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00:06 bas080 joined #minetest
00:14 Peacock lol check out http://debian-multimedia.org/
00:15 kaeza seems legit
00:15 kaeza wait what
00:16 Peacock lol how much you wanna bet its one of those ruskie scams using the repos to insert nasty malware lol
00:17 Peacock thank god, just checked synaptic, clean :-)
00:19 Peacock im hesitant to change my debian repos from wheezy to the next one up, but my vlc is that old version with all the tearing :/
00:21 Peacock also my xfce version doesn't have that auto-tile on screen edges that i love
00:26 thefamilygrog66 joined #minetest
00:26 thefamilygrog66 bonjour mes amis
00:26 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Grooooooooooooooooog!
00:26 thefamilygrog66 Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
00:26 VanessaE hey grog
00:27 thefamilygrog66 howdy V
00:27 thefamilygrog66 what's new?
00:27 VanessaE not much
00:27 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan conquering Persia
00:27 thefamilygrog66 again?
00:28 thefamilygrog66 I'm thinking more turkey leftovers...
00:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan naw last time was Czeckoslovakia
00:28 thefamilygrog66 I can conquer that
00:28 VanessaE obama's on c-spam...
00:28 VanessaE "thank the leaders of both parties for getting us to this point"
00:28 VanessaE "I will sign it immediately."
00:28 VanessaE good.
00:28 thefamilygrog66 you guys got gubment again?
00:29 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i sortof suspected they would come up with a deal at the last minute, just like last time
00:29 VanessaE grog:  in a few mins, yes
00:29 VanessaE allegedly.
00:29 VanessaE peacock:  the voted to raise their credit limit :-/
00:29 VanessaE they*
00:29 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan how about raising taxes or cutting expenses tho?
00:30 thefamilygrog66 ^^^
00:30 VanessaE I wish.
00:30 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan its kinda depressing that they have to argue over how much more debt to saddle your children and grandchildren with lol
00:30 VanessaE but noooooo we can't do that
00:30 thefamilygrog66 you sound like you're from soviet canuckistan, Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
00:31 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Canada is almost worse off, the fed is going to break even but the provinces will be in terrible shape financially
00:31 thefamilygrog66 yay, downloading
00:31 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Ontario is already in the toilet, Alberta turned a huge surplus into a deficit, Quebec doesn't seem to care
00:31 thefamilygrog66 THAT'S what that smell is
00:31 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though at least in Quebec we're talking about gassing the geezers (assisted suicide) :P
00:32 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and the obvious question is, if all the young people need to go west to find work, what happens to all the geezers in the east when the working taxpayers are gone and theres no money for health/services?
00:33 thefamilygrog66 Canada turned a huge surplus into a deficit as well, even before 2008
00:33 thefamilygrog66 way to go guys
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00:34 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the conservatives did that before the recession, and come the next election they'll be fucked, royally
00:34 VanessaE same here
00:34 VanessaE they're gonna get their asses handed to them.
00:34 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i say royally because the cons are crazy about the queen lol
00:34 thefamilygrog66 haha
00:34 thefamilygrog66 okay, leftover conquering time
00:34 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i say, why have one queen thousands of miles away, when we have hundreds of queens in all our major cities?
00:35 thefamilygrog66 oh, did you see the bad lip sync game of thrones thingie?
00:35 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the throne speach?
00:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan (reminds me of when i talk to myself on the can) :P
00:36 thefamilygrog66 no, GoT as a renaissance theme park
00:36 thefamilygrog66 google that - pretty hilarious
00:36 thefamilygrog66 brb
00:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan enjoy your turkey :P all they had left was duck when i went to the store
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01:09 paramat hi captain p and grog. captain p, i saw this architecture and thought of you http://www.aasarchitecture.com/201​3/10/The-Interlace-by-OMA_16.html
01:10 VanessaE ah he's here
01:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan whos captain p? lol
01:10 VanessaE someone was looking for you earlier, paramat
01:10 VanessaE [10-16 15:16] * harpnetAdmin starts to wonder if he will ever hear back from paramat
01:10 paramat yes he PM'd me
01:10 VanessaE ok
01:11 paramat i think thats zsoltisawesome of moontest fame. also hi to VanessaE
01:12 VanessaE oh ok
01:13 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lol restaurant's seal burger sparks death threats from animal activists - the irony lol
01:13 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan killing animals bad, killing people A-OK apparently lol
01:14 VanessaE seal burger? O.O
01:14 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/10/16/restaur​ants-seal-meat-burger-named-after-brigitte-bard​ot-sparks-threats-from-animal-rights-activists/
01:15 VanessaE could be worse I guess....Heart Attack Grill
01:15 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan gotta love the extreme left - on the one hand they want us to take care of natives, on the other, they want us to ban all their forms of hunting XD i guess what they want is more welfare dependency lol
01:15 VanessaE (don't bother looking it up... their website is a total mess)
01:15 VanessaE hey now,
01:15 VanessaE I'm one of those extreme lefties....and I'm sitting here eating a meat lover's pizza :P
01:16 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan no but its kinda contradictory coming from the same group :P
01:16 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan how can we take care of natives and ban hunting what they hunt? isn't that destroying their culture? lol
01:16 VanessaE *shakes head*
01:16 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan thats the UN for ya lol
01:17 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Heart attack grill - arent they the ones making those gynormous burgers?
01:17 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and btw, love meatlovers pizza lol
01:18 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan for every animal vegans wont eat, i'll eat 3 lol
01:19 VanessaE lol
01:19 VanessaE I loves my dead pig and cow :D
01:19 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i dont know what the english word is for "gibier" (deer/moose) but thats good too
01:19 VanessaE I forget now what that's called
01:20 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan ahh, game meat
01:20 VanessaE oh right
01:20 VanessaE Venison
01:20 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan ive had shark too, tasted like shit lol
01:20 VanessaE ok US House vote coming now
01:20 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan kinda curious about crocodile meat and austriche
01:20 VanessaE never had croc meat
01:21 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan should try it, you're closer to it than i am, ill prolly pay alot more for it lol
01:21 VanessaE heh
01:21 VanessaE hardly any closer.  what, 1500km? :)  crocs ain't exactly common here
01:22 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though around here, game and duck cost as much as the ordinary meats, so i guess im spoiled lol
01:22 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan ever had elk?
01:23 VanessaE one of my favorites is gyro meat - lamb + beef
01:23 VanessaE nope, never had
01:23 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan elk is fucking awesome
01:23 Mossmanikin veganism is cruel, those poor plants don't stand a chance
01:23 thefamilygrover meat good
01:23 VanessaE Abe ha shad Elk before.  says it's kinda "gamey"
01:23 VanessaE "It was fair to midlin"
01:24 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the wife is a true native, she's gonna go hunt moose in a few weeks :D
01:24 VanessaE he's had buffalo, similar opinion of it
01:24 thefamilygrover nice
01:24 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan elk is pretty good, tender, no much fat, lots of flavour, and you know, they're not raised in pens, they eat plants in the forest
01:25 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan to get the equivalent in terms of chicken or beef, you'd have to buy the "bio" variety, and even then i have my doubts about what makes them "bio" lol
01:25 * thefamilygrover wants to raise chickens in the backyard
01:26 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan you live in the country right? should be easy enough
01:26 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i wanna go further north, hunting only gets better
01:26 thefamilygrover nope, I used to live in the woods until April, but bought a house in Kingston this past summer
01:26 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan never tried buffalo, never had it on the shelves here :(
01:26 Sokomine khaan: send her to study the moose and make an animated blender model afterwards :-) (while letting the animal escape)
01:27 thefamilygrover apparently it's legal to have a few chickens here now, provided I get the neighbours' approval
01:27 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the only place i could keep chickens is on the balcony, and i doubt im allowed :P
01:27 thefamilygrover cat's licking the turkey gravy off my plate. bad cat.
01:27 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan my cat's sitting on my lap, i shall be stroking my pussy all evening :(
01:28 thefamilygrover errr yeah
01:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan </slocombe>
01:28 Mossmanikin ok?
01:28 Sokomine if you have a cat, your balcony is probably considered by your cat her territory anyway. no chance for chicken
01:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan http://youtu.be/unmkX15AeN8
01:28 VanessaE haha
01:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i dont let the cat out
01:28 Sokomine oh
01:28 thefamilygrover my back yard's around 35x60 feet - plenty of room for a chicken coop
01:28 VanessaE my cats know their territory quite well
01:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i dont want random people petting her, you don't know where they've been
01:29 VanessaE and where it stops in particular
01:29 thefamilygrover my cat's have been indoors ever since the fishers took three in as many years at the old place
01:29 thefamilygrover *cats, jeebus
01:29 Mallot1 joined #minetest
01:30 Mallot1 hello, all
01:30 thefamilygrover bonjour
01:30 Mallot1 i forgot the idea of minetest
01:30 Mossmanikin Hi Mallot1
01:30 Mallot1 like the direction its going
01:30 Mallot1 Hi Mossmanikin
01:30 thefamilygrover when was the last time you played Mallot1?
01:30 Mallot1 yesterday
01:31 thefamilygrover I mean, previously
01:31 Mallot1 ye
01:31 Mallot1 s
01:31 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Minetest is part of everything. He’s in the sky and sea. He’s in the dreams of children at night. He is all that there is. Forever.
01:31 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan </boardwalk empire>
01:31 thefamilygrover candyman candyman candyman
01:31 Mossmanikin Wisely spoken
01:31 thefamilygrover oops, did it again
01:32 thefamilygrover damn mirror
01:32 Mallot1 :D
01:32 VanessaE meh.  *pops the candyman in the head with a .357*
01:32 Mossmanikin :D
01:32 Mallot1 lol, i thouht it said poops
01:32 Mallot1 X3
01:32 thefamilygrover oh jeeze, forgot I have a gig on Friday
01:32 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan poops is vulgar, Picard would say "number one, i order you to take a number two"
01:33 * thefamilygrover should probably practise...
01:33 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan meh, just get wasted and wing it
01:33 thefamilygrover number two, earl grey, hot.
01:33 Mallot1 i think we need to start trying to target kids to play minetest
01:33 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan it served me well
01:33 Mallot1 i don t think we have to many on public servers
01:33 thefamilygrover that's par for the course Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
01:33 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan when i was a dishwasher, sobriety was rare lol
01:33 thefamilygrover my son, who's six, plays sometimes
01:34 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and i still did a better job than the sober philipinos lol
01:34 thefamilygrover but he still prefers minecraft
01:34 Mallot1 awwww
01:34 Mallot1 but its a start :)
01:34 thefamilygrover for sure
01:34 Mallot1 ill see if i can get my friends to play again
01:34 Mallot1 we should start etting advertising
01:34 thefamilygrover mesecons just don't measure up to redstone for him, anyway - he loves making redstone gadgets
01:34 Mallot1 i love mesecon
01:35 Mallot1 so i cant imagine redstone
01:35 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan too complicated for my taste lol
01:35 Mallot1 lol
01:35 thefamilygrover you're smart - you can make us go
01:35 thefamilygrover what was that episode?
01:35 Mallot1 I never heard of it
01:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan episode of which show
01:36 thefamilygrover tng
01:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan oh
01:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan those morons
01:36 thefamilygrover the dudes kidnapped jordi
01:36 thefamilygrover *sp
01:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan that happened twice lol
01:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan morons: Samaritan Snare
01:36 thefamilygrover yes!
01:36 NakedFury joined #minetest
01:37 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the other episodes had the romulans kidnap him and replace him with a clone or some genetically modified romulan, i forget which
01:37 thefamilygrover can't remember that one
01:37 thefamilygrover though I've seen every one numerous times, I'm sure
01:37 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan The Mind's Eye
01:37 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan heck TNG played all the time on CityTV growing up in TO
01:37 Mallot1 are mesecons still maintained
01:37 thefamilygrover used to watch the original series and tng each at least twice a day
01:38 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan frasier played alot back then too, thats how i got into it lol
01:38 thefamilygrover I dunno Mallot1 - have there been any updates to that one recently?
01:38 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan kelsey grammar (frasier) appeared on TNG, as did his ex-wife, Lilith lol
01:38 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Lilith played one of the many aliens Riker bedded lol
01:38 Mallot1 i dont think so :/
01:38 thefamilygrover hmm
01:39 Mallot1 i like them though i wonder if i would eb ale to help
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01:39 Mallot1 testycircuits
01:39 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lol testycircuits...
01:39 roguejedi79 on a business trip, cant wait to get home to get mods on my new server
01:39 Mallot1 :3
01:40 Mallot1 what server
01:40 Mallot1 do you have mesecons?
01:40 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan no they're evil, try decepticons
01:40 Mallot1 :D
01:41 Mallot1 transformers
01:41 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i really regret getting those tattoes done since the new movies came out lol
01:41 Mallot1 lol
01:41 Mallot1 tattoes of transformers?
01:41 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan now people actually think i like the new movies lol while they're way older than that (obvious by the fading)
01:41 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan yeah, i have the autobots symbol on one leg, the decepticons on the other
01:41 Mallot1 cool
01:42 Mallot1 so...
01:42 NakedFury Ryker was a man slut
01:42 Mallot1 how are we all doing with...
01:42 Mallot1 the ladies B)
01:42 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Ryker... meets a hermaphrodite species ... fucks one of them lol
01:42 NakedFury also ryker had the "I own this place" seating style
01:42 thefamilygrover Riker always sat down on chairs weirdly.
01:43 NakedFury yeah leg over the back
01:43 thefamilygrover there's a youtube montage
01:43 NakedFury sometimes even same way to get back up
01:43 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan not to mention exposing his crotch to wesley by lifting his leg on the console's support thingy
01:43 NakedFury yeah man!
01:43 thefamilygrover haha
01:43 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan not that wesley hated it but still lol
01:43 NakedFury like here visitor take a glance at my crotch
01:43 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan did that to wesley: http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/wp​-content/uploads/2013/05/Riker1.jpg
01:44 NakedFury inviting him to seat down was inviting a crotch glance
01:44 NakedFury lol
01:44 NakedFury that episode
01:44 NakedFury he got back up same way
01:44 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the picard maneuver as well: http://youtu.be/j4Z3SYf6_Q8
01:44 thefamilygrover bahaha - it's his trademark, like the Fonz punching the jukebox, man
01:45 thefamilygrover can't watching picard tugging it anymore
01:45 thefamilygrover o_O
01:45 NakedFury wow never noticed it before
01:45 NakedFury its the same as the Ryker maneuver
01:46 NakedFury I cant help but notice it now
01:46 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan he was always pulling down his shirt lol
01:46 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan still better than the 1-pieces they used early on lol
01:46 NakedFury but star trek clothing sucks either way
01:47 thefamilygrover I'd love an original series red shirt
01:47 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan in the early seasons, they even had manskirts lol
01:47 thefamilygrover I'd wear that thing like crazy
01:47 NakedFury the only uniform I like from the series is the old style: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:S​tar_Trek_Wrath_of_Khan_uniforms.jpg
01:47 thefamilygrover yeah, remember the manskirts...errr...kilts.
01:47 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan http://youtu.be/pEJ0XlX9Kbo
01:47 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan ^manskirt
01:48 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan they shoulda stuck with the red one yeah, maybe a bit more modernised, but it looked a little more military yeah
01:48 thefamilygrover nice
01:48 NakedFury the one in TNG and the rest of the series just looks lame
01:48 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though the greytops from DS9 werent bad either
01:48 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan in voyager they stuck with the ugly ones till the end :/
01:49 NakedFury its no wonder Worf had an ilegal uniform accesory
01:49 Sokomine would you like to wear something like that? guess the original tshirts might be most comftable
01:49 thefamilygrover okay, I gotta at least run through my set once - it is a one-man band after all, so I can't count on anyone else to cover my ass
01:49 NakedFury the low point in star trek uniform was reached in Enterprise
01:50 NakedFury god that looked, without offense, like a janitor uniform
01:50 NakedFury or painter
01:50 Sokomine i do consider enterprise to be an alternate timeline/universe anyway. does not fit to the rest
01:50 NakedFury yeah many events very important happened that were never mentioned anyway
01:50 NakedFury the whole stupid time war
01:51 NakedFury that was a waste of story
01:51 Sokomine exactly. but not only that
01:51 thefamilygrover I will leave you with a video of me performing my song about zombie nightmares, in a bar, behind chicken wire, as people dance and throw empty beer cans and fried chicken bones at me.
01:51 NakedFury and I hated the captain style in Enterprise too. he always went in expeditions when as captain he just didnt have to
01:52 thefamilygrover http://youtu.be/7n6ZbJE2HF0
01:52 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan enterprise never happened XD
01:52 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan scott bakula was alot better in quantum leap than star trek lol
01:52 NakedFury yep
01:53 NakedFury I just cant stand how they wasted half the show to Temporal cold War
01:53 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan it didn't make much sense either
01:53 NakedFury then the second other half to an important Star Trek event that felt equally lame
01:53 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan in the other 3 series, they time-traveled all the time without these guys showing up to fix it
01:53 VanessaE hey now I liked Enterprise.
