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00:07 pitriss please, is there way to replace already registered recipe instead of adding alternative recipe?
00:09 NakedFury the lua file
00:09 NakedFury I guess no
00:11 pitriss okay.. i will try to solve conflict in recipes in other way.. thanks anyway
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00:13 VanessaE there is no way from within a mod to do so, no
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01:47 arsdragonfly VanessaE there should be
01:48 VanessaE agreed
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01:53 kahrl well there was #696 but it was never merged
01:55 VanessaE kahrl: how goes your http fetch work?
01:56 kahrl I've been busy with other stuff, sadly
01:56 VanessaE ohh
01:57 VanessaE you should merge that soon
02:00 * NekoGloop curls up in VanessaE's lap
02:00 VanessaE heh
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02:41 arsdragonfly pitriss: try this : function a() = minetest:register_craft_recipe()
02:42 arsdragonfly minetest:register_craft_recipe() = function if not (the recipe to be replaced) then a(parameter) end
02:42 arsdragonfly I'm not quite sure about the syntax, but I hope you get my point anyway :P
02:43 pitriss arsdragonfly: ok i will try that morning.. now I'm going to sleep.. ty for advice..:)
02:44 arsdragonfly My pleasure
02:44 pitriss night all
02:49 NakedFury first under lab!
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03:52 zsoltisawesome Y u no talk minetest?
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04:04 RealBadAngel hi all
04:04 NakedFury hi
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04:08 zsoltisawesome You know what? Here: http://postimg.org/image/r5vzr2kq3/
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04:08 rotcaer o/
04:09 zsoltisawesome \o
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04:16 RedBlade7 hi
04:16 RedBlade7 is there any way to have hardware acceleration on linux with minetest?
04:16 RealBadAngel new video with parallax mapping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEH9vXKRIHU
04:16 RedBlade7 i get 60-70 FPS and max CPU
04:17 RealBadAngel theres FPS cap at 60
04:17 RedBlade7 ok
04:17 RealBadAngel you can turn it off in config
04:18 RedBlade7 does it force more cpu if i did that?
04:18 RedBlade7 i'd rather use the gpu if i can :)
04:18 NakedFury looks great
04:18 RedBlade7 no meaning i'd rather not waste cpu power
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04:19 rotcaer why need more than 25 fps?
04:19 RedBlade7 i dont
04:19 RedBlade7 i just dont want one core of CPU at 75-100%
04:19 rotcaer we can't see the diff above 30 fps, really
04:19 RedBlade7 when i have a gpu
04:19 VanessaE GPUs don't do motion blur, so you need a much higher frame rate to compensate for it
04:19 rotcaer GPU does the drawing
04:19 VanessaE at least they usually don't.
04:20 VanessaE a person with good eyes can see up to around 80 fps.
04:20 rotcaer but CPU is loaded because there are millions of blocks to feed
04:20 RedBlade7 ok
04:20 RedBlade7 i know when i got the hqx pack i had to get the 256K because the 512K version took a very long time to load
04:20 VanessaE HDX
04:20 rotcaer VanessaE: idk, I can notice the screen flicker st 60 Hz, but that's screen, and ingame image is persistent between redraws
04:20 RedBlade7 hdx
04:20 rotcaer at*
04:21 RedBlade7 VanessaE: you were the one listed who invented that right?
04:21 VanessaE and I use 256px because minetest can't handle the 512px size anymore
04:21 VanessaE Invented?  call it "assembled" :)
04:21 RedBlade7 lol
04:21 rotcaer And why need photographical texture packs in a retro game?
04:21 VanessaE because it's fun?
04:21 rotcaer they just don't fit!
04:22 RedBlade7 i didnt know it was supposed to be retro
04:23 RedBlade7 let me double-check graphics settings
04:23 RedBlade7 see if i can disable stuff
04:25 RedBlade7 i never like to use anisotropic filtering in anything, i think things look better without it, so i always leave it off. that's disabled
04:25 rotcaer sam here eh
04:25 rotcaer same*
04:25 rotcaer textures look blurry with it
04:25 RedBlade7 i dont know why "bi-linear" and "tri-linear" are both there but i checked them both
04:25 RedBlade7 rotcaer: not a matter of blurriness, just overly non-computer-like
04:26 RedBlade7 i checked this afternoon on the wiki about settings, couldnt find anything
04:26 RedBlade7 anyone have any suggestions to use less cpu?
04:26 RedBlade7 what to check/uncheck
04:26 rotcaer RedBlade7: ?
04:26 RedBlade7 in the settings
04:29 rotcaer RedBlade7: most options are commented in the config
04:29 rotcaer minetest.conf.example
04:29 RealBadAngel filtering is useful only for higher resolution textures
04:30 RealBadAngel also should definitely be turned on while using bumpmapping or parallax mapping
04:31 RedBlade7 oh ok i was looking at the menu
04:31 RedBlade7 will look at the file
04:32 RealBadAngel and about CPU usage, game mechanics takes most of the time
04:32 RealBadAngel this has nothing to do with GPU
04:32 RedBlade7 ok
04:33 RedBlade7 i dont know how to describe it, so i will compare two open-source games and someone can explain
04:33 RedBlade7 with urbanterror, it uses lots of cpu and of course the gpu
04:33 RedBlade7 with openarena, it uses little cpu and of course the gpu
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04:33 RedBlade7 without the gpu, the cpu would do it all
04:33 RealBadAngel things like parallax mapping you could see in video i posted earlier use GPU extensively
04:33 RedBlade7 if i used the integrated video
04:33 RedBlade7 ok
04:34 RealBadAngel so turning it off will speed you up
04:34 RedBlade7 idont have that in the settings
04:34 RedBlade7 there's "mipmapping"
04:34 RedBlade7 and i have it off
04:34 RealBadAngel ofc you dont have it
04:34 RealBadAngel thats a feature to come
04:34 RedBlade7 i have the git
04:34 RedBlade7 can anyone explain to me though what i'm talking about when i say "cpu vs gpu"
04:35 RedBlade7 with the example i gave above
04:35 rotcaer Why would png files be chmod +x?
04:35 rotcaer :(
04:35 RealBadAngel GPU is responsible for fancy effects like shaders
04:35 RealBadAngel not the game
04:35 RedBlade7 ok
04:35 RedBlade7 now i get it
04:36 RealBadAngel with simple things you can try to lower view range
04:36 RedBlade7 and the shaders would be done by cpu if onboard video
04:36 RealBadAngel shaders are GPU only thing
04:37 RealBadAngel onboard video is not made for such stuff
04:37 RealBadAngel ie gaming
04:40 RedBlade7 is vsync on by default?
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04:42 RedBlade7 no but doesnt seem to matter
04:44 RedBlade7 maybe i should look at the config file instead of the menu and guessing
04:45 RealBadAngel theres config example
04:45 RealBadAngel with all the settings aviable
04:45 rotcaer RedBlade7: reduce the draw distance
04:45 rotcaer it affects cpu load
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04:53 RedBlade7 where's that in the config
04:54 RealBadAngel press + - ingame
04:54 RedBlade7 ok
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05:17 nore RealBadAngel, are you still there?
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06:15 cy1 How do you get a pneumatic tube to supply fuel to a furnace? On the bottom I guess?
06:16 nore yes
06:16 cy1 yeah the pipe goes on the bottom my bad
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06:58 us}0gb VanessaE, are you still awake?
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07:12 reactor Does reducing PNG compression speed up texture loading?
07:12 us}0gb That's a good question. I have no idea.
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08:00 thexyz > Your favourite... > FYI the correct spelling is favorite
08:10 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7416
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08:14 reactor thexyz: depends on the language
08:14 us}0gb Or you won't survive? I didn't realize survival was an option.
08:14 reactor English vs. American
08:14 us}0gb English vs. United Statesian.
08:15 us}0gb Americans come from North or South America. Two whole continents.
08:15 us}0gb I wish survival was an option, but I fear I will oneday die.
08:16 us}0gb *one day
08:16 thexyz reactor: this is why I cited that
08:17 us}0gb Ha ha, jojoa1997's favorite Minetest user is himself!
08:17 thexyz american english only english
08:18 reactor American to English is like Linux to Unix
08:19 us}0gb So ... freer?
