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00:07 Pentium44 So whats new in minetest 0.4.8?
00:17 Miner_48er http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.7_.E2.86.92_0.4.8
00:17 ShadowNinja OWNSyouAll: See minetest --help, particularly the --migrate option.
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00:31 OWNSyouAll ShadowNinja, Thanks for that the world loads now but then it crashes http://pastebin.com/BPzKERVR
00:32 ShadowNinja OWNSyouAll: After migrating change the backend if needed, but it should be set to sqlite3 before the migration. Did you do that?
00:34 OWNSyouAll ShadowNinja, Yeah it was a completely new world so it defaulted to sqlite. Saved the world stopped minetest migrated it to leveldb and then I get that
00:36 ShadowNinja OWNSyouAll: Did you load the world once?
00:36 OWNSyouAll Created the world saved it then migrated it
00:37 ShadowNinja OWNSyouAll: Did you *load* it?
00:38 OWNSyouAll I never went to singleplayer and hit play on the world before migrating it
00:38 OWNSyouAll if that is what your asking
00:39 OWNSyouAll Still get the same error if I do load and save a bunch before converting though
00:41 OWNSyouAll ShadowNinja, http://pastebin.com/vBHsP0Pa
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00:43 paramat okay im gong to compile for the first time, just installed cmake from ubuntu software centre
00:45 paramat now i'll re log-in as super user and will be back soon, just in case i need help
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00:51 Vazon ...
00:53 paramat now im confused, can i compile MT from my non-super user computer account?
00:53 ShadowNinja paramat: Yes, if you have the dependencies installed.
00:53 Exio4 paramat: more like, you should 4NOT compile as root
00:54 paramat okay good :)
00:54 paramat im back in my normal account now
00:54 paramat i'll just copypaste the commands in README into my terminal
00:55 Vazon umm guys on my server in in creative and only me and i cant get rid of it... why is this
00:55 Vazon I'm*
00:56 OWNSyouAll Vazon, Your in your server thats in creative mode and you can't get rid of what?
00:57 Vazon no my server isnt in creative but im on my server and im in creative but i want out of creative but i cant get rid creative priv -.-
00:58 OWNSyouAll Have you tried removing the creative privilage manualy from auth.txt?
00:59 Vazon no i want to keep it but i just want to remove it temp
00:59 ShadowNinja Vazon: The server owner gets all privs. Remove name from minetest.conf or use a different account.
01:00 Exio4 "creative priv"?
01:00 Vazon dang -.-
01:00 paramat okay ive located the source files (in tar.gz format) at /releases/tag/0.4.8, im assuming these are 0.4.8 stable, i dont want dev
01:00 Vazon yes i updated my unified ivo for my server and then i have the creative priv
01:01 * VanessaE is back.  yay.
01:02 Vazon man shes back :P wb VanessaE
01:02 VanessaE boo.
01:02 Vazon XD
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01:09 * paramat puts on some calming compiling music
01:10 Fury dubstep? waves crashing onto the sea?
01:11 paramat chilled electro, Joseph Auer
01:13 paramat cd to which directory before copypasting these commands? home i guess?
01:13 OWNSyouAll Go to minetest folder you extracted
01:13 OWNSyouAll cmake .
01:13 OWNSyouAll make -j 9
01:13 OWNSyouAll if you have 4 cores make the j options twice that plus one
01:14 OWNSyouAll so if you had 2 cores do make -j 5
01:14 paramat i havent extracted anything yet
01:14 OWNSyouAll Did you download an archive or did you git clone it?
01:14 paramat im about to download dependancies
01:15 paramat first step in README after 'Compiling on GNU/Linux:'
01:16 VanessaE paramat: after you clone, do the `apt-get install` bit from anywhere, then cd into the minetest directory and styart building.
01:16 VanessaE start*
01:17 paramat okay ...
01:17 paramat but install dependancies is the fist step
01:17 paramat ... not clone
01:17 VanessaE that's fine
01:18 VanessaE if you already have git, it doesn't matter which you do first.
01:18 VanessaE (git as in the program I mean)
01:18 paramat cd to home directory to install dependancies?
01:18 paramat yes i have git installed
01:18 VanessaE it doesn't matter where you are.
01:18 paramat okay great here i gp
01:18 VanessaE `apt-get install xxxxx` will work from anywhere
01:18 paramat (go)
01:18 VanessaE oh SHIT!  NOT THAT BUTTON!
01:18 VanessaE *BOOM*
01:19 VanessaE :)
01:19 paramat grr
01:20 VanessaE ?
01:20 paramat Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
01:20 OWNSyouAll did you do sudo apt-get install?
01:20 VanessaE sudo apt-get install xxxxxxxx
01:20 paramat ah of course
01:20 VanessaE derp? :)
01:21 paramat drep carp drap!
01:23 paramat mattg is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
01:23 paramat but i have a admin account on this computer
01:23 paramat (an)
01:24 OWNSyouAll paramat, can you login as root on that machine?
01:24 paramat yes i think so, as an admin account with all privs
01:25 OWNSyouAll Your linux account has all privs or your minetest account has all privs?
01:25 paramat linux acc
01:25 OWNSyouAll Is this your own linux machine or is it owned by someone else?
01:25 paramat i was told to not compile as root
01:25 paramat its someone elses yes
01:25 OWNSyouAll Yes but you need to install dependencies as root
01:26 paramat ah okay i'll relogin to my admin account, thanks :)
01:26 paramat then compile in my normal account
01:26 paramat back soon
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02:00 Fury bl;ue
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02:12 paramat now compiled
02:21 paramat it works, thanks for helping :)
02:24 VanessaE \o/
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02:42 paramat phew asteroid LVM works like a dream
02:44 ShadowNinja :-)
02:45 ShadowNinja paramat: Now you only have to convert all your other mapgen mods. :-D
02:45 paramat hehe
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02:47 paramat now i'll fork minetest so i can compile, edit it and test
02:49 ShadowNinja Total uptime: 3 weeks, 2 days, 5 hours, 30 minutes, 5 seconds. Before ^
02:52 paramat SN thats my total pre-fork IRC time?
02:53 ShadowNinja paramat: No that *was* ShadowBot's uptime.
02:53 paramat hehe okay :)
02:57 thexyz VanessaE: no all forum softwares are shit
02:57 thexyz and they don't support everything we want because we want them to do crazy shit
02:57 thexyz like this feature you suggested
02:58 thexyz I'll be surprised if any forum software implements this
02:59 VanessaE edit history is "crazy shit"?
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02:59 ShadowNinja thexyz: Yes, because post history is better.
02:59 VanessaE strange, every wiki out there has had that for like 15 years now or something
03:00 ShadowNinja VanessaE: I think he means the amending thing.
03:01 VanessaE oh, well perhaps
03:02 VanessaE I'd have figured amending would be programatically easier than edit histories.
