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00:03 jojoa1997 guess what
00:03 jojoa1997 minetest now has stained glass
00:04 jojoa1997 i will leave my sense of copying minetest mods out there
00:04 jojoa1997 or maybe everyone wants the same thing
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00:18 jojoa1997 would you suggest using paragenv7 and mg together?
00:20 zat Has anybody noticed that trying to rollback immediately after the server has started will crash it?
00:20 zat Though I am not sure if it is only for me, since I have altered the rollback code much. :S
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02:10 * VanessaE wanders off to bed.
02:10 VanessaE night
02:11 zat noche
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02:37 zat ping Sokomine
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03:10 zsoltisawesome Why has nobody said anything?
03:10 us`0gb No one is on this channel. It is empty.
03:12 us`0gb Okay, I was wrong. I have the .iso, I'm just not used to having .iso files not have a CD-like icon, so I missed it.
03:13 zsoltisawesome WAT?
03:32 NakedFury I have poweriso for such occasions
03:33 NakedFury I used to download games like crazy and iso is the preffered pirate method for them
03:33 zsoltisawesome Yes
03:33 zsoltisawesome I really hate that too
03:33 Menche i usually write ISOs to a usb stick with dd
03:34 zsoltisawesome How the heck do you use dd
03:34 Menche dd if=source of=destination
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03:34 NakedFury I feel left out. what is dd?
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03:35 zsoltisawesome Linux console command
03:35 Menche a utility for writing raw data
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03:35 NakedFury ohh
03:35 NakedFury linux stuff
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03:35 zsoltisawesome You say that like Linux is utterly confusing
03:35 zsoltisawesome Which it is :D
03:36 NakedFury it is when you dont use it
03:36 Menche no it isn't :(
03:36 us`0gb Oh, what? I posted that in the wrong channel. SORRY!
03:36 us`0gb I meant to post that in #trisquel .
03:38 zsoltisawesome Oh XD
03:39 zsoltisawesome Umm, why do only smart people use Linux?
03:39 us`0gb If you want something confusing though, pick up a copy of Microsoft WIndows.
03:39 us`0gb Smart people use BSD.
03:40 us`0gb I'm just a normal guy.
03:40 zsoltisawesome Correction: Smart People Use Pure Unix
03:41 zsoltisawesome :D
03:43 zsoltisawesome And insane people use JOS
03:43 Menche what is that?
03:44 zsoltisawesome Java Operating System
03:44 Menche that's a thing?
03:44 Menche lol
03:44 zsoltisawesome Yep
03:44 zsoltisawesome Ikr
03:46 zsoltisawesome I also found a Windows 3.1 virtual simulator on the web: http://www.michealv.org
03:47 zsoltisawesome *facepalm*
03:47 zsoltisawesome I spelled it wrong
03:48 zsoltisawesome Minetest must be hating me right now
03:49 zsoltisawesome I told it to infinitely set my hearts to full if the boolean setting DontDie was set to true
03:51 Menche isn't there a way to make it completely ignore damage/health?
03:51 zsoltisawesome Yes but this was simpler to set as a Boolean setting in minetest.conf
03:56 zsoltisawesome Hey! Is anyone here a good pixel artist?
03:57 zsoltisawesome Like 80x80?
03:57 zsoltisawesome Or higher
03:59 zsoltisawesome I wanna make a Minetest themed Street Fighter style game
04:03 zsoltisawesome XD I imagined a minetest character throwing a block at a person
04:12 zsoltisawesome (=´∀`)人(´∀`=)
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08:48 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Egg Day! :-D
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10:29 proller Taoki, !
10:30 Taoki hi
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10:37 proller Taoki, can you test and write micro review abound sand/gravel in -next
10:44 Evergreen I have an idea for a map, turn a large section of the flolands into a worldedit schematic, and copy it into a singlenode generation world.
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10:53 reacktor o/
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11:05 Taoki proller: What's new in sand and gravel in Next?
11:05 proller try build something from the\
11:06 Taoki Ah... they're falling nodes?
11:06 proller flowing
11:06 proller and falling too
11:07 Taoki Flowing? How can gravel flow?
11:08 Taoki That sounds interesting, will test :)
11:08 Taoki Any news on weather too?
11:08 proller yes, better to try
11:08 proller now i have no time
11:08 Taoki Great stuff
11:19 Taoki proller: I see n updates on your weather branch. Is it an amended commit... how do you pull those?
11:19 Taoki I tried "git pull -f" to be safe
11:20 proller now no updates
11:20 Taoki Ahh, ok
11:22 Taoki Haha... yes I can see how gravel blocks slip. Nice idea!
11:23 Taoki Might be a bit laggy and slow to update, but works fine
11:24 Taoki Actually, I wonder... I wonder: What if gravel and sand could partly be turned into liquid nodes, so that they spill and flow? After all, sand flows like water in a sense
11:24 Taoki Only that they'd need to be solid too, so you don't sink into them but walk on them
11:26 proller you can change leveled=1 to leveled=4 and it will split
11:27 Taoki Awesome :D
11:27 Taoki That's amazig
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11:29 Taoki Ahhhhh... rain generates water on the ground too in weather mod. I love you proller :D
11:29 Taoki Although... does that water ever evaporate or sink into the ground?
11:29 twoelk for a moment there I had this picture of me sinking in quicksand: "throw a rope!"
