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01:37 Peacock could we replace lua error (null) with PC LOAD LETTER? would at least provide comic relief if not useful information :P
01:38 VanessaE /dev/lp0 on fire
01:39 Peacock lol ive tracked down my error to one function, but for lack of details, this could take awhile XD
01:42 EvergreenTree lol:
01:42 EvergreenTree <EvergreenTree> Also, last sunday we had some tornados in the midwest
01:42 EvergreenTree <EvergreenTree> I'm lucky my house didn't get destroyed
01:42 EvergreenTree <Jordach> did you make sure you sudo house
01:42 EvergreenTree <Jordach> because then you're house is rooted...
01:42 EvergreenTree was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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01:42 EvergreenTree I got owned
01:42 VanessaE yeah but tornadoes have a tendency to uproot trees...... ;)
01:42 EvergreenTree Thanks a lot MinetestBot.   :P
01:42 Peacock be thankful it wasn't a sharknado
01:43 EvergreenTree I honestly think a sharknado would have been more interesting
01:44 Peacock well you might have tornados in the midwest, but compared to english weather and cooking, i'd rather take my chances with a tornado/sharknado XD
01:45 EvergreenTree I've heard the weather in england is pretty crappy
01:45 Peacock foggy, soggy and rainy
01:45 EvergreenTree Someone I know said barbecues are a special occasion
01:45 EvergreenTree It stops raining, GET OUT THE BARBECUE SAUCE!
01:45 VanessaE heh
01:46 EvergreenTree Have to go now, see you guys later
01:46 VanessaE bye
01:49 ShadowNinja Peacock: Are you using latest? My pcall_errfunc patch might help with that.
01:50 Peacock i figured out the problem, it was a namespace thing
01:50 Peacock im used to writing functions like: local fname = function()
01:50 Peacock but i copied a function fname()
01:50 Peacock and didn't notice it was global
01:50 VanessaE ShadowNinja: isn't that merged yet?
01:52 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Yes, it is, but only recently. That's why I asked him if he was using latest.
01:52 ShadowNinja Peacock: "local function fname()"
01:52 Peacock yeah but like i said, i usually write them the other way :P
01:52 VanessaE oh ok
01:52 Peacock (hence why i didn't notice)
01:52 * VanessaE <--- slow
01:53 * Peacock attaches jumper cables to V
01:53 Peacock that should give a speed boost
01:53 VanessaE of course, Peacock has a habit of using year-old versions of the game......
01:53 VanessaE s/game/engine/
01:53 VanessaE ;)
01:53 Peacock why not, less broken stuff in those lol
01:54 Peacock judging from the logs there's still disagreement about weather and finite being included
01:54 VanessaE less cool stuff too
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01:55 Peacock well if theres' one thing i realized playing MT classic is that you don't always need the latest and greatest to have a good gaming experience
01:55 Peacock even you noticed the performance, thats why i started a new game from scratch (space)
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02:14 MinetestBot GIT: metaducky AT gmail DOT com commited to minetest/minetest: fix gettext compile issues under win32 0930911efa 2013-11-18T18:11:52-08:00 http://git.io/hsQzfA
02:14 VanessaE ho the fuck metaducky?
02:14 VanessaE who*
02:14 VanessaE :)
02:14 Peacock metaducky is a hoe XD
02:15 VanessaE he's a farming implement?
02:15 VanessaE :P
02:16 Peacock well hopefully someone implements tractors soon so that joke can get old lol
02:16 Peacock hoes/hoes i mean lol
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03:06 Peacock done, i solved my space probe problem with an lvm scanner http://s23.postimg.org/ai7qxvo6z/​Screenshot_181113_10_01_07_PM.png
03:06 VanessaE a map mod?
03:07 Peacock 4aiman's mapp, modified to use lvm, offer a larger view and move (like google maps)
03:07 VanessaE nice
03:07 VanessaE release that bastard so the rest of us can play with it :)_
03:08 Peacock doesn't pa have a map or radar mod already?
03:09 VanessaE don't remember
03:11 Peacock i dont know how much use this would be for non space mods, it doesn't work the same way as 4aiman's original
03:11 Peacock *non space games
03:11 Peacock or maps
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03:15 paramat O_O full moon
03:15 VanessaE hi
03:15 Peacock time to feed on helpless pedestrians
03:18 paramat morning :) it is here in the UK, im up early? ... er very late?
03:18 Peacock well i awoke at 19hrs lol
03:31 paramat P, these shadow glitches you see in asteroid lvm/pm, could they be shadows from asteroids above which have been generated but have not yet appeared because the player has not 'looked' at them yet? Also  perhaps test with +16 -16 removed from 'calc lighting'?
03:31 Peacock do i need p1/p2 at all? it doesnt say so in the api.txt
03:32 Peacock did you find any such shadows yourself?
03:32 paramat relevant discussion on shadows http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2013-11-17#i_3440850 could be a problem
03:33 paramat i didnt find glitchy shadows in the pre-LVM version
03:33 paramat if there was a shadow there was something above casting it
03:33 * paramat looks at code
03:34 Peacock well it's definately something to do with calc_lighting
03:35 Peacock i wish we could simply disable shadows all together, they've never worked properly lol
03:35 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/s84lxBY.png
03:38 paramat yeah api.txt doesnt mention p1,p2, but those seem to be required in use
03:40 paramat so it seems possible shadows will get glitchy and ugly in an asteroid realm :(
03:42 paramat "set_lighting(light):  Set the lighting within the VoxelManip" interesting ...
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04:35 paramat Peacock, hmm-mm's LVM example has "minetest.set_mapgen_params({mgname="singlenode", flags="nolight", flagmask="nolight"})" at the beginning, not certain what 'nolight' does but might help
04:36 Peacock yeah, just noticed while exploring, when i go below y <0, all the asteroids are dark
04:37 Peacock (another example of minetest being hardcoded for one game lol)
04:39 Peacock do you know how i'd set it to not get fugly shadows on the lower half of the map?
04:45 Peacock is it wise to set SCAL5 any lower than 16? or should i rather reduce ORECHA?
04:47 paramat no idea about dark asteroids, i think we may need hmm-mm's help :)
04:48 paramat SCAL5 less than 16 will make the perlin ore distribution too fine, i would say 32-128, i chose 128 to create asteroids rich in particular ores
04:49 paramat since asteroids are apparently super rich in ores an ORECHA of 3*3*3 mght be a good idea
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04:50 paramat noise5 now varies from -1 to 1 in asteroid lvm/pm so you should adjust your ore noise ranges accordingly
04:50 Peacock the thing is i need each asteroid to have a variety of ores, maybe not all 7 of them, but 4-5 would be good
04:51 paramat OCTA5 = 1 means noise varies from -1 to 1
04:51 Peacock thats already done :-)
04:51 Peacock i adapted your 0.11 lvmversion
04:52 paramat ah okay SCAL5 defines the distance over which you will find all ores (roughly)
04:52 paramat so i would go 32 or 64
04:53 Peacock i set scal5 to 16 and orecha to 3pow3, im just looking now for a big asteroid to scan it for ores
04:54 paramat you certainly need the singlenode mapgen to disable normal landscape at y = 0
04:54 paramat otherwise the normal terrain is generated then immediately removed by asteroid mod
04:54 Peacock yeah, whats even weirder is sometimes i arrive at a new area, the asteroid is dark and parts of it lighten up
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05:15 GNADev|zRokh hi
05:16 GNADev|zRokh biggums, i want to pay Pokemon with somebody (via emulation)!
05:16 GNADev|zRokh who's up for it?
05:16 GNADev|zRokh i have a lvl 42 Charizard, 17 Machomp...
05:16 GNADev|zRokh those are the main ones :D
05:16 GNADev|zRokh others are about 5-11
05:17 paramat Peacock, add the first 3 lines of this code http://pastebin.com/x0DFYXQD into asteroid mod just before the on-gen function, this will make the mod force singlenode mapgen
05:18 paramat perhaps that will help with lighting too
05:18 GNADev|zRokh paramat, when you look in a trainers eyes you have to fight! O.O
05:19 paramat thanks GNAD for the invite but not interested :)
05:19 GNADev|zRokh it's GNADev
05:19 GNADev|zRokh GNA Dev
05:19 VanessaE meh, go to a pokemon channel for that
05:19 GNADev|zRokh not GNAD
05:19 GNADev|zRokh ok :D
05:20 GNADev|zRokh #pokemon is empty......
