Time Nick Message 00:32 PilzAdam bye 03:30 ShadowNinja sfan5: It would be more reasonable for the times to be in UTC. 03:44 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Fix paralax occlusion setting 96f753a108 2013-12-06T19:42:09-08:00 http://git.io/PdDK0Q 04:03 MinetestBot GIT: kaeza commited to minetest/minetest_game: Fix player skin changing code. ba4c80644e 2013-12-06T19:45:17-08:00 http://git.io/BqPCLA 04:24 fireglow hi 04:25 kaeza hi fireglow 04:26 fireglow hey :) 04:46 OldCoder howdy 04:48 fireglow just installed it, runs remarkably smooth on FreeBSD with a passive graphics card 04:55 anunakki OldCoder, 04:55 anunakki hello there 04:55 anunakki i have to speak with you 04:56 OldCoder I am here 05:37 thefamilygrog66 howdy 05:39 VanessaE hi 05:46 VanessaE sigh 05:47 VanessaE I wondered how long it was gonna be before that stupid wireless card finally gave up the ghost. 05:52 thefamilygrog66 the ghost of wireless past 05:52 VanessaE heh 05:53 thefamilygrog66 holy crap, I just got all puritanical on the forums 05:53 thefamilygrog66 haha 07:15 sfan5 hm 07:15 sfan5 I still wonder what happend last night 07:17 Exio4 that sounds bad 07:17 sfan5 things not working was probably my hdd failing 07:17 sfan5 but why did everything crash with sigbus? 07:18 sfan5 >You can get a SIGBUS from an unaligned access if you turn on the unaligned access trap, but normally that's off on an x86. 07:19 sfan5 I don't think /usr/bin/clear does that 07:23 sfan5 I think I should do a backup 07:24 sfan5 oh yay, pulseaudio is broken 07:27 Exio4 pulseaudio is always broken 07:27 Exio4 jackd > pulseaudio 07:29 sfan5 sound does not work 07:34 sfan5 oh nice, it doesn't find my soundcard anymore 07:35 VanessaE sfan5: damn, you got probs. 07:35 sfan5 I think I should do a backup right now 07:35 sfan5 I should get a new laptop, but I want a new android phone first :-/ 07:37 sfan5 *connects to networks smb share* 07:45 sfan5 stupid gvfs! 07:45 sfan5 the root user can't use the gvfs thingys of other users 07:51 VanessaE > needs new laptop, wants new phone. 07:51 VanessaE > solution: get a new tablet? :) 07:53 VanessaE ok maybe not. 07:54 sfan5 nah 07:56 sfan5 who the fuck programmed this gvfs shit 07:57 VanessaE the same idiot who programmed pulseaudio? :) 07:57 VanessaE I'm serious 07:58 VanessaE I swear, sometimes I think Linux is suffering from industrial sabotage or something 07:58 sfan5 I mean WTH root can't access everything or what? 07:59 VanessaE I know 07:59 sfan5 for gvfs root is like admin on windows 07:59 VanessaE it's always been that way with,.gvfs 07:59 VanessaE .gvfs* 07:59 VanessaE and I haven't the foggiest clue why 07:59 sfan5 this is my fucking system and I want root to access everything it wants 08:00 VanessaE and if you ls -la the file it's like all ?'s for the perms 08:00 VanessaE s/file/entry/ 08:00 VanessaE (I forget if it's a file or a dir or pipe or what) 08:00 sfan5 ls: cannot access /run/user/1000/gvfs: Permission denied 08:00 VanessaE ls -lad 08:01 sfan5 same 08:01 VanessaE at this point I'd probably chattr that fucker and delete it, then. :P 08:01 VanessaE but idk if that'll break anything 08:02 sfan5 I'll just setup nfs on my pi to make a backup 08:02 sfan5 wait, no 08:02 VanessaE dd. 08:02 VanessaE ghost it to another disk 08:02 VanessaE then pick it apart after a clean install 08:03 sfan5 sudo tar -cvf /dev/stdout . | cat > /run/usr/1000/gvfs//backup.tar.bz2 08:03 sfan5 that may actually work 08:03 VanessaE "I saw we take off and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure." 08:03 VanessaE say* 08:04 VanessaE maybe 08:04 kahrl why use gvfs intead of mount.cifs? 08:05 sfan5 yep it does 08:05 kahrl instead* 08:05 VanessaE kahrl: because gnome? 08:05 kahrl someone still uses gnome? 08:05 VanessaE why use pulseaudio on Linux when ALSA already does everything? 08:07 VanessaE kahrl: doesn't Linus? :) 08:07 sfan5 my backup is running, time for breakfast 08:07 us}0gb QEMU doesn't seem to have sound for me under Alsa. It also throws errors. 08:07 VanessaE sfan5: btw, why not rsync? 08:08 sfan5 VanessaE: I'd like to have it in one file 08:08 VanessaE fair enough 08:10 sfan5 saving it with 1MB/s is going to take a while 08:10 sfan5 maybe I shouldn't use WiFi for that.. 08:10 VanessaE better that than dial-up... 08:10 sfan5 but our router only has 1 LAN port... 08:11 VanessaE time to buy a switch 08:11 sfan5 I have a DIR-100 lying around 08:12 sfan5 screw this, I'll just backup directly to another HDD 08:12 VanessaE any idea what failed? 08:12 VanessaE (bad sectors? bad chips? dust?) 08:32 sfan5 dust? in a laptop? 08:33 sfan5 VanessaE: what do you mean by bad chips? 08:33 VanessaE you'd be surprised. 08:33 VanessaE burnt-out electronics 08:33 sfan5 it doesn't smell like magic smoke 08:33 VanessaE e.g. a controller chip on the drive or so 08:33 sfan5 when the backup is finished I'll take a look at the HDD 08:56 arsdragonfly1 just updated my advanced_market mod 08:56 arsdragonfly1 check it out folks 08:56 arsdragonfly1 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7253 08:57 Peacock i dont think too many people are awake yet :P 08:58 arsdragonfly1 but it's 16:58 here 08:59 arsdragonfly1 so it is the life in far east :-P 08:59 Peacock hehe, 4am east coast, 1am west coast and early morning in EU :P 08:59 Peacock so you must be somewhere in the pacific 08:59 Peacock or far east 09:16 VanessaE hi 09:17 Peacock no "hello unicorns", you some sort of racist? 09:17 Peacock :P 09:23 Peacock unicorns = horny ponies? 09:34 Peacock sweet, new version of space engineers out, maybe now i can use my mining ships lol 10:45 sfan5 wow, it is not backing up since 2 hours 10:46 sfan5 now* 10:52 manuel_ hi ich brauche hilfe wenn ich bei minetest einen block abbaue oder platziere laggt es 11:24 specing Guys 11:24 specing What do I do if someone stole my name? 11:24 specing on clip's public server 11:25 Jordach make a new name 11:25 VanessaE contact the admin 11:25 specing the imposter seems to have stole my stash, too 11:26 specing Any clip admins here? 11:26 VanessaE someone got your password then? 11:26 reactor specing: ask admins' help. 11:26 specing VanessaE: I had no password 11:26 reactor Pwned. 11:26 specing :S 11:26 specing I thought that password was for servers 11:26 reactor No passwords. Smells like human nature. 11:26 specing for joining passworded servers 11:26 VanessaE that's bad. 11:27 specing other games have public key auth, I assumed it was the same here 11:27 VanessaE always always always always always always always always always always always use a password 11:27 VanessaE minetest does not. 11:27 specing Nobody told me that :( 11:27 VanessaE how would it be pubkey auth if you had no opportunity to trade keys? 11:28 VanessaE derp :) 11:28 specing VanessaE: Quake 11:28 VanessaE never played it 11:28 VanessaE not online that is 11:28 specing Quake uses pubkey auth 11:29 VanessaE no matter. 