| Time |
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| 00:02 |
us}0gb |
Is there someone here who wouldn't mind helping me understand perlin noise? |
| 00:03 |
JesseH |
Hi us}0gb |
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JesseH |
I can help, whats up |
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us}0gb |
Hello! Fancy seeing you in this channel. |
| 00:04 |
us}0gb |
noise_params = {offset=0, scale=1, spread={x=100, y=100, z=100}, seed=0, octaves=3, persist=0.70} |
| 00:04 |
us}0gb |
I have these noise parameters, but I don't know what any of them do. |
| 00:04 |
JesseH |
Oh, I thought you meant perlin noise in general |
| 00:05 |
JesseH |
MT has perlin noise api? |
| 00:05 |
us}0gb |
If you could help me understand perlin noise in general, it would probably help as well. |
| 00:05 |
us}0gb |
Minetest has at least a couple API features that use perlin noise. |
| 00:06 |
us}0gb |
I'm trying to implement almost everything in the API to understand it better, so now I have to face the perlin noise that I was avoiding. |
| 00:07 |
JesseH |
Well you generate random numbers, within a grid. There are many methods, but basically you create random numbers, and the surrounding numbers are randomized, then shifted and randomized some more based on other surrounding pixels and its just a whole mess of confusion which is explained well here http://freespace.virgin.net/hugo.elias/models/m_perlin.htm and here http://webstaff.itn.liu.se/~stegu/TNM022-2005/perlinnoiselinks/perlin-noise- |
| 00:07 |
JesseH |
math-faq.html |
| 00:08 |
JesseH |
Perlin noise are used for like, terrain generators |
| 00:08 |
us}0gb |
Okay, I'll start my search there. Thank you! |
| 00:08 |
us}0gb |
Yeah, in this case, I'm using them to generate clouds. |
| 00:09 |
us}0gb |
I figured out the cloud node, now I just have to place them in the sky. |
| 00:09 |
JesseH |
Oh neat |
| 00:10 |
JesseH |
I will know more about the api and such one of these days. |
| 00:10 |
JesseH |
Just need to commit time to it. |
| 00:10 |
us}0gb |
The noise parameters used as an example in the API documentation work well for this, but if I just copy the numbers, I haven't really learned anything. |
| 00:11 |
JesseH |
Where is the documentation at for this? |
| 00:12 |
us}0gb |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt |
| 00:13 |
JesseH |
ty |
| 00:13 |
us}0gb |
No problem. |
| 00:33 |
us}0gb |
Whatever the "octaves" parameter is, setting it to 16 crashes the game. |
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VanessaE |
I'm off to bed. night all. |
| 00:53 |
us}0gb |
Good night! |
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zat |
there should be a way to make rollbacks more efficient |
| 01:36 |
JesseH |
rollbacks? |
| 01:37 |
zat |
yes I said that |
| 01:37 |
JesseH |
Not sure what roll backs are |
| 01:37 |
JesseH |
was wondering |
| 01:39 |
zat |
/help rollback < can help |
| 01:39 |
Menche |
rolling back player actions |
| 01:39 |
JesseH |
Oh I see |
| 01:40 |
Menche |
i think starting a new log file once it reaches a certain size would help |
| 01:40 |
Menche |
and just search back through the files one at a time, newest first |
| 01:56 |
ShadowNinja |
Menche: It needs more than that. grep is dozens of times faster than /rollback_check, and provides more usefull results. |
| 01:57 |
ShadowNinja |
Maybe even 100x faster |
| 02:01 |
Menche |
wonder why that is |
| 02:03 |
us}0gb |
Maybe /roolback_check should implement grep whenever it is installed on the system and fall back to the current method if it isn't. |
| 02:03 |
us}0gb |
*/rollback_check |
| 02:03 |
ShadowNinja |
Mebe because it loads the whole file in memory and then iterates overi |
| 02:03 |
ShadowNinja |
t? |
| 02:04 |
Menche |
split files should help if that is the case |
| 02:04 |
ShadowNinja |
us}0gb: Very hacky. |
| 02:04 |
us}0gb |
Hmm. My bad then. |
| 02:04 |
ShadowNinja |
Menche: That isn't fixing anything, it will still be just as slow. |
| 02:05 |
Menche |
it should be faster in some cases |
| 02:05 |
Menche |
if the latest action for some node is in the latest file, the older ones wouldn't be checked |
| 02:06 |
Menche |
if a player places a node, then later removes that node, does rollback store 2 actions? |
| 02:06 |
ShadowNinja |
Yep. |
| 02:07 |
Menche |
removing previous duplicate actions would make the file a bit smaller |
| 02:07 |
Menche |
ofc the 2nd action should be kept if it's a different player |
| 02:07 |
ShadowNinja |
But you can't afford to check the whole file on every action, or even recent ones. |
| 02:08 |
us}0gb |
Hmm. It sounds like rollback itself might not be implemented well. Maybe bot hackily, but not well. |
| 02:08 |
us}0gb |
*not |
| 02:08 |
ShadowNinja |
All of these are similar: They don't actually fix it. The best idea is to just fix it. |
| 02:09 |
us}0gb |
RIght. |
| 02:09 |
us}0gb |
THough that would require having someone who cares enough to rebuild it, possibly from the ground up. |
| 02:09 |
Menche |
what about separate log files for each player? |
| 02:10 |
Menche |
then removing negated actions wouldn't be as slow |
| 02:10 |
Menche |
and rolling back a specific player would only read from that player's log |
| 02:11 |
Menche |
maybe make each action readable by minetest.deserialize() |
| 02:12 |
Menche |
into a table with player, action, oldnode, newnode, and time fields |
| 02:15 |
Peacock |
would there be apple pie? |
| 02:17 |
ShadowNinja |
Menche: nonononono, That format is very verbose and slow. |
| 02:18 |
zat |
...grep |
| 02:18 |
zat |
why not using SQL? |
| 02:18 |
zat |
storing actions in a well indexed SQL table? |
| 02:18 |
Menche |
ShadowNinja, slower than the current way? |
| 02:18 |
ShadowNinja |
zat: Speed. |
| 02:19 |
Menche |
...why not a table |
| 02:19 |
Peacock |
might as well add owner info and timestamp to map data :P |
| 02:19 |
zat |
ShadowNinja: not using SQL because of ...speed? |
| 02:19 |
zat |
MIND = BLOWN |
| 02:19 |
Menche |
alongside map.sqlite |
| 02:19 |
ShadowNinja |
Menche: Yes, likely hundreds of times slower. |
| 02:19 |
Menche |
what, the table? |
| 02:19 |
ShadowNinja |
Yes Menche. |
| 02:19 |
Menche |
using a table like that would be slower than searching plain text? |
| 02:20 |
Peacock |
would tables indexed by x,y,z be faster than blobs? mewonders |
| 02:20 |
Menche |
storing it in a database using whatever backend is configured would probably be better |
| 02:21 |
ShadowNinja |
Database maybe, but not the map db. |
| 02:21 |
Menche |
in a db alongside the map db |
| 02:21 |
zat |
In normal production environments I use to replace thousand of values, using nested queries matching at least five indexed columns. In seconds... |
| 02:22 |
Peacock |
nested queries = oodles of fun :P |
| 02:22 |
zat |
A SQL table, with proper indexes, is by far superior to anything plain-text based |
| 02:22 |
ShadowNinja |
I once wrote a Lua rollback mod with luasql, but I needed to set nodes in unloaded areas. |
| 02:22 |
zat |
rollbacking whole days might take seconds |
| 02:23 |
Peacock |
map table: x,y,z,nodeid,nodemeta, nodeowner, timestamp, instead of the block/blob format |
| 02:24 |
zat |
primary index: nodeowner, timestamp |