03:03 thexyz VanessaE: edit history, according to most forum software, is crazy either because no forum software implements it
03:03 thexyz and if some forum software implements it then it implements it wrong
03:03 thexyz i.e. it doesn't save attachments
03:04 paramat okay now i have a pastebin account too ... um at last :}
03:05 VanessaE meh
03:06 VanessaE we have to do SOMETHING about these ragequits. and this time, the guy bolts because HE doesn't wanna follow the rules.
03:06 VanessaE (btw, do we still call it "to pull a cornernote" or does someone else's name fit in now?)
03:09 thexyz indeed we have to
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03:16 thexyz VanessaE: care to write a punbb plugin for keeping history?
03:16 VanessaE wish I could.
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03:17 Enke Hey, the server crashed...
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03:18 thexyz VanessaE: happens all the time
03:19 VanessaE eh?
03:20 Enke Does anyone know how to get rid of a download stored on the forum?
03:20 Enke I used it before I set up GitHub.
03:20 VanessaE a moderator has to delete it.
03:21 Enke Alright.
03:30 thexyz VanessaE: talk like this happens all the time
03:30 thexyz "I think we need..."
03:30 thexyz and then no one is willing to do anything
03:31 thexyz and working alternatives get ignored
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03:33 thexyz in this case there are no working alternatives though
03:34 RealBadAngel the user is not able to delete own attachment... how can it play well together with adding mods as attachments?
03:35 RealBadAngel i can smell flood of posts "please do delete it, i want to upload new version"
03:35 VanessaE thexyz: define "working alternatives"
03:35 VanessaE I don't see you coming up with anything that will solve this.
03:36 VanessaE no offense..
03:37 VanessaE RealBadAngel: two words:  cornernote, jordan4ibanez
03:37 VanessaE better to deal with people bitching about troubles updating than people yanking their work from the forum against the rules.
03:37 RealBadAngel you mean users that deleted own mods?
03:37 VanessaE yup
03:38 RealBadAngel well, if they wrote it, they could do WTF they wanted to with it
03:38 VanessaE forum rules.  open source doesn't work if you think you can just disappear your code, you know.
03:38 RealBadAngel mod is not automatically a community property when released
03:39 RealBadAngel its said that community use it or whatever
03:39 RealBadAngel *can
03:39 VanessaE GPL expressly forbids such actions.
03:39 VanessaE as I recall
03:40 RealBadAngel i may be wrong
03:40 VanessaE remember,
03:40 VanessaE these are *distribution* licenses
03:40 VanessaE not *usage* licenses.
03:40 VanessaE a usage license is better known as a EULA after all.
03:41 VanessaE open source doesn't work if the original author can just make all the code disappear.
03:42 VanessaE thexyz: ok.  new forum rule, and this needs written clearly in the rules section.
03:43 VanessaE "By posting your code on these forums, either by attachment, inclusion in a post, or some other way, you grant all users of these forums the non0exclusive, irrevocable right to use, modify, and distribute that code.  All such code must be covered under an open source friendly license such as ______."
03:43 VanessaE (full in the blank with whatever list you feel is appropriate.
03:43 VanessaE )
03:43 VanessaE and preferably without my typo :)
03:48 Fury dont allow users to delete posts without a Moderators permission.
03:48 hmmmm http://dev.minetest.net/Mapgen_Parameters
03:48 Fury they hit Delete and it sends a permission alert to Moderators
03:49 Fury the Moderators can then backup the posts for safekeeping
03:49 * paramat looks
03:50 hmmmm yup, slowly getting around to documenting LVM somewhat or at least creating a guide, but it requires so much back information
03:50 paramat oh and thanks for the lua optimisation tips
03:51 hmmmm np, all of these pages are going to be links in the main LVM page
03:51 hmmmm when that gets made
03:51 paramat have changed my coding style on the advice from ShadowNin and N0re
03:52 VanessaE hmmmm: way to change the subject.
03:55 VanessaE paramat: just fyi, people are gonna start adding filters to their irc clients to catch those anti-pings :)
03:56 paramat okay, ive decided to relax a bit about those :)
03:56 Sokomine hmm. some people have odd ideas. perhaps i'll in the future have to collect some griefers somewhere and attract them to my buildings on a particular server...i'm not good at tearing down houses :-(
03:56 Sokomine vanessa: no, not your server :-)
04:05 thexyz VanessaE: o've suggested xenforo multiple times in the past
04:06 thexyz and about attachments what it should do is to set a "deleted" flag instead of actually deleting
04:06 thexyz and then mods should be able to recover the file
04:07 VanessaE thexyz: that's fair
04:08 thexyz shitty quassel's lost my message
04:09 thexyz there should be another section below attachments, called deleted attachments and only visible to mods
04:09 thexyz and basically both delete and recover buttons just move the files between those sections
04:13 thexyz anyone wants 10k$?
04:14 paramat hmmmm good work on that mgparams page
04:15 hmmmm yup
04:15 thexyz https://bitcointalk.org/in​dex.php?topic=337294.0;all
04:15 hmmmm thanks
04:17 paramat VanessaE ive seen several floating hands in my worlds, amazing
04:18 paramat incoming screenshot
04:18 VanessaE wrong channel :)
04:19 Pentium44 VanessaE wanna see a good picture of my lovely screwups?
04:19 Pentium44 lol
04:19 VanessaE um./sure
04:19 Pentium44 http://www.cddo.us/drive/users/Pentium44/​Images/minetest/screenshot-mcc-112413.png
04:20 Pentium44 me working on my branch ^
04:20 Pentium44 mapgen for dirt went down the drain XD
04:23 paramat http://i.imgur.com/qJT7N0u.png restart the world and they multiple spawn stacked in various columns, then fall inside each other
04:24 paramat thats my former 'frosty mitt' texture
04:26 paramat you should try restarting at the hand location in case they spawn and fall like this 8)
04:27 paramat http://i.imgur.com/AbUm4Js.png
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04:43 sfan5 ShadowNinja: poke back
04:43 sfan5 I knew I couldn't trust bitcoin-qt to not use 100% CPU an heat my laptop up
04:44 sfan5 whatever I'll go to sleep again...
04:45 thexyz it has to verify blockchain
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04:45 thexyz of course it will use your cpu
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04:48 * arsdragonfly tries to build minetest on android using his phone only
04:48 Pentium44 minetest on android is awwweeesssooooommmmeee
04:49 VanessaE arsdragonfly: cleanroom reverse-engineer of the current one that one guy made/
04:49 VanessaE ?
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04:54 arsdragonfly that one on google play?
04:56 Pentium44 yes
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05:00 VanessaE yeah
05:00 VanessaE I've played with the free version for like 2 minutes.  it works, that's about all I can say about it right now
05:01 sfan5 thexyz: but not 100% of all cores at once
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05:05 thexyz sfan5: it tries its hardestest to make sure you get a valid blockchain
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05:05 arsdragonfly interesting
05:05 arsdragonfly is LGPL the reason why that guy could make a closed-source port?
