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00:11 john_minetest Uhrg... ugly homework
00:12 john_minetest I hate those exercises that are mostly about thinking long enough about them. I haven't the time to think about them...
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00:48 stormchaser3000 hi
00:56 stormchaser3000 menche?
00:56 stormchaser3000 are you there
00:57 stormchaser3000 can someone help me compile minetest-classic
00:57 stormchaser3000 noone is talking on #minetest-classic
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01:23 Evergreen To any core dev, I noticed a glitch with the mod selecting system in the configure world option
01:24 Evergreen when I select a modpack, go out of the world, and back in again, the modpack is disabled.    eg., on my test world I have worldedit and mesecons installed, but they deselect every time I re enter the world
01:24 Evergreen Yes, I know I could just use worldmods, but it is still a glitch, and needs to be fixed
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01:26 us}0gb Or move the "mods" out of the modpack and enable them. But only as a temporary fix, it is a bug that should be 'quashed.
01:26 Evergreen ^ like I said, can be avoided, but it needs to be squashed
01:27 us}0gb RIght, I agree.
01:28 Evergreen there are a lot of glitches like that
01:43 Evergreen gotta go
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02:21 pitriss please is possible to use sit animation from mod?
02:22 us}0gb Do you mean for players? No, not possible.
02:23 pitriss yes for players.. I found in technic game default that there is animation defined..  so I was wonder.. Thank you anyway
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05:26 caustic hello. what is the command to fly after privileges have been granted? (/grant singleplayer fly)
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05:29 VanessaE tap 'k'
05:29 VanessaE that toggles fly mode on/off
05:29 caustic less' see
05:29 caustic k it is :)
05:30 caustic MUCH thanks
05:30 caustic I did it while drunk on my computer but couldn't figure how to do it on my daughters
05:30 caustic I granted her the privilages...but couldn't remember what I did to turn it on!
05:31 VanessaE heh
05:34 caustic and how appropriate: K. her name is "Kaylin"
05:34 caustic beautiful :)
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05:35 caustic now...a less pressing question...I notice the "no_clip" privilege. does that work like the quake version I am familiar with where I can walk through walls?
05:36 VanessaE yes
05:36 VanessaE only effective while flying though -- when noclip is enabled, walls are solid
05:36 VanessaE er, when disabled.
05:36 VanessaE (to clip means to prevent passage)
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05:41 caustic what is the command to enable noclip?
05:41 VanessaE 'h'
05:41 caustic BOOM!
05:41 caustic you quick :)
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05:45 caustic i've been watching (just learned about) Epic Rap Battles of History and if there was a rap with you in it, you just WON!
05:45 caustic tytytytyty
05:45 VanessaE heh
05:45 VanessaE glad I could help
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07:46 nore hi Calinou
07:46 Calinou hi
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08:05 nore hi RealBadAngel
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08:05 RealBadAngel hi nore
08:05 nore you don't join #minetest-technic?
08:05 RealBadAngel i do
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09:21 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Orthopaedic Nurses Day! :-D
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09:33 encelade Bonjour, est-ce que quelqu'un parle français? j'ai un problème pour m'inscrire dans le forum. Je reçois le message que je suis bot :-(
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09:39 sfan5 encelade: more people will be able to help you if you use english
09:39 nore sfan5: I answered him
09:39 nore (pm)
09:43 encelade nore, je ne peux pas m'inscrire sur le forum
09:43 encelade il me dit que je suis bot
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09:49 encelade nore- je n'ai pas compris comment faire un message privé
09:55 RealBadAngel newsflash: http://i.imgur.com/9HDZcFN.png http://i.imgur.com/989US1D.png
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10:11 Dan_D Whatd o you think? Suggestions etc. https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116232#p116232
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10:17 RealBadAngel Dan_D, make game out of it
10:17 RealBadAngel with frag counter, teams etc
10:18 kaeza mornings
10:18 RealBadAngel howdy kaeza
10:21 sfan5 my ATtiny13 can do XTEA encryption faster than counting to 0xff
10:21 sfan5 I'm surprised
10:21 kaeza RealBadAngel, nice!
10:23 Dan_D Ok
10:23 Dan_D What about adapt the Capture the Flag mod and make a sort of player army vs player army game?
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10:55 Dan_D PilzAdam, what would I change in the throwing mod by you to stop the 'arrows' from falling, so they go in a straight line?
10:56 Dan_D Oh he'snot here
10:56 Dan_D Does anyone else know?
10:59 Dan_D Never mind found i
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11:23 RealBadAngel https://github.com/RealBad​Angel/minetest_GLSLshaders
11:23 RealBadAngel ive uploaded there branch with Paralax/steep Paralax mapping, water shaders
11:24 RealBadAngel this is WIP, with many bugs
11:24 RealBadAngel testers with suggestions, help in code are welcome
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11:32 proller RealBadAngel, why not forked? how to view diff to minetest ?
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12:17 kaeza pitriss, yes, you can enable sit animation, but it requires modifying/copying player.lua
12:17 kaeza (the default model has a sit animation)
12:18 kaeza s/sit/sitting/g
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12:24 pitriss kaeza: ohh:) i will look at this..:) I want to allow sit on LRfurn sofas:)
12:27 kaeza pitriss, the player animation API could use an overhaul; it is rather obscure, and leaks globals ;_;
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12:27 kaeza anso not really extensible per-se
12:27 kaeza also*
12:28 pitriss ah okay.. so better not mess with that?
12:28 kaeza just a rant :P
12:29 kaeza pitriss, also: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3977
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12:32 pitriss kaeza: hmm hmm thanks for link.. :)
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12:46 reactor o?
12:46 reactor I mean, o/
12:46 reactor Fucking shift.
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12:53 Dan_D Anyone here good with perlin/oregen?
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13:04 Dan_D Is paramat here in any form?
13:05 Evergreen Idk, but I doubt it
13:06 Dan_D Oh well
13:07 nore Dan_D, what do you want with oregen
13:07 nore ?
13:07 Dan_D Well, realtest game uses an old on_generated thing. I am trying to update it to do the same thing, but the new api,and so faster.I can't though, I am not familiar with perlin.
13:08 Dan_D In my fork I mean
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13:19 Dan_D Anyone?
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13:24 Dan_D Hello
13:24 Dan_D AGain
13:24 reactor Hello.
13:25 reactor Danny boy. May I have a look at some screenshots?
13:25 Dan_D ?
13:26 Dan_D Of what?
13:26 reactor Your fork?
13:27 Dan_D Ok
13:27 reactor I'm a fork collector.
13:27 reactor I like forks.
13:27 Dan_D Cutlery fork?
13:27 reactor Yes.
13:27 Dan_D Sorry, can'tright now
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13:28 reactor Did you know a fork makes a very good weapon?
13:28 reactor One punch - four holes, they say.
13:28 Dan_D Or 3 depending
13:28 reactor s/punch/stab/
13:28 kaeza or 2
13:28 Dan_D 2 ormore
13:28 reactor Yes. But generally, 4.
13:29 reactor But seriously, may I have a look at screenshots of your fork?
13:29 Dan_D No.
13:29 Dan_D I don't have a fork with me right now.
13:29 reactor The game fork, stupid.
13:29 Dan_D Ah
13:30 reactor I'm not really collecting forks, am I?
13:30 reactor :D
13:30 Dan_D Do you mean the sloooowww orgen code?
13:30 reactor ?!!
13:30 reactor Your game.
13:30 Dan_D Or a photoin-game
13:30 Dan_D So just a photo of the game?
13:30 reactor Yes.
13:30 reactor Some photos.
13:30 Dan_D Ok
13:30 Dan_D Be a moment making some nice uildin to picture
13:31 reactor Mkay. Query me when you're done.
13:34 reactor Sssssssssssssssssssss... BOOM!
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13:44 Dan_D Imgur etc is broken it seems, I can't load any of their webpaes
13:47 reactor Pwned.
13:47 reactor Dan_D: why don't you use something better?
13:47 reactor Set up a FTP server?
13:47 Dan_D ?
13:47 Dan_D FTP Server?
13:47 reactor Yes.
13:48 reactor Dan_D: what OS are you familiar with?
13:48 Dan_D None
13:48 reactor Huh?
13:48 Dan_D A tiny bit of Windows, a tiny bit of Linux
13:48 reactor Then how do you use your computer?
13:48 reactor Well.
13:48 Dan_D IDK
13:48 reactor Why don't you set up a FTP server there under Linux?
13:48 Dan_D I can't set up a server st my house btw
13:48 reactor What?
13:49 kaeza dropbox anyone?
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13:49 reactor You have no external number, Dan_D?
13:49 reactor kaeza: fuck cloud.
13:49 Dan_D Externalnumber?
13:49 reactor Network number.
13:49 Dan_D IDK
13:49 Dan_D How should I ko
13:49 kaeza reactor, hurr
13:49 reactor You have to have one if you want to host services.
13:50 Dan_D I cannot host at my house
13:50 TheLastProject reactor: You mean "IP address"?
13:50 reactor Oh.
13:50 reactor I do.
13:50 reactor Sorry.
13:50 Dan_D I am not allowed to port forward etc
13:50 reactor Dan_D: how come?
13:50 reactor Dan_D: who is responsible for networking there?
13:50 Dan_D I am not allowed to: Parents won't allow it
13:51 Dan_D I am simply not allowed,it would be a possible security risk that we won't ake.
13:51 reactor What OS are your parents familar with / what do they do for a living, just wondering?
13:51 Dan_D Why should I tell you?
13:51 reactor It's not exactly insecure if you take precautions.