| 02:24 |
zat |
index: x, y, z |
| 02:24 |
zat |
index: nodeid |
| 02:24 |
Peacock |
for a seperate table yeah |
| 02:24 |
Peacock |
i was just musing about incorporating that data into the map table itself |
| 02:24 |
zat |
yes I was thinking in the... log table |
| 02:25 |
zat |
I think there should be a separate table for a historical log |
| 02:25 |
ShadowNinja |
http://shadowninja.minetest.net/mods/rollback.tgz |
| 02:25 |
zat |
the map table should always reflect the current state of the map |
| 02:26 |
zat |
wtf I downloaded that at 7.8mbps D: |
| 02:26 |
Peacock |
the map table reflects blocks and blobs if im not mistaken, which is why rollback takes until the second coming of jesus to complete |
| 02:27 |
zat |
ShadowNinja: that file had nothing |
| 02:28 |
zat |
it probably represents the current state of a SQL implementation? :DDDDDDDDD |
| 02:29 |
ShadowNinja |
http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6212014/ |
| 02:30 |
ShadowNinja |
It worked, but ignored unloaded blocks. |
| 02:30 |
Peacock |
doesn't LVM handle unloaded blocks? |
| 02:31 |
ShadowNinja |
Peacock: Yes, but I need to set param1/2 and meta also. |
| 02:32 |
Peacock |
hm, that sucks |
| 02:32 |
Peacock |
so you'd have to run the thing in every area of the map |
| 02:32 |
Peacock |
another way might be to learn and manipulate the map db directly, tho i dont see how that could be faster than default rollback |
| 02:34 |
zat |
Peacock: what is the so big difference between querying a SQL table and greping a plain text file? |
| 02:35 |
Peacock |
how do users get away with doing so much damage though? default interact? |
| 02:35 |
ShadowNinja |
I could open map.sqlite, but that would mean a lot of code to load and save mapblocks, and sounds like a good way to corrupt a db. |
| 02:37 |
Peacock |
this is why i limit douches to a small area of the map until theyve shown i can trust them, and even then i have 3 levels of interact |
| 02:37 |
Peacock |
douche, not-a-douche, and admin areas |
| 02:37 |
Naked |
its too easy to mess in minetest |
| 02:38 |
Naked |
in this type of games |
| 02:38 |
zat |
The slow part seems to be gathering all the actions the player did, isnt it? |
| 02:38 |
Peacock |
yes, and the ridiculously inefficient ban system doesn't help |
| 02:38 |
Peacock |
kaeza uses xban i think |
| 02:39 |
Peacock |
zat prolly bigger logs than debug log yeah lol |
| 02:39 |
NakedFury |
the problem is that we dont have an extra layer of security against douches |
| 02:39 |
zat |
well then, save actions to a SQL table, and when rollbacking query all the actions from the table. I dont see the problem. |
| 02:39 |
Peacock |
we need doucheguard |
| 02:40 |
Peacock |
best thing i/anyone can do really is segregate users to different areas based on trust level |
| 02:40 |
NakedFury |
requiring a forum account can help a little since the douche would need to waste time creating a new account.not definitive but helpful |
| 02:41 |
Peacock |
yeah universal minetest credentials would help, along with some sort of user/admin rating/karma |
| 02:41 |
zat |
NakedFury: yes, waste... when a server requires me to participate in a forum also, next.... |
| 02:41 |
NakedFury |
it would also help ingame if blocks placed/created by players took three or even four times as long to dig up by other players |
| 02:42 |
Peacock |
zat well consider the most interesting servers instead aren't listed publicly, so you dont have to create a forum account, but you dont get to play'em either lol |
| 02:42 |
NakedFury |
hey I didnt say the best but its better than the simple way we have now |
| 02:42 |
zat |
so what about my last message about rollbacking from sql? |
| 02:42 |
Peacock |
nakedfury ideally you dont want other players digging those blocks at all, but then again, you dont want them placing it all over your shit either |
| 02:43 |
NakedFury |
then make it hard. five times as hard to dig up even with the best tool and impossible to build upon' |
| 02:44 |
Peacock |
theres no perfect solution lol the multiplayer aspect of the game is good, but people make it suck lol |
| 02:44 |
NakedFury |
yeah |
| 02:45 |
Peacock |
having server passwords might fix that for invite-only servers |
| 02:45 |
NakedFury |
it can help a lot |
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NakedFury |
even better for player specific server passwords so a player cant just tell the password to a non invited player |
| 02:46 |
Peacock |
course it has to be a password you can easily change in the server tab, but then youd still have your server listed at least (for dynamic ip and such) |
| 02:47 |
NakedFury |
add a lock type icon for password protected servers |
| 02:47 |
Peacock |
well, if you trust your players, you should trust who they invite, otherwise change the password and dont give it to either of them lol |
| 02:47 |
zat |
so what about my last message about rollbacking from sql? |
| 02:47 |
NakedFury |
every online multiplayer game with servers have this |
| 02:47 |
NakedFury |
no idea about sql |
| 02:47 |
NakedFury |
sorry that I cant help with that |
| 02:48 |
Peacock |
me neither, dont see how setting up a seperate db is any faster than the default rollback |
| 02:48 |
zat |
I know about SQL, though I just started with Lua and never implemented anything SQL with lua. |
| 02:48 |
zat |
Peacock: querying the actions would be fast |
| 02:49 |
zat |
in the current rollback implementation, the bottleneck is at gathering the data to rollback |
| 02:49 |
zat |
with SQL indexes that bottleneck is giantly reduced, if not almost eliminated. |
| 02:55 |
Peacock |
im not familiar enough with rollback to really say, i try to find ways to prevent douches from doing that much damage in the first place |
| 02:56 |
zat |
ok if all rollback mechanism is purely Lua code I might try to implement a SQL log for rollback, and try it. |
| 02:56 |
Peacock |
heck my server is only half creative, not everyone has the creative inventory |
| 02:59 |
zat |
must go sleep kisses to all |
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us}0gb |
Good night! |
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Khaaaaaaaaaaaan |
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7837163008/hED279960/ |
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us}0gb |
Wow. Nice. |
| 03:52 |
us}0gb |
I think I found some decent parameters to get cloud generation both in the sky and on the ground. The sheet ore type I'm using is a little strange, so it looks a little strange, but I think it works well enough. |
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sfan5 |
noo |
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sfan5 |
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GNADev|zRokh |
hi JesseH |
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JesseH |
GNADev|zRokh, :D |
| 07:45 |
JesseH |
sup |
| 07:51 |
VanessaE |
hi all |
| 07:51 |
JesseH |
Sup VanessaE ^_^ |
| 07:51 |
JesseH |
How are you? |
| 07:52 |
VanessaE |
I'm awake at ~4 am. Nuff said? ;) |
| 07:52 |
JesseH |
It's almost 4am for me :P |
| 07:52 |
JesseH |
8 more minutes! (or so) |
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reacktor |