11:29 specing most Linux games are quake-based, so I got used to that feature 11:29 VanessaE you'll have to contact the admin and have him assign you a new password and see if he can give you your stuff back 11:39 reactor But once again, pwned. 11:44 reactor Dangerous! In the butt! 11:44 Peacock in the butt? 11:45 * Peacock walks slowly out of the room 11:45 reactor That's a quote. 11:45 reactor It's fine not to appreciate quotes. 11:47 VanessaE all five of mine do. 11:48 sapier if there's nothin to protect on that server why use a password? 11:48 reactor Identity. 11:48 VanessaE be...cause maybe you want to .. 11:48 VanessaE yes 11:48 VanessaE precisely that. 11:49 reactor Identity is priceless. 11:49 reactor Once someone steals it, they can make you look like a complete asshole. 11:50 Peacock i found the opposite is true lol 11:50 Peacock well known people will take on other names to grief other people's servers 11:50 Peacock geoip was pretty helpful in figuring out who they were lol 11:50 sapier usually I'm more concerned about my passwords then about my identity if I join a minetest server ;-) 11:54 Peacock if i dont stop sneezing soon i'll become dehydrated :/ 11:57 Peacock https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7938329856/h2A023DEA/ 11:57 * Jordach attacks Peacock with a fuckload of feather pillows 11:59 VanessaE ah photoshop... where would we be without obvious copy&paste? :) 12:00 * VanessaE fades... 12:02 Peacock i suppose i should put up the bloody christmas tree today 12:02 reactor Don't kill trees for that. 12:02 Peacock you kidding, i have a fake one and even then the cat still nibbles at it 12:02 Peacock a real tree wouldn't last a week 12:03 VanessaE who wants a christmas tree covered in blood? ew. 12:03 Peacock the fun part is figuring out which plugs are on which breakers here 12:07 VanessaE "the second thing at christmas that's such a pain to me: rigging up the lights [...]" "what? we have no more extension cords!?" "Get a flashlight, we blew a fuse!" "one light goes out, they all go out!" "Now why the hell are they blinking!?" "fine, you're so smart, YOU rig up the lights!" 12:08 * Jordach doesn't have that issue 12:08 reactor hristmass illumination is a waste of energy. 12:08 * Jordach is getting USB lights to drop around the monitor 12:08 reactor s/hr/Chr/ 12:09 * Jordach made a forum post with a .svg image embedded 12:09 VanessaE most of the "2nd day of" quotes from "12 Pains of Christmas", no clue who actually did the song (usually attributed to Bob Rivers) 12:09 reactor Why not spend those money on new hardware? 12:10 VanessaE ok, I'm off to bed 12:10 VanessaE brain crash 12:10 VanessaE night 12:10 Jordach I/O error reading /dev/brain: device not ready 12:10 Jordach Segmentation fault (core dumped) 12:11 reactor Nighty. 12:13 Peacock well there's no shortage of energy here for christmas lights lol and it's certainly not expensive enough that i could buy hardware with the difference 12:13 reactor Candles are a fire hazard. 12:16 Jordach $5 that freeminer dies out 12:16 Jordach we've already established the MESE standard 12:17 Peacock lol why do people have such a hardon for minetest forks? its not like anyone bitches when mods get the same treatment 12:19 Peacock mods don't have communities but they have users, and every time it's forked thats part of your feedback and bugtesting that goes too 12:20 Peacock but either way, the principals behind both are the same, it's open source, so tough shit if you dont like the forks lol 12:21 Peacock and if you're worried about the community splitting up then perhaps you should take it as a hint that a sizeable portion of the community wasn't being serviced by the current engine with its design and direction 12:22 Peacock either way I see no benefit to forcing devs to work together on one and only one engine if they spend more time arguing about their code than writing it 12:22 Peacock people go all the time, surely you must have noticed 12:23 Peacock whether they go to work on a fork or just go, whats the difference? 12:23 Peacock the really good devs have the same rights as the noobs 12:24 Peacock and frankly, it's more your problem than theirs 12:26 Peacock either way, im pretty sure proller would have just given up on minetest at some point if things had kept going the way they were, at least this way freeminer can try different shit and if it works itt'l be ported to MT 12:27 Peacock usually when you have a problem you try to solve it, you can either become a dev for MT to make up the difference, or bitch about freeminer as you seem to have chosen to do, though i dont know what benefit that brings 12:28 Peacock if anything it makes you/this community just seem bitter about it 12:32 Jordach http://xkcd.com/838/ 12:33 reactor Lol. 12:36 thardin :D 12:42 cisoun wth someone ported minetest to android Oo 12:42 cisoun oh that's xyz 12:42 cisoun damn 12:53 Peacock well you did when it came out, and every time i've logged in here in the last week there's always someone saying something negative about it, which might explain why i've spent more time playing Space Engineers this week 12:54 specing Ingame mod lister doesen't work? 12:54 specing Says page 1/0 12:54 specing Ah now it does 12:56 specing Oh, now it even supplies pics 12:58 specing I see a lot of mods listed in the server lister are missing in the ingame mod selector 12:58 specing What is up? 13:05 iqualfragile specing: there was an update, now thumbnails are used 13:05 iqualfragile instead of sending a hd picture and then rescaling it to 120x80 13:06 iqualfragile the mods listed on the website but not ingame do not have any approved versions, so it would be useless to display those 13:06 iqualfragile Peacock: freeminer is a waste of time 13:06 Peacock see that bitterness i was talking about ... 13:08 iqualfragile what bitternes? 