13:51 Dan_D Windowsis the os btw
13:51 reactor Windows it a toy OS.
13:52 Dan_D And my dad told me that no, we will NOT host a server
13:52 reactor s/it/is/
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13:52 reactor I do, everyone does. but you don't.
13:52 Dan_D I have to ask permission toconnect someone else'scom[uter to our network
13:52 reactor This is weird.
13:53 Dan_D weird you mean
13:53 reactor But I'm curious, how much do your parents know about networking?
13:53 kaeza Dan_D, just use dropbox
13:53 Dan_D kaeza, how do I do that???
13:53 Dan_D Host a server on DropBox???
13:53 reactor No.
13:53 kaeza ...
13:53 reactor Just put files there.
13:53 reactor You're too lame to set up own server - use cloud.
13:53 Dan_D I already have dropbox
13:54 Dan_D I am not too lame, Idon't want another fucking row with my dad!
13:54 reactor Ugh.
13:54 Dan_D I don't see what Dropbox has to do with this/
13:54 reactor If your dad doesn't approve of your level of computer literacy, you are lame.
13:55 Dan_D What do you mean?
13:55 Dan_D Nothing to do wiht me
13:55 zat Oh god... you all are way so condescending when it comes to teach something to someone.
13:55 reactor If you weren't lame, you would be allowed to do stuff.
13:55 Dan_D My dad is a complete fucktardwho I hate
13:55 zat or well, reactor.
13:55 reactor Sorry, zat. I'm just trying to help him.
13:55 zat Doesnt look like that
13:56 Dan_D 'help him'  'you are lame.'
13:56 Dan_D ?
13:56 reactor And yes, I'm not very good at teaching.
13:56 zat looks like you want to look great next to a newbie
13:56 Dan_D That is not helpful
13:56 reactor zat: I don't. I'm fair, that's it.
13:56 Dan_D Go round calling me lame, just because I am not allowed to do something
13:56 reactor I'm lame at something, too.
13:56 zat that is your opinion on being fair
13:56 Dan_D Yeah, lameat life
13:56 zat Dan_D: what is the issue?
13:56 zat what do you want to accomplish?
13:56 Dan_D I amnot sure
13:57 zat describe it
13:57 Dan_D reactor started talking about something
13:57 Dan_D And I have no idea why or hat he wanted to accomplish
13:57 reactor ...said someone who doesn't know how to ask permission.
13:57 reactor Well. Just go on using dropbox.
13:57 zat I imagine it was about sharing files?
13:57 Dan_D No idea
13:57 reactor It was.
13:58 zat and the argument was........?
13:58 Dan_D He called melame
13:58 zat reactor: and what was the issue?
13:58 zat you seemed too inspired in calling him lame, reactor, it must have been something relevant
13:58 zat at least!
13:58 reactor I don't know. Him not knowing where to make files available.
13:59 Dan_D BTW I have /ignore reactor, and can't see anything he says
13:59 zat Dan_D: you have dropbox already?
13:59 reactor AND being confusing.
13:59 Dan_D Yes
13:59 zat you know how to share files in there?
13:59 reactor Dan_D: announcing ignores out loud usually means they're fake.
13:59 Dan_D Well, I know how to upload and copy the link
13:59 reactor Dan_D: why not do it then?
14:00 zat Dan_D: then you can share your files the same way.
14:00 Dan_D Yes
14:00 zat so what was the argument all about?
14:00 reactor But no, he will type a lot of bs.
14:00 zat I really don’t get it...
14:00 Dan_D I actually don't know
14:00 Dan_D I don't get it wither
14:00 reactor Me neither.
14:00 Dan_D He randomly statred taalking about dropbox hosting
14:00 Dan_D I don't know what context any of it was in
14:01 Dan_D He just started talking to me
14:01 reactor That is interesting. Please continue.
14:01 Dan_D Then started insulting me
14:01 Dan_D Probably a paedophile
14:01 Dan_D Oh well
14:02 reactor Do you know what a pedophile is?
14:02 zat Maybe because you thought kaeza meant hosting a server in Dropbox.
14:02 reactor Watch it.
14:02 Dan_D Yes, I thought thatbecause reactor started talking about something or other servers
14:02 Dan_D Then kaeza started on dropbox
14:02 Dan_D And I really don't know why
14:03 zat just a bit of confusion
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14:03 markveidemanis Hi
14:03 Dan_D Yes
14:03 markveidemanis I just finished half life 2!!!!
14:03 Dan_D What was he talking about?
14:03 reactor mrakveidemanis: o/
14:03 Dan_D Something 'bout ftp servers
14:03 markveidemanis Sadly i also downbloaded episodes one and two :P
14:03 zat and once again reactor finds the time to insult others because he doesn’t approve their “computer literacy” level.
14:03 Dan_D Probably
14:04 Dan_D I have himignored though so I can't see his stupidity
14:05 Dan_D Anyway, I only started using Linux a short while ago
14:05 zat what distro?
14:05 Dan_D Xubuntu
14:05 Dan_D I already tried, briefly, Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Lubuntu but none worked for me really.
14:05 zat worked what for?
14:05 Dan_D But I like Xubuntu
14:05 Dan_D The others were slow and crashy
14:06 Dan_D This is fast and uncrashy
14:06 zat Xubuntu is XFCE based right?
14:06 Dan_D Yep
14:06 zat Most issues actually have to do with their desktop environments.
14:06 Dan_D Ok
14:07 zat I can only imagine you are using rather old hardware.
14:07 zat is it?
14:07 Dan_D Netbook
14:07 Dan_D 32bit Netbook
14:07 zat that is why
14:07 Dan_D About 3 years old
14:07 Dan_D Can't afford anything bigger
14:07 zat depending on the netbook you can have issues with gnu/linux distros.
14:07 Dan_D Yes
14:07 Dan_D Ubuntu was the worst
14:07 Dan_D Yay
14:07 Dan_D Gone
14:08 zat Next to me, my girlfriend uses an all-in-one computer
14:08 Dan_D A what?
14:08 zat screen and computer all in one
14:08 zat just a big screen
14:08 Dan_D Never heard of them I don't think
14:08 TheLastProject Oh, those pieces of junk
14:08 zat it is based on an ATOM chipset so its specs are just like a netbook
14:08 TheLastProject A computer has a KEYBOARD, and possibly a MOUSE
14:08 TheLastProject If it does not, it's a TABLET
14:09 Dan_D gtg
14:09 zat TheLastProject: you plug a keyboard and a mouse to an allinone.
14:09 TheLastProject I dread the day they redefine it so much I end up getting a device without physical keyboard
14:09 TheLastProject How can people LIVE without a physical keyboard
14:09 TheLastProject HOW WILL I USE VIM
14:09 zat Not all people code...
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14:10 zat They can live without a physical keyboard the same way an average cellphone user can browse the web with it.
14:10 TheLastProject I can't browse the web with my phone
14:10 TheLastProject Dammit, it's so inconvenient
14:10 zat change the phone :)
14:10 TheLastProject How can people use a browser without vim hotkey support?
14:13 JackGruff TheLastProject, it's really easy, man, just like, go, click click click
14:14 * TheLastProject twitches
14:14 TheLastProject I want my input mode. I want to press "t" to enter "new tab" mode. "o" for "open" mode
14:14 TheLastProject q.q
14:15 zat Not the first time I see a “pro” complaining because not everything can be as complicated as they are used to
14:16 guard163 Hi all! I'm trying follow  this tutorial http://wiki.minetest.com/wik​i/Setting_up_a_server/Ubuntu. But apt cannot find repository  http://ppa.launchpad.net/minetestdevs/stable/​ubuntu/dists/wheezy/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
14:16 guard163
14:18 kaeza zat, what? how can pressing ESC C-a C-x C-w i-w-a-n-t-t-o-v-i-e-w-t-h-e-p-a-g-e SPC h-t-t-p ... be complicated? it's obviously simple!
14:19 TheLastProject Hey, hey
14:19 TheLastProject That's Emacs
14:19 TheLastProject I'm a vim person
14:19 TheLastProject Don't mix them up :|
14:20 kaeza aww my bad :|
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14:21 guard163 so anybody can help me?
14:21 zat :|
14:22 kaeza guard163, you could try compiling yourself; it's not that hard
14:25 FreeFull What kind of Emacs sequence starts with ESC?
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14:31 Dan_D Is anyone here capable of doing the ore update to my realtest fork?
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14:44 reactor Dan_D: because of you calling me a pedo, my ISP had disconnected me, and called me.
14:45 reactor Dan_D: I had to explain I am not. They're sending people to check it.
14:47 sfan5 Deluge uploads plugins in 1.0KB parts (over local network), WTF
14:47 reactor sfan5: do not use deluge. Eh.
14:47 sfan5 what should I use instead?
14:47 reactor I don't know.
14:47 reactor But if it's Deluge's problem, why not try something else?
14:48 sfan5 its pretty nice, but it annoys me that it does 1KB parts
14:48 reactor Dan_D: I'm not kidding. My machines are gonna be ripped apart because of you.
14:48 sfan5 wait forget what I said..
14:51 Evergreen Dan_D, Don't throw around phrases like that.   Only do so if you are sure of it
14:51 pitriss reactor: maybe we can call you also as bomb creator, then you can meet more interesting ppl:D
14:51 Dan_D ?
14:52 reactor pitriss: :(
14:52 Dan_D Evergreen,what phrase?
14:52 Evergreen what reactor just said
14:52 reactor pitriss: it's worse for pedos and people like that in prison.