01:53 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the xindi season sucked ass the most
01:53 NakedFury ^ agreed
01:54 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the species were so ridiculous
01:54 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan even the kazon were less laughable, and my sister called them trolls lol
01:54 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan kazon: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/​2220/2392237019_01cecd96f8.jpg
01:55 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan its no surprise Enterprise ended after 4 seasons, and the finale was the biggest cop-out lol
01:55 VanessaE ok I agree the finale was shit
01:55 NakedFury I even preferred the constant irritable paranoia of humans towards Vulcans, specially annoying Tucker
01:55 VanessaE as was the "in the mirror darkly"
01:56 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan they shoulda stuck to stories that hadn't been established in cannon, but throwing the borg in there, really?
01:56 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and im sposed to believe starfleet knew nothing when picard met the borg later on lol
01:57 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan not as if people weren't sick of the borg after voyager lol
01:57 VanessaE ok th US House is voting now
01:57 paramat that missisipi grover video is good, i'm impressed
01:57 VanessaE 42:9 in favor, so far
01:57 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan voyager: borg show up, Janeway says "bitch please", borg loose lol
01:57 NakedFury 42 in favor that Enterprise sucked
01:57 VanessaE haha
01:58 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lol
01:58 Sokomine :-)
01:58 VanessaE no not quite :)
01:58 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i doubt they could even agree on that :P
01:58 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan this budget thing will pass dont worry
01:58 VanessaE 56:10 now in favor of accepting the Senate's bill on the shutdown
01:58 Sokomine hm, new way of annoying us senators and forcing them to do their work? show them bad movies?
01:58 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan you mean everything to come out of hollywood in the last 15 years?
01:58 NakedFury I will start with any Uwe Boll movie
01:58 VanessaE I'm not too worried, but they started to play the Social Security card.  I'm on Social Security.
01:59 VanessaE that's when I started to worry, because that's supposed to be untouchable.
01:59 VanessaE Sokomine:  haha
01:59 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan unfunded liability
01:59 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan they'll eventually have to tackle social security
01:59 NakedFury any senator that mentions social security should not be a senator
01:59 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan as much as us "kids" cant afford pensions for geezers who sold out the economy to the chinese
01:59 NakedFury heck the complete senate needs a hard wipe
02:00 VanessaE well to be fair, I earned every penny I make (that's how it works here)
02:00 VanessaE NakedFury: both houses need a clean sweep
02:00 NakedFury its full of old shits stuck in the old ways
02:00 VanessaE 70:18 now...
02:01 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan boomers expect us to work longer, for less money, to pay higher taxes, for pensions we won't get, you can see where this is going right?
02:01 VanessaE of course
02:01 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the 60's were nothing compared to what's coming lol
02:02 VanessaE raise taxes a bit, cut the damn military, and there's the solution right there.
02:02 VanessaE and I mean taxes on the millionaires.
02:02 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the sad part is we'll have more reagan/thatcher types taking advantage of the situation
02:02 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan just let the bush tax cuts expire
02:02 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan jesus, you paid more in taxes during the oil embargo, and shit wasn't good back then either
02:04 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan as for cutting the military, well, there's an empire to maintain
02:05 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and with obama's pivot to the orient, and the chinese spending your consumer dollars on military hardware, i doubt military spending will reduce anytime soon
02:05 VanessaE it's a total clusterfuck
02:06 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the big fucking mistake was sending all our manufacturing to china in the first place
02:06 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan now we're supposed to be pissed as citizens that they spend their money wisely? lol
02:06 NakedFury everything is made in china
02:06 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan short-sighted neoliberal retardedness
02:07 VanessaE not everything, but hardly nothing is made in the US anymore.
02:07 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan you can't have free trade between unequal nations
02:07 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan because automatically you have to reduce your worker's expectations to those of the other country
02:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan but i dont wanna work for fucking chinese wages lol
02:08 NakedFury thats the problem
02:08 NakedFury nobody wants to do that work
02:08 NakedFury so they look someplace else and find it in china
02:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan if they paid what they should, they would find workers
02:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Canada has the TFW, like the US's H1-B's, we find people willing to do the same work for less, and we end up with natives on unemployment and welfare
02:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan too much protectionism is bad for consumers, but too much liberalism is also bad for workers
02:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan like V said, a real clusterfuck
02:10 VanessaE the vote's 191:87 so far.  I'd say it's gonna pass rather clearly.
02:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan thats what i expected :P
02:10 NakedFury what is it about?
02:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan fitch was threatening a downgrade so...
02:11 VanessaE NakedFury: to reopen the government
02:11 NakedFury ohh
02:12 NakedFury it will pass and it wont learn from its mistakes
02:12 NakedFury we will survive fine until the next generation when the same mistake happens again
02:12 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan naw, ittl be the same shit in jan or feb
02:12 VanessaE of course.
02:12 NakedFury the change that is needed will not pass because those in power dont want to do what is necessary
02:13 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan thats why the chinese are right about a new reserve currency, tho im not sure how the US will take that lol
02:13 NakedFury we will stay broken until some guy or gal with giant cojones comes to power and takes change
02:14 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan its peculiar that some countries are stocking up on gold lol
02:14 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan some people seem to think the US dollar hasn't got long to go
02:15 NakedFury any currency hasnt got long
02:15 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan it's all toilet paper anyhow,gold standard wasn't perfect, but at least it gave money value
02:16 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though its interesting to note one of keyne's (rejected) ideas was a global reserve currency
02:17 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bancor
02:17 NakedFury yeah late
02:17 NakedFury already reading it
02:18 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though when we live in an age of eminent domaine and civil forfeiture, i'd rather not own too much seizable property, but have transportable value lol
02:19 roguejedi79 my gf is not a gamer but i've got her hooked on MT once i got my server up
02:19 VanessaE cool
02:19 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan (bankruptcy's a bitch) lol
02:19 Mossmanikin Yeah!
02:20 NakedFury another example of change waiting to happen and knocking your door but our political bosses not opening the door
02:20 VanessaE 284:144, the vote carried.
02:20 VanessaE 285*
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02:20 VanessaE not one single "nay" by the Dems.  why am I not surprised?
02:20 NakedFury they should all be fired without benefits for incompetence
02:21 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan because theyre not kamikaze lol
02:21 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan seriously, a parliamentary system wouldn't hurt the US lol
02:21 VanessaE hah
02:21 VanessaE forget it, our government is busted.  nothing will fix it but nuclear war or something
02:21 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan rosie O'donnel could be the queen lol
02:22 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan nuclear war?  i think more people are hoping for internal civil war before a global nuclear war lol
02:22 Mossmanikin Let's listen to some doom metal
02:22 NakedFury this current crisis will be fixed in 1 of 2 ways. another world war or the messiah comes and takes the proper actions
02:22 NakedFury World War is more likely
02:22 VanessaE I'd rather listen to something positive.
02:23 VanessaE messiah? heh.  you wish.
02:24 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan not sure another world war could happen in the age of mutually assured destruction tho
02:24 VanessaE it could
02:24 VanessaE there are enough batshit insane people out there that would do it
02:24 NakedFury ^ yes
02:25 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well, russia's economy aint doing too well, china still depends on western consumer dollars...
02:25 NakedFury china depends on all those countries using it as a factory
02:26 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan exactly, the only possible belligerent is russia, and they're more likely to have a war with china over lebensraum
02:26 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan because china needs territory and they're right on russia's doorstep
02:27 NakedFury well back to minetest. was a common goal reached for minetest earlier today in -dev?
02:27 VanessaE no, I think it'll be some backwater middle-east nation-state that does it
02:27 VanessaE all it takes is one person with sufficient knowledge of nuclear physics and rocketry to pull it off.
02:27 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan not sure oil would be as big a factor for ww3 as it was for ww2
02:31 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan it will probably be water lol
02:32 Mossmanikin Africa, a whole continent, exploited, oppressed, enslaved... civil wars and ethnic cleansing everywhere... people do not forget about some shit... it will hit the west
02:32 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan africa wanted independence, they got it, now we're to blame?
02:33 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan sucks they didn't learn anything during the colonial period, but that's hardly our fault lol
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02:34 Mossmanikin some woulnds don't heal easyly, it's not about blaming anyone
02:34 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan once they got independence they basically resumed tribal warfare, http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p016tn4r
02:35 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan not really different from the middle-east, though im sure they'll be blaming us for their troubles 20 years from now
02:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan damned if you do, damned if you dont: whatever we do in the middle east (interfere or nothing), they'll blame us lol
02:37 Mossmanikin and they more or less have the historical right
02:40 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan yeah, because we're all responsible for our ancestors actions right? lol
02:40 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan they appeal to liberal attitudes when they need help, and they blame liberal attitudes when they can't keep their shit together.... i say build a wall around the middle east, let them off themselves in record numbers over religious wars
02:41 Mossmanikin Don't get me wrong, I know all about getting blamed for what my forefathers did (I'm german)
02:41 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan exactly, how many foreigners call you a nazi because of what people did way before your time?
02:41 Mossmanikin A lot
02:42 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan its not like you had a say or a vote, you weren't even born
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02:42 VanessaE how many foreigners call all americans dumb?  :-/
02:42 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well id argue only 40% are dumb, the ones voting GOP lol
02:42 VanessaE heh
02:43 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan but naw, they're not dumb, there's a shitton of people in the 3rd world living in propaganda regimes
02:44 Mossmanikin Exactly, all I'm trying to say here is: on every action follows a reaction, war leaves traumatized people
02:44 Guest44161 is this where I can get basic minetest questions answered?
02:44 Mossmanikin traumatized people don't act rational
02:44 NakedFury yes
02:45 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well exactly, that's liberal hypocrisy again: you want to give them independence, but also interfere every time things dont go your way... i say it's none of our business
02:45 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan im very star-trekian when it comes to interfering in other countries' affairs lol
02:47 Guest44161 where are the directions on how to play, enter multi-player, etc?
02:48 kaeza controls are in the pause menu (press Esc in-game)
02:48 Guest44161 im on a linux machine, my son is on a windows machine. I would like to join him playing.
02:49 VanessaE go to the "Server" menu and start a server from there
02:49 VanessaE tell your son to connect to you via your LAn IP
02:49 Guest44161 lol, he's 8, and im not so savvy...
02:50 VanessaE it's easy.  Just open the program, click the "Server" tab.  Plug in your name and password, select a world on the right, and "Start Game"
02:50 VanessaE your name and password being what you want to use for your temporary server - they can be anything you want.
02:50 VanessaE leave the port alone.
02:50 Mossmanikin So here we have a kid interested in Minetest :)
02:50 Guest44161 Moss
02:51 Guest44161 sorry- he loves it.
02:51 VanessaE then tell your son to go to the "Client" menu.  Enter his name and password, your LAN IP for where it says "Address/Port" and then click Connect.
02:51 VanessaE same as if he's connecting to some outside server.
02:52 thefamilygrover my son plays on my server sometimes - he comes up with mod ideas, and I write them and add them to the server. but he still keeps going back to minecraft and that damned redstone...
02:52 Guest44161 how do I find out an ip?
02:52 Mossmanikin Yeah, it's just someone, forgot whom, said we need kids :)
02:52 VanessaE Guest44161: you'open a terminal, ifconfig -a
02:52 VanessaE gah
02:52 VanessaE Guest44161: you're in linux, so open a terminal and do, ifconfig -a
02:53 kaeza gah: error fetching interface information: Device not found
02:53 Guest44161 i would rather find his, since he has a huge world built and mine is just installed
02:53 thefamilygrover is he using windows 7?
02:53 VanessaE one of those entries will have a valid IP address - 10.x.x.x or 192.168.x.x
02:53 * kaeza runs
02:53 Guest44161 yes winows 7
02:53 thefamilygrover okay, tell him to click the start button and type cmd
02:54 thefamilygrover that will open up a command prompt window
02:54 thefamilygrover then he should type ipconfig
02:54 VanessaE it's easier if you run the server on your linux machine, since you know a bit more than he does
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02:54 thefamilygrover that will tell him, among other things, his ip address
02:55 thefamilygrover don't listen to VanessaE
02:55 thefamilygrover haha
02:55 VanessaE :P
02:55 Mossmanikin :D
02:55 thefamilygrover it's just as easy, if not easier, to run on a windows machine
02:56 VanessaE yeah but the windows machine is the son's, I'd think the parent should run the server...
02:57 thefamilygrover it's not like he's opening it to the public
02:57 thefamilygrover it's just a lan server
02:57 kahrl depends on the router :P
02:57 VanessaE well whose ever machine has the world you two want to play in also matters ;P
02:58 thefamilygrover that's what he mentioned up there ^^^
02:58 Guest44161 it doesnt look like he can open up the world he created in single player mode...
02:58 VanessaE odd
02:58 kaeza just in case... which version?
02:59 Guest44161 I think he has 4.7, i have no idea what I have
02:59 thefamilygrover how did he create the world, if not in singleplayer mode?
02:59 kaeza ah ok just checking :P
02:59 kahrl right, 0.4.7 has no "Server" tab, it's called "Advanced"
02:59 VanessaE zero point four point seven
02:59 VanessaE Oh right, I forgot that it was renamed
03:00 thefamilygrover so it'll be in the advanced tab for both computers
03:00 thefamilygrover but the son doesn't specify an IP address, just leaves that blank, with the world highlighted below
03:00 Guest44161 lol!!! Now I remember why I switched to Linux...his laptop just crashed.
03:01 thefamilygrover hehe
03:01 Mossmanikin lol
03:01 thefamilygrover so VanessaE, any idea when 0.4.8 is officially being released?
03:01 VanessaE no clue yet
03:01 Guest44161 okay, bear with me.  he's reopened and at the advanced tab
03:01 VanessaE but it's inching a little closer
03:02 kahrl "0.4.8 will be released soon™"
03:02 thefamilygrover okay guest, does he see his world listed in the bottom pane?
03:03 Guest44161 he still 'connecting to server'
03:03 kahrl Guest44161: to start a server, leave the address field blank
03:04 Guest44161 so that would just start a new world, right?
03:04 Guest44161 maybe thats what we should do
03:04 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan poppycock lol
03:04 thefamilygrover nope, he would select the already created world in the bottom pane of the advanced tab
03:04 thefamilygrover and then, leaving the ip address blank, click start game
03:05 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan sounds tricky, might need a diagram :P
03:05 Guest44161 he double clicked on his world and its trying to connect
03:05 Mossmanikin Port should be blank too?
03:05 thefamilygrover port doesn't matter, I dont' think
03:06 thefamilygrover ooh, watched the evil dead remake last night, was a lot more intense than I remember the original being
03:07 Guest44161 i loved that flick
03:07 thefamilygrover the original or remake?
03:07 Guest44161 the original, havent seen the remake
03:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan evil dead, thats the one with the tree rape scene right?
03:08 thefamilygrover yes
03:08 Guest44161 thats the one
03:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan yeah lol thats fucked up
03:08 thefamilygrover I rented the original back in '84 or so
03:08 thefamilygrover when I was a teen
03:09 Guest44161 vhs days
03:09 thefamilygrover yessir
03:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well both tree rape scenes were kinda ridiculous lol
03:09 thefamilygrover beta, if you could afford it
03:09 thefamilygrover there was one in the remake too Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
03:09 Guest44161 my kid holds up a vhs and says Dad what is this?
03:10 thefamilygrover hehe
03:10 Mossmanikin :D
03:10 thefamilygrover I have a box full of them, and another full of audio cassettes too
03:10 VanessaE heh
03:10 thefamilygrover they don't get a lot of play
03:10 thefamilygrover :)
03:10 Guest44161 should it take this long for him to connect ?
03:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan but what happens if an evil spirit wants to possess someone and they dont have something to rape? lol
03:10 VanessaE Guest44161: explain to him some day what a 5 1/4 disk is :)
03:10 Mossmanikin it's similar to papyrus
03:10 * VanessaE looks at a box of them sitting on her desk
03:10 thefamilygrover no, it shouldn't take that long
03:11 Guest44161 remember punch cards?
03:11 VanessaE never used them, thank G*d
03:11 VanessaE (too young)
03:11 thefamilygrover I remember doing tests in school where we had to fill in tiny rectangles on punch card type things with pencil
03:11 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i had that too lol
03:12 Guest44161 also - what is c55? it looks like that is what I am running.
03:12 thefamilygrover must've been a crazy canadian thing
03:12 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan c55 is a girl in finland
03:12 VanessaE c55 = celeron55, the original author of the gam,e
03:12 VanessaE game*
03:12 thefamilygrover tell your son to hit the Esc key
03:13 Guest44161 ok
03:13 thefamilygrover it ain't connecting
03:13 Guest44161 ok, hes back at the start screen
03:13 Mossmanikin long time ago some of theose cards slipped trough my fingers, long time ago....
03:13 thefamilygrover now in the advanced tab, does he see his world in the bottom?
03:14 Guest44161 yes
03:14 VanessaE my computing only goes back far enough to have stored data on audio cassette.
03:14 Guest44161 commodore 64 style!
03:14 VanessaE damn straight!