08:20 reactor No.
08:20 reactor Less quality, more popular.
08:20 reactor s/Less/Lower/
08:20 reactor And the former is a clone of the latter.
08:21 reactor Like Elektronika-60 to PDP-11.
08:22 reactor Oh wait, the Soviets did fix some bugs in the CPU.
08:22 reactor s/ts/t/
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08:28 reactor Speaking of which, I wonder if it's theoretically possible to host MT on a 25 MHz machine with 4M RAM.
08:29 us}0gb Alright, it's time for me to get to bed. G'night!
08:29 reactor Night.
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08:39 nore how do you make a node that will change what it will drop depending on its meta?
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08:58 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
08:58 PilzAdam nice user name: https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=7841
09:00 nore PilzAdam, how would you make a node whose drops depend on its meta?
09:01 PilzAdam set drops to "" and then call handle_node_drops() in on_dig() manually
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09:01 nore yes, but it looks like items are not added to inventory... :(
09:02 PilzAdam code?
09:02 nore http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?48ddeed1407ea073​#y03V28LJf0vNolWNF3uFzfB42HCFKxPF4Uvj3gSliZU=
09:02 nore the first part of the code is correct, that is sure
09:03 nore if I do print(drops), I get that: {[1] = "technic:template 4"}
09:03 PilzAdam cant you use a pastebin that doesnt require JS?
09:04 nore anyway, I do that: minetest.handle_node_drops(pos, drops, digger)
09:04 PilzAdam what is the nodedef?
09:04 nore with correct drops and pos and digger, but I don't have anything
09:04 nore after_dig_node = template_drops,
09:07 nore ah, I fixed it
09:07 nore it was the problem of a strange bug with UI in creative
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09:23 webdesigner97 hi!
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09:38 Jordach my brother ripped a cd, what format?
09:38 Jordach > .m4a
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09:45 * Jordach will probably make a post about games that support custom user stuff
09:45 reactor ?
09:45 Jordach i've been minetesting in places where it is not possible
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10:12 * Jordach pokes sfan5
10:12 reactor ?
10:12 Jordach ?
10:12 * sfan5 pokes Jordach
10:12 sfan5 ?
10:12 Jordach sfan5, you at home or not
10:12 sfan5 no
10:12 sfan5 try again at 17:00
10:12 * Jordach needs your building service
10:13 sfan5 that works from everywhere :P
10:14 reactor What does the "math" mapgen do?
10:14 Jordach sfan5, https://gitorious.org/minete​st-classic/minetest-classic/
10:14 sfan5 Jordach: oh..
10:14 sfan5 when I build minetest-classic it ends up broken
10:15 sfan5 I might try in 5 mins
10:15 Jordach then how does sdzen do it
10:15 Jordach i'll attempt myself
10:15 FreeFull I do miss the glorious mapgen of earlier minetest
10:15 FreeFull Which got abandoned due to being slow AFAIK
10:15 FreeFull It was beautiful ):
10:19 Evergreen Hello everyone!
10:19 Jordach hello Evergreen
10:23 reactor markveidemanis: o/
10:24 markveidemanis Hi!
10:26 markveidemanis Who has Facebook, Path, Twitter, LinkedIn or tumblr?
10:27 Jordach gtfo
10:27 Jordach now,
10:29 markveidemanis What does the fox say?
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10:30 reactor Uh.
10:30 reactor As soon as I enter a nether portal, the game hangs.
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10:44 reactor Is it possible to whitelist players?
10:44 sfan5 no
10:44 reactor mk
10:45 reactor markveidemanis: social networking is for those who can't talk to people irl.
10:45 reactor And Twitter is for attn hos.
10:46 Jordach +8
10:48 markveidemanis Like ^^
10:48 Jordach you want a !kick
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10:49 reactor I don't.
10:49 reactor That's just a manner of speech, brother sir.
10:53 markveidemanis I want a server to play on
10:54 markveidemanis Anyone?
10:54 reactor idk
10:54 reactor I'm bringing up one today
10:54 reactor but you've already seen it
10:54 markveidemanis I havent
10:54 markveidemanis Not on my new PC
10:54 reactor Yes you have.
10:54 reactor mk
10:54 markveidemanis Ive seen it on a screen less than a quarter of the size i have now
10:54 reactor I'll query you when I'm ready.
10:54 markveidemanis ok
10:55 reactor That is not my problem, sir!
10:57 reactor If I pause the game while loading a WE scehme, will it be loading?
10:58 markveidemanis in theory yes
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10:58 rotcaer mk
10:59 Dan_D Help? minetest.register_on_dieplayer(function(pos, player, node)
10:59 Dan_D minetest.add_node(player:getpos(), {name="castle:grave"})
10:59 Dan_D end)
10:59 Dan_D 11:58:11: ERROR[main]: ServerError: LuaError: error: /home/daniel/.minetest/mods/castle/grave.lua:29: attempt to index local 'player' (a nil value)
11:00 rotcaer which worldgen is the default?
11:00 rotcaer and which one is the latest?
11:01 Dan_D Help?
11:02 Dan_D Also, V6 is default mapgen
11:02 Jordach sfan5, are libraries .a files
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11:03 Dan_D Help anyone?
11:03 Jordach oh it isnt
11:07 Evergreen rotcaer, the latest is mg7, but it only generates stone (unless any mods define biomes) mg6 is the default
11:07 rotcaer mk
11:07 rotcaer what is indev?
11:09 Jordach !rev rotcaer
11:09 MinetestBot reactor
11:09 Jordach thanks MinetestBot
11:09 MinetestBot :)
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11:11 rotcaer !rev Jordach
11:11 MinetestBot hcadroJ
11:11 rotcaer lmao.
11:21 rotcaer !inv markveidemanis
11:21 rotcaer oops
11:21 rotcaer !rev markveidemanis
11:21 MinetestBot sinamedievkram
11:21 rotcaer Siname dievk RAM!
11:26 markveidemanis ???
11:27 markveidemanis !b16e Hello Tyhere
11:27 markveidemanis grrr
11:28 rotcaer Learn. To. Type.
11:29 markveidemanis Its not the parameters that are wrong
11:29 markveidemanis !b64e Hello
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11:32 Jordach markveidemanis, MinetestBot has you on her ignore lists
11:32 MinetestBot That's true, Jordach.
11:32 markveidemanis Twat.
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11:43 sfan5 Jordach: yep
11:44 Jordach http://paste.ubuntu.com/6230855/
11:44 Jordach ^ explain
11:45 smoke_fumus Jordach: can't open file.
11:45 Jordach smoke_fumus, cmake cannot locate the library file for jthread
11:45 Jordach 2.8.12 as well
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11:47 Jordach it seems to be looking for .lib files that don't exist
11:47 john_minetest Hello everypony
11:48 Jordach the jthread folder has no .lib, i checked thorughly
11:49 john_minetest RealBadAngel: Are you here?
11:57 * Jordach pokes sfan5
11:57 sfan5 Jordach: wrong library for jthread
11:58 Jordach sfan5, it was bundled with minetest-classic
11:58 Jordach idea
11:59 Jordach sfan5, pulled the one from minetest/minetest
12:00 Gethiox2 minetest have a background music?
12:00 john_minetest Gethiox2: No but there are mods that can add it
12:00 Gethiox2 okay, thanks john_minetest
12:01 Jordach sfan5, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6230919/
12:01 Jordach cmake's generate output
12:01 sfan5 jthread.h is a C/C++ header, not a library file
12:02 Jordach hm, im using the library file from the 0.4.x minetest
12:02 Jordach (well. jthread folder)
12:02 sfan5 how is the library file named?
