Time Nick Message 00:04 us|0gb I'd try it, but my world's rollback.txt is blank. 00:05 zat kik 00:05 us|0gb I mean, I could start a world with one, but it would take quite a while to get a large one. 00:05 zat uh yes 00:05 zat well it depends... you can find some lava spring and drain it to another cave 00:06 zat that would make an instant huge log 00:06 us|0gb rollback.txt captures non-player actions? Okay, I'll go do that. 00:09 zat :P 00:09 zat it guesses who might have done something that triggered that 00:11 us|0gb Okay .... the lava isn't even flowing. I think I bugged something up. 00:11 zat D: 00:12 us|0gb Natural lava isn't flowing either. 00:13 us|0gb Okay, now it is, just rather slowly. 00:13 zat maybe server is over capacity 00:14 us|0gb Okay, I got it working by resetting my settings. 00:19 us|0gb The rollback log didn't get very long. 00:22 us|0gb And natural lava still refuses to flow, though placed and disturbed lava will. 00:35 zat damn 01:19 RedBlade7 hey how do i get the brown-gray rocks? the pickaxe doesnt work, and neither do the shovel or the wood axe 01:20 stormchaser3000 hi 01:20 stormchaser3000 vanessa are you there 01:20 RedBlade7 shi 01:21 RedBlade7 i was just asking, maybe you can answer, how do i mine the reddish-brown rocks? 01:21 RedBlade7 they dont come out with the pickaxe, and the axe and shovel wont work either 01:21 stormchaser3000 a pickaxe wood, stone, steel, diamond, mese 01:22 stormchaser3000 ,bronze 01:22 RedBlade7 my pickaxe is made from a tree 01:22 RedBlade7 how do i get the other ones 01:22 RedBlade7 i see you need the lumps 01:22 RedBlade7 to make ingots 01:23 RedBlade7 will the tree-pickaxe not work for this one rock? 01:24 stormchaser3000 yep 01:24 VanessaE yes 01:24 VanessaE ? 01:25 stormchaser3000 and you can make a stone epick out of the rock to 01:25 VanessaE oh the stones on the surface? try a pck 01:25 VanessaE oh guess you figured it out : 01:25 VanessaE :) 01:25 * VanessaE wanders off again 01:25 stormchaser3000 um vanessa why did you put the parymids mod on you survival server wouldn't that jjust cause lag? 01:25 VanessaE stormchaser3000: not really, no. 01:25 stormchaser3000 oh ok 01:26 RedBlade7 the baked stone can be used with sticks, like the wood was? 01:26 stormchaser3000 um yeah but you don't need to bake it 01:26 stormchaser3000 just mine it then use it with sticks 01:26 stormchaser3000 like a wood pick 01:31 RedBlade7 when you mine it you get cobblestone and have to make it for the stone 01:32 stormchaser3000 ? 01:32 stormchaser3000 just make a pick with the cobble 01:32 RedBlade7 make it->bake it 01:33 stormchaser3000 cobble, cobble, cobble 01:33 RedBlade7 nope needed the stone 01:33 stormchaser3000 ____, stick, _____ 01:34 stormchaser3000 ____, stick, _______ 01:34 stormchaser3000 no cobble will work if nor reload minetest 01:48 RedBlade7 hey it does work with cobble 01:48 RedBlade7 dont know why i missed that boefre 01:48 stormchaser3000 lol 02:07 us|0gb Is it just me, or have YouTube videos been failing to load all day? 02:11 Dark_Soul VanessaE are you there? 02:14 Peacock she's off to London to see the Queen 02:18 Dark_Soul lol ok 02:18 Dark_Soul well does anyone now a auto restart for servers for when they crash 02:19 us|0gb It must be nice to be important enough to get an audience with the queen. 02:19 us|0gb Auto restart? VanessaE has a script for that. I'll see if I can find it. 02:19 Dark_Soul really thanks 02:20 us|0gb I think it's on her GitHub account. 02:20 Dark_Soul now i have to figure out how to let my server with out being on i have tried the wiki thing but doesnt work 02:20 Dark_Soul thanks 0gb 02:22 us|0gb Hmm. I can' find it, but I've seen it before and it's fairly simple. I can probably reproduce it. Hold on a bit. 02:24 us|0gb Dark_Soul, her script is something like this: http://pastebin.com/fNnEetYG 02:24 us|0gb You'll need to add whatever parameters you use to the "minetest" command. 02:25 us|0gb *"minetestserver" 02:25 us|0gb I don't know how she terminates it. Maybe she uses killall or something. 02:26 Dark_Soul ok thanks that would be very ok 02:26 Dark_Soul oops 02:26 Peacock watching Seven days in may - who knew they still had black and white in 64 02:27 us|0gb In 64 what? 1964? 02:28 Peacock well they didn't make movies in 64 or 164 :P 02:28 Peacock 1964 yeah 02:32 Dark_Soul ok well it works but how do i make it not select the world world 02:32 Dark_Soul do i put my world in the minetestserver area 02:33 Peacock math.pow(world,2) 02:34 us|0gb "In 64" could have been 64 bit or something. I was unsure if you even meant a year. 02:34 Peacock naw, Seven days in May came out in 1964 02:35 Dark_Soul what is math.pow (world,2) 02:35 Peacock you said world world :P 02:37 Dark_Soul yes its running the world from the world file named world which i dont even halve that world 02:37 Peacock world/2 02:38 Dark_Soul well i have official been confused 02:38 Peacock "halve that world" 02:38 Dark_Soul half 02:38 Dark_Soul thave 02:38 Dark_Soul tomg 02:38 Dark_Soul why cant i talk 02:39 * us|0gb tries to cleave the world in two 02:39 * us|0gb fails 02:40 Dark_Soul XD 02:40 us|0gb Hmm. It could be done easily in Lua. The question is, should it? 02:40 us|0gb It would be quite amusing to have a fault through the whole map. 02:40 Peacock the 2012 mod lol 02:41 Dark_Soul wait i was to put that in the lua? 02:41 us|0gb Put what in Lua? 02:41 us|0gb And what does this have to do with 2012? 02:41 Dark_Soul btw my one of my servers have been has ate its elf 02:41 Dark_Soul self 02:41 Dark_Soul the command you gave me 02:42 Dark_Soul i put it in the terminal 02:42 us|0gb No, that was to be saves in a file and run in bash. 02:42 us|0gb *saved 02:42 Dark_Soul explain what bash is sorry im a noob when it comes to linux 02:43 us|0gb Do you know what the command line is? 02:43 Dark_Soul in the terminal 02:43 us|0gb Yeah. Run the script in Terminal. 02:44 Dark_Soul ok i did and it kept trying to run it on the world named world for some rease why is that 02:44 us|0gb Change "minetestserver" to "minetestserver --worldname " to choose a different world. 02:45 Dark_Soul ooo so like in windows i got this 02:45 stormchaser3000 how do i cmopile minetest in windows 02:45 us|0gb I wouldn't know how it is in WIndows. 02:45 Dark_Soul i do but it sucks 02:46 us|0gb I also don't know how to compile in Windows, sorry. 02:46 stormchaser3000 :( 02:46 stormchaser3000 i am tring to compile minetest-classic 02:46 stormchaser3000 next brancch there is no windows build for it 02:46 * us|0gb wants so desperately so crack a joke here, but is biting his tongue 02:47 stormchaser3000 lol 02:47 Menche sdzen makes the minetest-classic master builds 02:47 * stormchaser3000 is loling so hard that he can barly breath 02:47 us|0gb Hmm? 02:47 stormchaser3000 jk 02:47 stormchaser3000 i kno 02:47 Menche ? 02:48 stormchaser3000 but i need to ask for the next branch build 02:48 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/whn30Jxf this is what im puting in and its telling me its unavailable 02:48 Menche last time i tried to make a windows build, something wasn't linked right and it couldn't find any libraries 02:49 stormchaser3000 hmmm i folllowed the instucitons in the reeadme file 02:49 Menche i was cross-compiling 02:49 stormchaser3000 and cmake will not compile it right 02:49 Dark_Soul what are you guys trying to do on windows? i can help i think 02:49 Menche what was the output of cmake? 02:49 stormchaser3000 compile minetest 02:49 stormchaser3000 oh awit 02:49 stormchaser3000 um 02:50 stormchaser3000 it was 02:50 stormchaser3000 tsome cmake file=e lists did not mack 02:50 stormchaser3000 mach 02:50 stormchaser3000 i will run it again 02:50 * Menche isn't sure what parts of that were typos :P 02:50 us|0gb Dark_Soul, that code you pasted should work. WHat exactly does it say is unavailable? 02:51 stormchaser3000 CMake Error: CMake was unable to find a build program corresponding to "MinGW Makefiles". CMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM is not set. You probably need to select a different build tool. 02:51 stormchaser3000 CMake Error: CMake was unable to find a build program corresponding to "MinGW Makefiles". CMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM is not set. You probably need to select a different build tool. 02:51 stormchaser3000 CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly. 02:51 stormchaser3000 Missing variable is: 02:51 stormchaser3000 CMAKE_C_COMPILER_ENV_VAR 02:51 stormchaser3000 CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly. 02:51 stormchaser3000 Missing variable is: 02:51 stormchaser3000 CMAKE_C_COMPILER 02:51 stormchaser3000 CMake Error: Could not find cmake module file:C:/Users/ian2/Desktop/CMakeFiles/2.8.11.1/CMakeCCompiler.cmake 02:51 stormchaser3000 CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly. 02:51 stormchaser3000 Missing variable is: 02:51 stormchaser3000 CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER_ENV_VAR 02:51 Menche lol 02:51 Dark_Soul hold on 02:51 Menche calm down ShadowBot 02:52 stormchaser3000 lol 02:52 stormchaser3000 sorry 02:52 stormchaser3000 that was my error 02:52 Menche i would guess that you don't have a compiler installed 02:52 stormchaser3000 and it took more than 19 lines 02:52 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/LamzM4xp there its at the bottom of the paste 02:52 stormchaser3000 i have mingw 02:52 Menche apparently it can't find it 02:52 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/LamzM4xp there its at the bottom of the paste 02:52 Dark_Soul oops why does it do that 02:53 Menche try using cmake . -DCMAKE_C_COMPILER=/path/to/compiler -DCMAKE_CXX_COMPILER=/path/to/compiler 02:53 Menche tell it where mingw is installed 02:53 stormchaser3000 i am using the gui version 02:53 Menche :( 02:53 Menche then enter the path to mingw in those fields in the gui 02:54 stormchaser3000 how 02:54 us|0gb Dark_Soul, try renaming the world/world directory world/DarkNess. 02:54 stormchaser3000 i ccan't 02:54 Menche ? 02:54 us|0gb *worlds 02:55 Dark_Soul ok i think i understand 02:56 Dark_Soul ok i changed the worlds file name to DarkNess and still doesnt work 02:57 us|0gb What worlds does it say are available now? 02:57 Dark_Soul same thing 02:58 us|0gb It says "world" is still available? 02:58 Dark_Soul yes 02:58 Dark_Soul i dont even have the world file idk where its getignthat from 02:58 us|0gb Is this on a remote server or on your local machine? 02:59 Dark_Soul my labtop 02:59 us|0gb Type "minetest" in Terminal and use the graphical interface to make a world with the correct name. 02:59 Dark_Soul ok 03:00 us|0gb While you're at it, you can delete "world" from there if you like. 03:00 Dark_Soul i just did 03:00 Dark_Soul thanks 03:00 Dark_Soul lets try that 03:00 us|0gb Any time. 03:02 Dark_Soul ok i was able to get on but how do i modify the world so that it has everything the other file has? 03:03 us|0gb What did the other on have that this one doesn't? 03:03 us|0gb *one 03:03 Dark_Soul i have been running the server for about 3 weeks on this world and this world is blank i believe 03:03 Dark_Soul hold on 03:04 us|0gb Um. If you had stuff in that world, why did you delete it? 03:04 Dark_Soul i didnt 03:04 Dark_Soul the world file had nothing in it 03:04 us|0gb Oh, I thought you said you deleted it from the graphical interface. 03:04 Dark_Soul yes 03:04 Dark_Soul hold on 03:05 us|0gb Was "world" the world you had for three weeks, or was it another world? 03:05 Dark_Soul hold another world hold on plz 03:08 RedBlade7 what do you do with bones 03:08 RedBlade7 oh ok 03:08 RedBlade7 got it 03:08 us|0gb Build graveyards. 03:08 Dark_Soul for somereason it telling me wrong password when trying to load on singleplayer 03:08 RedBlade7 no wait it doesnt 03:09 RedBlade7 how do i pick it up 03:09 us|0gb take the stuff out, then pick it up. 03:09 Dark_Soul i have modified the bonemeal t otake the bones that you leave when you doe to make bone meal with 03:09 us|0gb Dark_Soul, if someone created an account named singleplayer, you are locked out of single player mode. 03:10 RedBlade7 cool 03:11 Dark_Soul ok 03:11 Dark_Soul i can delete that tehn 03:11 us|0gb Delete what? 03:14 Dark_Soul the singleplayer file but still doesnt work 03:15 us|0gb It's not that file that would need to be deleted, it's the passwords file, auth.txt. Best not delete that though. 03:18 Dark_Soul ok i found a fix for temp if i close the terminal i can load the old world fine and dandy but if iload that other world it doesnt work how do i get my world file on the graphics thing 03:20 cy1 I need a way to tell if a chest is full, with mesecons... 03:20 us|0gb cy1, might require a custom script to do. 03:21 cy1 us|0gb: I was looking at luacontroller, but I don't think it can query surrounding nodes... 03:21 us|0gb Dark_Soul, start the server, then log in from the client. Don't choose "Single Player", choose "multiplayer". The address is "localhost". 