05:20 Peacock speakings of gnads, my wife hit me in the gnads yesterday, it hurt :(
05:21 paramat heh
05:21 VanessaE Peacock: she has good aim ;)
05:21 Peacock this is why i dont like her assisting me in the kitchen lol
05:21 Peacock at leas the pan wasn't warm lol
05:22 GNADev|zRokh yeah, i bet she does cause like i said, you have a peacock...
05:23 paramat hmmmm, sorry to disturb you, any thoughts on the last 2 hours of mapgen chat? ^^^
05:23 Peacock well GNA, at least i have someone else than my mother to blow me ;p
05:24 GNADev|zRokh my mom is like 250km from me...
05:24 GNADev|zRokh so nah dood...
05:24 GNADev|zRokh i'm 14 and i dunz need blowjobs yet
05:24 Peacock then you're having less fun than i was at 14 lol
05:25 GNADev|zRokh no, im just not a rapist
05:25 GNADev|zRokh VanessaE, Like dis chat? :DF
05:25 Peacock ive heard alot of things from geeks, abstinence, asexuality, but rape-avoidance is a new excuse for not getting laid lol
05:26 GNADev|zRokh what if i told you that i'm not a slut? nor am i a player
05:26 Peacock so you don't get laid :P thats a common marker for every troll i've met
05:27 * GNADev|zRokh isnt a troll, he just doesnt let every single mother fucker push him around
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05:27 Peacock is that referring to women or people on the internets?
05:28 Peacock in both case i'd say, size issues
05:28 GNADev|zRokh all of dem single assholes ;)
05:28 GNADev|zRokh wut? srsly?
05:28 GNADev|zRokh you'r gonna talk to a 14 year old about size?
05:29 GNADev|zRokh oh snap!
05:29 Peacock 14? the who's picture were you using on the forums?
05:29 Peacock *then
05:29 GNADev|zRokh that's me like 3 years ago
05:30 GNADev|zRokh wanna see my new one? that i did a month ago?
05:30 GNADev|zRokh http://ask.fm/RagnarLaud
05:30 Peacock the forum pic looked like a balding 30 year old
05:30 GNADev|zRokh why should i put you'r photo as my avatar?
05:31 Peacock sure go ahead
05:31 GNADev|zRokh with what/?
05:32 Peacock well you're gonna have to fire up the old brain and figure that one out yourself
05:32 GNADev|zRokh ok, let me say this:
05:33 GNADev|zRokh You'r answer to a question was not valid. Please try again.
05:33 Peacock i already knew you're special ed
05:33 GNADev|zRokh MANKEY!!! :D
05:33 GNADev|zRokh i'm not ed you dumbass
05:34 GNADev|zRokh this is like a trainer battle... i have a lvl 42 Charizard and you has a lvl 11 Pidgey...
05:34 GNADev|zRokh and everybody knows that you can not run from a trainer battle! :D
05:35 GNADev|zRokh you know your gonna lose, but you just don't give up
05:35 Peacock well if i could speak ghey i'd know what you're talking about
05:35 GNADev|zRokh ghey?
05:36 Peacock pokemon, that's furries right?
05:36 GNADev|zRokh i dont speak ghey (whatever it is), i speak almost perfect English nigga!
05:36 GNADev|zRokh both grammar and spelling
05:36 GNADev|zRokh and to you, my good sir, i say this:
05:36 GNADev|zRokh Suck-a-dick, Gavin, Suck-a-dick!
05:37 Peacock on behalf of the gay nigra association, we thank you
05:37 GNADev|zRokh oh, so you're a gay nigga?
05:38 GNADev|zRokh you're a disgrace to all black people that walk the earth
05:38 Peacock lol
05:38 GNADev|zRokh was kicked by VanessaE: say wut?
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05:38 Peacock that was easy
05:38 GNADev|zRokh don't you dare, she started it
05:39 GNADev|zRokh that's what i wanted to say (maybe got to) before i got kicked
05:39 Peacock i've been trained in the advanced arts of counter-trolling, resistance is futile
05:39 GNADev|zRokh Peacock: that's what she said
05:40 Peacock we're not talking about your mother
05:40 GNADev|zRokh [07:38] <Peacock> that was easy [07:39] <GNADev|zRokh> Peacock: that's what she said
05:40 GNADev|zRokh so suck it
05:40 VanessaE knock it off, both of you
05:40 GNADev|zRokh tell it to her!
05:41 GNADev|zRokh dat bitch
05:41 Peacock lol aiight i've had my fun
05:41 NakedFury most of us are troll proof here
05:41 GNADev|zRokh yeah, whatever, if you think fainting you'r 6 pokemon is fun then i'm no guy to say it isnt... <:o
05:42 VanessaE and for the record, your grammar sucks.  bad.
05:42 Peacock im not into bestiality, so discussing pokemon is pointless
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05:42 NakedFury yeah low level troll
05:43 VanessaE NakedFury: the force is weak in this one.
05:43 GNADev|zRokh VanessaE, dunz think so, i have like 20 friends that live in Tennessee and who i see every summer... they never complain
05:43 Peacock my Keylsey Grammar is strong
05:43 Peacock *Kelsey
05:44 GNADev|zRokh lvl 65 > lvl 14, no shit
05:44 VanessaE I spotted at least 7 glaring grammar errors in that one sentence.
05:44 GNADev|zRokh what sentence?
05:44 Peacock Tennessee? LOL so who's going to your and your cousins' wedding/
05:44 VanessaE (not that I'm a whole lot better, but I don't go 'round saying my English is perfect, either)
05:45 GNADev|zRokh bunz == don't...
05:45 GNADev|zRokh i speak like that all the time
05:45 GNADev|zRokh dunz*
05:45 Peacock Dunn's Smoked Meat sandwiches
05:45 VanessaE [11-19 00:43] <GNADev|zRokh> VanessaE, [1] dunz[2] think so, i[3] have like 20[4] friends that[5] live in Tennessee[6] and who[7] i[8] see every summer...[9] they[10] never complain[11]
05:45 Peacock lol
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05:46 GNADev|zRokh i never said it was perfect, i said it was almost perfect...
05:46 GNADev|zRokh what's the difference between i and I?
05:46 GNADev|zRokh nothing really...
05:46 Peacock whereas i'm godlike, bow before my greatness
05:46 GNADev|zRokh sorry, I'm mot gay
05:47 Peacock i said bow, not bend over like your normally do
05:47 GNADev|zRokh hey, maybe ask NakedFury to suck you'r balls?
05:47 Peacock but then he'd have to displace your mother
05:47 NakedFury ill pass
05:47 Peacock lol
05:47 Peacock thank god
05:47 Peacock no offense :P
05:47 GNADev|zRokh sure, Peacock, everybody knows that she loves sex with random people
05:47 Peacock well wasn't that how you were conceived?
05:47 GNADev|zRokh just I'm not going to insult her
05:48 GNADev|zRokh no, it wasnt...
05:48 VanessaE 1:  failure to capitalize the first word of the sentence proper.  2.  dunz is not a word.  3.  failure to capitalize "I".  4.  failure to spell-out a single-word numericla value.  5. using 'that' where 'who' is called for.  6.  Missing comma.  7. arguable, who vs. whom.  8, failure to capitalize "I".  9, failure to end the sentence with a period (ellipses are not warranted here).  10, Failure to capitalize the first word of th
05:48 Peacock oh right she was paid
05:48 VanessaE e sentence.  11, missing period, again.
05:48 GNADev|zRokh i'll let you know that my dad was the first one my mom had
05:48 VanessaE so there.
05:48 VanessaE (and of course I invoke Muphry's Law here)
05:49 GNADev|zRokh Ok, VanessaE, How is this? Is this better? Because I think it is.
05:49 GNADev|zRokh oh fuck...... the how was capitalized.... :D
05:49 VanessaE FAIL.
05:50 Peacock lol
05:50 VanessaE You also started a sentence with 'because'.
