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00:00 Peacock apparently putin likes femen too lol
00:01 Peacock http://jordanrussiacenter.org/wp-con​tent/uploads/2013/04/putin-femen.jpg
00:01 Peacock menche - i though of making that my signature lol but... not sure if family friendly lol
00:05 paramat i remember him being so cool, knowing a million guards would jump in, so flirted
00:07 * Jordach wonders if Peacock is seeding a torrent to Jordach
00:07 Peacock dat face lol
00:08 Jordach there is always a chance :P
00:09 Peacock i dont seed jack lol
00:09 Peacock best way to get sued
00:10 Peacock and though i like to discuss movies, im not sure we're supposed to be discussing torrents specifically on here
00:11 Peacock ie i got shit for it last time lol
00:36 paramat proller, hmmmm, my attempt at fixed floatlands code is ready for scrutiny and testing, it is posted here https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=117500#p117500 anyone else want to test this? please do :) i want this fixed for 0.4.8
00:48 harrison Peacock you are deluged with a torrent of oppression
00:48 harrison i blame the System
00:49 Peacock lol why all this talk of torrents all of a sudden?
00:49 harrison i was riffing off your chat of 18:21:45
00:49 harrison and sympathizing with your oppressed status
00:50 Peacock opressed by who? lol
00:50 * us^0gb opens Transmission, his bit torrent client
00:50 harrison [18:21:45] <Peacock> and though i like to discuss movies, im not sure we're supposed to be discussing torrents specifically on here
00:50 harrison [18:22:07] <Peacock> ie i got **** for it last time lol
00:50 Peacock ugh, transmission is thoroughly lacking in configurability, id go with deluge
00:51 harrison someone must have been dishing it out for you to have gotten it or so i reasoned
00:51 harrison i blame the System
00:51 us^0gb I hardly ever use torrents, I don't know what clients are good and not.
00:51 Peacock well that was jordach but im pretty sure he's just drunk lol
00:51 * us^0gb looks up Deluge
00:51 Peacock not much of what he said to me made sense lol
00:52 Peacock speaking of movies though, i recently saw The Madness of King George, pretty good
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00:52 harrison yes it was
00:53 harrison especially Pitt
00:53 harrison the parliamentarian
00:53 Peacock i only looked it up because nigel hawthorn was in it, still
00:53 Peacock Pitt was the PM right?
00:53 harrison did you see Naked?
00:54 harrison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_(film)
00:54 Peacock already there lol
00:54 Peacock checking it out i mean
00:54 Peacock dont know any of the actors
00:54 paramat probably best hmm-mm checks the code of my floatlands fix before anyone tests it, there are probably mistakes
00:55 Menche xchat cuts that URL after the underscore, so it goes to the wikipedia article about nudity
00:55 Peacock nice
00:55 Peacock its casual friday after all
00:55 harrison review http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2008/08/da​vid-thewlis-talks-naked-reveals-mike.html
00:57 harrison If that sounds intense, shit, just watch "Naked" again for all the rape scenes, the unromantic and harsh violence, the misanthropy and misery... god. It's amazing, but brutal, be forewarned.
00:57 harrison mmm.... misanthropy...
00:58 Peacock well its friday night im not in the mood for depressing lol having a beer, will be starting up hypem.com soon along with a new batch of sunday gravy (spaghetti sauce)
00:58 harrison k you need to be amused then
00:58 harrison have you seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Star_(film)
00:59 Peacock this time i got nine big cans of diced tomatoes, not sure i even have enough tupperware for all the sauce lol
01:00 harrison most hilarious alien ever
01:00 Peacock the only carpenter film i saw was escape from new york and it sucked lol
01:00 harrison you havde such the negative energy tonight mr Peacock
01:00 Peacock reason to be, the new terminator movie is going to be a reboot lol
01:00 harrison but i still affirm your core of human value
01:01 Peacock though at least i got top comment on dog for stating i like Salvation and wanted to see a sequel of that
01:01 harrison you like joss whedon?
01:01 Peacock just looked it him up
01:01 harrison did you see his shakespeare film much ado about nothing?
01:01 Peacock his forehead is like the dome of St Pauls
01:02 harrison christopher wren's architectural masterpiece?
01:03 Peacock St Paul's Cathedral, don't know who built it tho
01:03 harrison just told you
01:03 harrison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Wren
01:03 harrison Sir Christopher Michael Wren PRS (20 October 1632 – 25 February 1723) is one of the most highly acclaimed English architects in history.[1] He was accorded responsibility for rebuilding 52 churches in the City of London after the Great Fire in 1666, including his masterpiece, St. Paul's Cathedral, on Ludgate Hill, completed in 1710.
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01:11 Peacock ugh, just got one of those scam calls lol
01:11 Warr1024 Rachel from Card Services?
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01:20 dafull97 hey guys
01:20 us^0gb Hello!
01:21 dafull97 hey
01:29 dafull97 us^0gb, come my channel =)
01:37 harrison Rachel from Card Services, this is Christopher Wren, the architect. "Pleased to meet you, Mr. Wren." "How do you like the 17th century so far, Rachel?"
01:37 harrison can't stop the harrison
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02:39 hmmmm paramat, it looks good
02:39 hmmmm why don't you try testing it on your own though?
02:40 hmmmm you might want to make zstride a u32 though
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02:40 stormchaser3000 hi
02:42 stormchaser3000 !up minetest-classic.com
02:42 MinetestBot minetest-classic.com:30000 is up (2945ms)
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02:58 hmmmm oh you weren't in the channel even
02:58 hmmmm [09:39 PM] <hmmmm> paramat, it looks good
02:58 paramat thanks hm-mm!
02:58 hmmmm [09:39 PM] <hmmmm> why don't you try testing it on your own though?
02:58 hmmmm [09:40 PM] <hmmmm> you might want to make zstride a u32 though
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02:59 paramat umm ... im not able to complie and test yet, have not yet learnt how to
02:59 hmmmm what are you on?  windows I guess?
02:59 paramat (compile)
03:00 paramat linux ubuntu
03:00 hmmmm that's 10x easier then
03:00 stormchaser3000 ikr
03:00 hmmmm I really don't know how you're able to get along without a working dev environment
03:00 stormchaser3000 it is easier
03:00 paramat yeah i intend to learn :)
03:00 stormchaser3000 i can run through a step by step thing
03:00 hmmmm yeah same here
03:00 stormchaser3000 just read the readme file
03:00 hmmmm you have lots of people to help
03:01 paramat okay thanks, not now but i'll follow the readme
03:01 paramat i do like working independantly as a modder, LVM means i may be able to do everything i want i lua
03:02 hmmmm still, for bugfixes and whatever
03:02 hmmmm also what if you want to add something to the lua api
03:02 paramat yes exactly
03:03 paramat proller you around to test this? :)
03:03 hmmmm well at the very least you can do a diff against the original file
03:03 hmmmm diff -ruN
03:04 paramat cd to the file in terminal and that command?
03:05 paramat sorry nevermind i search how to do that ;)
03:05 hmmmm er
03:05 hmmmm diff -ruN minetest/src/mapgen_indev.cpp your_version_of_mapgen_indev.cpp
03:06 paramat okay
03:07 kaeza hmmmm, see #-dev
03:07 kaeza http://irc.minetest.ru/minet​est-dev/2013-11-09#i_3423041 <-- this
03:10 hmmmm ermm, I don't really know anything about player animations kaeza, you're talking to the wrong person about that
03:10 kaeza guess I'll have to get PA to see that :/
03:10 kaeza thanks anyway
03:10 hmmmm sorry
03:11 kaeza no probs
03:11 VanessaE taoki also.
03:11 * VanessaE pokes Taoki
03:11 VanessaE well I guess he's not a dev :P
03:12 paramat proll uses u32 for the noise indexes, while your advice was 'int', not sure which is best ...
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03:30 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
03:30 thefamilygrog66 Willkommen
03:30 thefamilygrog66 Bienvenido
03:31 stormchaser3000 hi
03:31 stormchaser3000 the family grogg
03:31 stormchaser3000 are yo on a server
03:31 thefamilygrog66 not presently, no
03:31 thefamilygrog66 what's up?
03:32 stormchaser3000 idk
03:32 stormchaser3000 i am on a skype call
03:32 stormchaser3000 with someoen
03:32 stormchaser3000 lo
03:32 stormchaser3000 lol
03:32 thefamilygrog66 alrighty then
03:32 stormchaser3000 but ii can go on a server
03:32 stormchaser3000 lol
03:32 kaeza hey frog
03:32 kaeza grog*
03:33 thefamilygrog66 troglodyte, yep
03:33 thefamilygrog66 :)
03:33 thefamilygrog66 what's happening, kaeza?
03:33 kaeza about to kill VE's server >:D
03:33 stormchaser3000 lol
03:33 stormchaser3000 how
03:33 stormchaser3000 >:D
03:33 stormchaser3000 jk
03:34 * stormchaser3000 hacks using cammand line script
03:34 stormchaser3000 jk
03:34 stormchaser3000 i am not a hacker
03:34 kaeza hacker != cracker
03:34 stormchaser3000 and i am not a cracker
03:34 stormchaser3000 lol
03:34 stormchaser3000 if i was i would have admin privs on all servers
03:34 kaeza a hacker builds, a cracker destroys
03:35 stormchaser3000 and many griefeers would be banned
03:35 kaeza don't mix them
03:35 Peacock i think crackers prefer to be called "white folk"
03:35 * stormchaser3000 thinks peacock is racist all of a sudden
03:36 Peacock yes, i am extremely racist against my own people lol (i think that's called a liberal)
03:36 kaeza lol
03:36 stormchaser3000 not lol
03:39 thefamilygrog66 I have these 1/2 sized Herobrines wandering around the caves on my server, saying "STEVE" (sampled from the monkey from Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs). It's a little disconcerting.
03:39 VanessaE hey grog
03:39 stormchaser3000 on your server what s the ip and port i forgor
03:39 stormchaser3000 forgor
03:39 stormchaser3000 forgot
03:39 thefamilygrog66 Howdy V
03:40 thefamilygrog66 sorry, it's not public stormchaser
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03:40 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: Y U NO PLAY ON MY SERVERS? :)
03:40 stormchaser3000 i know
03:40 stormchaser3000 but what is the ip
03:40 stormchaser3000 so i can connect
03:40 stormchaser3000 (mannualy typing it in)
03:40 thefamilygrog66 no, I mean it's a private server - locked down right now
03:41 thefamilygrog66 the computer it's running on is on its last legs, I'm afraid. Gotta set up a new frankenputer soon...
03:42 us^0gb I built one of those once.
03:42 us^0gb All the parts were outdated though, so the machine itself is new, yet outdated.
03:42 thefamilygrog66 there are a lot of spare parts lying around at work, fortunately
03:42 thefamilygrog66 which server do you recommend, V?
03:43 stormchaser3000 kaeza's server
03:43 stormchaser3000 or vanessae's server
03:43 kaeza lol
03:43 stormchaser3000 or sfan5's server
03:43 stormchaser3000 (survival not hunger games)
03:43 thefamilygrog66 does it have Khaaaaaaaaan's  loon sounds?
03:43 kaeza or any other server?
03:44 stormchaser3000 um
03:44 Peacock loon sounds? damn that was a long time ago
03:44 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: it depends on your preference.  vanessae.mine.bz port 30000 (my game, Creative), 30001 (my game, modestly modified, Survival), 30002 (Nostalgia Game), 30003 (Nore's MG), 30004 (Realtest Game)
03:44 stormchaser3000 cheese burger's server
03:44 Peacock and i can't make those sounds anymore by court order :(
03:44 thefamilygrog66 I just downloaded yer version of ambient sounds or something, dude
03:45 thefamilygrog66 lol, I picture you running from the police with your hands cupped in front of your face, making loon sounds while fleeing
03:45 stormchaser3000 lol
03:45 thefamilygrog66 which one is the most challening, V?
03:46 Peacock i make a decent wookie actually lol
03:46 thefamilygrog66 *challenging
03:46 thefamilygrog66 nice
03:46 Peacock though ive actually never been arrested, many close calls, but when you can make 'em laugh, they tend to take it easy lol
03:47 thefamilygrog66 man, the constant burning sound coming from underground (due to those damn dungeonmasters) is also freaking me out
03:47 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: Realtest, by a wide margin
03:47 VanessaE (most challenging)
03:47 Peacock im not a fan of those dungeonmasochists either
03:47 thefamilygrog66 cool, I'll check it out
03:47 thefamilygrog66 fire bad.
03:48 thefamilygrog66 - frankenstein's monster
03:48 Peacock btw grog, seen this? http://youtu.be/P7Jy312JCUQ
03:49 thefamilygrog66 haha, yes I did watch that one today actually
03:49 thefamilygrog66 what a freakin train wreck
03:49 Peacock i only saw it this morning, LMFAO'd myself
03:50 Peacock and i thought they had it bad in Montreal
03:50 Peacock all we're missing is a scandal in Vancouver and we'll have a hat trick lol
03:51 thefamilygrog66 it's a clown show for sure
03:52 thefamilygrog66 hey, look at me running xchat on my windows laptop, eh? no more webchat for this guy
03:52 Peacock windows laptop?
03:52 Peacock christ compels you! install trisquell!
03:52 Peacock :P
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03:53 us^0gb Christ isn't with our group.
03:53 us^0gb Don't lump him in with us.
03:53 us^0gb (Please.)
03:53 thefamilygrog66 sounds like a freakin cracker
03:54 Peacock http://bornagainpagan.com/other​/041-where-is-your-god-now.gif
03:54 us^0gb When God gives you lemons, find a new god.
03:54 Peacock well RMS has a messianic complex of his own :P so im not sure which is better
03:55 thefamilygrog66 holy PNG warnings, VanessaE!
03:55 us^0gb Stallman is a fool in many ways. He should not be blindly followed.
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03:55 VanessaE yeah I know, but it's Dan's game, and it works despite the warnings :)
03:55 us^0gb But that doesn't mean many of his ideas are not good.
03:56 Peacock his analysis (plural?) are correct, but his remedies and methods are questionable at best, let's leave it at that :P
03:56 us^0gb Some of his analisises are off as well, as best I can tell.
03:57 us^0gb There's a bit of flawed logic in there as well.
03:57 Peacock past his prime, happens to the best of us :P
03:57 Peacock you know this batch of sunday gravy fills the whole 40L pot? lol
03:57 Peacock took me an hour just to chop up the onions, pepperoni and salami
03:58 thefamilygrog66 what are you cooking up there?
03:58 us^0gb I don't know what you mean with your food references.
03:58 Peacock sunday gravy (spaghetti sauce)
03:58 Peacock no one here's seen Goodfellas?
03:58 us^0gb Is this a change of topic?
03:58 Peacock well personally id rather talk about food than RMS lol
03:58 us^0gb I have not. I assumed this was some sort of expression.
03:59 us^0gb I'd rather talk abut food as well.
03:59 thefamilygrog66 is that what the kids are calling it these days?
03:59 us^0gb My favorite is a good mild salsa with lemon juice.
03:59 us^0gb *about
03:59 Peacock http://youtu.be/MQhBfRDd6GM
04:02 thefamilygrog66 bitcoins
04:02 Peacock bitcoins? lol
04:02 thefamilygrog66 just saw them mentioned on the triscuits site
04:02 thefamilygrog66 *trisquell
04:02 thefamilygrog66 *trisquel
04:02 thefamilygrog66 jebus
04:03 Peacock i still think bitcoins is a scam lol
04:03 us^0gb I wonder if I could buy crackers with bitcoins ... assuming I actually had any bitcoins.
04:03 thefamilygrog66 I don't quite get the concept
04:03 thefamilygrog66 but I'm old and things frighten me
04:03 us^0gb I don't know what to think of bitcoins, so I mostly ignore them.
04:03 Warr1024 you usually can't buy groceries with them
04:04 * thefamilygrog66 doesn't like the looks of those teenagers
04:04 VanessaE it's just a modern equivalent to Flooz
04:04 Peacock concept is easy, the fact that the author is anonymous, and seems to be holding a large number of them him/herself, that concerns me lol
04:04 VanessaE and whatever else they tried to push back in y2k
04:04 us^0gb Teenagers are quite frightening.
04:04 VanessaE well prior.
04:04 VanessaE the .com bust rathr
04:04 VanessaE rather*
04:04 thefamilygrog66 isn't it kinda like vidyergame money?
04:04 us^0gb Yeah, sort of.
04:04 Peacock well geeks have a really good handle on technology, and just as much a bad handle on the real world lol
04:05 thefamilygrog66 hmmm, not gonna pay my oil bill with that
04:05 Warr1024 I've been thinking about accepting bitcoins as donations for free software I publish; the only thing I'd really likely do with them is donate them to other charities...
04:05 Warr1024 They ARE real money (technically, at least in the USA)
04:05 Peacock bitcoins are also deflationary (a set amount)
04:05 Warr1024 except there's a very narrow market for them.
04:06 Peacock so as a real currency it's a joke, because the longer you hold onto to them, the more you can buy
04:06 Warr1024 how's that a joke?
04:06 Warr1024 I'd think it would be the other way around.
04:06 Peacock ever heard of the great depression?
04:06 us^0gb That sounds like interest to me.
04:06 Warr1024 actually, bitcoins will lose value
04:07 Warr1024 because as the supply starts to go down, other competing virtual currencies will start to get more attractive.
04:07 thefamilygrog66 kinda like the CAN$
04:07 Peacock if holding onto your money rather than spending it means you can buy more, than who has incentive to spend money? and consequently, what does it do to the economy?
04:07 Warr1024 holding onto money doesn't allow you to buy more indefinitelly.
04:07 Warr1024 you will eventually die.
04:08 Warr1024 after that, you can't buy shit.
04:08 Peacock well since bitcoins have an artificial limit, they'll increasingly be worth more with time, which means prices must continually come down
04:08 thefamilygrog66 a) how does one earn bitcoins? b) what sorts of items can be bought with them?
04:08 Warr1024 also, the mining of new bitcoins is tied to computing hashes of transaction blocks, which means it requires transactions.
04:08 Peacock id rather invest my money in property, god ain't making any more of it
04:09 Warr1024 Peacock: yeah, but everybody else is.
04:09 Warr1024 are you talkin' real property or chattels?
04:09 Warr1024 and if you're talking real, land or improvements?
04:10 Peacock land where i am, by the time i retire, ittl probably be the outskirts of the city
04:11 Warr1024 thefamilygrog66: a) by either "mining" them, or just getting paid them for shit like regular money, and 2) whatever people are willing to sell for them.  Virtual currency is mostly exchanged for virtual goods.
04:11 Warr1024 Peacock: that works as long as there isn't a housing crash again.
04:11 thefamilygrog66 there never was a housing crash here
04:11 thefamilygrog66 yet...
04:11 Warr1024 the way our global economy is designed, we need to have a crash every so often to realign inflated prices with actual value.
04:11 thefamilygrog66 Peacock and I are up in Canuckistan, remember?
04:11 Warr1024 of course, who knows where it will strike.
04:12 Peacock our banks are a little more solid than down south
04:12 Peacock for starters, our gov't never backed risky loans
04:12 Warr1024 in that case, don't invest too heavily in land, as shitty neighbors will lower your property values.
