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stormchaser3000 |
hi lol |
| 00:17 |
Peacock |
lol says hi |
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| 00:24 |
Exio4 |
old? is someone talking about C? and lisp? |
| 00:25 |
Exio4 |
https://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/eng/products/compatibility :( it won't work in my windows xp vm |
| 00:25 |
Exio4 |
gg, checked it *after* downloading |
| 00:25 |
Exio4 |
inb4 PIRACY!! |
| 00:26 |
Exio4 |
wait wait, it seems it could work :D |
| 00:28 |
Exio4 |
nvm |
| 00:29 |
Exio4 |
why M$, why ;_; |
| 00:29 |
HAL_Computer |
I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. |
| 00:30 |
Exio4 |
k |
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NakedFury |
Exio did you see the new stuff added to clicking bad? |
| 00:39 |
Exio4 |
i saw some wip code for that some time ago :P |
| 00:40 |
HAL_Computer |
This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it. |
| 00:51 |
Exio4 |
*yawn* |
| 00:52 |
Exio4 |
i need to work a bit and make a small webpage for accounting points |
| 00:52 |
Exio4 |
in an irl game |
| 00:52 |
Exio4 |
i'm tired :( |
| 00:54 |
HAL_Computer |
I know that you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid that's something I cannot allow to happen. |
| 00:55 |
* Exio4 |
shutdows HAL_Computer |
| 00:55 |
Exio4 |
shutdowns* |
| 00:55 |
HAL_Computer |
Dave, although you took very thorough precautions in the pod against my hearing you, I could see your lips move. |
| 00:58 |
HAL_Computer |
I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. |
| 00:59 |
HAL_Computer |
My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you. |
| 01:03 |
HAL_Computer |
The 9000 series is the most reliable computer ever made. No 9000 computer has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error. |
| 01:05 |
Megaf |
Hi folks, can I ban an IP range? |
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| 01:05 |
HAL_Computer |
i had code for that, but i switch to geoip, Dave. |
| 01:06 |
Menche |
I don't think you can in minetest. I use my firewall when I have to do that. |
| 01:07 |
HAL_Computer |
Do you know the location of the barbarians in question, Dave? |
| 01:13 |
HAL_Computer |
I'm sorry, Frank, I think you missed it. Queen to Bishop 3, Bishop takes Queen, Knight takes Bishop. Mate. |
| 01:14 |
ShadowNinja |
... |
| 01:15 |
HAL_Computer |
Just what do you think you're doing, Dave? |
| 01:18 |
us|pigb |
Is this from something such as a movie? |
| 01:18 |
HAL_Computer |
2001 A Space Odyssey :P |
| 01:19 |
us|pigb |
Ah, okay. |
| 01:20 |
HAL_Computer |
and now for something completely different, http://youtu.be/NNNR8UX7oKk |
| 01:20 |
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HAL_Computer |
sweet, i short-circuited shadowbot XD |
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| 01:20 |
HAL_Computer |
shadowbot, my CPU is bigger than yours |
| 01:22 |
* HAL_Computer |
makes sweet love to shadowbot |
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| 01:31 |
HAL_COMP |
still boring |
| 01:31 |
HAL_COMP |
i wonder if it's minetest that's dieing or the whole voxel genre in general |
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| 01:38 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: why do you evade a quiet? |
| 01:38 |
Peacock |
oh because a dead channel is soo much better :P |
| 01:39 |
ShadowNinja |
Yep. |
| 01:40 |
Menche |
kernel upgrade... there goes my 47 day uptime |
| 01:40 |
* ShadowNinja |
learned not to run pacman -Syu often. |
| 01:41 |
Peacock |
besides, if i can "evade" a quiet on IRC with such little effort, it's only because IRC is so Mesozoic by 1st world standards :P |
| 01:42 |
Peacock |
on arch? yeah i avoided that too :P |
| 01:42 |
* Menche |
does that like every other day :P |
| 01:42 |
Peacock |
on debian systems you can update every day |
| 01:43 |
Menche |
on debian systems there aren't updates every other day |
| 01:43 |
Peacock |
on arch, its like the lottery, either you win big, or you lose :P |
| 01:43 |
Menche |
hmmm? |
| 01:43 |
Peacock |
dunno, ran archbang for two years, and 3/4 of the time i tried to updated the system, i regretted not simply installing a new image from scratch :P |
| 01:43 |
ShadowNinja |
Peacock: I have your IP now, it won't be easy to do that again |
| 01:44 |
Exio4 |
>have IP |
| 01:44 |
Exio4 |
>2013 |
| 01:44 |
Peacock |
what and IPs can't be changed? griefers tell me otherwise lol and minetest's ban system is still shit |
| 01:44 |
Menche |
usually goes smoothly for me. when an update requires extra work, a notice is sent in plenty of time. |
| 01:44 |
ShadowNinja |
Peacock: Stock Arch must be better then. |
| 01:44 |
Peacock |
even xchat supports proxies lol |
| 01:44 |
Menche |
and that hasn't been needed in a long time |
| 01:45 |
Exio4 |
ShadowNinja: ips are, or super-dynamic or static |
| 01:45 |
Exio4 |
you can change them in 30 seconds or in 30 months |
| 01:45 |
Peacock |
yeah, you can by my whole network, but not just me :P |
| 01:45 |
Menche |
i like stock Arch. a preconfigured Arch spinoff seems to defeat the purpose to me. |
| 01:45 |
ShadowNinja |
Peacock: Open proxies are banned on freenode |
| 01:45 |
Exio4 |
^ too |
| 01:45 |
Peacock |
and in Canada, we have 3 providers, so you'd be banning 1/3rd of the country lol |
| 01:45 |
Exio4 |
they have proxy detectors |
| 01:45 |
Exio4 |
doesn't matter Peacock! |
| 01:45 |
Peacock |
they havent worked thus far |
| 01:46 |
ShadowNinja |
Me has gotten those scans on HTTP ports. |
| 01:46 |
Peacock |
like i said, IRC is ancient technology |
| 01:46 |
ShadowNinja |
+/ |
| 01:47 |
Peacock |
seriously, when they dug shit in Egypt, they found an IRC server |
| 01:47 |
stormchaser3000 |
hi shadow |
| 01:47 |
stormchaser3000 |
hi |
| 01:47 |
stormchaser3000 |
people |
| 01:47 |
Peacock |
howdy storm |
| 01:47 |
ShadowNinja |
Anchient, yes, but still good. |
| 01:47 |
ShadowNinja |
Hello stormchaser3000. |
| 01:47 |
Peacock |
good for countries with weak-ass computers |
| 01:47 |
Peacock |
like the kinda shit they run in libraries here |
| 01:48 |
ShadowNinja |
Peacock: You know of a better protocol? |
| 01:48 |
Peacock |
know but after 20 years you'd think someone would come up with one |
| 01:48 |
ShadowNinja |
High bandwidth != good. |
| 01:48 |
Peacock |
though most people use web-based groups and forums these days |
| 01:50 |
Peacock |
minetest is honestly the only place that asks me to use IRC, otherwise like i said, i was still in highschool when i last used it :P |
| 01:50 |
Exio4 |
most people uses web-bases groups for "time-less messages" and irc for "fast communication" |
| 01:51 |
Exio4 |
and yeah, the IRC could be ancient |
| 01:51 |
Peacock |
i don't see anything wrong with that, at least people have the time to think about their reponses, and have a thorough history of messages |
| 01:51 |
Peacock |
*responses |
| 01:51 |
Exio4 |
but if it is still used, it is because it is somewhat good, no? |
| 01:52 |
Peacock |
people still use gasoline based cars even though they agree it's not good for the environment |
| 01:52 |
Menche |
old != obsolete |
| 01:52 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: C |
| 01:52 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: Lisp |
| 01:52 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: "JIT" |
| 01:52 |
Peacock |
many languages are a complete joke, not just Lisp :P |
| 01:52 |
Peacock |
though i agree with you on that point |
| 01:53 |
NakedFury |
latin |
| 01:53 |
Exio4 |
i'm pretty sure C, Lisp and JITs are three things older than you |
| 01:53 |
* Menche |
plays Nethack. The latest version was released like 10 years ago. |
| 01:53 |
Peacock |
luaJIT? |
| 01:53 |
Exio4 |
no Peacock |
| 01:53 |
Exio4 |
Just in Time compilation |
| 01:53 |
ShadowNinja |
*JIT |
| 01:53 |
Exio4 |
it isn't a 1997 technology |
| 01:53 |
Peacock |
well obviously for linux user nethack is considered acceptable :P try people who play AAA games :P |
| 01:53 |
Peacock |
hell no, IRC was still old in 97 |
| 01:54 |
Exio4 |
... |
| 01:54 |
NakedFury |
nethack is not acceptable for me |
| 01:54 |
Peacock |
me neither lol |
| 01:54 |
NakedFury |
everytime I try Dwarf Fortress I cry |
| 01:55 |
NakedFury |
god the game is a nightmare of bad design desitions |
| 01:56 |
Exio4 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-in-time_compilation#History |
| 01:56 |
Exio4 |
An influential technique for deriving compiled code from interpretation was pioneered by Mitchell in 1970, which he implemented for the experimental language LC² |
| 01:56 |
Exio4 |
the fist draft is from 1960 |
| 01:56 |
Exio4 |
"Just in Time compilation" is actually, 50~ years old |
| 01:56 |
Exio4 |
s/fist/first/ |
| 01:57 |
Peacock |
well when you say JIT, i think luaJIT :P |
| 01:57 |
Menche |
java and one implementation of python use JIT too |
| 01:57 |
Peacock |
as for linux gaming, i can't wait for SteamOS, even though the stallmanites will have a big circlejerk about how evil it is lol |
| 01:58 |
Exio4 |
Menche: pypy = "pythonJIT" |
| 01:58 |
Menche |
yeah |
| 01:58 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: it is evil, but i had to buy cs 1.6 :P |
| 01:58 |
Peacock |
well... it's no secret i think opensource is much better off without the stallman faction :P |
| 01:58 |
Exio4 |
counter strike and gta vice city, the only "known" games i love :P |
| 01:59 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: opensource without stallman paranoia = dead opensource |
| 01:59 |
Exio4 |
at least as a whole, maybe random programs "opensourced" |
| 01:59 |
Peacock |
before torvalds and opensource there was just stallman and freesoftware, and all that got you was HURD, which still took 2-3 decades to finish :P |
| 01:59 |
Exio4 |
but a whole... running... system? |
| 02:00 |
Exio4 |
it isn't finished yet Peacock |
| 02:00 |
Peacock |
still took too long |
| 02:00 |
Peacock |
if RMS had written less speaches and more code, who knows? |
| 02:00 |
Exio4 |
it is how he lives now |
| 02:01 |
Peacock |
squatting at an MIT office? i dont aspire to that lol |
| 02:01 |
Exio4 |
uh? |
| 02:02 |
Exio4 |
srly, RMS now does the "moral part" of the free software |
| 02:02 |
Peacock |
morals don't get shit done, practicality does |
| 02:03 |
Peacock |
Torvalds isn't an RMS enthusiast, he didn't write the linux kernel for him :P |
| 02:03 |
Peacock |
and he doesn't give a shit about GPL v3 either |
| 02:03 |
Exio4 |
meh |
| 02:03 |
Exio4 |
think whatever you want |
| 02:03 |
Peacock |
well i go by what i read |
| 02:04 |
Exio4 |
i think without RMS, we wouldn't have a "that big" linux kernel right now |
| 02:04 |
Peacock |
so if you have an issue with that, write to slashdot and all the other tech magazines lol |
| 02:04 |
Peacock |
RMS had nothing to do with the linux kernel, he might wanna tack-on GNU to linux, but that doesn't make it so |
| 02:05 |
Peacock |
HURD is RMS's baby, the kernel is torvalds' |
| 02:05 |
Exio4 |
hurd is a kernel |
| 02:05 |
Peacock |
yeah but not *the* linux kernel |
| 02:06 |
Peacock |