05:50 VanessaE :P
05:50 Peacock the proper would be 'cuz'
05:50 Peacock as in "i married my cuzin in Tennessee" which you'll be needing later :P
05:51 GNADev|zRokh Peacock: cuz is not a word
05:51 GNADev|zRokh Talk about faulty grammar.
05:51 VanessaE FAIL x2 :)
05:51 GNADev|zRokh I don't live in Tennessee, I live in Estonia
05:51 VanessaE FAIL x3
05:51 GNADev|zRokh .
05:51 GNADev|zRokh fuck you, VanessaE.
05:51 VanessaE FAIL x4
05:51 VanessaE :D
05:52 paramat *sigh*
05:52 GNADev|zRokh i don't give a shit! i've got to go, the bus is leaving in 15 minutes
05:52 GNADev|zRokh See you later, mother fuckers.
05:52 VanessaE then go, and stop by a library on your way
05:53 Peacock lol
05:53 VanessaE Pick up a book on remedial English grammar. :D
05:53 GNADev|zRokh No thanks, don't read that much.
05:53 VanessaE It shows. :P
05:53 GNADev|zRokh my English (grammar and other) is A, Math is A, Physics is B+..
05:54 GNADev|zRokh my Estonian is a B
05:54 Peacock yeah but who uses Estonian? lol
05:54 GNADev|zRokh And that's because i dont speak it that much
05:54 GNADev|zRokh I do, because I live in Estonia, you Dumbass!
05:54 VanessaE Peacock: That's some country off north of Outer Mongolia or something, isn't it? :)
05:54 GNADev|zRokh no, it;s between Finland and Latvia
05:54 Peacock yeah i think they were either pwned by the soviets or the americans at some point
05:54 GNADev|zRokh well bye
05:55 * VanessaE makes an invisible chalk mark in the "win" column.
05:55 Peacock If there's somethin' strange in your neighborhood
05:55 Peacock Who ya gonna call (trollbusters)
05:56 Peacock pizza's here, this was fun, but bbl :P
05:57 VanessaE cya
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06:15 hmmmm shit
06:15 hmmmm paramat just left I was going to answer him
06:15 hmmmm the answers to the questions:
06:16 hmmmm the lua documentation doesn't mention the minp and maxp parameters to calc_lighting because they're not existing any longer.  i removed them because the lua modder would never need that sort of power and it'd only serve to screw up the lighting, i'm not sure if a modder can use it a way other than i originally had it that'd work as intended
06:16 VanessaE your timing is impeccable, as always ;)
06:17 hmmmm set_lighting sets lighting in the voxelmanip exactly to the light you specify, does not calculate
06:17 hmmmm the nolight flag is a mapgen parameter that disables all lighting computations, which is very helpful for when you're doing a total mapgen replacement in lua
06:19 hmmmm in order to not get lighting glitches, you have to either set the nolight flag or call vmanip:set_lighting({day=0, night=0}) before calling vmanip:calc_lighting() in order to get correct lighting results
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07:01 paramat thanks hmm-mm :)
07:01 * paramat reads ...
07:02 paramat oh and this http://i.imgur.com/m9FDu9A.png
07:03 VanessaE paramat: idk why but there's something appealing about that 'vertical' realm
07:03 VanessaE I like it
07:03 paramat good
07:03 paramat swimming up the water is fun
07:03 paramat its also v disorientating to fly over this realm
07:04 paramat oops (very)
07:04 VanessaE I imagine so :)
07:04 VanessaE now if only you could figure out how to redirect gravity :)
07:04 VanessaE those ringworld realms would be more viable
07:11 paramat yeah a square ringworld would be great :)
07:13 VanessaE who said it has to be square? :)
07:13 VanessaE imagine trying to walk over land that's tilted roughly 45 degrees :)
07:13 VanessaE imagine trying to RENDER said landscape :)
07:17 VanessaE bbl. bedtime.
07:28 troller paramat, you must enable liquid_finite ;)
07:28 troller ans floating sand
07:37 paramat aha sand should be non falling, thanks
07:39 paramat (... actually i see it is already, good)
07:49 paramat looks like EU is waking up ... are there 2 core devs here that would like to finally update the wieldhand with this texture? https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/issues/218
07:49 paramat I'll be submitting a matching character skin soon
07:52 paramat both the wieldhand and character skin urgently need updating, lets do it for 0.4.8! =)
07:53 paramat "hey Ma! ... moon's goin' down!"
08:11 paramat Peacock, see hmm-mm's lighting advice earlier in this channel (in case you didnt) :)
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09:18 proller http://jsfiddle.net/uzMPU/
09:47 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Have a Bad Day Day! :-/
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12:30 sfan5 hi everyone
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12:39 pitriss sfan5: hi:)
12:40 pitriss sfan5: Please can you point me to some repo with that local save feature?
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12:44 pitriss ah, i probably found it.. it is separate branch
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14:23 BlockMen hi everyone
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14:43 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Fix modmanager screenshot path 0c8bf7cf94 2013-11-19T06:39:40-08:00 http://git.io/umNzDw
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16:07 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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16:20 issa2013 hello
16:27 sfan5 Apple includes 72 PNGs with different color iPod nano 7G models in the firmware of the iPod nano 7G
16:29 issa2013 burn apple
16:29 sfan5 no
16:29 sfan5 apple is nice
16:30 sfan5 unlike microsoft they open sources of their OS
16:30 issa2013 apple microsoft sucks
16:30 issa2013 just linux rocks
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16:33 Jordach issa2013, if there wasn't the other companies, Linux wouldn't exist
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16:33 Jordach Linux was born out of a need for freedom
16:34 * sfan5 agrees
16:34 issa2013 no companies just communities
16:34 issa2013 this the best things communities of pasion people
16:34 Peacock no companies? lol i aint touching that one
16:35 PilzAdam issa2013, because of people like you people think that Free Software is Communism
16:36 Jordach Peacock, if Windows didn't exist, Linux would follow suit
16:36 issa2013 like american people thinks france is communisme
16:36 Jordach Calinou, ^ troll alarm
16:36 issa2013 ah ah ah
16:36 Calinou hi
16:36 Peacock let's just say alot of corporate money went into unix and linux, some of the best oss apps have corporate funding :P
16:37 Calinou <sfan5> apple is nice
16:37 Calinou <sfan5> unlike microsoft they open sources of their OS
16:37 VanessaE hi
16:37 Calinou they don't
16:37 Peacock and, communism != socialism
16:37 issa2013 sorry PilzAdam i prefer comunities of people loke captialism
16:37 Calinou both iOS and OS X are proprietary in the vast majority ;)
16:38 sfan5 Calinou: are you sure? http://opensource.apple.com/release/os-x-109/
16:38 sfan5 they even opened their OS kernel
16:38 Calinou their kernel, yes
16:38 Calinou their apps are all proprietary, so is their browser
16:38 Calinou and they use a proprietary mentality
16:39 sfan5 that's right, but they still have waay more open src stuff than M$
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16:40 Calinou yeah
16:40 Timoteo their browser engine (webkit) is open source as well
16:41 Peacock big bad MS lol while IBM gives alot of money to open source now, back in the 30's they also sold tech to the nazis, so how does that square in the matrix of evil?
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16:42 Calinou Timoteo: engine only :P
16:42 Calinou same for Google Chrome
16:43 Calinou (but we have Chromium here)
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16:46 * Jordach finally has some upgrades for his blender model that happen to be worthwhile
16:47 Peacock a monobreast to make it unisex? :P
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16:55 reactor o/
16:55 reactor OldCoder: anything new?
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17:22 dafull97 hey guys
17:23 Peacock greets
17:24 dafull97 Peacock, how ya been?
17:26 Peacock sleep deprived lol but i have to stay up and wait for the plumber
17:26 Peacock u?
17:27 dafull97 nice, haha... in school wish i could just be home hahah
17:29 Peacock at least you get to sleep XD lol
17:31 dafull97 haha, not in school =P
17:32 reactor ?
17:37 dafull97 ?
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17:54 OldCoder reactor, I worked about 14 hours yesterday at IRL work. Tired. World is upgraded. Next steps are (1) ask people to try new git client to debug the load time lockup (2) gather information about the places (3) wait for additional tweaks by you (4) clone the world and make a read-write version
17:54 reactor mk
17:54 reactor It is safe to do (4) before (2) and (3).