12:02 Jordach http://paste.ubuntu.com/6230855/
12:03 Jordach there doesnt seem to be any .lib
12:03 sfan5 .h means it is a fucking header file not a library
12:03 Jordach 2>LINK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file 'jthread.h.lib'
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12:04 sfan5 >jthread.h.lib
12:04 sfan5 >.h
12:04 sfan5 read what I said
12:04 Jordach sfan5, cmakefiles is empty
12:04 Jordach there's just .c, .h and .cpp files
12:04 Jordach no lib
12:04 sfan5 exactly
12:04 Jordach then wtf is it looking for
12:05 Jordach plan b: removed the jthread library from cmake
12:05 sfan5 you told cmake the libfile is jthread.h, it does not end in .lib so it looks for <path>.lib
12:05 Jordach hm
12:06 Jordach and here's my cmake: http://i.imgur.com/SCThME8.png
12:07 Jordach fun fact: i havent compiled minetest on windows for 2.1 years
12:09 Jordach 2>LINK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file 'jthread.lib'
12:09 Jordach dafuq do you want jthread
12:13 Jordach lol
12:17 Jordach where is blockmen when you need him
12:17 rotcaer pwned
12:21 Jordach fuck it; i'll build jthread
12:23 Jordach FINALLY: jthread-static.vcxproj -> C:\Users\Jordach\Desktop\jthrea​d-1.3.1\src\RELEASE\jthread.lib
12:24 Jordach that's the droid im fucking looking for
12:27 rotcaer hmm
12:27 rotcaer we lag a lot
12:29 Jordach now let's hope it fucking builds
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13:06 markveidemanis Who is in germany?
13:07 Jordach that's a dumb question
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13:09 markveidemanis I have a proxy server in germany and want someone to test it
13:09 markveidemanis Its an online php server for bypassing school/work blocking limits
13:10 NakedFury PilzAdam, sfan, and a bunch of others
13:10 markveidemanis http://goo.gl/8s90P3 try the proxy
13:12 NakedFury I can try it at my college. they use Sonicwall
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13:14 markveidemanis Is it fast?
13:14 markveidemanis Do you know of a better software for this use?
13:14 PilzAdam I dont understand why you need someone from germany to test a proxy in germany
13:15 NakedFury no. I have no other proxy that works against sonicwall so I will test it there tomorrow
13:15 NakedFury but usng it now it seems fast
13:17 markveidemanis In uk its slow as hell...
13:19 Jordach meh
13:19 Jordach i found a way to do it
13:20 Jordach i use packet injection indicating that the user accound is in fact one of the school admins
13:20 Jordach because we have access to MSVC
13:21 NakedFury MSVC?
13:22 Jordach Visual Studio
13:23 Jordach basically, i used wireshark to follow the modfiied smoothwall packets to overlay a website, then used packet injection to indicate to the proxy server that i am an admin
13:24 NakedFury well we dont have visual studio sadly
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13:29 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/roFMGVQ.png
13:34 rotcaer /exec -o yes
13:40 nore I have a question about minetest.get_meta...
13:40 chlue hm ist control+c a correct way to 'shutdown' the server of should I do something different for a clean shutdown?
13:40 nore what does it return if the area is not loaded?
13:50 rotcaer Hmm.
13:50 rotcaer Is this normal if servers lag?
13:50 rotcaer What should I check if the delay is as high as 2 seconds?
13:50 rotcaer (it happens over network, on localhost it's fine)
13:55 chlue rotcaer: some servers are very slow. Enter /status and if the maxlag value is bigger than one then don't expect fluid gameplay as in singleplayer
13:55 rotcaer mk
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14:00 Jordach can someone render the minetest logo at 32px
14:00 PilzAdam why dont you do it yourself?
14:00 sfan5 ^
14:00 Jordach PilzAdam fag count: 18
14:17 rotcaer chlue: maxlag is about 0.2
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14:21 zat Someone eher~
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14:30 Jordach huh
14:30 Jordach smooth lighting doesnt work on fancy trees
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14:31 Jordach hello Calinou
14:32 Calinou hi :)
14:32 rotcaer o/
14:32 rotcaer Jordach: doesn't work on slabs, either
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14:35 Jordach i know you're here VanessaE
14:35 Calinou * [VanessaE] inactif  00:03:21,
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14:36 Jordach see, the french stole english :P
14:36 john_minetest the english stole french
14:37 rotcaer everyone stole everything
14:37 rotcaer Now kill yourself.
14:37 john_minetest dent-de-lion (tooth of lion) -> dandelion
14:38 rotcaer yep
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14:48 VanessaE hi
14:48 VanessaE I was in scrollback.
14:49 rotcaer o/
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14:58 Mallot1 good morning
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14:58 Mallot1 does anyone have any info about minetest 0.4.8? Ive been checking the minetest.net site everyday
14:59 VanessaE it is not out yet and there is no release schedule yet
14:59 rotcaer Mallot1: use the latest one from git eh
14:59 Mallot1 oh its out?
14:59 rotcaer it's not
15:00 rotcaer but it's cutting-edge
15:00 VanessaE repeating:  it is not out yet and there is no release schedule yet
15:00 VanessaE use a nightly git build instead if 0.4.7 is too old for your needs.
15:00 minetest lol
15:00 minetest cool
15:01 minetest i just went to the inecraft channel
15:01 VanessaE why?
15:01 minetest the moment i changed my name to minetest i got banned
15:01 minetest LOL
15:01 rotcaer Ha.
15:01 VanessaE well no shit
15:01 VanessaE they're tired of the trolls
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15:01 minetest there just hatin
15:01 minetest :)
15:02 VanessaE they're*
15:02 rotcaer hating*
15:02 VanessaE and perhaps, but mostly they're just sick of the trolling.
15:02 Calinou they are indeed hating
15:02 Calinou it's common to hate on a cheaper or free product when you pay more for something similar
15:02 minetest i know i spelled it wrong
15:02 Calinou spell it mesetint :>
15:02 minetest exactly Calinou
15:03 minetest he sees the light
15:03 rotcaer or the blight?
15:04 Mallot1 yea :D
15:04 VanessaE It needs to be, in my opinion, the official policy of this channel and community to not troll or harass minecraft users and their various resources.  We need to cut that crap out.
15:04 Mallot1 who harsses minecraft
15:04 Mallot1 aay I if u do
15:05 Mallot1 *say
15:05 Mallot1 *you
15:05 VanessaE you mean "aye".
15:05 VanessaE and no.
15:05 rotcaer Then you will expand that to OS harassment.
15:05 Mallot1 I didnt think so
15:05 rotcaer And get me banned.
15:05 rotcaer No, thanks.
15:06 Mallot1 lololololllolololollooloololollololllollol​ololololololololololololololololololololol​ololololololololololololololololloolollol
15:06 Mallot1 minetest is nicer
15:06 rotcaer in fact, windows users do deserve some harassment.
15:06 Mallot1 to people
15:06 Mallot1 hey
15:06 Mallot1 im on windows 8 sucka B)
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15:06 rotcaer Aha! Gotcha you [CENSORED]!
15:06 rotcaer Kidding.
15:06 rotcaer But hey.
15:06 Dan_D Is this right? paramtype2 = "6facedir"
15:07 rotcaer How can you use that crap?
15:07 Mallot1 you learn pretty fat actually
15:07 Mallot1 *fast
15:07 Mallot1 what are you on?
15:07 Calinou paramtype2 = "facedir"
15:07 Calinou works
15:07 Calinou it's 6d already :P
15:07 Calinou Mallot1: he is on netbsd...
15:08 Mallot1 I've heard of it
15:08 rotcaer Calinou: not anymore
15:08 rotcaer I use netbsd for virtual machines, though.
15:08 Dan_D No it isn't
15:08 Mallot1 cool
15:08 Dan_D It is only 4d
15:08 Dan_D not 6d
15:09 Mallot1 I got a OSX Mountain Lion VM on my windows 8
15:09 Dan_D Otherwise furnaces could be placed facing up
15:09 Calinou use screwdriver
15:09 Calinou Dan_D: not relevant
15:09 Dan_D Does it rotate nodeboxes?
15:09 rotcaer Calinou: I run freebsd now; I have to say, it's quite similar.
15:09 Calinou you have to do that yourself
15:09 Calinou it does
15:09 Calinou rotcaer: phew...
15:09 rotcaer Calinou: ?
15:09 Dan_D Really? Oh
15:10 Calinou at least you're using more proper drivers :>
15:10 Mallot1 dang this chat is flying
15:10 Calinou I hope :>
15:10 rotcaer Calinou: I am.
15:10 rotcaer Calinou: but NVIDIA are still [CENSORED].
15:11 Mallot1 I was on the minecraft community last year
15:11 Dan_D Is the screwdriver craftable?