04:13 Peacock you can have shitty neighbours anywhere... i dont see that as a valid reason not to buy lol
04:13 thefamilygrog66 all neighbours are shitty
04:13 Warr1024 I was referring to Canada's shitty neighbor :-D
04:13 thefamilygrog66 "hell is other people"
04:13 thefamilygrog66 haha
04:13 Peacock condos are worse than a plot of land in the country
04:14 Warr1024 yeah, killing your own food in a condo is frowned upon.
04:14 * thefamilygrog66 sold my plot of land in the country earlier this year
04:14 Warr1024 Down here in the states, not every one of us has a plot of land to sell.
04:15 * us^0gb confirms this
04:15 Peacock yeah but you guys also wasted a shitton of money on homes 10x than what you needed
04:15 thefamilygrog66 I had to move into the city - the commute was driving me nuts.
04:15 Peacock *10x bigger
04:15 Warr1024 well, it worked out well for me.  I got mine at the bottom of the market.
04:16 dafull97 wow Pilzadam's client is awesome!
04:16 Peacock grog well i live downtown in a small city, where the rent is half for the same space in a big city downtown
04:16 Peacock well yeah the best time to buy is when the markets' in the toilets, sellers are desperate
04:16 us^0gb dafull97: Which client?
04:17 Peacock i would have never bought anything between 05-07, even back then i thought it was too expensive
04:17 thefamilygrog66 I'm digging the 3% 5 year fixed rate
04:17 dafull97 idk, the download page
04:17 dafull97 said pilzadam
04:18 Peacock well im still renting since we had a bankrupcty a year ago :P
04:18 us^0gb dafull97: Sorry, I thought you meant PilzAdam's IRC client. I thought he talked you into switching or something.
04:18 Warr1024 5 year fixed?  you mean unfixed after 5 years?
04:18 dafull97 haha no the minetest
04:18 Peacock though im still glad we pay half the rent than most our friends back in Montreal
04:18 dafull97 i decided to try
04:18 thefamilygrog66 after 5 years can choose another fixed or variable
04:18 Warr1024 wait, pilzadam has a custom client?
04:18 dafull97 yes
04:19 Peacock if i had to buy today, id chose something i could afford if the interest rate was much higher, in case.
04:19 thefamilygrog66 but my monthly mortgage payment stays the same for 5 years
04:19 Warr1024 I ended up finally deciding to buy when my mortgage for a house ended up being a bit cheaper than my rent for a townhouse.
04:19 Peacock im actually looking for a rent-to-buy agreement
04:20 Warr1024 I don't even really get how those work.
04:20 Peacock if the place turns out to have hidden problems, i can dump it after a year
04:20 thefamilygrog66 my house was only $165K, so it's pretty reasonable
04:20 thefamilygrog66 (small city as well)
04:20 Peacock rent to buy? simple, if you decide to buy, all your rent payments count as a down
04:20 Warr1024 so after a while, you can just decide to say "oh, I was actually paying rent all along" or "oh, I was making payments against the property?"
04:20 Warr1024 that kind of flexibility must come at some cost...
04:21 Peacock no, after a while you can decide, hey id like to own this place, and your rent payments arent for nought
04:21 Warr1024 otherwise the buyer/renter gets a lot of benefit, with the seller/renter taking a lot of risk.
04:21 Peacock well alot of rentals are being converted into condos, so rent-to-buy is beneficial to both parties
04:21 Warr1024 hm, maybe it makes sense with real property
04:22 Warr1024 I hear people talking about doing that with cars...
04:22 Peacock i wouldn't buy a flat to live in it forever, i'd pay off as much as i could then buy real property (land and a small house)
04:22 Peacock cuz honestly, condo boards suck donkey balls
04:22 thefamilygrog66 I plan on living in the city until my kids are older
04:23 thefamilygrog66 could never deal with condos and all that entails
04:23 Peacock seriously
04:23 Peacock its like living in a commune, every aspect of your personal life is scrutinized
04:23 thefamilygrog66 I like cutting my lawn when it suits me, haha
04:23 Peacock "you had guests over last night that made a bit of noise leaving at 2am"
04:23 Peacock a fucking door makes noise lol
04:24 Warr1024 sorry, if you still have guests at 2AM, it's your duty to shoot them with tranquilizer guns and don't wake them until 9AM at the earliest.
04:24 thefamilygrog66 "sorry, you can't paint your condo that colour - it's not in the list of approved shades of brown"
04:24 Peacock they want to legalize assisted suicide, there are a few people in my last condo i would have liked to assist lol
04:24 Peacock they wont even let you change the floors no matter how fucking bad the carpet is lol
04:25 VanessaE if we ever get this house (or any), I am never letting anyone tell me what I can or cannot put in my yard, what color my window have to be, or any of that shit.
04:25 thefamilygrog66 stick it to the man, VanessaE!
04:25 Warr1024 Well, I've got an HOA, but they mostly only bitch about stuff visible from the outside.
04:25 VanessaE it'll be MY house and I will do with it as I please (well, ours Abe and I)
04:25 Peacock so no gated communities for vanessa :P those are almost as bad
04:25 VanessaE Peacock: FUCK NO
04:25 thefamilygrog66 hahaha
04:25 hmmmm HOAs are horrible
04:25 VanessaE and if a HOA ever tries to move in, I will NOT sit back quietly.
04:25 Warr1024 I don't think they can just move in.
04:25 Warr1024 don't they need unanymous buy-in from existing residents?
04:26 VanessaE Warr1024: I've heard stories of just that.
04:26 Peacock HOA?
04:26 hmmmm look it up peacock
04:26 Warr1024 some people like 'em, I guess.
04:26 VanessaE Home Owners' Association
04:26 Warr1024 Mine hasn't been much of a pain.
04:26 VanessaE and I'
04:26 Warr1024 not yet, at least.
04:26 thefamilygrog66 I'm happy with a small house and decent yard, within walking/biking distance to work and downtown, rooms for my kids, and nobody to tell me what I can or can't do with my own house/yard.
04:26 hmmmm all you need to know is that you should avoid any properties that are under a HOA
04:26 Peacock oh jesus, thats like a condo board lol
04:26 VanessaE I've heard stories of them just "moving in" as long as enough residents agree
04:27 VanessaE those who didn't were basically fucked, or were made to think they were.
04:27 hmmmm that's horrible and sounds illegal
04:27 hmmmm I wonder why they didn't fight back
04:27 Peacock i would have burnt my property lol
04:27 VanessaE who knows
04:27 Peacock collect the insurance, move somewhere sane
04:28 thefamilygrog66 I can't see it happening where I am - old school (i.e. wartime) suburbs
04:28 VanessaE Peacock:  few bricks through the right organizations' windows would be more effective.
04:28 Peacock lol seriously, if i own my property, i'll do whatever the fuck i want with it, and if they have something to say, they better come heavy or not at all lol
04:29 Warr1024 I dunno, HOA's seem kind of benign to me; in exchange for asking for approval for everything you want to do to the exterior of your home, your neighbors have to do the same, so you don't buy a house, then move in next to some ass-hole who paints his whole house gold and neon pink and takes down your property values.
04:29 Peacock my wife's a native and she doesn't need permits to bare arms lol
04:29 thefamilygrog66 I hear ya. Wanna get a chicken coop in my backyard next year.
04:29 VanessaE Warr1024: which is the whole problem:
04:29 Warr1024 Bare arms are fine as long as you remember sunscreen.
04:30 Warr1024 VanessaE: what's the problem?
04:30 VanessaE DON'T BUY A HOUSE JUST TO THINK OF ITS FUTURE PROPERTY VALUES!!~
04:30 VanessaE fucking buy the place to LIVE THERE
04:30 thefamilygrog66 hear hear
04:30 Warr1024 eh, property values are not entirely unimportant until I've payed the place off.
04:30 thefamilygrog66 I'm painting my house green, orange and purple
04:30 thefamilygrog66 Because I like secondary colours
04:31 Peacock *bear arms lol im not english
04:31 VanessaE property values have SOME meaning yes, but if you're gonna live out the rest of your life there, why do they matter?
04:31 thefamilygrog66 Besides, paint is cheap in the long run
04:31 Warr1024 well, who knows where life will take me in the years to come.
04:31 Peacock well more to the core, do you own the property or not? if you do, it's yours do with as you wish
04:31 Warr1024 own is a complicated thing.
04:31 Peacock only rentals have rules
04:32 VanessaE Warr1024: of course - but you should plan to make a home your home for life.
04:32 VanessaE and if property values drop?  oh well.  that's life.
04:32 Peacock well not for life
04:32 Peacock life changes
04:32 Warr1024 I just bought the thing, got a mortgage, so technically I "own it with a lien" but that's kind of like owning and kind of like not owning.
04:32 thefamilygrog66 that said, this is my third house of my own
04:32 Peacock i dont plan on having kids, but im a minority there
04:32 VanessaE Peacock: how old are you?
04:32 Peacock pushing 29 in not long lol
04:33 thefamilygrog66 just a young pup
04:33 VanessaE Peacock: give it another 10 years, and you'll start to feel the tiredness.
04:33 Peacock well i'd have trouble living in the same place my whole life
04:33 Peacock neighbourhoods change
04:33 thefamilygrog66 try having two kids, and then talk to me about tiredness, haha
04:33 Warr1024 I'm only 2 or 3 years older and the tiredness is already palpable.
04:33 Peacock i dont want kids lol
04:34 us^0gb Me neither.
04:34 VanessaE Peacock: sure, they change.  But that's true no matter where you live.  Is it *really* worth all the effort to rip up and move every so often?
04:34 VanessaE I can't have kids, thefamilygrog66.
04:34 VanessaE but I believe you :)
04:35 thefamilygrog66 I'm just saying I haven't slept well in over 12 years is all :)
04:35 VanessaE haha
04:35 Peacock well im the kind of guy who walks around and explores his entire environment, so after a few years i like having new places to explore
04:35 VanessaE Peacock: eventually you will get tired of exploring without having a permanent "base" to return to.
04:35 Warr1024 Personally, I don't like moving, but who knows what'll happen.
04:35 thefamilygrog66 I find playing in bands helps satisfy that, Peacock
04:35 Peacock i have lived in TO, suburbs of TO, Montreal, Suburbs of Montreal and now more central Quebec
04:35 thefamilygrog66 i.e. playing other cities
04:35 Warr1024 not having a "base" does suck, and moving a "base" is a real painful process.
04:36 Peacock well don't forget im an insomniac most of the year, so i do walk around alot :P
04:36 VanessaE that's why older couples often go traveling - they have the time and money to do it, and the desire to look around I guess.
04:36 thefamilygrog66 I'm playing a gig up in Ottawa tomorrow night, which should be a blast
04:36 VanessaE (or some do anyway)
04:36 Warr1024 Peacock: seasonal affective disorder or something?
04:36 thefamilygrog66 my folks used to go on cruises every winter - now my Mom does
04:37 Peacock dunno, i have a hard time experiencing the same places and same people for very long, i need change in that department, i think that's what makes me antisocial lol
04:37 Peacock Warr1024 i mostly don't sleep in fall and winter yes
04:37 Warr1024 they say that special full-spectrum lightbulbs help with that...
04:37 VanessaE Peacock: yeah, see, you're the exception.
04:38 Warr1024 I guess that kind of thing would be worse living farther from the equator.
04:38 VanessaE most people aren't antisocial fuckers like you ;)
04:38 * thefamilygrog66 is
04:38 VanessaE heh
04:38 thefamilygrog66 haha
04:38 Warr1024 I dunno, y'all talk an awful lot in here to be "antisocial."
04:38 thefamilygrog66 and yet strangely sociable
04:38 Peacock well, my parents always said i got bored with everything easily, i guess they weren't kidding :P
04:38 thefamilygrog66 it's a dichotomy
04:38 VanessaE maybe you're just ADD :)
04:39 thefamilygrog66 sounds like ADD to me
04:39 Peacock heck i'd even like to try living in Yellowknife and Whitehorse :P
04:39 VanessaE come down to North Carolina for a while.  then you'll see what makes it so inviting :()
04:39 VanessaE :)
04:40 Peacock ive been labeled ADD, and a dozen other things too lol
04:40 thefamilygrog66 hehe
04:40 Peacock see 2 doctors, get 5 opinons lol
04:40 VanessaE hahga
04:40 VanessaE haha
04:41 thefamilygrog66 What's NC like, V?
04:41 Peacock i mean its no secret ive had over 30 very different jobs lol
04:41 Peacock probably warm :P
04:41 thefamilygrog66 warmer than here, I'm sure...
04:42 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: the weather is usually good, the scenery is breathtaking, and the people are generally really nice.
04:42 thefamilygrog66 cool
04:42 VanessaE well warmer, sure.
04:42 VanessaE but I meant the winters don't get crazy like they do in the north
04:42 thefamilygrog66 I haven't been to the US in like 17 years or something
04:43 thefamilygrog66 lived in New Orleans for a couple months back in my early 20s
04:43 thefamilygrog66 toured down the west coast in my mid-late 20s
04:45 thefamilygrog66 so why is this server "realtest"?
04:46 thefamilygrog66 what does that mean, exactly?
04:46 Peacock i think i went to florida in 95
04:47 VanessaE that's Dan Duncombe's rewrite of sda97's Realtest Game,  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2671
04:48 VanessaE just about everything you could want to change about minetest_game has been changed.  that ^^^ was the result.
04:48 VanessaE Dan cleaned it up and brought it all up-to-date.
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04:49 Peacock what sticks out most in my memory of florida is the humidity lol
04:50 dumdidum hello, is there any use for leaves?
04:50 VanessaE use them for fuel, dumdidum
04:50 Peacock toilet paper :P
04:50 thefamilygrog66 I use leaves for making rope
04:50 VanessaE Peacock: it has...changed.  the whackos got even more whacko.
04:50 Peacock must be the sun, Icarus and all :P
04:50 thefamilygrog66 I never met any wackos in New Orleans.
04:51 thefamilygrog66 Oh wait.
04:51 dumdidum VanessaE: don't burn long enough and i have electric furnaces ...
04:51 Peacock though increasingly the humidity up north in the summer has been reminding me of that lol
04:51 dumdidum ropes would be an idea ... but what to do with so much of them? ^^
04:52 Peacock you know what looks cool though? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willemstad i'd like to visit that place
04:54 thefamilygrog66 dumdidum, I use them for climbing cliffs, etc.
04:54 VanessaE brb
04:54 thefamilygrog66 they're part of the moreblocks mod, however
04:58 dumdidum thefamilygrog66, for climbing i use what i have in that moment ...
04:58 thefamilygrog66 fair enough
04:58 dumdidum i could produce unprocessed plastic base :D
04:58 thefamilygrog66 yep
05:00 NekoGloop Our legion of nyancats... they shall blot out the sun!
05:01 VanessaE NekoGloop: forget the nyan cats.  fix the damn kitten generator
05:01 VanessaE Oldcoder's and thefamilygrog66's kitten piles are drindling.
05:01 NekoGloop that's why i have so many nyan cats
05:01 VanessaE dwindling*
05:02 thefamilygrog66 I try to keep the kitty litter cleaned regularly
05:02 paramat okay i cant wait for proller, seems to be unavailable, if anyone wants to test my core floatlands fix in their next compile i would be very grateful :)
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05:08 us^0gb paramat: I can run update_minetest (my update command) now. What am I looking for to test?
05:08 paramat hey cool ...
05:09 thefamilygrog66 getting sleepy - gonna crash now. night folks!
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05:09 VanessaE night
05:09 us^0gb Good night!
05:09 ndjdjksisksk um hi
05:09 us^0gb Hello!
05:09 ndjdjksisksk um
05:09 VanessaE hi ndjdjksisksk
05:09 ndjdjksisksk lol
05:10 ndjdjksisksk i need to fix my username
05:10 paramat ... new code is here https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=117500#p117500
05:10 us^0gb /nick <name>
05:10 ndjdjksisksk it's not working
05:11 paramat ... the existing floatland code is here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/​blob/master/src/mapgen_indev.cpp#L347
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05:11 us^0gb paramat: Okay, I guess my update command is no good here. Once that function is replaced, what am I looking for to test it?
05:11 paramat issue at github https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/989
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05:13 paramat floatlands get larger towards world edges and towards y = 31000, so teleport to (30000 30000 30000) and check terrain is continuous over chunk boundaries
05:14 OldCoder Hey
05:14 OldCoder Sapier is long gone I assume
05:14 * OldCoder has hoped for 7 days to find him
05:14 OldCoder And nobody else knows what to do about a serialize sdata nil mobf error
05:14 OldCoder Oh, well
05:14 VanessaE he's in .de I think so expect him to return soon
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05:16 OldCoder VanessaE, I will be most pleased to speak with him as the worlds must rise again. So will kahrl pursue merge in the next week or two?
05:16 us^0gb paramat: Okay, I'm on it.
05:16 OldCoder us^0gb, Hi!
05:16 paramat :)
05:17 us^0gb Hello, OldCoder!
05:17 OldCoder o/
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05:17 VanessaE OldCoder: idk, ask kahrl :)
05:18 OldCoder VanessaE, But you are apparent his Merge Muse :P
05:18 Peacock this is soo my wife lol http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/30/​article-0-16B0E7B6000005DC-397_964x655.jpg
05:18 VanessaE ha!
05:18 OldCoder You said you were encouraging the merge yourself
05:18 OldCoder I have tested the client side... time to get a merge on
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05:21 OldCoder was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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05:22 Peacock shadowbot doesn't seem to like oldcoder lol
05:22 ShadowBot was kicked by OldCoder: Enough is Enough
05:22 Peacock lol
05:22 Peacock nice
05:22 OldCoder WTF did the bot kick me for?
05:23 OldCoder I said like one thing!
05:23 OldCoder D:
05:23 Peacock beats me, you werent even flooding
05:23 OldCoder D:
05:23 OldCoder D:
05:23 OldCoder
05:23 OldCoder Yep
05:23 OldCoder We do need it
05:23 OldCoder ShadowNinja, I meant no harm by kicking the bot
05:23 OldCoder But for Pete's Sake a little fine tuning might help
05:23 Peacock every time anyone posts even 3 lines of code it kicks
05:23 OldCoder Peacock, last year was pretty bad
05:23 OldCoder We need a kickbot
05:23 Peacock all the bots royally sucks
05:23 OldCoder Nah
05:24 OldCoder But seriously I don't know why it kicked me
05:24 OldCoder
05:24 Peacock the forum bot is a PITA, the IRC bots are PITA lol
05:24 OldCoder That is like the 10th time
05:24 OldCoder The others were deserved
05:24 OldCoder This time... WTF
05:24 Peacock like serious-fucking-ly, i programmed better bots a decade ago lol
05:24 OldCoder Anyway ShadowNinja you have my apologies but fine tune it please
05:24 Peacock mine could log in to different websites and fetch info and stats
05:24 OldCoder Peacock, Be polite to the departed bot... It served a purpose... May it rest in pieces :P
05:25 OldCoder Yep
05:25 OldCoder Lots can do that now
05:25 OldCoder I should bring my own madmoo here sometime
05:25 Peacock yeah but a decade ago that used to be impressive :P
05:25 Peacock the bots today seemed half-assed
05:25 OldCoder Must aim higher now
05:25 us^0gb Cmake is throwing errors at me. It looks like I need to download a clean copy of Minetest.
