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| 00:14 |
Peacock |
lol check out http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 00:15 |
kaeza |
seems legit |
| 00:15 |
kaeza |
wait what |
| 00:16 |
Peacock |
lol how much you wanna bet its one of those ruskie scams using the repos to insert nasty malware lol |
| 00:17 |
Peacock |
thank god, just checked synaptic, clean :-) |
| 00:19 |
Peacock |
im hesitant to change my debian repos from wheezy to the next one up, but my vlc is that old version with all the tearing :/ |
| 00:21 |
Peacock |
also my xfce version doesn't have that auto-tile on screen edges that i love |
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| 00:26 |
thefamilygrog66 |
bonjour mes amis |
| 00:26 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
Grooooooooooooooooog! |
| 00:26 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan! |
| 00:26 |
VanessaE |
hey grog |
| 00:27 |
thefamilygrog66 |
howdy V |
| 00:27 |
thefamilygrog66 |
what's new? |
| 00:27 |
VanessaE |
not much |
| 00:27 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
conquering Persia |
| 00:27 |
thefamilygrog66 |
again? |
| 00:28 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I'm thinking more turkey leftovers... |
| 00:28 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
naw last time was Czeckoslovakia |
| 00:28 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I can conquer that |
| 00:28 |
VanessaE |
obama's on c-spam... |
| 00:28 |
VanessaE |
"thank the leaders of both parties for getting us to this point" |
| 00:28 |
VanessaE |
"I will sign it immediately." |
| 00:28 |
VanessaE |
good. |
| 00:28 |
thefamilygrog66 |
you guys got gubment again? |
| 00:29 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
i sortof suspected they would come up with a deal at the last minute, just like last time |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
grog: in a few mins, yes |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
allegedly. |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
peacock: the voted to raise their credit limit :-/ |
| 00:29 |
VanessaE |
they* |
| 00:29 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
how about raising taxes or cutting expenses tho? |
| 00:30 |
thefamilygrog66 |
^^^ |
| 00:30 |
VanessaE |
I wish. |
| 00:30 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
its kinda depressing that they have to argue over how much more debt to saddle your children and grandchildren with lol |
| 00:30 |
VanessaE |
but noooooo we can't do that |
| 00:30 |
thefamilygrog66 |
you sound like you're from soviet canuckistan, Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan! |
| 00:31 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
Canada is almost worse off, the fed is going to break even but the provinces will be in terrible shape financially |
| 00:31 |
thefamilygrog66 |
yay, downloading |
| 00:31 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
Ontario is already in the toilet, Alberta turned a huge surplus into a deficit, Quebec doesn't seem to care |
| 00:31 |
thefamilygrog66 |
THAT'S what that smell is |
| 00:31 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
though at least in Quebec we're talking about gassing the geezers (assisted suicide) :P |
| 00:32 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
and the obvious question is, if all the young people need to go west to find work, what happens to all the geezers in the east when the working taxpayers are gone and theres no money for health/services? |
| 00:33 |
thefamilygrog66 |
Canada turned a huge surplus into a deficit as well, even before 2008 |
| 00:33 |
thefamilygrog66 |
way to go guys |
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| 00:34 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
the conservatives did that before the recession, and come the next election they'll be fucked, royally |
| 00:34 |
VanessaE |
same here |
| 00:34 |
VanessaE |
they're gonna get their asses handed to them. |
| 00:34 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
i say royally because the cons are crazy about the queen lol |
| 00:34 |
thefamilygrog66 |
haha |
| 00:34 |
thefamilygrog66 |
okay, leftover conquering time |
| 00:34 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
i say, why have one queen thousands of miles away, when we have hundreds of queens in all our major cities? |
| 00:35 |
thefamilygrog66 |
oh, did you see the bad lip sync game of thrones thingie? |
| 00:35 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
the throne speach? |
| 00:36 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
(reminds me of when i talk to myself on the can) :P |
| 00:36 |
thefamilygrog66 |
no, GoT as a renaissance theme park |
| 00:36 |
thefamilygrog66 |
google that - pretty hilarious |
| 00:36 |
thefamilygrog66 |
brb |
| 00:36 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
enjoy your turkey :P all they had left was duck when i went to the store |
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| 01:05 |
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| 01:09 |
paramat |
hi captain p and grog. captain p, i saw this architecture and thought of you http://www.aasarchitecture.com/2013/10/The-Interlace-by-OMA_16.html |
| 01:10 |
VanessaE |
ah he's here |
| 01:10 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
whos captain p? lol |
| 01:10 |
VanessaE |
someone was looking for you earlier, paramat |
| 01:10 |
VanessaE |
[10-16 15:16] * harpnetAdmin starts to wonder if he will ever hear back from paramat |
| 01:10 |
paramat |
yes he PM'd me |
| 01:10 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 01:11 |
paramat |
i think thats zsoltisawesome of moontest fame. also hi to VanessaE |
| 01:12 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
| 01:13 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
lol restaurant's seal burger sparks death threats from animal activists - the irony lol |
| 01:13 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
killing animals bad, killing people A-OK apparently lol |
| 01:14 |
VanessaE |
seal burger? O.O |
| 01:14 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/10/16/restaurants-seal-meat-burger-named-after-brigitte-bardot-sparks-threats-from-animal-rights-activists/ |
| 01:15 |
VanessaE |
could be worse I guess....Heart Attack Grill |
| 01:15 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
gotta love the extreme left - on the one hand they want us to take care of natives, on the other, they want us to ban all their forms of hunting XD i guess what they want is more welfare dependency lol |
| 01:15 |
VanessaE |
(don't bother looking it up... their website is a total mess) |
| 01:15 |
VanessaE |
hey now, |
| 01:15 |
VanessaE |
I'm one of those extreme lefties....and I'm sitting here eating a meat lover's pizza :P |
| 01:16 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
no but its kinda contradictory coming from the same group :P |
| 01:16 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
how can we take care of natives and ban hunting what they hunt? isn't that destroying their culture? lol |
| 01:16 |
VanessaE |
*shakes head* |
| 01:16 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
thats the UN for ya lol |
| 01:17 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
Heart attack grill - arent they the ones making those gynormous burgers? |
| 01:17 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
and btw, love meatlovers pizza lol |
| 01:18 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
for every animal vegans wont eat, i'll eat 3 lol |
| 01:19 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 01:19 |
VanessaE |
I loves my dead pig and cow :D |
| 01:19 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
i dont know what the english word is for "gibier" (deer/moose) but thats good too |
| 01:19 |
VanessaE |
I forget now what that's called |
| 01:20 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
ahh, game meat |
| 01:20 |
VanessaE |
oh right |
| 01:20 |
VanessaE |
Venison |
| 01:20 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
ive had shark too, tasted like shit lol |
| 01:20 |
VanessaE |
ok US House vote coming now |
| 01:20 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
kinda curious about crocodile meat and austriche |
| 01:20 |
VanessaE |
never had croc meat |
| 01:21 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
should try it, you're closer to it than i am, ill prolly pay alot more for it lol |
| 01:21 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 01:21 |
VanessaE |
hardly any closer. what, 1500km? :) crocs ain't exactly common here |
| 01:22 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
though around here, game and duck cost as much as the ordinary meats, so i guess im spoiled lol |
| 01:22 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
ever had elk? |
| 01:23 |
VanessaE |
one of my favorites is gyro meat - lamb + beef |
| 01:23 |
VanessaE |
nope, never had |
| 01:23 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
elk is fucking awesome |
| 01:23 |
Mossmanikin |
veganism is cruel, those poor plants don't stand a chance |
| 01:23 |
thefamilygrover |
meat good |
| 01:23 |
VanessaE |
Abe ha shad Elk before. says it's kinda "gamey" |
| 01:23 |
VanessaE |
"It was fair to midlin" |
| 01:24 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
the wife is a true native, she's gonna go hunt moose in a few weeks :D |
| 01:24 |
VanessaE |
he's had buffalo, similar opinion of it |
| 01:24 |
thefamilygrover |
nice |
| 01:24 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
elk is pretty good, tender, no much fat, lots of flavour, and you know, they're not raised in pens, they eat plants in the forest |
| 01:25 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
to get the equivalent in terms of chicken or beef, you'd have to buy the "bio" variety, and even then i have my doubts about what makes them "bio" lol |
| 01:25 |
* thefamilygrover |
wants to raise chickens in the backyard |
| 01:26 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
you live in the country right? should be easy enough |
| 01:26 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
i wanna go further north, hunting only gets better |
| 01:26 |
thefamilygrover |
nope, I used to live in the woods until April, but bought a house in Kingston this past summer |
| 01:26 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
never tried buffalo, never had it on the shelves here :( |
| 01:26 |
Sokomine |
khaan: send her to study the moose and make an animated blender model afterwards :-) (while letting the animal escape) |
| 01:27 |
thefamilygrover |
apparently it's legal to have a few chickens here now, provided I get the neighbours' approval |
| 01:27 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
the only place i could keep chickens is on the balcony, and i doubt im allowed :P |
| 01:27 |
thefamilygrover |
cat's licking the turkey gravy off my plate. bad cat. |
| 01:27 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
my cat's sitting on my lap, i shall be stroking my pussy all evening :( |
| 01:28 |
thefamilygrover |
errr yeah |
| 01:28 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
</slocombe> |
| 01:28 |
Mossmanikin |
ok? |
| 01:28 |
Sokomine |
if you have a cat, your balcony is probably considered by your cat her territory anyway. no chance for chicken |
| 01:28 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
http://youtu.be/unmkX15AeN8 |
| 01:28 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 01:28 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
i dont let the cat out |
| 01:28 |
Sokomine |
oh |
| 01:28 |
thefamilygrover |
my back yard's around 35x60 feet - plenty of room for a chicken coop |
| 01:28 |
VanessaE |
my cats know their territory quite well |
| 01:28 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
i dont want random people petting her, you don't know where they've been |
| 01:29 |
VanessaE |
and where it stops in particular |
| 01:29 |
thefamilygrover |
my cat's have been indoors ever since the fishers took three in as many years at the old place |
| 01:29 |
thefamilygrover |
*cats, jeebus |
| 01:29 |
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| 01:30 |
Mallot1 |
hello, all |
| 01:30 |
thefamilygrover |
bonjour |
| 01:30 |
Mallot1 |
i forgot the idea of minetest |
| 01:30 |
Mossmanikin |
Hi Mallot1 |
| 01:30 |
Mallot1 |
like the direction its going |
| 01:30 |
Mallot1 |
Hi Mossmanikin |
| 01:30 |
thefamilygrover |
when was the last time you played Mallot1? |
| 01:30 |
Mallot1 |
yesterday |
| 01:31 |
thefamilygrover |
I mean, previously |
| 01:31 |
Mallot1 |
ye |
| 01:31 |
Mallot1 |
s |
| 01:31 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
Minetest is part of everything. He’s in the sky and sea. He’s in the dreams of children at night. He is all that there is. Forever. |
| 01:31 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
</boardwalk empire> |
| 01:31 |
thefamilygrover |
candyman candyman candyman |
| 01:31 |
Mossmanikin |
Wisely spoken |
| 01:31 |
thefamilygrover |
oops, did it again |
| 01:32 |
thefamilygrover |
damn mirror |
| 01:32 |
Mallot1 |
:D |
| 01:32 |
VanessaE |
meh. *pops the candyman in the head with a .357* |
| 01:32 |
Mossmanikin |
:D |
| 01:32 |
Mallot1 |
lol, i thouht it said poops |
| 01:32 |
Mallot1 |
X3 |
| 01:32 |
thefamilygrover |
oh jeeze, forgot I have a gig on Friday |
| 01:32 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
poops is vulgar, Picard would say "number one, i order you to take a number two" |
| 01:33 |
* thefamilygrover |
should probably practise... |
| 01:33 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
meh, just get wasted and wing it |
| 01:33 |
thefamilygrover |
number two, earl grey, hot. |
| 01:33 |
Mallot1 |
i think we need to start trying to target kids to play minetest |
| 01:33 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
it served me well |
| 01:33 |
Mallot1 |
i don t think we have to many on public servers |
| 01:33 |
thefamilygrover |
that's par for the course Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan |
| 01:33 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
when i was a dishwasher, sobriety was rare lol |
| 01:33 |
thefamilygrover |
my son, who's six, plays sometimes |
| 01:34 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
and i still did a better job than the sober philipinos lol |
| 01:34 |
thefamilygrover |
but he still prefers minecraft |
| 01:34 |
Mallot1 |
awwww |
| 01:34 |
Mallot1 |
but its a start :) |
| 01:34 |
thefamilygrover |
for sure |
| 01:34 |
Mallot1 |
ill see if i can get my friends to play again |
| 01:34 |
Mallot1 |
we should start etting advertising |
| 01:34 |
thefamilygrover |
mesecons just don't measure up to redstone for him, anyway - he loves making redstone gadgets |
| 01:34 |
Mallot1 |
i love mesecon |
| 01:35 |
Mallot1 |
so i cant imagine redstone |
| 01:35 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
too complicated for my taste lol |
| 01:35 |
Mallot1 |
lol |
| 01:35 |
thefamilygrover |
you're smart - you can make us go |
| 01:35 |
thefamilygrover |
what was that episode? |
| 01:35 |
Mallot1 |
I never heard of it |
| 01:36 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
episode of which show |
| 01:36 |
thefamilygrover |
tng |
| 01:36 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
oh |
| 01:36 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
those morons |
| 01:36 |
thefamilygrover |
the dudes kidnapped jordi |
| 01:36 |
thefamilygrover |
*sp |
| 01:36 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
that happened twice lol |
| 01:36 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
morons: Samaritan Snare |
| 01:36 |
thefamilygrover |
yes! |
| 01:36 |
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| 01:37 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
the other episodes had the romulans kidnap him and replace him with a clone or some genetically modified romulan, i forget which |
| 01:37 |
thefamilygrover |
can't remember that one |
| 01:37 |
thefamilygrover |
though I've seen every one numerous times, I'm sure |
| 01:37 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
The Mind's Eye |
| 01:37 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
heck TNG played all the time on CityTV growing up in TO |
| 01:37 |
Mallot1 |
are mesecons still maintained |
| 01:37 |
thefamilygrover |
used to watch the original series and tng each at least twice a day |
| 01:38 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
frasier played alot back then too, thats how i got into it lol |
| 01:38 |
thefamilygrover |
I dunno Mallot1 - have there been any updates to that one recently? |
| 01:38 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
kelsey grammar (frasier) appeared on TNG, as did his ex-wife, Lilith lol |
| 01:38 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
Lilith played one of the many aliens Riker bedded lol |
| 01:38 |
Mallot1 |
i dont think so :/ |
| 01:38 |
thefamilygrover |
hmm |
| 01:39 |
Mallot1 |
i like them though i wonder if i would eb ale to help |
| 01:39 |
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| 01:39 |
Mallot1 |
testycircuits |
| 01:39 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
lol testycircuits... |
| 01:39 |
roguejedi79 |
on a business trip, cant wait to get home to get mods on my new server |
| 01:39 |
Mallot1 |
:3 |
| 01:40 |
Mallot1 |
what server |
| 01:40 |
Mallot1 |
do you have mesecons? |
| 01:40 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
no they're evil, try decepticons |
| 01:40 |
Mallot1 |
:D |
| 01:41 |
Mallot1 |
transformers |
| 01:41 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
i really regret getting those tattoes done since the new movies came out lol |
| 01:41 |
Mallot1 |
lol |
| 01:41 |
Mallot1 |
tattoes of transformers? |
| 01:41 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
now people actually think i like the new movies lol while they're way older than that (obvious by the fading) |
| 01:41 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
yeah, i have the autobots symbol on one leg, the decepticons on the other |
| 01:41 |
Mallot1 |
cool |
| 01:42 |
Mallot1 |
so... |
| 01:42 |
NakedFury |
Ryker was a man slut |
| 01:42 |
Mallot1 |
how are we all doing with... |
| 01:42 |
Mallot1 |
the ladies B) |
| 01:42 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
Ryker... meets a hermaphrodite species ... fucks one of them lol |
| 01:42 |
NakedFury |
also ryker had the "I own this place" seating style |
| 01:42 |
thefamilygrover |
Riker always sat down on chairs weirdly. |
| 01:43 |
NakedFury |
yeah leg over the back |
| 01:43 |
thefamilygrover |
there's a youtube montage |
| 01:43 |
NakedFury |
sometimes even same way to get back up |
| 01:43 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
not to mention exposing his crotch to wesley by lifting his leg on the console's support thingy |
| 01:43 |
NakedFury |
yeah man! |
| 01:43 |
thefamilygrover |
haha |
| 01:43 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
not that wesley hated it but still lol |
| 01:43 |
NakedFury |
like here visitor take a glance at my crotch |
| 01:43 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
did that to wesley: http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Riker1.jpg |
| 01:44 |
NakedFury |
inviting him to seat down was inviting a crotch glance |
| 01:44 |
NakedFury |
lol |
| 01:44 |
NakedFury |
that episode |
| 01:44 |
NakedFury |
he got back up same way |
| 01:44 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
the picard maneuver as well: http://youtu.be/j4Z3SYf6_Q8 |
| 01:44 |
thefamilygrover |
bahaha - it's his trademark, like the Fonz punching the jukebox, man |
| 01:45 |
thefamilygrover |
can't watching picard tugging it anymore |
| 01:45 |
thefamilygrover |
o_O |
| 01:45 |
NakedFury |
wow never noticed it before |
| 01:45 |
NakedFury |
its the same as the Ryker maneuver |
| 01:46 |
NakedFury |
I cant help but notice it now |
| 01:46 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
he was always pulling down his shirt lol |
| 01:46 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
still better than the 1-pieces they used early on lol |
| 01:46 |
NakedFury |
but star trek clothing sucks either way |
| 01:47 |
thefamilygrover |
I'd love an original series red shirt |
| 01:47 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
in the early seasons, they even had manskirts lol |
| 01:47 |
thefamilygrover |
I'd wear that thing like crazy |
| 01:47 |
NakedFury |
the only uniform I like from the series is the old style: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Star_Trek_Wrath_of_Khan_uniforms.jpg |
| 01:47 |
thefamilygrover |
yeah, remember the manskirts...errr...kilts. |
| 01:47 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
http://youtu.be/pEJ0XlX9Kbo |
| 01:47 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
^manskirt |
| 01:48 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
they shoulda stuck with the red one yeah, maybe a bit more modernised, but it looked a little more military yeah |
| 01:48 |
thefamilygrover |
nice |
| 01:48 |
NakedFury |
the one in TNG and the rest of the series just looks lame |
| 01:48 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
though the greytops from DS9 werent bad either |
| 01:48 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
in voyager they stuck with the ugly ones till the end :/ |
| 01:49 |
NakedFury |
its no wonder Worf had an ilegal uniform accesory |
| 01:49 |
Sokomine |
would you like to wear something like that? guess the original tshirts might be most comftable |