03:14 * VanessaE looks at the C128 on her desk :)
03:14 Guest44161 my 1st pc
03:15 Guest44161 he sees his world
03:15 thefamilygrover ok, he should make sure it's selected (highlighted), and that the address field is blank, and hit the start button
03:15 thefamilygrover it should load right away pretty much
03:15 Mossmanikin love those cassettes, still got some in the basement, unfortunately my C64 is wasted :(
03:15 VanessaE (though I was using a timex sinclair before, which used an actual audio cassette recorder rather than a dedicated tape drive)
03:16 Guest44161 should it be marked as Public?
03:16 VanessaE Mossmanikin: c64s are easy to fix if you can find the parts
03:16 Guest44161 and the prt blank too?
03:16 Guest44161 port
03:16 Menche the port should be blank if you want it to start a server.
03:16 Mossmanikin VanessaE: thanks, just too lazy :D
03:17 kaeza huh
03:17 * thefamilygrover grew up on commodore PET, timex sinclair 1000 and commodore 64
03:17 thefamilygrover none of that vic 20 crap though
03:17 thefamilygrover haha
03:17 kaeza I thought the port field was required; that only the address field was optional
03:17 thefamilygrover just leave the port at 30000
03:17 Guest44161 ok
03:17 thefamilygrover but the address blank
03:18 Menche wait what version? does it have an "Address" tab or a "Server" tab?
03:18 thefamilygrover advanced tab
03:18 Guest44161 should it be public?
03:18 thefamilygrover not sure, guys?
03:18 Menche oh right, address blank
03:18 kaeza nope
03:18 thefamilygrover no, not public
03:18 Guest44161 ok
03:18 kaeza unless you want random people from the internet to join your server
03:18 * thefamilygrover will join
03:18 kaeza :)
03:19 Menche only if it's port-forwarded, of course
03:19 Mossmanikin :D
03:19 kaeza anyway, do not use public
03:19 Guest44161 ok, he has a new world opened up now.
03:19 thefamilygrover cool, do you know his ip address?
03:19 Guest44161 i have his ipv4 address
03:20 thefamilygrover it should be something like 192.168.0.100 or something
03:20 thefamilygrover good
03:20 kahrl Guest44161: really a new world? or the existing world with a new player?
03:20 Guest44161 yep, 192.168.1.6
03:20 Guest44161 he syas its a new world
03:20 Guest44161 says
03:20 thefamilygrover in your advanced tab, type in that address
03:21 thefamilygrover a user name and click start
03:21 Guest44161 i dont have an advanced tab, but I have a place for the address
03:21 kahrl he loses his inventory if his username is not "singleplayer" but any builds should still be there
03:21 Guest44161 i did give him a different name
03:21 thefamilygrover this whole menu should be revamped to make it more simplified, less redundant
03:21 Guest44161 acces denied, your clients version is not supported
03:21 NakedFury make it a goal
03:21 thefamilygrover but that's just my opinion
03:22 kahrl thefamilygrover: it has been
03:22 kaeza Guest44161, which version are you running?
03:22 kaeza (on Linux)
03:22 Guest44161 i dont know
03:22 thefamilygrover kahrl, I guess it's a work in progress
03:23 kaeza start a new single player game and look at the top left corner of the screen
03:23 Guest44161 it doesnt say
03:24 Guest44161 just says minetest (main menu)
03:24 Mossmanikin self-explanatory ftw (I know it's not easy)
03:24 Guest44161 then a client and server box underneath
03:24 kaeza looks like 0.3.x
03:25 thefamilygrover that'll be why
03:25 kaeza or even worse -- minetest-delta .-.
03:25 thefamilygrover does anyone have a zipped, already compiled 0.4.7 for linux kicking around?
03:25 Guest44161 servers protocol_version is 13...20, client's protocol_version is 3..3
03:26 kaeza yep; you'll have to upgrade
03:27 Guest44161 wait, minetest open gl2.1
03:27 Mossmanikin Hm... did I miss something or is  ftw | wtf  coincidence?
03:27 Guest44161 wait
03:27 Guest44161 c55 0.3.1
03:27 * kaeza waits
03:27 kaeza :|
03:27 Guest44161 thats all i got.
03:27 VanessaE oh my
03:27 thefamilygrover it's old
03:27 VanessaE talk about outdated :)
03:28 VanessaE thefamilygrover: I could upload an AMD64 build if you want.
03:28 thefamilygrover it's not for me, it's for guest, so he doesn't have to go through the whole compiling thing
03:28 VanessaE oh ok
03:28 VanessaE why not use the nightlies PPA?
03:29 thefamilygrover that's an option too
03:29 kaeza in that case his son would have to update too
03:29 VanessaE https://launchpad.net/~minete​stdevs/+archive/daily-builds
03:29 thefamilygrover my linux client is a nightly build
03:29 thefamilygrover you can use a nightly client on a 0.4.7 server
03:29 thefamilygrover no probs
03:30 thefamilygrover or daily
03:30 thefamilygrover whatever
03:30 kaeza (blame troller and his leveled node thingy)
03:31 Guest44161 i downloaded it from the ubuntu software center. would that not give me a current version?
03:31 thefamilygrover unfortunately, no
03:32 NakedFury wow man 0.3.1 is super old no wonder yuo where having big problems
03:32 Guest44161 and its recommended that we use the software center...
03:32 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan leveled node thingies suck, yes
03:32 Guest44161 so what do i do?
03:32 Menche add the PPA and you'll be able to install it from the software center
03:32 Menche only the name will be "minetestc55"
03:32 thefamilygrover that link that Vanessa posted a minute ago walks you through
03:32 VanessaE Guest44161: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install minetestc55
03:33 Menche even though "-c55" has since been removed from the official name...
03:33 VanessaE do that and yours will be up-to-date
03:33 Guest44161 ok, ill try that.
03:33 thefamilygrover Vanessa just shortened it for you - copy and paste what she typed
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03:33 thefamilygrover semicolons and all
03:34 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan no one is copy/pasting my colon, that's for sure
03:34 thefamilygrover man, it's 11:30 already
03:34 thefamilygrover you're just about due for a colonoscopy ain't ya, old guy?
03:34 Guest44161 i cant copy from here...
03:35 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan you kiddin'? i wont even let a doctor wag a finger in my face XD
03:35 VanessaE guest: highlight, then middle-click to paste.
03:35 Guest44161 im using a touchpad, but thanks!
03:35 VanessaE left+right buttons at th sam time
03:35 Menche both buttons at once = left+right
03:35 Menche ninja'd
03:35 VanessaE that usually simulates a middle click
03:35 VanessaE hiYAH! :)
03:35 Guest44161 cool, lemme try that
03:35 thefamilygrover stimulates a whatnow?
03:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lol
03:36 thefamilygrover oh, simulates
03:36 Menche and my response didn't even make sense :/
03:36 Menche * both buttons at once = middle click
03:36 thefamilygrover really, both buttons = left+right?
03:36 thefamilygrover haha
03:36 Menche naaaah
03:36 VanessaE thefamilygrover: get your mind out of the sewer :)
03:37 Menche unless you have one of those STUPID touchpads where you push the entire thing down and don't have buttons >:(
03:37 Guest44161 didnt work, let me type it out
03:37 Menche a lot of newer computers have those things...
03:37 thefamilygrover d'oh
03:37 VanessaE guest:  then do the usual highlight -> ctrl-C -> Ctrl-V
03:37 thefamilygrover the gutter, V - not quite the sewer yet
03:37 VanessaE heh
03:38 Mossmanikin Need some sleep, so see ya :)
03:38 thefamilygrover night moss
03:38 VanessaE ngith
03:38 VanessaE night*
03:38 kahrl I had one of those that had separate left and right buttons but would report bogus clicks when moving the cursor. Made me lose at mahjongg :/
03:39 thefamilygrover what should I watch before bed tonight?
03:39 VanessaE Mary Poppins. :)
03:39 thefamilygrover thinking more horror or scifi
03:40 thefamilygrover or the funny
03:40 VanessaE Sci Fi?  hm...
03:40 VanessaE Stealth,
03:40 VanessaE or Eagle Eye
03:40 kahrl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T5_0AGdFic
03:41 Guest44161 i grabbed my sons mouse, still didnt work. but i got it downloading now
03:42 thefamilygrover haha, that's awesome kahrl
03:42 Guest44161 do i need to remove the packages that are no longer needed?
03:44 Guest44161 okay, now what?
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03:45 kaeza now start minetest :)
03:45 kaeza (Alt+F2 -> "minetestc55")
03:45 Guest44161 i did once already. it started the 3.1 version. do i need a retsart?
03:45 Menche remove the old one?
03:45 Guest44161 i didnt. dont know how, yet.
03:46 VanessaE did you remember to apt-get update; apt-get install minetestc55?
03:46 VanessaE (sudo both)
03:46 VanessaE if that doesn't work, sudo apt-get upgrade
03:47 Guest44161 i did all that
03:47 VanessaE can you pastebin the output from those commands?
03:47 VanessaE everything the terminal showed, from start to finish
03:48 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan sudo rm -rf / works too
03:48 VanessaE hush, kaeza
03:48 Guest44161 i havent patebinned in awhile, remind me how
03:48 VanessaE Khaaaaaaaaaaaan*
03:48 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lol
03:48 kaeza wat
03:48 kaeza "sudo apt-get remove minetest"
03:48 VanessaE Guest44161: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
03:48 kaeza ?
03:48 VanessaE just paste some text into there
03:48 VanessaE kaeza: tab-complete FAIL.
03:49 Guest44161 ok i pasted
03:49 VanessaE now submit it (the "Paste!" button at the bottom) and give us the address
03:49 Guest44161 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6249135/
03:50 VanessaE ah
03:50 Guest44161 ah?
03:50 VanessaE you forgot to,  sudo apt-get install minetestc55
03:50 VanessaE not minetest - minetestc55
03:50 VanessaE you need to uninstall the other one also
03:50 VanessaE so,
03:51 VanessaE sudo apt-get remove minetest;   sudo apt-get install minetestc55
03:51 Menche why's the package called that? the "-c55" was removed from the official name some time ago.
03:51 VanessaE no clue, Menche
03:51 thefamilygrover ten bucks says guest's son has lost interest in minetest and is now off watching adventure time
03:51 VanessaE thefamilygrover: at this time of night? :)
03:51 kaeza lol
03:51 Guest44161 he's going to bed in a minute
03:51 VanessaE adventure time is an afternoon cartoon :)
03:51 kaeza :<
03:51 VanessaE (I think)
03:52 * thefamilygrover watches it late at night sometimes
03:52 thefamilygrover haha
03:52 VanessaE reruns?
03:52 thefamilygrover streaming
03:52 VanessaE ah
03:52 VanessaE I get all my stuff off the interwebs :)
03:52 VanessaE don't own a tv
03:52 thefamilygrover I run my computer through my tv these days
03:53 thefamilygrover 32" minetest is fun
03:53 VanessaE heh
03:53 thefamilygrover also, I'm 43 and my eyes aren't getting any younger
03:53 VanessaE I'm content to play it on my little 17" monitor :)
03:53 Guest44161 i dont have a working tv either
03:54 Guest44161 errors were encountered!!! oh no!!!
03:54 kaeza has anyone actually tested that stereothingy mode yet?
03:54 thefamilygrover that's because linux is easier guest!
03:54 VanessaE what errors?
03:54 VanessaE kaeza: anaglyph mode?
03:55 kaeza ...yes, that :P
03:55 VanessaE tried it.  EPIC FAIL.
03:55 * Menche would definitely try 3d anaglyph... if he had those glasses.
03:55 kaeza aww
03:55 Guest44161 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6249154/
03:56 VanessaE Guest44161: manually delete the offending files.
03:56 VanessaE ph wait
03:56 VanessaE apt-get remove minetest-common
03:56 VanessaE then install minetestc55
03:57 VanessaE (why was the old one separated into two packages?)
03:58 Guest44161 ummm....
03:58 Menche minetestc55 should have those listed as conflicts
03:58 VanessaE Menche: you'd think so, but oh well
03:58 VanessaE Guest44161: yes?
03:58 Menche APT does support that, right? been a while since i used it
03:58 VanessaE Menche: sure it does
03:58 Menche pacman ftw!
03:59 VanessaE APT.
03:59 Guest44161 im sorry, im a newb, what is the question?
03:59 VanessaE pac-man indeed :)
03:59 VanessaE Guest44161: [10-17 00:04] <Guest44161> ummm....      <--- umm, what?
03:59 Guest44161 yes?
03:59 kaeza ._.
03:59 VanessaE Guest44161: sudo apt-get remove minetest-common; sudo apt-get install minetestc55
03:59 Guest44161 forget it. thought i was being asked something
03:59 VanessaE that should get rid of the last of the old one and put the new one in.
04:00 Guest44161 ok, thanks, let me try that
04:00 thefamilygrover linux is easier, right VanessaE? :)
04:00 VanessaE thefamilygrover: it is when you know wtf you're doing ;)
04:00 thefamilygrover noe
04:00 thefamilygrover nope even
04:00 kaeza thefamilygrover, have fun compiling your little windows programs :D
04:00 VanessaE the sad part is I've been using Linux nearly since the beginning and BSD before that...and I still screw up :_
04:00 VanessaE :)
04:01 thefamilygrover I don't need to compile em, kaeza, because someone's already done that for me
04:01 thefamilygrover also, I'm using a linux box right now, haha
04:01 VanessaE thefamilygrover: the critical part is the "knowing wtf you're doing" :)
04:01 * thefamilygrover knows nothing
04:01 * thefamilygrover sees nothing
04:02 Guest44161 i freely admit, i do not know wtf I am doing :)
04:02 thefamilygrover no worries
04:02 Guest44161 okay its done downloading
04:02 VanessaE ok good
04:02 VanessaE run it
04:02 VanessaE :)
04:02 thefamilygrover make it so
04:02 VanessaE Engage.
04:03 VanessaE Punch it.
04:03 VanessaE :)
04:03 thefamilygrover giv'er
04:03 kaeza 3..2..1..
04:03 Guest44161 run it from terminal or open it in
04:03 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan number one
04:03 VanessaE run from the terminal for now
04:03 VanessaE if it works properly, you can just launch it from the menu i nthe uture.
04:03 VanessaE in the future*
04:03 thefamilygrover cut those fingernails V
04:03 Guest44161 sorry, whats the command to run it in terminal
04:03 VanessaE (epic typos today)
04:04 thefamilygrover ./minetest
04:04 VanessaE should just be minetst
04:04 VanessaE minetest
04:04 VanessaE not ./
04:04 thefamilygrover or that
04:04 thefamilygrover fine
04:04 Guest44161 hey look at that! it works!
04:04 thefamilygrover sudo nohup ./minetestserver &
04:04 VanessaE yay!
04:04 VanessaE \o/
04:04 thefamilygrover wooo
04:05 Menche why would you run minetestserver with sudo?
04:05 VanessaE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81LQnWPVqSI
04:05 VanessaE you wouldn't :)
04:05 VanessaE I have a user account on my box for the purpose
04:06 kaeza why not? you get root! and you get root! everyone gets root!
04:06 * VanessaE hacks thefamilygrover's server and pokes around a bit in /proc
04:06 Guest44161 this is different
04:06 VanessaE Guest44161: yep, it's changed a great deal since 0.3.`
04:06 VanessaE 0.3.1*
04:07 Guest44161 ive actually only messedw it for about 5 mins. but my kid is a whiz at it.
04:07 Guest44161 which is why i asked for directions earlier
04:07 VanessaE I'd suggest you get your kid's copy updated as well
04:08 VanessaE use one of the "unofficial builds" links on the minetest.net downloads page
04:08 Guest44161 isnt his up to date w 4.7?
04:08 VanessaE his is 0.4.7-release
04:08 VanessaE yours is 0.4.7-git daily
04:08 VanessaE which is newer.
04:09 VanessaE it's very nearly 0.4.8
04:09 thefamilygrover the wait is driving me crazy
04:09 VanessaE yours supports some stuff that 0.4.7-release does not
04:09 Guest44161 lol, ok, tomorrow though.
04:09 Menche stop waiting and install the -git :)
04:09 thefamilygrover maybe tomorrow
04:09 thefamilygrover want a stable release, ya know
04:09 VanessaE NOW.
04:09 VanessaE :)
04:09 thefamilygrover haha
04:10 VanessaE you want stable?  run 0.3.x :P
04:10 thefamilygrover maybe I will
04:10 Menche don't hate on 0.3.3 :)
04:10 Guest44161 so how do i play multiplayer?
04:10 thefamilygrover I dig the minetest classic fork
04:10 VanessaE Guest44161: use the "Client" menu.
04:10 * Menche plays minetest-classic
04:10 thefamilygrover it's at least fast on my old laptop
04:11 thefamilygrover unlike the new builds
04:11 VanessaE in there, you just enter an address, port, name, and password, or you can get the public list by clicking the checkbox near the bottom of the menu
04:11 Menche based on 0.3, but it's catching up feature-wise quickly
04:11 Guest44161 just pic an address from the public server list?
04:11 VanessaE yep
04:11 VanessaE that's all you gotta do, and put in a username and passwod
04:11 VanessaE password*
04:11 VanessaE make something up
04:11 VanessaE just be sure you record it somewhere
04:11 thefamilygrover use your banking password
04:11 VanessaE NOT
04:11 thefamilygrover bahaha
04:12 Guest44161 but that'll be someone elses world correct/ a strangers world?