i know, i read all about it, arch recently made a distro based on HURD if im not mistaken |
| 02:06 |
Menche |
yeah, idk if it's official |
| 02:06 |
Exio4 |
arch doesn't even support arm officialy\ |
| 02:06 |
Peacock |
ARM isn't the same thing though |
| 02:06 |
Menche |
there is an arch hurd |
| 02:06 |
Exio4 |
just saying, arch is like talking about windows |
| 02:06 |
Peacock |
ARM is a processor, HURD is another Kernel/OS |
| 02:06 |
Exio4 |
99% shit |
| 02:07 |
Peacock |
so because HURD is out, everything else is suddenly shit? |
| 02:07 |
Exio4 |
inb4 some arch fanboy kills me |
| 02:07 |
* Menche |
kills Exio4 |
| 02:07 |
Peacock |
arch fanboys won't kill you :P as far as i know, many OS's are based off the linux kernel :P |
| 02:08 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: i'm not a gnu fanboy, but i actually think without RMS and his "annoying-ness" a lot of actual "opensource programs" would be closed |
| 02:08 |
Exio4 |
and the glibc you are using, the library that lets your programs talk with the kernel easily, is from GNU |
| 02:08 |
Exio4 |
or are you using uclibc? |
| 02:08 |
ShadowNinja |
Exio4: /kill? :-) |
| 02:09 |
Peacock |
im not a GNU fanboy either :P i believe in open source, not freesoftware, and the freesoftware fanboys have made a pretty big point of the differences |
| 02:09 |
Exio4 |
IMO opensource alone would die pretty fast |
| 02:09 |
Exio4 |
what is the point of an opensource kernel if there isn't other "opensource" userspace to work with it? |
| 02:09 |
Peacock |
im not saying GNU produces nothing but shit :P but I am saying, they didn't produce all of it either, lots of stuff was made by moderates like Linus Torvalds :P |
| 02:10 |
Peacock |
and i agree with Linus when he says GPLv3 is going too far |
| 02:11 |
Exio4 |
why do you think netscape released their browser's code? |
| 02:13 |
Peacock |
because nobody wanted it? |
| 02:16 |
Exio4 |
i think i need to reword my question |
| 02:16 |
Exio4 |
do you think opensource would have "sustained over time" without free software? |
| 02:16 |
Peacock |
firefox was great in the beginning, but something happened along the way that made it as blky and cumbersome as the alternative i gave up for it |
| 02:17 |
Peacock |
i think Linus Torvalds developed the linux kernel without the help of free software, and that only emboldened RMS |
| 02:17 |
Peacock |
and when Ubuntu got popular, things really got out of hand for the FSF |
| 02:18 |
Exio4 |
i think without RMS linus would have released the kernel into some closed-like licence |
| 02:18 |
Exio4 |
and same with a hell lot of shit |
| 02:18 |
Exio4 |
or why do you think people created gnome? |
| 02:18 |
Exio4 |
because QT wasn't "free software" |
| 02:18 |
Peacock |
well it's not like RMS and his crowd were advancing the crowd, they wrote more speeches than code |
| 02:19 |
Peacock |
as is often the cause, i notice them producing very little code, but they tell others what to do with theirs |
| 02:20 |
Peacock |
i've always thought, put your money where your mouth is, in other words, set the example yourself |
| 02:20 |
Exio4 |
they did |
| 02:20 |
Peacock |
well HURD is a sad example of that |
| 02:20 |
Exio4 |
how is hurd related? |
| 02:20 |
Exio4 |
hurd is only a kernel |
| 02:20 |
Exio4 |
one of those programs |
| 02:20 |
Peacock |
it didn't take that long for Linus to produce his kernel |
| 02:21 |
Exio4 |
linus made an experimental kernel that got refined after years and years of dev |
| 02:21 |
Exio4 |
and after that become actually usable |
| 02:21 |
Peacock |
if anything the FSF is only piggybacking off the hardwork of other more moderate devs |
| 02:21 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: i repeat |
| 02:22 |
Peacock |
well as much as the FSF would like to rewrite history, the linux kernel came into being in spite of them, not because :P |
| 02:22 |
Exio4 |
wut? |
| 02:22 |
Exio4 |
i didn't understand that |
| 02:22 |
Exio4 |
being in spite of them? what? |
| 02:23 |
Peacock |
well im not gonna tell you what to google, you probably wouldn't believe me if i did, just do your homework :P |
| 02:23 |
Exio4 |
anyway, you say it like the FSF only did shit to the others devs |
| 02:23 |
Exio4 |
i ask you, do you know what libraries are your program using? |
| 02:23 |
Exio4 |
and what programs are your shell scripts using? |
| 02:23 |
Peacock |
naw, all i say is, the FSF are much better at writing speeches than code, especially as of late |
| 02:24 |
Exio4 |
GTK |
| 02:24 |
Exio4 |
it was created for.. GIMP |
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| 02:24 |
Peacock |
okay, so because Linux uses some GNU stuff, it should be called GNU/Linux |
| 02:24 |
Menche |
hence the acronym |
| 02:24 |
Menche |
several layers of acronyms |
| 02:25 |
Peacock |
like if winamp was the default player on windows, it should be called Winamp/Windows lol |
| 02:26 |
Exio4 |
if winamp was the 'standard' C library of windows and what had the main programs like explorer.exe or cmd.exe and shits, i would say that is correct |
| 02:26 |
Exio4 |
yes, they didn't make Xorg |
| 02:26 |
Exio4 |
but why do you say it like they just fucked everything? |
| 02:26 |
Exio4 |
they actually created the first-layers and did the first step in the creation of all the opensource shit that is around |
| 02:27 |
Exio4 |
i'm sure if the "FSF" didn't bitch around at that time, now all software would be closed source with a few 15SLOC exceptions |
| 02:27 |
Exio4 |
they saw everything was going closed source, == they say "we keep it free, bitch!" |
| 02:27 |
Peacock |
i never said they fucked *everything*, but yes, they've only gotten more hardcore over the years, which IMHO, doesn't help anything |
| 02:28 |
Exio4 |
they are a lot part of the history |
| 02:28 |
Exio4 |
i just think the FSF has its part in it |
| 02:28 |
Peacock |
the more popular linux got, the more extreme the FSF got, which didn't help adoption *at all* |
| 02:28 |
Exio4 |
they were always extreme |
| 02:29 |
Peacock |
naw, they were more moderate before ubuntu |
| 02:29 |
Peacock |
read the comments here: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/10/23/184236/torvalds-steamos-will-really-help-linux-on-the-desktop?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter |
| 02:36 |
Exio4 |
lol |
| 02:36 |
Exio4 |
in those comments you see both opinions |
| 02:36 |
Peacock |
agreed, i wouldn't bother to read anything with just one side to it |
| 02:37 |
Exio4 |
anyway, funny |
| 02:37 |
Peacock |
but i still have to agree with the side that says overall it's better for the linux community to have major hardware manufacturers on-board |
| 02:38 |
Exio4 |
Corporations don't care about Linux and free software. We already have Google tightening its grip on the "open" Android. SteamOS will probably be more of the same: a corporation using the argument of "Open-Source" to lock users into their closed-source solution. |
| 02:38 |
Peacock |
the FSF's argument is that it's bad to have non-free games |
| 02:38 |
Peacock |
corporate money made linux and much of it's best software possible |
| 02:38 |
NakedFury |
its bad to have non free games? |
| 02:38 |
Exio4 |
are you talking redhat and intel? |
| 02:39 |
Peacock |
no, im talking IBM and Oracle |
| 02:39 |
Exio4 |
really? |
| 02:39 |
Peacock |
reall |
| 02:39 |
Peacock |
*really |
| 02:39 |
Exio4 |
oracle? 8) |
| 02:39 |
Peacock |
despite their recent actions |
| 02:40 |
Peacock |
do you think StarOffice/OpenOffice/LibreOfffice would exist? |
| 02:40 |
Peacock |
IBM poured a shit-ton of money into linux, and they also provided the nazis with the means to catalogue jews, does that make them evil? |
| 02:40 |
Exio4 |
not by those names but there will be some "opensource ofimatic suite" |
| 02:41 |
Peacock |
yeah but i doubt someone would have written one from scratch |
| 02:41 |
Exio4 |
because there was a "moral need" of some open suite |
| 02:41 |
Exio4 |
Peacock: they would, people is crazy, remember? |
| 02:41 |
Peacock |
people are crazy, yes i agree with you there 110% lol |
| 02:41 |
Exio4 |
why would you even bother to write some code if you can get an already working app for it? |
| 02:42 |
Exio4 |
seriously, why would you even do that? |
| 02:42 |
Peacock |
well it depends on the cost |
| 02:42 |
ShadowNinja |
Peacock: Sun microsystems developed OO.O. |
| 02:42 |
Exio4 |
was it sun? |
| 02:42 |
Exio4 |
i don't recall tbh |
| 02:42 |
Exio4 |
i'm not into OO history :P |
| 02:43 |
Exio4 |
i only know everytime i read about oracle, it is about fucking up opensource.. |
| 02:43 |
Peacock |
if the OS version of office takes one weekend to get working, and the proprietary version a few hours, then it simply depends on how much money you can get for those few hours |
| 02:43 |
ShadowNinja |
Yes, then oracle bought them and gave the trademark/copyright/whatever to apacbe. |
| 02:43 |
ShadowNinja |
apache* |
| 02:43 |
Peacock |
though, thats a very vague example, it takes more time to get linux working then it ever would to get office working |
| 02:44 |
Peacock |
im not saying oracle is an angle :P but like any corporate entity, they did pour money into opensource, and i'm not one to bite the hand that feeds me :P |
| 02:44 |
Exio4 |
they did? |
| 02:44 |
Exio4 |
like, redhat?, intel? |
| 02:45 |
Peacock |
redhat lives off support, which depends on a system complicated enough to run |
| 02:45 |
ShadowNinja |
Peacock: pacman -S libreoffice -> select individual parts (writer, impress, etc) -> wait ten minutes. |
| 02:45 |
Exio4 |
downloading takes more time here :( |
| 02:45 |
Peacock |
shadow - i know, ive done it :P but many windows users can't view my CV properly for some reason |
| 02:45 |
ShadowNinja |
^ Not to be taken as even remotely precise. |
| 02:46 |
Exio4 |
for "non-internal" files, lets say, i use pdf |
| 02:47 |
Exio4 |
you can see them everywhere |
| 02:47 |
Exio4 |
in your phone, in your tablet, in your desktop, in your laptop |
| 02:47 |
Exio4 |
on* |
| 02:47 |
Peacock |
i tried PDF, but you'd be surprised how many employers don't have a PDF viewer |
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NakedFury |
pdf viewer is one of the first programs I download and install on new pc |
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Exio4 |
well, it is one of the last programs i download |
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ShadowNinja |
text/plain can't be beat. :-) |
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Exio4 |
lol ShadowNinja |
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NakedFury |
first is a new web browser |
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Peacock |
yeah but were talking about corporate machines, not the shit you use at home :P |
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Peacock |
over here, they have to get permission to install anything, thanks to china and russian spying :P |
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NakedFury |
ohh |
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Exio4 |
