Time Nick Message 00:29 Miner_48er is there a minetest.register_on_joinplayer_ip or similar function? 00:35 fmcd thats cool.. i guess a scale of 1 block to 1 sq ft would be a bit ambitious 00:38 VanessaE well one block is 1 cubic meter actually 00:39 ShadowNinja Miner_48er: minetest.register_on_joinplayer(function(player) local ip = minetest.get_player_ip(player:get_player_name()) end) 00:43 Miner_48er thx 00:47 ShadowNinja That probably fits better as player:get_player_ip()... 01:42 Guest59472 hi all 01:42 Guest59472 proller, are you there? 01:42 Megaf CMake Error: The source directory "/home/megaf/minetest-next/. -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1" does not exist 01:54 Partmedia Megaf, what command line did you use? 01:55 Megaf cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 01:56 Megaf Partmedia, but thats with the next 01:56 Megaf not the normal minetest 02:38 healshot Hey everyone! 02:40 healshot Anyone here know about the game mode - Realtest Revamped 02:40 healshot I would be greatful if anyone does 02:43 ShadowNinja healshot: Yes, it's a fork of Realtest by Dan. 02:44 healshot Kool im trying to download the latest for minetest-0.4.8 02:44 healshot but i dont think the github is working 02:45 ShadowNinja healshot: Dan deleted his repos recently, I think VanessaE has a copy. 02:46 VanessaE everything was restored as forum attachments, including the last version of realtest 02:46 healshot Kool I think the MOd is great i love Terrafirma Craft and i just like that i could possibly code for it 02:46 VanessaE I run a server based on it, also 02:46 Exio4 >delete repositories 02:46 Exio4 that is childish 02:46 healshot You are a godess 02:47 healshot Im a big TFC fan and a big fan of Wurmonline 02:47 VanessaE I am? 02:47 healshot I was gonna try and make a verison of wurm online with minetest 02:47 * VanessaE looks herself over.... I seem quite human.. 02:47 healshot yeah Vanessae 02:47 Vazon hello everyone :D 02:47 healshot yeah ive been banging my head trying to find a version 02:47 healshot Hi Vazon 02:47 healshot o/ 02:49 healshot mind if i join the server Vanessae 02:51 healshot Last question so is the game mode no longer active? 02:51 healshot well being developed 02:52 VanessaE sure, of ourse 02:52 VanessaE no longer active? 02:52 VanessaE well, I'm not sure about that. 02:53 VanessaE you're of course welcome to join and play 02:53 healshot Kool TY 02:53 healshot anyone here ever play Wurm Online? 02:54 Vazon hmm is advertiseing allowed?? just asking 02:54 VanessaE that sorta depends 02:54 VanessaE what sort of advertisement? 02:54 Vazon ok i know some places they kick you if you adervtize 02:55 healshot Hey Vanessae im in Hickory NC 02:55 VanessaE I'm in Waynesville 02:55 healshot im more near Rhodhiss 02:55 VanessaE dunno where that is 02:56 healshot Near Lenoir 02:56 healshot Sorry if im chatty just excite at the possiblities of this engine vs java 02:57 VanessaE chatty is good :) 02:57 healshot Yeah the guys over at Terrafirma craft are quiet 02:57 Vazon still tryingto get minetest server to run in terminal.... and failling like a champ XD 02:57 thexyz anyone has this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1262? 02:58 VanessaE thexyz: I think peacock knows where to get the code 02:58 VanessaE but it's pretty much useless by now I'd think 02:58 thexyz then it can be ported 02:59 healshot Trying to figure out a way to make a Wagon mod for the game 03:00 healshot Similar to Simply Horses from MC 03:00 healshot im pretty well versed in LUA and C++ 03:00 healshot Im just now digging into minetest 03:01 healshot any recommendations on tutorials or guides for modding MT 03:01 NakedFury im not sure we have any 03:01 NakedFury just the documentatio 03:02 healshot Ah 03:02 thexyz http://dev.minetest.net/Intro 03:02 thexyz tutorial right here 03:02 healshot Well i guess there is a first time for everything 03:03 thexyz VanessaE: thanks, I'll ask him 03:04 VanessaE sure 03:04 VanessaE in fact...I know he sent me a link at one time 03:04 healshot Yeah im not seeing how to do entities yest 03:04 thexyz VanessaE: maybe you still have it? 03:04 VanessaE lemme check, hold 03:05 Vazon VanessaE what linux do you run ??? 03:05 VanessaE Xubuntu 13.10 03:06 healshot Yeah im not seeing how i can add entities i guess, I would have to have a custom version of MT to accomplish it 03:06 Vazon ooo dang i was goingto ask if you had a base model for server running terminal but i run Ubuntu not Xubuntu 03:06 healshot Time to code till bedtime Got turkey day tomorrow 03:07 VanessaE Xubuntu is just Ubuntu with XFCE on tiop 03:07 VanessaE too* 03:07 VanessaE top** 03:07 VanessaE and I run it on my VPS also 03:08 healshot Are there any mod that add mobs to the game? 03:08 Vazon ok well your the best mod make and linux expert i know lol 03:08 Vazon so i figured i would ask 03:08 exoplanet healshot~ MOB framework or simple mobs 03:09 healshot Ok i guess ill have to base my code off of it till i can get a proper enity system for vehicles 03:09 exoplanet use it as a dependency, dont fork 03:10 healshot ok 03:10 exoplanet it easier for you and better for the users :) 03:10 healshot OK cause to get my Wurm Mod im gonna have to make a whole new game mode 03:11 exoplanet why? 03:11 healshot Well just like realm test im gonna have to create a few mods 03:11 healshot i mean realtest 03:12 exoplanet games are just meta-"packages" of mods… 03:12 healshot Quick question how do you guys feel about a skills system yay or nay 03:12 healshot yeah i get what your daying 03:12 healshot im better at voip communication rather than text 03:13 exoplanet skill system makes sense if it adds something to the game play 03:13 healshot Well Ie you cant mine this rock until you reach a certain skill level 03:13 exoplanet does the minetest community have a mumble server? @ all 03:13 ShadowNinja skills == achivements? 03:14 ShadowNinja exoplanet: No. 03:14 ShadowNinja healshot: That's interesting, tools have levels, but not players. 03:14 VanessaE thexyz: no luck, but I did find a reference where peacock said he definitely has the source code in question 03:15 healshot or you cant craft said item till you reach the abilty to craft it. example you cant build a ship until you level wood working and then you can do entry level ship building 03:15 healshot yeah basicallly it would be skills rule the game world not player level 03:15 VanessaE thexyz: FreeNode-#minetest.log:Sep 12 2013 19:48:41 i found a copy of the source for the version where that dude did colored lights like two years ago,but it wouldn't build 03:16 exoplanet thanks ShadowNinja 03:17 healshot ShadowNinja : so ie you mine stone>Iron>so on 03:18 healshot But then SMithing would have you make Pickaxes 03:18 healshot so skills would intertwine 03:19 exoplanet but wouldn't that lead to senseless mining of ress X so you can build your which better looking ress Y ? healshot 03:19 healshot Here is what im trying to recplicate: Link http://www.wurmpedia.com/ 03:19 healshot Well the levels would not be extreme 03:20 healshot and skill gain bonuses would also be in the game 03:20 healshot Ie eating certain food , sleeping, magic spells cat on you 03:20 healshot ^cast on you 03:21 healshot but yeah im would use Wurm as a inspiration point 03:22 healshot But, Im trying to gauge if a Skill system would be well recieved 03:22 healshot or just leave it out 03:24 healshot Again Sorry Guys if im chatty im as excited as a kid on christmas after i found minetest 03:24 NakedFury a game mode like that would be nice 03:24 exoplanet would be interessting, i think a game would make sense :) 03:25 healshot Yeah I would also have a focus on PVP like Ultima Online 03:25 healshot i just dont know how far i would do magic 03:25 exoplanet or a mod but that really depends on the technical side. If it just complicates stuff then i don't think that people would install a mod. But a game? Yup, that would work. 03:26 healshot Yeah the Gamemode would not be an issue 03:26 healshot It would just take me awhile to get all the mods for it working 03:27 healshot Im working on the Vehicles ATM for a mod 03:28 healshot Right now im just trying to make sense of the libraies in mob frame work to help out 03:29 exoplanet there is a car mod that kind of works… 03:29 thexyz VanessaE: thanks 03:29 healshot Yeah i like the riding mechanic in place in Mob Frame work 03:29 healshot I'll lookinto the Car mod 03:30 healshot I have also noticed there are not alot of mod in the MMdb 03:31 healshot This mod looks promising : Factions 03:31 healshot could use that for kingdoms 03:32 exoplanet healshot~ https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7381‎ 03:32 exoplanet MMdB is not that finished, and yes many people did not upload their mod. 03:33 healshot Yeah Exo gonna have to make it off of a mobile chunk to avoid lag 03:34 healshot Just like with Minecraft boats i think its better if they are mobile chunks 03:35 healshot Looks like im gonna have to hire a full time Sprite and Pixel artist lol 03:36 Vazon hmmm man why does this have t obe so hard 03:36 healshot I think, Im gonna reach out to the community and get a DEv team together 03:36 healshot Whats up Vazon 03:38 healshot Also for you Modders out there Notepad++ is your friend 03:38 exoplanet notepad just runs on windows… 03:38 exoplanet *++ 03:38 healshot No the program is called ++ 03:39 healshot they have other release of Notepad++ 03:39 healshot i think there is a linux version 03:39 exoplanet that's why there is the "*++" 03:39 RealBadAngel forget that, Geany is the best friend 03:40 RealBadAngel aviable for windows and linux 03:40 healshot Well i wrote a few plugins for notepad ++ 03:40 RealBadAngel nothing better out there 03:40 healshot and one is LUa for Moddding WoW 03:40 healshot What the site RealBadAngel? 03:41 healshot Im open to new Stuff to make life easier and let me code faster 03:41 exoplanet RealBadAngel~ oh yes Geany so fast so much functionality and between IDE and Texteditor 03:41 RealBadAngel http://www.geany.org/ 03:41 exoplanet http://www.geany.org/ 03:41 healshot Ty guys 03:41 RealBadAngel ninja'd :) 03:42 Vazon just trying to get my minetest server to run ing the Ubuntu terminal thats all lol same thing i have been trying to do for over 5 hours now 03:42 exoplanet Vazon~ what is the problem? Do you terminate the server when you quit ssh? 03:43 * exoplanet Notepad++ is still great and open source… but just windows :( 03:44 healshot lol 03:44 NakedFury i got both for quick notpad reading of README's 03:44 healshot Yeah i just have been using ++ for a long time 03:45 healshot Now to get on the serevr 03:46 exoplanet I use mousepad as my simple text editor and geany for larger stuff (+ IDE) 03:46 RealBadAngel healshot, just try geany, you will forget other editors quickly 03:46 healshot k 03:47 RealBadAngel it has syntax higlighting also for Lua 03:47 RealBadAngel not to mention c++ 03:47 exoplanet the geany website looks so old :( never saw it before 03:47 healshot Vanessae's : is this still the serve addy: digitalaudioconcepts.com, port 30004 03:48 VanessaE yep 03:48 RealBadAngel exoplanet, i just saw the website when i was asked for link, and im using geany for more than yr already lol 03:48 healshot what do i put for userame and pass? 03:49 exoplanet username - what you want 03:49 exoplanet password - only if needed, you have to ask the server admin for it 03:50 healshot kk: its just taking forever, I'm stuck on Item Definitions.... 03:51 healshot anyone got an good Texturepacks for this gamemode? 03:51 exoplanet what is the theme ? healshot 03:52 healshot Medevial fantasy / realism 04:01 RealBadAngel a second 04:02 RealBadAngel https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7708 04:03 RealBadAngel thats for realism 04:03 exoplanet RealBadAngel~ have you changed your avatar? 04:03 RealBadAngel i did 04:04 healshot RealbadAngel I did not know you where a dev for MT 04:04 healshot Thats awesome it rare to actually talk to game dev that much 04:04 RealBadAngel thats nothing unusual here 04:05 healshot I wondering if a full converison to C++ for Wurm would be possible 04:05 healshot its a java game aswell 04:08 healshot So RBAngel would you like to do some art for me when im ready for it? Im no artist. 