Time Nick Message 00:01 paramat i seem to remember that drowning can now be enabled in any defined node, but perhaps it cant be in the "air" node due to that being hardcoded ... :| 00:02 VanessaE kaeza: I patched over the sticky spot to just make it 'return' if 'text' comes up niol. 00:02 VanessaE nil* 00:03 kaeza ok, that should work 00:03 kaeza don't know why MT does not let me write accented chars anywhere ._. 00:03 STHGOM I'M FAMOUS!!! 00:05 VanessaE you are? 00:05 VanessaE (who are you again?) 00:05 VanessaE ;) 00:06 VanessaE kaeza: I bet it's from writing *only* accented/non-supported chars 00:06 VanessaE there's another bug I didn't bother to fix, which I discovered earlier today. delete all of the fonts and the mod can't initialize :) 00:07 kaeza well, duh 00:07 VanessaE (I figured no one would do that) 00:07 kaeza :P 00:07 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2011052013%20-%2002:11:09%20PM.png 00:07 kaeza just yell "USER ERROR" in that case :P 00:07 VanessaE ^^^^^ from a performance test I was doing. 00:07 VanessaE fisher-price land :D 00:08 kaeza lol 00:08 VanessaE (I was testing the engine's mesh rendering without any textures - just the models) 00:09 STHGOM I'm on the IRC stats by sfan5! : http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html 00:09 STHGOM ndjdjksisksk wrote the shortest lines, averaging 18.9 characters per line. 00:09 STHGOM STHGOM was tight-lipped, too, averaging 19.1 characters. 00:09 VanessaE STHGOM: yay \o/ : ) 00:09 STHGOM :D 00:09 VanessaE I'm still the blabbermouth (-fingers?) of the channel :D 00:10 kaeza hah! 00:10 kaeza "Poor PilzAdam, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 15 times." 00:11 kaeza :D 00:11 VanessaE haha 00:14 STHGOM Jordach is aggressive 00:14 STHGOM :D 00:15 STHGOM JamesTait brings happiness to the world. 42.8% lines contained smiling faces. :) 00:15 STHGOM D: 00:16 STHGOM what about these faces: :D 00:18 paramat i love the look of fisher-price land 8} im always amazed how good ultra simple textures look 00:19 STHGOM :D 00:19 STHGOM and there compatible almost anywhere! 00:21 paramat however my understanding is that there isnt much performance increase between plain 1x1 and lets say a detailed 16x16, because both have tiny image files 00:21 VanessaE paramat: those weren't "ultra-simple" textures - those were *no* textures at all :D 00:21 paramat V, even better heh 00:22 VanessaE basically, find /home/minetest/.minetest -type f -name *.png -exec rm \{\} \; 00:22 VanessaE (and then fill in homedecor's sign font to avoid the previously-mentioned crash) 00:22 paramat i dont notice any performance increase between my minimal textures and default 00:23 paramat okay thanks 00:23 VanessaE (and search/remove textures from /usr/share/minetest also) 00:24 VanessaE kahrl: if you pushed http_fetch now, would it break anything? 00:24 VanessaE s/pushed/were to push/ 00:30 VanessaE d'oh, wrong channel. That was meant for -dev 00:30 STHGOM :D 00:30 * VanessaE shrugs and adds a few more random lines and words to sfan5's statistics page :D 00:31 JamesTait :-P 00:43 VanessaE sfan5: *poke* 00:45 stormchaser3000 lol 00:46 Coltenellis Hey 00:46 OldCoder Yeh 00:46 OldCoder Reactor will be awake soon. Is anybody able to comment on the serialize mobf issue? 00:47 VanessaE no clue, OldCoder 00:47 kaeza "Most referenced nicks" --> "i" 00:47 OldCoder VanessaE, thanks 00:48 kaeza hi Coltenellis 00:48 OldCoder kaeza, do you have any thoughts on the error 00:48 kaeza nope :/ 00:48 OldCoder k ty ok 00:49 us`0gb I don't know what I was thinking .... Building a 32767 node game was a bad idea on my part. 00:49 us`0gb I'm going back to my minimalistic approach, but making it less minimalistic. 00:49 VanessaE why? 00:50 stormchaser3000 lol us'0gb 00:50 us`0gb For one, I'm not an artist. 00:50 us`0gb I can't draw all that. 00:50 VanessaE us`0gb: protip: there are lots of open-source-friendly artists on commons.wikimedia.org and clker.com :-) 00:50 dafull97 Coltenellis, sup 00:50 us`0gb Second, I'm not you. You're the one with the huge fun game. I'm the guy that makes the minimalistic game very closely tied to the default game. 00:51 kaeza us`0gb, make that 40000 nodes, and somebody will come up with 15bit color wool :P 00:51 kaeza (the extra ones are for misc nodes :P) 00:51 Coltenellis dafull97, nothing much you? 00:51 VanessaE us`0gb: speaking of minimalistic, http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2011052013%20-%2002:11:09%20PM.png 00:51 us`0gb VanessaE: The plan was to make that many nodes myself. If I get help (for example, with the textures), it's not the insane game I was trying to build. 00:52 dafull97 check tabs at top you should see one from me, Coltenellis 00:52 Coltenellis I do, and I'll switch. 00:52 us`0gb Yeah .... Minimalistic game, not texture-less game. 00:53 dafull97 Coltenellis, good 00:54 us`0gb Anyway, I'm going to try to do my work in using only three new nodes. Plus, all regular items will be changed into nodes, for several reasons, and behavior of the game will be tweaked making most things that are consumed renewable. 00:54 us`0gb Sort of a middle ground. 00:55 us`0gb I don't know what to do about default:nyancat and its rainbow. Those are furnace fuel, so should be renewable, but making them renewable makes them too plentiful. 00:56 EvergreenTree Sup people 00:56 us`0gb Hello EvergreenTree! 00:56 kaeza sky 00:56 us`0gb Death rate. 00:57 VanessaE hi Evergreen 00:59 us`0gb Working with fire should be interesting as well. A bug in the game prevents me from dampening it directly. 01:04 EvergreenTree Hey VanessaE what linux distro do you use? 01:04 VanessaE Xubuntu 13.10 01:05 stormchaser3000 nice xubuntu 01:05 us`0gb Xubuntu is fun. It's my favorite of the *buntus. 01:05 stormchaser3000 lol 01:05 stormchaser3000 i use ubuntu lucid 01:05 stormchaser3000 10.04 01:06 kaeza O_o 01:06 stormchaser3000 ikr 01:06 us`0gb I keep a copy of Xubuntu in a virtual machine for my courses. 01:06 EvergreenTree Xubuntu is awesome 01:07 VanessaE stormchaser3000: you need to upgrade soon. 01:07 EvergreenTree I am using ubuntu +xfce atm (12.04 LTS) 01:08 us`0gb 10.04 is LTS, right? So it should be fine until 2015. 01:12 stormchaser3000 i nnow 01:12 stormchaser3000 but i can't i can only download stuff with 14.7 kb a sec internet 01:12 stormchaser3000 and tha is the down speed 01:14 VanessaE stormchaser3000: had you just upgraded when you were advised tom you'd be done by now :P 01:14 VanessaE to,* 01:16 stormchaser3000 no 01:16 stormchaser3000 i almost had it done 01:16 stormchaser3000 but my internet slowed down just before it aws downloaded 01:16 stormchaser3000 :( 01:16 stormchaser3000 so i stoped it 01:16 * stormchaser3000 is waiting til the end of the month 01:17 stormchaser3000 when my internet is faster 01:23 OldCoder Would anybody like to try to connect to a new and large world? 01:24 OldCoder You will need the latest clients (less than 2 days old) 01:24 OldCoder I can provide one for Windows 01:28 us`0gb Do you have an address? 01:29 us`0gb I think my client is from yesterday, but I forget. 01:29 us`0gb Yes, definitely yesterday, because I upgraded to play with string seeds. 01:29 us`0gb It's such a simple feature, but I love it. 01:30 OldCoder us`0gb, Shall I give you a preloaded cache? 01:31 OldCoder It will greatly speed up the load 01:31 us`0gb Okay, sounds great. Thanks! 01:31 OldCoder Allow 15 minutes for me to finish loading it myself and I will post the cache 01:31 OldCoder You are welcome to connect now 01:31 us`0gb Okay, no rush. 01:31 OldCoder But it will be quite slow 01:31 us`0gb WHat is the address though? 01:32 OldCoder Server is minetest.org 01:32 OldCoder There are two worlds this week; I will start the 2nd in a minute 01:32 OldCoder 1st world is new. Very large. At port: 30017 The name is Pripyat 01:32 OldCoder 2nd world is Zeg9 Zegaton. At port: 30015 01:32 OldCoder I will start both now 01:32 us`0gb Okay, cool. WHich am I connecting to? 01:33 us`0gb (I'll still wait for the cache though.) 01:33 OldCoder Both are up 01:33 OldCoder Try the new world 30017 as reactor will want feedback 01:33 us`0gb (I have some patch work to do for a bit anyway.) 01:33 OldCoder He is in Russia and should wake up soon 01:44 OldCoder us`0gb, done and preparing cache zip. I don't see the world. Let me give you fly and so on once you are in. 01:44 us`0gb OldCoder: Okay, cool. Standing by. 01:45 OldCoder ETA 2 minutes 01:46 * us`0gb needs to find a way to automate his minimal/minetest_game updates 01:46 NakedFury the files we download when we join a server, are they saved in our system for faster access to server later? 01:46 us`0gb NakedFury: Correct. 01:47 us`0gb I don't know if that's why they are stred, but it has that effect. 01:47 us`0gb *stored 01:48 OldCoder NakedFury, and they can be ZIPped and shared 01:48 OldCoder us`0gb, upload aborted. Retrying. Worth another shot. If it continues I will upload later from home. 01:48 OldCoder I am at work and the network is substandard 01:49 us`0gb Minetesting from work? Ha ha. 01:49 OldCoder It is nearly 6:00pm here 01:50 OldCoder And I work 7 days a week 01:50 OldCoder Often 16 hours 01:50 us`0gb My condolences. That must be tiring. 01:50 EvergreenTree OldCoder, it's 8:00pm here 01:50 EvergreenTree That's a lot of work 01:51 OldCoder EvergreenTree, Eh. It is an odd period. 01:51 OldCoder Usually much less. More like 10 to 13 hours. 01:51 OldCoder And last weekend was largely Minetest 01:52 OldCoder Upload might make it this time 01:53 us`0gb NICE! I just tested to see what Minetest would do in case there were multiple modules with the same name. Minetest properly reports the name conflict and aborts! 01:53 OldCoder Good 01:55 us`0gb I thought it would just choose one (possibly dependent on order of discovery), and feared it would run both init.luas, but bind one directory as the canonical one for get_mod_path(). 01:56 OldCoder us`0gb, The world is there. What is the correct format for the /time command? 01:56 OldCoder 71% uploaded for cache 01:57 us`0gb "/time 6000" is about mid-day. I don't know what format the number is in though. 01:57 OldCoder Hmm 01:57 OldCoder I forget how to fly. I need to find the world again so I can give you the coords. 01:58 NakedFury I think its k or j to fly 01:58 us`0gb Oops, I'm out of time. I'll pick up the cache and try connecting when I get out of my seminar in about an hour. 01:58 OldCoder us`0gb, I will provide the link to others here 01:58 us`0gb "k" is fly, "j' is fast. 01:58 OldCoder Got it c u 01:59 us`0gb (I can stay on and chat, but I can't run the seminar on my system AND Minetest at the same time.) 01:59 OldCoder Yes of course 02:02 OldCoder NakedFury, wish to try this? 02:03 NakedFury ok 02:15 OldCoder NakedFury, the ZIP link is: 02:15 * us`0gb franticly clicks the blank space trying to download 02:15 OldCoder http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-cache-131105.zip 02:15 OldCoder The cache folder there replaces your current cache folder 02:16 us`0gb Oh, that's easier. 