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00:00 Evergreen Sup everyone
00:03 VanessaE hi
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00:09 NekoGloop Evergreen, the table "glooptest" is a table of tables of tables, with one of those tables being a table of tables that has to do with wooden tables.
00:10 VanessaE and all of that contained in the global Lua table :)
00:10 Evergreen Tableception
00:10 VanessaE which is run in a computer that sits on your table.
00:10 NekoGloop if only my computer were on a table
00:48 cy1 So the books mods are kind of eh.
00:48 cy1 There's a mod to write on paper, but only paper, and only one page.
00:49 cy1 There's a mod to write on bookshelves (?) but only two pages on that.
00:49 cy1 What we need is a mod to write in books, with a page turning UI, and then a mod to make bookshelves act like chests which can only store books.
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00:50 cy1 Not sure where to put all that text in books though. Some kind of minetest.localstore[...] thing...
00:50 thefamilygrog66 hey!
00:51 thefamilygrog66 what's that sound of an aircraft taking off? must be my computer compiling minetest...
00:52 Evergreen plol
00:52 Miner_48er cy1 something like the wiki mod?
00:53 cy1 Miner_48er: Huh, yeah that one's pretty neat.
00:55 cy1 My idea has the books just numbered though, to distinguish their contents. Not a single book capable of loading all the book material.
00:59 NakedFury how many pages per book on your concept idea?
00:59 cy1 NakedFury: I wouldn't set a particular limit I guess. Maybe 100 max?
01:00 NakedFury it could depend on like you said how they are stored or possibly book types.
01:00 NakedFury books or scrolls
01:00 cy1 Meh, there's already a written paper mod.
01:00 NakedFury Tomes
01:01 NakedFury well if you do the book idea you might as well do individual paper too with your storing method
01:01 cy1 With my book idea, the books would be read/writable, not the paper. The other mod only touches the paper. Works out IMO
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01:10 cy1 Maybe the books mod could make books from written paper, with the contents pre-loaded... that's the only crossover I can see.
01:11 cy1 Oh my other idea was to have a way for the server to send files after the world is loaded. For non-essential things like sounds and stuff.
01:11 cy1 *non-obvious
01:12 NakedFury send files to client?
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01:21 cy1 Yeah.
01:22 cy1 Does anyone know how to do permissions in minetest? Like, placing a node, digging a node etc
01:23 NakedFury no
01:23 cy1 oh right, privilege
01:27 kaeza check_player_privs() and get_player_privs()
01:27 kaeza (or the `privs' field in chat command def)
01:27 cy1 Thanks kaeza
01:35 cy1 hm...
01:35 NakedFury working on your server privs?
01:35 cy1 Nah, just poking at books ideas.
01:36 cy1 interesting problem with item_drop. Keeping a static ID for a book. If drops are enabled, upon digging the ID must transfer from the node to the entity. If not, the ID must transfer from the node to the inventory slot it goes in. Which the entity must do if "picked up"
01:39 NekoGloop Hm. Has sdzen/muadtralk just wandered off the face of the earth? Haven't seen them in a while. [/randomnote]
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02:03 cy1 Oh yay, entity.itemstring is stack:to_string() that saves metadata I think.
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02:59 zsoltisawesome !seen us`0gb
02:59 MinetestBot zsoltisawesome: us`0gb was last seen at 2013-10-14 23:00:50 UTC on #minetest
02:59 zsoltisawesome :(
03:00 zsoltisawesome !seen paramat
03:00 MinetestBot zsoltisawesome: paramat was last seen at 2013-10-17 05:12:35 UTC on #minetest
03:10 cy1 Hmm...
03:11 cy1 if you call minetest.show_formspec then will interaction with that form result in an on_player_recieve_fields?
03:11 cy1 I'm still not clear what a "detached" inventory is.
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03:15 rainbow_dash_ Hi, I'm new here... And I have a question... Can anyone explain how git works? I'm sort of lost...
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03:16 thefamilygrog66 I wish I could explain it properly... :)
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03:16 zsoltisawesome Explain what?
03:17 thefamilygrog66 git
03:17 zsoltisawesome To whom?
03:17 thefamilygrog66 rainbow_dash_
03:18 zsoltisawesome Ah ok
03:18 zsoltisawesome So I got my server computers
03:18 rainbow_dash_ Sounds expensive...
03:18 thefamilygrog66 oh yeah?
03:19 thefamilygrog66 what are you trying to do with git, rainbow_dash_?
03:19 zsoltisawesome Yup, 4 Dell PowerEdge 2560's
03:21 rainbow_dash_ Well, I'm trying to help a friend upload a lua file to his fork of minetest
03:21 rainbow_dash_ Oh crap, gtg all, see you later!
03:23 zsoltisawesome *facepalm* I showed him how to do it once already...
03:24 zsoltisawesome So yeah I got those server computers
03:26 zsoltisawesome Is 2gb ram and 2 dualcore intel xeon 2ghz processors good?
03:27 zsoltisawesome To host a MT server?
03:29 NekoGloop !seen sdzen
03:29 MinetestBot NekoGloop: Sorry, I haven't seen sdzen around.
03:29 NekoGloop meh
03:33 zsoltisawesome !seen NekoGloop
03:33 MinetestBot zsoltisawesome: nekogloop was last seen at 2013-10-18 03:29:51 UTC on #minetest
03:33 zsoltisawesome Lol
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03:59 NekoGloop !seen my_ass
03:59 MinetestBot NekoGloop: Sorry, I haven't seen my_ass around.
04:00 kaeza lol
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04:13 stormchaser3000 hi
04:13 stormchaser3000 is anyone on
04:13 us}0gb Hello!
04:13 stormchaser3000 hi
04:13 us}0gb Nope, no one is on.
04:14 * us}0gb is just the greeter robot
04:14 stormchaser3000 lol
04:14 stormchaser3000 nice one
04:15 zsoltisawesome Lol
04:15 NekoGloop ew IceChat :l
04:16 zsoltisawesome Hello my fine friend!
04:16 stormchaser3000 yeah i hate ice chat
04:16 stormchaser3000 but i use it
04:16 us}0gb WHat's wrong with IceChat?
04:16 * us}0gb has never tried it
04:17 * us}0gb hopes it's not as bad as Pidgin
04:17 stormchaser3000 it sucks
04:17 NekoGloop it treats every message as a ping
04:17 NekoGloop EVERY. MESSAGE.
04:17 stormchaser3000 i get an error when trying to log on
04:17 us}0gb I set my chat client to do that.
04:17 stormchaser3000 be cause of my intenet
04:17 us}0gb Not get an error, but alert me to all messages.
04:18 stormchaser3000 yea it alearts me
04:18 stormchaser3000 i am going to make a outube video
04:18 stormchaser3000 youtube
04:18 stormchaser3000 of minetest classic
04:18 stormchaser3000 by darkrose
04:18 us}0gb I've been meaning to try Minetest Classic, but haven't found the time.
04:19 stormchaser3000 i can give you the cource
04:19 stormchaser3000 source
04:19 stormchaser3000 if you want
04:19 stormchaser3000 thare is no linux build
04:19 stormchaser3000 lol
04:19 us}0gb Yeah, I noticed the lack of a build.
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04:20 us}0gb I can build it when I have time though.
04:20 zsoltisawesome Wine?
04:20 us}0gb But that could be a while.
04:20 zsoltisawesome Lol
04:20 us}0gb Wine? No thanks, I don't drink.
04:21 zsoltisawesome WHITTY JOKE ALERT XD
04:21 zsoltisawesome I know I spelled it wrong
04:21 us}0gb No worries. I can't spell either.
04:22 zsoltisawesome Lol
04:22 zsoltisawesome Lol
04:23 zsoltisawesome Oops
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05:28 zsoltisawesome It's been silent for over an hour
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06:32 zsoltisawesome It's been silent for over 2 Hours
06:32 zsoltisawesome What's up with that
06:33 us}0gb No it hasn't. You said something an hour ago.
06:33 * us}0gb busts up laughing
06:37 zsoltisawesome たはたらやさたはやらてたはたさやはたにぬぬまはたらはたさたりさたはた
06:37 zsoltisawesome That's My opinion
06:37 VanessaE dafuq?
06:38 * VanessaE doesn't read chinese.
06:38 VanessaE or whatever language that is
06:44 zsoltisawesome It's japanese, get it right
06:45 us}0gb If she doesn't know the language, how can she get it right?
06:45 zsoltisawesome Chinese make rice, Japanese make anime
06:45 zsoltisawesome Lol
06:47 zsoltisawesome Read my lips, no new taxes <---- biggest lie in the US government
06:47 VanessaE um, that was like 20 years ago
06:47 VanessaE more, even
06:47 VanessaE still as big a lie as ever though :P
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06:58 zsoltisawesome Ya that was my point
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07:06 Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released; 0.4.8 will be released soon™ | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Don't ask about asking questions.