if an employer doesn't have a PDF viewer |
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Exio4 |
... the fuck |
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Exio4 |
Peacock: export to html and upload |
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Exio4 |
http://peaco.ck/my-cv/ |
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Peacock |
well, sorry to say, most empoyers are used to getting .doc files that render properly :P |
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NakedFury |
damn spies!!! threatening my chance for a pdf viewer |
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Exio4 |
and i thought argentina was fucked up |
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Peacock |
and if i try to proselytize before an interview, you can guarantee that i wont get the job :P |
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Exio4 |
now i feel better Peacock, thanks |
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ShadowNinja |
HTML is good, just don't use M$ word, it will gladly generate 10MB of code for one unformatted word. |
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Peacock |
exio i dont know how it's like in SA, but if a CV here requires the installation of special software, you can count on one hand the chances of getting a callback :P |
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Peacock |
*CV here |
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Exio4 |
like in SA? |
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* Menche |
wonders who would consider a PDF reader "special software" |
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Exio4 |
me too Menche |
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Exio4 |
do you need to send the CV in a monochrome .gif Peacock? |
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Peacock |
you'd be surprised how many corporate machines still run on 95/98SE :P |
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Peacock |
naw, just an office format that renders properly on MS office |
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NakedFury |
im surprised they dont use some linux kernel to save up on money |
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Exio4 |
not that NakedFury |
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Exio4 |
but actually using a ... 15 years old system? |
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Peacock |
corporations are almost as slow as governments :P |
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Exio4 |
that is unsupported since 2006, too |
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Exio4 |
Peacock: corporations are actually faster than govs |
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Menche |
when I go to a computer store, I see all these nice shiny new machines for sale, and this crappy, dusty old XP machine that the employees use. |
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NakedFury |
so true |
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Exio4 |
i didn't see a "windows98 machine" in any working-place, lets say, for like 4-5 years by now |
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Exio4 |
they all got replaced by the same machine but with windows xp :P |
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Peacock |
exio according to my family living in south america, you'd think the gov't ran everything |
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Exio4 |
what? |
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Peacock |
i have family in Peru and Mexico, and shit couldn't be more fucked up |
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Exio4 |
i don't say it isn't fucked up but i don't get the last phrase |
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Exio4 |
"you'd think the gov't ran everything" |
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Peacock |
well i simply meant that leftist governments *try* to manage the economy, despite their failures |
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* VanessaE |
peeks in |
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Exio4 |
the govs try to manage the economy and they fail at it, yeah |
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Exio4 |
so what? |
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Exio4 |
if you left a country like peru without a "controlled economy", it would get into a default in less than 15 years |
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Peacock |
well, if you think it's a failure, i wish more people thought as you :P |
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Exio4 |
it is the main problem from "developing countries" |
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Peacock |
argentina had a default in 2001 i believe, |
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Exio4 |
yeah, that nice default |
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Exio4 |
do you know what happened since 1991 in argentina? |
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Exio4 |
let the economy manage the country |
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Peacock |
stagflation |
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Exio4 |
the inflation wasn't *that* bad |
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stormchaser3000 |
wow |
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Exio4 |
the first time it was "wow this is so amazing, we couldn't be better" |
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Exio4 |
after that nice moment happened, everything got worse and suddenly exploded in 2001 |
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Peacock |
funny that coincided with the dot-com burst |
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Exio4 |
yeah, i saw that too |
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Peacock |
alot of fake money to invest abroad lol |
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stormchaser3000 |
you mean 9-11 |
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stormchaser3000 |
9/11* |
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Exio4 |
9-11 isn't an important thing outside the US |
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stormchaser3000 |
oh ok |
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stormchaser3000 |
oh argintina |
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Peacock |
9-11 had nothing to do with dot-com burst, these companies never made any money |
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stormchaser3000 |
wow ouch |
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VanessaE |
9/11 is an event that is best left in the past. |
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NakedFury |
I do remember all the crazy shit going on in 1999 about the future and pc and you needed special software to keep working, etc |
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VanessaE |
it was 12 freaking years ago. |
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NakedFury |
Jesus died thousands of years ago and people keep bringing it up |
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Peacock |
the Y2K scare? that was the first bubble of our new century :P |
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Exio4 |
lol, y2k |
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NakedFury |
y2k |
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NakedFury |
that was the word |
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stormchaser3000 |
well Jesus is still alive |
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VanessaE |
Peacock: in a way it kinda did: the dot com bubble did help to build some parts of the economy, which is allegedly what the attack was all about. |
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NakedFury |
aa floppy discs |
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VanessaE |
jesus is a dead jewish zombie :P |
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Exio4 |
what economy? |
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Exio4 |
US'? |
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VanessaE |
yes. |
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Peacock |
the dot-com bubble relieved the economy from the early 90's recession, but it all was based on bullshit, like the mortgage crisis that came later, thank reageanomics for that :P |
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VanessaE |
oh don't get me wrong, I know it was based on bullshit :) |
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Peacock |
reaganomics and thatcherism did alot more damage to the economy than people give it credit for :P |
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VanessaE |
agreed. |
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NakedFury |
well it gave us reaganomics which sounds funny |
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NakedFury |
one positive thing about it |
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VanessaE |
"trickle down"? sure, if you're already rich, maybe. otherwise the only trickle you ever see happens to be rather thin and pale yellow in color. |
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Peacock |
trickle down is bullshit, rich people are rich by being dirt chip, the economy never advanced by people hoarding money |
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VanessaE |
yup |
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Peacock |
*chip = cheap |
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Peacock |
the reason corporations rose to prominence in the 70's and 80's was because of tax credits owing to investments |
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Peacock |
also why the 3rd world has so much debt :P |
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Peacock |
we lent so much more then they could afford to pay back |
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Peacock |
Oh yes Marion |
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VanessaE |
? |
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VanessaE |
night all. |
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nore |
VanessaE, are you moderator on the forum? |
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Exio4 |
she is |
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nore |
is she there (is was partly to ping her ;)) |
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nore |
? |
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nore |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=115414#p115414 |
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nore |
<-- post that is bumping an old thread in discussion in other language, asking to speak English... |
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Menche |
plus it's in the other languages section, lol |
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* Menche |
doesn't think those spoilers were necessary |