02:16 OldCoder Find the current cache folder and rename it 02:16 OldCoder Then unpack this one there 02:16 OldCoder I will grant both of you all privs 02:16 OldCoder Find the world for me... it is there but I lost it 02:16 kaeza lol us`0gb 02:16 OldCoder There is some type of break in mobf but the world seems to run 02:22 OldCoder Well, I found *part* of the world 02:25 NakedFury what server 02:26 NakedFury and what do you mean by find the world? 02:26 NakedFury that is something I havent understood in this entire conversation 02:26 OldCoder NakedFury, It is fine 02:27 OldCoder After replace cache you can connect to two worlds tonight 02:27 OldCoder server is minetest.org for both 02:27 us`0gb minetest.org:30017 02:27 OldCoder port 30015 is Zeg9 Zegaton world 02:27 OldCoder Well established 02:27 OldCoder port 30017 is a huge new world. I have been shown the map. But did it convert? I only see a small part of it. 02:27 OldCoder reactor needs to look at it and tell us if the world is actually there. 02:28 OldCoder I can't find it :-) 02:28 OldCoder NakedFury, what are the fly and teleport permission grant commands? 02:28 OldCoder 63, 100, -16 02:28 OldCoder will put you above the part I found 02:28 OldCoder Ah I C U 02:28 OldCoder NakedFury, what are the fly and teleport permission grant commands? 02:28 NakedFury im not sure the commands for those. I always do grant all 02:29 NakedFury I think fly is simply gly 02:29 NakedFury fly 02:29 OldCoder What is grant all 02:29 NakedFury ./grant name Fly 02:29 us`0gb /grant NakedFury fly,teleport 02:29 OldCoder Have fun 02:29 us`0gb It needs to be lower case. 02:29 OldCoder It worked. See if the world is there. If not, try Zegaton at port 30015 02:29 NakedFury all= gives the players ALL priviledges. basicly make the guy able to do all 02:30 OldCoder Both worlds are experimental and using latest stuff 02:30 OldCoder NakedFury, you have that for now here 02:31 OldCoder Odd 02:31 OldCoder I see more of the world now 02:31 OldCoder This is about some type of view range parameter 02:31 OldCoder Is there a setting I should change? 02:32 OldCoder The whole world is there 02:32 OldCoder It is simply invisible until you are up close 02:32 OldCoder 02:32 OldCoder Hmm. NakedFury us`0gb VanessaE thexyz is that normal now? Or do I need to change a setting? 02:32 us`0gb Hit shift +. 02:33 us`0gb THat's a litteral plus, not a plus period. 02:33 us`0gb If the view range is set to five nodes, it messes up and goes to zero nodes. 02:33 NakedFury actually just hitting + or - changes view range 02:34 us`0gb For me, plus requires shift, minus requires a lack of shift. 02:35 OldCoder us`0gb, what should minetest.conf setting be? 02:36 us`0gb I don't know. I'll look it up. 02:37 us`0gb OldCoder: I think it's "viewing_range_nodes_min". 02:37 OldCoder What would you recommend 02:37 OldCoder NakedFury, what do you think of the world? 02:37 OldCoder There is a nice building near me 02:37 NakedFury exploring it 02:37 OldCoder 234, 57, 144 02:37 us`0gb It depends on your machine. THe default, 35, is usually fine. 02:37 NakedFury I like how the roads look old abandoned 02:37 OldCoder us`0gb, Maybe it was too low for some reason 02:38 us`0gb If you are not seeing nodes at that setting, that setting isn't the issue. 02:38 us`0gb To see nodes, you just need to have it higher than 5. 02:39 us`0gb Or maybe higher than 15. 15 works, 5 doesn't. I don;t know where the threshold is exactly. 02:40 EvergreenTree Gotta go 02:40 EvergreenTree See you guys 02:44 NakedFury found a race track 03:01 OldCoder Back 03:01 OldCoder NakedFury, us`0gb the world seems to work 03:01 OldCoder It is supposedly a huge MC World 03:01 OldCoder I need to go soon 03:01 OldCoder Tell reactor where it is 03:01 OldCoder THe only bug so far is that modf (I think) has a startup error about serialize.lua and sdata being nil 03:01 OldCoder So I don't know if there are animals 03:02 OldCoder iqualfragile, Hi! There is a large new world 03:02 us`0gb Okay, I'll tell reactor when I next see him/her. 03:02 us`0gb SOme of the textures are missing. 03:02 OldCoder Information for everybody follows shortly 03:02 OldCoder us`0gb, Tell him that 03:02 us`0gb Okay. 03:02 OldCoder I added his textures in worldmods 03:02 OldCoder 03:04 OldCoder # CACHE! Use this for Windows or Linux! 03:04 OldCoder http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-cache-131105.zip 03:04 OldCoder # Use that and my worlds will go zoom! 03:04 OldCoder 03:04 OldCoder # Windows Client - Replace the cache with the above 03:04 OldCoder http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131102.zip 03:04 OldCoder # Should work with both 32 and 64 bits 03:04 OldCoder 03:04 us`0gb Is that for all your worlds, OldCoder? 03:04 OldCoder Server: minetest.org 03:04 OldCoder Ports: 30015 for Zegaton and 30017 for Pripyat 03:05 OldCoder It is all temporary but I will release updated cache and clients 03:05 OldCoder One cache 03:05 OldCoder Should work for all of my worlds 03:05 OldCoder When we are done 03:05 OldCoder 03:05 * OldCoder hereby announces the beta release of Pripyat World! Have fun! 03:05 OldCoder Do not build too much, these worlds are temporary 03:05 us`0gb Okay, cool. I should pick up VanessaE's cache at some point as well. Does ShadowNinja have a cache? 03:06 OldCoder us`0gb, You can make your own caches 03:06 VanessaE my cache needs updated 03:06 OldCoder us`0gb, Just connect to a world and collect the files out of the resulting cache/media folder 03:06 OldCoder I believe you can probably merge the resulting folders 03:06 OldCoder 03:06 us`0gb Yeah, I just merged yours with mine, I didn't replace. 03:07 us`0gb I should have replaced though. I need to throw out my cache anyway. 03:13 OldCoder One step at a time 03:13 OldCoder us`0gb, we will figure out the missing images 03:13 OldCoder Tell reactor I will contact him later about world edits 03:13 us`0gb Okay, cool. 03:13 OldCoder 03:13 us`0gb Will do. 03:16 OldCoder I will return later. The two upgraded worlds will stay up overnight. May reboot them for fixes tomorrow. Other worlds will be added. 03:16 OldCoder 20 worlds will live again! 03:16 * OldCoder salutes and exits 03:40 VanessaE sfan5: around? 03:58 iqualfragile VanessaE: unlikely, its 4:48 in the morning around here 03:58 VanessaE no worries, left him a message. 06:30 sfan5 VanessaE: *poke* 06:35 sfan5 :-/ 07:10 * us`0gb sighs 07:10 us`0gb It seems bones can be used to kill other peoples' locked chests again ... 07:11 us`0gb Oops, missed a line. Scratch that. 07:12 us`0gb It can still be used to make half doors though, and half doors are quite buggy. 07:21 kaeza hey john_minetest 07:34 us`0gb Is it possible to redefine functions that are attached to "userdata" objects? I seem to be able to call inv:get_size(), but if I attempt to defile it the normal way, I get an error. Is there some sort of other way to do it? 07:38 kaeza us`0gb, nope 07:38 kaeza at least not from Lua 07:38 us`0gb Okay. Thanks! 07:39 kaeza (the long answer is that userdata does not actually "contain" the functions, but rather are obtained through their __index metamethod) 07:39 us`0gb Ah, I see. 07:40 us`0gb Okay ... That might be usable .... 07:41 kaeza well, theoretically you could just modify the userdata metatable, but I have not tried that 07:41 us`0gb Do you know where that table is? 07:42 kaeza getmetatable(val) 07:42 us`0gb Great. Thank you! 07:42 kaeza np :) 09:41 adama_ hello all 09:41 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Stress Awareness Day! :-D 09:41 adama_ lol 09:45 adama_ wondering if any one know how to disable fire on a server or what the command is 09:49 adama_ ok i figured it out thans all 10:11 kaeza that was quick 10:41 reactor Ehlo. 10:53 reactor ПРОМЕЖBULIT 10:55 reactor OldCoder: how's the progress? 11:47 OldCoder reactor, hello 11:48 OldCoder reactor, I assume people were asleep by the time you arrived 11:48 OldCoder The world is running and seems to work 11:49 OldCoder There are some textures related to Technic, Animals, and Food missing. And the "mobf" mod, which is apparently needed for Animals, is throwing an error. But the world is there and is said to be interesting. 11:52 OldCoder 11:52 OldCoder Is anybody else able to talk a little about missing Technic, Animals, and Food textures or about a "serialize.lua" error related to "mobf" ? 11:52 OldCoder 11:54 reactor OldCoder: why would we need these there? 11:55 OldCoder We may not and they can be removed 11:55 reactor Also, what mods would you recommend if I want to make some interiors more detailed? 11:55 OldCoder I will talk further in 5 to 10 minutes 11:55 OldCoder I will show you a current mods list 11:55 reactor Well, mobs would be good. 11:55 OldCoder And I will explain what has been done. We can also proceed with the "scheme" that you were working on 11:55 reactor mk 11:55 reactor I've split that scheme in about ten pieces. 11:55 OldCoder For "mobs" I will need somebody who can explain a "serialize.lua" error message 11:56 reactor mk 11:56 OldCoder I will confirm the world is still running and we will begin 11:56 OldCoder See you in 5 to 10 minutes; possibly 15 11:59 reactor mk 12:01 kaeza reactor, homedecor :3 12:01 kaeza re: better interiors 12:02 kaeza and Living Room Furniture (lrfurn) 12:09 OldCoder Back 12:09 OldCoder reactor, here? 12:13 reactor Yes. 12:14 reactor I think I will process the underground schemes on my own, then give you the new map. 12:14 reactor Because I've already made some more changes. 12:17 OldCoder reactor, that is fine 12:17 OldCoder Shall we talk for a few minutes now? I will explain some things 12:19 reactor Yes. 12:21 reactor OldCoder: yes. 12:22 OldCoder I am nearly done with notes for you 12:22 OldCoder Wait briefly 12:23 OldCoder 12:24 OldCoder reactor, remarks follow. I will say done when done. 12:24 OldCoder 12:24 OldCoder Temporary link for Pripyat mod list: http://minetest.org/pripyatmt.txt 12:24 OldCoder 12:24 OldCoder Easy to add or remove mods 12:24 OldCoder 12:24 OldCoder Textures you provided are included 12:24 OldCoder 12:24 OldCoder Temporary zipped cache folder: minetest-cache-131105.zip 12:24 OldCoder The cache folder is needed to enter the world without a half hour delay 12:24 OldCoder The final cache may be smaller 12:24 OldCoder 12:24 OldCoder Oops 12:25 reactor o_0 12:25 OldCoder That was considered a flood? Irritating but probably necessary 12:25 OldCoder reactor, You were not here last year 12:25 OldCoder Some degree of strictness is advisable 12:25 OldCoder To proceed... 12:25 OldCoder 12:25 OldCoder Temporary zipped cache folder: http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-cache-131105.zip 12:26 OldCoder The cache folder is needed to enter the world without a half hour delay. The final cache may be smaller. 