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07:28 artur99 hi
07:28 us}0gb Hello!
07:28 artur99 how is called the selling license
07:28 artur99 ?
07:28 artur99 eg:
07:29 artur99 i build a game
07:29 artur99 and you want to sell it on your website
07:29 artur99 you have to buy from me the selling license
07:29 artur99 how is that license called?
07:30 us}0gb I don't know what that is called, but it doesn't sound like something we support here.
07:30 artur99 yes, i know
07:30 artur99 but i dont know where to ask ::D
07:32 artur99 any new relases?
07:33 us}0gb Of Minetest? The latest is 0.4.7, I don't know if that's new for you.
07:34 artur99 its the first sime when i see you in this room, us}0gb...
07:35 artur99 *time
07:35 us}0gb I'm here sort of frequently, but not all the time.
07:35 artur99 when did u come? :)
07:35 us}0gb About a month ago, I think?
07:36 artur99 oh... thats why i couldnt see you:)
07:36 artur99 i am here since the half of 2012
07:37 artur99 but last months i couldnt get in
07:37 us}0gb Why not? Technical difficulties?
07:37 artur99 no. i didnt accessed freenode for about 2-3 months
07:38 us}0gb That explains why I recognize your name. I used to come here months ago, but I quit Minetest.
07:38 artur99 i was very busy
07:38 artur99 i have a lot og homeworks
07:38 artur99 *of homework
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07:39 artur99 what do you mean you used to come here?
07:39 us}0gb I mean I used to use this channel. But then I quit using this channel. Now I'm back.
07:40 artur99 oh, so, you saw me a long time ago?
07:40 artur99 on this channel?
07:40 us}0gb I think so, yes.
07:41 artur99 :)
07:41 us}0gb Though that was back when I was us_0gb or [0gb_us].
07:41 artur99 oh, i think i remember
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07:43 zsoltisawesome hello!
07:43 artur99 hi
07:44 zsoltisawesome ah finally a person who is awake!
07:44 us}0gb Hello!
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07:59 deltib there, my keyboard is all clean, and the tribble I pulled out of it, thrown in the trash
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08:31 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Anti-Slavery Day! :-D
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09:11 adityarajbhatt I am playing minetest for the first time. Surprisingly good. Graphics are sleek and the game runs *very* fast on my machine. Why is this? Is it because it has less features compared to Minecraft?
09:13 adityarajbhatt Ugh, movement is so smooth and fast and suddenly you drop into water and... snail's pace. It is *too* viscous compared to normal rate of sinking of a human body.
09:13 JamesTait The native C implementation probably doesn't hurt, Minecraft is written in Java.
09:14 adityarajbhatt Minetest is in c or c++ ? That would explain it though.
09:14 JamesTait Oh, it might be C++, I don't remember exactly.
09:15 Kray minetest engine is c++
09:15 adityarajbhatt Wait... yes it is C++. Written in the Irrlicht engine (whatever that is).
09:15 JamesTait Yes, C++ it is.
09:15 adityarajbhatt By the way, water is too dense. Anyone else think so?
09:15 VanessaE it's C++/
09:15 VanessaE and Lua for the game content.
09:16 VanessaE and yeah, the water is too viscous.
09:16 adityarajbhatt Seriously, it takes too long to reach the bottom of anything. What is enable disable full viewing range?
09:16 adityarajbhatt I meant bottom of a lake or so. But full viewing range?
09:16 VanessaE that allows you to see all blocks that have been explored recently.
09:17 VanessaE regardless of the effect on fps
09:17 VanessaE oh, bottom of a lake?  swim down.
09:17 VanessaE (shift)
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09:18 adityarajbhatt Okay. So is shift used for anything else? Like running or something.
09:18 VanessaE (or E, depending on your version and/or key mappings)
09:18 VanessaE running is usually E, if 'fast' is enabled.
09:18 VanessaE shift is also used to sneak
09:18 VanessaE it's confusing at first but after a few mins it makes sense.
09:18 VanessaE I have mine mapped so that E is fast/descend, and shift is sneak
09:19 adityarajbhatt Where are all the monsters? Have not seen even one till now and its already night.
09:19 VanessaE you need a mod for that.
09:19 Wuzzy adityarajbhatt: See <http://wiki.minetest.net/Controls>, this page covers pretty much every use of [Shift]
09:19 VanessaE MOBF or Simple Mobs
09:19 VanessaE those are the two that are most commonly used.
09:19 adityarajbhatt Wait, there are no ingame mobs?
09:19 VanessaE They're still considered experimental byt they'll eventually be put into the default game later.
09:19 VanessaE but*
09:20 Wuzzy Is it planned that mods become part of the core?
09:20 VanessaE (what exactly will make it into the default game remains to be seen)
09:20 VanessaE not part of the core.  part of the default game, but how exactly they will be added, and what exactly will be added back, is still undetermined.
09:20 adityarajbhatt Now that _is_ a damper.
09:20 VanessaE they were in C++ at one time, but were removed because that method was too inflexible.
09:21 VanessaE mods are a standard part of minetest
09:21 adityarajbhatt Are the mods good?
09:21 VanessaE yep
09:21 adityarajbhatt Oh okay.
09:21 VanessaE there are many good mods
09:21 VanessaE and unlike MC, you don't need special loaders
09:21 VanessaE or reverse engineering
09:21 Wuzzy :-)
09:21 adityarajbhatt Yes, I have come to *hate* MC pretty much.
09:21 Wuzzy Mods are natively supported in MT :-))))))
09:21 adityarajbhatt Their IRC channel is quite rude.
09:21 VanessaE mods are an officially-sanctioned and supported concept in Minetest
09:22 VanessaE and there is a good modding community and a decent modding API also
09:22 VanessaE yes, others have said the same.
09:22 adityarajbhatt That is what put me off mods in MC in the first place. No support from Mojang for them. Good to see things are different here.
09:22 adityarajbhatt ...no hunger! Wonderful, I am loving this more and more.
09:23 VanessaE nope, but there are a couple of mods that add it :)
09:23 Wuzzy adityarajbhatt: See also <http://wiki.minetest.net/> which covers many gameplay-related topics. I, amongst others, worked pretty hard on it. :-) (still incomplete though)
09:23 adityarajbhatt Hunger is just stupid for an exploration/building game. Now if you had a hunger games server it would certainly be sensible. But otherwise, I feel it just detracts from the fun and immersion.
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09:24 Wuzzy ummm
09:24 Wuzzy We HAVE a hunger games server xD
09:24 adityarajbhatt That's okay. Just would have been bad for the default game if I constantly had to worry about the food clock.
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09:25 Wuzzy You said the MC channel is pretty rude. How bad is it?
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09:26 adityarajbhatt Well, I think it was more of a gut reaction. I mean...how do I put this...I was playing MC through an "unofficial" launcher.
09:26 adityarajbhatt I am just 16 and my parents won't cough up money for games so...
09:26 VanessaE pirate ;)
09:27 adityarajbhatt I mentioned this in passing and things got ugly. :( What can I do? My hands are tied.
09:27 adityarajbhatt I would gladly shell over money for the game if I could.
09:27 VanessaE minetest is designed from the ground up to be free.
09:27 adityarajbhatt Yes I know that. Part of the goodies. And my, the movement is so _smooth_.
09:28 Wuzzy free as in "freedom" AND as in "free beer" to be precise
09:28 VanessaE Wuzzy: yep
09:28 adityarajbhatt Oh its open source?
09:28 VanessaE yep
09:28 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest
09:29 VanessaE that's the engine.   https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/ for the game content
09:29 adityarajbhatt This gets better and better.
09:29 Wuzzy Oh before I forget: Welcome to the Minetest community, adityarajbhatt!
09:30 adityarajbhatt :) Thanks.
09:30 adityarajbhatt I will have to brush up my C++ chops (not that they were any good before ;). Wonderful opportunity to add your own content to a game.
09:31 Wuzzy what do you mean with “content”?
09:32 adityarajbhatt You know stuff like mobs and all. This is the first time I am playing a game where mods are so common and accepted.
09:33 adityarajbhatt Contrast this to the studying you have to do to operate mods in MC. Anyway, glad for such a game.
09:33 Wuzzy Oh so you want to add mobs right into the engine.
09:35 VanessaE mobs won't be accepted into the engine.
09:36 VanessaE those are to remain as Lua
09:36 VanessaE but what would probably be accepted are ways to make mobs behave more smoothly, better prediction, AI, that sort of thing.
09:37 VanessaE to get a better idea of what the devs want, when you're ready, go to #minetest-dev and hang around for a while until you're comfortable in there.  Make your proposals and see if you can strike up a conversation with one or more code devs
09:37 VanessaE hah, you're alreayd there :)
09:37 JamesTait My eldest son saved up his money to buy MC.  He wanted to add a mod, I forget which now, and we had to jump through so many hoops, back up the entire MC directory, hack things into the .jar file and we still haven't got it working.