05:25 OldCoder Some do calculus
05:25 Peacock *seem
05:25 OldCoder us^0gb, Fortunately not difficult
05:25 Peacock cmake doesn't like you, try dmake
05:26 us^0gb Not difficult, but requires more downloading.
05:26 OldCoder Yep
05:28 us^0gb I've been wrestling with some erroneus software all day today and all night yesterday. Forgive me if I'm a bit lazy now.
05:28 OldCoder Lazy is not crazy as you wend your way through the mazey
05:28 Peacock well that's trisquel, ubuntu-based, which is debian-based
05:28 Peacock try debian, or another root distro
05:28 Peacock slackware has a new version
05:28 OldCoder Yay
05:28 OldCoder <- Used Slackware for a decade
05:28 OldCoder But then I made my own
05:29 Peacock i may try slackware soon
05:29 OldCoder It is nice and friendly
05:29 OldCoder Heh
05:29 Peacock im neither satisfied with debian or arch
05:29 OldCoder Like a coiled rattlesnack
05:29 OldCoder Like a coiled rattlesnake *
05:29 us^0gb My errors had nothing to do with my main system, but with the systems I keep locked up in virtual machines. Trisquel is still ticking on as usual.
05:29 * OldCoder imagines that a snake for eating is a rattlesnack
05:30 Peacock Ouroboros?
05:31 Peacock though i dont like deriv of deriv of deriv distributions lol
05:32 OldCoder My distro is no derive
05:32 OldCoder My distro is no deriv *
05:32 OldCoder And Slackware is the OLDEST
05:32 OldCoder surviving distro
05:32 OldCoder All others are children to it
05:32 Peacock slackware/redhat/debian are some of the oldest
05:32 OldCoder Even Red Hat and Debian :-)
05:32 OldCoder Nah
05:32 OldCoder Slackware
05:32 OldCoder Is The First
05:32 Peacock so why dont you put it out there?
05:33 us^0gb I would prefer gNewSense, which is based on Debian directly, but it doesn't recognize my wireless card. Dragora, which is not based on anything, won't even install a working system.
05:33 OldCoder Linux Number One
05:33 OldCoder because I have my own distro to work on now Peacock
05:33 Peacock well yeah but if you dev your own distro, why not publish?
05:33 OldCoder Ah
05:33 Peacock people are dying for a decent working distro lol
05:33 OldCoder There is a story behind that. Far too dramatic for this channel.
05:34 OldCoder If we become acquainted, I will explain
05:34 OldCoder But thank you for the thought
05:34 OldCoder It is TL;DR and Off Topic times 80,000
05:34 OldCoder Seriously
05:34 Peacock if we could unite all the distros into 2 or 3 distinct distros/version, that'd be alot better than the 200 or 300 we have now lol
05:34 OldCoder Yes and no
05:34 OldCoder Distros rise and fall
05:35 Peacock because thats 295/300 that totally suck lol
05:35 OldCoder Based on merit, backing, other factros
05:35 OldCoder Most die
05:35 OldCoder The survivors evolve
05:35 OldCoder it is good
05:35 OldCoder
05:35 OldCoder Different strains arise
05:35 OldCoder Different purposes
05:35 Peacock like puppy?
05:35 OldCoder Yes
05:35 OldCoder Puppy is marvelous is it not?
05:35 OldCoder But it is NOT
05:35 Peacock puppy and slackware interest me
05:35 OldCoder a replacement for Windows
05:35 OldCoder Yes
05:35 OldCoder Slackware Dare
05:35 OldCoder Try it
05:35 OldCoder Slackware is frightening
05:35 Peacock well my P4 is having a harder and harder time running any of the latest distros
05:36 OldCoder Slackware Scare
05:36 OldCoder The Dare is to Slackware
05:36 us^0gb The work load is increased, as work must be duplicated for each distribution. So there would be advantages to a combination. Yet I doubt a combination will happen any time soon, especially down to a single-digit number of distributions.
05:36 OldCoder
05:36 OldCoder Here is an old Linux proverb Peacock
05:36 Peacock so long as the p4 still functions technically, i wanna use it for HEPC
05:36 OldCoder "When you learn Red Hat, you learn Red Hat. When you learn Slackware, you learn UNIX!"
05:36 Peacock ogb: well considering the duplication of effort, and the missing features/software of linux, i think it would definately help to combine efforts and reduce the number of distros
05:37 us^0gb It would have that advantage. It's also unlikely to happen though.
05:37 Peacock i think the biggest hurdle right now is devs rewriting parts of software that work, to the detriment of what's missing/never been done
05:38 us^0gb I wouldn't know about that, but it does sound like a problem.
05:38 Peacock well, alsa -> pulseaudio, alsa worked for most people, what they wanted was audio editing software on par with proprietary solutions
05:39 Peacock same with video editing
05:39 us^0gb So ... stuff we didn't have then?
05:39 Peacock linux could use a dictator lol
05:39 Peacock stuff we've never had yeah lol
05:39 us^0gb I thought you said it was a writing of stuff we already had.
05:40 us^0gb There's also the fact that we have fifty text editors. I see why we would need more than one, but we might have too many.
05:41 paramat 0gb, no problem if you can't test that code :) you should of course feel free to be lazy
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05:41 us^0gb Take GIMP for example. How many good image editors do we have? To the best of my knowledge, only GIMP. And that's all we need.
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05:42 Peacock <us^0gb> I thought you said it was a writing of stuff we already had.
05:42 Peacock i meant that devs focus on reinventing what already works
05:42 us^0gb paramat: I just didn't want to download Minetest again or compile from scratch (as the patch would only require a partial compile on the old copy of Minetest). But I already downloaded and started the compiler.
05:43 us^0gb Did Alsa work for what people needed it to work for?
05:43 OldCoder Worked for me
05:44 us^0gb From Peacock's description, it sounds like Pulse filled a need some people had. Not everyone, but it was a new feature.
05:45 us^0gb It was before my time, I'm just going off what I hear here.
05:45 Peacock except for intel onboard audio, which is what, 70% of the computers they sell in stores?
05:46 us^0gb Is that for Windows then?
05:46 Peacock since pulse came out, it hasn't work properly on *any* of the computers i've bought, if it was just 1 i'd excuse it as an anomaly lol
05:47 Peacock 100% of computers sold here are windows in OS and drivers, i dont feel like building my own and having worked at UPS i dont trust them to deliver the parts intact :P
05:48 Peacock though it must make advocates' jobs difficult to convert people who already bought windows machine to use linux if shit like pulse won't work correctly with common audio hardware
05:48 us^0gb Yeah, but Windows isn't functional. If Intel Onboard Audio is for Windows, it doesn't help people who want working systems.
05:48 Peacock well this might sound naive, but you'll never convert people if linux doesn't work with the hardware they have :P
05:49 Peacock and intel onboard audio is pretty standard on all the shit i've bought lol
05:49 Warr1024 sudo apt-get remove pulse
05:49 Peacock thats what i did yeah lol
05:49 Peacock alsa worked fine before they fucked the pooch with pulseaudio
05:49 us^0gb I'm not defending Pulse, I'm simply saying Intel Onboard Audio doesn't sound like an option.
05:49 Warr1024 I need pulse for bluetooth audio when I want it, and I need ~pulse to get audio to work right in almost all other cases.
05:50 Peacock ogb what i'm explaining is that it's not an option, you cant go into a store and say "i want X computer, with Y audio", it's standard here
05:50 Warr1024 you can still buy add-in cards
05:50 Warr1024 the extra expense can be justified not just with better drivers, but often better quality in other areas too
05:50 Peacock i buy enough parts :P the p4 has practically had all its' parts swapped except for the mobo and casing lol
05:50 us^0gb You have to buy it, but then it gets wiped when you install the working system. So we need a replacement.
05:50 Warr1024 and of course a good advocate should have on hand a bunch of good working dumpster-dive parts to swap out :-)
05:51 Peacock yeah but try justifying the expense to average computer users :P
05:51 Warr1024 frankly I can't remember the last time I bought any kind of computer and the audio didn't work.  Is this a recent thing?
05:51 Warr1024 Mostly I've had problems with network adapters and 3d accel.
05:51 Peacock only with pulseaudio
05:51 Peacock archbang doesn't use pulseaudio, but crunchbang does, thats why i bitch about it recently lol
05:52 Peacock wifi has actually been fine for me since about 08-09
05:52 Peacock before that it was hell even on oldschool ubuntu
05:52 Warr1024 I haven't actually had much trouble with pulse, on the output side; it's usually the input (i.e. application -> middleware) that I have most of the problems.
05:52 Warr1024 maybe because my pulse output driver is ALSA...
05:53 Peacock well if i needed bluetooth audio desperately enough id use pulse, but more important, i need to not hear popping/screaching sounds on my basic speakers lol
05:53 Warr1024 yeah, for a while I used to sudo apt-get install pulse and log out/in to use my bluetooth headset, then sudo apt-get remove it and relogin when I was done.
05:54 Peacock my last speaker system had tears in it, and im pretty sure thats' pulse lol ive changed speakers and gone with alsa and the whole setup looks 1001%
05:54 Warr1024 Partly I was too lazy to figure out how to actually properly disable/enable it on a per-user basis...
05:54 Peacock i learned the gnarly commands for that :P
05:54 Peacock still tedious though :P
05:54 Warr1024 I suspect that pulse is just a case of too damn much ambition.
05:55 Peacock i can respect their goals, but until it's ready for primetime, distros should have stuck with alsa
05:55 Warr1024 frankly, all an audio system really has to do is move a speaker coil into one of several thousand positions, and do this a few tens of thousands of times a second.  It shouldn't really be THAT complicated.
05:55 Peacock people need working audio more than experimental features
05:56 Warr1024 but then everyone wants to do all this fancy mixing, and effect plugins, and networked audio (even though the standard(s) for networked video are all different and unrelated)
05:56 Peacock well alot of people tell me they like pulse because of per-app volume, though most of the audio apps i use have had their own volume bar since the 90s
05:56 Warr1024 yeah, that per-app volume thing seemed like a product whose market had already moved on by the time anyone had figured it out.
05:57 us^0gb Are dungeons able to generate this high up?
05:57 Warr1024 I like the idea of prioritized audio, i.e. have some apps "duck" others when they're making sound, but I don't think I've ever seen that done in a way that could be useful to me.
05:57 Peacock well, all the video and music players already have volume bars, whats important for the audio system at that point is to deliver the best audio possible
05:58 Warr1024 or just deliver OK audio, but with absolutely no crashing :-)
05:58 Peacock though pulse already said it's intels' fault that pulse sucks on intel onboard audio, so i have no reason to use them
05:58 Warr1024 isn't there an option to use ALSA or some sane abstraction layer as a back-end to pulse?
05:58 Peacock then why use pulse at all?
05:59 Warr1024 so you get all the fancy mixing bullshit, but in the end have the actual audio rendering done by something that actually works.
05:59 Peacock alsa has mixers lol
05:59 Warr1024 like if you're using some software that doesn't work well with alsa.
05:59 Warr1024 I've had an app or two that didn't like alsa on random occasions.
06:00 Peacock when shit stops working with alsa and requires pulse that doesnt' work well on any of my machines, thats when i'll consider windows lol
06:00 Peacock or buying a mac
06:00 Warr1024 I wouldn't worry
06:00 Warr1024 I rarely have issues myself.
06:00 Warr1024 most of my stuff uses ALSA when I bother to configure it
06:01 Warr1024 and I only have one app I can think of that likes Pulse better, and runs fine with Pulse piping into ALSA
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06:01 Warr1024 I'm pretty sure the machine in question is 100% intel through and through.
06:01 Peacock vlc supports pulse, but nothing else i use prefers it
06:02 Peacock and like i said, archbang doesn't even default to pulse ol
06:02 Warr1024 I think Mumble has given me headaches on anything other than "Default Output Device [PulseAudio]"
06:02 Warr1024 though it's been a while, I may have to check
06:02 Peacock well im not a fan of voicechat lol
06:02 Warr1024 it's nice on private servers with a few friends.
06:02 Warr1024 i.e. the sort of people you might talk on the phone with anyway :-)
06:03 Peacock i hate talking on the phone lol
06:03 Warr1024 I actually don't like it either, but it's a question of bandwidth.
06:03 Peacock i prefer email/letter/txt
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06:04 Peacock i get pissed off easily so i prefer the written form where i can think about what im saying lol
06:04 paramat oops laptop crashed
06:05 paramat i havent seen dungeons in floatlands
06:05 Warr1024 So I was thinking of trying to add in a lua api call like minetest.update_texture(filename) that would reload a texture server-side, update the cache, and announce it to all clients for immediate download...  anyone tried anything like that before?
06:07 Warr1024 The idea is that I could do something like a skins mod that doesn't require restarting the server to change a player skin.  Might be useful for other stuff too, assuming that the texture isn't updated *too* frequently...
06:10 paramat water column vertical transport in core floatlands http://i.imgur.com/N1tlVNV.png
06:11 VanessaE wow, that's a long way down... O.O
06:14 us^0gb paramat: I'm seeing some odities, such as stone-without-dirt isles, but I'm not seeing anything that looks like chunk boundaries.
06:14 Warr1024 is this the new v7 mapgen?
06:15 Warr1024 how close is that thing to primetime?
06:15 us^0gb No, indev.
06:15 Warr1024 what's the diff?  indev > v7?
06:15 us^0gb Last I knew, v7 was still not close to done.
06:15 us^0gb Indev is based on v6, not v7.
06:16 Warr1024 ah, ok, so they're independent forks?
06:16 us^0gb It's the same as v6, but with larger caves &amp; biomes and floating isles.
06:16 us^0gb Yeah, they're independent.
06:16 Warr1024 it's all confusing.
06:16 Warr1024 like the sqlite vs. leveldb thing
06:17 Warr1024 it seems like leveldb is superior, but there are a few hoops to jump through to get it enabled...
06:17 us^0gb LevelDB seems better, yes. The hoops will vanish. There wwere hoops to jump through to enable the server list originally as well.
06:18 OldCoder LevelDB is friendly and good to see
06:18 OldCoder LevelDB is kind to you and me
06:18 OldCoder LevelDB is easy as one two three
06:18 OldCoder
06:18 us^0gb paramat: I'm seeing random columns of dirt.
06:19 paramat 0gb, wow thanks, the stone without dirt appears in 'desert' biome areas
06:19 us^0gb OldCoder: If only it were that easy for PowerPC ....
06:19 paramat the random columns of dirt are a not-uncommon bug
06:20 paramat ... they were there before, so that sounds good =)
06:20 OldCoder ah well
06:20 us^0gb Okay, cool.
06:20 us^0gb Both on the ground and in the air, or just in the air?
06:21 paramat well personally i rarely the see those columns at ground level, more often in floatlands
06:21 Warr1024 so will the default mapgen be changing any time soon?
06:22 paramat and more often in my own lua mapgen
06:22 Warr1024 or will we need to wait a good long while for one of the contenders to come out on top?
06:22 paramat v7 will be the one when its done
06:22 us^0gb Default mapgen is no longer an issue. THere is a mapgen selector that defaults to the last one you used.
06:23 Warr1024 oh, this is a singleplayer thing?
06:24 us^0gb It's in single player, but also on servers.
06:24 paramat here's my 'uniflat' that hunts down crazy terrain in mapgen v7 and flattens it http://i.imgur.com/JSjwKFJ.png
06:25 Warr1024 I just figured I shouldn't try changing the mapgen to anything other than the default unless I REALLY knew what I was doing :-/
06:25 Warr1024 or was willing to scrap the world if my experiments went badly.
06:26 paramat another example that has left a floating rock above the flat area http://i.imgur.com/tlNkdHX.png
06:26 us^0gb v6 and indev are both fine. Singlenode is best for use with certain games. The others are pretty useless for normal play right now.
06:27 us^0gb paramat: I can't really tell what's going on. Does it try to kill mountains or something?
06:27 Warr1024 normal play as in minetest_game or similar?
06:27 us^0gb Warr1024: Yes.
06:27 paramat 0gb yeah lol
06:27 us^0gb Indev is more interesting, v6 in more normal.
06:28 paramat here's another angle on that last area http://i.imgur.com/h5g8RsB.png
06:29 Warr1024 I'm trying to add some interesting gameplay stuff, but I keep running into all these "wouldn't it be cool if"'s that run me up against engine limitations.
06:29 us^0gb THis is v7, right? Did you add the dirt and sand when flattening, or is that now in v7?
06:30 us^0gb Warr1024: I know what you mean.
06:33 paramat 0gb, yeah v7 and i added those materials
06:34 us^0gb Does anyone here know an IRC robot I can bounce text off of? I basically just need to be able to tell it ti tell me specific things.
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06:44 hmmmm [01:24 AM] <paramat> here's my 'uniflat' that hunts down crazy terrain in mapgen v7 and flattens it http://i.imgur.com/JSjwKFJ.png
06:44 paramat i wasnt expecting that floatland code to work first time. so now i'll have to get hold of a core dev or 2 and convince them to merge it for 0.4.8. thanks for the help 0gb
06:44 hmmmm paramat, if you don't like crazy terrain, why don't you just fiddle with the mapgen parameters?
06:44 paramat lol
06:44 hmmmm paramat, we're in a feature freeze but your thing is more or less a bugfix so we'd merge it no problem
06:45 paramat good i want a feature freeze
06:45 us^0gb It's started already? Great, I'm running out of time then.
06:45 hmmmm 0.4.8 happens on Wednesday
06:45 * us^0gb groans
06:46 hmmmm it's about time, right?
06:46 paramat right
06:46 us^0gb Maybe, bad timing for me though.
06:47 paramat only thing is i cant do the actual github pull request for this floatland code (sorry github newbie)
06:50 paramat oh ... the uniflat mod isnt for getting rid of crazy terrain, i like those mad mountains of 0.4.7stable v7, they make excellent cliffs for the flat area
06:51 hmmmm I was trying to get v6-like cliffs in some areas on v7
06:51 VanessaE I'd love to see v5 overhangs brought back :)
06:52 VanessaE those were epic.