13:09 iqualfragile just merging all the pullrequests is a bad idea 13:09 iqualfragile and just forking the project over minor differences is a waste of time 13:10 Peacock well im sorry your precious engine got forked :P but i'd suggest you do what modders and distros have done and just deal with it :-) 13:12 iqualfragile Peacock: it is not my enigne and obviously you are allowed to fork it, but i just do not see the reason 13:13 Peacock well thats the wonderful thing about open source, you don't have to give a reason. Think i understand why there are dozens of ubuntu flavours when you can just install those packages from minimal ubuntu? hell no lol 13:19 Peacock well i dont really get how someone can be pro-opensource but anti-forks, isn't that basically software dictatorship? kinda like vendor lock-in 13:20 Peacock that's an oversimplification and an inaccurate one at that 13:21 Peacock there are really no rules about forking, you should read the licenses you people make modders user lol 13:21 iqualfragile Peacock: there is something wrong with forks: they waste effort 13:21 iqualfragile so there needs to be a reason to fork 13:22 iqualfragile otherwise its just a ego-thing 13:22 Peacock where does it say there needs to be a reason to fork? 13:22 jin_xi you really think they forked for no reason? 13:22 iqualfragile Peacock: in your head, if you are captable of using logic 13:22 Peacock and how is it not a waste of effort to instead spend all your time arguing with the current dev team when you can manage your own project instead? 13:23 iqualfragile Peacock: is there some kind of wiki page or anything listing the reasons for this fork? 13:24 Peacock im not the one with logic problems :P you people are more pro-open source than I am and even i can't get why you're against one of its most basic concepts (forking) 13:24 iqualfragile and we have given that argument like 5 times allready 13:24 Peacock well they are not your resources to waste, it's the person doing the forking and they're entitled to decide where they put their resources 13:25 iqualfragile so: is there a good reason to fork? can you provide me with good arguments? 13:25 iqualfragile Peacock: no, you are actually wasting my recources 13:25 Peacock i dont have to, and neither does proller 13:25 Peacock send me the bill ;) 13:25 iqualfragile and you are wasting the recources of every modder 13:26 iqualfragile because they are required to upload their mod three times 13:26 Peacock you base on the premise that without a fork proller would be happy to keep waiting for months for a yes/no on his pulls, i think he would have quit pretty soon 13:26 Peacock and to be honest, he was told to fork or go work on MT classic by more than one member, so it should come as no surprise that that is what happened 13:26 iqualfragile but you have a point: prollers pull-requests were really dealayed a lot 13:27 iqualfragile that was because minetest devolopement was slowed don a lot 13:27 Peacock you're saying you can't reproduce what Minetest Classic offers in Minetest? 13:27 iqualfragile why didnt he just requested to get write access to minetest? 13:27 Peacock they removed mods, which you can do with Minetest proper 13:28 Exio4 iqualfragile: the general "dev" was slowed down because proller merging features (some unwanted or WIP) with bug fixes in the same pull requests or commits 13:28 Exio4 and also because hmm/kahrl being busy 13:28 Exio4 isn't MT classic 0.3? 13:29 Exio4 when mods wasn't even a 'real thing' 13:29 Exio4 and just like the modstore was for 0.4.4 13:29 iqualfragile Exio4: wasnt this later on? 13:30 iqualfragile didnt he have seperate pullrequests at first 13:30 Peacock so with proller out of the way MT dev can advance with fewer arguments, proller is happy working on his own thing, i dont see how any of this is bad 13:30 iqualfragile and then merged them into one gigantic one? 13:30 Exio4 he had like four or five "big pull requests" 13:30 iqualfragile Peacock: simple: some of the pullrequests were interesting 13:31 iqualfragile and would have been great in minetest 13:31 Peacock well then maybe you should have pulled them in a timely manner 13:31 Peacock (you plural) 13:31 Exio4 when devs told him to split the 'lagfix' he went mad and merged all the pull requests 13:31 Peacock can hardly be angry at him for not wanting to stand still 13:31 Exio4 because it was next to WIP code 13:33 Exio4 Peacock: it isn't bad tho 13:33 Exio4 it will let proller dev his fork and continue it 13:33 Peacock and so proller is doing it himself as you say 13:33 iqualfragile Peacock: oh, wow, i just looked at some of the pull requests 13:33 iqualfragile the devs had every reason not to merge them 13:34 Peacock so you agree with the dev team but would still rather keep proller a prisoner here? lol 13:34 reactor lagfix? 13:35 iqualfragile Peacock: no, best solution would have been that proller just fixes his pull requests 13:35 Exio4 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/895 13:35 Peacock you're right that egos are in play here, which is probably why proller gave up fighting with the dev team and went his own way 13:36 iqualfragile Peacock: there was no fucking reason to fight 13:36 iqualfragile he could just have fixed his fucking pull requests 13:36 Exio4 he is free to do it 13:36 iqualfragile they were ugly 13:36 iqualfragile this whole thing is just a gigantic waset of effort 13:36 hmmmm proller going his "own way" has nothing to do with egos 13:37 Peacock well you can either be butthurt about it or go on your merry way and work on MT, if freeminer comes up with anything good ittl surely be ported, license is still lgpl if i recall 13:37 hmmmm it was simply that he was going his own way the whole while. 95% of his pull requests were to make minetest a better 'game' but not a better engine 13:37 Exio4 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1010 13:37 Exio4 lolwut 13:38 Exio4 thought they were like 15 commits with proper names 13:38 iqualfragile Exio4: no, that one gives the wrong impression 13:38 iqualfragile he just raged at one point in time 13:38 iqualfragile and closed all his pullrequests 13:38 iqualfragile and then added that monster 13:38 iqualfragile ignoe the big one 13:38 Peacock hmmmm but all the people here would rather you guys keep arguing with proller indefinitely 13:38 iqualfragile look at the smaller ones 13:38 Exio4 i'm just saying proller went against what is the idea of minetest 13:38 iqualfragile they are realy low quality 13:39 Exio4 iqualfragile: 4-5 commits with two features 13:39 hmmmm so what do we do, make the engine inflexible and crappier so that we all get along? 13:39 iqualfragile Exio4: yes, i know 13:39 hmmmm was the linux kernel written that way? 13:39 iqualfragile some of those pull requests do not even make too much sense 13:39 iqualfragile https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/980 13:40 Peacock well i think him having his own fork to work on is the best thing for everyone, but im obviously in the minority on that lol 13:40 Exio4 i 13:40 Exio4 i'm good with it too 13:40 iqualfragile some others did make sense and were merged like 979 and 983 13:40 Exio4 it means less unwanted features like weather (in its own state) 13:41 Exio4 ehm, i would like 980 13:41 Exio4 because well, null can be used for testing, but he had two features in that pull request 13:42 Exio4 It aims to make the game fun while trading off some bits of perfectionism. 