09:37 VanessaE as usual, I'm a step behind :P
09:38 JamesTait His comment: "I wish mods were easy to add in Minecraft like they are in Minetest."
09:39 JamesTait Oh, and not to mention adf.ly - how I've come to hate that site.
09:39 adityarajbhatt :) I feel for your son. Well, my parents will know if I spend my pocket money to buy games. I can buy all the fantasy books I want, but one mention of games and my parents are up in arms! All part of an effort not to get me _addicted_ to the computer. TOO LATE!
09:39 adityarajbhatt bit.ly is much better in my experience.
09:39 VanessaE in fact all of the default game content in Minetest is provided by a bunch of mods
09:40 VanessaE it's just that those mods come with the game :)
09:40 JamesTait It's a sound approach, IMO.
09:41 Wuzzy Actually the term “mod” is a bit misleading because the pure Minetest engine does not do anything. You need some mods to be able to play anything at all.
09:41 VanessaE right.
09:41 Wuzzy btw: I do not propose a different term. ;-) No need to worry.
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09:42 Wuzzy Oh and I hate adf.ly, too.
09:43 Wuzzy This is one of the web sites which need to FUCKING DIE. :O
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09:53 cy1 VanessaE: fixed item_drop ...
09:53 cy1 I'm so tired
09:54 cy1 hello Wuzzy you seem nice
09:54 Wuzzy hi
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10:26 VanessaE night all.
10:28 Exio4 for mods you can use lua
10:28 Exio4 er
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13:54 jemadux at minetest there's zombies on survival ?
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14:04 john_minetest Hello everypony
14:10 adityarajbhatt jemadux: No, not by default. You have to install mods, google "minetest mods" and see.
14:11 jemadux adityarajbhatt: i see ... :)
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14:32 * arsdragonfly 's PC fails to boot again after a two-week downtime
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14:57 john_minetest how can a pc refuse to boot when nothing changed?
14:58 john_minetest If life would be a game, devs would first balance out the economy. And then write a better story.
14:58 VanessaE CMOS battery went flat?
14:59 VanessaE (== the settings got erased/changed)
15:00 john_minetest oh, I once had troubles after playing around with a PC. Took out the BIOS battery, didn't update time. Every https website said: "Certificate date is in the future."
15:10 sfan5 yay, the ubuntu 13.10 update didn't break anything
15:11 sfan5 well.. except some small things
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15:14 sfan5 like this... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/​+source/unity-greeter/+bug/1235785
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15:21 IceCraft hi
15:22 sfan5 nice, ubuntu now shows the battery of my mouse instead of my laptop battery in the top bar
15:27 zat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2aioEom0tY
15:27 zat Has anybody seen that kind of screens available in the market?
15:31 Jordach hey IceCraft
15:31 IceCraft hi
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15:34 VanessaE yes, the XO laptop has that.
15:34 VanessaE can switch between color LCD -> ePaper display
15:34 VanessaE or so I'd heard.
15:35 VanessaE or maybe it was just backlit color -> reflective b&w
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15:36 zat It is actual LCD, not real eInk.
15:36 zat Well, not the kind of eInk that we knew.
15:37 zat The thing is that it is reflective and that is awesome
15:37 zat for years I have dreamed of having such a screen and I yet cannot understand how they have not become ultra popular.
15:37 zat They should be available by now on all laptops ...I think.
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15:39 sfan5 yess!
15:40 VanessaE one would hope so
15:40 sfan5 wine finally fixed itself
15:40 VanessaE but the XO at least has it
15:40 VanessaE problem is such a screen is surely twice as expensive as a plain old backlict ISP LCD.
15:40 VanessaE IPS*
15:41 zat maybe or maybe not
15:46 arsdragonfly john_minetest, sometimes opening the chassis and using a hairdryer makes it work again :-P
15:46 john_minetest arsdragonfly: Hairdryer! Yay! genious idea!
15:47 john_minetest I have a broken PC and I refused to use an oven.
15:47 john_minetest A strong hairdryer could be the perfect solution! Thanks a lol
15:47 john_minetest *lot.
15:50 * Jordach remembers why Jordach prefers a torrent
15:51 Jordach <FileSharer> Oh, your computer broke connection, want to restart? Wait 1 hour.
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16:06 john_minetest Somehow media says "Torrents are that illegal file sharing tool.". Never used it.
16:06 john_minetest P2P can do a lot.
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16:09 thexyz torrent is a tool, it can't be illegal
16:10 thexyz it's like saying kitchen knives are illegal because you can kill people using them
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16:10 Jordach haha
16:10 Jordach true
16:13 Jordach \o/
16:13 Jordach dafuq
16:13 Jordach > download manager > open source > gpl v3
16:14 Jordach that's a first
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16:19 Evolykane Hi
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16:36 adityarajbhatt Torrents are awesome. Archlinux (a rolling-release distro) uses them for their images (over 700mb). In fact they actively encourage people to use torrent so that their own servers do not get overloaded and we all get faster downloads by helping each other (sharing p2p chunks).
16:38 us_0gb Every time I try downloading an .iso via torrent, it gets corrupted and won't install properly. I don't know why. I like the idea of torrents, but I can't seem to make them work.
16:39 sfan5 us_0gb: try a different torrent client
16:39 us_0gb What client do you guys use?
16:39 thexyz us_0gb: what's your torrent client?
16:40 us_0gb The default for many systems: Transmission.
16:40 adityarajbhatt rtorrent ftw!
16:40 adityarajbhatt It takes a little work to get it set up but after that, nothing is as fast, powerful or efficient.
16:41 adityarajbhatt There is even a channel here ##rtorrent.
16:41 thexyz transmission is fine
16:43 us_0gb rtorrent seems to be a command line application, according to its description in the package manager. THat's great for a lot of people, but I need something graphical.
16:43 thexyz I personally use Vuze
16:43 adityarajbhatt Transmission is geared towards newbies. If you want true power, you should choose rtorrent. But each to his own.
16:44 FreeFull You should always check the hash after getting a big file from the internet
16:44 thexyz inb4 lolbloat, loljava
16:44 FreeFull Real power probably doesn't matter much if you don't tend to torrent
16:44 us_0gb THe hash ... yeah, that would save me from burning bad ISOs to CDs.
16:45 thexyz your client should be able to check the hash, actually
16:45 us_0gb I don't torrent often. I tend to try the torrent for bootable ISOs, but not much else.
16:46 proller serverlist updated: http://servers.minetest.net/
16:46 FreeFull Open source operating system ISOs are typically the only thing I will ever torrent for
16:46 FreeFull And I haven't torrented in a long, long time
16:48 adityarajbhatt FreeFull: You seem to have a bad burnout from torrents. Well, I am sorry for you, but for me torrents are the best thing ever. Best part is the more popular something gets, the more people seed it, and so the faster the download becomes. And rtorrent has automatic hashing so I need not worry about corrupted downloads.
16:48 adityarajbhatt Of course the whole concept only works if you are good enough to seed yourself rather than being a leech. I always seed my torrents.
16:49 sfan5 proller: 'Now players' why didn't anybody complain about that?
16:49 FreeFull Bad burnout?
16:49 us_0gb I always seed at least 200% of what I took, but then I shut down Transmission.
16:50 us_0gb FreeFull, I think adityarajbhatt meant me with the bad burnout comment.
16:50 proller sfan5, oops..
16:50 adityarajbhatt Oh no it was FreeFull. He said "...are typically the only thing I will _ever_ torrent for" I assumed he must have had a bad experience.
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16:51 FreeFull I just don't have any reason to torrent otherwise
16:51 us_0gb Ah. THat's all I torrent for as well, but it's just that most things I download don't offer a torrent option.
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16:51 cac Hi, I'm running Minetest on my netbook, which runs OpenBSD, and am getting a very strange issue.
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16:52 adityarajbhatt cac: Elaborate?
16:52 zsoltisawesome precisely
16:52 thexyz I've got 8.979 TB uploaded, am I cool?
16:52 cac I get normal fps, when every couple seconds, it pauses completely for just a second and then goes back to normal.
16:52 zsoltisawesome WHAT? where?
16:52 zsoltisawesome hmm
16:52 zsoltisawesome odd
16:52 cac I have verified it's not a driver issue. I've run it on my desktop(which uses a radeon) as well as my netbook(which uses intel integrated).
16:53 us_0gb cac, I have that issue as well sometimes. I don't know why.
16:53 cac Other games(like supertuxkart and openarena) run fine
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16:53 zsoltisawesome It used to do that to me too
16:53 us_0gb It typically happens for me when I have very low FPS.
16:53 zsoltisawesome its just has to get used to the computer, it might not like the ram
16:54 zsoltisawesome YAY!
