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00:01 Inocudom In general, this is an unhappy time of year.
00:02 Peacock its the grey outside, the sudden drop of vitamin D
00:02 Peacock in the summer you have sunlight, you have energy
00:02 Peacock then it goes gray, gets dark early, and energy flatlines lol
00:03 Peacock thats why i think living near the artic circle wouldn't be bad for me, i like the night in winter, its always night in winter there, and in the summer it's always sunlight lol
00:06 Peacock though food and rent are incredibly expensive for a place few people want to live lol
00:11 VanessaE heh
00:15 Peacock hmm, there were no flowers in carboniferous era, that came in the permian
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00:20 paramat hi :)
00:22 Inocudom As the saying goes, every season has its demons.
00:23 Inocudom Much sunlight is recieved in summer, but there are many bugs and weeds too. It can also get very hot and very stormy.
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00:25 kaeza oh but it's spring here! the season of love! <3
00:27 Peacock cobblestone dwelling with a mine entrance (carboniferous) http://s21.postimg.org/l4jjsh​pk7/screenshot_3457853025.png
00:28 VanessaE looks more like adobe.
00:28 Peacock pdf reader?
00:28 VanessaE er
00:28 VanessaE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe
00:28 VanessaE that kind.
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00:29 Peacock hm, might add adobe
00:29 VanessaE naw
00:29 VanessaE there's already a mod with that
00:29 VanessaE I have it, but I forget what it was
00:29 VanessaE is*
00:29 Peacock judging from the MC carboniferous mod, everything has this yellowish-green tint to it
00:30 Peacock also have to add fossils, and a stone age grinder lol
00:30 Peacock so people can make aphrodisiacs with the bone XD
00:30 Peacock naw, bone tools :-)
00:31 VanessaE ....
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00:33 Peacock there weren't many/any desers in carboniferous either from what i can tell
00:36 paramat good work captain p, i like that screenshot
00:37 Peacock thanks, though im mostly ripping off the MC mod by the same name :P
00:38 sapier1 Dan_D yes mobf supports 2d mobs
00:46 Peacock which mod has the ferns? need quite a bit of ferns for the era :p
00:47 pitriss please i want to ask.. Is there some easy way, how I can detect OS where MT is running from mod?
00:47 pitriss Peacock: ferns mod?
00:47 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=105579#p105579
00:48 Peacock oh, it's called ferns lol
00:48 Peacock i was expecting something like moreplants+ lol
00:49 Peacock (people tend to reuse the same suffixes/prefixes) :P
00:50 kaeza pitriss, that's a hard one
00:50 Peacock pitriss you could try opening a file thats common to the same os
00:50 Peacock like c/windows/explorer.exe
00:51 kaeza pitriss, what I normally do to detect OS from Lua is check if os.getenv("WINDIR") has a no-empty value
00:51 Peacock works too lol
00:51 kaeza if it has, I assume Win32
00:51 kaeza if not, Linux
00:51 pitriss kaeza: Ohh thanks, thats better than http://www.moravel.cz/product/harr​ows-matrix-softip-darts-18g:89459/ :D thank you
00:52 kaeza it's not 100% reliable, but meh
00:52 kaeza I have yet to see a Linux user define WINDIR :P
00:53 paramat big jungle in paragenv7 http://i.imgur.com/Xfoi8Xz.png
00:55 pitriss kaeza: yeah, it is simply but for my purpose it is enough
01:07 Inocudom The servers are pretty empty, just like the forums. I thought it was only like this during the summer?
01:07 VanessaE client bugs combined with version mismatches keep people from playing
01:07 VanessaE my only guess anyway
01:08 sapier1 exactly but without a little bit less outdated release version we can't fix it
01:09 Inocudom Either that or some serious stuff is going on in their lives right now.
01:10 VanessaE maybe, Inocudom, but everyone all at once?
01:10 Inocudom Would not surprise me. The world is thrown into chaos slowly but surely.
01:10 sapier1 I recently get a lot of version missmatch related questions in mobf thread considering most ppl don't even bother to ask on error I assume number is much higher
01:11 Peacock well, 0.4.8 has been stalled for a while now, there seems to be some disagreement in core dev about direction, and not too many new mods are coming out lately... so take your pick :P
01:11 Inocudom At least Dan D is still making mods.
01:11 sapier1 0.4.8 has been stalled because of dissagreement what is necessary to be release quality ;-)
01:12 Inocudom Where did Jeija go? He has not been around for some time.
01:12 sapier1 at least thats how I understood
01:12 Peacock well from what i can tell c55 doesn't seem happy with prollers' very specific/static additions :P and more generally the amount of bugs
01:13 sapier1 haven't seen jeija for a while too but I assuem he's got more important things to do
01:13 Peacock though im glad he pulled the old skybox out of storage, that should be fun
01:13 Peacock rba, jeija and probably hmmm are all busy
01:14 sapier1 I understand celeron proller adds very specific features that can't be made generic easyly ... that's what mods are meant for
01:14 VanessaE RBA's been around but mostly overloaded with work.  hmmmm has school to rdeal with.  jeija's been working on fgpa and other electronic stuff in real life I think.
01:14 VanessaE -r
01:14 Inocudom Tis the time of year to be busy.
01:15 sapier1 I guess next development boost will be around christmas ;-)
01:15 proller Peacock, witch bugs?
01:15 Inocudom Dynamic water and vbo are good features.
01:15 Peacock well honestly in regards to weather, if we improved entities/particle spawners, we wouldn't need to hardcode weather :P
01:15 Peacock about bugs, you're kidding me right? lol
01:15 Peacock ask vanessa
01:15 proller weather is not hardcoded
01:15 sapier1 vanessae did celerons duplication fix work on your servers?
01:15 pitriss errm why minetest.setting_get() return strings with " " ?
01:16 VanessaE sapier1: it is in place, but I can't say one way or the other if it has helped
01:16 VanessaE it hasn't been up long enough
01:16 Inocudom Finite water does show potential. It doesn't seem to rev CPUs as much as it used to.
01:16 Peacock proller ive gone over the list of bugs numerous times, but i dont want to start an argument about it now on a friday night
01:16 sapier1 ok I thought the duplication would happen quite fast but maybe I got it wrong
01:17 sapier1 its saturday morning ;-)
01:17 Peacock for the record, i dont mind finite water, what pisses me off is the legacy liquids are broken (air pockets)
01:17 Peacock well, still friday night EST :P
01:17 sapier1 prollers ideas are quite interesting but some of them don't feel exactly "finished"
01:17 Peacock and im on indian time lately so probably friday morning for me lol
01:18 Inocudom You live in India?
01:18 proller sapier1, minetest is not finished too
01:18 Peacock regular liquids used to flow fine, no delay or lag, now its all fucked up lol
01:18 Peacock im not in india :P but ive mostly been a nightbird lately
01:18 VanessaE the entity dupe bug does not appear to be fixed.
01:19 sapier1 of course proller but I can't get rid of feeling they might even require conceptional changes e.g. the weather things or the viscosity
01:19 Peacock and the whole making changes to builtin to add more entities when entities are fucked up themselves, i wouldn't call that smart either lol
01:19 VanessaE there were 60-70 objects (all of which are signs and item frames, near as I can tell, and a few mobs).  near the spawn on my server, now there are over 300.
01:20 sapier1 so why do you add additional features instead of trying to fix the entity issues? ... sounds like I do things because some bug stops me from doing them how they might be meant to be done
01:20 Inocudom Vbo does not affect the massive fps drop caused by nodebox modes, glass, and leaves sadly.
01:20 Peacock well proller's not the one who added more entities though
01:21 sapier1 of course not peacock
01:21 Peacock though the lua weather mods would have worked fine if particlespawners were better, but proller didn't write particlespawners either
01:21 Inocudom I don't know if the massive fps drop concerning those is fixable. VanessaE noticed it to.
01:21 proller sapier1, air viscosity? i fixes falling stucks, but everyone starts talking about broken starwars blabla
01:21 sapier1 it still doesn't feel right to add the features to core after we tried to move all specific things to modapi
01:22 proller Peacock, melting-freezing cant be done with mods
01:22 sapier1 proller you fixed it by assuming minetest will always be a game with surface around height 0
01:22 Peacock well i wrote 4seasons what, 1-2 years ago? worked fine for me :P
01:22 sapier1 if this was true your fix would be great
01:22 sapier1 but it isn't
01:23 proller sapier1, i fixed something boring, it was target
01:23 VanessaE Inocudom: cy thinks it's something inherent in entities themselves, not so much how many there are.  he's been doing some tests with them
01:23 proller Peacock, for you only
01:23 proller Peacock, compare it with dynamic weather stuff in -next
01:23 sapier1 yes but if you fix a car not driving right on rails your solution may be perfect to drive on rails but others still want to drive their car on streets
01:24 Inocudom I suggested the plantlike drawtype for leaves as an option before.