04:11 exoplanet healshot~ you are new to IRC aren't you? There is a thing called tab completion. Just type the first letters of a name and hit tab 04:11 healshot Yeah last time i used IRC was like 1998-1999 04:12 RealBadAngel healshot, im rather a coder, im doing gfx casually 04:12 healshot Not working with Xchat 04:13 healshot I see RealBadAngel yeah i cant do GFX or Modling to save me life 04:13 healshot Mostly a Networking Specialist 04:14 healshot Ive been working on a game called 7daystodie 04:14 healshot they needed help with there Netcode 04:16 RealBadAngel in fact we also need something like that 04:16 healshot Whats the issue 04:16 RealBadAngel minetest is using UDP 04:16 healshot Ewww 04:16 RealBadAngel which is hell sloooooow 04:17 healshot Ok ill get to work on that 04:17 healshot ANy style you have in mind? 04:17 RealBadAngel tcp/ip 04:17 RealBadAngel we do have a workaround - cURL, but its not handy 04:17 healshot Okey do you need anything special? 04:17 RealBadAngel speed :) 04:18 healshot Well give me till the first of the year to get a stable build out but i can have indev build in a few days 04:18 RealBadAngel there was an attempt to use tcp/ip but it wasnt stable 04:19 healshot yeah you have to know what your doing 04:19 RealBadAngel do you know where to find the sources? 04:19 healshot On the site i would assume 04:20 RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest/minetest 04:20 healshot VanessaE, How do you get sticks in this game mode? 04:20 RealBadAngel this is main repo of the engine 04:20 healshot ok RealBadAngel I'll get started on friday cause im not crazy and going shopping on black friday. 04:21 RealBadAngel cool, in case of any questions, feel free to ask 04:21 healshot i may have a few 04:22 healshot a quick one is there ever gonna be a central server like MC for login and password? 04:22 VanessaE healshot: in realtest? 04:22 VanessaE dig the dirt out from under a tree, then collect everything that falls 04:22 healshot VanessaE, NVM i just had bad luck i finally got a stick 04:23 VanessaE among the fallen items will be sticks 04:24 healshot yeah im gonna fix that in my mod thats kinda weird 04:24 healshot ill make it like TreeCapitator 04:25 healshot any idea what rocks are for? 04:29 RealBadAngel healshot, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/tree/tcp_connection 04:29 RealBadAngel this is an attempt to implement tcp/ip 04:29 RealBadAngel maybe this could be of help for you 04:31 healshot Ill take a look, I most likely start from scratch or base it on some of my other work 04:35 Vazon grrr 04:35 Vazon i failed agian 04:36 RealBadAngel i meant it may give you ideas whats needed to do and where 04:36 healshot Ah got yeah looking at it is making my brain hurt 04:36 healshot its really messy 04:38 RealBadAngel it was working to some point 04:39 healshot Its iniffcient and sloppy but has a great foundation 04:39 healshot i can work with it 04:41 RealBadAngel good 04:41 Inocudom Fess made a post in your shaders topic today, RealBadAngel. Looks like he know of a place where shaders can be tested should you ever need it. 04:42 RealBadAngel i saw it already, that ocean shader is pretty interesting 04:43 Inocudom Does anybody here know about the new animals for mobf? 04:43 Inocudom Rabbits, butterflies, turtles, swans. 04:43 RealBadAngel wabbits? 04:44 healshot Are there any mod for hunger that work? 04:44 * RealBadAngel opens hunting season for wabbits 04:44 Inocudom Yes, rabbits. They were made by a talented modeler. 04:45 RealBadAngel healshot, yup, there are some mods for it, and even game mode 04:45 healshot Thinking of adding it to Realtest 04:45 Inocudom Donkeys were also made by the same person. I want to see the new animals, but they don't spawn on the maps. 04:45 RealBadAngel ask sapier bout them 04:45 healshot Yeah im gonna download MOBF 04:46 Inocudom Since butterflies are one of the creatures, I brought forth the idea of there being bumble bees as well. 04:46 healshot Now we are talking Forestry with apiaries like in Foretry mod for MC 04:46 Inocudom You are the modder for Realtest now, healshot? 04:46 healshot Im making a new Gamemode similar to Realtest 04:47 Inocudom BlockMen attempted hunger, so his might work. 04:47 healshot its gonna be called Wurmtest lol 04:47 healshot i lack creativity atm 04:47 healshot im working on a skill Mod ATM 04:47 healshot should have a test version soon 04:48 Inocudom For hostile monsters, wasps (especially southern yellow jackets) would make a good type of monster. 04:48 healshot ill let you guys have first crack at it. 04:48 Inocudom They could come from scary paper nests. 04:49 Inocudom http://youtu.be/cGEsVkruBg0 and http://youtu.be/NQ0h7Q1DC40 show southern yellow jackets. 04:50 healshot ok for the Test version of the skills MOD im gonna have Digging , Mining, Wood cutting, 04:50 healshot Then will go from there 04:51 healshot The Gui is gonna be the death of me right now 04:52 Inocudom Good luck to you. 04:52 healshot Inocudom, all is working except for a proper GUI atm 04:53 healshot Just had to get some nodes going for dirt and mining 04:53 Inocudom A good gui is very important. 04:53 healshot Yeah i was never good at them I worked on the Auctioneer Mod for WOW, all i did was code a friend did the gui 04:53 healshot GUI are my bane 04:55 Vazon does anyone have a auto server restart for linux??? 04:55 VanessaE while true; do minetestserver {insert options here}; sleep 5; done 04:55 VanessaE that's all it takes. 04:56 VanessaE that simple loop will cause it to restart 5 seconds after it exits 04:56 Vazon thanks :D 04:57 Vazon where do i put server name? 05:01 Miner_48er minetestserver -world name 05:03 Vazon ok 05:04 Vazon btw how are you Miner its been what 2 months since the last time we have talked 05:05 Miner_48er good how are you? 05:07 Vazon good having a wonderfull time failling at things lol 05:08 Vazon what am idoing wrong VanessaE 05:09 Vazon while true; do minetestserver --Minerealms; sleep 5; done 05:09 VanessaE -world Minerealms 05:09 Vazon ok 05:10 Vazon while true; do minetestserver -world Minerealms; sleep 5; done that still will not work 05:10 VanessaE try two dashes 05:10 Miner_48er while true; do minetestserver --worldname Minerealms; sleep 5; done 05:10 Vazon ok 05:11 Vazon perfect thanks 2 the both of you, you both have helped me so much here :D 05:11 VanessaE or do that :) 05:19 healshot RealBadAngel, SO IM ASSUMING TO INSTALL TEXTURE PACK DO YOU UNZIP THEM TO THE TEXTURE FOLDER? 05:19 healshot sorry for caps 05:20 RealBadAngel yeah 05:20 RealBadAngel since 0.4.8 they have to be in a folder 05:20 RealBadAngel and you can select them in texture packs tab 05:21 healshot yeah i selected the pack its just not showing up in my SSP 05:21 RealBadAngel if you want tp to be server's one put it in "server" folder 05:22 RealBadAngel otherwise its just for client 05:22 VanessaE wait, since when were there proper server-side texture packs? 05:23 healshot I dont see a folder called server 05:23 RealBadAngel i just read something bout it recently? 05:23 RealBadAngel havent tested it though 05:23 VanessaE huh. well if that's how to do it, then I guess :) 05:24 RealBadAngel texture pack shall be named "server" 05:24 RealBadAngel thats how the doc says 05:25 RealBadAngel i quess i read that in nore's pull that introduced that 05:26 Inocudom VanessaE, have you been able to test the new animals for mobf yet? 05:26 VanessaE I have not. 05:26 healshot RealBadAngel, its taking awhile for it to load when i go to SSP heads up 05:30 healshot VanessaE, Do you have any texture packs for Realtest? 05:30 VanessaE HDX supports it to some degree 05:31 Inocudom The new animals are donkeys, butterflies, geese, turtles, and bunny rabbits. 05:31 VanessaE maybe about 10-15% so far (there are some 1100 textures in realtest O_O) 05:31 healshot yeah i like RealBadAngel's but its counter productive 05:32 Inocudom They were made by a talented modeller. 05:32 Inocudom The new animals. 05:32 healshot whats the newest version of Mobf 05:32 VanessaE Sokomine: *poke* 05:34 Inocudom You should be able to find the new animals towards the end of mobf's topic. 05:35 ShadowNinja healshot: Re: central login. There has been discussion of it, but nobody has coded anything. And I don't really like that the central server is usually the forum. 05:36 healshot Ah ok ShadowNinja , just didnot know if there was gonna be a central login 05:38 Inocudom https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=119787#p119787 New animals were made by AspireMint. 05:41 healshot so im simple turns where is the zip for it Inocudom 05:41 healshot Terms i mean 05:41 reactor Mroning. 05:41 Inocudom https://forum.minetest.net/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=108&download=1 Here is the link. 05:41 healshot herro reactor 05:43 healshot TY Inocudom 05:43 Inocudom I want people to actually care about those new animals that AspireMint made. 05:43 Inocudom You are welcome. 05:43 healshot it seems like most of the mods in the forusm where made with in the last 2-3 months 05:44 healshot Im gonna try and addthem to Realtest 05:44 reactor No wonder, most were on vacation on summer. 05:44 Inocudom If Minetest is to have a future, mods that add life to the game must be revered, not ignored. 05:44 healshot Yeah im 28 last time i had a vaction was 5 years ago 05:45 healshot Yeah im gonna try and get a fe wmods out Inocudom 05:45 healshot SO far i have about 4 atm im working on 05:45 healshot main one being my skills mod 05:47 healshot Also working on a ship, fishing, Pvp mod 05:48 healshot Anyone know if there is a thirst mod? 05:49 Sokomine no, no geese. swans. they just look similar to geese 05:49 Sokomine maybe i ought to have made them larger 05:51 Sokomine there is a fishing mod already, and a boats mod as well. as far as thirst go...hunger exists as a mod 05:51 Sokomine perhaps yours can be sligthly diffrent. new mods are alaways welcome 05:55 healshot Wells the boats mode would be more like the small boats mod in MC 05:56 healshot also they would be alot less laggy than vanilla boats 05:56 healshot well the fishing mod is gonna be like MC aquaculture 05:57 healshot The thirst mod will be simple at first 05:58 healshot the pvp mod will have catapults , trebuches, cannons balistas, hwatic carts, and battering rams , large gates and much more 05:59 healshot Inocudom you there 06:31 healshot Sokomine, do you code mods at all? 06:31 ShadowNinja healshot: Yes, she does. 06:32 healshot well anyone could help with this but here is the idea for the mod 06:33 healshot it would be more for SMP 06:33 healshot Player Ghost 06:33 healshot When your turn it on and you logout it spawn a NPC with the same armour, weapon and name as you 06:34 healshot If killed it respawn after 1 minute and disappear when you log back in 06:54 TheZenKitteh I'm playing on a friends minetest server and I spotted something I can't explain and curious if anyone has any ideas. when he connects via lan (even from multiple computers at the same time), the server cpu remains no higher than 15%. however as soon as I connect and within a minute (even when idle), the cpu spikes and maxes out and severe lag (over 40 seconds) 06:55 healshot not sure on that one 06:56 ShadowNinja TheZenKitteh: I haven't ever experienced that. Are you sure you don't have a rouge mod? 06:56 TheZenKitteh my client and his server version are same: 0.4.7. I also tested out 0.4.8 client/server and same thing. seems when I connect cpu spikes high and lag increases 06:57 TheZenKitteh I've tried run in place client compiled from minetest git and tried precompiled ubuntu packages for client. for 0.4.7 server unsure his source. for the 0.4.8 test I used git sources 06:58 TheZenKitteh as I said, the cpu only spikes when I connect 06:58 TheZenKitteh lol 06:58 TheZenKitteh I can't figure it out 06:58 reactor ? 06:58 TheZenKitteh his server cpu spikes* 06:59 TheZenKitteh he just connected with three clients at same time from his lan and server cpu for minetest didn't exceed 15% 06:59 TheZenKitteh when I connect it exceeds 90% 06:59 TheZenKitteh remains so till I disconnect 06:59 TheZenKitteh im not even sure if it's a software problem 06:59 TheZenKitteh im curious if anyone would have any idea of potential causes for such a situation 07:02 VanessaE TheZenKitteh: are you in the same location as your friend, and do you have the same inventory? 