03:21 Dark_Soul yes i know but its a blank world 03:22 us|0gb cy1, I mean an actual Lua file. You might have to make a new node for that. 03:22 cy1 Items that try to go in a full chest get bounced back and try alternate pipeworks routes. Then they pop out as entities if nothing is found. 03:22 cy1 us|0gb: Nooo don't say that :'( 03:22 us|0gb Sorry, there might be a way, I'm just not aware of it. 03:22 us|0gb And new nodes aren't SO bad. 03:22 cy1 I could just have the entities hit a pressure plate. Would lose 1 item every entity expiration though. 03:23 us|0gb Dark_Soul, somehow, you're ending up in a different world. I don't know how. 03:23 cy1 us|0gb: but convincing jeija to use it is the hard part. 03:23 Dark_Soul yes i know 03:23 cy1 If only there was an item that fired a mesecon oh detector tubes of course 03:26 us|0gb So you are logging in as you and entering your password and such? 03:26 stormchaser3000 how about an mese amror pach for the 3darmor mod that is as goo as diamond bu will activate mescon circuts when on cantact 03:27 Dark_Soul yes and its a complete new world no mods no nothing 03:28 us|0gb I don't know how that could be happening. I'm sorry, I'm out of ideas. Maybe someone else here will know how to fix it. 03:29 Dark_Soul well thanks for everythign 03:29 Dark_Soul well all i have found is it opening a older version of minetest 03:30 us|0gb You have two versions of Minetest running? 03:30 Dark_Soul i have 1 on windows and linux but im on linux and they are both 0.4.7 03:31 us|0gb Are both the server and the client currently running on GNU/Linux? 03:32 Dark_Soul well both have worlds but i havent use windows in over a month 03:35 stormchaser3000 well who wants to play on ogb.us 03:36 stormchaser3000 0gb.us* 03:39 Dark_Soul 0gb i found something 03:39 us|0gb WHat did you find? 03:41 Dark_Soul i managed to get it where it would load th server and it wouldnt load and give me a error and this is what it said 03:41 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/yXVp8wVX 03:41 Dark_Soul it says stuff about what minetest its loading 03:42 us|0gb Open Terminal. Type "killall minetest". 03:43 Dark_Soul ok 03:43 Dark_Soul minetest: no process found 03:43 Dark_Soul it gave me that 03:44 us|0gb Oops, my bad. I meant "killall minetestserver". 03:44 Dark_Soul ok 03:45 Dark_Soul same thing 03:45 us|0gb Okay, try "minetestserver --worldname DarkNess". 03:46 Dark_Soul ok 03:46 Dark_Soul wo 03:47 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/nsJQJxvg 03:48 us|0gb Not "killall minetestserver --worldname DarkNess". Just "minetestserver --worldname DarkNess". Leave off the "killall" part. 03:48 Dark_Soul ok 03:49 Dark_Soul it just started the blank world agia 03:50 us|0gb And you don't get a blank world when you start it in single player mode? 03:50 Dark_Soul if i was to close the server yes 03:51 us|0gb WHat do you do to start the Minetest client? 03:51 Dark_Soul how do i usaully start my server? 03:52 us|0gb Not the server. The client. The one that lets you play the game. 03:52 Dark_Soul i got to server and got to favorites and click on my ip and log in 03:52 Dark_Soul but i have no pirvs or anythin 03:53 us|0gb If you are clicking on your IP address, you already have the client open. THat window is the client window. How do you open that window? 03:54 Dark_Soul idk what you mean i havent been on windows in over 4 weeks 03:54 us|0gb Not Windows, the window. 03:54 * Dark_Soul is linux noob 03:54 Dark_Soul ok yes 03:54 us|0gb The game runs in a window, right? 03:54 Dark_Soul its runnign in the terminal 03:54 Dark_Soul yes 03:55 us|0gb How do you open it in Terminal? 03:55 Dark_Soul typed the minetestserver --worldname DarkNess and it started the server 03:56 Menche it couldn't find windows.h. that sounds important. 03:56 us|0gb Not that window. Not the server. Do you know the window that has the Minetest logo and lets you see what you're doing in the game? The window with the log in screen? 03:57 Dark_Soul omg Menche was so quite i was wonderign if he was still alive 03:57 Dark_Soul yes 03:57 Menche i'd even marked myself as "away"... 03:57 Dark_Soul i didnt see that 03:57 us|0gb No. Menche has been a zombie for some time, but it's okay. He's a friendly and intelligent zombie. 03:58 Dark_Soul lol 03:58 Menche geek zombies eat CPUs instead of brains. 03:58 Menche you're safe. 03:58 us|0gb Ah, that explains it. 03:59 Dark_Soul lol 03:59 us|0gb Dark_Soul, do you click an icon in the menu to open Minetest, or do you enter "minetest" into Terminal, or how do you open it? 03:59 Dark_Soul click on the icon 04:00 us|0gb Okay. Is the server still running right now? 04:00 Dark_Soul yes 04:00 us|0gb Open a second Terminal. 04:00 us|0gb Type "minetest". 04:00 Dark_Soul tho some of the water is invisiable i hate the blue lines 04:00 Dark_Soul ok 04:00 us|0gb Try logging into the server with that. 04:01 Menche Anyone know how to reset where the compiler looks for system header files? I seem to recall there being some environment variable. 04:01 stormchaser3000 hi 04:01 us|0gb Hello! 04:01 Menche the root of my cross-compiler toolchain is a bit different than it expects 04:01 stormchaser3000 who wants to playhunger games? 04:02 us|0gb Sorry, I'm busy being tech support. 04:02 Menche lol 04:02 stormchaser3000 lol 04:02 stormchaser3000 i might=t need it to 04:02 Menche so might is set to 't' 04:02 us|0gb You came to the right place then. 04:02 stormchaser3000 i am tringto compile mientest on winddows 04:02 Menche stap maeking tyops 04:02 stormchaser3000 lol 04:03 us|0gb Ah. If it's Windows support you need, you'll need to wait for Windows Minetest tech support. I'm afraid I am not he. 04:03 * Menche is trying to cross-compile minetest for windows on minetest 04:03 Dark_Soul ok that fixed the water problem but not the world problem 04:03 Menche *on linux 04:03 Menche that made no sense., 04:03 Menche compiling minetest on minetest. right. 04:03 stormchaser3000 lol 04:03 stormchaser3000 lol 04:04 Menche i suppose if someone made a big enough mesecons computer... 04:04 stormchaser3000 yeah we all are 04:04 us|0gb Compiling on Minetest. An interesting thought. I wonder if Jeija'a mesecons can handle compiling. 04:04 * us|0gb types too slowly 04:04 Menche i know that some minecraft players have made restone computers with memory and the ability to save/load programs 04:04 us|0gb Dark_Soul, open ~/.minetest/minetest.conf 04:04 Dark_Soul ok 04:04 Menche mesecons should be able to do that more compact, with micro/luacontrollers 04:05 Menche of course, using luacontrollers would sort of be cheating, as a luacontroller *is* like a small computer. 04:05 us|0gb Look for a line that begins with "port = ". 04:05 * Menche stops babbling and gets back to work 04:06 stormchaser3000 lol i am at port + 04:06 stormchaser3000 =* 04:06 stormchaser3000 port = 04:06 us|0gb Sorry, not you. Dark_Soul needs to find that line. 04:07 Dark_Soul permission denide 04:07 us|0gb I don't know to compile on Windows. 04:07 Menche maybe i'll reboot into my windows installation and try 04:07 Menche or start up my windows vm 04:08 us|0gb Denied? I think you might have found the wrong file somehow, though I could be wrong. Open Terminal and type "gedit ~/.minetest/minetest.conf"/ 04:08 Menche (my windows vm seems convinced that i pirated it, even though i used a valid key) 04:08 stormchaser3000 i could start my linux vm 04:08 stormchaser3000 and compile minetest from there 04:08 stormchaser3000 (fedora) 04:08 Dark_Soul ok it opened the config file 04:09 us|0gb Look for a line that begins with "port = ". 04:09 Dark_Soul ok 04:09 Dark_Soul it says 30000 04:09 Menche anyone know how to modify the header file search path? 04:10 us|0gb Menche, I don't know if this is what you need? http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/Search-Path.html 04:11 Menche i suppose i could add that to my C_FLAGS and CXX_FLAGS 04:11 us|0gb Dark_Soul, what does the line starting with "address = " say? 04:11 Dark_Soul its blank 04:11 stormchaser3000 ok how to make a server 04:12 Dark_Soul storm i got you there 04:12 Dark_Soul i can tell you how 04:12 Dark_Soul just let me finish with 0gb ok 04:12 us|0gb THat means you haven't been loging in to localhost. Change that line to "address = localhost". 04:13 Dark_Soul ok 04:13 Dark_Soul ok done 04:13 Menche oh, the windoze build code uses BACKSLASHES in paths 04:13 Menche grrr 04:13 us|0gb Wait, close the Terminal running "minetest" before doing that, but leave the one running "minetestserver" up. 04:13 Dark_Soul ok 04:14 Dark_Soul ok 04:14 us|0gb Now hit control + s to save the file. 04:14 Dark_Soul already saved 04:14 us|0gb Open Minetest from your menu. 04:14 Dark_Soul ok 04:15 us|0gb Go to the Multiplayer tab. 04:15 Dark_Soul ok 04:15 us|0gb Does it have a field that says "localhost"? 04:16 Dark_Soul wait dude you made me close the 1 that had that version of minetest open 04:16 Dark_Soul i dont have multi player just servers 04:17 us|0gb I don't think I'm understanding what you are seeing. 04:17 us|0gb How did you install Minetest? 04:18 us|0gb Did you find it in the Software Center? 04:18 Dark_Soul i went to this one thing of forums that i had to paste in the terminal 04:18 Dark_Soul n 04:18 Dark_Soul no 04:18 us|0gb Okay. Good. 04:19 Dark_Soul and it installed the latest version of minetest the unstable 04:20 us|0gb Okay, unstable. It looks like there's a changed from the stable version that I didn't know about. 04:20 Dark_Soul yea 04:20 Dark_Soul i hate unstable so much 04:20 us|0gb Go to the "server" tab then. 04:20 Dark_Soul ok 04:21 us|0gb Do you see a field that says "localhost"? 04:21 Dark_Soul no 04:21 stormchaser3000 itt will not say local host 04:21 Dark_Soul sorry i ment the cliet tab has all the server stuff on it but no its not there 04:22 us|0gb Oh, what? Sorry, the unstable Minetest is more different than I thought. Go to the "Client" tab. 04:22 us|0gb So it doesn't have "localhost" in the client tab either? 04:22 stormchaser3000 yep and still no local host 04:22 Dark_Soul no 04:23 stormchaser3000 do you tpe it in on the address bar 04:23 us|0gb Did you close the window with the configuration in it? 04:23 stormchaser3000 local host 04:23 stormchaser3000 or 127.0.0.1 04:24 stormchaser3000 is he trining to log into his own server 04:24 stormchaser3000 tehn use 127.0.0.1 04:24 Dark_Soul i know my own ip 04:24 stormchaser3000 instead of local host 04:24 Dark_Soul why not put that there 04:24 us|0gb Yeah, but right now I'm trying to figure out why his conf is disconnected from the game. 04:24 stormchaser3000 it won't work 04:25 us|0gb Dark_Soul, is the config file still open? 04:25 stormchaser3000 0gb 04:25 Dark_Soul hold on i think i fixed it 04:25 us|0gb Okay. 04:25 stormchaser3000 couldn't he just type in localhost or 127.0.0.1 04:25 stormchaser3000 on the adress bar 04:26 Dark_Soul yes thats what i did 04:26 stormchaser3000 ok 04:26 us|0gb Is it working now? 04:26 stormchaser3000 use 127.0.0.1 04:26 Dark_Soul nope 04:26 stormchaser3000 i can't get local host to work 04:26 Dark_Soul still this blank world no mods 04:26 us|0gb Is the config file still open? 04:26 Dark_Soul yes 04:27 us|0gb stormchaser3000, "local host" will not work because it's "localhost", not "local host". The space matters. 04:27 us|0gb Dark_Soul, close the config file. 04:27 Dark_Soul ok 04:27 us|0gb Then use the same command to reopen it. 04:27 Dark_Soul ok 04:27 Dark_Soul ok? 04:27 Dark_Soul done 04:28 us|0gb Look for the "address = " line. Does it still say "localhost"? 04:28 Dark_Soul yep 04:29 us|0gb And you had the Minetest window closed when you made the change, right? 04:29 Dark_Soul no hold on 04:29 Dark_Soul ok now i did 04:30 us|0gb Close the config file and reopen it while Minetest is closed. 04:30 ndjdjksisksk hi 04:30 us|0gb Hello! 04:31 Dark_Soul yes i did 04:31 us|0gb And the address line still says localhost? 04:31 Dark_Soul ye 04:31 Dark_Soul yes 04:33 us|0gb Okay. Close the conf file and type "minetest" into Terminal. 04:33 Dark_Soul ok 04:34 Dark_Soul ok i see my ip at the bottom 04:34 us|0gb Something's off ... 04:35 us|0gb Okay, try logging in with your user name and password. 04:35 Dark_Soul i did its the blank world 04:36 ndjdjksisksk i am stormchaser3000 i had to timee out 04:37 stormchaser3000 ok lol now i ccan us=se my new username 04:38 stormchaser3000 stormchaser3000 04:38 stormchaser3000 lol i used to use ndjdjksisksk 04:38 stormchaser3000 so hi 04:38 stormchaser3000 anyway how do i make a server 04:38 stormchaser3000 i have tried 04:38 stormchaser3000 but failed 04:39 Dark_Soul ummm this isnt good my players are joining and this is a blank world 04:39 cy1 Is there a switch circuit in mesecons? I was trying an RS latch, but if the input didn't last long enough it'd turn into a clock. 04:39 stormchaser3000 oh no 04:39 stormchaser3000 hey ddark can i join you server 04:40 Dark_Soul idc but you cant do anything its piont less 04:40 stormchaser3000 what is your ip 04:40 stormchaser3000 i know 04:40 stormchaser3000 and port 04:41 Dark_Soul the ip is the 75.131 one on server list 04:41 us|0gb So the world is still the old world, but only if you start it a certain way? 04:41 stormchaser3000 ok 04:41 cy1 Turns into a clock and lags the server I might add. 04:41 us|0gb Sorry, for the delay, my mother likes to tell stories. 