05:05 sfan5 hm whatever, it should be done syncing in a minute
05:06 Pentium44 arsdragonfly, thats what I want to know
05:06 Pentium44 well, im away
05:06 Pentium44 cya all later
05:06 thexyz arsdragonfly: he has to provide source for modified minetest engine
05:07 thexyz but the java part can remain closed source
05:07 thexyz because he failed to provide the source in some reasonable amount of time the topic is now in the trash section
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05:13 hoodedice VanessaE: What happened to Dan?
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05:14 arsdragonfly poor wifi connection...
05:14 arsdragonfly i'm curious about how it loads mods
05:15 hoodedice VanessaE: What happened to Dan?
05:15 arsdragonfly playstarz/data/mods?
05:15 VanessaE hoodedice: he decided he couldn't debug one of his mods and wanted to delete it by deleting the forum thread for it, despite being warned not to.  He did it anyway, got banned, ragequit.
05:15 VanessaE tried to pull a cornernote.
05:15 VanessaE the forum lost 6 of his projects, but all the good ones were saved.
05:16 VanessaE or "a jordan4ibanez" might be more accurate.
05:16 hoodedice bah
05:16 hoodedice Don't think he'll be back
05:16 VanessaE idk
05:17 hoodedice (Such a drama queen)
05:17 hoodedice w/e, I have ilights, do we have that?
05:17 VanessaE yup.
05:17 VanessaE I saved all the good one - castles, ilights, camo, army stuff, and others.
05:18 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6470942/
05:18 VanessaE these got lost.
05:18 hoodedice So we lost instabuild. Sad.
05:18 VanessaE (he deleted the download sources)
05:18 VanessaE yeah.
05:19 hoodedice hrm. I guess the mod repo will be a safeguard against similar stupidity
05:19 hoodedice XD
05:19 VanessaE that's why forum attachments exist now
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05:19 Fury when a user deletes a post the system should back it up b efore deleting it
05:20 VanessaE and as far as I'm concerned, a mod must have a current release as an attachment before I will move it to Mod Releases
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05:22 paramat i wrote Dan's aquifers mod so i have that :)
05:22 hoodedice I say make the mod repo the only way to distribute mods
05:23 hoodedice No download links.
05:23 VanessaE paramat: already saved that one
05:23 paramat good
05:23 hoodedice Is there an IRC log of his rage?
05:23 Fury the minetest people are too forgiving and soft
05:24 VanessaE hoodedice: I have a log of the event.
05:24 hoodedice forgiving? lol
05:24 thexyz Fury: what do you think we should do?
05:25 Fury whatever has to be done so another hurt baby wont destroy all traces of what he shared with the community
05:25 hoodedice Can you pass it VanessaE?
05:26 thexyz for now just force them to use attachments
05:26 hoodedice I say force em to the mod repo
05:27 VanessaE getting it now, hoodedice
05:27 thexyz or that
05:27 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6472344/
05:27 hoodedice https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/ I'm starting a forum thread and poll in a few minutes
05:28 hoodedice 24? lol
05:29 hoodedice Was this not in this IRC?
05:29 VanessaE not here, no
05:29 VanessaE in the server chat channel.
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05:30 VanessaE hah, and here comes the culprit now!
05:30 nore ?
05:30 VanessaE nore, it's all your fault, you bastard!
05:30 VanessaE :D
05:30 VanessaE nore: dan pulled a jordan4ibanez.
05:31 nore seriously? he did quit?
05:31 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6472344/
05:31 VanessaE see for yourself
05:32 nore because he wasn't able to delete half a line that didn't work?
05:32 hoodedice XD
05:32 nore he deleted a github repo for that? he doesn't see the point of version control
05:32 VanessaE yup.
05:32 VanessaE you got it, bub.
05:32 nore and then, he deleted everything... that's just not normal
05:32 VanessaE meanwhile...
05:33 * VanessaE sings along with "Ho, Ho, Fucking Ho"
05:33 hoodedice "So why should I maintain a mod that I cannot fix and is completely broken and that no-one but you uses"
05:33 VanessaE nore: I grabbed what I could, but we lost these, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6470942/
05:33 nore I was trying to help, and he says "you're an idiot"
05:33 hoodedice NO-ONE?
05:33 hoodedice NO ONE!@!!!
05:34 nore which one are those?
05:34 hoodedice "at least I have a premium Mojang account so I can still do Minecraft"
05:34 hoodedice GET THE F OUT!!!
05:34 hoodedice XD
05:34 nore <Dan_D> #If it is not fixable,what should I do?
05:34 VanessaE nore:  warning signs, 3d apple, zombies game, and etc
05:34 thexyz wow
05:34 nore ^ that was half a line to delete
05:35 thexyz sorry i can't post reaction pics from my phone
05:35 VanessaE eh?
05:35 VanessaE oh right :)
05:35 thexyz but that's just retarded
05:35 VanessaE http://forum.unity3d.com/attachment.ph​p?attachmentid=65521&amp;d=1377691686
05:35 VanessaE that about sums it up.
05:36 hoodedice Indeed. it does.
05:36 thexyz VanessaE: you didn't behave nice either
05:36 hoodedice She did.
05:37 hoodedice Dan is not a king or something
05:37 VanessaE thexyz: I carried myself as well as can be expected.  that log shows dan's usual behavior when he gets pissed off at nothing at all.
05:37 hoodedice And he has done this once before
05:38 thexyz she could've told him about the old mods section
05:38 VanessaE eh?
05:38 thexyz instead of writing fuck in all caps
05:38 VanessaE what's that got to do with anything?
05:38 thexyz if he doesn't want to maintain the mod, as he said
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05:39 thexyz then it could be moved to old mods
05:39 VanessaE if he doesn't want to maintain a mod, he can ...oh I dunno...walk away?
05:39 VanessaE I'm not going to spoon feed him.
05:39 hoodedice https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6585
05:40 hoodedice 11-7 months ago
05:40 hoodedice (First post is edited)
05:40 arsdragonfly_ deleting a mod post just because of being unable to debug it sounds like something a 3-year-old would do
05:40 VanessaE no one but he made th decision to delete his shit, and if you've ever deleted a project from github, you know very well it takes a significant effort to do so.
05:41 VanessaE and now in about two days' time, he'll come back, whining to be given a third chance.
05:42 VanessaE last time, he felt the need to blame me, and even sent me a nastygram in email.
05:42 hoodedice Whatever
05:42 hoodedice http://sadtrombone.com/?play=true
05:42 VanessaE (idr how that even came about, either)
05:43 thexyz VanessaE: so this happened before? did you unban him?
05:44 VanessaE thexyz: last time?  I expired his ban a few days early.  Figured a second chance was okay.
05:44 VanessaE (it was a to-the-end-of-the-month temp ban)
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05:44 VanessaE because at least last time, he didn't get stupid.