01:24 Peacock point is, engine shouldn't be coding weather, it should be coding the tools to make weather possible mod-side :P that way, we can customize what kind of weather we want, be it on earth or in outer space :P
01:24 Inocudom Make them look more plantlike, and might cause a slight boost in fps.
01:25 proller Peacock, did you look on my core weather changes?
01:25 Inocudom Customization is very important. Don't make the same mistakes Cube 2 Sauerbraten did.
01:25 Peacock though like i said, my biggest concern right now isn't weather, its the broken legacy liquids that tick me off lol
01:25 Peacock and the whole sun/moon flickery thing underground
01:25 sapier1 yes weather system is quite acceptable compared to the falling fix issues
01:26 sapier1 btw did anyone ever build minetest on cygwin64?
01:27 proller sapier1, most servers-players use minetest_game with 0,0,0 spawn
01:27 VanessaE proller,  probably not.
01:27 proller my fix not acceptable only for space games, but show me one
01:27 Peacock many space games have been tried
01:28 VanessaE hah, speak of.  I spy you, cy1  ;)
01:28 sapier1 your fix has issues for mods adding second surface too
01:28 sapier1 e.g. nether mod
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01:28 Peacock realms? i had several of those too :P
01:28 sapier1 isn't there a sky mod too?
01:28 Peacock and my current server has ground level at y=100
01:29 proller sapier1, issuel like what?
01:29 proller sapier1, did you try it?
01:29 Peacock if you can't customize shit, it's not an engine :P
01:29 proller if you cant fall -  it's not an engine :P
01:30 sapier1 like falling is calculated wrong at those realms because they are at y 10000 ... don't take the numbers for real I don't know the exact value
01:30 Peacock well in space for ex., you can't fall, you drift
01:30 proller sapier1, try first, then describe issue
01:31 sapier1 proller I don't need to try you told your calculation uses y value so if I'm at +10000 I'm gonna fall different to falling at -10000
01:32 proller but its hard to feel difference
01:33 sapier1 so you exchange one error by another one ... that's not a fix
01:34 sapier1 btw if there isn't a difference that fix is useless anyway
01:34 proller its not error, its subject to next step
01:34 proller try it first
01:34 proller this discussion useless
01:35 sapier1 proller I don't need to try things that are wrong by concept
01:35 sapier1 you can't try any possible things
01:35 proller big part of minetest wrong by concept
01:35 yoyi We are all falling in space.
01:36 proller but you can try condemn every thing
01:36 sapier1 proller if you feel minetest beeing wrong why do you contribute?
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01:36 proller im trying to make better
01:37 Peacock you might like coding for mt-classic more, its only got one game
01:38 sapier1 imho peacock might be right mt-classic is more what you seem to make minetest
01:39 Peacock well mt-classic is the game itself, not an engine, so game-specific features would be more at home there
01:40 Peacock engine needs pulls that modders can use, cuz i don't know if anyone's noticed, but the number of new mods are down
01:40 sapier1 current mt development tries to create a generic game engine ... this isn't completely done of course but at least by now it's the direction
01:42 Peacock generic is good, the more options the better imho
01:49 NakedFury certain "generic" things are needed in game engines
01:50 Peacock well already the skybox is encouraging, we can have games based on environments other than earth :-)
01:50 hmmmm [09:14 PM] <VanessaE> RBA's been around but mostly overloaded with work.  hmmmm has school to rdeal with.  jeija's been working on fgpa and other electronic stuff in real life I think.
01:51 VanessaE hm?
01:51 Peacock old quote is old :P
01:51 hmmmm I'm done with school, I'm working now which takes a significantly longer amount of time out of my day
01:51 hmmmm that's why you never see me
01:51 VanessaE understood.  guess my info is out of date.
01:51 NakedFury work is evil
01:51 hmmmm back when I was in school I was able to do minetest
01:51 Peacock school is like 6 hours out of a day, work can be like, 10, 12 hours lol
01:51 Peacock in my case ive done 16 hour shifts, and one time, 24 lol
01:52 Peacock (being shortstaffed is a bitch lol)
01:52 hmmmm plus on the weekends I've been taking care of crap
01:52 hmmmm just starting out, y'know?
01:52 VanessaE yup, I know.
01:52 hmmmm still don't have a couch
01:52 * paramat notices its full moon 8)
01:52 VanessaE been there, done that :-/
01:52 hmmmm also I'd say part of it is that I'm stuck on a bit of the lua main menu that's agonizing to code
01:53 Peacock dont worry, since the last bankruptcy we haven't had a couch for the past 3 years lol
01:53 hmmmm i'm gonna try to get that done by this weekend though
01:58 paramat hmmmm, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7366 :)
01:59 hmmmm o.O cool
01:59 sapier1 hmmmm do you have any special questions?
01:59 hmmmm sapier, no, it's just agonizing to do that much GUI code
01:59 sapier1 yea I understand :-)
02:00 hmmmm like I'd open up the file in gedit and then go to do something else
02:00 hmmmm and i wouldn't end up working on it at all
02:00 hmmmm just because it's like..... hideous
02:00 NakedFury wow this is the image I love from paramat thread: http://i.imgur.com/P2U7VD3.jpg
02:01 sapier1 *g* what are you trying to do hmmmm?
02:01 hmmmm there was a screenshot of it on the forum
02:01 hmmmm lemme dig it up
02:01 Peacock i need to modify that mod to match the carbinoferous period, should be fun lol
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02:03 hmmmm https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=111007#p111007
02:03 hmmmm and then I wanted to add a formspec type for hyperlinks
02:03 sapier1 the hud thing?
02:03 hmmmm and then I wanted to add a table formspec type
02:03 Peacock wish i could set those settings in a game/mod rather than .conf
02:04 hmmmm editable table
02:04 hmmmm and then now i stare at what i currently have for 10 seconds and then do something different
02:04 NakedFury sliders, text boxes, check boxes, drop down lists, etc
02:04 sapier1 wow :-) that's even more agonizing anythin has been done with formspec by now
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02:05 Peacock sliders would be cool yeah
02:05 sapier1 I didn't write tables but only textlist because of the feeling I'd open up a huge construction site if I tried to add full featured tables
02:06 hmmmm exaclty
02:06 hmmmm i had something planned but i never put any code down for them
02:06 hmmmm exactly*
02:06 sapier1 isn't there some table code in a pull request?
02:06 hmmmm that would be pretty cool if there was
02:07 sapier1 kahrl did this https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/920
02:07 hmmmm power of kahrl!
02:07 Peacock if i wanted to set mapgen params specific to one game without affection the other games, is that doable? or must i pass through either minetest.conf or map_meta.txt
02:07 hmmmm that guy is a code *monster*
02:07 sapier1 it's still quite complex in usage
02:08 hmmmm Peacock, yes, you can set mapgen parameters in a mod
02:08 sapier1 but as I know kahrl it'll work
02:08 Peacock w/ minetest.register_on_mapgen_init() ?
02:08 hmmmm yep
02:09 hmmmm for technical reasons, inside that callback is the only time you have to set them
02:09 Peacock i had to lookup doc lua api .txt lol just noticed that function
02:09 Peacock fairly new
02:09 Peacock (or maybe i wasnt paying attention) lol but sweet :-)
02:10 Peacock im guessing MapgenParams would be an array?
02:11 hmmmm there are no arrays in lua
02:11 hmmmm only tables
02:11 Peacock table/array, in php/lua theyre pretty much documented the same lol
02:12 hmmmm if you look at the second line of the description in lua_api.txt, you'll see what fields are there
02:12 Peacock sweet so i can get rid of deserts in carbinoferous
02:12 hmmmm you actually set the mapgen parameters with minetest.set_mapgen_params
02:12 hmmmm look that one up
02:12 sapier1 not exactly there's a special sort of tables with number indices
02:12 sapier1 hmmmm kahrls tables don't seem to be editable
02:13 hmmmm agh
02:14 Peacock ah ok, what does _init do different?
02:14 hmmmm one is a callback telling you that the mapgen is currently being initialized, the other sets mapgen parameters equal to what you tell it
02:15 Peacock aiight so for my purposes i dont need _init
02:15 hmmmm you do
02:15 Peacock i have to call _params within _init?
02:15 hmmmm if you read the documentation, you'd see that the only time you can set parameters is on mapgen init
02:15 * arsdragonfly_ 's hard disk turned again this morning
02:16 VanessaE well I'd think turning is a good thing for a hard drive ;)
02:16 Peacock turned? it defected to the soviet union?