| 01:49 |
thefamilygrover |
okay, I gotta at least run through my set once - it is a one-man band after all, so I can't count on anyone else to cover my ass |
| 01:49 |
NakedFury |
the low point in star trek uniform was reached in Enterprise |
| 01:50 |
NakedFury |
god that looked, without offense, like a janitor uniform |
| 01:50 |
NakedFury |
or painter |
| 01:50 |
Sokomine |
i do consider enterprise to be an alternate timeline/universe anyway. does not fit to the rest |
| 01:50 |
NakedFury |
yeah many events very important happened that were never mentioned anyway |
| 01:50 |
NakedFury |
the whole stupid time war |
| 01:51 |
NakedFury |
that was a waste of story |
| 01:51 |
Sokomine |
exactly. but not only that |
| 01:51 |
thefamilygrover |
I will leave you with a video of me performing my song about zombie nightmares, in a bar, behind chicken wire, as people dance and throw empty beer cans and fried chicken bones at me. |
| 01:51 |
NakedFury |
and I hated the captain style in Enterprise too. he always went in expeditions when as captain he just didnt have to |
| 01:52 |
thefamilygrover |
http://youtu.be/7n6ZbJE2HF0 |
| 01:52 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
enterprise never happened XD |
| 01:52 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
scott bakula was alot better in quantum leap than star trek lol |
| 01:52 |
NakedFury |
yep |
| 01:53 |
NakedFury |
I just cant stand how they wasted half the show to Temporal cold War |
| 01:53 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
it didn't make much sense either |
| 01:53 |
NakedFury |
then the second other half to an important Star Trek event that felt equally lame |
| 01:53 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
in the other 3 series, they time-traveled all the time without these guys showing up to fix it |
| 01:53 |
VanessaE |
hey now I liked Enterprise. |
| 01:53 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
the xindi season sucked ass the most |
| 01:53 |
NakedFury |
^ agreed |
| 01:54 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
the species were so ridiculous |
| 01:54 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
even the kazon were less laughable, and my sister called them trolls lol |
| 01:54 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
kazon: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2220/2392237019_01cecd96f8.jpg |
| 01:55 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
its no surprise Enterprise ended after 4 seasons, and the finale was the biggest cop-out lol |
| 01:55 |
VanessaE |
ok I agree the finale was shit |
| 01:55 |
NakedFury |
I even preferred the constant irritable paranoia of humans towards Vulcans, specially annoying Tucker |
| 01:55 |
VanessaE |
as was the "in the mirror darkly" |
| 01:56 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
they shoulda stuck to stories that hadn't been established in cannon, but throwing the borg in there, really? |
| 01:56 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
and im sposed to believe starfleet knew nothing when picard met the borg later on lol |
| 01:57 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
not as if people weren't sick of the borg after voyager lol |
| 01:57 |
VanessaE |
ok th US House is voting now |
| 01:57 |
paramat |
that missisipi grover video is good, i'm impressed |
| 01:57 |
VanessaE |
42:9 in favor, so far |
| 01:57 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
voyager: borg show up, Janeway says "bitch please", borg loose lol |
| 01:57 |
NakedFury |
42 in favor that Enterprise sucked |
| 01:57 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 01:58 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
lol |
| 01:58 |
Sokomine |
:-) |
| 01:58 |
VanessaE |
no not quite :) |
| 01:58 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
i doubt they could even agree on that :P |
| 01:58 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
this budget thing will pass dont worry |
| 01:58 |
VanessaE |
56:10 now in favor of accepting the Senate's bill on the shutdown |
| 01:58 |
Sokomine |
hm, new way of annoying us senators and forcing them to do their work? show them bad movies? |
| 01:58 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
you mean everything to come out of hollywood in the last 15 years? |
| 01:58 |
NakedFury |
I will start with any Uwe Boll movie |
| 01:58 |
VanessaE |
I'm not too worried, but they started to play the Social Security card. I'm on Social Security. |
| 01:59 |
VanessaE |
that's when I started to worry, because that's supposed to be untouchable. |
| 01:59 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: haha |
| 01:59 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
unfunded liability |
| 01:59 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
they'll eventually have to tackle social security |
| 01:59 |
NakedFury |
any senator that mentions social security should not be a senator |
| 01:59 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
as much as us "kids" cant afford pensions for geezers who sold out the economy to the chinese |
| 01:59 |
NakedFury |
heck the complete senate needs a hard wipe |
| 02:00 |
VanessaE |
well to be fair, I earned every penny I make (that's how it works here) |
| 02:00 |
VanessaE |
NakedFury: both houses need a clean sweep |
| 02:00 |
NakedFury |
its full of old shits stuck in the old ways |
| 02:00 |
VanessaE |
70:18 now... |
| 02:01 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
boomers expect us to work longer, for less money, to pay higher taxes, for pensions we won't get, you can see where this is going right? |
| 02:01 |
VanessaE |
of course |
| 02:01 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
the 60's were nothing compared to what's coming lol |
| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
raise taxes a bit, cut the damn military, and there's the solution right there. |
| 02:02 |
VanessaE |
and I mean taxes on the millionaires. |
| 02:02 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
the sad part is we'll have more reagan/thatcher types taking advantage of the situation |
| 02:02 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
just let the bush tax cuts expire |
| 02:02 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
jesus, you paid more in taxes during the oil embargo, and shit wasn't good back then either |
| 02:04 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
as for cutting the military, well, there's an empire to maintain |
| 02:05 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
and with obama's pivot to the orient, and the chinese spending your consumer dollars on military hardware, i doubt military spending will reduce anytime soon |
| 02:05 |
VanessaE |
it's a total clusterfuck |
| 02:06 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
the big fucking mistake was sending all our manufacturing to china in the first place |
| 02:06 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
now we're supposed to be pissed as citizens that they spend their money wisely? lol |
| 02:06 |
NakedFury |
everything is made in china |
| 02:06 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
short-sighted neoliberal retardedness |
| 02:07 |
VanessaE |
not everything, but hardly nothing is made in the US anymore. |
| 02:07 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
you can't have free trade between unequal nations |
| 02:07 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
because automatically you have to reduce your worker's expectations to those of the other country |
| 02:08 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
but i dont wanna work for fucking chinese wages lol |
| 02:08 |
NakedFury |
thats the problem |
| 02:08 |
NakedFury |
nobody wants to do that work |
| 02:08 |
NakedFury |
so they look someplace else and find it in china |
| 02:08 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
if they paid what they should, they would find workers |
| 02:09 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
Canada has the TFW, like the US's H1-B's, we find people willing to do the same work for less, and we end up with natives on unemployment and welfare |
| 02:09 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
too much protectionism is bad for consumers, but too much liberalism is also bad for workers |
| 02:10 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
like V said, a real clusterfuck |
| 02:10 |
VanessaE |
the vote's 191:87 so far. I'd say it's gonna pass rather clearly. |
| 02:10 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
thats what i expected :P |
| 02:10 |
NakedFury |
what is it about? |
| 02:10 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
fitch was threatening a downgrade so... |
| 02:11 |
VanessaE |
NakedFury: to reopen the government |
| 02:11 |
NakedFury |
ohh |
| 02:12 |
NakedFury |
it will pass and it wont learn from its mistakes |
| 02:12 |
NakedFury |
we will survive fine until the next generation when the same mistake happens again |
| 02:12 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
naw, ittl be the same shit in jan or feb |
| 02:12 |
VanessaE |
of course. |
| 02:12 |
NakedFury |
the change that is needed will not pass because those in power dont want to do what is necessary |
| 02:13 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
thats why the chinese are right about a new reserve currency, tho im not sure how the US will take that lol |
| 02:13 |
NakedFury |
we will stay broken until some guy or gal with giant cojones comes to power and takes change |
| 02:14 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
its peculiar that some countries are stocking up on gold lol |
| 02:14 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
some people seem to think the US dollar hasn't got long to go |
| 02:15 |
NakedFury |
any currency hasnt got long |
| 02:15 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
it's all toilet paper anyhow,gold standard wasn't perfect, but at least it gave money value |
| 02:16 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
though its interesting to note one of keyne's (rejected) ideas was a global reserve currency |
| 02:17 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bancor |
| 02:17 |
NakedFury |
yeah late |
| 02:17 |
NakedFury |
already reading it |
| 02:18 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
though when we live in an age of eminent domaine and civil forfeiture, i'd rather not own too much seizable property, but have transportable value lol |
| 02:19 |
roguejedi79 |
my gf is not a gamer but i've got her hooked on MT once i got my server up |
| 02:19 |
VanessaE |
cool |
| 02:19 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
(bankruptcy's a bitch) lol |
| 02:19 |
Mossmanikin |
Yeah! |
| 02:20 |
NakedFury |
another example of change waiting to happen and knocking your door but our political bosses not opening the door |
| 02:20 |
VanessaE |
284:144, the vote carried. |
| 02:20 |
VanessaE |
285* |
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| 02:20 |
VanessaE |
not one single "nay" by the Dems. why am I not surprised? |
| 02:20 |
NakedFury |
they should all be fired without benefits for incompetence |
| 02:21 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
because theyre not kamikaze lol |
| 02:21 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
seriously, a parliamentary system wouldn't hurt the US lol |
| 02:21 |
VanessaE |
hah |
| 02:21 |
VanessaE |
forget it, our government is busted. nothing will fix it but nuclear war or something |
| 02:21 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
rosie O'donnel could be the queen lol |
| 02:22 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
nuclear war? i think more people are hoping for internal civil war before a global nuclear war lol |
| 02:22 |
Mossmanikin |
Let's listen to some doom metal |
| 02:22 |
NakedFury |
this current crisis will be fixed in 1 of 2 ways. another world war or the messiah comes and takes the proper actions |
| 02:22 |
NakedFury |
World War is more likely |
| 02:22 |
VanessaE |
I'd rather listen to something positive. |
| 02:23 |
VanessaE |
messiah? heh. you wish. |
| 02:24 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
not sure another world war could happen in the age of mutually assured destruction tho |
| 02:24 |
VanessaE |
it could |
| 02:24 |
VanessaE |
there are enough batshit insane people out there that would do it |
| 02:24 |
NakedFury |
^ yes |
| 02:25 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
well, russia's economy aint doing too well, china still depends on western consumer dollars... |
| 02:25 |
NakedFury |
china depends on all those countries using it as a factory |
| 02:26 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
exactly, the only possible belligerent is russia, and they're more likely to have a war with china over lebensraum |
| 02:26 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
because china needs territory and they're right on russia's doorstep |
| 02:27 |
NakedFury |
well back to minetest. was a common goal reached for minetest earlier today in -dev? |
| 02:27 |
VanessaE |
no, I think it'll be some backwater middle-east nation-state that does it |
| 02:27 |
VanessaE |
all it takes is one person with sufficient knowledge of nuclear physics and rocketry to pull it off. |
| 02:27 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
not sure oil would be as big a factor for ww3 as it was for ww2 |
| 02:31 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
it will probably be water lol |
| 02:32 |
Mossmanikin |
Africa, a whole continent, exploited, oppressed, enslaved... civil wars and ethnic cleansing everywhere... people do not forget about some shit... it will hit the west |
| 02:32 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
africa wanted independence, they got it, now we're to blame? |
| 02:33 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
sucks they didn't learn anything during the colonial period, but that's hardly our fault lol |
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| 02:34 |
Mossmanikin |
some woulnds don't heal easyly, it's not about blaming anyone |
| 02:34 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
once they got independence they basically resumed tribal warfare, http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p016tn4r |
| 02:35 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
not really different from the middle-east, though im sure they'll be blaming us for their troubles 20 years from now |
| 02:36 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
damned if you do, damned if you dont: whatever we do in the middle east (interfere or nothing), they'll blame us lol |
| 02:37 |
Mossmanikin |
and they more or less have the historical right |
| 02:40 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
yeah, because we're all responsible for our ancestors actions right? lol |
| 02:40 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
they appeal to liberal attitudes when they need help, and they blame liberal attitudes when they can't keep their shit together.... i say build a wall around the middle east, let them off themselves in record numbers over religious wars |
| 02:41 |
Mossmanikin |
Don't get me wrong, I know all about getting blamed for what my forefathers did (I'm german) |
| 02:41 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
exactly, how many foreigners call you a nazi because of what people did way before your time? |
| 02:41 |
Mossmanikin |
A lot |
| 02:42 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
its not like you had a say or a vote, you weren't even born |
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| 02:42 |
VanessaE |
how many foreigners call all americans dumb? :-/ |
| 02:42 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
well id argue only 40% are dumb, the ones voting GOP lol |
| 02:42 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 02:43 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
but naw, they're not dumb, there's a shitton of people in the 3rd world living in propaganda regimes |
| 02:44 |
Mossmanikin |
Exactly, all I'm trying to say here is: on every action follows a reaction, war leaves traumatized people |
| 02:44 |
Guest44161 |
is this where I can get basic minetest questions answered? |
| 02:44 |
Mossmanikin |
traumatized people don't act rational |
| 02:44 |
NakedFury |
yes |
| 02:45 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
well exactly, that's liberal hypocrisy again: you want to give them independence, but also interfere every time things dont go your way... i say it's none of our business |
| 02:45 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
im very star-trekian when it comes to interfering in other countries' affairs lol |
| 02:47 |
Guest44161 |
where are the directions on how to play, enter multi-player, etc? |
| 02:48 |
kaeza |
controls are in the pause menu (press Esc in-game) |
| 02:48 |
Guest44161 |
im on a linux machine, my son is on a windows machine. I would like to join him playing. |
| 02:49 |
VanessaE |
go to the "Server" menu and start a server from there |
| 02:49 |
VanessaE |
tell your son to connect to you via your LAn IP |
| 02:49 |
Guest44161 |
lol, he's 8, and im not so savvy... |
| 02:50 |
VanessaE |
it's easy. Just open the program, click the "Server" tab. Plug in your name and password, select a world on the right, and "Start Game" |
| 02:50 |
VanessaE |
your name and password being what you want to use for your temporary server - they can be anything you want. |
| 02:50 |
VanessaE |
leave the port alone. |
| 02:50 |
Mossmanikin |
So here we have a kid interested in Minetest :) |
| 02:50 |
Guest44161 |
Moss |
| 02:51 |
Guest44161 |
sorry- he loves it. |
| 02:51 |
VanessaE |
then tell your son to go to the "Client" menu. Enter his name and password, your LAN IP for where it says "Address/Port" and then click Connect. |
| 02:51 |
VanessaE |
same as if he's connecting to some outside server. |
| 02:52 |
thefamilygrover |
my son plays on my server sometimes - he comes up with mod ideas, and I write them and add them to the server. but he still keeps going back to minecraft and that damned redstone... |
| 02:52 |
Guest44161 |
how do I find out an ip? |
| 02:52 |
Mossmanikin |
Yeah, it's just someone, forgot whom, said we need kids :) |
| 02:52 |
VanessaE |
Guest44161: you'open a terminal, ifconfig -a |
| 02:52 |
VanessaE |
gah |
| 02:52 |
VanessaE |
Guest44161: you're in linux, so open a terminal and do, ifconfig -a |
| 02:53 |
kaeza |
gah: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 02:53 |
Guest44161 |
i would rather find his, since he has a huge world built and mine is just installed |
| 02:53 |
thefamilygrover |
is he using windows 7? |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
one of those entries will have a valid IP address - 10.x.x.x or 192.168.x.x |
| 02:53 |
* kaeza |
runs |
| 02:53 |
Guest44161 |
yes winows 7 |
| 02:53 |
thefamilygrover |
okay, tell him to click the start button and type cmd |
| 02:54 |
thefamilygrover |
that will open up a command prompt window |
| 02:54 |
thefamilygrover |
then he should type ipconfig |
| 02:54 |
VanessaE |
it's easier if you run the server on your linux machine, since you know a bit more than he does |
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| 02:54 |
thefamilygrover |
that will tell him, among other things, his ip address |
| 02:55 |
thefamilygrover |
don't listen to VanessaE |
| 02:55 |
thefamilygrover |
haha |
| 02:55 |
VanessaE |
:P |
| 02:55 |
Mossmanikin |
:D |
| 02:55 |
thefamilygrover |
it's just as easy, if not easier, to run on a windows machine |
| 02:56 |
VanessaE |
yeah but the windows machine is the son's, I'd think the parent should run the server... |
| 02:57 |
thefamilygrover |
it's not like he's opening it to the public |
| 02:57 |
thefamilygrover |
it's just a lan server |
| 02:57 |
kahrl |
depends on the router :P |
| 02:57 |
VanessaE |
well whose ever machine has the world you two want to play in also matters ;P |
| 02:58 |
thefamilygrover |
that's what he mentioned up there ^^^ |
| 02:58 |
Guest44161 |
it doesnt look like he can open up the world he created in single player mode... |
| 02:58 |
VanessaE |
odd |
| 02:58 |
kaeza |
just in case... which version? |
| 02:59 |
Guest44161 |
I think he has 4.7, i have no idea what I have |
| 02:59 |
thefamilygrover |
how did he create the world, if not in singleplayer mode? |
| 02:59 |
kaeza |
ah ok just checking :P |
| 02:59 |
kahrl |
right, 0.4.7 has no "Server" tab, it's called "Advanced" |
| 02:59 |
VanessaE |
zero point four point seven |
| 02:59 |
VanessaE |
Oh right, I forgot that it was renamed |
| 03:00 |
thefamilygrover |
so it'll be in the advanced tab for both computers |
| 03:00 |
thefamilygrover |
but the son doesn't specify an IP address, just leaves that blank, with the world highlighted below |
| 03:00 |
Guest44161 |
lol!!! Now I remember why I switched to Linux...his laptop just crashed. |
| 03:01 |
thefamilygrover |
hehe |
| 03:01 |
Mossmanikin |
lol |
| 03:01 |
thefamilygrover |
so VanessaE, any idea when 0.4.8 is officially being released? |
| 03:01 |
VanessaE |
no clue yet |
| 03:01 |
Guest44161 |
okay, bear with me. he's reopened and at the advanced tab |
| 03:01 |
VanessaE |
but it's inching a little closer |
| 03:02 |
kahrl |
"0.4.8 will be released soonâ„¢" |
| 03:02 |
thefamilygrover |
okay guest, does he see his world listed in the bottom pane? |
| 03:03 |
Guest44161 |
he still 'connecting to server' |
| 03:03 |
kahrl |
Guest44161: to start a server, leave the address field blank |