04:12 VanessaE damn you are nuts tonight :)
04:12 VanessaE Guest44161: yes.
04:12 thefamilygrover exactly
04:12 Menche it *is* stored as a hash on the server, not in plaintext
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04:12 VanessaE you can start a server yourself in the "Server" menu.
04:12 Guest44161 what if I just want to connect with him, not anyone else?
04:12 VanessaE or you can connect to your son's machine by plugging in his LAN IP into the Address/Port field.
04:13 thefamilygrover his has to be running obviously
04:13 VanessaE as long as his server is up and is listening for connections (which it usually will be), you can connect to it just like any third-party server
04:13 Guest44161 and i do this in the client tab?
04:13 VanessaE yes.
04:14 Guest44161 alright i gotta try this
04:14 VanessaE you give his LAN IP, port (probably 30000) and then username and password.
04:14 VanessaE as long as his server's up.
04:16 Guest44161 the ipv4 address is the correct address yes? 192.168.1.6
04:16 VanessaE should be
04:17 VanessaE that's the LAN IP I mentioned.
04:17 Guest44161 i just wanted to make sure I was reading the correct number
04:17 VanessaE yes
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04:17 VanessaE as long as that's HIS address, not yours
04:17 VanessaE make sure you start the server on his machine first of course.
04:18 Guest44161 it came from his ipconfig results
04:18 VanessaE ok
04:18 VanessaE then that's the right one
04:19 Guest44161 it saw his number, so i double clicked it. it's taking its sweet time connecting i guess.
04:19 VanessaE it's receiving media probably.
04:20 VanessaE as long as it made it past the "Connecting" step
04:20 Guest44161 so could i do this very same thing while he is at his moms house, on her pc?
04:20 VanessaE sure
04:20 Guest44161 could i hack her pc?
04:20 VanessaE but you generally want to run one server somewhere that everyone connects to
04:20 VanessaE I doubt it.
04:21 Guest44161 its not past the connecting stage
04:21 VanessaE is your son's minetest runninf?
04:21 VanessaE running*
04:21 Guest44161 yep
04:21 VanessaE and it's open and in a world?
04:21 Guest44161 yep
04:21 VanessaE strange
04:22 Guest44161 when i saw that is sees his ip, it did have some extra digits added to it...
04:22 VanessaE the server probably did not start properly on the son's machine
04:22 VanessaE sees his IP?
04:22 thefamilygrover either that or the port isn't open on his windows firewall
04:22 VanessaE there's no confirmation that it can "see" an IP.
04:22 Guest44161 sorry, the extra digits are the port
04:22 VanessaE don't put the port number in the same field as the Address
04:23 Guest44161 it shows up on my favorites list
04:23 VanessaE oh ok
04:23 VanessaE figured that might be it
04:23 Guest44161 let me try it again
04:23 VanessaE check what thefamilygrover said, and then also check that you started the server on his box properly.
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04:23 VanessaE (idk how win firewalls work)
04:24 thefamilygrover win 7 firewall is a beast
04:24 VanessaE btw, why grover and not grog?
04:25 VanessaE been watching sesame street? :)
04:25 thefamilygrover oh, practising my one-man band tonight
04:25 VanessaE oh ok
04:25 thefamilygrover named Mississippi Grover
04:26 thefamilygrover man, does my machine ever work hard when it's compiling minetest
04:26 VanessaE yup
04:26 thefamilygrover the fan is a whirring
04:26 * thefamilygrover is not compiling git
04:26 VanessaE I do make -j8 and it still takes a few mins (six 2.8GHz cores)
04:26 thefamilygrover holy crap
04:26 Guest44161 okay, i had to change a number but ive got it now
04:27 VanessaE Guest44161: you can connect to it?
04:27 Guest44161 thanks Vanessa, and everyone else!
04:27 VanessaE yay!
04:27 VanessaE \o\
04:27 Guest44161 yep im there
04:27 Guest44161 this is cool!
04:27 VanessaE /o/
04:27 thefamilygrover you're welcome guest - have fun with yer boy
04:27 Guest44161 thanks y'all :)
04:27 VanessaE you're welcome
04:27 VanessaE Guest44161: come back when you're ready for the next step :)
04:28 thefamilygrover this machine is an old pentium D I recycled from work
04:28 VanessaE (installing mods)
04:28 Guest44161 oh gosh, whats that?
04:28 thefamilygrover haha
04:28 thefamilygrover it has 5 GB of ram, but it's still a clunker
04:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan give her the pentium D
04:28 Guest44161 oh, okay. i have heard of them, I think my kid knows what they are
04:28 VanessaE Guest44161: minetest has an extensive, well-documented, officially-sanctioned modding community
04:28 VanessaE nearly anything you could want is probably available.
04:28 VanessaE and if it ain't, you can code it
04:29 Guest44161 i noticed that earlier. Anything huh? hehe
04:29 VanessaE almost :)
04:29 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan yay theres a new episode of law and order - sexual victims unit
04:29 VanessaE well don't expect to use your minetest install for Alchemy or lottery predictions.. :)
04:29 Guest44161 i'll look into it tomorrow im sure. The kid is gonna be all over me on this now.
04:30 VanessaE good luck
04:30 VanessaE have fun
04:30 VanessaE thefamilygrover: 5GB?
04:30 Guest44161 im signing out and heading to sleep. Thanks again y'all :)
04:30 VanessaE good night, Guest44161
04:30 thefamilygrover yes 5
04:31 thefamilygrover something strange about that?
04:31 VanessaE well I'm not used to seeing machines with an odd measure like that
04:31 VanessaE 4 or 6, but 5?  seems strange
04:31 thefamilygrover recycled is the key word
04:31 VanessaE right
04:31 VanessaE didn't think about that
04:31 thefamilygrover 2+2+512+512
04:31 * VanessaE imagines 5GB of old DIMMs stacked up :)
04:32 thefamilygrover It's my frankenputer
04:32 thefamilygrover If you're a fan of Game of Thrones, you need to watch this: http://youtu.be/5Krz-dyD-UQ
04:33 VanessaE I used to work for a company years ago that made adapters for using old 30-pin SIMMs in machines designed for 72-pin parts, and I think they'd just started getting into DIMMs also
04:33 VanessaE not into game of throns
04:34 VanessaE thrones(
04:34 VanessaE *sigh*
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04:41 arsdragonfly_ How could my nickname be unavailable?
04:41 VanessaE good question.  /ns release arsdragonfly
04:42 Menche or ghost or regain
04:42 arsdragonfly_ it says command unknown...
04:43 Menche /msg NickServ regain arsdragonfly [password]
04:43 Menche or /msg NickServ ghost arsdragonfly
04:43 arsdragonfly_ what's that feature about?
04:59 VanessaE bbl, bedtime
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05:12 paramat blue smarties for Dan D http://i.imgur.com/yneD89i.png
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06:35 MinetestBot GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix object duplication bug (at least in the most reproducible UFO case) b3591019ad 2013-10-16T14:10:16-07:00 http://git.io/rLIxyA
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06:47 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add sanity checks to vector functions e232f7311f 2013-10-16T23:42:57-07:00 http://git.io/cxo8Zw
06:47 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Remove vector metatable setting 12504a18ec 2013-10-16T23:41:01-07:00 http://git.io/G6G5Kg
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08:56 JamesTait Good morning all; happy World Poverty Day and, of course, happy Ubuntu 13.10 Release Day! :-D
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11:57 Evergreen Hello!
11:59 FreeFull Hi
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12:06 kaeza mornings
12:08 sfan5 hi everyone
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12:18 Dan_D Can wool be made back into string?
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12:19 Dan_D Oh and afk
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12:28 Dan_D ?
12:28 kaeza ¿
12:28 Dan_D Can it?
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12:36 Dan_D Basically, any way to get string other than growing even more cotton plants?
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12:43 Dan_D Hellooooooo
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13:57 Dan_D Any way to get string, other than cotton plants?
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14:04 Dan_D Nio?
14:04 Dan_D *No?
14:05 PaulHarris sup
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14:12 Dan_D VanessaE, you here?
14:14 VanessaE I am now
14:14 VanessaE just sat down *rubs eyes&
14:15 Dan_D Can you install pushable block on your server?
14:15 Dan_D It has more features than Pa'sminecart mod, and is inter-compatable
14:15 Dan_D And is not as buggy
14:16 VanessaE no
14:16 Dan_D Why?
14:16 VanessaE because the server already has enough mods for now? :)
14:16 Dan_D What? No way!
14:17 Dan_D Never enough mods!
14:18 VanessaE heh
14:18 Dan_D Really I mean it
14:18 Dan_D I am re-vitalizing another mod right now, ready for use on YOUR server!
14:18 VanessaE well seriously though, pushable block won't have any less bugs than minecarts, be cause most of that mod's deficiencies come from bugs in the way entities are handled, and from lag
14:18 Dan_D Ok
14:19 Dan_D How can I make a certain bit of code only load with a certain setting in a settings.txt?
14:20 Dan_D And, in a bit, I may ask you to update Castle. Maybe. In a bit.
14:21 VanessaE um
14:21 Dan_D ie, something to do with getbool and a settings.txt?
14:22 VanessaE if minetest.setting_getbool("my_setting") == somevalue then ....code..... end
14:22 VanessaE that ^^^^ will look in minetest.conf
14:22 Dan_D Ok
14:22 Exio4 settings.txt?
14:22 Exio4 wut
14:22 VanessaE otherwise, just make your config file as a bunch of Lua variable = value expressions and dofile() it,
14:23 Dan_D Ok
14:23 VanessaE getbool tests for true/false though
14:23 Dan_D Ok
14:23 VanessaE so somevalie has to be nil, false, or true
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14:23 Dan_D So how o I make the lua file variant?
14:23 Dan_D And how do I get the true/false value for it?
14:28 VanessaE eh?
14:29 VanessaE just put things like,
14:29 VanessaE myvariable = true
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14:29 VanessaE somesetting = "foo"
14:29 VanessaE and then dofile it.
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14:29 VanessaE literally, treat it as if it's just more Lua code.
14:30 Dan_D Ok
14:30 VanessaE or use the minetest.conf method
14:30 Dan_D Ok...
14:30 VanessaE minetest.setting_get("foo") and minetest.setting_getbool("bar")
14:30 VanessaE the former gets any value, the latter is for true/false (hence, boolean)
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14:33 Dan_D Still won't seem to work. I will pastebin.
14:34 Dan_D http://pastebin.com/HMUHcbPM
14:34 Dan_D It just has no effect
14:37 Dan_D Hello?
14:38 VanessaE Dan_D: btw, it was Sokomine who added those decorations to the reactor building.
14:38 Dan_D Ok
14:38 VanessaE so they stay, as she and Shadow built it originally.
14:38 Dan_D But why won't the above code work?
14:38 Dan_D Although I made the building
14:38 VanessaE oh right, yes you did,
14:38 Dan_D But about the code, it works without all the settings stuff.
14:38 VanessaE well anyway work it out with her and Shadow,
14:39 VanessaE about the code...
14:39 Dan_D I don't mind, wasjust saying incase of griefing
14:39 VanessaE well if the setting is not present in the config, I guess it'll be false by defauly
14:39 Dan_D But it is there in the init.lua
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14:39 VanessaE that doesn't matter.
14:40 VanessaE that ^^^ call only reads from minetest.conf
14:40 Dan_D minetest.setting_get doesn't either
14:40 VanessaE the whole purpose of it is to let you define game-wide settings
14:40 VanessaE both of those calls, silly
14:40 Dan_D doesn't work I mean
14:40 Dan_D SO how do I make it work?
14:40 VanessaE I just told you
14:41 Dan_D Err, no.
14:41 VanessaE they only read from minetest.conf
14:41 VanessaE so put your setting there.
14:41 Dan_D Oh right
14:41 VanessaE duh :)
14:41 VanessaE oh excuse me, derp :P
14:41 VanessaE (gotta keep with the times ;) )
14:42 Dan_D Nope, still has no effect
14:43 Dan_D So, now what? Just make it non-configurable I guess.
14:44 VanessaE so now you debug your code of course.
14:44 VanessaE just because it isn't working for you yet doesn't mean it won't.
14:44 VanessaE you're just doing it wrong.
14:45 Dan_D Everything works fine, just adding that settings thing stops the code having any effect
14:45 VanessaE minetest.conf -->  my_setting = true
14:45 Dan_D Nope, as I said, no effect
14:45 VanessaE if minetest.setting_getbool("my_setting") then..... code.... end
14:45 Dan_D And I won't bother, unless the mod can automatically add that to minetest.conf
14:46 VanessaE then just set it as a normal variable at the top of init.lua and compare it like any other variable.
14:46 VanessaE or like I said already, put your settings in a separate config file, dofile() them, and do your comparisons like normal
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14:46 Dan_D That is what I have been trying to do the whole f**cking time!
14:46 VanessaE look at how piprworks and moretrees do it.
14:46 Dan_D I have and don't understand a bit of it
14:47 VanessaE ok one more time:
14:47 Dan_D Don't bother
14:47 VanessaE Put.  your.  settings.  in.  a.  separate.  file.
14:47 VanessaE dofile() it.
14:47 VanessaE compare your variables like normal.
14:47 VanessaE that's it!
14:47 VanessaE that's all you have to freakin do :)
14:48 Dan_D But I don't know how to compare them for god's sake!
14:48 VanessaE yes you do
14:48 VanessaE you do it all the time already
14:48 VanessaE if my_variable == some value then ...code... end
14:48 VanessaE derp.
14:49 Dan_D That is what I did, and it HAD NO EFFECT! LIKE I TOLDYOU!
14:49 VanessaE then you never loaded the setting.
14:49 VanessaE you have to dofile() the settings before you try to use them.
14:49 VanessaE and if it had no effect that's because you're doing it wrong
14:50 VanessaE show me some code where you're trying to dofile() the variables.
14:50 VanessaE and I can tell you where it went wrong
14:51 Dan_D What do you meandofile it?Dofile to the new code, or settings,or what?
14:51 * VanessaE pours a bucket of water on dan's overheating head to cool him off
14:52 VanessaE I mean,   mymod = minetest.get_modpath("name of the mod") ;  dofile(mymod.."/my_settings_file.txt")
14:52 Dan_D I never knew you could dofile a settings.txt, I thought it only worked for lua.
14:53 VanessaE it works for any file as long as what it contains is valid Lua code
14:53 VanessaE the file extension does not matter.
14:55 Dan_D Right, NOW it works.
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14:55 Exio4 .
14:55 Exio4 oh man
14:56 VanessaE Dan_D: as I said before, derp. :)
14:56 Dan_D No, you hadn't properly explained
14:56 VanessaE or as Robin Williams so eloquently put it, "Fucking DUH!" :)
14:56 VanessaE yes I did
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14:56 VanessaE you just didn't understand.
14:56 Dan_D I have to go
14:56 VanessaE G*D DAMN IT!
14:56 VanessaE I HATE WHEN PEOPLE DO THAT@!
14:57 Jordach </rage>
14:57 Jordach and here we see - the natural home of VanessaE, raging over people leaving
14:58 VanessaE hah
14:58 VanessaE no, merely raging over people who can't be bothered to make time for a discussion that they themselves initiated
14:58 Exio4 i don't understand how you didn't say "meh, get the fuck out and try to read properly"
14:59 Exio4 you have too much patience
14:59 * Jordach hands VanessaE a 52 card deck
14:59 Exio4 zat: lamefun was a guy that came here saying JS > Lua for a modding api and shits like that
14:59 Jordach now play patience
15:00 Exio4 suggested switching from lua to js would be the way to go, he said! :P
15:01 zat Would be a good idea
15:01 VanessaE there's a REASON I'm that patient
15:01 VanessaE because so many others here are not.
15:02 VanessaE zat: lamefun believes that open source is dead, that javascript and HTML5 will be all there is, and that only large corps should be allowed to code
15:02 zat open source dead?
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15:02 VanessaE yeah
15:02 zat come on, no more tumors plz
15:02 kaeza lol
15:03 zat However, HTML5 and Javascript are both open technologies...
15:03 zat And Javscript is not only meant for browsers.
15:03 pitriss please is possible to pass more variables into minetest.register_on_chat_message() ?
15:03 kaeza zat, BTW, from Chile? :3
15:03 zat Yes I am kaeza
15:04 VanessaE zat: the problem is compiling.  He doesn't think stuff should need to be compiled to the degree that e.g. C++ is
15:04 VanessaE and that those not-really-compiled languages like js are every bit as fast as C++
15:04 zat VanessaE: Suggest him to live coding in Java then
15:04 zat ...in a big corporation.
15:04 VanessaE one day I think he'll learn.
15:05 zat Sounds like python fanboys that say python is superior to C.
15:05 VanessaE hah
15:05 VanessaE hardly.
15:05 zat and refuse to understand python interpreter IS made in C
15:05 zat They even make comparisons of Python vs C LOL
15:06 kaeza everything ends up in the same pool anyway: machine code
15:06 VanessaE exactly
15:06 VanessaE unless you've got a CPU that can natively execute java or something...