o/ |
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reacktor |
Is it possible to do world-specific texture packs? |
| 08:00 |
VanessaE |
not directly, but you can of course replace the various mods' textures |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy World Post Day! :-D |
| 08:11 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 08:12 |
JamesTait |
Hey VanessaE! :) |
| 08:14 |
reacktor |
o/ |
| 08:17 |
JamesTait |
VanessaE, I'm assuming minetest has absolutely nothing to do with OpenLDAP libraries, right? |
| 08:18 |
VanessaE |
not that I know oif |
| 08:18 |
VanessaE |
of&* |
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* JamesTait |
prepares to file a bug against Ubuntu Update Manager. |
| 08:19 |
JamesTait |
It does seem like a very strange dependency, if there is one. |
| 08:20 |
JamesTait |
I see nothing in the depends for the PPA package. |
| 08:20 |
JamesTait |
Yet Update Manager has the OpenLDAP libraries update grouped under Minetest. |
| 08:20 |
VanessaE |
odd |
| 08:20 |
* JamesTait |
files the bug. |
| 08:22 |
JamesTait |
Ah, but this is interesting - ldd output *does* list libldap_r-2.4.so |
| 08:23 |
JamesTait |
I still think the grouping is a bug, though. |
| 08:23 |
VanessaE |
very odd, as it's not listed among the official dependencies |
| 08:24 |
VanessaE |
maybe a dep of a dep of... somewhere down the line |
| 08:25 |
VanessaE |
my build shows that too (kerberos?) |
| 08:25 |
VanessaE |
oops |
| 08:25 |
VanessaE |
my build shows that too |
| 08:26 |
VanessaE |
plus some stuff related to kerberos? |
| 08:26 |
VanessaE |
http://pastebin.com/vPAkZ7xm |
| 08:26 |
VanessaE |
(self-compiled, system install, from a couple of days ago) |
| 08:26 |
JamesTait |
Yep, I see the krb stuff as well. |
| 08:33 |
JamesTait |
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1237277 |
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VanessaE |
why does MT even use that stuff? |
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JamesTait |
I have no idea. :( Unless it's something in the build recipe or something. |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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VanessaE |
? |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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reacktor |
Is there any tool for automating buildings' decay? |
| 09:42 |
reacktor |
It takes too long to draw realistic destruction. |
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reacktor |
john_minetest entered uni? |
| 10:00 |
reacktor |
It's already slow. |
| 10:01 |
reacktor |
I hope it will have option to disable them. |
| 10:01 |
reacktor |
It does, last time I checked. |
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reacktor |
s/does/did/ |
| 10:01 |
reacktor |
john_minetest: computer science eh. I have related speciality. |
| 10:01 |
reacktor |
I mean, I'm studying for a degree in related area. |
| 10:02 |
reacktor |
So I hope it will be retained :) |
| 10:02 |
reacktor |
People are dumb. |
| 10:03 |
reacktor |
<fine-print> 95% of them. We omitted the rest 5% </fine-print> |
| 10:03 |
reacktor |
By the way, john_minetest, what do you think of solid state physics? |
| 10:06 |
ShadowBot |
john_minetest: minetest.org:30000 seems to be down |
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reacktor |
Well, while it does deal with geological matters, it's not much of geology |
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reacktor |
s/matters/matter/ |
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reacktor |
Oh, only computers. |
| 10:09 |
reacktor |
I thought you're gonna be related to applied math. |
| 10:12 |
reacktor |
How about theoretical physics? |
| 10:13 |
reacktor |
At all? |
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reacktor |
Ha. |
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reacktor |
They're morons. |
| 10:21 |
reacktor |
As mentioned above, most people are just unfit for thinking. |
| 10:21 |
reacktor |
Don't try arguing with them, it sucks in. |
| 10:22 |
reacktor |
Yep. |
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reacktor |
Wait, they opensources Ace of Spades? |
| 10:23 |
reacktor |
s/es/ed/ |
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reacktor |
mk |
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reacktor |
a fork of the old aos? |
| 10:23 |
reacktor |
oh |
| 10:23 |
reacktor |
I should try AoS sometime. |
| 10:26 |
reacktor |
idk, my groupmates still can't accept the fact they need UNIX for scientific computations |
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reacktor |
Otherwise intelligent. Probably afraid of changes. |
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Exio4 |
wut |
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Exio4 |
hi reacktor :P |
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reacktor |
Exio4: o/ |
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reacktor |
Exio4: have we met before? |
| 10:46 |
Exio4 |
yes reactor |
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reacktor |
Oh. |
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reacktor |
does worldedit have capability to set facedir? |
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Hunterz |
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dafull97 |
Hey |
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sfan5 |
Hunterz: /clearobjects |
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Hunterz |
thanks, this clear whole map or only active chunks? |
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sfan5 |
whole map |
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dafull97 |
FAGS |
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dafull97 |
mad bro??? |
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dafull97 |
assholes! |
| 12:24 |
reacktor |
Do slabs turn into blocks when placed together? |
| 12:24 |
reacktor |
Or some "double slab", like in MC? |
| 12:25 |
reacktor |
Good! I always had to worry about consistency. |
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dafull97 |
fucking retards\ |
| 12:29 |
dafull97 |
HAHAHA |
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sfan5 |
john_minetest: |
| 12:30 |
sfan5 |
thats not the mod, its the engine |
| 12:30 |
dafull97 |
by being a asshole |
| 12:31 |
dafull97 |
john_minetest: asshole |
| 12:31 |
dafull97 |
LOL |
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sfan5 |
all entities have the same lightning |
| 12:32 |
dafull97 |
liar |
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dafull97 |
liar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\ |
| 12:33 |
reacktor |
Black holes? |
| 12:34 |
reacktor |
They're the ultimate ass holes. Geometrically. |
| 12:34 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 12:34 |
dafull97 |
suck it! |
| 12:35 |
dafull97 |
better retard! |
| 12:35 |
dafull97 |
sfan5 you a ass fucked retard |
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reacktor |
Yes. Black holes do kind of suck in. |
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VanessaE |
hi all |
| 13:00 |
VanessaE |
wtf was the above all about? |