02:16 Peacock aiight yeah i have to call params within init, seems straightforward enough :-)
02:16 arsdragonfly_ last night when i turned my rig on after 2 weeks' downtime, i could hear the noise of the hard disk
02:16 VanessaE failing bearings?
02:16 arsdragonfly_ sounded like it was stuck
02:17 VanessaE freezer.
02:17 Peacock careful, my 7yr old 160gb did a mighty noise before dieing too
02:17 Peacock and the microwave too, last weekend lol
02:17 arsdragonfly_ and there was nothing on the screen
02:17 VanessaE pop it in the freezer for like half an hour, start it up and if necessary, give it a good twist to try to get the disk to spin.  then clone it before it dies completely.
02:18 Peacock my microwave doesn't fit in the freezer :(
02:18 VanessaE heh
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02:19 arsdragonfly_ this morning the noise was gone , but there was still nothing on the screen, and I rubbed the pins of the memory with a rubber
02:20 arsdragonfly_ then it started up, showing a GRUB prompt screen :-(
02:20 Peacock yeah, send it to planet Genesis and hope for the best
02:21 VanessaE It's dead, Jim.
02:24 Inocudom You mean to say that your hard drive died? How then are you here?
02:24 VanessaE second computer?  new disk?
02:24 VanessaE live CD/DVD/USB?
02:24 Peacock USB boot would still work
02:24 Peacock CD? oh yeah i think i saw those on the history channel :P
02:26 Peacock look, CDs: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons​/thumb/e/e4/Aten_disk.jpg/300px-Aten_disk.jpg
02:27 VanessaE heh
02:27 Peacock :P
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02:32 Inocudom Has oOChainLynxOo ever been here?
02:32 Inocudom Has he ever been in this chat room?
02:34 ShadowNinja ... : Error displaying the error page
02:34 VanessaE Inocudom: ages ago yeah
02:35 Inocudom He did? What day was this?
02:35 VanessaE months ago.
02:35 kaeza ShadowNinja, errorception?
02:35 kaeza :P
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02:36 VanessaE error processing the error encountered while trying to display the error page.
02:38 roguejedi79 I've recently started a server. I want to install some mods and grant myself admin rights but cant figure out how to stop/start my server
02:39 Menche you can use the command /shutdown in-game
02:39 Menche if you have the "server" priv
02:39 roguejedi79 Dont have privs
02:39 roguejedi79 Cant add until server restarts
02:40 Menche your user doesn't have /grant ?
02:40 roguejedi79 Not by default
02:40 Menche killing the server with "killall" doesn't hurt anything, i don't think
02:40 Menche or ctrl-C
02:41 Menche i usually stop mine with "killall"
02:41 roguejedi79 Type in game or in terminal?
02:41 Menche terminal
02:41 Menche "killall minetestserver"
02:42 Menche then of course add "name = username" to the conf file so you have privs
02:43 roguejedi79 I'll give it a try in the morning. Thank you
02:53 * paramat wonders if wuzzy is fuzzy
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03:05 * arsdragonfly 's rig is showing inconsistent results across every reboot...
03:05 arsdragonfly time to say goodbye to it
03:06 VanessaE hammer, nails, tree, shotgun.
03:06 VanessaE use your imagination ;)
03:13 Inocudom What do you think of the bee in the following video? http://youtu.be/zPSH6-UC4Og
03:13 arsdragonfly lol
03:15 Inocudom It is a male carpenter bee, which has no stinger.
03:19 VanessaE big bug
03:20 Inocudom Yes. And timid too.
03:23 Inocudom It is actually a rather cute little thing. They can be kept as pets in containers, fed honey, and petted.
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04:15 cy1 ShadowNinja: you don't have a survival server, do you?
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06:41 sfan5 hi everyone
06:41 VanessaE hi
06:46 us|0gb Hello!
06:47 VanessaE hi
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07:35 cy1 us|0gb: man, your server is no fun :p
07:35 us|0gb No fun? Why not?
07:36 cy1 When I dig the blocks, it makes the blocks poof appear again
07:36 us|0gb Sorry about that. I wonder if it's slowing down again ...
07:36 cy1 neh, no idea
07:38 us|0gb Oh, I forgot, it's performing a backup right now. That's probably eating all its bandwidth.
07:43 cy1 Not a bandwidth thing. That version of minetest is ridiculously picky about latency.
07:43 us|0gb So 0.4.6 would be better? Or 0.4.8 when it arrives?
07:44 VanessaE guys I have a map-saving problem on my hands and I cannot find the solution
07:45 us|0gb What is the issue?
07:45 VanessaE I'm checking one thing real quick
07:46 VanessaE ok
07:46 VanessaE seems I cannot save the map data in a particular mapblock
07:46 VanessaE kaeza: ^^^
07:46 us|0gb Is it only that block?
07:46 us|0gb Is map_meta.txt blank?
07:46 VanessaE it may be, I moved to a different location and tested the ability to save, worked fine there
07:47 us|0gb No idea then. Sorry.
07:47 VanessaE nope, it isn't blank.
07:47 us|0gb If it was blank, you would be able to save in other blocks either.
07:47 us|0gb (Though I don;t know why not.)
07:48 VanessaE I did cancel the server in the middle of /clearobjects earlier
07:48 VanessaE lemme re-run that, see if that clears it up
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07:49 VanessaE OF COURSE the server doesn't warn me, let alone tell me WHY it won't save in that block
07:50 us|0gb No, of course not. It doesn't warn with the blank map_meta.txt saving issue either.
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07:54 Dan_D In default Minetest, how do i get 'the green man' back?
07:55 us|0gb Comment out the line in the default "mod" that loads the 3D player.
07:55 Dan_D Which line? Sorry for being a noob.
07:55 Dan_D Which .lua file?
07:56 us|0gb Hold on, I'll look it up.
07:56 Dan_D Thanks!
07:56 kaeza player.lua
07:56 Dan_D So player.lua, there is a line
07:56 us|0gb No, the line that loads player.lua.
07:56 Dan_D The dofile?
07:56 us|0gb Yeah.
07:56 kaeza yes
07:56 Dan_D In init.lua
07:57 us|0gb I'm looking up where that is.
07:57 Dan_D At the top
07:57 us|0gb Oh, you have it? Good.
07:57 Dan_D That simple? Really? Awesome if so
07:57 us|0gb THat's all it takes.
07:58 us|0gb Just ass "--" to the beginning of that line.
07:58 us|0gb *add
07:58 sfan5 lol
07:58 Dan_D Were axes in 0.3.1?
07:58 us|0gb My "s" key is just near my "d" key.
07:59 us|0gb I think so, yes.
07:59 Dan_D Actually, no. WHat tools altogether were in 0.3.1?
07:59 Dan_D I want mt_nostalgia to be as classicish as possible
08:05 Dan_D So, the full set of tools, minus diamond and bronze?
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08:07 VanessaE ok, fixed the write problem with the map - /clearobjects restored it to normal.
08:07 VanessaE (my survival map)
08:07 cy1 I feel absolutely 0 nostalgia for 0.3.1
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08:13 VanessaE Dan_D: can you try my survival server please.  experiment.
08:13 Dan_D No. It is too slow to play on, sorry.
08:14 VanessaE try it
08:14 VanessaE I may have fixed it
08:15 VanessaE please?
08:15 Dan_D Ok
08:18 Dan_D Why did you restart it?
08:19 VanessaE player.lua crash
08:19 VanessaE that same stupid intermittent crash we keep seeing,.  cy has a possible fix, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/207
08:19 VanessaE I have not applied the fix because I wanted to see others' opinions of it
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08:31 Dan_D VanessaE, update mt_nostalgia now?
08:31 VanessaE done.
08:31 Dan_D Ok, restart?
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08:57 VanessaE bbl, bedtime.
08:57 VanessaE (way past, actually)
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09:30 reactor o/
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10:07 rotcaer Uh.
10:07 rotcaer Mesecons is buggy handling doors.
10:08 rotcaer If I put two doors next to each other, facing each other with their free ends, one will become open in "0" state.
10:08 rotcaer I'm not sure if I'm using the freshest mesecons, though.
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11:28 PenguinDad hi Jordach
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11:33 Evergreen Hello everyone
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11:35 Jordach -!- Initialising...
11:35 darkrose SIGSEGV
11:35 Jordach y u here darkrose
11:36 Jordach haha
11:36 Jordach i've been working on textures btw
11:36 darkrose haven't been here for ages, thought I'd look in
11:36 RBMK ?
11:37 Jordach darkrose, why do you need two sets of textures for doors
11:37 darkrose uh ?
11:37 darkrose oh, window + plain?
11:37 Jordach yes
11:37 RBMK I would like to suggest a door type: glass door.