16:54 FreeFull Sounds like some sort of world update or garbage collection to me
16:54 zsoltisawesome maybe
16:54 zsoltisawesome just let it generate the world for a while, and see if that makes a different
16:54 us_0gb The screens is moving along smoothly, than it will pause for a second or two.
16:54 cac Version is 0.4.7.
16:54 zsoltisawesome *difference
16:54 cac OpenBSD version is 5.4-current.
16:55 FreeFull I think it's just some problem in minetest itself
16:55 zsoltisawesome sound like a thing with generation
16:55 zsoltisawesome me too
16:55 cac or irrlicht.
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16:55 FreeFull Could be irrlicht too
16:55 stormchaser3000 hi
16:55 zsoltisawesome maybe
16:55 cac I wish I knew some more irrlicht games that were in ports.
16:55 zsoltisawesome Hi
16:55 FreeFull Not OpenBSD specific though
16:56 us_0gb I've had that problem without OpenBSD, so it's definitely not a problem with that.
16:56 stormchaser3000 who want's a windows build of minetest classic
16:56 cac apparently, if other are having the same issue
16:56 zsoltisawesome i do
16:56 stormchaser3000 i will compile in a while
16:56 zsoltisawesome ok cool
16:56 zsoltisawesome where did you get the code?
16:56 FreeFull Any time someone mentions minetest classic, I start missing c55's server again ):
16:56 stormchaser3000 i mean the next branch
16:57 us_0gb I've been meaning to try Minetest Classic, but haven't found the time.
16:57 stormchaser3000 no i mean dark roses code of minetest 0.3.1 not jrojachs (i forgot how to spell his username)
16:57 sfan5 wee... stdarg.h is missing
16:57 stormchaser3000 here 0gb what linux do you use
16:57 FreeFull stdarg.h is a POSIX header
16:57 stormchaser3000 i can open vm
16:57 zsoltisawesome ah, i remember Minetest 0.3.1
16:57 stormchaser3000 and compile
16:57 us_0gb I use Trisquel.
16:58 stormchaser3000 ok
16:58 stormchaser3000 when i get fast internet i will start a vm
16:58 us_0gb No need, it's the time to play that I lack, but thanks for the offer.
16:58 stormchaser3000 and compile
16:58 zsoltisawesome I use OpenSUSE derivative
16:58 us_0gb I can compile while I sleep.
16:58 zsoltisawesome lol
16:58 sfan5 FreeFull: the ubuntu 13.10 update apparently removed it
16:58 zsoltisawesome thats what i will use the server for!
16:58 stormchaser3000 ok so zso
16:59 stormchaser3000 i will compile oncee visual studio installs
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16:59 zsoltisawesome and im using Windows atm
16:59 zsoltisawesome so just complie for windows
16:59 stormchaser3000 and i re-install cmake
16:59 zsoltisawesome ok
16:59 stormchaser3000 then i can compile
16:59 stormchaser3000 i looked it up on youtube
17:00 stormchaser3000 and i found it
17:00 stormchaser3000 it is easy to use visual studiio
17:00 us_0gb I really should learn how to cross-compile to Windows .... It wouldn't be useful to me, but it would be useful for helping other people.
17:01 zsoltisawesome i hear its difficult
17:01 stormchaser3000 i used menche's windows cross compile
17:01 stormchaser3000 it was broken
17:01 stormchaser3000 but here i can give a donload link for you zso
17:02 stormchaser3000 menche crss-compiled minetest-classic for windows
17:02 stormchaser3000 the menu is broken but it is playable
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17:02 proller but numbers works!
17:03 proller and server client list
17:04 stormchaser3000 http://menche.us/files/minetest-1310.00-win32.zip
17:04 stormchaser3000 zso click that link
17:04 zsoltisawesome ok
17:05 stormchaser3000 you can go to multi player on it but singleplayer works
17:05 stormchaser3000 tthat is the next branch of minetest classic
17:05 stormchaser3000 that menche cross compiles
17:09 zsoltisawesome why does multiplayer not workk?
17:10 Jordach holy shit
17:10 Jordach holy shit
17:10 Jordach you can use [img] tags on .svg
17:10 us_0gb What is .svg?
17:11 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=114748#p114748
17:11 Jordach us_0gb, scalable vector graphics
17:11 stormchaser3000 it crashes every time you try to click on the multiplayer tab
17:11 stormchaser3000 but you can use singleplayer
17:11 us_0gb Jordach, nice! I didn't think forums allowed that.
17:12 Jordach us_0gb, now only if blender rendered in svg
17:12 Jordach i wouldnt have to make 1080p
17:12 stormchaser3000 hey jrodach i ama going to try to compile your minetest-classic and darkrose's
17:12 zsoltisawesome the one you gave me the tab works ine
17:12 zsoltisawesome *fine
17:12 Jordach stormchaser3000, no need
17:12 Jordach darkrose continued where i left off
17:13 stormchaser3000 oh ok
17:13 stormchaser3000 i want to try tours though
17:13 stormchaser3000 it looks interesting
17:13 stormchaser3000 of minetst 0.2 instead of 0.3
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17:14 stormchaser3000 mabie manche updated i
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17:21 Jordach darkrose is looking for textures to replace minetest-classic's current ones
17:21 * Jordach is working on it
17:23 stormchaser3000 use minetest 0.3.1 win32 build textures
17:23 Jordach he wants new textures
17:23 stormchaser3000 oh
17:23 stormchaser3000 so minetest 0.4.7 textures
17:24 stormchaser3000 i hav started working on a minetest 0.4.7 for 0.3.1 tp
17:24 stormchaser3000 i can make it minetest0.4.7 for classic
17:24 stormchaser3000 textures
17:24 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/VFXRsQD.png
17:25 Jordach new apple
17:26 Jordach and as always, sam II goes in
17:26 stormchaser3000 lol
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17:41 proller current players:  - better?
17:42 stormchaser3000 oh hi proller
17:42 proller hi
17:43 stormchaser3000 nice build of minetest
17:44 stormchaser3000 i got sfan5's build of your fork
17:44 stormchaser3000 it was awesome
17:44 stormchaser3000 but it lacks compatibility of non basic servers
17:44 stormchaser3000 :(
17:49 proller where?
17:49 proller must be fully compatible
17:49 stormchaser3000 on vanessaE's server
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17:49 stormchaser3000 um
17:49 stormchaser3000 and a few others
17:49 VanessaE what's not compatible?
17:49 stormchaser3000 i will look again
17:50 VanessaE any of sfan5's recent builds should work fine.
17:50 VanessaE the problem is that horrible fps slowdown problem
17:50 stormchaser3000 prollers fork of minetest (just has a lot of merge requests)
17:50 VanessaE may be related to player models, which I have noticed animate REALLY SLOWLY now
17:50 VanessaE (as if everyone's sneaking
17:50 VanessaE )
17:50 stormchaser3000 yeah i noticed that to
17:50 VanessaE on my server or everywhere?>
17:50 us_0gb Hmm. Might be time to go back to flat players for a while.
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17:51 Dan_D Is there any way of making Simplemobs 2d? ANd what mobs were in 0.3.1?
17:51 VanessaE 0.3.1 had dungeon masters, oerkkis, and rats
17:51 VanessaE and no
17:51 Dan_D Just them?Ok
17:51 VanessaE use MOBF for that.
17:51 Dan_D Why?
17:52 VanessaE because it natively supports 2d mode.
17:52 Dan_D And are the rats in mobf placeable?
17:52 VanessaE dik
17:52 VanessaE idk
17:52 Dan_D ie, do they use default rat item?
17:52 Dan_D sapier
17:53 Dan_D sapier1
17:54 Dan_D Can they permanently be made 2d? I am re-stoking Minetest Nostalgia,and I want to add the 0.3.1 mods, 2d of course
17:54 stormchaser3000 actualy use the legacy mod
17:54 stormchaser3000 it is in minetest game
17:55 stormchaser3000 just put in conf
17:55 Dan_D I thought that just added aliases
17:55 us_0gb It does. And adds the items, but it does NOT add the mobs.
17:55 Dan_D Exactly
17:55 zsoltisawesome UHG
17:55 Dan_D I want the 2d mobs
17:56 Dan_D A light-weight version with 2d mobs
17:56 stormchaser3000 only_peaceful_mobs = false
17:57 stormchaser3000 it works
17:57 kaeza "lightweight" and "mobs" don't fit in the same sentence sadly :(
17:57 stormchaser3000 not only adding alieses
17:57 Dan_D stormchaser, thaht won't add the mobs though
17:57 Dan_D That just disables bad mobs from Simplemobs
17:57 us_0gb I've read the code in legacy/init.lua. Id doesn't add any mobs.