15:11 Mallot1 and they were jerks
15:11 Mallot1 were wining in user friendlyness
15:12 * Mallot1 is flexing his muscles
15:12 rotcaer Windows is user-hostile.
15:12 Mallot1 How
15:12 rotcaer It can't be used remotely with efficiency.
15:12 Mallot1 did u try logmein
15:12 Mallot1 logmein.com
15:13 rotcaer *ahem* It can not be used remotely without graphical login.
15:13 rotcaer It can not be used efficiently without graphics, at all. But even its GUI is inefficient.
15:13 Mallot1 oh you dont like the new start screen and GUI stuff they are adding
15:13 rotcaer It takes efforts and time to deploy on machines.
15:14 rotcaer And it takes even more efforts to keep in shape.
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15:14 rotcaer And it has as much holes as a honeycomb!
15:14 rotcaer I could continue, but I wont. It's crap. I rest my case.
15:14 Mallot1 Lol XD
15:15 Mallot1 I still like windows
15:15 Mallot1 its easy to download things
15:15 Mallot1 it has a nice desktop
15:15 Mallot1 and GUI
15:15 zat Signs someone who apparently hasnt tried any other OS.
15:15 Mallot1 and is user friendly almost anyone can use it
15:15 rotcaer Yes.
15:16 rotcaer It's idiot-friendly.
15:16 rotcaer And user-hostile.
15:16 Mallot1 zat: just buy it for me and ill try it out
15:16 Mallot1 :)
15:16 zat Buy what Mallot1
15:16 Mallot1 i like free OS's
15:16 rotcaer Not everyone is an idiot, not everyone needs shiny glossy big buttons to work!
15:16 PilzAdam Mallot1, " easy to download things" have you ever tried a package manager in Linux?
15:16 rotcaer Oh yeah. That.
15:16 Mallot1 Ive seen them i think they are really cool
15:16 rotcaer What we see here is yet another Windows bigot.
15:17 Mallot1 I like linus and Mac and Windows
15:17 Mallot1 *linux
15:17 rotcaer You like men?
15:17 rotcaer I dind't know.
15:17 Mallot1 Ive been trying to get Linux for ages now
15:17 Mallot1 but i dont know how
15:17 rotcaer I mean, Freudian slip.
15:17 Mallot1 and i finally got a MAc V<
15:17 zat Doesnt matter, you are still at the point where you think Windows is more friendly. When friendliness is given by the desktop environment, where virtually all works basically the same.
15:17 Mallot1 *VM
15:18 rotcaer See that? He doesn't even type well.
15:18 VanessaE Mallot1: Make a backup of your computer.  Go to http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/  pick a mirror close to you, download, burn, boot.  Install if you see fit.
15:18 rotcaer Mallot1: stop trying to use computers, it's not for you.
15:18 Mallot1 zat no, the start menu in windows is good for those people who want apps ecery single day, but the desktop is better
15:18 VanessaE that's how you get Linux the right way
15:19 Mallot1 lol rotcaer :D:D:D:D:D
15:19 rotcaer Did I smirk?
15:19 zat Mallot1: the desktop is better... how?
15:19 Mallot1 i havent been trying to get linux full time
15:20 rotcaer You should learn how to use keyboard, man.
15:20 zat I kind of see a nonsensical comparison here... the start menu is nice but desktop is better
15:20 Mallot1 thanks Vanessa E
15:20 rotcaer That's the first thing a comptuer user should learn.
15:20 zat the driving wheel of a car is good but I prefer the speedometer
15:20 Mallot1 I got a riot
15:20 rotcaer zat: no, thanks. I like wheelchairs better.
15:21 zat You cannot call it a riot where you are in the middle alone disagreeing
15:21 Mallot1 im not disagreeing i said that they all are giid
15:21 rotcaer Mallot1: when one is disagreeing is more like DEMONSTRATIVE BEHAVIOUR
15:21 zat ...giid?
15:21 Calinou rotcaer: windows GUI is inefficient, I approve, yes :p
15:21 Mallot1 but i *brought* / *have* window 8
15:21 rotcaer Calinou: ...but any GUI is too slow to accomodate me :)
15:22 rotcaer Mallot1: congratulations. You've made Microsoft richer and yourself more broke-ass.
15:23 Mallot1 nope, i made microsoft richer
15:23 rotcaer ...and then they're asking why big corporations run countries, farming people for their food
15:23 zat Does Microsoft actually enforce the need of buying windows on all users?
15:23 Mallot1 Id rather not nickel and dime than to get what i like
15:24 Mallot1 windows - $300 Mac - $1000
15:24 rotcaer s/Id/I'd/
15:24 zat I mean, would they sue people not buying it and downloading-cracking it instead?
15:24 rotcaer Wawit.
15:24 rotcaer s/wit/it/
15:24 Calinou rotcaer: MS already got its money, they already sold tons of OEM licenses
15:24 rotcaer Id?
15:24 pitriss zat: in some kind yes. here you can't see linux in schools.. so yes..
15:24 Mallot1 well considering its illegal zat
15:24 Mallot1 just buy it
15:24 rotcaer Calinou: but lemmings do contribute to it, too
15:24 zat Well, but I say, for home users.
15:24 ruskie I'm glad I never bought a prebuilt box... so MS never got money out of me for such things
15:24 zat would they sue a single home user?
15:24 Calinou sell-ins matter for companies such as MS. not sell-outs
15:25 Mallot1 proably not za
15:25 Mallot1 zat
15:25 zat For example, here in Chile they dont
15:25 ruskie only thing they get money for was dos 6.22 and win 3.11
15:25 zat Sometimes I wonder that if they actually did, they would totally lose their “market” share.
15:25 rotcaer "Id". Are we talking psych now?
15:26 zat People use their OS because computers come with it, and they learn that it is like a reference OS, what is familiar...
15:26 Mallot1 hey guys if you havent noticed while you were disliking windows they are the top market for PC's
15:26 rotcaer Someone needs more control over their "Id", Mallot1.
15:26 Mallot1 what
15:26 zat so, from that point of view, all that does not work like windows or with windows is “wrong”.
15:26 rotcaer They say, "most successful" does not necessarily mean "best".
15:26 Mallot1 no \
15:26 Mallot1 thats only for idiots
15:27 Mallot1 that dont want to try new things
15:27 rotcaer They got so many users because their OS is idiot-friendly.
15:27 Mallot1 or the people who actually Like windows and want to USE it
15:27 rotcaer And most people are idiots.
15:27 rotcaer Idiots that can not be cured.
15:27 zat rotcaer: I would say because they invest in misinforming users
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15:27 rotcaer zat: the misinformed get fixed sooner or later
15:28 Mallot1 or people,who like to actually do what they need to to make something work for them
15:28 zat go ask random average users
15:28 rotcaer zat: but idiots don't
15:28 Mallot1 instead of sitting and complaining like idiots
15:28 zat most people think windows is synonym of graphical operating system or something
15:28 Mallot1 Windows is great
15:28 rotcaer (it's hard to fix the misinformed, though)
15:28 Mallot1 Mac is great
15:28 rotcaer Mallot1: that is like saying "I am great and bla bla bla"
15:28 Mallot1 Linux from what i heard is great
15:28 Mallot1 so this is over
15:28 zat uhm
15:29 rotcaer What we see here is... someone's broken the situation.
15:29 Mallot1 yup
15:29 rotcaer :(
15:29 zat My opinion: GNU/Linux (not linux alone) is great, Windows is an OS attempt, Mac is expensive
15:29 Mallot1 lol
15:29 Mallot1 yup
15:29 Mallot1 were entitled to our opinions
15:30 rotcaer zat: that makes a good quote
15:30 zat Microsoft should drop Windows and concentrate on making gaming consoles
15:30 rotcaer And that.
15:30 Calinou mac isn't an OS
15:30 pitriss zat: agree..
15:30 zat They already failed technologically on the desktop and office.
15:30 Calinou it's apple's computer brand. OS X is an OS
15:30 Mallot1 but there are so many kids sitting on their butts already
15:30 rotcaer But I'm afraid PC will disappear, and we will have nothing to run UNIX at home on.