04:41 Dark_Soul yes 04:42 Dark_Soul the way weir i have to be on for it to be up 04:42 us|0gb I don't see why this would be happening. I'm not sure I can debug this from afar. I'm sorry. 04:43 Dark_Soul its fine 04:44 * Menche thinks he finally got a windows cross-compile build to work 04:44 stormchaser3000 how do i make a server 04:47 cy1 I just want to make an automatically feeding furnace... 04:48 us|0gb stormchaser3000, open Terminal and type "minetestserver". 04:49 cy1 Everything works, but when the final product chest fills up, it just starts spitting out entities. 04:50 us|0gb I imagine that is a pain. 04:50 us|0gb How are you feeding the furnace? 04:50 Menche stormchaser3000, did you ever get minetest-classic:next to build? I made a windows build that I tested successfully in wine: http://menche.us/files/minetest-1310.00-win32.zip 04:51 cy1 us|0gb: A blinky plant hits a filter which sends items from a chest through pipeworks. 04:52 us|0gb So there is an input chest and an output chest? 04:52 us|0gb *chest(s) 04:53 Menche someone on my old server made what he called a "quad-smelter"; it was 4 furnaces connected by pipeworks pipes that automatically balanced the smelting job across the furnaces. 04:53 cy1 us|0gb: yeah, two input actually one for fuel. Though the output could be that, if I was cooking coal for instance. 04:54 us|0gb cy1, with one raw material input chest, why does it overflow one output chest? 04:54 cy1 us|0gb: Perhaps people keep adding stuff to the input chest. 04:54 stormchaser3000 ok dark 04:55 stormchaser3000 what map are you puting up 04:55 stormchaser3000 ? 04:55 us|0gb So this isn't your own device, but a public device. 04:55 cy1 us|0gb: Sure, whatever. It's a theoretical at this point. I was going to make it public. 04:56 cy1 Menche: That's neat! 04:56 cy1 I'd like to see it, certainly. 04:56 VanessaE there it is. HDX supports dan's castle+ mod. 04:56 VanessaE and now, I'm off to bed. 04:57 cy1 Bye VanessaE! 04:57 us|0gb Ah. Dealing with human stupidity/maliciousness/honest-error makes it harder. I'm going to have to fall back to my "needs new code" answer then. 04:58 us|0gb Honestly, that ode SHOULD be in there. 04:58 us|0gb *code 04:58 us|0gb Good night! 04:58 cy1 It'd be child's play to make chests and furnaces output digiline messages. The trouble is in getting permission. 04:58 Menche that old world is 670 MB in tar.xz format 04:59 Menche 100 more MB in zip 04:59 cy1 Also I have yet to find a working switch circuit with mesecons. :/ 04:59 us|0gb cy1, I'd try to get permission. It seems like a critical functionality, not just for your intended purpose. 05:00 cy1 Oh hey lua controllers can store persistent memory. That'll work as a switch! 05:00 cy1 us|0gb: Sure, I'll submit a pull request maybe... 05:02 khonkhortisan I made a two-wire swapper based on side, haven't used it yet 05:04 us|0gb cy1, maybe talk to Jeija before writing the code. See if Jeija is even open to the idea. 05:05 cy1 Well jeija just made digilines so it probably is up for grabs 05:05 cy1 He might object to monkey patching them into default chests. 05:08 us|0gb Oh, I forgot the pipeworks things aren't tied to mesecons/digilines. 05:08 us|0gb Pipeworks already monkey patched the chests, so I was thinking that wouldn't be an issue. 05:09 cy1 A digiline going to a controller could toggle a mesecon signal to stop the injectors if the chest is full. 05:10 khonkhortisan it's not an issue for two mods to override the same node, as long as they don't copy the whole node code. 05:10 us|0gb AH, right. The controller node. So maybe it would be pulled. I'm not sure. 05:10 khonkhortisan You have to read the node after it's loaded before changing a part it 05:10 cy1 Wonder what the "receptor" field is for. Jeija uses it not, and receives signals in the "effector" field <_< 05:10 us|0gb khonkhortisan, the second node overwrite removes the first though. 05:10 khonkhortisan if it does that, it's overwriting it incorrectly. 05:11 cy1 Yeah, the second node should keep the code from the first, and execute it when possible. 05:11 khonkhortisan If you are changing tiles, you don't have to re-write nodebox. 05:11 us|0gb to overwrite it "correctly", you have to use some hacky code to copy the array due to Minetest locking the array against modification. 05:11 khonkhortisan it should read registered_nodes directly 05:12 khonkhortisan that's a partial lock, against addition. modification is still allowed. 05:12 us|0gb You should be able to modify the array then pass it back to the registration function, but you can't do that. 05:12 cy1 hacky_swap_node is terrible and needs fixing. 05:12 us|0gb cy1, yes, it's even in the name. 05:13 khonkhortisan "When you assign a value to an absent index in a table, the interpreter looks for a __newindex metamethod" 05:13 us|0gb Addition needs to be allowed, it's needed as much as any other modification. 05:13 cy1 I don't like how nodes are registered, because that registry goes into a C structure inaccessible from the lua, so you can't even get at the data. IIRC at least 05:13 us|0gb cy1, there's an array of the node data in Lua. 05:14 khonkhortisan yeah 05:14 us|0gb minetest.registered_nodes[node.name] 05:14 cy1 I know, but changing that doesn't change the nodes in the game. 05:14 cy1 or something. I forget the exact issue. 05:14 us|0gb Right, you have to reregister it after that. 05:15 khonkhortisan minetest.registered_nodes[node.name].tiles = "myfile.png" should work, but minetest.registered_nodes[node.name].myvar = myvalue won't 05:15 khonkhortisan at least without a table copy 05:16 cy1 thus hacky_swap_node... 05:16 us|0gb Copying the table can only be doe one table item at a time, which is hacky. 05:16 khonkhortisan I thought that was for moving two nodes physically in the world 05:16 us|0gb *done 05:16 cy1 Uh, yeah. You're right. Now I'm really confused... 05:28 cy1 I still say minetest needs a require system not dofile grumble 05:28 us|0gb WHat would be the difference? 05:29 Dark_Soul 0gb i jsut thought of something 05:29 us|0gb You could add "require = dofile" to make require() work, probably. 05:29 Dark_Soul cant i use the terminial t ogo to places like files? 05:30 us|0gb Terminal can't go places. Unless you mean the "cd" command. 05:30 us|0gb What do you mean? 05:31 cy1 us|0gb: The difference would be if you wanted to use someone else's module, you could get it without having to re-evaluate the file. 05:31 cy1 also namespaces 05:31 Dark_Soul yes well its opening another world a blank world right so its stored some whereso i jus tgo there and place all the world info in there and done i have the server back 05:31 cy1 dofile("something.lua"); something.foo() = BAD 05:31 us|0gb Namespaces are a wonderful feature, but I fail to see what they have to do with require. 05:31 cy1 local something = require("something.lua"); something.foo() = GOOD 05:32 VanessaE bah, so much for that idea. 05:32 cy1 With dofile a module has to define globals, hoping they're not defined elsewhere. With require you don't. 05:32 VanessaE sleep ain't happening. 05:32 us|0gb Okay, so not just require, but some packaging code. 05:32 cy1 packaging code...? 05:33 cy1 It's not dependency tracking persay. That's what depends.txt is. 05:33 us|0gb To package all the required file's code into a table. 05:33 us|0gb Dark_Soul, if you can find the world's data, that should work. 05:33 Dark_Soul ok 05:33 cy1 Well, not necessarily all its code. The local variables wouldn't be preserved. You could even do something like javascript does, and have the module set attributes of "exports" to get exports. 05:34 us|0gb Yes, but the point isn't that it needs to be required, it's that it need to be stored in a table. I used to require files all the time and they never ended up in arrays/tables. 05:35 us|0gb Require isn't the same in every language. 05:35 cy1 Every file in lua is implicitly wrapped in a function. dofile uses loadfile to load that function, and then just calls module(). So any file you can put "return 42" to return a value, which is then discarded by dofile. 05:35 us|0gb What needs to happen is that plugin writers need to wrap their cod in tables then. 05:35 cy1 I suppose. 05:36 cy1 Plugin writers need to write less globals. 05:36 cy1 And they can't because dofile requires that you do. 05:36 us|0gb I already do that, and many others do as well. But some lazy people don't. 05:36 us|0gb Globals can be stashed in a single global table. 05:37 Dark_Soul whats the cd command now? 05:37 us|0gb This sounds like a "people need to write cleaner code" issue, not a "new feature needed" issue. 05:38 us|0gb Dark_Soul, cd lets you change the directory Terminal is acting on. 05:38 Dark_Soul ij how do i use it 05:38 us|0gb It probably won't help you right now. 05:38 Dark_Soul doesnt hurt to try 05:38 us|0gb Type "cd ". 05:38 Dark_Soul ok 05:39 us|0gb But it can only take you where you know you're going. 05:39 cy1 us|0gb: https://github.com/cyisfor/require/blob/master/init.lua 05:40 cy1 How can you write cleaner code, when you always have to spell minetest "minetest" :p 05:41 us|0gb Asside from capitalization, is that not the correct spelling? 05:43 cy1 I might need it to be minetestModule, if I'm using the name minetest. It's more obvious with things like the "locks" global. 05:43 cy1 if locks ~= nil then locks = oops... 05:43 us|0gb Is your code supposed to evaluate only part of a file? 05:44 cy1 It is supposed to evaluate a file only once, and not just throw away its return value. 05:44 us|0gb I was unaware files had return values in Lua. 05:45 cy1 They do. dofile just discards it. loadfile will return a function, which encapsulates the code in the file. 05:45 cy1 sadly this function cannot take arguments. 05:45 us|0gb Maybe that's why I didn't understand what you wanted. 05:45 cy1 (you can return a function that taes arguments though) 05:45 us|0gb So what does a file's return value tell you? 05:54 cy1 You can put a "return" statement in your file us|0gb. Otherwise it's just nil. 05:55 cy1 Really I'm quibbling over semantics, and require works as a module so idk 05:56 us|0gb Okay, I thought a return statement terminated the file and the value was not returned. 05:56 cy1 It was returned, just discarded by dofile. 05:56 us|0gb I'm not sure how to make that useful though, even if we could capture that value. 05:57 Dark_Soul wow finding this file is hard 05:57 us|0gb Dark_Soul, try shutting down the server. Then open Terminal and type "minetest". 05:57 Dark_Soul ok 05:57 cy1 us|0gb: Well, what I do is var mod = require('somemod','something') where the return value is... yeah 05:58 us|0gb You said you can join the correct world when the server is off, right? Do it. We'll make Terminal tell us where the file is. 05:58 Dark_Soul ok 05:58 Dark_Soul no open it the way where i cna join the correct world right 05:59 Dark_Soul now 05:59 us|0gb Yeah, but what useful value could we return that wouldn't be better of in one of the global tables? 05:59 us|0gb Right. 05:59 Dark_Soul ok hold on 06:00 Dark_Soul ok i just started the server the right way 06:00 Dark_Soul next 06:00 us|0gb Pastbin the output from Terminal. 06:00 Dark_Soul ummmm 06:01 Dark_Soul i would have to get it out of the debug cuase i dont get anythign ong my terminal i never run my server threw the terminal 06:02 us|0gb Run "minetest" in Terminal, then go to your world. That wy, there will be Terminal output. 06:02 us|0gb *way 06:02 Dark_Soul ok 06:06 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/Vkf0yc8w 06:08 us|0gb That output is just trippy ... THe Minetest logo never showed up? 06:09 Dark_Soul no 06:09 Dark_Soul cuase i have t obe one to start the right server and that doesnt show on the terminal 06:10 us|0gb I think your world might be in the Twilight Zone. 06:10 us|0gb When I start a world in the client, I still get the Minetest logo. 06:10 Dark_Soul in the what 06:10 us|0gb In Terminal. 06:10 Dark_Soul i do to but in th edebug 06:10 Dark_Soul here hold on 06:11 us|0gb The Terminal output should match the debug.txt output, last I knew. 06:12 Menche what's all the CXFileReader messages there? 06:13 Dark_Soul here hold onhttp://pastebin.com/npRC9Wny 06:13 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/npRC9Wny 06:13 us|0gb More Twilight Zone data, I assume, Menche. 06:13 us|0gb I found your world. 06:14 Dark_Soul that is the original world 06:14 Dark_Soul wait a min 06:14 Dark_Soul i just relized something 06:14 us|0gb It's in the ~/minetest directory. 06:14 Dark_Soul hold give me a sec 06:14 us|0gb It should be in the ~/.minetest directory. 06:15 Menche there's both a minetest and a .minetest folder? that could get confusing. 06:15 us|0gb I think whatever command you used to install it is bugged up and made the client read from ~/minetest and the server read from ~/.minetest. 