17:55 reactor Because I'm slow as molasses.
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17:57 CraigyDavi Hey, would anyone know it it is possible to have different minetest.config's for different worlds?
17:58 reactor Why not?
17:58 rubenwardy Hi all
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18:00 CraigyDavi I am trying to have server config in a different file. Or would I just create new minetest if I wanted to run two servers?
18:00 Menche you can run it with the different config file with the --config option
18:02 CraigyDavi So for the server shortcut it would be now --server --worldname theworldname --config. And what would I put after that?
18:03 reactor ?
18:03 reactor your login name and password
18:03 Menche the path to the desired config file
18:03 reactor Put that all into a script.
18:03 reactor Don't forget to specify the interpreter: start it with #!/bin/sh
18:04 Menche it's  --config /path/to/config.conf
18:04 reactor Enable execution, and you're ready to go.
18:04 CraigyDavi ok ill try that thanks
18:08 rubenwardy hangay
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18:08 rubenwardy *hungary, is what my brother meant to say
18:09 Peacock im a little hungry too
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18:11 * Calinou is now on HexChat
18:12 Jordach Calinou, explains you joining blender as calinou
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18:12 Peacock congrats lol
18:12 Calinou yeah
18:12 Jordach btw, upgrade to quassel and get a 10% discount on ubuntu premium services
18:12 Peacock quassel still sounds like a pastry
18:12 Calinou 10% only? I want a discount based on the amount of nyancats I discovered!
18:12 Jordach </clearly_trolling>
18:12 Calinou which is, 200 as of today!
18:12 Calinou 100% legit
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18:32 Peacock happy World Toilet Day, dont forget the selfies XD lol
18:34 * Calinou can't do a selfie, he has no phone
18:34 Calinou anyway... a selfie of who?
18:34 Calinou </florent pagny>
18:35 Peacock i was kidding about the selfies lol though i dont know how one celebrates world toilet day
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18:37 Jordach by shitting in the toilet?
18:37 Peacock well thats not really a once-a-year type thing, unless you got problems lol
18:37 Menche eat a whole box of bran flakes?
18:38 Peacock mmm, brain flakes
18:38 Jordach Peacock, unless you happen to be Victoria Beckham...
18:38 Jordach she shits once every 4 years, that's how David knows when a World Cup is coming up
18:38 Peacock who the hells' that? lol
18:38 Jordach :>
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18:39 * Peacock is watching pilot of Almost Human
18:39 Peacock apparently the chinese version is called Almost Hunan
18:40 * Jordach has a prototype finger setup: http://i.imgur.com/EGxGrH2.png
18:41 Peacock sam must have drug debts, his fingers are broken
18:41 Jordach Peacock, prototype currently
18:41 Menche lol
18:41 Peacock you should do a fist with just the middle finger up, for when he's driving carts
18:41 Menche have a variety of hand gesture animations, activated by commands
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18:42 * Menche wonders what the command would be for the single-finger gesture
18:43 Peacock could use a whacking gesture for when someone makes excuses about griefing lol
18:47 Jordach s/whacking/wanking
18:48 Menche of course we'll need a facepalm gesture
18:49 Jordach oh wtf
18:49 Jordach blender just crashed
18:51 * rubenwardy lol'd
18:51 * rubenwardy is listening to GOTYE
18:51 Peacock blender didn't crash, it's a feature
18:51 Peacock to reduce... uhm... RSI lol
18:51 rubenwardy Keeps you on your feet
18:54 john_minetest my blender is *freaking* fast now.
18:54 john_minetest minetest, too
18:54 Jordach john_minetest, new hardware
18:55 Calinou hi john_minetest
18:55 Calinou you have a new PC?
18:55 john_minetest New  hardware
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18:56 john_minetest Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz
18:57 john_minetest VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK106 [GeForce GTX 645 OEM] (rev a1)
18:57 Megaf !up megaf.co.vu 30003
18:57 Megaf Ho john_minetest, do you have a problem with you minetest?
18:57 Megaf Hi*
18:57 MinetestBot megaf.co.vu:30003 seems to be down
18:57 Peacock who you callin a ho, biatch?
18:59 Megaf !up megaf.co.vu 30003
19:00 MinetestBot megaf.co.vu:30003 seems to be down
19:02 Megaf My RPi is doing quite well http://servers.minetest.net/
19:02 Megaf 17 days of age and 13 days of uptime
19:03 Megaf second highest uptime
19:03 Peacock congrats, you win an AOL trial CD :P
19:03 Peacock (they make excellent coasters)
19:03 Jordach Peacock, agreed
19:05 Peacock alternatively, we're offering free vacations at Casa Del Furio (http://www.digitalapoptosis.c​om/archives/india/1star.jpg)
19:05 Peacock (don't drink the tap water) :P
19:07 john_minetest Megaf: No problems. Everything running faster than before :)
19:07 Peacock jesus Zimmerman's in the news again, he must really hate the fact he was acquitted
19:10 Megaf john_minetest, because you updated your hardware?
19:14 sfan5 oh god my php is terrible
19:14 john_minetest Megaf: NVIDIA Corporation GK106 [GeForce GTX 645 OEM] (rev a1) and an Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz, quadcore, 8 threads
19:15 john_minetest Compiling with satisfying speed :)
19:15 Peacock how can anyone's php be bad? they employ almost every concept/method lol even gotos and weird inheritance
19:16 john_minetest gotos are important...
19:16 john_minetest If you use basic.
19:17 john_minetest else these are shit and useless.
19:17 Peacock yeah gotos were all the rage when i was a kid, but then, so were mullets
19:19 Megaf john_minetest, how long does it takes to compile?
19:19 Megaf I have a quad core AMD Phenom II x4 @ 3,2 GHz
19:19 Megaf it takes a couple of minutes to compile
19:20 john_minetest Megaf: Minetest?
19:21 Megaf john_minetest, yep, minetest with minetest_game
19:21 Megaf !up megaf.co.vu 30003
19:22 john_minetest one moment, pulling sources
19:22 MinetestBot megaf.co.vu:30003 seems to be down
19:22 Megaf MinetestBot, lier!
19:23 Calinou john_minetest, lol, that alienware box
19:23 Calinou (I think?)
19:23 Calinou the CPU is good (faster than mine) but the GPU sucks
19:23 john_minetest Calinou: No, it is some other DELL.
19:23 Calinou (it's also OEM-only variant)
19:23 john_minetest called "XPS something"
19:23 Calinou you should have built it, or at least bought the parts yourself
19:24 john_minetest Calinou: My parents were against it.
19:24 Calinou O_o why?
19:25 john_minetest They didn't want me to build together a PC for weeks and stopping to care for university.
19:25 Calinou it doesn't take weeks to do
19:25 Megaf lol
19:25 john_minetest cmake took  real0m0.897s
19:25 Calinou you can get help from many people for choosing the parts, and building is done in less than a day
19:26 Megaf john_minetest, not bad
19:26 Peacock OTS is cheaper than building here, crapware insures that lol
19:26 Megaf ah
19:26 john_minetest now making
19:26 Megaf cmake
19:26 Calinou building isn't cheaper, but you get quality components, like the case or PSU
19:26 Calinou and you know what's in your PC
19:26 Calinou you also don't pay windows tax :p
19:27 Peacock there is no windows tax, what part of crapware did you miss? lol
19:27 Megaf I built my PC myself
19:27 john_minetest Megaf: Compiling in real0m55.564s
19:27 Peacock if anything a computer with linux pre-loaded costs more because you don't have the crapware
19:27 Calinou same, it took me a day to do. it was hard :/
19:28 john_minetest Yeah, often windows pays money to companies so they deliver the PC with windows. So windows pcs are sometimes cheaper.
19:28 Calinou but I guess it'll be easier since I did it once, also I'm quite clumsy
19:28 Calinou Peacock, there's some of it
19:28 Calinou about 40 euros
19:28 Megaf gotta go, see you later
19:28 john_minetest good linux file manager?