17:57 stormchaser3000 just add in the conf file:only_peaceful_mobs = true
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17:57 Dan_D That won't add the mobs
17:57 stormchaser3000 only_peaceful_mobs = true
17:57 stormchaser3000 i know
17:57 Dan_D And I want the oerkii etc
17:58 Dan_D Just 2d
17:58 stormchaser3000 but try it i had one person do that and they found a dungeon master on there new map
17:58 Dan_D No they didn't
17:58 stormchaser3000 on minetest 0.4.7
17:58 us_0gb They were using a plugin then.
17:58 stormchaser3000 yes they did
17:58 Dan_D That DISABLES all bad mobs from Simplemobs
17:58 Dan_D So I don't believe you
17:59 stormchaser3000 here use this old version of th elegacy mod
17:59 Dan_D No.
17:59 Dan_D There is no mob code in the legacy mod
17:59 stormchaser3000 there is
17:59 Jordach i've made some nice 1800's style bricks: http://i.imgur.com/cK9bFIe.png
17:59 Dan_D NO THERE IS NOT!
17:59 stormchaser3000 there used to be in erlier versions of minetest
17:59 stormchaser3000 proof picture time
17:59 Dan_D Minetest 0.4.7-dev is not an earlier version
17:59 zsoltisawesome there is no longer mob code in legacy
17:59 * stormchaser3000 get's out screen recoreder
18:00 Dan_D Exactly
18:00 zsoltisawesome bricks
18:00 us_0gb Jordach, nice!
18:00 zsoltisawesome lol
18:00 Jordach oh god im laughing my tits off at some spammer in
18:00 Jordach freenode
18:00 zsoltisawesome maybe tone the brightness down a tad?
18:00 zsoltisawesome XD
18:00 VanessaE there hasn't been any significant mob-related code in Minetest since 0.4 came out
18:01 Jordach zsoltisawesome, my fireplace has orange bricks
18:01 Jordach back then bricks we're not a darkish red
18:01 us_0gb My server went down again, it appears ... But this time I have the loop command, so "loop startminetest" should keep it up.
18:01 zsoltisawesome i would have made them dark brown
18:02 stormchaser3000 but there used to be
18:02 Jordach us_0gb, use while True do ./minetestserver --shit here then
18:02 stormchaser3000 there was mob code
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18:02 Dan_D Not now
18:02 VanessaE while true; do minetestserver; sleep 5; done
18:02 Jordach Menche, thanks for the windows build
18:02 stormchaser3000 i know so here in a sec
18:02 VanessaE that's the proper way to do it.
18:02 Jordach VanessaE, i used that as well
18:03 Menche did the newewr windows build actually work?
18:03 Jordach YES
18:03 Jordach it works for me
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18:03 us_0gb Jordach, that's basically what "loop startminetest" does, but startminetest also backs up the world data.
18:03 zsoltisawesome it works for me too
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18:06 zat ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaError: error: ...t/bin/../games/minetest_gam​e/mods/default/player.lua:125: attempt to index local 'anim' (a nil value)
18:06 zat wat
18:07 VanessaE zat: that happens on my server too.
18:07 us_0gb My server STILL isn't on the list .... maybe it wasn't down then.
18:07 zat Any guess VanessaE¡
18:07 zat ?
18:08 stormchaser3000 nvm
18:08 kaeza the player code could use an overhaul
18:08 VanessaE no idea why it does it, but see #minetest-dev log for today
18:08 kaeza it's way overcomplicated IMHO (sorry Taoki)
18:09 zat uh
18:10 VanessaE I've reported this twice at least.  first time resulted in a possible fix but I was never able to confirm the fix worked.  that fix has since fallen out of my local repo for whatever reason, but it may still work if re-applied.
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18:18 cy1 zat: Be sure to update to the latest minetest_game. Mine doesn't have 'anim' on line 125 in player.lua
18:18 cy1 VanessaE:
18:19 cy1 "index ... (a nil value)" is usually as simple as saying if anim ~= nil then ... end around it
18:19 VanessaE mine has?
18:19 VanessaE pl:set_animation({x=anim.stand_START, y=anim.stand_END}, animation_speed_mod, animation_blend)
18:20 VanessaE I show my copy being up-to-date.
18:20 cy1 uh, hold on... I might be on a personal branch
18:20 cy1 Oh no I was
18:21 cy1 I was looking at line 123 by mistake
18:22 cy1 yeah I see the problem
18:22 cy1 player_get_animations returns nil if the model is anything besides "character.x"
18:23 kaeza the issue is that there's no way to disable player anim code
18:23 kaeza and there's no public API to change it either
18:24 cy1 No the issue is that none of the other .x models have animations.
18:24 VanessaE cy1: any of these look like player models, by any chance?  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6258947/
18:24 cy1 But that's an issue too, yes.
18:24 VanessaE (other than line 18)
18:24 cy1 VanessaE: line 18 is probably the culprit. Or rather, the completely reasonable action which exposes the bug in default/player.lua
18:25 VanessaE cy1: thats just my mod archive
18:25 VanessaE that's not what's actually on the server
18:25 cy1 oh, hm
18:25 VanessaE lemme get that list.
18:25 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6258961/
18:26 VanessaE that's what's actually there
18:26 cy1 I assume a different player model would be a different sort of mesh, like a pony.
18:26 VanessaE though I don't think wield3d_character.x is actually *used* by any of the code.
18:27 cy1 Eh I'll try to get something that yields a more responsive error...
18:27 VanessaE hm
18:27 VanessaE wield3d DOES use that model by name,
18:28 VanessaE however, the slow animation happens without it, so that's not related.
18:29 us_0gb OH! I know why my server isn't on the list. It's my recent DNS change. I forgot about the server when I made it.
18:29 VanessaE I wonder if that camp_soldier.x is related.
18:29 VanessaE camo*
18:30 Jordach it's just a gay soldier
18:30 Jordach move along
18:37 thefamilygrog66 my server is now running git, so I don't drown while climbing ladders anymore. o_O
18:38 thefamilygrog66 or climbing beanstalks, or standing in doorways, etc.
18:38 VanessaE https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=42747158589​16&amp;set=vb.1016788026&amp;type=2&amp;theater
18:38 cy1 haha that was a fun bug thefamilygrog66
18:39 VanessaE oh no, please tell me they don't really walk among us!  I thought this ^^^^ was always just an urban legend.
18:39 thefamilygrog66 so weird
18:39 us_0gb What cased that? Why would drowning be defined for those nodes?
18:40 Jordach VanessaE, can you in a nutshell that for me
18:40 us_0gb VanessaE, who are "they"? (I can't play the video.)
18:40 cy1 us_0gb: clearly some vengeful soul who thought they could enable minecraft griefing via sand smothering.
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18:40 VanessaE Jordach: woman calls radio station complaining that deer are crossing the highways at "Deer Crossing" signs...as if the signs are attracting them to cross *there*
18:40 VanessaE this is a recording of that call
18:40 Jordach LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL​OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
18:41 Jordach 'murican stupidity at it's best
18:41 john_minetest lol, just listening to a strange song...
18:41 john_minetest Entertainment by "Dirty Projectors"
18:43 thexyz ShadowNinja: http://wiki.minetest.net/User:Xyz/test
18:44 thefamilygrog66 hilarious call. "they should move the signs somewhere where there's less traffic activity"
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18:48 thefamilygrog66 hah, a fan video of one of my songs I recorded 23 years ago has nearly 300,000 views. crazy kids with their youtubes and tumblrs...
18:48 thexyz what's the song?
18:48 thexyz link pls
18:48 cy1 'k
18:48 thefamilygrog66 sure, one sec
18:49 thefamilygrog66 http://youtu.be/JPlpsuEGj90
18:49 thefamilygrog66 '60s punk type stuff
18:49 VanessaE >thefamily* >punk
18:49 VanessaE non-sequitur!
18:49 VanessaE error!  error!
18:49 thefamilygrog66 I recorded it in my bedroom on a cassette 4-track (and added the drums in the attic)
18:50 thefamilygrog66 what do you mean by non-sequitur?
18:50 VanessaE non-sequitur, "does not follow"
18:51 thefamilygrog66 what, punk following family?
18:51 VanessaE punk rocker != family man :)
18:51 thefamilygrog66 nice generalization, V!
18:51 VanessaE I was kidding :)
18:51 thefamilygrog66 haha
18:51 thefamilygrog66 damn liberals
18:51 thefamilygrog66 :)
18:51 Jordach zing
18:51 VanessaE damn right
18:52 VanessaE bleeding heart and proud of it.
18:52 cy1 VanessaE: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/207 when that gets pulled the thing should work.