07:02 VanessaE (specifically, the items in your hotbar) 07:02 TheZenKitteh im on the east coast, he's in texas 07:02 VanessaE I mean on the map 07:02 VanessaE e.g. are you both at the same coordinates 07:02 exoplanet monitor netwroking, maybe something floods the server. Windows? TheZenKitteh 07:03 TheZenKitteh I use his ssh to connect to irc for privacy reasons so my ip will show texas. ihave his permission for such. 07:03 TheZenKitteh im on linux 07:03 TheZenKitteh I think he's on windows. server is on linux 07:03 VanessaE nevermind your geographical location on earth 07:03 VanessaE I mean your location within the minetest world :) 07:03 TheZenKitteh well there's so much lag we both appear to be jerky and it takes over 30 seconds for the server to respond to a command 07:04 healshot VanessaE, im trying to instal fishing_master into Real test i keep getting errors have you ever installed this mod 07:04 TheZenKitteh when im not connected, he says there's no lag 07:04 VanessaE healshot: no. but i can tell you it should not be "fishing-master" 07:04 healshot Here is the link to the mod : https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6480 07:04 VanessaE change the folder name to 'fishing' 07:04 VanessaE and try again 07:04 VanessaE TheZenKitteh: but are you at the same location in the minetest map as he is when you sign in? 07:05 TheZenKitteh well we can see each other. if you speak of coordinates not sure. didn't think to check such 07:05 VanessaE you need to find out 07:05 TheZenKitteh I assume it is in the player file? 07:05 VanessaE press F5 to find your coordinates. 07:06 VanessaE ask your friend his. 07:06 VanessaE have him teleport to you. then both of you sign off. 07:06 VanessaE then have him sign on again 07:06 VanessaE chances are, the server will start lagging. 07:07 VanessaE this means there's a "lag machine" in the area. i.e. some construction of mesecons, technic, or something else, which causes the server to lag because *someone* is close enough to cause the server to load and run it 07:07 VanessaE if it doesn't matter where you are, then it's something in your inventory that's causing the lag 07:08 VanessaE such as a flashlight or other walking lightm etc. 07:08 VanessaE , 07:08 VanessaE figure out which situation persists - does it matter where you are? then go from there. 07:08 healshot Hey VanessaE thatnks for the heads up it works great in the mod pack 07:09 TheZenKitteh well in one test I had a fresh world 07:09 TheZenKitteh nothing built 07:09 TheZenKitteh the lag was still there 07:09 VanessaE TheZenKitteh: same inventory contents? 07:10 TheZenKitteh no inventory contents on that test 07:10 VanessaE well a fresh world is gonna lag anyway 07:10 VanessaE mapge 07:10 VanessaE mapgen. 07:10 TheZenKitteh well coords are same on his world 07:10 VanessaE doesn't matter 07:10 reactor Arnold Lane... had a strange hobby! 07:10 VanessaE if it's a brand new map, the map generator is busy running, and this will cause everyone else to lag. 07:10 TheZenKitteh he logged out, cpu still 90% and only dropped 5% when he logged out with me still logged in 07:11 TheZenKitteh im about to have him log back in and me log out 07:11 TheZenKitteh yea 07:11 TheZenKitteh when I log out 15% 07:12 TheZenKitteh seems somehow im causing the cpu spike 07:12 VanessaE what happens if you create a new account? 07:12 VanessaE i.e. sign on with a new name 07:12 TheZenKitteh don't know, lets see 07:12 reactor It's normal eh. 07:13 reactor When you crate a password, it has to compute the hash. 07:13 TheZenKitteh less cpu but still far more than with him logged in multiple times. 65% now 07:13 TheZenKitteh and rising 07:13 VanessaE wait. 07:13 VanessaE let your account settle in 07:13 VanessaE it might just be the map being sent to you 07:13 TheZenKitteh 2 of his clients = 15% cpu use. when I come in it jumps 07:14 TheZenKitteh im not moving in the world 07:14 TheZenKitteh lol 07:14 TheZenKitteh im waiting to see if it lowers before I move 07:14 TheZenKitteh seems to be stable around 40% 07:14 TheZenKitteh better than prior 07:14 VanessaE I can only guess it's a bug in the network code, maybe a long ping time causes a CPU spike? 07:14 TheZenKitteh yay cpu settled to 12% 07:15 TheZenKitteh so has to be something with my character file 07:15 VanessaE there you go 07:15 VanessaE no 07:15 VanessaE not if you signed in with a new name 07:15 reactor By the way. Is map transfer still crawling slow in MT? 07:15 VanessaE new character file then 07:15 TheZenKitteh I know, I mean old character file 07:15 VanessaE reactor, about as slow as it's been yeah 07:15 reactor Or does it have to do with variables? 07:15 VanessaE TheZenKitteh: then it's something in your inventory. 07:15 reactor Also. How's it going with lags? 07:15 reactor Still much lag? 07:16 VanessaE lag's as bad as ever if the Lua side of things has a lot of work to do, yeah 07:16 VanessaE (or if the mapgen is too busy) 07:16 reactor So, more mods = more lag? 07:16 VanessaE not necessarily 07:16 TheZenKitteh about to test if lag has improved, I think it has 07:16 VanessaE more mods that do active stuff = more lag, generally. 07:17 VanessaE but many mods just add nodes without adding active code. 07:18 VanessaE brb 07:18 TheZenKitteh lag improved dramatically 07:18 healshot Is there a way to get MT to go full screen? 07:18 TheZenKitteh ty VanessaE 07:18 TheZenKitteh ^_^ 07:20 TheZenKitteh well off to play. ta ta 07:22 exoplanet healshot~ which wm do you use? 07:22 healshot WM? 07:22 exoplanet window manager 07:23 reactor Holy wars. Here we go again. 07:23 healshot Im still kinda fuzzy on what you mean I use Windows 7 ulti 07:24 healshot 64bit 07:24 healshot but i have 2 more boot 07:24 exoplanet for most WM you can configure a shortcut to fullscreen a window 07:24 healshot i have an android bot and a linux boot and a windows 8 boot 07:24 exoplanet oh windows. good question, then. :) 07:24 healshot I thought there was a comand like Mc you hit f11 07:25 healshot could i run a target command? 07:25 healshot like -fullscreen 07:26 reactor Is the FreeBSD port up to date now? 07:27 exoplanet looked in the manpage, and no there is not fullscreen option healshot healshot 07:27 reactor Maybe we should also add the "minetest-devel" port, that would fetch the latest git? 07:27 reactor exoplanet: should edit the config. 07:27 reactor I wonder if minetest.conf has #include. 07:27 healshot Ok exoplanet Thought there was a way to ge fullscreen 07:28 exoplanet reactor~ can find an option there 07:28 reactor If it does, create two configs with different fullscreens status, and include the main config. 07:30 exoplanet ther should be a cli switch. 07:30 exoplanet *e 07:35 healshot Yeah im gonna need a partner for my modding pleaures 07:35 healshot If anyone would like to Join my Mod Dev team let me know 07:39 reactor ? 07:39 reactor What are you trying to do, healshot? 07:39 reactor exoplanet: I have a trick for you. 07:39 healshot It is gonna be a mod or rather a gamemode that will simulate Wurm Online 07:40 reactor Create two configs that include the main one (which you should rename) 07:40 reactor Make scripts that run cpp on them, and overwrite to minetest.conf (which should not exist) 07:41 reactor Cpp should process the #include statements. 07:41 reactor healshot: Wurm? 07:42 healshot http://www.wurmpedia.com/ 07:42 healshot Its a game Notch worked on before making minecraft 07:44 reactor I still don't get it. 07:45 healshot It making an RPG of MT 07:45 reactor Oh. 07:45 healshot Its Minecraft but harder better to watch some videos to get it 07:45 reactor Well, personally, I don't quite like RPGs. 07:46 reactor They take too long to play. 07:46 healshot Well its not the kind of RPG your thing of 07:46 healshot It like dropping you in medvial time to survive 07:46 healshot so its more of a Medevil survival game 07:47 healshot they just added hell hounds and dragons 07:47 healshot and of course other mythical beasts 07:48 reactor I'm not very fond of Middle Ages, either. 07:48 healshot Only reason i like it is for a seige pvp system 07:48 reactor Those were the worst time humanity has ever been though: religion almost destroyed science. 07:48 healshot i think gun / fps pvp is kinda bland 07:48 reactor s/alm/had alm 07:49 reactor Why not. I like shooters. 07:49 reactor They help release mortido very well. 07:49 healshot cant really seige in an fps like you can in guildwars 2 or darkage of camelot or warhammer online 07:49 reactor Why not. 07:50 reactor XXth century was full of epic battles, wasn't it? 07:50 healshot never seen a FPS with a proper seige system 07:50 reactor You mean, siege? 07:50 reactor Ha. Because no one has tried to implement it, that's it. 07:50 healshot yes 07:50 reactor It's a matter of time. 07:51 healshot well the new warhammer 40k mmo is gonna try it 07:51 healshot but again it has touches of fantasy and scifi 07:51 reactor I don't like games that take long to play. 07:51 healshot lol then your missing out 07:52 reactor I like something one can play while an assignment is compiling/processing. 07:52 healshot plus minetest is an infinte time sink lol there is no end to it 07:52 reactor Idk. 07:53 healshot I like games that take skill to play 07:53 healshot I like to earn things in a game not be handed them 07:53 reactor Short games take skill, too. 07:53 reactor Reaction time. 07:53 healshot Not always 07:54 healshot anyone can play call of duty well 07:54 reactor I like to improve my reaction time. 07:54 healshot well with age reaction time goes by the way side 07:55 reactor Do not remind me of aging. 07:55 healshot Twitch gaming had it hay day, games like Battlefield 4 are bringing back skill to the fps 07:55 reactor I shouldn't worry, though, I invest efforts in preserving myself. 07:55 healshot gonna be frozen reactor 07:55 reactor No. 07:56 reactor Well, I hope I will afford to have my head frozen in case I die. 07:56 healshot lol 08:21 healshot Found a bug with the mobf 08:21 healshot I cant kill zombies 09:11 healshot Back 09:11 VanessaE hi 09:11 healshot Vazon you there? 09:12 healshot trying to get a mod pack for Minerealm server 09:12 healshot Got some mods to add to realtest VanessaE 09:13 VanessaE Realtest isn't really meant for mods 09:13 VanessaE besides, I don't maintain it. 09:14 VanessaE no one's picked up the proverbial torch yet 09:14 healshot Mods are : HUD, Fishing, Torches 09:14 healshot Well i can maintain it but it will be different 09:14 VanessaE I just own/run a server that runs that game, but I don't maintain the game 09:15 healshot Gues when i get my real net back ill get to work on it 09:15 healshot right now im tethered to my phone and its as slow as hell 09:17 VanessaE ick 09:17 healshot Yeah i havent had proper net since March 09:17 healshot i have to go to the office to get things done lol 09:24 healshot Well off to bed so i can get up early for turkey day 09:24 healshot night everyone 09:24 iqualfragile haha kebab 09:24 healshot ? 09:26 JamesTait Good morning all; happy French Toast Day! :-D 09:27 VanessaE mmmmmm french toast 09:38 reactor Remove kebab 09:53 iqualfragile reactor: at least somebody got it 09:53 reactor ? 09:54 reactor I like kebab... as long as it's made by Russians in a food producint establishment, not those people coming from poor countries and baking them outside. 09:54 reactor s/int/ing/ 09:55 iqualfragile well, i live in the country kebab was invented in 09:57 iqualfragile brb 09:58 reactor iqualfragile: but you're from Germany, aren't you 09:58 reactor s/$/?/ 09:58 reactor john_minetest: o/ 09:58 iqualfragile hi john_minetest 09:58 iqualfragile yes i am 09:58 iqualfragile it was invented by some turkish guy in berlin 10:00 reactor :D 10:00 reactor john_minetest: again, not everyone is a freaking pony. 10:00 iqualfragile jep döner 10:00 reactor böner 10:00 reactor bönёr 10:00 reactor Whatever. 10:00 iqualfragile and the odds were not that low as berlin is the city with the secound most turkish people living there i think 10:01 iqualfragile or was it third… 10:01 iqualfragile did i mention we have a litle integration problem around here? 10:01 reactor iqualfragile: I see... aren't the Turkish overflowing the place like those immigrants from various neighbouring countries in Russia? 10:02 iqualfragile there are actually imigrants to russia? 10:03 reactor Yes. 10:03 iqualfragile well anyways, got to go, later 10:03 reactor Later maing. 10:03 reactor Yes, because intelligent Russians are running from Russia. 10:03 reactor Russia just doesn't meet their requirements. 10:04 reactor Neither does it meet mine, I think. As I've been told, there are no good wages for theoretical physicists in Russia. 10:04 reactor So, my prospect is quite dull if I stay here. 10:05 reactor As you say. 10:05 reactor I like math, and I like sitting there, drinking tea and thinking over algorithms. 