06:52 hmmmm I really don't like how each mapgen has their own characteristics
06:52 hmmmm what would be really cool if different regions could have bits of each
06:52 paramat hmm'm i read your code for old and new v7 and got my head around it, mostly
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06:52 hmmmm so I'm thinking
06:52 hmmmm what if we generate different regions of the same map with different mapgens
06:52 hmmmm along boundaries between these regions, we interpolate them together somehow
06:53 VanessaE why not?  as long as you use water to blend them
06:53 VanessaE or do that
06:53 paramat v5 was 3D perlin noise i think, apparently it is very processing intensive
06:53 hmmmm lol that's gonna be tougher said than done
06:53 VanessaE interpolating between neighboring blocks is gonna be messy though
06:53 hmmmm paramat, 3d noise is extremely fast anymore
06:53 hmmmm I was waiting for celeron to reimplement it but he never did
06:53 paramat nice idea hmmm'm, about the differing mapgens
06:54 hmmmm yeah but we don't need more idea guys, we need guys to actually make it happen
06:54 paramat heheh
06:54 hmmmm like I said.... it's way easier said than done
06:56 paramat in exploring 0.4.7stable v7, although it had it's problems, the perlin noise modulated by another sometimes produced the most amazing forms, and i love the 'ridges' carved through everything
06:56 hmmmm it's carp
06:56 hmmmm crap*
06:56 paramat its fish
06:56 hmmmm lol
06:59 hmmmm see I'm not really satisfied with v7 at all
07:00 hmmmm even though it's technically "nice"
07:00 hmmmm some of it just requires fiddling, some of the parameters need fiddling as well, and then there are some parts that I can't figure out how to do
07:01 hmmmm one of the things I can't figure out is the biomes
07:01 paramat in my lua mapgens i had problems with terrain crossing vertical chunk boundaries
07:01 hmmmm the way Minecraft does biomes is that it just has two inputs, temperature and humidity, and from that it selects a biome which has an average height
07:02 hmmmm first, I don't like how a biome has influence over the terrain shape, but that's really the only way to do it correctly
07:02 hmmmm second, even if I wanted to do it that way, I couldn't make the terrain blend in properly
07:03 hmmmm see I tried this with the very first v7 prototype and as you can predict, there were lots of sharp ridges of discontinuous terrain between biome boundaries
07:03 Warr1024 I don't think minecraft has really done the temperature/humidity biome thing in a long time.
07:03 paramat i saw you mention voronoi diagrams for temp / humidity space
07:03 VanessaE well to be fair,
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07:03 hmmmm minecraft interpolates terrain a whole lot so it solves that problem, and it also makes the top of ridges nice and flat which is also nice
07:04 hmmmm I don't interpolate raw terrain points, I only interpolate noise
07:04 VanessaE terrain has little to no real relationship to humidity and temp, short of high elevations generally being colder, or watery areas generally being higher humidity
07:04 hmmmm well
07:04 hmmmm I disagree, it does have an indirect relationship
07:04 hmmmm cloud shadows
07:04 VanessaE ?
07:05 hmmmm err
07:05 VanessaE I mean the underlying terrain (dirt/rock) under things like snow-capped mountains or tree-laden forests
07:05 VanessaE oh you mean the leeward side of a mountain?  sure
07:05 VanessaE but we aren't modeling the American midwest here ;)
07:05 VanessaE (I think it's called a rain shadow)
07:05 hmmmm that's not what it's called, I forget what it's called
07:05 hmmmm rain shadow, probably
07:07 Warr1024 if your ambition is to make something THAT realistic, then it's no surprise that v7 has been a long time in the making.
07:07 VanessaE but anyway, I'm saying to mathematically generate the land, but change *what* you place based on whatever factors you want for the biome, not too different from what's done now.
07:07 VanessaE but with far more variation than we see now
07:07 paramat in my recent lua mapgens i reduce temp and humidity with altitude, so the terrain chooses the biome
07:07 VanessaE something like what paramat's mod does
07:08 VanessaE in fact I'd venture a guess that his method is exactly what's needed, but of course implemented in C++
07:08 VanessaE v7 was supposed to be able to do that, no?
07:10 hmmmm well
07:10 hmmmm I think so yeah
07:10 hmmmm in a more indirect fashion
07:10 paramat V, not sure if anything ive done is any solution for v7 *^_^*
07:11 paramat interpolating terrain is what my flatten mods do, but i have probably misunderstood your problem
07:12 paramat V, which mod are you referring to?
07:13 VanessaE um
07:13 VanessaE I can't remember the name now :)
07:13 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7366
07:13 VanessaE this one
07:13 paramat ah yeah
07:14 VanessaE I think that mod is a good approach at least to the biomes;
07:14 VanessaE the terrain is a different story, but once you have the terrain, the biomes should be able to just it right over it
07:14 paramat the temp / humidity spaces are 3D, snow biomes become more common on higher ground
07:15 VanessaE I mean, maybe you have a trench here, a river there, an 1km high mountain off that way, but what they're made *of* and what grows on them need not depend on anything but temperature, humidity, and elevation.
07:15 VanessaE s/an/a/
07:16 VanessaE (and of course a "this land is fertile" perlin layetr)
07:16 VanessaE (layer*)
07:16 paramat fertility perlin =)
07:16 VanessaE yep :)
07:16 VanessaE (as in plants_lib, of course ;) )
07:16 VanessaE but seriously.
07:17 VanessaE decide what to make the land out of and what to put on it based on temp/humidity/elevation[/fertility], but generate the actual underlying terrain's shape independently
07:18 paramat so i can see now is the time for me to start learning c++, github, fork and pulling, compiling etc i just noticed i have been at the forums just over a year
07:22 paramat so biome choosing the terrain seems backwards to me, terrain determines biome through altitude
07:23 paramat my temp and humidity spaces are 2D noise in x and z, plus a linear reduction with altitude
07:24 VanessaE that's how I do it also
07:25 VanessaE (2d noise that is)
07:25 VanessaE I don't account for elevation directly in the temperature model thoguh
07:25 VanessaE I check it separately.
07:27 VanessaE I probably should though, come to think of it.
07:27 VanessaE what parameters/model are you using?
07:28 paramat hm? temp and humidity?
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07:28 VanessaE I use the original snow biomes settings for the temperature, the in-game settings that generate the deserts as my humidity control, fertility is just made up
07:29 paramat ah i see
07:29 paramat the snow biomes mod temp perlin has far too small a spread, 150 nodes
07:29 VanessaE yeah, but I kept it because it was the standard :)
07:29 VanessaE I wanted to remain compatible
07:30 proller paramat,  you can use getHeat / getHumidity
07:30 paramat im using 500 nodes for temp and humidity, since the interaction tends to produce detail on half that scale
07:30 OldCoder I may sleep soon. If Sapier comes passing along sdata nil serialize issue would be appreciated
07:30 paramat hi proller :) yeah im looking forward to using that
07:31 VanessaE OldCoder: try to hold out a bit longer :)
07:31 VanessaE OldCoder: your kitten pile is dwindling because ^^^^^ he won't fix the kitten generator
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07:34 OldCoder Are the kittens ok
07:34 OldCoder I do not wish them turned into rugs and such
07:37 VanessaE naw, the remaining kittens are fine :)
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07:37 VanessaE but they're getting lonely, need more of 'em :)
07:38 paramat okay its late here in the UK, im off :P
07:46 OldCoder Glad
07:46 OldCoder Zzz
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08:13 VanessaE Ioff to bed too
08:13 VanessaE I'm off to bed too, rather.
08:13 VanessaE night all
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08:29 GNADev|zRokh hey doods
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08:34 hoodedice Anyone?
08:35 kaeza no
08:35 hoodedice debug.txt does not list every thing as in the console
08:35 hoodedice It misses some outputs out
08:35 kaeza debug_log_level = 4
08:35 hoodedice minetest.conf?
08:35 kaeza yep
08:36 hoodedice cool. Thanks
08:37 hoodedice Wow. It did note a lot now
08:37 hoodedice What is 'VERBOSE'?
08:39 hoodedice "irrlicht doesn't support removing renderers"
08:39 hoodedice ?
08:43 hoodedice kaeza
08:43 hoodedice While the new log level is highly detailed
08:43 hoodedice I cant find what I need
08:44 hoodedice It goes like "ERROR: generate shader blah blah'
08:44 kaeza well, you could start by telling what are you trying to do
08:44 hoodedice Found it
08:44 hoodedice Trying to work out RBA's GSL shaders on intel crapware
08:47 kaeza no idea about that, sorry
08:47 hoodedice This error line : Unary operation not folded into constant; is not showing up in the debug
08:47 hoodedice .txt
08:48 hoodedice Damn the Windows terminal emulator
08:48 hoodedice (aka cmd)
08:48 hoodedice IT IS SO GOD DAMN PRIMITIVE!!
08:51 hoodedice "done" https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=117522#p117522
08:51 hoodedice Thank you, kaeza
08:51 GNADev|zRokh who likes 2D Top-Down Survival games?
08:51 kaeza np... for what? :P
08:52 hoodedice Sup, GNADev|zRokh
08:52 hoodedice Thanks for... hmm... Even I dunno XD
08:52 GNADev|zRokh nothing much, developing a 2D top-down survival game...
08:53 hoodedice Python?
08:54 GNADev|zRokh Java :P
08:54 kaeza lol
08:54 GNADev|zRokh and im thinking about cross-platform multiplayer
08:54 GNADev|zRokh like NDS and PC can do multiplayer together etc...
08:55 GNADev|zRokh NDS version will be made after the beta is done for the PC
08:55 hoodedice NDS?
08:56 hoodedice nintedo
08:56 hoodedice lol
08:56 GNADev|zRokh yes
08:56 GNADev|zRokh Nintendo DS
08:56 GNADev|zRokh :P
08:56 hoodedice y u no android
08:56 hoodedice java after all
08:56 GNADev|zRokh android will be for sure
08:56 GNADev|zRokh and also iSoftware
08:56 hoodedice check out Zombie HQ by Rebellion on android
08:56 hoodedice icrap? meh
08:57 GNADev|zRokh thats just for the ones using istuff
08:57 hoodedice ZHQ is like, 2.5D but gameplay is nice...
08:57 GNADev|zRokh well Xorima will also be like 2.5D... here, have a screenie :D http://imgur.com/NBmWyr1
08:58 hoodedice That's 2D not 2.5
08:58 hoodedice Zelda-ish though
08:58 GNADev|zRokh exactly :D
08:59 GNADev|zRokh wanna try out the shitty-pre-pre-pre alpha?
09:00 hoodedice sure
09:00 hoodedice I think I have the JDK...
09:00 GNADev|zRokh then wait... let me compile it...
09:00 hoodedice Yeah, I do
09:00 hoodedice Wincrap
09:00 GNADev|zRokh btw, i think it uses JRE6... :D
09:00 GNADev|zRokh i use Linux :D
09:00 GNADev|zRokh but a shitty distro
09:00 hoodedice I used to
09:00 GNADev|zRokh Trisquel-mini
09:00 hoodedice use Xubuntu
09:02 hoodedice ima play swat4 now
09:02 hoodedice brb
09:04 GNADev|zRokh dood, its ready...
09:05 Peacock http://youtu.be/nv5fYWy3H9Q
09:05 kaeza lol Peacock
09:06 GNADev|zRokh http://gnadev.hj.cx/xorima
09:06 GNADev|zRokh the password is prealpha
09:08 GNADev|zRokh the game does not yet have a pause screen
09:08 GNADev|zRokh but it does have a functioning menu screen (except for the Options button, because i need to make them first :P)
09:08 GNADev|zRokh exept*
09:10 GNADev|zRokh minimum input requirments: Keyboard
09:10 GNADev|zRokh :D
09:12 kaeza well at least it's something
09:12 * kaeza died in lava ;_;
09:13 GNADev|zRokh lol :D
09:13 GNADev|zRokh i know :D
09:13 GNADev|zRokh its actually my school project :D
09:13 GNADev|zRokh need to finish a good part of it before that season that comes after winter... #BrainGlitch
09:14 GNADev|zRokh kaeza, what do you think?
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09:14 GNADev|zRokh there will also soon be an XP bar :P
09:14 kaeza has potential
09:14 GNADev|zRokh yay :D
09:15 GNADev|zRokh what if i told you that every friend that i have will get a key for the game when it hits beta and goes on Desura...
09:15 GNADev|zRokh the price will be $1.5
09:15 GNADev|zRokh :P
09:16 GNADev|zRokh including you :D
09:17 kaeza awww ♥
09:17 GNADev|zRokh dood O.O
09:17 GNADev|zRokh stop being a pussy and man up!
09:17 GNADev|zRokh NEVER give another man a heart!
09:17 GNADev|zRokh :D
09:17 kaeza ◉︵◉
09:17 GNADev|zRokh :D
09:18 GNADev|zRokh and also, i think that every month 3 people that share and like the facebook page will get a chance to win a key :P
09:18 GNADev|zRokh i think that would be good
09:18 GNADev|zRokh :P
09:20 kaeza I think you could get more support (and attract more devs) if you opensource it
09:20 kaeza does not mean you can't sell it
09:21 GNADev|zRokh i wont opensource it yet.... i will when we hit 1 000 000 copies sold
09:21 GNADev|zRokh :P
09:21 kaeza oh and no GPL pls
09:21 GNADev|zRokh i know
09:21 GNADev|zRokh GNU Public License... xD
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09:22 kaeza BSD ♥
09:23 Tux[Qyou] BSOD 3<
09:23 GNADev|zRokh <3 maybe?
09:23 GNADev|zRokh not 3<
09:23 kaeza BDSM <4
09:23 * kaeza runs
09:23 GNADev|zRokh hey Tux[Qyou], wanna try out the pre-pre-pre-alpha of Xorima?
09:24 Tux[Qyou] wat
09:25 hoodedice evil closed source project?
09:25 GNADev|zRokh pretty much...
09:25 hoodedice http://nooooooooooooooo.com/
09:25 GNADev|zRokh but its closed-source only for a temporary time
09:26 kaeza 1000000 copies is a bit ambitious :P
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09:30 hoodedice Too ambitious
09:30 GNADev|zRokh without ambition nobody will be successful
09:30 hoodedice It makes me remember
09:30 GNADev|zRokh kaeza, tell Tux[Qyou] that Xorima is safe
09:31 hoodedice Minecraft... "It will be open -sourced when no one wants it anymore"
09:32 GNADev|zRokh i know
09:32 kaeza no u
09:32 GNADev|zRokh but a wise man once told me (Zeg9) "Do it like id software did it; when the game hits enought copies, make it free, maybe open source"
09:32 hoodedice wow, it works, #Xorima
09:32 hoodedice teating now
09:33 GNADev|zRokh teating?
09:33 kaeza teating!
09:33 hoodedice testing -.-
09:33 hoodedice What are the buttons?
09:33 GNADev|zRokh WASD, SPACE
09:34 hoodedice Can't 'run' be switched off?
09:34 GNADev|zRokh run?
09:34 GNADev|zRokh you can't run :D
09:34 hoodedice yellow bar thingy
09:34 hoodedice Press space to respawn?
09:35 GNADev|zRokh yes
09:35 GNADev|zRokh :P
09:35 hoodedice Doesnt work
09:35 GNADev|zRokh yellow = energy, red = health
09:35 GNADev|zRokh rlly?
09:35 GNADev|zRokh hmm...
09:35 GNADev|zRokh then escape...
09:35 GNADev|zRokh wait there
09:36 hoodedice esc works
09:36 GNADev|zRokh yep, bug detected...
09:36 GNADev|zRokh :D
09:36 GNADev|zRokh i thought i changed it to space, but didnt...
09:36 hoodedice looks good
09:36 GNADev|zRokh thanks :P
09:37 hoodedice Though it's still ver 0.0.0.0.0.1
09:37 hoodedice XD
09:37 GNADev|zRokh i know :D
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09:37 * GNADev|zRokh is using Eclipse Kepler for the first time in his life
09:37 hoodedice Eclipse is... nice
09:37 GNADev|zRokh i know :D
09:38 hoodedice But again, I haven't really used anything else
09:38 GNADev|zRokh its a all-in-one IDE :D
09:38 hoodedice hmm
09:38 GNADev|zRokh Java, PHP, HTML, C, C++ etc
09:38 hoodedice Can I see the source for now?
09:39 kaeza eclipse? that bloated piece of shi^Wsoftware?
09:39 kaeza use jEdit :P
09:39 hoodedice Trust kaeza to tell that
09:39 hoodedice XD
09:40 GNADev|zRokh ok, hoodedice, but only with the current version!
09:40 Ritchie i like to write code in kate :)
09:40 GNADev|zRokh and later
09:40 GNADev|zRokh kate?
09:40 Ritchie text editor from KDE
09:40 hoodedice yeah
09:40 hoodedice I like to code in....
09:40 hoodedice Leafpad XDXDXDXD
09:40 Ritchie :D
09:41 kaeza cat anyone?
09:41 hoodedice Sure
09:42 kaeza oh right... Windows
09:42 kaeza you may want to use COPY CON Main.java :P
09:42 hoodedice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ
09:42 * Ritchie slaps Windows with a stick and runs away
09:43 hoodedice >Windows cracks
09:43 GNADev|zRokh hoodedice, i heard you have a cracked windows... can i has?
09:43 GNADev|zRokh :D
09:43 GNADev|zRokh #hoodediceIsAPirate
09:43 hoodedice I have 20 ays left...
09:43 hoodedice *days
09:44 GNADev|zRokh lol :D
09:44 hoodedice After obliterating Xubuntu from my PC
09:44 hoodedice And Kaspersky
09:44 hoodedice I had to repair install twice
09:44 hoodedice Then found out
09:44 GNADev|zRokh hood, you use Windows right.... then with what do you open the jar file with... javaw.exe doesnt work...
09:45 hoodedice I have the Android SDK and JDK
09:45 hoodedice So it opens
09:45 hoodedice So... Then found out
09:45 hoodedice My 'legit' key wasn't so...
09:45 GNADev|zRokh ok... because Tux needs help,and i needs help
09:45 hoodedice err, 'legit'
09:45 Tux[Qyou] kinda
09:45 GNADev|zRokh :D
09:45 hoodedice 20 days of PC use, and then restricted to an ubuntu live cd lol
09:46 * kaeza pokes hoodedice with ReactOS
09:46 Ritchie hoodedice: why doesn't you use linux?
09:46 hoodedice I do like ubuntu
09:46 hoodedice But ease of use for the rest of em
09:46 hoodedice AND GAMES!!!
09:46 hoodedice (lol)
09:47 hoodedice em = family
09:47 Ritchie i don't like ubuntu, i like debian
09:48 Ritchie with trinity desktop
09:48 Ritchie ubuntu - spyware
09:48 Ritchie https://fixubuntu.com/
09:48 hoodedice xubuntu
09:48 hoodedice -.-
09:48 hoodedice happy?
09:49 Ritchie btw - https://micahflee.com/2013/11/canonica​l-shouldnt-abuse-trademark-law-to-sile​nce-critics-of-its-privacy-decisions/
09:49 hoodedice What ubuntu did is what most corps do
09:49 hoodedice Nothing new
09:50 hoodedice Just a huge hullabaloo because it is supposed to be open source?
09:50 Ritchie hoodedice: i use kubuntu but there are some things why i doesn't like it
09:50 hoodedice you *doesn't* like it...
09:50 hoodedice I see nothing wrong in what Canonical did with Lee
09:54 Ritchie i had second hdd mounted to /media/Data, then someday was *surprise* and then my symlinks to that disk didn't work because somebody decided to change mount point to /media/<username>/Data and i had to find what went wrong if my symlinks didn't work
09:55 Ritchie because this behavior changed after some update
09:55 hoodedice 13.10 I guess
09:55 hoodedice Nah
09:55 hoodedice I don't remeber
10:00 GNADev|zRokh kaeza, you use linux?
10:01 kaeza yes, why?
10:01 GNADev|zRokh you know that button (on Gnome) at the top-left corner where you can see all the categories of programs?
10:01 GNADev|zRokh how do i add a program to there?