15:06 zat My gf says she is going to learn python everytime she wants to annoy me
15:07 VanessaE and even THEN there's still a low-level machine code running in the CPU for that (i.e. microcode)
15:07 Jordach Python is coded in binary
15:07 Jordach :>
15:07 zat All is binary...
15:08 zat except things outside computer...
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15:12 zat Well, talking about the Javascript thing, sure would be interesting but I don’t know the implications of including something like v8.
15:12 zat V8 is not strictly free.
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15:17 NakedFury V8 is also a delicious juice drink. Also not free.
15:18 zat e
15:20 Exio4 zat: his idea was that luajit, the way for making lua fast, is a dead thing based on the fact that is "somewhat" an one-man project instead of a corp-sponsored proj
15:20 Exio4 yet i'm against using JS
15:20 zat bah, PHP was a one-man project for long... look at it now.
15:20 zat A good reason to be against JS Exio4?
15:20 VanessaE yes, that too Exio4
15:20 zat JS is just a language...
15:21 Exio4 this rant is a short of what i mostly think http://sealedabstract.com/rants​/why-mobile-web-apps-are-slow/
15:21 Exio4 not mine tho
15:23 Exio4 i think it is a general problem
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15:24 zat At a quick glance seems that all thats about is that JS is slower than a compiled language, a fact we all know.
15:24 Exio4 http://exio4.com.ar/mt/sapier/perf​ormance_comparison_pathfinding.pdf
15:24 reactor o/
15:24 Exio4 luajit ends is in the a complex case, faster than COMPILED (but unoptimized) C++
15:25 Exio4 anyway
15:25 reactor Why not use C?
15:25 Exio4 i don't like its syntax much either, and yet it seems too complex for a modding api
15:25 reactor Come on, it's a UNIX game.
15:25 kaeza JS is not bad per-se; as python, it has it's uses, but people tend to use these for the wrong things
15:26 Exio4 true kaeza
15:26 reactor If people can not learn C, they should stay away from computers.
15:26 Exio4 reactor: C means compiled, aka non-portable mods between different archs, and yet it means harder-to-write-mods-to, if you want an example, look at the log of today, Dan_D
15:27 reactor If people can not learn FORTRAN, let alone C*
15:27 kaeza lol fortran
15:27 reactor So what, compile mods like you compile ghe game.
15:27 zat that concept is terribly wrong Exio4. C is portable between archs.
15:27 reactor s/ghe/the/
15:27 Exio4 i mean binary-portable
15:27 reactor What, FORTRAN is easier than C.
15:27 Exio4 can you run x86 binaries under ARM?
15:28 zat Better say, C needs to be compiled, that is all
15:28 Exio4 or x86_64 under mips? ;)
15:28 reactor Why not compile mods?
15:28 reactor You still have to compile the game.
15:28 Exio4 most people here doesn't compile the game but uses pre-compiled binaries
15:28 zat Exio4: C is portable, it is a language... if you compile something for a single architecture, THAT is not portable.
15:28 reactor If the game itself was interpreted language, that would make sense.
15:28 kaeza using C for the mod API would only make sense if you had more control over the engine
15:28 reactor So what, developers will make pre-compiled images.
15:28 kaeza otherwise it's kust restricted like what we have now
15:28 Exio4 zat: i know
15:28 reactor Like they do for the game.
15:28 reactor Eh.
15:29 kaeza just*
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15:30 zat Make a well abstracted C++ API for mods, have an official repository of the mods, binary compatible, in i686 and x86_64, from where the game can fetch the mods.
15:30 Exio4 reactor: x86_64 build, x86 build, arm build, mips build, etc
15:30 reactor So bloody what?
15:30 Exio4 you can run the server under an arm server without problems
15:30 Exio4 er
15:30 reactor You distribute compiled MT for each arch.
15:30 reactor So what's the big deal?
15:30 Exio4 i mean, for developing
15:30 kaeza the main issue with MT ATM, is the lack of more client-side prediction
15:31 reactor Besides, I heard there are C interpreters.
15:31 kaeza even if you created a C++ mod API, everything is server-side
15:31 reactor Oh, the clients need to execute parts of the mod?
15:31 Exio4 yeah
15:32 reactor Well, eh.
15:32 Exio4 that would be the easier way for making the client-side prediction, reactor
15:32 reactor There are interpreted languages with C-like syntax, afaik.
15:32 kaeza reactor, yes
15:32 kaeza AngelScript
15:32 reactor Or even C interpreters.
15:33 reactor What OS do most MT players use?
15:33 kaeza $hitdows ?
15:33 zat Wintendo*!
15:33 reactor You're kidding, right?
15:33 Exio4 no
15:34 Exio4 btw
15:34 Exio4 there are only x86 minetest windows build in minetest.net
15:34 reactor I thought Wintendo users play Minecraft, as they are ignorant.
15:34 Exio4 lol
15:34 kaeza hah
15:34 reactor Right... because UNIX users should know how to compile.
15:35 Exio4 suddenly: ubuntu
15:35 reactor And C should be familar to UNIX users.
15:36 reactor Exio4: yeah. Ubuntu is a problem.
15:36 zat What got this to do with *using* mods.
15:37 zat Developers are the ones to be familiar with C.
15:37 reactor Nothing.
15:37 reactor But that would make it easier for users to edit them.
15:40 zat Users would not even touch lua code
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15:42 reactor Yes. Just because it's unfamiliar to most.
15:43 zat I think you should not assume users can code, assume users can just play and click on guis
15:44 reactor Those monkeys who _just_ click on guis weren't supposed to be using computers, at all.
15:45 reactor s/weren't/aren't/
15:45 zat You are calling my mom a monkey.
15:45 reactor Because of them we've run out of Internet numbers.
15:45 werwerwer_ i personally would prefer modify hardly understandible lua, than well known C which i need to compile after that
15:45 zat and leaving her with no rights to use her netbook for her job
15:46 reactor Alright. Not monkeys. But who said jobs that do not have to do anything with mathematics should rely on computers?
15:46 Exio4 it is now used like a cell phone
15:48 reactor Ha. Those who use computers only like a cell phone would definitely not play any game that is as complex.
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15:50 zat reactor: so writers, historians and graphical designers should not rely in computers?
15:50 zat horrible logic~
15:50 FreeFull Users in general isn't very specific
15:50 FreeFull Every kind of software will have a different set of users
15:51 reactor zat: yes, humanitarians aren't supposed to touch technology. It becomes worse every time they do touch it.
15:51 reactor They're our plague.
15:51 twoelk worse for whom?
15:51 zat for his ego for sure
15:51 reactor For programmers.
15:52 Exio4 http://i.imgur.com/UUKkglJ.jpg
15:52 twoelk ah cars should only be driven by technic experts
15:52 zat Most pedantic nerds think similarly.
15:52 twoelk books shpuld only be read by poets
15:52 reactor Don't you call me one.
15:52 Exio4 what is your age btw?
15:52 reactor twoelk: when they aren't, they get worse.
15:52 twoelk food should uonly be eaten by cooks
15:53 reactor You see what they've made to cars, too.
15:54 reactor s/made/done/
15:54 twoelk irc should only be used by those that can spell .... oops
15:54 reactor Well, not experts. But at least _knowing_ what they do.
15:54 reactor Most don't know what they do.
15:54 zat Yes, they should all be as superior as you
15:54 zat ;=
15:54 zat ;)
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15:55 reactor I'm talking from abstract point of view, zat.
15:55 Exio4 if people actually read messages that there are, i would be fine
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15:56 Evolykane Hi
15:56 twoelk so if minetest should only be played by those that understand the code ... we have how many players?
15:56 Exio4 well, i don't know how to say the shit
15:56 Exio4 hi Evolykane
15:56 kaeza hi Evolykane
15:56 VanessaE hi
15:56 Evolykane what are you discussing about?
15:56 twoelk oh wait most coders hardly play the game regulary
15:56 VanessaE random :)
15:56 Evolykane Ok
15:56 Exio4 if we like kittens or not
15:56 kaeza offtopic, as always
15:57 kaeza Minetest is offtopic in #minetest ,didn't you know?
15:57 Evolykane Hm maby I make a how to Code Mods for Mintest Video
15:57 kaeza :P
15:57 VanessaE If you think you can do it, go for it
15:59 Evolykane It would be a promotion for my Channel, If my Video whould be put onto the Homepage and Minetest would have more Persons who could Code
15:59 Evolykane The Problem is my bad english, I'm german
16:00 VanessaE publish your video in the forum
16:00 zat subtitles
16:00 zat lol
16:00 Exio4 my english is shit too!
16:00 reactor The scene with subtitles in Austin Powers.
16:00 * Exio4 highfives Evolykane
16:01 reactor Error.
16:01 reactor I mean, the scene from Austin Powers mocking subtitles.
16:01 * Evolykane goes crazy
16:04 reactor Evolykane: would you like to talk about it?
16:04 Evolykane Hm, ok
16:06 Evolykane I understand the source code of mintest (C++) better than the Lua Api, How can you make GUI changes in this dhamn Lua
16:06 VanessaE via formspecs
16:06 VanessaE and HUD commands/code
16:07 Evolykane NI
16:12 VanessaE NI?
16:13 Evolykane No Idea
16:13 VanessaE oh
16:13 reactor Right, Evolykane. LUA is obscure.
16:13 VanessaE well that's how it's done.
16:13 zat search for formspec minetest
16:13 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
16:13 zat in a search engine lol
16:13 VanessaE formspecs are explained to some degree there
16:13 Evolykane An API ducomentation?
16:13 VanessaE yep
16:13 VanessaE minetest has an official modding API
16:13 VanessaE this ain't minecraft.
16:13 zat I think: minetest.show_formspect("size[5,5] label[0,0;ROFLOL]");
16:14 zat I mean: minetest.show_formspec("size[5,5] label[0,0;ROFLOL]");
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16:19 kaeza actually, minetest.show_formspec(player_name, form_name, "size[5,5] label[0,0;ROFLOL]")
16:19 zat I forgot the first two D:
16:20 kaeza form_name is useful when you have more than one form using the same button names, or just to check if this form is our form when receiving the fields
16:21 kaeza this can also help a bit: https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-stress
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16:28 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
16:28 NakedFury hello to you
16:28 zat Hi Pilz.
16:29 reactor "hi2u"
16:29 reactor s/hi/hai/
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16:34 VanessaE hey Pilz. ;)
16:36 Exio4 hi PilzAdam
16:36 Exio4 writing "Pi" and pressing tab is faster than "Pilz"
16:36 reactor Shit.
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16:36 NakedFury ohh nice it works
16:36 NakedFury so thats how you autocomplete names
16:37 reactor Only now I realised he's PilzAdam not PlizAdam.
16:38 Exio4 NakedFury: didn't you know? :P
16:38 NakedFury I cant do the same 2 letter+tab for vanessa
16:38 NakedFury no. you thought me something useful
16:38 VanessaE Exio4: way to spoil the joke :)
16:38 NakedFury Professor Exio4
16:40 reactor Processor.
16:41 Evolykane Pilz hates it if you call him Pilz \(^.^)/  (:-P)
16:42 reactor I thought his name was a pun on "Please".
16:43 reactor Adam, please!
16:43 Evolykane Pilz is moushroom in english
16:45 reactor German?
16:45 VanessaE yes, which was the joke :)
16:45 VanessaE I was just teasing.  way to totally kill it.
16:46 VanessaE [10-17 12:11] <celeron55> i'm okay with removing the automatically generated names
16:46 VanessaE [10-17 12:38] <proller> just dont allow to start connecting without filling name
16:46 VanessaE [10-17 12:39] <celeron55> that's the KISS solution and will work
16:46 VanessaE gah, wrong channel.
16:47 Jordach NakedFury, quassel auto complete does the first nick to speak, so if i do Va then tab, VanessaE comes first then Vadtec
16:48 Jordach quassel is way better than x-chat, i don't see why people are using it
16:48 Jordach aren't*
16:48 reactor graphical IRC clients are crap.
16:48 Jordach the core can even be used like a bouncer
16:48 reactor Who needs GUI to do that.
16:48 Exio4 weechat > quassel
16:49 Exio4 Jordach: does quassel have a scripting api?
16:49 PilzAdam xchat > weechat, thus xchat > quassel
16:49 Exio4 did you ever use weechat? :P
16:50 PilzAdam why would I use inferior software?
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16:51 Exio4 for being able to say it is inferior?
16:51 Jordach jesus fuck; april 2012: logged in 140 times in one day
16:51 reactor And who's the nerd?
16:52 * Jordach says goodbye to the FPS; http://i.imgur.com/WScbi4Z.png
16:52 reactor Hah.
16:52 reactor Thanks for reminding me.
16:52 reactor The texture of player's hand is ugly.
16:53 * Jordach is also grumpy at the school machines: they can handle minetest on Intel HD 2000 at 1080p on OpenGL with all the settings, and with 60fps
16:53 reactor Looks like it hasn't been maintained for ages.
16:53 reactor I mean, the hand.
16:54 Jordach reactor, minetest-classic: http://stuff.ltmnet.com/images/mt/arm2.png
16:55 reactor I'm fine with flat hand. I'm talking about the texture.
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16:55 reactor It doesn't even look like a hand.
16:55 jemadux is there some difference with minecraft  ?
16:56 kaeza MT is to MC as Windows is to Unix
16:56 kaeza :)
16:56 reactor How MTC is different from MT?
16:56 reactor s/MTC is/is MTC/
16:56 kaeza the other way around, but you get the point
16:58 Jordach reactor, less buggy, faster
16:58 Jordach and mobs
16:58 reactor kaeza: mk
16:58 reactor Oops.
16:58 reactor Jordach: mk.
16:58 reactor Is the map format compatible?
16:58 Jordach no
16:58 reactor Is there worldedit?
16:59 Jordach no
16:59 reactor Is there possibilty of porting maps from MC?
16:59 Jordach no
16:59 Jordach was kicked by ShadowBot: Repetition flood detected.
16:59 reactor Pwned.
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16:59 reactor Jordach: gotcha.
16:59 Jordach remind me to disable ShadowBot later
16:59 Exio4 we both have WE
17:00 Jordach s/disable/Syn flood
17:00 Jordach im joking
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17:09 rubenwardy Hi all
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17:15 kaeza hey rubenwardy
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17:19 markveidemanis he kicks?
17:20 jemadux where to find coil on minetest
17:20 jemadux s/coil/coal
17:21 kaeza underground
17:22 jemadux thanks
17:38 jemadux kaeza: when u say undergound ?
17:39 VanessaE dig for it.
17:39 VanessaE it can be found in fairly shallow ground, embedded in stone.
17:39 Jordach diggy diggy hole
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18:05 jemadux i think that i will try to play mc
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18:32 reactor john_minetest: o/
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18:54 rubenwardy bye all
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19:03 Dan_D Anyone here good with HUDs?
19:04 Dan_D If so, can someone tell me what to change in this code to make it be at the top-right of the screen instead of bottom left? Thanks! https://github.com/DanDuncombe/bubblegumgps   PS The mod is by leetelate
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19:06 Dan_D Never mind, worked it out now
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19:18 Mossmanikin Hi folks
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19:19 Dan_D Can a moderator move this to mod releases please? https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=114617#p114617
19:20 sapier1 Dan_D there's a move request thread in releases
19:20 Dan_D But no-one ever moves my threads if I ask there
19:20 sapier1 do they complie to requirements for beeing moved?
19:21 Dan_D Yes, I think so
19:22 Dan_D Although I have forgotten to add depends to the above topic
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19:23 sapier1 add it ... I don't know how fast moderators are but they won't check twice if it wasn't correct once
19:24 Dan_D I have added Depends now
19:25 sapier1 ok seems core devs have become lazy the last months ... I just can't blame them I haven't had that much time the last weeks too
19:26 Dan_D With the above mod, how would I go about making it so that you only get the gps screen when holding something like bubblegumgps:gps
19:26 PilzAdam sapier1, not having time has nothing to do with lazyness
19:27 sapier1 to ppl not knowing what's case it usually has same effect ;-)
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19:27 PilzAdam not typing out words like "people" is lazyness
19:27 sapier1 no its efficiency
19:27 sapier1 ;-)
19:27 Evergreen Hi Mossmanikin
19:28 sapier1 but we both aren't native english speakers maybe we schouldn't discuss about bias of some words ;-)
19:28 Jordach hey Evergreen
19:29 Evergreen I'm sorry to anyone who talks like this, but I hate it when people talk like texts
19:29 Evergreen Like using "U" instead of "you"
19:29 VanessaE indeed
19:29 PilzAdam y u no like?
19:29 Evergreen ^ Prime example right there
19:29 Mossmanikin Evergreen: Hi Evergreen :)
19:30 Evergreen I don't know, must be OCD or something
19:30 us{0gb sapier1, no, it's laziness.
19:31 sapier1 ok I studied science of lazyness so thats obviously fine for me ;-)
19:31 us{0gb THat, and it makes it hard to read.
19:31 Peacock i wouldn't talk about lazyness lol how many people here have jobs? :P
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19:31 sapier1 I do ;-P
19:31 us{0gb I have a job. And school.