10:08 reactor Dumb? 10:08 reactor It's a matter of taste. I am a theoretical thinker. I really suck at manipulating materials. 10:08 reactor Why should I bother? 10:37 thexyz john_minetest: what kind of algorithms do you study? 10:37 thexyz what notations "nobody uses"? 10:41 reactor proller: 3DPABCTBYNTE 10:47 proller PREVED 10:54 reactor Btw. 10:54 reactor proller: how about we register #minetest-ru? 10:55 proller good idea 11:02 thexyz john_minetest: any names? 11:02 thexyz minetest-ru is taken already 11:03 reactor You're into Markov chains? 11:06 thexyz I'm sure he's talking about markov algorithms 11:22 VanessaE proller: this one's for you :) http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/git_commit.png 11:23 proller its about every, who do something 11:29 thexyz some algorithms names, or are you studying the theory in general? like algprithm definition, turing machine, markov algorithms, halting problem, etc. 11:29 Guest60739 proller, did you see the message I sent to you? 11:31 proller you have strange problem, cmake is 99/9% same as in master 11:33 thexyz alright 11:41 reactor john_minetest: I told you you better do applied math. 11:41 reactor You're gonna die of boredom. 11:44 proller Megaf, try make clean; cmake . ...... 11:44 thexyz I still am nut sure what you're talking about, but whatever 11:45 thexyz *not 11:45 reactor OldCoder: o/ any news, mate? 11:46 thexyz what markov algorithm? 11:49 thexyz oh, this 11:50 thexyz then I got this right, did you write an interpreter or something? 11:51 thexyz I see 11:51 thexyz we had this too 11:53 reactor Manipulating whose strings? 11:54 Megaf proller, that made it 11:54 Megaf building 11:54 reactor bullying 11:55 Megaf I stopped, gonna get the latest git firstg 11:55 Megaf first 11:55 reactor fisting? 11:58 Megaf proller, do you have that forum topic handy? 11:58 proller to update - git pull; git submodule update --init --recursive 11:59 Megaf I want the whole thing, to download from 0 11:59 proller git clone --recursive -b next https://github.com/proller/minetest.git minetest_next 12:03 proller https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7033 12:05 Megaf proller, so, this next is supposed to be much faster 12:06 Megaf is that right? 12:06 proller for server - ye 12:06 proller for client - ~ same fps, but more view range 12:06 Megaf and is it compatible with normal minetest clients? 12:08 proller yes 12:14 proller git clone https://github.com/proller/minetest.git && cd minetest && git checkout next && git submodule update --init --recursive 12:15 OldCoder reactor, Hi! Actually, it appears that I have lost most of the group that used to be on my worlds. I have nobody to build. 12:15 OldCoder But we will see 12:15 reactor mk 12:15 OldCoder I will continue to repair the worlds and see if anybody comes 12:15 OldCoder After all the machine is 32GB RAM and Octocore. It is acceptable :P 12:16 OldCoder reactor, make any tweaks to your world and let me know 12:16 OldCoder I will review the catalog and ask questions 12:16 reactor I don't have any yet. 12:16 OldCoder That is fine 12:16 VanessaE that beats the hell out of the 1GB + 8 cores I have at my disposal at linode :) 12:16 OldCoder But you have people 12:16 OldCoder I do not 12:16 VanessaE barely... 12:16 OldCoder People trump cores 12:17 OldCoder Well, the worlds are good 12:17 VanessaE when my servers aren't busy exposing client-side bugs and causing crashes 12:17 OldCoder But the trend is up 12:17 OldCoder Software is clearly improving 12:17 OldCoder It is time to go to the office and work 12:17 OldCoder Late! 4:20am! 12:17 VanessaE have a good day 12:17 * OldCoder will connect from the office 12:18 VanessaE I'm off to bed 12:18 OldCoder So actually I will c u i a b 12:18 VanessaE (also late) 12:18 OldCoder Night and day then 12:18 OldCoder o/ 12:19 reactor ! 12:31 proller no 12:32 sfan5 hi everyone 12:37 sfan5 firefox does not play my apng at all :( 12:41 sfan5 yes these work 12:42 sfan5 try this one http://sfan5.duckdns.org/out.png 12:43 sfan5 that are the first 25 frames of the "blood lad" intro 12:43 sfan5 firefox doesn't do anything at all 12:43 sfan5 while chrome happily plays it (with the addon) 12:46 reactor Browsers suck nowadays. 12:46 sfan5 ok, back to testing how many frames I can make chrome play 12:47 sfan5 400 works 12:47 sfan5 lets try 500 12:48 sfan5 that works too 12:48 Peacock then who was phone? 13:05 iqualfragile sfan5: The requested URL /out.png was not found on this server. 13:05 sfan5 I deleted it.. one sec 13:06 sfan5 try again 13:13 iqualfragile sfan5: hmm… go report a bug i guess 13:47 thexyz Peacock: hai 13:48 thexyz Peacock: VE told me you have that branch with colored lights 13:48 thexyz sfan5: nice black image 13:48 sfan5 it's an APNG 13:48 sfan5 but doesn't work in firefox 13:48 thexyz meh 13:48 thexyz you're overengineering 13:48 thexyz just encode it to h264 13:49 Peacock https://github.com/Queatz/minetest/tree/colored_light doesn't work 13:49 sfan5 well.. 13:49 Peacock but this does, though i couldn't (on my own) find the relevant code, if it's there https://github.com/Queatz/minetest 13:49 sfan5 I wanted to make an APNG from a video, just for testing 13:50 sfan5 I used this python script https://gist.github.com/sfan5/7691388 13:52 Peacock though if jacobf by his own admission had merge problems in march 2012, not sure how useful it would be now 13:58 thexyz Peacock: thanks, I'll try it 14:00 Peacock heads up though, it wouldn't compile on my setup 14:02 troller find area with high humidity 14:02 thexyz Peacock: I can't find any colored lights here 14:02 troller 65+ 14:02 thexyz can't find related commits in the commit log either 14:02 Peacock yeah i think jacobf put them in his colored_light branch which he later deleted :/ 14:03 Peacock only reason i tried compiling his main minetest repo in case it was there 14:03 thexyz so do you actually have it? 14:03 Peacock no i never had the colored_light branch of his, VE knew that 14:04 Peacock or at least i told her, dont know if she remembered lol 14:04 thexyz alright 14:04 thexyz so maybe someone else still has it lying somewhere? 14:05 Peacock maybe one of the people in this thread https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1262 14:05 Peacock he did post the repo so maybe someone tried it 14:06 thexyz of course i will just email him 14:06 thexyz sfan5: you did post in the thread though you should have it 14:06 Peacock yeah that was gonna be my next suggestion lol you guys can see private emails 14:07 sfan5 thexyz: I always clone such stuff to /tmp 14:07 thexyz fug u -( 14:07 thexyz Peacock: it's also available in the commit log 14:08 thexyz I always hate it when the internet loses some data 14:08 Peacock i'll be damned 14:08 Peacock i never thought to check https://github.com/Queatz/ 14:08 Peacock at least we know he's still active on GH 14:08 OldCoder Is anybody able to comment on the state of git current? Should I update to 0.8.4 stable or git? 14:09 OldCoder git current looked a bit crashy the other day 14:09 Peacock 0.8.4's not out yet :P 14:09 OldCoder Actually I believe it is 14:09 sfan5 unless you need better rollback and a working line_of_sight use 0.4.8 14:09 Peacock 0.4.8 is :P 14:09 OldCoder Ah! 14:09 OldCoder <- dyslexic today 14:09 OldCoder sfan5, t y 14:10 Peacock dyslexia's more manageable than seeing anagrams everywhere lol 14:10 OldCoder john_minetest, Hi! Will you test Zegaton?! 14:10 OldCoder Peacock, we all do that 14:10 sfan5 Imagine how confused people would be if you used major.patch.minor instead of major.minor.patch 14:10 Peacock reading too fast lol 14:10 OldCoder Ha 14:10 Peacock meh i'd just use 0.48 14:10 Peacock same difference, fewer keystrokes lol 14:11 sfan5 what 'bout 048? 14:11 OldCoder 048 is great it is our fate to use 048 14:11 OldCoder Mate 14:11 Peacock would work too 14:11 Peacock but at least 0.48 implies beta 14:12 Peacock when 1.0 then you know the software is more or less "complete" 14:13 Peacock i guess im just used to VLC version numbers 14:13 thexyz > vlc 14:13 thexyz do you know why vlc logo is a cone? 14:13 thexyz > On day, people from the VIA association (VIA is a students' network association with many clubs ... amongst those is VideoLAN. More info here : http://www.via.ecp.fr ) came back drunk with a cone. They then began a cone collection (which is now quite impressive i must say). Some time later, the VideoLAN project began and they decided to use the cone as their logo. 14:15 OldCoder john_minetest, the cache solves that issue 14:15 OldCoder Does it not? 14:15 * OldCoder is simply inquiring 14:15 OldCoder I will update to 0.4.8 14:15 OldCoder Build a new cache myself 14:15 OldCoder Would be interested to know 14:15 OldCoder If the cache does address the issue 14:15 Peacock i've often woken up short a few memory engrams and plus some odd objects lol 14:16 OldCoder And hopefully httpfetch will solve the problem once and for all 14:16 OldCoder john_minetest, ? 14:16 OldCoder THere are no more mods than before 14:16 OldCoder AFAIK 14:16 thexyz what's the status of httpfetch? 14:16 OldCoder thexyz, I think planned for end of year 14:16 OldCoder john_minetest, that is not "thousands of mods" 14:16 OldCoder :-) 14:16 OldCoder That is *one* mod 14:17 OldCoder And it is important to the future of the project I think 14:17 OldCoder Yes 14:17 OldCoder See notes above; "thousands of mods" and media for one mod are separate issues. Media is addressed by cache and httpfetch. 14:17 * OldCoder is not arguing; simply thinking about this 14:17 thexyz OldCoder: I'm more interested in whether it works now 14:17 OldCoder thexyz, Nope 14:17 OldCoder thexyz, Wait 14:17 thexyz I see 14:18 OldCoder thexyz, if you apply 14:18 OldCoder a client-side patch 14:18 OldCoder It appears to work fine 14:18 OldCoder Speeds things up 14:18 OldCoder john_minetest, Hm? Sorry, what won't connect? Trying now? 14:18 thexyz so it actually does work 14:18 thexyz just not merged 14:18 OldCoder thexyz, I tested it weeks ago 14:18 OldCoder john_minetest, I will look in a few minutes 14:19 OldCoder thexyz, I am told that there are pieces they wish to add on the server side 14:19 OldCoder But I would like to see the client side merged now 14:19 OldCoder So that I can make users like john_minetest happier 14:19 OldCoder thexyz, One issue is that some type of fixes that Sapier is working on 14:19 OldCoder conflict with the server side parts of httpfetch. But I believe that a subset of httpfetch could be merged soon. 14:19 OldCoder Done 14:19 OldCoder 14:20 OldCoder thexyz, Basically curl fails now. It does not pull all textures. Ask Vanessa. 14:20 OldCoder The client side patch seemed to fix this 14:20 OldCoder john_minetest, Very well! But this is not 0.4.8 yet; I need to update and rebuild the cache for you 14:22 OldCoder john_minetest, anyway I trust we are clear; yes, the music issue should be addressed. I favor this approach: (a) httpfetch, (b) eventually TCP instead of UDP, (c) client-side checkbox to turn off sound, (d) eventually merge music into game. Why not use cache today? 14:23 Peacock if you're gonna merge music you need to increas the timeouts when users join a server so they can dl the first time 14:23 OldCoder john_minetest, I will turn off music for Zegaton at any rte 14:23 OldCoder john_minetest, see notes above; I believe I agree 14:24 OldCoder Music should be merged 14:24 OldCoder But they have enough to deal with for the moment 14:24 OldCoder Peacock, Yes 14:24 Peacock tho. personally i think the more you play the more annoying the music gets, unless you have lots of variety and change them regularly 14:24 OldCoder Peacock, I agree with that too. But one step at a time. 14:24 OldCoder john_minetest, See note above. I will turn it off permanently as this is your world. 14:24 OldCoder Isn't Zeg9 around still? I rarely see him 14:25 Peacock i also think midi might be cool, kindof arcade and low tech, seems like a fit for voxely worlds 14:25 OldCoder Peacock, Agreed again! 14:25 OldCoder Peacock, care to work on a MIDI Mod? 14:25 Peacock midi mod's not the problem, can the engine play them? 14:25 OldCoder And that would solve the large data problem! 14:25 OldCoder Peacock, I don't know but I am sure could be added 14:26 OldCoder VanessaE, how about MIDI for Minetest? 