11:38 darkrose in case someone wants to to a crossy looking thing for the window top, and plain planks for the plain top
11:40 Jordach darkrose, can't you use the nodebox style from minetest_game
11:40 Jordach where the texture decides on the window
11:41 Jordach and your server needs an update: menche has build the next branch
11:45 darkrose minetest_game just uses plain doors, then uses a transparent texture?
11:45 darkrose and my servers will stay on release, when next moves to master, I'll update
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11:58 john_minetest Hello everypony
11:58 RBMK o/
11:58 RBMK I'm not a pony, though. Do not call me that
11:58 RBMK s/$/./
12:03 john_minetest Everybody is a pony deep inside.
12:03 john_minetest :b
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12:12 RBMK john_minetest: I have no problem with your unconscious. But refrain from projecting it on others.
12:12 john_minetest I was just kidding.
12:13 RBMK Not everyone has sense of humour, as well.
12:14 john_minetest Here on #minetest it is kind of an insider joke that I always say "hello everypony".
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12:15 markveidemanis Hello
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12:17 RBMK john_minetest: oh. Inside jokes.
12:18 john_minetest It is like it is usual here to write "/me puts a cat/pony on <name>'s head".
12:18 * john_minetest puts a cat on MinetestBot's head
12:18 * RBMK puts an angry cat on john_minetest's head and watches his eyes getting gouged out by it.
12:18 john_minetest :D
12:18 RBMK Now are you satisfied?
12:19 john_minetest Yep.
12:19 john_minetest You are now a master of the art of being a #minetest guy :D
12:19 * PenguinDad puts a maine coon cat RBMK's head
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12:24 PenguinDad the cat kicked him =)
12:24 Evolykane Hmm
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12:27 RBMK You don't drink, don't smoke, what do you do?
12:27 RBMK Subtle innuendos follow, there must be something inside!
12:35 Jordach ...suck cock?
12:36 RBMK Idk, that's a song :)
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13:03 Megaf hey folks, have you ever seen girteronemo online?
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13:04 Megaf its an idiot griefer
13:04 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
13:04 RBMK idk
13:04 RBMK PilzAdam: o/
13:04 RBMK PlizAdam: how's the science?
13:04 Megaf he griefs then he says like "help, someone grifed here" it was nickname!"
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13:04 Megaf Hi PilzAdam
13:05 RBMK Megaf: so what, use server log as proof.
13:05 RBMK Try and enable rollback.
13:05 RBMK And finally, ban him.
13:05 RBMK If not helping, rangeban.
13:05 Megaf RBMK, yep, I know that, and did it
13:05 Megaf rangeban:
13:05 Megaf ?
13:05 Megaf whats that?
13:06 RBMK As in, ban a whole range of network numbers.
13:06 Evergreen Megaf, someone called jeckiojen just posted in the servers section "MEGAF IS GAY.....  SHHH!!!!!
13:06 RBMK Not sure if MT supports it.
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13:06 Evergreen He is a new user
13:06 Megaf Evergreen, perhaps some grieffer I banned
13:06 Evergreen Probably
13:07 Megaf RBMK, I think it does not have that yet
13:07 Megaf wildcards, I would appreciate that
13:08 RBMK There might be.
13:08 PenguinDad i think i'll ban 255.255.255.255 :D
13:08 RBMK PenguinDad: limited broadcast.
13:09 RBMK will probably do nothing
13:10 Megaf Evergreen, heh https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7468
13:10 Megaf kids...
13:11 thexyz just ban 0.0.0.0/0 and be done with that
13:11 Megaf I have never seen him actually
13:11 RBMK I have to confess. It was me.
13:12 RBMK ...not.
13:12 john_minetest PenguinDad: You should ban 127.0.0.1. He can access the server and has large potential to grief.
13:13 Megaf people dont like to play minetest on saturdays mornings
13:14 RBMK Why?
13:14 RBMK john_minetest: depends.
13:14 RBMK john_minetest: depends on where the server is hosted.
13:14 RBMK Btw, john_minetest.
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13:14 RBMK john_minetest: btw, research facility?
13:14 PenguinDad i play red eclipse on saturday mornings :D
13:15 john_minetest RBMK: Anywhere it is hosted people can do "ctrl-c" or delete the admin file or set prics and stuff.
13:15 john_minetest RBMK: okay, let's start
13:15 RBMK Yep.
13:15 thexyz lol https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7469
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13:28 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=114689#p114689 "and simple mobs has better AI,spawning places and models than mobf."
13:31 john_minetest is simple mobs the one with the skeletons in the desert dropping stuff?
13:31 john_minetest stuff= sand
13:36 PilzAdam simple mobs has sand monsters
13:36 PilzAdam or some people call them mummies, IIRC
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13:36 john_minetest ok
13:36 PilzAdam john_minetest, btw, hows your uni?
13:36 john_minetest then it is simple mobs. A few pics would be nice on the simple mob site.
13:37 john_minetest My uni is nice.
13:37 john_minetest not much students and very nice place.
13:37 john_minetest 4 student clubs on the campus.
13:38 NekoGloop I wish the simple mobs would actually -drop- the item
13:41 PilzAdam NekoGloop, in earlier versions they did, but I removed it because there were too many items lying arround
13:41 NekoGloop If killed by a player, that is
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13:48 john_minetest maybe an option like "simplemob_drop_item=true" in the config would make sense.
13:48 john_minetest will simplemobs become part of minetest_game?
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14:01 Dan_D Constructive criticism, what do you think? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7463
14:01 Dan_D !title
14:01 MinetestBot Dan_D: [Server] Minetest Nostalgia! VanessaE&#039;s super-fast new server! (Page 1) — Servers — Minetes[...]
14:02 zat Ecssiting
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14:26 Evergreen Look at this animation that someone did in blender, it's incredible   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i2A​bTPspfg&amp;list=PLCB20EB84599FAEC2
14:26 nore !title
14:27 MinetestBot nore: Assassin&#39;s Craft III: Minecraft Trailer Mashups - YouTube
14:27 Evergreen It's a minecraft animation by the way
14:28 CWz theres one thing that  bugging me is his name pronounced  piles-adam or pills-adam?
14:28 zat I miss blender :c
14:28 PilzAdam thats a Minetest 1.0 trailer ;-)
14:30 zat not impressive... exactly the same as the Lego fad, with a different name and slightly different presentation.
14:30 PilzAdam Evergreen, IIRC you played pilztest, right?
14:31 Evergreen Yes
14:31 PilzAdam do you have an idea for a better name?
14:31 Evergreen zat:   I'd like to see you do something better in blender
14:31 Evergreen Hmm
14:32 thexyz > &#39;
14:32 thexyz lame
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14:34 zat Evergreen: Must I be an artist in order to criticize art? must I be musician in order to criticize music?
14:35 zat must I be a singer in order to recognize a lame singer?
14:35 PilzAdam zat, you should be a coder to judge code :-p
14:35 zat I think we are talking of different things here
14:35 zat however, I used to use blender a lot
14:36 zat and even made a video, a remake test of Star Raiders 2 of Atari.
14:36 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/QnNgeiG.jpg
14:36 zat it took me like three days to learn blender and render the final video.
14:36 zat who wanna see it?
14:37 thexyz can't you just post the link?
14:37 zat I would have to upload the video, I have not made it available in years.
14:38 zat It used to be on Youtube around 2005 or 2006
14:38 john_minetest stupid windows...
14:38 RBMK Windows sucks.
14:39 NekoGloop Yeah, sure, whatever
14:39 john_minetest I wish I had a proper OS now.
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14:39 john_minetest I want to compile minetest with the epic lit up block faces.
14:39 RBMK john_minetest: try FreeBSD.
14:39 RBMK lit up?
14:40 NekoGloop You can compile minetest on windows...?
14:40 NekoGloop (emphasis on can)
14:40 Calinou never succeeded at it :(
14:40 thexyz yeah, you see, it's not that bad
14:40 thexyz it feels like LFS at times, I think
14:40 NekoGloop I did, it just ran slow as fuck because that computer was old as fuck
14:40 NekoGloop haven't tried again with this one
14:40 thexyz you have to manually resolve all dependencies
14:40 thexyz > 2013
14:41 RBMK thexyй: windows compilation
14:41 RBMK ?
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14:41 john_minetest https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/772
14:41 john_minetest xyj?
14:41 john_minetest :D
14:41 RBMK :D
14:41 RBMK >:D
14:42 thexyz this is not nice
14:42 thexyz although I'm not surprised at all
14:42 RBMK Sorry. I do like messing with people's nicks.
14:42 thexyz oh, you're reactor
14:42 RBMK I am.
14:42 thexyz I see
14:42 RBMK How's you guess?