06:16 us|0gb At least we're mostly back to the world of reality now. A fix should be but a file move away now. 06:17 Menche great. my windows installation suddenly decided that it was pirated. 06:17 us|0gb Try running "mv ~/minetest/worlds/DarkNess ~/.minetest/worlds" in Terminal. 06:17 Dark_Soul pl 06:18 us|0gb Opps, first delete the blank world. 06:18 Dark_Soul ok 06:18 us|0gb Menche, time for new wallpaper: http://gallery.techcode.org/albums/album13/ms_windows_xp_pirated_edition_1024x768.jpg 06:19 Menche it reset my wallpaper to plain black in it's temper tantrum :( 06:19 Dark_Soul it did nothing 06:20 * Menche ponders whether or not to download M$ spyware in order to try to fix that 06:20 us|0gb Dark_Soul, try "minetestserver --worldname DarkNess", then log in. It should work this time. 06:20 us|0gb What spyware would fix that? 06:21 Dark_Soul well it loaded a ton of stuff 06:21 Dark_Soul so i think it worked 06:21 us|0gb Okay, good. 06:21 Menche microsoft validation stuff 06:21 us|0gb !next 06:21 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 06:21 * Menche isn't sure he wants to know what it is installing right now 06:22 us|0gb I would want to know what is on my system. 06:22 Menche yeah 06:22 Dark_Soul crap XD 06:22 us|0gb That's why whenever I see a file I don't know anything about, I delete it. 06:22 us|0gb What happened? 06:22 Dark_Soul everythign changed to unkown 06:23 us|0gb Okay, that's fixable. Shut down the server. 06:23 Dark_Soul its the correct world but didnt load any mods 06:23 us|0gb Are the "mods" in ~/.minetest/mods? 06:23 Dark_Soul yes 06:24 Dark_Soul all where they belong 06:24 us|0gb Open Minetest again. 06:24 Dark_Soul it is 06:24 Dark_Soul minetest 06:24 us|0gb Do you see your world in the server tab? 06:25 Dark_Soul i shut it down 06:25 Dark_Soul cuase you said to 06:25 us|0gb No, I mean in the local server tab, not the client tab. We want it shut down while you do this. 06:26 Dark_Soul ok 06:26 Dark_Soul hold on 06:26 us|0gb Is it on the list though? 06:26 Dark_Soul no 06:26 * Menche wonders why BlockMen is porting so many minecraft features verbatim 06:26 Dark_Soul the copyis 06:26 Menche he's making a nether mod that is almost exactly the same 06:26 us|0gb What copy? 06:26 Dark_Soul the back up 06:27 us|0gb The back up is on your server list? 06:27 Dark_Soul i copied it right be for we started this i haven moved it to a drive yet 06:28 us|0gb Yeah, your client and server are indeed reading from different places. Whatever command you ran to install it didn't install it correctly. 06:29 Dark_Soul well so the server is lost? 06:29 us|0gb No, but it might be good to remove Minetest and reinstall it correctly later. 06:29 Dark_Soul ok 06:30 us|0gb I'm looking up what we need now to fix the world. 06:30 Dark_Soul ok 06:30 us|0gb Okay, we'll do this the hard way. Open Terminal and type "gedit ~/.minetest/worlds/DarkNess/world.mt". 06:30 Dark_Soul ok 06:31 us|0gb Really, ShadowBot? 06:31 Dark_Soul ??? what i didnt ever type anything 06:31 us|0gb Sorry about that. ShadowBot is misbehaving a bit. 06:31 Dark_Soul ok 06:32 Dark_Soul ok type what now? 06:32 us|0gb Pastebin the text that came up. 06:32 Dark_Soul o 06:32 Dark_Soul i didnt even get ot read what you said before i got kicked 06:32 us|0gb Okay, we'll do this the hard way. Open Terminal and type "gedit ~/.minetest/worlds/DarkNess/world.mt". 06:33 Dark_Soul lol well no need to paste it 06:33 Dark_Soul gameid = minetest 06:33 Dark_Soul thats it 06:33 us|0gb Vary your responses a bit. Shadowbot got mad that you kept saying "ok". 06:34 Dark_Soul oic 06:34 us|0gb THat ...'s it? 06:34 Dark_Soul yea 06:35 us|0gb Are you wanting all the "mods" you put in ~/.minetest/mods to be installed to this world, or only some of them? 06:35 Dark_Soul all 06:36 us|0gb Type "ls ~/.minetest/mods" into terminal to get a list of them. 06:36 Dark_Soul but i still want them where i can mess wit hthem cuase one is my mod and its the only copy and im still working on it 06:36 us|0gb They'll still be editable. 06:36 Dark_Soul ok good 06:37 us|0gb The developers just recently made it harder to install them. It's a way better system, but less newbie friendly. 06:37 Dark_Soul no such file 06:38 us|0gb Okay, run "mv ~/minetest/mods ~/.minetest". 06:38 Dark_Soul said nothing 06:39 Dark_Soul ok 06:39 Dark_Soul they are all where they need to be 06:39 us|0gb Next run "minetestserver --worldname DarkNess", let it load, then shut it down. 06:40 Dark_Soul ok done 06:41 us|0gb Go back to the text window that just had "gameid = minetest". 06:41 us|0gb Does it ask to reload? 06:41 Dark_Soul ok 06:41 Dark_Soul no cuase i closed it but now it has alot of stuff 06:42 us|0gb Okay, everywhere that it says "false" should be changed to "true". 06:42 us|0gb Each one controls whether one of the "mods" loads or not. 06:43 Dark_Soul ummmm i just checked where i always have my mods at and the whole mod file is gone 06:43 us|0gb THat's because you had it in the wrong place. You moved it to the right place. 06:43 Dark_Soul o ok 06:44 us|0gb They are at ~/.minetest/mods 06:44 Dark_Soul ok 06:44 us|0gb Note the dot in that name. 06:44 Dark_Soul yes 06:44 us|0gb Try starting the server and seeing if it works now. 06:44 Dark_Soul well ok i changed them all 06:44 Dark_Soul kk 06:47 Dark_Soul perfect 06:47 Dark_Soul so I dont have to be on at all times anymore right? 06:49 us|0gb Right. This will be permanent unless you undo some of it. 06:50 us|0gb You may want to fix your Minetest installation though. What command did you use to install it? 06:50 Dark_Soul ok 06:50 Dark_Soul idk VanessaE gave it to me 06:50 * VanessaE hides 06:50 Dark_Soul lol 06:51 us|0gb Hmm. Well that's not very nice of her to hand out bugged up commands. 06:51 us|0gb VanessaE, did it install it as a package? 06:51 VanessaE what bugged command? 06:51 Dark_Soul -.- i will not piont fingers ....... VanessaE did it! :P 06:52 VanessaE us|0gb: likely I pointed him to the nightlies PPA 06:52 us|0gb The one to install Minetest. It made the server read from ~/.minetest but the client read from ~/minetest 06:52 us|0gb Hmm. THat's odd indeed. 06:52 VanessaE he's probably running two separate copies - an old run-in-place build and a system-wide build from the ppa 06:53 us|0gb Dark_Soul, in Terminal, type "ls ~/.local/share/applications". 06:53 Dark_Soul ok 06:53 us|0gb Does it list minetest.desktop? 06:53 Dark_Soul nope 06:54 Dark_Soul mimeapps.list 06:54 Dark_Soul thats what it gave me 06:54 Menche if it's installed from the ppa, wouldn't it be in /usr/share/applications ? 06:54 us|0gb Menche, yeah, unless it was the stray run-in-place copy. 06:56 us|0gb Dark_Soul, one last time, type "minetest" in Terminal. 06:56 Dark_Soul ok 06:56 Dark_Soul ok 06:56 Dark_Soul im there 06:56 us|0gb Are you able to see your world in the server list or is it the backup copy still? 06:57 Dark_Soul i see my world 06:58 us|0gb VanessaE is right. You have an extra copy of Minetest. 06:58 us|0gb Do you have an admin account on your computer? 06:58 Menche should probably remove the "minetest" folder (without the dot) 06:58 Dark_Soul only 1 account and thats mine so im on it 06:59 Dark_Soul so what do i need to do 06:59 us|0gb Type "gksudo gedit /usr/share/applications/minetest.desktop". 06:59 us|0gb Look for a line that begins with "exec". 06:59 us|0gb Oh, and you'll need your password for that command. 07:00 Dark_Soul ok yea i all ready bput it in 07:00 Dark_Soul ok i see that line 07:00 us|0gb WHat does that line say? 07:01 Dark_Soul Minetest 07:01 us|0gb This is case sensitive. Is it capitalized like that? 07:01 Dark_Soul yes 07:01 us|0gb Change it to lower case and save. 07:02 Dark_Soul ok 07:02 us|0gb Someone capitalized whatever Minetest you had before. 07:02 Dark_Soul wait what the 07:02 us|0gb Hmm? WHat? 07:02 Dark_Soul now its lower 07:02 us|0gb Before you changed it? 07:03 Dark_Soul yes 07:03 Dark_Soul anyway 07:03 Dark_Soul what now 07:03 us|0gb Oh... 'kay. I don't know why the icon is not working but the command is then. 07:04 Dark_Soul ok 07:04 Dark_Soul btw where do i go to mess with the mods cuase i have to turn off falling snow 07:04 Dark_Soul its crashing 07:04 us|0gb Go to your file manager. 07:05 us|0gb Hit control + h. 07:05 us|0gb That will let you see files you normally can't. 07:05 us|0gb Then you'll be able to go to .minetest. 07:05 us|0gb .minetest/mods 07:06 Dark_Soul file manager? 07:06 us|0gb How did you get to the files before? 07:06 Dark_Soul sorry im half asleep its 3 in the morning 07:06 us|0gb No worries. 07:06 Dark_Soul going to the home folder 07:07 us|0gb YOu probably opened the home folder in the file manager. 07:07 us|0gb Go to the home folder anf hit control + h. 07:07 Dark_Soul idk maby i jsut go to the side bar and click home folder 07:07 us|0gb That will let you see the .minetest directory. 07:07 us|0gb Yeah, that's your file manger. 07:09 VanessaE ok I'm gonna try to sleep again. night. 07:09 Dark_Soul i found .minetest 07:09 us|0gb Good night. Best of luck! 07:09 us|0gb In .minetest is mods. 07:09 Dark_Soul bye 07:09 Dark_Soul ok i see it 07:09 us|0gb THat's where they are. 07:09 Dark_Soul and finally lets do that auto restart agian 07:10 us|0gb Are you asking for the code again or commenting on your next action? 07:10 Dark_Soul code plz 07:11 us|0gb My scroll back doesn't go back that far. Let's see if it's in my browser history. 07:12 Dark_Soul ok 07:13 us|0gb Run this to start the server, not while it's already running: http://pastebin.com/fNnEetYG 07:13 Dark_Soul ok 07:16 Dark_Soul well it ran the server 07:19 Dark_Soul now if it typed /shutdown on the server would it start right back up? 07:19 us|0gb Yes it would. 07:20 Dark_Soul ok great 07:20 Dark_Soul well im going to test it real quit then im going to bed 07:20 Dark_Soul well it worked perfectly 07:20 Dark_Soul thanks for all of you tiem and help 0gb 07:21 Dark_Soul time 07:21 us|0gb Okay, great. Good night! 07:21 us|0gb Yeah, any time. 07:21 Dark_Soul :D night all you are just siting there watching this noob fail lol 07:21 us|0gb We all had to get started at some point. 07:21 us|0gb Oops, too late. 07:22 us|0gb G'night! 08:34 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Bald And Free Day! :-D 09:25 Nocte What's up? 10:47 * john_minetest suddenly realizes that he is very clever: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=60197#p60197 10:56 jojoa1997 Oh no https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7425 10:57 jojoa1997 Anyways hi 13:32 rotcaer o/ 13:43 Exio4 \o/ rotcaer 13:55 Nocte Whoa... o.o You can be sent to jail for a sarcastic joke. WTF? 13:55 Nocte http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc_4XpbK72o 13:55 Exio4 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4456 lol 13:57 VanessaE hi all 13:57 Nocte America confuses me sometimes. :| 13:58 VanessaE america confuses me all the time - and I was born and raised here. 13:58 rotcaer o/ VanessaE 13:58 Nocte "We gotta hunt down this guy for making a sarcastic joke!" "But sir, there is rising criminal activity right in the next town." "FUCK THAT! Now shut up." 13:58 Nocte Hehe. 14:02 Nocte Any crazy shit going around the news? :p 14:02 VanessaE nothing that hasn't been going on for weeks now :) 14:03 Nocte Aww. :p 14:06 Nocte Any of you watched AVGN? 14:06 VanessaE ? 14:07 VanessaE not familiar 14:08 Nocte Angry Video Game Nerd over at Cinemassacre. 14:09 Nocte http://cinemassacre.com/category/avgn/avgnepisodes/ <- there... 14:09 Nocte Lots of foul language and ranting about bad video games. 14:10 Nocte They manage to keep it funny. 14:10 VanessaE I'll pass 14:12 Nocte Also: He's been making a movie. 14:12 Nocte Of AVGN. 14:13 Nocte Any of you guys got Pokémon X/Y? 14:13 VanessaE not into pokemon 14:13 Nocte They really made some improvements to the game thing: Character customization, mega form Pokés, 3D all around... :D 14:19 Nocte Man... The 3DS XL looks like a beast. o.o 14:31 rotcaer Nocte: I remember when I was in elementary school Pokemon was all the rage 14:32 rotcaer I mean, eh. What's the matter with that stuff? How come kids were zombified by it? 14:41 VanessaE no clue 14:56 VanessaE why was that set? 14:56 messa4 sdfsd 14:57 Jordach ...that 14:57 VanessaE we see you now, messa4 14:57 messa4 when u will add living animals and monsters? 14:57 messa4 to default windows build? 14:57 VanessaE there are mods that handle that. 14:57 messa4 but it require some hacking and not official build etc 14:58 VanessaE they'll be added to the default install only after the handling of mobs becomes stable and lag-free 14:58 messa4 hard to get that for user that can use computer liek 1 hour per week 14:58 zat installing mod is not a hacking 14:58 VanessaE hacking? no 14:58 VanessaE mods are officially supported by minetest. that's just how it works. 14:58 VanessaE if you can copy a folder, you can install a mod. 14:58 messa4 please add monsters to official build 14:58 messa4 thx 14:59 messa4 and armies of skeletons 14:59 pitriss messa4: if you make mobs lag free.. 14:59 messa4 like waves of enemies 14:59 VanessaE all you have to do is unzip the mod, copy it's folder to where it belongs, rename it if necessary, and choose the mod in your world's configure menu. 14:59 VanessaE no, I don't think we'll ever add skeletons. 