12:26 OldCoder 12:26 OldCoder Windows MT client (cache folder must be replaced): http://minetest.org/clients/minetest-131102.zip 12:26 OldCoder 12:26 OldCoder Client is believed to work with both Win 32 and Win 64 bits 12:26 OldCoder 12:26 OldCoder Server: minetest.org 12:26 OldCoder Current port: 30017 12:26 OldCoder World will run 24 hours a day but will reboot periodically for mod experiments 12:26 OldCoder 12:26 OldCoder There is an error in serialize.lua that says sdata is nil. I need somebody to comment on that or there may be no animals. There are also about 5 missing textures in Technic, Food, and Animals. Whether or not we use those mods, I'd like to ask you to find somebody who can comment. 12:27 OldCoder 12:27 OldCoder You can have FTP access later to upload or download "schemes" directly. 12:27 OldCoder 12:27 OldCoder The world has been converted from SQLite3 to LevelDB format. However, you may have SQLite3 versions exported for your use if you wish. 12:27 OldCoder 12:27 OldCoder Done. Is all of this satisfactory? 12:27 * OldCoder is At Your Service! :P 12:27 OldCoder 12:28 reactor Ty 12:28 reactor Uh. I'm confused. 12:28 * OldCoder assumes that these humble efforts are acceptable 12:28 OldCoder Questions? 12:29 reactor Idk 12:29 reactor Leveldb... hmm. 12:29 reactor What are the advantages? 12:30 reactor And is there a way to use it here, too? 12:30 OldCoder As follows: 12:31 OldCoder Advantages: 1. Much faster and more reliable. 2. No 4GB limit. Make a nice big world! 3. Can be converted back and forth to SQLite3. But only up to 4GB. 12:31 OldCoder Any Linux MT server can use LevelDB. Windows support is not ready. 12:31 OldCoder Done 12:32 reactor Hmm. 12:32 ruskie why is there a 4gb limit? 12:32 reactor Are there special optins I need to compile it with? 12:32 OldCoder Note: There are no requirements for LevelDB on the client side. 12:32 OldCoder There is no 4GB limit for LevelDB 12:32 ruskie I mean sqlite itself doesn't have those limits 12:32 reactor And, can singleplayer handle it? 12:32 ruskie so I'm wondering why there are 12:32 OldCoder But SQLite3 DOES have that limit 12:32 ruskie OldCoder, it doesn't 12:32 ruskie according to the sqlite pages 12:32 OldCoder In a MT context it does 12:32 ruskie ok 12:32 ruskie so implementation detail then 12:32 OldCoder This issue has broken several worlds 12:33 OldCoder Yes, apparently 12:33 OldCoder reactor, if you have a Linux box, you can have LevelDB 12:33 OldCoder It is now part of upstream 12:33 reactor Good. 12:33 OldCoder I have been polite for 1.5 years as people work hard on MT 12:33 ruskie but yeah I guess key value store would be better in such case 12:33 OldCoder But I told them if they didn't merge LevelDB I'd fork 12:34 * OldCoder is quite happy with MT now except for the slow network speed 12:34 OldCoder reactor, I will give you my LevelDB MT build script now if you wish it 12:34 OldCoder Shall I? 12:34 * ruskie more or less stopped playing all block based online games for a while... got tired of them 12:35 OldCoder ruskie, does that include MT? We must reignite the interest 12:35 ruskie that includes MT and MC ;) 12:35 ruskie and no I just get bored of sandbox games 12:35 OldCoder Well glad you are here. What exactly is a sandbox game? 12:35 ruskie MT is one example ;) 12:35 ruskie of a sandbox game 12:35 OldCoder I know 12:35 OldCoder But what is the definition? 12:36 ruskie you get a world defined by some limitations and are let lose in it 12:36 OldCoder That is a very broad category!! 12:36 reactor OldCoder: yep 12:36 ruskie yup 12:36 reactor OldCoder: I still haven't fixed uploads on my FTP, though. 12:36 OldCoder reactor, I can link the script here. Wait. 12:36 reactor mk 12:37 ruskie having tools to modify the world generally is also a bit more narrower 12:38 OldCoder http://minetest.org/build-mtserver.txt 12:38 OldCoder reactor, there are some details specific to me but this will give you the idea 12:38 OldCoder You will need to install curl and leveldb for your distro 12:39 OldCoder Also change -j 4 to -j 2 if you have a single core machine 12:39 OldCoder And the tarball name may vary 12:39 OldCoder But that is what I am presently using 12:39 OldCoder In world.mt 12:39 OldCoder You would change the backend from sqlite3 to leveldb 12:39 OldCoder For a new world 12:39 OldCoder To convert an existing world, there is another script 12:40 OldCoder But I need to nap before going to work soon; ask me for the convert script another time 12:40 OldCoder 12:40 OldCoder Reactor have you received sufficient assistance for the moment? Is your money ($0.00) well spent :P ? 12:40 OldCoder 12:40 reactor a sec 12:40 OldCoder We trust you are pleased and invite you to visit your new world 12:40 reactor Too many interrupts. 12:40 OldCoder You will be opped the next time I am there 12:40 OldCoder Interrupts? 12:41 reactor Hang on, I'm handling telephone. 12:44 reactor Back. 12:45 reactor OldCoder: thank you, it is :) 12:48 OldCoder All right! 12:48 OldCoder We will talk further 12:48 OldCoder I may need to nap soon 12:48 OldCoder reactor, try to find people who can comment on the missing textures and on the serialize.lua error 12:48 OldCoder No rush 12:48 reactor I have no idea. 12:48 reactor They might... be here? 12:55 dafull97 Hey Guys! 12:56 reactor eH yuGsy ! 12:56 dafull97 what reactor? 12:56 dafull97 lol 12:58 reactor Endinanness. 12:58 dafull97 Lol, so what you guys doing? 12:59 reactor s/at/at are/ 12:59 reactor Correcting people's spelling and grammar. 13:00 dafull97 =/, "Hey Guys!" is correct... =P 13:01 kaeza speling* grammer* 13:01 reactor gramer 13:01 dafull97 I'm Confused =/ 13:04 thexyz oh wow 13:05 thexyz sorry can't stop laughing 13:05 thexyz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHTUlF7NA2o 13:05 EvergreenTree !title 13:05 MinetestBot EvergreenTree: Internet Explorer: The Anime -- feat Inori Aizawa - YouTube 13:09 OldCoder dafull97, Good morning 13:10 OldCoder reactor, so far nobody seems to know what to do about the error 13:10 dafull97 Hey OldCoder, how are you? 13:10 reactor OldCoder: ...yes. 13:10 OldCoder dafull97, A bit tired. It is 5:10am here 13:10 reactor OldCoder: what are we gonna do? 13:10 OldCoder reactor, we shall put up the world and have fun with it 13:10 dafull97 OldCoder, oh it is 8:10 here 13:11 OldCoder All right 13:11 OldCoder reactor, work on your edits; we will speak further 13:13 reactor ? 13:14 reactor mk 13:14 reactor I'm loading the underground level 13:17 reactor OldCoder: I've joined the server, now I'm falling 13:18 OldCoder falling? 13:18 OldCoder Hang on. I shall come and op you. 13:18 OldCoder We need to set spawn. 13:18 OldCoder Oh 13:18 OldCoder reactor, you will need to wait 10 minutes 13:19 OldCoder I can't run MT while VirtualBox is open 13:19 OldCoder Heh 13:19 OldCoder Hang on... as you fall :P 13:19 reactor mk 13:19 reactor The spawn... Uh, let it be the bus. 13:19 reactor In fact, the coach is the only thing that is not abandoned. 13:24 OldCoder reactor, coords? 13:24 OldCoder I will shut down the world briefly and make two quick changes 13:24 OldCoder Set coords and view range 13:25 reactor hmm 13:25 reactor a sec 13:26 OldCoder Does anybody have a thought on what active_block_range should be? 13:26 OldCoder I am going to set: viewing_range_nodes_min = 15 13:27 OldCoder I could adjust active_block_range too 13:27 reactor What does it affect? 13:29 OldCoder If I knew, I would have the answer :-) 13:29 OldCoder So where do you wish spawn? 13:29 OldCoder So that people do not fall into space 13:30 reactor -105, 2, -171 13:31 OldCoder Hang on 13:31 OldCoder reactor, any other changes before restart? 13:31 OldCoder BTW Obsidian 13:31 OldCoder is in _game now 13:31 OldCoder firearms are added as you requested 13:31 reactor mk 13:32 OldCoder And I have been advised NOT to use Nether until it is fixed 13:32 reactor Do any mods exist that add grenades? 13:32 reactor I will not use nether. 13:32 reactor I only need nether blocks. 13:32 reactor Because the map ported depends on them. 13:32 OldCoder Ah 13:32 OldCoder Tell me how to do that 13:32 OldCoder I don't know about grenades 13:32 OldCoder PM me later as I must rest 13:32 reactor I used minecraft nether blocks due to shortage of blocks. 13:32 OldCoder Restarting world now 13:32 OldCoder OK 13:33 OldCoder reactor, world is restarted. Check spawn. Tell me later how to add nether blocks. And I will upload the next version of map when ready. 13:33 OldCoder Time to rest. I will check for messages in 10 minutes and then nap. 13:34 OldCoder If you are in the world at that time I will op you. 13:34 reactor Good night, if I don't say anything. 13:34 OldCoder Well, join so I can op 13:34 OldCoder Also check spawn 13:34 reactor I'm there. 13:34 OldCoder om then 13:34 OldCoder That was fast! 13:34 reactor ? 13:35 OldCoder You got in quickly 13:35 OldCoder Sure you do not need to restart? 13:35 OldCoder I restarted the world 13:35 OldCoder I am entering now myself 13:35 reactor ?! 13:36 * OldCoder is confused by all the ? 13:36 OldCoder I'd like to get animals working 13:36 OldCoder If you meet somebody who can comment on the serialize error send them to me 13:36 reactor the game hung 13:37 OldCoder I think 13:37 OldCoder You were in a defunct copy 13:37 OldCoder Did you restart when I did? 13:37 reactor No 13:37 reactor that's why 13:37 OldCoder Yep 13:37 OldCoder I am there 13:37 OldCoder Join, please 13:37 reactor mk 13:37 reactor joining 13:38 reactor hmm 13:38 reactor Stuck on media, despite having unpacked the cache. 13:38 OldCoder You used the ZIP file I provided? 13:39 OldCoder And it is unpacked so that cache folder lines up? 13:39 OldCoder Should take less than 4 minutes to enter 13:39 OldCoder I will take a short break and check back 13:39 OldCoder I like all the flowers 13:39 OldCoder Nice buildings too 13:39 reactor mk 13:40 reactor I'm finally there. 13:40 reactor But in the void. 13:40 OldCoder Because 13:40 OldCoder I changed spawn after you started 13:40 OldCoder Hang on 13:40 reactor yep 13:40 OldCoder What nick are you using? 13:40 reactor mike 13:41 OldCoder Teleport to spawn 13:41 OldCoder You have op 13:41 OldCoder c u later 13:41 OldCoder We will add IRC mod later 13:41 OldCoder Remember my requests... I need people to comment on missing Technic Animals Food textures and on a serialize.lua problem 13:41 OldCoder 13:41 reactor Later. And thank you, again. 13:42 OldCoder Oh, Reactor... 13:42 OldCoder Here is part of the price for your world: 13:42 reactor I don't know how I can resolve that. 13:42 OldCoder use Places to record interesting places 13:42 reactor Oh. 13:42 reactor Hmm. 13:42 reactor I will. 13:42 OldCoder I wish coords, screenshots, and brief remarks 13:42 reactor That one I can do. 13:42 OldCoder About what you and others build here 13:42 OldCoder Do you follow? Let us get a nice little tour of the world 13:42 * OldCoder is on a break 13:42 reactor I do. 13:43 reactor I think first I'll make coords and descripting. 13:43 reactor s/ing/ions/ 13:43 reactor I'm not very good at making screenshots. 13:43 OldCoder Others can do that 13:43 OldCoder Just make a text file of coords *and* remarks 13:43 reactor This is strange. 13:44 OldCoder Places mod may help 13:44 OldCoder Bug? 13:44 reactor Vertical slabs don't work. 13:44 OldCoder Well, make a list of problems 13:44 reactor I mean, slabs ar not displayed correctly. 