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00:03 VanessaE actually you three have done really nicely with that mod
00:03 VanessaE modpack*
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00:04 jojoa1997 hi
00:04 Evergreen Oh, thank you VanessaE
00:04 VanessaE hi jojo
00:04 Evergreen Really, I haven't done too much on it.    I need to get myself motivated to work on it
00:05 Evergreen Is there an api document in plantlife?  I'd like to see it
00:05 jojoa1997 Evergreen i find motivation a hard thing to do when i am tired and have a good book to read.
00:05 jojoa1997
00:05 jojoa1997 oops and also when i am playing games
00:05 Evergreen ^true
00:06 VanessaE yes there is
00:06 VanessaE plantlife/API.txt :)
00:06 VanessaE https://raw.github.com/Vanes​saE/plantlife/master/API.txt
00:08 jojoa1997 can anyone help me with git --config push.default matching
00:09 VanessaE not sure what that is
00:09 jojoa1997 happens when i do git push
00:11 VanessaE no clue
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00:24 thefamilygrog66 stupid catchas
00:24 VanessaE hi
00:24 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks!
00:24 thefamilygrog66 took me three times typing in gibberish to get in here this evening
00:25 thefamilygrog66 and I'm STILL a spambot
00:25 VanessaE why not use a regular IRC client?
00:25 thefamilygrog66 lazy?
00:25 VanessaE heh
00:25 VanessaE get hexchat.
00:26 thefamilygrog66 I'm guessing I can't use Empathy for IRC...
00:27 VanessaE no clue
00:27 VanessaE never used that
00:27 thefamilygrog66 it's included with my ubuntu
00:28 VanessaE oh right
00:28 VanessaE well in that case use xchat
00:28 VanessaE which you probably already have
00:28 VanessaE I forgot you use ubuntu :)
00:28 thefamilygrog66 sudo apt-get install xchat
00:28 VanessaE +2
00:29 VanessaE xchat2 I think is the package name
00:29 thefamilygrog66 not included with this one
00:29 VanessaE huh
00:29 VanessaE well a quick apt-get will remedy that :)
00:29 thefamilygrog66 I'm running Zorin, cause I'm kinda windows-centric, you know
00:29 VanessaE I use XFCE :)
00:30 VanessaE zorin is a fork of ubuntu?
00:30 thefamilygrog66 yes, skinned with various OS choices
00:30 VanessaE ah
00:30 thefamilygrog66 e.g. win 7, xp, os10, etc
00:31 thefamilygrog66 unable to locate package xchat2
00:31 VanessaE ok try without the '2' then :)
00:32 thefamilygrog66 way ahead of ya, haha
00:33 thefamilygrog66 let's try this out
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00:34 thefamilygrog66 is this thing on?
00:34 thefamilygrog66 testing
00:34 kaeza no
00:35 thefamilygrog66 damn
00:35 * thefamilygrog66 kinda misses the captchas
00:37 VanessaE it works :)
00:37 thefamilygrog66 apparently!
00:37 VanessaE once you get used to it, you'll curse the notion of using a browser to get onto chat :)
00:37 VanessaE you should register your nick also
00:38 VanessaE /ns help register
00:42 thefamilygrog66 -NickServ- thefamilygrog66 has now been verified.
00:42 * thefamilygrog66 is official
00:43 VanessaE now, Xchat -> Network List -> Freenode -> plug in your nickserv password there
00:43 thefamilygrog66 I have a hankering for online trivia, for some reason
00:45 thefamilygrog66 that trivia channel was lame
00:47 VanessaE heh
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01:11 thefamilygrog66 .ping
01:12 VanessaE pong
01:12 thefamilygrog66 my ping was really slow on the trivia channel I was just on
01:12 thefamilygrog66 >1 second
01:13 thefamilygrog66 where's freenode located?
01:13 VanessaE not sure
01:13 VanessaE all over, I guess
01:14 VanessaE depends on which server you actually got on the rotation
01:14 thefamilygrog66 I see
01:14 thefamilygrog66 I'm guessing it's not in Canada, eh
01:15 Exio4 thefamilygrog66: there are servers in the US and there are servers in europe
01:15 Exio4 it isn't a single-country based network
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02:38 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyIXOL2bsQI
02:38 VanessaE !title
02:38 MinetestBot VanessaE: 【東方MMD】ミニチャイナな華扇ちゃんでGet Up & Move!! - YouTube
02:39 kaeza dat title
02:39 NekoGloop >can display japanese characters but not &
02:39 VanessaE heh
02:41 arsdragonfly touhou fans here? :-P
02:41 * NekoGloop is the only touhou fan here
02:41 VanessaE noe
02:42 NekoGloop these people are too lame for touhou
02:42 VanessaE :P
02:53 thefamilygrog66 what the hell is a touhou?
02:54 VanessaE no clue
02:54 thefamilygrog66 yay, found time stamps
02:54 VanessaE the only japanese I know is Lolita and Sukiyaki :)
02:54 thefamilygrog66 akira
02:55 VanessaE that too
02:55 VanessaE (I wasn't counting anime in general :P )
02:55 thefamilygrog66 I like J-Horror
02:55 thefamilygrog66 video games mainly though
02:57 thefamilygrog66 any freenode channel recommendations, aside from this one of course?
02:58 VanessaE Depends on how technical you wanna get :)
02:58 arsdragonfly #ubuntu if you find this channel mostly dead
02:58 VanessaE ##minebest is Oldcoder's channel, then there's #minetest-technic for code talk about that mod, and #minetest-dev for core engine talk
02:58 thefamilygrog66 cool
02:58 VanessaE you can also try irc.inchra.net #minetest , which is the channel for Kaeza's, ShadowNinja's, and my servers.
02:59 VanessaE (connected to the servers' chats via the IRC mod)
02:59 thefamilygrog66 is it possible to connect to more than one irc server using xchat?
02:59 VanessaE sure
03:00 VanessaE just open the server list again and connect to another server
03:00 kaeza I don't think Inchra is in xchat's list though
03:00 VanessaE it'll connect to as many servers and/or channels as you want.
03:00 VanessaE no, it isn't
03:00 VanessaE you'll have to add that one
03:02 thefamilygrog66 hmm it didn't like irc.inchra.net
03:02 kaeza oh, irc.inchra.net is down afaik
03:02 kaeza use horus.inchra.net
03:04 thefamilygrog66 that worked
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03:17 VanessaE bbl, bedtime
03:17 VanessaE night all
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04:05 stormchaser3000 hi
04:06 stormchaser3000 :(
04:06 Menche hello
04:06 stormchaser3000 hi
04:08 stormchaser3000 i am on menche.us
04:08 stormchaser3000 with an updated client
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04:54 ndjdjksisksk ok just a sec
04:54 ndjdjksisksk i am stormchaser3000
04:55 stormchaser3000 hi
04:55 stormchaser3000 lol
05:01 stormchaser3000 hey dark are you on
05:02 stormchaser3000 darkrose?
05:02 Menche she's on #minetest-classic
05:02 stormchaser3000 oh ok
05:03 VanessaE hi
05:03 VanessaE can't sleep :-/
05:03 stormchaser3000 :(
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05:03 stormchaser3000 that is not good
05:03 VanessaE eh, it's a thing with me sometimes
05:04 stormchaser3000 me to
05:04 VanessaE too*
05:04 arsdragonfly it's 13:04 here now,and I'm feeling tired after lunch :-(
05:05 stormchaser3000 tit's 12:05 here AM
05:05 VanessaE 1:05a here
05:05 stormchaser3000 oh lol
05:05 stormchaser3000 sam etimezone
05:05 stormchaser3000 same*
05:06 stormchaser3000 time zone*
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05:07 stormchaser3000 hi
05:11 * Menche is playing Candy Box 2
05:13 stormchaser3000 lol
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05:51 sandman Can anyone recommend an easy way to remove all unused objects in a world?
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05:53 Menche the /clearobjecs command will remove all objects
05:53 Menche /clearobjects rather
05:53 Menche typo
05:53 NakedFury it can crash servers
05:53 Menche it may take a while, depending on the size of the world, and will freeze the server while working.