18:52 thefamilygrog66 well, liberal in the US is still right of centre up here ;)
18:52 cy1 weild3d I mean
18:52 * Jordach tried to open the 3DS screen: was wrong way round to lift lid
18:52 cy1 wield
18:53 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: oh trust me, one can't get any further left-of-center than me :)
18:53 thefamilygrog66 haha
18:53 thefamilygrog66 thinking of getting a 2DS
18:54 Jordach NUUUU
18:54 Jordach > 2DS
18:54 Jordach > You can disable the 3D in the system settings
18:54 thefamilygrog66 Simonster was so heartbroken when flipnote hamachi (sp?) shutdown on his DSi
18:54 john_minetest 11,5 GB of files in my trash.
18:54 john_minetest fuck yeah!
18:55 Jordach 11.5GB
18:55 Jordach use a fucking decimal
18:55 VanessaE Im a bleeding-heart, socialist, queer-loving Jew bitch :)
18:55 VanessaE from Kansas yet.
18:55 Jordach if it was Ohio i'd have died
18:55 us_0gb Jordach, some contries use commas instead.
18:55 cy1 zat: too
18:55 thefamilygrog66 some mod makers use 64px textures too, but don't mention that
18:56 thefamilygrog66 bahaha
18:56 cy1 wut
18:56 * Jordach starts growling
18:56 cy1 hamachi VPN works on the... Nintendo DS??
18:56 Jordach GO FUCK 64PX
18:56 thefamilygrog66 no, not hamachi, something similar
18:56 Jordach thefamilygrog66, flipnote studio
18:56 Jordach my girlfriends DSi still has that and it works
18:57 thefamilygrog66 yeah, but there's an online flipnote sharing dealio that's shutdown
18:57 cy1 Jordach: it's over 9.000. :p
18:57 thefamilygrog66 flipnote hatena, that's it
18:57 thefamilygrog66 haha, hamachi
18:57 Jordach oh for fuck sakes nintendo
18:58 Jordach Buying something in a game: Take my money!
18:58 Jordach i wonder where they got that idea
18:58 thefamilygrog66 they announced that it would be replaced with a 3D hatena (for 3DS only), but that only works in Japan apparently
18:58 * Jordach sits there with a 3DS whisling
18:58 Jordach fun fact: the 3d effect doesn't harm younger children
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18:59 thefamilygrog66 that's bs, Jordach
18:59 Jordach (if you need to try it; make them stand ~12 inches away froma crt for an hour)
18:59 Jordach their eyes will mess up but restore themselves
18:59 Jordach that;s why i can look at any monitor for indefinite periods
18:59 thefamilygrog66 it gives me a bloody headache
18:59 thefamilygrog66 the 3D, that is
19:00 thefamilygrog66 also the 2DS is only $130CDN
19:00 Jordach just don't slide the slider up (that's what i do, but the 3d effect drains the battery)
19:00 thefamilygrog66 and no hinges
19:00 thefamilygrog66 I have a PSP Go anyway
19:00 NekoGloop Jordach, friend codeses? :D
19:00 Jordach NekoGloop, sure
19:00 Jordach pm me
19:00 thefamilygrog66 Simonster has the DSi
19:00 Jordach thefamilygrog66, http://img.gawkerassets.com/img​/18yg0l9m0l3tdpng/original.png
19:01 thefamilygrog66 nice
19:01 * thefamilygrog66 kinda misses chopping wood
19:01 Jordach or even http://img.gawkerassets.com/img​/18yg2jyvqe0g7jpg/original.jpg
19:01 thefamilygrog66 but not in my pyjamas in the middle of February
19:02 thefamilygrog66 Cool that it's actually only one screen
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19:13 zsoltisawesome YAY
19:13 Jordach wut
19:13 zsoltisawesome 20 more minutes till i finially get CDOS
19:14 Jordach 1 mins until i get what i wanted
19:14 Jordach 54 seconds cmon
19:14 kaeza ^ pr0n
19:14 zsoltisawesome lol
19:15 stormchaser3000 hey zso
19:15 zsoltisawesome ya?
19:15 stormchaser3000 on minetest-classic
19:15 stormchaser3000 go to menche.us port 30000
19:15 zsoltisawesome ok
19:15 zsoltisawesome i'll try
19:18 Jordach kaeza, i've been waiting for an iso to finish
19:18 Jordach i happen to use virtualbox
19:22 Jordach might try arch in it
19:25 ShadowNinja thexyz: ?
19:26 thexyz lua thingy
19:27 thexyz ShadowNinja: didn't you ask for this?
19:27 thexyz http://wiki.minetest.net/Module:Test
19:27 ShadowNinja thexyz: Ah, yes.
19:28 Jordach if i happen to like arch i might use it
19:29 thexyz aren't you happy? :(
19:29 zsoltisawesome hey guys!
19:30 zsoltisawesome http://susestudio.com/a/L3XWbL​/compact-disc-operating-system
19:30 Calinou harsh
19:31 Jordach lol suse
19:31 Jordach more like sues
19:31 zsoltisawesome ???
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19:34 us_0gb zsoltisawesome, Jordach means the good doctor.
19:35 zsoltisawesome still lost
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19:35 us_0gb Doctor Sues.
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19:36 ShadowNinja thexyz: Yes, thanks. :-) I am rewriting some templates now.
19:36 zsoltisawesome lol
19:37 zsoltisawesome OMG 20 seconds
19:37 zsoltisawesome 5
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19:37 zsoltisawesome 1
19:37 Calinou this isn't twitter by the way :P
19:37 zsoltisawesome YAY
19:37 zsoltisawesome was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
19:37 Calinou lol
19:37 Menche yay!
19:37 thomasfuston lol
19:37 Calinou ShadowBot doesn't like happy people
19:37 * Menche was waiting for that
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19:37 zsoltisawesome oy
19:37 Menche ShadowBot doesn't like you.
19:38 thomasfuston only ShadowBot? o.O
19:38 zsoltisawesome i wanna Bill the Gates
19:38 zsoltisawesome XD
19:40 zsoltisawesome NO!
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19:43 * Jordach_ pets NekoGloop
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19:53 * NekoGloop purrs
19:54 * zsoltisawesome rolls his eyes
19:58 * Calinou pets Rainbow Dash with zsoltisawesome
19:58 MinetestBot GIT: proller@github.com commited to minetest/minetest: Masterserver totals fix 382357d61c 2013-10-18T12:57:22-07:00 http://git.io/8cq-aw
19:58 zsoltisawesome what?
19:58 zsoltisawesome oh lol
20:00 * zsoltisawesome gets very offended
20:00 Jordach_ Findus Horse Lasange: RAINBOW DASH FLAVOUR
20:00 * Jordach_ runs
20:01 * zsoltisawesome starts to watch a video
20:01 pitriss Jordach_: omnomnom
20:01 * zsoltisawesome punches Jordach_
20:01 Jordach_ !op
20:02 Jordach_ i can /kick your ass
20:02 zsoltisawesome lol
20:02 * zsoltisawesome becomes depressed
20:03 * zsoltisawesome dies of hunger
20:04 * pitriss thinks thar zsoltisawesome should stop spamming here..
20:04 * zsoltisawesome thinks that this channel never says much
20:04 * zsoltisawesome wanted to change that
20:05 zsoltisawesome lollip!op
20:05 zsoltisawesome LOL
20:06 ShadowNinja zsoltisawesome: That's enough.
20:06 zsoltisawesome ok
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20:07 zsoltisawesome Hi evergreen!
20:07 Jordach_ hello Evergreen
20:07 Evergreen Hello
20:07 ShadowNinja thexyz: Any idea why this throws a Script error wnen trying to invoke it (Only tested the preview) http://wiki.minetest.net/Module:Hearts
20:08 ShadowNinja thexyz: Calling it from the console (=p.hearts(2.5)) works.
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20:14 Jordach_ today's best post: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=114778#p114778
20:15 Calinou hahaha
20:16 Jordach_ fun fact: me and paramat live roughly ~16 miles away from each other
20:16 Evergreen Cool\
20:17 Jordach_ he's nearer to the coast than me though
20:17 Jordach_ im inland
20:19 ShadowNinja thexyz: Is it possible to grant specific rights to users without changing their group on the wiki?
20:19 Jordach_ ShadowNinja, mediawiki isnt minetest
20:20 zsoltisawesome Jordach_: lets not start an argument
20:20 Jordach_ o rly
20:21 Jordach_ sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html
20:21 Jordach_ http://sfan5.duckdns.org/ircstats/minetest.html
20:21 Jordach_ ^ better
20:22 Calinou noone near me plays Minetest
20:22 * Jordach_ pets Calinou
20:23 Calinou don't know where Zeg9 lives :p
20:23 Calinou and cisoun is in switzerland
20:23 Jordach Calinou, afaik, you're near northern france right
20:24 Jordach i might be the closest minetest player to Calinou
20:24 Calinou yep, north east
20:24 ShadowNinja You beat Peacock?
20:25 Calinou Jordach: no, cisoun is probably closer, or maybe Zeg9
20:25 Calinou or redcrab
20:25 Calinou (if he ever comes back :p)
20:25 ShadowNinja Jordach: What floodbot did you use?