19:28 Calinou dell sells ubuntu laptops 30-40 euros cheaper
19:28 Megaf john_minetest, Nautilus and Dolphin
19:28 Calinou john_minetest, thunar
19:28 Calinou Nautlius is for gnome, dolphin for kde, thunar for xfce, pcmanfm for lxde
19:28 Peacock then you're getting ripped off either by the store or your own country's regulations
19:29 john_minetest gah, no gnome
19:29 Peacock here the crapware pays for windows and more, and its easy enough to wipe with a new image
19:29 john_minetest It was astonishingly difficult to install linux on my new PC.
19:29 Calinou if you don't dualboot it is easy peasy
19:29 john_minetest UEFI...
19:29 Calinou you can boot in BIOS mode if you don't dual boot :P
19:30 john_minetest I did boot in bios mode.
19:30 Calinou just create a new partition table in GPT (more modern than MBR), make your partitions, then it's done
19:30 john_minetest But until I found out how exactly to do that and how to use GPT instead of MBR...
19:30 Peacock linux on my p4 was a pain, the first two years there werent any decent drivers for some of my parts, after 4, the drivers werent supported by newer kernels lol (no more binary for the radeon xpress)
19:30 john_minetest German archlinux wiki is terribly outdated on that
19:31 Peacock english archwiki ain't leagues ahead either lol
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19:31 john_minetest new stuff is on english archwiki faster
19:31 Peacock well yeah it stands to reason there are more anglo devs
19:32 Peacock but that doesn't preclude the possibility that some sections are still outdated lol
19:32 john_minetest Archlinux somehow got worse since when I used it last time. Or maybe it just seems so.
19:33 john_minetest Maybe my PC is crap. But a lot of programs don't work properly anymore.
19:33 Peacock naw i had that impression during the last year until i switched to CB
19:33 john_minetest An own distro would solve a lot of problems ;)
19:34 Warr1024 isn't that pretty much what arch is supposed to be?
19:34 Peacock finding the right distro is a matter of deciding which shortcoming you can most cope with lol
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19:35 john_minetest What I didn't find in any distro yet was very good cross-compilation support. ArchLinux is very good in it but I'd like to have all libs as mingw ones and as linux ones.
19:37 john_minetest something like "<packagemanager> <install_command> mingw-<libname>", for example "pacman -S mingw-irrlicht"
19:38 Peacock well if arch could only modernize their package management a bit, that would be great
19:38 Warr1024 by mingw, you're referring to windows stuff?
19:38 Peacock ie, combining pacman and aur, downloading dependencies in the right order for updates, etc.
19:38 Warr1024 I've heard of cross-architecture compiling, but not cross-OS...
19:38 john_minetest Warr1024: Cross-compiling for the dark side ;)
19:39 john_minetest It is possible to cross-compile from linux to windows.
19:39 Warr1024 wow
19:39 john_minetest windows to linux is near-impossible but it is said to work.
19:39 john_minetest linux to apple is difficult. apple to apple is difficult.
19:39 john_minetest windows to windows is medium.
19:39 PilzAdam john_minetest, Bielefeld is said to exist too
19:39 Peacock well why would the MS crowd bother with windows to linux? its not like most linux geeks are willing or able to pay for such a thing lol
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19:40 EvergreenTree o/
19:40 john_minetest PilzAdam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcec4loroH0
19:42 john_minetest windows -> linux is like using a tank motor as a starter motor for a normal, small VW motor.
19:42 EvergreenTree !title
19:42 MinetestBot EvergreenTree: Ruthe.de - Zeugenschutzprogramm - YouTube
19:43 Peacock what a lovely long word lol
19:43 PilzAdam john_minetest, a broken tank motor
19:43 john_minetest oh noes, they discovered that it is a german video. now we can't hide our plans to overtake the #minetset channel anymore.
19:43 Warr1024 I dunno, a linux -> windows cross-compile just sounds generally counterproductive to me.
19:44 PilzAdam Peacock, its german for witness protection program
19:44 Jordach EvergreenTree, you're alive!
19:44 Jordach i worried for a moment
19:44 john_minetest PilzAdam: Some german tank uses a VW motor as starter motor for the real tank motor.
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19:44 EvergreenTree john_minetest, I've never heard of #minetset before, I have heard of #minetest though
19:44 john_minetest #minetset exists
19:45 Warr1024 always call #minetget before you call #minetset.
19:45 PilzAdam I read minetset as mindset
19:45 PilzAdam something that sets your mind
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19:47 Peacock Siebentausendzweihundertvierundfünfzig = 7254, i think i'd stick to just typing the numerals lol
19:47 VIRTUALFALL FINALLY MY WEBSITE IS CREATED! http://virtualfallsoftware.x10.mx/
19:48 Peacock HELLO CAPS LOCK
19:48 PilzAdam VIRTUALFALL, spam?
19:48 VIRTUALFALL no+
19:48 PilzAdam !title
19:48 MinetestBot PilzAdam: Virtual Fall Software
19:48 Warr1024 man, I can't wait until Row:4 Cell:5
19:48 Peacock http://rolande.files.wordpre​ss.com/2005/01/spam-can.jpg
19:48 VIRTUALFALL +no+ +spam
19:48 john_minetest Modelleisenbahngleisteilwärterchefk​opfkühlmützenkühlflüssigkeitsventil = model train track part supervisor's chef head cooling cap cooling liquid valve.
19:48 john_minetest This is a valid german word.
19:49 Peacock you guys must have wickedly competitive spelling bees :P
19:49 VIRTUALFALL im not eat spam
19:49 john_minetest Exactly like "Wunderschinken" which means "wonder ham" and has no meaning but it sounds cool.
19:49 PilzAdam mmmmmm.... schinken....
19:49 Peacock funny, chinken sounds more like chicken in english lol
19:49 john_minetest chicken is "Hühnchen" in german
19:50 Peacock so what's german for hunchback then?
19:50 john_minetest "buckel"
19:50 PilzAdam "Buckel"
19:50 PilzAdam john_minetest, wrong
19:51 john_minetest PilzAdam: I am integrating and using the english spelling.
19:51 john_minetest Always those foreigners who don't want to integrate... ;)
19:51 Peacock im almost afraid to ask what belt buckle is then lol
19:51 PilzAdam Gürtelschnalle
19:51 john_minetest "gürtelschnalle"
19:52 Peacock funny how alot of the words sound the same but don't mean the same thing at all
19:52 Peacock i have an easier time figuring out spanish as it's almost a mix of english and french
19:52 PilzAdam want some gift?
19:52 john_minetest "gift" means "poison" in german.
19:53 john_minetest So "gift shop" gets a completely different meaning...
19:53 Peacock so Santa Clause is a terrorist in Germany?
19:53 john_minetest well, he has a beard...
19:53 Peacock lol
19:53 Peacock the same beard too
19:53 Peacock and he lives in an isolated area
19:54 Peacock with clandestine workshops and slave labour
19:54 john_minetest Surely some distant brother of bin laden
19:54 Peacock lol i wont be telling that story to my niece lol
19:54 Peacock my sister would probably kill me lol
19:55 PilzAdam we have the Christkind in germany anyway
19:55 Warr1024 lol Peacock lol with the lols, lol.
19:55 Peacock i got a whole box of lols
19:55 Warr1024 <lol>you missed an open tag</lol>
19:55 Menche the world's supply of lols has been depleted. please use sparingly while manufacturing catches up
19:56 Peacock walmart had a special on lols and lolcats
19:56 john_minetest Menche: Are the lol makers communist now?
19:56 Peacock well lols are mass-produced in china
19:56 PilzAdam Peacock, but the chinese lols are not as good as the german ones
19:56 john_minetest 5-year-plan and stuff. waiting half the year for lols to come because screws aren't delivered on time
19:56 Peacock though some of the factory workers jumped to their deaths last month, their colleagues were overhead saying "lol"
19:57 Peacock those would be soviet lols
19:57 Peacock chinese lols deliver on time
19:57 john_minetest German lols have a very good quality and are very efficient.
19:57 john_minetest And lols from the netherlands have free shipping.
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19:58 Peacock canadian lols are bilingual
19:58 Menche communist-made LOLs are more heavy because the quotas are based on weight
19:58 john_minetest stallman wants to provide a lol clone called "rofl" that is completely free and open source.