05:59 VanessaE bbl
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06:15 nore hi all
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06:26 arsdragonfly sandman:use the latest builds to run that command. 0.4.7 stable has a heavy memory usage on /clearobjects
06:35 sandman It sounds like it clears all objects. I just want to clear unused ones
06:36 Menche what do you mean by "unused"?
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06:38 sandman Well, I enabled a mod that created a bunch of objects. I've since disabled said mod. Now there's a bunch of "unused node"-type messages and blocks around
06:38 sandman I'd like to remove them =) I don't really want to re-make the world, as I've put a lot of work into it since my last backup
06:39 sandman Trying to make Neuschwanstein Castle =)
06:41 Menche oh, unknown nodes
06:41 Menche the term "object" usually refers to an item without a fixed location, like a dropped tool, player, or mob.
06:42 Menche I think someone made a mod that has an ABM that can be configured to remove unknown nodes
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07:09 kaeza this one perhaps? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2777
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08:17 sfan5 hi everyone
08:18 sfan5 !seen jordach
08:18 MinetestBot sfan5: jordach was last seen at 2013-10-24 20:25:56 UTC on #minetest
08:19 nore hi sfan5
08:37 kaeza hi sfan
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08:43 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy (or should that be grumpy?) Sourest Day! :-D
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10:02 Dan_D I know that there was someone who had a server which had turrets, if I remember right they only shot at people who weren't the placer. Can the person who made that adaption please look at my turret code in the camo_modpack, and tell me how to change ot so that is also the case with my turrets, and also the intruder alarm? Thanks.
10:05 Dan_D I would be grateful.
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10:13 Dan_D Anyone?
10:16 arsdragonfly ?
10:19 Dan_D 'D> I know that there was someone who had a server which had turrets, if I remember right they only shot at people who weren't the placer. Can the person who made that adaption please look at my turret code in the camo_modpack, and tell me how to change ot so that is also the case with my turrets, and also the intruder alarm? Thanks.'
10:20 arsdragonfly IIRC turrets in landrush server occasionally soot their owners
10:20 arsdragonfly *shoot
10:21 Dan_D But on mine they shoot any player ever
10:21 Dan_D And chances are, kill them
10:21 Dan_D The only escape is to nowwhere near them,defeating the point
10:22 Dan_D Oh well, at least I got the ownership thing where they are only dug by their owners
10:22 Dan_D Bye then
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11:47 Wuzzy In an ABM, there is a parameter called “func” and this shall be a function with some parameters. There is also a parameter “node” mentioned — what exactly is this parameter supposed to mean?
11:49 Wuzzy Is this just the usual node definition or something else?
11:51 Wuzzy Never mind, I just found it out by myself. :P
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12:26 Evergreen 'Ello everyone
12:28 reactor o/
12:28 reactor Evergreen: why aren't you deciduous instead?
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13:11 sfan5 plol! I crashed our router by sending 4032 A's into a field that was supposed to have maximum 64 chars
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13:39 reactor ?
13:39 reactor sfan5: what kind of router?
13:40 reactor Consumer-grade or normal?
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13:40 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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13:44 reactor Hello PlizAdam.
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14:08 john_minetest Hello everypony and everybody else.
14:10 reactor john_minetest: hell. I hope you're "everybody else", too.
14:11 john_minetest http://9gag.com/gag/a9dR296
14:13 reactor lol @ the 'exploded' comment
14:14 reactor What are the species?
14:14 sfan5 reactor: define "consumer-grade"
14:14 reactor Eh.
14:15 reactor sfan5: that ones sold in so called "computer shops"
14:15 sfan5 well
14:15 reactor that almost always implies "crappy"
14:16 sfan5 its' this one http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/t-com/spw303v
14:16 sfan5 s/s'/'s/
14:16 reactor For instance, my modem won't attempt to reconnect ADSL line if it's dropped. Because it's crap.
14:16 reactor You have OpenWRT on it?
14:17 reactor That might make it better.
14:17 reactor I would try to install it here, if not for ADSL support.
14:17 sfan5 no, I don't have openwrt
14:17 reactor Oh.
14:21 reactor SpaceCore: you're not going to space.
14:22 reactor john_minetest: btw, how's that dude without internet access?
14:22 SpaceCore reactor: :<
14:22 reactor john_minetest: they whitelist _destination_ ports? I could map it to port 80 eh.
14:22 reactor SpaceCore: >:(
14:22 john_minetest idk what output port minetest uses
14:23 john_minetest seems it is switching all the time.
14:23 reactor john_minetest: we don't need to know outgoing port
14:23 john_minetest but the packet filter will kill all the packages.
14:23 reactor john_minetest: if they whitelist, they should whitelist destination server ports
14:23 reactor not clients' ports
14:23 reactor because clients ports vary
14:24 john_minetest nah
14:24 reactor Okay, tell me your version.
14:24 john_minetest which application randomizes ports?
14:24 john_minetest skype uses its set of ports, internet, ssh and so on.
14:24 john_minetest *internet-> www
14:24 john_minetest so http, ftp, https
14:24 reactor Dude.
14:25 reactor _outgoing_ ports are widely randomised
14:25 reactor they might even not match between programs using the same protocol
14:26 Warr1024 most stateful NAT routers I've seen will create the necessary reverse mapping for UDP traffic from a random source pot.
14:26 Warr1024 s/(..)$/r$1/
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14:28 reactor Kernighan, Ritchie. The C Programming Language
14:29 PilzAdam bbl
14:38 zat NSFW: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-​ak-prn2/1379749_600372896693555_526708536_n.jpg
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14:39 * Evergreen is back
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14:39 reactor zat: quantum mechanics.
14:39 zat portals are for fap
14:39 reactor Evergreen: I will make you become deciduous.
14:40 reactor zat: I mean, according to quantum mechanics, object of observation is affected by observer
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14:40 Evergreen Never!  I will always be an evergreen tree
14:41 reactor Evergreen: choose: defoliants or napalm?
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14:41 reactor s/nts/nt/
14:42 zat reactor: fap fap fap
14:42 Evergreen No
14:42 * Evergreen falls over on top of reactor
14:42 reactor zat: whatever you're into, mate.
14:42 Evergreen It was worth it
14:42 reactor Ooch! Aw! It wasn't!
14:42 reactor This sucked! It wasn't!
14:42 reactor Bunghole.
14:43 reactor s/Oo/Ou/
14:45 Evergreen plol
14:46 Evergreen why are you so bent on taking my leaves?  :P
14:47 reactor Because.
14:47 reactor Idk.
14:47 reactor I'm an analytical kind of person. I like taking things apart rather than putting them together.
14:48 john_minetest I like taking things apart to learn how they work to put together my own things.
14:49 reactor And that.
14:49 reactor So I'm taking you apart, Evergreen, to build my own tree.
14:49 reactor Hope you don't mind.
14:49 Evergreen Just get a sapling
14:49 * reactor cranks up the chainsaw
14:50 * Evergreen gives reactor a sapling
14:50 Evergreen Now wait about 20 years
14:50 * reactor saws john_minetest apart.
14:51 reactor For reverse engineering.
14:51 reactor Now I can build my own john_minetest, I guess.
14:51 reactor Evergreen: thanks, mate.
14:52 * john_minetest takes apart reactor
14:53 john_minetest Aha, now I can build my own reactor... ooooh, chernobyl... :(
14:53 reactor You couldn't. You were already dead.
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14:54 reactor OldCoder: why don't you upgrade and become NewCoder?
14:54 john_minetest reactor: You have rebuilt me
14:54 reactor I didn't say I have.
14:54 reactor had*
14:55 OldCoder Hi!
14:55 reactor Hello.
14:55 OldCoder reactor, It is... actually an interesting thought
14:55 Warr1024 how old do you have to be to be an OldCoder around here anyway?
14:55 reactor NewCoder: why don't you downgrade and become OldCoder?
14:55 NewCoder Warr1024, It is relative. reactor I will, later.
14:55 NewCoder reactor, thank you for the thoughts.
14:56 reactor Nothing.
14:56 Warr1024 hell, I might be an OldCoder of sorts myself.
14:56 reactor john_minetest: how does it feel like, being dead?