14:52 Dan_D I have him blocked though, I unno what he just said
14:53 reactor Wonderful day. The migraine, that jerk, and now the police.
14:53 markveidemanis I think its time to stop, half life 2 episode 1, halfway through level two :P
14:53 Evergreen Dan_D, He has actual people coming over to rip apart his computer to see if he is a "pedo"
14:53 markveidemanis Is there a normal game, no action, just go to work, stuff
14:53 Dan_D Ok
14:53 Evergreen thanks to you
14:53 Evergreen that's what I mean
14:54 reactor I hope they just dump my filesystems and go away.
14:54 Dan_D Never meant it like that y'know
14:54 pitriss reactor: use tor or something like that to protect your privacy
14:54 Evergreen The government takes things like that seriously
14:54 reactor pitriss: I would have used if I'd known for advance he would call me that.
14:54 Dan_D And I wouldn't take his word for it
14:54 Dan_D What country is he in?
14:55 sfan5 good thing my irc connection is encrypted
14:55 reactor Russia.
14:55 sfan5 uh-oh
14:55 reactor Rotten place.
14:55 Evergreen That's why you should be careful what you say about other people
14:55 Evergreen He lives in russia he says
14:55 Evergreen huh boy
14:55 reactor Shit, shouldn't have said that. They'd probably cling on that, too.
14:55 Dan_D Mhm.
14:55 sfan5 heh
14:55 reactor s/d/ll/
14:55 reactor s/ll/d/
14:56 reactor s/'d/'ll/
14:56 sfan5 reactor: use encrypted connections
14:56 Evergreen I gotta go
14:56 pitriss sfan5: +1
14:56 sfan5 if possible use tor, even the nsa hates Tor
14:56 reactor sfan5: thank you. Let me fire up my time machine.
14:58 pitriss BTW guys is there posibility to store some kind of custom metadata for players? I want to write some multispawn mod and I need to store last used spawn for each player..
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14:58 kaeza pitriss, nope, you have to take care of that yourself :/
14:58 sfan5 I think we need an sqlite3 api available to mods
14:58 sfan5 since sqlite3 is in minetest anyway..
14:59 sfan5 would make storing things much easier
14:59 pitriss kaeza: ok, thank you anyway..
14:59 pitriss sfan5: yeah it will be good.
15:00 VanessaE hi all
15:00 reactor o/ VanessaE.
15:00 reactor They'd probably pardon me if Dan_D had taken his words back.
15:01 reactor And not tear my stuff down, and, more importantly, not touch me.
15:02 Dan_D VanessaE, would you add army to your server?
15:02 Dan_D TO replace the removed tbm mod?
15:02 Dan_D And also, VanessaE, you know the idea of realtest server? What about a creative one of that game, which no oregen, which is the thing that slowed it down?
15:03 VanessaE no, no, no and no.
15:03 Dan_D Ok
15:03 Dan_D Why not the creative realtest?
15:03 VanessaE and I did not remove TBM out of hate - I removed it because you forked and can't fix.
15:03 Dan_D Ok
15:03 Dan_D I thought it was anti-me hate
15:03 Dan_D Damn
15:04 reactor Shit. They're knocking.
15:04 Dan_D Why not the creative though?
15:04 reactor Should I just sit there?
15:04 VanessaE because realtest jut plain sucks, dan
15:04 Dan_D Also, can you rollback every action over the past 24 hours by me, on your survival server?
15:04 Dan_D And what is sucky?
15:04 VanessaE I'd advise you answer the door, lest you also want to pay for a new door too
15:05 Dan_D ?
15:05 Dan_D I queried you btw
15:05 VanessaE it sucks because it doesn't fucking work, that's why
15:05 Dan_D It does fucking work
15:05 VanessaE WHAT THE FUCK!?
15:05 Dan_D Just remove oregen and it works just fine
15:06 Dan_D Can you rollback past 24 hours?
15:06 Dan_D By me?
15:06 markveidemanis check out http://f.marktest.co.uk -- its sfan5's Simple Upload Service, i also made an article: http://marktest.co.uk/?p=495
15:06 reactor Anyone? What should I do?
15:06 Dan_D I thought you were hating me
15:06 reactor They're not going away!
15:06 Dan_D SO I did the grief D:
15:06 VanessaE done.
15:06 reactor They know I'm here, I don't want to open the door, because they WILL kill my stuff.
15:07 Dan_D Past 24 hours?
15:07 Dan_D Thanks
15:07 Dan_D 'cause I rlly rlly am sorry, I thought you hated me,that's what Rhys said.
15:07 VanessaE if I were a different person, dan, this would have been grounds for ban + discontinuation of your nostalgia server.
15:07 sfan5 reactor: drinking tea helps..
15:07 Dan_D Yep
15:08 Dan_D But you are you, a wonderful forgiving understanding person, an asset to thecommunity.
15:08 reactor sfan5: I've already had 2L of it.
15:08 VanessaE you're lucky rollback works  as well as it does.
15:08 Dan_D Yep
15:09 Dan_D And what is it that 'doesn't fucking work' about realtest?
15:09 Dan_D As I said, it works fine ifyou don'tegenerate ores, becuse they still use the old api
15:09 VanessaE Dan_D: I launch .....
15:10 VanessaE G*D DAMN HE IS IMPATIENT!
15:10 reactor sfan5: or serving tea to a squad that was going to stomp my guts out?
15:10 sfan5 problem solving skills of Atmel engenieers: http://i.imgur.com/AJj9fQ0.png
15:11 sfan5 reactor: yes
15:11 reactor sfan5: that'd be too humiliating.
15:11 reactor I can't be sorry for what I haven't done.
15:11 reactor sfan5: xD
15:12 reactor Shit. They're still not going away. They're shouting something.
15:12 sfan5 "If it doesn't work, don't do it"
15:12 reactor The nighbours might have joined them.
15:12 reactor s/nig/neig/
15:12 reactor s/might/must/
15:13 reactor Yes I hear the neighbours, as well. I'd always known they hated me, and wanted to see me getting in such situation.
15:13 markveidemanis sfan5: how's the privacy settings coming along?
15:14 sfan5 markveidemanis: still haven't found the bug
15:14 markveidemanis ok
15:14 markveidemanis Know any cool sites for python scripts?
15:14 markveidemanis I keep googleing
15:14 markveidemanis *googling?
15:14 sfan5 who do you need python scripts?
15:14 markveidemanis I need functional interfaces, irc, etcx
15:14 sfan5 why*
15:15 markveidemanis To review on my website
15:15 markveidemanis And to test and learn
15:16 markveidemanis Or in fact anything, web apps, games...
15:17 sfan5 well.. learn python
15:17 TheLastProject markveidemanis: If you want to review Python stuff, I have an IRC bot written in Python, but it's not really a script, it's around 4000 lines of code by now :P
15:17 TheLastProject And it's still in development
15:17 markveidemanis Ok, sure
15:17 markveidemanis can you use my upload site?
15:17 markveidemanis pastie has a limit
15:17 markveidemanis f.marktest.co.uk
15:18 ruskie markveidemanis, wouldn't supybot work well unough for irc etc...?
15:18 TheLastProject I figured the repository would work well: http://git.savannah.gnu.org​/cgit/triggerbot.git/tree/ :x
15:20 TheLastProject Unless you have some special reason to use that upload site but I can't think of anything and then I need to be careful to not leak development databases :P
15:24 sfan5 goddamnit my torrent is going at 10KB/s again..
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15:29 pitriss please did someone invented some quick way how to get distance of player from some spot on map? I don't want to re-invent a wheel:)
15:29 kaeza huh?
15:30 sfan5 pitriss: vector.distance
15:30 kaeza pitriss, pythagoras' theorem, or use vector.distance(p1, p2)
15:32 pitriss so vector.distance(coords1, coords2).. I guess coords are tables:) Thank you guys:)
15:32 pitriss and sorry for my noobish questions..:)
15:32 sfan5 tables like {x=1, y=0, z=7}
15:33 pitriss ok.. ty
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15:40 sfan5 data
15:40 sfan5 opps
15:40 sfan5 oops*
15:42 kaeza opps gangnam style!
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15:45 Evergreen Poor reactor, I hope nothing too bad happens to him
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16:06 nore sfan5, where was your code that deleted a block in the map?
16:07 sfan5 well...
16:07 sfan5 you do DELETE * FROM blocks WHERE pos=<blockpos>
16:07 nore you had a python code, hadn't you?
16:08 sfan5 blockpos can be got like this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/b​lob/master/util/minetestmapper.py#L88
16:08 sfan5 it is a 2 minute thing to write code that opens a database and does that
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16:34 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
16:34 reactor Hello PlizAdam.
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16:47 VanessaE hi adam
16:49 PilzAdam I got a response from CraigyDavi about the player model crash
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16:49 PilzAdam apparently the "model" paramater passed to player_update_visuals() is nil
16:50 PilzAdam I think it might happen when a player joins and player_step() runs before player_update_visuals()
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16:59 VanessaE ah
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17:00 VanessaE stu'd wield3d model has a similar problem, but it avoids the crashes with some extra sanity checks I guess, plus after() (which still doesn't work quite right)
17:00 VanessaE stu's*
17:01 VanessaE he has shit appearing in the world that should be attached to the player, but the player ain'
17:01 VanessaE ain't actually *there* yet when they join
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17:16 rubenwardy Hi all
17:16 rubenwardy Just downloading HL2 EP1!
17:16 rubenwardy and synenergy
17:17 reactor rubenwardy: "synergy" is a mod that allows co-op play, isn't it?