19:31 Peacock you're in the minority :P
19:32 us{0gb Yeah, I'm a minority for several other reasons as well. Nothing new.
19:32 VanessaE I don't care for txt speak either, but I find myself using it a lot lately.
19:32 sapier1 ok so I'm the lazy guy with job and master degree in science of lazyness ... :-) perfect
19:32 VanessaE laziness, mostly.
19:32 Peacock rba and hmm work too, but apart from that, can't name many off the top of my head lol
19:33 us{0gb I think I saw something about Celeron having a job, but I'm not sure.
19:33 Peacock besides, people use shortcuts for a variety of reasons, among others, RSI
19:33 us{0gb WHat is "RSI"?
19:33 Peacock repetitive strain injury
19:33 Peacock (carpel tunnel, cysts, etc.)
19:34 us{0gb Okay, you have a point with that one, but I don't think people take that into account usually.
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19:34 Peacock another reason, this is a game, so people are on the leisure time, not writing formal correspondence :p
19:34 us{0gb Unless repetitive strain injury is the reason you're doing it, you can't use it as an excuse.
19:35 us{0gb That second one is not a valid excuse.
19:35 Peacock i switch the mouse on each side every other week because of RSI :P
19:35 sapier1 "people" is a word whos keyboard placement is way toooo different to ppl
19:35 Peacock it's perfectly valid, that people use their leisure time to be anal about others' typing habits, now that seems somewhat sadder :P
19:35 us{0gb It makes it very hard to read. SO while you are not spending as much time typing, you're making others spend more time deciphering what you wrote.
19:36 us{0gb *So
19:36 sapier1 I'd have to correct that damn word 3 times to get it right once ;-)
19:36 Peacock no one's forcing you to read text you find ill formed :P
19:36 Peacock you can always play the game, ignore them, play another game lol
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19:36 Dan_D How do I get the wielded item?
19:36 us{0gb And if I ignore ill-formed text, I can't follow the conversation, so yeah, basically they are.
19:37 Jordach ~4 weeks until OpenShot for windows!
19:37 us{0gb Dan_D, hold on, I'll look it up.
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19:37 Peacock maybe you're just incapable of having a good time :P
19:37 Jordach BlockMen, #minetest-classic
19:37 BlockMen Jordach, https://www.dropbox.com/s/m45xvbyywh​txw1j/minetest-classic-17102013.zip
19:37 Dan_D Thanks
19:37 Jordach oh, thanks
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19:37 us{0gb I have a good time, I just don't find hard-to-read text to be a good time.
19:37 sapier1 player:get_wielded_item()
19:37 Dan_D Thanks
19:37 Jordach you're lucky BlockMen
19:37 Jordach i almost got it to work
19:37 Jordach i just needed jthread.lib
19:38 Peacock well if youre not having a good time why subject yourself to it or anyone else to lectures about it? there are other leisure activities :P
19:38 Menche isn't jthread bundled with it?
19:38 BlockMen Jordach, since when are you building too?
19:38 sapier1 yes you can't use system jthread with minetest
19:38 us{0gb I'm not lecturing. I'm siding with Evergreen.
19:38 sapier1 minetest has some modifications to it
19:39 us{0gb Evergreen made a statement, I agreed, then explained my reasoning. Nothing more.
19:39 Peacock well being anal about typing habits dont really change typing habits, it just makes people seek out happier communities elsewhere :P
19:39 us{0gb I don't get on people about typing habits unless someone brings it up.
19:39 BlockMen oh..and what is my zobie doin Jordach? :P
19:40 BlockMen +m
19:40 us{0gb I fail to see how that is being "anal".
19:40 sapier1 I see good reasons for evergreens opinion too :-) but I'm still to lazy to change my way of typing ppl
19:40 Evergreen I shouldn't have brought it up
19:40 Evergreen :P
19:40 Peacock in any case, geeks being anal about anything and everything ain't exactly new lol
19:40 us{0gb No worries. THis things should be discussed.
19:41 us{0gb *these
19:41 Peacock i fail to see how anal should be in quotes, it's common vernacular for ppl with social lives lol
19:41 Peacock and coworkers XD
19:41 us{0gb I fail to see how stubbornness has anything to do with the anus. Hence, the quotes.
19:42 Peacock ever heard the expression having a stick up one's ass, that's what being anal is
19:43 Peacock you just take it too literally :P
19:43 Menche lol
19:43 us{0gb Yea, I've heard it, and I rather dislike that phrase. Stubborness has nothing to do with heads up asses.
19:43 * Menche never got that phrase either
19:43 us{0gb In fact, stubbornness is often a good thing. A head up an ass in not.
19:43 Peacock having one's head up one's ass means cluelessness, having a stick up one's ass means they take issue with everything/anything
19:44 Peacock yeah how's that stubborness working out for your gov't ? :P
19:44 us{0gb When someone says someone else's head is up their ass, it's usually because the sayer doesn't want to make a valid argument but wants to win the argument anyway.
19:45 Peacock oh yeah it's definately ad hominem, fact remains, taking the time to point out ppl should be typed as people, is nonetheless, still anal lol
19:45 us{0gb They also use phrases such as "you need to grow up" for the same purpose.
19:45 us{0gb I disagree.
19:45 Peacock grown up people don't have time to waste correcting spelling and grammar, they got way more going on lol
19:46 us{0gb THough I wouldn't do it myself, I appreciate when others point that out.
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19:46 us{0gb Accidental spelling and grammar are one thing. Intentional misspelling is another, and is worth pointing out.
19:47 us{0gb I have grown weary of pointing it out myself, but I'll defend anyone else who still will.
19:47 Peacock well, people can be as anal as they want, it's a free country, though it hasn't escaped my notice that the community seems to be shrinking, or at least, not growing :P
19:50 Evergreen Btw Peacock, it just annoys me personally when someone does that, go on doing it if you want to
19:50 us{0gb Exactly. YOu are free to do it, but we are free to find it annoying.
19:51 Peacock i know im just saying you dont have to point it out, people are on their free time here, it becomes somewhat less leisurely when they're being corrected like a teacher does with her pupil lol
19:51 Peacock cant speak for you guys, but i wouldn;t waste my time talking with people i find annoying :P
19:52 us{0gb You are putting it in our faces every time you use one of those intentionally misspelled words. Telling you about it is just returning the favor.
19:53 us{0gb Finding something someone does annoying doesn't mean that person is completely not worth hanging out with. Only that they have an annoying habit.
19:53 Peacock pointing it out gives a whiff of superiority complex
19:53 us{0gb Also, there are some people here who don't do it, so avoiding this place would mean avoiding people who are not being annoying.
19:54 Peacock naw, you just dont need to respond to the specific person... you must get annoyed by alot of people IRL lol
19:54 us{0gb That may be. But I'll stand up for those people anyway.
19:54 us{0gb People in real life don't say "lol", so no.
19:54 twoelk not true
19:54 Peacock or plol, minetest's own homegrown acronym lol
19:55 Calinou <us{0gb> I have a job. And school.
19:55 Calinou how old are you? :P
19:55 twoelk my nephews saw lol all the time
19:55 us{0gb Well, the people I talk to don't say "lol".
19:55 us{0gb Calinou, I was born in 1989.
19:55 Peacock dunno, people come here to have fun, not be subjected to grammar nazis, thats all im saying :-)
19:56 Calinou thought you were younger
19:56 us{0gb I think I'm 23 or something, I son't keep track.
19:56 us{0gb *don't
19:56 us{0gb People come here for fun, not difficult to read text talk, that's all I'm saying.
19:57 Peacock well then might i humbly suggest you're not having fun and find an activity that doesn't irritate you :-)
19:57 us{0gb I could sugest the same to you.
19:57 us{0gb *suggest
19:58 Peacock i do tune out minetest and irc for days at a time lol but whenever i come here, you're here
19:58 Evergreen Gotta go, see you later
19:58 Peacock see yas
19:58 us{0gb So it is me specifically that you find annoying? My apologies.
19:59 Peacock i find grammar nazis annoying, if i wanted that i'd go back to school or write to the Queen
19:59 us{0gb I thought you were complaining about grammar Nazis, of which I am not one.
19:59 us{0gb I never bring this topic up.
19:59 Peacock bitching about acronyms and shorthand is the same thing
19:59 us{0gb I only defended someone else who did bring it up.
19:59 Peacock compounding is the same as well :P
19:59 Calinou grammar nazis are annoying yes
20:00 us{0gb So yeah, I take sides, but I don't start these arguments.
20:00 us{0gb THen YOU are compounding as well. YOU are arguing the opposite point.
20:00 Peacock who's arguing? i found the initial statement and everything that followed quite comical lol
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20:01 thexyz guys, move this to query
20:01 sapier1 we don't seem to have enough bugs in minetest time to add some new ;-P
20:01 us{0gb Arguing has a couple meanings, I think you are interpreting my statement incorrectly.
20:01 Peacock sapier i hope you're joking :P
20:01 Exio4 haha
20:01 * us{0gb adds ants
20:02 sapier1 I almost everytime add new bugs ... at least if I add features ;-)
20:03 Peacock old bugs are the funnest since ppl don't remember how the code was written lol
20:03 Peacock (UPS software was fun like that)
20:03 us{0gb UPS as in the shipping company?
20:03 sapier1 "ppl don't remember how the code was written" you mean after half a year?
20:03 Peacock yeah, we had software made for 1995, and no one could figure out how to update it to run on XP lol
20:03 Peacock *win85
20:03 Peacock *win95 lol
20:04 us{0gb Hmm. THat must have been "fun".
20:04 Peacock half a year, well some of mt's bugs are older than that, and some of the people who wrote the code is gone, that's typical to any software project though over long enough periods
20:04 sapier1 1995 ...  thats quite modern :-) codebase I work at usually is as old as late 80's so 1985 isn't that wrong
20:05 Peacock problem with running UPS sofware on win 95 is you can't have more modern versions of office, so your stuck with different computers running different OS's trying to get them to talk to eachother and the big printers lol
20:06 Peacock most custies had more modern setups at home and it cost them alot less, hint as to why UPS stores are doing so badly lol
20:07 sapier1 I work in industry automation sector those customers don't update anything if their hardware fails after some decades they want a drop in replacement doing exactly same as old one
20:07 Jordach BlockMen, fuck
20:08 Peacock well yeah most of your customers are probably not in the business of keeping their hardware modern, they just want it to work
20:08 sapier1 no those customers can't keep their hardware modern it's operational for that long and can't be turned of without high cost
20:09 Peacock most stores i setup were in the red after a year, so yeah, they didn't have money for new tech either lol
20:09 BlockMen Jordach, huh?
20:09 sapier1 or do you want your friendly neighbour nuclear power plant shutting down cooling to update control hardware ? ;-)
20:10 Peacock we only have one such plant in Quebec i think
20:10 Peacock though this fukushima stuff seems to be scaring every country with plants
20:10 zat Has someone seen a player named nolan?
20:10 sapier1 I don't think we sell to quebec so It's not my fault ... fukishima was ge technology too :)
20:11 Jordach BlockMen, i keep forgetting
20:11 Jordach WTF WTF
20:11 Peacock GE company, or German?
20:11 sapier1 ge company
20:11 Peacock ah ok yeah i know them
20:11 Jordach i have the fancy settings to the max in classic, and for fuck sakes, it works at 60fps
20:11 BlockMen ge = general electric :P
20:12 us{0gb I think I have some of their appliances, but I don't know much about them.
20:12 Peacock well it could have been short for German too :P though they usually use DE if im not mistaken
20:12 BlockMen germans dont like nuclear power anymore =\
20:12 sapier1 maybe ga technology but if I remember correctly fukushima was very very old american technology provided by ge
20:12 us{0gb Yeah, de.
20:12 Peacock well it's not like Germany is in any danger of a tsunami?
20:12 sapier1 exactly we run our old ones until planed end of operation and shut them down
20:12 jemadux cant find coal
20:13 BlockMen well, thats the "german angst" :D
20:13 Peacock what are the alternatives otherwise, coal and russian natural gas?
20:13 PilzAdam this GE? http://youtu.be/k2MIIbuJ4Gc
20:13 BlockMen most ppl think that solar power plants and wind turnines could be enough to get electricty :(
20:14 sapier1 no but after realizing even a developed country like japan wasn't capable of controling that technology due to economical and political reasons germans no longer accept that risk
20:14 Peacock hell, its not like natural gas pipelines dont have accidents too (siberian pipeline, 82)
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20:14 Peacock wind, solar, you're dependent on good weather, its a nice boost to have, but i wouldn't rely on it 100%
20:14 BlockMen sapier1, they have kinda. ofc there are problems, but fukushima is no tschernobyl
20:15 zat Solars are not totally solar, they are now more photovoltaic
20:15 sapier1 true fukushima is worse than tschernobyl
20:15 zat the give voltage on presence of just light
20:15 zat of course they perform better on direct sunlight
20:15 Peacock chernobyl was a special case of neglect lol
20:15 sapier1 the only difference is in fukushima winds took pollution to pacific not to tokyo
20:16 zat All check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER
20:16 sapier1 yea but iter is delayed for decades due to political reasons
20:16 BlockMen sapier, umm..no? in tschernobyl there was a GAU, the core melted
20:16 sapier1 yes and in fukushima 3 cores melted
20:17 BlockMen they partly melted
20:17 zat the other day I read about a special kind of wind turbine that is super efficient but I lost its link
20:17 BlockMen and there was no fire (because there was no graphit)
20:18 BlockMen renewable energy (like photovoltaik, wind turbines, etc) cant be stored, thats the main problem
20:19 sapier1 they don't even know where the cores are how can they tell they're only partly melted ;-)
20:19 BlockMen sapier, WTF?! what you mean with "don't even know where the cores are"?
20:21 sapier1 noone got close enough to cores in fukushima to tell about their current state they may be almost intact they may be partly melted or they may be a flat metal plane on floor of containment ;-)
20:21 PilzAdam sapier1, why do you add ";-)" at the end of all your sentences? are you constantly speaking ironic?
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20:22 sapier1 considering it took weeks to admit the cores melt ... I asume last one
20:22 Peacock huh according to wiki, the siberian pipeline explosion was the result of the CIA getting the canadian company to put a logic bomb in the software the KGB stole to run the pumps and valves... learn something new every day lol
20:22 Peacock so i guess accidents aren't that common
20:22 Peacock except for the occasional spill
20:22 sapier1 pa all of my sentences? I used it twice
20:23 PilzAdam its an exaggeration, but you tend to use smileys a lot in cases where it doesnt really make sense
20:24 Peacock lol not this debate again, we just had it ten minutes ago :P
20:24 Peacock perhaps #english would be a better venue to debate the merits of smileys and shorthand :P
20:24 sapier1 any idea why cia should have done this? ... I tend to assume that's a wiki manipulation
20:25 Peacock just repeating what i read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki​/Siberian_pipeline_sabotage
20:25 BlockMen sapier, well then they still know where the cores are. They know that they are at least in the containment, if melted, partly melted or complete intact
20:25 IceCraft hi
20:26 BlockMen *is speculation
20:26 Mossmanikin Hi IceCraft
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20:26 sapier1 I'm absolutely sure the cores are in japan so I know it too
20:26 Peacock though there are some contradictions on the talk page
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20:27 BlockMen sapier, wow. impressing :P
20:27 PilzAdam bye
20:27 sapier1 they did lie about the current state right from begining I don't trust their official sayings anymore ;-)
20:28 Dan_D Can someone help  make the mod at https://github.com/DanDuncombe/bubblegumgps require the bubblegumgps:gps be required for the hud elemnt to show, and when not olhding it, make the hud disappear?Many thanks
20:28 Dan_D And BlcokMen, I hear you are HUD master
20:28 Dan_D *BlockMen
20:28 BlockMen sapier, so you dont trust THEIR official sayings but the "official" saying in the press?
20:29 sapier1 the best thing about fukushima is pacific is a huge ocean
20:29 BlockMen Dan_D, i havent heared that
20:29 Dan_D Still
20:29 BlockMen sapier, i dont think that it is the best
20:30 BlockMen now much more ppl are effected by the problem
20:30 sapier1 it is ... that much water will spread radioactivity to a extent not beeing dangerous anymore
20:30 sfan5 wow, clang is much faster at compiling
20:31 Peacock clang, sounds klingon
20:31 sfan5 does "LLVM" sound klingon too? :P
20:31 Peacock not really lol
20:31 Mossmanikin Sounds latin
20:31 Peacock sounds more like a virtual machine
20:31 BlockMen well, with radioactivity the problem is that already a small amount of it can cause health problems. so you cant know if that small amount is causing more or less problems...
20:32 Peacock LLVM = linux libre virtual machine? :P
20:32 Peacock i much preferred vox-my-nipples, but i can see why that changed to LLVM ;) :P
20:32 sfan5 !g LLVM
20:32 MinetestBot sfan5: http://llvm.org/
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20:32 Peacock LLVM != vmanip? or is that LVM
20:33 us{0gb Vox is Latin for voice?
20:33 BlockMen Jordach, how long would it take to make the zombie if you can keep it in mind?