15:30 Calinou zat: they make tons of money on both
15:30 Calinou because of monopoly
15:31 Calinou rotcaer: PCs will not disappear in the close future :P
15:31 rotcaer if Microsoft goes away from that market, it will
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15:31 Mallot1 then the other companies who are trying to make PC's will then have a chance
15:31 rotcaer because lemmings will stop buying the hardware that doesn't support Microsoft OS
15:32 rotcaer consuming lemmings are the market's driving force nowadays
15:32 Mallot1 "lemmings"?
15:32 rotcaer hamsters
15:32 Mallot1 oh lol
15:32 rotcaer 95% of humans
15:32 rotcaer the herd
15:32 rotcaer sheep
15:32 rotcaer etc.
15:33 zat Well, the only reason why GNU/Linux or other UNIX like OSs have not succeeded is because Microsoft is investing hard in trying to make other OSes look like they do things wrong, that is, hardening interoperability all they can.
15:33 Mallot1 and people who just want to write a paper
15:33 rotcaer People who write papers use TeX.
15:33 Calinou my dad writes papers using LibreOffice, Mallot1
15:33 Calinou you don't need MS office for that
15:33 Mallot1 or its simply people Microsft advertised alot
15:33 Mallot1 i write papers using OpenOffice
15:33 Calinou it's due to people hating on change and hating on openness
15:33 Mallot1 definitely that to
15:33 zat Calinou: people is resistant to change.
15:34 Calinou zat: fun fact: in france, there is a law about interoperability
15:34 Calinou but it's not really applied :(
15:34 zat How is it like Calinou?
15:34 Calinou eg. you're allowed to reverse engineer for interop purposes
15:34 * YOURMAMA
15:35 zat I think I read somewhere that in all europe you can
15:35 Calinou maybe
15:35 Mallot1 well, ee ya guys i have to finish learning OpenGL
15:35 Mallot1 *see
15:35 zat when I was researching for some library providing Skype protocol access.
15:36 zat Calinou, Mallot1, rotcaer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzdykNa2IBU
15:37 rotcaer see you, Mallot1
15:37 rotcaer zat: sorry, no youtube here
15:37 rotcaer Interoperability problems.
15:37 zat If an open-source freeware solution breaks, who’s gonna fix it?
15:37 zat that quote gave me cancer
15:37 Calinou rotcaer: youtube-dl
15:37 zat rotcaer: that video might play with the html5 plaer.
15:37 Calinou not breaking TOS anymore :p
15:37 zat player*
15:38 zat Anyway rotcaer: http://www.wimp.com/attacksopenoffice/
15:38 rotcaer Calinou: with that logic we'll have separate downloader for every site
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15:38 zat Youtube is not the world
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15:38 VanessaE oops.
15:39 zat rotcaer: different downloader for every site? what for? a site without flash is fine
15:39 rotcaer youtube-dl is separate
15:39 rotcaer and get_flash_videos is broken again
15:40 rotcaer because the twats have changed something on their crappy site
15:40 rotcaer zat: ?
15:41 rotcaer zat: what is that link about?
15:41 zat rotcaer: wasnt the issue about flash?
15:41 zat :)
15:41 zat rotcaer, check it with your computer? :P
15:41 Mallot1 that video was funny  zat
15:41 rotcaer it was
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15:41 Mallot1 :D
15:42 zat I just recalled that video when mentioned that interoperability thing
15:42 zat MS tries to convince users that they are the reference of all correctly done job
15:43 zat if something does not interoperate with MS Office, it is that something’s fault
15:43 rotcaer yep
15:43 zat not MS’s, because they are the “standard”.
15:43 rotcaer yep
15:43 zat And of course, games...
15:43 zat Some say that all game are made with directx
15:44 zat and windows is compatible with games
15:44 zat how is that? now OSes are the ones compatibles with software. LOL
15:44 rotcaer ^ recognise yourself, Mallot1?
15:44 zat kik
15:45 PilzAdam Minetest runs better on Linux
15:45 zat like other OSes did not support OpenGL
15:45 zat I remember one argument with a kid in jail
15:45 Mallot1 zat, rotcaer, Calinou : http://bit.ly/GMAetv
15:45 zat he said... all games are made with directx, not opengl, opengl is “freeware”.
15:45 VanessaE he's an idiot.
15:45 PilzAdam !title
15:46 MinetestBot PilzAdam: Let me google that for you
15:46 rotcaer Mallot1: ?
15:46 VanessaE there are a lot of games that are opengl-only
15:46 zat I asked... give me a single reason why DirectX is better than OpenGL, and I give you one back.
15:46 Mallot1 openGL is AwesomE!!!
15:46 zat He said, you first
15:46 zat I said... DirectX is proprietary and it will work only where Microsoft wants to give support.
15:46 zat He did not reply to that...
15:46 zat Then he said... well, for some reason companies make games with DirectX.
15:47 Calinou PilzAdam: Minetest was made for linux, yeah, like most FOSS
15:47 Calinou <zat> Youtube is not the world
15:47 Calinou I watch 1 youtube video per month average :p
15:47 zat Yes... I said, then how do you explain those games are also available for PS3 and Wii also?
15:47 Calinou last bunch of videos I watched were http://code.google.com/p/vd​rift-ogre/wiki/TrackEditor
15:47 zat You think that all consoles are MSs?
15:47 Calinou aka. something useful :P
15:48 VanessaE don't consoles usually run some form of opengl?
15:48 zat I imagine Windows and XBox OS might be the only ones supporting DirectX.
15:49 zat OpenGL on the other hand.... is an standard, implemented everywhere else.
15:49 Mallot1 LOOK OPENGL IS BOSS HOSS B)
15:49 Mallot1 yea what Mallot1 said /me flexes muscles
15:49 * Mallot1 flexes muscles
15:50 rotcaer an hero
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15:50 zat A guy asked me once... Windows is more compatible with software (lol).
15:50 zat I said... in my OS I can run Windows software too, can you run linux software?
15:50 zat He angued me nonstop for the rest of the day that he was running linux software, by downloading an exe of firefox, which is linux software he said.
15:50 * rotcaer sprays some neurotoxin on Mallot1, making his muscles flex indepedently
15:51 rotcaer s/deped/depend/
15:51 Mallot1 :D!
15:51 rotcaer zat: :D
15:51 Mallot1 yea
15:51 Mallot1 zat who is this guy
15:51 zat which
15:51 rotcaer zat: typical Windows user's  butthurt
15:51 rotcaer Mallot1: you.
15:52 rotcaer Probably.
15:52 Mallot1 nope B)
15:52 rotcaer No point in denying eh.
15:52 Mallot1 proably supposed to be though
15:52 rotcaer The more you deny the more we'll be sure it was you.
15:52 zat eh well
15:52 Jordach the problem is that IT courses in schools are crap
15:52 Jordach they teach nothing computing related
15:52 Jordach its xyz in ms office
15:53 Jordach job done
15:53 zat rotcaer: I have learned so much of the arguments of Wintendo LUsers though the years...
15:53 Jordach and that's when user lock starts
15:53 Mallot1 i didnt talk about firefox never said windows was more compatia
15:53 zat I haven’t read/heard a new one in the last four years.
15:53 Mallot1 lol wintendo
15:53 zat (only useful for playing games, thats it)
15:53 rotcaer zat: personally, I can't provide good arguments when people ask me to explain why I use BSD.
15:54 Mallot1 me neither rotcaer when they ask about windows
15:54 zat rotcaer: it does the job for you much more easily that anything else, what better argument?
15:54 rotcaer zat: that is the best one
15:55 zat Everytime I have to use a Windows box I feel like trying to drive a talk, using pedals.
15:55 zat tank!!!!!!********
15:55 rotcaer zat: but wait... windows users do use that argument often
15:55 zat driving a tank*
15:55 rotcaer but eh
15:55 Mallot1 tanks rock!
15:55 rotcaer windows works, but does not work well
15:55 Jordach if it works why complain
15:55 zat The difference rotcaer, is that those users do not know other OSes.
15:55 Jordach why fix something that is broken
15:55 rotcaer Mallot1: ...not when driven by your legs
15:55 rotcaer zat: true
15:55 zat Your argument comes from someone who knows many, generally.
