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00:00 Peacock i mean, thats why the linux kernel got done and i might not be alive to witness HURD 1.0 lol
00:00 Peacock stallman/FSF write way more speeches than code, whereas the open source people get shit done
00:01 Jordach will their tagline be: don't get separated from the HURD
00:01 Jordach you can translate that message to: please don't fork HURD
00:02 Peacock naw instead they try to tack-on GNU to linux even though they could have never done it (linux) themselves lol
00:04 Peacock though when you can't get shit done yourself the next best thing is to try to take credit for it lol
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00:20 john_minetest let's fork hurd and make our own OS out of it
00:24 Peacock i thinks theres already arch hurd
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00:31 john_minetest arch hurd is a hurd distro or something like that
00:31 john_minetest http://9gag.com/gag/aEwPB7O
00:34 Peacock i wonder if hurd comes with a complimentary jar of stallman toe jam lol
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00:49 VanessaE well debian just pissed me off for the last time
00:49 * VanessaE is downloading the latest Xubuntu
00:49 Peacock tried mint?
00:50 Peacock btw, what did it do? lol
00:50 VanessaE Don't really care for it
00:50 VanessaE Peacock: two words.  google earth.
00:50 Peacock not free enough?
00:50 VanessaE this multi-arch shit is just not gonna work out
00:50 VanessaE *buntu variants had this figured out 5 years ago
00:50 us_0gb WHat does Google Earth have to do with Debian?
00:50 VanessaE us_0gb: the fact that it can't be installed?
00:51 Peacock personally i think debian's removal of the collada plugin for blender to be ultra-retarded, so i run the blender version they offer on their own (blender) website
00:51 us_0gb That's odd. It seems like if it installs on *buntu, it'd install on Debian.
00:51 Peacock other way round ogb
00:51 Peacock ubuntu was conceived as a simpler version of debian
00:51 Peacock back in the day
00:51 us_0gb I see.
00:52 Peacock as in simpler to maintain and simpler to obtain non free shit without games like renaming firefox to iceweasel
00:53 us_0gb THere was a good reason for that. Firefox doesn't meet Debian's standards.
00:53 Peacock yeah but who gives a shit? they're an OS, not a PAC
00:54 Peacock and iceweasel is the same ducking thing lol the only thing it accomplishes is to confuse users looking for firefox
00:54 us_0gb It matters. THings that come with the OS need to meet the OS's standards.
00:54 us_0gb Firefox has some copyright issues.
00:54 VanessaE us_0gb: no, the iceweasel/firefox thing was a licensing issue over the firefox logo and the like.
00:54 us_0gb The change bypasses them.
00:54 Peacock and that's why most real people run debian derivatives instead of pure debian lol
00:54 VanessaE (a completely stupid argument either way)
00:55 Peacock over a logo? yeah
00:55 us_0gb I'm not for Debian in any way, but what they did makes perfect sense.
00:55 Peacock to think competent programmers would waste their time on such an issue
00:57 Peacock if what they did makes perfect sense, why are they the only distro to rename firefox?
00:57 us_0gb You don't see it as an issue, but it's a bigger deal than you give it credit for. License issues are the ugly side of programming and development. To NOT worry about it would be incompetent. That said, choosing to go with pure Firefox is a competent decision too, assuming thought was put into it.
00:57 us_0gb Peacock: Some others rename Firefox as well.
00:58 Peacock so why is it not an issue for every distribution that uses firefox?
00:58 us_0gb Abrowser, IceWeasel, and IceCat are all Firefoc variants.
00:58 Peacock (as firefox)
00:58 us_0gb *Firefox
00:58 Peacock did ubuntu and arch pay to use the firefox logo or what?
00:58 us_0gb THey choose to use pure Firefox. That's fine. But it's not the only competent option.
00:59 us_0gb No, they just choose to lock down the distro to comply with the copyright.
00:59 Peacock so they can use pure firefox, but debian & cie chose to make a political thing out of it, even though their job is to program/put together an OS lol
00:59 us_0gb Firefox cannot be sold. Therefore, any distro containing it cannot be sold.
01:00 us_0gb I believe there are a couple other issues as well.
01:00 Peacock i dont think any linux distro is in any danger of becoming a commercial success lol begware perhaps (donation), but commercial? doubt it
01:00 us_0gb Being commercial isn't the issue. Being ABLE to be commercial is.
01:01 Peacock to me and most pragmatic people, it's a non-issue, like alot of changes debian makes lol
01:01 us_0gb And you can use one of those other distributions then. More power to you.
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01:02 Peacock thats one thing i could never get, the fsf crowd want to retain the option of commercializing something, but place burdensome restrictions on developers, which seems to inhibit their own ability to commercialize their work, seems hypocritical to me lol
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01:02 Peacock but hey, at least i can sell mousepads lol
01:02 us_0gb Don't lump Debian in with us FSF folk, please.
01:03 Peacock true, the FSF is 2 or 3x the zealotry of debian, but debian could still use a move closer to the center, to say nothing of the FSF lol
01:04 us_0gb That's the great thing about the huge number of distributions available. We can keep our standards, and you can keep your "center".
01:04 us_0gb Everyone wins.
01:04 Peacock yeah but if the FSF knocks windows and mac users, i don't expect them to treat centrist linux distros any better
01:05 us_0gb And you don't seem to be treating us any better either. It goes both ways.
01:05 Peacock ever since i switched to linux i've been taking shit for running binary video drivers, and a few times it almost made me switch back to windows, lucky for linux back then the current windows version was ME lol
01:06 Peacock im sorry but i can't abide zealotry in any form, whether it's religion or software
01:06 us_0gb I apologize for that.
01:06 Peacock at least the jehova's only come at my door once a month lol
01:07 john_minetest OSS can't really become commercial. But support for it.
01:07 us_0gb A bit off topic, but I today found out one of my coworkers is a Jehovah's Witness.
01:07 john_minetest If you buy RedHat you get support for free.
01:07 Peacock example https://my.fsf.org/donate/windows7sins/
01:08 Peacock i wouldn't mind jehova's so much if i hadn't lived in some low-rent neighbourhoods the last few years
01:08 Peacock seems the more they think you're poor, the easier a target for conversion you should be lol
01:08 us_0gb That's understandable.
01:09 us_0gb (I mean about "<Peacock> i wouldn't mind jehova's so much if i hadn't lived in some low-rent neighbourhoods the last few years".)
01:09 john_minetest You should offer them blood sausage. They should not return.
01:09 john_minetest My religion teacher did it once :D
01:09 Peacock well the fact that they employ class profiling for their excursions should only make it worse, no?
01:10 john_minetest One thing that is very interesting about Jehovah's witness: They are extremely active. No other church sends people from door to door to talk about stuff.
01:10 Peacock and it also depends on geography, these religious type showed up at our door every two weeks growing up in ontario
01:11 john_minetest If normal religions would do it like that they would maybe have more followers.
01:11 us_0gb john_minetest: Mormans do. And they send you to other countries to do it.
01:11 Peacock even my parents who are 10x more polite than i am lost their cool with them lol
01:11 john_minetest Mormons are strange. There is a south park episode about it and it is ridiculous.
01:11 VanessaE ok, I'm off.  back in an hour or two
01:12 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06jF1EG8o-Q
01:12 us_0gb Peacock: Those religions types tend to be usaccepting of us non-heterosexuals. I tell them I'm asexual, and they're no longer interested in me. It makes life a little easier.
01:13 Peacock so i should offer the religious people a blowjob? lol
01:14 us_0gb THat might work.
01:15 Peacock well i always tend to troll them by saying all sorts of ridiculous shit
01:15 Peacock so that'd be worth trying out lol
01:15 kaeza trolls be trolled
01:16 Peacock though judging from the scandals of the last 20 years, they might just go for a blowjob lol
01:16 us_0gb What do you do if they take you up on the blowjob offer?
01:17 Peacock i'd have to ask for an obscene amount of money lol
01:17 Peacock the catholic church has plenty of money for all those paedophilia lawsuits though :/
01:18 us_0gb I actually found I have very similar beliefs as my coworker. Aside from, you know, him believing in a higher power and afterlife.
01:18 Peacock id rather believe in cyclical history and reincarnation, but i know that's about as believable as all the other fairy tales
01:19 Peacock so i accept that i have no fucking clue what will happen when i die
01:19 Peacock i believe in being surprised :P
01:19 us_0gb I would love to believe in reincarnation. I don't want to disappear forever when I die.