| 03:04 |
Guest44161 |
so that would just start a new world, right? |
| 03:04 |
Guest44161 |
maybe thats what we should do |
| 03:04 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
poppycock lol |
| 03:04 |
thefamilygrover |
nope, he would select the already created world in the bottom pane of the advanced tab |
| 03:04 |
thefamilygrover |
and then, leaving the ip address blank, click start game |
| 03:05 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
sounds tricky, might need a diagram :P |
| 03:05 |
Guest44161 |
he double clicked on his world and its trying to connect |
| 03:05 |
Mossmanikin |
Port should be blank too? |
| 03:05 |
thefamilygrover |
port doesn't matter, I dont' think |
| 03:06 |
thefamilygrover |
ooh, watched the evil dead remake last night, was a lot more intense than I remember the original being |
| 03:07 |
Guest44161 |
i loved that flick |
| 03:07 |
thefamilygrover |
the original or remake? |
| 03:07 |
Guest44161 |
the original, havent seen the remake |
| 03:08 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
evil dead, thats the one with the tree rape scene right? |
| 03:08 |
thefamilygrover |
yes |
| 03:08 |
Guest44161 |
thats the one |
| 03:08 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
yeah lol thats fucked up |
| 03:08 |
thefamilygrover |
I rented the original back in '84 or so |
| 03:08 |
thefamilygrover |
when I was a teen |
| 03:09 |
Guest44161 |
vhs days |
| 03:09 |
thefamilygrover |
yessir |
| 03:09 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
well both tree rape scenes were kinda ridiculous lol |
| 03:09 |
thefamilygrover |
beta, if you could afford it |
| 03:09 |
thefamilygrover |
there was one in the remake too Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan |
| 03:09 |
Guest44161 |
my kid holds up a vhs and says Dad what is this? |
| 03:10 |
thefamilygrover |
hehe |
| 03:10 |
Mossmanikin |
:D |
| 03:10 |
thefamilygrover |
I have a box full of them, and another full of audio cassettes too |
| 03:10 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 03:10 |
thefamilygrover |
they don't get a lot of play |
| 03:10 |
thefamilygrover |
:) |
| 03:10 |
Guest44161 |
should it take this long for him to connect ? |
| 03:10 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
but what happens if an evil spirit wants to possess someone and they dont have something to rape? lol |
| 03:10 |
VanessaE |
Guest44161: explain to him some day what a 5 1/4 disk is :) |
| 03:10 |
Mossmanikin |
it's similar to papyrus |
| 03:10 |
* VanessaE |
looks at a box of them sitting on her desk |
| 03:10 |
thefamilygrover |
no, it shouldn't take that long |
| 03:11 |
Guest44161 |
remember punch cards? |
| 03:11 |
VanessaE |
never used them, thank G*d |
| 03:11 |
VanessaE |
(too young) |
| 03:11 |
thefamilygrover |
I remember doing tests in school where we had to fill in tiny rectangles on punch card type things with pencil |
| 03:11 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
i had that too lol |
| 03:12 |
Guest44161 |
also - what is c55? it looks like that is what I am running. |
| 03:12 |
thefamilygrover |
must've been a crazy canadian thing |
| 03:12 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
c55 is a girl in finland |
| 03:12 |
VanessaE |
c55 = celeron55, the original author of the gam,e |
| 03:12 |
VanessaE |
game* |
| 03:12 |
thefamilygrover |
tell your son to hit the Esc key |
| 03:13 |
Guest44161 |
ok |
| 03:13 |
thefamilygrover |
it ain't connecting |
| 03:13 |
Guest44161 |
ok, hes back at the start screen |
| 03:13 |
Mossmanikin |
long time ago some of theose cards slipped trough my fingers, long time ago.... |
| 03:13 |
thefamilygrover |
now in the advanced tab, does he see his world in the bottom? |
| 03:14 |
Guest44161 |
yes |
| 03:14 |
VanessaE |
my computing only goes back far enough to have stored data on audio cassette. |
| 03:14 |
Guest44161 |
commodore 64 style! |
| 03:14 |
VanessaE |
damn straight! |
| 03:14 |
* VanessaE |
looks at the C128 on her desk :) |
| 03:14 |
Guest44161 |
my 1st pc |
| 03:15 |
Guest44161 |
he sees his world |
| 03:15 |
thefamilygrover |
ok, he should make sure it's selected (highlighted), and that the address field is blank, and hit the start button |
| 03:15 |
thefamilygrover |
it should load right away pretty much |
| 03:15 |
Mossmanikin |
love those cassettes, still got some in the basement, unfortunately my C64 is wasted :( |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
(though I was using a timex sinclair before, which used an actual audio cassette recorder rather than a dedicated tape drive) |
| 03:16 |
Guest44161 |
should it be marked as Public? |
| 03:16 |
VanessaE |
Mossmanikin: c64s are easy to fix if you can find the parts |
| 03:16 |
Guest44161 |
and the prt blank too? |
| 03:16 |
Guest44161 |
port |
| 03:16 |
Menche |
the port should be blank if you want it to start a server. |
| 03:16 |
Mossmanikin |
VanessaE: thanks, just too lazy :D |
| 03:17 |
kaeza |
huh |
| 03:17 |
* thefamilygrover |
grew up on commodore PET, timex sinclair 1000 and commodore 64 |
| 03:17 |
thefamilygrover |
none of that vic 20 crap though |
| 03:17 |
thefamilygrover |
haha |
| 03:17 |
kaeza |
I thought the port field was required; that only the address field was optional |
| 03:17 |
thefamilygrover |
just leave the port at 30000 |
| 03:17 |
Guest44161 |
ok |
| 03:17 |
thefamilygrover |
but the address blank |
| 03:18 |
Menche |
wait what version? does it have an "Address" tab or a "Server" tab? |
| 03:18 |
thefamilygrover |
advanced tab |
| 03:18 |
Guest44161 |
should it be public? |
| 03:18 |
thefamilygrover |
not sure, guys? |
| 03:18 |
Menche |
oh right, address blank |
| 03:18 |
kaeza |
nope |
| 03:18 |
thefamilygrover |
no, not public |
| 03:18 |
Guest44161 |
ok |
| 03:18 |
kaeza |
unless you want random people from the internet to join your server |
| 03:18 |
* thefamilygrover |
will join |
| 03:18 |
kaeza |
:) |
| 03:19 |
Menche |
only if it's port-forwarded, of course |
| 03:19 |
Mossmanikin |
:D |
| 03:19 |
kaeza |
anyway, do not use public |
| 03:19 |
Guest44161 |
ok, he has a new world opened up now. |
| 03:19 |
thefamilygrover |
cool, do you know his ip address? |
| 03:19 |
Guest44161 |
i have his ipv4 address |
| 03:20 |
thefamilygrover |
it should be something like 192.168.0.100 or something |
| 03:20 |
thefamilygrover |
good |
| 03:20 |
kahrl |
Guest44161: really a new world? or the existing world with a new player? |
| 03:20 |
Guest44161 |
yep, 192.168.1.6 |
| 03:20 |
Guest44161 |
he syas its a new world |
| 03:20 |
Guest44161 |
says |
| 03:20 |
thefamilygrover |
in your advanced tab, type in that address |
| 03:21 |
thefamilygrover |
a user name and click start |
| 03:21 |
Guest44161 |
i dont have an advanced tab, but I have a place for the address |
| 03:21 |
kahrl |
he loses his inventory if his username is not "singleplayer" but any builds should still be there |
| 03:21 |
Guest44161 |
i did give him a different name |
| 03:21 |
thefamilygrover |
this whole menu should be revamped to make it more simplified, less redundant |
| 03:21 |
Guest44161 |
acces denied, your clients version is not supported |
| 03:21 |
NakedFury |
make it a goal |
| 03:21 |
thefamilygrover |
but that's just my opinion |
| 03:22 |
kahrl |
thefamilygrover: it has been |
| 03:22 |
kaeza |
Guest44161, which version are you running? |
| 03:22 |
kaeza |
(on Linux) |
| 03:22 |
Guest44161 |
i dont know |
| 03:22 |
thefamilygrover |
kahrl, I guess it's a work in progress |
| 03:23 |
kaeza |
start a new single player game and look at the top left corner of the screen |
| 03:23 |
Guest44161 |
it doesnt say |
| 03:24 |
Guest44161 |
just says minetest (main menu) |
| 03:24 |
Mossmanikin |
self-explanatory ftw (I know it's not easy) |
| 03:24 |
Guest44161 |
then a client and server box underneath |
| 03:24 |
kaeza |
looks like 0.3.x |
| 03:25 |
thefamilygrover |
that'll be why |
| 03:25 |
kaeza |
or even worse -- minetest-delta .-. |
| 03:25 |
thefamilygrover |
does anyone have a zipped, already compiled 0.4.7 for linux kicking around? |
| 03:25 |
Guest44161 |
servers protocol_version is 13...20, client's protocol_version is 3..3 |
| 03:26 |
kaeza |
yep; you'll have to upgrade |
| 03:27 |
Guest44161 |
wait, minetest open gl2.1 |
| 03:27 |
Mossmanikin |
Hm... did I miss something or is ftw | wtf coincidence? |
| 03:27 |
Guest44161 |
wait |
| 03:27 |
Guest44161 |
c55 0.3.1 |
| 03:27 |
* kaeza |
waits |
| 03:27 |
kaeza |
:| |
| 03:27 |
Guest44161 |
thats all i got. |
| 03:27 |
VanessaE |
oh my |
| 03:27 |
thefamilygrover |
it's old |
| 03:27 |
VanessaE |
talk about outdated :) |
| 03:28 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrover: I could upload an AMD64 build if you want. |
| 03:28 |
thefamilygrover |
it's not for me, it's for guest, so he doesn't have to go through the whole compiling thing |
| 03:28 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
| 03:28 |
VanessaE |
why not use the nightlies PPA? |
| 03:29 |
thefamilygrover |
that's an option too |
| 03:29 |
kaeza |
in that case his son would have to update too |
| 03:29 |
VanessaE |
https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds |
| 03:29 |
thefamilygrover |
my linux client is a nightly build |
| 03:29 |
thefamilygrover |
you can use a nightly client on a 0.4.7 server |
| 03:29 |
thefamilygrover |
no probs |
| 03:30 |
thefamilygrover |
or daily |
| 03:30 |
thefamilygrover |
whatever |
| 03:30 |
kaeza |
(blame troller and his leveled node thingy) |
| 03:31 |
Guest44161 |
i downloaded it from the ubuntu software center. would that not give me a current version? |
| 03:31 |
thefamilygrover |
unfortunately, no |
| 03:32 |
NakedFury |
wow man 0.3.1 is super old no wonder yuo where having big problems |
| 03:32 |
Guest44161 |
and its recommended that we use the software center... |
| 03:32 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
leveled node thingies suck, yes |
| 03:32 |
Guest44161 |
so what do i do? |
| 03:32 |
Menche |
add the PPA and you'll be able to install it from the software center |
| 03:32 |
Menche |
only the name will be "minetestc55" |
| 03:32 |
thefamilygrover |
that link that Vanessa posted a minute ago walks you through |
| 03:32 |
VanessaE |
Guest44161: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install minetestc55 |
| 03:33 |
Menche |
even though "-c55" has since been removed from the official name... |
| 03:33 |
VanessaE |
do that and yours will be up-to-date |
| 03:33 |
Guest44161 |
ok, ill try that. |
| 03:33 |
thefamilygrover |
Vanessa just shortened it for you - copy and paste what she typed |
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| 03:33 |
thefamilygrover |
semicolons and all |
| 03:34 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
no one is copy/pasting my colon, that's for sure |
| 03:34 |
thefamilygrover |
man, it's 11:30 already |
| 03:34 |
thefamilygrover |
you're just about due for a colonoscopy ain't ya, old guy? |
| 03:34 |
Guest44161 |
i cant copy from here... |
| 03:35 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
you kiddin'? i wont even let a doctor wag a finger in my face XD |
| 03:35 |
VanessaE |
guest: highlight, then middle-click to paste. |
| 03:35 |
Guest44161 |
im using a touchpad, but thanks! |
| 03:35 |
VanessaE |
left+right buttons at th sam time |
| 03:35 |
Menche |
both buttons at once = left+right |
| 03:35 |
Menche |
ninja'd |
| 03:35 |
VanessaE |
that usually simulates a middle click |
| 03:35 |
VanessaE |
hiYAH! :) |
| 03:35 |
Guest44161 |
cool, lemme try that |
| 03:35 |
thefamilygrover |
stimulates a whatnow? |
| 03:36 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
lol |
| 03:36 |
thefamilygrover |
oh, simulates |
| 03:36 |
Menche |
and my response didn't even make sense :/ |
| 03:36 |
Menche |
* both buttons at once = middle click |
| 03:36 |
thefamilygrover |
really, both buttons = left+right? |
| 03:36 |
thefamilygrover |
haha |
| 03:36 |
Menche |
naaaah |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrover: get your mind out of the sewer :) |
| 03:37 |
Menche |
unless you have one of those STUPID touchpads where you push the entire thing down and don't have buttons >:( |
| 03:37 |
Guest44161 |
didnt work, let me type it out |
| 03:37 |
Menche |
a lot of newer computers have those things... |
| 03:37 |
thefamilygrover |
d'oh |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
guest: then do the usual highlight -> ctrl-C -> Ctrl-V |
| 03:37 |
thefamilygrover |
the gutter, V - not quite the sewer yet |
| 03:37 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 03:38 |
Mossmanikin |
Need some sleep, so see ya :) |
| 03:38 |
thefamilygrover |
night moss |
| 03:38 |
VanessaE |
ngith |
| 03:38 |
VanessaE |
night* |
| 03:38 |
kahrl |
I had one of those that had separate left and right buttons but would report bogus clicks when moving the cursor. Made me lose at mahjongg :/ |
| 03:39 |
thefamilygrover |
what should I watch before bed tonight? |
| 03:39 |
VanessaE |
Mary Poppins. :) |
| 03:39 |
thefamilygrover |
thinking more horror or scifi |
| 03:40 |
thefamilygrover |
or the funny |
| 03:40 |
VanessaE |
Sci Fi? hm... |
| 03:40 |
VanessaE |
Stealth, |
| 03:40 |
VanessaE |
or Eagle Eye |
| 03:40 |
kahrl |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T5_0AGdFic |
| 03:41 |
Guest44161 |
i grabbed my sons mouse, still didnt work. but i got it downloading now |
| 03:42 |
thefamilygrover |
haha, that's awesome kahrl |
| 03:42 |
Guest44161 |
do i need to remove the packages that are no longer needed? |
| 03:44 |
Guest44161 |
okay, now what? |
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| 03:45 |
kaeza |
now start minetest :) |
| 03:45 |
kaeza |
(Alt+F2 -> "minetestc55") |
| 03:45 |
Guest44161 |
i did once already. it started the 3.1 version. do i need a retsart? |
| 03:45 |
Menche |
remove the old one? |
| 03:45 |
Guest44161 |
i didnt. dont know how, yet. |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
did you remember to apt-get update; apt-get install minetestc55? |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
(sudo both) |
| 03:46 |
VanessaE |
if that doesn't work, sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 03:47 |
Guest44161 |
i did all that |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
can you pastebin the output from those commands? |
| 03:47 |
VanessaE |
everything the terminal showed, from start to finish |
| 03:48 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
sudo rm -rf / works too |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
hush, kaeza |
| 03:48 |
Guest44161 |
i havent patebinned in awhile, remind me how |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan* |
| 03:48 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
lol |
| 03:48 |
kaeza |
wat |
| 03:48 |
kaeza |
"sudo apt-get remove minetest" |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
Guest44161: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ |
| 03:48 |
kaeza |
? |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
just paste some text into there |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: tab-complete FAIL. |
| 03:49 |
Guest44161 |
ok i pasted |
| 03:49 |
VanessaE |
now submit it (the "Paste!" button at the bottom) and give us the address |
| 03:49 |
Guest44161 |
http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6249135/ |
| 03:50 |
VanessaE |
ah |
| 03:50 |
Guest44161 |
ah? |
| 03:50 |
VanessaE |
you forgot to, sudo apt-get install minetestc55 |
| 03:50 |
VanessaE |
not minetest - minetestc55 |
| 03:50 |
VanessaE |
you need to uninstall the other one also |
| 03:50 |
VanessaE |
so, |
| 03:51 |
VanessaE |
sudo apt-get remove minetest; sudo apt-get install minetestc55 |
| 03:51 |
Menche |
why's the package called that? the "-c55" was removed from the official name some time ago. |
| 03:51 |
VanessaE |
no clue, Menche |
| 03:51 |
thefamilygrover |
ten bucks says guest's son has lost interest in minetest and is now off watching adventure time |
| 03:51 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrover: at this time of night? :) |
| 03:51 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 03:51 |
Guest44161 |
he's going to bed in a minute |
| 03:51 |
VanessaE |
adventure time is an afternoon cartoon :) |
| 03:51 |
kaeza |
:< |
| 03:51 |
VanessaE |
(I think) |
| 03:52 |
* thefamilygrover |
watches it late at night sometimes |
| 03:52 |
thefamilygrover |
haha |
| 03:52 |
VanessaE |
reruns? |
| 03:52 |
thefamilygrover |
streaming |
| 03:52 |
VanessaE |
ah |
| 03:52 |
VanessaE |
I get all my stuff off the interwebs :) |
| 03:52 |
VanessaE |
don't own a tv |
| 03:52 |
thefamilygrover |
I run my computer through my tv these days |
| 03:53 |
thefamilygrover |
32" minetest is fun |
| 03:53 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 03:53 |
thefamilygrover |
also, I'm 43 and my eyes aren't getting any younger |
| 03:53 |
VanessaE |
I'm content to play it on my little 17" monitor :) |
| 03:53 |
Guest44161 |
i dont have a working tv either |
| 03:54 |
Guest44161 |
errors were encountered!!! oh no!!! |
| 03:54 |
kaeza |
has anyone actually tested that stereothingy mode yet? |
| 03:54 |
thefamilygrover |
that's because linux is easier guest! |
| 03:54 |
VanessaE |
what errors? |
| 03:54 |
VanessaE |
kaeza: anaglyph mode? |
| 03:55 |
kaeza |
...yes, that :P |
| 03:55 |
VanessaE |
tried it. EPIC FAIL. |
| 03:55 |
* Menche |
would definitely try 3d anaglyph... if he had those glasses. |
| 03:55 |
kaeza |
aww |
| 03:55 |
Guest44161 |
http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6249154/ |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
Guest44161: manually delete the offending files. |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
ph wait |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
apt-get remove minetest-common |
| 03:56 |
VanessaE |
then install minetestc55 |
| 03:57 |
VanessaE |
(why was the old one separated into two packages?) |
| 03:58 |
Guest44161 |
ummm.... |
| 03:58 |
Menche |
minetestc55 should have those listed as conflicts |
| 03:58 |
VanessaE |
Menche: you'd think so, but oh well |
| 03:58 |
VanessaE |
Guest44161: yes? |
| 03:58 |
Menche |
APT does support that, right? been a while since i used it |
| 03:58 |
VanessaE |
Menche: sure it does |
| 03:58 |
Menche |
pacman ftw! |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
APT. |
| 03:59 |
Guest44161 |
im sorry, im a newb, what is the question? |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
pac-man indeed :) |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
Guest44161: [10-17 00:04] <Guest44161> ummm.... <--- umm, what? |
| 03:59 |
Guest44161 |
yes? |
| 03:59 |
kaeza |
._. |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
Guest44161: sudo apt-get remove minetest-common; sudo apt-get install minetestc55 |
| 03:59 |
Guest44161 |
forget it. thought i was being asked something |
| 03:59 |
VanessaE |
that should get rid of the last of the old one and put the new one in. |
| 04:00 |
Guest44161 |
ok, thanks, let me try that |
| 04:00 |
thefamilygrover |
linux is easier, right VanessaE? :) |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrover: it is when you know wtf you're doing ;) |
| 04:00 |
thefamilygrover |
noe |
| 04:00 |
thefamilygrover |
nope even |
| 04:00 |
kaeza |
thefamilygrover, have fun compiling your little windows programs :D |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
the sad part is I've been using Linux nearly since the beginning and BSD before that...and I still screw up :_ |
| 04:00 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 04:01 |
thefamilygrover |
I don't need to compile em, kaeza, because someone's already done that for me |
| 04:01 |
thefamilygrover |
also, I'm using a linux box right now, haha |
| 04:01 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrover: the critical part is the "knowing wtf you're doing" :) |
| 04:01 |
* thefamilygrover |
knows nothing |
| 04:01 |
* thefamilygrover |
sees nothing |
| 04:02 |
Guest44161 |
i freely admit, i do not know wtf I am doing :) |
| 04:02 |
thefamilygrover |
no worries |
| 04:02 |
Guest44161 |
okay its done downloading |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
ok good |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
run it |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 04:02 |
thefamilygrover |
make it so |
| 04:02 |
VanessaE |
Engage. |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
Punch it. |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 04:03 |
thefamilygrover |
giv'er |
| 04:03 |
kaeza |
3..2..1.. |
| 04:03 |
Guest44161 |
run it from terminal or open it in |
| 04:03 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
number one |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
run from the terminal for now |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
if it works properly, you can just launch it from the menu i nthe uture. |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
in the future* |
| 04:03 |
thefamilygrover |
cut those fingernails V |
| 04:03 |
Guest44161 |
sorry, whats the command to run it in terminal |
| 04:03 |
VanessaE |
(epic typos today) |
| 04:04 |
thefamilygrover |
./minetest |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
should just be minetst |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
minetest |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
not ./ |
| 04:04 |
thefamilygrover |
or that |
| 04:04 |
thefamilygrover |
fine |
| 04:04 |
Guest44161 |
hey look at that! it works! |
| 04:04 |
thefamilygrover |
sudo nohup ./minetestserver & |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
yay! |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
\o/ |
| 04:04 |
thefamilygrover |
wooo |
| 04:05 |
Menche |