13:44 OldCoder We will review debug.txt etc. 13:44 reactor s/ar/are/ 13:44 reactor mk 13:44 OldCoder It is fine... expect glitches and crashes. But this is not bad for one day, is it? 13:44 OldCoder 13:46 reactor Is there a command for creating coords? 13:46 reactor Clicking the GUI would be tedious. 13:46 reactor Also, should I add _all_ the places of interest, or only that are appropriately modeled? 13:49 reactor oh 13:49 reactor I see. 15:00 sfan5 hi everyone 15:00 sfan5 VanessaE: I have time now.. 15:04 VanessaE hi all 15:05 reactor VanessaE: o/ 15:05 reactor VanessaE: Pripyat tour? 15:05 harrison ow 15:05 VanessaE sfan5: I just wanted you to make a tweak to the "wrongly-formatted topics" script and re-run it. If a link has both no download and no license link, or if both are set to n/a (case insensitive), these should not be considered as errors. 15:06 VanessaE your script flagged several of my obsolete mods :) 15:06 VanessaE reactor: sure 15:06 sfan5 it does not try to parse anything 15:06 reactor VanessaE: minetest.org:30017 15:06 sfan5 it just "if 'someword' in post_content: ..." 15:06 VanessaE s/if a link/if a post/ 15:06 reactor Not sure if the spawn is right. 15:06 harrison that's what she said 15:07 VanessaE sfan5: ah ok. well re-run your script :P 15:07 sfan5 ok 15:07 reactor harrison: GLaDOS didn't say that. 15:08 harrison beauty is momentary in the mind / the fitful tracing of a portal 15:09 VanessaE reactor: I'm in. waiting for daylight. 15:12 reactor I'm not. stuck on resources, again :( 15:14 reactor Hmm. The instance of Minetest I ran to process underground schemes has started eating the memory after I exited the world to save changes. 15:14 reactor I'm afraid it's gonna receive bus error this way. 15:15 VanessaE mind giving flay/fast/daytime? :) 15:15 reactor When I come, I will. 15:15 VanessaE k 15:15 reactor I'm currently useless: another Minetest is eatnig up the memory. 15:18 VanessaE found an error on your map 15:18 reactor ? 15:18 reactor All slabs are bugged. 15:18 VanessaE at -862,0,-73 there is a plantlike node with the default_grass.png texture. Probably should be one of the default_grass_x.png textures 15:19 VanessaE so far everything else looks right enough 15:20 reactor How are slabs? 15:20 reactor Last time I joined all slabs were misoriented. 15:20 IceCraft hi 15:20 VanessaE this map has gloopores (or glooptest)? kalite in one the main road along the eastern edge of the city 15:20 VanessaE nothing wrong with the slabs, they're fine 15:21 reactor Seen that, too. 15:21 VanessaE (location of the kalite: -893,0,7 ) 15:21 reactor If you mean the red ore and the purple one. 15:21 VanessaE yeah 15:23 reactor Finally, I've logged in. 15:25 OldCoder Leaving shortly 15:25 OldCoder reactor, how is it going? 15:25 VanessaE quite a bit of lag here 15:25 OldCoder None here 15:26 OldCoder Let me check CPU 15:26 OldCoder Load is zero 15:26 OldCoder Network issue 15:26 VanessaE yeah, must be network lag 15:26 OldCoder This server can handle 50 times the current load 15:26 VanessaE it's just slow to load the map 15:26 OldCoder Yes 15:27 OldCoder VanessaE, I need to find out who can comment on a serialize.lua error that says sdata nil. Seems to be connected to mobf. 15:27 OldCoder Plus us* has reported missing PNGs related to Animals, Food, and Technic 15:27 VanessaE hm, this area looks familiar. Maybe the large-but-derelict apartments I've seen in photos once or twice? 15:27 OldCoder But all of the latter except maybe Food are git current 15:27 VanessaE OldCoder: I've never had MOBF throw that error, are you sure your copy is up-to-date? (and the server itself) 15:27 reactor OldCoder: o/ 15:28 VanessaE ok 15:28 reactor OldCoder: I have a preliminary list of places. 15:28 reactor OldCoder: may I paste? 15:29 OldCoder reactor, the bot will kick you 15:29 OldCoder best to paste externally and link 15:29 reactor mk 15:29 OldCoder VanessaE, everything is from the past few days 15:29 OldCoder I pasted the exact error several times the other day; I will get it again now 15:29 reactor ftp://mike402.no-ip.org:65421/pub/Pripyat/remarks 15:30 OldCoder error:...opt/minetest047/share/minetest/builtin/serialize.lua:168: 15:30 OldCoder attempt to index local 'sdata' (a nil value) 15:30 OldCoder reactor, t y 15:30 OldCoder VanessaE, ^ 15:30 reactor OldCoder: the environmental sounds are "too lively" 15:30 VanessaE reactor: error resolving that domain. 15:30 reactor Oops. 15:30 OldCoder reactor, we can work on sound 15:30 OldCoder he is biz 15:30 reactor ftp://mike402.no-ip.biz:65421/pub/Pripyat/remarks 15:31 OldCoder reactor, you no longer need that to be private? 15:31 reactor OldCoder: addicental birds would be fine, but mostly the sound of empty space 15:31 OldCoder reactor, can be adjusted 15:31 OldCoder put it on the list 15:31 reactor OldCoder: I've properly virtualised the server. 15:31 OldCoder What does this mean? And thanks for the list 15:32 reactor OldCoder: ? 15:33 OldCoder What does your point about virtualise mean? 15:33 reactor As in, mostly wind blowing. 15:33 * OldCoder is curious 15:33 OldCoder NakedFury, Hi 15:33 reactor Curiosity killed the cat. 15:33 OldCoder reactor, if you wish sound changes, put it on the list 15:33 OldCoder and 15:33 OldCoder Satisfaction brought her back :P 15:33 reactor Well, I run several servers on a single machine. 15:33 OldCoder Curiosity killed the cat 15:33 OldCoder She got hit with a bat 15:33 reactor And I need to make sure they are kept isolated from each other. 15:33 OldCoder But that was not the end of that 15:33 OldCoder Satisfaction brought her back 15:34 OldCoder reactor, k 15:34 OldCoder technic_akalin_dust.png technic_alatro_dust.png technic_arol_dust.png technic_talinite_dust.png 15:34 OldCoder VanessaE, those Technic dusts are coming up missing 15:35 pitriss OldCoder: i think those dists shouldnt be in default technic.. 15:35 pitriss *dusts 15:35 OldCoder So are food_cigar.png food_soup_chicken_raw.png and other foods 15:35 pitriss OldCoder: it should be in if then clause and depend on other mod installed 15:35 OldCoder pitriss, so how should I resolve the errors? 15:35 reactor The most bothering problem so far is slabs not being placed properly. 15:36 OldCoder reactor, have fun perhaps it can be fixed 15:36 reactor mk 15:36 pitriss OldCoder: hmm hmm try to find those definition and recipes and just delete it 15:36 OldCoder Not much time but we will see 15:36 VanessaE the slabs look fine, reactor 15:36 reactor Eh?! 15:36 OldCoder g2g folks c u sometime later busy day ahead 15:36 OldCoder o/ 15:36 VanessaE if you're using an old version of Minetest, you'll see that 15:36 reactor o/ 15:36 pitriss OldCoder: if you don'ŧ have alantro etc in your game, of course.. 15:37 reactor Their placement changed again? 15:37 reactor Does that mean the map generated in old MT will be useless? 15:37 OldCoder Make notes on problems. pitriss But I just installed default Technic. I will grep later thank you. 15:37 OldCoder No 15:37 OldCoder Can be adjusted 15:37 OldCoder Or can regenerate with new MT 15:37 VanessaE when 6dfacedir was added, it made old clients act weird. 15:37 reactor oh 15:37 VanessaE but I see nothing whatsoever wrong over here 15:38 OldCoder If anybody can find out about the serialize.lua error later let me know I would like to have cows 15:39 reactor By the way, cooked rats would be fine for health replenishment. 15:39 reactor I replaced their texture with Soviet medkits. 15:39 OldCoder Yum 16:02 VanessaE the map's too slow-loading :( 16:02 VanessaE hey EvergreenTree 16:02 reactor Yep. 16:03 reactor EvergreenTree: o/ 16:03 EvergreenTree Heyo 16:03 EvergreenTree reactor, I guess that's your official greeting for me now? :P 16:03 reactor EvergreenTree: What do you mean? 16:03 EvergreenTree Saying o/ every time I join 16:03 EvergreenTree Hi Jordach 16:04 VanessaE o/ is waving 16:04 reactor Okay. Next time I will use " o/' ". And that " ' " is a lumberjack's axe. 16:05 Jordach EvergreenTree, i send you a email and you don't reply :( 16:06 EvergreenTree Whoops, sorry Jordach 16:06 EvergreenTree I check emails rather infrequently 16:06 reactor Since when replying to every mail is mandatory? 16:08 EvergreenTree Because I don't get many of them 16:08 EvergreenTree (I should be thankful though, no spam to be seen) 16:11 EvergreenTree RealBadAngel, o/ 16:11 RealBadAngel hi 16:11 VanessaE hey RBA 16:12 reactor RealBadAngel: oh hi. 16:12 reactor Bump mapping is unnecessary in MT. 16:12 RealBadAngel for you, so dont use it 16:12 RealBadAngel simple as that 16:13 RealBadAngel many folks out there want the game to shine 16:13 RealBadAngel btw, all the minecraft like games have excellent shaders 16:14 reactor But shaders can be used for something else. 16:14 RealBadAngel and are way ahead with them, we have just started 16:14 reactor Like water reflections. 16:14 RealBadAngel ofc 16:14 RealBadAngel it will be done 16:14 reactor And reflections would be good. 16:15 VanessaE but first you need to resolve the version-compatibility issues before we talk about adding more shaders. 16:15 VanessaE :) 16:15 RealBadAngel yeah 16:15 RealBadAngel today i have definitely fixed issues with geometry problems that affected bumpmapping and oclussion mapping 16:16 VanessaE you mean the issue that made the textures sorta 'slide past' one another at the corners? 16:16 RealBadAngel parallax mapping now works perfectly 16:17 VanessaE did you test it with your current copy of HDX? :) 16:17 RealBadAngel hold on for screenshots 16:17 VanessaE (don't pull, you'll lose the normals) 16:18 RealBadAngel shaders off: http://realbadangel.pl/images/wall1.png 16:18 RealBadAngel bumpmapping only: http://realbadangel.pl/images/wall2.png 16:18 RealBadAngel bumpmapping + parallax mode 1: http://realbadangel.pl/images/wall3.png 16:21 reactor HD textures do look out of place on blocky landscape. 16:23 VanessaE RealBadAngel: with those bricks, they actually look better with shaders off 16:23 VanessaE your bumpmaps are too round and smooth for those bricks 16:23 VanessaE the parallax depth looks right, though 16:23 VanessaE but the bumpmap surfaces are too smooth and rounded. there's no detail 16:25 reactor The bricks looks slimy. 16:26 VanessaE yes 16:26 VanessaE or like they're made of glass 16:26 VanessaE RealBadAngel: but forget about the parallax stuff for now. fix your damn water shader 16:27 * Jordach agrees 16:27 Jordach that one sfan5 complained about had me too 16:28 RealBadAngel i had to start with solving tangents 16:29 VanessaE jordach, what? 16:29 RealBadAngel and that affects almost everything in shaders 16:29 Jordach VanessaE, one of the shaders didn't compile for sfan5 either 16:29 VanessaE oh ok 16:29 VanessaE well for me the shader compiles but does not work properly. seen the screenshots of my attempt? 16:30 RealBadAngel Jordach, i have changed some things to work with older version of OpenGl 16:30 Jordach BETTER. 16:30 Jordach MUCH BETTER. 