11:31 proller Taoki, evaporate
11:31 Taoki Awesome
11:31 Taoki Weather needs to be in quickly :D
11:37 Taoki The wat rain floods the map is a little weird however
11:37 Taoki **way
11:38 sfan5 hi everyone
11:43 proller Taoki, i think current rain water drop must be maximal and on 100%, at 65 must be much less water
11:43 proller like maximum average flooding 0.5 node per game day
11:44 Taoki proller: Ah, I just noticed I'm in a 97% humidity area. Still, the valley is turning into a whole lake :P
11:50 Taoki proller: I asked the Lua team, and someone made a formula to generate a circle using radius and number of points. Will help for your weather system
11:50 Taoki http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VBEKMgTg
11:50 Taoki You can test and tweak it here easily, if needed: http://www.lua.org/cgi-bin/demo
11:51 Taoki So use that formula to get the spawners around the player, and make the two parameters settings at the beginning of the script file. Should work nicely
11:51 Taoki BRB
11:52 proller for start simplest is x,y;x-1,y;x+1,y;x-1,y-1, ... -> 9 points
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11:57 GNADev|zRokh hi
11:57 GNADev|zRokh JesseH!
11:57 GNADev|zRokh :D
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12:16 VanessaE hi
12:22 Taoki proller: Yeah, but that makes the circle customizable easily
12:27 Taoki I tested it in the demo and indeed it works. So just use the 2D coordinates, add the third where the spawners should be, and it should work fine.
12:27 Taoki *height at which spawners should be
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12:30 Taoki Weather mod rocks so far in what regards node management. Rain stopped; The puddles littering the landscape are slowly vanishing. But holes that water built up in remain, and became full water sources
12:30 Taoki Very nice work again :)
12:31 Taoki Still, I think water should only appear in holes, not over flat land
12:31 VanessaE or it should use a 2d nodebox for the "just wet" level and never go beyond that level except in holes etc.
12:32 VanessaE (where "just wet level" could be a separate node)
12:33 VanessaE use texture alpha and a variant of the standing water texture that's only about 50% visible
12:33 VanessaE or perhaps less, 25 to 33%... that way the ground really does look wet
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12:37 twoelk splish splash - where is the rubber boots mod?
12:37 VanessaE lol
12:43 twoelk actually I can hardly wait for the sounds this feature deserves
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12:46 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
12:46 VanessaE hi
12:48 Taoki hi
12:48 Taoki proller: What decides when water turns into snow or when it turns into ice?
12:48 Taoki What's the difference (and different needed factors) between the two
12:48 proller heat
12:49 proller in -next it adjustable
12:49 proller you can make melting stone
12:49 VanessaE proller: any news on synching the humidity and temperature to match what plants_lib uses?
12:49 Taoki Ah... so the temperature is the factor
12:50 proller default:ice : groups = {melt=3},
12:50 proller VanessaE, no, its hmmmm area
12:50 * VanessaE pokes hmmmm
12:51 proller default:water_source":  freeze=-1
12:53 Taoki What about evaporating water? I mean, if a lake is located at say 40*C, will the lake start to disappear?
12:54 proller now only _flowing  evaporating
12:54 Taoki ok
12:55 Taoki This will be a bit tricky. Since the smaller a water pool is, the faster it should evaporate based on temperature
12:55 Taoki So a small node of flowing fluid should easily vanish at even 15C. But from 40C, even lakes could start disappearing
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12:57 Taoki Also, Ice and Snow don't seem to disappear when placed in an area of 35C
12:57 proller count lake size will eat 101% cpu
12:57 proller they must melt
12:57 Taoki proller: Yeah, it would have to be done per individual water source
12:57 proller wait
12:57 Taoki ok
13:01 Taoki Yeah, only some melt
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13:18 Taoki proller: Looking a bit through the source of weather mod. What's keeping you from making chance depend on amount of rain, and you have a TODO about that instead? Isn't it possible to just use ", chance = get_rain(pos)"?
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13:36 john_minetest Hello everypony (again)
13:36 VanessaE hi
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13:44 proller Taoki, have no time
13:45 Taoki ok, will note it for later then
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13:55 john_minetest Minetest should show if a server is online or offline in the private server list
13:57 Taoki True that
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14:05 apollo hi everyone
14:06 apollo i haven't donwload this game,so i love
14:06 VanessaE hi
14:06 apollo downloaded+
14:06 apollo i want to know if this game is done in java like minecraft
14:06 VanessaE no it isn't.
14:07 VanessaE the engine is written in C++ and C, and the game content is written in Lua
14:07 apollo lua¿?
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14:07 VanessaE Lua is a scripting language
14:07 VanessaE it's what handles most of the logic - how nodes are registered, whether a door opens when you right click it, that sort o thing.
14:07 VanessaE of*
14:08 VanessaE anything that needs a lot of CPU power is usually done in C++
14:08 apollo ok so this game is not a real copy of minecraft...it's made since 0
14:08 VanessaE definitely not a copy
14:09 VanessaE it's a similar game though
14:09 apollo wow
14:09 VanessaE easily more fun, and infinitely more moddable
14:09 apollo yeah i'm agree with u!
14:11 apollo Many "youtubers"think that this is a chinese copy of minecraft and i think this is for gnu/linux so this neither can be disassembled,no¿?
14:12 apollo this gamar or neither*
14:12 VanessaE it's Open Source
14:12 VanessaE and runs in Windows, Linux, and I think OS-X.
14:12 VanessaE the server half can also run on Android or Rasberry Pi, I've heard.
14:13 VanessaE it is written by a number of people around the world - started by celeron55 out of Finland.
14:13 apollo wow i like the open source i think that this "youtubers" are idiot and they don't know nothing!!!
14:13 VanessaE source code:  https://github.com/minetest/minetest/
14:13 apollo wow
14:14 VanessaE game content:  https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game
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14:16 harrison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTs3knPoajk
14:16 apollo i love it! i'm going to donwload right now!
14:16 VanessaE have fun :)
14:16 apollo i was talking about the spanish youtubers,!!!!
14:16 apollo this people...
14:17 apollo VanessaE: thanks for help me!
14:18 VanessaE you're welcome
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14:21 apollo i love the open source,i use gnu/linux and  i'm learning java but what i do with this to cooperate with the community ¿?