13:42 Exio4 there 13:42 Peacock i dont personally like proller's features, but i don't need to like them to defend his right to fork and take it in whatever direction he thinks is right 13:42 Exio4 in freeminer's readme 13:42 hmmmm right, but just because somebody makes some feature doesn't mean we're obligated to merge it 13:43 hmmmm besides we needed some 'experimental' version like his fork that has all the features that were controverisal 13:43 Exio4 there isn't 13:43 Exio4 he sees minetest as a game, not an engine 13:43 Exio4 and not _game being somewhat "just another game" 13:44 hmmmm someone was talking about taking out all the weather stuff 13:44 Exio4 inb4 minetest is a game, deal with it 13:44 Exio4 some people was saying that 13:44 Exio4 like, c55 :P 13:44 hmmmm I can't say I disagree, if it could be reimplemented as a mod 13:44 Peacock i get the impression people think more would get done if he stuck around, i just think more arguments would be had lol 13:45 Exio4 some things won't ever get merged in minetest/master 13:46 Exio4 some others could, and others should be 13:46 hmmmm I think the directional volumetric fog thing would've made it in if it didn't abruptly cut off at a low visual horizon 13:47 Exio4 but he mixed most of the features and made performance improvements depend on other changes in a commit that changes weather or features that never will get merged and so 13:47 Peacock there obviously is a reason if it exists 13:47 hmmmm those performance improvements didn't really improve performance 13:47 hmmmm they just throttled throughput on things like ABM and so on 13:47 Exio4 yeah 13:48 Peacock proller and xyz had their reasons for forking, they may not make sense to you personally, but that doesn't invalidate them 13:48 Exio4 but there was one that made some comments get priorited over other iirc 13:48 Exio4 he had it mixed with other features 13:52 Peacock dunno, you can like or dislike a fork if you want, what i dont get is attacking someone for the very act of forking 13:54 Peacock though when people say they hope or expect freeminer to crash and burn, i sense alot of bitterness/hostility in that, so don't tell me it's about prollers' ego :P 13:55 Peacock i dont know how it could be more effective, it seems counterproductive from the get-go to have some devs working on an engine and other devs working on a game, from the sae source 13:55 Peacock *same 13:56 Peacock closed-minded isn't the same thing as simply not agreeing with you 13:57 hmmmm this is a recurring pattern 13:57 reactor Psychology? 13:57 Peacock circular debates? 13:57 hmmmm there's something wrong with somebody's pull requests 13:57 hmmmm they don't get merged 13:57 hmmmm they get frustrated and quit 13:57 hmmmm then people talk about how the core devs are useless and minetest never gets anywhere 13:58 hmmmm prestidigitator, colored lighting, MirkeaKitsune, now proller 13:58 hmmmm and I'm sure there are more from before I started coming around here 13:58 Peacock well in every case they're told to fork, and now that it's done people still bitch about it 13:59 Peacock i think more gets done when time isn't constantly wasted arguing over said pulls 14:02 iqualfragile hmmmm: i think that there is a reason for this to happen 14:02 iqualfragile while the pull requests really were low quality 14:03 iqualfragile there often were no comments on them 14:03 iqualfragile i have mentioned this some times allready 14:03 EvergreenTree o/ 14:03 iqualfragile but: i think it would be best if the minetest-devs would meet every week for example saturdays and either merge or comment on or close 5 pull requests 14:04 iqualfragile hi EvergreenTree 14:04 Peacock well perhaps freeminer will perfect weather to such a point where it will in future be something you wanna port to MT, at least this way they get to try 14:04 reactor EvergreenTree: \o 14:06 sfan5 EvergreenTree: did you know you're a tree? 14:07 Exio4 wow 14:07 Exio4 he is a tree? 14:07 Exio4 and those trees outside are stalking me too... 14:07 iqualfragile yes, he is the first minetest-playing tree 14:07 EvergreenTree Gosh, I never thought I was a tree 14:07 Exio4 EvergreenTree: what are you doing here! D: 14:07 EvergreenTree [\sarcasm] 14:07 * Peacock tries hard to avoid jokes about having wood 14:07 * EvergreenTree barks at Peacock 14:07 Peacock touche 14:08 * iqualfragile punches EvergreenTree and crafst a pickaxe out of him 14:08 * iqualfragile collects the leaves to use as fuel later on 14:08 EvergreenTree Remember that second tree sfan5 planted on me? 14:08 Peacock wouldn't you have to put a stick up his arse to get a pickaxe? 14:08 EvergreenTree You knocked that one down 14:09 EvergreenTree I was beneath it. >:) 14:09 * sfan5 plants a tree on EvergreenTree and puts a kitten on Exio4's head 14:09 EvergreenTree Peacock, plol 14:09 * iqualfragile realy is in the need of more wood for his new house and goes on a cutting spree 14:09 * EvergreenTree runs 14:09 Exio4 mkdir build && cd build 14:10 Exio4 > build already exists 14:10 Exio4 freeminer pls 14:10 Peacock pls = please? 14:10 Exio4 yeah 14:10 sfan5 !tell proller you merged tavb_playerlist 14:10 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when proller is around 14:10 Exio4 also https://www.google.com/search?q=gooby+pls 14:10 sfan5 no, no 14:10 sfan5 no 14:10 Exio4 why not sfan5? 8) 14:11 sfan5 *sshs to vps and deletes entry from tell.sqlite* 14:12 Exio4 :( 14:12 Exio4 the menu is broken 14:13 Peacock no flapjacks for you 14:13 Exio4 the weather is weird in FM 14:13 kaurdump i just tried adding simple helicopter mod and it's failing https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6183 any ideas? http://pastebin.com/N8Wmqw3J 14:13 sfan5 MinetestBot: reload tell 14:13 MinetestBot sfan5: (version: 2013-11-17 18:44:21) 14:14 Peacock kaur you forgot to rename the mod 14:14 Peacock (folder) 14:14 kaurdump i renamed it to heli 14:14 kaurdump it said [heli] in the post title 14:14 Peacock ...estaccount/minetest/bin/../builtin/misc_register.lua:62: in function 'check_modname_prefix' 14:14 sfan5 !tell proller you merged tab_playerlist2 into freeminer, I didn't finish that feature yet; it segfaults when opening the playerlist (when set_playerlist was used on that player) 14:14 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when proller is around 14:15 kaurdump what is it supposed to be named? 