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Hunterz |
is possible make breaking nodes in the creative mode slower? |
| 13:03 |
VanessaE |
no clue how |
| 13:03 |
Hunterz |
very often I destroy more block than need |
| 13:03 |
VanessaE |
but I know it's possible - Unified Inventory does this. |
| 13:04 |
Hunterz |
ah |
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Hunterz |
anyone have isse with sea mod - not working noair around water plants |
| 13:06 |
Hunterz |
? |
| 13:06 |
VanessaE |
never used it |
| 13:07 |
ibloat |
VanessaE, don't mind me running around your server btw, trying minetest for the first time, am apparently missing a few textures (or my checkout is broken :)) |
| 13:07 |
VanessaE |
it's fine |
| 13:08 |
VanessaE |
not you can build. read the rules, no griefing, etc. etc. etc. |
| 13:08 |
VanessaE |
now* |
| 13:09 |
Hunterz |
when enable announce server, is automatically on servers.minetest.net ? or must someone approve? |
| 13:09 |
VanessaE |
yes |
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ibloat |
VanessaE, awesome, thank you! will read the signs now that the textures have loaded |
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ibloat |
also no griefing of course |
| 13:13 |
VanessaE |
the forum post has the rules, the signs are there for people who don't know the forum exists :) |
| 13:13 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7017 |
| 13:13 |
ibloat |
ah yeah i read the forum post first :) |
| 13:14 |
VanessaE |
ok |
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ibloat |
hm my notebook doesn't cut it, will try again later from a bigger machine |
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VanessaE |
!seen zeg9 |
| 14:27 |
VanessaE |
bah. |
| 14:27 |
VanessaE |
why can I never remember the syntax for that command |
| 14:28 |
VanessaE |
oh, it ain't here. |
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kahrl |
oh, that's why I couldn't open any sites! Adfeno turned off the internet. https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=113697#p113697 |
| 14:32 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 14:32 |
VanessaE |
I saw that :D |
| 14:33 |
reacktor |
is it possible to make the fog less tight? |
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VanessaE |
tight? |
| 14:34 |
VanessaE |
O.o |
| 14:34 |
VanessaE |
I never knew fog could get loose...... |
| 14:35 |
VanessaE |
one thing I would, however, like to see, is that it be tuned a bit so as to hide distant mapblock edges. |
| 14:35 |
VanessaE |
(at present, this fails somewhat) |
| 14:36 |
reacktor |
yep |
| 14:37 |
reacktor |
I mean, less thick. |
| 14:37 |
VanessaE |
less dense, right |
| 14:37 |
reacktor |
without it the map edge is seen, with it I can see too little |
| 14:37 |
VanessaE |
sounds like you more or less want the same thing I just said :D |
| 14:41 |
reacktor |
yep |
| 14:41 |
reacktor |
it could probably get its density from the current draw distance |
| 14:42 |
VanessaE |
kahrl: I'd like to make a change to minetest_game such that this sort of code: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/farming/init.lua#L180 gets replaced by code of this form: https://github.com/DanDuncombe/mushroom/blob/master/compat.lua |
| 14:42 |
VanessaE |
since pilz isn't around (and it somewhat resistant to changes to minetest_game) I figured I'd just kinda toss it out there. |
| 14:43 |
VanessaE |
basically, the latter code only redefines the parts of the nodes that actually need changed. Novatux did this in pipeworks to very good effect, and I've echoed it to mushrooms ^^^ and to one of dan's other mods. |
| 14:44 |
reacktor |
oh wait |
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reacktor |
it already did reduce density |
| 14:45 |
reacktor |
somehow |
| 14:45 |
reacktor |
that's weird. |
| 14:46 |
VanessaE |
reacktor: it adjusts back and forth to try to keep your fps near 60 or whatever you configured it to |
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VanessaE |
ha! |
| 14:49 |
VanessaE |
thou hast been summoned! |
| 14:49 |
PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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reacktor |
VanessaE: I know, I'm talking about the fog. |
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JamesTait |
What is the significance of the ':' prefix to the node name in minetest.register_node? e.g. minetest.register_node(':default:grass', foo) |
| 15:10 |
JamesTait |
Does that redefine default:grass, or do the two coexist? |
| 15:10 |
PilzAdam |
redefine |
| 15:11 |
VanessaE |
one should never redefine a whole node. |
| 15:11 |
PilzAdam |
its not possible that 2 nodes have the same name |
| 15:11 |
VanessaE |
always use Novatux's method. |
| 15:11 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, what is Novatux's method? |
| 15:12 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: https://github.com/DanDuncombe/mushroom/blob/master/compat.lua |
| 15:12 |
JamesTait |
PilzAdam, but the two strings are different: ':default:grass' vs 'default:grass'. Note the prefix on the former. |
| 15:12 |
VanessaE |
see what I did there in the mushrooms mod |
| 15:12 |
VanessaE |
basically, you copy the node, edit the one entry or field you need to edit, then redefine the node with the edit in place. |
| 15:12 |
JamesTait |
Note also that I'm not a Lua programmer, let alone a minetest modder. :) |
| 15:12 |
PilzAdam |
how is that "Novatux's method"? |
| 15:12 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: because he's the first person I saw to use it, and did so in Pipeworks |
| 15:12 |
VanessaE |
(for chests and furnaces)\ |
| 15:13 |
PilzAdam |
in which mod was that? |
| 15:14 |
VanessaE |
the one I just linked to? dan duncombe's mushrooms mod |
| 15:14 |
PilzAdam |
ehm, that mod is 4 days old; very unlikely that this method wasnt used before that |
| 15:15 |
VanessaE |
eh? |
| 15:15 |
VanessaE |
I said it was in pipeworks beore |
| 15:15 |
VanessaE |
before* |
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PilzAdam |
where did Novatux use it first? |
| 15:15 |
VanessaE |
in pipeworks, unless he did it before that, even |
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PilzAdam |
https://github.com/VanessaE/pipeworks/commit/863b82b242c8b434dcfa1ba97178a002a944e3c4 here? |
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VanessaE |
yup that's it |
| 15:18 |
VanessaE |
unless he's used that method previously, that's the one I speak of |
| 15:18 |
PilzAdam |
hmm... IIRC I used that before |
| 15:18 |
VanessaE |
I've taken to using it anywhere that a node gets redefined if it makes sense. |
| 15:18 |
VanessaE |
well then use it :) |
| 15:21 |
PilzAdam |
there: https://github.com/PilzAdam/item_drop/blame/b5d48c50c2da27fdeeab03db50cc94c158022c37/init.lua#L143 |
| 15:21 |
PilzAdam |
2013-02-01 vs. 2012-08-31 |
| 15:21 |
VanessaE |
looks similar enough |
| 15:21 |
* PilzAdam |
wins |
| 15:22 |
VanessaE |
still I call it novatux's because it's his code I use rather than yours :) |
| 15:24 |
VanessaE |
either way you should use that code in farming, rather than redefining the whole nodes like you do now |