05:44 VanessaE he just got pissed.
05:44 VanessaE I can deal with the latter, but I have little tolerance for the two combined.
05:45 VanessaE (though this time, the ban is not my doing)
05:45 hoodedice Everyone gets banned sometime
05:46 hoodedice I was week-long banned once too
05:47 hoodedice brb
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05:54 arsdragonfly interesting
05:54 arsdragonfly i can now debug and develop mods on my phone now
05:55 VanessaE got the server going okay
05:55 VanessaE ?
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06:02 hoodedice wut? ide on a phone?
06:05 hoodedice VanessaE: What rule prevents a mod-maker from deleting his mod?
06:07 VanessaE it's a standing rule
06:07 VanessaE but it does need to be written down.
06:08 VanessaE "You should avoid removing content posted by yourself if people rely on it (releases, etc.)."
06:08 VanessaE in the rules section
06:08 VanessaE this needs to be strengthened greatly, but I can't edit this page.
06:09 Miner_48er VanessaE we could get the code for the missing mods
06:09 VanessaE Miner: how?
06:10 hoodedice I think it's a question?
06:10 hoodedice Where are the rules again?
06:10 VanessaE unless someone has copies of the files, the only way is to rewrite the mods and pray the nodenames are right.
06:10 Miner_48er google cache
06:10 VanessaE hoodedice: "Rules" link at the top of a forum page.
06:10 hoodedice Ah yes.
06:10 VanessaE Miner_48er: hm, lemme give it a try.
06:10 hoodedice cache?
06:11 Miner_48er google has copies of most pages we would have to do it file by file though
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06:11 Miner_48er like this
06:11 Miner_48er http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/searc​h?q=cache:hZCYv8Tj-sMJ:https://github.com/D​anDuncombe/instabuild/blob/master/init.lua+​&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us
06:11 Miner_48er instabuild
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06:12 hoodedice Darn, awesome
06:12 VanessaE well that's part of it anyway
06:12 hoodedice Can't do it with wayback - robots.txt
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06:15 hoodedice Well, there's only the init.lua
06:15 hoodedice Can't get the textures or models out
06:19 hoodedice VanessaE: http://webapps.stackexchange.com/que​stions/15633/how-to-modify-a-url-to-​get-a-google-cached-version-of-page
06:19 hoodedice tl;dr http://webcache.googleuserc​ontent.com/search?q=cache: paste any url here
06:19 VanessaE I know.
06:19 hoodedice I didn't XD
06:19 Miner_48er great
06:22 VanessaE useless though if google doesn't cache images :(
06:22 hoodedice Do mods belong to the community or to the dev?
06:22 hoodedice Textures can be remade, I find the code to be more important
06:22 VanessaE the code belongs to the dev but the dev does not have the right to just take the code away
06:23 hoodedice Is that part of the licence?
06:23 hoodedice license(s)
06:23 VanessaE it's a standing rule for the forum, and some licenses like GPL also specify it
06:23 hoodedice hmm
06:24 Miner_48er cc license http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/
06:26 hoodedice What about cornernote?
06:26 hoodedice Dude pulled off everything
06:27 Miner_48er restore what can be from copies
06:28 VanessaE last I knew he was still banned (by his own request), but some of his stuff eventually got put back up
06:28 VanessaE but he ragequit before the forum file attachments feature was added
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06:37 Miner_48er Menche do you have a copy of Zombie Survival [1.5]?
06:37 Menche huh?
06:38 VanessaE menche, do you have a copy of any of these?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6470942/
06:38 us`0gb It's sad when people have to go out with a bang ... Why not leave peacefully?
06:38 VanessaE us`0gb: because it's more dramatic ?
06:38 VanessaE :P
06:39 us`0gb Who needs the drama though? Things are more pleasant without it.
06:39 Miner_48er Menche a few mods were deleted and we're seeing if we can find copies
06:39 Menche what author?
06:39 VanessaE Menche: CanDuncombe
06:39 Miner_48er DanD
06:39 VanessaE er
06:39 VanessaE DanDuncombe
06:39 hoodedice lol
06:39 hoodedice VanessaE: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=119543#p119543
06:39 Menche i have a copy of zombies by danduncombe
06:39 Miner_48er great
06:40 VanessaE Menche: zip + upload please?
06:40 VanessaE (or dcc, and I'll attach it to the post)
06:41 Menche http://menche.us/files/zombies.zip
06:41 Menche that contains the files from the git repository
06:42 VanessaE thanks
06:43 VanessaE attached and saved.
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06:46 VanessaE any chance of you having the others also? :)
06:47 hoodedice VanessaE: are mods not uploaded to the repo?
06:47 hoodedice Darn
06:49 VanessaE hoodedice: to what repo?
06:49 VanessaE you mean mmdb?
06:49 hoodedice yes
06:49 hoodedice I thought the actual content was at the repo
06:49 VanessaE two of them are (I forget which two)
06:49 hoodedice So content is at github, and mmdb is just a front-end. Darn
06:49 VanessaE well
06:49 hoodedice ]I say, make mmdb a github clone
06:49 VanessaE if a file is uploaded to mmdb
06:49 hoodedice XD
06:50 VanessaE it has it.
06:50 hoodedice hmm
06:50 VanessaE but most of his weren't uploaded at all
06:50 VanessaE some were on dropbox, some on mediafire, some on github, and a couple were via forum attachments already
06:50 Menche his git repositories are gone.
06:50 VanessaE yup
06:50 hoodedice hrm
06:50 VanessaE he killed all his github repos and dropbox files
06:51 VanessaE he thankfully failed to kill off his mediafire files, but I guess you can't search mediafire :(
06:52 hoodedice You can't ;/
06:52 hoodedice *:/
06:52 hoodedice Let's just get a hold of whatever we can get and upload it somewhere
06:52 VanessaE already did.
06:52 VanessaE forum attachments can't be deleted.
06:53 Menche uh, are the forums down?
06:53 Miner_48er what mod was on mediafire?
06:53 us`0gb Forum attachments cannot be deleted? THat's good to know.
06:54 VanessaE us`0gb: correct, except by moderators.
06:54 VanessaE Miner_48er: I forget which ones now
06:55 hoodedice Later
06:55 VanessaE bye
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07:08 Menche anyone else get this?   https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=119538#p119538
07:08 KByte This may be a silly quesion, but how does one connect the LV Cables to the switching station? We have also tried MV and HV cables.
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07:17 Miner_48er KByte place it next to a cable
07:17 KByte Miner_48er: thats what we did, it is not connecting
07:17 Miner_48er place it over a cable
07:17 VanessaE Menche: no, that's a weird one all right
07:18 KByte Oh, got it. Thank you Miner_48er!
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07:20 VanessaE oddly, it works fine for me
07:20 VanessaE (but I don't use arch)
07:25 Menche hmm, worked fine when i compiled it manually
07:28 VanessaE maybe you could share your build with bdjnk?