14:15 Peacock : Name helicopter:heli does not follow naming conventions: "modname:" or ":" prefix required 14:15 sfan5 name it 'helicopter' 14:15 Peacock i think it's supposed to be helicopter 14:15 kaurdump i'l try helicopter 14:15 kaurdump isn't posting convention [modname] 14:15 kaurdump ? 14:16 sfan5 yes 14:16 kaurdump k 14:16 sfan5 I changed it in the topic title 14:16 kaurdump ty 14:17 reactor Are there more vehicles coming? 14:17 kaurdump works now, thanks everyone 14:17 Peacock everyone says welcome 14:18 kaurdump next question, what's the best way to upgrade to the latest test version? i'm not sure how i have minetest installed but it's in my user directory and i have a .minetest folder (linux install) 14:21 Megaf !seen Gronx 14:21 MinetestBot Megaf: gronx was last seen at 2013-11-12 22:20:28 UTC on #minetest 14:23 kaurdump the last time i setup a new version of minetest i had to compile it b/c it didn't support 13.10 out of the box. do i still need to do that? 14:23 Exio4 >snowing 14:23 Exio4 >desert 14:23 Exio4 ok 14:24 kaurdump crazy weather 14:24 Exio4 and snowing though nodes 14:25 Peacock seems legit 14:27 Exio4 it finally stopped 14:28 Peacock well i'll be off, must fetch... provisions at the off-license (sure as shit not putting up this tree sober) :P 14:32 reactor snowing through nodes? 14:33 reactor Is snow massless particles? 14:35 reactor It's obviously not. How can it be going through nodes? 14:35 reactor ...assuming nodes is fermionic matter, too. 15:17 Peacock well, they only had red ale, looks like we're having a communist party 15:19 Peacock https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7937345792/h7C7810B5/ 15:28 * EvergreenTree plants a sapling on sfan5's head 15:29 * EvergreenTree throws an apple at reactor for no reason 15:29 Peacock that means you can root his brain w/o sudo 15:29 * sfan5 takes the sapling transforms it into a kitten and puts the kitten next to EvergreenTree 15:29 EvergreenTree kitten tree? 0_o 15:29 EvergreenTree The best of both I guess 15:30 sfan5 you mean like a 猫木? 15:39 Peacock General Tao Chicken? 15:42 Peacock Ooo net split, with or without sprinkles? 16:30 reactor https://d19nsh368mnho.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/NewImage8.png 16:32 kaeza afternoons 16:32 Peacock here, have a few evenings too 16:36 jin_xi and my axe 16:48 kaeza jin_xi, I use rexona, but thanks anyway :P 17:07 Peacock you guys hear about the Sheep market heist? 17:09 Peacock along with china banning bitcoins for financial transactions, they seemed to have dropped in value to aroud 700$US/coin 17:32 kaeza [10:18:48] minetest has a community. When there is a fork there is a split. mods don't have a community. If mods split nobody cares. <-- feel free to fork homedecor, technic, or mesecons 17:33 * sfan5 is pissed 17:34 sfan5 reactor: technically it should be 7 bottles of milk 17:35 reactor oh yes. 17:36 kaeza actually, nobody would care about that either 17:38 Exio4 there are a lot of 'forks' or new mods based on other old mods 17:39 Peacock hell sometimes even new mods get fucked 17:39 Peacock *forked 17:40 Peacock i wish they'd have chosen a different word for that lol 17:40 rubenwardy Hi all 17:40 Peacock rubensandwich@ 17:40 kaurdump i heard about that bitcoin stuff 17:40 Peacock *! 17:40 kaurdump maybe i'll finally buy one 17:40 Exio4 the difference is that a mod isn't 3 years of work and a hell lot of C++ code 17:41 rubenwardy Peacock, I actually added that to my highlight list :P 17:41 kaurdump not hte sheep thing 17:41 kaurdump but the china saying banks shouldn't touch it 17:41 rubenwardy Are you talking about freeminer? 17:41 sfan5 i heard about that bitcoin stuff 17:41 Exio4 we're talking about dominating the world 17:41 rubenwardy oh ok 17:41 kaurdump peacock was asking 17:42 rubenwardy You are a bit late if you want to do it before the Chinese, Exio4. 17:42 rubenwardy :P 17:42 Exio4 we're already on it 17:42 Peacock exio the language seems irrelevant, some mods require more work than others, and alot of mod forks are mostly minor tweaks :P 17:43 rubenwardy I think it is good they forked Minetest 17:43 Exio4 Peacock: you can't compare a 100k lines of code program versus a mod 17:43 Peacock as for BTCs, i read somewhere that they were very big in China, though the recent anouncement by the gov't there cut their value by a quarter 17:43 kaurdump someone sent me a coinbase referral earlier this year and i bought like .0004 bitcoin to get the free $5 in bitcoin :P 17:43 kaurdump i'm pretty sure china's exchanges have the most volume 17:43 Peacock exio well wether something is 1K lines of code or 100K, the right to fork is the same, so i still dont get people being butthurt over freeminer lol 17:44 kaurdump it was more of a speculative investment for chinese ppl. like gold 2.0 17:44 Exio4 i actually like the idea of freeminer 17:44 kaurdump but i think it's the bitcoin protocol itself that's special 17:44 rubenwardy time to make the UI for NBE! 17:44 Exio4 but it got a lot of code that isn't that well optimized :P 17:45 rubenwardy Yeah, they put a lot of individual pull requests in, and have not smoothed the edges yet 17:45 Peacock well i dont personally like prollers' stuff, but i don't see anything wrong with him forking and doing it anyway, it's been suggested here enough times when other features were rejected 17:45 rubenwardy You dont like weather and water? 17:45 rubenwardy And math map generation? 17:46 Peacock me? no 17:46 rubenwardy "Project Drill": http://ubuntuone.com/72LtAf6EtfCMBK4dDqsoFg 17:46 rubenwardy (screenshot) 17:46 Peacock but still, i wouldn't stop him from doing it anyways in his own project 17:52 Peacock if particlespawners were better, i wouldn't object to weather mods 17:53 rubenwardy Do particle spawners use irrlicht particles, or sprites 17:53 Peacock even making a simple fountain with particle spawners is a pain in the ass 17:53 rubenwardy (Sapier^) 17:53 Peacock jeija rigged those up :P and i think they're entities/sprites 17:53 rubenwardy (or was it jeija?) 17:53 rubenwardy oh 17:54 rubenwardy They should be irrlicht particles! 17:54 rubenwardy :P 17:54 Peacock the fact they can be physical/not makes me think they're based on entities or written the same way as entities 17:55 sapier rubenwardy? 