14:59 messa4 officla mods are working with default(!) windows version? 14:59 VanessaE those are a minecraft thing, we don't need them. 14:59 VanessaE all mods work with all current builds of minetest. 14:59 messa4 thx 15:00 VanessaE where current = not old. 15:00 messa4 VanessaE: so goblins 15:00 messa4 or skeletons but with swords 15:00 VanessaE as in nightly builds. 15:00 VanessaE no skeletons. 15:00 VanessaE goblins? why? 15:00 messa4 so goblins 15:00 VanessaE we have other monsters. 15:00 messa4 like what? neve seen that mod 15:00 zat messa4: you can contact the authors of mobs mods and ask them. 15:01 Jordach let the man speak 15:01 VanessaE we have oerkkis, dungeon masters, sand/dirt/stone monsters, there's a mod that provides what's called a vombie, and there's a slimes mod also. 15:01 Jordach goblins are original 15:01 zat slimes? oh good >///< 15:01 messa4 VanessaE: sand/drit/stone monsters = GOLEM :) 15:01 zat they rape you too= 15:01 zat ? 15:01 VanessaE messa4: sand, dirt, and stone - three separate monsters. 15:01 VanessaE also there's a mod that adds mummies 15:01 messa4 no no 15:02 VanessaE and attacking NPCs 15:02 VanessaE fuck, there are a ton of mods that add enemies 15:02 messa4 u must create official mod with monsters 15:02 messa4 just one 15:02 messa4 instead biullions of unstable mods from some evil hackers 15:02 messa4 who will install rootkit on computer 15:02 pitriss lol.. must is not correct word 15:02 messa4 etc 15:02 VanessaE like pitriss and I already said, if you can come up with a fast, low-CPU lagless creatures mod, do it. 15:02 Jordach cheap fucking piece of shit mouse 15:02 VanessaE THESE ARE NOT HACKERS. 15:03 Jordach i've already broke LMB when my travelmouse hasn't :( 15:03 messa4 VanessaE: its simple 15:03 VanessaE MINETEST MODS ARE OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED AND SANCTIONED BY THE MINETEST ENGINE. 15:03 VanessaE OKAY!? 15:03 Jordach !deop VanessaE 15:03 Jordach you can have it back later 15:03 VanessaE shush, Jordach. :) 15:03 Jordach nope.avi 15:03 VanessaE I wasn't gonna use it. 15:03 Jordach free speech biatch 15:04 messa4 VanessaE: put monsters to separate thread and use "time frames" to move them. lets say once every 20ms. in that way it will not cause high cpu load, becasue there will be free time every frame. u know like in all lcomputer games 15:04 Jordach messa4, that is done in-engine 15:04 VanessaE mods already have such a feature. 15:04 messa4 so why its lagging? 15:04 VanessaE the problem isn't when they're moved. the problem is that they're server-side. 15:04 Jordach because the engines code to make the mobs is bad 15:05 pitriss messa4: and anout rootkit.. all sources are public so you can review them before usage, so no rootkits possible:) 15:05 VanessaE the code runs on the server, not the client. 15:05 VanessaE if the server is far away, there will be lots of network lag. this will cause mobs to lag. 15:06 messa4 but why its laggy? all u need is "id of monster" x,y,z, hp_left, state. thats ike just 5 varibles per 20ms needed for server/client 15:06 Jordach also cause 15:06 VanessaE anything past that is high server CPU usage, which will also be perceived as lag. high CPU usage is usually a sign of bad code. 15:06 zat also... rootkit from a userspace lua script? 15:06 zat w000000000t 15:06 messa4 zat: its possible in javascript so why not lua or perl etc 15:06 VanessaE messa4: have you ever browsed the web to a slow website that doesn't respond right away? 15:06 pitriss zat: thats second part of it, but.. I don't think he will understand this:D 15:06 messa4 VanessaE: like laggy JS sites? yes! 15:06 Jordach cmon you motherfucker, install my damn drivers 15:07 VanessaE no not like laggy js site 15:07 VanessaE answer the damn question. 15:07 messa4 like high latency site? yes 15:07 messa4 like web over tor 15:07 VanessaE yes. 15:07 VanessaE that's minetest lag. 15:07 VanessaE same exact cause. 15:07 messa4 send monsters movment over udp 15:07 Jordach finally - mouse is capable of withstanding my clicks 15:08 pitriss messa4: all traffic between mt server client is UDP 15:08 pitriss *and 15:08 messa4 so make server to be asynchronous - dont wait for monster packet, just use the pack IF ITS there. 15:08 VanessaE your browser takes time to process your clicks (you punch a monster), the network takes time to send that info to the server, the server takes too long to process your request (kill the monster), the network takes time to send the data to your web browser (minetest client) 15:08 messa4 its its not there - skip to avoid lag 15:09 VanessaE the result is your web page takes a long time to load (your minetest client takes a long time to acknowledge that the monster was killed) 15:09 zat messa4: try to synchronize the positions and actions of 50+ mobs, with 10+ players, all at unknown/variable distance and different networks. While making all the actions server-validated to avoid cheating. 15:09 messa4 zat: it can be done [all mmo games] hehe 15:09 VanessaE there is no way to fix this without running a browser plugin or script (minetest runs a client-side mod) 15:10 zat messa4: I forgot to add, from a lua mod without touching the core code. 15:10 messa4 that monster logic is written in lua or C? 15:10 messa4 ah 15:10 VanessaE and when you run a script or plugin in your browser, you open up security holes (minetest clients can be caused to cheat the server) 15:10 messa4 BTW 15:11 messa4 I added language=en. AND ITS STILL IN FRENCH 15:11 Jordach messa4, minetest uses Operating System's language 15:11 Jordach change that to change minetest's 15:11 messa4 how to get it in english? 15:12 messa4 u are telling me that i cant get english version if im usign chinese or french windows? 15:12 messa4 this is retarded 15:12 Jordach change the language settings in your chosen operating system to english to get an english minetest 15:12 messa4 u cant 15:12 messa4 its impossible to chnge launguage in windows 15:12 VanessaE if you can't deal with it, either HELP FIX IT or go play minecraft. 15:12 zat of course it is possible, you just have to hack it a bit :D! 15:13 messa4 no no 15:13 messa4 launguage its hard coded into windows base. thats why they are making so much $$$. french windows is diffrent to chnese windows etc 15:13 messa4 diffrent binaries 15:13 messa4 there are no lang files like in linux 15:14 messa4 so they have 150 customers [150 countries] instead 1 version 15:14 zat that is why I said the “hack” bit 15:14 messa4 also minetest is laggy 15:14 Jordach Control Panel -> Region and Language -> Keyboard and Languages -> Change Language -> Default input language -> English (United States) 15:14 messa4 on this pc 15:14 messa4 yOU CANT 15:14 messa4 Input is not display launGUAGE 15:14 messa4 GOD 15:14 messa4 Jordach: please 15:15 messa4 go to algeria 15:15 messa4 and try to do it in caffe 15:15 messa4 It will not work 15:15 pitriss messa4: as VanessaE told you before, if something is not working in MT, it is open source project, you can send pull request with a fix 15:15 messa4 input launugauge its just for input 15:15 messa4 ok 15:15 messa4 i need to go :( 15:15 VanessaE bye 15:15 zat kisses 15:16 messa4 pleas add launguage choose in menu or some command line flag to enfore english 15:16 pitriss zat: lol 15:16 messa4 i will be in cafe maybe later 15:16 messa4 but its expensive 15:16 pitriss send patch:) 15:16 messa4 not easy 15:16 messa4 its hard to use french windows and firefox etc 15:16 messa4 try it. painful 15:17 zat try purchasing a computer 15:17 zat and internet 15:17 zat i did that ! 15:17 messa4 dont have electricity at place where i live 15:17 pitriss zat: +1 15:17 zat try to purchase electricity! 15:17 messa4 there is light 15:17 messa4 but nt sockets 15:17 zat install some technic solar panel 15:17 messa4 right 15:17 messa4 americans 15:17 messa4 and their ideas 15:17 messa4 see u 15:18 zat americans... 15:18 zat I hope you are not meaning USAns! 15:18 JamesTait http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/interviews/383494/sol-the-300-solar-powered-laptop 15:18 Dark_Soul hmmm 15:18 messa4 james 15:18 messa4 go to algeria 15:18 messa4 to desert 15:18 messa4 go to caffe 15:18 messa4 with arabic windows and firefox 15:18 messa4 and try to buy something form ebay 15:18 messa4 good luck 15:18 zat I am going as soon as I can 15:18 zat wait for me 15:18 messa4 even google is ENFGORCING arabic for u 15:18 messa4 and paypal etc 15:18 messa4 impossiblet o read and use stuff 15:19 messa4 like minecraft hehe 15:19 zat enforcing? 15:19 messa4 yup 15:19 zat cannot you just change language? 15:19 messa4 i try. then it go back after while 15:19 messa4 becasue of OS settings +location detection. retarded 15:19 zat cookies? 15:19 messa4 same on paypal 15:19 messa4 amazon etc 15:19 zat it is not retarded 15:19 pitriss messa: OMFG if you don't like somethjing code it.. you are talking as you are skilled enough.. show us your code, talk is so cheap 15:19 zat imagine people from not english speaking countries, having all in english by default 15:20 messa4 zat: thats why there shuold be ALways visiable and easy way to change launguage in all sites or applications. enforcing and guessing the user launguage is retarded 15:20 messa4 go to algeria desert u will see hehehe 15:20 messa4 at least i can use putty lol 15:20 rotcaer o/ 15:20 messa4 and lynx 15:21 zat guessing the language is not retarded, is a first step 15:21 messa4 [server in usa] 15:21 zat come on.... 15:21 VanessaE messa4: if you can't deal with it, either HELP FIX IT or go play minecraft. 15:21 messa4 VanessaE: i cant play it 15:21 messa4 menu its in french 15:21 VanessaE then HELP FIX IT. 15:21 messa4 cant fix it. no computer 15:21 rotcaer French. :( 15:21 VanessaE buy one. 15:21 VanessaE computers are cheap. 15:21 messa4 BUAHAHAHHA 15:21 messa4 IN USA 15:21 zat I can understand some french.... though I never officially learned it 15:22 zat maybe because I am hispanic? 15:22 zat :) 15:22 VanessaE buy a gasoline generator if you have no electricity 15:22 pitriss messa4: in europe too.. 15:22 messa4 in algeria, marocco etc - buying old used cmputerl ike pentium 4 with 512mb ram is like 2weeks wages 15:22 messa4 thats why i ahte americans 15:22 messa4 and english ppl 15:22 messa4 they dont travel 15:22 messa4 and they dont knopw anything about real world 15:22 zat that is terrible generalization 15:22 VanessaE messa4: your situation is not unique. I have seen examples of some pretty creative methods of getting electricity to run personal electronics, including computers, in some of the remotest, back-woods parts of the world. 15:23 zat plus you called me american 15:23 messa4 VanessaE: that its easy 15:23 zat and most american people is hispanic anyway 15:23 VanessaE if they can do it, so can you...and you have access to an internet cafe to help. 15:23 pitriss messa4: so move to better country and stop crying here and blame ppl from america 15:24 zat Not to begin an argument, but just to clarify: http://www.usaisnotamerica.com/ 15:24 messa4 VanessaE: in uk i had plenty microcnotrolers that run from sun etc. but when u are far from home. even things like buing simple transistor or mcu is HARD. u cant just go to internet and order stuff from ebay. transport is expensive and most sites will display u stuff in arabic or french[enforcing it] 15:24 messa4 so for buying one transistor of cost 1c u will pay in the end 50$ 15:24 VanessaE messa4: if you can chat, you can code. 15:24 VanessaE HELP FIX THE ISSUE or quiet down. 15:24 messa4 pitriss: i dont blame u. im just saying that americans are dumb 15:25 VanessaE I hapoen to be an American, and I am sure as hell not dumb. 15:25 VanessaE happen* 15:25 zat Messa4: http://www.usaisnotamerica.com/ 15:25 messa4 anyway. nic to talking with u 15:25 messa4 keep working on minetest 15:26 zat thanks for all the nice motivation you just brought, they will sure work even harder now!!!! 15:26 pitriss messa4: I'm european.. lol, but i don'ŧ like your atitude.. demanding this and that.. using "you must" instead of "please is it possible" 15:26 VanessaE messa4: if you can chat, you can code. HELP FIX THE ISSUE. 15:26 messa4 and im serious. go for year to some far country. u will learn a lot. for example why its important to have abality to choose launugage or why software must be fast [minetst IS DOING THAT:)] buecasue some people cant just buy or borrow better machine :) 15:26 pitriss VanessaE: +1 15:27 zat messa4: far, far from where? 15:27 zat how can a country be considered far? 15:27 pitriss messa4: i learned english by selfstudy, you can do it too!! try it! 15:27 messa4 zat: for example go to some remote village in chile, or to algeria [far from big city] or to Mauretania etc 15:27 zat messa4: there is electricity and internet in all Chile, did I tell you I am from Chile? 