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08:10 Jordach VanessaE, fold his realtest server up - show him the effect of leaving...
08:11 VanessaE I already pulled his admin access, revoked interact on all five, and removed his name from the servers' entries in the master ist
08:11 VanessaE list*
08:11 VanessaE (except that I still specify it's his fork of Realtest rather than sda97's)
08:13 Jordach i still proved he was a time bomb waiting to go
08:13 VanessaE yup
08:13 VanessaE anyway, he's unable to do any damage now.
08:13 Jordach oh, and the second segment of my short is done
08:14 VanessaE cool
08:16 * Jordach is ready to drop a tiny teaser
08:17 Jordach i may also drop mediagoblin for youtube as it's has a (insanely) larger userbase
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08:30 Jordach reactor, Dan_D has left the community
08:30 Jordach you may now drop the fake event
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08:31 Jordach paramat, hi norwich
08:31 VanessaE in two days, he'll be baqck
08:31 VanessaE back
08:31 VanessaE I can almost guarantee it
08:31 * Jordach knows virgin only is in norwich
08:31 paramat hehe
08:32 paramat Peacock, just pushed more efficient code, should be even faster https://github.com/paramat/asteroid
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08:51 Jordach ugh, do i really have to be sick again
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09:40 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Parfait Day! :-D
09:46 VanessaE bbl... bed.
09:46 VanessaE good morning, James :)
09:47 VanessaE night
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10:31 john_minetest Hello everykitten
10:32 john_minetest Gah, my PC is too fast... I was used to going to the toilet while boot and doing some homework while chat and firefox are starting up. Well, now it takes 20 seconds to boot, login, start x and firefox.
10:34 OldCoder Too fast
10:34 OldCoder The horror :P
10:35 * Jordach feels sick again
10:44 OldCoder Jordach, what is issue?
10:44 Jordach not sure if stomach ache or throwing
10:46 Jordach water helps
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11:52 john_minetest Why does my minetest build say "MSVC" in the left hand side upper corner?
11:52 john_minetest I compiled with gcc
11:55 pitriss john_minetest: because it is just part of name. see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tags
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11:56 john_minetest Why is a shitty compiler in the tag?
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11:58 pitriss john_minetest: I'm not core dev, so IDK.. But.. When you update to latest 0.4.8 then "MSVC" will be gone:D
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12:38 EvergreenTree o/
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12:50 jojoa1997 HI
12:53 reactor Morning.
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13:45 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu3swsAqQdw
13:45 EvergreenTree I can think of a really hacky way of spawning trees, make a sapling that grows instantly and have it be generated via on_generated or voxelmanip
13:46 EvergreenTree !title
13:46 MinetestBot EvergreenTree: ket is for horses - YouTube
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13:55 reactor !
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15:07 sfan5 hi everyone
15:08 jojoa1997 hi
15:10 iqualfragile hi sfan5
15:12 reactor Зфззйз йщшщлйлл ёььсьячьб.
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15:13 BlockMen hi everyone
15:14 BlockMen finally my provider fixed my internet connection
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15:47 thexyz iqualfragile: non free licenses should be disallowed
15:47 iqualfragile thexyz: yes, but is -nc realy nonfree?
15:47 thexyz yes it is
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15:52 john_minetest Hello again
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16:08 VanessaE hi
16:09 reactor Morning.
16:09 Calinou hi
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16:18 * Calinou found an "invert colors" option in geany
16:18 Calinou nice :D
16:20 thexyz > geany
16:21 reactor Geany :(
16:21 reactor Why don't you want to learn proper editors?
16:22 Calinou http://images.wikia.com/mlpfanart/images​/4/41/Rainbow_Dash_haters_gonna_hate.gif
16:22 thexyz > gif artifacts
16:23 Calinou gif doesn't support true colour
16:23 Calinou except with big hacks
16:23 sfan5 big hacks?
16:23 EvergreenTree Calinou, brofist for geany
16:24 * Calinou brohooves EvergreenTree
16:24 Calinou sfan5, I've seen true colour gifs
16:24 EvergreenTree *brohoove
16:24 Calinou very few...
16:24 sfan5 people should use .gif for backward compatibility but provide hq APNGs too
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16:24 thexyz Calinou: of course that's because of true color http://i.imgur.com/fCOn1mX.png
16:24 EvergreenTree For smaller things (GUI) gedit is good
16:25 iqualfragile thexyz: can you cange spotmod to 20?
16:25 EvergreenTree Though I am learning vim
16:25 sfan5 it's sad that nice things like http://octodex.github.com/mummytocat/ are distributed only in the shitty .gif format
16:25 iqualfragile sfan5: .apng would be the right thing i guess
16:25 sfan5 s/\.apng/.png/
16:26 iqualfragile but as long as 4chan does not support apng i do not think it will ever sucseed
16:26 sfan5 it's still png
16:26 sfan5 lol
16:26 sfan5 apng are just additional sections in a png file
16:26 Calinou chromium needs a plugin for apng
16:26 thexyz iqualfragile: perhaps you should make a setting or something?
16:26 Calinou only firefox supports it natively...
16:26 sfan5 every standard-conform png reader/verifier shouldn't break
16:26 thexyz which can be edited from admin panel
16:27 iqualfragile thexyz: well, it is a setting, but yes, i, too think that it might be beneficial to be able to change that without contacting you every time
16:28 EvergreenTree I agree, why is apng not supported?  We need better quality animated images
16:28 sfan5 apng is not supported by what?
16:29 thexyz chrome
16:29 thexyz and IE probably
16:29 reactor I didn't know you're into fisting.
16:30 thexyz it's supported by firefox and opera only it seems
16:30 thexyz reactor: what?
16:32 iqualfragile thexyz: i guess that was a bite reflex triggered by the mentioning of ie
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16:38 EvergreenTree So sad:  http://apngs.com/
16:38 EvergreenTree !title
16:38 MinetestBot EvergreenTree: Animated PNGs are dead and will never return.
16:39 EvergreenTree We needed something better then gifs, but you blew it internet
16:39 thexyz the daily reminder http://i.imgur.com/0HvoC6a.jpg
16:39 thexyz EvergreenTree: we have video
16:39 thexyz it's better than gifs
16:39 thexyz some sites already reencode gifs to h264 to save space
16:40 EvergreenTree no, never use them for videos
16:40 thexyz also lol, that texture doesn't even tile
16:40 EvergreenTree They are only meant for small animations
16:40 thexyz EvergreenTree: what? I'm telling about using <video> for gifs, not the other way
16:40 EvergreenTree oh
16:40 EvergreenTree thexyz, what website is that? it looks so much better then the current minetest.net
16:41 thexyz EvergreenTree: no it's shit (as decided by the community)
16:41 EvergreenTree It looks amazing
16:41 thexyz EvergreenTree: but you can check it here http://minetest.ru/prowseed-minetest-net/
16:41 EvergreenTree Sometimes I'm with the community, but F*ck that, this is so much better
16:42 thexyz yes
16:42 EvergreenTree I wish someone would update that website though, I would use it instead of minetest.net
16:42 thexyz people were saying it looks too professional
16:43 thexyz or something like that
16:43 EvergreenTree dafuq
16:43 thexyz I don't know what's wrong with them, sorry
16:43 EvergreenTree Too professional?   really?