01:20 john_minetest yeah, reincarnation is a nice thing.
01:20 us_0gb Of course, it would be preferable to keep your memory in the new life, but maybe that's asking too much.
01:20 john_minetest Although you are not really "reborn" as in "you live again" but you can switch between different living beings depending on your karma.
01:21 us_0gb I see.
01:21 Peacock well even dreams are weird like that, they almost feel like alternate universes
01:21 us_0gb So there would still be an end then.
01:21 Peacock there isn't really an end or a beginning if the universe is infinite
01:21 us_0gb THinking of the end always makes me sad.
01:22 john_minetest me, too
01:22 us_0gb From what john_minetest said, from our perspective, it's all simultaneous, it seems. Meaning nothing after, as all our lives will seem to end at once.
01:23 us_0gb Assuming that is real.
01:23 john_minetest It is not really clear what happens in the end.
01:24 john_minetest Will we become ghosts, reincarnate, go to heaven/hell or simply disappear? Or are we stuck forever in the moment of our death?
01:24 us_0gb Any of those (besides disappearing) would be better than disappearing.
01:24 Peacock and time isn't 1-way
01:24 Peacock it's just that we can only travel one way on the 4th dimension (time)
01:24 Peacock though who knows? you could be reincarnated in the 17th century for all we know :P
01:24 Peacock from what i read, if the universe is infinite, then the pattern is bound to repeat, and they imply there's more than one Earth and You
01:25 john_minetest 1-way-time -> good point.
01:25 john_minetest There is a past, a present and a future.
01:25 john_minetest Maybe death unlocks that static type of thinking. We are everything at the same time.
01:26 john_minetest We are born while dying, we go to school and university at the same time.
01:26 john_minetest If we are drifting in space it doesn't matter since we are home at the same time.
01:26 Peacock well it seems scientist still aren't 100% sure what conscientiousness or dreams are, or why the laws of physics (ex. pi) are the way they are
01:26 john_minetest dreams...
01:27 us_0gb Some scientists theorize that our universe is nothing more than a simulation on a machine. If they prove that right, the implications would be huge. It would mean that there are things we can't find, but exist anyway. Like levels in a game, completely isolated.
01:27 john_minetest lucid dreaming seems kinda cool.
01:27 us_0gb Lucid dreaming is indeed fun.
01:27 john_minetest Dreaming and being able to control the dream.
01:27 Peacock my dreams are fucked up lol the reason i can't sleep much too lol
01:28 us_0gb I can't do it anymore, as I wake as soon as I realize it is a dream, but I used to do it on occasion.
01:28 john_minetest That would allow all kind of strange shit that is very hard to imagine in wake state
01:28 Peacock me the minute i realize im dreaming the dream gets 10x more fucked up lol
01:28 stormchaser3000 i have a lucid lunux
01:28 john_minetest I never realize that I am dreaming
01:28 stormchaser3000 iam running it right now
01:29 Peacock like you realize you're dreaming, and suddenly you can fly
01:29 stormchaser3000 i am running ubuntu 10.04
01:29 john_minetest There is that one science fiction story of the one guy waking up one day and flying.
01:29 john_minetest When I was younger I sometimes was able to fly in dreams.
01:30 john_minetest But now my dreams are all fucked up and I don't understand anything anymore.
01:30 Peacock ever seen The Lathe of Heaven?
01:30 john_minetest And... #Freud
01:30 us_0gb If you want to lucid dream, you need to learn to look for the signs of the dream state. For example, flip light switches when you pass them in the waking world. Once in the habit, you'll start to do it in dreams. But light switches don't usually work correctly in dreams.
01:30 Peacock speaking of Freud, a recent recurring dream is me walking around town in my underwear lol
01:31 Peacock naw for me lucid dreams kick in when i realize things don't make sense
01:31 john_minetest I sometimes have got half-lucid dreams. I can control the actions a bit but not much.
01:31 Peacock normally everything that happens in dreams feel 100%, though for me, 5% of the time i remember real life lol
01:32 us_0gb Exacly, when things don't makes sense. When you flip the switch and the light won't turn off, it makes no sense.
01:32 Peacock *feel 100% normal
01:32 Peacock well for me it's not specific things like switches
01:32 john_minetest Like it is normal when aliens attack my school. Hey, I just shoot back and the school looks completely different.
01:32 Peacock its like say, being back in Montreal, even though in the dream i know i left the city 3 years ago
01:33 us_0gb Switches are only one example, and an easy thing to look for.
01:33 john_minetest Lol, it is 2:33
01:33 Peacock this one dream, i was back in montreal, crossing the busiest bridge in Canada on foot, no cars, no signs of life, i knew i was dreaming
01:34 john_minetest Most dreams are just being dragged around.
01:34 Peacock well i have a dozen different dreams per night
01:34 john_minetest You can walk around a bit but limited and then you go down the slide, no matter if you want or not.
01:35 Peacock each of which feels like a full day or more of activity
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01:35 john_minetest Dreams with an extreme end are perfect to wake up.
01:35 john_minetest Falling down a cliff, hitting the ground an then - BAM - awake.
01:35 Peacock the most recurring dream is the one where im running away from some maniac and in the end i get dizzy and pass out, thats when i wake up lol
01:35 us_0gb Everyone has multiple dreams per night.
01:36 john_minetest But we can't remember them
01:36 us_0gb You usually only remember the one you wake during though ....
01:36 Peacock you usually remember the last dream or two
01:36 john_minetest We can train to remember our dreams
01:36 john_minetest Brain is complex.
01:37 Peacock i seriously wonder what it would be like to command 100% of our brain's faculties
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01:37 Peacock would we remember every detail of every dream, or would we not dream at all because the subconscious would be the same as the conscious?
01:37 john_minetest I think nearly everything in the human body can be fixed quite okay with science but the brain is something different. A knee can be fixed with a metal part - but a brain...
01:38 us_0gb Yet.
01:38 Peacock dunno if the scientists are full of shit, but they say we only use 10% of our brains lol
01:38 us_0gb It will be possible.
01:38 Peacock yet = millions more years of evolution
01:38 Peacock if we make it that far
01:39 Peacock i have doubts humanity will live to see the 22nd century lol
01:39 john_minetest Reminds me of matrix... Using 60 watts of human brain power to drive a simulation... So dumb. As if that was the only energy source. Those humen have to be fed and raised.
01:39 us_0gb Now that we have great medical technology, and save so many weaker people, we are actually not evolving in as positive of a direction any more.
01:40 Peacock medical technology is a bain so long as every human consumes as much as he does now
01:40 us_0gb More medical issues pop up now.
01:40 john_minetest Maybe we are too social.
01:40 Peacock *bain = bane
01:40 Peacock if people could live with less things, you could have more people
01:40 john_minetest What will happen when our brain becomes replacable?
01:40 Peacock but since people want more things, wanting more people doesn't help the environment
01:41 john_minetest I actually have a game planned in which replacable bodies with flashed brains are daily used.
01:41 us_0gb I'm not saying it's bad to save people, but we can't expect to advance physically. We need to focus on advancing our knowledge and technology instead.
01:41 Peacock naw, save the people that are alive, but for god's fucking sakes, stop them reproducing lol
01:41 john_minetest us_0gb: knowledge and technology -> in which way?
01:41 Peacock bring the pop down to 1-2 billion, maybe less
01:42 us_0gb john_minetest: For example, making medical technology even better.
01:42 john_minetest People are working on that.
01:42 us_0gb There are too many people, yes. It makes me glad to not be contributing to it, as I don't have children.
01:42 Peacock the OECD countries don't have a problem there, we're already not reproducing to replace each couple, but the rest of the world...
01:43 john_minetest Germany will die out one day.
01:43 john_minetest Population here decreases.
01:43 Peacock you nuts? Germany will be the EU one day
01:43 Peacock if not genetically then at least politically
01:43 us_0gb "EU"?
01:43 john_minetest overaging - people are up to 100 years old and there are no children to pay their rents.
01:43 Peacock European Union :P
01:44 us_0gb Ah. I saw "end user".
01:44 john_minetest *rents=pension
01:44 Peacock same problem in every western country :P too many people who found it too expensive to raise children in the west
01:44 Peacock or plainly people who didn't think it worthwhile to bring children into a world with so much conflict
01:45 john_minetest Nuclear war in Asia would maybe make it better - although it would have too many drawbacks.