14:57 john_minetest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsIYi9scrvg
14:57 john_minetest that's what she said
14:58 reactor !title
14:58 MinetestBot reactor: The Beatles - She said she said - lyrics HD - YouTube
14:58 reactor Good.
14:59 reactor I finally see someone who has good taste.
14:59 john_minetest It says in the beginning: "She said: I know how it is to be dead"
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15:00 reactor I have no flash at the moment -_-
15:01 john_minetest gnash ftw
15:01 reactor (I'm deprecating it in the future, anyway)
15:01 john_minetest deprecating?
15:01 reactor Yes.
15:01 reactor Getting rid of.
15:01 reactor As in, using chainsaw upon.
15:02 john_minetest chainsaws are so overrated
15:02 reactor And burying in outdoor shitter.
15:02 reactor Part by part.
15:03 reactor bloody flash is everywhere
15:03 john_minetest I mean: Why are crazy guys using those completely effectless, loud chainsaws to kill people when they can use an axe or a sharp knife. Even a shovel might be more effective.
15:04 reactor it's probably more painful
15:04 Warr1024 A chainsaw's combat value is primarily theatrical.
15:04 john_minetest With the right clothing (the one worn by people operating chainsaws) those chainsaws are useless.
15:04 reactor Warr1024: it is.
15:05 reactor john_minetest: how about knives vs that clothing?
15:05 reactor Warr1024: it's probably good if you're trying to scare off a bunch of unarmed rednecks.
15:05 john_minetest The clothing is made of a material that jams the saw
15:05 reactor oh
15:05 john_minetest it gets "sucked in" and destroys the mechanism
15:06 john_minetest People should use that in films:
15:06 john_minetest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDvgL58h_Y
15:07 reactor Also, a saw that is powerful enough will cut through the cloth.
15:08 reactor (c) Wikipedia
15:09 reactor Warr1024: it's also good for executing dangerous people.
15:10 john_minetest The chinese guys make execution with thousands of people watching. THIS is effective. But not very effective.
15:10 john_minetest Singapore is much more effective.
15:10 reactor Would make the punishment gorier and more painful, scaring those who are going to commit same kind of crimes.
15:11 Warr1024 Chainsaws are OK for slow-moving zombies.  Axes are preferred for fast-moving ones.
15:11 reactor Heh.
15:12 reactor Good point.
15:12 Warr1024 The benefit of using a chainsaw on the slow-moving ones is saving your stamina.  Swinging a axe repeatedly is exhausting.
15:12 reactor "Wendy! Stop swinging the bat!"
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15:13 reactor john_minetest: btw, facility?
15:14 john_minetest not yet
15:14 reactor mk
15:14 john_minetest A good sword might be best
15:14 john_minetest It can cut without needing a lot of stamina
15:15 reactor It takes many hours of training to learn operating them.
15:15 Jordach A sword is only as good as the wielder
15:15 reactor They're usually rather blunt.
15:15 john_minetest A zombie might live on for a few seconds when killed with a chainsaw.
15:15 Jordach a light sword will do no damage
15:15 john_minetest And kill/infect you
15:15 Evergreen Oh hey Jordach
15:15 reactor john_minetest: if you decapitate it, it won't
15:15 john_minetest A normal sword should remove the head properly without much complications.
15:16 Evergreen Imo, I think I would go with a medium length blade in an apocalypse
15:16 reactor john_minetest: but its bodily fluids might be infectious
15:16 Evergreen very sharp of course
15:16 Warr1024 someone needs to invent a sort of wind-up spring-loaded blade specifically for zombie decapitation.
15:16 NewCoder Sounds efficient
15:16 Warr1024 requiring less skill than manual blades, and without the ammo limitations of a shotgun.
15:16 Warr1024 this could be a very lucrative patent.
15:17 john_minetest reactor: When you use a chainsaw there is much more blood involved that flushes in uunpredictable directions.
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15:17 Jordach http://imgur.com/gallery/MCAdg
15:17 Jordach gold
15:17 john_minetest A sword makes a clean cut
15:17 Jordach Evergreen, hey
15:17 reactor john_minetest: if it's moving fast enough
15:18 reactor john_minetest: depends entirely on the operator
15:18 reactor Most people don't have necessary muscle.
15:18 Warr1024 chainsaws also require fuel.  Hard to mix gasoline and 2-stroke engine oil in the correct proportion when dozens of undead are shambling your way...
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15:20 john_minetest reactor: A chainsaw is inefficient. Cutting takes very long and the cut is not clean. The chain is wettened and the blood is spread all over the place.
15:20 Jordach john_minetest, a better option is bullets
15:20 Jordach lots and lots of bullets
15:20 john_minetest A sword makes a single, clean cut and the zombie dies instantly. Blood is on the blade but since the blade isn't moving around rapidly, nothing happens.
15:20 Jordach effective, clean
15:21 reactor john_minetest: I've agreed to that above.
15:21 john_minetest Bullets are most efficient but you got to have a large amount when fighting against a horde
15:21 reactor Jordach: it's hard to aim.
15:21 Jordach john_minetest, a sledgehammer with a broadsword is good, you've got the weight of the sledge, and the slice of a sword
15:22 reactor Beside, guns need to be kept clean.
15:22 Jordach (eg, stick em together)
15:22 reactor In an apocalyptic situation, it'll be hard to find gun maintenance things.
15:22 reactor Jordach: that would also get you tired fast.
15:23 john_minetest reactor: Not all guns have to be clean
15:23 Jordach reactor, not if you're strong
15:23 reactor john_minetest: as in?
15:23 john_minetest Take an ak-47. You can put it in the mud and use it again.
15:23 reactor Why do they clean AK's every time they've been shot?
15:23 reactor s/shot/fired/
15:23 Jordach btw, an ak is the most effective in a zombie apocalypse btw
15:23 reactor john_minetest: also, they're gas-operated.
15:24 john_minetest Of course an ak isn't that precise like a H&K but it is resistent.
15:24 Warr1024 just because you can fire a gun full of mud doesn't make it a good idea.
15:24 reactor john_minetest: so they totally need to be cleaned often
15:24 john_minetest They can be cleaned often but they don't need to.
15:24 reactor they do
15:24 john_minetest They also work when muddy
15:25 reactor they do, but they won't last long
15:25 reactor of course you can fire it muddy in emergency
15:25 sfan5[Mac] meow
15:25 reactor but you can't expect it wor work every time
15:25 reactor sfan5[Mac]: bark!
15:25 sfan5[Mac] meow!
15:25 reactor "me owns"
15:25 * Jordach pets sfan5[Mac]
15:26 * sfan5[Mac] purrs
15:26 sfan5 woops..
15:26 reactor whoops
15:26 john_minetest reactor: Of course a clean ak is better than a muddy one, the point is: You can actually throw it in the mud and use it for a long time before it loses much performance.
15:26 reactor john_minetest: not a long time
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15:26 reactor probably a magazine
15:26 sfan5[Mac] meow
15:27 reactor and it's worn as hell
15:27 sfan5[Mac] imma kitten
15:27 reactor because mud is abrasive
15:27 john_minetest reactor: Longer than with a high precision sniper rifle
15:27 reactor true
15:27 reactor but eh.
15:27 reactor I wouldn't fire a gun full of dirt just because.
15:28 john_minetest of course
15:28 Jordach btw, don't hide in a bunker
15:28 Warr1024 unless your target were highly succeptible to dirt damage.
15:28 Jordach ha
15:28 Warr1024 then a gun full of dirt would be your best option.
15:29 john_minetest bunkers are quite safe
15:29 Jordach john_minetest, no emergency escape and a one way entrance
15:29 john_minetest Near my hometown there was one civil protection bunker.
15:29 john_minetest I slept one night there while a hacker meeting was taking place.
15:29 reactor Jordach: right... let's all die under bombs
15:30 reactor Jordach: or from radioactive dust
15:30 john_minetest It is quite safe, several meters under the ground, only one entrance to defend - if.