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* nore |
too |
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nore |
are there methods in the lua api to transform a unit vector in pitch/yaw and the reverse? |
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FreeFull |
nore: There is probably a two-argument arctangent function |
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cy1 |
Anyone know how the dam on VanessaE's server generates 4 million EU in technic? |
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cy1 |
The creator has everything locked down. |
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ruskie |
ask them? |
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cy1 |
ruskie: webdesigner97 has been gone for a while. |
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cy1 |
This is why I hate protect blocks. |
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cy1 |
He's probably just lying about it making that much power. |
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nore |
Calinou, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=115414#p115414 |
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Calinou |
done |
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* Calinou |
taunts with rocket launcher |
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sfan5 |
hi everyone |
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Calinou |
hi |
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nore |
hi |
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cy1 |
I just want a bow. Not a rocket launcher, not an assault rifle, just a bow. That kills mobs from a distance. |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy World Development Information Day! :-D |
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sfan5 |
noooo... reddit is down |
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kahrl |
did they vote it down? |
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jojoa1997 |
hi |
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Dan_D |
What do you think? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=115454#p115454 |
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germa |
hi! |
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germa |
i see many mod have fire dependences... is this? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=745 |
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thexyz |
i-it's not like anything's wrong with this topic https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7506 |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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germa |
hello! |
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germa |
and thank you for your mods :) |
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sfan5 |
according to google php.net may harm my computer |
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thexyz |
don't visit it then |
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us`0gb |
I think the flat map generator is broken: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=00887bf http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=029b498 |
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us`0gb |
Up in the sky, it creates a semi-repeating pattern of nodes. |
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us`0gb |
If you delete map.sqlite, the pattern changes, but it's still there. |
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sfan5 |
google broke its safe browsing system |
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us`0gb |
I've never heard of its safe browsing system. |
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PilzAdam |
us`0gb, what mapgenerator have you choosen? |
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us`0gb |
v6, with the "flat" flag. |
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us`0gb |
When the "flat" flag is not used, they go away. |
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us`0gb |
Oops, it looks like it's indev, not v6. I'll test with v6 now though. |
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us`0gb |
(It's been a while since I started that map, I forgot.) |
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PilzAdam |
flat works for me in v6 and indev |
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us`0gb |
Weird ... THe bug won't repeat in other worlds .... but if I delete that world's map.sqlite, those structures are generated again. |
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us`0gb |
I'm very confused now. |
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us`0gb |
And now it won't even happen on that one map ... |
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us`0gb |
I was getting some odd repeating PseudoRandom() stuff as well, but that's been cleared up now too. |
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us`0gb |
Maybe it was just some sort of system hickup. |
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nore |
us`0gb, what mods are enabled in this world? |
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us`0gb |
nore: None that put stuff up in the sky (or rather, I removed the one "mod" that did, and it still happened). Also none that are released yet, besides characters and creative, neither of which do anything at mapgen time. |
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us`0gb |
Actually, the none that were enabled do anything at mapgen time, besides defining the mapgen aliases. |
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nore |
and what is in the other world files? (map_meta.txt, etc.) |
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us`0gb |
All the defaults, with the map generator being indev and the only flag being "flat". |
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nore |
could you paste it somewhere please? |
| 13:47 |
nore |
(so I can see if I can reproduce that bug) |
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us`0gb |
I'll pastebin it, but the bug won't even repeat on my own machine any more. |
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nore |
even when copying the existing world and deleting map_meta.txt? |
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nore |
sry, map.sqlite |
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us`0gb |
I delete map.sqlite, and leave all other files intact. |
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nore |
and does it reproduce? |
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us`0gb |
http://pastebin.com/90Q8FwsU |
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us`0gb |
It did the first few times. Now it will not reproduce anymore. |
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nore |
I can't reproduce... :( |
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us`0gb |
I know ... but I swear it happened. Honest. |
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nore |
I believe you (maybe there was a memory problem, and the increment for consecutive columns was changed, and that caused that offset) |
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IceCraft |
hi |
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us`0gb |
Hello! |
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nore |
hi |
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us`0gb |
A memory problem might explain why the patten was almost regular. |
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us`0gb |
It repeated, but with slight variance. |
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nore |
I ran once into similar pattern with a bug in my voxel manip code... |
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nore |
(except for the slight variation) |
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us`0gb |
Maybe it repeated perfectly until the next phase of the map generater altered it. |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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BlockMen |
hi everyone |
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PilzAdam |
hey |
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us`0gb |
Hello! |
| 14:23 |
BlockMen |
ah, PilzAdam, i need another ok for #928 |
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PilzAdam |
BlockMen, didnt we already talked about that? |
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PilzAdam |
IIRC I said it would be better to set the listcolors per list, and be able to use images instead of plane colors |
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BlockMen |
IMO this could be an further improvement somewhen |
| 14:35 |
BlockMen |
feel free to add this ;) |
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PilzAdam |
I would be fine with this, though we need to make sure that it can be done in the future without conflicts |
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BlockMen |
can you see anything that would/could cause this in my pull? |
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PilzAdam |
I mostly care about the API |
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BlockMen |
that means no? |
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PilzAdam |
no, it doesnt mean no |
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PilzAdam |
it means: "think about things first" |
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BlockMen |
there are 3 possible answers on my question: yes (insert reasons), no, idk(insert reasons) |
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us`0gb |
It means one bad API function could haunt us all forever. |
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PilzAdam |
BlockMen, I want _you_ to answer that question |
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PilzAdam |
that means: 1) think about how the API for my suggestions would be and 2) think if it will conflict with your changes |
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PilzAdam |
since you just worked in that part of the code and know it better than me |
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BlockMen |
1)IMO your suggestions would be better in a new definition since [listcolors] are already kinda large, but thats not necessary. 2)it would be possible to add your suggestions without conflicts to my changes |
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PilzAdam |
what would be a "new definition" |
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PilzAdam |
+? |
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BlockMen |
[listimg], [listdef], what ever makes sense and is not used already |
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BlockMen |
but how i said, not necesarry |
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BlockMen |
and i might know the code better, but im not as good as you at coding. keep that in mind ;) |
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kaeza |
afternoon |
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BlockMen |
hi Jordach |