19:59 Peacock stallman released a new site called the Seven Sins of LOL
19:59 john_minetest Linus Torvalds comments: "Lol, I don't care."
19:59 PilzAdam its called GNU/rofl, not rofl
19:59 john_minetest right
20:00 Peacock does that mean the rofl's dont work?
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20:00 john_minetest we should post this on #GNU
20:00 PilzAdam Peacock, you can buy the "copter" extention, that gives you the roflcopter, but is proprietary
20:01 Peacock there's also LMFAO, but the ass part is a proprietary binary blob
20:02 john_minetest Some people on github try to clone copter. They implemented some main features, namely the "c", the "o" and the "r".
20:02 PilzAdam theres also the chines clone of rofl: lofl
20:03 john_minetest Well, it is low quality and disobeys the GPL that stallman put on rofl.
20:04 john_minetest A start up lately came up with "haha" which looks nice. Still on kickstarter for funding.
20:04 Peacock and since roflmfao includes rofl, the roflmfao was also GPL'd
20:04 PilzAdam its for anrdoid too, though
20:05 john_minetest The android version spies on you and monitors where, when and with who you use it.
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20:06 Peacock well if you're worrying about spying don't get a smartphone lol
20:07 Peacock i read somewhere that either the sim card or the gps is powered whether or not the phone is and the battery in (i think it was the sim card)
20:07 Peacock *is on
20:07 Warr1024 That's probably true or not true, highly dependent on the specific phone model.
20:07 john_minetest And now the favourite sentences of stallman: "Well, they don't respect the rights of their users." "Free is as in freedom and not like in price." "It has malicious features"
20:08 Peacock stallman's idea of freedom is to turnover your copyrights to him lol
20:08 john_minetest "The users should be able to control the program, not the program controls the users."
20:08 Warr1024 also, there's airplane mode and such.  The carrier can't reach your phone if it doesn't know where it is, doesn't know where it is if it's not being pinged, and the phone won't ping towers in airplane mode due to restrictions on stuff like airplane use...
20:09 PilzAdam I think smarphones are like quantum states: they either know where you are, or what you are talking, but not both at the same time
20:10 Peacock well your smartphone doesn't need to record conversations, its the carriers that do that lol
20:10 Warr1024 it's kind of ironic, but in the old proprietary commercial world, the software controlled the users, and they didn't like it.  GNU and Apple provided 2 different solutions: in the GNU world, users control the software, and in the Apple world, users like being told what to do.
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20:11 Peacock " Apple world, users like being told what to do" thats your perception of them, and a fanboy one at that, perhaps some people are just willing to pay for polished, fully-featured software
20:11 Warr1024 trust me, I'm not an apple fanboy.
20:12 Peacock i meant a linux fanboy lol
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20:12 Warr1024 not one of those either.
20:12 Peacock (and they both behave the same) lol
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20:13 john_minetest Apple 1 was a nuclear bomb with about 14 kilotons.
20:13 Warr1024 I only use Linux because of the "fully-featured" part.
20:13 john_minetest Apple 2 had 29
20:13 john_minetest iirc
20:13 thexyz guys check this out
20:13 thexyz hello world in 1 line on js https://github.com/theaqua​/hello-world-in-1-line.js
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20:14 Menche i like how that has 11 commits
20:14 Warr1024 1 line if you don't count all the 3rd-party libs.
20:14 ele__ how do i use my minetest username here
20:14 john_minetest thexyz: in python it is    print ("Hello World")
20:14 Warr1024 ele__: /nick <whatever>
20:15 Warr1024 world's shortest quine: #!/bin/cat
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20:15 Peacock #!/bin/nyancat
20:15 playzooki hi guys
20:16 john_minetest Warr1024: Maybe more like a shell file with "cat file.sh"
20:16 Warr1024 Peacock: more likely #!/usr/bin/nyancat (Linux) or #!/usr/local/bin/nyancat (OpenBSD)
20:17 Warr1024 john_minetest: that cats the file "file.sh", not the script itself, unless those happen to coincide.  #!/bin/cat always works.
20:17 Peacock OpenBSD == Open Bondage, Sadism and Domination? what does the BSD stand for?
20:17 john_minetest Man, my cheek hurts when I laugh. And now it perma-hurts because I watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFMMXRoSxnA
20:17 Warr1024 Peacock: never heard of the Berkely Software Distribution?  You use parts of it.
20:17 john_minetest Peacock: BSD is a german collective of whorehouse owners.
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20:18 Peacock there's a slogan, "OpenBSD, the OS of choice for german whorehouse management" XD
20:18 EvergreenTree !title
20:18 MinetestBot EvergreenTree: Richard Stallman: We&#39;re heading for a total disaster - YouTube
20:19 artur99_ look here a nice vide about my country: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK21-sYSDsU
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20:19 Menche !title
20:19 Peacock as for berkely, ive heard of them, but its not like im interested in knowing where each part of a car comes from either
20:19 MinetestBot Menche: The World without Romania - Lumea fara Romania - subtitle all languages press &quot;CC&quot; - YouTu[...]
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20:19 Warr1024 I've heard it said that throughout history, there are only 2 universal constants: (1) everything is always slowly getting better and (2) everyone always believes everything is rapidly getting worse.
20:19 artur99_ where the baseball was inveted, and the vampires appeared, and the pens has been invented, and the airplanes with reaction has been built for first time
20:20 PilzAdam Warr1024, (3) the speed of light
20:20 Peacock im pretty sure pi doesn't change either, or the strength of gravity
20:20 Peacock or stallman's (lack of) hygiene
20:20 Warr1024 PilzAdam: maybe,  maybe not.  Wouldn't be a much worse explanation than Dark Energy, after all...
20:21 PilzAdam !op
20:21 Menche gravity can change slightly from place to place
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20:21 Topic for #minetest is now 0.4.8 is right around the corner, hold on! | Website: http://minetest.net | Rules: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | Core Devs: #minetest-dev | Servers: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | We believe in the standard model of phyiscs
20:21 Warr1024 Menche: you mean weight, or you mean the actual gravitational constant?
20:21 Peacock the strength of gravity or the amount of it?
20:22 Peacock what are phyiscs?
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20:22 Topic for #minetest is now 0.4.8 is right around the corner, hold on! | Website: http://minetest.net | Rules: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | Core Devs: #minetest-dev | Servers: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | We believe in the standard model of physics
20:22 Peacock hehe
20:22 PilzAdam Peacock, people who cant type
20:22 ele__ it didnt work
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20:22 Warr1024 though remember that constants are not constants because of some kind of divine fiat; they're simply values that always came out the same the way we calculated them, and we haven't yet found any circumstances in which they vary.
20:23 Peacock apparently they do in the multiverse
20:23 ele__ i tried to use my minetest username but it didnt work
20:23 Warr1024 Peacock: wouldn't know, never been there :-)
20:23 Warr1024 ele__: in what manner did it not work?
20:23 PilzAdam ele__, we dont have a centtalized account system
20:23 Warr1024 ele__: i.e. what did it do instead of working?
20:23 ele__ i put /nick Element
20:23 PilzAdam ele__, there is no "minetest username"
20:24 Topic for #minetest is now 0.4.8 is right around the corner, hold on! | Website: http://minetest.net | Rules: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | Core Devs: #minetest-dev | Servers: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC Logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/
20:24 PilzAdam !deop
20:24 Warr1024 if it said somethin like "nick already in use" or something, then there's really nothing you can do abou tit.
20:24 ele__ is there a way i can use Element
20:24 Warr1024 if it's available, yeah.
20:24 Warr1024 you're on a web client?
20:24 Warr1024 can't you specify the nickname you want when  you connect?
20:25 ele__ no, i think
20:25 Menche /whois says that there's noone named Element
20:25 Jordach ele__, i think someone owns that nickname here
20:25 Peacock just type /nick IPFreely and you should be all setup
20:25 ele__ really
20:25 Jordach Peacock, lol
20:25 ele__ that sucks
20:25 Warr1024 Element is already reserved by NickServ.
20:25 Menche Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable
20:26 Warr1024 sorry, I guess you're gonna be Element2 or Element_ or Element` or something.
20:26 Peacock what about FifthElement?