17:55 rubenwardy aheinecke, so they serialized across multiplayer? (ie: multiple people on the same server see them in the same place) 17:55 rubenwardy woops 17:55 rubenwardy *ahh 17:55 Peacock though for weather you'd need entities that remove themselves on collision 17:56 rubenwardy Ideally for performance, particles should be irrlicht particle systems or SPARK particles systems, and individual particles should not be serialized. 17:56 rubenwardy SPARK particles have collision 17:57 rubenwardy Sorry, sapier, I was thinking of jeija. 17:57 Peacock im not terribly familiar with the inner workings of the engine :P too many files and i'm too visual to keep track of them all :P 17:57 sapier no problem :-) 17:57 rubenwardy Neither am I, but I know irrlicht. 17:57 rubenwardy :P 17:58 Peacock im personally trying to figure out how they dev'd Space Engineers 17:58 Peacock i know it requires i have .NET 4 something installed, apart from that..??? lol 17:59 Peacock that games' got 6d gravity, moving nodes/groups of nodes 18:01 rubenwardy What do you mean by "nodes"? 18:01 Peacock well you build your ships/stations out of nodes like you would in any voxel game, though each ship/station (group of nodes) have velocities and orientations 18:02 rubenwardy ah 18:02 rubenwardy So game play nodes, rather than scene nodes / objects 18:02 rubenwardy Interesing 18:02 rubenwardy *adds to wish list* 18:03 Peacock not sure how its' done honestly 18:03 Peacock that game wasn't dev'd on linux for irrlicht 18:07 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 18:07 Calinou hi PilzAdam 18:08 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/96f753a108600619f94015bf889a73d97e44ce3a 18:08 PilzAdam lol 18:10 hmmmm i pointed that error out long before it was merged and i got ignored 18:11 specing hmmmm: next time bring your nyan cat with you 18:18 Peacock every man should get a semicolon exam :/ 18:29 Jordach Calinou: found a setting in droid to enable 4x msaa 18:30 Jordach developer mode is where its at! 18:33 Calinou heh 18:33 Calinou it's slow enough already 18:33 Calinou I'm surprised there is even MSAA 18:34 troller sfan5, we already revert tab_playerlist2 and merge tab_playerlist 18:34 sfan5 troller: ah good 18:34 sfan5 you should probably merge the latest changes I did to tab_playerlist 18:35 troller and it does not work when unlimited distance disabled 18:35 sfan5 (vertical centering, using console_{color,alpha} for coloring) 18:35 troller ok 18:35 sfan5 that makes it more black 18:35 sfan5 (and more readable( 18:35 sfan5 s/(\(.+)\(/\1)/ 18:36 rubenwardy uh, not regex! 18:36 troller hm.. now - working... but sometimes show only self 18:38 Exio4 [15:35:57] s/(\(.+)\(/\1)/ 18:38 Exio4 [15:35:57] sfan5: (and more readable) 18:38 Exio4 awesum 18:39 PilzAdam troller, thats because the client currently gets the name only when the player object is send 18:39 PilzAdam which is kinda hacky... 18:39 sfan5 Exio4: do you expect me to make non-functioning regexes? 18:40 Exio4 no, but that the parser actually worked with a more than s/a/b regex 18:45 sfan5 m bgrtttgbbbb t6zz6tgb gtgn fn ,o98 18:46 sfan5 oops 18:46 Exio4 eujdfwjn sfan5 sdfsdfu7sdifjshdfy 18:46 sfan5 s/.+// 18:46 Exio4 s/./&&&/ 18:54 hmmmm hey guys, I need some feedback from other people on this 18:54 hmmmm how would you like custom humidity and temperature parameters to be handled? 18:55 hmmmm if it's exposed through the config file only and not saved along with the map, changing it would cause the biomes to be inconsistent 18:56 PilzAdam I like how its done currently 18:56 hmmmm this isn't as bad as the actual terrain becoming inconsistent of course, but i'd still think it's undesirable 18:56 hmmmm what.. hardcoded? 18:56 Peacock strippers, that would rock 18:56 hmmmm I don't like how it's done currently 18:56 PilzAdam isnt it saved in map_meta.txt? 18:56 hmmmm no, only mapgen parameters are saved in map_meta.txt 18:56 hmmmm biome heat and humidity are only hardcoded at the moment and I need to change that 18:57 troller hmmmm, for first - make adjustable heat& humidity from config 18:57 troller noise params ^ 18:57 hmmmm ....that's what we're talking about 18:57 troller make it like other noise params 18:58 troller ups 18:58 Peacock fedex 18:58 troller почта россии 18:58 troller hmmmm, saved to map meta 18:59 hmmmm what about everybody else? 18:59 OldCoder Hi 18:59 hmmmm do you think biome parameters should be saved to map meta, or only read from config? 19:01 PilzAdam hmmmm, what would be the benefit of not saving it in meta? 19:01 nore hmmmm, I reckon they should be saved with the map 19:01 hmmmm PilzAdam: it makes things easier for me 19:02 Peacock was told meta is slow 19:02 Peacock for weather shit might not be good 19:02 PilzAdam Peacock, not node meta, map_meta.txt 19:02 hmmmm alright fine, I'll add it to the base MapgenParams I suppose 19:02 Peacock oh lol makes more sense 19:03 Peacock mgparams would make sense, along with a 'weather' flag to disable it completely 19:04 hmmmm this has nothing to do with the weather nonsense 19:04 hmmmm that's what I hate D: 19:04 Peacock then whats the humidity thing for? 19:04 hmmmm so at this point, for mapgen v6 at least, there are three separate humidities 19:04 hmmmm one for jungles, one for biomes which go unused, and then another one for proller's weather 19:05 hmmmm this has clearly gotten past a point where we need it to stop 19:05 hmmmm stop adding humidity crap without first consulting me 19:05 PilzAdam (you should say that in -dev) 19:05 PilzAdam (and write it in the dev wiki) 19:05 Exio4 ha 19:05 Peacock well im in the clear lol i always thought hardcoded weather was a mistake :P 19:06 hmmmm I can't combine any of them either without screwing things up 19:06 Exio4 also, about proller's weather in FM 19:06 Exio4 it was raining... sadly i was on a desert 19:06 Exio4 er, snowing 19:07 Peacock yes it is snowing right now, though i just saw six firetrucks pass so i guess someone beat the odds :/ 19:07 Exio4 lol? 19:07 hmmmm real life weather blows too right now, at least where I'm at :/ 19:08 troller Exio4, raining in desert will be fixed soon 19:09 Peacock i hear its intense in the US, icestorms in Texas :/ been pretty mild in Quebec by comparison 19:11 Peacock its weird how winters are getting mellower in Canada and more intense in the US, and they call it global warming lol 19:12 EvergreenTree There was supposed to be 3~4 in. of snow where I live (midwest USA) but it hasn't come yer 19:12 EvergreenTree *yet 19:13 Peacock in the last few years the worst weather weve gotten is in february, usually it was from dec-march 19:13 Peacock like, -30c with high winds 19:13 EvergreenTree bleh 19:14 Peacock by the time you make it indoors your balls are gone 19:16 Peacock though that would explain why it's taken me till today to put up the tree lol 19:17 EvergreenTree I haven't put up the tree yet, but I will today 19:18 sapier nothing compared to -32768° constant in minetest ;-) 19:18 EvergreenTree It's a fake tree, had it for years 19:18 Peacock i got one of those 7' slim trees (Fake) 19:18 EvergreenTree Ohwait, I could just use myself 19:18 EvergreenTree *facepalm* 19:19 EvergreenTree It is kind of boring being a christmas tree tho 19:19 Peacock though the biggest pain is the first few hours with the cat constantly climbing it lol once the lights are in im good lol 19:36 Pilcrow bit quiet right now, eh? 19:36 Megaf I FUCKING HATE WHEN I WRITE A MESSAGE ON MINETEST AND IT JUST FUCKING SEGS FAULT 19:37 Megaf specially when Im having a conversation about fixing what griefers done 19:37 Pilcrow never had that happen. you mean like a chat message? 