why would you run minetestserver with sudo? |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81LQnWPVqSI |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
you wouldn't :) |
| 04:05 |
VanessaE |
I have a user account on my box for the purpose |
| 04:06 |
kaeza |
why not? you get root! and you get root! everyone gets root! |
| 04:06 |
* VanessaE |
hacks thefamilygrover's server and pokes around a bit in /proc |
| 04:06 |
Guest44161 |
this is different |
| 04:06 |
VanessaE |
Guest44161: yep, it's changed a great deal since 0.3.` |
| 04:06 |
VanessaE |
0.3.1* |
| 04:07 |
Guest44161 |
ive actually only messedw it for about 5 mins. but my kid is a whiz at it. |
| 04:07 |
Guest44161 |
which is why i asked for directions earlier |
| 04:07 |
VanessaE |
I'd suggest you get your kid's copy updated as well |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
use one of the "unofficial builds" links on the minetest.net downloads page |
| 04:08 |
Guest44161 |
isnt his up to date w 4.7? |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
his is 0.4.7-release |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
yours is 0.4.7-git daily |
| 04:08 |
VanessaE |
which is newer. |
| 04:09 |
VanessaE |
it's very nearly 0.4.8 |
| 04:09 |
thefamilygrover |
the wait is driving me crazy |
| 04:09 |
VanessaE |
yours supports some stuff that 0.4.7-release does not |
| 04:09 |
Guest44161 |
lol, ok, tomorrow though. |
| 04:09 |
Menche |
stop waiting and install the -git :) |
| 04:09 |
thefamilygrover |
maybe tomorrow |
| 04:09 |
thefamilygrover |
want a stable release, ya know |
| 04:09 |
VanessaE |
NOW. |
| 04:09 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 04:09 |
thefamilygrover |
haha |
| 04:10 |
VanessaE |
you want stable? run 0.3.x :P |
| 04:10 |
thefamilygrover |
maybe I will |
| 04:10 |
Menche |
don't hate on 0.3.3 :) |
| 04:10 |
Guest44161 |
so how do i play multiplayer? |
| 04:10 |
thefamilygrover |
I dig the minetest classic fork |
| 04:10 |
VanessaE |
Guest44161: use the "Client" menu. |
| 04:10 |
* Menche |
plays minetest-classic |
| 04:10 |
thefamilygrover |
it's at least fast on my old laptop |
| 04:11 |
thefamilygrover |
unlike the new builds |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
in there, you just enter an address, port, name, and password, or you can get the public list by clicking the checkbox near the bottom of the menu |
| 04:11 |
Menche |
based on 0.3, but it's catching up feature-wise quickly |
| 04:11 |
Guest44161 |
just pic an address from the public server list? |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
that's all you gotta do, and put in a username and passwod |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
password* |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
make something up |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
just be sure you record it somewhere |
| 04:11 |
thefamilygrover |
use your banking password |
| 04:11 |
VanessaE |
NOT |
| 04:11 |
thefamilygrover |
bahaha |
| 04:12 |
Guest44161 |
but that'll be someone elses world correct/ a strangers world? |
| 04:12 |
VanessaE |
damn you are nuts tonight :) |
| 04:12 |
VanessaE |
Guest44161: yes. |
| 04:12 |
thefamilygrover |
exactly |
| 04:12 |
Menche |
it *is* stored as a hash on the server, not in plaintext |
| 04:12 |
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| 04:12 |
VanessaE |
you can start a server yourself in the "Server" menu. |
| 04:12 |
Guest44161 |
what if I just want to connect with him, not anyone else? |
| 04:12 |
VanessaE |
or you can connect to your son's machine by plugging in his LAN IP into the Address/Port field. |
| 04:13 |
thefamilygrover |
his has to be running obviously |
| 04:13 |
VanessaE |
as long as his server is up and is listening for connections (which it usually will be), you can connect to it just like any third-party server |
| 04:13 |
Guest44161 |
and i do this in the client tab? |
| 04:13 |
VanessaE |
yes. |
| 04:14 |
Guest44161 |
alright i gotta try this |
| 04:14 |
VanessaE |
you give his LAN IP, port (probably 30000) and then username and password. |
| 04:14 |
VanessaE |
as long as his server's up. |
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Guest44161 |
the ipv4 address is the correct address yes? 192.168.1.6 |
| 04:16 |
VanessaE |
should be |
| 04:17 |
VanessaE |
that's the LAN IP I mentioned. |
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Guest44161 |
i just wanted to make sure I was reading the correct number |
| 04:17 |
VanessaE |
yes |
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VanessaE |
as long as that's HIS address, not yours |
| 04:17 |
VanessaE |
make sure you start the server on his machine first of course. |
| 04:18 |
Guest44161 |
it came from his ipconfig results |
| 04:18 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 04:18 |
VanessaE |
then that's the right one |
| 04:19 |
Guest44161 |
it saw his number, so i double clicked it. it's taking its sweet time connecting i guess. |
| 04:19 |
VanessaE |
it's receiving media probably. |
| 04:20 |
VanessaE |
as long as it made it past the "Connecting" step |
| 04:20 |
Guest44161 |
so could i do this very same thing while he is at his moms house, on her pc? |
| 04:20 |
VanessaE |
sure |
| 04:20 |
Guest44161 |
could i hack her pc? |
| 04:20 |
VanessaE |
but you generally want to run one server somewhere that everyone connects to |
| 04:20 |
VanessaE |
I doubt it. |
| 04:21 |
Guest44161 |
its not past the connecting stage |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
is your son's minetest runninf? |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
running* |
| 04:21 |
Guest44161 |
yep |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
and it's open and in a world? |
| 04:21 |
Guest44161 |
yep |
| 04:21 |
VanessaE |
strange |
| 04:22 |
Guest44161 |
when i saw that is sees his ip, it did have some extra digits added to it... |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
the server probably did not start properly on the son's machine |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
sees his IP? |
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thefamilygrover |
either that or the port isn't open on his windows firewall |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
there's no confirmation that it can "see" an IP. |
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Guest44161 |
sorry, the extra digits are the port |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
don't put the port number in the same field as the Address |
| 04:23 |
Guest44161 |
it shows up on my favorites list |
| 04:23 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
| 04:23 |
VanessaE |
figured that might be it |
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Guest44161 |
let me try it again |
| 04:23 |
VanessaE |
check what thefamilygrover said, and then also check that you started the server on his box properly. |
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VanessaE |
(idk how win firewalls work) |
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thefamilygrover |
win 7 firewall is a beast |
| 04:24 |
VanessaE |
btw, why grover and not grog? |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
been watching sesame street? :) |
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thefamilygrover |
oh, practising my one-man band tonight |
| 04:25 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
| 04:25 |
thefamilygrover |
named Mississippi Grover |
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thefamilygrover |
man, does my machine ever work hard when it's compiling minetest |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
yup |
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thefamilygrover |
the fan is a whirring |
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* thefamilygrover |
is not compiling git |
| 04:26 |
VanessaE |
I do make -j8 and it still takes a few mins (six 2.8GHz cores) |
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thefamilygrover |
holy crap |
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Guest44161 |
okay, i had to change a number but ive got it now |
| 04:27 |
VanessaE |
Guest44161: you can connect to it? |
| 04:27 |
Guest44161 |
thanks Vanessa, and everyone else! |
| 04:27 |
VanessaE |
yay! |
| 04:27 |
VanessaE |
\o\ |
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Guest44161 |
yep im there |
| 04:27 |
Guest44161 |
this is cool! |
| 04:27 |
VanessaE |
/o/ |
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thefamilygrover |
you're welcome guest - have fun with yer boy |
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Guest44161 |
thanks y'all :) |
| 04:27 |
VanessaE |
you're welcome |
| 04:27 |
VanessaE |
Guest44161: come back when you're ready for the next step :) |
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thefamilygrover |
this machine is an old pentium D I recycled from work |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
(installing mods) |
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Guest44161 |
oh gosh, whats that? |
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thefamilygrover |
haha |
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thefamilygrover |
it has 5 GB of ram, but it's still a clunker |
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Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
give her the pentium D |
| 04:28 |
Guest44161 |
oh, okay. i have heard of them, I think my kid knows what they are |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
Guest44161: minetest has an extensive, well-documented, officially-sanctioned modding community |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
nearly anything you could want is probably available. |
| 04:28 |
VanessaE |
and if it ain't, you can code it |
| 04:29 |
Guest44161 |
i noticed that earlier. Anything huh? hehe |
| 04:29 |
VanessaE |
almost :) |
| 04:29 |
Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
yay theres a new episode of law and order - sexual victims unit |
| 04:29 |
VanessaE |
well don't expect to use your minetest install for Alchemy or lottery predictions.. :) |
| 04:29 |
Guest44161 |
i'll look into it tomorrow im sure. The kid is gonna be all over me on this now. |
| 04:30 |
VanessaE |
good luck |
| 04:30 |
VanessaE |
have fun |
| 04:30 |
VanessaE |
thefamilygrover: 5GB? |
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Guest44161 |
im signing out and heading to sleep. Thanks again y'all :) |
| 04:30 |
VanessaE |
good night, Guest44161 |
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thefamilygrover |
yes 5 |
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thefamilygrover |
something strange about that? |
| 04:31 |
VanessaE |
well I'm not used to seeing machines with an odd measure like that |
| 04:31 |
VanessaE |
4 or 6, but 5? seems strange |
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thefamilygrover |
recycled is the key word |
| 04:31 |
VanessaE |
right |
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VanessaE |
didn't think about that |
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thefamilygrover |
2+2+512+512 |
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* VanessaE |
imagines 5GB of old DIMMs stacked up :) |
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thefamilygrover |
It's my frankenputer |
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thefamilygrover |
If you're a fan of Game of Thrones, you need to watch this: http://youtu.be/5Krz-dyD-UQ |
| 04:33 |
VanessaE |
I used to work for a company years ago that made adapters for using old 30-pin SIMMs in machines designed for 72-pin parts, and I think they'd just started getting into DIMMs also |
| 04:33 |
VanessaE |
not into game of throns |
| 04:34 |
VanessaE |
thrones( |
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VanessaE |
*sigh* |
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How could my nickname be unavailable? |
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VanessaE |
good question. /ns release arsdragonfly |
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Menche |
or ghost or regain |
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arsdragonfly_ |
it says command unknown... |
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Menche |
/msg NickServ regain arsdragonfly [password] |
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Menche |
or /msg NickServ ghost arsdragonfly |
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arsdragonfly_ |
what's that feature about? |
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VanessaE |
bbl, bedtime |
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blue smarties for Dan D http://i.imgur.com/yneD89i.png |
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GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix object duplication bug (at least in the most reproducible UFO case) b3591019ad 2013-10-16T14:10:16-07:00 http://git.io/rLIxyA |
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GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Add sanity checks to vector functions e232f7311f 2013-10-16T23:42:57-07:00 http://git.io/cxo8Zw |
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GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Remove vector metatable setting 12504a18ec 2013-10-16T23:41:01-07:00 http://git.io/G6G5Kg |
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Good morning all; happy World Poverty Day and, of course, happy Ubuntu 13.10 Release Day! :-D |
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Evergreen |
Hello! |
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FreeFull |
Hi |
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kaeza |
mornings |
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sfan5 |
hi everyone |
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Dan_D |
Can wool be made back into string? |
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Dan_D |
Oh and afk |
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Dan_D |
? |
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kaeza |
¿ |
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Dan_D |
Can it? |
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Dan_D |
Basically, any way to get string other than growing even more cotton plants? |
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Dan_D |
Hellooooooo |
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Dan_D |
Any way to get string, other than cotton plants? |
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Dan_D |
Nio? |
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Dan_D |
*No? |
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PaulHarris |
sup |
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Dan_D |
VanessaE, you here? |
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VanessaE |
I am now |
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VanessaE |
just sat down *rubs eyes& |
| 14:15 |
Dan_D |
Can you install pushable block on your server? |
| 14:15 |
Dan_D |
It has more features than Pa'sminecart mod, and is inter-compatable |
| 14:15 |
Dan_D |
And is not as buggy |
| 14:16 |
VanessaE |
no |
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Dan_D |
Why? |
| 14:16 |
VanessaE |
because the server already has enough mods for now? :) |
| 14:16 |
Dan_D |
What? No way! |
| 14:17 |
Dan_D |
Never enough mods! |
| 14:18 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 14:18 |
Dan_D |
Really I mean it |
| 14:18 |
Dan_D |
I am re-vitalizing another mod right now, ready for use on YOUR server! |
| 14:18 |
VanessaE |
well seriously though, pushable block won't have any less bugs than minecarts, be cause most of that mod's deficiencies come from bugs in the way entities are handled, and from lag |
| 14:18 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 14:19 |
Dan_D |
How can I make a certain bit of code only load with a certain setting in a settings.txt? |
| 14:20 |
Dan_D |
And, in a bit, I may ask you to update Castle. Maybe. In a bit. |
| 14:21 |
VanessaE |
um |
| 14:21 |
Dan_D |
ie, something to do with getbool and a settings.txt? |
| 14:22 |
VanessaE |
if minetest.setting_getbool("my_setting") == somevalue then ....code..... end |
| 14:22 |
VanessaE |
that ^^^^ will look in minetest.conf |
| 14:22 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 14:22 |
Exio4 |
settings.txt? |
| 14:22 |
Exio4 |
wut |
| 14:22 |
VanessaE |
otherwise, just make your config file as a bunch of Lua variable = value expressions and dofile() it, |
| 14:23 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 14:23 |
VanessaE |
getbool tests for true/false though |
| 14:23 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
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VanessaE |
so somevalie has to be nil, false, or true |
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Dan_D |
So how o I make the lua file variant? |
| 14:23 |
Dan_D |
And how do I get the true/false value for it? |
| 14:28 |
VanessaE |
eh? |
| 14:29 |
VanessaE |
just put things like, |
| 14:29 |
VanessaE |
myvariable = true |
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VanessaE |
somesetting = "foo" |
| 14:29 |
VanessaE |
and then dofile it. |
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VanessaE |
literally, treat it as if it's just more Lua code. |
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Dan_D |
Ok |
| 14:30 |
VanessaE |
or use the minetest.conf method |
| 14:30 |
Dan_D |
Ok... |
| 14:30 |
VanessaE |
minetest.setting_get("foo") and minetest.setting_getbool("bar") |
| 14:30 |
VanessaE |
the former gets any value, the latter is for true/false (hence, boolean) |
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Dan_D |
Still won't seem to work. I will pastebin. |
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Dan_D |
http://pastebin.com/HMUHcbPM |
| 14:34 |
Dan_D |
It just has no effect |
| 14:37 |
Dan_D |
Hello? |
| 14:38 |
VanessaE |
Dan_D: btw, it was Sokomine who added those decorations to the reactor building. |
| 14:38 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 14:38 |
VanessaE |
so they stay, as she and Shadow built it originally. |
| 14:38 |
Dan_D |
But why won't the above code work? |
| 14:38 |
Dan_D |
Although I made the building |
| 14:38 |
VanessaE |
oh right, yes you did, |
| 14:38 |
Dan_D |
But about the code, it works without all the settings stuff. |
| 14:38 |
VanessaE |
well anyway work it out with her and Shadow, |
| 14:39 |
VanessaE |
about the code... |
| 14:39 |
Dan_D |
I don't mind, wasjust saying incase of griefing |
| 14:39 |
VanessaE |
well if the setting is not present in the config, I guess it'll be false by defauly |
| 14:39 |
Dan_D |
But it is there in the init.lua |
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VanessaE |
that doesn't matter. |
| 14:40 |
VanessaE |
that ^^^ call only reads from minetest.conf |
| 14:40 |
Dan_D |
minetest.setting_get doesn't either |
| 14:40 |
VanessaE |
the whole purpose of it is to let you define game-wide settings |
| 14:40 |
VanessaE |
both of those calls, silly |
| 14:40 |
Dan_D |
doesn't work I mean |
| 14:40 |
Dan_D |
SO how do I make it work? |
| 14:40 |
VanessaE |
I just told you |
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Dan_D |
Err, no. |
| 14:41 |
VanessaE |
they only read from minetest.conf |
| 14:41 |
VanessaE |
so put your setting there. |
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Dan_D |
Oh right |
| 14:41 |
VanessaE |
duh :) |
| 14:41 |
VanessaE |
oh excuse me, derp :P |
| 14:41 |
VanessaE |
(gotta keep with the times ;) ) |
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Dan_D |
Nope, still has no effect |
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Dan_D |
So, now what? Just make it non-configurable I guess. |
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VanessaE |
so now you debug your code of course. |
| 14:44 |
VanessaE |
just because it isn't working for you yet doesn't mean it won't. |
| 14:44 |
VanessaE |
you're just doing it wrong. |
| 14:45 |
Dan_D |
Everything works fine, just adding that settings thing stops the code having any effect |
| 14:45 |
VanessaE |
minetest.conf --> my_setting = true |
| 14:45 |
Dan_D |
Nope, as I said, no effect |
| 14:45 |
VanessaE |
if minetest.setting_getbool("my_setting") then..... code.... end |
| 14:45 |
Dan_D |
And I won't bother, unless the mod can automatically add that to minetest.conf |
| 14:46 |
VanessaE |
then just set it as a normal variable at the top of init.lua and compare it like any other variable. |
| 14:46 |
VanessaE |
or like I said already, put your settings in a separate config file, dofile() them, and do your comparisons like normal |
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Dan_D |
That is what I have been trying to do the whole f**cking time! |
| 14:46 |
VanessaE |
look at how piprworks and moretrees do it. |
| 14:46 |
Dan_D |
I have and don't understand a bit of it |
| 14:47 |
VanessaE |
ok one more time: |
| 14:47 |
Dan_D |
Don't bother |
| 14:47 |
VanessaE |
Put. your. settings. in. a. separate. file. |
| 14:47 |
VanessaE |
dofile() it. |
| 14:47 |
VanessaE |
compare your variables like normal. |
| 14:47 |
VanessaE |
that's it! |
| 14:47 |
VanessaE |
that's all you have to freakin do :) |
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Dan_D |
But I don't know how to compare them for god's sake! |
| 14:48 |
VanessaE |
yes you do |
| 14:48 |
VanessaE |
you do it all the time already |
| 14:48 |
VanessaE |
if my_variable == some value then ...code... end |
| 14:48 |
VanessaE |
derp. |
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Dan_D |
That is what I did, and it HAD NO EFFECT! LIKE I TOLDYOU! |
| 14:49 |
VanessaE |