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15:30 Jordach john_minetest, a backup (large crawlable vent) would be good to hide in
15:30 Jordach because afaik, zombies cant crawl
15:30 john_minetest they can if they lost at leas one feet
15:31 john_minetest one leg*
15:31 reactor or if they've fallen
15:31 Jordach but the ones that broke through will probably be standing
15:31 john_minetest If you lock in in a room you should be safe
15:32 reactor in a real situation, yes
15:32 john_minetest All in all: When nearly everybody is a zombie, the electricity should be gone very soon
15:32 reactor because I don't think real zombies would be able to use items
15:32 john_minetest So you should take twinkies and lock in
15:32 john_minetest reactor: The intelligence of a zombie might be high.
15:33 john_minetest Since zombie craws don't lose much of their intelligence and craws can use tools.
15:33 reactor idk
15:33 john_minetest But it depends on the kind of infection.
15:33 john_minetest When it is with fungi like in "The last of us", they might not use tools.
15:33 reactor they have to be deteriorated to the point reasoning doesn't work
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15:36 reactor otherwise they would not attack everything that moves
15:36 reactor Calinou: o/
15:38 john_minetest Assuming they have the senses of normal humans minus their eyes they should not be able to do everything.
15:38 Calinou hi :)
15:38 john_minetest They would just walk/crawl around. Hiding on a tree would be safe
15:38 john_minetest Or simply locking doors
15:38 john_minetest And making no noise.
15:38 john_minetest Maybe putting wood on the windows.
15:39 reactor mk
15:39 Jordach VanessaE, nice post ;)
15:40 Jordach john_minetest, have you been playing 7 days to die by chance
15:41 Calinou desktop now on xubuntu 13.10 :)
15:41 Jordach did you mean: OS X 10.9 :P
15:41 Calinou I used command line upgrade, no issues, had to fix the sound indicator like on netbook though
15:41 Jordach it;s a free upgrade
15:41 Calinou but the OS isn't free :phoronix rolleyes:
15:42 reactor Oh come on. Ubuntu.
15:42 Jordach and neither is your computer parts
15:42 Jordach so open source isnt true open source
15:42 Jordach just because of the hardware
15:42 Jordach (RMS would be shitting bricks :P )
15:42 FreeFull I've been having much luck with æłeđø→ħ« as my OS
15:42 john_minetest Jordach: I think I have seen a bit of gameplay
15:43 Jordach todays xkcd: the monty hall problem
15:43 Jordach i'd take the goat over the car
15:43 john_minetest RMS uses a computer with free hardware. Even the bios chip and its bios program is free
15:43 Jordach because i don't like mowing the lawn
15:43 reactor john_minetest: RMS?
15:44 Warr1024 root mean squared
15:44 Calinou reactor: xubuntu ;)
15:44 FreeFull Republik Maluku Selatan
15:44 reactor 21:43 < john_minetest> RMS uses a computer with free hardware.
15:44 Calinou it's recognized by canonical but is non-commercial, and community-developed
15:44 john_minetest R. M. Stallman
15:44 reactor Oh
15:44 reactor john_minetest: what is that computer?
15:44 john_minetest The uber-freek.
15:44 Jordach Evergreen, beep boop beep
15:45 john_minetest reactor: idk, it was from an interview
15:45 Calinou john_minetest: free hardware would be free CPU/GPU/RAM and all that
15:45 reactor Yes.
15:45 reactor He probably meant he got them for free, and that's it.\
15:45 Calinou yey, TF2 and trackmania still work
15:45 Evergreen Jordach, bop beep boop
15:46 Evergreen trackmania ftw
15:46 Jordach Evergreen, you should know what i mean :D
15:46 reactor Mkay.
15:46 john_minetest Calinou: Maybe only was the BIOS
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15:47 markveidemanis Hi
15:47 reactor markveidemanis: o/
15:48 john_minetest woah, i'll play portal 2 now
15:48 reactor john_minetest: ?
15:48 reactor john_minetest: cracked or legal?
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15:48 john_minetest legal of course.
15:48 reactor Oh. Pardon.
15:48 john_minetest none of my games is cracked.
15:48 markveidemanis lol
15:48 markveidemanis all mine are
15:48 Jordach some of my discs are
15:48 reactor Uh. Okay.
15:48 Warr1024 RMS definition of "Free Software" includes all software that runs on any microprocessor on the machine, including the BIOS (which runs on main CPU) and any device firmware (that runs on device processors).  Does NOT include full specs for the hardware, beyond what its software interfaces.
15:48 john_minetest I want to support the developers
15:49 markveidemanis What are you paying for?
15:49 john_minetest So they can make new games and get my money as an achievement for their great work.
15:49 markveidemanis A stream of electrical pulses
15:49 reactor I don't play games for enough time to consider buying any.
15:49 markveidemanis im gonna buy minetest soon
15:49 reactor :)
15:49 markveidemanis No, il pirate it
15:49 john_minetest A few holes in a disk + bonus material + work put in the game.
15:49 Warr1024 is it even possible to pirate minetest?
15:50 john_minetest Or simply the game and DLC.
15:50 markveidemanis It is
15:50 markveidemanis Get a cracked client
15:50 Warr1024 ha
15:50 markveidemanis Thats all im going to say
15:50 john_minetest I got minetest for free, cracked, also linux source and compiled my own cracked version :P
15:50 Warr1024 Is MT GPL or a more permissive license?
15:50 john_minetest GPL iirc
15:50 reactor submissive license
15:51 Warr1024 if it's GPL, you can "pirate" it by distributing a modified version without source.
15:51 markveidemanis Could someone help me with the spawn on my legit server in minetest
15:51 reactor markveidemanis: use hammer.
15:51 john_minetest i like to use zlib for my own programs
15:51 john_minetest zlib is a nice license
15:51 markveidemanis Hammer
15:51 Warr1024 I'm a fan of MIT or ISC.
15:51 Warr1024 I like ISC's wording better, but MIT seems to be much more popular, and thus easier to interoperate.
15:52 Calinou Minetest is LGPL for code and CC BY-SA strictest for art
15:52 Warr1024 I think zlib, apache, MIT, ISC, and BSD 2-clause are all very similar?
15:52 Warr1024 ah, so distributing a cracked MT might not be piracy.
15:53 Warr1024 unless the "crack" is tightly integrated into the original code.
15:53 Warr1024 Is it just me, or didn't you used to be able to make charcoal by cooking logs in a furnace?
15:54 john_minetest zlib is awesome. can be used for commercial things. Author's name would be nice to credit but not required. this can take away a lot of fear from companies that are unsure about free software
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15:54 Warr1024 yeah, I allow commercial reuse of my code too.
15:55 Warr1024 not so much to encourage commercial adoption as from lack of giving a damn.
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15:56 FreeFull Warr1024: I think charcoal might have gotten taken out, not sure
15:56 Warr1024 aw
15:56 FreeFull SDL went from GPLv2 to zlib when it went from 1.x to 2.x
15:57 FreeFull Actually, not GPLv2, but LGPL
15:57 reactor What? He uses firefox?
15:57 reactor For IRC?
15:57 reactor That's so lame.
15:57 FreeFull The LGPL has some restrictions that makes static linking SDL into your program legally iffy. zlib is more permissive
15:57 FreeFull reactor: Chatzilla isn't that bad
15:58 Jordach like the local bitch
15:58 reactor It is.
15:58 Calinou people talking about Minetest in #defocus, seems legit
15:58 reactor Because the last thing IRC needs is GUI.
15:58 Jordach Calinou, say #minetest NOW
15:58 Calinou done
15:58 Jordach also: pastie logs
15:58 Calinou you're not in #defocus? thought you were
16:00 markveidemanis https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=115642#p115642
16:02 Warr1024 anyone know if there's an existing hook for when one of a node's neighbors gets updated?
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16:29 VanessaE hi
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18:06 kaeza evenings
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18:09 john_minetest good evening kaeza and hi PilzAdam
18:10 PilzAdam hey
18:13 Jordach OH SWEET FUCKING JESUS
18:13 Jordach BEST DLC EVER
18:14 Jordach HOLY SHIT - the endling of Saints Row 4 is awesome
18:14 Jordach (the DLC anyways)
18:14 Evergreen ^ For what game?   ;)
18:14 Evergreen ninja'd
18:14 Jordach you RIDE A VELOCIRAPTOR
18:14 PilzAdam apparently it breaks your capslock key too
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18:16 Jordach ctrl + backspace crashes quassel
18:21 Jordach Evergreen, server will stay down for an hour, jordach@/Firebomb/ is overheating
18:22 Jordach and i need a break :D
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18:25 Jordach brb
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18:35 john_minetest wish I had a portal gun
18:35 john_minetest or at least a linux system instead of that stupid windows
18:38 thexyz then why you no have linux?