01:45 us_0gb It's not a money issue for me, though I do delight in thinking of the money I'll save.
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01:45 Peacock i simply dont want to bring children into this world, aside from education costs, i dont want to think how much harder they'd have it trying to make a living considering i find it tough already
01:46 Peacock i'd have to cross my fingers and hope they'd want to be engineers, but if they don't, they might find it very hard indeed
01:46 john_minetest On the other hand: Who will pay your pension with their taxes?
01:47 Peacock I take it as a given that when i retire, there wont be a public pension system
01:47 john_minetest I don't think that population is a large problem in western countries
01:47 john_minetest Peacock: USA?
01:47 Peacock they're already talking about assited-suicide, which in 20 years will probably be compulsory lol
01:47 Peacock Canada :P which means apart from pensions we're also paying for healthcare
01:48 john_minetest Germany is paying for healthcare and stuff.
01:48 john_minetest But USA thinks that this is communism. But children shooting each other is freedom.
01:48 Peacock true, but on the flipside you also don't have a minimum wage, considering how many shitty jobs i've done to get by, i woudln't want to be there :/
01:49 john_minetest Imagine you get ill and lose your bad job - you have nothing in the USA. You simply die somewhere.
01:49 Peacock euros might be worth more than CDN$, but 3 euros/h is still worth less than 10$/CDN
01:50 Peacock thats why im glad im not an american :P
01:50 Peacock they can rule the world for all i care, so long as the hospital doesn't stick me for a huge bill in my country
01:51 john_minetest You get about 7€/h for basic jobs.
01:51 john_minetest 400€/month for normal jobs with schooling.
01:51 john_minetest As beginner.
01:52 john_minetest Religion -> Death -> Dreams -> Brain -> Healthcare ->wage
01:52 john_minetest perfect chain :P
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01:53 john_minetest One of the parties wants 8,50 €/h as minimum wage.
01:53 Peacock is 400 eu enough for rent?
01:54 john_minetest hmmm
01:54 john_minetest 200€ rent for cheap apartement
01:54 Peacock not too shabby
01:54 Peacock i pay 490 cad for downtown in a small city
01:55 john_minetest My brother is getting schooling and work at a german chocolate manufacturer now. Beginner wage 700€.
01:55 Peacock it's cheaper further out, but i'd need a car to get every thing done
01:55 Peacock you need schooling to work in factories?
01:55 john_minetest And free chocolate :D
01:56 Peacock jesus i have practically no schooling and have had 30 very different/varying jobs, from disgusting dishwasher to management lol
01:56 john_minetest They educate him so he gets free schooling in engineering stuff.
01:56 john_minetest I am in university now, studying computer science (well, the german equivalent)
01:56 Peacock well free schooling makes all the differences, schools are a business in NA and they don't necessarily tell you that there's no job waiting for you at the other end here
01:57 john_minetest Here you HAVE to inform yourself about possible jobs and stuff as part of the school.
01:58 Peacock though in quebec we had quite a bit of civil disturbances lately when they tried to increase rates for school, and the ruling party was voted out of power as aresult
01:58 john_minetest dum dum duuuuum
01:58 Peacock no one misses the anglo-mafia party (liberal) here lol
01:58 john_minetest :D
01:59 john_minetest It is 3:00 now
01:59 john_minetest I will maybe go to bed soon
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02:00 Peacock only 22 hours here
02:00 Peacock still 1 hour till lastcall
02:00 john_minetest 20 seconds til the last call, going hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!
02:01 john_minetest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfTDdqhMocU
02:01 Peacock well, last call at the retail is 23 hours, last call in bars is 3ams lol
02:01 john_minetest oh, wait, that was the wrong song
02:02 john_minetest the right one is "1901" from the same band.
02:02 Peacock http://youtu.be/r8hjtFq3vE0
02:02 john_minetest Listening to songs with my nice headphones... :)
02:03 Peacock or something more modern: http://hypem.com/track/1y5y1/Daft+Punk+feat.+Pan​da+Bear+-+Doin%27+It+Right+%28Solheiro+Remix%29
02:03 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzYcBcsnlxo
02:04 john_minetest I love "Phoenix". They got some extremely cool songs.
02:04 Peacock not exactly a music video hehe
02:04 Peacock is rammstein big at all in germany like it is here?
02:06 Peacock int'l selections tend to be weak in record stores
02:06 Peacock so unless you know what torrents you're looking for... lol
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02:07 john_minetest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BJDNw7o6so <- blocked in germany once worked... :(
02:08 john_minetest rammstein is quite famous.
02:08 john_minetest And germany has quite a lot of rappers-
02:09 Peacock rap? you're not serious lol
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02:10 john_minetest Sido, Kollegah, Bushido, Haftbefehl, Julien and many more.
02:10 john_minetest Of course also Samy Deluxe.
02:10 Peacock ugh, even in the 90s we always said rap is crap with a silent C
02:11 john_minetest And there are some famous raggae bands and some with hiphop.
02:11 Peacock meh, talk to me about rock or techno, not rap and raggae lol
02:11 Enke Hello.
02:12 john_minetest Peter fox, singer of SEEED, quite famous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPFY4-6cMZY
02:12 john_minetest Hi Enke
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02:12 Peacock considering all the gang violence in Canada in the last few years, no one wants to hear about rap here lol
02:12 Enke Just looking around today. What are we talking about?
02:13 john_minetest Peacock: Rammstein, Blind guardian, Van canto. Quite a lot of metal bands.
02:13 john_minetest Enke: German bands.
02:13 john_minetest Music in germany.
02:13 Enke Hmm. I know nothing about this topic.
02:13 Peacock where does van buren come from?
02:14 Peacock *Aarmin Van Buuren
02:15 Peacock ah, netherlands
02:16 john_minetest "van" is netherlands most of the time.
02:16 Peacock weird that Netherlands = Dutch people lol
02:17 Peacock though i guess Dutchland is too much like deutschland
02:17 Peacock *capital D
02:18 Enke Anybody know anything about the release date for 0.4.8?
02:18 Peacock yes, the rapture
02:19 Enke IIC, but seriously
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02:20 Peacock okay, ittl be releases when North Korea becomes a democracy XD
02:20 Peacock (hint: no one knows :P)
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02:20 Enke Yeah, I can tell.
02:20 Peacock the milestones sortof keep changing
02:20 Peacock depending on the bugs they wanna get fixed or the features they want finished
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02:21 Enke Mm hm.
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02:22 Peacock in any case, you can keep abreast with minetest-git
02:22 Peacock hell have two breasts with minetest git XD :P
02:23 Enke Sounds like a plan.
02:23 Peacock you could probably talk with someone more serious if it already wasn't late in the EST timezone :P
02:23 Peacock ANNNNNNNND he's gone lol
02:24 john_minetest_ going now. 3:30
02:24 john_minetest_ :P
02:24 Peacock nighty night
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02:31 * Peacock makes cupcakes
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02:48 * Peacock laces the cupcakes with rat poisom
02:48 * Peacock *poison
02:49 NakedFury vanilla cupcakes?
02:51 NakedFury nodecakes
02:51 Peacock vanilla rat-poison cupcakes :P
02:52 Peacock uber-tasty
02:52 NakedFury thats how minetest will be differentiated from other voxel games. we have cupcakes crafting
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02:59 * paramat is up late as usual
03:00 NakedFury im always up late
03:00 NakedFury are you guys doing well?
03:00 NakedFury or doing good? which ever version is the correct one
03:03 zat http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pe0uhKAEBi4/UUE​nHaK-IaI/AAAAAAAAC6Y/hKncNpLEGpQ/s1600/ho​ney-im-tired-come-to-bed-now-hold-on-some​one-is-being-wrong-on-the-internet.png
03:04 zat well that title is kind of ultraautoselfexplanatory.