15:55 Mallot1 ive never driven
15:55 Mallot1 lol
15:56 rotcaer zat: when one says they know a lot, it's viewed as vanity
15:56 Mallot1 yes
15:56 Mallot1 im out see ya
15:56 rotcaer mkay, see you
15:56 zat Having deployed dozens of networks, worked with servers serving all kind of contents, setting up entire offices with workstations, all with different OSes... I have learned one thing: Windows is only really useful to play games.
15:57 rotcaer It is.
15:57 zat Not because it is better for games, only because games makers make them available there.
15:57 rotcaer My last and the most painful experience with it was setting it up on about 20 decrepit computers back at school.
15:58 rotcaer It was then when I realised something is not quite right with that OS.
15:58 zat I once tried to copy the whole hard-disk to replicate the OS in other computers.
15:58 rotcaer That won't work.
15:58 zat For some reason if the hardware was not the same which the system was installed on, it would fail.
15:59 rotcaer Windows generates something procedurally during install.
15:59 zat It is like the installed OS was fingerprinted with the hardware all inside.
15:59 rotcaer something to do with hardware.
15:59 zat ...if you know what I mean
15:59 zat On the other hand... I have set up 50 OSes with fedora or ubuntu just using rsync.
15:59 zat quickly, painlessly.
16:00 rotcaer drivers
16:00 rotcaer something about hardware abstraction
16:00 rotcaer it fails, because it generates it during install
16:00 rotcaer and yes
16:00 zat well, a really wrongly done abstraction if it won’t provide PORTABILITY.
16:00 Mallot1 at my school, there is a whole lab full of unofficial windows 7 PCS
16:00 rotcaer yes, zat
16:01 rotcaer Mallot1: you still there?
16:01 Mallot1 i just keep getting pulled back
16:01 Mallot1 i cant help it
16:01 rotcaer Recalling school, I have to say it was useless experience altogether.
16:01 NakedFury I have to use windows because all the programs I use for school only come for it.
16:02 rotcaer It removes ability to think independently, and it stuffs pupils' heads full of ages old shit that is not applicable later in academic life.
16:03 zat rotcaer: well, math is useful.
16:03 zat language and science too
16:03 rotcaer zat: why, you study them again at uni, from scratch
16:04 rotcaer zat: and school only messes it all up, because school teachers don't really understand anything
16:04 zat that teachers are not the best is another issue...
16:04 zat but learning stuff from kid is good
16:04 rotcaer it is, when you read proper books
16:05 zat re-learning at university can also be good... you harden your bases
16:05 rotcaer Sadly, I can't say that about my school life: their textbooks were awful.
16:05 zat I mean, strengthen your base knowledge.
16:05 rotcaer And re-learning is not learning from clean slate.
16:05 rotcaer re-learning doesn't completely fix what is broken earlier
16:06 rotcaer it takes a lot of work to fix the brain filled with crap
16:06 rotcaer s/the/a/
16:06 zat that sounds more like an opinion than a fact
16:06 zat like, there is no use, your knowledge is broken already.
16:06 rotcaer well, any psychologist can tell you that
16:07 rotcaer while one can forget something, there still will be residue
16:07 zat you sound like... learn something the wrong way once and you are condemned.
16:07 rotcaer and it's easier to learn the right thing than have to unlearn the previously learned incorrect habit
16:07 rotcaer not condemned
16:08 rotcaer I just say it's harder to do that way
16:08 zat depends on the person
16:08 rotcaer so why bother stuffing people's brains with crap just to have to take it out with a shovel later?
16:08 zat I normally prefer learning things in any order, practicing, then I arrange then by learning the theory.
16:09 zat them*
16:09 rotcaer Idk, I usually do the opposite. Read the manuals, then practice.
16:09 zat thats it, we all learn differently
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16:09 zat that is the issue with schools, they try to teach all the same way
16:10 zat and if you do not, they consider you a kid with a learning problem
16:10 rotcaer But it's generally harder to correct already learned wrong habits than to learn the right ones.
16:10 rotcaer Exactly.
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16:10 zat rotcaer: again it depends, for me it is easier
16:10 zat once I have all the points in my head, I can see them all and link them together
16:11 zat ...sounds like what Jobs once said.
16:11 rotcaer ?
16:12 zat the thing of linking the points or something like that.
16:12 zat nevermind
16:12 zat u devel rotcaer?
16:12 rotcaer Not exactly.
16:12 zat HEY!! WHO DEVEL HERE!!!!
16:12 rotcaer I'm currently learning UNIX programming.
16:13 zat I need to know on top of what commit should I introduce a change to the source code of Minetest.
16:13 rotcaer Let me guess, the latest one?
16:13 zat yes I did that yesterday, then deaceleron55 complained.
16:15 zat “celeron55: zat: you managed to get something terribly wrong in this”
16:15 zat “celeron55: most of your changes are in a "Translated using Weblate (Spanish)" commit”
16:15 zat ...which was the last one.
16:17 rotcaer is celeron55 a dev?
16:17 zat yes
16:18 PilzAdam zat, dont ammend to commits, just create a new one
16:18 PilzAdam -m
16:19 zat got it
16:19 zat I accidentally amended a commit
16:19 zat Then I created a newer commit containing the same.
16:20 zat however... would someone like to try the changes?
16:20 zat I still wait for someone to test it.
16:21 rotcaer zat: what are you working on?
16:21 zat SQLite based rollback,
16:21 zat (it has worked wonderfully for me so far)
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16:22 rotcaer by the way, can rollback slow down servers?
16:23 rotcaer zat: oh. By the way. Is sqlite compatible with postgresql
16:23 rotcaer ?
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16:23 rotcaer I would like to centralise databases on my system.
16:23 zat sqlite compatible, how so.
16:23 zat both use SQL
16:24 rotcaer mk
16:24 zat and yes rollback can slow-down servers, rollback would *always* hang mine.
16:24 rotcaer Well, I still need to recall what I learned about SQL.
16:24 rotcaer We only touched that topic slightly.
16:25 zat lol
16:26 rotcaer So, it's possible to keep maps on a centralised db server?
16:26 zat it is possible to write a backend for map operations.
16:27 zat So if you write a PostgreSQL one, it can.
16:27 rotcaer good
16:27 rotcaer I guess I could do that when I get to learning SQL.
16:28 rotcaer seems like a good vacation project
16:30 zat oh yes
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16:33 Evergreen Hello everybody!
16:35 Jordach hey Evergreen
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16:45 Evergreen Hi us_0gb
16:46 us_0gb Hello Evergreen!
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17:01 pitriss please how many items, nodes etc can be registered? is there any limit?
17:03 rotcaer Is there a way to increase firearms' distance?
17:04 us_0gb pitriss, to the best of my knowledge, the only limit is on nodes, not other items.
17:04 us_0gb 4093 nodes.
17:04 us_0gb Plus the three C++ nodes.
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17:06 pitriss us_0gb: ok, thanks.. so, apples etc aren't counted as nodes if i understand this correctly..
17:07 us_0gb Apples are nodes, so they count.
17:07 us_0gb But sticks are not nodes, so they do not count.
17:08 nore three C++ nodes... which one is the third?
17:08 us_0gb Which is the first two? THe three are air, ignore, and unknown.
17:09 nore is unknown a node? I though it were the nodes above the max node limit (so with content_id above 4096)
17:09 pitriss us_0gb: ahh.. to be sure.. things that can be placed somewhere are nodes, items are things that can't be placed.. (sorry i'm just learning how to create mods)
17:10 us_0gb nore, according to the source code, unknown is a node. However, last I tried, I couldn't place them.
17:11 us_0gb pitriss, no worries. Yes, as a general rule, placeable things are nodes, non-placeable things are not nodes.
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17:14 pitriss us_0gb: thanks a lot.
17:14 us_0gb Yeah, any time!
17:18 us_0gb nore, it seems unknowns cannot be placed by hand, but can be placed by the map generator (minetest.register_alias("​mapgen_stone","unknown")). However, unknowns cannot be dug.
17:18 us_0gb The client digs them, but the server does not accept the digging, and resets it.