16:43 thexyz I've been pushing this design for a while
16:43 sfan5 too professional wut
16:43 thexyz but instead we've got what we have
16:43 EvergreenTree It would look amazing for an open source project to have such a professional website
16:43 sfan5 the new design is 100% nicer
16:43 sfan5 what does celeron55 say?
16:44 EvergreenTree but no, we have to stick with the crappy one
16:44 thexyz sfan5: what is "the new design"?
16:44 thexyz the prowseed one is older than what we have
16:44 thexyz check some logs
16:44 sfan5 s/the new/the prowseed one/
16:44 thexyz people were hating on it
16:44 sfan5 I forgot that it was older
16:44 thexyz just grep "prowseed-minetest-net"
16:44 EvergreenTree Now I see why the core devs hate community decisions
16:45 reactor animated images are bad taste
16:45 reactor They take ages to load.
16:45 reactor And look distracting.
16:45 reactor That shit needs to die.
16:45 reactor As well as flash and the like.
16:45 EvergreenTree Well, you are right about flash
16:45 EvergreenTree ON forums especially
16:46 thexyz hey look
16:46 EvergreenTree I mean, just take a glimpse at the minecrap forums
16:46 thexyz http://irc.minetest.ru/minet​est-dev/2013-02-19#i_2882563
16:46 thexyz i've got the logs
16:46 EvergreenTree Get rid of the video in the center then
16:46 EvergreenTree It would still look great
16:47 thexyz well to think about it
16:47 thexyz it seems c55 is the one who didn't like it, not the community
16:47 thexyz and then some people started to support him
16:48 thexyz or something like that, I don't remember now
16:48 thexyz and the guy who's responsible for the current design said prowseed sucks, no comment here
16:49 thexyz that's why we can't have good things
16:49 BlockMen wut? where have i said it sucks?
16:49 thexyz and maybe PA too but he's just always cocky
16:50 thexyz BlockMen: well i'm playing with words but http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2013-06-06#i_3125902
16:51 BlockMen thexyz, "disagree" == "suck"?
16:51 BlockMen really?!
16:51 thexyz BlockMen: then you said it's worse than what we had
16:51 thexyz and what we had, apparently, sucked, since you reworked it from scratch
16:51 thexyz if that's not what you meant then I'm sorry
16:52 BlockMen thexzy, i still think that: http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2013-06-06#i_3125923
16:53 thexyz and I still think that prowseed's design will be better than anything we will ever have
16:53 * BlockMen disagrees again :P
16:54 thexyz (assuming we'll never have prowseed's design)
16:54 * sfan5 agrees
16:54 thexyz well then
16:54 thexyz I don't really care anymore
16:54 thexyz stuff's being decided by people who rarely do anything related to minetest, that's odd
16:55 thexyz who don't listen to the community either
16:55 BlockMen AFAIK celeron decides everything about the website
16:56 BlockMen and i mean everything, my pull to let page member edit the nav is still waiting for comment or anithing
16:56 BlockMen *anything
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17:00 thexyz BlockMen: do you think the current design is better than prowseed's?
17:01 thexyz that just means he doesn't give a shit anymore
17:01 thexyz and expects you to ping him every day or something
17:01 thexyz (which is quite reasonable given that he has life and stuff)
17:01 BlockMen in general yes, but prowseed has the polish
17:01 thexyz haha, alright
17:02 thexyz at least I now have something to quote
17:02 * BlockMen wishes to polish current textures
17:02 thexyz i just feel bad every time someone links to the main page
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17:02 thexyz and now on reddit..
17:03 BlockMen thexyz, make a better image for the start page
17:03 BlockMen that would help a lot
17:03 BlockMen that is something we can change without celeron
17:03 thexyz no, I'm going to boycott the current design
17:04 BlockMen ok, then choose the worst option :D
17:06 thexyz I'm doing that exactly because I don't want to improve what we have; I want prowseed's design which looks mature and professional
17:07 thexyz this may sound childish but that's how it is
17:08 thexyz Calinou: why is reddit so shit?
17:08 Calinou so shit?
17:08 Calinou oh, I posted Minetest 0.4.8 on it
17:08 Calinou :p
17:09 BlockMen http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2013-11-25#i_3454798 lol
17:09 thexyz Calinou: I've replied constructively then some faggot nitpicked some shit and I've got downvoted
17:09 * Calinou now has above 500 comment karma!
17:09 Calinou thexyz, some people downvote because of opinion
17:09 Calinou deal with it
17:09 thexyz BlockMen: yes, I don't care so much I'll be posting it every day
17:09 Calinou it's not like most people don't do tht
17:09 Calinou that
17:09 thexyz http://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comm​ents/1reyu6/minetest_048_released/cdmmq1s
17:10 thexyz I guess I still have to learn how this stuff works
17:10 thexyz but there's big banner saying to not downvote because of opinion, can't those people read?
17:10 Calinou people don't actually DO it
17:11 Calinou I don't see that banner too :P
17:11 Calinou (I use RES)
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17:12 thexyz Calinou: and I have 4 times more link karma than you
17:12 Calinou heh
17:12 Calinou I've only posted a few links
17:15 sfan5 thexyz: I about 10x more link karma than you
17:15 thexyz sfan5: I only post stuff I make
17:15 sfan5 I only post stuff I make too
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17:16 thexyz a lot of funny pics to minecraft subreddit, I see
17:16 Calinou it used to be full of memes; since 2012 they have a policy on it
17:16 thexyz are we done showing off?
17:17 sfan5 yes
17:18 thexyz that's nice
17:18 sfan5 lol
17:18 sfan5 fake passport spam in the forum
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17:25 grrk-bzzt Hello
17:25 Calinou hi grrk-bzzt
17:26 Calinou grrk-bzzt, french guy :D
17:26 grrk-bzzt I'm experiencing difficulties running Minetest 0.4.8 or the latest git on Arch-Linux x86_64 with an nVidia card and proprietary driver.
17:26 Calinou grrk-bzzt, did you post on the forums about it?
17:26 Calinou there seem to be at least 2 users with the same problem as you
17:26 grrk-bzzt No
17:26 grrk-bzzt Ok
17:28 grrk-bzzt Calinou, you are right, I have this problem https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7828
17:28 grrk-bzzt Glad to see I'm not alone.