15:27 messa4 but most americans just dont get it :( 15:28 pitriss zat: LOL 15:28 messa4 see 15:28 messa4 exactly whgat im talkinbg about 15:28 zat Chile is far from America (now that all like to call USA that) 15:28 zat :)))))))))))) 15:28 messa4 u just dont understand how the world works. stupid americans and english and dutch [rich and retarded]. but i spent 5 years in uk and it fuckin sucks 15:29 messa4 see u rich boys 15:29 messa4 good luck 15:29 messa4 go to jungle 15:29 messa4 and try to order the pizza or check facebook 15:29 VanessaE messa4: I am from the USA. Not all of us are dumb. 15:29 Jordach messa4, shush i like in the United Kingdom 15:29 messa4 then u will learn 15:29 jojoa1997 hi 15:29 Jordach live* 15:29 messa4 i know 15:29 messa4 im sorry 15:29 zat now I understand why you were muted messa4 15:29 pitriss VanessaE: shooot!:D 15:29 VanessaE that's enough. 15:29 zat damn flash kick! 15:30 pitriss VanessaE: thanks:) 15:30 jojoa1997 what happened 15:30 Jordach VanessaE, /query Jordach kick 15:30 VanessaE Jordach: just another loudmouth. 15:30 zat AAAAAAAAAAA 15:30 Jordach AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 15:30 Jordach two can play that :D 15:32 rotcaer Uh. 15:32 rotcaer You banned my alter ego. 15:32 zat Why doesn’t anybody help me test the SQL ROllback!!!!!! 15:33 rotcaer zat: I would like to, but I'm unsure if it will compile here. 15:33 zat why not rotcaer 15:34 rotcaer I'm already multitasking. 15:34 zat uh 15:34 rotcaer I could look at it idk... closer to the weekend? 15:34 zat D:! 15:34 rotcaer Oh, also, I forgot to say hi. 15:34 zat I will find someone else during the week I guess 15:34 zat hi 15:35 zat I just need someone to test it with a h00g rollback.txt 15:35 zat mine is just 1.1gb 15:35 rotcaer Good. Well, eh. I probably will have some time tomorrow. 15:35 rotcaer woah 1.1gb 15:35 rotcaer that's some disk space 15:35 zat you think it is big? 15:35 zat The resulting sqlite file after migrating was 580mb though. 15:35 rotcaer 1 GB is big for an ASCII file. 15:36 VanessaE rotcaer: who banned what alter-ego? 15:36 zat that sure is a bit of optimization 15:36 Jordach !unban reactor 15:37 Jordach feel free :D 15:37 rotcaer VanessaE: well, I was that messa4 guy. 15:37 Jordach rotcaer, damn 15:37 rotcaer Just kidding. 15:37 Jordach haha 15:37 VanessaE rotcaer: hah 15:38 rotcaer I do like the idea of sockpuppets, though. 15:40 Jordach s/sock/cock 15:40 * Jordach runs 15:41 * Jordach pokes sfan5 15:42 rotcaer That creepy silence moment before you realise your connection has farted. 15:42 rotcaer s/mom/a mom/ 15:42 rotcaer My ISP are fgts. 15:43 VanessaE heh 15:44 rotcaer Russian telecommunications companies are, in general. 15:45 rotcaer Speaking of which. Borat. 15:46 rotcaer the village he came from is sperical Russian glubinka in vaccuum 15:51 sfan5 Jordach: I'm busy watching animes 15:51 rotcaer cartoons, the proper term is 15:52 rotcaer First you borrow their words, then they come and screw your place. 15:57 webdesigner97 hi 15:57 VanessaE hi 16:13 zat rotcaer: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anime 16:13 rotcaer I see. 16:14 rotcaer Japanese cartoons. I don't see why they won't be selling our kids on slave market. 16:15 VanessaE you ever watch classic transformers? the old G1 series I mean 16:15 rotcaer Don't our cultures have own stuff? Why let fhem invade? 16:16 VanessaE each culture has media specific to that culture, but there's nothing at all wrong with some cross-sharing. The Japanese make some good, nice stuff. 16:17 rotcaer I've seen an article on how Japanese fiction renders children socially inept. 16:17 VanessaE no moreso than any other media would. 16:17 VanessaE from any other country 16:18 VanessaE you want your children to be smart? TEACH THEM TO BE! 16:18 sfan5 ^ 16:18 VanessaE don't blame TV for your own failings as a parent (this is not directed at you, rotcaer) 16:26 * paramat loves anime 16:30 thexyz paramat: what anime? 16:33 paramat studio Ghibli, mecha and scifi, im a macross fan, not gundam though 16:35 * paramat is also socially inept plol 16:36 rotcaer Pwned. 16:37 Dark_Soul well hmmm 0gb isnt on 16:38 Nocte Hmm. 16:38 Nocte paramat, you there? 16:39 Nocte Seen 'Pokemon: The Origin' yet? Its more mature take on Pokémon. 16:39 rubenwardy Hi all 16:39 Nocte And based on Pokémon Red version of the games. 16:40 rotcaer Red, as in, rule 34? 16:41 Nocte Nah: Pokémon Red... 16:41 Nocte The Gameboy version. 16:41 Nocte ;) 16:42 * paramat is there 16:43 paramat okay i'll check it out, i always liked the monsters 16:45 rotcaer If you like monsters, you should probably do autopsies for a living 16:45 zat pokemobs! 16:45 rotcaer Or medical experiments. 17:00 Nocte Hehe... Paramat. It references the game a lot. 17:00 Nocte Dialogue lifted straight out of the game. 17:03 Jordach hello parama 17:03 Jordach paramat, 17:04 Jordach can't fucking type this evening 17:05 Nocte Anyone want me to name Eevee after you? (I'm playing LeafGreen with Nuzlocke and randomizer. :D) 17:05 paramat hi J :) 17:05 Jordach your god is here ;) 17:05 Nocte Should I name it Jordach? :p 17:06 * Jordach agrees 17:06 Nocte Hmm, what form should I evlolve it after some time? You get to decide. 17:06 Nocte Evolve* Can't type either. :( 17:07 heybye44 hello 17:07 * paramat recognises no gods 17:07 Nocte Hah! My rival got a wooper. 17:08 heybye44 RING DING DING DING DA DINGA DING!!!! 17:09 Nocte Whoops.. 17:09 Nocte Nope. :( 17:09 Nocte I gotta change some settings. Sadly EEVEE is gone. 17:09 heybye44 wut... 17:09 Calinou playing pokemon? 17:09 heybye44 who... 17:09 Calinou didn't name your rival "douche"? 17:09 Calinou :( 17:09 Nocte I named him 'Bitch'. 17:10 heybye44 dont cus here 17:10 heybye44 i cant wait for 0.4.8 to come out 17:11 heybye44 EVERYBODY DO THE FLOP! 17:11 heybye44 *bang* 17:11 Nocte No cussing here? Oh... I am not. 17:11 Nocte Bitch = Female Dog. ;) 17:12 heybye44 umm ok 17:12 Nocte Lol.. Anyways. 17:14 heybye44 any way... i making a mod and put this in it "minetest.register_node("Mud:Mud", { tiles = {"Mud_mud.png"}, groups = {snappy=15,choppy=30,oddly_breakable_by_hand=2,flammable=0}, }) minetest.register_node("Mud:Radioactive Mud", { tiles = {"Mud_mud.png"}, groups = {snappy=15,choppy=30,oddly_breakable_by_hand=2,flammable=140}, light_source = {6}, })" 17:16 heybye44 i loaded it into the game and it said it the cmd window open "Could not open file of texture" 17:17 heybye44 any1 there 17:17 Nocte Nope. :p 17:17 * Nocte can't code. 17:19 heybye44 n00bie........ 17:26 rubenwardy make sure Mud_mug.png exists 17:42 MinetestBot Thunder and lightning is striking in the channel, as your Minetest god is here 17:44 Jordach paramat, ^ 17:46 Jordach oh, and i've got the basic shape of the cube-y van down 17:46 paramat cool 17:47 Jordach basic shape: http://i.imgur.com/OKwd2KK.png 17:54 Jordach i just cut the two front wheel holes out 18:00 paramat perhaps square wheels ... 18:02 Jordach paramat, http://i.imgur.com/V6s5fDQ.png 18:02 Jordach i just happened to finish the wheels 18:03 Jordach and then i'll get around to texturing that badass 18:03 Jordach (i havent added a steering wheel) 18:03 Jordach rubenwardy, , http://i.imgur.com/V6s5fDQ.png 18:03 Jordach - , 18:04 Jordach Postman Pat... Postman Pat... 18:04 Jordach funny that some people remember :P 18:05 FreeFull Jordach: Bob the Builder? 18:09 webdesigner97 hi 18:09 webdesigner97 I need help with this code: http://pastebin.com/YesWVrSd 18:10 webdesigner97 The problem is in line 4: attempt to call method is_empty (a nil value) 18:10 rotcaer shrink? 18:11 ShadowNinja webdesigner97: 1) It is spelled is_empty 2) It doesn't take any arguments. 18:12 webdesigner97 ShadowNinja: ouch 18:12 webdesigner97 seems to be my mistake 18:12 webdesigner97 btw, it wants an argument: http://dev.minetest.net/InvRef:is_empty 18:14 ShadowNinja webdesigner97: Oh, right, but the list name, not the item name. 18:14 webdesigner97 oh, and another question: is it possible to compare two lists like in line 5? 18:14 webdesigner97 (it is the listname. I prefixed them) 18:16 ShadowNinja webdesigner97: No, that will compare the table addresses in memor I beleive. You will have to iterate through them and check them. 18:16 ShadowNinja memory* 18:16 webdesigner97 ok 18:16 webdesigner97 gtg now 18:16 webdesigner97 bye 18:24 paramat J, i was thinking postman pat too :D 18:27 Jordach ...time to texture... *sigh* 18:28 Jordach name yer colours 18:29 Jordach paramat, ^ 18:31 paramat umm 18:31 MinetestBot GIT: Sokomine commited to minetest/minetest: Add support for parameter 'visual_scale' for drawtypes 'signlike' and 'torchlike' like used for drawtype 'plantlike' bb0d0ac32c 2013-10-14T11:20:55-07:00 http://git.io/WnOrUg 18:31 Jordach VanessaE, ^^^^ 18:32 VanessaE I already have it on my server :) 18:32 Jordach paramat, you also want seating 18:35 * Jordach is thinking of an aeroplane mod 18:35 Jordach take to the skies 18:35 paramat i don't see seats as essential, especialy as this is an enclosed car 18:35 Jordach paramat, is this for local or as part of the mod 18:35 paramat minetest cars don't have steering wheels, they have WASD heh 18:36 Jordach so you just want a shell then 18:36 paramat yeah thats okay 18:38 Jordach paramat, remember: everything is mirrors 18:38 Jordach mirror'd 18:38 Jordach one side textures the other 18:38 paramat aha i see 18:40 paramat > "is this for local or as part of the mod" i think this model is mostly for Esteban's mod, although i will certainly use it myself 18:40 Jordach paramat, then i should add seating if it's major 18:42 paramat colour: the violet of wool_violet 18:42 MinetestBot GIT: Sokomine commited to minetest/minetest: Add support for parameter 'visual_scale' for drawtypes 'signlike' and 'torchlike' like used for drawtype 'plantlike' 19742d8d98 2013-10-14T11:38:56-07:00 http://git.io/cPp6CQ 18:43 Jordach dafuq] 18:44 Jordach okay 18:44 Jordach can do 18:46 thexyz sfan5: can you set up public rsync for your http://sfan5.duckdns.org/upload/ thingy? 18:47 thexyz simple uploader uses that much technology D: 18:47 thexyz ohh 18:47 thexyz I love it 18:47 Jordach it's omploader 18:48 Jordach with user accounts 18:48 Jordach and hidden links 18:48 thexyz > Private Files can not be accessed at all. 18:48 Jordach and that shit too 18:48 thexyz what's the point of uploading then? 18:48 thexyz well this thing is still alive because it's not as popular as omp was 18:49 thexyz otherwise sfan5'd spend all his time removing CP from there 18:49 paramat J: "remember: everything is mirrors". thats deep 18:50 thexyz http://pomf.se/ is another omp alternative 18:51 thexyz it'll die some day though 18:52 thexyz because it's totally unprofitable to host something like this 18:52 Evergreen Hey all 18:53 Jordach *we can dance if we want to, we can leave your friends behind...* 18:53 Jordach it's rare, but i do often sing 18:53 Jordach ...when nobody is about 18:54 paramat i remember safety dance 18:55 Jordach paramat, can you define the creepyness of my models while you're here 18:55 * Jordach doesn't get it 18:55 paramat heh im sorry :) 18:55 Jordach then i'll know where to improve :D 18:56 thexyz paramat: if you love monsters you should try bakemonogatari 18:56 thexyz if you don't like monsters you should try it anyway 18:57 * paramat does bakemonogatari image search 18:57 Jordach *we come together because opp--ossits att-rract* 18:59 paramat mmm nice violet hair :P 18:59 VanessaE bbl 19:00 Jordach *you got the touch, you got the power* 19:01 Jordach *when all hell's breaking loose, you'll be riding the eye of the storm* 19:03 thexyz paramat: indeed 19:06 Dark_Soul yea VanessaE is on 19:06 * Jordach will take a break from modeling 19:07 paramat i assume the devs are aware of cavegen putting holes through on-generated spawned structures near the chunk boundaries? its such an obvious bug i had assumed it was 'wont fix' or 'cant fix', but i cant find the issue at github 19:07 Jordach singlenode ftw 19:08 sfan5 thexyz: well... I didn't want to implement checking when accessing private files, soo 19:08 sfan5 also; how would I set up rsync? :P 19:09 thexyz there's a problem with private files, yeah 19:09 thexyz but it'd be cool to be able to backup all your archive 19:15 IceCraft hi 19:15 Jordach hello IceCraft 19:19 Mossmanikin Hi folks 19:21 thexyz sfan5: what's that samsung.pdf? 19:22 sfan5 something about a (broken) hdd I have 19:22 sfan5 google translate doesn't help much with the pdf 19:30 thexyz is it only available in russian? 19:31 sfan5 yes, I think so 19:31 thexyz poor you 19:32 thexyz OCR should help 19:33 thexyz [off] http://pit.dirty.ru/lepro/2/2013/10/14/58645-121733-fc6c569a508abd8964399045bbac81b5.jpg 19:34 thexyz nsfw, i guess 19:34 thexyz nice newspapers you have there 19:34 thexyz Calinou is from France, right? 