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17:26 ModMasta I have a dedicated server running cent os6 64 bit is there a nogui build already made that i can run on it
17:30 Jordach ModMasta, minetest servers do not have a gui
17:30 Jordach and no, you usually have to compile it for yourself
17:31 ModMasta well dont wanna compile lol my pc windows and to busy working on my stuff just thought mabe i could put one up
17:32 Jordach you must compile on cent os
17:32 Jordach we do not work like minecraft_server.jar
17:32 rotcaer yeah
17:32 ModMasta i realize that lol
17:32 rotcaer "only compiled languages, only hardcore"
17:32 Jordach builds for other operating systems will not work on cent os
17:33 Jordach it has to be built on cent os to run on cent os
17:33 ModMasta my dedicated just got to much going on not even gonna try to compile on it
17:33 Jordach then you can't start a server instance, sorry.
17:34 ModMasta woulda been nice unlimited ban witdth
17:34 us_0gb If it has too much going on to compile, it probably has too much going on to run a server.
17:35 ModMasta lmao i got player im not goint to take a chance of interupting their game with a error
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17:35 Jordach errors only happen if a mod (default or added) decides to crash
17:35 Jordach or an in engine bug
17:35 Jordach and the server can be restarted in less than 5 seconds
17:36 ModMasta well like i say to many players on not going to mess with their day
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17:37 ModMasta mabe this week i can grab a another hard drive and run os6 on my pc and then complie
17:38 rotcaer os6?
17:38 ModMasta CENT OS6
17:38 ModMasta linux
17:39 rotcaer Cent OS is not the only OS in the world.
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17:39 ModMasta simalar to red hat
17:39 ModMasta well it the os on my dedicated
17:39 rotcaer What do you mean dedicated?
17:39 rotcaer You run a machine 24/7?
17:39 ModMasta dedicated server
17:40 ModMasta yes
17:40 rotcaer Why not try something better for that kind of computer?
17:40 ModMasta like ?
17:40 rotcaer I would suggest BSD for 24/7 applications.
17:40 ModMasta this is a real server
17:40 Jordach don't you start a kernel war rotcaer
17:40 rotcaer Less energy footprint, more stable.
17:40 ModMasta ti got what i got if it works dont break it
17:41 rotcaer Jordach: note it's not exactly my intention to start kernel wars.
17:41 rotcaer Most linux distros come with programs that have high overhead.
17:41 us_0gb That's why you get the server edition.
17:41 ModMasta no matter its what i have
17:42 ModMasta this is a server edition lmao
17:42 us_0gb Exactly. No need to switch to BSD.
17:42 ModMasta runing parraells on top of that
17:42 rotcaer Well, it's not me who's paying your energy bill.
17:43 ModMasta i have no ddoas worries very good security ect no need to change
17:43 rotcaer Also, good luck maintaining it (the OS) on the long run.
17:43 Jordach nobody ddos' other minetest servers
17:43 Yepoleb i like debian for everything
17:43 ModMasta been running 2 years not one problem
17:44 rotcaer Biebian
17:45 us_0gb rotcaer, BSD and GNU/Linux are both known for being easy to maintain in the long run.
17:45 ModMasta cent os6 is way more efficient then windos server lol
17:45 us_0gb You may have a point on energy, but not that.
17:45 rotcaer us_0gb: I've tried GNU before.
17:45 rotcaer Messy.
17:45 rotcaer ModMasta: true that.
17:45 rotcaer Also.
17:45 us_0gb ModMasta, everything is more efficient than Windows.
17:46 rotcaer Compiling stuff under BSD is easier.
17:46 us_0gb I have heard that.
17:46 rotcaer At least in my experience.
17:46 rotcaer You would not have to worry if you had to compile MT there.
17:46 us_0gb Compiling on GNU isn't hard, but I have heard it's easier on BSD.
17:46 Yepoleb Windows server is awesome, because you don't have to remember passwords
17:46 rotcaer Personally, I couldn't get anything to build there.
17:47 rotcaer Yepoleb: and if you like BDSM.
17:47 us_0gb Yepoleb, not having to use a password is a HUGE security issue.
17:47 ModMasta i had room just thoaught id try running one but im in the middle of writing my open server client game (unrelated) and all the users on my server now so...
17:47 rotcaer Yepoleb: enjoy your anal fisting.
17:48 Yepoleb i don't have my own windows server
17:48 rotcaer Oh.
17:49 rotcaer Good.
17:49 Yepoleb but everyone i use is very slow and buggy
17:49 rotcaer Not having to remember passwords... I get it. Why bother if it would be broken in anyway.
17:49 rotcaer Yepoleb: you use people?
17:49 rotcaer And they're slow and buggy?
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17:50 Yepoleb i use windows servers
17:50 rotcaer < Yepoleb> but everyone i use
17:50 us_0gb Ha ha!
17:50 rotcaer But that looks Freudian.
17:51 rotcaer Windows _is_ buggy.
17:51 Yepoleb don't complain about my english please
17:51 rotcaer I don't remember a single time I used a Windows machine without it failing on me.
17:51 Yepoleb i know it's bad
17:52 us_0gb rotcaer, I had a Windows machine for a couple weeks one time because I was desperate. It crashed two to three times a day. I lost a lot of school work.
17:53 us_0gb It turns out the unknowns are registered in C++ as nodes but in Lua as craft items. By switching it in Lua to a node, it becomes both placable and digable.
17:53 rotcaer Desperate, as in?
17:53 Yepoleb it's 99% reliable if you want nothing to work
17:53 rotcaer Had no own machine? Had no OS on your own machine?
17:53 us_0gb As in my computer wasn't powerful enough to do my schoolwork, so I had to borrow one.
17:54 rotcaer Oh.
17:54 rotcaer What was your schoolworl?
17:54 rotcaer s/rl/rk/
17:54 us_0gb THat particular homework was Flash seminars. My ancient computer couldn't take something as simple as that.
17:55 us_0gb It was way outdated.
17:55 rotcaer What OS?
17:55 us_0gb It was an OS X machine. Don't judge me, it was the only computer I could get for $20 USD.
17:56 rotcaer I rest my case.
17:56 us_0gb The machine sucked, I know it.
17:56 rotcaer Well, I heard one can install a proper OS on these.
17:56 us_0gb I tried that a few times. I never got it to work.
17:57 us_0gb My other OS X machine took GNU/Linux with little difficulty, but that machine isn't in a situation to be used as a client.
18:00 rotcaer mk
18:00 rotcaer ModMasta got butthurt.
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18:41 Evergreen Out of curiosity, how would I make a python have a launcher with an image icon attached to it?  Also, how would I make a .deb package for a python package for it?
18:41 Evergreen *How would I make a .deb package for a python program
18:42 us_0gb I don't know how to package software, but I can help with the icon. Open a text editor.
18:42 us_0gb Drag an icon from another application to the text editor.
18:42 us_0gb Make the changes you need, then save as.
18:43 Evergreen Thanks!
18:44 us_0gb Any time.
18:51 pitriss Evergreen: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ about packaging deb
18:52 pitriss it is bit complex but not so hard..:)
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18:55 Evergreen Thanks
18:55 Evergreen Gotta go, by
18:57 rotcaer I wonder when people will start learning to type.
18:57 rotcaer It's sickening to realise most type with two fingers.
18:58 rotcaer F. Now... where's the U? Oh my god! I've missed it! Where's the backspace? Now, where's the U again? [10 minutes later] Oh, finally, I've found the C.
19:10 zat I wish also all were as smart as me ;)
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19:11 us_0gb I could use some more brain power.
19:11 JackGruff hi guys, is minetest able to render the inside of a block using transparent textures?
19:12 JackGruff or should i say the inside surfaces of a block
19:12 us_0gb No, it cannot.
19:12 rotcaer Why should it?
19:12 JackGruff if you walk around a leave block, you can notice this limitation
19:13 Calinou I don't really understand
19:13 us_0gb Also glass blocks have this issue.
19:13 Calinou it's normal that the opposing face is culled
19:13 Calinou else it would look weird
19:13 Calinou Minecraft does that too by the way
19:14 JackGruff why would it look weird?
19:14 rotcaer Not only it would look weird, it would also be inefficient.
19:14 rotcaer Performance-wise.
19:14 JackGruff i admit it may look a bit busier
19:14 rotcaer No one likes slide shows.
19:14 JackGruff i dont see that as a valid argument, it could be made optional
19:15 JackGruff like, you know, mostly everything is.
19:15 rotcaer Everything is inefficient?