then you never loaded the setting. |
| 14:49 |
VanessaE |
you have to dofile() the settings before you try to use them. |
| 14:49 |
VanessaE |
and if it had no effect that's because you're doing it wrong |
| 14:50 |
VanessaE |
show me some code where you're trying to dofile() the variables. |
| 14:50 |
VanessaE |
and I can tell you where it went wrong |
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Dan_D |
What do you meandofile it?Dofile to the new code, or settings,or what? |
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* VanessaE |
pours a bucket of water on dan's overheating head to cool him off |
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VanessaE |
I mean, mymod = minetest.get_modpath("name of the mod") ; dofile(mymod.."/my_settings_file.txt") |
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Dan_D |
I never knew you could dofile a settings.txt, I thought it only worked for lua. |
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VanessaE |
it works for any file as long as what it contains is valid Lua code |
| 14:53 |
VanessaE |
the file extension does not matter. |
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Dan_D |
Right, NOW it works. |
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Exio4 |
. |
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Exio4 |
oh man |
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VanessaE |
Dan_D: as I said before, derp. :) |
| 14:56 |
Dan_D |
No, you hadn't properly explained |
| 14:56 |
VanessaE |
or as Robin Williams so eloquently put it, "Fucking DUH!" :) |
| 14:56 |
VanessaE |
yes I did |
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VanessaE |
you just didn't understand. |
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Dan_D |
I have to go |
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VanessaE |
G*D DAMN IT! |
| 14:56 |
VanessaE |
I HATE WHEN PEOPLE DO THAT@! |
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Jordach |
</rage> |
| 14:57 |
Jordach |
and here we see - the natural home of VanessaE, raging over people leaving |
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VanessaE |
hah |
| 14:58 |
VanessaE |
no, merely raging over people who can't be bothered to make time for a discussion that they themselves initiated |
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Exio4 |
i don't understand how you didn't say "meh, get the fuck out and try to read properly" |
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Exio4 |
you have too much patience |
| 14:59 |
* Jordach |
hands VanessaE a 52 card deck |
| 14:59 |
Exio4 |
zat: lamefun was a guy that came here saying JS > Lua for a modding api and shits like that |
| 14:59 |
Jordach |
now play patience |
| 15:00 |
Exio4 |
suggested switching from lua to js would be the way to go, he said! :P |
| 15:01 |
zat |
Would be a good idea |
| 15:01 |
VanessaE |
there's a REASON I'm that patient |
| 15:01 |
VanessaE |
because so many others here are not. |
| 15:02 |
VanessaE |
zat: lamefun believes that open source is dead, that javascript and HTML5 will be all there is, and that only large corps should be allowed to code |
| 15:02 |
zat |
open source dead? |
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| 15:02 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 15:02 |
zat |
come on, no more tumors plz |
| 15:02 |
kaeza |
lol |
| 15:03 |
zat |
However, HTML5 and Javascript are both open technologies... |
| 15:03 |
zat |
And Javscript is not only meant for browsers. |
| 15:03 |
pitriss |
please is possible to pass more variables into minetest.register_on_chat_message() ? |
| 15:03 |
kaeza |
zat, BTW, from Chile? :3 |
| 15:03 |
zat |
Yes I am kaeza |
| 15:04 |
VanessaE |
zat: the problem is compiling. He doesn't think stuff should need to be compiled to the degree that e.g. C++ is |
| 15:04 |
VanessaE |
and that those not-really-compiled languages like js are every bit as fast as C++ |
| 15:04 |
zat |
VanessaE: Suggest him to live coding in Java then |
| 15:04 |
zat |
...in a big corporation. |
| 15:04 |
VanessaE |
one day I think he'll learn. |
| 15:05 |
zat |
Sounds like python fanboys that say python is superior to C. |
| 15:05 |
VanessaE |
hah |
| 15:05 |
VanessaE |
hardly. |
| 15:05 |
zat |
and refuse to understand python interpreter IS made in C |
| 15:05 |
zat |
They even make comparisons of Python vs C LOL |
| 15:06 |
kaeza |
everything ends up in the same pool anyway: machine code |
| 15:06 |
VanessaE |
exactly |
| 15:06 |
VanessaE |
unless you've got a CPU that can natively execute java or something... |
| 15:06 |
zat |
My gf says she is going to learn python everytime she wants to annoy me |
| 15:07 |
VanessaE |
and even THEN there's still a low-level machine code running in the CPU for that (i.e. microcode) |
| 15:07 |
Jordach |
Python is coded in binary |
| 15:07 |
Jordach |
:> |
| 15:07 |
zat |
All is binary... |
| 15:08 |
zat |
except things outside computer... |
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zat |
Well, talking about the Javascript thing, sure would be interesting but I don’t know the implications of including something like v8. |
| 15:12 |
zat |
V8 is not strictly free. |
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| 15:17 |
NakedFury |
V8 is also a delicious juice drink. Also not free. |
| 15:18 |
zat |
e |
| 15:20 |
Exio4 |
zat: his idea was that luajit, the way for making lua fast, is a dead thing based on the fact that is "somewhat" an one-man project instead of a corp-sponsored proj |
| 15:20 |
Exio4 |
yet i'm against using JS |
| 15:20 |
zat |
bah, PHP was a one-man project for long... look at it now. |
| 15:20 |
zat |
A good reason to be against JS Exio4? |
| 15:20 |
VanessaE |
yes, that too Exio4 |
| 15:20 |
zat |
JS is just a language... |
| 15:21 |
Exio4 |
this rant is a short of what i mostly think http://sealedabstract.com/rants/why-mobile-web-apps-are-slow/ |
| 15:21 |
Exio4 |
not mine tho |
| 15:23 |
Exio4 |
i think it is a general problem |
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zat |
At a quick glance seems that all thats about is that JS is slower than a compiled language, a fact we all know. |
| 15:24 |
Exio4 |
http://exio4.com.ar/mt/sapier/performance_comparison_pathfinding.pdf |
| 15:24 |
reactor |
o/ |
| 15:24 |
Exio4 |
luajit ends is in the a complex case, faster than COMPILED (but unoptimized) C++ |
| 15:25 |
Exio4 |
anyway |
| 15:25 |
reactor |
Why not use C? |
| 15:25 |
Exio4 |
i don't like its syntax much either, and yet it seems too complex for a modding api |
| 15:25 |
reactor |
Come on, it's a UNIX game. |
| 15:25 |
kaeza |
JS is not bad per-se; as python, it has it's uses, but people tend to use these for the wrong things |
| 15:26 |
Exio4 |
true kaeza |
| 15:26 |
reactor |
If people can not learn C, they should stay away from computers. |
| 15:26 |
Exio4 |
reactor: C means compiled, aka non-portable mods between different archs, and yet it means harder-to-write-mods-to, if you want an example, look at the log of today, Dan_D |
| 15:27 |
reactor |
If people can not learn FORTRAN, let alone C* |
| 15:27 |
kaeza |
lol fortran |
| 15:27 |
reactor |
So what, compile mods like you compile ghe game. |
| 15:27 |
zat |
that concept is terribly wrong Exio4. C is portable between archs. |
| 15:27 |
reactor |
s/ghe/the/ |
| 15:27 |
Exio4 |
i mean binary-portable |
| 15:27 |
reactor |
What, FORTRAN is easier than C. |
| 15:27 |
Exio4 |
can you run x86 binaries under ARM? |
| 15:28 |
zat |
Better say, C needs to be compiled, that is all |
| 15:28 |
Exio4 |
or x86_64 under mips? ;) |
| 15:28 |
reactor |
Why not compile mods? |
| 15:28 |
reactor |
You still have to compile the game. |
| 15:28 |
Exio4 |
most people here doesn't compile the game but uses pre-compiled binaries |
| 15:28 |
zat |
Exio4: C is portable, it is a language... if you compile something for a single architecture, THAT is not portable. |
| 15:28 |
reactor |
If the game itself was interpreted language, that would make sense. |
| 15:28 |
kaeza |
using C for the mod API would only make sense if you had more control over the engine |
| 15:28 |
reactor |
So what, developers will make pre-compiled images. |
| 15:28 |
kaeza |
otherwise it's kust restricted like what we have now |
| 15:28 |
Exio4 |
zat: i know |
| 15:28 |
reactor |
Like they do for the game. |
| 15:28 |
reactor |
Eh. |
| 15:29 |
kaeza |
just* |
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| 15:30 |
zat |
Make a well abstracted C++ API for mods, have an official repository of the mods, binary compatible, in i686 and x86_64, from where the game can fetch the mods. |
| 15:30 |
Exio4 |
reactor: x86_64 build, x86 build, arm build, mips build, etc |
| 15:30 |
reactor |
So bloody what? |
| 15:30 |
Exio4 |
you can run the server under an arm server without problems |
| 15:30 |
Exio4 |
er |
| 15:30 |
reactor |
You distribute compiled MT for each arch. |
| 15:30 |
reactor |
So what's the big deal? |
| 15:30 |
Exio4 |
i mean, for developing |
| 15:30 |
kaeza |
the main issue with MT ATM, is the lack of more client-side prediction |
| 15:31 |
reactor |
Besides, I heard there are C interpreters. |
| 15:31 |
kaeza |
even if you created a C++ mod API, everything is server-side |
| 15:31 |
reactor |
Oh, the clients need to execute parts of the mod? |
| 15:31 |
Exio4 |
yeah |
| 15:32 |
reactor |
Well, eh. |
| 15:32 |
Exio4 |
that would be the easier way for making the client-side prediction, reactor |
| 15:32 |
reactor |
There are interpreted languages with C-like syntax, afaik. |
| 15:32 |
kaeza |
reactor, yes |
| 15:32 |
kaeza |
AngelScript |
| 15:32 |
reactor |
Or even C interpreters. |
| 15:33 |
reactor |
What OS do most MT players use? |
| 15:33 |
kaeza |
$hitdows ? |
| 15:33 |
zat |
Wintendo*! |
| 15:33 |
reactor |
You're kidding, right? |
| 15:33 |
Exio4 |
no |
| 15:34 |
Exio4 |
btw |
| 15:34 |
Exio4 |
there are only x86 minetest windows build in minetest.net |
| 15:34 |
reactor |
I thought Wintendo users play Minecraft, as they are ignorant. |
| 15:34 |
Exio4 |
lol |
| 15:34 |
kaeza |
hah |
| 15:34 |
reactor |
Right... because UNIX users should know how to compile. |
| 15:35 |
Exio4 |
suddenly: ubuntu |
| 15:35 |
reactor |
And C should be familar to UNIX users. |
| 15:36 |
reactor |
Exio4: yeah. Ubuntu is a problem. |
| 15:36 |
zat |
What got this to do with *using* mods. |
| 15:37 |
zat |
Developers are the ones to be familiar with C. |
| 15:37 |
reactor |
Nothing. |
| 15:37 |
reactor |
But that would make it easier for users to edit them. |
| 15:40 |
zat |
Users would not even touch lua code |
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reactor |
Yes. Just because it's unfamiliar to most. |
| 15:43 |
zat |
I think you should not assume users can code, assume users can just play and click on guis |
| 15:44 |
reactor |
Those monkeys who _just_ click on guis weren't supposed to be using computers, at all. |
| 15:45 |
reactor |
s/weren't/aren't/ |
| 15:45 |
zat |
You are calling my mom a monkey. |
| 15:45 |
reactor |
Because of them we've run out of Internet numbers. |
| 15:45 |
werwerwer_ |
i personally would prefer modify hardly understandible lua, than well known C which i need to compile after that |
| 15:45 |
zat |
and leaving her with no rights to use her netbook for her job |
| 15:46 |
reactor |
Alright. Not monkeys. But who said jobs that do not have to do anything with mathematics should rely on computers? |
| 15:46 |
Exio4 |
it is now used like a cell phone |
| 15:48 |
reactor |
Ha. Those who use computers only like a cell phone would definitely not play any game that is as complex. |
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zat |
reactor: so writers, historians and graphical designers should not rely in computers? |
| 15:50 |
zat |
horrible logic~ |
| 15:50 |
FreeFull |
Users in general isn't very specific |
| 15:50 |
FreeFull |
Every kind of software will have a different set of users |
| 15:51 |
reactor |
zat: yes, humanitarians aren't supposed to touch technology. It becomes worse every time they do touch it. |
| 15:51 |
reactor |
They're our plague. |
| 15:51 |
twoelk |
worse for whom? |
| 15:51 |
zat |
for his ego for sure |
| 15:51 |
reactor |
For programmers. |
| 15:52 |
Exio4 |
http://i.imgur.com/UUKkglJ.jpg |
| 15:52 |
twoelk |
ah cars should only be driven by technic experts |
| 15:52 |
zat |
Most pedantic nerds think similarly. |
| 15:52 |
twoelk |
books shpuld only be read by poets |
| 15:52 |
reactor |
Don't you call me one. |
| 15:52 |
Exio4 |
what is your age btw? |
| 15:52 |
reactor |
twoelk: when they aren't, they get worse. |
| 15:52 |
twoelk |
food should uonly be eaten by cooks |
| 15:53 |
reactor |
You see what they've made to cars, too. |
| 15:54 |
reactor |
s/made/done/ |
| 15:54 |
twoelk |
irc should only be used by those that can spell .... oops |
| 15:54 |
reactor |
Well, not experts. But at least _knowing_ what they do. |
| 15:54 |
reactor |
Most don't know what they do. |
| 15:54 |
zat |
Yes, they should all be as superior as you |
| 15:54 |
zat |
;= |
| 15:54 |
zat |
;) |
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reactor |
I'm talking from abstract point of view, zat. |
| 15:55 |
Exio4 |
if people actually read messages that there are, i would be fine |
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| 15:56 |
Evolykane |
Hi |
| 15:56 |
twoelk |
so if minetest should only be played by those that understand the code ... we have how many players? |
| 15:56 |
Exio4 |
well, i don't know how to say the shit |
| 15:56 |
Exio4 |
hi Evolykane |
| 15:56 |
kaeza |
hi Evolykane |
| 15:56 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 15:56 |
Evolykane |
what are you discussing about? |
| 15:56 |
twoelk |
oh wait most coders hardly play the game regulary |
| 15:56 |
VanessaE |
random :) |
| 15:56 |
Evolykane |
Ok |
| 15:56 |
Exio4 |
if we like kittens or not |
| 15:56 |
kaeza |
offtopic, as always |
| 15:57 |
kaeza |
Minetest is offtopic in #minetest ,didn't you know? |
| 15:57 |
Evolykane |
Hm maby I make a how to Code Mods for Mintest Video |
| 15:57 |
kaeza |
:P |
| 15:57 |
VanessaE |
If you think you can do it, go for it |
| 15:59 |
Evolykane |
It would be a promotion for my Channel, If my Video whould be put onto the Homepage and Minetest would have more Persons who could Code |
| 15:59 |
Evolykane |
The Problem is my bad english, I'm german |
| 16:00 |
VanessaE |
publish your video in the forum |
| 16:00 |
zat |
subtitles |
| 16:00 |
zat |
lol |
| 16:00 |
Exio4 |
my english is shit too! |
| 16:00 |
reactor |
The scene with subtitles in Austin Powers. |
| 16:00 |
* Exio4 |
highfives Evolykane |
| 16:01 |
reactor |
Error. |
| 16:01 |
reactor |
I mean, the scene from Austin Powers mocking subtitles. |
| 16:01 |
* Evolykane |
goes crazy |
| 16:04 |
reactor |
Evolykane: would you like to talk about it? |
| 16:04 |
Evolykane |
Hm, ok |
| 16:06 |
Evolykane |
I understand the source code of mintest (C++) better than the Lua Api, How can you make GUI changes in this dhamn Lua |
| 16:06 |
VanessaE |
via formspecs |
| 16:06 |
VanessaE |
and HUD commands/code |
| 16:07 |
Evolykane |
NI |
| 16:12 |
VanessaE |
NI? |
| 16:13 |
Evolykane |
No Idea |
| 16:13 |
VanessaE |
oh |
| 16:13 |
reactor |
Right, Evolykane. LUA is obscure. |
| 16:13 |
VanessaE |
well that's how it's done. |
| 16:13 |
zat |
search for formspec minetest |
| 16:13 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt |
| 16:13 |
zat |
in a search engine lol |
| 16:13 |
VanessaE |
formspecs are explained to some degree there |
| 16:13 |
Evolykane |
An API ducomentation? |
| 16:13 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 16:13 |
VanessaE |
minetest has an official modding API |
| 16:13 |
VanessaE |
this ain't minecraft. |
| 16:13 |
zat |
I think: minetest.show_formspect("size[5,5] label[0,0;ROFLOL]"); |
| 16:14 |
zat |
I mean: minetest.show_formspec("size[5,5] label[0,0;ROFLOL]"); |
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kaeza |
actually, minetest.show_formspec(player_name, form_name, "size[5,5] label[0,0;ROFLOL]") |
| 16:19 |
zat |
I forgot the first two D: |
| 16:20 |
kaeza |
form_name is useful when you have more than one form using the same button names, or just to check if this form is our form when receiving the fields |
| 16:21 |
kaeza |
this can also help a bit: https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-stress |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
| 16:28 |
NakedFury |
hello to you |
| 16:28 |
zat |
Hi Pilz. |
| 16:29 |
reactor |
"hi2u" |
| 16:29 |
reactor |
s/hi/hai/ |
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VanessaE |
hey Pilz. ;) |
| 16:36 |
Exio4 |
hi PilzAdam |
| 16:36 |
Exio4 |
writing "Pi" and pressing tab is faster than "Pilz" |
| 16:36 |
reactor |
Shit. |
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NakedFury |
ohh nice it works |
| 16:36 |
NakedFury |
so thats how you autocomplete names |
| 16:37 |
reactor |
Only now I realised he's PilzAdam not PlizAdam. |
| 16:38 |
Exio4 |
NakedFury: didn't you know? :P |
| 16:38 |
NakedFury |
I cant do the same 2 letter+tab for vanessa |
| 16:38 |
NakedFury |
no. you thought me something useful |
| 16:38 |
VanessaE |
Exio4: way to spoil the joke :) |
| 16:38 |
NakedFury |
Professor Exio4 |
| 16:40 |
reactor |
Processor. |
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Evolykane |
Pilz hates it if you call him Pilz \(^.^)/ (:-P) |
| 16:42 |
reactor |
I thought his name was a pun on "Please". |
| 16:43 |
reactor |
Adam, please! |
| 16:43 |
Evolykane |
Pilz is moushroom in english |
| 16:45 |
reactor |
German? |
| 16:45 |
VanessaE |
yes, which was the joke :) |
| 16:45 |
VanessaE |
I was just teasing. way to totally kill it. |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
[10-17 12:11] <celeron55> i'm okay with removing the automatically generated names |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
[10-17 12:38] <proller> just dont allow to start connecting without filling name |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
[10-17 12:39] <celeron55> that's the KISS solution and will work |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
gah, wrong channel. |
| 16:47 |
Jordach |
NakedFury, quassel auto complete does the first nick to speak, so if i do Va then tab, VanessaE comes first then Vadtec |
| 16:48 |
Jordach |
quassel is way better than x-chat, i don't see why people are using it |
| 16:48 |
Jordach |
aren't* |
| 16:48 |
reactor |
graphical IRC clients are crap. |
| 16:48 |
Jordach |
the core can even be used like a bouncer |
| 16:48 |
reactor |
Who needs GUI to do that. |
| 16:48 |
Exio4 |
weechat > quassel |
| 16:49 |
Exio4 |
Jordach: does quassel have a scripting api? |
| 16:49 |
PilzAdam |
xchat > weechat, thus xchat > quassel |
| 16:49 |
Exio4 |
did you ever use weechat? :P |
| 16:50 |
PilzAdam |
why would I use inferior software? |
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Exio4 |
for being able to say it is inferior? |
| 16:51 |
Jordach |
jesus fuck; april 2012: logged in 140 times in one day |
| 16:51 |
reactor |
And who's the nerd? |
| 16:52 |
* Jordach |
says goodbye to the FPS; http://i.imgur.com/WScbi4Z.png |
| 16:52 |
reactor |
Hah. |
| 16:52 |
reactor |
Thanks for reminding me. |
| 16:52 |
reactor |
The texture of player's hand is ugly. |
| 16:53 |
* Jordach |
is also grumpy at the school machines: they can handle minetest on Intel HD 2000 at 1080p on OpenGL with all the settings, and with 60fps |
| 16:53 |
reactor |
Looks like it hasn't been maintained for ages. |
| 16:53 |
reactor |
I mean, the hand. |
| 16:54 |
Jordach |
reactor, minetest-classic: http://stuff.ltmnet.com/images/mt/arm2.png |
| 16:55 |
reactor |
I'm fine with flat hand. I'm talking about the texture. |
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reactor |
It doesn't even look like a hand. |
| 16:55 |
jemadux |
is there some difference with minecraft ? |
| 16:56 |
kaeza |
MT is to MC as Windows is to Unix |
| 16:56 |
kaeza |
:) |
| 16:56 |
reactor |
How MTC is different from MT? |
| 16:56 |
reactor |
s/MTC is/is MTC/ |
| 16:56 |
kaeza |
the other way around, but you get the point |
| 16:58 |
Jordach |
reactor, less buggy, faster |
| 16:58 |
Jordach |
and mobs |
| 16:58 |
reactor |
kaeza: mk |
| 16:58 |
reactor |
Oops. |
| 16:58 |
reactor |
Jordach: mk. |
| 16:58 |
reactor |
Is the map format compatible? |
| 16:58 |
Jordach |
no |
| 16:58 |
reactor |
Is there worldedit? |
| 16:59 |
Jordach |
no |
| 16:59 |
reactor |
Is there possibilty of porting maps from MC? |
| 16:59 |
Jordach |
no |
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| 16:59 |
reactor |
Pwned. |
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| 16:59 |
reactor |
Jordach: gotcha. |
| 16:59 |
Jordach |
remind me to disable ShadowBot later |
| 16:59 |
Exio4 |
we both have WE |
| 17:00 |
Jordach |
s/disable/Syn flood |
| 17:00 |
Jordach |
im joking |
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rubenwardy |
Hi all |
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kaeza |
hey rubenwardy |
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markveidemanis |
he kicks? |
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jemadux |
where to find coil on minetest |
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jemadux |
s/coil/coal |
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kaeza |
underground |
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jemadux |
thanks |
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jemadux |
kaeza: when u say undergound ? |
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VanessaE |
dig for it. |
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VanessaE |
it can be found in fairly shallow ground, embedded in stone. |
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Jordach |
diggy diggy hole |