| 15:24 |
PilzAdam |
why? |
| 15:24 |
PilzAdam |
it doesnt matter if its in the same game |
| 15:24 |
PilzAdam |
game gets loaded first |
| 15:24 |
PilzAdam |
*game mods |
| 15:24 |
VanessaE |
in case someone resets things to force another mod to load farming first? |
| 15:24 |
VanessaE |
or default gets changed? |
| 15:24 |
PilzAdam |
so you, as a modder, shouldnt care at all |
| 15:24 |
VanessaE |
e.g. duplicated code is bad, mmkay? |
| 15:25 |
VanessaE |
remember the issue moreblocks had? |
| 15:25 |
VanessaE |
it redefined some nodes but had outdated defs |
| 15:25 |
PilzAdam |
dont mess up external and game internal mods |
| 15:26 |
VanessaE |
so the nodes looked wrong |
| 15:26 |
VanessaE |
just trying to prevent a recurrence of that |
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VanessaE |
well still |
| 15:26 |
VanessaE |
you're duplicating code |
| 15:26 |
VanessaE |
you should not do this. |
| 15:29 |
PilzAdam |
well, that can always happen, even if farming wouldnt redefine the ndoes |
| 15:29 |
PilzAdam |
*nodes |
| 15:29 |
PilzAdam |
oh god, I lag :-/ |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
true |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
and wherever it happens, needs to be worked on |
| 15:30 |
VanessaE |
I did this in mushrooms and animated_furnaces so as not to break pipeworks and whatever might redefine dirt |
| 15:31 |
PilzAdam |
as I said: we are in a game here, so you can be sure that all mods get loaded before the external mods |
| 15:31 |
VanessaE |
(I took it one step further in the furnace and redefined the one texture entry that needed it) |
| 15:31 |
VanessaE |
well I guess. |
| 15:31 |
PilzAdam |
and: I prefer speed over avoiding code duplication |
| 15:31 |
PilzAdam |
making a copy of tables takes longer than just typing them out |
| 15:32 |
VanessaE |
I doubt the speed of startup is significantly affected :) |
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PilzAdam |
bbl |
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thefamilygrog66 |
bonjour mes amis |
| 16:21 |
ShadowNinja |
Calinou: Fix moreblocks to load it's config from minetest.conf or a file in the world directory using Settings(). |
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GNADev|zRokh |
hi JesseH |
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Calinou |
ShadowNinja: maybe, but doesn't doing that have downsides? |
| 16:26 |
GNADev|zRokh |
Calinou: do you like 2D RPG games |
| 16:26 |
GNADev|zRokh |
(SingleP and MultiP) |
| 16:27 |
JesseH |
sup GNADev|zRokh |
| 16:27 |
GNADev|zRokh |
PM!!! |
| 16:28 |
ShadowNinja |
Calinou: Not that I know of, but _config.txt certainly has it's downsides, and it should be named config.lua. |
| 16:28 |
Calinou |
.txt allows it to be opened by windows easier |
| 16:28 |
Calinou |
GNADev|zRokh: no |
| 16:28 |
Calinou |
.cfg and .lua both can't be opened on windows by default |
| 16:29 |
JesseH |
? |
| 16:29 |
ShadowNinja |
Calinou: .cfg? .conf>.cfg But don't expect anyone to modify files in the moddir. |
| 16:30 |
ShadowNinja |
Calinou: And you can always have defaults for people that us windows(And don't run a server) |
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JesseH |
You're not supposed to do anything in windows... |
| 16:33 |
Calinou |
same thing about .conf |
| 16:36 |
ShadowNinja |
Calinou: ^ You don't need to worry about windows users modifying config settings. |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
why not? |
| 16:38 |
Calinou |
anyway I'm probably going to migrate settings to minetest.conf, yeah |
| 16:38 |
Calinou |
it's not like most Minetest power users use windows anyway :P |
| 16:38 |
thefamilygrog66 |
wtf is a minetest power user? |
| 16:39 |
Calinou |
active players that make mods or tweak them |
| 16:39 |
Calinou |
or someone that plays Minetest without setting a FPS limit :> |
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* thefamilygrog66 |
uses windows, and also linux |
| 16:40 |
thefamilygrog66 |
I also enjoy making/tweaking modsl |
| 16:40 |
thefamilygrog66 |
*mods |
| 16:41 |
Calinou |
the problem is, how do I set a default value? |
| 16:41 |
Calinou |
since I'm going to read from minetest.conf |
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ShadowNinja |
Calinou: Check if setting_get returns nil and set it to the default value if it does. |
| 16:44 |
Calinou |
at the beginning? |
| 16:44 |
Calinou |
minetest.setting_set(setting_name,value): is that right? |
| 16:44 |
thefamilygrog66 |
nice windows user generalizations, though. @@ |
| 16:46 |
thexyz |
why do you need to set it? |
| 16:46 |
ShadowNinja |
local moreblocks.wood_facedir = minetest.setting_getbool("wood_facedir") |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
yep, lua_api.txt |
| 16:46 |
ShadowNinja |
if moreblocks.wood_facedir == nil then moreblocks.wood_facedir = true end |
| 16:46 |
thexyz |
local my_awesome_variable = minetest.setting_get("asd") or "my_default_setting" |
| 16:46 |
Calinou |
oh |
| 16:46 |
ShadowNinja |
thexyz: That doesn't work with bools. |
| 16:47 |
rubenwardy |
Hi all |
| 16:47 |
ShadowNinja |
local a = minetest.is_yes(minetest.setting_get("a") or "true") would work. |
| 16:47 |
ShadowNinja |
Hello rubenwardy. |
| 16:48 |
rubenwardy |
See https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/blob/master/mods/capturetheflag/init.lua#L47 calinou |
| 16:48 |
Calinou |
hi rubenwardy :) |
| 16:48 |
rubenwardy |
what you guys up to? |
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Calinou |
modding |
| 16:49 |
Calinou |
<ShadowNinja> Calinou: Fix moreblocks to load it's config from minetest.conf or a file in the world directory using Settings(). |
| 16:49 |
thexyz |
ShadowNinja: setting_get returns string or nil so I don't see the point in that |
| 16:53 |
ShadowNinja |
thexyz: That provides a one-line default value for boolean settings. |
| 16:53 |
thexyz |
and with setting_getbool you can use `setting_getbool() or false` (default value is false) or `setting_getbool() ~= false` (default value is true) |
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rubenwardy |
I am making a mod |
| 16:54 |
rubenwardy |
A little clue: its folder name is "osmapgen" |
| 16:54 |
thexyz |
so I dunno why would you want to make extra call to is_yes |
| 16:54 |
ShadowNinja |
Hmmm, that works too... |
| 16:55 |
thexyz |
or use `not not setting_getbool()` |
| 16:55 |
thexyz |
it's 1 char shorter |
| 16:57 |
zat |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8acmD2jyQo |
| 16:57 |
thexyz |
probably should add it to dev wiki |
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rubenwardy |
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/ |
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rubenwardy |
brb |
| 17:39 |
zat |
john_minetest: lol |
| 17:40 |
Peacock |
in other lols: Greece demands war reparations from Germany, South African gov't bans floss <resume scanning news> |
| 17:42 |
Peacock |
though the first article seems to be based on information a year old, must be a slow day at National Post lol |
| 17:42 |
zat |
floss... sounds famiiar to me |
| 17:43 |
Peacock |