19:16 us_0gb It would be more efficient to not render anything. It would speed the game quite a bit.
19:17 Jordach hahahahahahahahahahahaha
19:17 Jordach +1
19:17 JackGruff no, mostly every feature of the game, graphics wise, is optionaly
19:17 JackGruff optional*
19:18 JackGruff just like you can turn off fancy trees
19:18 JackGruff anyway, i'll propose it on the forums
19:18 rotcaer you would have to draw twice the polygon count of what you have
19:18 rotcaer roughly
19:19 rotcaer one could consider only drawing it on transparent blocks
19:20 PilzAdam JackGruff, "every feature of the game, graphics wise"?
19:20 PilzAdam are you sure about that?
19:20 us_0gb I don't think the engine knows what nodes are transparent.
19:20 us_0gb I'm sure at least one graphics feature that bothers me cannot be turned off.
19:21 JackGruff A block/node could have metadata telling the engine it wants to be rendered inside as well.
19:21 rotcaer yep
19:21 rotcaer that
19:22 JackGruff You tick off an option, say "even fancier trees!", and the engine renders inside blocks that want it
19:27 VanessaE dafuq?
19:28 us_0gb Hmm?
19:30 Jordach lol
19:30 Jordach please no nickspam
19:31 us_0gb It seems unknown_node.png cannot be overridden by a plugin ...
19:32 us_0gb VanessaE, It turns out I did hit a boundary case with my ores. The scarcity may not exceed 16^3*chunksize^3.
19:32 VanessaE any solution?
19:33 us_0gb Not one that allows high scarcity, that I can find.
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19:33 VanessaE sounds like you'll have to do it the old-fashioned way
19:33 VanessaE by hooking into on_genrated.
19:33 VanessaE on_generated*
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19:35 us_0gb For now I'm using Settings to read map_meta.txt and setting the scarcity to the maximum scarcity. I'm not sure how to make it appear random with on_generated.
19:35 us_0gb I'll put the ores further out, so they won't be found so easily.
19:35 VanessaE easy, just call math.random() with some ridiculously high range (say 1,1000000).  If the value = 1, spawn one of your special ore.
19:35 us_0gb But once you get up there, they'll be everywhere.
19:36 VanessaE the range becomes a 1-in-that-much chance of the ore being spawned somewhere in the current chunk
19:36 us_0gb And do that for every node iteratively? Will that not cause high overhead?
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19:37 VanessaE well all you have to do is call it once per chunk.  If you get a match, then get three more random numbers to set the location.
19:38 us_0gb Okay, that's a great idea. Thank you!
19:39 VanessaE so something like,  minetest.register_ongenerated(blah, foo, bar);  if math.random(1,1000000) then x=math.random(0,79) y=math.random(0,79)  z=math.random(0,79)  minetest.add_node({x = minp.x+x, y = minp.y+y, z = minp.z+z}, {name = "myores:cool_ore"}) end
19:39 VanessaE make sense?
19:40 VanessaE that doesn't check for air at the proposed location, but I'm sure you know what to do after that
19:40 VanessaE imho, if you check for air before placing you special node, and air isn't present, you should try to get a new set of random coords.  Try up to 5 times, then just give up for that chunk.
19:41 us_0gb Alright, awesome. Thanks!  psudorandom might
19:41 VanessaE no prob.
19:41 us_0gb *Pseudorandom might be better to give map stability.
19:41 Jordach sudorandom is what you should be using
19:42 us_0gb Sudo? Like bash?
19:42 Jordach im joking
19:47 us_0gb So Jordach, you know Blender. Does it create .x files for Minetest? Or do I need to find a different application for that?
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20:06 Jordach us_0gb, yes
20:06 Jordach adding the addon allows that yes
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20:12 us_0gb Okay, cool. I'm going to need to make some models, and I don't even know where to begin if I have to do it in a text editor.
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20:52 PilzAdam bye
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21:03 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/ofZ3o
21:12 JackGruff is there no mod that makes all non-connected blocks fall?
21:14 pitriss please how i can detect if file exists from mod? (config for mod)
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21:33 JackGruff does mesecons randomly bug out with leaving signals/power on or is it just me?
21:34 JackGruff sometimes my lightblocks stay on
21:34 VanessaE happens to a lot of people, but it isn't mesecons
21:34 JackGruff ooh ok
21:34 VanessaE it's something to do with how mapblock updates are sent to cliens.
21:34 VanessaE clients(
21:34 VanessaE ...
21:35 Sokomine pitriss: do you want to check weather a specific file or a specific mod exists?
21:38 pitriss specific file..
21:38 pitriss Sokomine: I'm trying to do something that will setup defaults when config file is not found
21:40 Sokomine ah. so you want to check for a file. you could try to open it for reading - and if that fails, it's not there
21:41 Sokomine local file = io.open( filename, "w" ); if( file ) then ...
21:42 pitriss Sokomine: ok thanks for advice
21:44 VanessaE but wait
21:44 VanessaE local modpath = minetest.get_modpath("the_mod_you_want"); local io.open( modpath.."/"..filename, "r" ); if file then ....code... end
21:45 VanessaE you need to prepend the modpath since you wanted to find a specific file in a specific mod
21:45 john_minetest http://imgur.com/gallery/OY4Nv
21:45 VanessaE john_minetest: oy!
21:45 VanessaE that's just nuts
21:46 pitriss thanks a lot.:)
21:48 pitriss ok.. and undefined variable is nil or false? it should be nil..
21:48 VanessaE nil.
21:48 pitriss ty
21:50 VanessaE so of course you'll want to see if modpath == nil before checking the io.open() step
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22:21 Evergreen Hello
22:22 VanessaE hi
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23:22 us|0gb This is so weird .... In the stable Minetest, I cannot dig unknowns. In the unstable version, I can. Both are running the same game.
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23:36 RedBlade7 hi
23:36 RedBlade7 i just started with this game two days ago
23:36 us|0gb Welcome to the game then!
23:36 RedBlade7 i'm trying to figure out the easiest way to find out where all the stuff i built is
23:36 RedBlade7 i tried flying to the highest level but it just seems that the map never ends
23:37 RedBlade7 is there any large jpg or something taht can tell me wherei am?
23:37 us|0gb Hmm. Yeah, the map goes out pretty far.
23:37 RedBlade7 so how do poeple find out where they last were? including where they left chests after dying
23:37 us|0gb I don't know how to find where you are without landmarks, but someone else here might be able to help.
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23:38 RedBlade7 i put stuff down as a "landmark" but still cant find them
23:39 RedBlade7 are any of the other included maps smaller?
23:39 RedBlade7 i had "v6" it was called i think
23:39 us|0gb Have you turned off the game since you lost your way? If not, you could hit the "r" key to see the general areas where you've been.
23:39 us|0gb All the maps go out a huge distance.
23:39 RedBlade7 oh ok
23:40 RedBlade7 flying with 'r' on seems to preload
23:40 us|0gb I forget how far, but further than +-30000.
23:41 us|0gb HUGE maps. Unless you TRY to reach the edge, you never will.
23:41 us|0gb Pressing "r" makes the game show you all loaded blocks.
23:41 us|0gb Loaded by the client.
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23:41 us|0gb So if your game is still running, that's everywhere you've been.
23:41 RedBlade7 oh
23:42 RedBlade7 i was trying to reach the edge
23:42 us|0gb It takes several hours to reach the edge.
23:42 RedBlade7 lol
23:42 RedBlade7 i just killed myself
23:42 RedBlade7 and try pressing 'r'
23:43 RedBlade7 but it just shows some more than others
23:43 us|0gb Sorry, I don't know what else would help you find your stuff.
23:43 RedBlade7 ok
23:44 RedBlade7 but turning "r" on and off just shows and dims parts of the map
23:44 RedBlade7 is that what it's supposed to do?
23:44 us|0gb THat's what it does. But it only shows places you've been since logging in.
23:45 RedBlade7 ok
23:47 us|0gb If you hit F5, you can see your current coordinates. Next time, you could write those down to find your way back later.
23:47 RedBlade7 ok
23:48 zat free GPS!
23:48 zat PPS actually... planar positioning system~
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23:59 zat Maybe now it works: Someone has a world with a big rollback.txt to try the SQLite implementation?

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