19:34 Calinou yes 19:35 thexyz me wants translation 19:36 thexyz no, summary would be good enough 19:36 Jordach Putin fucked in the ass by a Frenchie 19:36 Jordach seems legit 19:36 Peacock lol 19:37 Mossmanikin :D 19:38 Peacock roughly translated, "Francois Fuillon is not the only one kissing putins' ass" 19:39 Peacock whoever that guy is 19:39 thexyz yeah whoever that putin is 19:39 Peacock francois fuillon 19:39 Peacock i thought the french president was Francois Holland 19:40 thexyz i tried 19:40 Calinou françois fillon 19:40 Calinou ^ old prime minister 19:40 Calinou current president: françois hollande 19:40 Calinou current prime minister: jean-marc ayrault 19:41 Peacock so it goes, Fillon, Sarkozy, then Holland? 19:41 Peacock oh wait, you have presidents and prime ministers? 19:42 Peacock i guess presidents are like Queens for republics lol 19:43 Dark_Soul can someone interput this plz 19:43 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/k2z8VQuM 19:43 Menche i'm guessing there's a problem with your ipban.txt? 19:44 Dark_Soul ok well im trying to run the auto restart for my server and it will not go threw but i will look there give me a sec 19:45 Dark_Soul well everything looks ok 19:50 Dark_Soul ok i emptyed the ip ban but it still says that 19:53 Peacock delete ze file 19:54 Dark_Soul ummm ok 19:55 Dark_Soul stilll got the same error 19:55 Peacock still cant load ipban? 19:55 Dark_Soul guess 19:55 Peacock try coping one from another world 19:56 Peacock *copying 19:56 Dark_Soul ummm ok 19:56 Menche does BanManager load any other files? it doesn't actually give a filename. 19:57 Dark_Soul idk thats all it says thats it so i have no idea 19:57 Dark_Soul ang no Peacock still didnt work 19:58 Peacock wtf lol did you change file permissions or something? or move shit around as sudo? 19:58 Menche Ive had serialization errors from corrupt player files, but that gives a different message. 19:59 Menche that's all the useful part of the output? 19:59 Dark_Soul file permissions? 19:59 Dark_Soul yes that is all it gives me word for word 19:59 Menche hmmm, that's strange 19:59 Peacock well you tried deleting ipban (did that create a new one btw?) and copying a fresh one, if you still cant load it, im thinking maybe a permissions issue 20:00 Dark_Soul no it didnt make a new one 20:00 Dark_Soul it worked last night 20:00 Dark_Soul but not this morning 20:00 Peacock bizarro 20:01 Menche i can't reproduce that error. 20:01 Menche i removed my own read privs on ipban.txt and added garbage values to it; it still works. 20:01 Miner_48er copy the required files to a working copy 20:02 Dark_Soul ummm read privs??? mine jsut has who is banned and there ip that si all it has ever had even whe nit worked 20:03 Peacock what about write privs and folder privs? 20:03 Menche the contents shouldn't be a problem. i added random garbage values to mine, and minetestserver reformated the file. 20:03 Miner_48er he's new to unix? 20:03 Dark_Soul i can run the server but it will not let me run the auto restart thats it 20:03 Menche what is this auto restart? 20:03 Menche that for loop? 20:03 Dark_Soul ? 20:04 Dark_Soul it restarts the server on its own wit hme doing it 20:04 Dark_Soul it worked last night 20:04 Menche it's that script containing an infinite while loop? (sorry, wrong type of loop) 20:05 Dark_Soul yes 20:08 Menche well this is weird. i removed my write privs from ipban.txt and started minestserver; somehow it re-added the write privs. 20:08 Menche i chown'd it to root and minetestserver was able to chown it back to me. 20:09 Dark_Soul yes even when i type in just minetestserver i get that error 20:09 Dark_Soul i have t o type minetestserver --worldname DarkNess to start my server 20:10 Menche does that work? 20:10 Dark_Soul does what? 20:10 Menche that command 20:10 Menche minetestserver --worldname DarkNess 20:10 Dark_Soul yes but i dont get my auto restart 20:11 Menche try this command: "while true; do echo hello; done" 20:11 Menche just an infinite while loop on one line. 20:11 Menche wait NO 20:11 Menche try this command: "while true; do minetestserver --worldname DarkNess; done" 20:11 Menche rather 20:11 Dark_Soul ok 20:11 stormchaser3000 hi 20:11 Menche lol, accidentally put my test command up :P 20:11 Menche hello 20:12 Dark_Soul hello 20:12 Dark_Soul well it loaded the world 20:12 stormchaser3000 hey dark how do i make a server 20:12 Dark_Soul let me shut it dow n and see if it restarts 20:12 Dark_Soul hold on bud 20:12 Menche Dark_Soul: could you post the script you use? that command i gave you should have the same effect of restarting when the process exits. 20:12 Menche it's just an infinite while loop on a single line. 20:13 Dark_Soul thanks!!! Menche it was succesful 20:13 Menche i'm not sure if it's necessary, but an example of the script added a small wait before restarting. 20:14 Menche like so: "while true; do echo minetestserver --worldname DarkNess; sleep 1; done" 20:14 Menche makes it wait 1 second before starting it up again. 20:14 Dark_Soul no need to wait 20:14 Dark_Soul lol 20:15 Dark_Soul here is what i was using 20:16 stormchaser3000 dark? 20:17 Dark_Soul nvm i cant find it 20:17 Dark_Soul ok yes 20:17 Dark_Soul wait i may find it 20:17 stormchaser3000 when wwill you bea ble to tell mee how to make a server 20:18 Dark_Soul storm hold on 20:19 Dark_Soul Menche i cant find it but ask 0gb he gave it to me 20:20 Dark_Soul ok storm 20:20 Menche i seem to remember getting that script from VanessaE 20:20 Dark_Soul what have you done so far 20:20 Menche iirc she posted it somewhere on the forums 20:20 Dark_Soul ? 20:20 stormchaser3000 i have forwarded my ports 20:21 Dark_Soul ok well you got the hard part done 20:21 sfan5 nice, I watched a full anime today 20:21 stormchaser3000 and started up a server with the server settings in theconf file 20:21 Dark_Soul i love anime 20:21 roguejedi79 Is there a way to set up a console to monitor your server? 20:21 Dark_Soul post you config file plz 20:21 stormchaser3000 nice sfan 20:23 sfan5 wow the trash forum already has 6 pages 20:23 Peacock thats more activity than alot of boards lol 20:23 * Menche was about to report an offtopic server advertisement, but it was deleted when he refreshed the page :D 20:24 Menche lol: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=114336#p114336 20:24 Menche somebody tell me what that thread is about? 20:24 stormchaser3000 server_dedicated = true 20:25 sfan5 Menche: I deleted it 20:25 stormchaser3000 server_name = stormcahser3000's survival server 20:25 stormchaser3000 server_announce = 1 20:25 stormchaser3000 server_address = 208.54.40.239 20:25 stormchaser3000 enable_bumpmapping = true 20:25 stormchaser3000 mg_flags = trees, caves, v6_biome_blend, v6_jungles 20:25 stormchaser3000 port = 30000 20:25 Menche it's still there. 20:25 Dark_Soul storm 20:25 Dark_Soul in a paste ben 20:25 * Dark_Soul bags head on wall 20:25 Dark_Soul *bangs 20:25 Menche don't annoy ShadowBot. ShadowBot has a temper. 20:26 stormchaser3000 lol 20:26 Dark_Soul yes it does he doesnt like me 20:26 Peacock someone just needs to show shadowbot a good time ;) 20:26 proller do not define server_addres 20:26 Dark_Soul use paste bin 20:26 Dark_Soul he has alot wrong 20:26 stormchaser3000 i don't have a past bin acount 20:26 Dark_Soul you dont need one 20:26 Peacock maybe ben has one :P 20:26 Dark_Soul to use it 20:26 stormchaser3000 oh ok 20:27 sfan5 Menche: it's still there, really, I can't find it 20:27 sfan5 s/2nd comma/?/ 20:27 Menche the link was still working then. it is gone now. 20:27 stormchaser3000 oh wait sfan5 is your survival server now remote media? 20:27 sfan5 stormchaser3000: it always was 20:27 stormchaser3000 i get a lot of lag 20:27 sfan5 yes, I'll disable the nether mod 20:28 stormchaser3000 1 chunck per minute 20:28 stormchaser3000 or at least 30 sec 20:28 stormchaser3000 and teh items never drop 20:29 Dark_Soul storm pastebin the config file 20:29 stormchaser3000 ko iam 20:29 stormchaser3000 ok i am 20:31 stormchaser3000 http://pastebin.com/kPb863sG 20:32 Dark_Soul o wow 20:32 Dark_Soul hmmm let me get mine 20:33 roguejedi79 I finally have my server up but am looking for an easy way to monitor it 20:33 Dark_Soul here i will make yours 20:33 Dark_Soul give me a server name 20:33 stormchaser3000 MINE? 20:33 Dark_Soul yes 20:34 stormchaser3000 stormchaser3000's survival server 20:34 Dark_Soul ok what do you want it to say like mine is a evil face 20:34 sfan5 apparently some people use ssl with my webserver 20:36 Miner_48er roguejedi79 what are you trying to monitor? 20:36 Dark_Soul miner he wants a perminate moderatoron his server like MinetestBot and ShoadowBot on here 20:36 roguejedi79 Looking for a console type screen 20:36 stormchaser3000 just have fun and if you don't wan to be griefed use the protector blocks 20:37 roguejedi79 Server stats 20:37 roguejedi79 Send commands 20:37 Dark_Soul ok so you ip doesnt go to everyone i wil leave that blank for you to fill in 20:37 stormchaser3000 brb 20:37 Menche currently the only type of "monitoring" you can do is look at the server's output/debug files/rollback files 20:37 stormchaser3000 ok 20:38 Menche i forward the output of mine to a log file 20:38 stormchaser3000 but i need to plug my laptop in 20:38 stormchaser3000 so brb 20:38 Dark_Soul ok now i need a the message of the day 20:39 roguejedi79 Not ideal but thankyou for the input 20:39 Menche i have a mod that allows sending commands from the command line 20:39 Menche reads them from a file in the world folder 20:47 stormchaser3000 gu 20:47 stormchaser3000 hi 20:47 stormchaser3000 sorry 20:47 stormchaser3000 wrongkeys 20:47 stormchaser3000 so the motd 20:48 stormchaser3000 is if yeu get griefed tell stormchaser3000 or mod or admin about it 20:50 stormchaser3000 dark 20:51 Dark_Soul labtop or desktop 20:51 Dark_Soul yes? 20:51 stormchaser3000 laptop 20:51 Dark_Soul ok 20:51 Dark_Soul so 10 or 15 max members 20:52 stormchaser3000 ok 20:52 Dark_Soul which 1 20:52 Dark_Soul nvm that how many do you want 20:53 stormchaser3000 15 20:53 * Evergreen is back 20:53 Dark_Soul ok 20:55 Dark_Soul ok i have your config but it has alot of extra stuff ok so get rid of what you dont need or want ok 20:56 Dark_Soul i do have the fire disabled so you may or may not want that to be on 20:56 stormchaser3000 ok 20:56 Dark_Soul http://pastebin.com/ZJWTeDxQ 20:56 Dark_Soul MIner are you there 20:56 stormchaser3000 ok 20:56 Dark_Soul then give me the address and port so i can log in :D 20:58 stormchaser3000 ok so do i paste this into my conf file 20:59 Dark_Soul ok 21:00 Dark_Soul yes 21:02 Dark_Soul o wait storm 21:02 Dark_Soul i forgot something 21:03 Dark_Soul nvm just go wit hit 21:03 stormchaser3000 ok 21:04 stormchaser3000 i am abou to atart he server 21:04 stormchaser3000 start 21:04 Dark_Soul ok 21:05 stormchaser3000 and it will not anounce to the server list 21:05 stormchaser3000 it times out 21:05 stormchaser3000 port 30000 21:05 Dark_Soul its fine 21:06 Dark_Soul mine said that for ever 21:06 Dark_Soul hmm 21:06 Dark_Soul address 21:07 stormchaser3000 ip 172.56.12.40 21:07 Dark_Soul i cant connect 21:07 Dark_Soul hold on 21:07 Dark_Soul i asume cause i amde a change 21:07 Dark_Soul ok go to your config 21:07 stormchaser3000 i have 14.7 kb a sec internet 21:08 stormchaser3000 tmobile hot spot 21:08 Dark_Soul well that may change somethings but go to congif 21:08 stormchaser3000 ok 21:08 stormchaser3000 conf 21:08 Dark_Soul #server_announce = 1 announces the server to the server list, 0 turns it off find this 21:08 Dark_Soul and flip flop to 1 and 0 21:09 Dark_Soul but leave the bottom part 21:09 Dark_Soul and did you fix your address i nthe config? 21:10 stormchaser3000 i just did 21:12 stormchaser3000 ok server back up 21:13 artur99 hi 21:13 stormchaser3000 hi 21:13 artur99 which is the best screen recording app for win ? 21:13 stormchaser3000 um in my opinion bandicam 21:14 Dark_Soul ok 21:14 artur99 did u heard about ezvid? 21:14 artur99 is it ok? 21:14 stormchaser3000 no 21:14 Dark_Soul no i cant connect 21:14 stormchaser3000 hmmmm i am going to screen share dark 21:14 artur99 its not ok, ir you didnt hear about it 21:14 Dark_Soul ask Miner_48er i learned everything from him 21:14 stormchaser3000 on screenleap.com and show you my config 21:14 stormchaser3000 of my internet 21:15 stormchaser3000 i might need to re_portforward 21:17 Dark_Soul ok try the port forward again but thats all i can do 21:17 stormchaser3000 hm hi 21:17 Dark_Soul tsorry 21:17 stormchaser3000 ok but go here 21:17 artur99 what has bandicam free and bandicam ful? 21:17 artur99 *full? 21:19 artur99 stormchaser3000, bandicam adds a watermark, or a message at the start of the video: "This video is made with bandicam"? 21:21 stormchaser3000 um yeah 21:21 stormchaser3000 it ust says bandicam 21:21 stormchaser3000 at the top of the screen 21:21 artur99 :(( where? 21:22 artur99 and how long? 21:22 stormchaser3000 the whole video 21:23 artur99 and where? 21:23 artur99 all the screen? or a corner? 21:23 stormchaser3000 at the middle of the top of the screeen 21:24 artur99 and is visible, or transparent? 21:24 stormchaser3000 tranparent but barly 21:24 artur99 and how many procents of screen represents that image? 