http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/10/09/1648218/south-african-education-department-bans-free-and-open-source-software |
| 17:43 |
Peacock |
people imply bribes, i think they just got tired of opening documents made in OO, saved in MS format, and improperly rendered in MS office lol |
| 17:44 |
Peacock |
(which was a problem for my sister's schoolwork and job applications) |
| 17:45 |
Peacock |
in local news: quebec cop investigating bikers arrested for selling information to.... the bikers (epic lol) |
| 17:48 |
zat |
the FLOSS news game me cancer |
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zat |
wtf I just compiled the last Minetest commit and it looks more like Minecraft. |
| 17:49 |
zat |
Different textures and lightning looks better |
| 17:49 |
Calinou |
finished doing the setting stuff |
| 17:49 |
Calinou |
19:49:11: ERROR[main]: /home/calinou/.minetest/mods/moreores/init.lua:13: unexpected symbol near '.' |
| 17:49 |
Calinou |
:< |
| 17:50 |
Peacock |
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/10/09/stray-calgary-kitten-boards-transit-rides-rails-to-new-home-with-ctrain-employee/ |
| 17:51 |
Peacock |
canadian cats are becoming self aware and rising up |
| 17:51 |
ruskie |
all hail the cats |
| 17:52 |
Peacock |
soon they'll be taking our jobs, how are we supposed to compete with a species that will work for cookies and petting? |
| 17:52 |
Peacock |
especially as employers would love the opportunity to pet without the subsequent sexual harassment lawsuit |
| 17:53 |
sfan5 |
lolwat |
| 17:53 |
Peacock |
<still on my second coffee> :P |
| 17:56 |
Peacock |
"Congress is scraping rock bottom, with a ghastly approval rating of 5%."...http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/666/_57c8a1a431a592af806925e57258202f.png |
| 18:02 |
thexyz |
Calinou: where's the code? it looks like you're talking about an error you get but at the same time there's no code; it seems like you forgot to attach it perhaps? |
| 18:03 |
Calinou |
http://paste.ubuntu.com/6214785/ |
| 18:03 |
Calinou |
trying to move moreores settings to minetest.conf as requested by ShadowNinja |
| 18:03 |
Calinou |
line 13 is first line |
| 18:03 |
thexyz |
uhh |
| 18:03 |
Peacock |
yeah that is confusing lol |
| 18:04 |
thexyz |
why don't you do as I suggested |
| 18:04 |
thexyz |
local moreores.mithril_chunk_size = minetest.setting_getbool("moreores_mithril_chunk_size") or 8 |
| 18:04 |
thexyz |
instead of those two lines |
| 18:04 |
Peacock |
use pastebin and lua highlighting next time :P |
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thexyz |
anyway, I'd suggest to make a table which holds default values for keys and loop over it |
| 18:05 |
thexyz |
{["mithril_chunk_size"] = 8, ["tin_chunk_size"] = 7} |
| 18:05 |
thexyz |
your code won't look like a mess |
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Peacock |
momma's always naggin' me about cleaning up my code, but i like it this way |
| 18:07 |
thexyz |
mom knows better |
| 18:07 |
Peacock |
hehe |
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thexyz |
I wonder what the error is |
| 18:08 |
Peacock |
beats me, everything looked fine |
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thexyz |
well, to me everything looks unfine |
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thexyz |
because you can replace this with just one simple pretty for loop |
| 18:09 |
Calinou |
don't know how to do that loop |
| 18:09 |
thexyz |
okay, I can show you |
| 18:10 |
Calinou |
I still get the same error btw :P |
| 18:10 |
Peacock |
code itself yeah but the actual error with it, beats me lol |
| 18:10 |
Calinou |
http://paste.ubuntu.com/6214807/ |
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Peacock |
whats the error say? |
| 18:11 |
thexyz |
also meh |
| 18:11 |
thexyz |
you use settings_getbool |
| 18:11 |
Peacock |
isn't bool true or false? |
| 18:11 |
Calinou |
oh, that's the issue |
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| 18:11 |
Peacock |
also, you renamed all your variables to mithril :P |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
still get the same error |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
oh that too |
| 18:12 |
thexyz |
Calinou: http://bpaste.net/show/139126/ |
| 18:12 |
* Peacock |
starts calinou's coffeemaker |
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thexyz |
now you should go deeper and create a NESTED LOOP! over "mithril", "tin", "silver", etc |
| 18:14 |
thexyz |
that will be your homework assignment |
| 18:14 |
zat |
inception! |
| 18:14 |
thexyz |
but there's not much point in that anyway |
| 18:15 |
thexyz |
I'd rather have a table for every mineral which defines all its properties as well as default settings |
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| 18:21 |
jojoa1997 |
VanessaE, you there |
| 18:22 |
Peacock |
hm, unless something changed between yesterday's git and today's git, my mouse lag from yesterday may actually be related to minetest_game |
| 18:24 |
zat |
That actor guessing feature seems to be a serious issue of the rollback efficiency. |
| 18:25 |
Peacock |
still on about rollback? :P |
| 18:25 |
Peacock |
did you try your sql thing? |
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| 18:25 |
zat |
I am on that Peacock |
| 18:26 |
zat |
understanding the code to make it write to a sqlite table instead |
| 18:26 |
Peacock |
does lua do databases? or do you need a system package for that? |
| 18:26 |
zat |
lua should... however, that part of the code is cpp |
| 18:26 |
jojoa1997 |
is anyone here on VanessaE's server irc |
| 18:27 |
Peacock |
well in any event you can always do os.execute and write the db stuff in any faster language |
| 18:28 |
Sokomine |
a better rollback would be great |
| 18:28 |
Peacock |
well i still dont know how it would be better than the builtin rollback, but its always worth a shot |
| 18:28 |
zat |
I am going to write it in server.cpp |
| 18:28 |
Sokomine |
i don't know why the mt-code is so slow there. doing a grep on the plain text file the engine writes for rollback is faster by factor 10 |
| 18:29 |
zat |
but.... are guessed actions included in actual rollbacks? |
| 18:29 |
zat |
someone knows? |
| 18:29 |
Peacock |
well i dunno if its reading the rollback log that takes a while or cycling through the map db |
| 18:29 |
Calinou |
20:29:04: ERROR[main]: /home/calinou/.minetest/mods/moreores/init.lua:254: bad argument #1 to 'setting_get' (string expected, got nil) |
| 18:29 |
Sokomine |
at least they're listed in the file |
| 18:29 |
Calinou |
:/ |
| 18:29 |
Peacock |
calinou missing an or <value> |
| 18:30 |
Sokomine |
so if water starts flowing because someone placed a source somewhere, that gets listed with the water-source-placer as culprit |
| 18:30 |
Peacock |
i guess that error means the settings' not there |
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| 18:30 |
Sokomine |
hi jojoa |
| 18:30 |
Peacock |
he's been popping on and off for a while now :P |
| 18:30 |
Calinou |
http://paste.ubuntu.com/6214891/ |
| 18:31 |
Peacock |
ahh |
| 18:31 |
Peacock |
tonumber |
| 18:31 |
zat |
Peacock: I am going to find now what makes it slow |
| 18:31 |
Peacock |