17:30 Calinou I'm on xubuntu 13.10 with a GTX 570 and nvidia 319.32, irrlicht 1.8.0, no problems
17:30 Calinou does it work for anyone with 1.8.1 irrlicht?
17:30 thexyz grrk-bzzt: what nvidia driver version do you have?
17:31 Calinou someone else on the forums had a similar problem with a 331 driver
17:32 thexyz I hope they do reboot after upgrading video card driver
17:32 thexyz I have 331.20 here (gentoo) and can't confirm the issue
17:33 thexyz did they tried building minetest from source?
17:33 grrk-bzzt thexyz, I have the exact same value as the post on the forum
17:34 grrk-bzzt thexyz, I'm experiencing this issue with both 0.4.8 and when compiling from source
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17:34 grrk-bzzt And, yes thexyz, I do reboot after driver and kernel upgrade
17:34 thexyz grrk-bzzt: do you experience this issue with other irrlicht-based software?
17:34 thexyz grrk-bzzt: can you test other minetest versions?
17:34 thexyz i.e. 0.3
17:35 grrk-bzzt I can't think of another irrlicht software except Minetest
17:35 grrk-bzzt yes I can thexyz
17:36 john_minetest grrk-bzzt: tuxcart
17:36 reactor ?
17:36 john_minetest tuxcart runs on irrlicht
17:36 john_minetest also a few other games but I forgot which ones.
17:36 reactor But what is tuxkart?
17:37 rubenwardy Hi all
17:37 john_minetest Mario cart with Open Source Mascots.
17:37 grrk-bzzt john_minetest, I'll try STK right away
17:38 Calinou john_minetest, supertuxkart
17:38 Calinou tuxcard is very, very old and abandoned
17:40 thexyz Calinou: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/​1reyu6/minetest_048_released/cdmp0xd?context=3
17:40 Jordach ugh.....
17:40 thexyz what do those people want ;_;
17:40 thexyz spoonfeeding them was a mistake apparently
17:41 thexyz back to /a/
17:42 * Jordach is feeling like minetest-0.4.8-dev
17:42 Jordach unstable
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17:43 grrk-bzzt STK runs fine
17:43 grrk-bzzt Minetest 0.3 can't compile
17:43 grrk-bzzt I'll try with 0.4.0
17:43 Jordach grrk-bzzt, use 0.4.8
17:44 Jordach 0.3 doesn't compile due to issues with GCC
17:44 Jordach try http://minetest-classic.com
17:44 grrk-bzzt Jordach, that's weird, what happenned?
17:44 john_minetest Calinou: I didn't know there was "Tuxkart". I meant "Supertuxkart" but thought it was the same
17:44 grrk-bzzt What is Minetest Classic? What is it supposed to be?
17:44 Jordach grrk-bzzt, it became incompatible due to compiler changes
17:45 Jordach grrk-bzzt, updated 0.3 rfork
17:45 thexyz oh minetest classic
17:46 grrk-bzzt That's strange that a compiler change breaks a game like Minetest.
17:46 grrk-bzzt Was Minetest using some weird tricks?
17:46 rubenwardy Time for some C++ parsing!
17:46 Jordach grrk-bzzt, it's also using an outdated jthread, classic uses the latest
17:46 thexyz lol http://forum.minetest-clas​sic.com/viewforum.php?id=4
17:47 thexyz grrk-bzzt: can you pastebin the error you get?
17:47 grrk-bzzt thexyz, which one?
17:48 thexyz <grrk-bzzt> Minetest 0.3 can't compile
17:50 grrk-bzzt Well that's weird
17:51 john_minetest thexyz: Lol, forum spammed :P
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17:52 grrk-bzzt Hum so
17:53 grrk-bzzt 0.4.0 is compiling and shows no graphical error
17:53 grrk-bzzt Still it label itself as "0.4.8"
17:53 grrk-bzzt Anyway
17:53 sapier Any volonteers for betatesting upcoming animals modpack 2.3 release (2.2.90 is beta test)
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17:57 grrk-bzzt thexyz, http://0bin.net/paste/Cx97YE-GbUE+Msru#Ccj​FRAHJwVPGadrw2lCLNsG6Qv/84qtAimlmm2EOgFE=
17:57 EvergreenTree grrk-bzzt,  use http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
17:58 grrk-bzzt Why?
17:58 EvergreenTree nvm
17:58 thexyz grrk-bzzt: meh, I guess Irrlicht is not really backwards compatible
17:58 grrk-bzzt Maybe
17:59 thexyz you can of course check different 0.4 releases
17:59 thexyz grrk-bzzt: can you enter the game?
18:00 thexyz oh, I see, it crashes
18:00 grrk-bzzt Yes
18:00 grrk-bzzt So, I don't know how to help you fix that
18:00 thexyz I guess it worked fine in the past?
18:01 grrk-bzzt Yes
18:02 thexyz and perhaps you have an idea after which update it started failing?
18:05 thexyz Calinou: thanks <3
18:06 Calinou thanks for what? :p
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18:08 Jordach > reactos/developer/unC0Rr
18:08 Jordach REACT OS EVERYBODY
18:08 unC0Rr O_o
18:08 unC0Rr I'm mostly hedgewars developer actually
18:08 unC0Rr haven't contributed to reactos much
18:09 Jordach unC0Rr, i occasionally play hedgewars
18:09 reactor React OS sucks balls.
18:09 reactor Why clone crap?
18:09 unC0Rr how do you like?
18:10 reactor I don't like the idea of reimplementing a bad operating system.
18:10 unC0Rr it isn't bad
18:10 Jordach unC0Rr, run virtualbox inside react os and install windows :>
18:10 Jordach so i heard you like windows, so i out windows in your windows
18:10 reactor It is bad, and rewrite is not gonna fix it.
18:10 unC0Rr haha :D
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18:12 rubenwardy grrk-bzzt is using -j1. As a general rule you should use -j(number of cores)+1. Does that mean grrk-bzzt has 0 cores?
18:12 Jordach monopoly anyone?
18:13 thexyz reactor: please no bully
18:14 unC0Rr speaking of minetest, 0.4.8 crashes for me in brand new world when I punch a tree
18:14 unC0Rr 11:35:27: ACTION[ServerThread]: singleplayer digs default:tree at (-9,7,-20)
18:14 unC0Rr Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
18:14 unC0Rr (gdb) bt
18:14 unC0Rr #0  0x0a19113a in ?? () from C:\WINDOWS\system32\ig4dev32.dll
18:14 unC0Rr that's it
18:14 grrk-bzzt rubenwardy, I always compile with -j(cores+1) but compiling with more that one core usually mess up the output when there's a compiling error.
18:15 Jordach Exio4, monopoly?
18:15 grrk-bzzt (error, not warning)
18:16 grrk-bzzt Why are people talking about ReactOS here?
18:16 sapier ig4dev?
18:16 reactor Magnetic monopole? Good luck finding it!