17:17 rubenwardy yeah
17:17 rubenwardy Will be done in a day :P
17:18 reactor Mk.
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17:30 kaeza explanation? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7574
17:31 kaeza I think he means that stereothingy thing
17:31 reactor So, they seized my archive disks.
17:36 rubenwardy see my responce
17:36 rubenwardy *se
17:37 reactor s/rubenwardy/I-don't-know-how-to-type/
17:39 Jordach reactor, dafuq
17:39 reactor Uh?
17:39 Jordach <reactor> So, they seized my archive disks.
17:40 Jordach PilzAdam, that report is legit -- he is asking for a build
17:40 Jordach i think you meant the one above
17:40 PilzAdam what?
17:41 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116281#p116281
17:41 reactor Jordach: long story... a dude called me a pedo. My ISP disconnected me and told me I was gonna face the police. They came over and seized most disks. Thank god they didn't rip my machines apart.
17:41 reactor It happened here.
17:41 rubenwardy paedo
17:41 rubenwardy paedo is latin for child!
17:42 reactor rubenwardy: the hell I would know.
17:42 PilzAdam Jordach, the one from mark.rojberg?
17:42 Jordach yes
17:42 Jordach you missed the report button by one post :P
17:42 * Jordach is going to the dangerzone
17:43 PilzAdam I dont understand you
17:43 Jordach PilzAdam, im updating my unstable build
17:44 kaeza rubenwardy, s/false/true/
17:44 rubenwardy heh?
17:45 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116306#p116306
17:45 rubenwardy donw
17:45 rubenwardy done
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17:46 VanessaE Sokomine: *poke*
17:47 Jordach reactor, GPG Key the *new* disks and destroy (i mean gutmann pass (35 writes) over the private key to unlock)
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17:50 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116310#p116310 ???
17:51 reactor Jordach: uh?
17:56 reactor Jordach: there's no guarantee they're returning the disks intact when they're done scanning them for the alleged "child porn".
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17:57 Megaf folks, few days ago I reported here and asked about the unban bug, that makes the server crash
17:57 Megaf then you said me to update
17:58 Megaf Im getting the minetest source code from github
17:58 Megaf the stable-0.4 branch
17:58 Megaf isnt that the latest?
17:58 PilzAdam its the latest stable, i.e. 0.4.7
17:58 PilzAdam so its not "updating" if you were using 0.4.7 before
17:58 Megaf ok, so the ubnan still broken in the stable
17:59 PilzAdam use the master branch, thats the latest dev version, where the /unban typo was fixed
18:00 Megaf PilzAdam, just one more question, cant I just fix that typo myself?
18:00 PilzAdam apply that patch: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commi​t/44053101840594e133886986d28e557bdfb57e8b
18:01 PilzAdam that would be the best solution if you prefer the stable release
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18:03 Inocudom Does anybody hear know about RealBadAngel's topic about him wanting people to test his new shaders?
18:04 Megaf not me
18:04 PilzAdam I wonder why he created a new repo for that
18:04 PilzAdam it makes it hard for everone to get the patch properly with git
18:10 Megaf ok, im building a new server
18:10 Inocudom His sun/moon retexture patch was not merged yet, perhaps for the same reason?
18:11 Inocudom It looks like somebody will have to make a Windows build of his fork if any testing is to be done.
18:13 reactor Windows.
18:13 reactor :(
18:13 Inocudom It is the only way, because proller will not. I repeat, WILL NOT merge RealBadAngel's fork into his.
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18:15 markveidemanis Hi
18:15 reactor Hi mrakveidemanis.
18:15 Inocudom Hello. Do you know about RealBadAngel's shaders branch?
18:15 reactor Do you know Dan_D, markveidemanis?
18:16 Inocudom Dan_D is a diligent modder for this community, worthy of utmost respect.
18:16 reactor Guess what. The police came over and seized my archives because of him calling me a pedo.
18:16 PilzAdam thx for the info troll
18:17 Inocudom RealBadAngel and his efforts are also worthy of utmost respect. Same with VanessaE.
18:17 markveidemanis I think so
18:17 kaeza no respect for me :(
18:18 Inocudom You should combine your wiki mod with your computers mod, kaeza.
18:18 kaeza too lazy :P
18:18 kaeza (I knew you would say that :P)
18:19 Megaf folks, can you give my test server a try? Just to see if you can join and build and stuff
18:20 Inocudom You might as well give those computers a purpose. The look of the wiki could depend on the computer. They could have sounds too.
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18:20 Inocudom You need to post in a forum the adress and port of the server.
18:21 Megaf why? We have IRC
18:22 kaeza so... what is the IP then?
18:22 Megaf its megaf.no-ip.info port 30002
18:22 Megaf im not online at the moment, im at my work now, cant play here...
18:22 kaeza !up megaf.no-ip.info 30002
18:22 MinetestBot megaf.no-ip.info:30002 is up (439ms)
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18:24 kaeza looks like it works
18:24 kaeza a bit laggy though
18:26 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7574 TIL: forum is a realtime chat
18:26 rubenwardy huh?
18:28 * Jordach grumps that merging posts isn't possible
18:32 * Jordach is pretty grumpy with RBA
18:32 Jordach yellow doesnt tint well
18:39 Megaf 16:35:18: ERROR[ServerThread]: Serverlist at url servers.minetest.net error (Timeout was reached)
18:43 VanessaE I get that from time to time also
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18:58 * Jordach is busy working on a different mod - it allows full player customisation, like Saints Row / GTA
18:58 Jordach all without relying on premade skins which need server restarts
19:00 Jordach PilzAdam, is it possible for this to work: texture = t1.png^t2.png^t3.png and so on
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19:02 Jordach because i know a way of doing so with a technical hack
19:05 Jordach hack = texture1.png^texture2.png (some definition here) texture = texture3.png^hack
19:06 Jordach bitch please, you can do it as a one liner
19:08 Inocudom What is it that you mean by full player customization? Different hair, different clothes? If that is the case, I think it would be easier if clothes were on a layer suspended above the skin just like hair is.
19:09 Inocudom This would make it easier to create things like dresses (much easier.) Plus, it would look more realistic and allow for changing skin color independent of clothes.
19:09 kaeza :|
19:11 Jordach Inocudom, http://i.imgur.com/MQ6G4Pt.png
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19:12 Jordach that's what i mean, a bunch of variables assigned to each player (loaded on join) which then creates a player texture (which happens to be the skin colour that player chose) and are overlaid without a need for any layers
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19:13 Jordach as you can see, my idea should (in theory) work
19:13 kaeza Jordach, it does
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19:14 Jordach sfan5, replace !proc message with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEtm_Q2LK9g
19:14 Jordach kaeza, thank fuck - that hacky idea is hacky :D
19:14 Inocudom So, that is how it works. I just thought that having another layer for clothes on the player model would make clothes look more like clothes.
19:15 kaeza Jordach, I already made something like that, if you want, I can share the code
19:15 Jordach kaeza, maybe
19:15 kaeza (I did not publish it yet)
19:15 Jordach some people might want to do it themselves
19:15 Inocudom Like the hair is an extra layer.
19:15 Jordach Inocudom, people like it as is, why make the model heavier and (slower(?))
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19:16 Inocudom As an extra type of model for those that want it then?
19:17 Inocudom There are a few modelers that could do something like that.
19:17 Jordach Inocudom, doubt it, even though i could do it PilzAdam will probably complain as the usual case
19:17 Jordach (as with the capes, he didn't bother)
19:17 Inocudom This could leave default for those that want it.
19:18 Inocudom Yes, capes would be an example of such a layer, except all around and on the limbs too. It would help if entities didn't cause such enormous lag.
19:20 Inocudom Yes, and I fear that he will complain about RealBadAngels shaders. You know that old saying that says people prefer normality over paradise.
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19:21 john_minetest Hello everypony.
19:21 Jordach OH SHIT
19:22 Jordach i might have realised the scope of the things my mod needs to do (expansions can be done afaik)
19:22 markveidemanis I want to do a review of something
19:22 Jordach RUN!
19:22 TheLastProject markveidemanis: Are you done yet or couldn't you get it to run/understand it? :P
19:22 markveidemanis ...
19:23 markveidemanis I err...
19:23 Megaf VanessaE, 156 mods in your server, wow
19:23 markveidemanis Too complex :P
19:23 TheLastProject Haha, don't worry
19:23 TheLastProject Heh, fair enough
19:23 Megaf I have 9 mods on my test server
19:23 markveidemanis I get confused...
19:23 Inocudom Do a review of the lulzpack mod (BlockForge.)
19:23 john_minetest Megaf: VanessaE's servers are heavy. But epic.
19:23 markveidemanis i got 15 mods...
19:24 john_minetest i got no server
19:24 markveidemanis Yeah you do
19:24 markveidemanis OC's are up
19:24 markveidemanis afaik
19:24 markveidemanis 30015. was it?
19:24 john_minetest markveidemanis: Oh, is it there again?
19:25 markveidemanis yop
19:25 markveidemanis He cant update mine atm so i cant play (refuse to play)
19:25 markveidemanis Its no fun without creative...
19:25 markveidemanis On a survival server...
19:25 markveidemanis POWER!!!
19:28 Megaf I wish I could change the maximum number of players on the fly
19:28 Megaf my server is totally full, so Id like to increase the number of allowed players...
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19:31 ShadowNinja Megaf: If it's full then any new players are going to get a very lag server and make everything worke for everyone else. Set the max to the maximum amount ou can handle without too much lag.