18:40 PilzAdam "If you came here because http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2876, please note that this is not a majority vote, but instead a discussion among Wikipedia contributors." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipe​dia:Articles_for_deletion/Minetest
18:43 thexyz lol fug them
18:44 thexyz stupid deletionists
18:44 PilzAdam there are still Minetest articles in the german, russina, french and chinese wikipedia
18:44 PilzAdam *russian
18:45 thexyz aaaand now check the russian page
18:45 Warr1024 If that's the way they wanna play it, someone should delete the page for "Wikipedia" on the Minetest Wiki. :-)
18:46 PilzAdam there is a big red box at the top
18:46 thexyz Warr1024: "not notable"
18:46 thexyz I like the idea though
18:46 Warr1024 thexyz: noted.
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18:48 thexyz Warr1024: http://wiki.minetest.net/Wikipedia
18:50 Warr1024 nice
18:50 thexyz that'll show them!
18:50 Warr1024 so what does "notable" mean anyway?
18:51 Warr1024 I can't imagine that they're disputing one's ability to note minetest...
18:51 thexyz it's a buzzword
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18:52 JackGruff buzzword is a buzzword
18:53 john_minetest Translate german page and put it up on wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minetest
18:53 john_minetest I could translate it.
18:54 thexyz and then it'll be deleted again; moreover there's one page in user namespace
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18:54 Warr1024 So I guess minetest is notable, only not to English speakers?
18:55 john_minetest Minetest is notable in germany :b
18:57 john_minetest translating now
18:58 thexyz john_minetest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/User:Rubenwardy/Minetest
18:58 Jordach hand me a few servers, a few wordpresses -- i could in theory make a shit ton of fake content in an hour
18:59 Jordach ...notable now assholes?
18:59 thexyz wow so much hate
18:59 Jordach all i can see in that discussion is this guy saying it doesnt meed standards: when i read the page it was fine
18:59 Jordach (the rubenwardy page)
19:00 PilzAdam john_minetest, note that the german article is a translation of the english one
19:00 john_minetest lol
19:01 john_minetest ...
19:01 john_minetest guys like those wikipedia jerks are the reason why ddos occur.
19:03 Jordach i've found 6 minetest reviews
19:03 john_minetest Add it to the article
19:03 john_minetest Add so many that in the end the minetest article has more sources than the minecraft article. And then request deletition of minecraft since it has no sources.
19:05 PilzAdam or we get Minetest really popular, but wont re-create the wikipedia article
19:05 PilzAdam then everyone who wants to read about the famous Minetest in wikipedia wonders why its not notable
19:06 Jordach +1
19:06 Jordach then let the shit storm happen
19:06 john_minetest yeah
19:06 john_minetest Let's do this!
19:07 john_minetest So... let's wait for minetest getting popular...
19:07 Jordach how about we release 0.4.8
19:07 Jordach (c'mon, im bored of fuckin waiting)
19:07 PilzAdam while (minetest.getPopilarity() < over 900) sleep(50); endwhile
19:07 PilzAdam -typo
19:08 khonkhortisan getPopilarity: not declared
19:08 Warr1024 Jordach: just play the git version :-/
19:08 khonkhortisan We source downloaders don't care about releases
19:08 PilzAdam well, in theory there are people downloading stable release sources
19:09 Warr1024 it's tricky
19:09 PilzAdam there is a reason why we tag releases
19:09 Warr1024 if you're writing a mod, you need to track the latest dev head to make sure that there aren't breaking changes coming in the next rlease
19:09 Warr1024 but players on non-build-from-source platforms (*ahem* windows *ahem*) will generally stick with releases.
19:09 PilzAdam generally you can say that the API will never break
19:10 PilzAdam if you find a case where it is broken, feel free to start a shitstorm at #minetest-dev
19:10 PilzAdam (forward compatibility, that is)
19:10 Warr1024 I haven't seen any really blatant breakage
19:11 Warr1024 but then again, writing a mod for the old release means you can't play with the new upcoming features :-)
19:12 Warr1024 though I guess I might be thinking more about a port maintainer than a mod author.
19:15 Warr1024 one thing I've noticed that a certain other digging-themed game has that doesn't feel as smooth in MT is inventory management.
19:15 Warr1024 the slots feel small, and the gaps between too big, so I occasionally drop stuff between and it doesn't register
19:16 Warr1024 and I find myself wishing I could shift+click or ctrl+shift+click to move between inventories.
19:17 Warr1024 Is there any reason why something like that can't or shouldn't be added, or is this a "contributions welcome" sort of area?
19:18 thexyz yay!
19:18 PilzAdam we always have the challenge to make it reasonable in the API
19:18 thexyz it's the time to make another "contributions welcome" fork!
19:19 PilzAdam I was thinking about a "move-to" field in the list element in the formspec
19:19 john_minetest Where are the goals for the next version declared?
19:19 Warr1024 I guess I'll have to play with formspecs a bit more.
19:19 john_minetest Or is it just like: Hey, let's just make a new version. Just 'cause.
19:20 PilzAdam Warr1024, Id recommend brainfuck, its easier
19:20 Warr1024 ha
19:20 PilzAdam the only thing on earth that is worth than formspec strings is json
19:21 Warr1024 I guess it sort of depends on whether we do this as a client-side thing (user shift-clicks, and the client translates it into a series of click-to-move actions)
19:21 Warr1024 or if it's purely a server-side thing (shift-click is sent to server, server resolves the actions in terms of inventories instead of formspec elements, then sends updated content t oclient)
19:22 sfan5 wow
19:22 Warr1024 I'd hope that at least making it easier to drop items into an inventory slot, and harder to miss and hit the spaces between, shouldn't be too hard...
19:22 PilzAdam this brings us to the point that we need better prediction of inventory movements and crafting in the client
19:22 SmugLeaf 15:35:34 < Jordach> my dad shot down a pigeon and there's an advert in the UK called funky pigeon where he rides a purple motorcycle; hilarity ensues:
19:22 SmugLeaf DAT MOPED
19:22 Warr1024 you are rapidly taking this conversation over my head, PilzAdam :-)
19:22 sfan5 I think that were the most platforms I ever built one thing for... (just released vesion 0.1.9 of my spk format)
19:22 Jordach SmugLeaf, dat copy
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19:23 SmugLeaf woah I was scrolled up
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19:23 SmugLeaf like
19:23 SmugLeaf shit
19:24 PilzAdam Warr1024, Id rather point you to these todo-things in that area now, rather when you wasted some actual time on coding a useless thing :-)
19:24 Warr1024 true dat
19:24 Warr1024 is there some master wishlist?
19:24 Warr1024 or is github issues the best place to dig?
19:24 sfan5 github issues
19:25 PilzAdam the github issue tracker is quite arbitrary
19:25 PilzAdam random people can write random things in there
19:25 PilzAdam !dev todo
19:25 thexyz lol no
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19:25 thexyz stupid useless bot
19:26 john_minetest Hey, I am looking for a server with a goal like building a middleage city or something like that.
19:26 jojoa1997 hi
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19:26 MinetestBot sfan5: FIXME!
19:27 Miner_48er john_minetest kingArthur
19:27 john_minetest Is there interact by default?
19:27 john_minetest I want to join with a friend
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19:27 VanessaE anyone who grants interact by default is just asking for trouble....
19:28 john_minetest And he wants to make something with a goal - so no building around for fun but real building.
19:28 Miner_48er no have to register on there website
19:28 VanessaE their*
19:28 PilzAdam Im actually quite curious how a pilztest survival server would work with interact by default on a server
19:29 eythen king-arthur isnt for fun??? ;) wierd ... well king-arthur's server builds stay ;)
19:29 PilzAdam are griefers patient enough to break nodes in pilztest?
19:29 PilzAdam I mean, it takes about 5 minutes to be able to break dirt
19:29 john_minetest VanessaE: I'll look if I find some nice project on your servers
19:30 VanessaE john_minetest: you're welcome to build in any style you want on my servers of course.