14:43 john_minetest xy3 is more like it
14:43 zat thexyz, PilzAdam, Evergreen: http://youtu.be/DSqejMWyk9g
14:44 Megaf it would be nice if the was a mod that auto cleans, like a time out, items on floor
14:44 Megaf so we don't have to /clearobjects
14:45 RBMK Is falling sand subject to /slearobjects?
14:45 PilzAdam zat, not very impressive
14:45 RBMK I still don't get what happens if sand is placed above void.
14:45 RBMK And pushed.
14:45 zat PilzAdam: It was my third day learning to use blender, I did not expect it to be awesome.
14:45 zat (and 8 years ago)
14:46 RBMK It should fall indetinitely until it overflows the coordinate buffer, and interesting things happen then?
14:46 PilzAdam zat, how does that matter?
14:46 RBMK s/detini/defini/
14:46 RBMK Shit.
14:46 zat PilzAdam: how does that matter for what? what should it matter for?
14:46 zat Third day using a 3d modeling program and rendering that video... isn’t that enough?
14:47 PilzAdam you seem to said that as an answer to my comment that its not impresssive
14:47 Evergreen Impressive on that scale
14:47 zat Also, you probably don’t know the original game, that is why you do not understand the video.
14:47 Evergreen I couldn't do that now, really should learn how to use blender
14:48 Evergreen That is actually quite impressive  for being new to blender, I applaud you
14:48 zat However, my comment was about the concept... We have all watched dozens of Lego parodies, not much different to the video of Minecraft characters, a while ago.
14:48 zat Thx Evergreen, anyway... I still think I do not need to know blender in order to criticize a video.
14:49 Evergreen ^ True
14:49 Evergreen It's mostly all the particles and special effects
14:49 zat I was going to be a professional 3d animator, with blender... but I abandoned it 8 years ago
14:49 zat and decided to develop software
14:49 Evergreen that is difficult
14:49 john_minetest zat: Wait, you rendered http://youtu.be/DSqejMWyk9g in blender 8 years ago?
14:49 zat Yes john_minetest.
14:49 zat Maybe 7, I am not sure.
14:50 zat But I had just finished high school then.
14:50 zat So it was around 7 or 8 years ago.
14:51 john_minetest wow, that's impressing. Blender got a lot of features over the time so at this time it must have been even more difficult to do that.
14:51 zat well I did many tricks lol
14:51 zat I still have the original blend files
14:51 john_minetest Reminds me of that game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_gOEztr​-e0&amp;feature=player_detailpage#t=209
14:52 zat WTF lol
14:52 zat john_minetest: you must compare my video to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU3oOTcbDd8
14:53 PilzAdam ShadowBot, huh?
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14:58 RBMK Is there a portal gun for MT?
14:58 PilzAdam there are teleport arrows in my bows mod
14:58 RBMK mk
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14:59 thexyz who the fuck did remove that awesome desu post
14:59 nore the problem is that a portal would need to be entered
15:00 thexyz it was resting in offtopic and they someone came and killed it
15:00 nore and for that, the node behind it would need to be set non-solid
15:01 zsoltisawesome why are we talking about portals?
15:02 RBMK Why not?
15:02 zat john_minetest: checked it?
15:02 john_minetest zat: yeah
15:03 zsoltisawesome Just wondering where the conversation started
15:03 zat john_minetest: noticeable the influence? lol
15:04 zsoltisawesome S
15:04 john_minetest :D
15:05 zsoltisawesome I have a word that has 9 letters in it, try to guess it!
15:05 zat abcdeffgihj
15:05 zat uh typed it wrong
15:05 Exio4 zsoltisaw
15:05 Exio4 there
15:05 zsoltisawesome Nope
15:05 Exio4 9 letters, where is my prize
15:06 zsoltisawesome It's not right
15:06 RBMK zsoltisawesome: idk
15:06 john_minetest mineteest
15:06 RBMK zsoltisawesome: 2 minutes ago
15:06 RBMK zsoltisawesome: I'm saying I would like to see the portal gun in MT
15:06 zsoltisawesome John_minetest: Very close
15:06 zsoltisawesome Oh
15:06 john_minetest minecraft
15:07 zsoltisawesome Nope
15:07 john_minetest infiniminer
15:07 zsoltisawesome Its something minetest related
15:07 RBMK ?
15:07 Exio4 mese crystal
15:08 RBMK I've always wondered how one could render MT maps.
15:08 RBMK Automatically, without blender.
15:08 zsoltisawesome Nope
15:08 PilzAdam RBMK, there is a program for it
15:08 RBMK Good.
15:08 RBMK It's not OS-dependent, right?
15:08 PilzAdam it also has a built-in map editor
15:08 RBMK Cool.
15:09 PilzAdam no, it runs on windows, linux and osx
15:09 zsoltisawesome Awesome!
15:09 RBMK PilzAdam: it's closed source?
15:09 PilzAdam no, open source
15:09 zsoltisawesome Solaris?
15:09 RBMK Has anyone tried building it on BSD?
15:09 PilzAdam yes, it runs fine AFAIK
15:09 PilzAdam its on github, lemme get the link...
15:10 PilzAdam there: https://github.com/minetest/minetest
15:10 zsoltisawesome I would ask you the same question for Solaris
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15:10 zsoltisawesome What? That's the minetest git
15:10 markveidemanis You think its funny...
15:11 markveidemanis But really thats really stupid
15:11 RBMK PilzAdam: *slow clap*
15:11 redravid has any one here used the teleport mod?
15:11 * RBMK sprays some neurotoxin around
15:11 * markveidemanis starts shivering
15:12 RBMK markveidemanis: o/
15:13 redravid im trying to find the recipe to make a teleporter
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15:14 redravid but its not on the mods forum post
15:14 * markveidemanis flies up
15:16 Exio4 lol, gg PilzAdam
15:16 Exio4 that was a good move
15:18 NekoGloop minetestmapper's still a thing right?
15:19 Exio4 without leveldb support, though
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15:25 RBMK markveidemanis: how's the science?
15:26 markveidemanis science?
15:26 RBMK Science.
15:26 markveidemanis I feel a little bit sick from all this neurotoxin
15:27 RBMK Good.
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15:45 RBMK Why do servers eat that much CPU idle?
15:46 RBMK like 5% each on a 2000 MHz machine
15:46 RBMK Oh. No. I revoke the question. The clock was 300 MHz while observing.
15:47 RBMK Machines with variable clock are confusing at times.
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16:07 roguejedi79 i'm getting a warning when logging into minetest that my client may not be compatible with the server. how do i tell what version the server is on?
16:08 PilzAdam roguejedi79, look at http://minetest.net/servers or the forum topic of the server
16:09 PilzAdam hmm... the list at http://minetest.net/servers seems to be broken
16:09 roguejedi79 didnt have any luck there earlier but i'll check again. thank you
16:09 PilzAdam proller, any ideas?
16:10 roguejedi79 stupidly enough, i'm playing on my own server, my client is .4.7, just dont know how to tell what my server is at
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16:18 sfan5 !op
16:19 RBMK sfan5: o/
16:19 RBMK How's the patch?
16:19 sfan5 RBMK: are you reactor?
16:20 RBMK I am.
16:20 RBMK Oh hi.
16:33 markveidemanis Where can i get the source for the serverlist?
16:34 thexyz markveidemanis: https://github.com/minetest/mi​netest/tree/master/util/master
16:37 markveidemanis thats it?
16:37 markveidemanis ok
16:37 thexyz yes, both server and client code
16:38 markveidemanis ok
16:39 markveidemanis im gonna test it
16:39 thexyz test it how?
16:39 markveidemanis wait, what about the fancy one on the website?
16:40 PilzAdam markveidemanis, thats the same source
16:40 PilzAdam the table is just placed inside of a wiki page
16:40 markveidemanis ok
16:40 markveidemanis what do i do with the perl file?
16:41 PilzAdam what perl file?
16:41 markveidemanis master.cgi
16:42 PilzAdam run it
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16:44 markveidemanis http://f.marktest.co.uk/ uploaded and extracted everything there
16:44 RBMK mk
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16:44 fhgfhfghfh im developing a infiniminer clone for pc
16:44 PilzAdam markveidemanis, now you need minetest servers that announce to that server
16:44 RBMK fhgfhfghfh: very original name. *slow clap*
16:45 fhgfhfghfh ok, virtualfall
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16:45 RBMK fhgfhfghfh: so why not jointhe development of MT?
16:45 RBMK s/nt/n t/
16:45 fhgfhfghfh why the irrlicht engine is bad...
16:45 RBMK Together we stand, dividing we fall. (c) Pink Floyd.