19:32 ShadowNinja +y X2
19:33 Megaf my server is know for not having much lag
19:34 Megaf however, I could have a better internet link
19:36 VanessaE my servers lag and have some fps issues, but they work well enough if people would just get latest git :)
19:37 Megaf I try to keep my server clean and optimized
19:37 Megaf even the linux kernel I compiled with minetest in mind
19:39 Inocudom Sfan5 made a build of RealBadAngel's shaders fork. People should test it and give feedback, but first the commands to turn on the shaders must be known.
19:44 PilzAdam Jordach, AFAIK you can overlay as many images as you want, but Im not sure
19:55 kaeza well, homedecor signs are able to display up to 144 characters (24x6), each character being a different texture
19:56 PilzAdam they use [combine, though
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19:57 Evergreen Hey everyone
19:58 VanessaE hi
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19:59 Evergreen Hey Calinou
20:00 Calinou hi
20:01 VanessaE hi
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20:14 Peacock "The Euro-flush: European Union to standardize toilets’ flush" you know you're in trouble when they start regulating your daily constitutionals lol
20:15 VanessaE heh
20:15 VanessaE probably standardize the water usage and so
20:15 VanessaE as for regularity...well that's what Metamucil is for :P
20:17 Evergreen Wuzzy is kind of like the wiki's ambassador, It's nice to have someone regularly updating the wiki
20:17 PilzAdam true that
20:17 Peacock i dont think they do that in Cdn., the last 4 apartmens had radically different thrones lol
20:18 Sokomine peacock: the general joke is more that it's regulated how much bananas are to be bended....
20:18 Peacock bended? lol
20:18 Calinou bent
20:18 VanessaE Sokomine: you have a pull request waiting :)
20:18 Sokomine moment please :-)
20:18 Peacock yeah but what does it mean bananas bended/bent
20:19 Sokomine a banana is usally more or less bent, isn't it?
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20:20 Sokomine there's a regulation on how much it's allowed to be bent in order to be sold as a banana
20:20 Peacock you're not serious? lol
20:20 VanessaE Peacock: I think she means regulating exactly how much curve the banana shall have, as if that's somehow possible to influence anyway :
20:20 Sokomine at least that's the joke. and it's perfectly possible that there's actually such a regulation
20:20 VanessaE :)
20:20 Sokomine ah. yes. curve describes it better
20:20 PilzAdam we had that for cucumbers
20:20 PilzAdam they have removed that regulation, though
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20:21 Peacock wow lol and i thought my gov't had alot of stupid regulations (like inter-provincial liquor sales)
20:21 Sokomine no, guess you can't beat germany/the eu on regulations
20:21 Peacock my father use to take me on liquor runs across the border in Ontario, i never understood why we needed so many blankets until i learned it was illegal lol
20:22 Peacock well i think eu regulations is Brussels not Germany?
20:22 PilzAdam also the EU advieses to eat pizza margharita hot
20:22 PilzAdam -e
20:22 * Sokomine takes pilzadams pizza for inspection
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20:24 Peacock good lord lol
20:25 Sokomine liquor...hm. we used to have something called "butterfahrt". busses carried people to the sea where they travelled on a large ship for a few hours (usually ferries to danmark or something) and could shop with less taxes
20:25 Peacock i wish Cdn. had better labour regulations, but when it comes to food, if/when i ran a restaurant, id like to run it my way and not be forced to offer the same thing as all the other guys lol
20:25 Sokomine hm, you can offer your own food. there are just lots of regulations about it
20:25 Peacock you know what butterfahrt sounds like in english right? :P
20:26 Sokomine no, not really. what does it sound like?
20:26 Peacock well in our case the Cornwall, Ont., was just an hour away from Montreal
20:26 PilzAdam my dictionary says "shopping excursion (by boat) to buy cheap/duty-free goods
20:26 PilzAdam +"
20:26 TheLastProject Peacock: I misread it as an English word first as well
20:26 Peacock butterfahrt sounds like, pardon the language, farting in butter lol
20:26 TheLastProject Was like "what the hell is wrong with this guy" for a bit
20:26 Sokomine butter is the milk product you put on bread (not that it was worth buying that on the ships...at least not when i was a child. probably a few decades earlier). and fahrt is...probably ride/journey
20:27 Sokomine or trip
20:27 Peacock so "butterfahrt" is like a trip to the grocery store
20:27 Sokomine :-)
20:28 Sokomine ok, pilzadam provided a better translation. mine was mostly literal
20:28 Peacock well english is a little more awkward, they call it "going to the grocery store" lol in french we say "faire nos commissions"
20:28 Peacock or "faire ma commande"
20:28 Sokomine more like a one-day lasting journey, involving a ride on a ship
20:29 Peacock must have to buy a lot of booze to make it worthwhile
20:29 PilzAdam Sokomine, actually thats from /usr/share/trans/de-en
20:29 Sokomine strange that it's in there :-)
20:29 PilzAdam D: "Minetest" isnt
20:30 Sokomine i don't think those trips are offered anymore. even when i was on one such trip as a child it was hardly worth it. probably for those people buying liquor and cigarettes...i wasn't intrested in that
20:30 Peacock i tried that on google translate when you asked for a new name to pilzcraft, google gave me Minetest -> minetest (english to german) lol
20:30 Sokomine pilzadam: file a bug report :)
20:30 Sokomine those trips where extremly cheap
20:31 Peacock well when gas prices went up in the 90's it got cheaper to buy liquor in-province
20:32 Peacock and with CETA it should get even cheaper now
20:32 Peacock (Canada/EU trade deal)
20:32 Peacock hopefully we'll get some real imported beer instead of the fake stuff they make here and label imported
20:32 Sokomine beer...that's what we've got lots of
20:33 PilzAdam I recommend Beck's export beer
20:33 Peacock we have Beck, but like i said, its not the same recipe as what my sister had on her trip
20:34 john_minetest German beer is good.
20:34 PilzAdam ohai john_minetest
20:34 Peacock Anglo-Canadian/American beer tastes like pisswater, though Quebec microbrew is usually pretty good
20:35 Peacock i had a nice collection of glasses from my fav. microbrew until the wife got her hands on em lol
20:36 john_minetest PilzAdam: ohai back to you
20:36 Sokomine can't say much on that. when i drink beer, it's usually in the form of radler (half beer, half soft drink). very refreshing on hot days
20:36 john_minetest I heard the worse "beer"(when you can call it "beer") is root beer.
20:36 Peacock soft drink and beer? seems odd to me, though my wife did that when she first met me (hated beer lol)
20:36 Sokomine hm, lemonade?
20:36 Peacock oh juice
20:36 PilzAdam Sokomine, "radler"? are you from the south?
20:36 Peacock i thought you meant soft drink as in fizzy
20:37 Peacock coke and beer, or sprite and beer lol
20:37 Sokomine no, but my father is. it would be alsterwasser here
20:37 Sokomine not really sprite or coke but something in that direction...
20:37 PilzAdam if you order an "alster" in the south you get it with fanta instead of sprite
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20:38 Peacock fanta = coca cola
20:38 john_minetest a coke is called "cola" in germany :D
20:38 dante123 !up minetest.info.tm
20:39 PilzAdam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radler
20:39 MinetestBot minetest.info.tm:30000 seems to be down
20:39 Peacock english: cola, soda, pop
20:40 Peacock french: liqueur,
20:40 Peacock though in french liqueur also doubles as alcohol liqueur (the syrupy stuff)
20:40 Peacock creme de menthe, etc.
20:41 PilzAdam OMFG!!!
20:41 PilzAdam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Beer
20:41 PilzAdam wikipedia has a BEER PORTAL!
20:42 Peacock lol nice
20:42 markveidemanis walk into the portal... good portal
20:43 Peacock vanessae you'll like this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Wine
20:43 Sokomine oh, hm. that's what wikipedia says on the lemonade used: German-style lemonade (not American-style lemonade, but sparkling lemon soda, similar but not identical to Sprite or 7 Up
20:43 Sokomine and yes...it's diffrent from cola or fanta. very diffrent
20:43 Peacock well we have both the fizzy and unfizzy lemonade, though they dont taste much the same
20:43 VanessaE heh
20:44 Peacock Oooo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Coffee
20:44 Sokomine :-)
20:44 PilzAdam Sokomine, dont they just use sprite?
20:45 Sokomine don't think so. it's usually some pretty normal citrus lemonade
20:45 Jordach oh god, is PilzAdam being social
20:45 Sokomine perhaps they do in some restaurants
20:45 Peacock well if understand my histories, fanta was a subsidiary create by coca cola in the 30s, they i dont know if they're still a subsidiary now
20:45 Sokomine like currywurst or other items...in some regions you never know what you'll get exactly
20:45 Calinou they still are part of the coca cola company
20:45 Peacock jordach were talking about beer lol
20:45 * Jordach challenges everyone to the Vindaloo challenge
20:45 Calinou beer sucks
20:46 PilzAdam Jordach, hide!
20:46 Calinou Vindaloo?
20:46 Calinou that's a known name :o
20:46 Jordach Calinou, eat a full vindaloo and enjoy the next day
20:46 Jordach >:D
20:46 VanessaE mmm vindaloo
20:46 Peacock vindaloo = english takeout?
20:46 Jordach <- has survived
20:46 Calinou what's that?
20:46 Jordach Calinou, insanely hot curry
20:46 Sokomine what's a vindaloo?
20:46 Peacock calinou what about wine?