10:01 kaeza use a menu editor
10:02 kaeza if you mean for your game, look at the desktop file specification somewhere
10:02 GNADev|zRokh hey, is there like a folder for each category?
10:02 GNADev|zRokh i saw something like that somewhere
10:02 kaeza not really
10:03 GNADev|zRokh ok...
10:03 kaeza Wndows organizes the start menu as folders though
10:03 kaeza +i
10:03 Ritchie GNADev|zRokh: do a right click on that button, menu editor should be in ight click menu
10:03 Ritchie s/ight/right
10:06 GNADev|zRokh but arent
10:06 GNADev|zRokh i can only change the icon
10:09 GNADev|zRokh ok, done :D
10:09 GNADev|zRokh thanks
10:09 GNADev|zRokh kaeza, pop quiz: whats MyLyn?
10:09 kaeza huh?
10:09 kaeza !g mylyn
10:09 MinetestBot kaeza: http://www.eclipse.org/mylyn/
10:10 kaeza Eclipse :/
10:11 GNADev|zRokh Kaeza :/
10:11 GNADev|zRokh L:D
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10:11 john_minetest Hello everypony
10:11 kaeza hi john_minetest
10:11 hoodedice hey
10:12 GNADev|zRokh hi john
10:12 GNADev|zRokh hey, could you please give some feedback on my game?
10:12 GNADev|zRokh http://gnadev.hj.cx/xorima the password is prealpha
10:12 GNADev|zRokh :P
10:12 GNADev|zRokh kaeza (and i think that hoodedice) tried it already :D
10:13 hoodedice I did
10:13 GNADev|zRokh great :D
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10:13 hoodedice Lots of stuff yet to do, so it wasn't a serious test
10:13 kaeza wow so player, very miner, wow
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10:13 GNADev|zRokh yeah... but doods, you can suggest features and stuff :P
10:14 kaeza GNADev|zRokh, I did
10:14 GNADev|zRokh play it? i know you did :D
10:14 kaeza [07:20:48] <kaeza> I think you could get more support (and attract more devs) if you opensource it
10:14 GNADev|zRokh oh, and you also suggested that i got more devs :D
10:14 GNADev|zRokh im thinking about it... probably i will
10:14 hoodedice suggestion1 - Remove the damn yellow bar thingy
10:14 GNADev|zRokh or make the regen faster?
10:15 hoodedice Make the spending slower
10:15 GNADev|zRokh oh ok...
10:15 hoodedice Or put a 'walk' mode
10:15 GNADev|zRokh the energy is currently a double and walking takes away 0.01...
10:15 GNADev|zRokh ok
10:15 GNADev|zRokh i will :D
10:15 hoodedice =)
10:15 hoodedice Feat. request 1. GUNS!!!
10:15 hoodedice XD
10:15 GNADev|zRokh nah dood, swords and zombies!
10:15 GNADev|zRokh maybe guns
10:16 hoodedice Party?
10:16 GNADev|zRokh but then guns wont be craftable, they will be super rare :D
10:16 GNADev|zRokh party? what do you mean?
10:16 GNADev|zRokh found from chests :D
10:16 hoodedice AI which help the player?
10:16 GNADev|zRokh oh.... maybe :D
10:16 GNADev|zRokh because i am working on the zombies.... so when i get them to work, then
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10:17 GNADev|zRokh i dont have any ideas on how to make the zombies move to the direction of the player if (s)he is near
10:17 GNADev|zRokh but if you know java you could join :D
10:17 hoodedice I dunno anything
10:17 GNADev|zRokh ok... :D
10:17 hoodedice Draw a vector to the player and trace it
10:17 GNADev|zRokh aaanywayyysss... bye for now
10:17 GNADev|zRokh oh... :D
10:17 GNADev|zRokh ok :D
10:18 GNADev|zRokh but later doods
10:18 GNADev|zRokh gonna work outside...
10:18 GNADev|zRokh need woods
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10:29 reactor Hello, I am a computer program.
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10:52 reactor OldCoder: I have an idea.
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10:54 reactor OldCoder: what if I do the pre-catastrophe version of the city instead?
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10:57 john_minetest wtf...
10:57 john_minetest GNADev|zRokh wants me to download a .jar?!?
10:57 john_minetest Lol, how outdated.
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11:32 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:32 reactor o/ PilzAdam.
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11:38 Peacock simultaneously had dinner while the wife had breakfast XD jet lag without the jet :P
11:53 Megaf folks, is there a way to trace down the cause of these crashes? I will crash and in each crashes it "says" about a different mod, http://paste.debian.net/64802/
11:53 Megaf always pointing this (a nil value)
11:54 kaeza Megaf, there's a pull request to fix that
11:55 Megaf kaeza, so that's actually a bug and there is nothing I can do to fix that
11:55 Megaf ok, good to know there's people working on it, thanks
11:55 kaeza Megaf, I'm waiting for a core dev to merge it
11:55 kaeza https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/217
11:57 Megaf kaeza, I had a similar crash but then related to VanessaE's mod moretrees and so with VanessaE's homedecor and so with the node_ownership mod, always the same nil value, do you think it's all related to this "default" bug?
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12:29 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix crash updating gametype without game 7bd30b59ee 2013-11-09T04:30:44-08:00 http://git.io/FDsz1Q
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12:58 MinetestBot GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix game buttons not beeing 48x48 b6bb3ffec4 2013-11-09T04:58:57-08:00 http://git.io/pdKPzw
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13:18 OldCoder Hi
13:18 OldCoder Did I miss Sapier again?
13:20 reactor OldCoder:?
13:20 OldCoder reactor:?
13:20 reactor o/
13:20 OldCoder o/ back
13:20 reactor I have an idea, but I'm not sure if it's better.
13:20 OldCoder Why not share it?
13:21 reactor Pripyat before the shit.
13:21 reactor But it's more likely not better from the finding an application for it.
13:22 OldCoder Application?
13:22 OldCoder Do you mean the purpose of a world?
13:23 reactor Yes.
13:23 reactor And I have one more idea, might be better.
13:23 reactor Pripyat as of mid-90s.
13:24 reactor When some buildings were still alive.
13:24 john_minetest Is there a database that uses csv?
13:24 reactor And do personnel vs robbers.
13:24 john_minetest (native csv, not import)
13:25 reactor As in, robbers come from the abandoned surroundings, and the buildings' personnel protect valuable property there.
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13:26 reactor Not sure if better than plain deathmatch in fully abandoned place, though.
13:26 reactor But it would be more interesting from the modeling point of view, as in, model some buildings in their original state.
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13:30 john_minetest minetest uses SQL, right?
13:30 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Add BlockMen to core dev list 0aeecf3f7f 2013-11-09T05:28:00-08:00 http://git.io/0bBbbQ
13:31 john_minetest Why isn't it required for building?
13:31 PilzAdam sfan5, MinetestBot should post these commit messages only in #minetest
13:31 john_minetest (Or why isn't it on the list?)
13:35 OldCoder john_minetest, No
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13:35 OldCoder john_minetest, SQLite3 and MySQL can be used but LevelDB is an alternative
13:35 kahrl PilzAdam, why?
13:36 OldCoder reactor, that sounds interesting
13:36 OldCoder kahrl, will you consider merging httpfetch soon?
13:36 reactor OldCoder: maybe you have an idea how to apply it?
13:36 OldCoder Does anybody know when Sapier may be here?
13:36 OldCoder Reviewing further
13:36 kahrl OldCoder: it's up to the other devs
13:36 PilzAdam kahrl, MinetestBot gets kicked from other channels because its considered spam there
13:37 OldCoder reactor, I am not certain of what the question means
13:37 reactor The map, I mean.
13:37 reactor I'm kind of out of ideas
13:37 kahrl huh
13:37 kahrl like #minetest-de?
13:37 OldCoder kahrl, very well; to be clear, if I use httpfetch, it is client only patch; is this correct?
13:37 kahrl OldCoder: correct
13:37 OldCoder reactor, the map is good; shall we finish the details?
13:37 reactor OldCoder: I'm asking about what to do with it.
13:38 kahrl OldCoder: well, technically it adds lua api calls on the server side but I don't think you meant those
13:38 OldCoder kahrl, thank you. Difficult decision. I have the patch but if people without patched clients come the game is broken
13:38 kahrl OldCoder: those lua api calls aren't related to media download though
13:38 OldCoder reactor, you mean; whether creative or fighting?>
13:38 OldCoder kahrl, yes; I meant download speed
13:38 reactor OldCoder: kind of.
13:38 reactor OldCoder: idk.
13:38 PilzAdam kahrl, no, like ##minebest
13:38 kahrl ah
13:38 OldCoder kahrl, I can apply the patch but 80% of my visitors will be missing some textures
13:39 OldCoder reactor, why not wait and see. Invite people to visit and comment.
13:39 OldCoder reactor, Let us refine the world.
13:39 kahrl I like the messages in #minetest-de because it's a lot easier to see them all there because there's a lot less noise
13:39 reactor OldCoder: just building/surviving there would be not much different from many-many other maps, among which are maps that are a lot better for that
13:39 OldCoder There is time to decide.
13:39 OldCoder reactor, but it is an interesting world. Can be creative or fighting either.
13:39 reactor OldCoder: okay then. I get it we need to develop the map itself for a while.
13:39 OldCoder reactor, Not much work is needed. Coming along nicely.
13:40 reactor Where do I find people who could be interested in modeling buildings, too?
13:40 OldCoder reactor, I assume here
13:40 OldCoder And on forums
13:40 OldCoder kahrl, encourage people to help you merge as the decision is difficult. I wish to use your patch. But most people will have their own clients. And the clients will not get all the textures without the patch.
13:40 sfan5 PilzAdam: I haven't seen any channel where that is considered spam
13:40 reactor Oh well. I'm not very convincing. I don't know.
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13:40 OldCoder reactor, it will be fine
13:41 PilzAdam sfan5, ##minebest
13:44 reactor Besides, I don't have enough time/motivation to develop it myself. What I'm looking for is someone to pass the work on to, so that I can gradually stop maintaining it, but not be afraid what has already been done will be lost.
13:46 OldCoder reactor, Heh
13:46 OldCoder reactor, relax and take this one step at a time
13:47 OldCoder The world is just born
13:47 OldCoder It is too soon to plan for its old age :-)
13:47 reactor Well, I mean, eh.
13:47 OldCoder reactor, for now; just decide what is needed to polish the edges
13:47 OldCoder reactor, help me to document the world
13:47 reactor I'm going to gradually stop caring about things unrelated to my speciality, which is by far not game development.
13:48 OldCoder We will write a little about the buildings and history. You will check for broken mods. Then you can move on to other projects.
13:48 OldCoder I will run your world or pass it on to others.
13:48 OldCoder
13:48 reactor But I don't want all the stuff to be lost, because I've already invested time.
13:48 OldCoder See note above
13:48 reactor Oh.
13:48 reactor Well, the mods are okay.
13:48 OldCoder Visit the world, look for problems
13:48 reactor The map only relies on default, stairs and doors.
13:48 reactor And custom textures.
13:48 OldCoder Answer my questions in the near future and help me to write of the world
13:48 OldCoder Then go do a new project
13:48 OldCoder Is this fair?
13:48 reactor Yep.
13:49 reactor Thank you in advance.
13:49 OldCoder All right
13:49 OldCoder
13:49 OldCoder Certainly
13:50 reactor Documentation... Hmm. Well, I've kind of started making a list of places of interest, both present in the world and pending.
13:50 OldCoder Yes
13:50 OldCoder Spend a little time there
13:51 reactor We probably need a convenient manner of storing materials to base models on.
13:51 reactor Will a directory per building with a pile of photos in it be allright?
13:56 OldCoder Reviewing
13:56 OldCoder Of course
13:56 OldCoder This is more than most people provide
13:56 reactor Most of the materials I downloaded were "do not distribute", but I don't remember the links to refer.
13:56 reactor What do I do?
13:57 * OldCoder considers
13:57 OldCoder *Now* you tell us :-) What type of materials?
13:58 reactor Shall I just put a copyright notice in there? "The materials are present here only for convenience and consistency. No copyright infringement intended."
13:58 reactor Photos, videos of the place.
13:58 reactor From various sites.
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13:58 reactor Including youtube.
13:59 reactor I store data I find interesting locally, not to wait every time.
13:59 OldCoder reactor, the notice will not help :-) Photos of what place?
13:59 reactor Pripyat.
13:59 OldCoder This is a real place?
13:59 reactor ^
14:00 * OldCoder is curious. Is Pripyat real?
14:00 reactor What?
14:00 OldCoder <reactor> Photos, videos of the place
14:00 OldCoder Photos and videos of *what* place?
14:00 reactor What do you think I'm doing? I'm trying to recreate a real place ingame, ofc.
14:01 OldCoder I believe you are creating a world. They come from different sources.
14:01 reactor Why I started all this is, the author's representation was not precise enough.
14:01 OldCoder The materials can't go on official Minetest sites; but you can use them as models
14:02 reactor I'm talking about reference materials for modeling.
14:02 OldCoder Sure. Anyway reactor it is coming along. I must rest soon and then go to work.
14:02 reactor That can be used to determine sizes, shapes etc.
14:02 OldCoder I encourage you to write of the city
14:02 john_minetest http://www.procalculus.com​/fth/view.php?picture=141
14:02 OldCoder Document it; then you can go compose a song or other new projects
14:02 OldCoder john_minetest, I am falling asleep; what is that?
14:03 reactor Write to where? Web interfaces do confuse me, and suppress any intention to write.
14:03 reactor I could slap together a plain text description.
14:03 reactor But eh. Isn't the name self-explanatory?
14:03 john_minetest OldCoder: A funny pic
14:04 reactor I mean, does a world named "Pripyat" really need a description?
14:04 reactor !title
14:04 MinetestBot reactor: Full Time Humor
14:04 OldCoder john_minetest, thank you
14:04 reactor MinetestBot: not descriptive enough.
14:04 OldCoder reactor, yes; a paragraph and list of buildings. You already started that.
14:04 OldCoder reactor, Your world is nearly done
14:04 reactor Is it?
14:04 OldCoder For launch
14:04 reactor It's not by far. Most buildings are not done.
14:04 reactor Oh.
14:04 OldCoder Not much more is needed
14:05 sfan5 reactor: it's not MinetestBot's fault if the title of the webpage is not descriptive
14:05 OldCoder Relax and take this one step at a time
14:05 reactor Yes. We are to get the textures right, though.
14:05 reactor Otherwise, it's ready.
14:05 OldCoder All right
14:05 * OldCoder will nap now
14:05 reactor Also, I think firearms need be disabled for now.
14:05 OldCoder reactor, we can talk again
14:05 reactor Good night, OldCoder.
14:05 OldCoder reactor, I will restart today
14:05 reactor mk
14:05 OldCoder
14:05 OldCoder Zzz
14:06 reactor sfan5: it isn't.
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14:06 reactor sfan5: but everyone sometimes needs a scapegoat.
14:06 reactor s/scape/space/
14:06 reactor or s/space/scape/
14:06 reactor Damn it.
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14:10 issa2013 hello
14:10 issa2013 can u make cross compiling on linux to compile a windows version ?
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14:10 reactor s/u/you/
14:10 reactor s/ca/Ca/
14:10 reactor Probably yes.
14:11 issa2013 so i need to found how do that
14:11 issa2013 beacause i have a player with windows and i m using the mineste from today
14:12 issa2013 but compiling on linux
14:12 issa2013 so
14:12 issa2013 i need to  found how do that
14:12 Trfsrfr Good morning all! Im looking for the location of the code for the most simplest object in Minetest. I want to try and change the color of something. Im a newb Ubuntu user. Can anyone direct me
14:12 harrison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJlualhdUpc
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14:15 reactor issa2013: why not use your power of suggestion and convince that player to switch to a quality, supported operating system?
14:15 reactor john_minetest_: wb.
14:15 issa2013 because i have try but not working
14:16 reactor issa2013: then you need to work on your suggestion.
14:16 kaeza issa2013, ask sfan 5
14:16 reactor issa2013: what is holding that user back from switching?
14:17 issa2013 gaming
14:17 issa2013 is play many games not on linux
14:17 reactor Gaming can be done well under WINE.\
14:17 reactor He could dual-boot.
14:17 reactor Tons of options eh.
14:17 issa2013 o it's very difficul
14:17 issa2013 user i have think
14:18 issa2013 if u add somthink on the computer so the computer wil be slow
14:18 issa2013 so he is my fault
14:18 issa2013 so now i don't touch his computer
14:18 reactor 20:18 < issa2013> if u add somthink on the computer so the computer wil be slow
14:18 reactor Where'd you read that?
14:18 reactor Some toilet paper?
14:18 issa2013 :)
14:18 markveidemanis Hi
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14:19 ndjdjksisksk hi
14:19 ndjdjksisksk wtf
14:19 issa2013 this is the argument of people who don't understand nothing
14:19 reactor This is your problem. Do not ever read toilet paper. Wipe with it.
14:19 issa2013 on the computer
14:19 ndjdjksisksk it is still using ndjdjksisksk
14:19 issa2013 so i have decide to stop convert people to the reason is too dificult
14:19 reactor It is.
14:19 reactor But if the person is your friend, it is rewarding.
14:20 reactor You will lose at least one platform for possible disputes if you get it done.
14:20 reactor s/putes/agreement/
14:21 stormchaser3000 lol
14:21 stormchaser3000 hi
14:21 stormchaser3000 i am ndjdjksisksk
14:21 reactor What's the matter with you, sfan5?
14:21 reactor Oops. Not you.
14:21 reactor Silly completion.
14:21 kaeza stormchaser3000, O RLY?
14:21 reactor stormchaser3000, i mean.
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14:21 stormchaser3000 lol
14:21 stormchaser3000 ndjdjksisksk is my old username
14:22 stormchaser3000 (for prople that do not know that)
14:22 stormchaser3000 people*
14:22 kaeza I totally didn't notice [12:21:10] * ndjdjksisksk is now known as stormchaser3000
14:22 reactor Oh yeah.
14:22 reactor We must be blind or something.
14:22 stormchaser3000 um nvm
14:22 reactor Also.
14:22 reactor What do you mean "nvm"?
14:22 stormchaser3000 i forgot about irc and how it works lol
14:23 * stormchaser3000 is an idiot
14:23 reactor "never mind"? But that would be "nm", if properly abbreviated.
14:23 reactor What's the case with that stray "v"?
14:23 stormchaser3000 yeah nevermind is what i was trying to say
14:23 stormchaser3000 idk
14:24 stormchaser3000 everyone uses nvm instead of nm
14:24 stormchaser3000 lol i am on a chrome book
14:24 reactor Please note most people are retarded.
14:24 reactor You don't have to be one of them.
14:24 stormchaser3000 and i want to compile minetest
14:24 stormchaser3000 ok
14:25 reactor What OS?
14:25 stormchaser3000 chrome os
14:25 reactor I don't know if it's possible.
14:25 stormchaser3000 linux
14:25 stormchaser3000 yeah
14:25 stormchaser3000 i really don't think it is
14:25 reactor Does it have gcc?
14:26 stormchaser3000 unless i compiled it with all of the libraries and posted it on the chrome web store
14:26 stormchaser3000 um  i don't have mingw
14:26 stormchaser3000 on here
14:26 reactor What does mingw have to do with this?