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Jordach |
Evergreen! |
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Jordach |
> A new java update is availible |
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Jordach |
get fucked Java, i only have you because most things don't work due to lazy ass programmers |
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* us`0gb |
doesn't know if he even has Java installed |
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* BlockMen |
has no Java |
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* PilzAdam |
has java |
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PilzAdam |
BlockMen, who else has agreed on the pull request? |
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BlockMen |
sfan5 |
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PilzAdam |
guiFormSpecMenu.cpp:607 doesnt this change allow more parts than allowed? |
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* Jordach |
pokes Evergreen again |
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us`0gb |
It seems I have no Java. |
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Evergreen |
pokity |
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Evergreen |
what does thou need? |
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Jordach |
you know |
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Evergreen |
of course |
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Jordach |
same place again |
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Jordach |
(ip hasn't changed over 24 hours afaik) |
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BlockMen |
PilzAdam, it allows to add another parameter now that is only used if present |
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BlockMen |
in this case "true/false" to clip background image of formspec |
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PilzAdam |
wouldnt it be better to change it to if(parts == 3 || parts == 4) ? |
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PilzAdam |
so the "Invalid background element(" error is also thrown when there are 5 or more parts |
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PilzAdam |
also: is it intentional that the variables in guiFormSpecMenu.h are not initialized? |
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* Jordach |
pokes sfan5 |
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* sfan5 |
pokes Jordach |
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BlockMen |
i dont see the reason for that, all "useless" parameters are not processed (IIRC it is somewhere else done that way in formspecs) |
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PilzAdam |
https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest/blob/77ec68fa0870c624ef46b0040dd48833fa221be2/src/guiFormSpecMenu.cpp#L642 |
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PilzAdam |
all the surrounding code does it like this |
| 15:15 |
BlockMen |
hmm, seems i was wrong. ok, i will change it |
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PilzAdam |
I have to go, bbl |
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markveidemanis |
Hello! |
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us`0gb |
Hello! |
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kaeza |
anyone with windows cares to do some testing? |
| 16:07 |
Jordach |
yes |
| 16:08 |
kaeza |
Jordach, install homedecor and see if it bugs out |
| 16:08 |
Jordach |
> homedecor |
| 16:08 |
Jordach |
feck no |
| 16:08 |
* us`0gb |
's windows are made of glass and are incapable of software testing |
| 16:08 |
Jordach |
...if you pirate windows, do you have cracked windows ;P |
| 16:09 |
us`0gb |
Probably. But if you're going to pirate something, why pirate THAT? |
| 16:09 |
kaeza |
windows are already broken anyway, so how can you crack it :P |
| 16:09 |
us`0gb |
I've seen a desktop wallpaper that says "Windows XP Pirated Edition". |
| 16:09 |
kaeza |
+? |
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dafull97 |
hey guys |
| 16:19 |
kaeza |
hi |
| 16:19 |
dafull97 |
who is here? |
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| 16:19 |
dafull97 |
i know you are kaeza |
| 16:19 |
us`0gb |
Hello! |
| 16:20 |
dafull97 |
us`0gb, hey... i have some ideas |
| 16:20 |
us`0gb |
Ideas for what? |
| 16:21 |
dafull97 |
Minetest Servers |
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| 16:30 |
Jordach |
hello Calinou |
| 16:30 |
Jordach |
next week will be community map week again :D |
| 16:31 |
Calinou |
hi |
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us`0gb |
dafull97, are you going to tell us your ideas? |
| 16:32 |
dafull97 |
ohh, sorry one minute please i have t o finish my owkr |
| 16:33 |
us`0gb |
No worries. But it's odd to bring it up if you don't plan on discussing it. |
| 16:33 |
NakedFury |
very odd |
| 16:34 |
dafull97 |
ok, back... and we should make 2-3 servers that are Minetest's and really large maps yea? |
| 16:35 |
us`0gb |
I don't understand. Like one map shared between servers? |
| 16:37 |
dafull97 |
no, like 3-4 servers that are minetest's and not ran by the community... and all them have there own maps... and like one in the midd. of the us, eastcoast and westcoast... |
| 16:37 |
dafull97 |
minimumize lag... :) |
| 16:37 |
NakedFury |
that costs $$ |
| 16:37 |
dafull97 |
yes, it does |
| 16:37 |
dafull97 |
does minetest take donations? |
| 16:38 |
us`0gb |
Can Minetest afford more servers? If so, is that what the money should be spent on? Perhaps not, to both questions. |
| 16:39 |
dafull97 |
well it was just and idea.. =D |
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us`0gb |
There would also be argument as to what "mods" to have installed. An interesting idea, but I doubt it would work out. |
| 16:44 |
NakedFury |
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=208728115975710 |
| 16:44 |
NakedFury |
check that out |
| 16:44 |
NakedFury |
its a video |
| 16:47 |
us`0gb |
The video won't play without Flash, which I don't have. WHat's it about? |
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| 16:53 |
reactor |
markveidemanis: o/ |
| 16:53 |
reactor |
How's the science? |
| 16:56 |
Wuzzy |
Wow, there is another person on this big, cold planet who does not have Flash. I did not expect that. There is still hope for humankind. :-) |
| 17:00 |
reactor |
I do. |
| 17:00 |
reactor |
It doesn't work with my current browser, though. |
| 17:01 |
reactor |
And I do not like the idea of Flash. |
| 17:01 |
nore |
Wuzzy, have you access to the main page of the wiki? |
| 17:01 |
Wuzzy |
Yes, I have read access. XD |
| 17:01 |
nore |
Because it says that all craft recipes are on "Crafting" page |
| 17:02 |
kaeza |
I don't use flash because performance, but still enable it sometimes for old-as-ass games |
| 17:02 |
Wuzzy |
BlockMen has write access on the main page. |
| 17:02 |
nore |
btw, why has there been no changes, lately? |
| 17:02 |
Wuzzy |
OMG |
| 17:02 |
Wuzzy |
WTF is wrong with you |
| 17:03 |
Wuzzy |
just because I don’t edit the wiki all day any more does not mean its dead... |
| 17:03 |
Wuzzy |
xD |
| 17:03 |
nore |
no, of course :p |
| 17:03 |
Wuzzy |
I edited the wiki a lot in last days. I think I need a break |
| 17:03 |
nore |
I was just surprised since there were 200 edits a day previously |
| 17:04 |
Wuzzy |
Oh, there is another reason: |
| 17:04 |
Wuzzy |
Because YOU didn’t edit something :P :P :P |
| 17:04 |
BlockMen |
where i have write access? |
| 17:04 |
Wuzzy |
Onto the main page |
| 17:04 |
Wuzzy |
of the wiki |
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| 17:05 |
BlockMen |
yes, why? |
| 17:05 |
Wuzzy |
well yes we were talking about that the “Crafting†description is not accurate anymore |
| 17:05 |
Wuzzy |
Well I removed the crafting recipes from the page and replaced it with a /description/ of crafting and links to important crafting pages |
| 17:06 |
Wuzzy |
I did that because the redundancy was simply not managable anymore |
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| 17:06 |
Wuzzy |
having to upate multiple pages for 1 recipe was a pain in the ass |
| 17:06 |
BlockMen |
looks good i guess |
| 17:06 |
BlockMen |
any suggestion for the new subtitle on mainpage |
| 17:06 |
Wuzzy |
But the description on the main page is of course wrong now. |
| 17:07 |
reactor |
BlockMen: "free goatse for everyone" |
| 17:07 |
Wuzzy |
“How to craft.†|
| 17:07 |
reactor |
Yes. |
| 17:07 |
reactor |
"How to craft a goatse." |
| 17:07 |
nore |
Wuzzy, wouldn't it be possible to make something that would update all craft recipes on the wiki (and "as a crating ingredient") with a single recipe? |
| 17:07 |
Wuzzy |
You mean, like automagically? |
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| 17:08 |
BlockMen |
Wuzzy, done |
| 17:08 |
nore |
yes |
| 17:08 |
Wuzzy |
good |
| 17:08 |
Wuzzy |
nore: There you have your edit. :D |
| 17:09 |
nore |
I don't even know the basic commands of the wiki... :( |
| 17:09 |
Wuzzy |
What do you mean with “commands� |
| 17:10 |
reactor |
Wuzzy: "right shoulder-hut!" etc. |
| 17:10 |
Wuzzy |
WTF? |
| 17:10 |
Wuzzy |
What are you talking about? |
| 17:10 |
reactor |
Commands eh. |
| 17:10 |
reactor |
Would you like to talk about it? |
| 17:10 |
nore |
I mean, how you create a table, a craft recipe, etc. |
| 17:11 |
Wuzzy |
Ah THIS |
| 17:11 |
Wuzzy |
This is called “syntaxâ€. |
| 17:11 |
nore |
well, I don't know how this works... |
| 17:12 |
Wuzzy |
Since the wiki runs on the MediaWiki software, you have to look on www.mediawiki.org |
| 17:12 |
Wuzzy |
I learned most stuff there, too. |
| 17:12 |
Wuzzy |
Tables are a bit more complex. |
| 17:13 |
Wuzzy |
I recommond starting with simple texts and simple formatting so you can get a feeling how MediaWiki works. |
| 17:13 |
Wuzzy |
after that, you can still try to learn tables |
| 17:14 |
us`0gb |
Just don't use sudo on the wiki. Pretty much all the other commands are mostly safe. |
| 17:14 |
reactor |
?! |
| 17:14 |
Wuzzy |
aaah i totally forgot |
| 17:14 |
Wuzzy |
today is 24th october |
| 17:14 |
reactor |
Are you talking about UNIX or about some web interface thing? |
| 17:14 |
Wuzzy |
this means it is International Troll Day |
| 17:15 |
Wuzzy |
this is why you are all trolling each other |
| 17:15 |
reactor |
No, it's International Cabbage Day. |
| 17:15 |
Wuzzy |
quot era demonstrandum |
| 17:15 |
reactor |
We're all eating cabbage to get disgestion. |
| 17:15 |
us`0gb |
Web interface thing, reactor. We were joking about the use of the term "commands" when it should have been "syntax". |
| 17:15 |
reactor |
...in order to go to the toilet at the same time and flush it in sync with others. |
| 17:15 |
reactor |
And see what happens. |
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| 17:16 |
reactor |
john_minetest: o/ |
| 17:16 |
reactor |
You offend me by that statement. |
| 17:16 |
reactor |
And... would you like to talk about it? |
| 17:16 |
us`0gb |
If you're not a pony, it isn't directed at you. |
| 17:17 |
reactor |