20:46 VanessaE it's an indian dish made with chicken or pork, but it isn't always hoty
20:46 VanessaE -y
20:46 Sokomine ah
20:46 Jordach VanessaE, it's always hot here
20:47 Jordach we brits love the heat
20:47 Jordach </fact>
20:47 Peacock last time i ate idian i had a reaction from the ghee lol
20:47 Calinou alcohol sucks
20:47 Calinou the end
20:47 Jordach tell that to my JD bottle
20:47 VanessaE Jordach: I used to have Indian neighbors, they made some of it once, shared a bowl with me. good stuff
20:47 Jordach VanessaE, it's lethal over here :P
20:47 VanessaE heh
20:47 Sokomine hm, yes, indian. i'm considering to try that out once. we mostly have greek, italian, chinese here
20:48 Peacock alcohol rules: political debate drinking games are fun, pick a keyword politician like to use and be wasted within an hour lol
20:48 Jordach i've spent many an hour paying for it in the bathroom
20:48 Calinou lol, I never eat such stuff
20:48 Jordach i should stop with the spices
20:48 Jordach although im no longer full of shit :>
20:49 Peacock jordach on indian food: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JflBDN_98os :P
20:49 Jordach oh
20:49 Jordach i thought it was that spicy insanity i dropped in my pot noodle
20:50 Sokomine peacock: er...just enjoy your drink and have a nice meal with it. no drinking games
20:50 Jordach http://imgur.com/gallery/gIzmbBf
20:50 Jordach PLOL
20:51 Peacock meal usually comes after :P in the cold of winter i dont get terribly hungry otherwise
20:52 Peacock seriously lol i've lost 10lbs since fall came lol
20:53 PilzAdam "lbs"
20:53 Peacock pounds
20:53 * Jordach tests latest shaders
20:53 Calinou kg ftw
20:53 Jordach and let's see the performance DROP THE BAS
20:53 Jordach BASS*
20:53 Peacock not crazy about measuring people in kg's and meters lol
20:54 Jordach <- 92.6 KG
20:54 dante123 when i run !up it says server down, but i think it is accessible using minetest.info.tm (but not sure if doing it from my own network works, but not for others).  Can someone try getting into my server using minetest.info.tm please?
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20:54 Jordach (my younger brother weighs 10kg more)
20:54 PilzAdam Peacock, just use SI and everyone is fine
20:55 dante123 and is there a way to make blocks unmovable/destroyable by other users?
20:55 Inocudom Sokomine, are you aware of this? https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116246#p116246
20:55 PilzAdam if !up says its down then its not reachable by others
20:55 PilzAdam ^ dante123
20:55 Sokomine question: how can merge conflicts with git be solved? solving them manually is no problem - but how do i convince git that i did solve it and that what's in my local repro now is what i wish to have?
20:56 Peacock have no idea what SI is lol
20:56 VanessaE SI == inches
20:56 PilzAdam Sokomine, git add the files
20:56 PilzAdam VanessaE, ummm.... no?
20:56 dante123 PilzAdam so i might be able to reach it on my own local network using minetest.info.tm but others wouldnt be able to?
20:56 Inocudom https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116246#p116246 This topic was made by RealBadAngel today.
20:57 Sokomine inocudom: yes, i read the posting but am a bit reluctant as far as shaders go. they where too much for my old hardware. now they seem to work and i've activated them since a couple of days ago. everything...seems slightly more blurry than before. i'm not certain which effect i like more
20:57 Sokomine (my gpu is that one which is inside a celeron G1620)
20:58 PilzAdam Inocudom, its funny how RBA posts something, makes the code very hard to get and then doesnt explain how to use it /  attaches wrong images to it
20:58 Sokomine pilzadam: just git add is enough? sounds well
20:58 VanessaE oh, though it was.
20:58 VanessaE wtf do I know :)
20:58 Inocudom How did you activate parallax mapping? What is the command?
20:58 PilzAdam Sokomine, when did the conflicts happen?
20:58 PilzAdam during merge or reabse?
20:58 Sokomine merged a pull request with the command the mail suggested
20:58 Sokomine during merge. one digit was diffrent in the init.lua
20:58 Jordach Sokomine, what are the commands
20:59 PilzAdam Sokomine, hmmm.. IIRC you have to git commit then
20:59 Sokomine git pull https://github.com/VanessaE/windmill master
21:00 Jordach PilzAdam, how do i enable the shaders? shaders are checked (the box)
21:00 Sokomine that gave me the merge conflict and showed in init.lua what was diffrent. it's a merge conflict that can easily be sorted out manually. just need a way to tell git that. so just re-adding init.lua manually ought to be enough? then it will be merged correctly?
21:00 PilzAdam Jordach, have you read my post?
21:00 Jordach which one
21:00 Inocudom Are you referring to RealBadAngel's shaders Jordach?
21:00 Jordach Inocudom, yes
21:00 PilzAdam Sokomine, yes, after git add you need to git commit, that completes the merge then
21:00 Calinou Sokomine: didn't you have a G1610? :P
21:01 PilzAdam Jordach, the one where I ask RBA how to enable the shaders
21:01 PilzAdam Im going to sleep; bye
21:07 Jordach hm, might have to grep the source on this one
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21:11 Jordach hello there https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest_G​LSLshaders/blob/master/src/shader.cpp#L764
21:13 Jordach Calinou, worked out the shaders yet?
21:13 Calinou no
21:14 Jordach damn
21:14 Jordach this is just like technic
21:14 Jordach difficult to get started with, and doesnt often work
21:15 * Jordach turns to ShadowNinja
21:18 VanessaE enable_bumpmapping = true
21:18 VanessaE that's one of the controls.
21:18 VanessaE probably enable_parallaxmapping = true for the other one
21:20 Sokomine pilzadam: you're right - it's a 1610
21:20 VanessaE Sokomine: you missed
21:21 Sokomine what did i miss?
21:21 VanessaE [10-30 17:02] <PilzAdam> Im going to sleep; bye
21:21 VanessaE [10-30 17:02] * PilzAdam has quit (Quit: PilzAdam.shutdown())
21:22 Sokomine ah. ok :-)
21:22 Sokomine seems his solution for the merge conflict did work - adding the init.lua plus a commit message and committing worked fine
21:23 Calinou you mean Calinou?
21:23 Calinou Sokomine: I asked :P
21:23 Calinou I gtg, night
21:24 Sokomine what did you ask?
21:24 Sokomine aaah. ok
21:24 Sokomine ought to have looked more closely :-)
21:24 Sokomine calinou: hm, you where the one with the really good hardware?
21:25 Calinou yes
21:25 Calinou "really good", in 2013 standards there is way better
21:25 Calinou but between all the active members here I guess I have the fastest PC :p
21:25 Calinou except xyz
21:26 Sokomine ok. hope to get redcrabs world ready to upload soon (at least what i captured with sfan5s modification). it would be intresting to find out how much you can load without experiencing problems
21:26 Calinou (he has a 3930K (6 core with HT) + 670 (25% faster than 570))
21:26 Sokomine ok. pretty high-end then
21:27 Sokomine mt will bring even your fps down :) (under certain circumstances)
21:27 Sokomine but i guess you'll be able to see more of the world than i do
21:27 Sokomine hope someone who can also do a video for youtube catches intrest. way more can be seen if the world is run locally
21:29 Calinou I know how to record but without sound :<
21:29 Calinou except using in-game tools but Minetest doesn't have one
21:29 Sokomine sound...there wouldn't be much sound when flying around the world and showing what's there. perhaps someone can dub it
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21:30 Sokomine hi sapier
21:30 sapier @ALL developers please rebase all pull requests until 1st november 2013 if you want them to have a chance to be merged in this weekends pull merge session ;-)
21:30 Calinou there wouldn't, yes
21:30 sapier hello
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21:33 Sokomine pull merge session...sounds good :-) so there's some chance of 0.4.8 in the near future? that would be fine for those who still stick with the stable version
21:33 sapier no guarantee but I still keep pushing to that direction
21:35 sapier but don't be disapointed if a pull is tagged to be added in 0.4.9 that's a quite real option in order to get 0.4.8 completed this year
21:43 ShadowNinja Jordach: Hmmm?
21:46 Peacock this year? lol so it could be another two months
21:46 sapier this year is a optimistic guess ;-P
21:47 sapier there may be some issues to be fixed for 0.4.8 noone has even bothered to create a pull request by now
21:47 Peacock meh, i dont really mind, id rather have a more bug-free 0.4.8 in two months than a rushed release anyhow
21:48 sapier that's my opinion too
21:49 VanessaE agreed
21:57 Evergreen agreed, also rebased my pull request on minetest_game (I think)
21:58 Evergreen VanessaE, I think your 6d facedir implementation should be merged, probably will make my pull request obsolete though
21:58 Evergreen Then I guess I'll just update it.   :P
22:06 VanessaE wasn't there a special drawtype that renders an object the way it looks when wielded?
22:06 VanessaE like how mobf used to get 3d models before we had real ones?
22:06 sapier nodebox?
22:06 VanessaE no, not that
22:06 VanessaE I mean how you used to turn them into entities
22:06 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Yes, "weilditem" I beleive.
22:06 sapier that have been sprites
22:07 sapier you can specify multiple views for them
22:07 VanessaE ShadowNinja: I wanna try something >:-)
22:08 VanessaE hm
22:08 VanessaE no, that won't work.
22:09 VanessaE ShadowNinja: remember the idea I had about stacking up a bunch of thin nodeboxes to create a pseudo-3d-extruded node?  It depends on getting visual_scale support in that drawtype.  I was about to try doing it with the wielditem draw type, but I guess that can't be animated.
22:10 ShadowNinja VanessaE: drawtype = "mesh"?