16:30 Jordach - --> Calinou (~Calinou@unaffiliated/calinou) has joined #minetest 16:30 Jordach it'd be better without Calinou :P 16:30 RealBadAngel hi Calinou 16:31 reactor Calinou: ohaider. 16:31 Calinou hi 16:31 RealBadAngel have you tried latest patch i posted? i wonder if errors you have reported are still there 16:32 RealBadAngel Vanessa, those bricks are just an example to highlight the effects 16:32 VanessaE Jordach, RealBadAngel: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2011062013%20-%2011:31:49%20AM.png 16:33 RealBadAngel i played even with 2048px textures to test it 16:33 VanessaE that's with Haven and the shaders fork pulled and compiled yesterday 16:33 RealBadAngel Vanessa, i know, we will fix it sooner or later 16:34 VanessaE and this config file was used just now to take that screenshot: http://pastebin.com/p4TMshng 16:35 RealBadAngel this can be caused by 3 thigs: different version of irrlicht (unlikely), OpenGL version or your video drivers 16:36 OldCoder RealBadAngel, Hi. Not here yet. But I'd like to install the large trees you made. And there are several missing technic dust errors. 16:36 VanessaE RealBadAngel: my video driver is fully up-to-date. I'm at the very latest amd has to offer. 16:37 RealBadAngel have you tried running mt with wine? 16:37 VanessaE yes 16:37 RealBadAngel and? 16:37 VanessaE exact same effect. 16:38 RealBadAngel funny ;) here it works either on windows and linux 16:38 Jordach VanessaE, serves your right for buying the shittier processor and gpu 16:38 RealBadAngel and rather low end GPU 16:38 Jordach RealBadAngel, i get the water shaders under OGL 2.1.2 16:39 VanessaE slightly older build, under WINE: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2011062013%20-%2011:39:16%20AM.png 16:40 VanessaE same config file. 16:40 Jordach VanessaE, oh look, it works :P 16:40 RealBadAngel i will add new tangents to water shaders too 16:40 VanessaE Jordach: no, it doesn;t. 16:41 RealBadAngel first i need to push new parallax mapping 16:41 Jordach and how about learning how to branch while you're at it too RealBadAngel 16:41 VanessaE those two gradients move around on the water widely and randomly, and there's no actual water rippling effect as what RBA is trying ot make 16:43 VanessaE in the linux screenshot, that blue circular region, and the pinkish circular blur in the distance move about randomly, though less so; the blue always stays close to the bottom of my screen, the other one usually stays just out of frame off to the top and side. 16:44 RealBadAngel its weird that youre the only one not able to see correct water 16:45 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/images/wall4.png 16:45 RealBadAngel btw, here you go with another bricks 16:45 VanessaE I'm not the only one. tkerwel, cHyper, hoodedice can't either it seems 16:46 VanessaE well hoodedice has intel gfx so he doesn't count 16:46 VanessaE and as you know sfan5 couldn't either because the shader wouldn't compile 16:47 RealBadAngel it would be useful if i know opengl version of all that have problems 16:47 reactor That's better. 16:47 reactor Not as scary. 16:47 reactor But still scary. 16:47 VanessaE RealBadAngel: OpenGL core profile version string: 4.3.12614 Core Profile Context 13.25.18 16:47 VanessaE OpenGL core profile shading language version string: 4.30 16:48 VanessaE RealBadAngel: are you using anything not listed in here? http://pastebin.com/H9ah1qfD 16:51 RealBadAngel idk whats that list means at all 16:53 OldCoder Does anybody know who work on serialize.lua ? 16:53 VanessaE I presume it's every shader feature my card supports. 16:53 OldCoder * works 16:53 VanessaE OldCoder: don't work on it. leave it as found in upstream and just back the mod down until it works :P 16:54 VanessaE it's most likely just a bug in MOBF. 16:54 OldCoder VanessaE, I do not plan to work on that mod; I wish to know who does. ANd I have no idea what to do with mobf. I suppose cows and chickens cannot be had. 16:54 OldCoder But it is good the world works as well as it does. 16:55 VanessaE well serialize.lua is part of builtin, so it's minetest core territory 16:55 OldCoder By "that mod" I mean serialize.lua as opposed to Animals; I assume that Animals still belongs to Sapier. 16:55 OldCoder Hmm. 16:55 VanessaE so you have to approach it from the standpoint of MOBF being the problem 16:55 OldCoder Has anybody seen Sapier recently? 16:55 VanessaE he comes on here most days 16:55 OldCoder All right, thanks 16:56 OldCoder I have not seen him this past week though I have been more active 16:56 VanessaE I might expect him just about any time time in fact 16:56 OldCoder We will see; good luck with the shader issue 16:56 VanessaE (he's in germany, so for him it's just about quttin' time I guess) 16:56 OldCoder k 16:56 VanessaE quittin' 16:56 reactor Wb OldCoder. 16:56 reactor I'm almost done processing the underground. 16:56 OldCoder ty 16:57 OldCoder k 16:57 OldCoder I am here for about an hour then hours of meetings 16:57 reactor I wish commands could be used remotely. 16:57 reactor I mean, without client. 16:57 VanessaE reactor: IRC mod. 16:57 reactor It supportes that? 16:58 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3905 16:58 VanessaE yes, particularly with the irc_commands add-on 16:58 VanessaE I use it frequently. 16:58 reactor Hmm. 16:58 reactor Worledit still has no setting pos1 and pos2 by coordinates, afaik. 16:59 VanessaE it requires you to compile a library for your machine though, but that's not hard. 16:59 reactor I think I can do that. 16:59 VanessaE sure it has. 16:59 reactor Huh? 16:59 VanessaE /p set if you wanna puch to set then. else, //pos1 //pos2 16:59 VanessaE //p set 17:00 reactor //pos1 only accepts current coordinates 17:00 VanessaE oh right 17:00 * VanessaE is stupid 17:00 VanessaE I'm mixing it up with the areas mod :P 17:00 RealBadAngel if some1 wanna try, its win build with latest changes to shaders and Haven TP 17:00 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/upload/minetest-shaders-win32.zip 17:00 OldCoder - settings->setDefault("enable_texture_atlas", "true"); 17:00 OldCoder + settings->setDefault("enable_texture_atlas", "false"); 17:01 OldCoder VanessaE, is that still good? 17:01 reactor By far not everyone runs that bad OS. 17:01 reactor s/bad/toy/ 17:01 VanessaE OldCoder: there is no texture atlas anymore. 17:01 RealBadAngel there are not texture atlas 17:01 OldCoder Very well t y 17:01 VanessaE why are you patching the engine? 17:01 RealBadAngel it has been removed 17:02 VanessaE RealBadAngel: BAH! no containing folder 17:02 RealBadAngel ? 17:02 VanessaE just try unzipping it. 17:03 VanessaE it spills its folders all over the work dir. 17:03 RealBadAngel shit :) 17:03 RealBadAngel i will repack it 17:03 reactor tar bomb 17:04 * Jordach claps 17:06 VanessaE RealBadAngel: my guess as to why your shaders fail for me is that your hacky way of getting those attributes and uniform sample buffers to your shaders is not possible with my particular setup. 17:06 Jordach solids shader still shitty 17:06 OldCoder VanessaE, I have two patches that may still apply. One trivial patch that Sapier gave me for Animals. And a definite bug related to audio. 17:06 OldCoder Checking them now 17:06 VanessaE OldCoder: don't apply any patches. 17:06 OldCoder VanessaE, I must 17:06 VanessaE run clean upstream. 17:06 OldCoder Cannot 17:06 VanessaE it's very different from what you had before. 17:06 OldCoder Without the audio patch... 17:06 OldCoder I cannot take screenshots 17:06 VanessaE try it anyway 17:06 OldCoder I will post the patches and you may judge 17:06 * Jordach smells ssh 17:06 OldCoder No; already did 17:07 OldCoder I will post the patches and you may judge 17:07 OldCoder But let me resync them first 17:07 OldCoder If you agree with them, push or pull them later 17:07 OldCoder Whatever 17:07 VanessaE why would an audio patch affect your ability to take screenshots? 17:07 VanessaE that makes no sense 17:08 VanessaE (Oh G*d I'm starting to sound like c55) 17:08 Jordach how about we re-write minetest to use another graphics lib by 0.6 17:08 VanessaE yeah right 17:08 Jordach then shaders would actually work :P 17:09 VanessaE better to make it go direct to OpenGL and ditch support for DX and irrlicht anyway 17:09 RealBadAngel Jordach, whats shitty in solids shaders? 17:09 Jordach doesnt compile 17:09 reactor Minetest no longer needs irrlicht? 17:10 OldCoder VanessaE, You will see momentarily. Both patches are still valid. 17:10 RealBadAngel Jordach, what errors? 17:10 Jordach RealBadAngel, it fails to compile 17:10 RealBadAngel if so it report errors 17:10 RealBadAngel please copy them 17:10 VanessaE Jordach: serves you for using a shitty CPU/drivers/GPU :P 17:11 VanessaE +right 17:11 OldCoder http://minetest.org/mtpatch-131106a.txt 17:11 OldCoder VanessaE, ^ two patches 17:11 VanessaE OldCoder: I know this sounds lame, but did you actually try current git HEAD, master branch? without those patches? 17:11 OldCoder VanessaE, ^ two patches 17:12 OldCoder Of course I did 17:12 OldCoder And I don't know if the first one is still needed 17:12 OldCoder I need to ask Sapier about that one 17:12 VanessaE ok just making sure. 17:12 OldCoder This assumes that current git HEAD is: 17:12 OldCoder git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git 17:12 VanessaE current HEAD is 8903c68460d79aeac6b1c5074003743f98371339 17:12 OldCoder Is this correct: 17:12 OldCoder git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git 17:12 OldCoder ? 17:12 VanessaE should be yes 17:13 OldCoder Very well 17:13 * Jordach pokes EvergreenTree 17:13 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/XwIx5FG.png 17:13 VanessaE but which commit are you at? 17:13 OldCoder Two patches; I would like the 2nd one added 17:13 OldCoder Does it matter? The patches have been correct for a year 17:13 OldCoder Except Sapier needs to comment on the 1st one 17:13 VanessaE OldCoder: it matters. 17:13 OldCoder Go on 17:13 OldCoder I have simply done a git cline 17:13 OldCoder I have simply done a git clone * a few days ago 17:13 VanessaE OldCoder: a few days ago? you're not current then. 17:14 OldCoder Fine; I can build every day then 17:14 OldCoder It does not matter unless somebody has added the 2nd patch 17:14 * OldCoder shrugs 17:14 VanessaE the last commit was yesterday morning 17:14 OldCoder Yes? 17:14 VanessaE just making sure it all 17:14 VanessaE is* 17:14 OldCoder Shall I rebuild now? 17:14 VanessaE yes 17:14 VanessaE just to see where your client stands relative to what you remember 17:14 * OldCoder proceeds 17:15 OldCoder VanessaE, Unless somebody modified the OpenAL code in the last 3 days... it stands exactly where it was 17:15 OldCoder But I am proceeding 17:16 OldCoder VanessaE, FWIW The 2nd patch simply disables warning messages that flood my screen 17:16 VanessaE OH 17:16 VanessaE you can get rid of those by pressing F2 17:16 OldCoder The messages in question are connected to OpenAL 17:16 VanessaE just turn off the chat when taking screens 17:16 OldCoder The messages are there all the time and mess up the game 17:16 VanessaE (not that it helps you actually chat) 17:17 OldCoder Need to be gone by default 17:17 OldCoder Regarding the 1st patch, as I said, Sapier will need to comment on that one 17:19 OldCoder Patches apply cleanly 17:19 OldCoder dafull97, wb 17:19 dafull97 Thanks OldCoder, how are you so far today? 