14:22 VanessaE well it depends on what you want to do
14:22 apollo i can do*
14:22 VanessaE if you want to contribute to the engine, you'll need to learn C++
14:22 VanessaE if you want to contribute to the game content, you'll need to learn Lua and the Minetest modding API ( https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt ).
14:23 apollo puff it's difficult?
14:23 VanessaE You'll need Lua and the modding API if you want to just write a mod for the game
14:23 VanessaE Lua and modding is easy
14:23 VanessaE C++ is harder but it depends on your skills
14:23 PilzAdam Java!
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14:25 VanessaE for engine work, you might do well to learn some SQL (well, sqlite) and how the map format works
14:25 VanessaE the rest is just kinda...dive in, fiddle with it a while, and see what you can do
14:26 apollo i know some of SQL
14:28 apollo ok this year i will enter to tthe university so i will learn c or c++ (maybe i don't know) si but now i will learn lua
14:28 VanessaE sounds good
14:28 VanessaE learn Lua and the modding API and make some small mod
14:28 apollo ok
14:28 VanessaE start by adding some random node to the world, then make it do something when you punch it
14:28 VanessaE then just...go from there
14:29 apollo ok i see
14:31 apollo well first i'm going to play the game and then i will search more info and courses about lua an the api to do some mods,thanks for all!!!
14:31 apollo i going to download right now!!!
14:31 apollo bye
14:31 VanessaE bye
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15:17 thexyz you don't need sql
15:18 zat ¿
15:18 VanessaE well I guess not since the backend abstraction thing.
15:19 VanessaE forgot about that.
15:19 zat Did I miss something? I am almost done with my SQLite rollback implementation.
15:19 VanessaE he's talking about someone else, zat
15:20 zat ah good
15:20 VanessaE who was asking some general questions about learning MT and contributing to it
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15:23 zat My implementation is working very good so far
15:23 zat I found the bottleneck was actually when loading the file
15:24 zat ...the whole file is loaded into memory it seems.
15:24 VanessaE you should get your hands on a big rollback.txt and run through it as if it were some live users.  See how your sql implementation compares, file-size-wise
15:24 zat unnoticeable when it is a couple dozens mbs
15:24 zat well, my rollback.txt in my public server is 1.6gbs
15:25 VanessaE you know, for every place action in the rollback, for example, execute that action in a suitable sandbox and let your sql implementation capture the event in its normal fashion
15:25 zat now I am adapting my implementation so at startup it migrates the whole file to the sqlite table.
15:25 VanessaE oh, good idea
15:25 VanessaE that's essentially what I was suggesting anyway
15:25 zat so you also suggested it before?
15:26 VanessaE no, only justnow
15:26 zat ah good
15:26 zat well, but this change will make, I am afraid, the switch only one way.
15:26 zat I did not want to let both methods coexists mainly for the code is a real mess
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15:29 VanessaE that's okay, I see no reason, personally, to keep the old .txt method if the sqlite method is superior, assuming you can guarantee that sqlite will always be available (in light of the alternate database backends option)
15:31 zat that is precisely my uncertainty... I think I will need someone to tell me if it is good enough
15:38 ShadowNinja zat: SQLite should always be available, especially is there are more uses for it than for a map. Or at least support for it won't be droped without a bug version bump. (1.0.0 or so)
15:39 ShadowNinja if * big*
15:39 zat that clears it then
15:40 VanessaE works for me.
15:45 thexyz what's this sqlite rollback?
15:51 VanessaE thexyz: storing the rollback data in the form of a database, sorted by username, instead of a flat text file.
15:51 ShadowNinja thexyz: It is the rollback fix on the TODO AFAIK. SQLite should hold this kind of data well, I once wrote a Lua implementation of rollback with luasql.sqlite, but I needed to set nodes, param1, param2, and meta in unloaded chanks.
15:51 VanessaE faster to search, faster to write
15:52 VanessaE perhaps also resulting in a smaller file for the same number of rollback-able actions
15:54 zat If it knows how to optimize its store like Postgres does, then it would be much better.
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16:02 thexyz so it'll only work with sqlite backend?
16:05 ShadowNinja thexyz: No, it uses a seperate SQLite database.
16:05 ShadowNinja (At least I think so)
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16:18 Jordach Calinou, [17:18:05] <CaptainKiwi> :>
16:18 Jordach it is spreading :>
16:36 zat Yes it has a separate SQLite database, thexyz, ShadowNinja.
16:36 zat I am testing now... my build is writing data to both rollback.txt and rollback.sqlite.
16:37 zat the sqlite file tends to be 10k bigger than the txt file before reaching around the 600k.
16:38 zat after that, the sqlite file seems to optimize and be smaller, compared to the txt, as it grows.
16:39 thexyz this is cool then
16:41 twoelk would the rollback db allow access while the game is running?
16:41 twoelk from outside the game
16:42 zat twoelk: I dont see why not... never tried it though
16:42 zat for read only, maybe it should work
16:42 zat sqlite: 3.0mb, txt:3.2mb
16:43 twoelk the mapping thingie seems to need the world database to be closed for example
16:44 thexyz http://www.sqlite.org/faq.html#q5
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16:50 twoelk so I could query the rollback database to feed some life usage statistics (like nodes mined per hour)
16:50 twoelk and not bother/endanger the world file
16:51 PilzAdam you can do that in mods too
16:51 twoelk this sounds safer
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16:52 twoelk and should not bother the main process with more work
16:52 PilzAdam with the rollback method you get all the liquid updates too
16:54 twoelk interesting
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17:00 zat are param1 and param2 always int?
17:00 us`0gb I believe so.
17:00 us`0gb I think an eight bit int.
17:00 PilzAdam https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L298
17:01 PilzAdam "param1 and param2 are 8 bit integers."
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17:23 john_minetest there are a few bugs that are stone old.
17:24 us`0gb I tried to fix one of them yesterday and failed.
17:25 us`0gb I imagine other people are trying as well, but it will take time.