22:10 VanessaE I'm trying to come up with a way, however hacky, to create a 3d, larger-than-one-node waterwheel but make it a real node.  Like the windmills, but thick.
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22:11 VanessaE no, definitely not with an entity.
22:11 VanessaE guess it's not possible without splitting the texture across multiple nodes :-/
22:11 ShadowNinja Well then, why were you asking about entity drawtypes. ;-)
22:11 VanessaE because I was confused :)
22:12 sapier what's wrong with entity anyway? I once implemented doors that way
22:12 VanessaE sapier: two words:  entity duplication.
22:13 VanessaE (four more: I don't grok Blender)
22:13 sapier a bug that needs to be fixed anyway is not an excuse ;-)
22:15 Evergreen Entities are still buggy and unstable atm, so it's not good for things being made right now.   If all the problems are fixed however...
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22:19 Peacock you could make an entity out of a nodebox if only you could spin it on the right axis (z) for the windmill effect
22:20 VanessaE meh
22:20 VanessaE I'll wait until some more appropriate method presents itself
22:20 ShadowNinja I dislike using entities because you have to spawn and despawn them properl.
22:20 ShadowNinja +y
22:20 Peacock well there's no alternative way to animate node themselves (by animate i dont mean textures)
22:21 Peacock otherwise you could just make 1 giant nodebox of a wind mill and spin it
22:21 sapier if you want a mill to do something on its own except beeing nice you need a entity
22:21 Peacock i guess that would be a 0.5.0 milestone type thing - node velocity and 3 axis spin
22:22 Evergreen Question:   In the tables for dig times in tool registration, does 1.60 mean 1.60 seconds?
22:23 sapier I don't think that nodes will be animatable anytime soon as you need to attach a model to a node which isn't possible right now
22:23 Peacock sapier yeah but can you ajust yaw/spin on the z axis even with an entity?
22:23 sapier you can do any animation with a entity
22:23 Peacock with a mesh entity
22:23 sapier yes
22:24 Peacock though i like to avoid blender if the nodebox is simple enough to do lol
22:24 Peacock so there ya go V, get someone to make an animated mesh of the mill
22:24 sapier you need a mesh if you don't want to implement animation code a second time within minetest engine
22:24 Peacock well we're talking about spin here
22:25 VanessaE sapier: https://github.com/Sokomine/windmill
22:25 Peacock my turrets were nodeboxes as entities and i simply did +0.01 to yaw on step for rotation
22:25 VanessaE with recent git, signlike can be expanded past 1 node without textures being tiled....and they can be animted.
22:25 VanessaE animated*
22:25 VanessaE that's how we did the windmills
22:25 VanessaE I wanna do the same with nodeboxes by placing a whole bunch of 2d nodeboxes side by side, effectively extruding the image
22:26 VanessaE they'd still animated
22:26 VanessaE -d
22:26 john_minetest VanessaE: Is this mod on any of your servers?
22:26 VanessaE the issue is making them *big* enough
22:26 VanessaE john_minetest: survival, creative, and I think MG
22:26 john_minetest cool, gonna check it out
22:26 Peacock signlike is flat though
22:26 VanessaE though the servers need a restart to bring in a couple of minor bugfixe
22:26 VanessaE s
22:26 Evergreen Question again since no one answered:   In the tables for dig times in tool registration, does 1.60 mean 1.60 seconds?
22:27 VanessaE (servers restarted)
22:28 sapier interesting .... I didn't know about that feature of minetest by now :-)
22:28 VanessaE Peacock: yes.  but if you make a bunch of 2d nodeboxes, e.g. several {nodebox tables}, each of which has the same Z coord for each pair, they'll all get the same image on their facea
22:28 VanessaE faces
22:28 VanessaE and the result will look like it's one big extruded node
22:28 VanessaE by exploiting the fact that the engine always projects the same image onto all faces that point the same direction, regardless of their depth
22:29 VanessaE that can be done right now as long as the result is 1x1x1m or smaller
22:29 VanessaE so with a visual_scale tweak like what was done with signs, the result could be larger than 1x1x1m
22:30 Peacock what is a winnetou? (https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116348#p116348)
22:31 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f8V1QSf7yg
22:31 VanessaE no clue
22:32 john_minetest Peacockwhat is a winnetou? (https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=116348#p116348) -> what?
22:32 VanessaE "So, no branches, sorry Winnetou."
22:32 john_minetest oh
22:32 john_minetest yeah
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22:33 VanessaE NekoGloop: someone on the other channel asked about a MC-like "damaging cactus" mod.  Do you still have the one you did?
22:34 NekoGloop I thought you had a back-up?
22:34 NekoGloop If not, it shouldn't be that hard to code.
22:34 VanessaE I don't think so, no
22:34 VanessaE nope, don't have uit
22:34 VanessaE it*
22:35 john_minetest There should be  a modpack that allows minetest being as close to minecraft as possible.
22:36 john_minetest and we have to do a halloween special
22:36 NekoGloop I can't even remember what I called it.
22:36 kaeza VanessaE, NekoGloop, http://mods.minetest.ru/cactusmod/
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22:37 VanessaE *downloads it*
22:37 luizrpgluiz hello
22:37 NekoGloop wait
22:37 NekoGloop that might be pilz's shitty version
22:37 VanessaE abm-based
22:38 VanessaE no nodebox needles
22:38 NekoGloop That would be mine
22:38 Peacock ah, wikipedia has the answer: Karl May's "Winnetou" novels symbolize, to some extent, a romantic desire for a simpler life in close contact with nature. In fact, the popularity of the series is due in large part to the ability of the stories to tantalize fantasies many Europeans had and have for this more untamed environment.
22:38 VanessaE no credits
22:38 NekoGloop Well, I'm looking at the code.
22:38 NekoGloop It's mine.
22:38 VanessaE pl
22:38 VanessaE ok
22:39 VanessaE do I deploy it or wait for you to rewrite it with the aforementioned missing needles? :)
22:39 kaeza there are quite a lot of old mods there
22:39 NekoGloop I'm going to rewrite it, but not with needles
22:39 kaeza even Peacock's (?) hydrophonics mod :)
22:39 luizrpgluiz hello peoples
22:39 kaeza or however you spell that
22:40 kaeza hi luizrpgluiz
22:40 Peacock where are there old mods?
22:40 VanessaE MC (or the mod for it) has needles sticking out, though they're probably best done by making the cactus slighly smaller and using a swastika-shaped nodebox layout
22:41 john_minetest cool, https://github.com/RealBad​Angel/minetest_GLSLshaders
22:41 kaeza Peacock, http://mods.minetest.ru/
22:41 VanessaE one flat nodebox per side, textured so that only the center 95% or so is cactus, the rest is needles sticking outward from the edge
22:41 NekoGloop If i was going to do it the way MC does it, I'd need to re-create the textures
22:41 NekoGloop Too lazy.
22:41 VanessaE and textures for the top/bottom done the same way
22:42 VanessaE done the usual way I mean
22:42 VanessaE (but smaller)
22:42 john_minetest I want to have minetest with RBA's GLSL shaders... But I only have got a crap OS without proper compiler...
22:42 NekoGloop I'm just going to make a simple lil nodebox
22:42 VanessaE result looks identical to MC but a tad smaller I guess
22:42 NekoGloop MC's cactus is less than one block in size
22:42 VanessaE it is?
22:42 Peacock figured they'd log everything lol
22:42 VanessaE well hell we can make ours identical easily then
22:43 NekoGloop and only hurts when inside the space between the "block" of the cactus and the border of the blockspace
22:43 VanessaE john_minetest: sfan5 has a build for it.
22:43 VanessaE NekoGloop: you mean the actual space taken up by the needles?
22:43 NekoGloop Well, yes.
22:43 VanessaE that makes sense.
22:43 Peacock blockspace wow, thats an anagram for blockscape lol
22:44 VanessaE too bad there's no way to make a custom collision box :-/
22:44 NekoGloop get_objects_inside_radius
22:44 VanessaE that's a thought
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22:44 NekoGloop that's how mine works currently
22:44 VanessaE actual collision box = the center "block" part of the cactus, the rest = the needle space..
22:44 VanessaE sounds good to me
22:45 sapier yes but sounds quite costly too
22:45 NekoGloop Well, I'm definitely not making a texture
22:45 NekoGloop sapier, an abm only set to fire every, oh, i don't know, 2 seconds with a chance of 2?
22:45 sapier depends on number of cactus nodes are there
22:46 VanessaE abms are cheap enough that even firing off every second is fine if your checks for nearby players are fast enough
22:46 NekoGloop Pffft
22:46 NekoGloop this still uses minetest.env
22:46 VanessaE sapier: easy:  cactus with desert sand as the neighbor.
22:46 sapier are they still cheep if you do a get objects in radius in there? ;_)
22:46 VanessaE then it'll only ever trigger for the cactus root
22:46 sapier so you can stand on top of a cactus? :-)
22:46 NekoGloop VanessaE, yeah no
22:47 VanessaE heh ok maybe mot
22:47 VanessaE not*
22:47 NekoGloop also the cactus club needs updating
22:47 sapier maybe it's fine but we should check with hmm 50 cactus active?
22:47 sapier maybe better 100 if ppl build walls from it this could easyly happen
22:48 NekoGloop People who build using cactus are just stupid.
22:48 VanessaE is there no way to run something *like* an abm but hooked to a player rather than the node?
22:48 sapier that doesn't make them not do it ;-)
22:48 sapier no but I way already thinking about a collision callback
22:48 NekoGloop VanessaE, the method of doing that? globalstep.