03:04 NakedFury yeah
03:04 NakedFury thats the worst when linking images
03:04 NakedFury the title is a spoiler
03:04 paramat NF, thanks, im doing well good
03:07 NakedFury I should always ask. Its nice when someone asks how you are, even if they are internet faceless friends
03:08 paramat Peacock, what gravity do you intend for your 'deep space lol' asteroid field? ;) https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7224
03:10 NakedFury it would be nice if we could make gravity generator nodes which could make 2 different gravities in 1 area
03:10 NakedFury great for puzzles and space themed modes
03:11 paramat ... one problem with that mod is the jump velocity is not reduced far enough in asteroid type gravity, i need to make the jump programmable too
03:12 NakedFury in the recently new game Space Engineers (still in alpha) you use gravity generators and depending on the position you place them the gravity is different
03:12 NakedFury you can also have 2 at the same time on opposite sides cancelling each other. great fun just using them for a while
03:13 paramat NF, gravity is per player so you can set it to whatever depending on their co-ords
03:16 NakedFury http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vNvrV2jypgI/Ujbs1VQ​9ZzI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/vu6qthjrM-c/s400/gravity.png
03:16 NakedFury thats an example on the game
03:17 NakedFury in that game: A gravity generator has an effective radius of 150 meters. Gravity forces from multiple overlaying gravity generators aggregate.
03:20 NakedFury http://blog.marekrosa.org/2013/09/arti​ficial-gravity-in-space-engineers.html
03:20 NakedFury thats a good article on their decisions on gravity generator
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03:25 paramat > "overlaying gravity generators aggregate" thats cool
03:25 NakedFury it allows for crazy effects in game
03:26 paramat MT seems to be inherently one-direction-gravity ... which fits with the ancient flatworld cosmology
03:26 NakedFury yes
03:27 paramat despite that i want to gen somcubic planets with trees, grass etc. on the sides and bottom
03:27 NakedFury sorry to what?
03:27 NakedFury gen somcubic?
03:27 paramat somcubic = some cubic \o/
03:27 NakedFury oh
03:28 NakedFury http://www.wallpaperfo.com/thumbnails/detail/2​0120427/video%20games%20world%20minecraft%2040​96x3072%20wallpaper_www.wallpaperfo.com_94.jpg
03:28 NakedFury like in that picture
03:29 paramat gen somcubic lol
03:29 paramat yep like that
03:30 * paramat fixes food ...
03:30 NakedFury that would be great for space modes
03:30 NakedFury on the players perspective he is always looking normal not upside down?
03:39 paramat you would climb across the planet sides as if they were giant walls
03:39 us_0gb Good luck getting liquids to behave properly.
03:40 * paramat wonders if wuzzy is fuzzy ...
03:40 NakedFury man minecraft/minetest style games beg for Assassins Creed, Uncharted style wall climbing and movement style
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03:42 NakedFury crawling through 1x1 holes. hanging from ledges, climbing rocks, etc
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04:06 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116366#p116366
04:08 * kaeza has a sudden urge to punch his monitor
04:09 VanessaE now now
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04:13 gorilla hey kaeza. Whoops. Yeah that topic was a little old. :-)
04:13 pitriss Please can anyone help me with formspec? I'm trying to create some gui, but, some fields are not showing at all..
04:13 kaeza hey
04:18 kaeza pitriss, maybe you missed a ']' somewhere (or forgot to specify some parameter)
04:18 kaeza could you pastebin some code?
04:19 pitriss kaeza: of course.. http://pastebin.com/MVhSTK7Q
04:20 pitriss first label, those 3 fields for coords and button are showing properly
04:20 NakedFury who was it that wanted earth map in mintest? http://i.imgur.com/QylBmaJ.jpg
04:21 NakedFury minecraft earth 1:1500 scale
04:21 NakedFury http://www.planetminecraft.com/project/t​he-recreation-of-the-earth-11500-scale/
04:21 pitriss It is first time when i'm playing with formspec so, is highly possible that I made some stupid msitake somewhere
04:21 NakedFury Download size survival is 3.4GB, creative 1.4GB\
04:21 NakedFury damn!
04:22 kaeza pitriss, formcpec?
04:23 pitriss ahh
04:23 pitriss ty..
04:23 pitriss i should wake better and then start to code:D
04:24 kaeza np :P
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04:25 pitriss btw how i collect all data into one table from that?
04:26 kaeza depends; I'll assume that is part of a chat command
04:26 kaeza use minetest.register_on_player_receive_fields()
04:27 pitriss yes it is part of command..
04:29 pitriss kaeza: and formname is my variable with this formspec?
04:30 kaeza http://pastebin.com/XbDfUsZc
04:30 kaeza something like that should work
04:30 paramat ... real asteroids are in freefall so astronauts only feel their local asteroid's gravity, but in a MT realm with fixed asteroids,
04:31 paramat ... i assume the astronaut feels the combined gravity of the asteroid field
04:36 pitriss kaeza: thanks I think i get it:)
04:42 kaeza yw
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05:39 fairiestoy Good morning ( or so ). Anybody knows if entities that are frozen ( for example from the old mining laser ) in the world, still are a performance killer or just static objects that need diskspace. Since there are a few on my favourite server and i would like to know if they should be removed
05:45 VanessaE you can remove them with worldedit
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05:53 fairiestoy Even if they are not punchable?
05:54 reactor o/
05:54 fairiestoy I otherwise thought of /clearobjects ( or so ), but guess that would take out the server for a while
05:58 VanessaE yup
05:58 VanessaE you just have to enclose them between two markers and do  //clearobjects  with two slashes
06:01 fairiestoy Okay, will ask the admin then to do it. Will be busy for a while with that .__.  Thanks for the info
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06:10 pitriss please how i can do that formspec will close after pressing button?
06:10 fairiestoy pit; see pm ;P
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06:11 pitriss ok ty
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06:36 reactor Btw.
06:37 reactor Half-Life: Decay, anyone?
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06:55 reactor TheLastProject: what is your last project, exactly?
06:56 TheLastProject I need another nickname q.q
06:57 reactor Pwned.
06:57 TheLastProject It's not really "Pwned" it's "Oh God, please make the repetitive joke I've heard over and over for years stop by now, I'm sick of people's lack of originality"
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06:58 reactor Yes, sometime people's nicks are really repetitive.
06:59 reactor s/me/mes/
06:59 TheLastProject Purposely acting as if you're misunderstanding me doesn't make you appear smarter :P
07:00 kaeza reactor, somestime?
07:00 reactor s/mes/me
07:00 reactor s/me /mes /
07:00 reactor Are you satisfied now?
07:00 kaeza Pwned
07:00 reactor This is interesting. Would you like to talk about it?
07:02 reactor TheLastProject: that's a hell of an assumption.
07:03 reactor s/umption//
07:04 TheLastProject I have enough people hitting on me already, and so far, you're the least interesting candidate. Even though your flirting style is rather unique, it's definitely not my tast
07:04 TheLastProject *taste
07:04 reactor I'm not flirting with you.
07:06 TheLastProject Well, that makes you even less interesting
07:07 reactor I don't aim to be interesting.
07:07 TheLastProject Then what is your aim?
07:08 reactor I don't use AIM.
07:09 TheLastProject More of an ICQ fan?
07:09 reactor Meh, IM.
07:10 TheLastProject IRC is just IM as well
07:10 TheLastProject Although it existed before that term really got popular :P
07:11 reactor Well, technically yes.
07:13 reactor It's the earliest and the most standardised of them.
07:13 reactor There's a pictrure about standards on XKCD.
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08:28 sfan5 hi everyone
08:28 nore hi sfan5
08:29 nore sfan5, vanessae.mine.bz:30003
08:29 nore mg+technic server
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08:34 nore sfan5: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/​hobbies/minetest/images/MG_World_Map.png
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08:57 sfan5 nore: yes
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09:07 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Samhain! :-D
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09:52 reactor I got to make amends for my bad English.
09:53 reactor 13:02 < reactor> TheLastProject: that's a hell of an assumption.
09:54 reactor s/umption//, but also s/that's/you're/
09:54 reactor This is embarassing.
10:02 reactor Oh. He's not here.
10:02 reactor :(
10:08 reactor Matrixiumn: you still can not escape, Cave.
10:08 reactor We all know you've been accused in murder of at least one person. Or how else would you make GLaDOS?
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10:31 Evergreen Quick question for anyone who has built a computer:   What is a good priced (cheap) monitor I could use?   It doesn't have to be very large
10:32 Evergreen There is a salvage store for a university that I live close to, so I suppose I could find something there
10:34 reactor Evergreen: o/
10:34 reactor Evergreen: get an old CRT with analog-only controls.
10:34 reactor Will serve you ages.
10:35 reactor Or one of these 1280x1024 LCDs from early 2000s.
10:35 reactor I have one, and I only had to repair it once: bad capacitor.