20:33 sapier1 yes but you already have natural radioactivity so your risk is only rising slightly
20:33 Peacock wow that website looks about as nice as yahoo's 95 homepage lol
20:34 BlockMen sapier, sry but that is spaculating. the science is still not united how much radioactivity causes health problems
20:34 Peacock i'll never get why geeks who create most of hte software we use, also design some of the ugliest websites ever seen lol
20:34 BlockMen furthermore fish, etc concentrates the amount
20:34 BlockMen so ppl can get problems by it easily
20:35 sapier1 no they aren't argueing it's almost sure there is no safe dose
20:35 FreeFull "The name "LLVM" was once an acronym, but is now just a brand for the umbrella project."
20:35 us{0gb Peacock, because developers and artists are not the same people.
20:35 FreeFull I wonder what it was an acronym for though
20:35 BlockMen well, what is "safe". is the natural radioactivity "safe"?
20:35 Dan_D Help with the mod anyone?
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20:35 sapier1 no it isn't
20:35 FreeFull Ah, Low Level Virtual Machine
20:35 us{0gb Help how?
20:35 BlockMen who says so?
20:36 sapier1 it's a fact in areas where "natural" radioactivity is higher cancer rates are higher
20:36 FreeFull sapier1: I thought it wasn't a linear curve
20:37 BlockMen umm, no? i heared of a few cases where it is higher and the ppl get rly rly old there, older than all here in europe...
20:37 sapier1 I didn't say there's a linear relationship
20:37 FreeFull I'm pretty sure that some natural radioactivity is better than none at all
20:37 BlockMen so there may be a correlation, but not a causality
20:38 sapier1 if 10% of population get really old by other reasons and 20% die of cancer instead of 10% it's still valid
20:38 Peacock ogb i have a hard time picturing developers that don't have a single ounce of creativity/artistry
20:38 sapier1 radioactivity can destroy dna if by some random chance wrong part is destroyed it can cause cancer
20:39 us{0gb Peacock, i can't build decent web pages, yet I do write code.
20:39 Peacock 100% logical dev gets you things like terminal apps, 100% creative devs gives you stuff like unity lol something in between is usually better
20:39 BlockMen sry, bit cancer is one of the things the since still dont know why it increases and increases
20:39 BlockMen *but
20:39 Dan_D Help
20:39 BlockMen *sience
20:39 sapier1 so you may have luck and thousands of dna damages don't cause cancer ... or your first damage will start cancer
20:39 us{0gb Help how?
20:39 FreeFull There isn't one cancer, there are many
20:40 john_minetest Peacock: Just look at minetest. It is brilliant code but the standard "minimal game" textures (which are actually by a coder) are ugly.
20:40 sapier1 freefull yes that's why treatment is that difficult
20:40 BlockMen there are that much factors that cause cancer, i doubt that you can say that natural radioactivity causes cancer
20:40 BlockMen that is just a thesis, not more
20:40 Peacock well even minetest_game airs (sp?) more on the side of logical than creative, but you're definately right about minimal lol
20:40 FreeFull And a lot of DNA damage doesn't come from radiation. Some radiation can actually make your DNA repair mechanisms work better
20:40 sapier1 it can cause cancer ... but of course other things can do too
20:41 john_minetest Peacock: I think that there are people who are brilliant coders AND brilliant artists. But it is difficult to code all day long to improve AND draw all day long to improve that.
20:41 us{0gb BlockMen, sunlight is natural radioactivity, and it has been proven to cause cancer.
20:42 Peacock i think i may be more on the creative side, i have a hard time understanding all the complex constructs in C++ lol
20:42 BlockMen the softener in plastics can cause cancer too
20:42 BlockMen how is proven that it was the radioactivity?
20:42 sapier1 I don't think em waves with energy levels as sunlight are considered to be radioactivity
20:42 Peacock \which is why i'll never try to develop a DE lol
20:42 us{0gb Peacock, that's probably why you don't understand why others are less creative.
20:43 BlockMen sapier, light is wave AND particle
20:43 us{0gb I run into similar failures to understand people as well.
20:43 BlockMen so it could theoraticaly
20:43 Peacock true, but looking at the llvm site, surely they could have found someone else to do it :P
20:43 Peacock geeks invented CSS for that sortof thing after all
20:44 us{0gb It least they chose something simple. A lot of "creative" websites are actually a pain to use because they are poorly designed.
20:44 sapier1 I didn't say light can't cause cancer just sunlights energy level isn't in range commonly called "radioactivity"
20:45 Peacock it doesn't have to be modern art :P but the site in question is particularly ugly, the typeface, the colors, the font size, 3 column layout
20:45 Peacock not that i think modern art is nice lol anyone can puke on a canvas and ask for a subsidy
20:46 Peacock isohunt is gone :(
20:47 BlockMen IIRC it isnt the sunlight itself but the "cosmic radioation" that hits the earth (mainly by the sun). -> de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strahlenbelastung#Stra​hlenexposition_durch_nat.C3.BCrliche_Quellen
20:49 sapier1 yes but that doesn't change the fact that (all sorts of) natural radiation can cause cancer
20:49 sapier1 fukushima just increases it a little bit more
20:50 Mossmanikin sapier1: I like the new behaviour of the blue white fish, also the new animalmaterials
20:50 sapier1 as chernobyl did and those nuclear bomb tests before
20:50 BlockMen IMO it is not worth to be mentioned, because it seems that nearly everything can cause cancer these days
20:50 Dan_D Help with the mod? Also sapier1 I have made a couple of suggestions on the pushable_block thread, I think thst was by you?
20:50 Peacock alot of things cause cancer, but politicians like people to focus on second hand smoke rather than smog and other forms of pollution :P
20:51 sapier1 yes it is Dan_D
20:51 Dan_D Ok
20:51 BlockMen Peacock, true. but not only at that topic :\
20:52 Dan_D Is the orchard protected?
20:52 sapier1 of course ... german green party wants to have general speed limits to save lifes at autobahn ... most ppl die on rural roads in germany due to high speed ... there already are speed limits there
20:52 BlockMen but as longer i look at this show i more think that the most ppl want get jerked
20:52 us{0gb Yes, I understand you need help with the "mod", but you haven't told us how to help.
20:52 Peacock we have speed limits and we still have accidents
20:52 sapier1 so if ppl die on roads with speed limits speed limits should be abolished ... right? :-)
20:53 Peacock and yeah, politicians want you to focus on minute causes, while ignoring the rest of the pie lol
20:53 Mossmanikin :D
20:53 BlockMen sapier, umm. the geens (aka pedophilic party) want that to save the climate
20:53 BlockMen and that is even more stupid
20:54 Peacock a bit late now lol
20:54 Peacock and ignores the fact the earth has been much warmer in the past, and we're still here
20:54 sapier1 I don't like that pedophilic thing either but last month calling someone pedophilic has become a method to stop your enemys ... even if prooven to be wrong that one will have negative effects
20:54 Peacock and that we're still emerging from an ice age, but hey, let's destroy the economy, and watch temperatures rise nonetheless lol
20:55 BlockMen Peacock, like midages. that time it was that warm that there was growing wine in scotland
20:55 Peacock hell, the vikings colonized north america, greenland and iceland at times where you could farm much further north
20:56 BlockMen sapier, the BTW is over, so i can call them now what they are. they cant be "stopped"
20:56 sapier1 that doesn't change the fact large areas of world will become no go areas so either we stop warming or start to find ways to relocate billions of ppl
20:56 Peacock how do you stop warming at this point?
20:57 BlockMen Peacock, i bet it were the knight factories that warmed up the climate ^^
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20:57 BlockMen sapier, thats non sense. take a look at the sahel zone, it became more green the last 20 years
20:57 Peacock if anything we should be developing weather modification and making plans to build new cities at higher elevations
20:57 sapier1 thats the problem ... but did you hear anyone say "ok lets give up netherlands and used that money to relocate them to greenland"?
20:58 BlockMen furthermore...the co2 is still rising, but the global warming stucks for 15 years now
20:58 Peacock ^ true that
20:58 Peacock even david suzuki was pwned on that point in Australia on ABC
20:58 sapier1 still ice is melting almost everywhere
20:58 BlockMen nope, in antartica it is growing for years now
20:58 Peacock suzuki, environmental guru, preaches "consume less", guy has several homes totally over 10 mil$ in value lol
20:59 Peacock *totalling
20:59 sapier1 yes we don't understand completely how the warming is going to happen but increasing co2 levels that much will have an effect
20:59 BlockMen sapier, how much co2 is in the atmosphere?
21:00 sapier1 almost 1/3 more than 75 years ago
21:01 BlockMen yeah, it is now 0,039%
21:01 BlockMen or 0,04% if you like
21:01 sapier1 that low co2 level increases global temperature about 20 degrees if it wasn't there earth would be a iceball
21:02 john_minetest if the co2 level won't raise we would die.
21:02 john_minetest humanity only had odds when it was cold.
21:02 BlockMen you are sure about that, sapier?
21:02 BlockMen because the mars has > 95% co2
21:02 sapier1 exactly but if next 0,06 will result in another 20 degrees we will die too
21:03 BlockMen and it is still fucking cold there
21:03 sapier1 mars has 3% atmospheric density of earth ;-)
21:03 sapier1 I assume it's fuckin cold up in sky where you meet 3% density on earth too
21:05 john_minetest 0,038 % vol
21:05 john_minetest co2
21:05 john_minetest earth
21:05 john_minetest atmosphere
21:05 sapier1 just because something is low it doesn't mean it's not dangerous ;-)
21:06 BlockMen sapier, and you know how much that effects green house effect?
21:06 john_minetest 1% of chlorine in the air can kill you.
21:06 BlockMen and to earths green house effect...why does the temperature not rise in atmosphere?
21:07 john_minetest One volcano breaking out can change the climate a lot more than we can.
21:07 john_minetest One big blast and we are in stoneage with meters of snow again.
21:07 BlockMen it has to because the green house effect says, that the co2 reflects ir rays, but that causes heating at co2
21:08 BlockMen but beside all that, 90% of the emitted co2 is natural, so not human
21:08 BlockMen how would climate change if that 10% would be missing?
21:08 sapier1 natural greenhouse effect is about 30° on earth about 30% are caused by co2 so about 10°
21:09 BlockMen hello, 90% is natural co2?
21:09 BlockMen so 1° if it would be linear
21:09 sapier1 yes but natural is a stable value while human emmisions actually ADD
21:10 BlockMen lol, no, it was never stable
21:10 sapier1 that co2 humans emit has been taken out of service million years ago ... natural emmissions are seasonal emissions
21:11 sapier1 of course there's some delta but way less than even those 10% you add each year for almost 20 decades now
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21:11 BlockMen most land mass of earth has no seasons like here in europe
21:11 sapier1 everything not beeing tropics has seasons
21:12 BlockMen and here your stable co2 value -> http://www.wasserplanet.biokur​s.de/CO2-Dateien/image061.png :P
21:13 VanessaE can one use minetest.find_node_near() to look for CONTENT_IGNORE?
21:13 sapier1 so normal fluctuation is from 180 ppm to 280 ppm ... atm we're at 400 ppm ... not a good proof of your thesis
21:14 BlockMen my thesis? what is my thesis?
21:14 sapier1 and those changes did require about 75 millenias ... we did it in 200 years
21:16 sapier1 I don't believe we can stop global warming too ... but I doubt ppl are willing to accept we have to give up whole countrys and relocate their inhabitants
21:16 BlockMen we did it? why are human always megalomaniac? it just pretentious to think we could change the climate of a planet
21:16 Peacock Ordovician period had much higher co2
21:16 Peacock 4400 ppm
21:17 BlockMen sapier, why so dramatic? give up countries?
21:18 BlockMen remember the "waldsterben" (german angst again^^)?
21:18 sapier1 because a country like bangladesh is way below ocean surface if oceans heat up by 5 degrees ;-)
21:18 BlockMen i have a really good documentation about that for you, and it would be nice if you would watch, because it just show how stupid this dramatism is
21:18 BlockMen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO7aqEF3V04
21:19 sapier1 blockmen did you have a look at german woods recently? those ones dieing in late 80s have died
21:19 sapier1 and have been replaced .. true :)
21:19 BlockMen sapier, are you kidding?
21:20 BlockMen do you really think that?
21:20 sapier1 but not with threes dieing in late 80 but other trees
21:20 sapier1 if I look around I don't see the woods of my childhood anymore but quite different ones
21:21 sapier1 they're not worse than then of course but differnt
21:22 Peacock the environment/climate is hardly static :P
21:22 BlockMen of your childhood? how old are you?
21:22 Peacock id be alot more worried if things stopped moving/changing
21:22 sapier1 it's only 2 decades ago ... seeing a change that drastic happen in a short time like that is strange
21:23 BlockMen "Beim DFG-Projekt Und ewig sterben die Wälder wurde unterschieden zwischen einer öffentlichen Debatte, die das angebliche Sterben in immer neuen Variationen diskutierte, und dem fachwissenschaftlichen Diskurs. Die Forstwissenschaft nahm das ‚sogenannte Waldsterben’ überwiegend als Medienphänomen wahr. Das Projekt untersuchte wie der Diskurs um das Waldsterben im Zusammenspiel zwischen Wissenschaft, Politik und Medien sich h
21:23 BlockMen "Die dramatischen Fernsehbilder stark zerstörter Waldgebiete der 80er Jahre stammen ausnahmslos von einigen wenigen Flecken im Harz oder Erzgebirge. Die Ende der 70er intensivierte Nutzung der vorhandenen Braunkohlevorkommen in Westdeutschland (inklusive der Oberpfalz), der DDR und ÄŒSSR und eine unzureichende Umwelttechnik führten hier zu Belastungen, die bereits in der Zeit der frühen Industrialisierung als Rauchschäden erklÃ
21:23 BlockMen damn irc...it cuts the text
21:24 sapier1 forrest economics didn't have interest for wood  for years until woods started to become a valueable resource again due to new wood heatings
21:24 kaeza ...
21:24 BlockMen look here  http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldsterben
21:24 BlockMen and watch this fuking documentation
21:24 sapier1 btw your Ordovician period is source of our fossil fuel
21:25 BlockMen Peacock that said...
21:25 BlockMen and that doesnt change the fact, does it?
21:25 sapier1 I already know media bloated the problem but it's a common fact in current attention society without bloation nothing will change
21:25 BlockMen sry, but that is stupid
21:26 Peacock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordovician : says right there, 4200 ppm co2
21:26 Peacock mean surface temp, 16c
21:26 Peacock 2c more than modern level
21:27 sapier1 no it isn't have a look at current renewable energy politics ... ppl thinking about it knew for about 4 years it's gonna be way to expensive without limitations in there ... nothing happened
21:27 BlockMen ha ha...renewable energy politics
21:28 BlockMen you want say that it is good how we do in germany?
21:28 sapier1 but did you have a look at that map? there isn't much surface to talk about ;-)
21:29 Peacock the continents didn't suddenly appear - it's called continental drift or plate tectonics :P
21:29 sapier1 I'm not talking about the positions but about the extents ... large areas now dry have been flooded then
21:30 sapier1 and if those areas will be flooded again wit 2° more global temperature we'll have a problem ;-)
21:31 BlockMen lol
21:31 BlockMen yes, we will all die
21:31 Peacock i thought the focus was on co2, temperature and climate change lol not continental positions or coverage
21:31 Peacock funny that the greenies like to tell everyone else what to do, but won't give up their cars and iphones themselves :P
21:31 sapier1 temperature will cause oceans to rise ... it's simple physics
21:32 BlockMen and why should they rise? what will be the source?
21:32 BlockMen the growing ice of himalya? -> www.welt.de/vermischtes/article106189407/Asiens-​Gletscher-wachsen-gegen-den-Welt-Klimatrend.html
21:32 BlockMen :D
21:32 Peacock so how would you explain 4200ppm co2 with temperatures 2 degree lower than now? :P
21:32 sapier1 volumetric extension due to temerature increase?
21:33 sapier1 if your surface is only in arctics you'll have lower temperatures as if your surface is in tropics ;-)
21:33 BlockMen umm...upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons​/8/84/Density_of_ice_and_water_%28de%29.svg
21:34 Peacock was that a guess or a statement back by verifiable sources? (about volumetric extension)
21:34 MinetestBot GIT: proller@github.com commited to minetest/minetest: Masterserver update a924409bd1 2013-10-17T14:32:49-07:00 http://git.io/mqNG7w
21:34 sapier1 blockmen that's only true for freezing ice increasing water temperature from 15-20° will increase it's volume
21:35 Peacock hm, a carboniferous game for mt would be cool, like uber-prehistoric lol
21:35 BlockMen sapier, so the sience is wrong here?
21:36 sapier1 wrong where? just because some glaciers are growing while most of them are shrinking?
21:37 BlockMen no, i ment the water thing. 0°C (1000kg/m³), 100°C(960kg/m³)
21:38 sapier1 because of the well know volumetric anomaly of water having most density at 4°
21:39 BlockMen but to your "some glaciers"...actually the antartic and the himalaya glaciers are keeping most of the ice (beside greenland)
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21:39 sapier1 and antarctica isn't exactly clear by now
21:39 sapier1 calculations tend to show antarctica is in sum melting too
21:39 Peacock pretty cool http://pixld.me/carboniferou​s-mod-minecraft-1-5-2-1-5-1/
21:40 sapier1 greenland is melting thats almost sure
21:40 BlockMen calculations, based on what?