14:26 OldCoder i also think midi might be cool, kindof arcade and low tech, seems like a fit for voxely worlds 14:26 OldCoder john_minetest, I am looking for 0.4.8 git link... do you have it? 14:26 OldCoder I will update the server now 14:26 OldCoder And turn off Ambient simultaneously for you 14:27 OldCoder No 14:27 OldCoder That will pull git current right? 14:27 OldCoder One of the others gave me the "stable" link; checking logs now 14:28 OldCoder Hmm 14:28 * OldCoder looks 14:28 OldCoder Ah 14:28 OldCoder It is git checkout afterward... 14:28 OldCoder git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git whatever && cd whatever && git checkout stable-0.4 14:28 OldCoder Like that, right? 14:29 * OldCoder proceeds 14:30 thexyz everything? 14:30 thexyz how did you like that linux release which borked your drive? 14:30 thexyz oh 14:30 thexyz that's not really everything though 14:31 thexyz it'd be fun to have a distro which always uses latest-commit software version 14:31 thexyz if it builds, of course 14:31 thexyz "so bleeding edge it hurts" 14:32 Peacock often it builds, whether you can update successfully or not, thats another thing 14:32 thexyz I can't make a distro 14:32 thexyz Peacock: of course! that's the fun part 14:32 thexyz I remember some discussion where some arch maintainer said that cron scripts build packages for him 14:33 thexyz cool, eh? 14:33 Peacock Children of the Cron 14:33 thexyz it was like "i'll be away for a while but that's no problem, you still get package updates" 14:33 OldCoder thexyz, You can make a distro 14:33 Peacock i hear remastersys is looking for a maintainer 14:33 thexyz OldCoder: I probably can but for now I'm not willing to 14:33 OldCoder gentoo 14:33 thexyz yes, I use it 14:33 OldCoder thexyz, your own distro by default 14:33 thexyz and it seems I suck at making distros 14:34 OldCoder Bonsai Kitten always says just use overlays to Gentoo 14:34 OldCoder Cloned 0.4.8 stable 14:35 OldCoder ? 14:35 OldCoder john_minetest, I am shutting down my worlds to rebuild. Zegaton will return in a bit with 0.4.8. 14:37 thexyz what's the size? 14:38 OldCoder john_minetest, sure... 14:38 OldCoder Odd; I can't think of the name 14:38 OldCoder Starts with an s 14:38 OldCoder SendSpace 14:38 OldCoder Use them 14:38 OldCoder No need to register; they provide delete links 14:38 thexyz john_minetest: pomf.se 14:39 OldCoder Let's see how fast an octocore can compile Minetest 14:40 OldCoder Is 64 seconds good? 14:41 thexyz OldCoder: server only or both? 14:41 thexyz john_minetest: so much bloat 14:41 OldCoder thexyz, I think I just compiled the server 14:42 thexyz alright, let's see 14:43 thexyz real 0m31.812s 14:43 thexyz I got swapp'd 14:43 OldCoder thexyz, Interesting; why were you twice as fast as me? 14:43 OldCoder Waut 14:43 OldCoder Wait 14:43 thexyz because running two VMs and compiling Minetest with -j10 is probably not a good idea 14:43 OldCoder I built client too 14:43 thexyz okay 14:44 OldCoder I used -j8 14:44 thexyz oh, I guess I should set it to twice number the threads? 14:45 OldCoder I will try -j16 14:45 OldCoder I am also using -O2 14:45 OldCoder Hmm but not client after all 14:46 thexyz both server and client take 1m7.085s 14:46 OldCoder Doesn't seem to be using all the cores 14:46 thexyz 8 gb of ram is not enough those days it seems 14:47 OldCoder 640KB is enough! :P 14:47 thexyz said no one ever 14:48 OldCoder yes 14:49 thexyz A daily reminder that you should be buying LTC right now. 14:49 OldCoder john_minetest, some people say double # of cores 14:49 OldCoder LTC? 14:49 thexyz litecoin 14:49 OldCoder Ah 14:49 OldCoder More bubbles 14:49 OldCoder Should I bother trying to mine bitcoins? And can litecoins be mined? 14:50 thexyz no, unless you have a farm of ASICs 14:50 Peacock i just read a forbes piece that says the rise in btc value might have something to do with the cryptolocker malware that demands ransom in bitcoins to decrypt victim's files :/ 14:50 OldCoder thexyz, john_minetest even with -j16 it takes me 66 seconds real time to compile the server alone. Is this substandard? 14:50 thexyz Peacock: oh that's nice 14:50 thexyz thanks to kind Windows users many people got rich 14:51 OldCoder reactor, are you around? 14:51 thexyz running whatever shit .exe they get 14:51 reactor I am. 14:51 Peacock here it is http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2013/11/27/cryptolocker-thieves-likely-making-millions-as-bitcoin-breaks-1000/ 14:51 Peacock well that's what you get for opening random attachments 14:51 thexyz indeed 14:51 Peacock a police dept. in the US even admitted to paying off the ransom in BTC 14:51 Peacock 2K$ 14:51 thexyz and for Windows that's even worse because there's no app store of any kind 14:52 thexyz repository 14:52 thexyz call it whatever you want 14:52 thexyz and most of time on Windows you download .exe files without signatures over a plain http 14:52 Peacock i guess the closest thing would be steam (but just for games) 14:53 OldCoder reactor, PM thanks 14:53 reactor ? 14:53 OldCoder reactor, Please PM 14:53 reactor There. 14:54 MinetestBot EvergreenTree: stainless steel complete, reactor placed, oh, and we need some hv cables 14:54 MinetestBot john_minetest: I'll pass that on when Zeg9 is around 14:55 EvergreenTree A little late, already found out. :P 14:56 thexyz http://cachemonet.com/ (sound) 14:57 reactor EvergreenTree: ?! 14:57 EvergreenTree reactor, sorry, just talking about VanessaE's survival server 14:58 reactor Mk. 15:00 OldCoder john_minetest, I will be working on updates for a bit. Preparing new world setup scripts. 15:00 OldCoder Actually I will rest briefly first 15:02 BlockMen hi everyone 15:06 EvergreenTree reactor, there are nuclear reactors in technic 15:06 reactor I know. 15:07 reactor I forgot to say "hello". 15:07 reactor So, hi, EvergreenTree! 15:07 EvergreenTree Hi reactor 15:12 OldCoder john_minetest, see above 15:12 OldCoder I have decided to redo my scripts and make everything tidy 15:13 OldCoder Zegaton will be one of the first worlds in the new framework 15:13 OldCoder Possibly an hour or two 15:13 OldCoder john_minetest, I will be very grateful if you are able to test 15:27 OldCoder k 15:27 OldCoder Working on scripts now 15:44 reactor john_minetest: lol 15:44 reactor I don't agree with the one about country music, though :D 15:51 reactor Get your motor running, head out on the highway. Looking for adventure, and whatever comes our way! 15:57 fmcd am i better off on 32bit or 64bit linux for minetest 15:57 Jordach 64 15:58 Calinou 64 15:58 Peacock 128 15:58 Calinou 16777216 15:58 Exio4 256, 512, 1024 15:58 Peacock i win, bitches 15:58 Exio4 ew 15:58 Exio4 Calinou: 1267650600228229401496703205376 15:58 Exio4 :D 15:58 Exio4 1024^10 15:58 reactor Overflow. 15:58 fmcd oh i was just gonna split the difference and go with 48 15:59 Peacock need anymore intelligent advice? :P 15:59 Exio4 haha 15:59 fmcd but really does it actually run faster on 64 bit linux? 15:59 Peacock only if you have a 64 bit processor 15:59 fmcd yeah its a 64 bitamd 15:59 fmcd turion x2 or something 16:00 reactor MKay. 16:00 reactor It should work. 16:00 fmcd just be concerned if there was libs that were only available in 32 16:00 fmcd that were being wrapped 16:01 Calinou fmcd, it can run a bit faster like most software 16:01 Calinou I'd still do it because it is just more modern, and your CPU lets you do it 16:01 fmcd i'll give it a go 16:01 Exio4 the run faster thing is because 64 bit means sse2 enabled and other optimization shit by default 16:02 reactor You can directly adderss more memory with 64 bit. 16:02 fmcd yeah.. games can probably take advantage of htat stuff more than most 16:02 reactor That's the only advantage that I see. 16:02 Exio4 also, luajit :P 16:02 fmcd i presume 64 bit instruction set can move stuff faster 16:02 reactor I run a 64 bit OS here. 16:04 OldCoder john_minetest, It will take days to redo my scripts. So I've restarted the existing worlds but turned off Ambience for Zegaton. 16:04 Peacock if ya'll want a good laugh http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/28/1439216/free-software-foundation-announces-2013-holiday-giving-guide 16:05 Peacock (free pony if you figure out which comments' mine ) :P 16:05 Jordach merry fucking christmas 16:13 fmcd The 2013 MY-Escape with the 1.6-liter engine has a potential for localized overheating of the engine cylinder head. The head could crack, which would leak oil, which could cause a fire. 16:16 OldCoder anunakki, Hi 16:23 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Don't use variable length arrays ff25218374 2013-11-28T08:22:41-08:00 http://git.io/pW8h8Q 16:48 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 16:49 OldCoder john_minetest, ambience should be disabled; checking 16:49 OldCoder Pilzello 16:49 OldCoder john_minetest, network issue? 16:50 OldCoder john_minetest, ambience confirmed off 16:51 OldCoder john_minetest, Where is ShadowNinja server? 16:51 OldCoder john_minetest, All I can tell you is that my disk and network are very very fast 16:51 OldCoder And that the despised :P mod is disabled 16:51 OldCoder If anybody in the U.S. is willing to connect that may provide more information 16:51 OldCoder john_minetest, yes but you are overseas 16:52 OldCoder Possibly; find out sometime where ShadowNinja is 16:52 OldCoder I regret any issues and I will be running Euroservers again 16:52 OldCoder But need to nail this down 16:53 ShadowNinja The server is in New York. 16:53 OldCoder ShadowNinja, Interesting. Mine is also East Coast. 16:53 OldCoder ShadowNinja, willing to try to connect to Zegaton? 16:59 Peacock i saw the huge snowbanks outside so i implemented my contingency plan: i went to the off-license 17:08 Jordach +1 17:13 Peacock phase 1 of 12 of my plan complete XD 17:13 Peacock 'muricans? ping VE 17:13 PilzAdam Peacock, arent you american? 17:13 Peacock how many muricans speak a 2nd language? 17:13 Peacock french canadian :P 17:14 PilzAdam Canada is in (North) America 17:14 Peacock well it's generally taken for granted that american means USA citizen, 17:14 Peacock USAian just sounds like asian otherwise 17:14 PilzAdam he would have said US american if he meant that 17:14 Peacock naw 17:15 Peacock american = US, North American = US,CAN 17:15 Peacock at least thats the distinction we use here 17:16 Peacock hell i'm not even sure americans know canada is in north america lol 17:16 PilzAdam canada is the mexiko on the other side 17:17 Peacock yeah except without the cartels, corrupt police and a much higher standard of living lol 17:17 Peacock though we get crooked politicians instead and tons of snow 17:19 Peacock though crooked politicians seem to be a feature anywhere there's a lot of tax dollars to spend... 17:21 Peacock fool, thanksgiving was nearly two months ago :P 17:22 EvergreenTree !title 17:22 MinetestBot EvergreenTree: Thanksgiving Etiquette - YouTube 17:24 Peacock and ours was sometime in october 17:24 Peacock i forget which date lol 17:25 Peacock im also bad with remembering easter, my birthday (or anyone elses) 17:26 Peacock and for the americans it's black friday, we have black history month in february, and the dutch have zwarte piet (sp?) 17:28 Peacock and it has different names all over the place 17:28 Peacock including saint nich himself 17:28 Peacock naw, you forget chinese new year :P 17:29 Peacock didn't new year used to be april 1st on... uhm, julian calendar? 17:29 Peacock im glad some people still enjoy the holidays lol 17:30 Peacock i have family spread over north, central and south america 17:30 Peacock and while the wife's family is concentrated in the same area, there's a whole fucking lot more of em to visit lol 17:32 PilzAdam I am studying 10km away from home 17:33 Peacock thats not too bad, as a kid we did Toronto - Quebec (about 800km) 17:33 NakedFury 76.0 km from home 17:33 NakedFury a 58 minute drive 17:33 Peacock my sister, brother in law and niece are 3900km away lol 17:34 NakedFury that is far 17:34 Peacock and i have no effing clue how far puerto vallarta and lima are from here lol 17:34 Peacock but its probably alot more lol 17:35 Peacock yep 17:35 NakedFury well google "distance from X(your town or country to lima" 17:35 Peacock just did 17:35 Peacock "complicated... You might even have to swim. May we suggest you fly instead?" 