19:30 john_minetest Now I need ideas
19:30 PilzAdam .... and I still need a real name for pilztest
19:30 john_minetest Maybe a middleage town on a hill
19:30 Warr1024 pilztest isn't a real enough name? :-)
19:30 john_minetest with city wall
19:34 Jordach john_minetest, MT nostaligia
19:34 Jordach i built something like that there :P
19:34 john_minetest ip?
19:34 Jordach vanessae.mine.bz 30002
19:35 john_minetest I just want to build a town on any server. Best would be a server without much mods
19:35 Jordach john_minetest, i'd help out, if my vps fucking arrived
19:36 john_minetest hmm
19:36 kaeza MT Nostalgia is pretty light
19:36 kaeza tries to emulate 0.3.x gameplay
19:37 Calinou <PilzAdam> .... and I still need a real name for pilztest
19:37 Calinou mushroomtest
19:37 thexyz +1
19:38 Jordach boringtest :D
19:39 PilzAdam Testtest
19:39 VanessaE heh
19:39 john_minetest Zliptest
19:39 * Jordach keeps waiting for the VPS
19:39 Jordach then it's time to setup VNC and xfce
19:40 Jordach and iceweasel *sigh*
19:40 thexyz xfce on vps? wat
19:40 Jordach thexyz, it works for me
19:40 thexyz fuck
19:40 thexyz fuck
19:40 PilzAdam windows user needs gui
19:40 thexyz well, that'll be hilarious
19:41 Jordach PilzAdam, im a lazy person, and a lazy person gets things done fastewr
19:41 Jordach faster*
19:41 thexyz lol
19:41 thexyz you don't even
19:41 PilzAdam Jordach, CLI is faster than GUI
19:41 thexyz you don't have an idea how wrong you are
19:41 thexyz or you're trolling
19:41 PilzAdam generally, no exception
19:41 thexyz (which I doubt, tbh)
19:42 thexyz hmmm.. okay, Jordach, what do you plan to use it for?
19:42 Jordach minetest.
19:42 thexyz lol
19:42 thexyz okay, and why do you need xfce? also, what specs does it have?
19:44 thexyz Jordach: ^
19:46 thexyz don't pretend you aren't here
19:47 sfan5 MinetestBot: FIXYOU!
19:49 MinetestBot sfan5: give me the ability to do that!
19:49 john_minetest sfan5: You are doing it wrong
19:49 john_minetest !fixyou
19:49 john_minetest That's how it's done
19:50 sfan5 MinetestBot: read a python tutorial and then fix yourself
19:50 sfan5 !dev TODO
19:50 sfan5 hm :-/
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19:51 stormchaser3000 hi
19:51 stormchaser3000 hi
19:51 stormchaser3000 lol
19:51 sfan5 what is wrong with you?
19:52 sfan5 what is wrong with you?
19:52 sfan5 lol
19:52 john_minetest sfan5: what?  I don't understand...
19:52 john_minetest sfan5: what?  I don't understand...
19:52 john_minetest lol
19:52 stormchaser3000 lol
19:52 john_minetest lol
19:52 john_minetest lol
19:52 john_minetest was kicked by ShadowBot: Repetition flood detected.
19:52 stormchaser3000 spams lol 50000 times and gets kicked by shadow bot
19:52 sfan5 haha
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19:52 john_minetest :P
19:53 stormchaser3000 lol
19:53 PilzAdam its funny how 50% of the conversation consists of "lol"
19:53 PilzAdam its funny how 50% of the conversation consists of "lol"
19:53 john_minetest Hmmm...
19:53 PilzAdam lol
19:53 stormchaser3000 lol
19:54 john_minetest it is 1/3 :D
19:54 john_minetest it is 1/3 :D
19:54 john_minetest lol
19:54 john_minetest Let's all join one single server and hang out there
19:54 sfan5 no
19:54 sfan5 no
19:54 sfan5 lol
19:54 stormchaser3000 ok what server
19:54 stormchaser3000 ok what server
19:54 stormchaser3000 lol
19:55 PilzAdam john_minetest, I thought about a flashmob in a server once
19:55 PilzAdam but I think there arent enough people
19:55 john_minetest It would be awesome
19:55 thexyz okay, for one moment I thought something weird happened to my irssi
19:55 stormchaser3000 that woul dbe awesome
19:55 stormchaser3000 would*
19:55 stormchaser3000 be*
19:55 sfan5 hahaha
19:55 john_minetest Let's do this on some server in a few moments. I'll try to get as many people as possible
19:56 PilzAdam wow, 100 people here
19:56 PilzAdam (we just ignore the 3 bots ;-))
19:57 sfan5 !devwiki test
19:57 thexyz seriously? devwiki instead of dev?
19:58 thexyz and the reason is..?
19:58 sfan5 you can use !dev !devwik or !devwiki
19:59 stormchaser3000 hmm sfan i am going to join you rsurvival server
20:00 stormchaser3000 oh wait is it up?
20:00 sfan5 nope, I deleted it
20:00 john_minetest Who is active here and will join the flashmob?
20:00 john_minetest +1
20:00 stormchaser3000 i can't fin dit on the list
20:00 stormchaser3000 :(
20:00 PilzAdam john_minetest, +1
20:00 stormchaser3000 i could tell
20:00 stormchaser3000 sorry bu tthat server lagge a lot
20:01 stormchaser3000 it woul take me 1 minute to load 1 chunk of land
20:01 john_minetest What server could we join?
20:01 john_minetest Any suggestions?
20:01 stormchaser3000 and the hunger games server lagges raely badly to
20:02 stormchaser3000 hmmm server
20:02 stormchaser3000 lol redcrab.suret.net port 30401
20:02 sfan5 stormchaser3000: maybe it is your internet
20:03 sfan5 the hunger games server is hosted with 1,6MB/s down and 160KB/s up
20:03 stormchaser3000 good point i have 14.7 kb a sec internet
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20:03 sfan5 then it is your internet
20:03 john_minetest lol. 1.5 MB
20:04 thexyz > 160KB/s up
20:04 thexyz nigga
20:04 proller sky ready for anything
20:04 thexyz sky server is pretty fun, actually
20:05 stormchaser3000 i am logging in to redcrab.suret.net with prolers client
20:06 sfan5 "proler"
20:08 proller thexyz, * now with cave trees ;)
20:10 proller peoples requesting more cave life, like glowing mushrooms
20:11 proller now too dark by default
20:12 stormchaser3000 ok proller
20:12 sfan5 glowing mushrooms <3
20:12 sfan5 !devwiki TODO
20:12 MinetestBot "Configure button is totally broken" - http://dev.minetest.net/TODO
20:12 sfan5 why does this work now?
20:13 stormchaser3000 the only server i cannot get on with your fork is kaeza's survival server
20:14 kaeza pong
20:14 stormchaser3000 oh ans kaeza am i banned from your server i cannot get on
20:15 stormchaser3000 it disconnects me
20:15 kaeza hm?
20:15 VanessaE if you were banned, it would tell you so
20:15 stormchaser3000 and then my internet glitches up and i hav eto restart my computer
20:15 VanessaE your OS is busted.
20:15 VanessaE fix it.
20:15 stormchaser3000 no it never tells me about being abnned
20:15 VanessaE your OS is busted.
20:15 VanessaE fix it.
20:15 stormchaser3000 good point it is
20:15 stormchaser3000 i am using windows 8
20:16 Jordach stormchaser3000, your internet speed is your problem
20:16 Jordach minetest needs way more than 15kb
20:16 stormchaser3000 (it glitches like f***ing crud)
20:17 stormchaser3000 i want to install linux
20:17 sfan5 then do that
20:17 stormchaser3000 i sthere a way to do that
20:17 stormchaser3000 i don't kno whow to
20:17 stormchaser3000 ima download linux ubuntu when i get to
20:17 stormchaser3000 aka like tomarow
20:18 sfan5 use xubuntu it is way better than ubuntu
20:18 VanessaE XFCE Is Your Friend.™
20:18 stormchaser3000 when my internet speeds up to like to like 500 something kb a asec
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20:18 stormchaser3000 second*
20:19 stormchaser3000 hmmmi will lobrb
20:19 stormchaser3000 brb
20:19 stormchaser3000 sorry
20:19 stormchaser3000 my laptop is almost out of battary
20:19 iqualfragile lulz
20:19 iqualfragile 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=65535 ttl=50 time=31.0 ms
20:19 iqualfragile 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=0 ttl=50 time=26.2 ms
20:20 Jordach i smell a netbook
20:20 Jordach NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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20:21 * Jordach pets MinetestBot
20:21 sfan5 YES!