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14:26 stormchaser3000 um idk what gcc is
14:27 stormchaser3000 :(
14:27 reactor Hard childhood. I see.
14:27 stormchaser3000 i do know that you need it to compile minetest
14:28 reactor How are you supposed to compile if you don't know what cc is?
14:28 MinetestBot GIT: kaeza commited to minetest/minetest_game: Rewrite player.lua 4c0c7ae146 2013-11-09T06:09:30-08:00 http://git.io/IuAocQ
14:28 stormchaser3000 um idk
14:28 kaeza \:D/
14:28 stormchaser3000 i have compiled minetest on linuc before
14:28 reactor Do you think compiling involves magic and miracles, stormchaser3000?
14:28 stormchaser3000 but this does not have a terminal
14:29 PilzAdam kaeza, also merged your commit about file closing into player_textures
14:29 kaeza huh?
14:29 kaeza now that was ooold O_o
14:29 reactor Oh. You're probably one of those who read and follow manuals, but don't understand what is actually going on.
14:29 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/player_textures/co​mmit/838266c3929929b43ae99045100a19c21399fd04
14:29 PilzAdam ^ this one
14:29 reactor You probably should stay away from technology, mate.
14:30 stormchaser3000 hey pilz adam i wold like to add per player skin suport
14:30 reactor He wold.
14:30 PilzAdam stormchaser3000, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3587
14:30 stormchaser3000 like in minetest classic
14:30 kaeza PilzAdam, thanks :)
14:30 stormchaser3000 but with out a mod and haveing it downloadeed from clients and uploaded to servers
14:30 reactor stormchaser3000: search the Internet, there is a mod.
14:30 stormchaser3000 i know
14:31 reactor Then what is your question?
14:31 issa2013 how active GLSL Shaders please
14:31 issa2013 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7570
14:31 stormchaser3000 but i want a mod that can download the skins from peoples clients
14:31 kaeza Megaf, see above
14:31 reactor Clients can't upload stuff, afaik
14:31 PilzAdam issa2013, are you on windows?
14:31 reactor But hmm. Curl has uploading capability.
14:31 issa2013 ubuntu
14:32 stormchaser3000 hey pilz adam do you know of a good terminal emulator foe chrome os
14:32 stormchaser3000 (linux)
14:32 PilzAdam issa2013, do you know how to compile Minetest?
14:32 reactor stormchaser3000: why don't you search the Internet?
14:32 issa2013 yes o have do it now i m playing with the last release dev
14:33 reactor s/last/latest/
14:33 stormchaser3000 idk um because i can't download programs on a chromebook
14:33 PilzAdam issa2013, download this branch and compile it: https://github.com/PilzAdam/​minetest/tree/rba_shaders_2
14:33 stormchaser3000 and install them unles it is from the googls store
14:33 stormchaser3000 or google play
14:34 reactor stormchaser3000: I've got an idea for you. Sell this castrated bastard and buy a machine on which you can install a full-featured, well-maintained OS.
14:34 stormchaser3000 lol i am going to install a real linux os on it when i get the chance
14:34 stormchaser3000 this is just for school right now
14:34 reactor stormchaser3000: chromebooks, android and apple tablets are like buying hemorrhoids, in my opinion.
14:34 stormchaser3000 but i want minetest on it
14:35 stormchaser3000 lol
14:35 stormchaser3000 true
14:35 reactor Buy a proper machine eh.
14:35 reactor And for god's sake, learn proper UNIX.
14:35 stormchaser3000 lol
14:35 reactor Beard is optional, and, in fact, deprecated.
14:35 john_minetest Woah, I wanna have the new rba shaders!
14:36 john_minetest wait for phonebloks tablets
14:36 stormchaser3000 hmmm i will se what i can do to the source code
14:36 PilzAdam john_minetest, theres a win build
14:36 john_minetest where?
14:36 reactor john_minetest: why don't you use a good OS instead?
14:37 PilzAdam john_minetest, https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=117470#p117470
14:37 john_minetest reactor: I need windows for university and playing games that don't work on wine but I don't like dualboot and using windows in a VM would be even SLOWER than running it normally
14:37 reactor I still dont get it why people deliberately do such nasty things to themselves. Macochism? Religiousness? Maybe mental problems?
14:38 reactor john_minetest: virtualization is NOT slower on moder machines.
14:38 reactor Because it's done in hardware.
14:38 reactor Once and for all.
14:38 reactor s/er /ern /
14:38 reactor Dual boot is even less likely to be slow.
14:39 reactor Nobody likes dualboot. But what else to do?
14:39 john_minetest reactor: Dual boot is likely to destroy my whole hdd
14:39 reactor Besides virtualisation, ofc.
14:39 john_minetest ALSO: My pc is dying
14:39 reactor If you have brain or hand problems, it is.
14:39 reactor But you don't.
14:39 john_minetest I don't want to experiment with OS when I have troubles to get it running anyways.
14:40 john_minetest Soon I will get a new PC which I
14:40 john_minetest will use as primary PC
14:41 issa2013 PilzAdam, ok that's work
14:41 issa2013 :)
14:41 PilzAdam nice
14:41 reactor issa2013: I wonder. What is you native language?
14:41 reactor s/you/your/
14:41 reactor "that's work"
14:42 john_minetest +ing
14:42 issa2013 it wouldb be interresting to add to move button for mouse
14:42 reactor stormchaser3000: IN YOUR FACE!
14:42 john_minetest ...?
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14:42 stormchaser3000 hi
14:42 john_minetest hi ^^
14:42 reactor Yeah! IN YOUR FACE!
14:43 stormchaser3000 ok now i am on my real linux computer
14:43 reactor Oh, really?
14:43 stormchaser3000 or real computer
14:43 stormchaser3000 yep
14:43 john_minetest No, it is an unreal computer
14:43 stormchaser3000 with minetest compiled aready
14:43 john_minetest With unreal tournament installed
14:43 reactor Angry German Kid?
14:43 stormchaser3000 no this one uses linux ubuntu
14:43 john_minetest ICH WILL UNREAL TOURNAMENT SPIELEN!!!
14:43 stormchaser3000 not chrome os
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14:43 reactor Ubuntu is the second Winblows.
14:44 PilzAdam john_minetest, WO IST DER ESC KNOPF!!!!!ONE
14:44 john_minetest OKAY; POSITIV DENKEN... ES LÄÄÄÄD... WARUM LÄD ES?!?!?!?1oneone
14:45 john_minetest AUS DEM WEEEEG! *throwing all kind of stuff from the desk*
14:45 arsdragonfly lol
14:45 arsdragonfly keyboard crasher?
14:45 john_minetest arsdragonfly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKSj0Z0spqo
14:45 arsdragonfly "Ich bin der Eche Gangster"
14:45 john_minetest !title
14:45 MinetestBot john_minetest: UT-Kid am Durchdrehen - YouTube
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14:46 john_minetest MANN, MACH HINNE! ICH WILL UNREAL TOURNAMENT SPIELEN!!!
14:46 PilzAdam lol, dat windows error sound
14:46 PilzAdam thats what you get when you use windows, kids
14:47 john_minetest at 0:40 he is throwing stuff from his desk
14:47 stormchaser3000 lol
14:48 arsdragonfly lol believe it or not this clip has been very hot even here in china
14:49 reactor That is a typical Windows user.
14:49 PilzAdam (Made in Germany)
14:49 arsdragonfly with tons of derivative works
14:49 arsdragonfly and in Japan,too
14:50 john_minetest "Wenn es läd, dann muss man immer so lange warten" -> Yeah, mr. obvious...
14:51 issa2013 zi think i have a problem wih moon is black ?
14:51 john_minetest And people think that counter strike makes people gangsters and aggressive...
14:51 reactor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9gkxT0WFJY
14:52 arsdragonfly "Ich brauche keine Hilfe, Ich brauche keine Hilfe!hahahahahaha!"
14:52 thexyz forum software which doesn't log moderators' actions is deemed to failure
14:53 arsdragonfly !title
14:53 MinetestBot arsdragonfly: Angry German Kid Reversed With Fake Subtitles - YouTube
14:54 issa2013 reactor, im french
14:54 reactor issa2013: you totally are.
14:54 issa2013 :)
14:54 issa2013 http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/824/q4p8.png
14:55 john_minetest those n00bs houses POW!
14:55 thexyz it's unsurprising punbb doesn't have one
14:55 reactor issa2013: mk.
14:55 reactor I hate widescreen displays.
14:55 issa2013 reactor, i realy  like it
14:55 kaeza dat unity desktop
14:56 reactor unity is bloated and slow
14:56 issa2013 i have e17
14:56 reactor And useless.
14:56 kaeza issa2013, e17 is equally useless IMHO
14:56 issa2013 imho ?
14:57 issa2013 no kaeza terminologie is just enormous
14:57 kaeza In My Humble Opinion
14:57 kaeza too much eye candy
14:57 issa2013 and all effect is good
14:57 issa2013 the problem is the skin of all other windows than not effl
14:57 issa2013 that not efl
14:57 issa2013 and omni is just magik
14:57 issa2013 kaeza, is too much eye candy and it's work prety cool
14:59 kaeza I prefer a simple desktop; Xfce or even Fluxbox/Openbox
15:00 kaeza IceWM is nice too
15:00 john_minetest when I tested enlightenment it was quite useless. But that was one year ago.
15:00 john_minetest I prefer dwm, i3 and similar
15:00 john_minetest Also xfce is quite nice.
15:02 john_minetest 1:44 -> UT-Kid reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbC0wFXrJn0
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15:04 reactor john_minetest: ?
15:06 issa2013 i think we need to test he really change and really good
15:06 issa2013 but for minetest
15:06 issa2013 what texture pack i can use ?
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15:14 reactor john_minetest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrkCbUhx_HI
15:15 reactor Note he has a hardon after trying to shove the remote up his.
15:15 reactor Probably sexuality problems.
15:17 john_minetest water flow seems to be not working with shaders
15:18 PilzAdam thats one of the bugs that needs to be fixed
15:29 issa2013 PilzAdam, what's the futur of this version ?
15:29 issa2013 what is u plan for this ?
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15:34 issa2013 lookat this --> http://www.buildaworld.net/
15:35 issa2013 it's build with irrlich the same 3D engine from minetest
15:45 markveidemanis http://cjdwoods.tumblr.com/post/58761701076/​yourstorysofar-dark-mother-the-russian-sleep
15:45 markveidemanis Very Disturbing
15:48 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/bPpkK
15:49 john_minetest markveidemanis: That is a stoneold thing from creepypasta.
15:49 thexyz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICURa0OH3d8
15:53 sfan5 !title
15:53 MinetestBot sfan5: Заниженный таз vs лежачий полицейский Russian tuning vs speed bump - [...]
15:54 reactor markveidemanis: this is old.
15:54 markveidemanis 70 years old in fact
15:55 markveidemanis Do you think it's real?
15:55 markveidemanis looks legit except some details
15:55 sfan5 ofc, every creepypasta is real
15:55 markveidemanis and the very last bit
15:55 reactor john_minetest: xD
15:56 reactor I tried not to sleep once.
15:56 reactor One the second day you start thinking your body is not yours.
15:57 markveidemanis and i sprayed shit on my windows, ripped out my guts and began screaming
15:58 reactor It's no big deal, as soon as you fall asleep, and you will, it will go.
16:01 markveidemanis The images look like a zimbie from half life
16:01 markveidemanis We are you. We are the madness that lurks within you all, begging to be free at every moment in your deepest animal mind. We are what you hide from in your beds every night. We are what you sedate into silence and paralysis when you go to the nocturnal haven where we cannot tread.
16:02 markveidemanis this is most certainly not the words of someone who was flinging his own shit
16:02 markveidemanis Or was it?
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16:11 thexyz is the old minetest.net website accessible somewhere?
16:13 sfan5 http://c55.me/minetest/oldsite/
16:13 sfan5 ^ thexyz
16:14 issa2013 sfan5, do u want explain me how cros compiling
16:15 issa2013 on linux to release minetest for xindows
16:15 sfan5 what's xindows? :P
16:15 john_minetest http://www.procalculus.com/fth/pictures/j​g_fulltimehumor1383842050_884964335_7.jpg
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16:15 issa2013 Windows
16:15 issa2013 :)
16:16 NekoGloop The only incorrect part of that diagram is the windows part
16:16 NekoGloop There's at least a couple more steps
16:17 NekoGloop but with Apple you're fucked
16:18 thexyz sfan5: thanks
16:18 john_minetest The linux part is also a bit deprecated.
16:19 thexyz how to fix linux — recompile the kernel
16:19 thexyz such fun joke
16:19 john_minetest "Blame SUN" is outdated, it must be "Blame oracle"
16:19 john_minetest Recompile kernel isn't intended to be a joke, I think
16:20 thexyz everythink on this page is intented to be a joke
16:20 NekoGloop except for the apple part
16:20 NekoGloop that's not a joke
16:20 NekoGloop that's literally the process for fixing an apple computer
16:20 thexyz stereotypes
16:20 NekoGloop bbl
16:21 thexyz call your friend who's "good with computers"
16:21 issa2013 so cross compiling on linux to release for windows ?
16:22 thexyz yes you can
16:22 john_minetest Rebooting windows also fixes a lot
16:25 john_minetest And writing random stuff to the registry.
16:25 sfan5 john_minetest: deleting the registry also works
16:26 john_minetest I fixed VMBox by deleting some usb filter entry somewhere in the registry.
16:29 reactor john_minetest: http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt​/assets/food/gas%20masks%20main.jpg
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16:30 john_minetest Those are unfinished gas masks. And now?
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16:31 reactor their faces
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16:32 markveidemanis I fixed windows. Use Hammer
16:35 thexyz finally
16:35 thexyz !sfu xyz
16:35 MinetestBot xyz Member 435 posts, registered on 2011-11-10 | id: 578
16:35 thexyz oh stupid bot can't work
16:35 thexyz such a surprise
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16:36 john_minetest lol, i first read "!stfu" :D
16:36 john_minetest !sfu john_minetest
16:36 MinetestBot john_minetest: No Results found
16:36 john_minetest !sfu jmf
16:36 MinetestBot jmf Member 161 posts, registered on 2012-11-05 | id: 3464
16:36 john_minetest !stfu john_minetest
16:36 MinetestBot john_minetest, someone thinks you need to shut the fuck up before you get muted.
16:36 john_minetest :D
16:37 thexyz sfan5: plz add colors
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16:37 sfan5 theTroy: there iz colors
16:37 sfan5 but colors are disabled here
16:37 sfan5 woops
16:37 sfan5 ^ thexyz
16:37 thexyz woops indeed
16:37 thexyz they aren't
16:38 thexyz test
16:38 john_minetest grey and fat
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16:38 sfan5 hm
16:39 sfan5 !sfu sfan5
16:39 MinetestBot sfan5 9Moderator 2,908 posts, registered on 2011-08-24 | id: 239
16:39 sfan5 green..
16:39 sfan5 !sfu celeron*
16:39 MinetestBot celeron55 6Administrator 356 posts, registered on 2011-04-19 | id: 2
16:39 MinetestBot Celeron56 4Banned 1 posts, registered on 2012-08-28 | id: 2834
16:39 sfan5 !sfu pilzadam
16:39 MinetestBot PilzAdam Developer 3,514 posts, registered on 2012-07-20 | id: 2443
16:39 sfan5 that works too..
16:40 thexyz oh
16:40 john_minetest colors
16:40 thexyz it just didn't add any colors for me
16:40 sfan5 yep
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16:41 rubenwardy How is that done?
16:41 thexyz haha logging bot is so retarded
16:41 thexyz 1like this?
16:42 sfan5 thexyz: the logging bot should s/\x03.//
16:42 rubenwardy Is it like markup, or do you copy and paste it like special ASCII characters
16:42 VanessaE hi all
16:42 thexyz sfan5: maybe
16:42 sfan5 rubenwardy: \x03<color>
16:43 sfan5 !g irc colors
16:43 MinetestBot sfan5: http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/colors.html
16:43 PilzAdam COLORS!
16:43 thexyz I did rant about there not being any sane logging software
16:43 rubenwardy \x03red Hello
16:43 thexyz you tried
16:43 rubenwardy \x03red
16:43 rubenwardy lol
16:43 sfan5 haha
16:43 VanessaE cornernote is alive!  (commenting on the mesecons repository)
16:43 rubenwardy 2 hi
16:43 rubenwardy ah ha
16:44 rubenwardy this is a wierd way of doing it
16:44 thexyz was he unbanned here?
16:44 sfan5 4are you sure?
16:44 VanessaE idk
16:44 rubenwardy 3Yep
16:44 VanessaE https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-me​secons/issues/123#issuecomment-28108553
16:45 rubenwardy ?1hi
16:45 rubenwardy 1hi
16:45 sfan5 9 you tried
16:45 PilzAdam 02http://minetest.net/
16:45 rubenwardy What is character is ctrl+k?
16:45 NekoGloop lol pilz
16:45 thexyz well that's cool, i guess
16:45 sfan5 rubenwardy: \x03
16:45 thexyz hope he won't post more gore here
16:46 PilzAdam now how do I tell xchat to automatically make links underlined and blue?
16:46 rubenwardy ah
16:46 NekoGloop magic
16:46 sfan5 3,3meow?
16:46 john_minetest woof
16:46 rubenwardy PilzAdam, settings->prefer->colors?
16:46 nore 8color test
16:47 nore it actually works!
16:47 thexyz sfan5: this (usually?) doesn't work in terminal emulators
16:47 sfan5 thexyz: I'm pretty sure it works in irssi
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16:48 thexyz sfan5: I'm talking about spoilers, when you select text in terminal emulator foreground and background is inverted so it still is invisible
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16:48 john_minetest Spoilers?
16:48 markveidemanis joined #minetest
16:48 markveidemanis This is all i have
16:48 * rubenwardy just turned on colored nick names, and wonders what happens
16:48 john_minetest Peach is in another castle
16:49 sfan5 2t3e4s5t 6c7o8l9or pls ig2n3o4r5e
16:49 sfan5 :D
16:49 markveidemanis HOW?
16:49 sfan5 magic
16:49 thexyz gay.pl
16:50 sfan5 ,16john_minetest
16:50 nore 1a2b3c4d5f6g7h8i9jlmnopqr
16:50 sfan5 ,16john_minetest!
16:50 markveidemanis abcdfghijlmnopqr
16:50 ShadowNinja Um, there ARE other channels with -c that you can test in...
16:50 thexyz ___________
16:50 thexyz /  _     _  \
16:50 thexyz | | |__ (_) |
16:50 thexyz | | '_ \| | |
16:50 thexyz | | | | | | |
16:50 rubenwardy Dont be homophobic, thexyz
16:50 thexyz | |_| |_|_| |
16:50 thexyz \           /
16:50 thexyz -----------
16:51 markveidemanis haha
16:51 thexyz \   ^__^
16:51 sfan5 eh
16:51 thexyz \  (oo)_______
16:51 thexyz (__)       )/\
16:51 sfan5 ShadowBot?