10:35 Evergreen They have some pretty good stuff(the university specializes in electronics and engineering)
10:36 reactor Yes, look in the store.
10:36 reactor It's good they're selling old stuff at your place.
10:36 reactor My uni sends it all to disassembly/junkyard.
10:37 Evergreen My friend got a function generator for pretty cheap, maybe I could find some IBM model m keyboards there while I'm at it
10:38 reactor Function gens are useful.
10:38 Evergreen The same friend actually got a whole bunch of IBM keyboards from the same place a little while ago
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10:41 reactor john_minetest: o/
10:42 john_minetest Hello reactor. Hello everypony else.
10:42 reactor Mkay.
10:44 * Evergreen asks "How do I ask questions?"
10:44 nore !questions
10:44 MinetestBot someone thinks that your question is inaccurate or doesn't follow the guidelines. Read here how to make it right: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
10:44 nore Evergreen, ^
10:45 Evergreen Lol, I was just kidding
10:45 Evergreen I only did it because th titel of the channel is "Don't ask about asking questions"
10:46 Evergreen *the *title
10:46 reactor !slap
10:46 reactor !slap Evergreen
10:47 Evergreen More computer building questions:   What would a good mid price case be?
10:47 john_minetest Evergreen: The command !questions was added by me :D
10:47 reactor Evergreen: anything you find at that store
10:48 reactor Evergreen: try several, if you may, with power supply unit on. See if they resonate.
10:48 reactor If they do, do not buy.
10:48 john_minetest phonebloks is at the next level!!!
10:48 reactor Or try with a different PSU.
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10:52 nore do you know who made the windmills mod?
10:52 reactor Vanessa?
10:53 nore I have an idea: a mechanical power mod
10:53 nore you have energy, and axes and gear boxes to transmit the power
10:54 reactor By the way.
10:54 nore windmills and watermills to produce energy
10:54 nore and various machines
10:54 reactor Does car mod add only one kind of cars?
10:54 nore dunno
10:54 nore btw: anyone on vanessae.mine.bz:30003?
10:55 nore map: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/​hobbies/minetest/images/MG_World_Map.png
10:55 reactor Woah.
10:56 reactor I see what you did there.
10:56 nore ?
10:56 reactor Someone walked a long distance.
10:56 nore this is a technic+mg server...
10:56 reactor That's a griefing method.
10:56 nore (so mapgen is special)
10:57 nore that's why we had to explore a lot...
10:58 nore a question: what do you think of the size of the biomes?
10:58 nore too little? too big?
10:58 reactor idk
10:58 reactor Compared to real world, might be too small.
10:58 nore yeah, ofc
10:58 reactor But they're allright, I think.
10:58 nore except the map is only 32km large...
10:59 reactor 32km!
10:59 reactor Jesus H. Crist, that's a lot!
10:59 nore no, I mean
11:00 nore it is not possible to go further than +- 32000
11:01 nore the map here is 7x3.5km
11:02 reactor Oh.
11:02 reactor In general, or just on this server?
11:04 nore I mean, the picture is 7x3.5km
11:05 nore but the map itself is limited to 64x64km
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11:11 john_minetest Why?
11:11 john_minetest Leveldb could allow larger maps
11:12 nore no, problems are with Irrlicht
11:12 nore and the fact that we use s16 for positions
11:13 nore and doubles for player pos, etc
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11:13 nore so larger maps -> rewrite everything
11:18 john_minetest We have to use 1024 MB ints :P
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11:34 gorilla kaeza: Sorry about before. I was in a public library and I think the firewall on their WiFi kicked me out.
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11:46 Evergreen Hey Jordach
11:49 Jordach hello Evergreen
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11:57 Dan_D Hello,may i have some help with formspecs? I have this, but you can't do any 2x2 crafts in the 2x2 grid. Help? https://forum.minetest.net/
11:58 Dan_D I mean http://pastebin.com/K7k1LeKb
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12:01 Dan_D Unlesss minetestdoesn't support 2x2 crafting grids I suppose
12:03 gorilla Dan_D: I haven't looked at formspec for minetest, but I can't see anything obviously wrong with what you have done.
12:03 Dan_D Yes. It creates the formspec, but no crafts work in it, not even ones like torches that SHOULD work
12:03 Evergreen Dan_D, Do you know how many mods have made 2x2 crafting grids?
12:03 Dan_D Evergreen, this is for Realtest
12:03 Evergreen Ik
12:04 Dan_D And you can make the 3x3 tables
12:04 Evergreen Look at some other mods that do that, you could get some help from them
12:04 Dan_D But could you link me to a basic working 2x2 version?
12:04 Dan_D 'cause forum search just stinks
12:05 pitriss please how I can use this: https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1742 to read/save my custom log (not minetest.conf) ?
12:05 Evergreen Someone doesn't seem to like looking at the dv wiki, there is an example of 2x2 crafting right there:  http://dev.minetest.net/formspec
12:05 Dan_D Ok
12:06 gorilla Evergreen: I thought it would be there somewhere.
12:09 Dan_D Evergreen: Still won't work
12:10 Dan_D Even though I adjusted it to 2x2, crafts don't happen unless they are shapeless
12:10 Evergreen I can't really help you then
12:10 Dan_D The craft I want works fine in a 2x2 area on a 3x3 grid though
12:11 Evergreen Hmm, let me see If I can dig up a mod that can help you
12:11 Dan_D Thanks
12:11 Dan_D ALL I want is a 2x2 inventory grid, nothing else
12:12 gorilla Dan_D: try the following: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3275
12:12 Evergreen How about this:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5641
12:12 Dan_D That's the one i originally used
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12:13 Evergreen which one?
12:13 Dan_D I used gorilla's
12:13 Evergreen Try Blockmen's, it may work
12:13 gorilla okay.. it's getting a litle old. (12+ months)
12:13 Dan_D I will now
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12:22 Dan_D Ok,it finally works now.
12:23 Evergreen You're welcome.   ;)
12:23 nore it's fun to make giant biomes in mg...
12:23 nore you get impressive results
12:23 gorilla Dan_D: well done :-)
12:23 Dan_D Thanks
12:23 gorilla nore: giant biomes?
12:23 nore yeah... almost endless
12:24 * gorilla imagines something from Jack and the Beanstalk
12:24 nore (except with fast and fly, ofc)
12:24 pitriss please can someone help me with Settings interface? How I should start? config = Settings(filename) and then config:method() ?
12:25 nore if anyone wants to try: download mg, and change the 512 on the lines 430, 431, 433, 434 in 2048
12:26 Jordach that's noresome!
12:26 nore did you try it?
12:26 * gorilla groans at the bad pun but smirks anyway
12:27 Jordach ^ not reactor
12:28 kaeza mornings
12:28 nore hi kaeza
12:28 gorilla kaeza: hi
12:29 nore kaeza, did you try big biomes with mg?
12:29 kaeza not yet
12:29 nore there is however a drawback: a giant junge with range_all=1 == very bad for the FPS...
12:30 nore +l
12:30 pitriss Morning kaeza
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12:42 dafull97 hey guys
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12:51 dafull97 HEllo?
12:51 gorilla hi dafull97
12:52 dafull97 gorilla, are you a modder, admin... or somthing? =D
12:52 Exio4 can't people just play minetest here?
12:53 gorilla dafull97: In the minetest field, I'm a hack. Just started learning Lua. Why you ask?
12:53 dafull97 no, i just play minetest... i just like to know the people that do that stuff...
12:53 dafull97 i just like to know the people that mod and admin
12:54 gorilla dafull97: Ahhh. fair enough then :-)
12:54 dafull97 =) dont take offense to it... sorry if you did ... not the way i meant it
12:54 Evergreen Okay, I can pretty much list the devs:  sfan5 proller darkrose Pilzadam just to name a few
12:54 Exio4 you should wait a bit, it looks creppy to ask for what you do after 15 seconds of saying hi
12:54 * sfan5 puts a kitten on Evergreen's head
12:54 Exio4 you should try to anti-ping them
12:54 Evergreen Whoops, sorry.   :P
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12:55 Exio4 like $fan4, pro11er, dark0se, P1lzAdam, hnmmm
12:55 Exio4 idk
12:55 * Evergreen takes the kitten and puts it on his keyboard
12:55 Evergreen fjhgspj/h;kjw
12:55 * Evergreen TAKE THE KITTEN OF THE KEYBOARD
12:55 Evergreen Whoops, sorry aobut that, caps lock
12:56 dafull97 ya, i know most of them.....