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jemadux |
i think that i will try to play mc |
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reactor |
john_minetest: o/ |
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rubenwardy |
bye all |
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Dan_D |
Anyone here good with HUDs? |
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Dan_D |
If so, can someone tell me what to change in this code to make it be at the top-right of the screen instead of bottom left? Thanks! https://github.com/DanDuncombe/bubblegumgps PS The mod is by leetelate |
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Dan_D |
Never mind, worked it out now |
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Mossmanikin |
Hi folks |
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Dan_D |
Can a moderator move this to mod releases please? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=114617#p114617 |
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sapier1 |
Dan_D there's a move request thread in releases |
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Dan_D |
But no-one ever moves my threads if I ask there |
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sapier1 |
do they complie to requirements for beeing moved? |
| 19:21 |
Dan_D |
Yes, I think so |
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Dan_D |
Although I have forgotten to add depends to the above topic |
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sapier1 |
add it ... I don't know how fast moderators are but they won't check twice if it wasn't correct once |
| 19:24 |
Dan_D |
I have added Depends now |
| 19:25 |
sapier1 |
ok seems core devs have become lazy the last months ... I just can't blame them I haven't had that much time the last weeks too |
| 19:26 |
Dan_D |
With the above mod, how would I go about making it so that you only get the gps screen when holding something like bubblegumgps:gps |
| 19:26 |
PilzAdam |
sapier1, not having time has nothing to do with lazyness |
| 19:27 |
sapier1 |
to ppl not knowing what's case it usually has same effect ;-) |
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PilzAdam |
not typing out words like "people" is lazyness |
| 19:27 |
sapier1 |
no its efficiency |
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sapier1 |
;-) |
| 19:27 |
Evergreen |
Hi Mossmanikin |
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sapier1 |
but we both aren't native english speakers maybe we schouldn't discuss about bias of some words ;-) |
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Jordach |
hey Evergreen |
| 19:29 |
Evergreen |
I'm sorry to anyone who talks like this, but I hate it when people talk like texts |
| 19:29 |
Evergreen |
Like using "U" instead of "you" |
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VanessaE |
indeed |
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PilzAdam |
y u no like? |
| 19:29 |
Evergreen |
^ Prime example right there |
| 19:29 |
Mossmanikin |
Evergreen: Hi Evergreen :) |
| 19:30 |
Evergreen |
I don't know, must be OCD or something |
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us{0gb |
sapier1, no, it's laziness. |
| 19:31 |
sapier1 |
ok I studied science of lazyness so thats obviously fine for me ;-) |
| 19:31 |
us{0gb |
THat, and it makes it hard to read. |
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Peacock |
i wouldn't talk about lazyness lol how many people here have jobs? :P |
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sapier1 |
I do ;-P |
| 19:31 |
us{0gb |
I have a job. And school. |
| 19:31 |
Peacock |
you're in the minority :P |
| 19:32 |
us{0gb |
Yeah, I'm a minority for several other reasons as well. Nothing new. |
| 19:32 |
VanessaE |
I don't care for txt speak either, but I find myself using it a lot lately. |
| 19:32 |
sapier1 |
ok so I'm the lazy guy with job and master degree in science of lazyness ... :-) perfect |
| 19:32 |
VanessaE |
laziness, mostly. |
| 19:32 |
Peacock |
rba and hmm work too, but apart from that, can't name many off the top of my head lol |
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us{0gb |
I think I saw something about Celeron having a job, but I'm not sure. |
| 19:33 |
Peacock |
besides, people use shortcuts for a variety of reasons, among others, RSI |
| 19:33 |
us{0gb |
WHat is "RSI"? |
| 19:33 |
Peacock |
repetitive strain injury |
| 19:33 |
Peacock |
(carpel tunnel, cysts, etc.) |
| 19:34 |
us{0gb |
Okay, you have a point with that one, but I don't think people take that into account usually. |
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Peacock |
another reason, this is a game, so people are on the leisure time, not writing formal correspondence :p |
| 19:34 |
us{0gb |
Unless repetitive strain injury is the reason you're doing it, you can't use it as an excuse. |
| 19:35 |
us{0gb |
That second one is not a valid excuse. |
| 19:35 |
Peacock |
i switch the mouse on each side every other week because of RSI :P |
| 19:35 |
sapier1 |
"people" is a word whos keyboard placement is way toooo different to ppl |
| 19:35 |
Peacock |
it's perfectly valid, that people use their leisure time to be anal about others' typing habits, now that seems somewhat sadder :P |
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us{0gb |
It makes it very hard to read. SO while you are not spending as much time typing, you're making others spend more time deciphering what you wrote. |
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us{0gb |
*So |
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sapier1 |
I'd have to correct that damn word 3 times to get it right once ;-) |
| 19:36 |
Peacock |
no one's forcing you to read text you find ill formed :P |
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Peacock |
you can always play the game, ignore them, play another game lol |
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Dan_D |
How do I get the wielded item? |
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us{0gb |
And if I ignore ill-formed text, I can't follow the conversation, so yeah, basically they are. |
| 19:37 |
Jordach |
~4 weeks until OpenShot for windows! |
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us{0gb |
Dan_D, hold on, I'll look it up. |
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Peacock |
maybe you're just incapable of having a good time :P |
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Jordach |
BlockMen, #minetest-classic |
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BlockMen |
Jordach, https://www.dropbox.com/s/m45xvbyywhtxw1j/minetest-classic-17102013.zip |
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Dan_D |
Thanks |
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Jordach |
oh, thanks |
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us{0gb |
I have a good time, I just don't find hard-to-read text to be a good time. |
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sapier1 |
player:get_wielded_item() |
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Dan_D |
Thanks |
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Jordach |
you're lucky BlockMen |
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Jordach |
i almost got it to work |
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Jordach |
i just needed jthread.lib |
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Peacock |
well if youre not having a good time why subject yourself to it or anyone else to lectures about it? there are other leisure activities :P |
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Menche |
isn't jthread bundled with it? |
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BlockMen |
Jordach, since when are you building too? |
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sapier1 |
yes you can't use system jthread with minetest |
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us{0gb |
I'm not lecturing. I'm siding with Evergreen. |
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sapier1 |
minetest has some modifications to it |
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us{0gb |
Evergreen made a statement, I agreed, then explained my reasoning. Nothing more. |
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Peacock |
well being anal about typing habits dont really change typing habits, it just makes people seek out happier communities elsewhere :P |
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us{0gb |
I don't get on people about typing habits unless someone brings it up. |
| 19:39 |
BlockMen |
oh..and what is my zobie doin Jordach? :P |
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BlockMen |
+m |
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us{0gb |
I fail to see how that is being "anal". |
| 19:40 |
sapier1 |
I see good reasons for evergreens opinion too :-) but I'm still to lazy to change my way of typing ppl |
| 19:40 |
Evergreen |
I shouldn't have brought it up |
| 19:40 |
Evergreen |
:P |
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Peacock |
in any case, geeks being anal about anything and everything ain't exactly new lol |
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us{0gb |
No worries. THis things should be discussed. |
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us{0gb |
*these |
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Peacock |
i fail to see how anal should be in quotes, it's common vernacular for ppl with social lives lol |
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Peacock |
and coworkers XD |
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us{0gb |
I fail to see how stubbornness has anything to do with the anus. Hence, the quotes. |
| 19:42 |
Peacock |
ever heard the expression having a stick up one's ass, that's what being anal is |
| 19:43 |
Peacock |
you just take it too literally :P |
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Menche |
lol |
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us{0gb |
Yea, I've heard it, and I rather dislike that phrase. Stubborness has nothing to do with heads up asses. |
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* Menche |
never got that phrase either |
| 19:43 |
us{0gb |
In fact, stubbornness is often a good thing. A head up an ass in not. |
| 19:43 |
Peacock |
having one's head up one's ass means cluelessness, having a stick up one's ass means they take issue with everything/anything |
| 19:44 |
Peacock |
yeah how's that stubborness working out for your gov't ? :P |
| 19:44 |
us{0gb |
When someone says someone else's head is up their ass, it's usually because the sayer doesn't want to make a valid argument but wants to win the argument anyway. |
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Peacock |
oh yeah it's definately ad hominem, fact remains, taking the time to point out ppl should be typed as people, is nonetheless, still anal lol |
| 19:45 |
us{0gb |
They also use phrases such as "you need to grow up" for the same purpose. |
| 19:45 |
us{0gb |
I disagree. |
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Peacock |
grown up people don't have time to waste correcting spelling and grammar, they got way more going on lol |
| 19:46 |
us{0gb |
THough I wouldn't do it myself, I appreciate when others point that out. |
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us{0gb |
Accidental spelling and grammar are one thing. Intentional misspelling is another, and is worth pointing out. |
| 19:47 |
us{0gb |
I have grown weary of pointing it out myself, but I'll defend anyone else who still will. |
| 19:47 |
Peacock |
well, people can be as anal as they want, it's a free country, though it hasn't escaped my notice that the community seems to be shrinking, or at least, not growing :P |
| 19:50 |
Evergreen |
Btw Peacock, it just annoys me personally when someone does that, go on doing it if you want to |
| 19:50 |
us{0gb |
Exactly. YOu are free to do it, but we are free to find it annoying. |
| 19:51 |
Peacock |
i know im just saying you dont have to point it out, people are on their free time here, it becomes somewhat less leisurely when they're being corrected like a teacher does with her pupil lol |
| 19:51 |
Peacock |
cant speak for you guys, but i wouldn;t waste my time talking with people i find annoying :P |
| 19:52 |
us{0gb |
You are putting it in our faces every time you use one of those intentionally misspelled words. Telling you about it is just returning the favor. |
| 19:53 |
us{0gb |
Finding something someone does annoying doesn't mean that person is completely not worth hanging out with. Only that they have an annoying habit. |
| 19:53 |
Peacock |
pointing it out gives a whiff of superiority complex |
| 19:53 |
us{0gb |
Also, there are some people here who don't do it, so avoiding this place would mean avoiding people who are not being annoying. |
| 19:54 |
Peacock |
naw, you just dont need to respond to the specific person... you must get annoyed by alot of people IRL lol |
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us{0gb |
That may be. But I'll stand up for those people anyway. |
| 19:54 |
us{0gb |
People in real life don't say "lol", so no. |
| 19:54 |
twoelk |
not true |
| 19:54 |
Peacock |
or plol, minetest's own homegrown acronym lol |
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Calinou |
<us{0gb> I have a job. And school. |
| 19:55 |
Calinou |
how old are you? :P |
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twoelk |
my nephews saw lol all the time |
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us{0gb |
Well, the people I talk to don't say "lol". |
| 19:55 |
us{0gb |
Calinou, I was born in 1989. |
| 19:55 |
Peacock |
dunno, people come here to have fun, not be subjected to grammar nazis, thats all im saying :-) |
| 19:56 |
Calinou |
thought you were younger |
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us{0gb |
I think I'm 23 or something, I son't keep track. |
| 19:56 |
us{0gb |
*don't |
| 19:56 |
us{0gb |
People come here for fun, not difficult to read text talk, that's all I'm saying. |
| 19:57 |
Peacock |
well then might i humbly suggest you're not having fun and find an activity that doesn't irritate you :-) |
| 19:57 |
us{0gb |
I could sugest the same to you. |
| 19:57 |
us{0gb |
*suggest |
| 19:58 |
Peacock |
i do tune out minetest and irc for days at a time lol but whenever i come here, you're here |
| 19:58 |
Evergreen |
Gotta go, see you later |
| 19:58 |
Peacock |
see yas |
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us{0gb |
So it is me specifically that you find annoying? My apologies. |
| 19:59 |
Peacock |
i find grammar nazis annoying, if i wanted that i'd go back to school or write to the Queen |
| 19:59 |
us{0gb |
I thought you were complaining about grammar Nazis, of which I am not one. |
| 19:59 |
us{0gb |
I never bring this topic up. |
| 19:59 |
Peacock |
bitching about acronyms and shorthand is the same thing |
| 19:59 |
us{0gb |
I only defended someone else who did bring it up. |
| 19:59 |
Peacock |
compounding is the same as well :P |
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Calinou |
grammar nazis are annoying yes |
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us{0gb |
So yeah, I take sides, but I don't start these arguments. |
| 20:00 |
us{0gb |
THen YOU are compounding as well. YOU are arguing the opposite point. |
| 20:00 |
Peacock |
who's arguing? i found the initial statement and everything that followed quite comical lol |
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thexyz |
guys, move this to query |
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sapier1 |
we don't seem to have enough bugs in minetest time to add some new ;-P |
| 20:01 |
us{0gb |
Arguing has a couple meanings, I think you are interpreting my statement incorrectly. |
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Peacock |
sapier i hope you're joking :P |
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Exio4 |
haha |
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* us{0gb |
adds ants |
| 20:02 |
sapier1 |
I almost everytime add new bugs ... at least if I add features ;-) |
| 20:03 |
Peacock |
old bugs are the funnest since ppl don't remember how the code was written lol |
| 20:03 |
Peacock |
(UPS software was fun like that) |
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us{0gb |
UPS as in the shipping company? |
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sapier1 |
"ppl don't remember how the code was written" you mean after half a year? |
| 20:03 |
Peacock |
yeah, we had software made for 1995, and no one could figure out how to update it to run on XP lol |
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Peacock |
*win85 |
| 20:03 |
Peacock |
*win95 lol |
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us{0gb |
Hmm. THat must have been "fun". |
| 20:04 |
Peacock |
half a year, well some of mt's bugs are older than that, and some of the people who wrote the code is gone, that's typical to any software project though over long enough periods |
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sapier1 |
1995 ... thats quite modern :-) codebase I work at usually is as old as late 80's so 1985 isn't that wrong |
| 20:05 |
Peacock |
problem with running UPS sofware on win 95 is you can't have more modern versions of office, so your stuck with different computers running different OS's trying to get them to talk to eachother and the big printers lol |
| 20:06 |
Peacock |
most custies had more modern setups at home and it cost them alot less, hint as to why UPS stores are doing so badly lol |
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sapier1 |
I work in industry automation sector those customers don't update anything if their hardware fails after some decades they want a drop in replacement doing exactly same as old one |
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Jordach |
BlockMen, fuck |
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Peacock |
well yeah most of your customers are probably not in the business of keeping their hardware modern, they just want it to work |
| 20:08 |
sapier1 |
no those customers can't keep their hardware modern it's operational for that long and can't be turned of without high cost |
| 20:09 |
Peacock |
most stores i setup were in the red after a year, so yeah, they didn't have money for new tech either lol |
| 20:09 |
BlockMen |
Jordach, huh? |
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sapier1 |
or do you want your friendly neighbour nuclear power plant shutting down cooling to update control hardware ? ;-) |
| 20:10 |
Peacock |
we only have one such plant in Quebec i think |
| 20:10 |
Peacock |
though this fukushima stuff seems to be scaring every country with plants |
| 20:10 |
zat |
Has someone seen a player named nolan? |
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sapier1 |
I don't think we sell to quebec so It's not my fault ... fukishima was ge technology too :) |
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Jordach |
BlockMen, i keep forgetting |
| 20:11 |
Jordach |
WTF WTF |
| 20:11 |
Peacock |
GE company, or German? |
| 20:11 |
sapier1 |
ge company |
| 20:11 |
Peacock |
ah ok yeah i know them |
| 20:11 |
Jordach |
i have the fancy settings to the max in classic, and for fuck sakes, it works at 60fps |
| 20:11 |
BlockMen |
ge = general electric :P |
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us{0gb |
I think I have some of their appliances, but I don't know much about them. |
| 20:12 |
Peacock |
well it could have been short for German too :P though they usually use DE if im not mistaken |
| 20:12 |
BlockMen |
germans dont like nuclear power anymore =\ |
| 20:12 |
sapier1 |
maybe ga technology but if I remember correctly fukushima was very very old american technology provided by ge |
| 20:12 |
us{0gb |
Yeah, de. |
| 20:12 |
Peacock |
well it's not like Germany is in any danger of a tsunami? |
| 20:12 |
sapier1 |
exactly we run our old ones until planed end of operation and shut them down |
| 20:12 |
jemadux |
cant find coal |
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BlockMen |
well, thats the "german angst" :D |
| 20:13 |
Peacock |
what are the alternatives otherwise, coal and russian natural gas? |
| 20:13 |
PilzAdam |
this GE? http://youtu.be/k2MIIbuJ4Gc |
| 20:13 |
BlockMen |
most ppl think that solar power plants and wind turnines could be enough to get electricty :( |
| 20:14 |
sapier1 |
no but after realizing even a developed country like japan wasn't capable of controling that technology due to economical and political reasons germans no longer accept that risk |
| 20:14 |
Peacock |
hell, its not like natural gas pipelines dont have accidents too (siberian pipeline, 82) |
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Peacock |
wind, solar, you're dependent on good weather, its a nice boost to have, but i wouldn't rely on it 100% |
| 20:14 |
BlockMen |
sapier1, they have kinda. ofc there are problems, but fukushima is no tschernobyl |
| 20:15 |
zat |
Solars are not totally solar, they are now more photovoltaic |
| 20:15 |
sapier1 |
true fukushima is worse than tschernobyl |
| 20:15 |
zat |
the give voltage on presence of just light |
| 20:15 |
zat |
of course they perform better on direct sunlight |
| 20:15 |
Peacock |
chernobyl was a special case of neglect lol |
| 20:15 |
sapier1 |
the only difference is in fukushima winds took pollution to pacific not to tokyo |
| 20:16 |
zat |
All check this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER |
| 20:16 |
sapier1 |
yea but iter is delayed for decades due to political reasons |
| 20:16 |
BlockMen |
sapier, umm..no? in tschernobyl there was a GAU, the core melted |
| 20:16 |
sapier1 |