16:51 thexyz ||----w |
16:51 thexyz ||     ||
16:51 markveidemanis haha
16:51 thexyz okey
16:51 sfan5 mooo
16:51 thexyz <3
16:51 sfan5 :D
16:52 nore ,11Backgrounds too!!
16:52 PilzAdam #minetest: Was never found ontopic since -c again...
16:52 NekoGloop shadowbot ignores ops iirc
16:52 ShadowNinja sfan5: I disabled a protection method, my bot has virtually banned him a few times. ;-) But there is obviously a bug, probably with imunities...
16:52 VanessaE jeesh
16:53 nore irc logs... 16:50
16:53 nore nore
16:53 nore 1a2b3c4d5f6g7h8i9j10l11m12n13o14p15q16r
16:53 nore a few problems with colors
16:53 VanessaE colors don't bother me so long as people don't overuse them
16:54 NekoGloop meow
16:54 VanessaE (I figure the novelty will wear off sooner or later)
16:54 sfan5 7,13S9,8p,2a,5a5,3a,10a7,2a2,12a4,2a​,10c,4e3,15e,9e,12e9,12e,12e3,9e9,5 3,10K9,8i8,10t,6t,5e6,15n4,14!,6 ,14<7,33
16:54 VanessaE NekoGloop: fix the damn kitten generator ;)
16:54 ShadowNinja ^ If they are abused any more +c comes back.
16:54 john_minetest :3
16:54 NekoGloop It is fixed
16:54 sfan5 my attempt obviously failed
16:54 nore
16:54 NekoGloop relatively fixed
16:55 rubenwardy Will will please stop doing this!
16:55 rubenwardy *we
16:55 sfan5 7Y4es 4we4 8w6i5ll6!
16:57 rubenwardy wuu2, all?
16:57 PilzAdam        .__               __                   __
16:57 PilzAdam  _____ |__| ____   _____/  |_  ____   _______/  |_
16:57 PilzAdam /     \|  |/    \_/ __ \   __\/ __ \ /  ___/\   __\
16:57 PilzAdam |  Y Y  \  |   |  \  ___/|  | \  ___/ \___ \  |  |
16:57 markveidemanis interrupt
16:57 PilzAdam |__|_|  /__|___|  /\___  >__|  \___  >____  > |__|
16:57 kaeza nope
16:57 PilzAdam      \/        \/     \/          \/     \/
16:57 sfan5 !kick markveidemanis you fool
16:57 markveidemanis was kicked by MinetestBot: you fool
16:57 rubenwardy (What you up to?)
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16:58 markveidemanis F**you
16:58 PilzAdam markveidemanis, stop insulting others
16:58 markveidemanis .....
16:58 sfan5 (rubenwardy: writing things in braces)
16:58 thexyz 5Pi4lz7Ad8am9: 3having f2un 6tim5e?
16:58 markveidemanis ▄███▄░░▄███▄░░████▄░████▄░██▄░░▄██
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16:59 PilzAdam thexyz, Im a bit bored
16:59 rubenwardy parentheses!
16:59 thexyz I see
16:59 sfan5 I think I'm going to add a rainbow mode to MinetestBot
16:59 * sfan5 pets MinetestBot
16:59 rubenwardy lol
16:59 VanessaE eek
16:59 VanessaE someone discovered figlet.
17:00 nore sfan5, add a "Colored Minetest banner" like PA did...
17:00 sfan5 nore: and it is pasted when someone says minetest?
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17:00 PilzAdam D:
17:00 kaeza D:
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17:00 sfan5 D:
17:00 PilzAdam <red>D:</red>
17:00 Tiktalik █░░░███░█░░
17:00 Tiktalik █░░░█░█░█░░
17:00 Tiktalik ███░███░███
17:01 Tiktalik figlet is for noobs
17:01 Tiktalik pros make their text MANUALLY
17:01 sfan5 ascii..
17:01 rubenwardy sfan5, how about for rainbow mode: !mlp david    \n   <MinetestBot> David is my favorite pony!
17:01 Tiktalik even if it takes forever
17:01 nore color flood
17:01 sfan5 rubenwardy: haha
17:03 nore has logging bot been updated to handle colors?
17:03 thexyz no
17:03 sfan5 MinetestBot?
17:03 sfan5 MinetestBot!
17:03 MinetestBot sfan5!
17:04 nore why is there no problem in logs now then?
17:04 nore http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2013-11-09#i_3425344
17:05 thexyz because someone unfun disabled it again
17:05 rubenwardy what
17:05 nore I'm still seeing colors here... strange
17:05 sfan5 nore: the text by markveidemanis uses ascii dos charsa
17:05 sfan5 -a
17:06 nore sfan5, yes but what I said was colored
17:06 nore and yet there are no problems
17:06 nore or wasn't it?
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17:06 thexyz that's probably your irc client
17:06 issa2013
17:06 sfan5 nore: many client still show the color even if it doesn't get through
17:06 issa2013 sfan5, PilzAdam  about the cross compiling ?
17:06 sfan5 clients have no way to verify
17:07 nore ok... so color mode was disabled... :(
17:07 thexyz fuck ops
17:07 thexyz r-right?
17:08 nore and is there any way to know who did that?
17:08 sfan5 no
17:08 PilzAdam issa2013, look at util/buildbot/buildwin32.sh
17:08 thexyz well if sfan5 says so
17:08 sfan5 technically no
17:09 thexyz okey
17:09 thexyz now have a fun pic http://cs7011.vk.me/c540106/v5​40106120/56b2/Q5cbgifx5KI.jpg
17:13 markveidemanis https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak​-ash3/q71/556477_1409180825963910_140776713_n.jpg
17:16 reactor ?
17:17 reactor john_minetest: is this German: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFVwiqTAzb4?
17:18 john_minetest Reactor: Sounds like czech, russian or polish.
17:18 reactor mk
17:19 markveidemanis http://forums.soldat.pl/index.php?topic=41633.0 read
17:23 sfan5 markveidemanis: can you please stop?
17:23 sfan5 MinetestBot: quit
17:23 markveidemanis disturbing isnt it?
17:23 sfan5 markveidemanis: can you please stop?
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17:24 john_minetest sfan5: Remember to use !stfu
17:25 sfan5 I will!
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17:33 issa2013 PilzAdam, http://pastebin.com/j7aF1DTr
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17:33 PilzAdam issa2013, of course you have to install mingw
17:33 Jordach evening all
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17:34 PilzAdam hey Jorroof
17:34 Jordach wat
17:34 PilzAdam (Dach is german for roof)
17:34 Jordach wat wat wat
17:36 john_minetest Going to live forever when I go on like I do: https://asset-2.soup.io/ass​et/6079/8572_2433_500.jpeg
17:43 issa2013 who is the leader dev of minetest ?
17:43 Calinou issa2013: celeron55
17:43 PilzAdam there is no lead dev, all core devs are equal
17:44 PilzAdam c55 is just the one who started it all
17:44 thexyz but some devs are more equal
17:45 Jordach mmm chinese food....
17:45 Jordach not even the curry is spicy enough, its a pussy!
17:46 issa2013 PilzAdam, Calinou u mak some dev for minetest to ?
17:46 issa2013 what are u doing in the real life
17:46 Jordach ...plays minetest? :D
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17:48 issa2013 :)
17:48 issa2013 so
17:48 issa2013 i played in minetest i do a little home server
17:49 issa2013 but i explore the map
17:49 issa2013 but when i m dead i respawn to loong from where i am so how please ?
17:50 hmmmm there are bed mods IIRC
17:51 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2625
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17:52 Calinou I'm not core dev
17:52 Calinou but I contribute a bit, and make mods/packs
17:53 reactor issa2013 просрал все полимеры.
17:54 thexyz this is gonna be good https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=117421#p117421
17:55 Jordach lol
17:55 Jordach religion ftl
17:55 reactor Totally.
17:55 reactor Religion is ignorance by choice.
17:55 Jordach but science and legends agree on that we came from clay hydrogels
17:57 reactor Why not.
17:59 * rubenwardy is having pizza and chips
17:59 Jordach lol rubem
18:00 rubenwardy with mayonaise!
18:01 reactor Have fun with bowel problems later in life.
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18:03 thexyz live fast die young
18:03 thexyz don't care about shit like this
18:04 thexyz right?
18:05 thexyz because this of course will never happen to you
18:05 rubenwardy It is an odd meal for me
18:05 rubenwardy Yesturday I had homemade curry
18:05 issa2013 reactor, wtf
18:06 john_minetest I have got ramen and fish :3
18:08 rubenwardy I am pretty sure my fitness level is going to cause more problems than what I eat
18:08 reactor issa2013:
18:09 reactor Eh?
18:09 reactor rubenwardy: I see.
18:10 issa2013 <reactor> issa2013 просрал все полимеры.
18:10 issa2013 sorry i don"t understand russia
18:10 reactor Aight.
18:10 * Menche google translates
18:11 thexyz lol
18:11 thexyz it won't help you
18:11 Calinou rubenwardy: it's not hard to walk/run a bit every day, you should do it :P
18:11 rubenwardy I just took my puppy for a 1hr walk :P
18:11 reactor He's a lazy ass.
18:12 rubenwardy yep
18:12 reactor I won't be surprised he also runs Windows on all his machines.
18:12 rubenwardy Nope
18:12 rubenwardy Ubuntu / Windows
18:12 reactor Ubuntu.
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18:13 reactor I rest my case.
18:13 rubenwardy I find windows more productive
18:13 reactor Oh yeah?
18:13 rubenwardy yep
18:13 rubenwardy Except in a few cases
18:13 reactor You really are strange.
18:13 issa2013 :)
18:13 rubenwardy ie: when updates are downloading, or when the antivirus is running
18:14 rubenwardy nope, reactor
18:14 reactor I see. It's not issa2013 who просрал все полимеры, it's you.
18:14 rubenwardy nope, reactor, I am just part of the 46.42%
18:14 thexyz issa2013: roughly, it means something like "all is lost, we're fucked"
18:14 reactor 46.42% of what?
18:14 rubenwardy You are part of the 1.61%
18:14 rubenwardy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us​age_share_of_operating_systems
18:14 Menche that > google translate > fucked all polymer being.
18:14 reactor I see.
18:14 thexyz I'm not sure why are reactor talking russian here but I'm not really surprised
18:14 thexyz s/are/is/
18:14 reactor Menche: wrong.
18:15 Menche lol
18:15 thexyz no, he's 0.11 i think
18:15 * Menche likes google translate mainly for it's humorous incorrect translations
18:15 reactor Did you know 95% of people are retards?
18:15 thexyz because *bsd iirc
18:15 reactor I don't mean anything, just a food for thought.
18:16 rubenwardy Ubuntu is a better OS
18:16 thexyz who knows
18:16 reactor If you're a lazy dweeb, yes.
18:16 Menche google translate offers several alternate translations but is convinced you're talking about polymers.
18:16 thexyz https://fixubuntu.com/
18:16 rubenwardy But all my projects and IDEs are on Windows
18:16 reactor Menche: I am.
18:16 thexyz Menche: it's a meme
18:16 reactor IDE. I wonder who needs that shit.
18:16 thexyz it's hard to explain
18:17 rubenwardy You need them to compile
18:17 thexyz watch a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBX2czMmZSU
18:17 Menche you need an IDE to compile?
18:17 reactor HA!
18:17 rubenwardy Not for all
18:17 reactor IN YOUR FACE!
18:17 rubenwardy For VB
18:17 * Menche just makes a Makefile
18:17 john_minetest An ide to compile?
18:17 john_minetest lol
18:17 john_minetest What a funny thought
18:17 rubenwardy Fuck off. reactor!*@* added to ignore list.
18:17 reactor Mkay.
18:17 thexyz lol
18:18 thexyz you don't seem very popular
18:18 rubenwardy Me or him?
18:18 thexyz reactor
18:18 reactor An IDE to compile. You've made my day.
18:19 thexyz hm.. this is weird
18:19 thexyz this is when ops usually appear to stop flamewar
18:19 thexyz or whatever should that be called
18:19 thexyz but there aren't any
18:19 thexyz yet they find time to enable +c or do some other unfun shit
18:19 john_minetest thexyz: Remember the !stfu command
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18:20 thexyz how's that related to ops not being here?
18:21 rubenwardy reactor!*@* removed from ignore list.    :P
18:22 thexyz that was fast
18:22 thexyz it took longer for me
18:24 reactor Night night.
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18:29 dafull97 hey guys
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18:32 VanessaE oh sure, I step away to read forums and fix a quick bug in pipeworks, and the whole channel goes to hell
18:34 dafull97 when does craigy ormally get on?
18:35 VanessaE idk
18:35 dafull97 k, haha
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19:21 NekoGloop I don't have hooves
19:22 * john_minetest brohooves Calinou
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19:24 PilzAdam john_minetest, http://youtu.be/w2lnMWOld38
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19:29 VanessaE bbl
19:33 thexyz Very boring U know wen u open it it will just wait 2 min. But its more dan 2 min. On it so i will rate it 2 stars because u will wate 2 min. On it and it will just stop on it so i dont like this game and i will uninstall on it sooooooo very lame game!:'(
19:35 PilzAdam thexyz, the 2 minute problem is solved in the current dev version
19:35 thexyz it's about android version
19:36 thexyz lol
19:36 thexyz russian comments are even more hilarious
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19:58 DarinM1967 Hey everybody.  PilzAdam's recommended I come here for help with my blender to direct x issue, since the other channel "minetest-mods" is pretty dead.
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20:03 DarinM1967_ Sorry I dropped out.  Tried reloading the page and had to log back on.
20:04 Ritchie DarinM1967_: hi, you dropped because your IP address has changed
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20:18 DarinM1967 Sorry I'm back again.  Sorry for being a pop in and out pest, but the web based system wasn't working very well.
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20:20 DarinM1967 I never could tell whether or not any of you could see my messages.  If any of you could please let me know. If not I'll repeat myself.  Thanks in advanced for any assistance you can give. :)
20:21 PilzAdam DarinM1967, nobody sees your messages
20:22 DarinM1967 Really?  PilzAdam's were you able to?
20:22 PilzAdam no
20:23 PilzAdam DarinM1967, you could just look at the logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/
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20:27 DarinM1967 Okay then I'll try to explain it again.  I am using PilzAdam's Simple Mobs with BlockMan's Wasteland mod and it works great, but I'm having problems exporting a modified version of PilzAdam's "sand monster" as a direct x file, which is now a zombie.  Anyway, when I spawn the zombie in it's really small, has no animations and the only part of the texture showing is it's chest and back.
20:28 DarinM1967 I'm using blender 2.69 on Windows 7 64 bit.
20:28 PilzAdam I cant help you with that problem, since i havent made the models for simple mobs
20:28 PilzAdam I guess Jordach could help you a bit
20:29 DarinM1967 That would be great.  Should I wait till he responds or Private chat him?
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20:29 MinetestBot GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Weather: Fix uninitialized weather_update_time (sorry proller) b401e58c0d 2013-11-09T12:29:22-08:00 http://git.io/EGyeFA
20:30 DarinM1967 Btw PilzAdam Simple Mobs is a great mod.  It's simple and clean.  Nice job.
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20:34 DarinM1967 While I'm waiting for Jordach to respond. I'm curious if any of you have tried BlockMen's "Wasteland". It's a really cool premise.  I run PlizAdam's "Simple Mobs" with it and have modified the init.lua so that only rats appear and they do very, very rarely.
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20:53 us_0gb I need a recipe for my landclaim nodes. I want to use nine steel blocks, but according to my latest census, there isn't that much iron in the ground.
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21:00 stujones11 DarinM1967: see https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4728
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21:29 Jordach wat
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21:53 paramat PilzAdam, the floatlands fix was tested by us^0gb last night and seems to work https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/989
21:53 OldCoder Sapier is asleep, I assume
21:54 OldCoder Well, if anybody would like to work on MT with me let me know
21:54 OldCoder The worlds are rising again
21:57 paramat Adam ... however i cannot do the actual github pull request is that is required
22:00 thexyz OldCoder: sapier seems to be actively talking in #-dev and submitting pull requests, he must be busy, not asleep
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22:00 OldCoder thexyz, t y but as he is not here perhaps I should not disturb him
22:00 OldCoder Would he mind?
22:00 thexyz dunno?
22:00 OldCoder Hmm
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22:01 Peacock good morning minetestians
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22:03 paramat Hi P
22:05 Peacock http://youtu.be/NZRu2tKTS1Q
22:08 paramat heh he's a peacock!
22:08 us|0gb Good morning!
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22:13 Peacock for your bishop ring mod: you could close the top with glass, essentially making it a very long tube lol
22:13 Peacock http://www.terasemweb.org/​images/Stanford_Torus.jpg
22:13 Peacock sorta like that
22:14 paramat hmm
22:14 paramat yeah thats so small it needs a top to keep atmosphere in
22:15 Peacock im not entirely sure how big an object has to be to hold an atmosphere
22:15 paramat 100 kms to stop atmosphere leakage?
22:15 Peacock though in Mars's case it's the lack of a magnetic field that accounts for the weak-ass atmosphere on that planet
22:17 Peacock considering the size of maps though, you could probably fit in quite a few rings and have a multi-colony thing going
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22:18 paramat yep 1D horizontal realms can be side-by-side or stacked
22:21 paramat mapgen talk on dev channel at 18:16 *reads*
22:24 paramat i think of MT atmosopheres as being 1-2kms deep, since clouds dissappear from view at y = 2100, when the clouds dissappear i consider that orbit or space
22:25 Peacock well the clouds in mt were set ridiculously low to begin with
22:25 Peacock not sure if it's still the case, i always disable them
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22:27 cy1 So apparantly in the 1.7 update minecraft devs had the brilliant innovation of referring to their blocks and entities by name instead of an ID number.
22:28 us|0gb You know what? That's a great idea! We should copy that idea.
22:28 Peacock cyl that was convered on the forums lol
22:28 Peacock and as it was said there, namespaces weren't invented by MT lol
22:30 cy1 I know. I just like rolling in irony.
22:30 Peacock irony? lol
22:31 cy1 For the record I think referring to blocks by ID numbers is the better idea, but only if you can keep the client and server in sync.
22:31 cy1 With diverse servers that gets intractable fast.
22:31 us|0gb Yeah, I agree.
22:31 cy1 Unless you can download client mods, from the server itself. Trusted code execution, anyone?
22:32 cy1 ...anyone?
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22:32 us|0gb The numbers take less space in the databases too.
22:32 * cy1 crickets
22:32 Peacock i really dont get the psychology here sometimes lol we copy so much from MC, but when MC does something slightly like MT, people go nuts lol
22:32 us|0gb I don't care if they copy us. It's a compliment.
22:32 cy1 Peacock: They're closed source. We're open source. I don't see how that's hard to get.
22:33 us|0gb Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
22:33 Peacock i dont really see where licensing comes into it cyl lol
22:33 cy1 us|0gb: It could be like for palette images, where you download a list of string identifier -> integer and then the block data is just integers.
22:33 Peacock ogb agreed, we have two very similar games, obviously they're going to employ some of the same ideas
22:33 cy1 Peacock: licensing? Closed source is a physical technique.
22:34 Peacock cyl what?
22:34 cy1 Licenses are only as good as people uphold them. Closed source will stay closed no matter what you say about it though.