22:49 sapier hooked to objects
22:49 sapier this could be used for mobs as well as for your cactus mod as a player is a object too
22:49 sapier still that's not gonna happen for 0.4.8 ;-)
22:50 NekoGloop I'm just searching for generically "objects"
22:50 NekoGloop So the cactus will hurt mobs, players, falling blocks, item entities...
22:50 NekoGloop Though item entities are "invincible"
22:50 sapier what you do in that callback is up to the mod registering it
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22:58 * Peacock invades Rhodesia
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23:09 john_minetest where doees minetest get the mod list from?
23:09 Jordach ...the server
23:09 VanessaE you mean for the mod store?
23:10 john_minetest I mean the one from the mod download tab in minetest
23:10 VanessaE I believe it comes from, https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/
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23:11 john_minetest There should be more mods registered.
23:11 john_minetest And only real mods and no "test" mod
23:11 sapier true but that's up to the mod developer
23:11 john_minetest also texture packs should have an installer like that, too.
23:12 sapier true too but this has to wait until we get feedback about the mod store and know what to improve
23:18 Peacock <john_minetest> There should be more mods registered. :: convince the devs, not the channel :P
23:18 Peacock (mod devs, not core devs)
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23:19 fey_ does a server turn back on automatically if you run /shutdown ?
23:20 john_minetest Peacock: Mod devs are in this channel :D
23:20 kaeza no
23:20 kaeza ^ fey_
23:20 Peacock well not all of them :P
23:20 Peacock personally i thought things were already too centralized and regulator before the store came along lol but thats just me
23:20 Peacock *regulated lol
23:21 fey_ what store?
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23:22 stormchaser3000 hi
23:23 Evergreen Hey stormchaser3000 did meche help get minetest-classic to work for you?
23:23 stormchaser3000 yep
23:23 stormchaser3000 i now know how to compile on ubuntu (read the readme file) lol
23:24 Evergreen It's called README for a reason.   :P
23:24 stormchaser3000 i aso compiled meintest 0.4.7
23:24 stormchaser3000 also*
23:24 VanessaE 0.4.7 is obsolete
23:24 VanessaE :)
23:24 stormchaser3000 lol
23:24 stormchaser3000 and i compild prolers build
23:24 stormchaser3000 proer*
23:25 stormchaser3000 proller*
23:25 VanessaE proller* and that's not 0.4.7
23:25 stormchaser3000 wow
23:25 VanessaE that's git
23:25 stormchaser3000 oh lol
23:25 stormchaser3000 yeah i compiled that
23:25 VanessaE (plus a bunch of his patches and other stuff)
23:25 Megaf Hi there
23:25 stormchaser3000 i compiled the gits of these versions
23:26 Evergreen do you even know what git is?
23:26 stormchaser3000 yes i knwo what a git is
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23:26 Evergreen lol, if you use the word like that, you certainly don't
23:27 stormchaser3000 know*
23:27 Evergreen Git is just slang around here for the latest version.    However git is also a project manager that minetest uses
23:27 stormchaser3000 oh lol
23:27 Evergreen that isn't a very good explanation, cna someone else explain?
23:27 Evergreen *can
23:28 stormchaser3000 i was about to
23:28 Evergreen Things like gitorious and github are online hosts for git repositories
23:29 stormchaser3000 a git is a source code in an online domain where people can submit requests of there own edits of the code then have them merged into the source
23:29 Evergreen ^ Exactly
23:29 stormchaser3000 lol
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23:30 Evergreen Let me explain that, it is a place where projects(like minetest) can be put
23:30 stormchaser3000 yep
23:30 Evergreen IT allows other people to change pieces of the code and request that it be included into the actual project
23:30 Peacock git is for S&M geeks :P
23:31 Evergreen There is more to it than that, but that is the basics
23:31 Peacock at least, you have to be a masochist to learn how it works:P
23:32 VanessaE for 90% of your usage, you only need 5 commands:  git branch, checkout, add, commit, and push
23:33 Evergreen And git pull
23:33 VanessaE yes
23:33 VanessaE git only gets hairy (for me) when there's a merge conflict
23:33 Evergreen ^ me too
23:34 Peacock the fact it requires commands makes it harder to setup than my NIVIDA or ATI drivers :P
23:35 Peacock *harder than setting up
23:35 VanessaE there are gui apps too
23:35 Evergreen like git cola or gitk
23:35 Evergreen gitk is more for commit history
23:35 Peacock i wouldn't mind so much if the website had this shopping-cart like system where you checkbox pulls and it gives you a download button for the source with those pulls in it
23:36 stormchaser3000 that would be cool
23:36 Peacock but i suspect git was made by terminal-geeks for terminal-geeks :P
23:36 Evergreen Where github gets messy for me is when I'm trying to rebase a pull request, and get merge errors
23:36 dante123 !up minetest.info.tm
23:37 MinetestBot minetest.info.tm:30000 is up (9260ms)
23:37 Peacock and for me the terminal is my last stop for fixing serious fuckups before giving up and reinstalling a new image (when i ran Arch)
23:37 VanessaE Peacock: git was invented by Linus Torvalds.
23:37 VanessaE so "terminal geek" is ...questionable (I seem to recall he likes guis)
23:38 Peacock well you have to like complicated shit to write an entire kernel :P
23:39 Peacock i mean even i have a hard time imagining how writing a kernel might be a fun or acceptable passtime lol
23:39 Evergreen While I like the terminal a lot, I must admit to using guis quite a bit
23:39 Peacock not when you can go fishing on the river with a sixpack in a dingy lol
23:39 Peacock i like smart GUIs though
23:40 Peacock some apps in linux have their GUIs written by people obviously more comfortable with commands lol
23:40 Peacock blender and gimp come to mind
23:40 Evergreen ^ both of which are amazing
23:40 Peacock yeah, if you can find your way around :P
23:40 Peacock im not denying their power, im just saying the GUIs could be better
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23:41 Peacock and then you got ubuntu, the polar opposite, they gut their GUIs of most options/paramaters
23:42 Evergreen Yes, gimp is certainly not a newbie's friend.
23:42 VanessaE and now they rather strongly encourage people to pay for it
23:42 VanessaE (ubuntu_
23:42 Peacock well gimp in single-window-mode is still alot easier to learn than blender
23:42 Jordach BULLSHIT
23:42 Jordach BULLSHIT
23:42 VanessaE no shit.
23:42 Peacock pay for ubuntu? citation?
23:43 VanessaE http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/question​s?distro=desktop&amp;bits=64&amp;release=latest
23:43 * ShadowNinja confirms VanessaE's statement.
23:43 Evergreen Jordach, gimp is easier to learn from a complete beginners standpoint
23:43 Peacock i'll be damned
23:43 Evergreen once you know how to use it, it's hard to forget
23:43 VanessaE when I last loaded the page, it said something like "Pay what you think it's worth"
23:43 Peacock so they make ubuntu suck, and suggest you pay for it not sucking?
23:44 VanessaE scroll to the bottom, click "Not now, take me to the download >" to actually get it
23:44 Peacock well im hardly surprised, every other canonical business venture has failed miserably
23:44 VanessaE actually afaiu, Canonical is operating at a healthy profit
23:45 Peacock you can only make money with linux offering support, like redhat, but then, people will go with the established company, redhat lol
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23:45 Peacock dunno, their ubuntu phone hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell
23:45 Peacock unity on tablets or phones will never take off
23:45 Peacock heck, i even got an image of android on the netbook, since the screens' about the right size
23:46 VanessaE Jordach: pick your jaw up and clean up after your asploded head
23:46 VanessaE :)
23:46 VanessaE bbr
23:46 Peacock assploaded lol
23:46 VanessaE brb
23:46 Peacock having vindaloo again? :P
23:50 john_minetest @ VanessaE: Linus Torvalds mentioned in his book "Just for Fun" that he usually uses many desktops at the same time with X.
23:52 Jordach i am infinitely bored: http://i.imgur.com/iEzJYd9.png
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23:53 john_minetest How to get rich by using ubuntu: http://i.imgur.com/8vjQdyK.png
23:54 Peacock i wonder how big a cut debian gets from ubuntu lol
23:54 Jordach $0
23:54 john_minetest Ubuntu sucks. But java sucks more.
23:54 Peacock not that debian is perfect, but i'll take any debian-based distro that cuts out the FSF-style mumbo jumbo
23:55 Peacock for me an OS is an OS, not a political statement lol
23:55 VanessaE I use straight debian these days.  it sucks less than ubuntu but it has its problems too
23:56 VanessaE (or apps that purportedly run on it do)
23:56 * john_minetest expected worse sound quality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzYcBcsnlxo
23:56 Peacock if only there were an arch distro with a synpatic-like package manager and garanteed to work between updates lol
23:57 Peacock pacman + aur helper just plain sucks
23:57 john_minetest Peacock: But... freedom :-{)>>>>>>>
23:57 Peacock how's about i worry about my freedom? instead of being told what my freedoms should be lol
23:57 VanessaE it could be worse:  you coulda been using slackware prior to advent of slapt-get P:)
23:57 VanessaE :)
23:57 john_minetest That face is a stallman face
23:58 john_minetest :-{)>>>>>>
23:58 Peacock communists also believed in forcing their brand of freedom on people, and we all know how that worked out lol
23:58 john_minetest I know.
23:58 john_minetest Stallman is a bit too extremist.
23:58 Peacock a bit is quite generous :P
23:59 john_minetest Yeah. Quite.
23:59 Peacock i'm more, OSI, torvalds than FSF, stallmanite

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