17:35 Peacock thats what travel math told me lol 17:36 Peacock montreal - lima = 6400km 17:36 PilzAdam NakedFury, http://xkcd.com/859/ 17:37 NakedFury you want me to close it? 17:37 PilzAdam yes please 17:37 NakedFury well google "distance from X(your town or country) to lima" 17:38 Peacock ? just said, lol 6400km 17:38 NakedFury I know but I missed a ) to close a statement and PilzAdam was gonna have to live with that forever so I had to close it 17:39 PilzAdam now everything is balanced again :-) 17:39 Peacock oh lol didn't notice :P 17:39 NakedFury also yesterday night someone was looking for you because they think you have the source code for colored lights 17:40 NakedFury thexyz I think 17:40 Peacock yeah xyz i pointed him to queatz's github but his code is gone 17:40 Peacock so i think he emailed him 17:40 Peacock who knows, if the guy archives shit like i do he's probably got a few folders worth of backups lol 17:41 Peacock (hopefully he labels them better than i do lol) 17:41 NakedFury and minetest maybe got a new user interested in modding 17:41 Peacock well speaking of modders, what exactly happened to dan ducombe? 17:41 Peacock was it him that posted the cracked APK? 17:42 NakedFury no idea 17:42 PilzAdam Peacock, no 17:42 NakedFury minetest seems to attract the good and the bad. sadly the bad are pretty emotionaly unstable 17:42 thexyz yes indeed i did 17:42 thexyz Peacock: it was mrtux and I've already unbanned him because this stuff's got removed from the play store 17:43 Peacock mrtux != novatux? 17:43 thexyz dunno 17:43 Peacock yeah i noticed both the thread and app are gone lol 17:43 Peacock that escalated quickly lol 17:45 Peacock nakedfury the creative usually are emotionally unstable 17:45 Peacock but i still dont get what dan did then to get himself banned 17:45 PilzAdam dan is banned? 17:45 Peacock seems so https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=5529 17:46 Peacock though all his threads seem intact and theres nothing in his post history to suggest a reason :/ 17:50 FreeFull I know there was a person who asked to be banned. I'm not sure who that was though 17:50 Jordach FreeFull, that same person banned me from his server for criticising me 17:50 Jordach s/me/him 17:51 Peacock well if i criticized myself publicly id ban myself to the nearest sanitarium as well :P 17:52 Peacock i dont quite get though why people have to ask to be banned, it's like their addicted 17:52 Jordach one more block and they just can't stop 17:54 Peacock well in most cases it just amounts to a break anyhow so they might as well just take a break lol (cornernote's back) 17:54 Peacock constantly playing/modding the same game can drive anyone nuts otherwise 17:55 NakedFury they can take a break the problem is what they do just before going on break 17:55 Peacock well yeah usually it's what happens that makes them realize they need a break lol 17:56 Peacock god knows in 3 years ive taken 3 breaks of several months off, usually the summers so i can be outdoors and take in the sun on the beach 17:58 rubenwardy Hi all 17:59 NakedFury hi 18:00 Peacock howdy reubensandwich XD 18:01 Peacock http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Corn_beef_Reuben_sandwich.jpg 18:01 MinetestBot Zeg9: Come here more often. 18:02 Jordach john_minetest, i got a nuclear reactor active at ve-survival 18:02 Peacock oh yeah, well i got warp cores, top that :P 18:03 Jordach Peacock, you used /giveme mine's legit 18:03 OldCoder Zeg9, Hi! 18:03 Zeg9 Hello! 18:03 OldCoder Zeg9, I wish to proceed with Zegaton and making sure my copies of your mods are updated 18:03 Peacock well of course i hardly ever write crafts 18:03 Peacock i need to do those before putting up a server 18:03 OldCoder Zeg9, I do not Skype; may we talk here occasionally? 18:03 Zeg9 of course 18:03 Zeg9 but I don't have much time tonight 18:06 Peacock though my space game crafts should be easier, 5x5 grid 18:06 OldCoder Zeg9, No need tonight 18:06 OldCoder Zeg9, I simply wish to stay in touch and debug the worlds 18:08 rubenwardy Peacock, I love corned beef 18:09 rubenwardy Sorry for delayed reply, "reubensandwich" is not on my highlight list 18:09 Peacock corned beef and smoked meat :-) 18:15 Peacock though that picture i posted looks like a heart attack and a half 18:16 thexyz look at this ripoff https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7864 18:17 NakedFury is this: It aims to make the game fun while trading off some bits of perfectionism. a criticism from some of minetest devs? 18:17 thexyz of course it's not 18:17 thexyz how dare you to think that 18:17 Jordach baww, someone bored with their tiny shoes 18:19 rubenwardy are you really an admin on there? 18:19 thexyz yes I am 18:20 thexyz you didn't specify, where, but I am on both 18:20 rubenwardy Then why are you saying it is a rip off? 18:20 thexyz it's a joke 18:20 thexyz I do that sometimes 18:21 rubenwardy oh ok 18:21 PilzAdam thexyz, how about moving that to "Minetest related projects"? 18:21 rubenwardy I was thinking that 18:22 rubenwardy thexyz: pm 18:26 Peacock was that colored light stuff in relation to MT or FM? 18:27 thexyz well, it's obvious that it can't get into MT 18:27 Peacock thats what VE and I thought too lol 18:29 Peacock though honestly i can understand why HW lighting would have been better for that, lighting in general needs alot of work 18:30 NakedFury lightning alone would make a x.x.1+ version 18:30 Peacock well anyone who saw the trouble me and paramat were having with asteroid shadows would know lol 18:32 Peacock so yeah, sweet, we'll have MT, FM, and possibly MT2 if that rewrite idea goes ahead :-) 18:36 FreeFull What would the rewrite do? 18:36 FreeFull And what's FM? 18:36 Peacock freeminer = FM 18:37 Peacock not sure what the rewrite would do, all i know is c55 wants to overhaul the present codebase 18:37 FreeFull freeminer.net? 18:38 troller http://freeminer.org/ 18:39 FreeFull Ok, seems there are two freeminers 18:39 Peacock under API changes one thing seems fuzzy: dont abm's already support a neighbors param, or is neighbor some sort of conditional true/false function in FM? 18:40 PilzAdam Peacock, the rewrite from c55 would be more of a private project 18:40 FreeFull None of the differences between freeminer and minetest are listed on the website 18:41 Peacock well in any case concurrent development of multiple engines would probably bring alot more features and testing of said features :-) 18:41 troller Peacock, its neighbor passed to action() 18:41 Peacock Freefull http://forum.freeminer.org/threads/freeminer-0-4-8-0.3/ 18:43 Peacock the only thing that might be tricky is supporting the same mod across different engines 18:43 Peacock tho isn't there some sort of get version function? 18:49 thexyz and there shouldn't be 18:49 thexyz there should be a list of features the engine supports 18:51 Peacock well the abms are slightly different, so say someone wanted to write a mod for both engines, could you use something like if get_version() == 'freeminer0.xx' then abm elseif get_version() == 'minetest0.xx' then ... 18:52 rubenwardy For api features you can do "if minetest.add_particle_spawner" 18:52 rubenwardy There is no need to get game engine 18:52 rubenwardy they have the same api 18:52 Peacock might be easier to write seperate mods in that case rather than check if each function works 18:52 Peacock yeah though i imagine with time that'll change? 18:53 Peacock unless one of the two implements all of the others' changes 18:54 Peacock i may just be tired too and not getting it lol been up since 23hrs EST (yesterday) 18:54 Peacock lol 18:54 Peacock i have a pretty good idea, read the dev logs :P 18:55 PilzAdam "since 23hrs EST (yesterday)" 18:55 PilzAdam why do you have to add a timezone when talking about a duration? 18:55 thexyz john_minetest: exactly 18:55 Peacock because you're in a different timezone :P 18:55 Peacock as are most here 18:55 PilzAdam but 23 hours here are also 23 in america 18:55 Peacock well america has different timezones 18:56 Peacock people on the east coast hit the sack while people on the west coast are having dinner 18:56 PilzAdam and they are also 23 hours in other galaxies 18:56 Peacock allright let me put it another way, been up all night and half the day :P 18:56 PilzAdam you only need to add a note about the timezone when talking about a specific point in time, not when talking about duration 18:57 Peacock well thats what i said? i woke up at 23hrs EST 18:57 PilzAdam you mean 23:OO ? 18:57 Peacock yeah 2300 or 11pm 18:57 PilzAdam well you used a kinda odd format 18:58 Peacock thats the fatigue part lol 18:58 Peacock got this giant hole in my bathroom ceiling and the guy's supposed to come one of these days to fix it 18:59 Peacock (spent all of last week not sleeping either waiting for the plumber to come twice and fix the leak) 19:02 thexyz john_minetest: that's mostly related to merging thinks and communicating about things 19:03 NakedFury diagonal rails one 19:04 thexyz s/thinks/things 19:10 thexyz john_minetest: what stuff? 19:13 Peacock well i'd guess colored lights among others, though im curious to see how you'll finally decide to store the rgb values 19:16 thexyz indeed 19:16 thexyz though I have a little idea on what you're talking about since I haven't seen the source 19:20 thexyz what shaders? 19:21 ruskie because sometime that doesn't work well 19:21 Peacock i doubt its that simple 19:22 ruskie nothing wrong with that 19:22 Peacock what's wrong with forks? isn't that part of the point of open source? 19:22 ruskie competition, different things to try out, etc... 19:22 ruskie it is forked thousands of times 19:22 thexyz john_minetest: what forks are there? 19:23 thexyz john_minetest: also IIRC RBA's shaders are still in dev 19:23 Peacock well, look at it another, with minetest alone mod development is starting to die down, or has been for awhile, different engines might bring new features into the fold 19:23 Peacock *another way 19:23 ruskie each bloody embedded manufacturer has a atleast a dozen forks of it 19:23 Peacock ruskie seriously, to say nothing of the # of linux distros lol 19:23 ruskie that's a different pot 19:24 ruskie john_minetest, sure it should it's the nature of development 19:24 ruskie you can try out stuff in forks and good stiuff can trickel back into main while the rest dies off 19:24 Peacock well i see another way, mt up until 0.3 or 0.4 was mostly done by two guys, now we got over half a dozen devs who can't always agree, i dont see forks as bad in that case 19:25 ruskie hell linux dev is basically fork of a fork of a fork 19:25 thexyz john_minetest: if you think I haven't tried talking about the need of communication you're a bit wrong 19:25 ruskie each dev has their own fork until their patches hit linus 19:25 thexyz john_minetest: and classic is completely different since it's 0.3-fork 19:26 * VanessaE peeks in 19:26 VanessaE hi 19:26 Peacock (and technically classic is game not engine) 19:26 thexyz john_minetest: maybe 19:26 thexyz we'll see 19:26 troller john_minetest, proller's stuff moved to freeminer 19:26 * FreeFull remembers playing 0.3 on c55's server, with rats and DMs 19:27 thexyz john_minetest: not fast enough means one or two years or so 19:27 thexyz this is unacceptable 19:27 PilzAdam VanessaE, do you know what made Dan ragequit? 19:28 thexyz john_minetest: yes, sorry, but just talking here is pointless; check minetest-dev logs 19:28 Vazon hello Everyone 19:28 thexyz there's a reason i've decided to support this instead of continuing fighting with other devs 19:28 thexyz if you think that's just for shits and giggles then you're wrong 19:29 thexyz no, I don't really want to continue this, sorry 19:29 VanessaE PilzAdam: he's an impatient 14-year-old kid (or 16?) who can't deal with the idea that he should fix his code, or roll back when something breaks. 19:29 Vazon anyone now how to get it where on a server you can get it where your players can see the texture pack you are useing? 19:29 VanessaE he ragequit because he got banned from the forum 19:30 thexyz john_minetest: okay, that's good because we won't 19:30 PilzAdam I thought he was banned because he raqequited the forums (i.e. blanking posts) 19:30 Vazon who are we talking about Dan? 19:30 VanessaE PilzAdam: he deleted the one post for the one broken mod, in defiance of the rules and after being warned twice. that delete is what got him banned, and what prompted him to delete his mods and ragequit entirely. 19:31 rubenwardy Minetest has 273 forks 19:31 VanessaE VanessaE: pilzadam and I are yeah 19:31 NakedFury how could he delete his posts after being banned? 19:31 Vazon lol im invisable 19:32 VanessaE NakedFury: he deleted his mods at their source - e.g. dropbox, github repos 19:32 rubenwardy They are still forks 19:32 NakedFury ohh 19:33 VanessaE obviously he couldn't delete the posts....and his attempt failed, thanks to sfan5, topywo, and myself :) 19:33 VanessaE afaik all of his mods are preserved. 