18:16 unC0Rr I have no idea what that lib is
18:16 Jordach !g "ig4dev32.dll"
18:16 unC0Rr I just downloaded windows binary from the site and tried to play
18:16 MinetestBot Jordach: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12126​341/opengl-error-unhandled-exception-at-​0x0251d09f-ig4dev32-dll-in-gltest-exe-0x
18:17 Jordach unC0Rr, ^
18:17 grrk-bzzt I'm not trying to be mean but, the concept of Russian developpers building an operating system that is binary-compatible with Windows actually makes me laygh.
18:17 thexyz why?
18:18 unC0Rr Jordach: I definitely have graphics drivers installed, in hedgewars I get hardware acceleration, quake 3 has 125 fps too
18:18 unC0Rr but yeah, intel driver
18:18 grrk-bzzt Because on one hand, Russia is well known for software piracy. And that operating system sounds like the perfect legal trick not to pay Windows but kinda using it.
18:18 grrk-bzzt And on the other hand… well it's a pretty terrible idea to "clone windows" as unC0Rr said.
18:18 unC0Rr I didn't say that
18:19 grrk-bzzt It's the idea, sorry for misquoting.
18:19 thexyz and wine sounds like the perfect legal trick not to pay windows but kinda using it
18:19 thexyz and linux sounds like the perfect legal trick not to pay windows but kinda using it
18:19 thexyz and
18:19 thexyz and I don't understand all that hate over reactos
18:19 unC0Rr not to pay unix*
18:19 grrk-bzzt I probably expressed myself wrong.
18:19 unC0Rr people like to hate
18:19 grrk-bzzt Nevermind.
18:20 unC0Rr have no idea what is the thing they hate
18:20 thexyz moreover, people say crap like "they should do that instead" (s/that/contribute to wine/, although they already do)
18:20 unC0Rr having*
18:20 thexyz it's good to know that reactos devs are mature enough to ignore those people
18:21 grrk-bzzt You have strong support for that OS thexyz?
18:21 EvergreenTree Calinou, want to play monopoly?
18:21 thexyz it's a nice open source project which definitely contributes to the enhancement of the society so why not support it?
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18:22 grrk-bzzt I don't see it that way but ok.
18:22 grrk-bzzt I was expecting you telling me you use it actually.
18:22 grrk-bzzt I never met someone using ReactOS to be honnest.
18:22 * Jordach neither
18:23 unC0Rr because it isn't stable enough
18:23 grrk-bzzt And so, if it was stable?
18:23 Jordach i've used the VM to piss around in, but no full time usage
18:23 thexyz and the hate goes on
18:23 unC0Rr if it was stable, I guess many people would use it
18:24 grrk-bzzt I'm really asking questions thexyz I know little about ReactOS.
18:24 unC0Rr there are already some projects I heard of which use reactos to run limited amount of software
18:24 unC0Rr some specialized devices
18:25 unC0Rr but really, I'm not the right person to talk about recent reactos activity to
18:25 unC0Rr I don't follow its development for maybe 3 or 4 years already
18:26 Calinou EvergreenTree, ok
18:26 Calinou Jordach, gimme link to your capitalism build
18:26 Calinou I'm on desktop
18:26 grrk-bzzt ??
18:26 Jordach EvergreenTree, leave game
18:26 EvergreenTree I did
18:27 EvergreenTree grrk-bzzt, playing monopoly
18:27 VanessaE bbl
18:27 grrk-bzzt I realised that a little late
18:27 EvergreenTree cya
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19:02 dafull97 heys guys
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19:05 iqualfragile hello dafull97
19:06 dafull97 Hello iqualfragile
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19:08 rubenwardy NODEBOX name -0.5 -0.5 -0.5 0.5 0.5 0.5
19:08 rubenwardy what is the best way to extract "name" and the numbers?
19:08 rubenwardy split, or something else?
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19:09 iqualfragile rubenwardy: in that case? i guess split would be allright
19:09 rubenwardy it is cpp, mind
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19:13 jojoa1997 hi
19:15 Jordach jojoa1997, check forum pms
19:15 jojoa1997 k
19:16 jojoa1997 oh i already saw your pm but cant test it atm or soon
19:19 * Jordach needs to rest
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19:37 rubenwardy The load parser works!
19:44 rubenwardy Wooo ho!
19:45 sapier load parser?
19:46 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=119618#p119618
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19:54 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
19:54 rubenwardy Hi!
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20:02 rubenwardy bye all
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20:27 iqualfragile hi PilzAdam
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20:46 Eadword Hello, I am trying to figure out how to get 100% out of a geothermal generator, the only instructions I could find say to put the water and lava on opposite corners but I can only get one water and one lava directly across from each other without creating obsidian and it only generate 25% because of it.
20:46 Eadword sorry, not corners, faces
20:52 PilzAdam are you talking about a special mod?
20:53 Eadword Yes, the Techic mod
20:53 PilzAdam there are some mods that only turn lava in obsidian when its directly touching water IIRC
20:54 Eadword What seems to happen is when they are only touching by a corner the lava becomes obsidian yet this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsAJ-ux-Ryk must be out of date since it does not have that problem, I set it up exactly like that.
21:00 Calinou EvergreenTree, Jordach, monopoly?
21:00 EvergreenTree I think Jordach is sleeping
21:01 Calinou ok
21:01 Calinou I started one
21:01 PilzAdam Eadword, as I said, there are mods that change this behaviour
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21:04 Eadword We did not add any that we know of that would change it, I am assuming therefor that we need to add one to change it, could you tell me the name pelase
21:05 Eadword *please
21:05 PilzAdam I dont know the name, but Im pretty sure there is one
21:05 Eadword OK, thanks
21:05 PilzAdam I guess VanessaE knows it
21:10 Calinou I have a monopoly game started if anyone wants to join
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21:57 BlockMen bye everyone
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22:02 john_minetest Is minetest_classic the only fork of minetest?
22:02 john_minetest (real fork, not git fork)
22:06 EvergreenTree john_minetest, It might be
22:09 john_minetest I am not sure about the future of minetest_classic. One of the main advantages of minetest is, that everything can be scripted.
22:09 EvergreenTree I think it is going along quite well
22:10 EvergreenTree and also, #minetest-classic
22:12 john_minetest I was there.
22:12 john_minetest I git clone'd minetest-classic. On my PC it doesn't make any difference.
22:12 john_minetest Woah, the mpv music player is AWESOME!!!
22:13 john_minetest Playing youtube videos with half speed :)
22:14 john_minetest dubstep sounds so funny
22:15 john_minetest and let's players sound so stupid when pitched up
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23:27 PilzAdam bye
23:41 VanessaE Specifically, gloopblocks changes the behavior of lava/water so avoid the corner-to-corner cooling bug.
23:42 VanessaE and yes, it's a bug if lava cools like that without actually touching water.
23:56 Partmedia o.o somebody redesigned the website?
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