22:35 Peacock yeah but what does any of that have to do with both games sharing common features?
22:35 us|0gb cy1: Doe that not happen? In the C++, I thought the server (and probably the client) dealt with nodes by identifier numbers assigned at the time of node registration.
22:35 cy1 eh, I just think that it's more abrasive when secretive hostile apps copy, because even Notch could commit a patch to minetest.
22:35 cy1 us|0gb: ...you know, I'm not sure. Now that I think about it, you might be right.
22:36 Peacock well you can' GPL an idea cyl lol
22:36 Peacock those are called patents, and last i checked, RMS was against those too
22:36 Peacock and namespaces are hardly unique to MT, as i said early on
22:36 cy1 but us modding minecraft? good luck! Get your decompilers and deobfuscaters cracking. You might figure out how to just barely get started in a year or so. :p
22:36 Peacock ogb PA explained that nodeids change when nodes are added/removed
22:37 Peacock cyl well obviously some people do succeed at modding MC
22:37 us|0gb Peacock: You are discussing open/closed source, a thing that has nothing to do with Stallman. Some open source stuff doesn't meet his standard either.
22:37 cy1 Yeah they do... after a massive waste of time and labor.
22:37 Peacock naw cyl is discussing open/closed source, and i dont get what that has to do with namespaces lol
22:38 cy1 It has to do with copying.
22:38 cy1 And why people make an uproar about open -> closed, but not closed -> open
22:38 us|0gb Peacock: How do you remove nodes?
22:38 Peacock cyl well obviously they think it's worth it, and they have the userbase for them to feel they get enough respect out of the effort
22:38 Peacock cyl copying what exactly?
22:39 Peacock ogb well nodes are removed when you no longer register them
22:39 us|0gb THat's not removal then, and of course that would change the IDs if they are assigned at registration time.
22:40 OldCoder Does anybody wish to try Octuteam Revived? kaeza?
22:40 Peacock well they're removed in the sense that you had the node before but no longer after deleting the register node code
22:40 cy1 What's param0 used for again...?
22:40 us|0gb OldCoder: Is that a server or module?
22:40 OldCoder us|0gb, It is a world that is over a year old
22:40 OldCoder Nice and complicated
22:40 us|0gb Param0 might be the node ID or node number.
22:40 OldCoder If it still works with new technic and mesecons
22:40 cy1 Ah, great!
22:41 cy1 Then yes us|0gb, there is a lookup table for string -> integer ID
22:41 us|0gb Oops, I meant node ID or node name.
22:41 cy1 not sure where it is, but the block data definitely considers param0 to be a uh...
22:41 cy1 16 bit integer.
22:41 Peacock minetest.get_content_id(name) -> integer
22:42 us|0gb OldCoder: If this is a hosted world to log into, I'll try it, but I don't have the resources to run a world right now.
22:42 us|0gb Oops, too late.
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22:42 cy1 OldCoder: Where is it located?
22:42 us|0gb OldCoder: If this is a hosted world to log into, I'll try it, but I don't have the resources to run a world right now.
22:43 OldCoder us|0gb, cy1 *I* run my worlds :-)
22:43 OldCoder I had 20 and I am reviving them one by one
22:43 OldCoder If there are people to review for broken stuff I will restart the 3rd world
22:43 OldCoder Octuteam
22:43 us|0gb Okay, just being sure before I commit to anything.
22:43 OldCoder Pretty damn complicated
22:43 OldCoder Lots of farms and windmills or whatever
22:43 us|0gb SO we are looking for broken nodes then?
22:43 OldCoder Hang on I lost my sessions
22:43 us|0gb *So
22:43 OldCoder Anything that needs to be fixed
22:44 OldCoder If I have 2 volunteers I will set it up in the next hour
22:44 us|0gb I'll do it.
22:44 cy1 sure
22:44 us|0gb (In another voice) I'll do it as well.
22:45 Peacock multiple personalities, interesting :P
22:45 OldCoder Heh
22:45 cy1 They both type on the same keyboard. It's double hacking.
22:45 OldCoder I have updated the mods, stuff is broken. We will see.
22:45 OldCoder Waiting for Animals ATM.
22:45 OldCoder Sapier is reviewing things.
22:45 us|0gb That second one wasn't me, Peacock. *whistles suspiciously*
22:45 Peacock Deepthroat?
22:45 OldCoder Umm
22:46 Peacock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/Deep_Throat_(Watergate))
22:46 OldCoder Ah
22:46 Peacock get your minds out of the gutters :P
22:46 OldCoder
22:46 * OldCoder whistles
22:46 Peacock lol
22:47 us|0gb Gutters, what? I'm thinking of Kermit the Frog.
22:47 cy1 Animals? Another mob framework? :/
22:47 OldCoder Good old Kermit
22:47 OldCoder cy1, the cows and sheep and birds and fish
22:47 cy1 Oh, mobf.
22:47 OldCoder I am about to try a new release yes
22:47 OldCoder This saving old worlds stuff is tricky
22:47 Peacock goods, i got my 5x5 craft guide working
22:48 OldCoder Shall I add your mod?
22:48 cy1 but do you have any recipes? D:
22:48 OldCoder Does it conflict with zcg craft guide?
22:48 Peacock though for some reason set_list() doesn't set the output of get_craft_recipe in the right tiles, i have to loop through the table
22:48 Peacock dont know if bug or intended
22:48 * us|0gb wonders what kind of dirty thoughts Peacock has about the green Muppet
22:49 Peacock well as far as i can tell, none of the craft guides i tried work correctly
22:49 cy1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOn1htjSZic
22:49 OldCoder Peacock, tried zcg?
22:49 OldCoder And does yours conflict with that?
22:49 Peacock yeah it depends on an inventory mod i dont want/need, i need the craftguide to be standalone
22:50 Peacock its gonna be like an RTS-type research station
22:50 cy1 RTS?
22:50 Peacock real time strategy, you usually have to research stuff before being able to build the complex stuff
22:51 cy1 Ah, huh.
22:51 Peacock so the craft guide im working on wont reveal everything at once
22:51 Peacock though you'll still be able to guess/craft stuff
22:52 Peacock but with a 5x5 grid, that could take a while lol
22:52 cy1 Gotcha...
22:53 Peacock i still need to add a machine slot since half the stuff ins't crafted but made in a factory-type node
22:53 Peacock and i only got about a dozen machines lol
22:55 Peacock next up, the vmanip shield gen
22:55 OldCoder
22:55 OldCoder snow depends on stairsplus but stairsplus is gone... should I simply remove stairsplus from snow depends?
22:55 Peacock theres snow in default now i think
22:56 us|0gb Change the stairsplus dependancy to moreblocks.
22:56 OldCoder us|0gb, t y is Peacock right?
22:56 * OldCoder checks
22:56 Peacock t y?
22:56 OldCoder thank you
22:56 Peacock oh lol
22:57 us|0gb I think there is snow in default, but the snow module adds more than just snow.
22:57 us|0gb It also adds some trees and moss.
22:57 OldCoder I don't see snow in minetest_game
22:57 OldCoder What is your link for latest snow?
22:57 OldCoder The old one from a year ago?
22:57 us|0gb Snow is in default, not minetest_game.
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22:57 OldCoder Searching
22:57 Peacock https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game​/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L113
22:58 us|0gb And it's only snow, not all the other stuff added by the snow module.
22:58 OldCoder Thanks
22:58 OldCoder What snow module would you use?
22:58 Peacock https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game​/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L1328
22:58 us|0gb It depends on the effect you want.
22:58 us|0gb DO you want moss and pine trees?
22:58 us|0gb *Do
22:59 OldCoder If they are not high CPU sure
23:00 us|0gb Hmm. I don't know if snow:snow is hgh on resource usage do to its generation ...
23:00 us|0gb I don't think default:snow generates at all yet.
23:00 us|0gb *high
23:00 OldCoder
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23:01 Peacock well imo if it's default, i wouldn't bank on the snow mod being maintained eternally
23:01 OldCoder us|0gb, others; what snow module would you recommend? Link
23:01 OldCoder Hmm?
23:01 OldCoder So drop snow?
23:01 us|0gb I've been out of touch with modules for ages.
23:01 us|0gb I don't even know what any do anymore.
23:02 OldCoder Ditto
23:02 us|0gb I mean, I know how they USED to work, but I'm sure much has changed.
23:02 OldCoder But making it work
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23:02 Peacock its 50/50, using default means migrating your current nodes -> default nodes, sticking with snow mod means it probably won't be updated often in the future
23:02 us|0gb It would be fine to remove snow, but you'll have broken nodes.
23:02 OldCoder Hmm
23:02 OldCoder I will keep it
23:02 Peacock i have something for broken nodes
23:02 OldCoder Oh?
23:02 cy1 lol bank on the snow mod
23:03 Peacock http://pastebin.com/yDRjHJwX
23:03 OldCoder R
23:03 OldCoder bank?
23:03 OldCoder Peacock, interesting
23:03 OldCoder How do I use it?
23:04 Peacock convert_node(oldnode,newnode)
23:04 OldCoder Ah
23:04 OldCoder Must be tailored
23:04 Peacock if theres nothing on the convert list the abm isn't registered
23:04 OldCoder But OK; may try later
23:04 us|0gb I've seen that one. You have to keep a list of unknown nodes though. I like mine better, but it leaves them all in place, making them still unknown, but as gag nodes the way mese used to be.
23:04 cy1 I made one of those once...
23:05 Peacock well i use it when i dev mods, lots of stuff gets migrated from one mod to another as they grow in complexity lol
23:05 us|0gb We need a new gag node anyway.
23:05 VanessaE hi
23:05 us|0gb Hello!
23:05 Peacock good morning!
23:06 OldCoder snow breaks because no stairsplus
23:06 OldCoder Can this be fixed?
23:06 Menche wasn't stairsplus merged with moreblocks?
23:06 us|0gb Change all references to stairsplus to references to moreblocks.
23:07 OldCoder Patching
23:07 OldCoder So nobody has made an updated snow mod?
23:07 us|0gb I wouldn't know.
23:08 * OldCoder edits
23:09 us|0gb Menche: I was thinking about your idea today (the one about a game referencing modules from anywhere), and I think I'm going to do that in my game using symbolic links.
23:09 Peacock if it depends on stairsplus, wont the mod be looking for stairsplus:* nodes?
23:09 us|0gb Yeah, it might be.
23:10 Peacock or trying to use stairsplus.* functions come to think of it
23:10 Peacock bbl
23:11 us|0gb The references to the functions were the ones I was talking about changing.
23:13 us|0gb OldCoder: You could maybe add "local stairsplus = moreblocks" to the top of the file.
23:13 OldCoder Thanks
23:13 OldCoder Debugging problems
23:13 OldCoder Will report baack
23:13 OldCoder back *
23:13 us|0gb Okay, good luck!
23:14 john_minetest Hey OldCoder
23:14 john_minetest :)
23:14 us|0gb Ah, that's where I recognized you from. I knew it was somewhere.
23:14 john_minetest us|0gb: Mr Obvious is striking back
23:14 OldCoder Hi!
23:15 us|0gb Yeah, I expected you to point that out in the other channel, but you never did.
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23:15 us|0gb With that name, it's hard to forget.
23:17 paramat Oldcoder, snow mod by Splizard is *the* snow mod
23:17 cy1 animals_modpack/mobf/mobf.lua:807: attempt to index field 'spawning' (a nil value)
23:17 OldCoder Hi
23:18 OldCoder paramat, Link please?
23:18 paramat https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2290
23:19 paramat but snow nodes are now in 0.4.7 stable, but not used in mapgen
23:19 * john_minetest puts a kitten on OldCoder's head and runs away. Cya.
23:19 john_minetest left #minetest
23:19 OldCoder
23:19 OldCoder Hi!
23:20 OldCoder paramat, So should I use the Splizard mod?
23:21 OldCoder 15:18:20: ERROR[main]: /opt/minetest047/share/min​etest/mods/snow/init.lua:
23:21 OldCoder 15:18:20: ERROR[main]: /opt/minetest047/share/minet​est/mods/snow/init.lua:271: a
23:21 paramat if you're trying to support an old world, just use the nes nodes provided in minetest game default
23:21 OldCoder ttempt to index global 'moreblocks' (a nil value)
23:21 OldCoder How should I do that?
23:21 OldCoder What do I do?
23:21 paramat umm not sure perhaps alias?
23:21 Menche isn't that fixed by adding moreblocks to depends.txt?
23:21 * OldCoder is not familiar but thanks
23:21 OldCoder Menche, I did that... odd
23:21 OldCoder Reviewing further
23:22 * OldCoder digs into the files
23:22 OldCoder default
23:22 OldCoder moreblocks
23:22 OldCoder I patched RealBadAngel's snow
23:22 OldCoder That is the depends.txt
23:22 OldCoder And I replaced occurrences of stairsplus with moreblocks...
23:23 OldCoder init.lua:moreblocks.register_sta​ir_and_slab_and_panel_and_micro ...
23:23 OldCoder Like that...
23:23 OldCoder Hmm
23:23 * OldCoder tries again
23:24 paramat snow nodes were added to 0.4.7 stable in order to be used by mapgen v7 when that's done
23:25 OldCoder The question is... what should I do... trying again
23:25 OldCoder attempt to index global 'moreblocks' (a nil value)
23:25 OldCoder Any suggestions before I delete snow?
23:26 OldCoder load_mod_moreblocks = true
23:26 us|0gb I need a good way to compare recipes for equality according to Minetest. So, for example, XX_,XX_,XX_ would be equal to _XX,_XX,_XX. Any ideas? Preferably ideas outside of Lua, such as in Sh or Python, but Lua works too.
23:27 OldCoder Hmm... I am loading moreblocks
23:27 OldCoder us|0gb, I can probably write a Perl script
23:27 OldCoder But not today
23:27 OldCoder So, I have moreblocks, it is loaded, snow has moreblocks in depends, but moreblocks is nil
23:27 OldCoder No comments?
23:27 us|0gb Okay, I'll figure it out. I wasn't asking for a writing, just a concept of how.
23:27 OldCoder Sure
23:27 OldCoder Show me two recipes
23:27 OldCoder us|0gb,
23:27 OldCoder Can paste elsewhere or here if short
23:28 us|0gb Where does moreblocks keep its table?
23:28 us|0gb Maybe I had the table namw wrong is why.
23:28 us|0gb *name
23:29 OldCoder Table?
23:29 OldCoder I am in the code
23:29 us|0gb The table it stores its functions in.
23:29 OldCoder Reviewing
23:30 OldCoder function register_stair_slab_panel_micro(modname, subname, recipeitem, groups,
23:30 OldCoder register_stair(modname, subname, recipeitem, groups, images, descriptio
23:30 OldCoder regis
23:30 OldCoder Function just looks like that...
23:30 OldCoder R further
23:30 OldCoder Looks simply like a function
23:30 OldCoder Name is not in a table
23:30 us|0gb No table then? Okay, remove the "moreblocks." prefix on the function calls then.
23:30 OldCoder k will try t y
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23:32 OldCoder 15:30:04: ERROR[main]: Failed to load and run script from
23:32 OldCoder 15:30:04: ERROR[main]: /opt/minetest047/share/min​etest/mods/snow/init.lua:
23:32 OldCoder 15:30:04: ERROR[main]: /opt/minetest047/share/minet​est/mods/snow/init.lua:271: a
23:32 OldCoder ttempt to call global 'register_stair_and_slab_and_panel_and_micro'
23:32 * OldCoder senses this will not work :-)
23:33 OldCoder I could drop dropping just that register call from snow
23:33 Menche try adding the moreblocks prefix to both the calls and definitions?
23:33 OldCoder Then part of snow might still more
23:33 OldCoder Menche, I will try. But isn't there a standard way to do this? And I am the only one who used RBA snow? But thanks, proceeding.
23:33 * OldCoder patches
23:34 us|0gb We just removed the "moreblocks." prefix, as that wasn't working.
23:34 Menche that prefix was in the calls but not the definitions
23:34 OldCoder Wait, I don't want to patch moreblocks
23:34 us|0gb OH! Sorry, my dyslexia was acting up again.
23:34 OldCoder If there is no standard way to do this, I should probably give up snow
23:35 OldCoder But is there no standard way to fix the snow mod?
23:35 Peacock well you could keep the functionality of the snow but just change it to use the default nodes
23:35 OldCoder How so?
23:35 OldCoder Would the old nodes break?
23:36 Peacock not sure of they all use the same types of nodes though
23:36 * OldCoder gives up
23:36 OldCoder Sayanora Snow
23:36 OldCoder There is no standard way? Odd. It seems simple.
23:36 Menche or just copy the old stairsplus functions over so they're part of snow
23:36 OldCoder Just replacing one mod with another
23:36 OldCoder Menche, may try that later thanks
23:37 * OldCoder sighs
23:37 OldCoder Lots of new broken mods
23:38 OldCoder Worlds are down until worked out
23:38 OldCoder Thanks for assistance, folks. I will report back.
23:38 OldCoder
23:39 OldCoder Heh
23:39 OldCoder [FOOD DEBUG] Ingredient sugar has no built in equiv
23:39 OldCoder [FOOD DEBUG] Ingredient cup has no built in equiv
23:39 OldCoder This is likely to take a while
23:39 cy1 OldCoder: That function is in the stairsplus mod I think... isn't it a dependency for "snow"?
23:39 OldCoder cy1, There is no longer a stairsplus mod
23:39 OldCoder I have been told to use moreblocks instead
23:39 OldCoder Using stairsplus breaks things too
23:39 OldCoder Heh double
23:41 cy1 The standard way to fix a mod whose code is old enough that it depends on a mod that no longer exists, is to edit the code in a text editor or IDE repeatedly until it works again.
23:41 cy1 `-`
23:42 Peacock well i think w/ prollers' weather stuff there hasn't been much impetus to maintain snow mod, or rain and snow mod (jeija)
23:42 Peacock *and
23:43 OldCoder Yep
23:43 OldCoder But now worlds are broken and will need to be fixed
23:43 OldCoder Oh well again
23:45 Peacock thats bound to happen when mods and engine are updated - what we need is better migration tools to that end
23:46 us|0gb There's always aliasing, but that is kind of manual. I don't know how we could build a better tool than that, though one is definitely needed.
23:48 OldCoder I am fixing all of it now
23:49 us|0gb Building my jumbo game is going to be a nightmare, if I ever go back to that idea.
23:49 us|0gb Unless I don't use other people's code.
23:50 us|0gb If they want their modules included, they can join the project, but there's little chance they'll want to do thet.
23:50 us|0gb *that
23:55 OldCoder
23:55 OldCoder OK I have got my worlds to load again
23:55 us|0gb Where is the site for the in-game module downloads?
23:55 OldCoder I will set up Octuteam now if some of you wish to try it
23:55 us|0gb Never mind, I think I found it.
23:55 us|0gb I'll try it.
23:56 us|0gb Nope, didn't find it.
23:58 VanessaE us|0gb: https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/
23:58 us|0gb VanessaE: Awesome. Thanks!
23:59 us|0gb VanessaE: DO you log in with your forum credentials? It won't let me do that, and I can't find a link to create an account.

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