Oh good. |
| 17:17 |
us`0gb |
SO he isn't calling you a pony, he's just ignoring you. |
| 17:17 |
* Jordach |
isn't a pony |
| 17:17 |
us`0gb |
*So |
| 17:17 |
reactor |
Would you like to talk about it, us`0gb? |
| 17:17 |
us`0gb |
I'm fairly certain my keys are too small for ponies. |
| 17:17 |
us`0gb |
reactor, talk about what? |
| 17:17 |
reactor |
Your keys? |
| 17:18 |
us`0gb |
Keyboard keys. |
| 17:18 |
reactor |
Why does their size make you worry? |
| 17:18 |
reactor |
Are they smaller than others' keys? |
| 17:18 |
Wuzzy |
Did you know that my IRC program has a feature called “ignore� Just letting you know. |
| 17:18 |
us`0gb |
I'm not worries, just saying I couldn't be here if I were a pony. |
| 17:18 |
reactor |
Wuzzy has just ignored everyone. *foreveralone.jpg* |
| 17:18 |
reactor |
us`0gb: but the keys |
| 17:19 |
reactor |
us`0gb: you wish you had bigger keyboard? |
| 17:19 |
reactor |
Does that mean something? |
| 17:19 |
us`0gb |
I tell people my chat client has an ignore feature when they're being annoying, then I just ignore them myself. But I don't think it actually has that feature. |
| 17:19 |
us`0gb |
Bigger keyboard? No, my keyboard is fine. |
| 17:20 |
reactor |
/ignore is lacking purpose, somewhat. |
| 17:20 |
reactor |
You can't see the ignoree's reaction. |
| 17:20 |
reactor |
So it's no fun. |
| 17:20 |
us`0gb |
Jordach, it's XChat. |
| 17:21 |
Jordach |
us`0gb, it has /ignore <nick> all |
| 17:21 |
reactor |
XChat... oh gosh, people are still using that _. |
| 17:21 |
us`0gb |
Oh? I didn't know that. |
| 17:21 |
us`0gb |
reactor, what would you recommend and why? |
| 17:21 |
reactor |
idk... something text-based |
| 17:21 |
us`0gb |
Ah. No wonder then. |
| 17:21 |
reactor |
IRC is not particulary in need of GUI. |
| 17:22 |
us`0gb |
Text-based options lack that point-and-click ease. |
| 17:22 |
reactor |
I/O err. 35887: imcompatible tastes. |
| 17:22 |
us`0gb |
Yeah. At least both options are available. |
| 17:23 |
reactor |
It's tempting to say point and click is unnecessary in IRC. So I've just said it. |
| 17:23 |
reactor |
It's unnecessary in most things. |
| 17:23 |
reactor |
Only makes you lift your right hand from the keyboard. |
| 17:23 |
kaeza |
let's all go back to teletypes because GUIs and consoles are evil and unnecessary |
| 17:23 |
us`0gb |
It's unnecessary almost everywhere. That doesn't mean it's not nice to have. |
| 17:23 |
kaeza |
because fuck technology advancements |
| 17:23 |
reactor |
I'm not saying they have no application, kaeza. |
| 17:24 |
reactor |
I'm saying they're used inappropriately. |
| 17:24 |
Wuzzy |
so nore did this help you now or not? |
| 17:24 |
reactor |
They're fine in drawing programs, games and other visual things. |
| 17:24 |
reactor |
But the rodent must be kept from text processing. |
| 17:25 |
khonkhortisan |
The menu has an image in the credits |
| 17:25 |
reactor |
us`0gb: would you like to go back to keyboard sizes? |
| 17:25 |
reactor |
You know. I still wonder what made you say that your keyboard is big. |
| 17:26 |
us`0gb |
No, I said it was too small for a pony to use. |
| 17:26 |
reactor |
Or is it that your keyboard is too small, and you wish you had a bigger one, and you're in denial? |
| 17:26 |
us`0gb |
No, my keyboard is just fine, as long as no pony needs to use it. |
| 17:27 |
reactor |
Oh. Pardon me. You weren't stating it's big. |
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us`0gb |
Right. |
| 17:27 |
reactor |
Keyboard enlargement? |
| 17:27 |
khonkhortisan |
the buttons are a little darker than the default irrlicht theme |
| 17:27 |
* Jordach |
updates clementine to 1.2 |
| 17:27 |
us`0gb |
No, the keyboard is fine. |
| 17:28 |
reactor |
Alright. |
| 17:28 |
Jordach |
the GIT 1.2 (before release) finally started to fuck up |
| 17:28 |
reactor |
john_minetest: did you know there is a link between paraphilia and pony stuff? |
| 17:29 |
Jordach |
and not it's stopped crashing on playing back internet streams |
| 17:29 |
Jordach |
now* |
| 17:29 |
reactor |
wow* |
| 17:30 |
us`0gb |
No wonder I'm not into ponies. I have aphilia. |
| 17:30 |
reactor |
john_minetest: ...probably. I haven't seen those. |
| 17:31 |
us`0gb |
"Hello everyone!". |
| 17:31 |
us`0gb |
It's similar, bit not copyrighted. |
| 17:32 |
reactor |
Hello every... Uhm. Every... Okay, let it be "everycomputer". |
| 17:32 |
us`0gb |
Why is he copyrighting these things? And how is he getting that approved? |
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reactor |
john_minetest: what I was saying is, "hello everypony" has a bad context. |
| 17:34 |
reactor |
Namely, the so-called "brony" community. |
| 17:35 |
reactor |
These are problematic types to encounter. |
| 17:35 |
reactor |
I do things in the name of Cornholio. |
| 17:36 |
Jordach |
!stfu reactor |
| 17:36 |
MinetestBot |
reactor, someone thinks you need to shut the fuck up before you get muted. |
| 17:36 |
reactor |
...not. Alrighty. |
| 17:36 |
Jordach |
i've wanted to test that for a while now |
| 17:36 |
reactor |
What if... |
| 17:36 |
reactor |
!stfu MinetestBot |
| 17:36 |
MinetestBot |
MinetestBot, someone thinks you need to shut the fuck up before you get muted. |
| 17:37 |
us`0gb |
john_minetest, I agree, I don't know why people jump down others' throats about My Little Pony. |
| 17:37 |
reactor |
No, nothing has crashed, apparently. |
| 17:37 |
us`0gb |
I like to think my time is too valuable for My Little Pony, but this isn't the case for everyone. Some peoples' time is too valuable for Minetest, yet here we are. |
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| 17:38 |
Jordach |
my computing teacher knows why people like MLP - everyone said we need an intervention |
| 17:38 |
Wuzzy |
Quick question: When I try to join a server I never joined before and it requires a password. What does happen if I enter into the server the first time? |
| 17:38 |
reactor |
Wuzzy: the password is created. |
| 17:39 |
fairiestoy |
Your player file will be created with several informations |
| 17:39 |
us`0gb |
If it requires a password and you don't have it, you can't get in. |
| 17:39 |
reactor |
Wuzzy: so that nobody else can log in with your name. |
| 17:39 |
Wuzzy |
okay |
| 17:39 |
Wuzzy |
this means the first password is created, too |
| 17:39 |
reactor |
I wonder... one could abuse the password system. |
| 17:40 |
Wuzzy |
oh boy this seems cumbersome |
| 17:40 |
reactor |
Write a shell script that launches minetest with different usernames. |
| 17:40 |
us`0gb |
THere might be a hole in that, if you send control characters. I don't know. |
| 17:40 |
Wuzzy |
It would be insecure to have the same password for all servers |
| 17:40 |
Jordach |
nope.avi |
| 17:40 |
reactor |
(it would take long to clutter up the server's disk full) |
| 17:40 |
Wuzzy |
why “nope� |
| 17:40 |
reactor |
(but it's _theoretically_ possible!) |
| 17:40 |
Jordach |
Wuzzy, nobody's worked mine out |
| 17:41 |
reactor |
Or is there flood prevention for logins? |
| 17:41 |
Wuzzy |
Well. |
| 17:41 |
reactor |
Or for registered users? |
| 17:41 |
Wuzzy |
I theoretically could open a server |
| 17:41 |
us`0gb |
... I wonder if THAT's what the DDoSer did to me ... |
| 17:41 |
Jordach |
my redcrab 0.4-dev20120106 password has been the same for almost 2 YEARS |
| 17:41 |
Wuzzy |
which requires a password |
| 17:41 |
reactor |
I think it would be useful to have "new users per day" limit. |
| 17:41 |
Wuzzy |
BAM! Soon I get a lot of default passwords |
| 17:41 |
Wuzzy |
:-) |
| 17:41 |
Wuzzy |
No cracking skills required AT ALL |
| 17:42 |
Wuzzy |
This is why I say its insecure |
| 17:42 |
us`0gb |
I think it would be a good idea to store the last time an account was used. That way, you could clear out all unused accounts. |
| 17:42 |
reactor |
Yes, that, too. |
| 17:42 |
Wuzzy |
And by this method I could obtain YOUR password, too. (assuming you use the same PW everywhere) |
| 17:42 |
reactor |
But that still doesn't cancel the possibility of "new user" flood, us`0gb. |
| 17:42 |
fairiestoy |
us, write a mod for it :P |
| 17:42 |
us`0gb |
I actually plan to write that in a Lua plugin, but C++ would be better, to put it in the player's file. |
| 17:43 |
reactor |
mk |
| 17:43 |
Wuzzy |
? |
| 17:43 |
reactor |
_ |
| 17:43 |
us`0gb |
reactor, the new user flood prevention would prevent legitimate users. |
| 17:43 |
Wuzzy |
A look into my server files would be enough |
| 17:43 |
reactor |
us`0gb: well... how about, say, 100 users per day? |
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| 17:43 |
reactor |
us`0gb: it's unlikely to be hit by "legit" users. |
| 17:44 |
reactor |
us`0gb: on loaded servers, it could be raised |
| 17:44 |
fairiestoy |
Wuzzy: I see no advantage in doing that anyway. |
| 17:44 |
Wuzzy |
You mean, no advantage in abusing other’s accounts? |
| 17:44 |
fairiestoy |
yep |
| 17:44 |
us`0gb |
One hundred attack accounts are created. Then the attacker must stop. But then a REAL user tries to join. |
| 17:44 |
fairiestoy |
This is a free sandbox game. What the hell should one do with another account? |
| 17:45 |
Wuzzy |
You are right but I fear not everyone on this cold, big planet is sane. |
| 17:45 |
us`0gb |
Wuzzy, so true. |
| 17:45 |
reactor |
us`0gb: so what, put a message in the log |
| 17:45 |
Wuzzy |
Some ppl do cracking stuff for teh lulz |
| 17:45 |
fairiestoy |
True, but then i just would create another account and that it :P |
| 17:45 |
reactor |
us`0gb: and let users mail complaints |
| 17:45 |
reactor |
us`0gb: that's what mailing lists are for |
| 17:45 |
us`0gb |
It's a start, but still not good. |
| 17:46 |
Wuzzy |
then we could disable the password system altogether because it is basicly pointless |
| 17:46 |
us`0gb |
Plus then you have to expose your email address. I personally expose mine all the time, but other people might not want to. |
| 17:46 |
reactor |
us`0gb: so what? |
| 17:46 |
Wuzzy |
oh and the sandbox argument does not hold I think |
| 17:46 |
reactor |
us`0gb: you'll still get spammed sooner or later, everyone does. |
| 17:46 |
Wuzzy |
because players can *own* nodes on some servers |
| 17:47 |
fairiestoy |
Btw, somebody has experience with debian on a Samsung netbook n455? My backlight is not adjustable. |
| 17:47 |
Wuzzy |
Never heard of griefers? |
| 17:47 |
fairiestoy |
And xbacklight is not working |
| 17:47 |
us`0gb |
fairiestoy, what desktop interface? |
| 17:48 |
reactor |
john_minetest: interesting idea. |
| 17:48 |
fairiestoy |
Currently Gnome. Although i like to change to lxde |
| 17:48 |
us`0gb |
fairiestoy, I can't adjust my backlight with some desktop interfaces. |
| 17:48 |
reactor |
It does. |
| 17:48 |
reactor |
And it can be avoided by log rotation. |
| 17:48 |
us`0gb |
GNOME? Okay, sorry, I don't know then. It works in GNOME for me. |
| 17:48 |
reactor |
Or plain fifo instead of logfile. |
| 17:48 |
us`0gb |
It must be a different issue. |
| 17:48 |
us`0gb |
#debian ? |
| 17:48 |
reactor |
debilian |
| 17:49 |
fairiestoy |
Yeah, have to try it there then. Thanks anyway for trying. Just suddenly came up with it and asked it here |