16:45 Jordach that would be a start, yes
16:45 RBMK irrlicht is not perfect, but not bad
16:46 Jordach still better than ogre
16:46 RBMK at least one can compile it on BSd without problems
16:46 RBMK s/Sd/SD/
16:46 fhgfhfghfh the project page: www.develteam.com/Game/MinerLife/
16:46 RBMK mk
16:47 * Jordach pokes VanessaE
16:47 PilzAdam fhgfhfghfh, whats the license? where do I download the source?
16:47 fhgfhfghfh ( is in development :P )
16:48 RBMK Well that page has just rendered my terminal unresponsive.
16:48 fhgfhfghfh why?
16:48 PilzAdam oh, that kind of project...
16:49 RBMK PilzAdam: what kind of?
16:49 RBMK fhgfhfghfh: idk.
16:49 RBMK fhgfhfghfh: it just did
16:49 PilzAdam RBMK, its currently in the "idea state"
16:49 RBMK I had to kill links.
16:49 RBMK PilzAdam: oh.
16:49 RBMK -_-
16:49 fhgfhfghfh ... http://www.develteam.com/src​/images/avatar_blank_100.jpg
16:49 PilzAdam and my experience is that it will not get far
16:49 RBMK "I will do that and that and blablabla."
16:50 RBMK Well, I will take over the world.
16:50 RBMK Just saying.
16:50 PilzAdam anyway, fhgfhfghfh, you should use the Minetest engine
16:50 RBMK fhgfhfghfh: yep
16:50 fhgfhfghfh is in C++?
16:51 PilzAdam what you describe in the blog posts is perfectly doable with the Minetest API
16:51 Jordach yes
16:51 fhgfhfghfh hmm.....
16:51 RBMK I'm not sure mow many people in the world are trying to reinvent the bicycle.
16:51 RBMK Because of such people there are lame things like dbus, hal and pulseaudio.
16:51 PilzAdam the engine is written in c++, but the game will be written in Lua using the API
16:51 RBMK And systemd.
16:51 Jordach agreed with Adam here :P
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16:52 Jordach better, didnt have 24hr timestamps active lol
16:53 fhgfhfghfh with this engine the game is possible to put in consoles? (openpandora etc...)
16:53 PilzAdam Minetest runs pretty much on everything where you can port irrlicht to
16:54 PilzAdam sooo... ask the Irrlicht people ;-)
16:54 Jordach and not us :P
16:54 fhgfhfghfh Why Raspberry Pi is bad for mt?
16:54 PilzAdam the server can run on a PI
16:55 Jordach because it is just too slow for 3d gaming
16:56 RBMK But RPI has a GPU, doesn't it?
16:56 Jordach yes, but it is underpowered for gaming
16:56 RBMK mk
16:57 fhgfhfghfh Esist a BitCoin mod for mt? (ps: sorry for the questions)
16:57 RBMK Hmm.
16:57 RBMK I wonder what machine I could buy for data processing using CUDA.
16:59 fhgfhfghfh Ask on Stack Exange ;)
16:59 fhgfhfghfh RBMK
17:00 john_minetest iirc there is something with bitcoins. maybe only some idea on the forums.
17:00 RBMK fhgfhfghfh: if I wanted to ask there, I would ask there.
17:00 john_minetest https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5014
17:00 john_minetest bitcoins. there it is
17:01 RBMK Bitcoins is waste of CPU cycles.
17:01 RBMK Waste of fuel, ultimately.
17:01 john_minetest atm.
17:01 john_minetest But the price goes up.
17:01 fhgfhfghfh Strangely I by mistake ...
17:02 RBMK Real money base on gold. Gold is mined, and is a real, useful material.
17:02 john_minetest If you had invested 5 euros a year ago you would have now over 10x the money
17:02 fhgfhfghfh Error: You are banned from this forum.
17:02 RBMK And bitcoins base on hard-to-calculate functions. Which don't do anything useful, but waste energy.
17:03 RBMK Has the humanity gone completely mad?
17:03 PilzAdam thexyz, ^ can you check the IP ban?
17:03 RBMK Aha.
17:03 RBMK Wasn't that IP of a griefer?
17:04 john_minetest If you go to the griefer and do ifconfig on his computer, it will say "127.0.0.1"
17:05 Jordach lol
17:07 Calinou RBMK: energy can be renewable, gold can't :P
17:07 john_minetest or ipconfig if the griefer is using $-OS
17:07 RBMK Calinou: fundamentally, energy is not renewable.
17:07 john_minetest or "ip" if the griefer uses the newest standards.
17:07 RBMK Entropy of a closes system can only increase.
17:07 RBMK closed*
17:07 RBMK Though it's a question to resolve whether the Universe is a closed system.
17:08 Jordach nope.avi
17:08 RBMK Calinou: you waste that energy as heat. That heat can not be made into anything useful.
17:09 Calinou heating houses? :>
17:09 fhgfhfghfh xd
17:10 john_minetest We should sue every device producer so they have to write on their devices: "DANGER: Every use increases the entropy and supports the heat death of the universe!"
17:10 Jordach RBMK, dont feed the troll
17:10 RBMK I don't.
17:11 john_minetest Heating our houses will kill us one day. In a few billion years.
17:11 RBMK Brb.
17:11 john_minetest Okay, sun will kill us first.
17:11 fhgfhfghfh is possible create a portal gun mod for minetest?
17:11 john_minetest fhgfhfghfh: There is something on the forum.
17:12 john_minetest not sure if it works yet.
17:12 thexyz fhgfhfghfh: are you the one who posted that topic full of DESU~?
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17:13 fhgfhfghfh no  d: (what is desu?)
17:14 thexyz hm... well, I dunno what you're banned for but sfan5 did that
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17:15 sfan5 thexyz: probably a dynamic ip issue
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17:16 thexyz yeah sure of course
17:16 RBMK Rostelecom are shitheads.
17:16 thexyz sfan5: what did you ban him/her for?
17:16 sfan5 'Insulting, Spam'
17:17 thexyz that's not very descriptive
17:18 thexyz this is what bothers me
17:18 thexyz we can ban users for any or no reason and there's no way for them to appeal the ban
17:19 RBMK So what, set up mailing lists for your server.
17:19 jemadux on minetest i need the craft table as minecraft ?
17:19 RBMK No.
17:22 thexyz no
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17:23 sfan5 thexyz: not very descriptive? Insulting was for '<Evergreen>Megaf, someone called jeckiojen just posted in the servers section "MEGAF IS GAY.....  SHHH!!!!!'
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17:25 zat omfg calling someone gay is so 1995
17:25 thexyz wait, wait, I'm sure this is the same guy who posted that topic with lots of desu then
17:25 RBMK_ Did I miss something?
17:26 RBMK_ What is "desu"?
17:26 RBMK_ Isn't that some ba Japanese word?
17:26 RBMK_ s/ba/bad/
17:26 RBMK Fucking Rostelecom, again.
17:26 thexyz insulting users is no good, I agree
17:27 sfan5 thexyz: yes
17:27 sfan5 s/yes/yes, it was that guy/
17:27 thexyz but infinite ban is no good either, I think
17:27 thexyz in that particular case
17:27 zat hey thexyz
17:28 sfan5 if the first 2 things you do on the forum is insulting and flooding..
17:30 Jordach then expect a ban..
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17:31 Jordach RBMK, get a better isp
17:31 RBMK There's no other ISP in our pisshole.
17:32 thexyz zat: hey
17:32 RBMK Toilet City.
17:33 Jordach ...is that the german version of 99 red balloons?
17:34 Jordach yes, yes it is
17:38 RBMK ?
17:38 RBMK 99 Luftballons? I haven't heard the song for quite a while.
17:43 Evergreen Anyone played gbrainy before?   It has some interesting verbal and logical puzzles
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17:43 Jordach Evergreen, nope.avi
17:45 RBMK Jordach: ?
17:46 Megaf thanks sfan5
17:47 proller PilzAdam,  http://minetest.net/servers  uses wrong list parser modified by celeron55,  it needs to be replaced with original script from http://servers.minetest.net/
17:50 nore proller, I noticed there are problems with lava on your server
17:50 nore there is lava, but the layer is so thin that it is not visible
17:51 nore and it can't flow since it is at min level
17:51 nore I reckon that in this case, lava (and water) should slowly evaporate
17:51 Jordach huh
17:52 RBMK 1btw
17:52 RBMK Was the mod that made lava break glass ever finished?
17:53 zat Lava should break glass only in case of a sudden temperature change
17:53 zat lol
17:54 RBMK well, it should melt it eventually
17:54 proller nore, water can evaporate, but lava - not. visual of min level - maybe fixed in -next
17:55 RBMK Yes, lava should not evaporate.