17:28 john_minetest there are bugs that are so old that they are features by now
17:28 us`0gb Like what?
17:28 john_minetest like the shift-jump stairclimbing
17:29 john_minetest or shift+slab=no fall damage
17:29 us`0gb THere's also features that are so lame that they are bugs.
17:29 john_minetest yeah
17:29 us`0gb Ah, those. I do like the slab bug.
17:29 john_minetest and if you swim down against a block you get air
17:29 john_minetest from down
17:30 us`0gb THough with the new API, we don't even need the slab bug. We can make nodes that block fall damage without holding shift.
17:31 john_minetest that would be cool
17:32 us`0gb SOmeone did it already, though I don't know what plugin it is. An I plan to do it again.
17:32 john_minetest imo the bugs and existing features should be fixed before doing much more stuff
17:32 john_minetest Like carts are very buggy and animals are, too.
17:32 us`0gb It depends on how bad the bug is. For example, the slab bug isn't hurting anyone.
17:33 PilzAdam it does hurt game creators that want to create non-easy games
17:33 us`0gb Carts and animals aren't yet supported, that's third-party work.
17:33 us`0gb PilzAdam, fair enough.
17:34 us`0gb Do non-easy games have a use for slabs?
17:34 PilzAdam well, I can just speak for pilztest, and this has no non-cubic blocks
17:34 us`0gb Slabs tend to be for decoration, which isn't needed in hard mode.
17:34 PilzAdam but the shift-elevator thing is annoying me
17:34 PilzAdam Id like to have a function to disable sneaking
17:34 us`0gb Yeah, I can see that.
17:35 john_minetest the shift elevator is important imo
17:35 PilzAdam i.e. holding shift just makes you walk, it shouldnt affect the your collissionbox
17:35 PilzAdam john_minetest, for minetest_game maybe, not for other games
17:35 john_minetest it is used on many servers and it is useful for climbing up walls very fast
17:36 us`0gb The sneak ladders are also annoying to server administrators that have anticheat on. They allow players to pass the legal speed, then they complain about being sent back.
17:36 john_minetest oh yeah
17:37 john_minetest that's annoying
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17:37 john_minetest but sneak ladders are used so often that it is impossible to take it away without damaging the gameplay
17:38 us`0gb One could argue that the gameplay is already damaged, and removal would fix it.
17:39 us`0gb Glitches are glitches. Some "features" are more anoying than the glitches, but that doesn't mean the glitches should stay forever.
17:39 john_minetest the problem isn't the bug, the problem is, that it hasn't been fixed for so long.
17:39 john_minetest now it is a quasi-feature
17:40 us`0gb Fair enough. But in the long run, fixing bugs is a better option than leaving them even longer.
17:40 us`0gb WHile I do like that quasi-feature, that doesn't mean I think it should exist in a complete game.
17:41 john_minetest yeah.
17:41 us`0gb Especially with an API-supported non-buggy way to achieve that effect.
17:41 PilzAdam thats a downside of people playing a game while its being developed
17:42 PilzAdam you have the same problem with MC, many people complained after alpha about the direction Mojang took
17:42 john_minetest I think those quasi-features aren't that important. I think entity drawing and entity attatchments are more important because those are the things that people SEE.
17:43 us`0gb Also the fact that entities fall off the edge of the world. This has crashed servers in the past.
17:43 john_minetest The visuals are important. The thing that I hear most frequent from mc users why minetest isn't that good is that its graphics are not that good. And that there are no good shaders.
17:44 PilzAdam does MC have shaders by default?
17:44 john_minetest nope. But people install shaders by default because it is simple.
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17:46 john_minetest With their inconsistent naming systems they confuse users.
17:46 john_minetest They call everything a mod.
17:48 john_minetest anyways... I heard that there are new shaders.
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17:58 john_minetest oh, and falling blocks are black and shitty
18:01 PilzAdam I have a fix for the black falling nodes somewhere
18:08 john_minetest Then apply it :)
18:08 john_minetest Don't hide your fixes; else it won't help anypony.
18:09 PilzAdam its hacky
18:11 * us`0gb wishes sites would stop hiding package downloads
18:14 john_minetest interesting, would like to see this ingame (maybe as fallback when sun+shadow is disabled: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/772
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18:48 rubenwardy Hi all
18:48 us`0gb Hello!
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18:54 VanessaE hi
18:56 * Jordach_ plays the old Blue Peter theme
18:56 * rubenwardy playing with OE CAKE
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19:07 VanessaE rubenwardy: did you ever use that image like you wanted to>
19:07 VanessaE for the minetest swag
19:07 rubenwardy yeah
19:07 VanessaE link? :)
19:07 rubenwardy Not reviewed yet
19:07 VanessaE ok
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19:18 john_minetest I have got a swag logo
19:19 PilzAdam lol, the english wikipedia has an article about the B243 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesstra%C3%9Fe_243
19:19 john_minetest my own
19:20 john_minetest http://i.imgur.com/cEQB0CW.png
19:20 PilzAdam maybe the goal of wikipedia is to create an article for each road in every country that is longer than 100 km
19:22 john_minetest and when they got that it goes down to 10 km
19:22 john_minetest and then 1 km
19:22 john_minetest and then 1 meter
19:22 john_minetest and then you can find your house on wikipedia. and yourself.
19:22 us`0gb Who builds one meter roads? That's a waste of space.
19:23 PilzAdam 1m roads are maybe just paths in peoples gardens
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19:23 john_minetest PilzAdam's house. This is the house where PilzAdam lives. He develops minetest[1] and said that maybe the goal of wikipedia is to create an article for each road in every country that is longer than 100 km[citation needed].
19:24 us`0gb Ah. Wikipedia articles about garden paths. That should be interesting as people remodel their yards.
19:24 * us`0gb busts up laughing
19:25 us`0gb This channel is logged, we can cite that.