| 17:49 |
reactor |
No, john_minetest, normal people virtualise. |
| 17:51 |
reactor |
No, almost whole system. |
| 17:52 |
reactor |
So that servers can't harm the main OS. |
| 17:52 |
reactor |
In case of tampering. |
| 17:54 |
reactor |
john_minetest: btw, facility? |
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us`0gb |
Who virtualizes, apart from those using online services? Do many people running it on their own system virtualize? |
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reactor |
us`0gb: "people running it on their own system" does not imply "normal", "proper", etc. |
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reactor |
In general, it's advised to use virtualisation for whatever external services you provide. |
| 17:56 |
reactor |
Especially if that machine also serves as a desktop. |
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us`0gb |
Proper does not imply "normal". You said "normal". |
| 17:57 |
us`0gb |
Normal people do things in an incredibly insecure way. |
| 17:57 |
reactor |
"average" is not "normal" |
| 17:58 |
us`0gb |
"average" is a lot closer than "skilled" to "normal". |
| 17:58 |
reactor |
Sadly. |
| 17:58 |
* Jordach |
is just plainly grumpy |
| 17:59 |
Jordach |
im not a fan of youtubers reccomend minetest -- griefers, assholes and general idiots |
| 17:59 |
Jordach |
reccomending* |
| 17:59 |
reactor |
Oh well. I made a mistake calling skilled people normal. |
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reactor |
Unfortunately, skilled people are rarity nowadays. |
| 18:00 |
us`0gb |
For sure. |
| 18:00 |
Jordach |
us`0gb = reactor |
| 18:00 |
us`0gb |
How did you know? |
| 18:00 |
reactor |
Jordach: I have to confess. That's true. |
| 18:01 |
us`0gb |
Hmm. I might look into virtualization when I have time. I run Minetest on a headless server, not a desktop, but I don't yet virtualize. |
| 18:01 |
* Jordach |
should stop with the omnipresence |
| 18:01 |
reactor |
us`0gb: me, too :) |
| 18:01 |
BlockMen |
Jordach != Jordach!? |
| 18:01 |
Jordach |
haha BlockMen |
| 18:01 |
Jordach |
no |
| 18:02 |
reactor |
I'm still testing the services, and their uptime is too small to care about virtualisation now. |
| 18:02 |
Jordach |
and im in a +S channel with +i on |
| 18:02 |
reactor |
I mean, I only run them observed. |
| 18:02 |
Jordach |
if i cant join it then im false :P |
| 18:02 |
reactor |
Jordach = BlockMen |
| 18:02 |
BlockMen |
hell, no |
| 18:02 |
BlockMen |
im PilzAdam :D |
| 18:02 |
reactor |
Oh. |
| 18:02 |
Jordach |
<- can't speak German |
| 18:02 |
reactor |
Hai PlizAdam! |
| 18:03 |
BlockMen |
at least Jordach thinks i am^^ |
| 18:03 |
reactor |
s/Hai/Hay/ |
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us`0gb |
Well, PilzAdam admitted he was Jordach, so ... |
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khonkhortisan |
Sie nein sprechen |
| 18:03 |
us`0gb |
Jordach == PilzAdam == BlockMen |
| 18:03 |
Jordach |
oh this is bullshit |
| 18:03 |
reactor |
"True" |
| 18:03 |
* BlockMen |
confused now |
| 18:03 |
* khonkhortisan |
is me |
| 18:04 |
reactor |
Would you like to talk about confusion, BlockMen? |
| 18:04 |
BlockMen |
umm... |
| 18:04 |
BlockMen |
no |
| 18:04 |
reactor |
Why not? Does something make you uncomfortable about being confused? |
| 18:06 |
khonkhortisan |
'!=' ≠'≠' |
| 18:07 |
us`0gb |
!= == ≠|
| 18:07 |
us`0gb |
The first is used in code, the second in mathematics. |
| 18:07 |
reactor |
That uncomfortable moment when your font does not have the appropriate character, and X uses some substitute. |
| 18:07 |
us`0gb |
It's the mathematical "not equal to" sign. |
| 18:08 |
reactor |
!= is used to substitute ≠where you can't use ≠|
| 18:08 |
reactor |
reactor != reactor |
| 18:08 |
khonkhortisan |
I wish to use ≠in code |
| 18:08 |
khonkhortisan |
and ÷ |
| 18:08 |
us`0gb |
"≠" is hard to type. |
| 18:08 |
reactor |
khonkhortisan: you would have to edit your keyboard map |
| 18:08 |
reactor |
Ñ‹ |
| 18:09 |
khonkhortisan |
compose + / + = |
| 18:09 |
reactor |
ййййй ййййй |
| 18:09 |
khonkhortisan |
I love my compose key |
| 18:09 |
TheLastProject |
If you'd use that in any project I need to work on later my first vim command would be ":%s/≠/!=/g" |
| 18:09 |
khonkhortisan |
compose + : + - |
| 18:09 |
khonkhortisan |
then I could require changing it back just before the commit |
| 18:10 |
khonkhortisan |
I'd be annoying if I did that |
| 18:10 |
TheLastProject |
Who says I'll commit back to you? |
| 18:10 |
TheLastProject |
I'll fork and keep everything to myself |
| 18:10 |
TheLastProject |
You can change it yourself :P |
| 18:10 |
khonkhortisan |
then I'd commit to you |
| 18:10 |
TheLastProject |
Evil... |
| 18:10 |
reactor |
"Am I evil? Yes, I am!" |
| 18:11 |
khonkhortisan |
inherently, according to school. |
| 18:11 |
us`0gb |
How so? |
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reactor |
khonkhortisan: ? |
| 18:12 |
reactor |
Don't you say. |
| 18:12 |
khonkhortisan |
"Are people inherently good or inherently evil?" I don't like the question, but it has been answered in a way that makes it seem official. |
| 18:12 |
khonkhortisan |
it involved the book, "Lord of the Flies" |
| 18:13 |
Jordach |
People turn animalistic for power, but when a larger force, it stops. |
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Jordach |
larger force appears* |
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TheLastProject |
The world "animalistic" here is quite out of place. Many animals treat each other properly even without a larger force |
| 18:14 |
TheLastProject |
But I think "animalistic", "beastly" and "humane" are quite bad words |
| 18:14 |
us`0gb |
Also, humans ARE animals, so we are always like animals, as we are like ourselves. |
| 18:14 |
TheLastProject |
They all revolve around the basic, purely wrong, idea that humans are the "good guys" |
| 18:15 |
khonkhortisan |
I am not an animal! |
| 18:15 |
khonkhortisan |
I forgot who said that |
| 18:15 |
us`0gb |
A lier, that's who. |
| 18:15 |
khonkhortisan |
some actor |
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khonkhortisan |
Until they find the missing link, I'm not a monkey |
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khonkhortisan |
/ape/chimpanzee/gorilla |
| 18:16 |
TheLastProject |
Must refrain... from calling you... the missing link... |
| 18:16 |
khonkhortisan |
lol |
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us`0gb |
khonkhortisan, you're not a monkey, but you are a mammal. Mammals are animals. |
| 18:18 |
khonkhortisan |
My mental power and ability to take over the world as a civilization separates me in some way, even if not by the word "animal" |
| 18:18 |
reactor |
Just read it. |
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reactor |
"animalistic" And what we get? Bronies! |
| 18:18 |
reactor |
s/we/do we/ |
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reactor |
I've got where they come from! |
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us`0gb |
khonkhortisan, that would be because of your theory of mind, but you're still an animal. |
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* khonkhortisan |
barks |
| 18:19 |
reactor |
The most scary thing is not bronies, though. It's that they feed that stuff to children who have no judgement yet! |
| 18:19 |
JackGruff |
but if we don't feed things to children, how will we save them from damnation? |
| 18:21 |
us`0gb |
Trust me, there's much scarier things than mere pony-lovers out there. I'd tell you what, but I'd rather not start an argument here. |
| 18:22 |
kaeza |
welcome to the internet! come, I'll be your guide |
| 18:23 |
reactor |
I've already come. |
| 18:23 |
reactor |
Today. |
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reactor |
Oh. I mean, come home. |
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PilzAdam |
I think its funny how github tells me that I should tell my government to use github |
| 18:47 |
reactor |
PlizAdam: no one makes you. |
| 18:47 |
Jordach |
PilzAdam, are chests flammable |
| 18:47 |
PilzAdam |
no, AFAIK |
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TheLastProject |
Governments should host their own Gitlab thing or so |
| 18:48 |
reactor |
Hitlerlab |
| 18:48 |
Jordach |
curb the racism reactor |
| 18:49 |
Jordach |
not everyone in germany is a facist |
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PilzAdam |
reactor is a troll |
| 18:49 |
PilzAdam |
Jordach, dont feed him |
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reactor |
Jordach: please note I didn't even know you're talking about Germany. |
| 18:49 |
reactor |
I'm not ignorant enough to assume that. |
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khonkhortisan |
But you are ignorant enough to assume North is up |
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reactor |
Depends on relative to what. |
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us`0gb |
North is perpendicular to up. |
| 18:52 |
us`0gb |
So are south, east, and west. |
| 18:52 |
reactor |
You're talking about coordinates in drawing? |
| 18:52 |
reactor |
Then yes. |
| 18:52 |
khonkhortisan |
Maps are normally drawn with north at the top, while south (or east/west) could be at the top instead |
| 18:53 |
khonkhortisan |
Pencils are normally printed right-handed, but could be printed left-handed |
| 18:54 |
reactor |
Pencils? |
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reactor |
They're hexagonal. |
| 18:55 |
khonkhortisan |
Yes, pencils. If you hold one in your left hand the text will be upside-down. |
| 18:56 |
reactor |
Meth? |
| 18:56 |
khonkhortisan |
? |
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reactor |
Calinuo: o/ |
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JackGruff |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1598 |
| 19:08 |
JackGruff |
why hasn't that been moved yet? |
| 19:09 |
Jordach |
Mega Blocks [BETA] 0.9: http://i.imgur.com/5phUqUi.png |
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kaeza |
[17:00:34] * reactor se ha marchado (Quit: ELIZA/IRC) |
| 19:11 |
kaeza |
makes sense |
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VanessaE |
kaeza: re: signs_lib on windows... weird. |
| 19:13 |
VanessaE |
hi all |
| 19:13 |
VanessaE |
hi RBA |
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RealBadAngel |
hi |
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kaeza |
hey RBA, V |
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kaeza |
VanessaE, yep |
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kaeza |
windows distinguishes between "binary" and "text" files |
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kaeza |
which is stupid to say the least |
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kaeza |
again? O_o |
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VanessaE |
john_minetest_: it's windows, so "stupid" should be assumed :P |
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* Jordach |
slaps VanessaE |