12:56 gorilla You can't type with a kitten. :-)
12:56 Evergreen I don't know why caps lock even exists, it's just annoying
12:56 Evergreen just hold shift for heaven's sake
12:57 darkrose and thus, why it exists
12:57 gorilla Evergreen: It's historical really. I usually get to the point where I force some paper under the key to stop that problem.
12:57 pitriss Evergreen: there are some keys in czech layout which are more comfortable to write them with caps..:)
12:57 Exio4 gorilla: make it work like a mod key and use it for keybinds
12:57 Exio4 i actually use the caps lock like shift tho :P
12:58 Evergreen I 'spose that would work too
12:58 * darkrose uses caps quite a bit when writting macros, sql, and hex
12:59 Evergreen ^  For you it may be useful, for me it's just annoying
12:59 Exio4 uses and uses
12:59 Exio4 what is your use of the superl key?
12:59 pitriss I must repeat my question when Evergreen highlighted so many smart ppl:D
13:00 pitriss please can someone help me with Settings interface? How I should start? config = Settings(filename) and then config:method() ?
13:00 nore Evergreen, about caps lock, it allows me to type letters like É (Linux only, under Windows it does not work (there it is truly useless))
13:01 nore for explaination, the letter "é" is under the "2", so shift+é = 2, Caps Lock+é = É
13:01 Exio4 (nore (i guess you like (lisp-like (sentences))))
13:02 nore :p
13:02 gorilla Exio4: :-D
13:02 proller ё
13:02 darkrose also, left super = multi_key
13:02 Exio4 É
13:02 Exio4 É
13:03 proller Ё
13:03 kaeza Æ
13:03 pitriss Ú Ě Ý:D
13:03 Exio4 i can write it without using caps
13:03 nore hey there were only 2 levels of parentheses... (that's more fun when there are several (()))
13:03 kaeza (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
13:03 Exio4 Ŵ
13:03 nore Exio4, how?
13:04 Exio4 ' then shift+e
13:04 Exio4 É
13:04 Exio4 spanish keymap
13:04 * Exio4 goes back to us keymap :P
13:04 nore faster to type like that on french keymap
13:04 kaeza oh so you decided to switch :P
13:04 kaeza ah :(
13:04 Exio4 lol kaeza
13:04 nore ð
13:05 Exio4 ö
13:05 nore <-- Alt-gr + h
13:05 Exio4 ħ
13:05 kaeza ħ
13:05 nore ð
13:05 Exio4 @ł€¶ŧ←↓→øþæßðđŋħjĸł~«»¢“”nµ·
13:05 Exio4 there
13:05 nore âå€çþýûîô¶ÂøʱæðÛÎÔ¹«»©®ß¬
13:06 kaeza ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
13:07 Evergreen Who doesn't love alt codes?   :P
13:07 darkrose ¤°¤
13:09 ShadowNinja pitriss: Yep, make it local if you only need it in one file and put it in a table if you need it in more.
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13:10 pitriss ShadowNinja: and filename should be absolute path?
13:10 Jordach blender skills IV: http://i.imgur.com/dYAwEJ8.png
13:13 gorilla Good night all. I'm calling it a day.
13:16 ShadowNinja pitriss: I don't know, use minetest.get_modpath(modname) or minetest.get_worldpath() and concatenate the filename to the end of that.
13:17 ShadowNinja (Including the forward-slash)
13:18 pitriss yeah i used that with worldpath.. but im still getting : 14:17:28: ERROR[main]: ...2/minetest/bin/../games/test​ing/mods/multispawn/init.lua:7: attempt to call global 'Settings' (a nil value)
13:18 pitriss even when i have local config = Settings(config_file
13:18 pitriss in script
13:19 nore pitriss, you need a more recent Minetest version
13:20 ShadowNinja pitriss: You need a recent git version, look under unofficial builds at the download page(Or compile it yourself).
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13:22 pitriss Ah.. okay okay.. thats it.. I'm testing that on older build but i have also latest compiled:)
13:30 dafull97 what is the best server with the most features and least lag in you guys options?
13:30 dafull97 opinons*
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13:33 proller sky !
13:33 Jordach hell
13:33 Jordach !
13:34 kaeza midgard!
13:34 proller sky have real hell place with melting stone 8)
13:34 proller ^ unique feature free!
13:35 IceCraft hi
13:47 reactor Glass slabs would be a good idea.
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13:59 john_minetest http://superhotgame.com/
14:00 reactor ?!
14:00 kaeza "The Unity Web Player is not currently compatible with the operating system that you appear to be using."
14:01 kaeza :(
14:03 Jordach unity?!
14:03 Jordach WHO DAFUQ USES THAT POS
14:04 harrison which one? the Unity one? or the operating system?
14:06 TheLastProject AFAIK Unity only supports crappy OSses
14:06 TheLastProject So can only be one thing :3
14:07 harrison i suppose it is called Unity because political correctness
14:07 harrison mondialism
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14:07 TheLastProject If you put it that way, it is only ironic that it supports so little platforms and devides people
14:07 harrison leftist nonsense
14:08 harrison ubuntu + unity = ?
14:09 harrison swahili mondialist swinewash
14:10 harrison time for the velvet fist to discard the iron mitten
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14:57 Dan_D Can a moderator please move the Realtest revamped topic to the games section? Thanks.
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14:59 Dan_D Also, for some reason, when I click the fullscreen button the header in the Realtest game disappears, although the background stays.
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15:01 reactor Dan_D: because of you, they seized my archives.
15:02 reactor Dan_D: and neighbours were laughing at me.
15:03 kaeza Dan_D, moved
15:03 Dan_D Thanks!
15:03 kaeza you may want to add a few screens to show the new stuff
15:04 Dan_D Ok
15:04 Dan_D I am a shitty builder, fancy building something nice with the gaame?
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15:05 reactor Who?
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15:05 Jordach http://hostcabi.net/domain/minetest.net :D
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15:11 john_minetest http://hostcabi.net/hosting_infographic
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15:20 * Jordach has almost built minetest-classic with MSVC
15:21 john_minetest what is minetest-classic
15:21 Jordach a big ass fork of 0.3.x
15:21 john_minetest oh, that one
15:21 john_minetest should get a custom version of simple mobs
15:23 Jordach it's mt nostalgia without the stupid ideas :
15:23 Jordach :D
15:23 TheLastProject Where can I find minetest-classic?
15:24 Jordach http://minetest-classic.com
15:24 Jordach oh, and #minetest-classic if you didn't know
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15:43 proller http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abwIxwwRHKQ
15:43 TheLastProject !up minetest-classic.com
15:43 MinetestBot minetest-classic.com:30000 is up (753ms)
15:43 proller oops sorry
15:43 TheLastProject (Does that work?)
15:43 proller wrong channel
15:43 TheLastProject Hmm, okay, then it's my connection again
15:46 reactor Weird.
15:47 reactor My server hangs when clients connect.
15:47 reactor Clients other than mine.
15:48 Jordach reactor, does that mean your server is well hung :>
15:48 reactor Jordach: do you want to talk about your penis size?
15:48 reactor I'm all ears.
15:49 kaeza y so srs?
15:50 reactor Idk.
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16:03 Jordach john_minetest, avast doesnt shoot down the shit i compile
16:04 reactor Oh. I see.
16:04 reactor It was corrupted user profile.
16:04 reactor I deleted the profile, and the problem went away.
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16:05 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
16:05 reactor Hello PlizAdam.
16:05 Jordach hey Adam
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16:11 GNADev|zRokh hi
16:12 GNADev|zRokh ok, i need some advice on Copyright law... who could help me?
16:12 Jordach wikipedia
16:13 GNADev|zRokh not like that...
16:13 GNADev|zRokh can i patent a video game?
16:13 GNADev|zRokh i know it sounds dumb
16:13 GNADev|zRokh or do i only have to register it
16:14 reactor Patent a medicine.
16:14 GNADev|zRokh like "Steam is a registered trademark of the Valve corporation" and so on... i want to register the name of my game
16:14 reactor You want to patent Minetest, I get?
16:14 reactor Beware.
16:14 reactor It would be illegal.
16:15 GNADev|zRokh no, im not :D
16:15 GNADev|zRokh im makig a game
16:15 GNADev|zRokh and want to publish it
16:15 GNADev|zRokh but first i want to secure my behind
16:15 Jordach GNADev|zRokh, trademarks are what you need
16:16 GNADev|zRokh i know...