17:55 RBMK It does, in fact, evaporate, but too slowly for modelling to be necessary.
17:56 nore there are graphical glitches with water too
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17:57 nore and there is a lot of lava floating in mid-air? Why doesn't it fall?
17:58 RBMK Superconductor levitation.
17:58 RBMK Yet, lava is way too hot to be a superconductor.
17:58 proller it was BIG BUG with melting stone 8)
17:59 proller but strange, need to look at abm
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18:01 proller nore, abm works if liquid queue is ~empty
18:01 fhgfhfghfh Hi
18:01 RBMK o/
18:01 proller on this server when many players queue always full
18:01 NekoGloop 3ds friend codeses?
18:02 fhgfhfghfh yes, i have a 3ds!
18:02 fhgfhfghfh send me a pm
18:02 RBMK ?
18:02 NekoGloop like that?
18:05 RBMK Uh.
18:05 RBMK max_lag = 24
18:05 RBMK What could cause that?
18:06 proller nore, wait 1-2 days and lava will fall or cools to stone after rain
18:09 fhgfhfghfh the future of minetest?
18:11 RBMK Making Minecraft obsolete.
18:12 fhgfhfghfh wow...
18:12 fhgfhfghfh you need a big team for this...
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18:12 sfan5 holy sh**, I just wrote the most unreadable js line
18:13 thexyz what's it?
18:13 sfan5 window[(1071753937337).toStr​ing(36)][(286).toString(17) + 'tE' + (973734291).toString(34) + (11).toString(12).toUpperCase() + 'yI' + (13).toString(14)]((620604110).toString(32))[2​7-1+3-29][(616342319).toString(30)+String.from​CharCode(78)+(15339).toString(25)][(616342319)​.toString(30)+String.fromCharCode(78)+(15339).​toString(25)][(1440073124).toString(35)]();
18:15 thexyz are you writing some exploit or what?
18:15 RBMK Woah.
18:15 sfan5 no
18:16 sfan5 an exploit would need more space for the shellcode and heap spray coe
18:16 sfan5 *code
18:17 sfan5 that line removes the parent's parent of the Dom element with the name 'iframe'
18:22 Jordach fuckin hell sfN5
18:23 Jordach sfan5*
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18:28 Dan_D Anyone gonna try VanessaE's nostalgia server?
18:28 RBMK no
18:28 RBMK What does "nostalgia server" mean?
18:29 RBMK I mean, maybe I'm gonna, but not now... too drowsy.
18:30 Jordach dan d just spammed lol
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18:54 RBMK ?!
18:54 RBMK What is "nostalgia server"?
18:55 PilzAdam ¿¡
18:55 RBMK It's the second time I heard that word combination.
18:55 RBMK PlizAdam: you're confusing me.
18:55 PilzAdam who are you talking to?
18:55 RBMK idk
18:56 RBMK My internal voice?
19:00 john_minetest ПЛИЗ АДАМ
19:00 sfan5 firefox is 100% more helpful when debugging js code that looks similar to what I posted above
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19:03 markveidemanis john: PLIZ ADAM
19:03 markveidemanis ПИЛЗ АДАМ
19:04 john_minetest I wrote it like RBMK wrote it
19:04 proller ПИЗД АДАМ
19:04 john_minetest Does "а́да" mean "of the hell"?
19:04 john_minetest Any russian speaking people here?
19:08 Evergreen sfan5:   Firebug ftw
19:09 proller aд == hell
19:17 john_minetest I know that aд = hell
19:17 john_minetest and а́да seems to be "of the hell"
19:18 sfan5 Evergreen: heh.. I was not using firebug this time but the built-in inspector
19:19 proller john_minetest, yes, but need any word before " ада"
19:20 john_minetest язы́к программи́рования ада
19:20 john_minetest there is a programming language called ada. some french people invented it :D
19:21 proller but it not == hell
19:22 sfan5 ?????
19:22 sfan5 ?
19:22 * sfan5 is confused
19:22 sfan5 it is doing it again
19:22 sfan5 my dns server is pointing random domains at 127.0.0.1 :(
19:23 thexyz proller: but its syntax is
19:24 Calinou john_minetest: noone uses ada anyway
19:24 Calinou I don't think it was invented by french
19:26 john_minetest Invented in Les Clayes-sous-Bois, supported by the departement of defense of the USA.
19:26 thexyz not noone
19:26 thexyz it's used for planes, i think
19:26 john_minetest Seems it was standard programming language for american projects for some time
19:26 RBMK ?
19:27 thexyz even wikipedia example is about airplanes
19:40 sfan5 wow, command-not-found breaks when setting LANG to C
19:40 sfan5 ""Die Anwendung \xbbllvm-ld\xab ist momentan nicht installiert. Sie k\xf6nnen sie""
19:41 RBMK Die, Anwendung, die!
19:41 RBMK It's your terminal that can't display special German chars.
19:41 sfan5 no
19:42 sfan5 If I "export LANG=de_DE.UTF-8" it works again
19:42 RBMK вызвавших смертБ подопытный
19:43 sfan5 what is more strange: packages don't contain what they are supposed to
19:44 RBMK ?
19:44 RBMK What packages?
19:44 Jordach dafuq
19:44 RBMK In Debian, it's normal for packages to be broken.
19:44 RBMK Heck, it's Debian.
19:44 Jordach hahahahahaha
19:44 sfan5 lol
19:45 john_minetest yeah
19:45 john_minetest Debian is so outdated
19:45 sfan5 RBMK: like this http://pastie.org/8414981
19:47 john_minetest like a boss: https://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian
19:47 RBMK sfan5: I suck at German.
19:47 PilzAdam lol
19:47 john_minetest https://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian
19:47 RBMK what is that "??????????????????:?
19:47 RBMK Debilian
19:48 sfan5 RBMK: "?" translated from German to English is "?"
19:48 john_minetest Debian isch bsunders beliebt wäge sim hervorragende Paketverwautigssystem, es cha uf dr Konsole (apt-get/aptitude) und grafisch (synaptics) verwautet werde, mit ganz weni Ufwand chame sech gueti Software installiere wo e Debian Entwickler ufnä FTP-Server glade het, zudem bietet eim Debian regumässigi Sicherheitsupdates.
19:48 sfan5 haha
19:49 RBMK sfan5: I got it.
19:49 RBMK What are they doing?
19:49 sfan5 I even had to add a symlink to get clang to find stdarg.h
19:49 sfan5 they broke everything
19:50 sfan5 almost
19:51 RBMK It's Debian eh!
19:51 RBMK Can never upgrade without breaking anything.
19:52 Jordach 0gb must be outdated then..
19:54 sfan5 Jordach: if he updated he will be 1gb
19:54 john_minetest I wish there was a PROPER live distro
19:54 Jordach ZING!
19:55 john_minetest One that actually contains proper tools
19:55 RBMK john_minetest: NetBSD.
19:55 john_minetest Like cmake and git
19:55 john_minetest and mercurial and stuff
19:55 RBMK cmake, git are not proper tools
19:55 john_minetest and a cross compile toolchain
19:55 RBMK make and rcs are
19:55 RBMK eh.
19:55 john_minetest with compiler for windows
19:55 RBMK Windows :(
19:55 Jordach > mercurial > proper tool
19:55 RBMK Windows should be deprecated.
19:55 Jordach keep dreaming
19:56 john_minetest Well, mercurial is crappy but some people use it.
19:56 sfan5 john_minetest: clang is a cross compiler for everything (if you have headers and libs)
19:56 Jordach some people = 0
19:56 RBMK clang != cmake
19:56 john_minetest Jordach: harrison uses it.
19:56 sfan5 it compiles for AArch32/64, x86(-64) and more out of the box
19:56 john_minetest some people = 1
19:56 RBMK "true"
19:57 john_minetest I want to cross-compile for win32 out-of-the-box in a live distro. I want to have all tools I need.
19:57 Jordach dat one person
19:57 Jordach john, make ry
19:57 RBMK Windows. Come on.
19:57 RBMK Who needs it.
19:57 Jordach your own distro
19:58 RBMK Oh yeah, try and roll your own.
19:58 RBMK God I hate the word "distro". It sounds too Spanish.
19:58 sfan5 john_minetest: knoppix + sudo apt-get install mingw
19:58 * Calinou slaps RBMK with "libre"
19:58 john_minetest I want without downloading packages
19:58 Jordach feck this samsung galaxy tab 7 2.0, i cant fucking type
19:59 RBMK Pwned.
19:59 RBMK Use _real_ keyboards.
19:59 sfan5 s/fucking/fecking/
19:59 RBMK Screen keyboards suck.