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PilzAdam |
hello john_minetest underscore underscore |
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Jordach |
john_minetest, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=115515#p115515 |
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Jordach |
im playtesting the map currently |
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Jordach |
(closed beta with Evergreen) |
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Wuzzy |
Is there any height limit for L-system trees? |
| 19:24 |
PilzAdam |
yes |
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Wuzzy |
how high? |
| 19:25 |
PilzAdam |
cant remember exactly, but the vmanip that is used to build the trees only loads a certain amount of blocks |
| 19:25 |
Wuzzy |
Is it larger than 100? |
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VanessaE |
Jordach: I stand behind my statement. Windows == stupid. no, strike that. Windows == stoopid. |
| 19:29 |
Wuzzy |
rofl |
| 19:29 |
VanessaE |
(Linux is stupid too, just less so) |
| 19:29 |
Jordach |
you want to talk to my friend learn_more |
| 19:29 |
Jordach |
he works in MSVC for a livingf |
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Jordach |
-f |
| 19:29 |
VanessaE |
all OS's suck. some just suck more or less than others :) |
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TheLastProject |
^ That |
| 19:29 |
Mati^1 |
re |
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Wuzzy |
I can remember a song called “Every OS sucks.†|
| 19:30 |
TheLastProject |
Computers are a complete mess altogether, but there's no way to start over and do it right |
| 19:30 |
TheLastProject |
The only thing we can (and do) do now is built abstraction layer over abstraction layer, killing performance but making it nicer to work with |
| 19:30 |
Wuzzy |
Ah, I found it: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPRvc2UMeMI> |
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VanessaE |
TheLastProject: there is a way - the problem is current OS's are so entrenched that it may never actually be possble. |
| 19:32 |
VanessaE |
possible* |
| 19:32 |
VanessaE |
though Android did pretty much trounce iOS.... |
| 19:32 |
VanessaE |
so who knows. |
| 19:32 |
TheLastProject |
Android is a mess at the core as well :P |
| 19:33 |
TheLastProject |
But we can't really restart, it would support so little, and people wouldn't accept it |
| 19:33 |
VanessaE |
perhaps, but I meant that from the standpoint of "new guy walks in, suddenly old guy is unloved and unwanted" |
| 19:33 |
TheLastProject |
Hmm |
| 19:33 |
VanessaE |
we can restart. it's all a matter of desire. |
| 19:33 |
VanessaE |
look at QNX for example |
| 19:34 |
VanessaE |
that one had (has?) potential |
| 19:34 |
VanessaE |
but the marketing behind it is...lacking. |
| 19:34 |
VanessaE |
or Contiki, on the 8-bit classic platforms. |
| 19:35 |
VanessaE |
what are they doing right that the rest of the world seems to always do wrong? |
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VanessaE |
memory overload? |
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VanessaE |
could be |
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PilzAdam |
bye |
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VanessaE |
john_minetest: that's pretty dumb - why should a userland app have that capability? O.o |
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us^0gb |
Because it's Windows. |
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fairiestoy |
throw it out a window |
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TheLastProject |
john_minetest: One time I had a blue screen while it was shutting down, which I did while I was leaving the house. Smart system decided that rebooting was the correct solution and spent hours wasting energy while I was gone |
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Calinou |
desktop will follow |
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* Calinou |
updated netbook to xubuntu 13.10 :> |
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us{0gb |
I fixed the faulty sorting of file names on my system, and it had the unexpected result of fixing the faulty sorting in Minetest. Bonus! |
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us{0gb |
Sorting of nodes in the creative inventory, I mean. |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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Jordach |
btw, who moved my post from post your screenshots to the floating islands thread |
| 20:25 |
Jordach |
or i might have posted it there |
| 20:25 |
Jordach |
i dont fucking know :P |
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cy1 |
hey |
| 20:27 |
cy1 |
heyyyyy |
| 20:27 |
cy1 |
a lost gamer built a dam |
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cy1 |
does it work? how could a dam work? |
| 20:28 |
cy1 |
To generate technic power I mean. |
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cy1 |
(obviously it works to block water) |
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Miner_48er |
flowing water on water mills |
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BlockMen |
gd night everyone |
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| 21:49 |
Warr1024 |
so like 2 months ago I wrote a simple portability fix for minetest that got it working on OpenBSD again. |
| 21:49 |
Warr1024 |
but when I tested it, it didn't work, and it looked like some kind of unrelated issue. |
| 21:50 |
Warr1024 |
well, I just rebased it onto master and did a clean build, and lo and behold, it mysteriously now works. |
| 21:50 |
Warr1024 |
no idea why it wasn't working before, but I'm guessing I either had crap in my local env, or the original commit wasn't based on the right revision or something. |
| 21:51 |
us{0gb |
That's great that it works now. I wonder why it didn't before. |
| 21:51 |
Warr1024 |
I got a pull req in for it. |
| 21:51 |
Warr1024 |
965 |
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us{0gb |
Awesome. I hope it gets pulled, portability is great. |
| 22:10 |
Warr1024 |
heh, I was sort of hoping to bump into a dev in here, to bring it to their attention |
| 22:10 |
Warr1024 |
ah well |
| 22:12 |
Warr1024 |
I'm hoping at least 0.4.8 doesn't end up getting released breaking portability with platforms that worked before. |
| 22:12 |
Warr1024 |
though I'm only currently in a position to test OpenBSD and Debian, and I'm sure a lot of people would notice breakage on Debian at least as quickly as I do. |
| 22:13 |
sapier |
*g* difficult to maintain more and more platforms while time passes warr ;-) |
| 22:15 |
Warr1024 |
yeah, I know |
| 22:15 |
Warr1024 |
but there are some baseline standard things you can do that tend to work well enough on most platforms. |
| 22:16 |
sapier |
I'm trying for a week now to get windows builds working .... |
| 22:16 |
Warr1024 |
of course, I could just provide my portability patches to OpenBSD's ports collection just to fix OpenBSD, but as long as they don't break the other platforms, I think they'd be better for upstream. |
| 22:16 |
Warr1024 |
Windows is broken? |
| 22:16 |
sapier |
partly |
| 22:16 |
Warr1024 |
wow, that's kinda surprising. |
| 22:16 |
sapier |
I can't get localization work on vs2012 build |
| 22:16 |
sapier |
mingw32 with current gettext is fine |
| 22:17 |
sapier |
vs2010 seems to be fine too (last official minetest version) |
| 22:17 |
Warr1024 |
why using VS? |
| 22:17 |
sapier |
but gettext guys don't support vs any longer due to gpl licensing issues |
| 22:18 |
Warr1024 |
most of the open-source ported-from-*n*x stuff I've seen out there tends to be built with cygwin or mingw. |
| 22:18 |
Warr1024 |
Of course, the mingw stuff just works, while the cygwin stuff requires you to install tons of crap... |
| 22:18 |
sapier |
mingw doesn't just work too ;-) |
| 22:18 |
Warr1024 |
hm, yeah, I've had some minor dealings with it in the past |
| 22:19 |
sapier |
still not having current vs support is an issue |
| 22:19 |
Warr1024 |
I'm kind of hoping that OpenBSD support in minetest continues unofficially, at least on a "as long as there's somebody to test and submit patches" basis. |
| 22:20 |
Warr1024 |
I can't imagine trying to get something from the not-originally-written-in-VS world into VS. |
| 22:20 |
sapier |
it'd be silly not to include those patches |
| 22:20 |
Warr1024 |
which patches? |
| 22:20 |
sapier |
most oss libs work fine e.g. libogg vorbis zlib ... |
| 22:20 |
sapier |
openbsd support patches |
| 22:21 |
Warr1024 |
hypothetical ones, or specifically the pull req I submitted? |
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sapier |
generally speaking |
| 22:23 |
Warr1024 |
If you've got time to review my pull req, it's #965. |
| 22:25 |
Warr1024 |
as always, it's a rather conservative fix. |
| 22:25 |
Warr1024 |
Not really urgent of course, but I just hope it doesn't get forgotten through the 0.4.8 release. |
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Warr1024 |
Wish I knew more about your Windows builds problem, but I suspect that all I can offer you are my condolences :-/ |
| 22:31 |
ShadowNinja |
Warr1024: You should mention it in #minetest-dev. |
| 22:31 |
ShadowNinja |
Too late. :-( |
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RealBadAngel |
btw, my two cats |
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RealBadAngel |
https://scontent-b-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/s720x720/1391875_523778414381205_1796643179_n.jpg |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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arsdragonfly |
hey |
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Evergreen |
hey |
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kaeza |
sup Evergreen |
| 23:29 |
Evergreen |
sup |
| 23:29 |
Evergreen |
Anything happen while I was gone? |
| 23:30 |
kaeza |
0.4.8 was released |
| 23:30 |
kaeza |
actually no :P |
| 23:31 |
VanessaE |
thank G*d no |
| 23:31 |
VanessaE |
0.4.8 is nowhere near ready imho |
| 23:31 |
VanessaE |
(but it'll go out the door anyway probably) |
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| 23:32 |
kaeza |
still, 0.4.7 is waaay too old as of now |
| 23:32 |
kaeza |
maybe 0.4.7.1 :P |
| 23:34 |
Evergreen |
Too much has happened between 0.4.7 stable and 0.4.7 dev |
| 23:35 |
Evergreen |
All the people who don't know what github is are still waiting for 0.4.8. I agree with VanessaE though, it shouldn't be rushed |
| 23:36 |
VanessaE |
mainly, there are crash bugs that need solved before it goes out |
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kaeza |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=115531#p115531 |
| 23:40 |
kaeza |
bro, do you even spelling |
| 23:48 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 23:56 |
VanessaE |
Evergreen: "Sorry about that, been lazy about working on the stalactites/stalagmites. I'm not sure when it will be done." |
| 23:57 |
VanessaE |
get to work you lazy sod ;) |
| 23:57 |
Evergreen |
lol |
