, radeon 4250, and 4Gb RAM. and this is the most powerful computer I've ever owned...
23:47 Exio4 this is my faster computer too
23:47 Pilcrow VanessaE: maybe tvtropes?  :P
23:48 VanessaE heh
23:48 VanessaE I could buy that.
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