its gonna give you an error if the settings' missing i think |
| 18:31 |
ShadowNinja |
Calinou: Move the closing for tonumber to just after setting_get |
| 18:32 |
Calinou |
I don't get it |
| 18:32 |
Peacock |
calinou kinda messy but try this: http://pastebin.com/zLu08a9w |
| 18:33 |
Peacock |
oups line 21 should read moreores[key] = newval |
| 18:33 |
Calinou |
still get same error |
| 18:33 |
Calinou |
ah |
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| 18:33 |
Calinou |
nope |
| 18:33 |
Peacock |
still error? |
| 18:34 |
Peacock |
what does the error say? (and disregard the code i sent then lol) |
| 18:34 |
Calinou |
oh, wait |
| 18:34 |
Calinou |
it's on line 256 |
| 18:34 |
Peacock |
for which code? lol |
| 18:35 |
Calinou |
http://paste.ubuntu.com/6214903/ |
| 18:35 |
Calinou |
such as ^ |
| 18:35 |
Peacock |
which is line 256? |
| 18:36 |
Peacock |
judging from the error message |
| 18:36 |
Peacock |
moreores_tin_chunk_size is nil |
| 18:36 |
Peacock |
:254: bad argument #1 to 'setting_get' (string expected, got nil) |
| 18:36 |
Calinou |
oredef = {clust_scarcity = minetest.setting_get(moreores_silver_chunk_size) * minetest.setting_get(moreores_silver_chunk_size) * minetest.setting_get(moreores_silver_chunk_size), |
| 18:36 |
Calinou |
that's 256 |
| 18:37 |
PilzAdam |
its nil apparently |
| 18:37 |
Peacock |
moreores_silver_chunk_size is nil yeah |
| 18:37 |
PilzAdam |
how about adding some "" |
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| 18:37 |
Calinou |
oh |
| 18:37 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 18:37 |
Peacock |
ok i thought that was *supposed* to be a variable |
| 18:39 |
Calinou |
20:38:50: ERROR[main]: /home/calinou/.minetest/mods/moreores/init.lua:256: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value |
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Peacock |
well if the settings' not set, it will be nil |
| 18:40 |
Calinou |
silver_chunk_size = 11, |
| 18:40 |
Calinou |
in your loop thingy |
| 18:40 |
PilzAdam |
use (tonumber(minetest.setting_get(...)) or 1) |
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| 18:40 |
Calinou |
why 1? |
| 18:40 |
Sokomine |
hm. why is my mt version now 0.4.6-541-<id>-dirty? the dirty may be understandable...after all i was testing current git with my modification |
| 18:40 |
PilzAdam |
"moreores_silver_chunk_size" != "silver_chunk_size" |
| 18:40 |
PilzAdam |
whatever default value you want instead of 1 |
| 18:40 |
Calinou |
loop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6214925/ |
| 18:41 |
Peacock |
yeah but in this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6214903/ he performs arithmetic on minetest.setting_get(moreores_tin_chunk_size), not the variable |
| 18:41 |
Calinou |
http://paste.ubuntu.com/6214927/ |
| 18:41 |
Calinou |
how the ore def looks now ^ |
| 18:41 |
Peacock |
try replacing minetest.setting_get("moreores_silver_chunk_size") with the variable you set earlier |
| 18:42 |
Calinou |
which variable? |
| 18:42 |
Calinou |
just removing the quotes won't work |
| 18:42 |
Peacock |
moreores.silver_chunk_size |
| 18:43 |
Peacock |
because you set the variables with default values, you didn't actually set the settings, and youre doing arithmetic on settings which may or may not be there |
| 18:43 |
thexyz |
just use http://bpaste.net/show/139126/ |
| 18:43 |
Calinou |
still happens |
| 18:44 |
thexyz |
meh |
| 18:44 |
thexyz |
I don't like to say things similar to "how about you go read docs" but it seems I should do that now |
| 18:45 |
Peacock |
try http://pastebin.com/gdgw49N5 |
| 18:46 |
Calinou |
works |
| 18:46 |
Calinou |
thanks |
| 18:47 |
Peacock |
np |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
problem with moreblocks, this doesn't work: local moreblocks.wood_facedir = minetest.setting_getbool("moreblocks_wood_facedir") or true |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
unexpected . |
| 18:50 |
Peacock |
is facedir supposed to be bool? |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
yes, it's a setting |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
if false then wood will not use facedir |
| 18:51 |
Peacock |
wait, its the unexpected . error |
| 18:51 |
zat |
local moreblocks.wood_facedir ?????? |
| 18:51 |
zat |
maybe for the local |
| 18:51 |
thexyz |
that's not how you should use it with getbool |
| 18:51 |
Peacock |
oh yeah, try dropping the local |
| 18:51 |
Calinou |
doesn't work with local |
| 18:51 |
Calinou |
20:51:25: ERROR[main]: /home/calinou/.minetest/mods/moreblocks/init.lua:23: attempt to index global 'moreblocks' (a nil value) |
| 18:51 |
thexyz |
if you want it to be true when not defined you should totally use `moreblocks.wood_facedir = minetest.setting_getbool("moreblocks_wood_facedir") ~= false` |
| 18:52 |
Calinou |
that's weird |
| 18:52 |
thexyz |
because otherwise it'll always be true |
| 18:53 |
Taoki |
Noticed something interesting: Even if I enable full view range, certain nodes which appear to me as solid nodes of their correct type are detected as "ignore" by Lua scripts |
| 18:53 |
Taoki |
I wonder why that is |
| 18:54 |
thexyz |
because view range has nothing to do with what blocks are actually loaded |
| 18:54 |
Taoki |
Ah. So the server can drop a chunk while you might still be seeing it? |
| 18:55 |
thexyz |
sure why not? it has no idea about what blocks are you seeing |
| 18:56 |
Taoki |
I'm noticing it with my Structure I/O system, for importing and exporting buildings via schematics. It's a node which detects 3 markers parallel to it, in order to know which area to edit. I'm trying a distance of 68 blocks. But even if I see the 3 markers from a given angle, the node still doesn't detect them, and sees ignore |
| 18:57 |
Peacock |
active block range? |
| 18:58 |
Calinou |
still get unexpected symbol with that ~= thingy |
| 18:58 |
thexyz |
yeah you need active_block_range |
| 18:59 |
thexyz |
Calinou: post actual error and your code |
| 18:59 |
Calinou |
20:58:36: ERROR[main]: /home/calinou/.minetest/mods/moreblocks/init.lua:23: unexpected symbol near '.' |
| 18:59 |
Calinou |
local moreblocks.wood_facedir = minetest.setting_getbool("moreblocks_wood_facedir") ~= false |
| 19:00 |
thexyz |
you can't have `local` here |
| 19:00 |
Calinou |
not having local causes this: |
| 19:00 |
Calinou |
21:00:33: ERROR[main]: /home/calinou/.minetest/mods/moreblocks/init.lua:23: attempt to index global 'moreblocks' (a nil value) |
| 19:00 |
thexyz |
and this is because it's not defined yet |
| 19:00 |
thexyz |
where is it defined? |
| 19:01 |
thexyz |
it should be defined before you use it |
| 19:01 |
ShadowNinja |
Calinou: Add moreblocks = {} to the top if init.lua. |
| 19:01 |
Calinou |
oh moreblocks = {} works |
| 19:01 |
Calinou |
did it |
| 19:01 |
Calinou |
now wood doesn't orient :( |
| 19:02 |
Peacock |
taoki simple solution, when a user sets down a marker, store the pos in table indexed by playername, then the block doesn't need to remain loaded |
| 19:03 |
Taoki |
Peacock: Hmm... that might be a good idea. Will think about something similar |
| 19:03 |
Peacock |
just be sure to clear the entries once they've done something with it, otherwise the table will get fat and buy a mobility scooter |