19:25 john_minetest Wait a few years and you'll get an article about "fly dobbykay 134r43", the fly (*1.1.2020, +30.1.2020) which was beaten to death by a kitten.
19:26 john_minetest To be exact: kitten "jay 4357657r897q897"
19:26 PilzAdam is this a trustworthy source?
19:26 PilzAdam if yes then, 1=2
19:26 PilzAdam feel free to cite that
19:27 thexyz you just broke the world
19:27 john_minetest yeah, trusted source is "rob derpman 238", the owner of the kitten and a fly photographer.
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19:27 PilzAdam thexyz, I just made the world better, since 1 kitten =  2 kittens now!
19:27 thexyz john_minetest: where are you from, actually?
19:28 john_minetest thexyz: Since it is true that "Angela Merkel is a man" implies "I am from germany", I must be from germany.
19:28 john_minetest Logic :b
19:28 us`0gb I have an algebraic equasion somewhere that looks like a proof that zero equals one. On closer inspection though, it exploits a divide by zero error.
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19:29 thexyz hm so are drugs allowed in germany now?
19:29 PilzAdam us`0gb, who doesnt have something like this?
19:29 john_minetest us`0gb: I know that one
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19:29 Peacock drugs, Germany, intriguing
19:29 us`0gb So one equals two shouldn't be hard. Add one to both sides of the equation.
19:30 us`0gb Yay bogus math!
19:30 PilzAdam thexyz, only alcohol, nicotin and caffeine
19:30 Peacock god knows they could plug the deficits in Canada if they legalized/taxed the stuff lol
19:30 PilzAdam and maybe other things as medical therapy
19:31 thexyz makes sense
19:32 Peacock eventually they'll have to anyhow, governments can't afford to keep locking people up for decades for petty drug use
19:32 john_minetest In germany there should be a tax on illegal drugs.
19:32 Peacock well they wouldn't be illegal then :P
19:33 john_minetest The state could earn millions
19:33 Peacock seriously, thats what i keep saying lol
19:33 PilzAdam IMO nicotine should become illegal, especially in cigarettes
19:33 john_minetest They are illegal but it is more illegal to sell them without paying taxes.
19:33 john_minetest yeah, nicotine is so bad.
19:33 Peacock we can hardly afford healthcare and pensions for the aged, could use the extra revenue
19:33 john_minetest And cigarettes smell so bad.
19:33 PilzAdam or, 100€ tax per gramm
19:33 john_minetest Yeah
19:34 kahrl US can't legalize drug use, it would put the private prison companies out of business
19:34 john_minetest There are pipes that smell quite good.
19:34 Peacock meh, cigarettes are taxed enough already, when they start charging the same taxes on junk food, then people can moralize to me about smoking lol
19:34 john_minetest they use a nice tobacco.
19:34 Peacock kahrl it's already legal in some states
19:34 Peacock Oregon and ... i forget :/
19:34 john_minetest And I think pipe smokers aren't that heavy smokers.
19:35 john_minetest In addition to that the paper is one of the most deadly things in the cigarette.
19:35 Peacock its kinda frustrating to see the state (here) pay for mobility scooters, without taxing the cause of obesity, but i have to pay for my vices lol
19:35 john_minetest Why not merged: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/595
19:36 Peacock what about e-cigarettes? i hear those are big in europe, are they really more healthy, or is that BS?
19:36 PilzAdam john_minetest, because it doesnt work?
19:37 Peacock 6 months old, if it hasn't been pulled by now, theres always a reason :P
19:37 john_minetest Sometimes the reason is, that things have been forgotten
19:37 kahrl besides, RBA has been remaking the whole shader system
19:37 us`0gb I agree. THings get forgotten.
19:37 kahrl so there's not really much point to make small changes to the existing one
19:38 VanessaE https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest
19:38 john_minetest I'd love to try out an RBA build with shaders but I haven't got a linux machine right now :(
19:38 VanessaE ^^^^ the aforementioned shaders.
19:38 us`0gb If there is some non-forgetful reason, it should be posted in the pull topic.
19:38 Peacock more interested in RBAs skydome work :-)
19:38 PilzAdam us`0gb, it is written there
19:38 Calinou john_minetest: shaders need a decent graphics card anyway :>
19:38 us`0gb Oh, then my argument does not apply to that specific pull.
19:38 Peacock which most people have :P
19:39 john_minetest I think with some bugfixing and code improvements minetest could run faster. So shaders would run slower but still allow playability.
19:39 john_minetest Also I'd like to test it.
19:39 us`0gb Shaders are a must if you are a miner.
19:39 Peacock +1 for the bugfixing, tho im somewhat happy that the sky/horizon flicker thing has eased abit in the latest git
19:40 Peacock (when you're underground i mean)
19:40 john_minetest https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest_skydome
19:41 Peacock just kinda annoying when the sun/moon pops up intermittently underground :P
19:41 john_minetest Sometimes minetest runs on 10 fps although I am in a little, underground room... wonder why...
19:41 Peacock my fps drops lower than that in my mall, the store items all have entities representing the node for sale
19:42 john_minetest Can anybody compile the minetest_skydome for win32 please?
19:42 Peacock is there a config for that? like active entity range or something?
19:44 Peacock wow, all the entities in the mall were loaded lol 0 FPS
19:44 Peacock i guess turning rotation off didn't do much lol
19:46 VanessaE clearly something is dreadfully wrong with entities now
19:47 VanessaE a thousand little 2d sprites or even extruded models as in the item_frames mod shouldn't have hardly any impact
19:47 VanessaE yet it does.
19:48 Peacock i think the main problem is all of the entities in my mall are loaded at once
19:48 Peacock a range and a max loaded entities *might* help with that (not sure)
19:49 Peacock my store items are like item frames - theyre small boxes with a tiny version of the node inside
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19:50 jojoa1997 does anyone do videos here?
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19:51 Peacock the kind you're not proud of or the let's play variety?