21:40 BlockMen computer simulations?
21:40 sapier1 calculations based on height mesurements of ice coverage in antarctica
21:41 BlockMen and no, its prooven that it is growing for years now
21:41 sapier1 but there's some doubt so this isn't sure for antarctica
21:41 BlockMen sorry, but there is everywhere some "doubt" in "climate change"
21:41 BlockMen so that is kinda no argument
21:42 sapier1 show me your data for antarctica ;-) the studies I know tend to indicate there are some glaciers melting ... the ocean ice coverage is decreasing without doubt in antarcitica
21:42 Peacock well its not like we fully understand what drives the climate, weve only been taking decent measurements for what, a few decades? half a century
21:43 sapier1 but of course ocean ice coverage doesn't increase sea level ... but if you recall I did only tell the volumetric expansion will cause flooding ;-)
21:43 Peacock though raising a panic over our limited understanding of limited data seems much more foolish to me
21:44 sapier1 so we don't understand but hell lets increase third most greenhouse gas by factor 3 and see whats gonna happen? :-)
21:44 BlockMen http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/imag​es/daily_images/S_stddev_timeseries.png
21:44 BlockMen yeah...it melts like hell :D
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21:45 sapier1 "with at least 15%" so 1cm is counted same as 10m ice
21:46 BlockMen sapier, your turn. present me your data
21:46 BlockMen and that is the standart
21:47 sapier1 same site summer ice extent ;-P
21:47 sapier1 http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/imag​es/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png
21:47 sapier1 oh sorry its arctica not antarctica
21:48 sapier1 btw why do they compare to 1981-2010 average? thats way after start of decline
21:48 BlockMen lol...very good
21:48 BlockMen artic is rising too
21:48 BlockMen :P
21:49 BlockMen btw accuracy...how accurat where the values of co2 in 1800? or 1890?
21:50 sapier1 rising?
21:50 sapier1 you know 2012 was overall negative record?
21:50 VanessaE 2012 was just a big negative anyway ;)
21:50 BlockMen or of the temperature, that was only messured in a few points that time but used to show raising of the global temperature?
21:52 sapier1 so you believe just because weather was cold for 3 years now doubling co2 concentration will have no effect?
21:53 sapier1 it's like americans spending more and more money hoping chinese will never stop to give em more
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21:54 sapier1 chances are good chinese wont stop because they'll loose everything if they did :-)
21:54 BlockMen and how can it even be 3 years cold by that much co2?
21:54 BlockMen and why is temperature not increasing since 15 years now, but co2 is?
21:54 sapier1 due to wether effect that always overlay climate changes for years
21:55 BlockMen like 15 years? sure
21:55 BlockMen so if climate would change like they said the oceans would raise in 1500 years then, right?
21:56 sapier1 interesting question true ... lemme guess maybe deep oceans soak up energy ... hope that guess is wrong cause if it'd be true the effects will be even more dramatic
21:56 BlockMen srsly, why are you so much beliving it? you sound like a fundamentalis christian or muslim
21:56 BlockMen "deep oceans soak up energy"? srsly?
21:56 BlockMen that is even more stupid than thinking adolf hitler is still alive
21:57 sapier1 no I'm not I just see not a single explanation what could stop drastic increase of greehouse gass to have NO effect
21:57 sapier1 do you have ANY even theoretical idea how this could be without any effect?
21:58 BlockMen for what? greenhouse gas or temperatur increasing in the 90's?
21:59 sapier1 it's like driving with 200 mph towards a wall telling "we havent hit anything by now so we wont hit anything in future"
21:59 BlockMen no, you think you are driving with 200 mph, but in real you are driving 2 mph
22:00 sapier1 fact is we did increase co2 by about 1/3
22:00 BlockMen no, FACT is that it has increased
22:00 sapier1 in less than 200 years ... in geological dimensions that is instant
22:01 BlockMen if WE would have done it, why is 90% of the anual emitted co2 natural?
22:01 proller plants likes co2
22:02 BlockMen and another fact: co2 is more havy than the aur
22:02 BlockMen why should 100% of our emitted co2 go up in atmosphere?
22:02 BlockMen *air
22:03 VanessaE if players would just replant their saplings after gathering trees...  oh, wait..
22:03 sapier1 natural emission is resorbed by other natural mechanisms ... humanity didn't do anything to resorb co2 by now
22:04 BlockMen if that would be true the co2 concentration would be still at 0,03%, not 0,04%
22:04 BlockMen and you are not answering my questions
22:04 sapier1 no because those 0,01% have been resorbed and storaged 450 million years ago
22:05 BlockMen 0,01% co2 is more than humans have produced in the last 200 years, genuis
22:05 sapier1 calculate it
22:06 BlockMen i already have, other have to and you can do it yourself too
22:06 sapier1 thats a brave clain you do right now
22:06 BlockMen all values can be found at wiki, ipcc or wherever
22:07 BlockMen sapier, all values can be found, how much is emitted every year, how much is human, how much is in atmosphere
22:07 sapier1 you claim those numbers don't fit so proove it
22:07 BlockMen calculate yourself
22:08 BlockMen or cant you calcß
22:08 BlockMen *?
22:08 BlockMen but im still waiting for answers...
22:10 sapier1 I still haven't even found the numbers you claim to be there ;-P
22:12 BlockMen i will look up and you will answer me my questions meanwhile
22:13 sapier1 what question are you talking about?
22:14 BlockMen [00:02] <BlockMen> and another fact: co2 is more havy than the aur [00:02] <BlockMen> why should 100% of our emitted co2 go up in atmosphere?
22:14 BlockMen for example
22:15 sapier1 because gas mixtures don't fraction that easy as long as there's movement within
22:15 sapier1 o2 and n2 don't have same weight too still they're not separated in atmosphere
22:20 Peacock i forget how this conversation started lol i think it was nuclear plants and renewable energy?
22:20 BlockMen but co2 is "that" havy that i can build "lakes"
22:20 sapier1 yes with some sideway to safe dose of radioactivity
22:21 BlockMen other gases cant
22:21 sapier1 yes but once it's mixed it won't create lakes that easy
22:21 BlockMen ok, next question: why was midages that warm but co2 that low?
22:21 Peacock id fancy a guess there were more plants to sequester co2
22:22 sapier1 as far as I know middle ages have been quite cold while roman empire time was quite warm
22:22 Peacock (just guessing tho, dont taze me :P)
22:22 sapier1 but explanation is that there are sun cycles overlying the climate
22:22 Peacock omg, the italians caused the last global warming? :P
22:22 sapier1 atm temperatures should fall due to that cycles ... but they don't
22:23 sapier1 no romans just cut all trees in north africa causing that area to become desert ;-)
22:24 Peacock until the romans got their asses handed to them lol
22:24 sapier1 co2 is not the only way humanity is capable of changing climate of some region
22:25 Peacock i remember when they blamed cow flatulence for methane in the atmosphere lol
22:26 sapier1 that's a factor too :-) you know there are far more cows on this planet than there have been ever before ;-)
22:26 BlockMen so, when sun activity was causing it why shouldnt it cause now?
22:26 BlockMen 2nd, there is no proove that there was more sun activity that time
22:26 sapier1 because sun actitivy is cyclic and due to that cycle it should fall atm
22:27 BlockMen and here you lazy boy, all values takes from german wikipedia -> http://pastebin.com/Q8QPzTgc
22:27 BlockMen have fun calculating
22:27 BlockMen yes, atm. but in 90's (when the temperature was raising) there was a maximum
22:28 BlockMen and since 15 years the temperature is no fucking raising
22:28 sapier1 those numbers don't tell anything
22:28 sapier1 you're comparing completely different things
22:29 BlockMen hello? you know the concentraion of co2 you know its mass you know the mass of the atmosphere, you know the mass of emitted co2 and natural co2
22:29 BlockMen you can calculate that with these values
22:29 BlockMen its actually kinda easy
22:30 sapier1 yes it is ... and it results in perfect match ... http://sunoba.blogspot.de/2011/03/atmo​spheric-co2-levels-due-to-fossil.html that guy does explain how to do it
22:31 BlockMen why not calculate yourself?
22:31 Peacock yeah there are alot of cows, most of them of them in our parliament lol
22:31 sapier1 btw it's not 5.135 * 1015t but 5.135*10exp15 t
22:32 sapier1 I did check his calculations
22:33 BlockMen pastebin eat it :\
22:33 BlockMen that fast...yeah
22:33 BlockMen ofc you did -.-'
22:33 sapier1 and he's using same values you do ... he even uses only 30 gigatons of fossil co2
22:34 BlockMen half an hour ago you were to stupid to find these values and 30 min later you already checked the calculation
22:34 BlockMen wow, that is really improving
22:35 sapier1 I already found that page while you were looking for those numbers but didn't want to tell about it until I knew his calculations are correct
22:35 NakedFury why are you guys arguing over this trivial matter?
22:35 sapier1 because argueing is fun ;-)
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22:36 sapier1 I still have only found another source for total amount of co2 in atmosphere .. you haven't either
22:37 BlockMen guess what, there are hunderts :O
22:38 sapier1 show me ;)
22:38 BlockMen but i wont waste more time on you. Stay at your religion, fine. I know that facts dont matter at spiritual ppl, so ok. Wait for the apocalypse, i dont care
22:38 BlockMen but please tell me when the netherlands are sunken and we all suffer under this unbelievable heat :D
22:39 BlockMen i want make a beach club then...-.-'
22:39 sapier1 I've shown much more facts that co2 is increasing and causes greenhouse effect than you did show facts co2 isn't inreasing and not caused by human and of course you didn't show a single reason why co2 should have no effect
22:39 BlockMen but you havent explained why temperatures not reacting on co2 values
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22:40 BlockMen so even if you would have shown you would have prooven nothing...
22:40 sapier1 I have
22:40 BlockMen ah..ok. why is temp not increasing for 15 years now again?
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22:40 sapier1 considering temperatures should actually fall due to sun cycles a 15 year stop of increase is not a issue
22:42 BlockMen umm...that would mean that the sun is the main actor of "global warming", not co2
22:42 BlockMen otherwise the temp would increase, but slower
22:42 BlockMen not complete stop
22:42 BlockMen fail :D
22:42 sapier1 no it just tells there are multiple fators ... so what happens if those factors dont substract but ADD
22:43 sapier1 -2 + 2 --> 0 ... but if we reach other end of sun cycle  +2 + 2 -->4 .... oops
22:43 sapier1 take those numbers as illustration only
22:44 BlockMen hmm...but the problem is that sun has a much larger value than 2
22:45 sapier1 if that is true then human effect has to be higher too to equalize it
22:45 BlockMen who says it has to be equal?
22:46 BlockMen sun very very low = ice age,  sun very very high = warm times
22:47 BlockMen co2 makes just 6-25% of green house effect (official)
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22:48 sapier1 so it's 1,5 to 7,5° .... doubling co2 concentration will result in 1,5 to 7,5 degree increase
22:48 BlockMen but if you need to think you "have prooven" something
22:48 BlockMen fine...like i said. IDC anymore what you think
22:49 BlockMen have fun...fanatic believer ;)
22:49 sapier1 YOU are the one not caring about arguments not matching YOUR believes
22:49 BlockMen lol
22:50 BlockMen yes, ofc. at least my glaciers are not growing whith raising temperaturs
22:51 sapier1 you know growing glaciers can be explained by raising tempertures for some cases too?
22:52 sapier1 growing temperatures result in more water in air thus if a glacier stays above ice height that additional water will cause the glacier to grow ... at least until it's getting even more hot
22:54 BlockMen ah..ok. the more water can result the growth of glaciers but the water in atmosphere that make more than 60% of the greenhouse effect have not such a large effect like co2
22:54 BlockMen yes, idc about arguments
22:54 BlockMen you are absolutly right my believing brother of world saviors ;)
22:54 sapier1 it does so increasing temperatures could cause a runnaway greenhouse effect
22:55 BlockMen if it would we would already have that effect, genius
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22:55 sapier1 no it wouldn't it could be compensated by less water in other areas of world ... e.g. california or australia suffering of wort dries for ages the last years
22:59 sapier1 thanks for the interesting discussion but I have to work today maybe more next time ;-)
22:59 BlockMen aha...and atm it can not be compensated by these areas and grows the glacies?
22:59 BlockMen no no..my friend. i have to work either
23:00 sapier1 I don't see how glaciers could melt in australia for example ;-) there are none ;-)
23:00 sapier1 gn8
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23:01 BlockMen pfff...he leaves as fast as his arguments.
23:01 BlockMen when nothing to say against then leaving...
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23:12 BlockMen well, i will leave then too. here a picture for everyone who want see the enormous melting in the artic -> http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/t​est/print.sh?fm=02&amp;fd=16&amp;fy=1​982&amp;sm=02&amp;sd=16&amp;sy=2013
23:12 BlockMen gd n8t everyone
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23:13 NekoGloop good nate?
23:15 Mossmanikin it's german; Acht=eight, n8t=Nacht=night
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23:22 Mossmanikin Off for now, later
23:22 VanessaE er, hi an dbye
23:22 VanessaE er, hi and bye
23:25 * NekoGloop pokes VanessaE
23:25 VanessaE ow.
23:26 NekoGloop what'd I miss
23:26 NekoGloop any notable progress
23:26 VanessaE a little
23:27 VanessaE the entity dupe issue may have been fixed
23:27 NekoGloop sweet
23:27 VanessaE (actually that's quite big)
23:27 VanessaE meanwhile, the fps dropouts on my server continue to get worse, especially for netbooks
23:28 VanessaE (c55 has seen it first-hand, and was all "what the fuck", "this is nonsense"
23:28 NekoGloop and you have what, 70-100 mods?
23:29 VanessaE 91.
23:29 VanessaE some 5000 nodes defined, I think
23:31 NekoGloop and the game probably STILL runs faster than MC :D
23:32 VanessaE heh
23:32 VanessaE that I don't know
23:33 NekoGloop I should work on glooptest
23:34 VanessaE yes
23:34 VanessaE some folks have been asking for, I think, akalin blocks
23:34 NekoGloop akalin has blocks
23:34 NekoGloop you mean kalite?
23:34 VanessaE then it was a different one
23:34 VanessaE maybe kalite, yeah
23:34 VanessaE I don't remember now :P
23:34 NekoGloop arol?
23:34 NekoGloop only kalite and arol don't have blocks
23:36 VanessaE I don't make much use of glooptest myself, so I never remember anyway :)
23:36 NekoGloop Kalite will need a special processing method to get it's "ingot" and Arol (as well as some other things) will have blocks later
23:37 NekoGloop You should use the tables :D
23:37 NekoGloop (which just look cool atm)
23:46 NekoGloop I might add that running minetest in japanese mode does this [Imgur](http://i.imgur.com/atUdbQ6)
23:46 NekoGloop erm
23:46 NekoGloop wrong copy paste field
23:46 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/atUdbQ6.png
23:47 Peacock which mapgen would be best for a carboniferous world? (ref http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAn0wN9RU1w)
23:48 NekoGloop singlenode
23:48 Peacock singlenode?
23:48 Peacock the whole thing made from one node?
23:48 Peacock /type
23:50 NekoGloop http://pastebin.com/1XRPKut1 Line 39: attempt to call a table
23:51 Peacock whereis glooptest defined?
23:51 NekoGloop in the master init.lua
23:51 Peacock presumably before glooptest.tech_module = {}?
23:51 Peacock is it local?
23:52 NekoGloop no
23:52 VanessaE maybe you wanted ipairs(glooptest.tech_module.table_changers)   ?
23:52 NekoGloop for .... in ipairs(glooptest....table_changers)?
23:52 VanessaE *nod*
23:52 Peacock for ind,content in glooptest.tech_module.table_changers do
23:52 VanessaE that's how you walk a table, normally.
23:52 Peacock ^ no pairs() at all from what i can see
23:53 Peacock for ind,content in pairs(glooptest.tech_module.table_changers) do
23:53 NekoGloop I've done it without ipairs
23:53 VanessaE what Peacock said.
23:54 NekoGloop So the glooptest table, is a table of tables, which is a table of tables, which one of those tables is a table of tables.
23:54 VanessaE yep
23:54 VanessaE table-ception, etc.
23:54 NekoGloop tableceptionceptionception
23:54 VanessaE anyways,
23:54 VanessaE if you don't use ipairs() to walk the table (or pairs() ) then you have to use some kind of function there.
23:55 VanessaE since you didn't use a function, but rather you put a table, you have to walk it with pairs/ipairs.
23:55 NekoGloop well that didn't crash
23:55 NekoGloop didn't work either, but it didn't crash
23:55 VanessaE that's a good start :)
23:56 NekoGloop and glooptest, being a table of tables of tables, one of those being a table of tables... That last table of tables has to do with wooden tables.
23:56 NekoGloop TABLES
23:57 VanessaE TABLES!!!!
23:57 VanessaE :P
23:59 NakedFury tablelific
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