19:59 Calinou john_minetest: it'd be cool if distros had commonly used dependencies installed, such as cmake, git, svn, a compiler, SDL, libjpeg, libpng and so on
19:59 Jordach oh shush :P
20:00 john_minetest yeah.
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20:00 PilzAdam Calinou, the average *buntu user doesnt need a compiler
20:00 john_minetest maybe with an extra repo only containing win32 libs.
20:00 john_minetest that would be epic.
20:00 john_minetest I want to make a distro now.
20:00 sfan5 the do it!
20:00 sfan5 then*
20:01 john_minetest after eating knorr snackbar "spaghetti in käse-sahne sauce".
20:01 PilzAdam from Penny?
20:01 Jordach john, good luck
20:01 sfan5 käse-sahne sauce mhmmm..
20:01 Jordach fuck is that?
20:01 RBMK That is fuck.
20:02 Jordach yaaic ftw btw
20:02 RBMK Fuck that. That fuck.
20:02 Jordach hai reactor
20:02 RBMK o/
20:02 RBMK How'd you guess?!
20:02 Jordach because omnipotemce
20:02 Jordach fuckin keyboard
20:02 RBMK potemce
20:03 RBMK Pwned.
20:03 Jordach i can just see through ruses
20:04 RBMK ?
20:04 RBMK I can see for miles and miles!
20:04 RBMK (c) The Who
20:04 Jordach rbmk: saying netnsd gave it away
20:05 Jordach bsd*
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20:16 Calinou oh, you're reactor?
20:16 Calinou :<
20:17 Calinou apparently you are
20:17 Calinou hi LazyJ :)
20:17 LazyJ Howdy, Calinou :)
20:17 RBMK Calinou: how'd you guess?!
20:18 Calinou RBMK: whois
20:18 RBMK Hell.
20:18 RBMK I thought it was about manner of speech, again.
20:19 sfan5 nice, the ubuntu people broke wireshark too
20:20 RBMK Give up Debilian.
20:20 RBMK Eh.
20:20 RBMK It's dying.
20:31 john_minetest Doing custom packages for distros is mostly stupid.
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20:32 RBMK ?
20:32 john_minetest Being so outdated that you have to backport patches is somehow...
20:33 Calinou it's hard to make debian packages
20:33 Calinou :<
20:34 svuorela bullshit
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20:35 RBMK It's harder to make them actually work.
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20:38 zsoltisawesome Hi!
20:39 Calinou svuorela: never succeeded at it :/
20:39 Calinou hi zsoltisawesome :) I gtg night
20:40 svuorela Calinou: given I've in teh maintainer fields of k* and q* I have kind of succeeded.
20:40 Calinou k* and q*?
20:40 svuorela KDE stack and Qt stack
20:41 Calinou ah
20:41 RBMK Meh, KDE.
20:41 RBMK And meh, QT.
20:41 RBMK They're so heavy they take two days to build.
20:41 svuorela RBMK: I've never built QuickTime
20:42 RBMK svuorela: troll detected.
20:43 zsoltisawesome It's your fault for capitalizing the t
21:02 harrison Functional programming combines the flexibility and power of abstract mathematics with the intuitive clarity of abstract mathematics.
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21:03 john_minetest that's from xkcd?
21:05 ShadowNinja ^ stupid plugin likes to deop itself, unloaded.
21:08 NakedFury are we gonna have a channelbot remove/give Op status fight?
21:08 john_minetest woah... Now I want to make my own distro... But I haven't got a system I can compile it on... :(
21:08 PilzAdam what was first, the compiler or the os?
21:09 john_minetest the OS.
21:09 john_minetest I think
21:10 john_minetest It is easier with hens and eggs.
21:10 PilzAdam Id guess humans were the first compilers
21:10 PilzAdam anyway, you should compile by hand
21:11 john_minetest yeah.
21:11 john_minetest compiling by hand is difficult.
21:11 john_minetest It is a lot of pushing numbers around and doing strange stuff on hardware level
21:15 JackGruff joined #minetest
21:17 john_minetest Although sometimes it isn't that difficult
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21:18 john_minetest If you write what you want to do on a piece of paper and then do it like that russian guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJHeDvr_doM
21:21 PilzAdam thats how you turn on a LED
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21:26 Whitemau5 hello!
21:26 JackGruff hi!
21:27 Whitemau5 im not on minetest right now but im on the irc
21:27 Whitemau5 brb
21:28 Whitemau5 brb
21:28 Whitemau5 ugh
21:28 Whitemau5 im back
21:43 john_minetest Deadmau5 incognito?
21:54 Jordach john, lol
21:54 Jordach plol
21:55 john_minetest I hope I can compile minetest soon
21:55 john_minetest cygwin
21:59 john_minetest lol, normal people use linux and compile for windows - I am on windows and want to compile for linux.
22:02 Jordach ...wut
22:03 harrison windows does not suit you john_minetest
22:03 harrison your motif is more linuxy imo
22:03 john_minetest Yeah.
22:04 john_minetest I used Linux until my laptop died
22:04 john_minetest I don't want to risk destroying windows trying to install linux on my only left PC.
22:04 john_minetest I think that windows might be required for some stuff like testing in a native enviroment.
22:05 sfan5 "risk destroying windows"
22:05 sfan5 if you do it right nothing happens
22:06 PilzAdam your risk more if you use windows
22:06 sfan5 -r
22:06 john_minetest I once smashed windows with the ubuntu dual boot automatic thingie
22:06 john_minetest ubunbtu refused working and windows was smashed pretty much
22:07 sfan5 you mean installing ubuntu into the windows ntfs sys?
22:07 sfan5 s/sys/filesys/
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22:12 Jordach hello menche
22:12 john_minetest no, I wanted to install it dualboot.
22:13 john_minetest There was an option for doing this automatically
22:13 Menche hello
22:13 john_minetest Hi menche
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22:23 john_minetest Hmmm... I discovered a new natural law.
22:24 john_minetest The faster the internet, the smaller your HDD.
22:29 fairiestoy Hey guys, is the burntime / cooktime  meant as seconds or is it just a number to count down the ticks? If the second option, can it be used as second-based value?
22:30 PilzAdam the second thing
22:30 fairiestoy So would it be bad if i take it as 'real' time meant as in seconds?
22:32 PilzAdam its used in an ABM with interval of 1 second, so its not that wrong
22:33 fairiestoy Yeah thats the point. I want to replace the ABM with a time-based alternative. Although i have problems with minetest.get_craft_result  but my first question came up while discussing it on my favourite server
22:35 fairiestoy Thanks for explaining it.
22:39 john_minetest bye
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22:41 sfan5 good night everyone
22:41 NakedFury good night
22:41 pitriss night sfan5
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22:47 Jordach night sfan5
22:49 Megaf folks, when the unban command will be fixed?
22:49 Megaf this is an OLD bug
22:49 Megaf I would fix it myself, but I dont know how
22:49 ShadowNinja Megaf: Logs?
22:49 Megaf why?
22:49 Megaf its a know bug
22:50 Megaf when you use /unban the server just shut down
22:50 Megaf and dont unban
22:50 ShadowNinja Megaf: Not to me, although I unban users manually.
22:50 PilzAdam I dont know this bug
22:50 Megaf just ban someone with /ban
22:50 Megaf then try /unban nick
22:52 Menche wasn't that fixed? like a long time ago?
22:52 PilzAdam just give us the logs
22:52 Megaf i wont crash my server now
22:53 Menche i remember something like that
22:53 Megaf PilzAdam,
22:53 Megaf $ cat debug.txt | grep unban
22:53 Megaf 13:49:30: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaError: error: ...inetest-minetest-7734717/bin/​../builtin/chatcommands.lua:647: attempt to call field 'unban_player_or_ip' (a nil value)
22:53 Megaf thats from the last time I used unban
22:54 PilzAdam what Minetest version is that?
22:54 Megaf any of the 0.4
22:54 Menche not very specific
22:54 Megaf always get from github
22:54 Megaf 7734717
22:54 Menche updated recently? i remembered a bug like that which was fixed.
22:54 ShadowNinja Megaf: l_unban_player_or_ip was misspelled as l_unban_player_of_ip, but that should only be a internal bug.
22:55 ShadowNinja Megaf: You compile after every git pull?
22:55 Megaf ShadowNinja, not really
22:55 ShadowNinja Megaf: Then compile.
22:55 Menche er, it doesn't really do much good to pull if you don't build the update :P
22:55 Megaf once and a while, this build is pretty new
22:55 PilzAdam that was a bug after the scriptapi split, and IIRC it was fixed before a stable releaase
22:58 PilzAdam hmm... it was fixed after 0.4.7 stable
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23:51 Peacock jesus christ the new microwave is huge - had to rearrange all my counterspace lol
23:52 Peacock where's martha stewart when you need her
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