20:21 sfan5 PilzAdam: fixed !devwiki
20:22 VanessaE iqualfragile: great, now the Googleplex has your IP address :P
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20:25 * MinetestBot meows at Jordach
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20:28 stormchaser3000 ok back
20:29 stormchaser3000 sfan how do i install xubuntu
20:30 VanessaE burn the image to a USB stick, boot, click "Install Xubuntu", use some common sense when answering questions.
20:30 sfan5 go into control panel -> system and look if you see 64-bit there
20:30 VanessaE 30-45 mins later:  done!
20:30 stormchaser3000 i know
20:30 VanessaE oh, wubi? :P
20:30 stormchaser3000 i use a 64 bit system
20:30 stormchaser3000 i have an acer i3 core
20:30 stormchaser3000 64bit laptop
20:30 sfan5 stormchaser3000: http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/mirror/cdi​mage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/13.10/​release/xubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso
20:31 sfan5 burn that to a dvd and boot from it
20:31 sfan5 use http://cdburnerxp.se/en/home if you don't have a program to burn dvds
20:34 stormchaser3000 i don't have any dvds
20:34 stormchaser3000 :(
20:34 stormchaser3000 i have cds
20:34 VanessaE write the image to CD then
20:34 stormchaser3000 ok
20:34 VanessaE if it'll fit
20:34 stormchaser3000 when i get home
20:34 stormchaser3000 i am in a car right now
20:34 VanessaE use the "alternate" install image if you have to
20:35 VanessaE are you driving?
20:35 stormchaser3000 no
20:35 VanessaE ok
20:35 stormchaser3000 my mom is
20:35 sfan5 stormchaser3000: do you live in US or UK?
20:35 stormchaser3000 us
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20:35 sfan5 hm
20:36 sfan5 the us mirror isn't updated yet
20:36 sfan5 get µTorrent and use http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/r​eleases/saucy/release/desktop/xubun​tu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
20:36 Calinou xubuntu :D
20:36 stormchaser3000 ok so i use utorren tto download
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20:40 pitriss sfan5: I got some idea.. Is possible to do that favorite list will remember also nickname last used on server?
20:40 sfan5 post that on the forum or talk about it in #minetest-dev
20:41 pitriss ok..
20:41 roguejedi79 Recently installed rubenwardy's food mod on my server. Can not seem to find any recipe guides. Can any one point me in correct direction?
20:42 sfan5 !google food mod rubenwardy site:forum.minetest.net
20:42 sfan5 !g food mod rubenwardy site:forum.minetest.net
20:42 MinetestBot sfan5: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?id=2960&amp;p=2
20:43 roguejedi79 Yes. Found that. Can't find recipe guide within the posts though
20:43 Evergreen He hasn't made it yet
20:43 Evergreen According to the topic
20:43 sfan5 roguejedi79: try reading the lines containing "register_craft" here https://github.com/rubenwardy/​food/blob/master/init.lua#L125
20:44 VanessaE I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only person who does good, comprehensive crafting guides for her mods...
20:44 Evergreen I do.  :P
20:45 Evergreen I go to the trouble of taking a screenshot of every crafting recipe and crop it in gimp (plus some editing)
20:45 VanessaE ok you and I then :)
20:46 roguejedi79 That helps. What about a graphical guide for combining ingredients?
20:47 Evergreen IT appears he hasn't made one yet
20:47 Evergreen People:   Be sure you have screenshots of all your crafting recipes before you post the topic
20:48 kaeza roguejedi79, see craft_guide or unified_inventory
20:48 Evergreen ^
20:48 VanessaE Evergreen: and be sure you describe what goes into the recipe!
20:48 VanessaE not everyone can tell what each icon is
20:48 Evergreen I'll go ahead and do that
20:50 kaeza sfan5, maybe a !fs (forum search) command could be added that is the same as !g except it automatically adds site:forum.minetest.net ?
20:51 sfan5 notabadidea.tga
20:51 kaeza (assuming there is none already)
20:51 sfan5 no
20:51 sfan5 we have
20:51 sfan5 !sfu celeron*
20:51 MinetestBot celeron55 Administrator 355 posts, registered on 2011-04-19 | id: 2
20:51 MinetestBot Celeron56 Banned 1 posts, registered on 2012-08-28 | id: 2834
20:51 sfan5 but that search users
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20:52 Warr1024 it seems as though you can place a node into another node of the same type, if they're buildable_to,and it destroys the node you're replacing, consuming one from your inventory.
20:53 Warr1024 doesn't it seem as though the default behavior should be to refuse to replace the node in question if the node type is already the same as the one you're replacing?
20:53 kaeza Warr1024, that depends
20:53 Warr1024 like, I have wheat seeds
20:53 Warr1024 I right-click on some farm land and plant one
20:53 kaeza grass is 6 nodes or so actually
20:53 Warr1024 then, if I mis-click and replace the original one, it wastes a seed.
20:53 VanessaE kaeza: I think he means if get_node().name == itemstack.name
20:54 Warr1024 yeah
20:54 VanessaE (well, that's not syntactically correct)
20:54 Warr1024 even if you wanted to "reconfigure" the node, e.g. with the grass having different heights, it would be nice if it didn't destroy one.
20:54 kaeza VanessaE, I got that part
20:54 john_minetest !sfu jmf
20:54 MinetestBot jmf Member 161 posts, registered on 2012-11-05 | id: 3464
20:55 kaeza but when you place grass (for example), it randomly picks one if grass_1 grass_5 (or so)
20:55 john_minetest !sfu kaeza
20:55 MinetestBot kaeza Moderator 1,369 posts, registered on 2012-10-18 | id: 3279
20:55 john_minetest wow
20:55 kaeza s/if/of/
20:55 Warr1024 kaeza: you mean the node names are different, and that's not juse a param?
20:56 Warr1024 well, maybe matching node_name could be the default logic, and special code could be used for interchangeable stuff like grass...
20:56 kaeza Warr1024, I mean that some nodes/items use special handling to "place" themselves
20:56 kaeza it's doable of course
20:56 Warr1024 maybe this isn't so much an issue in MT as in the farming mod in MT_game...
20:57 Warr1024 where else is buildable_to used?
20:57 Warr1024 liquids aren't really a great example, since you can't directly pick them up.
20:58 PilzAdam bye
21:01 kaeza Warr1024, simply add a check in grass' on_place to not replace the node if it matches "default:grass_[1-5]"
21:01 kaeza same for seeds
21:01 Warr1024 yeah, I'd have to do that for all the buildable_to plants in farming and submit a pull req.
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21:33 iqualfragile VanessaE: luckily i do not have a static one );
21:43 Jordach i havent seen THAT JS for some time
21:43 Jordach finally found somewhere where dragging over text doesnt highlight it
21:46 Jordach > kaeza Moderator
21:46 Jordach wut
21:47 Jordach oh, Menche too
21:47 Jordach Menche, kaeza: welcome to the club :P
21:47 kaeza o/
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21:57 Jordach hello Evergreen
21:57 Evergreen hey
21:57 Jordach my internal batteries are going
21:57 Jordach running near 10%
21:58 Jordach -!- System life: Est. time remaining: 2hrs 6min
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22:14 kaeza > is at home
22:14 kaeza > uses laptop
22:14 kaeza > bitches about battery life
22:31 john_minetest ...
22:31 john_minetest It is 0:31 in middle europe.
22:31 john_minetest So it should be -7 hours in US.
22:32 john_minetest Why is nobody talking?
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22:38 Peacock how do i download the engine source with an unpulled pull? (#960 specifically)
22:39 VanessaE Peacock: clone git master first, then do,  git pull <address> <branchname>
22:41 VanessaE in that case, git pull git@github.com:celeron55/minetest.git set_sky
22:41 Peacock so in the terminal i would do..:
22:41 VanessaE should do it.