20:26 Peacock mul-tee-pass
20:26 Warr1024 that probably won't be necessary unless the first 4 are taken :-)
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20:28 Peacock i was surprised to find out JesusChrist and BigWillie are already registered lol
20:28 Warr1024 why does it seem like there are so many webchat users everywhere?
20:28 PilzAdam Warr1024, because on windows its dangerous to install programs, IRC clients in this case
20:29 Warr1024 no more dangerous than installing windows was in the first place, though...
20:29 * PilzAdam has seen IRC clients that are trojan horses
20:29 Peacock well mirc would be one of the most harmless programs you can install
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20:30 ele__ every time i try to use a different Element, i get,    [15:26] qwebirc v0.91 [15:26] Copyright (C) 2008-2011 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project. [15:26] http://www.qwebirc.org [15:26] Licensed under the GNU General Public License, Version 2. [15:26] == *** (qwebirc) Looking up your hostname... [15:26] == *** (qwebirc) Found your hostname. [15:26] == Connected to server. [15:26] -herbert.freenode.net- *** Looking up your hostname.
20:30 Peacock wtf
20:30 ele__ and it doesnt let me use it
20:30 Warr1024 and you get bumped back to ele__?
20:31 Peacock well you gotta finesse it first by buying it dinner and a movie
20:31 ele__ no
20:31 ele__ i just use ele
20:31 Warr1024 odd
20:31 ele__ yea
20:32 Warr1024 maybe you should look into getting a real client.
20:32 ele__ i tried Element'
20:32 Warr1024 there may be trojans out there, but there must be a few decent safe clients...
20:32 ele__ and how do i do that
20:32 Jordach hexchat
20:32 Jordach xchat
20:32 Jordach quassel
20:32 Jordach those are some good free ones
20:32 Warr1024 I used mIRC back in my Windows days, and Trillian.  Been on pidgin/gaim for a while now.
20:32 sfan5 !seen a kitten
20:32 MinetestBot sfan5: Sorry, I haven't seen a around.
20:33 sfan5 oh MinetestBot..
20:33 Peacock the bot dont take spaces lol
20:33 sfan5 I programmed that myself but forgot it
20:33 MinetestBot sfan5: I'm just what you made me...
20:33 Peacock !seen ma'daddy
20:33 MinetestBot Peacock: Sorry, I haven't seen ma'daddy around.
20:33 sfan5 d'awwww
20:33 * sfan5 pets MinetestBot
20:33 * MinetestBot purrs
20:33 PilzAdam !rainbow purr
20:33 MinetestBot 2p5u6rr
20:34 sfan5 MinetestBot has 441 nicks recorded in the !seen database
20:34 sfan5 !seen o-o-o
20:34 MinetestBot sfan5: o-o-o was last seen at 2013-11-16 10:07:24 UTC on #minetest
20:34 sfan5 or
20:34 sfan5 !seen dsfsgsfhsfk
20:34 MinetestBot sfan5: dsfsgsfhsfk was last seen at 2013-11-17 07:50:19 UTC on #minetest
20:34 ele__ so where di i go to get a client
20:35 Peacock Mexico
20:35 * Jordach pets MinetestBot
20:35 * MinetestBot purrs
20:35 ele__ ok?
20:35 PilzAdam sfan5, if someone would write a lbl start ; /nick <random> ; /msg ##minetestbot hello ; goto start ; script, how long would it take for MinetestBot to run out of space?
20:36 PilzAdam ele__, ixquick.com
20:36 Peacock next step, give minetestbot an AI and let it sign into games lol
20:36 sfan5 PilzAdam: space for what?
20:36 sfan5 Peacock: I can add that if you want
20:36 PilzAdam database
20:36 Peacock though, having an AI would be unfair to other players who have no intelligence :/
20:36 sfan5 oh..
20:36 sfan5 dunno
20:36 Warr1024 ele__: what OS are you running, and do you have antivirus?
20:37 sfan5 PilzAdam: /dev/ploop55301p1  9.9G  1.3G  8.2G  14% /
20:37 sfan5 (Filesystem         Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on)
20:37 Peacock lol @ ploop
20:37 ele__ i have a win. 8.1 and no antivirus
20:37 Warr1024 that's bad.
20:37 ele__ why
20:37 sfan5 because you might get a virus
20:37 ele__ ah
20:37 Peacock its not punch-card compatible like linux
20:37 sfan5 just download something like avira or avast
20:37 ele__ is it free
20:38 sfan5 yes
20:38 Warr1024 If you're running Windows and don't have antivirus, you're probably best off not downloading strange stuff like IRC clients from the interwebz.
20:38 sfan5 ,
20:38 ele__ whats the best
20:38 Peacock i think avg's free too
20:38 PilzAdam <random>today at uni I have seen someone downloading an .exe and directly running it as admin</random>
20:38 Warr1024 I have used both AVG and Avast before, and found them to be acceptable.
20:38 PilzAdam from some random site
20:38 Peacock this is what i used 15 years ago: http://www.mirc.com/
20:38 ele__ what are there websites for them
20:39 Peacock !g avast
20:39 MinetestBot Peacock: http://www.avast.com/
20:39 sfan5 PilzAdam: there is ubuntu 9.04 with enabled ssh server on roughly 1 PCs in my school
20:39 sfan5 and gcc is installed too
20:39 Warr1024 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=avast
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20:40 Warr1024 PilzAdam: was it on his/her own computer?
20:40 PilzAdam Warr1024, yes
20:40 sfan5 lol
20:40 Warr1024 ouch.
20:40 Warr1024 if it were just some dumb shared kiosk machine or something, then who cares, right? :-)
20:40 PilzAdam I cant even remotely describe the facepalm....
20:41 PilzAdam it was an 1 week old new Laptop
20:41 Warr1024 I once was running *3* virus scanners simultaneously, so I felt like I could just download random shit and run it.  Finding out I was wrong was pretty much the last straw for my ever running Windows as a main OS again.
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20:41 Warr1024 PilzAdam: well in that case it's probably justified, if it had a factory image with all the viruses they pre-ship.
20:42 PilzAdam it was shipped with ubuntu, but the owner installed win 7........
20:42 Warr1024 oh, super-ouch.
20:43 PilzAdam the history of this laptop is filled with my facepalms
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20:43 Warr1024 every time you say "facepalm" it makes me think about palm trees :-)
20:44 * PilzAdam too
20:44 PilzAdam but I dont know a better term...
20:44 Warr1024 how many facepalms are there in a headdesk?
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20:44 Jordach my moron senses are tingling
20:45 PilzAdam Jordach, nice welcome message for OldCoder :-p
20:46 OldCoder ?
20:46 Warr1024 my moron senses are always tingling... wait a second... :-)
20:46 ele__ for mIRC, what server do i connect to
20:46 Warr1024 irc.freenode.net
20:47 Warr1024 you already downloaded and installed a virus scanner and mirc?
20:47 Warr1024 that's some pretty fast work :-)
20:47 ele__ the virus is downloading now
20:47 Jordach PilzAdam, i was talking about the IDIOT WITH Ubuntu and 7
20:47 ele__ or anti virus**
20:47 Warr1024 ele__: hopefully anti-virus.
20:48 Jordach new sig get: <ele__> the virus is downloading now
20:48 ele__ its the anti
20:48 Jordach immortalised as my signiture
20:48 ele__ i forgot to put in the anti part
20:48 Menche meh, that's not really important, is it?
20:48 Menche lol
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20:49 Jordach anti-viruses are usually viruses in their own right
20:49 Menche a lot of the free ones are nagware
20:49 sfan5 PilzAdam: http://securityreactions.tumblr.com/​post/55422280066/the-new-guy-downloa​ds-netcat-exe-from-some-random-site
20:49 Warr1024 they do meet certain criteria for malware.
20:49 ele__ i cant find that server
20:49 Warr1024 plus they can slow down disk I/O by as much as 5x.
20:50 Peacock and quarantine nocd patches lol
20:50 Peacock while missing real virii
20:50 Warr1024 yeah, I've had that quaranteening behavior really screw stuff up.
20:51 ele__ ok, i need help
20:51 Warr1024 ironically quarantine can prevent you from *deleting* an infected file.