17:20 dafull97 Megaf you here/ 17:20 OldCoder dafull97, Day is still young. Physically rested quite a bit. Yesterday was difficult but progress on MT was fun. Reactor Pripyat world is up. 17:20 dafull97 ? 17:20 dafull97 nice, havn't see that... and here it is 12:40 17:21 OldCoder Stopping my worlds and rebuilding now Vanessa... let us see what the Octocore can do 17:21 dafull97 12:20 sorry =/ and what is Reactor Pripyat? 17:21 VanessaE OldCoder: you need to disable all of your performance tuning on the server configs and start over, btw. Pripyat world loads *really* slowly. 17:21 OldCoder COmpile started 17:21 OldCoder VanessaE, OK 17:22 VanessaE most of the old performance tuning stuff just doesn't apply anymore 17:22 OldCoder Let me finish compile and show you the conf 17:22 OldCoder You may state changes 17:22 VanessaE ok 17:22 OldCoder Hmm. Nice and fast. 17:23 OldCoder Done 17:23 VanessaE OldCoder: here's what my survival server uses. The other four are similar: http://pastebin.com/fKPw2EFC 17:23 OldCoder VanessaE, was that fast enough to rebuild from scratch? 17:23 VanessaE yes, quite so 17:23 OldCoder Reviewing the paste 17:23 OldCoder VanessaE, I will show you my conf in a moment 17:24 reactor dafull97: ? 17:25 OldCoder http://minetest.org/pripyat-conf.txt 17:25 OldCoder VanessaE, suggest changes ^ 17:25 dafull97 what is Reactor Pripyat, meaning is server or a map? 17:25 dafull97 reactor^ 17:25 * Jordach 's hair got caught in the headphones hinge again 17:26 reactor dafull97: it's my Pripyat map. 17:26 reactor dafull97: not mine, but I'm porting it. 17:26 reactor dafull97: making corrections along the way 17:26 dafull97 nice, i will stop by later =) 17:26 reactor mk 17:26 dafull97 im in school so i can't =( 17:26 OldCoder Jordach, That sounds interesting 17:27 Jordach OldCoder, it hurts, my beard is getting long 17:27 OldCoder I will need to shift focus to work shortly 17:27 OldCoder Beard? 17:27 Jordach (they've been doing so for years!) 17:27 OldCoder Keep it trimmed 17:27 Jordach it's a nice ginger-y brown 17:27 VanessaE get rid of the congestion_control*, max_block_send_distance, and dedicated_server_step settings entirely. definitely enable rollback_recording. change max_simultaneous_block_sends* to what you see in my conf. Don't use remote_media, it's broken. 17:27 OldCoder Beards have pros and cons 17:27 OldCoder VanessaE, remote_media works for me I have kahrl code 17:27 VanessaE I changed my map save interval to 600 (every 10 minutes) but you may wanna tune that to your needs. 17:27 VanessaE OldCoder: ok, in that case keep it. 17:28 OldCoder Oh... remind me... 17:28 OldCoder Is that a client side patch or a server one? 17:28 reactor VanessaE: is it about speeding up the map loading? 17:28 VanessaE kahrl's code is both I think. 17:28 VanessaE reactor: the max_sim* settings will help some, yes. 17:28 OldCoder Hmm... I had best put back the 131102 files until we talk to him 17:28 OldCoder I don't recall using a server side patch 17:28 VanessaE the other settings just don't matter anymore 17:29 OldCoder VanessaE, rollback slows things down doesn't it? 17:29 VanessaE OldCoder: kahrl's code is server-side for sure, because clients already have basic cURL support. 17:29 reactor OldCoder: I've just finished processing underground. 17:29 VanessaE it can, but it doesn't usually. 17:29 VanessaE especially if you have a fast disk 17:29 reactor There are still some holes in it, but it's better. 17:29 OldCoder I think we need to talk to him... Not sure patch is applied correctly here 17:29 OldCoder Removed congestion control 17:30 OldCoder Removed max_block_send_distance 17:30 VanessaE OldCoder: 17:30 VanessaE [11-06 12:26] uhm... i guess the feeding of error messages to the chat could be removed 17:30 VanessaE [11-06 12:29] it's just a few lines that deal with chat_log_error_buf in game.cpp 17:30 OldCoder k 17:30 VanessaE so maybe there will be an upstream commit to that soon 17:30 dafull97 How would i go about making maps for minetest? 17:30 OldCoder Removed dedicated_server_step 17:30 OldCoder dafull97, Just build 17:30 OldCoder In offline mode 17:30 VanessaE [11-06 12:30] just adding a third boolean parameter to ChatBackend::addMessage to determine whether they go to the non-console buffer would work fine 17:31 dafull97 so cannot use somthing like scratch 3d? 17:32 rubenwardy Hi all! 17:32 OldCoder VanessaE, I made the conf changes except for rollback. I think I need to go back to the other day's server sources until we discuss kahrl code with him. Any chance of getting his stuff sent upstream? 17:32 OldCoder rubenwardy, Hi 17:32 OldCoder dafull97, No 17:32 OldCoder dafull97, actually sort of 17:32 OldCoder dafull97, There may be offline map editors or they could be written 17:32 VanessaE OldCoder: soon actually yes. one sec please. 17:37 RealBadAngel VanessaE, http://realbadangel.pl/images/hdx_bricks.png 17:38 VanessaE not too bad but a but too smooth 17:38 VanessaE bit* 17:38 RealBadAngel i made this normalmap tricky 17:39 RealBadAngel i desaturated your bricks, inverted them and made normalmap out of such image 17:41 OldCoder VanessaE, I will check back in a little while. RealBadAngel I wish the large trees. And I am getting reports of missing Technic Dusts of different types. 17:41 * OldCoder will bbiab 17:41 RealBadAngel OldCoder, regarding moretrees ask VanessaE 17:41 OldCoder RealBadAngel, I have that I think; are those the large trees you showed off months ago? 17:41 OldCoder The really big ones? 17:42 OldCoder bbiab 17:42 RealBadAngel yes 17:45 OldCoder k t y 17:46 VanessaE OldCoder: irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-11-04 17:46 OldCoder R 17:46 VanessaE OldCoder: moretrees, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4394 17:47 VanessaE needs plantlife, which you already have (btw, please pull, there are updates) 17:47 MNR Hi 17:47 VanessaE hi 17:48 RealBadAngel VanessaE, so another try: http://realbadangel.pl/images/hdx_bricks2.png 17:48 OldCoder VanessaE, IIRC I have moretrees. What was the conclusion about httpfetch? I don't see a conclusion. 17:48 OldCoder Pulling plantlife now 17:48 VanessaE OldCoder: just that what you read there is what needs done. it has not yet been done afaik 17:48 * VanessaE pokes kahrl 17:49 VanessaE RealBadAngel: the parallax is not bad, but still not enough detail on the bricks and mortar 17:49 MNR I am to minetest so how do you fly?? 17:49 MNR new 17:49 Menche MNR, press 'k' 17:50 RealBadAngel type /grant singleplayer all 17:50 MNR thanks 17:50 reactor You are new to English, too, aren't you? 17:50 RealBadAngel then press K for fly 17:50 VanessaE RealBadAngel: you need to shrink the size of the bricks parts of the normalmaps so that the mortar doesn't get stretched. 17:50 VanessaE the side edges of the brick should look like brick :P 17:51 Jordach !next 17:51 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 17:51 OldCoder VanessaE, updated most of your mods including moretrees 17:52 VanessaE OldCoder: sweet :) 17:52 OldCoder Takes only seconds. I will need to go soon. Will probably run server from a few days ago until we talk to Kahrl. I'm trying to remember what we did. He seemed satisfied at the time. 17:52 * OldCoder is hesitant to break things 17:55 RealBadAngel http://realbadangel.pl/images/hdx_bricks3.png 17:56 VanessaE RealBadAngel: getting better. 17:56 VanessaE push the code. 17:56 VanessaE and fix the damn water shader :) 17:56 VanessaE (you know I won't let up on that :) ) 17:56 OldCoder RealBadAngel, technic grinder recipes references akalin_dust but there is no such image. There are multiple instances of this issue. Should the images be pulled from some old version of Technic? 17:56 Jordach more code less textyres 17:57 markveidemanis Hi 17:57 OldCoder markveidemanis, Hi 17:57 RealBadAngel Oldcoder, that are just recipes, nekogloop shall take care of the items, those are from gloopores 17:57 RealBadAngel he asked for those recipes 17:58 OldCoder That is fine; but I am getting errors 17:58 OldCoder How shall I fix the errors? Delete those lines from Technic? 17:58 RealBadAngel what errors are you getting? 17:58 RealBadAngel if there are no items, recipes wont do anything 17:59 OldCoder I said before 17:59 OldCoder Several Technic Dust images 17:59 OldCoder do not exist 17:59 OldCoder If they are to be provided by gloopores 17:59 OldCoder But are not 17:59 OldCoder I suppose I should remove the lines that cause the errors 18:00 OldCoder PilzAdam, was it you or sfan5 who gave me a simple anti-lava mod a year ago? 18:00 OldCoder Very simple but things were a bit messed up and I don't have it now 18:00 Exio4 what would you do with an old pc w/ 16mb ram + 512mb hdd? 18:00 OldCoder Hmm 18:00 OldCoder Run a startup 18:01 Jordach Exio4, linux + bare minetest server 18:01 Exio4 with 16mb of ram? 18:01 OldCoder Sure 18:01 Exio4 and.. a 96' cpu? 18:02 OldCoder Good enough for static web server 18:02 VanessaE 16MB? jeez, my commodore 64 has more than that 18:02 OldCoder 16MB is 16 times 18:02 OldCoder What Bill Gates said was more RAM than we would ever need :P 18:03 kaeza oh teh irony 18:03 Exio4 640kb is enough for anyone 18:03 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 18:03 Exio4 the hdd has atm a working windows 95 18:03 PilzAdam OldCoder, ummm.... a year ago?, dunno 18:03 Jordach s/everyone!/world! 18:03 OldCoder PilzAdam, Very simple mod that did something about lava traveling vertically down 18:04 OldCoder Eliminated a too-easy way to explode worlds 18:04 OldCoder Angle 90 degrees and lava was locked out; something like that 18:04 OldCoder c u later o/ 18:04 * OldCoder is AFK working 18:04 VanessaE bill gates never actually said that 640k line 18:04 OldCoder No? Pripyat World and Zegaton are restarted with server from weekend. I will upgrade server to git current after talking to kahrl 18:05 OldCoder For cache to speed up loads of worlds, see the link I posted earlier 18:05 kaeza Exio4, make some cool game in JS. does not matter how complex; processing power in needed client-side anyway :P 18:06 kaeza is* 18:06 Exio4 haha 18:08 * Jordach evilly laughs 18:08 VanessaE that reminds me... 18:09 * VanessaE updates her servers' cache archive. 18:09 Jordach VLC can steal audio sources and record from them, suck it DRM 18:10 VanessaE Jordach: always remember this mantra: "If I can see or hear it, I can copy it." 18:10 Jordach heh 18:13 sfan5 Exio4: I have two 128MB RAM thingys lying around.. 