yes and in fukushima 3 cores melted |
| 20:17 |
BlockMen |
they partly melted |
| 20:17 |
zat |
the other day I read about a special kind of wind turbine that is super efficient but I lost its link |
| 20:17 |
BlockMen |
and there was no fire (because there was no graphit) |
| 20:18 |
BlockMen |
renewable energy (like photovoltaik, wind turbines, etc) cant be stored, thats the main problem |
| 20:19 |
sapier1 |
they don't even know where the cores are how can they tell they're only partly melted ;-) |
| 20:19 |
BlockMen |
sapier, WTF?! what you mean with "don't even know where the cores are"? |
| 20:21 |
sapier1 |
noone got close enough to cores in fukushima to tell about their current state they may be almost intact they may be partly melted or they may be a flat metal plane on floor of containment ;-) |
| 20:21 |
PilzAdam |
sapier1, why do you add ";-)" at the end of all your sentences? are you constantly speaking ironic? |
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sapier1 |
considering it took weeks to admit the cores melt ... I asume last one |
| 20:22 |
Peacock |
huh according to wiki, the siberian pipeline explosion was the result of the CIA getting the canadian company to put a logic bomb in the software the KGB stole to run the pumps and valves... learn something new every day lol |
| 20:22 |
Peacock |
so i guess accidents aren't that common |
| 20:22 |
Peacock |
except for the occasional spill |
| 20:22 |
sapier1 |
pa all of my sentences? I used it twice |
| 20:23 |
PilzAdam |
its an exaggeration, but you tend to use smileys a lot in cases where it doesnt really make sense |
| 20:24 |
Peacock |
lol not this debate again, we just had it ten minutes ago :P |
| 20:24 |
Peacock |
perhaps #english would be a better venue to debate the merits of smileys and shorthand :P |
| 20:24 |
sapier1 |
any idea why cia should have done this? ... I tend to assume that's a wiki manipulation |
| 20:25 |
Peacock |
just repeating what i read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_pipeline_sabotage |
| 20:25 |
BlockMen |
sapier, well then they still know where the cores are. They know that they are at least in the containment, if melted, partly melted or complete intact |
| 20:25 |
IceCraft |
hi |
| 20:26 |
BlockMen |
*is speculation |
| 20:26 |
Mossmanikin |
Hi IceCraft |
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| 20:26 |
sapier1 |
I'm absolutely sure the cores are in japan so I know it too |
| 20:26 |
Peacock |
though there are some contradictions on the talk page |
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| 20:27 |
BlockMen |
sapier, wow. impressing :P |
| 20:27 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 20:27 |
sapier1 |
they did lie about the current state right from begining I don't trust their official sayings anymore ;-) |
| 20:28 |
Dan_D |
Can someone help make the mod at https://github.com/DanDuncombe/bubblegumgps require the bubblegumgps:gps be required for the hud elemnt to show, and when not olhding it, make the hud disappear?Many thanks |
| 20:28 |
Dan_D |
And BlcokMen, I hear you are HUD master |
| 20:28 |
Dan_D |
*BlockMen |
| 20:28 |
BlockMen |
sapier, so you dont trust THEIR official sayings but the "official" saying in the press? |
| 20:29 |
sapier1 |
the best thing about fukushima is pacific is a huge ocean |
| 20:29 |
BlockMen |
Dan_D, i havent heared that |
| 20:29 |
Dan_D |
Still |
| 20:29 |
BlockMen |
sapier, i dont think that it is the best |
| 20:30 |
BlockMen |
now much more ppl are effected by the problem |
| 20:30 |
sapier1 |
it is ... that much water will spread radioactivity to a extent not beeing dangerous anymore |
| 20:30 |
sfan5 |
wow, clang is much faster at compiling |
| 20:31 |
Peacock |
clang, sounds klingon |
| 20:31 |
sfan5 |
does "LLVM" sound klingon too? :P |
| 20:31 |
Peacock |
not really lol |
| 20:31 |
Mossmanikin |
Sounds latin |
| 20:31 |
Peacock |
sounds more like a virtual machine |
| 20:31 |
BlockMen |
well, with radioactivity the problem is that already a small amount of it can cause health problems. so you cant know if that small amount is causing more or less problems... |
| 20:32 |
Peacock |
LLVM = linux libre virtual machine? :P |
| 20:32 |
Peacock |
i much preferred vox-my-nipples, but i can see why that changed to LLVM ;) :P |
| 20:32 |
sfan5 |
!g LLVM |
| 20:32 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: http://llvm.org/ |
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| 20:32 |
Peacock |
LLVM != vmanip? or is that LVM |
| 20:33 |
us{0gb |
Vox is Latin for voice? |
| 20:33 |
BlockMen |
Jordach, how long would it take to make the zombie if you can keep it in mind? |
| 20:33 |
sapier1 |
yes but you already have natural radioactivity so your risk is only rising slightly |
| 20:33 |
Peacock |
wow that website looks about as nice as yahoo's 95 homepage lol |
| 20:34 |
BlockMen |
sapier, sry but that is spaculating. the science is still not united how much radioactivity causes health problems |
| 20:34 |
Peacock |
i'll never get why geeks who create most of hte software we use, also design some of the ugliest websites ever seen lol |
| 20:34 |
BlockMen |
furthermore fish, etc concentrates the amount |
| 20:34 |
BlockMen |
so ppl can get problems by it easily |
| 20:35 |
sapier1 |
no they aren't argueing it's almost sure there is no safe dose |
| 20:35 |
FreeFull |
"The name "LLVM" was once an acronym, but is now just a brand for the umbrella project." |
| 20:35 |
us{0gb |
Peacock, because developers and artists are not the same people. |
| 20:35 |
FreeFull |
I wonder what it was an acronym for though |
| 20:35 |
BlockMen |
well, what is "safe". is the natural radioactivity "safe"? |
| 20:35 |
Dan_D |
Help with the mod anyone? |
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| 20:35 |
sapier1 |
no it isn't |
| 20:35 |
FreeFull |
Ah, Low Level Virtual Machine |
| 20:35 |
us{0gb |
Help how? |
| 20:35 |
BlockMen |
who says so? |
| 20:36 |
sapier1 |
it's a fact in areas where "natural" radioactivity is higher cancer rates are higher |
| 20:36 |
FreeFull |
sapier1: I thought it wasn't a linear curve |
| 20:37 |
BlockMen |
umm, no? i heared of a few cases where it is higher and the ppl get rly rly old there, older than all here in europe... |
| 20:37 |
sapier1 |
I didn't say there's a linear relationship |
| 20:37 |
FreeFull |
I'm pretty sure that some natural radioactivity is better than none at all |
| 20:37 |
BlockMen |
so there may be a correlation, but not a causality |
| 20:38 |
sapier1 |
if 10% of population get really old by other reasons and 20% die of cancer instead of 10% it's still valid |
| 20:38 |
Peacock |
ogb i have a hard time picturing developers that don't have a single ounce of creativity/artistry |
| 20:38 |
sapier1 |
radioactivity can destroy dna if by some random chance wrong part is destroyed it can cause cancer |
| 20:39 |
us{0gb |
Peacock, i can't build decent web pages, yet I do write code. |
| 20:39 |
Peacock |
100% logical dev gets you things like terminal apps, 100% creative devs gives you stuff like unity lol something in between is usually better |
| 20:39 |
BlockMen |
sry, bit cancer is one of the things the since still dont know why it increases and increases |
| 20:39 |
BlockMen |
*but |
| 20:39 |
Dan_D |
Help |
| 20:39 |
BlockMen |
*sience |
| 20:39 |
sapier1 |
so you may have luck and thousands of dna damages don't cause cancer ... or your first damage will start cancer |
| 20:39 |
us{0gb |
Help how? |
| 20:39 |
FreeFull |
There isn't one cancer, there are many |
| 20:40 |
sapier1 |
freefull yes that's why treatment is that difficult |
| 20:40 |
BlockMen |
there are that much factors that cause cancer, i doubt that you can say that natural radioactivity causes cancer |
| 20:40 |
BlockMen |
that is just a thesis, not more |
| 20:40 |
Peacock |
well even minetest_game airs (sp?) more on the side of logical than creative, but you're definately right about minimal lol |
| 20:40 |
FreeFull |
And a lot of DNA damage doesn't come from radiation. Some radiation can actually make your DNA repair mechanisms work better |
| 20:40 |
sapier1 |
it can cause cancer ... but of course other things can do too |
| 20:41 |
us{0gb |
BlockMen, sunlight is natural radioactivity, and it has been proven to cause cancer. |
| 20:42 |
Peacock |
i think i may be more on the creative side, i have a hard time understanding all the complex constructs in C++ lol |
| 20:42 |
BlockMen |
the softener in plastics can cause cancer too |
| 20:42 |
BlockMen |
how is proven that it was the radioactivity? |
| 20:42 |
sapier1 |
I don't think em waves with energy levels as sunlight are considered to be radioactivity |
| 20:42 |
Peacock |
\which is why i'll never try to develop a DE lol |
| 20:42 |
us{0gb |
Peacock, that's probably why you don't understand why others are less creative. |
| 20:43 |
BlockMen |
sapier, light is wave AND particle |
| 20:43 |
us{0gb |
I run into similar failures to understand people as well. |
| 20:43 |
BlockMen |
so it could theoraticaly |
| 20:43 |
Peacock |
true, but looking at the llvm site, surely they could have found someone else to do it :P |
| 20:43 |
Peacock |
geeks invented CSS for that sortof thing after all |
| 20:44 |
us{0gb |
It least they chose something simple. A lot of "creative" websites are actually a pain to use because they are poorly designed. |
| 20:44 |
sapier1 |
I didn't say light can't cause cancer just sunlights energy level isn't in range commonly called "radioactivity" |
| 20:45 |
Peacock |
it doesn't have to be modern art :P but the site in question is particularly ugly, the typeface, the colors, the font size, 3 column layout |
| 20:45 |
Peacock |
not that i think modern art is nice lol anyone can puke on a canvas and ask for a subsidy |
| 20:46 |
Peacock |
isohunt is gone :( |
| 20:47 |
BlockMen |
IIRC it isnt the sunlight itself but the "cosmic radioation" that hits the earth (mainly by the sun). -> de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strahlenbelastung#Strahlenexposition_durch_nat.C3.BCrliche_Quellen |
| 20:49 |
sapier1 |
yes but that doesn't change the fact that (all sorts of) natural radiation can cause cancer |
| 20:49 |
sapier1 |
fukushima just increases it a little bit more |
| 20:50 |
Mossmanikin |
sapier1: I like the new behaviour of the blue white fish, also the new animalmaterials |
| 20:50 |
sapier1 |
as chernobyl did and those nuclear bomb tests before |
| 20:50 |
BlockMen |
IMO it is not worth to be mentioned, because it seems that nearly everything can cause cancer these days |
| 20:50 |
Dan_D |
Help with the mod? Also sapier1 I have made a couple of suggestions on the pushable_block thread, I think thst was by you? |
| 20:50 |
Peacock |
alot of things cause cancer, but politicians like people to focus on second hand smoke rather than smog and other forms of pollution :P |
| 20:51 |
sapier1 |
yes it is Dan_D |
| 20:51 |
Dan_D |
Ok |
| 20:51 |
BlockMen |
Peacock, true. but not only at that topic :\ |
| 20:52 |
Dan_D |
Is the orchard protected? |
| 20:52 |
sapier1 |
of course ... german green party wants to have general speed limits to save lifes at autobahn ... most ppl die on rural roads in germany due to high speed ... there already are speed limits there |
| 20:52 |
BlockMen |
but as longer i look at this show i more think that the most ppl want get jerked |
| 20:52 |
us{0gb |
Yes, I understand you need help with the "mod", but you haven't told us how to help. |
| 20:52 |
Peacock |
we have speed limits and we still have accidents |
| 20:52 |
sapier1 |
so if ppl die on roads with speed limits speed limits should be abolished ... right? :-) |
| 20:53 |
Peacock |
and yeah, politicians want you to focus on minute causes, while ignoring the rest of the pie lol |
| 20:53 |
Mossmanikin |
:D |
| 20:53 |
BlockMen |
sapier, umm. the geens (aka pedophilic party) want that to save the climate |
| 20:53 |
BlockMen |
and that is even more stupid |
| 20:54 |
Peacock |
a bit late now lol |
| 20:54 |
Peacock |
and ignores the fact the earth has been much warmer in the past, and we're still here |
| 20:54 |
sapier1 |
I don't like that pedophilic thing either but last month calling someone pedophilic has become a method to stop your enemys ... even if prooven to be wrong that one will have negative effects |
| 20:54 |
Peacock |
and that we're still emerging from an ice age, but hey, let's destroy the economy, and watch temperatures rise nonetheless lol |
| 20:55 |
BlockMen |
Peacock, like midages. that time it was that warm that there was growing wine in scotland |
| 20:55 |
Peacock |
hell, the vikings colonized north america, greenland and iceland at times where you could farm much further north |
| 20:56 |
BlockMen |
sapier, the BTW is over, so i can call them now what they are. they cant be "stopped" |
| 20:56 |
sapier1 |
that doesn't change the fact large areas of world will become no go areas so either we stop warming or start to find ways to relocate billions of ppl |
| 20:56 |
Peacock |
how do you stop warming at this point? |
| 20:57 |
BlockMen |
Peacock, i bet it were the knight factories that warmed up the climate ^^ |
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BlockMen |
sapier, thats non sense. take a look at the sahel zone, it became more green the last 20 years |
| 20:57 |
Peacock |
if anything we should be developing weather modification and making plans to build new cities at higher elevations |
| 20:57 |
sapier1 |
thats the problem ... but did you hear anyone say "ok lets give up netherlands and used that money to relocate them to greenland"? |
| 20:58 |
BlockMen |
furthermore...the co2 is still rising, but the global warming stucks for 15 years now |
| 20:58 |
Peacock |
^ true that |
| 20:58 |
Peacock |
even david suzuki was pwned on that point in Australia on ABC |
| 20:58 |
sapier1 |
still ice is melting almost everywhere |
| 20:58 |
BlockMen |
nope, in antartica it is growing for years now |
| 20:58 |
Peacock |
suzuki, environmental guru, preaches "consume less", guy has several homes totally over 10 mil$ in value lol |
| 20:59 |
Peacock |
*totalling |
| 20:59 |
sapier1 |
yes we don't understand completely how the warming is going to happen but increasing co2 levels that much will have an effect |
| 20:59 |
BlockMen |
sapier, how much co2 is in the atmosphere? |
| 21:00 |
sapier1 |
almost 1/3 more than 75 years ago |
| 21:01 |
BlockMen |
yeah, it is now 0,039% |
| 21:01 |
BlockMen |
or 0,04% if you like |
| 21:01 |
sapier1 |
that low co2 level increases global temperature about 20 degrees if it wasn't there earth would be a iceball |
| 21:02 |
BlockMen |
you are sure about that, sapier? |
| 21:02 |
BlockMen |
because the mars has > 95% co2 |
| 21:02 |
sapier1 |
exactly but if next 0,06 will result in another 20 degrees we will die too |
| 21:03 |
BlockMen |
and it is still fucking cold there |
| 21:03 |
sapier1 |
mars has 3% atmospheric density of earth ;-) |
| 21:03 |
sapier1 |
I assume it's fuckin cold up in sky where you meet 3% density on earth too |
| 21:05 |
sapier1 |
just because something is low it doesn't mean it's not dangerous ;-) |
| 21:06 |
BlockMen |
sapier, and you know how much that effects green house effect? |
| 21:06 |
BlockMen |
and to earths green house effect...why does the temperature not rise in atmosphere? |
| 21:07 |
BlockMen |
it has to because the green house effect says, that the co2 reflects ir rays, but that causes heating at co2 |
| 21:08 |
BlockMen |
but beside all that, 90% of the emitted co2 is natural, so not human |
| 21:08 |
BlockMen |
how would climate change if that 10% would be missing? |
| 21:08 |
sapier1 |
natural greenhouse effect is about 30° on earth about 30% are caused by co2 so about 10° |
| 21:09 |
BlockMen |
hello, 90% is natural co2? |
| 21:09 |
BlockMen |
so 1° if it would be linear |
| 21:09 |
sapier1 |
yes but natural is a stable value while human emmisions actually ADD |
| 21:10 |
BlockMen |
lol, no, it was never stable |
| 21:10 |
sapier1 |
that co2 humans emit has been taken out of service million years ago ... natural emmissions are seasonal emissions |
| 21:11 |
sapier1 |
of course there's some delta but way less than even those 10% you add each year for almost 20 decades now |
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| 21:11 |
BlockMen |
most land mass of earth has no seasons like here in europe |
| 21:11 |
sapier1 |
everything not beeing tropics has seasons |
| 21:12 |
BlockMen |
and here your stable co2 value -> http://www.wasserplanet.biokurs.de/CO2-Dateien/image061.png :P |
| 21:13 |
VanessaE |
can one use minetest.find_node_near() to look for CONTENT_IGNORE? |
| 21:13 |
sapier1 |
so normal fluctuation is from 180 ppm to 280 ppm ... atm we're at 400 ppm ... not a good proof of your thesis |
| 21:14 |
BlockMen |
my thesis? what is my thesis? |
| 21:14 |
sapier1 |
and those changes did require about 75 millenias ... we did it in 200 years |
| 21:16 |
sapier1 |
I don't believe we can stop global warming too ... but I doubt ppl are willing to accept we have to give up whole countrys and relocate their inhabitants |
| 21:16 |
BlockMen |
we did it? why are human always megalomaniac? it just pretentious to think we could change the climate of a planet |
| 21:16 |
Peacock |
Ordovician period had much higher co2 |
| 21:16 |
Peacock |
4400 ppm |
| 21:17 |
BlockMen |
sapier, why so dramatic? give up countries? |
| 21:18 |
BlockMen |
remember the "waldsterben" (german angst again^^)? |
| 21:18 |
sapier1 |
because a country like bangladesh is way below ocean surface if oceans heat up by 5 degrees ;-) |
| 21:18 |
BlockMen |
i have a really good documentation about that for you, and it would be nice if you would watch, because it just show how stupid this dramatism is |
| 21:18 |
BlockMen |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO7aqEF3V04 |
| 21:19 |
sapier1 |
blockmen did you have a look at german woods recently? those ones dieing in late 80s have died |
| 21:19 |
sapier1 |
and have been replaced .. true :) |
| 21:19 |
BlockMen |
sapier, are you kidding? |
| 21:20 |
BlockMen |
do you really think that? |
| 21:20 |
sapier1 |
but not with threes dieing in late 80 but other trees |
| 21:20 |
sapier1 |
if I look around I don't see the woods of my childhood anymore but quite different ones |
| 21:21 |
sapier1 |
they're not worse than then of course but differnt |
| 21:22 |
Peacock |
the environment/climate is hardly static :P |
| 21:22 |
BlockMen |
of your childhood? how old are you? |
| 21:22 |
Peacock |
id be alot more worried if things stopped moving/changing |
| 21:22 |
sapier1 |
it's only 2 decades ago ... seeing a change that drastic happen in a short time like that is strange |
| 21:23 |
BlockMen |
"Beim DFG-Projekt Und ewig sterben die Wälder wurde unterschieden zwischen einer öffentlichen Debatte, die das angebliche Sterben in immer neuen Variationen diskutierte, und dem fachwissenschaftlichen Diskurs. Die Forstwissenschaft nahm das ‚sogenannte Waldsterben’ überwiegend als Medienphänomen wahr. Das Projekt untersuchte wie der Diskurs um das Waldsterben im Zusammenspiel zwischen Wissenschaft, Politik und Medien sich h |
| 21:23 |
BlockMen |
"Die dramatischen Fernsehbilder stark zerstörter Waldgebiete der 80er Jahre stammen ausnahmslos von einigen wenigen Flecken im Harz oder Erzgebirge. Die Ende der 70er intensivierte Nutzung der vorhandenen Braunkohlevorkommen in Westdeutschland (inklusive der Oberpfalz), der DDR und ČSSR und eine unzureichende Umwelttechnik führten hier zu Belastungen, die bereits in der Zeit der frühen Industrialisierung als Rauchschäden erklà |
| 21:23 |
BlockMen |
damn irc...it cuts the text |
| 21:24 |
sapier1 |
forrest economics didn't have interest for wood for years until woods started to become a valueable resource again due to new wood heatings |
| 21:24 |
kaeza |
... |
| 21:24 |
BlockMen |
look here http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldsterben |
| 21:24 |
BlockMen |
and watch this fuking documentation |
| 21:24 |
sapier1 |
btw your Ordovician period is source of our fossil fuel |
| 21:25 |
BlockMen |
Peacock that said... |
| 21:25 |
BlockMen |
and that doesnt change the fact, does it? |
| 21:25 |
sapier1 |
I already know media bloated the problem but it's a common fact in current attention society without bloation nothing will change |
| 21:25 |
BlockMen |
sry, but that is stupid |
| 21:26 |
Peacock |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordovician : says right there, 4200 ppm co2 |
| 21:26 |
Peacock |
mean surface temp, 16c |
| 21:26 |
Peacock |
2c more than modern level |
| 21:27 |
sapier1 |
no it isn't have a look at current renewable energy politics ... ppl thinking about it knew for about 4 years it's gonna be way to expensive without limitations in there ... nothing happened |
| 21:27 |
BlockMen |
ha ha...renewable energy politics |
| 21:28 |
BlockMen |
you want say that it is good how we do in germany? |
| 21:28 |
sapier1 |
but did you have a look at that map? there isn't much surface to talk about ;-) |
| 21:29 |
Peacock |
the continents didn't suddenly appear - it's called continental drift or plate tectonics :P |
| 21:29 |
sapier1 |
I'm not talking about the positions but about the extents ... large areas now dry have been flooded then |
| 21:30 |
sapier1 |
and if those areas will be flooded again wit 2° more global temperature we'll have a problem ;-) |
| 21:31 |
BlockMen |
lol |
| 21:31 |
BlockMen |
yes, we will all die |
| 21:31 |
Peacock |
i thought the focus was on co2, temperature and climate change lol not continental positions or coverage |
| 21:31 |
Peacock |
funny that the greenies like to tell everyone else what to do, but won't give up their cars and iphones themselves :P |
| 21:31 |
sapier1 |
temperature will cause oceans to rise ... it's simple physics |