20:52 Warr1024 ele__: you don't have to tell us you need help, just tell us what help you need :-)
20:52 ele__ i have mIRC but i dont know what serevr to connect to
20:54 Warr1024 ele__: irc.freenode.net
20:54 ele__ i went there but its a page with, It works!  This is the default web page for this server.  The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet.
20:55 sfan5 lol http://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtec​hsupport/comments/1qz6qm/got_to_know​_my_female_coworker_a_little_better/
20:56 Peacock stalking techniques lol
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20:56 Warr1024 ele__: no, you were asking the server you needed to put into mIRC, weren't you?  That's the IRC server, not a web address.
20:56 Warr1024 (well, it IS also a web address, but that's not how you use it)
20:56 * Jordach experiments with other people's Animatic models; http://i.imgur.com/ih4Ez5P.png
20:56 ele__ oh
20:57 * Jordach isn't a real fan of IK
20:57 Jordach if i want a certain rotation, i never get one :(
20:57 ele__ where do i go in mIRC to go to that server
20:59 Warr1024 oh, man, I don't remember, it's been a long time since I used mIRC.
20:59 Warr1024 it's probably something like "connect" or "add server" or maybe even "server manager" or "manage connections"
21:00 Warr1024 here, try this: imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tech_support_cheat_sheet.png
21:01 Warr1024 damn you firefox, for arbitrarily including/excluding the schema in url's I copy at your discretion and not mine... :-/
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21:14 PilzAdam "A few seconds ago I had a really good idea, I guess."
21:15 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7782
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21:17 Warr1024 nice
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21:26 PilzAdam Warr1024, I was able to reproduce your bug: https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/issues/1012#issuecomment-28837080
21:26 Warr1024 awesome
21:26 PilzAdam I recommend to change the chat key to fix it
21:26 Warr1024 this only happens with enter?
21:26 PilzAdam or upgrade to Irrlicht 1.8
21:26 PilzAdam AFAIK yes
21:27 Warr1024 upgrading isn't a great general-purpose solution since many OS's ship with pre-1.8 irrlicht by default, and building updated versions from source, or adding PPA's is not trivial for most users...
21:27 PilzAdam yea, thats because my first suggestion is to not use enter ;-)
21:27 Warr1024 A lot of my friends and I are used to binding enter to chat.
21:27 Warr1024 it's probably one of the more popular bindings...
21:28 PilzAdam enter is pretty far away from WASD or the mouse...
21:28 Warr1024 yeah, but when you type you aren't just using wasd.
21:28 PilzAdam true
21:29 Warr1024 switching between play/chat mode tends to require at least movement of the mouse hand.
21:29 Warr1024 I actually use ASDF/Space instead of Space/SADW.
21:29 PilzAdam well, the backtrace is there, people can fix it if they want
21:29 Warr1024 it's less intuitive, but tires out the fingers much less.
21:29 DanCooper Warr1024: how is that?
21:30 PilzAdam I need to sleep now; bye
21:30 DanCooper do you have problems with crouching or anything like that?
21:30 Warr1024 bye
21:30 Warr1024 inb4 :-)
21:30 Warr1024 DanCooper: not much.  I crouch with LShift, and I usually bend my pinky and use my knuckle if I'm going to do it for a long time.
21:31 Warr1024 Space = forward, D/F are strafe left/right, S is backwards, an A is jump.
21:31 DanCooper Warr1024: do you play all fpses like that?
21:31 DanCooper i was going to try that for awhile
21:31 Warr1024 I do, but the results are mixed, depending on the play style.
21:32 Warr1024 basically, just rest your hand on the home keys
21:32 Warr1024 then assign buttons with the most commonly-used (especially sustained or rapidly-repeated) functions to the strongest fingers.
21:32 Warr1024 i.e. thumb, then index/middle, then ring, then pinky.
21:32 Warr1024 I also often assign functions to nearby alphabetic keys.
21:33 Warr1024 (of course, all of this is on a USA 101-key layout; int'l users will need to adapt accordingly).
21:33 bas080 how would i give someone the privs to revoke and grant privs?
21:33 bas080 basicly make someone admin on the server where i am the admin
21:33 Menche the privs priv allows granting privs
21:34 Warr1024 does the privs priv allow granting the privs priv?
21:34 bas080 am checking
21:34 Menche or basic_privs allows granting interact and shout (i think)
21:35 Warr1024 DanCooper: the main weakness I've found with ASDF/Space is that the pinky tends to get overused, esp. for jumping.  I work around this by meticulously building stairs on any well-travelled path :-)
21:40 sfan5 this AskReddit thread is very amusing..
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21:40 sfan5 http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/c​omments/1qyxjx/whats_the_most_amusi​ng_new_film_we_can_come_up/cdhxdc2
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21:47 DanCooper Warr1024: why would you use pinky for jumping?
21:49 Warr1024 DanCooper: I dunno, I used thumb for forward, middle and index for strafe left and right, and ring finger for backwards.
21:50 Warr1024 I want to be able to do any reasonable combination of any of those while jumping, so I can't reuse an existing finger; that leaves only the pinky for the jump key.
21:51 Warr1024 I don't really want to break up the semi-intuitive D/F strafe pair either.
21:51 Warr1024 otherwise, for something like MT, I guess I'd go with forward, jump, then strafe, then backpedal.
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22:42 dafull97 hey guys
22:45 us`0gb Hello!
22:46 Partmedia hi there :p
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23:09 john_minetest hey
23:14 iqualfragile VanessaE: you there?
23:14 VanessaE yes
23:14 iqualfragile you have uploaded quite some mods to mmdb ( for example https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/mod/plantlife/) but you did not upload any versions
23:14 iqualfragile please do so
23:14 VanessaE meh
23:15 iqualfragile this makes it it a lot easier for players to install mods
23:15 VanessaE all my stuff is rolling-release, there are no "versions" as such
23:15 iqualfragile just dump one there from time to time
23:16 iqualfragile this makes it it a lot easier for players to install mod as they just need to klick install from inside minetest
23:24 VanessaE iqualfragile: ok, done all of them.
23:25 iqualfragile VanessaE: good, but you left some backups (moretrees, node_defs.lua~) and your .git inside
23:25 VanessaE oh well
23:26 iqualfragile if you do not care i will just approve them
23:26 VanessaE I just zipped up the folders whole
23:26 VanessaE better the end user gets the git histories also
23:26 VanessaE makes it easier to contribute
23:26 VanessaE (and to update)
23:26 iqualfragile yes, but it allso makes the download bigger…
23:26 VanessaE meh
23:27 VanessaE biggest one is pipeworks and that's only 11MB
23:27 iqualfragile allright then
23:27 VanessaE "only" :)
23:27 iqualfragile wait
23:27 iqualfragile you maintain gloopblocks?
23:27 VanessaE ye
23:27 VanessaE yes
23:27 iqualfragile oh, cool
23:29 VanessaE neko kinda abandoned it a while back, I couldn't let it die, it was too useful
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23:32 iqualfragile thats the spirit
23:36 Partmedia anyone else been having mine carts stopping at random points along the track?
23:36 * Partmedia should really go search on the forums...
23:37 deltib yes, it seems to be a limitation of the engine
23:37 Partmedia :'(
23:38 Partmedia Great, so it's not my server being silly
23:38 deltib from what I understand, it happens when the cart tries to move into a chunk that isn't loaded in memory (seems like the graphical representation an the actual chunk data are separate, so you may be able to see chunks that aren't actually loaded, but I could be wrong)
23:39 Partmedia are chunks ever unloaded after being loaded?
23:41 deltib I don't know that much about the inner workings of the engine, I'm basing this on what I've heard other people say and my own observations, but yes, I  believe the chunks are loaded and unloaded as you move around
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23:42 * VanessaE pokes RealBadAngel -- just because ;)
23:42 RealBadAngel hi VE
23:43 VanessaE hey
23:43 deltib someone more knowledgeable about the subject could jump in and correct me if I've gotten anything wrong
23:43 Partmedia Hmm... I don't feel like source diving today ;)
23:44 Partmedia Another thing is, some of the time, other players can't see me riding the cart, just the empty cart moving
23:54 john_minetest blargh
23:54 john_minetest homework
23:54 john_minetest at 1:00 am
23:56 john_minetest markov rules and stuff

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