19:51 Peacock :P
19:51 Calinou <us`0gb> Shaders are a must if you are a miner. => why?
19:51 Calinou :P
19:51 john_minetest Ask the NSA, they have Let's play videos of every gamer.
19:53 jojoa1997 ok i will rephrase the question
19:54 jojoa1997 anyone know of a really good/non-laggy screncapture recording system?
19:54 jojoa1997 or program?
19:54 Peacock as if France, UK, Germany, Russia, China and even my own country don't do their own spying... :P
19:54 thexyz jojoa1997: what platform?
19:54 jojoa1997 ubuntu
19:54 jojoa1997 but i think any on linux should be compatable with ubuntu if i compile it
19:55 thexyz just use recordmydesktop then
19:56 thexyz if you don't need quality it'll suffice
19:57 Peacock theres xvidcap too, lagged less for me
19:57 thexyz lol xvid
19:57 jojoa1997 i do need quality though
19:57 thexyz anyway, if you want quality, I guess you'll have to have fun with ffmpeg
19:57 Peacock well when it comes to running both minetest and screen recording... lag matters :P
19:58 jojoa1997 i guess a lets play level quality
19:58 thexyz this shit looks cool http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/
19:59 thexyz configure it to record opengl and try it
20:00 thexyz if it doesn't work then switch to rectangle mode, i guess
20:00 thexyz make sure to use h264 output
20:00 jojoa1997 is it possible to be able to set this to download with sudo apt-get update
20:00 jojoa1997 gosh it sucks being a noob again
20:01 thexyz there's an instruction at the bottom describing how to install it for ubuntu
20:01 jojoa1997 k
20:01 harrison Peacock: is your comment about lag related to the mention of ffmpeg in the previous line?
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20:02 harrison ffmpeg works well
20:02 john_minetest Peacock: Of course our own countries can spy on us, but it is permitted by law. so they kindly ask NSA to spy them out so they can get data they can't reach normally.
20:02 harrison after one gets it to work
20:02 harrison at all
20:02 harrison http://youtu.be/-xkMuqMb32M
20:03 thexyz wow it can mkv
20:03 thexyz what a wonderful toy
20:06 jojoa1997 what is realtime rendering?
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20:08 sfan5 jojoa1997: "realtime rendering" is something you can enter into your favourite search engine
20:08 jojoa1997 i already did
20:08 jojoa1997 i was just waiting for someone to way that
20:09 jojoa1997 Real-time rendering is one of the interactive areas of computer graphics, it means creating synthetic images fast enough on the computer so that the viewer can interact with a virtual environment. The most common place to find real-time rendering is in video games. The rate at which images are displayed is measured in frames per second (frame/s) or Hertz (Hz). The frame rate is the measurement of how quickly an imaging device pro
20:09 jojoa1997 duces unique consecutive images.
20:09 jojoa1997 :)
20:09 Calinou any game is real time rendering
20:09 Peacock john_minetest, the way i understand it, countries don't spy on their own citizens, so they ask other countries to do it for them, and they do the same for others, tidy arrangement
20:09 john_minetest Exactly.
20:10 Peacock well just because the yanks got caught with their pants down, doesn't mean they're the only ones doing it :P
20:10 john_minetest If papers say: "Your gouvernment spies on YOU all the time!!!" people will be very angry. if papers say: "NSA, far away in the USA spies on you" it is less dramatic.
20:14 Peacock true
20:14 Peacock though in any case, its not as if this shit hasn't been going on since WW1
20:14 jojoa1997 peanut butter pickles
20:14 Peacock mail, phone, telex lines, the internet is just the most recent addition
20:15 Peacock why do you think even in gangster movies from 20, 30 years, they'd never speak over the phones lol
20:15 Peacock people aren't dumb
20:16 Peacock well the successful gangster types werent dumb at least lol
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20:17 Peacock wow, another boat capsizes off Italy, did they mine their coasts? lol
20:27 harrison no, good idea tho
20:27 harrison what should they mine for?
20:28 john_minetest Amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0nOGrawPoE
20:29 Peacock damn, some old geezer beat my wife to the last turkey and lamb, so were having duck for thanksgiving lol
20:33 Peacock how do i cook duck?
20:33 Calinou make a duck face for 20 seconds
20:33 Peacock this ain't New Jersey :P
20:39 harrison if you can get that duck breed that starts with "m"
20:39 harrison those are delicious
20:39 harrison brown
20:40 harrison muscovy duck
20:40 harrison get one of those at the butcher shop
20:41 harrison or live slaughter emporium
20:41 * Calinou never goes to a butcher shop
20:41 john_minetest actually the duck egg was there before the duck
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20:45 Peacock lac brome duck - locally sourced
20:45 Peacock though the lamb was new zealand, so im kinda pissed off the geezer took the last 4
20:45 Peacock and she was gonna take the last duck too, but my wife was like "bitch please"
20:45 Peacock (thatta girl)
20:48 harrison once upon a time, i was the ugly duckling, see?
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20:48 harrison you all remind me of the ducks that used to f*** with me
20:48 harrison but no i find my glossy plumage can preempt
20:49 harrison your slings and arrows. yeah, i still feel contempt
20:49 harrison but now it's mixed with pity
20:49 harrison for all the drab inhabitants of mediocre city
20:49 harrison i 'm almost finished -- but before you answer back
20:50 harrison please try to think of some reply besides a feeble quack
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20:50 Peacock last time i cooked duck, it felt like eating rubber boots :S
20:51 Peacock (english cooking strikes again)
20:51 Peacock :P
20:54 us`0gb Calinou, shaders give you night vision in Minetest. You could use torches instead, but it slows you down.
20:54 Calinou night vision? not for me...
20:54 Calinou it's hard for me to see at night
20:54 Calinou no brightness setting :'(
20:54 us`0gb On my scree, I can't see in caves without shaders.