16:16 Jordach patents are things such as inventions that (duly) need protection from blatant copying
16:16 GNADev|zRokh yeah, like Sega patented the floating arrow in Racing games
16:16 TheLastProject GNADev|zRokh: Possibly #fsf
16:16 TheLastProject They know copyright stuff fairly well
16:17 TheLastProject But if you don't watch out they'll go all FOSS on you
16:17 GNADev|zRokh FOSS?
16:17 TheLastProject Whatever you do, do NOT use the term "Intellectual properly"
16:17 PilzAdam GNADev|zRokh, wrong channel
16:17 GNADev|zRokh dude, shut up!
16:17 TheLastProject GNADev|zRokh: Free Open Source Software (although they'll call it "Free Software")
16:18 TheLastProject Although I'm honest when I say that #fsf could probably explain you such stuff
16:18 TheLastProject They know a bit about patents and licenses and so
16:18 Jordach they'll explain it with texts that are GFDL :P
16:18 GNADev|zRokh srsly, im getting pretty fucking tired of you always telling me that, its just that i dont use much of other channels so i ask here first...
16:18 Jordach we are now the yellow channel
16:19 Exio4 they redirect you to a better channel for talking copyright
16:19 Jordach we aren't the IRC directory of FreeNode
16:19 Exio4 dude, deal with it, this is an offtopic chat
16:19 PilzAdam GNADev|zRokh, srsly, im gettting pretty fucking tired of you always asking offtopic things here
16:19 Exio4 mainly, and minetest support - rarely
16:19 GNADev|zRokh TLP, the game i want to publish on Desura will not be free, but it will not be expensive
16:19 pitriss PilzAdam: +1
16:19 GNADev|zRokh PilzAdam, plz... shut the fuck up
16:19 Jordach PilzAdam, +1
16:19 Exio4 we aren't forced to help you, are you paying for someone here to answer your answers?
16:20 GNADev|zRokh how much of the time am i here anyway?
16:20 pitriss GNADev|zRokh: please GTFO:)
16:20 Exio4 GNADev|zRokh: you should stfu first.
16:20 Jordach !stfu GNADev|zRokh
16:20 Jordach !mute GNADev|zRokh
16:20 MinetestBot GNADev|zRokh, someone thinks you need to shut the fuck up before you get muted.
16:20 PilzAdam GNADev|zRokh, too much
16:20 Exio4 hahaha
16:20 Exio4 bbl
16:20 PilzAdam Jordach, thx
16:20 pitriss nice shot:D
16:20 * Jordach high fives PilzAdam
16:20 PilzAdam o/\o
16:20 Exio4 headshot
16:21 Jordach +BOOM!
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16:37 rubenwardy Hi all
16:38 rubenwardy Where can I get a windows build for RBA's shader fork?
16:38 rubenwardy I heard sfan5 made one.
16:38 sfan5 yes I did
16:39 Jordach i can't make the shaders work :(
16:42 rubenwardy ?
16:43 rubenwardy Link please :P
16:43 rubenwardy Found it
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16:43 Jordach hmm?!
16:44 kaeza hmmm?!
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16:57 rubenwardy How do I get the shaders to work?
17:00 john_minetest Jordach: After the update avast now doesn't shoot down stuff anymore
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17:06 rubenwardy kaeza, I recommend that you move this to old mods: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3836
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17:30 Inocudom The servers are very empty today, and the new shaders are like a door that keeps running away from us (everything is, actually.)
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17:47 NekoGloop Wait, what's going on?
17:53 rubenwardy Life, the universe, and everything
17:55 reactor My system is, NekoGloop.
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18:06 VirtualFall Why minetest.net not using cloudflar?
18:07 TheLastProject PLEASE DON'T USE CLOUDFLARE
18:07 TheLastProject FOR ALL THAT IS HOLY IN THE WORLD
18:07 TheLastProject Cloudflare is a terrible thing
18:07 VirtualFall =-=
18:07 VirtualFall o-o
18:07 VirtualFall why....?
18:08 TheLastProject It has stopped me SO OFTEN from accessing a site just because I use Tor and then it wants me to fill in a stupid Captcha for which I need to run proprietary Javascript and gah
18:08 * TheLastProject runs to the Cloudflare office to flip over their servers
18:08 TheLastProject I just want to visit websites, I don't want it to be made so complicated q.q
18:09 Jordach s/office/datacentre
18:11 VirtualFall Idea: Minetest 2.0
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18:16 VirtualFall Why minetest is not populary?
18:17 Calinou because people don't like change?
18:17 Jordach people don't like OSS in general
18:18 Calinou ^
18:19 VirtualFall and why minetest is not in hd?
18:22 Calinou not in HD?
18:22 Calinou too late
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18:33 Evergreen Hi all
18:36 MinetestBot WELCOME TO YOUR DOOM!
18:38 Evergreen oh crap
18:39 Evergreen That isn't good
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18:42 Calinou hi Evergreen :)
18:43 Evergreen Someone should program minetestbot to greet certain people
18:43 Jordach Evergreen, http://i.imgur.com/jbT1eJ6.png
18:43 Jordach 18 hours later
18:43 Evergreen Wow, I like the cartoony lookbetter than the reealistic one acutally
18:44 Jordach borderlands ftw
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18:46 Jordach here's my current window in blender: http://i.imgur.com/sgInGI7.png
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19:53 reactor Fire is spreading unrealistically fast.
19:58 PilzAdam fire is unrealistically cubic
19:58 Jordach This gun is unrealistically awesome: http://i.imgur.com/gD6A5At.png
19:59 Jordach Evergreen, ^
19:59 Evergreen Saw it
19:59 Evergreen :D
19:59 Evergreen I have to go soon, I'll try my hand at some modeling when I get back
20:00 Evergreen cya guys
20:00 reactor Are there mods that add gore?
20:01 Jordach nope nope nope
20:03 Jordach !unmute GNADev|zRokh
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20:16 john_minetest <extremelybadwordplay> A politics mod would surely have Al GORE </extremelybadwordplay>
20:17 * Jordach slaps john_minetest
20:17 * MinetestBot counter slaps john_minetest
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20:30 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/fOTXn1j.jpg
20:30 Jordach plol
20:30 Jordach context; My thoughts when I heard Edward Snowden got a new job in Russia.
20:31 Jordach Uzi: http://i.imgur.com/vWrGaAv.png
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20:38 PilzAdam bye
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20:53 reactor But how come?
20:53 reactor Oh, also, what could be causing too short usable distance in the firearms mod?
20:54 ShadowNinja reactor: Nobody wants gore. You can code it yourself if you want it.
20:54 ShadowNinja kaeza: ^
20:54 reactor Like, rifle only hits people from not more than 10 metres.
20:56 Jordach reactor, loaded chunks can only have entities in them afaik
20:56 reactor Chunks are see are loaded, aren't they?
20:59 ShadowNinja reactor: No, not necessarily, the ServerMap and ClientMap are seperate.
20:59 reactor mk
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21:39 Jordach oh, and btw, http://i.imgur.com/hHDsCJH.png
21:39 Jordach ;)
21:39 * Jordach needs to master blender even more
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21:42 sfan5 Jordach: holy f**k
21:43 Jordach sfan5, hadn't seen the AK yet?
21:43 sfan5 NOPE
21:43 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116527#p116527
21:43 sfan5 nope*
21:43 Jordach i take one technical drawing, a blender, ???, render, results
21:44 sfan5 you need to add these to openspades..
21:44 sfan5 that'll look much better
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22:05 Peacock lol shit hit the fan in Toronto today
22:07 Peacock who knew the mayor would clean up the city by smoking all the crack in it? XD
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22:14 dafull97 hey
22:16 Peacock pretty dead again on here lol
22:17 Megaf nah
22:17 Megaf it is not
22:17 Megaf I cant play, firewall and NAT blocking =/
22:19 Peacock destroy them
22:21 VanessaE NAT won't stop you from reaching a server, but a firewall cam
22:22 VanessaE can*
22:22 VanessaE and if it is, well then fix it
22:23 sfan5 I shouldn'read the wikipedia article on cloud computing while the "cloud to butt" extension is enabled...
22:23 VanessaE heh
22:24 VanessaE http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/10/31/192322​0/gpus-keep-getting-faster-but-your-eyes-cant-tell
22:24 VanessaE BULL.