21:25 artur99 *watermark 21:25 stormchaser3000 um like 1/20 if not 30th 21:25 stormchaser3000 1/30 21:26 artur99 oh, thanks for help :) 21:26 artur99 what barly means? 22:01 JackGruff nuts man, mesecon doesn't move with blocks pushed by pistons 22:01 JackGruff there goes my simple circuit breaker 22:01 stormchaser3000 lol 22:01 Menche trying to get the mesecon wire to be pushed? 22:02 JackGruff yes 22:02 Menche could use a Mese block instead of a mesecon wire. those will also conduct mesecons logic. 22:02 JackGruff hmmm 22:02 JackGruff let me try 22:03 Menche or, probably better, use one of the available logic gates. 22:03 Menche XOR should do it. 22:05 Menche if you have a wire going into one input of an XOR gate and out the output, sending an ON signal to the other input will break the circuit. 22:05 JackGruff it works! 22:05 JackGruff hmm 22:05 JackGruff i'll try that 22:06 JackGruff for some reason i thought i would have to make a memory cell to store the on/off state 22:06 JackGruff but i must have remembered some old redstone tutorial wrong 22:06 Menche RS-NOR latch? or just a luacontroller could do that if you're lazy. 22:07 JackGruff yeah 22:09 JackGruff is there any hack to get pistons to conduct? 22:10 JackGruff back in MC i wanted to stack sticky pistons on each other so they would all expand, but one piston can't conduct to the next 22:11 Menche i don't think so. you could probably modify the piston definition in the mod to make them conductive, but idk how exactly to do that. It may be as simple as adding a group. 22:13 stormchaser3000 it is 22:14 JackGruff ok, well, xor doesn't work in my case 22:14 JackGruff the one input is a blinky plant 22:14 JackGruff i'm basically trying to switch a clock on/off 22:26 JackGruff i friggin love git 22:26 JackGruff i love being able to update all mods in one go with one bash script 22:26 JackGruff suck on that notch 22:26 us`0gb JackGruff, couldn't a script handle regular uploading as well? 22:26 Menche yep. very convenient. Except for the occasional mod that is only available as a .rar archive from Mediafire... 22:26 JackGruff i suppose. 22:27 Menche as long as the latest version always has the same URL 22:27 JackGruff i just have a simple one that changes into each dir and calls git pull $dir 22:27 Menche it's hard to get any easier than "git pull" 22:27 JackGruff and it loops through them so i dont have to update each time i clone a new repo 22:28 us`0gb Personally, I'm not a fan of git. I use GitHub only because that is the standard this community has chosen. 22:28 JackGruff and then i just symlink to the mods folder as i may not want all from a mod pack 22:28 us`0gb It's easiest if we are all on the same page. 22:28 JackGruff what don't u like about git? 22:30 us`0gb Uploading in git takes three commands where only one should be needed. That's the main reason, but it's a pain in other small ways as well. 22:30 us`0gb I much prefer just uploading a regular file. 22:32 us`0gb THe three command thing is a clear sign that git is overly complex though. 22:32 JackGruff VanessaE, why hasn't git cracked done on you for storing so much non-code files? 22:36 * Evergreen is back 22:36 Evergreen Hi us`0gb 22:37 Evergreen Hi Mossmanikin! 22:37 Evergreen Been a while since I've seen you on irc 22:40 us`0gb Hello! 22:40 us`0gb I saw you on IRC yesterday, I think. 22:42 Evergreen Not you us`0gb, I meant Mossmanikin 22:43 us`0gb Oh, sorry, I kind of spaced that. 22:45 Mossmanikin Evergreen: Hi Evergreen :) 22:45 Evergreen Hello 22:46 Mossmanikin Either too busy with modding or too much RL ;) 22:47 Evergreen Yeah, one can have too much real life sometimes 22:48 us`0gb Sometimes? Try all the time. 22:49 * us`0gb just wants to escape for a bit 22:49 Mossmanikin Yea earth days don't have enough hours 22:51 Mossmanikin And there's Murphy's law of course 22:51 us`0gb Of course. 22:51 us`0gb Why would he write such an awful law? 22:52 Menche a mars day only has about 0.6 more hours than a earth one 22:52 Menche darn. 22:52 Menche it's cold there anyways. 22:52 us`0gb My brother wants us to colonize Mars. 22:52 us`0gb He talks about it all the time. 22:52 Menche isn't there some project that wants to send a group on a one-way trip? 22:52 Menche to mars 22:53 Mossmanikin Dunno, but sounds cool 22:53 Menche they have it all planned out and think they can pull it off. I'm kind of skeptical. 22:53 us`0gb I'm not sure, I don't have time to follow news. I'm the last to know about everything. 22:55 Menche http://www.mars-one.com/en/ 22:55 Mossmanikin I'd prefer we learn how to LIVE on this planet, still... I like the idea of living on another planet 22:55 Menche a lot of people actually applied to go 22:56 JackGruff we need insulated vertical mesecon 22:56 JackGruff but i wanna go to mars :( 22:57 us`0gb I think if we manage to get off the planet, two main things will happen. First of all, we'll be like a virus, advancing our reach and taking over worlds. Second, we'll be able to escape the eventual death of our current planet. 22:57 JackGruff virus? negative connotations? 22:58 Menche not that there's much to take over. An icy bunch of rust-filled dirt and rocks. 22:58 us`0gb Viruses spread and concur. I know no other metaphor for that. 22:58 JackGruff i call it "species insurance" 22:59 us`0gb (sorry, bad spelling) 22:59 us`0gb It is that, which is my second point. 22:59 JackGruff but i think that's to facilitate breeding 22:59 JackGruff which we are naturally selected for 22:59 * Menche doesn't think a mars colony will be able to exist on it's own without support from Earth 22:59 us`0gb But we'll also just spread and multiply. 22:59 Mossmanikin A virus is just a living being (or not, depends on the definition of life) 22:59 JackGruff yes. those that don't die off 23:00 us`0gb Right. This is assuming we were to figure out how to survive. 23:00 us`0gb Without Earth. 23:00 JackGruff i would die of boredom on mars to be honest 23:00 Menche the Martian atmosphere is thin, cold, and (almost?) oxygen-less 23:00 us`0gb Right. THis isn't happening any time soon. 23:00 Mossmanikin I like the idea of terraforming... 23:01 Menche i'm not saying it's impossible, but the first colonies will have to be completely contained in small climate controlled capsules. a full suit will be needed to do anything outside. 23:02 Menche this conversation started because Mossmanikin complained that there aren't enough hours in an Earth day. 23:02 Mossmanikin And I'm afraid there'll be a lot psychological problems... 23:03 Mossmanikin Menche: yeah, sorry about that... actually not :D 23:03 Menche what, knowing that you'll be separated from the rest of humanity for the rest of your life? 23:03 Mossmanikin Isolation 23:05 Menche there'd be a ping of several hours. 23:05 Menche the block you just placed disappeared off the server? you haven't seen network lag yet. 23:05 Mossmanikin I mean: whe already have that in civilization with no nature around us, guess it'd be worse on another planet 23:06 Menche of course the connection would have timed out before the init packet got to the server. 23:07 Mossmanikin Surely is a reason to not move to mars 23:08 Menche lol 23:08 JackGruff is there a point in enabling all three texture filtering options or does anisotropic override them? 23:08 Menche all 3? 23:09 Menche mipmap, aniso, bilinear, trilinear 23:09 Menche ? 23:09 JackGruff yes 23:09 Menche 4 23:09 Menche i don't know, i don't think aniso overrides them 23:09 JackGruff i though mipmapping did something a bit different 23:09 Menche it cuts down on noise in the distance 23:10 Menche but causes a hard edge where it takes effect. anisotropic filtering fixes that. 23:10 Menche i usually have both mipmapping and aniso on 23:10 JackGruff i may be wrong but i though anisotropic was suppose to succeed bi and tri 23:10 JackGruff thought* 23:10 Menche bi/trilinear look terrible on any texture pack lower than about 256x 23:11 Mossmanikin Which is of course a matter of taste ;) 23:11 Menche sort of. 23:11 Menche not really. 23:11 * Menche doesn't understand how you can prefer your texures all blurred like that, but whatever. 23:12 JackGruff i think we need a tp that's specifically designed for it 23:12 JackGruff like a regular game's is 23:12 Menche IMO anisotropic + mipmaps are the best for the default and most texture packs. 23:13 Menche bi/trilinear looks fine with super-hi-res packs like HDX 23:14 Menche ...what's the difference between bi and trilinear filtering anyway? does one override the other when both are on? I haven't seen much difference. 23:14 JackGruff that's the question i asked 23:14 JackGruff from what i understand, tri is more sophisticated than bi 23:15 Mossmanikin There is a difference, but forgot, don't use 'rem... 23:15 Mossmanikin *'em 23:15 Menche another setting i like is fsaa. 23:15 Menche it isn't in the GUI for some reason. 23:16 Mossmanikin what does fsaa stand for? 23:16 Menche ever notice how the the black selection box has jagged edges? setting fsaa to about 4 fixes that. 23:16 Menche i believe it stands for "full screen anti-aliasing" 23:16 Menche but im not 100% sure 23:16 Mossmanikin Ah, k 23:17 JackGruff "Like bilinear and trilinear filtering, anisotropic filtering eliminates aliasing effects, but improves on these other techniques by reducing blur and preserving detail at extreme viewing angles." 23:17 JackGruff from wikipedia 23:18 Menche anisotropic filtering definitely doesn't override that in minetest. 23:18 JackGruff maybe i should make a post on the forum so one of the devs can answer 23:18 JackGruff i think you're confusing it with edge aliasing 23:19 Menche maybe the bi/trilinear filtering is used on the textures themselves, while anisotropic filtering is used for the entire view? if that makes sense? 23:19 JackGruff no, wikipedia says textures 23:19 Menche idk 23:19 JackGruff your thinking of the aliasing along the edges of a mesh 23:19 JackGruff you're 23:20 JackGruff fsaa fixes that 23:20 Menche anisotropic helps reduce noise and eliminates the hard line caused by the mipmaps. 23:20 Menche i never said it reduced the aliasing. 23:22 JackGruff k 23:22 JackGruff it's just that, if you look at the option in other games, they only give you a choice between the three 23:23 Menche 3 what? 23:23 JackGruff bi tri and ani 23:23 JackGruff i've never seen a game let you choose all three at once 23:24 Menche this is a guess, but i think all minetest does with those options is set certain flags on the appropriate Irrlicht objects 23:24 Menche so it would depend on how the Irrlicht engine handles those. 23:24 JackGruff yeah, and im guessing irrlicht chooses the most sophisticated of the three 23:25 JackGruff so if u tick bi and tri, it use tri 23:31 JackGruff fug i hate it when tp authors stop updating 23:37 Evergreen Calvin and hobbes was the best cartoon to be in a newspaper imo https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=114362#p114362 23:40 JackGruff bad link? 23:41 Nocte Hmm.. 23:41 Nocte Calvin and Hobbes? :p 23:41 JackGruff are you the author of MT-Faithful, btw? 23:42 Nocte Talking about comics... Finland only gets those comedy stuff nowadays. 23:42 jojoa1997 can anyone help me with linux terminal stuff 23:43 Nocte Only actual comic I saw was 'Kick-ass' translated into Finnish. :( 23:43 Nocte I avoided it because the jokes would have probably been lost in translation. 23:43 Evergreen What do you need help with jojoa1997 23:44 jojoa1997 i want to make a command that will change all of the textures of potions_*.png from 16x to 32x 23:45 Evergreen Use imagemagick 23:45 Nocte Btw, textures: Are there any Full HD textures? :p 23:45 jojoa1997 VanessaE's HDX from 16-256 23:45 Evergreen I can dig up the command if you want 23:46 jojoa1997 and Evergreen imagegick? what is that? 23:46 Nocte How much does it make the game lag? Haha. 23:46 jojoa1997 that would be cool 23:46 Mossmanikin also 512 AFAIK 23:46 Evergreen Can someone else tell him what imagemagick is? 23:46 jojoa1997 Mossmanikin, but not even VanessaE with her super computer uses that 23:47 jojoa1997 is imagegick on ubuntu by default 23:48 Mossmanikin jojoa1997: hm... used it for a couple of days, but prefer the original textures most of the time 23:49 Evergreen Here you go: convert image.png -resize 32x32 resized_image.png 23:50 Evergreen Also, can't remember how to do that automatically, I suppose you could use a basth script to do tha 23:50 Evergreen (for a bunch of images that is) 23:50 Evergreen *that 23:50 Evergreen I'm pretty sure imagemagick is default for ubuntu 23:51 jojoa1997 what does the resized_image.png mean 23:52 JackGruff the name you want the resulting file to be 23:52 Evergreen The name of the resized image 23:52 Evergreen *ninja'd 23:53 jojoa1997 ok it works but how do i make it not lose sharp edges 23:55 Mossmanikin Is there an option saying something like "next neighbour"? 23:55 JackGruff why don't you grab them from her higher res releases? 23:55 jojoa1997 i am using terminal 23:56 jojoa1997 this is for overcraft_origins 23:59 Mossmanikin Don't get why when resizing a pic the output is blured by default...