19:33 NakedFury nice 19:34 Vazon So Dan ragequit becuase he was asked to fix a problem in his coding??? 19:34 VanessaE yup 19:34 VanessaE I told him fix it or just roll back what broke it 19:34 VanessaE instead he opted to get childish and delete it 19:34 Vazon well that not very smart there is alway room for improvement 19:36 Vazon i love improving my things broken or not... he should have just fixed it and everyone would have been fine and dandy 19:36 Vazon everything* 19:36 PilzAdam so just for the record: VanessaE made Dan ragequit :-p 19:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: nope. 19:37 VanessaE dan made his own choices, and ultimately sfan5 made him quit. 19:37 Vazon hmm now they target each other lol let me get a bag of popcorn and sit back watch how this plays out 19:37 PilzAdam who do you want to bully out next? me? :-p 19:38 VanessaE not funny, PilzAdam 19:38 PilzAdam I tried... 19:38 Vazon ...it looks like hes laughing VanessaE XD 19:39 rubenwardy VanessaE: stop-irc-bullying.eu/stop 19:39 rubenwardy http://stop-irc-bullying.eu/stop 19:40 Vazon lol ruben 19:40 PilzAdam rubenwardy, you are doing it wrong 19:40 PilzAdam rubenwardy, I feel offended by your recent action(s). Please read http://stop-irc-bullying.eu/stop 19:40 Vazon XD poor VanessaE 19:40 VanessaE blah 19:42 rubenwardy PotatOS! 19:43 Vazon ...well isnt that random 19:43 rubenwardy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXUktRbAO34 19:43 rubenwardy Weird video 19:44 Peacock well, on the modding front, i think you should just all make it clear that people dont actually own their own mods once they're posted, that would save alot of headaches 19:44 BlockMen bye 19:45 PilzAdam Peacock, if they dont read the licences they publish it under then its their problem... 19:45 thexyz » You should avoid removing content posted by yourself if people rely on it (releases, etc.). 19:45 Peacock (though thats also the reason i proposed free and nonfree mod boards instead of release and general, which seems more vague to me) 19:46 Peacock pilzadam, yeah they dont read the license, but they're also told to chose one from a pre-selected list when in reality theres no obligation to chose one, that could use more clarification 19:47 PilzAdam they are not told to choose a free license 19:47 rubenwardy I would not post mods on the forum if I would not own them. 19:48 Vazon hmm still need hel pwit hmy texture problem 19:48 PilzAdam Vazon, you need more help with your typing 19:49 Vazon sorry i type fast.... i will slow down a bit :P 19:54 Peacock pa i have to disagree, ive seen on more than one occasion modders told they have to chose a license 19:55 PilzAdam only if they use code licensed under SA 19:55 Peacock hell even that annoying forum bot tells people they need to specify a license 19:56 thexyz john_minetest: have you understood it yet? 19:56 Sokomine at least if it's supposed to get into the mod releases forum. perhaps that's a precaution against later removal of the mod 19:57 NakedFury actually to post on release mods they have to post license otheriwse mods will not move them\ 19:57 Peacock though i loathe to get into it again, if mods are game content, creative content, then even RMS agrees creative works are different than pure software 19:57 PilzAdam yes, since we dont want to support non-free software 19:57 * Sokomine finds the bot a bit annoying as well :) (hopefully it can be used to feed the mmdb) 19:57 Peacock well thats quite different than telling people they *have* to chose a license 19:58 VanessaE Peacock: it's simple: pick a license without any "no-derivs" clause or gtfo 19:59 Peacock well that's not what you tell new modders 19:59 Peacock so dont be surprised when they ragequit 19:59 Sokomine completely without a liscence, it might be problematic using the mod on a server. for singleplayer, that's hardly going to matter 19:59 VanessaE um 19:59 VanessaE dan ragequit because he was childish 19:59 PilzAdam "Any mod that disallows derivatives cannot be published on this forum." – https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1271 << Peacock 19:59 PilzAdam we do tell it newbies 20:00 Peacock thats rich coming from c55, when i complained about my own mods being derived in such a short period, he's the one who told me to pick a new license lol 20:01 VanessaE "this forum" means "this forum section" 20:01 VanessaE i.e. Mod Release 20:01 Sokomine oh, no, dan didn't quit due to liscence problems. he's young. young people sometimes behave childish (especially if they're actually children/youths) 20:01 JackGruff I find it disappointing that the stock textures are clones of MC. 20:01 Peacock soko he got banned for pulling his own shit, which IMO, he had every right to do 20:01 VanessaE JackGruff: they are not. 20:02 Sokomine hmm, you missed what happened in chat, peacock 20:02 JackGruff VanessaE, they are. 20:02 VanessaE JackGruff: no, they are not. 20:02 Peacock i missed that particular chat yes, but i've seen it a dozen times with different peopel by now 20:02 PilzAdam Peacock, he has, but we have the right to ban him and republish his mods 20:02 JackGruff the game looks almost identical from the surface 20:02 VanessaE cisoun: care to comment on that? 20:03 JackGruff im not saying MC's textures were copied directly, just that the style is the same 20:03 Peacock pa yeah, and you see whats that done to modding in the last two years, it's a shell of what it was when i joined 20:03 VanessaE Peacock: what he does not have the right to do IS BLANK POSTS IN VIOLATION OF A WARNING FROM A MODERATOR 20:03 JackGruff especially soil/grass 20:03 PilzAdam Peacock, I wasnt here 2 yeaers ago 20:03 Peacock i was 20:04 Peacock and there were fewer rules, more creativity and more mods 20:04 PilzAdam VanessaE.setMode(fullCapsRage); 20:04 VanessaE JackGruff: maybe the minimal textures are, but not the minetest_game ones.... besides, there's not much you can do in 16px :P 20:04 Sokomine form the surface...perhaps. but even if you where to use a texturepack with mc textures, it'd still look and feel slightly diffrent. play some time and see for yourshelf 20:04 PilzAdam Peacock, "fewer rules"? 20:04 Peacock compared to now? definately 20:05 Peacock i dont even post in the current environment, just not worth it for me 20:05 PilzAdam what rules were added? 20:05 VanessaE there are fr more mods now than when you joined, peacock, and a lot of creativity 20:05 Peacock more derivs maybe, but less creativity, and im not the first to point out that alot of talented modders have called it quits 20:06 VanessaE the only rules that were added regarded getting your mods published in the Mod Releases section, and a line in the Rules page about graphcial smileys and animated avatars. 20:06 VanessaE graphical* 20:06 sfan5 VanessaE: I did? 20:07 VanessaE sfan5: your (rightfully instituted) ban is what sent him off the deep end 20:08 sfan5 ah 20:08 VanessaE but it's also what saved all that forum content 20:08 VanessaE topywo and I caught all his mods and kept them from disappearing 20:09 Peacock well the way i see it, a few lazy people are determined to hold onto the fruits of other people's labour while simultaneously driving them insane, and they know they can get away with it because of the licenses they tell people they have to use 20:10 VanessaE Peacock: no one says you have to use a specific license! 20:10 VanessaE you have to use ANY license that has no "no-derivs" clauses 20:10 VanessaE that's it 20:10 VanessaE make up your own license if you want 20:10 Peacock you dont have to issue any license if you want 20:10 VanessaE as long as you don't try to prevent others from forking 20:10 Peacock no license is a plain copyright 20:11 VanessaE wrong. 20:11 VanessaE no license is no license 20:11 VanessaE copyright is copyright 20:11 VanessaE the two are orthogonal 20:11 Peacock you see what i don't get is this: c55 chose of his own free will to opensource minetest, but you would deny this choice to everyone writing mods, why? 20:11 PilzAdam no license means nobody is allowed to run the mod 20:11 Sokomine urgs. it might get really nasty there. don't know what "no liscence specified" will really mean. most likely: money for lawyers who love debating about such things... 20:11 JackGruff what is about minetest that attracts so much bitching? 20:11 PilzAdam Peacock, Minetest is not only open source, its free software 20:12 VanessaE Peacock: no one is denying you the right to close-source your mods you twit 20:12 VanessaE just don't expect them to get moved to Mod Releases. 20:12 Peacock quite simply the problem here is mods are treated as code uniquely and not creative content, and creative people would beg to differ 20:12 VanessaE publish them in Modding General 20:13 Calinou woah VanessaE, no need to call each other twits. 20:13 Sokomine close-source won't work with mt :-) 20:13 Calinou Sokomine, obfuscated code 20:13 thexyz luac 20:13 Calinou if you do that, and forbid it from redistribution and such it's effectively proprietary 20:13 Peacock well if people are blanking their posts or removing the source files, i have to wonder if they really knew what their choices were, and who informed them 20:13 thexyz or just forbid them from redistribution 20:13 PilzAdam Peacock, the thing is that we are a free software community, and we dont like non-free software; thats why we dont support it 20:13 VanessaE Peacock: it's not up to us to teach other people how to read. 20:14 Peacock well in that case you're mixing politics with coding, and i'm only interested in coding 20:14 PilzAdam and if people choose to make their work free, then they have to live with the consquences 20:15 Sokomine seems peacock wants to say that some people did not understand the implications 20:15 PilzAdam Peacock, if you are only interested in coding, then why do you even publish your mods? 20:15 thexyz what a nice talk 20:15 Peacock have i published anything recently? 20:16 Peacock tho i'd point out im not the one who quit here recently, dan is, but the story is always the same 20:16 VanessaE Peacock: dan quit because he couldn 20:16 Peacock because he's childish i know, the same reason is given every time 20:17 VanessaE couldn't be bothered to fix his code or roll back the last bug he caused/added 20:17 Peacock well what business is that of yours? 20:17 VanessaE *looks at fingernails, ponders trimming* 20:17 Peacock it's his mods, he can fix or not fix if he wants 20:17 Sokomine and it may be a very emotional problem...if you where to ask a new modder who just started and is happy to get his first mod released, you'd probably get wtfpl as a liscence. later, they get to know other people, get involved - and some of them get disappointed/hurt/bored - and then blank their posts and change their mind at that moment. some weeks later, they may no longer care 20:17 VanessaE Peacock: because I run a server that HE DEMANDED UPDATES ON. 20:17 VanessaE I run the primary server he used for developing the Realtest game. 20:18 Peacock well, just as much as it's his choice to update his mods, it's your choice to update your server, i don't see the conflict 20:18 VanessaE he broke his currency mod by not properly vetting some change Nore gave him, and then didn't want to back that change out propery. 20:18 VanessaE properly* 20:18 Peacock so couldn't you rollback from an older version? 20:18 Sokomine vanessa runs a world for dan, so it's her business (actually 2 worlds) 20:18 VanessaE I could have, and did. 20:18 VanessaE he couldn't be bothered to do the same. 20:18 Peacock so in the meantime you're short 1 modder? 20:19 VanessaE what? 20:19 Peacock MT lost one modder because he wouldn't update one of several mods he's written? 