20:55 us`0gb *screen
20:56 john_minetest harrison: Here my duck answer poem:
20:57 john_minetest I am living in a cat
20:57 sfan5 wat
20:57 john_minetest eyes are green and mouth is red
20:57 harrison wat
20:57 john_minetest fur is darker than the night
20:57 harrison right
20:57 john_minetest but inside there burns a light
20:57 harrison right
20:57 john_minetest :b
20:57 john_minetest It is my cat house poem from ShadowNinja's server :D
20:58 Peacock the other morning, the cat was sleeping in the wifes butt - proving that even black cats like big butts
20:58 Peacock *on
20:58 Peacock lol
20:58 sfan5 >black cat
20:58 sfan5 >big butts
20:58 sfan5 yep
21:01 harrison The drake has a low breathy call, and the hen a quiet trilling coo.
21:02 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/search.php?a​ction=show_user_posts&amp;user_id=7699
21:02 thexyz quality
21:03 Menche lol
21:03 Menche "Hello,Can anyone Help Me Create Mods Myself,??"
21:03 Peacock simply answer "yes" lol
21:04 Menche i'd feel more inclined to help if he hadn't forgetten to capitalize "anyone" as well ;P
21:04 us`0gb I agree though, <+|-><number> is really pointless.
21:04 Menche yeah
21:04 Peacock "sumtin"  "dat", when did minetest become the ghetto?
21:04 Menche lol
21:05 Peacock tell him "you learn propa english or i be poppin' caps in yo ass yo"
21:05 paramat heh
21:05 thexyz us`0gb: +1
21:06 us`0gb ...
21:06 Peacock ah, there it is: http://englishtoghetto.com/
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21:06 Menche http://rinkworks.com/dialect/
21:07 Menche http://rinkworks.com/dialect/dialectp.cgi?dial​ect=redneck&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fminetest.net
21:07 Peacock http://www.urbandictionary.​com/define.php?term=ebonics
21:07 thexyz > ah was flyin' aroun' in mah U.F.O. wif a shitload of fuel in mah invento'y searchin' th' deserts fo' pyramids. – Th' interestin' part is: ah foun' th' pyramid ha'f-buried in th' san'! Fry mah hide!
21:09 Peacock i think i'll take that rapture now lol
21:11 john_minetest YoyyoyoO!!, CAYnn AnybOdayy OH LAwdd PLEase CompILee Da RBA-SKYdome fork Fo' Me?     https://github.com/RealBadAngel/minetest_skydome
21:11 Peacock ain't nobody got time fo dat
21:11 john_minetest but she don't care.
21:12 Peacock the scary part is you could rig the bot to provide english-to-ebonics translations lol
21:13 harrison Peacock: I feel offended by your recent action(s). Please read http://stop-irc-bullying.eu/stop
21:13 Menche ?
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21:14 john_minetest Posting this like is bullying in my eyes.
21:14 john_minetest (With no cause)
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21:16 JackGruff Hi guys. If I want to delete a part of world such that the game remakes it, do I have delete the right rows from the sqlite table or can I use worldedit?
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21:17 Menche delete from the table
21:17 Menche worldedit would just replace it with air; it wouldn't be regenerated
21:17 JackGruff yeah, i was hoping worldedit would have that like MCedit did for minecraft chunks
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21:20 JackGruff i've got the database open in an sqlite reader, how do I read what the coordinate for the pos field is??
21:20 JackGruff because it's just + or - number
21:22 PilzAdam JackGruff, https://github.com/minetest/minetest​/blob/master/doc/mapformat.txt#L200
21:22 PilzAdam note that its the position of the mapblock, so position in nodes / 16
21:23 JackGruff thanks, why couldn't you guys have just made it x, y, z ?
21:23 JackGruff i.e. 3 fields
21:24 PilzAdam "Today we know that SQLite3 allows multiple primary keys (which would allow
21:24 PilzAdam storing coordinates separately), but the format has been kept unchanged for
21:24 PilzAdam that part. So, this is where it has come."
21:24 PilzAdam same document, some lines above the linked line
21:24 JackGruff ah
21:25 PilzAdam maybe its also easier to port to other DB backends, Im not very familiar with that part
21:25 PilzAdam (we currently also have a leveldb backend)
21:27 Peacock sorry was away, harrison feel free to file a human rights complaint :P
21:30 JackGruff well, I'll post this as a feature suggestion on the forum thread
21:30 JackGruff right now I don't feel like setting up the loops and making sure ive got the right blocks from my world
21:32 harrison Don't blockblock me man!
21:33 Peacock no one's going to cockblock you harrison
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21:36 harrison blockblock
21:37 Peacock my bad :P
21:37 harrison get your filthy mind out of our nice clean gutter
21:38 PilzAdam bye
21:38 Menche what's going on?
21:40 Peacock not much lol
21:43 JackGruff have u guys played hydrophobia?
21:47 harrison My aunt died of rabies. Your remark stirred old, sad memories.
21:47 harrison JackGruff: I feel offended by your recent action(s). Please read http://stop-irc-bullying.eu/stop
21:48 Peacock freenode is hardly the place to bitch about bullying :P try bringing up windows or google for fun :P
21:49 JackGruff is harrison the village clown or something?
21:49 Peacock naw he's our special-ed greeter (like at walmart)
21:49 john_minetest He is weird and working on an engine that is confusing but still not as confusing as him.
21:50 Menche lol
21:50 Menche "Hello mean guy!"
21:51 Peacock on a channel where some dont believe in drinking, getting high, going out or getting layed, define weird lol
21:52 john_minetest Definition: http://youtu.be/-xkMuqMb32M
21:52 john_minetest and
21:52 * john_minetest puts a pony on Peacock's head
21:52 JackGruff JackGruff sets mode +clown on harrison
21:52 Peacock all i'm missing is a mercedes and a sauna now
21:52 Menche !title
21:52 MinetestBot Menche: What is realism in realtime rendering? - YouTube
21:52 Peacock "you know my sister Violet, she's the one with the mercedes, sauna and room for a pony"
21:53 Menche that youtube video... what exactly is that?