18:14 * Jordach has a pile of ram sticks several inches high 18:14 * dafull97 has nothing 18:14 Exio4 i have some [cs jere 18:14 Exio4 pcs 18:15 * dafull97 and laughs Evil 18:15 dafull97 idk, im bored 18:15 Exio4 an amd duron, 900mhz, with 80gb hdd (ide ofc), and 256+128mb of ram 18:15 reactor AMD Moron 18:15 Exio4 a sempron with ddr2 ram and overclocked w/ fsb to 3500mhz 18:15 Exio4 and an 486SX now 18:15 * sfan5 has an 64GB HDD (IDE 3,5') and 250GB HDD (SATA 2,5') lying around 18:16 kaeza 486 O_O 18:16 Exio4 what kaeza 18:16 Exio4 :D 18:16 * dafull97 is switching to 4th block 18:16 * dafull97 then he will go home =) 18:16 sfan5 and 2 cooling fans and an AMD turion 64 x2 18:17 reactor Night. 18:17 Jordach sfan5, post me that 250gb pl0x 18:17 Jordach im running out of room :D 18:18 Exio4 i have a 160gb hdd sata atm 18:18 Jordach 160gb isnt enough for me :P 18:18 Exio4 but there is a small problem, it is broken 18:18 Exio4 :D 18:18 Jordach i'd completely move my media partition to the 250gb 18:19 sfan5 oh, I also have an 17'' TFT WXGA+ TFT with LVDS interface lying around 18:19 sfan5 and a laptop keyboard with some unknown interface 18:20 Jordach unknown interface 18:20 Jordach pics pl0x 18:21 sfan5 coming 18:23 sfan5 godangit 18:23 sfan5 +d 18:24 sfan5 i just wanted to post that img and first the irc client crashes and then my whole ipod crashes 18:26 sfan5[iPod] Jordach: http://i.imgur.com/AMdraWAh.jpg 18:26 sfan5[iPod] meow 18:29 sfan5 I also have a 3,5' FDD and a network card with an RTL8029AS 18:29 sfan5 and a DVD burner/reader with another unknown interface 18:31 sfan5 and a TV card with another unknown interface and finally a small TFT from a digital camera 18:31 sfan5 thats all :P 18:32 OldCoder I'm here for 10 minutes and I'll note suggestions related to Pripyat. But I think we're paused for now. To summarize for anybody interested: (1) Holding software updates pending kahrl httpfetch questions (2) Will update the map for reactor (3) Hoping to speak with Sapier regarding mobf serialize error (4) Need to edit Technic, Food, Animals to fix missing images (5) Made config changes suggested by VE 18:33 OldCoder Thank you to people for assistance over the past few days 18:35 rubenwardy Awards Mod 0.3 -!- https://github.com/rubenwardy/awards/commit/773f7993203ee0d953bf019fd5e0f818e7008241 18:35 rubenwardy Fixed a ton of bugs 18:35 sfan5 !title 18:35 sfan5 MinetestBot! 18:35 MinetestBot sfan5! 18:35 sfan5 :-/ 18:35 sfan5 !title 18:36 PilzAdam sfan5, IIRC !me didnt work yesterday 18:36 sfan5 hmmm 18:36 MinetestBot sfan5: Restructure for bulletproof-ness · 773f799 · rubenwardy/awards · GitHub 18:36 sfan5 MinetestBot: too late 18:36 MinetestBot sfan5: Restructure for bulletproof-ness · 773f799 · rubenwardy/awards · GitHub 18:39 rubenwardy Basically the ton of errors that occured before are fixed 18:39 rubenwardy (and probably new ones added) 18:40 dante123 hi all i set max_users = 25 in minetest.conf but evertime I reboot server it allows something like 15 people in....then get too many users error. How do I make the max_users option stick or stay permanent 18:40 dante123 when i check minetest.conf, the max_users line is missing even though i saved it with it in there 18:41 PilzAdam have you edited minetest.conf while a Minetest server is running? 18:42 dante123 probably 18:42 PilzAdam you shouldnt do that 18:42 dante123 ok will shut it down then try again 18:43 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=117269#p117269 18:43 rubenwardy !title 18:43 MinetestBot rubenwardy: [Mod] Achievements [0.3 -!- bug fix to be usable] [awards] (Page 3) — Mod Releases — Minetest Fo[...] 18:43 rubenwardy :P 18:44 dante123 thanks PilzAdam that seemed to do the trick 18:54 Rhy5 Now with me banned and rollbacked from RealTest, the server will be a better place. 18:54 dafull97 NAND FLASH memory? 18:54 dafull97 what is ^^ 18:56 Jordach Rhy5, hm 18:56 Rhy5 Don't worry Jordach. 18:57 markveidemanis https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7635 I think someone attempted this with mods a while ago... 18:58 Rhy5 Mark? It's been a long time 18:59 Jordach bb shadow 19:00 sfan5 Jordach: seen the image? 19:01 ShadowNinja :-| This is unusual, the server had very good uptime before I moved ShadowBot to it. 19:01 Jordach sfan5, http://www.darfon.com.tw/English/ 19:01 Jordach i get lead there 19:01 sfan5 there is no info there 19:02 Jordach sfan5, http://www.darfon.com.tw/English/HID_NBkb.asp?item=AF 19:02 Jordach does that look familiar 19:02 sfan5 ye 19:02 sfan5 s 19:02 sfan5 but there is no info about the connector 19:02 Jordach hm 19:03 Rhy5 I'll come back on IRC later. 19:04 Rhy5 Wait, I'll stay 19:05 dafull97 who would like to look at my animations so far? 19:05 dafull97 i did them in school 19:06 dafull97 PM please if you want to, thanks... 19:06 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/emqTmAg.png 19:06 Jordach fuck the animations 19:07 dafull97 -_- lol, ok 19:07 dafull97 =) 19:07 Rhy5 Lovely image. :) 19:07 dafull97 well not trouble post links> 19:07 dafull97 who would like to look 19:07 Jordach prototype http://i.imgur.com/faOuDSU.png 19:08 dafull97 http://cpu.gozure.com/Animations.html 19:08 sfan5 >Flash 19:08 Jordach > flash 19:08 sfan5 *D:* 19:08 dafull97 second one to you Jordach, and yes indeed 19:09 * Jordach dies 19:09 * MinetestBot dies 19:09 * dafull97 kills 19:09 dafull97 lol 19:10 dafull97 what is sooo wrong with flash? 19:10 Jordach because everyone uses HTML5 now 19:10 Menche buggy, slow, obsolete... 19:10 sfan5 it eats resources (cpu, gpu) 19:10 Jordach works on my SGS4, iPhone 5C 19:10 dafull97 yes true to both =/ 19:10 dafull97 well, haha 19:10 sfan5 Jordach: you have an iPhone 5C? 19:11 dafull97 i attempt 19:11 Jordach sfan5, im a cheap bastard :D 19:11 Jordach also: NSA 19:11 Jordach i aint givin no thumb prints 19:11 * Jordach will probably use a nipple for it 19:11 sfan5 >iPhone 5C >cheap 19:11 sfan5 haha 19:11 sfan5 yeah sure 19:11 sfan5 cheap.. 19:11 Jordach (other body parts work with the fingerprint thingy) 19:11 sfan5 the cheapest apple product is the iTouch5G 16 GB 19:11 Menche >i[anything] >cheap 19:12 Jordach Menche, +1 for regex 19:12 sfan5 after that comes the iPad mini 16 GB WiFi 19:12 Jordach > iPad >cheap 19:12 Jordach i'd rather buy a fucking surface 2 19:13 sfan5 ^i[a-zA-z]+ ([a-z]+ )?[0-9]GS?$ 19:14 sfan5 I mean ^i[a-zA-z]+ ([a-z]+ )?[0-9](G|C|S)?$ 19:14 kaeza A-z ? 19:14 Jordach sfan5, on a contact, the 5C is free as in free beer 19:16 dafull97 i have a good idea.. =) 19:16 sfan5 Jordach: s/contact/contract/ ? 19:16 Jordach that 19:16 Jordach you know my spelling is shit this time of night 19:16 sfan5 >night >20:16 GMT+2 19:17 Jordach GMT+1 actually 19:17 sfan5 oh right.. 19:17 Jordach i'm in the GMT+0 range 19:17 Jordach because London 19:17 sfan5 lol, they now sell a Raspberry Pi XMAS bundle at Reichelt 19:17 Jordach *Third 19:18 dafull97 anyone selling a Raspberry pi or a similar board? 19:18 Jordach its fuck all cash dude 19:19 Jordach i'd buy 64 of em and make a render farm 19:19 sfan5 lolno 19:19 sfan5 a http://www.parallella.org/ would be way better for that 19:19 Jordach gram* 19:19 sfan5 wow, a 320 GB HDD is 36 € 19:19 sfan5 s/a/an/ 19:20 Jordach i can get 1tb for ~£70 19:20 sfan5 83€... 19:21 dafull97 nah, not the best Jordach 19:21 sfan5 this one ( http://www.reichelt.de/?ARTICLE=121850;PROVID=1024 ) is 55€ 19:21 Jordach sfan5, *third 19:21 dafull97 https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A20/A20-OLinuXino-MICRO 19:21 dafull97 the best so far ^^ 19:22 dafull97 for a reasonable price 19:22 sfan5 dafull97: why would you not want to buy a raspberry pi from a distributor? 19:22 * Jordach found a top hat in a clothing store on GTA5 19:22 dafull97 sfan5, i do.... but second hand is cheaper =D 19:22 sfan5 I won't sell mine for sure :D 19:23 sfan5 wow 19:23 sfan5 a 2TB 2,5' HDD costs almost as much as a 4TB 3,5' HDD 19:23 dafull97 wow? what? 19:24 dafull97 ohh, haha 19:24 sfan5 hmm 19:24 sfan5 I have around $150 stuff lying around.. 19:24 sfan5 +worth of 19:25 dafull97 such as/ 19:25 dafull97 *? 19:25 sfan5 oh, I also have an 17'' TFT WXGA+ TFT with LVDS interface lying around 19:25 sfan5 * sfan5 has an 64GB HDD (IDE 3,5') and 250GB HDD (SATA 2,5') lying around 19:26 sfan5 does anyone here have a Pebble? 19:27 thexyz I have a 16 gb IDE 3.5, am I cool? 19:27 sfan5 yes :P 19:27 thexyz I've also covered a hole it says not to hover 19:27 thexyz how's that? 19:28 sfan5 post a pic to /r/firstworldanarchists 19:29 dafull97 sfan5, you are in #minetest? 19:29 dafull97 i mean #minecraft? 19:30 sfan5 yes 19:30 dafull97 they are brats 19:30 markveidemanis anyone know of any simple web apps, like mtremote? 19:31 dafull97 i have an idea for minetest 19:33 Menche and... ? 19:33 dafull97 make it so you can play minetest on the internet, such as a webpage 19:34 Menche that's been discussed before. it would probably be rather difficult. 19:34 dafull97 it which ways? 19:34 Menche minecraft can because it's written in java, which can be run as a browser plugin. 19:35 dafull97 ohh, and minetest isnt 19:35 Menche i'm not sure, but minetest would probably have to be rewritten or heavily modified to run in a browser. 19:36 dafull97 yes, =/ sucks 19:36 Menche would definitely be nice, but not really practical. 19:36 dafull97 yes... =/ hah 19:37 rubenwardy Irrlicht has a webgl port 19:37 rubenwardy but not cpp! 19:37 rubenwardy You could make a plugin for it 19:37 thexyz emscripten! 19:37 rubenwardy I dont think it is worth it 19:37 thexyz hey, we'll probably get to the news 19:38 Jordach oh it is 19:38 thexyz with crazy shit like this 19:38 thexyz even if it works at 5 fps on top hardware 19:39 sfan5 I have compiled irrlicht using emscripten 19:39 sfan5 but linking it to something takes like 10 minutes 19:39 Jordach ...what hasnt sfan5 compiled 19:39 sfan5 I haven't compiled MinetestBot 19:40 MinetestBot Meow, you've compiled Python... 19:40 thexyz sfan5: does it work? 19:40 sfan5 nope, emscripted is missing some SDL function 19:40 sfan5 MinetestBot: thats right, how did you know? 19:40 sfan5 emscripten* 19:40 sfan5 functions* 19:41 Jordach [off] good, he's gone 19:42 sfan5 [off] daempty79 19:42 thexyz wow so unfriendly 19:42 Jordach [off] dafuq97 19:42 Jordach so wow thexyz butthurt 19:42 EvergreenTree y u so mean? :( 19:42 EvergreenTree jk 19:42 sfan5 y u so tree? :( 19:43 * Jordach has a joke related to wood 19:43 thexyz Jordach: try harder next time 19:43 EvergreenTree because I'm a tree 19:43 * Jordach might introduce EvergreenTree with the words: morning wood! 19:43 * EvergreenTree barks at MinetestBot 19:43 Jordach hah bark 19:43 rubenwardy I haven't compiled MinetestBot 19:44 rubenwardy bye all 19:44 EvergreenTree cya 19:44 MinetestBot grr, EvergreenTree 19:44 MinetestBot meow~ 19:44 EvergreenTree rar 19:44 EvergreenTree .rar 19:44 * MinetestBot runs away 19:44 sfan5 kill it with a free trail 19:44 EvergreenTree plol 19:44 sfan5 trial* 19:44 Jordach trial* 19:44 rubenwardy Wow! Minetestbot is saying stuff! he must be self-aware 19:45 sfan5 she* 19:45 * MinetestBot comes back 19:45 * MinetestBot claws at rubenwardy 19:45 Jordach naughty girtl 19:45 Jordach girl* 19:45 rubenwardy autocorrect girtl -> git 19:45 EvergreenTree !sit 19:45 * MinetestBot sits 19:46 * Jordach pets MinetestBot 19:46 * MinetestBot purrs 19:46 Jordach :3 19:46 sfan5 !stand 19:46 * MinetestBot stands up and serves Jordach a tea 19:46 Menche !fetch 19:46 Jordach woo tea 19:46 * MinetestBot fetches the ball 19:46 * Jordach cuddles MinetestBot 19:46 rubenwardy Are the real commands, or is sfan5 using !say, !me? 19:46 * MinetestBot purrs 19:46 EvergreenTree rubenwardy, can you guess? :P 19:46 sfan5 ^ 19:47 rubenwardy yeah 19:47 Jordach ^ 19:47 sfan5 ^ 19:47 Jordach ^ 19:47 sfan5 ^ 19:47 EvergreenTree carrot! 