19:37 Megaf yep 19:37 Megaf Pilcrow, are you using a recent version? 19:37 Megaf that never happened to me either, till two weeks ago 19:38 Pilcrow I'm on 0.4.8 stable for now... 19:38 Megaf Peacock, where do you live? 19:38 ShadowNinja Megaf: Run a debug version in a debuger and paste the backtrace. 19:39 Peacock Canuckistan 19:39 Peacock land of bountiful ale and poutine 19:40 Peacock (though mostly ale) 19:41 Exio4 Megaf: without backtrace, you are just bothering yourself 19:42 Megaf Im just bothering myself playing minetest 19:42 Megaf it segfaulted again 19:42 Megaf $ rm -rf minetest-minetest-000da6b/ 19:42 Megaf done 19:42 Megaf this fixed 19:43 Megaf ShadowNinja, so, you mean compile it for debug instead of release? 19:44 Megaf -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug 19:44 ShadowNinja Megaf: Yes. That adds debuging symbols so that you get line numbers and the like. 19:44 Megaf like so 19:44 ShadowNinja Yep. 19:44 Pilcrow182 hmm, been having some weird 'net issues lately. my connection stuttered, and now IRC thinks I'm still online so it won't let me use my normal name... 19:45 Megaf compiling 19:45 Pilcrow182 I'm the same 'Pilcrow' who was just talking to you folks... 19:45 Megaf Pilcrow182, /nickserv release yournick yourpassword 19:45 Megaf or 19:45 Megaf /nickserv ghost nick paswword 19:46 Megaf assuming your nick is registrated 19:47 Megaf * Pilcrow has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19:47 Megaf anyway, your nick is free again 19:47 Megaf ShadowNinja, ok, crashed again, what do I do now? 19:48 Exio4 did you run it under gdb? 19:49 Exio4 if yes, thread apply all bt full 19:49 Exio4 and paste the output 19:50 Pilcrow Thanks for the tip anyway, Megaf. this is the first channel I've ever frequented, so I know nothing of irc (commands and such) 19:50 Peacock cat's high up in the tree, cleaning the bristles :/ 20:05 Megaf Peacock, you can register you nick, so nobody else use it 20:05 Megaf ops 20:05 Megaf Pilcrow, 20:05 Megaf sorry Peacock 20:05 hmmmm erm 20:06 hmmmm A lot of people doing mods pick a random number for the value of something 20:06 hmmmm and that's it 20:06 hmmmm normally you'd want some value to be the most common, and then maybe then it gets rarer as the value gets higher 20:06 hmmmm so you know how you just do local number_of_foos = pr:next(min, max)? 20:06 hmmmm stop that 20:07 hmmmm do this instead 20:08 hmmmm local number_of_foos = 0; for i = 0, N do number_of_foos += pr:next(min, max) end; number_of_foos = number_of_foos / N 20:08 hmmmm where N is some number at least 5 or 6 20:08 Pilcrow my linux has been acting strange lately... 20:08 hmmmm the higher N is, the more the distribution looks like a typical bell shaped curve 20:13 Peacock foos are good, but bars are better 20:14 Pilcrow my journald is producing 'argument list too long' errors and freezing all file transactions... 20:15 Peacock sounds legit 20:15 Pilcrow that has nothing to do with minetest, of course, but it's annoying as heck since a hard reboot is the only way to get around it... 20:16 PilzAdam hmmmm, are you refering to any particular mod/game? 20:17 Pilcrow nah, it's an error with my linux os (Chakra, if anyone cares)... 20:17 Pilcrow oh you're talking to hmmmm, not just saying 'hmmmm'... by bad, lol 20:17 Pilcrow *my 20:18 hmmmm not in particular 20:18 Peacock pulseaudio: i think it was a general comment about most mods :P 20:18 Exio4 jackd > pulseaudio 20:19 PilzAdam woot! 20:19 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/userlist.php?username=&show_group=-1&sort_by=num_posts&sort_dir=DESC&search=Search 20:19 PilzAdam <- #1 20:19 Peacock imagine enabling/disabling jackd, "jackd on", "jackd off" :/ 20:20 Exio4 i don't disable jackd 20:20 Exio4 i use it all the time 20:20 Exio4 it is too awesome to disable 20:20 Peacock so you never jackd off? 20:21 Peacock lol 20:21 Exio4 kik 20:21 Exio4 lol 20:21 Pilcrow pulseaudio is a pain, but wonderful when it works. I never used jackd though. 20:21 Peacock allright i'll shut up now i have to put the lights in the tree anyways lol 20:23 kaeza jojoa is #4 :| 20:23 PilzAdam where is my cake? 20:24 Pilcrow the cake is a lie. but congrats, lol. I wonder if you'd still be at the top if you could sort by number of TOPICS rather than posts... :P 20:33 Mati^1 hi 20:37 magikfingerz Hi everybody! I have minetest 0.4.8 installed and can't see a buttor for "Local install" in the mods section... in another PC with version 0.4.7 I can see it... Somebody knows why? 20:38 FreeFull magikfingerz: I think it installs local by default 20:39 magikfingerz FreeFull, Well that button allows me to select a mod file saved locally instead of use the repository... 20:40 sapier local install button was disabled because of win32 localization fixes broke localization for file select dialog 20:40 magikfingerz FreeFull, I use that button because my sometimes I haven't internet connection... so I can copy the mod zip file to my PC and install it using that button... 20:40 sapier we had to deside either delay 0.4.8 or remove the button till a proper fix is in place 20:41 Megaf VanessaE, are you there? I'd like some help wit world edit 20:41 PilzAdam magikfingerz, quote from source: "Disabled due to upcoming release 0.4.8 and irrlicht messing up localization" 20:41 Megaf with* 20:42 magikfingerz PilzAdam, sapier OK, I understand... thanks a lot! I simply will install 0.4.7 until that button was enabled again in the next version... :) 20:43 hmmmm having that one feature realy is a dealbreaker? 20:43 hmmmm but look at all the other great stuff that 0.4.8 has.... 20:44 sapier hmmmm guess we should hurry to fix it for 0.4.9 20:45 magikfingerz Well I use the button because I haven't found a reliable method to install mods manually... I unzipped tothe mods directory but I can't see it when I open minetest, that's why I use the "Local Install" button... 