21:54 john_minetest The video is a "gameplay" video of that game harrison is doing.
21:54 * Menche isn't sure what he is looking at
21:54 john_minetest If you watch to the end you can hear drugs song :b
21:54 Peacock looks like a japanese commercial
22:03 paramat wow good video and project
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22:06 john_minetest Any trusted usser here who can make a minetest win32 build for me?
22:07 john_minetest :(
22:07 khonkhortisan I am not a person like that, and you can guess which half of the sentence is why
22:08 Peacock sure you can trust me, i just need your name, adress, DOB, mother's maiden, your banking info, and should have a build ready in no time XD
22:09 khonkhortisan give him the number to the identity theft service as well
22:09 Peacock lol
22:09 khonkhortisan I haven't figured out mingw yet
22:09 NakedFury Social security number, favorite color, middle and high school info, and your first pets name
22:10 Peacock ironically, it's those security questions that make it easy to hijack accounts
22:10 NakedFury yup
22:10 NakedFury really first pets name? high schools name?
22:10 NakedFury place of birth? bunch of crap security questions
22:11 NakedFury you just need to make him a friend in facebook and you have all that
22:11 Peacock i usually go for the custom question, "schlong size", if someone wants to hijack my accounts, they'll have to blow me lol
22:11 NakedFury nasty lol
22:11 Peacock lol
22:11 NakedFury ill send a hooker to do that. she will tell me later
22:12 Peacock canadian hookers cost more than my accounts are worth lol
22:13 Peacock though i dont use any form of credit, so i must not make a really tempting target in the first place
22:13 Peacock (dont really believe in mortgaging paycheques to the bank)
22:13 john_minetest Lol, those security questions are so nasty. When I have forgot my password that I use nearly every day I think it will be much harder to remember if you chose "Favourite color", "Best friend", "Coolest infiniminer clone" and the answer to the question. Except for the infiniminer question.
22:15 Peacock the best is people who anounce their vacations and how long they'll be gone for, along with a home phone number on their profile, a home phone number you can match to an address in the phonebook lol
22:16 khonkhortisan So only because they're not there, you can find their house
22:16 khonkhortisan oh on _profile_
22:16 Peacock they can find it anytime, but telling people when you won't be home isn't terribly smart when you add just about anyone on facebook
22:18 khonkhortisan You wouldn't think about giving someone the same information on irc, but that's because there's no text box to fill it in.
22:18 NakedFury "wooo vacation time on las vegas april 20 to may 5. leaving tomorrow at 3pm"
22:19 NakedFury incredibly moronic thing to post in facebook
22:19 Peacock thats why dumb people like that have insurance, for everyone else, there's huting rifles XD
22:20 Peacock *hunting
22:20 khonkhortisan there's probably someone out there that makes use of that information just to camp out at their house and leave a note "I could've robbed you, you should be more careful"
22:21 khonkhortisan "You're home early" takes a whole new meaning
22:23 Peacock heck last time we had a breaking, we held them at bay with a hammer and a big wrench until the cops showed lol
22:26 Peacock what's even dumber is 3 years ago we didn't have much worth stealing lol
22:27 john_minetest There are even photos of robberies on reddit nowadays.
22:28 john_minetest One robbery in a small coffeeshop has been posted on reddit by several people who were there. Lol.
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22:31 john_minetest hello again
22:31 john_minetest bad connection
22:31 john_minetest :/
22:32 john_minetest anyways, it's 0:32 so I'll leave now. cya.
22:46 Peacock john do the robbers pose? lol
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23:16 dante123 hi all, is there a way to making a world map with the continents using a picture or something?  I'm a grade 3 teacher and want to use minetest in an educational but fun way....and I'm lookin for an easy way to make a world map.  Any tips/help is appreciated.
23:17 dante123 Method Im looking at right now is going to take a million years.
23:23 JesseH Oh man, that would be an interesting project.
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23:27 dante123 what I want is mini versions of the continents and oceans.....
23:27 JesseH So you just want a worldmap?
23:27 dante123 yes
23:27 JesseH I thought you mean converting an image to a map :P
23:28 dante123 I want to be able to have groups of kids work on "building up" their assigned continents
23:28 JesseH hmm, I wish you were my teacher in 3rd grade
23:28 JesseH I just solved math problems for fun and slept >:(
23:28 dante123 well, having an image of a world map as the basis is what I was wanting to do
23:29 dante123 in other worlds.......oceans and then just flat continents....assign each group of kids the task of adding features....say Amazon river and Andes to south america.....and Rockies and missisipi to North America
23:29 dante123 Big enough to do that...but not too big
23:30 JesseH I am unsure on how to do this.
23:30 JesseH Someone else here might be.
23:30 JesseH Anyone know how to get a picture of a large chunk of the map, from an overhead view?
23:31 dante123 i'm reading a thread about World Painter for minecraft and looking for tools that could help do this in minetest
23:31 jin_xi https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6751
23:31 dante123 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5333
23:33 dante123 yeah that post you linked to has something similar
23:33 dante123 map of temple island
23:34 dante123 this is probably over my head though
23:35 dante123 If someone could help create the continent maps ...I could help generate lots of interest from teachers/students
23:35 dante123 with minetest based projects in social studies using world map
23:35 Taoki https://forum.minetest.net​/viewtopic.php?pid=114007 I'm looking for an experienced programmer to help with a code, for a mode which will likely be pretty awesome if I ever get it done. See post #4 specifically.
23:37 dante123 brb
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23:55 zat1 ERROR[ServerThread]: RollbackAction::applyRevert(): n_old.name=air, SerializationError: deSerializeLongString: size not read
23:55 zat1 what could this be? any ideas?

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