20:25 ShadowNinja ;-)
20:26 ShadowNinja You're actually ahead of Vanessa in some hours.
20:27 Jordach ShadowNinja, multiple lines because my typing sucks
20:27 Jordach trust me
20:27 Jordach how do i even beat VanessaE? honest.
20:27 ShadowNinja Jordach: I cann't typ tday
20:27 Evolykane Bye
20:28 VanessaE ?
20:28 Jordach that's like getting into an eating contest with VanessaE
20:28 Jordach im going to lose
20:28 ShadowNinja *can't type today
20:28 * VanessaE frowns :(
20:28 Jordach VanessaE, i can bearly fucking eat
20:28 Jordach (i dont have a large stomach)
20:28 Jordach Calinou, http://i.imgur.com/jQRRfZl.jpg
20:29 thefamilygrog66 Europe is so tiny.
20:29 zsoltisawesome yes
20:29 ShadowNinja How.....? Jordach: 1341 actions!
20:29 * Jordach is awesome
20:29 Jordach please accept that
20:29 Jordach 1342
20:29 thefamilygrog66 It take three days just to drive across Ontario...
20:30 ShadowNinja Hah.
20:30 VanessaE would someone please audit my game and help me find wtf is killing everyone's performance?
20:30 VanessaE I'm ready to give up on it.
20:30 ShadowNinja I thought ShadowBot would start appearing in those kick stats by now...
20:30 Jordach ShadowNinja, we redacted ShadowBot on purpose
20:30 thefamilygrog66 how does one audit, V?
20:31 ShadowNinja Jordach: :-(
20:31 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: go through the various mods' code, looking for problems
20:31 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Does technic_game show those issues?
20:31 Jordach VanessaE, too much bloat. try minetest-classic
20:31 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa​/hobbies/minetest/VanessaE_Game.tar.bz2
20:31 VanessaE Jordach: minetest-nostalgia is fast as hell (I have a third server I just opened)
20:31 VanessaE ShadowNinja: I have not tried it, but see there ^^
20:32 Jordach VanessaE, no where as fast as minetest-classic 0.3.3
20:32 ShadowNinja ^ How to use up all of your bandwidth for the next ten minutes.
20:32 Calinou http://i.imgur.com/8VKRIIq.jpg
20:32 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Do you skip *.git* when making the archive?
20:32 Calinou I'm approximately at the red dot
20:33 Calinou VanessaE: .tar.xz > .tar.bz2 :p
20:33 VanessaE ShadowNinja: yes
20:33 VanessaE ShadowNinja: and "backups", as tar defines them
20:34 VanessaE want the game with those things included?
20:34 ShadowNinja .tar.gz.bz2.xz.zip <-- That ought to compress it. ;-)
20:34 Calinou don't forget .rar to keep trisquel users away
20:34 Jordach Calinou, how did my arrow point at your dot
20:34 Jordach that's fucking suspicious
20:35 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Nah, I'l just git clone if I want it, but I am NOT combing through 30MB of code.
20:35 Calinou heh
20:35 VanessaE ShadowNinja: it's ok, I didn't think you'd want to (who would?)
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20:35 thefamilygrog66 I'm gonna guess it's moretrees.
20:35 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: this is a fps problem, not mapgen lag
20:36 Calinou IIRC it's slow even with fancy trees disabled
20:36 ShadowNinja VanessaE: rm mods until you find the misbehaving one. (That's how I found that mesecons liked eating 100% CPU)
20:36 thefamilygrog66 Oh, I've noticed major fps issues with those angled roof corners. Does that make sense?
20:36 fairiestoy Shadow, what exactly triggers this impact?
20:36 VanessaE it's slow even if you're standing on top of a tall tree and nothing else below you is visible besides the rest of the tre
20:37 VanessaE +e
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20:37 ShadowNinja fairiestoy: IDK, I have re-added most of mesecons to my server and it hasn't happened again recently.
20:37 fairiestoy ShadowNinja: Alright, thanks though
20:41 thefamilygrog66 VanessaE, I can have killer fps, but as soon as I look at the roof of my spawn, it drops to like 5 fps: http://i.imgur.com/uurG91F.png
20:42 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: I updated those ages ago to tone down the detail
20:42 VanessaE they're only 16 steps now instead of like 256
20:43 zsoltisawesome http://stephaneginier.com/sculptgl/
20:43 thefamilygrog66 you mean I gotta download a new version of homedecor?
20:43 zsoltisawesome yes
20:47 ShadowNinja VanessaE: LOL, 256? I would like to see what you could do with 1024 or so.
20:47 VanessaE ShadowNinja: beyond 256, rendering errors
20:47 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: homedecor has been updated a lot lately.
20:48 VanessaE I recommend you git pull
20:49 VanessaE kaeza did some nice work on the signs
20:49 VanessaE sharper fonts, more text per sign - 10000% easier to read
20:54 cisoun Calinou: what's your city ?
20:54 cisoun (just to know the distance from me)
20:56 Calinou near troyes
20:56 Calinou hi cisoun btw :) long time no see
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20:57 cisoun o/
20:58 cisoun There are about 290 km between us.
20:58 cisoun Close enough ?
20:58 cisoun Yeah I'm not really into minetest these days. Tons of work and my graphic driver is shitty since Linux 3.9...
20:59 cisoun (Nouveau was really good but doesn't work for me since Linux 3.9 and Minetest crashes with Nvidia.)
20:59 VanessaE nice to see you in here again, cisoun
20:59 cisoun Hey !
21:08 zsoltisawesome this is a really dull test, i keep answering "yes, yes, yes, yes" and so on
21:10 * zsoltisawesome thinks about making a clickbot
21:11 Calinou cisoun: that's weird (the driver)
21:11 Calinou I guess I'll upgrade (or reinstall) 13.10 soonish...
21:11 Calinou waiting a few days for less loaded servers + obvious bugfix
21:11 Calinou clickbot?
21:11 Calinou don't reinvent the wheel, there is a large choice of software that clicks for you :)
21:12 thefamilygrog66 you need one of these, zsoltisawesome: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_bird
21:12 zsoltisawesome why?
21:13 zsoltisawesome oh lol
21:13 zsoltisawesome to click the mouse
21:13 kaeza "xdotool -r 100000 -d 10 click 1" and watch your CPU melt :3
21:13 Calinou heh, I always used --repeat and --dleay
21:13 zsoltisawesome sadly Windows isn't Unix-based
21:15 thefamilygrog66 This is the only clip I could find, zsoltisawesome: http://youtu.be/8OkKhkJiJyo
21:16 zsoltisawesome lol
21:16 zsoltisawesome funny
21:26 zsoltisawesome i found something better: https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=d02772c​5ef189116&amp;id=D02772C5EF189116!140
21:28 thefamilygrog66 haha, you can tell my six-year-old picked out the artwork for my server: http://i.imgur.com/ArL8Vg3.png
21:28 VanessaE heh
21:29 VanessaE ok angry birds, yoshi, and...what?
21:29 zsoltisawesome peashooter (plants vs zombies)
21:29 VanessaE ah
21:29 VanessaE never heard of it
21:29 thefamilygrog66 ^^^
21:29 thefamilygrog66 you've never heard of plants vs zombies?!
21:29 zsoltisawesome its not much to hear of
21:30 * thefamilygrog66 must take a nap now
21:31 * zsoltisawesome must pour a bucket of ice water over thefamilygrog66's head
21:33 * zsoltisawesome doesn't take naps, he thinks they are for infants and elderly people
21:33 zsoltisawesome lol
21:35 zsoltisawesome has anyone else tried Madbox Linux?
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21:37 zsoltisawesome :|
21:37 zsoltisawesome what are you doing here?
21:37 rainbow_dash_ I'm bored
21:40 VanessaE so play a game?
21:40 rainbow_dash_ Like what?
21:40 zsoltisawesome like the game that this channel is about...
21:40 Menche there's this game called Minetest
21:41 rainbow_dash_ Oh really, your kidding?
21:41 Menche it seems that many on this channel have heard about it
21:41 rainbow_dash_ Really?
21:41 zsoltisawesome dude
21:41 VanessaE Dan, at the next restart of nostalgia, your forum post will be linked in to the aerver list
21:41 zsoltisawesome stop with the harsh sarcasm
21:41 VanessaE server*
21:41 rainbow_dash_ ...
21:42 zsoltisawesome do you want me to take your phone?
21:42 rainbow_dash_ You can't do that!
21:43 zsoltisawesome umm, i can walk into your room and grab it from you
21:43 rainbow_dash_ I won't let you!
21:44 zsoltisawesome just, just leave
21:44 rainbow_dash_ FINE!!!