20:20 rubenwardy MT lost one modder because he threw a paddy-fit 20:21 thexyz I'd say that's because forum software doesn't allow reverting forum contents 20:21 thexyz *post contents 20:21 VanessaE MT lost a modder because he, for the fourth or fifth time, refused to roll back to the previous version and then bitched, himself, that he couldn't fix it, and then decided oh I'll just write a whole new one and delete this one....without bothering to consider that servers already use it 20:21 thexyz I'm still not sure about what happened though 20:22 Peacock yeah but it's not up to any moderator to tell someone how to mod 20:22 thexyz it seems to me that there was some local discussion in some private irc channel and then the guy went full nuts 20:22 rubenwardy She did not 20:22 Peacock MT lost a modder because he, for the fourth or fifth time, refused to roll back 20:22 thexyz she did tell him not how a moderator but how a community member 20:22 Peacock sounds like she's telling him what to do 20:23 thexyz if he can't chat with people then I'm worried about him 20:23 rubenwardy She said that she wont update the mods on her server, because of the bug 20:23 Peacock i dont know, i believe in free association, if the guy won't take your suggestion, just don't use his mods 20:23 Peacock but to ban him over it 20:23 Peacock seems like bad PR to me 20:24 VanessaE Peacock: um. 20:24 VanessaE Peacock: he bitched about it ON MY SERVER. 20:24 Peacock so ban him ON YOUR SERVER 20:24 VanessaE and therefor on the server chat channel 20:24 VanessaE which covers like 9 servers 20:24 Peacock so that translates to forum ban? 20:24 VanessaE oh christ 20:24 VanessaE can't you read!? 20:25 Jordach Peacock, you're overthinking and pissed 20:25 * VanessaE is getting irritated 20:25 thexyz VanessaE: you should write a short summary and pastebin it 20:25 VanessaE thexyz: I pastebinned the log recently, not sure of the link now though 20:25 thexyz and then go away for an hour and the problem will solve itself 20:25 thexyz log is often not enough 20:25 thexyz but w/e 20:25 Peacock whatever, you want to ban him that's fine, just don't wonder publicly why things seem to be quiet 20:26 VanessaE Peacock: he came into our channel, bitched that Nore broke his mod, even though Dan's the one who added the code and released the result to his git repo without testing, then when we told him to just roll back to undo the change, he bitched that he couldn't, and then proceeded on his little tantrum. 20:27 EvergreenTree Exactly, if you don't know how to roll back, FIGURE IT OUT 20:27 VanessaE Peacock: he got banned from the forum for violating the rules in defiance of an order not to. 20:27 VanessaE If someone announces they're about to violate the rules, and you warn them not to, and they do it anyway, what exactly do you expect to happen? 20:27 VanessaE let that person just continue merrily on their way? 20:29 VanessaE thexyz: we all know it's a standing rule that deleting/blanking an important post is a bannable offense, but why isn't it written down in the Rules section anyway? 20:29 VanessaE (see my post in the moderator section) 20:29 thexyz VanessaE: You should avoid removing content posted by yourself if people rely on it (releases, etc.). 20:30 VanessaE that's not good enough 20:30 VanessaE it needs to spell out what can happen, why, etc. 20:30 VanessaE "you should avoid" != "this will get you banned" 20:30 Peacock no we need to force people to use forum attachments, because that will make them more free 20:30 thexyz and acknowledge that the moderators can ban you for not doing so, or for any other reason. 20:30 zat1 I tried to make stollen: http://uppix.com/f-estolen52975d7e0014b0c2.jpg 20:30 NakedFury add a warning pop up when a player uses the Delete post button. Warning deleting posts is agaisnt the rules of the forums blablablah. Do you want to conitnue? Yes or No. 20:31 VanessaE thexyz: still not good enough. 20:31 Sokomine perhaps about that blanking of posts...hm. how about doing a temporal ban? in some cases it might help to give agitated people a night or a few days to think of what they're doing and to help them not to do something they'll regret most likely afterwards 20:31 thexyz VanessaE: "Removing content posted by yourself (releases, etc.) will get you banned." 20:31 thexyz just changed it 20:32 VanessaE that'll work 20:32 Peacock why dont you just make it clear that stuff in releases belongs to the community and not the author? that would make things 100* clearer 20:32 Sokomine peacock: forum attachments are practical for getting a mod :-) just 1 instead of 2 clicks 20:32 Peacock sokomine practicality isn't the issue, ownership is 20:33 * Sokomine munches some of zat1's bakery 20:33 thexyz define "belongs" 20:33 NakedFury just do the same thing as minecraft mods and everyone is happy 20:33 Peacock by belong to the community, i mean even if they pull it someone else will put it back up, at least then they would know 20:33 VanessaE Peacock: no one said the community owns the code! THE LICENSE SAYS WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO REDISTRIBUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:33 VanessaE G*D DAMN IT MAN 20:34 Peacock so if per the license you can repost the mod, why do you bother banning them? 20:34 Peacock it doesn't make sense to me lol 20:34 VanessaE because if we don't, they delete their posts also 20:34 thexyz since I'll be busy with the other project (ehehe) please only reach to me when you've agreed on something so I won't have to use my brain and will just do what you tell me (regarding the forums, moddb and other services I currently host) 20:34 VanessaE which makes the mod hard to understand 20:35 thexyz it's fun to read the log though 20:35 Jordach thexyz, then who will admin the forum then 20:35 Peacock well you could solve that by posting new threads instead of editing threads the guy can blank 20:35 sfan5 it seems like every dlink router has a backdoor 20:35 Jordach o noes 20:35 thexyz john_minetest: there are moderators, I don't understand what do you mean by "admin" 20:36 thexyz fug 20:36 thexyz Jordach: ^ 20:36 Jordach plol 20:36 thexyz also quassel sucks 20:36 Jordach oh gtfo terminal n00b 20:36 thexyz what? 20:36 thexyz anyway, please answer the question 20:36 Jordach thexyz, ah 20:36 zat1 Sokomine: it was kinda fail in case you didnt notice. lol 20:36 Jordach then no 20:37 thexyz "no" to what? 20:37 Sokomine peacock: that sounds like a good idea, if it's technically possible 20:37 Peacock sokomine, ultimately i think positions and rights could just be clearer than what they are 20:38 Peacock and quassel still sounds like a french pastry 20:38 Sokomine sfan5: seems to happen pretty frequently, that backdoor matter :-( 20:38 Sokomine zat1: i "ate" it before looking at the picture :-) 20:40 zat1 lawl 20:42 Sokomine peacock: in this particular case it wouldn't have helped. it might have helped if someone would have jumped and done the more complex parts of coding for dan instantly. and, of course, since there is always communication involved, perhaps there would have been ways to solve the conflict otherwise. but we're all humans only and can't read each other's mind, so it's not possible to avoid all conflicts and misunderstandings 20:44 Peacock sokomine it just seems to me the same problems keep coming up with different people, there must be a better way, the only choices there are better communication, or more punitive measures 20:45 Peacock unless others have ideas.. 20:45 VanessaE communication doesn't work if one party throws a tantrum and then just leaves 20:45 VanessaE Dan's was a rather unique case 20:45 sfan5 who would name himself "Otaku_swag94" on reddit? 20:46 VanessaE nothing short of a parental thrashing would have been sufficient 20:46 sfan5 that is just.... ... .. you can't describe how stupid that is 20:46 VanessaE sfan5: what's it mean? 20:46 sfan5 it? 20:47 Sokomine looks like a random combination of letters and numbmers, sfan5 20:47 sfan5 nobody knows what otaku means? 20:47 Sokomine i don't 20:47 sfan5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otaku 20:49 Sokomine vanessa: i'm sure there would have been one way somehow, but i don't know how either 20:50 VanessaE Sokomine: you were there, you know we tried every way there was 20:50 VanessaE sfan5: oookay 20:51 thexyz Peacock: I think we've decided to allow non-free mods on freeminer forums, so you can post your mods there (if interested) 20:51 VanessaE so, the japanese version of OCD? :) 20:51 thexyz sfan5: nobody knows how otaku smells 20:52 Sokomine vanessa: we tried, yes. perhaps some other approach might have worked. i really don't know. that's probably more for psychologists to figure out 20:52 NakedFury otaku are the obssessed of anime culture 20:53 thexyz this term is most oftenly used in a negative sense 20:53 thexyz sfan5: my reddit name is pomfpomfpomf3 20:53 thexyz do you know why? 20:53 sfan5 no 20:54 thexyz I can show you but you'll regret it 20:54 thexyz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkWWx0YSyM0 20:54 sfan5 !title 20:54 MinetestBot sfan5: POMFPOMFPOMF =3 - YouTube 20:54 thexyz it's a bit NSFW i think 20:55 sfan5 lo 20:55 sfan5 l 20:56 sfan5 I think this was enough for today 20:56 thexyz there's a 10 hours version 20:57 thexyz and now you'll have to watch the original clip 20:57 thexyz just for the video 20:57 thexyz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC4hFK5P3g 20:58 Peacock sorry im not ignoring anyone, i just got the ceiling people in here atm 20:58 sfan5 !title 20:58 MinetestBot sfan5: きゃりーぱみゅぱみゅ - PONPONPON , Kyary Pamyu Pamyu - PONPONPON - YouTube 20:58 sfan5 oh 20:58 sfan5 the GEMA again 20:58 thexyz lol 20:58 sfan5 they didn't like it so they brought it down 20:59 thexyz they didn't understand it 20:59 sfan5 haha 20:59 thexyz no worries i'll youtube-dl it for you 20:59 sfan5 seriously, germany is a nice country but the GEMA is just... shit 20:59 NakedFury you know if nekogloop something was here he would be posting links to japanese anime songs of a ridiculous dancing female 20:59 NakedFury all day 20:59 sfan5 >ridiculous dancing female 20:59 thexyz sfan5: http://a.pomf.se/t84db.mp4 20:59 sfan5 lol 21:00 sfan5 wait 21:00 sfan5 >pomf.se 21:00 sfan5 is that a pun? 21:00 thexyz you're starting to understand 21:00 thexyz how this world works 21:01 * sfan5 is confused 21:01 sfan5 is this all people in japan do all day? /s 21:02 thexyz japan is more popular outside of japan 21:03 NakedFury okay neko would be posting this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uOmQmM1mg4 21:04 thexyz or the english-translated version of some song 21:05 thexyz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wW54G8YJ8M <3 21:06 NakedFury I hate myself for clicking it 21:07 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Split server/client port setting to avoid port number clashes in mainmenu b08d7558de 2013-11-28T12:43:06-08:00 http://git.io/6BXraw 21:07 thexyz why? 21:07 VanessaE you know you guys are just begging nekogloop to show up with all these japanese/anime links :) 21:07 NakedFury yup 21:08 thexyz you don't like that kind of music? :( 21:09 NakedFury no 21:09 thexyz why? 21:10 NakedFury they always include spoilers of the series I am watching 21:10 thexyz NakedFury: where's your watching list? 21:11 exoplanet is the debian maintainer here? 21:11 thexyz exoplanet: check the #-dev channel 21:12 NakedFury watching list? 21:12 thexyz exoplanet: emptty 21:12 thexyz is his/her nickname 21:12 exoplanet thanks thexyz 21:12 thexyz exoplanet: *his 21:13 thexyz NakedFury: yes, do you have one? 21:15 NakedFury animefreak.tv 21:15 NakedFury doesnt have a watching list feature but I only watch 3 for now. Log Horizon, Gundam Build fighters, Yowamushi Pedal 21:16 thexyz > streaming 21:16 thexyz well, I'm sorry 21:16 thexyz there are websites which provide watching lists, like myanimelist.net or anidb.net or hummingbird.me 21:17 thexyz also suggestions and shit like this, can be quite helpful 21:23 Peacock if my wife were here, she'd suggest animes lol 21:23 Peacock im usually asleep when she's watching em 21:23 Sokomine your wife is a good builder 21:25 Peacock she puts as much time building shit as i put coding shit, i guess we just tend to to do both at hte same time lol 21:34 dumdidum hello, is there a mod that makes papyrus grow? 21:34 PilzAdam dumdidum, that functionality is in default 21:35 dumdidum PilzAdam: so i just have to place papyrus on dirt near water? 21:35 PilzAdam yes 21:35 dumdidum great, thanks :) 21:55 Peacock jesus sweet mary, the ceiling guy just left, and i he told me everything about his childhood and recent sex life :( 21:55 Peacock *he 22:09 Sokomine peacock: you're a good builder as well :-) hope you'll make your waterworld world accessible again... 22:16 Calinou the ceiling guy probably is a better builder than him! 22:16 Calinou who knows! 22:20 PilzAdam bye 23:24 * VanessaE pokes RealBadAngel 23:25 dumdidum is it possible to grow flowers and bushes? 23:30 RealBadAngel VanessaE, ill be there a bit later 23:32 VanessaE k 23:41 VanessaE bbl 23:46 RealBadAngel VanessaE, im here, whats up?