19:47 rubenwardy ^ 19:47 sfan5 tree! 19:47 Jordach C-C-C-C-OMBO BREAKER 19:47 sfan5 haha 19:47 Menche ^ 19:47 rubenwardy Bedtime children 19:47 Menche ^ 19:47 EvergreenTree I have to hand it to you Jordach, that was the best comob breaker I've seen in a while 19:47 sfan5 rubenwardy: it's only 20:47 19:47 EvergreenTree *combo 19:47 * Jordach pisses self laughing 19:48 rubenwardy dirty Jordach 19:48 Jordach Jordach:self_piss(laughing) 19:48 * MinetestBot purrs 19:48 rubenwardy wear a napy 19:48 Jordach fuck that 19:48 rubenwardy nappy 19:48 Jordach it's an expression rubenwardy 19:48 rubenwardy I know :P 19:48 rubenwardy Jordach:piss(laughing);Jordach.piss(sfan5,laughing); 19:48 Jordach rubenwardy, Lua 19:48 rubenwardy yeah 19:48 Jordach i use fucking Lua you boron 19:48 sfan5 Lua Lua Lua Lua Lua Lua Lua Lua Lua 19:49 * MinetestBot meows silently 19:49 Jordach sfan5[1]: unexpected character before 19:49 rubenwardy you use ; to put commands on to one line 19:49 rubenwardy s/commands/instructions 19:49 EvergreenTree !sleep 19:49 * MinetestBot meows and goes to sleep 19:50 rubenwardy !s -s -t 1000 -m bye! 19:50 MinetestBot Zzz.. 19:51 sfan5 MinetestBot: wake up! 19:51 * MinetestBot wakes up 19:51 EvergreenTree ^ Yes I notice that you noticed that this notice is not worth noticing 19:51 EvergreenTree rise and shine MinetestBot 19:51 EvergreenTree after that 5 second nap 19:52 sfan5 I noticed that you noticed that you noticed that the notice is not worth noticing 19:52 EvergreenTree /s/notice/infinity 19:52 sfan5 stack overflow error 19:55 EvergreenTree That was the most hilarious chat I've had in a while on this channel 19:55 sfan5 I liked it :D 19:56 sfan5 init: goddangit, I need to add another nickname to pisg.conf 19:56 sfan5 wait no 19:56 sfan5 I already have this 19:56 * sfan5 generates a new irc statistics 19:56 sfan5 -a 19:58 Jordach OH SHITR 19:58 Jordach -R 19:58 sfan5 lol 19:58 * Jordach machine guns down sfan5 with an Uzi 19:59 * sfan5 points his /dev/urandom cannon at Jordach and fires 19:59 * Jordach grabs a /dev/null shield 20:00 sfan5 :-/ 20:00 * sfan5 pulls out his black hole gun and shoots a black hole into /dev/null 20:00 Jordach Program Exception: Swag Overflow 20:00 sfan5 plol 20:00 sfan5 you know what 20:01 Jordach new quote time 20:01 sfan5 animate what just happend in blender and .. 20:01 sfan5 dunno... would be awesome though 20:01 Jordach mhm 20:01 Jordach could be done within 2000 frames 20:02 Jordach \o/ 20:02 Jordach Minetest Forums has made 8th on chrome most visited 20:03 EvergreenTree It's 3rd most visited forme 20:03 EvergreenTree *for me 20:03 * Jordach sets the channel tune to Savant - ISM (Original Mix) 20:03 sfan5 I need 993 posts to have 3000 20:03 sfan5 Jordach: that .. is awesome 20:04 Jordach sfan5[1] Concat error; string not finished 20:04 EvergreenTree Savant is awesome 20:04 sfan5 ^ 20:04 * sfan5 opens up Spotify 20:04 Jordach sfan5, Best of Savant playlist is made by me 20:04 Jordach ;) 20:04 * sfan5 searches 20:05 thexyz https://www.facebook.com/internetexplorertan 20:05 Jordach sfan5, or search thejordach ;) 20:05 EvergreenTree Jordach, I can think of some good artists: Virtual Riot, Nitro fun, most artists in monstercat... 20:05 sfan5 thexyz: dat title picture, why would anyone draw something like that D: 20:07 * EvergreenTree swings at sfan5 with an 8-bit lightsaber 20:07 Jordach Shall we explore the web? <- I know where I wanna search :D 20:07 Jordach 20:07 * sfan5 throws a kitten at EvergreenTree 20:07 thexyz I want to download it but the link just brings me back to facebook 20:07 sfan5 Jordach: oh please no 20:08 sfan5 thexyz: you mean that? https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1208666_465281160254296_746856983_n.png 20:08 Calinou facebook photo warning 20:08 thexyz sfan5: > www.internetexplorertan.com/download 20:08 PilzAdam sfan5, did you just place a kitten on a tree? 20:08 sfan5 PilzAdam: yes 20:08 sfan5 thexyz: oh.. 20:08 * Jordach gets a ladder to retrieve MinetestBot 20:09 Jordach come 'ere girl 20:09 PilzAdam sfan5, you are a mean person, that kitten is afraid of height! 20:09 EvergreenTree someone get MinetestBot off of me 20:09 sfan5 PilzAdam: who said EvergreenTree is a full grown tree? 20:09 PilzAdam I implied it 20:09 * Jordach carries MinetestBot down the ladder 20:09 sfan5 thexyz: I think it is supposed to be a facebook app >https://www.facebook.com/internetexplorertan/app_1422641071287146 20:10 thexyz sfan5: uh, facebook's got such unfriendly interface 20:10 sfan5 yep 20:10 thexyz where's the app? 20:11 thexyz I see the same page as https://www.facebook.com/internetexplorertan/ 20:11 sfan5 I guess it's not there yet 20:11 Jordach MinetestTan anyone 20:11 EvergreenTree This is me -> http://bioweb.uwlax.edu/bio203/s2009/madisen_neil/IMG_0111.JPG 20:11 sfan5 I still wonder how many money M$ paid 20:11 thexyz alright 20:11 Jordach EvergreenTree, i thought that was a legit pic 20:11 Jordach :P 20:11 EvergreenTree lol 20:12 EvergreenTree it is, I'm a tree after all 20:12 khonkhortisan He is a cat. He's a cat. He's got a cat. He has got a cat. He has a cat. 20:12 sfan5 s/cat/kitten/ 20:13 EvergreenTree Now can someone get this kitten off me? 20:13 thexyz also http://sdrv.ms/internetexplorertan 20:13 sfan5 Jordach: which of the 4 playlists is it? 20:13 sfan5 EvergreenTree: Jordach already did 20:14 EvergreenTree Oh, this one isn't MinetestBot then 20:14 EvergreenTree shoo other kitten shoo 20:14 Jordach sfan5, Savant's Ultimate Tunes 20:14 PilzAdam I would get it, but pilztest doesnt have ladders... 20:14 Jordach renamed it :D 20:15 init lol sfq 20:15 init sfan5: * 20:15 sfan5 ^ how to not use tab 20:16 EvergreenTree Jordach, Au5 - Blossom, Eminence - Falling Stars, Tristam & Braken - Flight 20:16 EvergreenTree tab 20:16 EvergreenTree ^ not how to use tab 20:16 PilzAdam 20:16 PilzAdam ^ not how to use tab 20:16 Jordach Bananonymous FTW 20:16 PilzAdam (i.e. 4 spaces) 20:17 sfan5 EvergreenTree: are you looking at my soundcloud stream or what? 20:17 EvergreenTree No,just throwing some good tracks out there 20:18 EvergreenTree Nice to see someone who likes the same music as I do though 20:18 * Jordach wants to play Scrabble with EvergreenTree and sfan5 20:18 EvergreenTree ^ true dat 20:18 * sfan5 needs to prepare for an exam on friday 20:19 EvergreenTree Scrabble is one of my favorite board games 20:19 Jordach prepare for your examination! 20:19 EvergreenTree I once got 35 points for just putting "ye" 20:20 Jordach forums scrabble 20:20 Jordach your tiles will be PM'ed to you 20:21 Jordach anyone like RISK 20:21 PilzAdam Jordach, 68 posts 20:22 EvergreenTree Hmm, haven't played it much 20:24 EvergreenTree Email chess anyone? :D 20:24 sfan5 lol 20:24 sfan5 someone made chess in assembly for the pi 20:24 EvergreenTree Imagine mail chess... 20:24 sfan5 (bare-metal ofc) 20:24 sfan5 that is how I got the idea to write a C kernel for the pi 20:25 sfan5 NO SPOTIFY I DON'T WANT TO HEAR BF4 ADS! 20:27 EvergreenTree M-M-M-M-MANSLAUGHTER (Let's be Friends - Manslaughter (original mix)) 20:27 EvergreenTree Whoops, I mean (VIP mix) 20:28 sfan5 very ontopics discussion in #minetest .... 20:28 sfan5 -s 20:29 EvergreenTree Yep 20:29 EvergreenTree This is the channel for chit-chat though 20:29 sfan5 yeah 20:29 EvergreenTree -dev is for minetest development 20:37 init sfan5: was at droid 20:47 PilzAdam bye 21:29 ShadowNinja Baaad ISP, baaad. :-( 21:31 * TheLastProject hits ShadowNinja's ISP with a stick 21:32 * init hits ShadowNinja with a stick and runs 21:33 ShadowNinja !kick init /me hits back. ;-) 21:33 EvergreenTree init, .lua 21:34 ShadowNinja init: Auto-rejoin, a good way to get banned... 21:34 init i don't get kicked, normally 21:34 init ;) 21:35 Peacock dumb reason to kick anyhow 21:35 Peacock this place is soo lively we can hardly afford to lose any more warm bodies :P 21:36 * init puts Peacock's body in the freezer 21:37 Peacock i already have lousy circulation :P guess i shoulda thought of that before buying a touchscreen smartphone in a winter country lol 21:41 * sfan5 cuts the cable of the freezer Peacock is in 21:41 Peacock there are fish sticks in here 21:46 Peacock wait, those arent fishticks... omg, what did you guys do to cornernote?! 21:49 sfan5 D: 21:55 * EvergreenTree is learning how to use vim 21:56 Peacock apply on surface, use wet sponge to wipe excess 21:57 Menche stick with it. it took me a week or two to get used to vim 21:57 Menche now it's the only editor i use 21:57 Peacock that's a text editor right? 21:57 Menche ...yeah 21:57 Peacock what kind of text editor has a learning curve? lol 21:57 Menche a text editor with features. 21:58 Peacock gedit has features, didn't take me a week to learn lol 21:58 Menche vim is waay more powerful and efficient. 21:59 Peacock well its not the text editor that makes the code, it's the coder :P 22:01 EvergreenTree Peacock, vim has commands. Lots of commands 22:02 EvergreenTree It's a terminal application if you didn't know 22:02 Peacock ugh, terminal apps lol 22:02 Peacock sorry but i was using comps in the early 90s, no need to go back to that 22:16 TheLastProject EvergreenTree: VIM IS AWESOME 22:16 Peacock lemon pledge > vim 22:16 TheLastProject Pro-tip: Press "i" before you type, "esc" whenever you pause typing 22:17 TheLastProject Don't stay in input mode, you'll end up doing stupid stuf f:P 22:17 EvergreenTree well, obviously 22:17 TheLastProject Heh, wasn't so obvious for me 22:20 Peacock jesus christ, what is it with news outlets hiding the volume button and setting it to max 22:23 EvergreenTree Peacock, if you don't like terminal applications, try gvim 22:24 Peacock gtk frontend? 22:24 Menche yeah 22:24 Peacock worth a shot yeah 22:25 Menche it has added menus and toolbars, but it's still recommended to use commands the same way as the console version 22:25 Peacock i dont really get what the commands are for though 22:25 Menche so your fingers don't have to leave the home position on the keyboard 22:26 Peacock all i need is syntax highlighting, line numbers, bracket highlighting and decent color schemes 22:26 Menche gvim "desert" color scheme = awesome 22:26 Peacock i need light text on dark backgrounds otherwise = headaches lol 22:33 jojoa1997 hi 22:55 OldCoder Hi 22:56 jojoa1997 hi and bye 23:19 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest_game: Fix tree growing and jungle sapling growth rate 9fdbc1f407 2013-11-06T15:13:51-08:00 http://git.io/n7wQoQ 23:19 VanessaE hi all, back 23:20 VanessaE oh I better grab that