21:45 zsoltisawesome sorry about that
21:46 Evergreen Who was that?   lol
21:48 zsoltisawesome my brother
21:48 zsoltisawesome he wont let me irc in peace
21:59 zsoltisawesome YAY
21:59 zsoltisawesome finally
22:00 * zsoltisawesome slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout
22:00 * zsoltisawesome slaps MinetestBot around a bit with a large trout
22:00 * zsoltisawesome slaps ShadowBot around a bit with a large trout
22:00 * Menche thinks you should say more messages in quick succession
22:01 Menche (if you want to annoy ShadowBot
22:01 zsoltisawesome i was trying to aviod getting kicked agian
22:01 Menche )
22:01 zsoltisawesome !seen zsoltisawesome
22:01 MinetestBot zsoltisawesome: zsoltisawesome was last seen at 2013-10-18 22:01:15 UTC on #minetest
22:01 zsoltisawesome !seen harnetadmin
22:01 MinetestBot zsoltisawesome: Sorry, I haven't seen harnetadmin around.
22:02 zsoltisawesome !seen harpnetadmin
22:02 MinetestBot zsoltisawesome: harpnetadmin was last seen at 2013-10-16 21:01:18 UTC on #minetest
22:05 fairiestoy Is that counting as harrassment?
22:05 VanessaE no, just flooding.
22:05 fairiestoy hell, worth to ask
22:06 zsoltisawesome im bored
22:07 fairiestoy Play minetest
22:10 kaeza why the +q ?
22:10 kaeza who flooded this time? :P
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22:22 Dan_D Help, with my mt_nostalgia game mese picks can't be crafted, even though the recipe is right
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22:24 ShadowNinja Dan_D: Code.
22:24 Dan_D Look on Github
22:27 VanessaE https://github.com/DanDuncombe/mt_nostalgia
22:27 VanessaE ^^^^ dan's code.
22:30 VanessaE I've browsed through it and can't see the issue
22:31 VanessaE wait, wtf.
22:31 VanessaE my local copy doesn't match
22:31 VanessaE dan this might me my fauly.
22:31 Dan_D Aha.
22:31 VanessaE fault*(
22:31 Dan_D Ok
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22:33 * Menche curses 'singleplayer's arbitrarily limited privs
22:46 john_minetest carts/boats and shaders have to be improved. Driving a cart is buggy and ugly. Like boats. And there are no proper shaders.
22:46 john_minetest Anyways, gtg, cya.
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23:30 Peacock how do i lsystem this tree? (the weird Y shaped one) http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nQaKjURiO_A/T​A2OSb1pjSI/AAAAAAAAAKc/uhR3RjQVprw/s160​0/earth_carboniferous_riverbank_600.jpg
23:31 VanessaE someting like axiom="FFFFFFFFFFA", rule_a="[&&FFFA][^^FFFA]"
23:31 VanessaE iterations = 3, angle = 20
23:31 Peacock thanks :-)
23:31 VanessaE that should get you close anyway
23:32 Peacock i modified some of your moretree models to make carboniferous type trees :D
23:32 VanessaE cool
23:32 Peacock which is basically long trunks, fewer leaves lol
23:32 VanessaE plan on contributing them back to moretrees? :)
23:32 Peacock well they'd be out of place for the time period?
23:32 Peacock i can take pics and you decide yourself
23:32 VanessaE well
23:33 VanessaE in minetest almost anything goes.  Hell, we have mese trees in nyancat heaven, and there was that iron trees mod way back when....
23:33 VanessaE and your alien and bouleau trees if I remember eight
23:33 VanessaE eight*
23:33 VanessaE RIGHT*****
23:33 Peacock lol
23:34 Peacock bouleau yeah i didn't know the english word at the time (birch) lol
23:34 VanessaE I wondered wtf a bouleau tree was :D
23:34 Peacock bouleau = birch, not one of those obvious translations lol
23:34 VanessaE who was it who had that cherryblossom tree?
23:35 Peacock cherryblossom...hm, wasn't that sapier?
23:35 VanessaE idk
23:35 Peacock i remember making a white bark tree with pink leaves, forget the name tho
23:35 Peacock then i made those slim trees you often see in new subdivisions
23:35 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1638
23:36 VanessaE it was you :P
23:36 Peacock lol both the image and file host are dead lol
23:36 VanessaE yup
23:36 Peacock i can't remember everything i code :P
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23:36 Peacock i think the #1 complaint about madblocks was that it changed too much in the span of a week XD
23:36 VanessaE I still have the HDX textures for all of those mods except nyancat heaven
23:37 VanessaE yes
23:37 VanessaE you went from OCD to ADHD :)
23:37 Peacock carboniferous (not all textures finished): http://s22.postimg.org/rjxs4c​hjl/screenshot_3385891282.png
23:37 Inocudom Why are the forums so quiet lately? What happened?
23:37 Peacock thats one of the tree model edits
23:37 VanessaE that's not bad at all
23:37 VanessaE reduce the angle param
23:37 VanessaE make the branches longer
23:37 Peacock i dont know what to name the trees, i can't find any documentation about tree names for the era
23:38 VanessaE [__FFFA] ---> [__FFFFFFFFA]
23:38 Peacock shit which tree is that?
23:38 VanessaE http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi​a/commons/8/8e/Meyers_b15_s0272b.jpg
23:38 VanessaE look at the bottom of the image
23:38 Peacock jesus lol
23:38 Peacock i saw that image too
23:38 Peacock didn't spot the text
23:39 VanessaE oh sorry, that was a suggestion to change your rule_a setting,.  add more F's
23:39 VanessaE and make the angle a little smaller
23:39 Peacock hmm yeah but what tree (name) is it?
23:39 VanessaE I'd guess it's number 2
23:39 VanessaE Schuppenbaum (Lepidodendron)
23:40 Peacock no i mean the moretree model im supposed to change :P i haven't changed the names yet
23:40 VanessaE oh
23:40 Peacock were those the apple trees?
23:40 VanessaE well whatever model produced http://s22.postimg.org/rjxs4c​hjl/screenshot_3385891282.png  this image
23:40 Peacock lemme go ingame and find out lol
23:40 VanessaE I assumed ^^^ that iage was an attempt to use the tree model basis I gave you
23:41 Peacock yup its the apple tree i modified for that one
23:41 Peacock more F's?
23:42 VanessaE mmhmm
23:42 VanessaE well wait
23:42 VanessaE no
23:42 VanessaE nevermind
23:42 VanessaE forget I said that
23:42 Peacock okie dokie lol
23:42 VanessaE llet's see what your other one looks like
23:43 Peacock hm, either use the oak or pine model/tree for that
23:43 Peacock pine
23:43 VanessaE well start with any model you want but none of them are gonna have axioms/rules that'll be anywhere close to the that cgi image you showed
23:44 VanessaE well maybe jungle trees might
23:44 VanessaE if you don't mind mentally parsing the code to build a suitable model to start from :P
23:45 VanessaE Inocudom: about the forums, I don't know why they seem quiet
23:45 Peacock if i understood lsystem at all it wouldn't be any trouble lol
23:46 VanessaE well I meant parsing the Lua code that builds the models
23:46 Inocudom With proller's development branch around, you think people might be excited again. Things weren't quite this quiet last year.
23:46 VanessaE (I had to build them in Lua because I needed more randomness than could be fit into one static def)
23:47 VanessaE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepidodendrales
23:47 VanessaE found my way to a readable article
23:48 VanessaE um...definitely out-of-time for moretrees :D
23:48 VanessaE maybe you can fork it and make it into prehistoric_trees :D
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23:48 Peacock yeah well i got the idea from the carbinoferous mod from MC
23:48 VanessaE *nod*
23:49 Peacock after playing mt- classic i got the idea to create a new game, sortof, reset or back to basics, but in a different setting/environment
23:49 Peacock http://s22.postimg.org/7pping​6hd/screenshot_3455543588.png
23:50 VanessaE nice
23:50 kahrl Inocudom: keep in mind very few people actually go and compile and use branches other than master
23:51 Peacock yeah, all i need to do tho is switch the direction of the 2 branches upwards, and strip the middle of leaves
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23:53 Peacock inocudom: i also noticed things getting quiet here and on the forums, though not too many people talk about MC either, so it may just be the voxel genre in general
23:53 VanessaE or summer winding fdown
23:53 VanessaE down*
23:53 VanessaE everyone goes back to school, etc.
23:53 VanessaE well not summer, fall now
23:53 VanessaE you get the point
23:53 VanessaE everyone's busy with school or whatever else
23:54 Peacock tell me about it, things start getting gray outside and i can't sleep at night anymore, lol hit the sack at 9am this morning
23:55 Peacock wife woke me at 4pm with coffee thinking i'd been sleeping for 12 hours lol
23:56 VanessaE heh
23:58 Peacock sucks though, in fall and winter i need nightshift work, spring and summer i usually find another daytime job lol
23:58 Peacock thats how i got to 30 jobs over 15 years lol

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