22:24 VanessaE SHIT.
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22:41 dante1234 hi all, trying "buildcraft" on my android tablet and I don't seem to be able to change the username etc.  Its like the enter key acts like a spacebar instead.  Any ideas?
22:42 dante1234 also this message comes up saying "Allow the user access" when I first start the program on my tablet.  ???
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22:42 Megaf I can not change firewall rules, University network...
22:43 Megaf Im using my 3G now
22:43 Miner_48er dante1234 are you looking for minecraft?
22:43 Megaf that is going to be quite laggy
22:44 VanessaE dante1234: there's still some bugs in uit
22:44 VanessaE Miner_48er: no, he means buildcraft - a port of Minetest to Android
22:44 Megaf folks, do you remember that Notch said that he would Open Minecrafts code when the 1.0 stable became available?
22:44 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7560
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22:45 Peacock notch says alot of things, notice he didn't finish that new game either
22:45 VanessaE dante1234: not being able to put text into the forms is a known bug.
22:45 VanessaE Megaf: well if you can't alter the firewall, tunnel through it :)
22:46 VanessaE that's what SSH and VNC are for :D
22:46 Megaf cant too, it seems like my domain is blocked here
22:46 VanessaE damn
22:46 fairiestoy Good ... eerm Night everybody. What are the exact headers for the routine implemented here: https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/blob/4e1f50035e860a00636ca5d804​c267119df99601/src/porting.h#L213
22:46 fairiestoy Argh nevermind
22:46 fairiestoy first read, then write, forget it guys
22:47 dante1234 VanessaE it is a MAJOR bug if you can't even play the game
22:47 VanessaE yeah I know
22:47 dante1234 How could they even release this thing in that condition???
22:47 Peacock android minetest?
22:48 VanessaE dante1234: it is not an officially-sanctioned port of Minetest - why they released it, no idea
22:48 VanessaE idk about the "allow access" issue though, I have not played it myself yet
22:48 VanessaE Peacock: yes
22:48 Peacock well its not like pc-minetest has always been 1--% either
22:48 Peacock *100%
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22:48 dante1234 Well, can i get rid of this and get my 3 dollars back?  What is google play policy on that?
22:49 Peacock god knows, i've never paid for an app, most of them are either fancy dressing for websites or flash games lol
22:49 VanessaE dante1234: you'll have to take it up with the guys who ported it - they are not a part of this Community.
22:50 VanessaE at least not yet
22:50 Peacock lol maybe they just like toget things done :P
22:50 Miner_48er dante1234 you could try this http://marktest.co.uk/2013/10/minetest-on-android/
22:50 VanessaE dante1234: I would recommend you file bug reports with the guys who made it and hang on to your existing copy - the porting authors may be willing to ship you a new apk with the bugs fixedl
22:51 Peacock they seem to make other ports for money too, so i doubt they're interested in being part of any 1 community
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22:51 VanessaE Miner_48er: he's playing with the client, not the server.
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22:54 dante1234 thought i saw PilzAdam
22:54 dante1234 s name listed
22:54 VanessaE nope
22:54 dante1234 trying it on my phone, maybe it is a nexus 10 tablet issue
22:55 dante1234 already wrote to google play.....asking for refund.  Unfortunately didnt get to them before 15 minutes was up....but hoping for the best.
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22:55 dante1234 His name is here under core developers
22:56 dante1234 along with sfan5
22:56 VanessaE that's because it's a port of the Minetest
22:56 VanessaE engine
22:56 dante1234 your name there too
22:56 VanessaE but it is not a *sanctioned* port as such
22:56 VanessaE in other words someone downloaded the Minetest source code, which already have everyone's names in there, and made it run on Android.
22:57 VanessaE in fact they took the credits tab out briefly, but put it back in at celeron55's behest
22:57 dante1234 i get that.
22:57 dante1234 because you see names you know in there.....i figured it would be a good thing.  Certainly not ready for prime time.
22:58 VanessaE yeah, I know
22:58 dante1234 That is such a HUGE bug....the damn thing doesnt work at all.  Whoever released it should be ashamed...and are giving the whole minetest a black eye through guilt by association....I know it is not you or anyone else's intent.  But hurts the credibility of the whole project.
22:59 VanessaE you should post this in the forum thread I linked to
22:59 VanessaE they need to see this
23:00 dante1234 which link?
23:00 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7560
23:01 kaeza evenings
23:01 VanessaE hey kaeza
23:01 john_minetest hi kaeza
23:01 john_minetest VanessaE: What is exactly about that android minetest? I don't want to read all backlog
23:03 dante1234 cant do a damn thing on it.  Cant enter username, or password, or IP or anything.  Totally does not work.  Major BUG
23:03 VanessaE john_minetest: short version:  it works I guess, but you can't enter any text into its formspecs.  It costs $3 and is available from Google Play.
23:03 Megaf about Notch Opening the source http://www.gamezone.com/news/2012/01/03/n​otch-releasing-minecraft-source-code-soon
23:03 VanessaE dante1234: tried the public server page on the menu?
23:04 VanessaE (the checkbox at the bottom in the Client tab)
23:04 VanessaE or wair
23:04 VanessaE or wait,
23:04 VanessaE the "Multiplayer" tab
23:04 VanessaE didn't realize this was based on an older version of the engine
23:05 dante1234 yes, and everytime I choose one, it says soemthign abotu username and password missing or soemthing like that
23:05 dante1234 does not work
23:05 VanessaE figures.
23:05 VanessaE most servers need passwords
23:06 VanessaE and many don't know the "GuestXXXX" convention.
23:06 dante1234 you cant edit or change anything....so basically its a piece of shit at this point
23:07 john_minetest Megaf: Wow, the source is released but you can't do anything with it. It's worthless.
23:12 dante1234 https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116553#p116553\
23:12 dante1234 My post on this
23:13 VanessaE that puts it pretty succinctly! ;E
23:13 VanessaE :D
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23:15 dante1234 phew, google play refunded my money
23:16 dante1234 Poor sorry bastards that released this should be ashamed!
23:16 VanessaE oh goo!
23:16 VanessaE good*
23:16 dante1234 I would gladly contribute monetarily to this project, but anything released to public has to work
23:16 VanessaE you need to post that.
23:16 dante1234 I will
23:16 VanessaE edit your message.  "EDIT:  Google refunded my money."
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23:19 dante1234 Oops, I posted reply...but it appears right below it....they'll get the message.
23:19 VanessaE good enough
23:20 kahrl seriously? the refund window is 15 minutes? whoa
23:20 kahrl after that time minetest is probably still downloading media...
23:24 john_minetest Especially on heavily modded servers with a mobile connection...
23:25 Peacock heavily modded servers: thats about all of them lol
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23:25 john_minetest Peacock: There is nostalgia server which is quite flat.
23:26 Peacock well my space game should be quite simple too, got the idea from playing mc classic
23:27 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-W0-D2hJZU
23:27 john_minetest Space game...
23:28 Peacock well basically hte whole map is asteroids, you got 7 ores but no plants
23:28 john_minetest Should have special liquid generated in which you drown.
23:28 john_minetest invisible liquid.
23:29 Peacock well technically in space the 'air' would have drowning on, then i'd need to make an oxygen node like the original air, and some way to generate it w/o an abm meltdown lol
23:30 john_minetest hmmm
23:30 Peacock air leaks are a problem too since they tend to fuck up the whole balance
23:30 john_minetest what you could do is building air generators.
23:31 john_minetest maybe coloring air blueish
23:31 john_minetest or withe
23:31 Peacock yeah well i figure like the powercells that have a wireless range, the airgens could have a range as well
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23:31 john_minetest *withe
23:31 john_minetest wite
23:31 Peacock *white
23:31 john_minetest white
23:31 Peacock :P
23:31 john_minetest lol
23:31 john_minetest going to bed now
23:32 john_minetest university again tomorrow :)
23:32 Peacock nity nite
23:33 john_minetest cya
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23:55 Peacock wtf, two papers just came out with articles predicting global cooling
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23:58 paramat that doesnt surprise me P
23:58 Peacock UK's daily mail and CDN. financial post
23:58 VanessaE cooling?
23:59 Peacock i shit you not: http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/10/31/​lawrence-solomon-a-global-cooling-consensus/
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23:59 Peacock http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti​cle-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Retur​n-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html
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