22:41 Peacock clone git minetest:master
22:41 Peacock then
22:41 VanessaE then cd minetest; git pull git@github.com:celeron55/minetest.git set_sky
22:41 Peacock aiight lemme try that now
22:41 Peacock will it create a new folder? (should i rename my current minetest folder?)
22:42 VanessaE it'll add that branch to your local copy and merge it into git master, locally only
22:42 VanessaE then you just build (and perhaps install) it as usual
22:43 Peacock :/ bash: clone: command not found
22:43 Menche git clone, not clone git
22:43 Peacock ah lol
22:44 Menche git clone git://github.com/minetest/minetest
22:44 Peacock there we go :)
22:46 Peacock ugh, got some sort of RSA key error when doing git pull :/
22:46 VanessaE then use https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git
22:47 VanessaE git pull  https://github.com/celeron55/minetest.git set_sky
22:47 john_minetest nsa.gov is down... lol
22:47 Menche isn't the ssh protocol mainly for if you want to push commits?
22:47 Peacock aiight, nano opened up in the terminal, do i write out and exit or am i supposed to change something?
22:47 VanessaE it works both ways.
22:48 VanessaE Peacock: it gave you a merge commit?
22:48 Menche with a commit message for the merge? should probably just save and exit
22:48 VanessaE just save/exit.
22:48 Peacock says merge branch 'set_sky' ... yeah
22:49 Peacock aiight, i think it's done lol
22:49 Peacock jesus, learning mandarin would be more fun lol
22:49 VanessaE ok, now build/install as usual.
22:51 Peacock *is building* gonna see if i can make a space game with a real nice star map background
22:51 VanessaE Peacock: I believe jojoa1997 once asked for a nice moon-based server :)
22:51 Peacock well moon is still ground level, so gameplay would be more or less the same :/
22:52 Peacock was thinking of neutralizing the mapgen by setting all the aliases to air, and using paramats asteroid mapgen
22:52 VanessaE well, it could be eternal daytime with a black sky, low gravity, and nothing but regolith to work with :)
22:52 VanessaE you don't have to do that, just set it to singlenode.
22:52 VanessaE afaik that single node is air by default.
22:53 Peacock besides isn't there already a moon game? i thought i saw something on the forums for that
22:53 VanessaE idk
22:53 Peacock singlenode air mapgen?
22:53 Peacock that might be easier on the CPU
22:53 VanessaE yep.
22:53 Peacock how does one setup singlenode?
22:54 VanessaE you just select it when you create the world.
22:54 VanessaE instead of v6
22:54 Peacock and air's the default? sounds e-z enough
22:54 VanessaE I think so
22:54 Evergreen Yeah, it is
22:55 Peacock foor space though i'd have to make typical air drownable, and add a similiar oxygen node
22:55 Peacock http://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/Inflatable_space_habitat
22:56 NakedFury I got a new space game. Space Engineers
22:57 NakedFury really fun to make a voxel ship and crash it
22:58 Peacock this one? v
22:58 Peacock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3b9e_KWO-I
22:58 NakedFury yup
22:58 Peacock looks pretty cool
22:58 NakedFury still early alpha. I can build small or big ships
22:58 NakedFury and crash them
22:59 NakedFury for now only creative mode so blocks are built instantly
22:59 Peacock are they giving away the alphas? dont feel like paying for another might-never-be-finished game lol
22:59 Menche i've tried starmade. it's fun, but difficult to get the player facing in the right direction to build stuff.
22:59 NakedFury no. pay $15
23:00 Menche has different planets
23:00 NakedFury starmade is also fun
23:00 Peacock yeah fuck that lol alot of alpha games asking for money don't get finished lately
23:00 Menche it's free of charge iirc
23:00 NakedFury starmade was being sold for like $3
23:01 Menche doesn't look like it
23:02 NakedFury this game is still free to play. Buying the game is a pre-purchase of the full game.
23:02 NakedFury its $6 now.
23:02 Peacock i'd be interested in buying either game if they were actually finished
23:03 Menche wonder if something like that could work in minetest. convert the ship to entities and attach them to each other, then attach the player to the cockpit?
23:03 NakedFury http://www.pcgamer.com/gallery/14-space-games-​you-should-be-excited-about-right-now/rodina/
23:03 Peacock are you nuts? lol converting all the nodes to entities
23:03 NakedFury that would be awesome menche
23:03 Menche probably be too slow?
23:03 NakedFury minetest doesnt need more entities problems.
23:04 Peacock would probably kill your CPU in singleplayer, never mind many people flying around doing battle :P
23:04 NakedFury its already bad
23:04 Menche and put some really low limit on the number of nodes in it :p
23:04 Peacock what would make more sense is to use vmanip to remove the ship to subspace
23:04 Peacock subspace would be a layer of the map totally cut off from the rest
23:05 Peacock you could fake travel that way
23:05 Peacock but still, the map in all is still only 60km from end to end, do you really need warp speed for that?
23:06 Menche even fast move would take a while to go that distance
23:06 Menche I remember holding down we for a few minutes to cross a 2km tunnel on redcrab's server
23:07 VanessaE a human can run rather fast though in-game  - like 72 km/h or so
23:07 Menche lol
23:08 Menche of course the problem with going really fast is that the blocks may not load that fast
23:09 VanessaE on simpler servers, they can
23:09 VanessaE the base mapgen is really fast now
23:09 Menche but if you add some sort of warp vehicle thing to go, say 3 times fast_move speed, they may not
23:10 VanessaE that much is true, but if it's warp, then you'd more or less just be teleporting :)
23:10 VanessaE at warp 1 you'd still cross the map in like 0.2 sec
23:10 Peacock dunno, with the minetest engine is best to aim for the attainable: building bases and  colonies,  and *small* transit vehicles
23:11 VanessaE a portal or warp effect that allows you to jump between servers should be easy to make
23:11 Peacock trying to convert a bunch of nodes to entities may work for airship mod, but you can't build giant ships with that
23:11 Menche between servers? now that would be cool.
23:11 Peacock inter-server teleportation would be cool yeah :-) in the meantime we fake it with layered realms
23:12 NakedFury connect different servers together into a super server
23:12 NakedFury have 1 acting as the central HUB
23:12 Menche supplement the serverlist with a metaserver
23:12 NakedFury that is done in Minecraft for a server that has many game modes
23:12 Peacock easier might be : to run several maps on the same server
23:13 Peacock then you'd have teleport(mapname, pos)
23:13 Peacock inter-server teleportation breaks down one of the servers changes addresses/ports or is down
23:13 Peacock *when one
23:14 Peacock then you could use voxmynips to remove a 'ship' from one map to place on another map, on the same overall server
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23:17 Peacock would also help the fast moving of ships if you could give different nodes a unique name/identifier, so you wouldn't have to check against blueprints, origin/destination reference pos's,
23:17 Peacock like a ship registry
23:32 Peacock Not bad: http://s18.postimg.org/y9lqil​5nd/screenshot_4059386426.png
23:35 Menche cool
23:35 VanessaE very nice
23:40 Peacock though i might propose in addition to skybox, a "wraparound" type, cuz skybox takes 6 square textures like nodes
23:41 Menche wasn't skybox already supported?
23:41 Peacock #960, unpulled yet but im testing it now
23:41 Peacock so far so good
23:41 Menche thought i remembered skybox textures before. was that before the sun/moon maybe?
23:41 VanessaE Menche: back in 0.3.x
23:41 Peacock ancient minetest version yeah
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23:46 dumdidum hello, one question :) are all ores from the more ores mod merged into minetest_game? i thought i ask befor i start searching for tin ^^
23:49 Menche i think everything except tin
23:49 Menche bronze is copper + steel i believe
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23:51 stormchaser3000 hi
23:51 dumdidum yes, bronze is copper and steel
23:51 stormchaser3000 what servers are you all playing on
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23:56 NewCoder anunakki, Hi!!
23:56 * NewCoder dances to see anunakki
23:59 john_minetest so true: http://www.getdigital.de/web/getdig​ital/gfx/products/__generated__resi​zed/380x380/Algorithm_Ruecken.jpg

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