20:45 sapier are you sure that button was there in 0.4.7?? 20:45 sapier thought modstore was added in 0.4.8? 20:46 magikfingerz sapier, I have that version right now(0.4.7) and I see it right now... :) 20:46 sapier ok ok :-) 20:46 sapier guess I got something wrong 20:46 hmmmm :) 20:46 hmmmm he is probably using a development version 20:46 magikfingerz hmmmm, you are right :D 20:47 hmmmm well magikfingerz, that's not really 0.4.7 20:47 hmmmm and it's also not supported 20:47 hmmmm there are things with that button that are broken which was the reason it was removed 20:47 hmmmm enjoy your broken stuff :/ 20:47 magikfingerz hmmmm, well... that's the version what is worked for me hehe... :) 20:48 hmmmm you're a happy guy aren't you 20:48 magikfingerz hmmmm, sure, because minetest works great :D 20:48 hmmmm :) 20:50 Exio4 that :) is http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4772/1767/1600/62483229d.jpg 20:50 magikfingerz Thans a lot guys... I will play right now because my 8-year child wants to create a new world with a couple of mods activated...(thats why I play minetest, to play some adventures with him :D) 20:51 us_0gb For me, the text-input seeds were all I needed to convince me to upgrade. 20:51 us_0gb There are a lot of other good things too, but something as simple as that is usually my favorite new feature. 20:56 ShadowNinja Megaf: Type "bt" and "bt full" and ,,paste the results. 20:56 ShadowBot Use a pastebin like pastebin.ubuntu.com. 20:57 Megaf ShadowBot, where, when, why? 20:57 Megaf ShadowNinja, 20:57 Megaf it still working 20:57 ShadowNinja Megaf: What do you mean? You gust said it crashed. 20:57 kaeza lol Exio4 20:57 Megaf I said that a lot ago 20:59 PilzAdam does ,,paste work for everybody or just ShadowNinja? 20:59 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Only me, because MinetestBot is arround and ShadowBot ignores everyone but me to prevent command conflicts. 21:13 Peacock motherfucking fuck, 2/3's of my circuits don't work 21:14 Peacock all the really old ones made in this country still work, guess where the rest came from :P 21:52 Megaf ShadowNinja, 21:52 Megaf Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 21:52 Megaf 0x08451c7b in irr::gui::CGUIFont::getDimension(wchar_t const*) const () 21:52 PilzAdam Megaf, bt all 21:52 PilzAdam eh, bt full 21:52 Megaf too late, closed already 21:52 Megaf sorry 21:53 PilzAdam well, what you just posted isnt very useful 21:53 Zeg9 Hello! 21:53 Megaf PilzAdam, ok, Next time I will give more info 21:54 Megaf its crashing when sending chat messages 21:54 Megaf either in the normal chat box either on the terminal like thing F10 21:58 EvergreenTree hello Zeg9 long time no see 21:58 Zeg9 Hi Evergreen 22:01 ShadowNinja Megaf: If the core was dumped you might be able to do "gdb bin/minetest core". 22:05 harrison minetest from the debian repo crashes when the Public Serverlist checkbox is checked 22:06 sfan5 harrison: provide a backtrace 22:08 harrison http://pastebin.com/wru2Qfc6 22:09 sfan5 that doesn't help 22:09 harrison i am not agitating for a fix 22:09 sfan5 you probably need a debug build 22:09 ShadowNinja LuaJIT being helpfull with it's exception mangling again. 22:09 harrison i am just reporting 22:15 Exio4 anyone playing clickingbad? 22:16 Peacock i prefer clickinggood, its more christian 22:17 Exio4 ew :P 22:17 Peacock lol 22:17 Peacock christ compels you! :P 22:21 ShadowNinja Exio4: I played it, and "beat/won" it. (By having everything) 22:27 Exio4 ShadowNinja: i'm still playing it 22:32 Exio4 i want to get the a whole month playing achiv 23:00 Megaf It would be nice a sponge thing to dry the water of 23:00 Megaf like in the old minecraft 23:00 paramat Hi hmmmm, concerning biomes in MGV7, may i suggest per node calculation of biome instead of per column? Temperature and humidity both being 2D noise plus a linear fall with altitude ... 23:03 kaeza !g minetest sponge 23:03 MinetestBot kaeza: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4642 23:03 kaeza Megaf, ^ 23:08 paramat indeed we have our own brand of sponge 23:11 hmmmm paramat, yes 23:12 hmmmm you see I ran into the biome column selection problem when I was adding 'top nodes' under ridges 23:12 paramat good :) 23:12 hmmmm the thing is, each of those biome calculations were O(n) so I couldn't sacrifice performance 23:12 hmmmm with the new way I factor height into the equation though, I have O(1) performance since I am able to precompute all biome values and check it from a look up table 23:13 hmmmm so I can do a biome calculation per-node 23:13 paramat will you be using biome points and voronai diagrams? 23:13 hmmmm I am already doing that 23:13 paramat okay 23:14 hmmmm I don't want biomes to be completely per-node though 23:14 hmmmm it doesn't make much sense to go upward and then all of a sudden it's a tundra biome whereas a couple nodes below it was a rainforest biome 23:15 hmmmm there could be a temperature falloff with height, certainly 23:15 hmmmm but it won't change everything 23:15 paramat humidity falloff will help 23:16 zat Could not find EKEY_CODE, using orig. X11 keycode instead: 25 23:16 zat ??????????? 23:16 paramat that will help place biomes where they should be 23:17 paramat i was about to say 3D biome dither/blend is beautiful but i saw on -dev you don't like biome blend :) 23:17 paramat 3D dither in ice is pretty 23:18 hmmmm i know 23:18 hmmmm I need to figure out how to mix liquid dust nodes between biomes 23:18 hmmmm i don't know how generalized it should be 23:19 hmmmm i have no idea what i should be doing because the only thing i have to go off of is minecraft, and their biomes are rather limited in terms of features 23:19 hmmmm since everything is hardcoded 23:19 paramat 'biomes o' plenty' in MC has 87 new biomes 23:20 paramat i'm seeing those biomes on Sips ans Sjin and Yogscast videos 23:20 hmmmm yeah but the node that forms between cold biomes and warm biomes on top of water are always ice nodes 23:20 hmmmm i think they dither ice? 23:21 hmmmm that's a hardcoded effect though 23:22 Megaf kaeza, thanks 23:28 hehe Hello 23:34 paramat hmmmm i also saw on -dev you are having troubles with dust nodes at y = 48 chunk boundaries ... i can certainly sympathize 23:35 paramat my own solution though is fairly rough and radical and may create other problems 23:50 hmmmm my approach is to use as much of the information available to me to guess what the nodes below me are 23:50 hmmmm which works half of the time 23:56 Jordach paramat, get on with it! :D