| 21:32 |
BlockMen |
and why should they rise? what will be the source? |
| 21:32 |
BlockMen |
the growing ice of himalya? -> www.welt.de/vermischtes/article106189407/Asiens-Gletscher-wachsen-gegen-den-Welt-Klimatrend.html |
| 21:32 |
BlockMen |
:D |
| 21:32 |
Peacock |
so how would you explain 4200ppm co2 with temperatures 2 degree lower than now? :P |
| 21:32 |
sapier1 |
volumetric extension due to temerature increase? |
| 21:33 |
sapier1 |
if your surface is only in arctics you'll have lower temperatures as if your surface is in tropics ;-) |
| 21:33 |
BlockMen |
umm...upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Density_of_ice_and_water_%28de%29.svg |
| 21:34 |
Peacock |
was that a guess or a statement back by verifiable sources? (about volumetric extension) |
| 21:34 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: proller github.com commited to minetest/minetest: Masterserver update a924409bd1 2013-10-17T14:32:49-07:00 http://git.io/mqNG7w |
| 21:34 |
sapier1 |
blockmen that's only true for freezing ice increasing water temperature from 15-20° will increase it's volume |
| 21:35 |
Peacock |
hm, a carboniferous game for mt would be cool, like uber-prehistoric lol |
| 21:35 |
BlockMen |
sapier, so the sience is wrong here? |
| 21:36 |
sapier1 |
wrong where? just because some glaciers are growing while most of them are shrinking? |
| 21:37 |
BlockMen |
no, i ment the water thing. 0°C (1000kg/m³), 100°C(960kg/m³) |
| 21:38 |
sapier1 |
because of the well know volumetric anomaly of water having most density at 4° |
| 21:39 |
BlockMen |
but to your "some glaciers"...actually the antartic and the himalaya glaciers are keeping most of the ice (beside greenland) |
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| 21:39 |
sapier1 |
and antarctica isn't exactly clear by now |
| 21:39 |
sapier1 |
calculations tend to show antarctica is in sum melting too |
| 21:39 |
Peacock |
pretty cool http://pixld.me/carboniferous-mod-minecraft-1-5-2-1-5-1/ |
| 21:40 |
sapier1 |
greenland is melting thats almost sure |
| 21:40 |
BlockMen |
calculations, based on what? |
| 21:40 |
BlockMen |
computer simulations? |
| 21:40 |
sapier1 |
calculations based on height mesurements of ice coverage in antarctica |
| 21:41 |
BlockMen |
and no, its prooven that it is growing for years now |
| 21:41 |
sapier1 |
but there's some doubt so this isn't sure for antarctica |
| 21:41 |
BlockMen |
sorry, but there is everywhere some "doubt" in "climate change" |
| 21:41 |
BlockMen |
so that is kinda no argument |
| 21:42 |
sapier1 |
show me your data for antarctica ;-) the studies I know tend to indicate there are some glaciers melting ... the ocean ice coverage is decreasing without doubt in antarcitica |
| 21:42 |
Peacock |
well its not like we fully understand what drives the climate, weve only been taking decent measurements for what, a few decades? half a century |
| 21:43 |
sapier1 |
but of course ocean ice coverage doesn't increase sea level ... but if you recall I did only tell the volumetric expansion will cause flooding ;-) |
| 21:43 |
Peacock |
though raising a panic over our limited understanding of limited data seems much more foolish to me |
| 21:44 |
sapier1 |
so we don't understand but hell lets increase third most greenhouse gas by factor 3 and see whats gonna happen? :-) |
| 21:44 |
BlockMen |
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_stddev_timeseries.png |
| 21:44 |
BlockMen |
yeah...it melts like hell :D |
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| 21:45 |
sapier1 |
"with at least 15%" so 1cm is counted same as 10m ice |
| 21:46 |
BlockMen |
sapier, your turn. present me your data |
| 21:46 |
BlockMen |
and that is the standart |
| 21:47 |
sapier1 |
same site summer ice extent ;-P |
| 21:47 |
sapier1 |
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png |
| 21:47 |
sapier1 |
oh sorry its arctica not antarctica |
| 21:48 |
sapier1 |
btw why do they compare to 1981-2010 average? thats way after start of decline |
| 21:48 |
BlockMen |
lol...very good |
| 21:48 |
BlockMen |
artic is rising too |
| 21:48 |
BlockMen |
:P |
| 21:49 |
BlockMen |
btw accuracy...how accurat where the values of co2 in 1800? or 1890? |
| 21:50 |
sapier1 |
rising? |
| 21:50 |
sapier1 |
you know 2012 was overall negative record? |
| 21:50 |
VanessaE |
2012 was just a big negative anyway ;) |
| 21:50 |
BlockMen |
or of the temperature, that was only messured in a few points that time but used to show raising of the global temperature? |
| 21:52 |
sapier1 |
so you believe just because weather was cold for 3 years now doubling co2 concentration will have no effect? |
| 21:53 |
sapier1 |
it's like americans spending more and more money hoping chinese will never stop to give em more |
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| 21:54 |
sapier1 |
chances are good chinese wont stop because they'll loose everything if they did :-) |
| 21:54 |
BlockMen |
and how can it even be 3 years cold by that much co2? |
| 21:54 |
BlockMen |
and why is temperature not increasing since 15 years now, but co2 is? |
| 21:54 |
sapier1 |
due to wether effect that always overlay climate changes for years |
| 21:55 |
BlockMen |
like 15 years? sure |
| 21:55 |
BlockMen |
so if climate would change like they said the oceans would raise in 1500 years then, right? |
| 21:56 |
sapier1 |
interesting question true ... lemme guess maybe deep oceans soak up energy ... hope that guess is wrong cause if it'd be true the effects will be even more dramatic |
| 21:56 |
BlockMen |
srsly, why are you so much beliving it? you sound like a fundamentalis christian or muslim |
| 21:56 |
BlockMen |
"deep oceans soak up energy"? srsly? |
| 21:56 |
BlockMen |
that is even more stupid than thinking adolf hitler is still alive |
| 21:57 |
sapier1 |
no I'm not I just see not a single explanation what could stop drastic increase of greehouse gass to have NO effect |
| 21:57 |
sapier1 |
do you have ANY even theoretical idea how this could be without any effect? |
| 21:58 |
BlockMen |
for what? greenhouse gas or temperatur increasing in the 90's? |
| 21:59 |
sapier1 |
it's like driving with 200 mph towards a wall telling "we havent hit anything by now so we wont hit anything in future" |
| 21:59 |
BlockMen |
no, you think you are driving with 200 mph, but in real you are driving 2 mph |
| 22:00 |
sapier1 |
fact is we did increase co2 by about 1/3 |
| 22:00 |
BlockMen |
no, FACT is that it has increased |
| 22:00 |
sapier1 |
in less than 200 years ... in geological dimensions that is instant |
| 22:01 |
BlockMen |
if WE would have done it, why is 90% of the anual emitted co2 natural? |
| 22:01 |
proller |
plants likes co2 |
| 22:02 |
BlockMen |
and another fact: co2 is more havy than the aur |
| 22:02 |
BlockMen |
why should 100% of our emitted co2 go up in atmosphere? |
| 22:02 |
BlockMen |
*air |
| 22:03 |
VanessaE |
if players would just replant their saplings after gathering trees... oh, wait.. |
| 22:03 |
sapier1 |
natural emission is resorbed by other natural mechanisms ... humanity didn't do anything to resorb co2 by now |
| 22:04 |
BlockMen |
if that would be true the co2 concentration would be still at 0,03%, not 0,04% |
| 22:04 |
BlockMen |
and you are not answering my questions |
| 22:04 |
sapier1 |
no because those 0,01% have been resorbed and storaged 450 million years ago |
| 22:05 |
BlockMen |
0,01% co2 is more than humans have produced in the last 200 years, genuis |
| 22:05 |
sapier1 |
calculate it |
| 22:06 |
BlockMen |
i already have, other have to and you can do it yourself too |
| 22:06 |
sapier1 |
thats a brave clain you do right now |
| 22:06 |
BlockMen |
all values can be found at wiki, ipcc or wherever |
| 22:07 |
BlockMen |
sapier, all values can be found, how much is emitted every year, how much is human, how much is in atmosphere |
| 22:07 |
sapier1 |
you claim those numbers don't fit so proove it |
| 22:07 |
BlockMen |
calculate yourself |
| 22:08 |
BlockMen |
or cant you calcß |
| 22:08 |
BlockMen |
*? |
| 22:08 |
BlockMen |
but im still waiting for answers... |
| 22:10 |
sapier1 |
I still haven't even found the numbers you claim to be there ;-P |
| 22:12 |
BlockMen |
i will look up and you will answer me my questions meanwhile |
| 22:13 |
sapier1 |
what question are you talking about? |
| 22:14 |
BlockMen |
[00:02] <BlockMen> and another fact: co2 is more havy than the aur [00:02] <BlockMen> why should 100% of our emitted co2 go up in atmosphere? |
| 22:14 |
BlockMen |
for example |
| 22:15 |
sapier1 |
because gas mixtures don't fraction that easy as long as there's movement within |
| 22:15 |
sapier1 |
o2 and n2 don't have same weight too still they're not separated in atmosphere |
| 22:20 |
Peacock |
i forget how this conversation started lol i think it was nuclear plants and renewable energy? |
| 22:20 |
BlockMen |
but co2 is "that" havy that i can build "lakes" |
| 22:20 |
sapier1 |
yes with some sideway to safe dose of radioactivity |
| 22:21 |
BlockMen |
other gases cant |
| 22:21 |
sapier1 |
yes but once it's mixed it won't create lakes that easy |
| 22:21 |
BlockMen |
ok, next question: why was midages that warm but co2 that low? |
| 22:21 |
Peacock |
id fancy a guess there were more plants to sequester co2 |
| 22:22 |
sapier1 |
as far as I know middle ages have been quite cold while roman empire time was quite warm |
| 22:22 |
Peacock |
(just guessing tho, dont taze me :P) |
| 22:22 |
sapier1 |
but explanation is that there are sun cycles overlying the climate |
| 22:22 |
Peacock |
omg, the italians caused the last global warming? :P |
| 22:22 |
sapier1 |
atm temperatures should fall due to that cycles ... but they don't |
| 22:23 |
sapier1 |
no romans just cut all trees in north africa causing that area to become desert ;-) |
| 22:24 |
Peacock |
until the romans got their asses handed to them lol |
| 22:24 |
sapier1 |
co2 is not the only way humanity is capable of changing climate of some region |
| 22:25 |
Peacock |
i remember when they blamed cow flatulence for methane in the atmosphere lol |
| 22:26 |
sapier1 |
that's a factor too :-) you know there are far more cows on this planet than there have been ever before ;-) |
| 22:26 |
BlockMen |
so, when sun activity was causing it why shouldnt it cause now? |
| 22:26 |
BlockMen |
2nd, there is no proove that there was more sun activity that time |
| 22:26 |
sapier1 |
because sun actitivy is cyclic and due to that cycle it should fall atm |
| 22:27 |
BlockMen |
and here you lazy boy, all values takes from german wikipedia -> http://pastebin.com/Q8QPzTgc |
| 22:27 |
BlockMen |
have fun calculating |
| 22:27 |
BlockMen |
yes, atm. but in 90's (when the temperature was raising) there was a maximum |
| 22:28 |
BlockMen |
and since 15 years the temperature is no fucking raising |
| 22:28 |
sapier1 |
those numbers don't tell anything |
| 22:28 |
sapier1 |
you're comparing completely different things |
| 22:29 |
BlockMen |
hello? you know the concentraion of co2 you know its mass you know the mass of the atmosphere, you know the mass of emitted co2 and natural co2 |
| 22:29 |
BlockMen |
you can calculate that with these values |
| 22:29 |
BlockMen |
its actually kinda easy |
| 22:30 |
sapier1 |
yes it is ... and it results in perfect match ... http://sunoba.blogspot.de/2011/03/atmospheric-co2-levels-due-to-fossil.html that guy does explain how to do it |
| 22:31 |
BlockMen |
why not calculate yourself? |
| 22:31 |
Peacock |
yeah there are alot of cows, most of them of them in our parliament lol |
| 22:31 |
sapier1 |
btw it's not 5.135 * 1015t but 5.135*10exp15 t |
| 22:32 |
sapier1 |
I did check his calculations |
| 22:33 |
BlockMen |
pastebin eat it :\ |
| 22:33 |
BlockMen |
that fast...yeah |
| 22:33 |
BlockMen |
ofc you did -.-' |
| 22:33 |
sapier1 |
and he's using same values you do ... he even uses only 30 gigatons of fossil co2 |
| 22:34 |
BlockMen |
half an hour ago you were to stupid to find these values and 30 min later you already checked the calculation |
| 22:34 |
BlockMen |
wow, that is really improving |
| 22:35 |
sapier1 |
I already found that page while you were looking for those numbers but didn't want to tell about it until I knew his calculations are correct |
| 22:35 |
NakedFury |
why are you guys arguing over this trivial matter? |
| 22:35 |
sapier1 |
because argueing is fun ;-) |
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| 22:36 |
sapier1 |
I still have only found another source for total amount of co2 in atmosphere .. you haven't either |
| 22:37 |
BlockMen |
guess what, there are hunderts :O |
| 22:38 |
sapier1 |
show me ;) |
| 22:38 |
BlockMen |
but i wont waste more time on you. Stay at your religion, fine. I know that facts dont matter at spiritual ppl, so ok. Wait for the apocalypse, i dont care |
| 22:38 |
BlockMen |
but please tell me when the netherlands are sunken and we all suffer under this unbelievable heat :D |
| 22:39 |
BlockMen |
i want make a beach club then...-.-' |
| 22:39 |
sapier1 |
I've shown much more facts that co2 is increasing and causes greenhouse effect than you did show facts co2 isn't inreasing and not caused by human and of course you didn't show a single reason why co2 should have no effect |
| 22:39 |
BlockMen |
but you havent explained why temperatures not reacting on co2 values |
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| 22:40 |
BlockMen |
so even if you would have shown you would have prooven nothing... |
| 22:40 |
sapier1 |
I have |
| 22:40 |
BlockMen |
ah..ok. why is temp not increasing for 15 years now again? |
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| 22:40 |
sapier1 |
considering temperatures should actually fall due to sun cycles a 15 year stop of increase is not a issue |
| 22:42 |
BlockMen |
umm...that would mean that the sun is the main actor of "global warming", not co2 |
| 22:42 |
BlockMen |
otherwise the temp would increase, but slower |
| 22:42 |
BlockMen |
not complete stop |
| 22:42 |
BlockMen |
fail :D |
| 22:42 |
sapier1 |
no it just tells there are multiple fators ... so what happens if those factors dont substract but ADD |
| 22:43 |
sapier1 |
-2 + 2 --> 0 ... but if we reach other end of sun cycle +2 + 2 -->4 .... oops |
| 22:43 |
sapier1 |
take those numbers as illustration only |
| 22:44 |
BlockMen |
hmm...but the problem is that sun has a much larger value than 2 |
| 22:45 |
sapier1 |
if that is true then human effect has to be higher too to equalize it |
| 22:45 |
BlockMen |
who says it has to be equal? |
| 22:46 |
BlockMen |
sun very very low = ice age, sun very very high = warm times |
| 22:47 |
BlockMen |
co2 makes just 6-25% of green house effect (official) |
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| 22:48 |
sapier1 |
so it's 1,5 to 7,5° .... doubling co2 concentration will result in 1,5 to 7,5 degree increase |
| 22:48 |
BlockMen |
but if you need to think you "have prooven" something |
| 22:48 |
BlockMen |
fine...like i said. IDC anymore what you think |
| 22:49 |
BlockMen |
have fun...fanatic believer ;) |
| 22:49 |
sapier1 |
YOU are the one not caring about arguments not matching YOUR believes |
| 22:49 |
BlockMen |
lol |
| 22:50 |
BlockMen |
yes, ofc. at least my glaciers are not growing whith raising temperaturs |
| 22:51 |
sapier1 |
you know growing glaciers can be explained by raising tempertures for some cases too? |
| 22:52 |
sapier1 |
growing temperatures result in more water in air thus if a glacier stays above ice height that additional water will cause the glacier to grow ... at least until it's getting even more hot |
| 22:54 |
BlockMen |
ah..ok. the more water can result the growth of glaciers but the water in atmosphere that make more than 60% of the greenhouse effect have not such a large effect like co2 |
| 22:54 |
BlockMen |
yes, idc about arguments |
| 22:54 |
BlockMen |
you are absolutly right my believing brother of world saviors ;) |
| 22:54 |
sapier1 |
it does so increasing temperatures could cause a runnaway greenhouse effect |
| 22:55 |
BlockMen |
if it would we would already have that effect, genius |
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| 22:55 |
sapier1 |
no it wouldn't it could be compensated by less water in other areas of world ... e.g. california or australia suffering of wort dries for ages the last years |
| 22:59 |
sapier1 |
thanks for the interesting discussion but I have to work today maybe more next time ;-) |
| 22:59 |
BlockMen |
aha...and atm it can not be compensated by these areas and grows the glacies? |
| 22:59 |
BlockMen |
no no..my friend. i have to work either |
| 23:00 |
sapier1 |
I don't see how glaciers could melt in australia for example ;-) there are none ;-) |
| 23:00 |
sapier1 |
gn8 |
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| 23:01 |
BlockMen |
pfff...he leaves as fast as his arguments. |
| 23:01 |
BlockMen |
when nothing to say against then leaving... |
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| 23:12 |
BlockMen |
well, i will leave then too. here a picture for everyone who want see the enormous melting in the artic -> http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=02&fd=16&fy=1982&sm=02&sd=16&sy=2013 |
| 23:12 |
BlockMen |
gd n8t everyone |
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| 23:13 |
NekoGloop |
good nate? |
| 23:15 |
Mossmanikin |
it's german; Acht=eight, n8t=Nacht=night |
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| 23:22 |
Mossmanikin |
Off for now, later |
| 23:22 |
VanessaE |
er, hi an dbye |
| 23:22 |
VanessaE |
er, hi and bye |
| 23:25 |
* NekoGloop |
pokes VanessaE |
| 23:25 |
VanessaE |
ow. |
| 23:26 |
NekoGloop |
what'd I miss |
| 23:26 |
NekoGloop |
any notable progress |
| 23:26 |
VanessaE |
a little |
| 23:27 |
VanessaE |
the entity dupe issue may have been fixed |
| 23:27 |
NekoGloop |
sweet |
| 23:27 |
VanessaE |
(actually that's quite big) |
| 23:27 |
VanessaE |
meanwhile, the fps dropouts on my server continue to get worse, especially for netbooks |
| 23:28 |
VanessaE |
(c55 has seen it first-hand, and was all "what the fuck", "this is nonsense" |
| 23:28 |
NekoGloop |
and you have what, 70-100 mods? |
| 23:29 |
VanessaE |
91. |
| 23:29 |
VanessaE |
some 5000 nodes defined, I think |
| 23:31 |
NekoGloop |
and the game probably STILL runs faster than MC :D |
| 23:32 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 23:32 |
VanessaE |
that I don't know |
| 23:33 |
NekoGloop |
I should work on glooptest |
| 23:34 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 23:34 |
VanessaE |
some folks have been asking for, I think, akalin blocks |
| 23:34 |
NekoGloop |
akalin has blocks |
| 23:34 |
NekoGloop |
you mean kalite? |
| 23:34 |
VanessaE |
then it was a different one |
| 23:34 |
VanessaE |
maybe kalite, yeah |
| 23:34 |
VanessaE |
I don't remember now :P |
| 23:34 |
NekoGloop |
arol? |
| 23:34 |
NekoGloop |
only kalite and arol don't have blocks |
| 23:36 |
VanessaE |
I don't make much use of glooptest myself, so I never remember anyway :) |
| 23:36 |
NekoGloop |
Kalite will need a special processing method to get it's "ingot" and Arol (as well as some other things) will have blocks later |
| 23:37 |
NekoGloop |
You should use the tables :D |
| 23:37 |
NekoGloop |
(which just look cool atm) |
| 23:46 |
NekoGloop |
I might add that running minetest in japanese mode does this [Imgur](http://i.imgur.com/atUdbQ6) |
| 23:46 |
NekoGloop |
erm |
| 23:46 |
NekoGloop |
wrong copy paste field |
| 23:46 |
NekoGloop |
http://i.imgur.com/atUdbQ6.png |
| 23:47 |
Peacock |
which mapgen would be best for a carboniferous world? (ref http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAn0wN9RU1w) |
| 23:48 |
NekoGloop |
singlenode |
| 23:48 |
Peacock |
singlenode? |
| 23:48 |
Peacock |
the whole thing made from one node? |
| 23:48 |
Peacock |
/type |
| 23:50 |
NekoGloop |
http://pastebin.com/1XRPKut1 Line 39: attempt to call a table |
| 23:51 |
Peacock |
whereis glooptest defined? |
| 23:51 |
NekoGloop |
in the master init.lua |
| 23:51 |
Peacock |
presumably before glooptest.tech_module = {}? |
| 23:51 |
Peacock |
is it local? |
| 23:52 |
NekoGloop |
no |
| 23:52 |
VanessaE |
maybe you wanted ipairs(glooptest.tech_module.table_changers) ? |
| 23:52 |
NekoGloop |
for .... in ipairs(glooptest....table_changers)? |
| 23:52 |
VanessaE |
*nod* |
| 23:52 |
Peacock |
for ind,content in glooptest.tech_module.table_changers do |
| 23:52 |
VanessaE |
that's how you walk a table, normally. |
| 23:52 |
Peacock |
^ no pairs() at all from what i can see |
| 23:53 |
Peacock |
for ind,content in pairs(glooptest.tech_module.table_changers) do |
| 23:53 |
NekoGloop |
I've done it without ipairs |
| 23:53 |
VanessaE |
what Peacock said. |
| 23:54 |
NekoGloop |
So the glooptest table, is a table of tables, which is a table of tables, which one of those tables is a table of tables. |
| 23:54 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 23:54 |
VanessaE |
table-ception, etc. |
| 23:54 |
NekoGloop |
tableceptionceptionception |
| 23:54 |
VanessaE |
anyways, |
| 23:54 |
VanessaE |
if you don't use ipairs() to walk the table (or pairs() ) then you have to use some kind of function there. |
| 23:55 |
VanessaE |
since you didn't use a function, but rather you put a table, you have to walk it with pairs/ipairs. |
| 23:55 |
NekoGloop |
well that didn't crash |
| 23:55 |
NekoGloop |
didn't work either, but it didn't crash |
| 23:55 |
VanessaE |
that's a good start :) |
| 23:56 |
NekoGloop |
and glooptest, being a table of tables of tables, one of those being a table of tables... That last table of tables has to do with wooden tables. |
| 23:56 |
NekoGloop |
TABLES |
| 23:57 |
VanessaE |
TABLES!!!! |
| 23:57 |
VanessaE |
:P |
| 23:59 |
NakedFury |
tablelific |
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