| 19:04 |
ShadowNinja |
Calinou: cHANGE "if wood_facedir then" to "if moreblocks.wood_facedir then" |
| 19:04 |
ShadowNinja |
Change* |
| 19:04 |
Calinou |
now I don't think ores generate too |
| 19:04 |
Calinou |
if minetest.setting_getbool("moreblocks_wood_facedir") == true then |
| 19:04 |
Calinou |
I'm using this |
| 19:04 |
Calinou |
why wouldn't it work? |
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ShadowNinja |
Calinou: Now it disablef facedir by default. |
| 19:05 |
ShadowNinja |
Use ~= false if you want it to be true by default. |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
nope |
| 19:06 |
fairiestoy |
Hey guys, fast question related to ABMs. If i registered an ABM for a node, which is not in the current loaded mapchunk(s), is the ABM still running ( means iterating through the nodes )? |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
no |
| 19:06 |
Calinou |
obviously... |
| 19:07 |
PilzAdam |
fairiestoy, it doesnt execute any Lua code |
| 19:07 |
fairiestoy |
Thats not my direct question |
| 19:07 |
PilzAdam |
so there shouldnt be a noticeable slowdown |
| 19:07 |
fairiestoy |
So it is anyway running? |
| 19:07 |
PilzAdam |
no, "running" means executing Lua code |
| 19:09 |
Peacock |
abms play catchup when you enter an area :p |
| 19:09 |
fairiestoy |
Alright, i got what you want me to tell anyway. Thanks for the info :3 |
| 19:09 |
PilzAdam |
iterating through a block to find nodes takes like no time in core |
| 19:10 |
Calinou |
<_< I wasted ~3 hours just for a "code correctness" thingy that doesn't work |
| 19:10 |
Calinou |
ubuntu all the way |
| 19:10 |
fairiestoy |
PilzAdam: But why using it, if you could use another system of the API? |
| 19:10 |
thexyz |
next time read the docs |
| 19:11 |
PilzAdam |
fairiestoy, hm? |
| 19:11 |
thexyz |
instead of wasting ~3 hours |
| 19:11 |
Calinou |
won't work |
| 19:11 |
Calinou |
I did read the docs |
| 19:11 |
fairiestoy |
For example furnaces or more likely the toolworkshops from technic. Why not using NodeTimers on demand instead of shooting blind on nodes where it is not needed? |
| 19:12 |
Calinou |
I reverted the changes (kept them in another folder) and rotating wood still doesn't work |
| 19:13 |
PilzAdam |
fairiestoy, there isnt really a difference |
| 19:13 |
Peacock |
nodetimers = minetest.after = on global step i think |
| 19:13 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, no, not at all |
| 19:13 |
Peacock |
no? |
| 19:14 |
PilzAdam |
nodetimers are defined in core |
| 19:14 |
Peacock |
so what is the difference with abms then? |
| 19:15 |
Peacock |
i guess nodetimers have their own age and abm's operate on all the nodes of a given group/name |
| 19:15 |
PilzAdam |
nodetimers are useful for e.g. the bones mod, where the bones get "public" after 10 minutes |
| 19:16 |
Peacock |
hmm pretty much what i figured, so... plants technically should use nodetimers rather than abms |
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fairiestoy |
You mean having 200 single Timers running or an ABM controlling behaviour? |
| 19:20 |
Peacock |
dunno, never tried nodetimers, did try git minetest_game yesterday, the only game to lag my mt (minimal and my game still fine) so maybe |
| 19:20 |
fairiestoy |
Same question came up in my mind |
| 19:21 |
Peacock |
by the same token, you can always set os.time in a node meta and the abm could check that |
| 19:22 |
Peacock |
meta int should be easier on the engine than meta string |
| 19:24 |
fairiestoy |
But thats what i (for example) want to avoid. Making lua checks on each node within the abm. Its not much performance, but maybe performance one could save |
| 19:24 |
Peacock |
well nodetimers must be storing the time somewhere |
| 19:25 |
Peacock |
how is the question |
| 19:25 |
Peacock |
last time i wondered into the engine source, i had to leave a trail of breadcrumbs to find my way back, so i dont know lol |
| 19:27 |
Peacock |
quick gander through githubs' search of source, seems like the time is stored in the map itself |
| 19:28 |
ShadowNinja |
Yep, it's stored in tth MapBlocks. |
| 19:29 |
ShadowNinja |
As in meta. |
| 19:29 |
Peacock |
so yeah, more efficient that the abm/meta route |
| 19:29 |
Peacock |
oh, in meta? |
| 19:29 |
ShadowNinja |
is* |
| 19:29 |
Peacock |
oh ok |
| 19:29 |
Peacock |
though im guessing meta goes through some sort of serialization ? |
| 19:29 |
ShadowNinja |
At least I think so... |
| 19:29 |
ShadowNinja |
Yep. |
| 19:30 |
Peacock |
v3s16 ... nodetimers can be negative? |
| 19:31 |
ShadowNinja |
v3s16 = position. |
| 19:33 |
Peacock |
ah yes: NodeTimer getNodeTimer(v3s16 p){ <-- overlooked the p lol |
| 19:34 |
Peacock |
more coffee XD |
| 19:36 |
fairiestoy |
Peacock, shouldn't line 84 be relavant for you? |
| 19:37 |
PilzAdam |
bye |
| 19:39 |
Peacock |
line 84 of what? lol |
| 19:40 |
fairiestoy |
Oh my bad ._. Of nodetimer.h If you go back the routing which is called on each step, you will know how the nodetimers work |
| 19:41 |
Peacock |
dont have the whole file loaded, i just did a GH search |
| 19:41 |
Peacock |
brb, must steal cat poop |
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Peacock |
bach |
| 19:55 |
Peacock |
hm, why are femen protesters always the last people you'd want to see topless? (Spain's parliament this time lol) |
| 20:17 |
zat |
ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: ServerError: LuaError: error: ...t/bin/../mods/technic/unified_inventory/internal.lua:131: bad argument #1 to 'next' (table expected, got nil) |
| 20:17 |
zat |
&%#&%&$# |
| 20:35 |
ShadowNinja |
zat: Update, recent versions don't even have next. |
| 20:37 |
zat |
pulling, thx |
| 20:39 |
Peacock |
"Gulf states to start ‘medical tests’ to ‘detect’ and stop gays trying to enter country" ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq-G4HATiC8 |
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Peacock |
theres an even funnier piece about how Charles Manson deduced from a Beatles album that a race war was coming lol |
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zat |
well... I can insert actions in a sqlite file. |
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Menche |
minetest-classic |
| 21:34 |
Peacock |
zat howcome? |
| 21:34 |
Peacock |
menche, what about? |
| 21:34 |
* Menche |
meant /join |
| 21:34 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 21:34 |
Menche |
gah |
| 21:34 |
Menche |
my irc client switched windows and cleared the text box as i was typing the command :P |
| 21:35 |
Peacock |
you've been outed as a traitor, you can expect the obsidian order to be paying you a visit XD |
| 21:35 |
zat |
Peacock: My game inserts values in a sqlite file at the same time it uses the rollback.txt file |
| 21:35 |
Peacock |
thats okay, i often type minetest commands here not realizing i didn't shift focus lol |
| 21:35 |
zat |
now I have to adapt the rollback functions to gather the data to rollback from the table |
| 21:35 |
Menche |
yep, the other irc window has "/join #" still in the box :P |
| 21:35 |
Peacock |
zat you can disable rollback though |
| 21:35 |
Menche |
lol |
| 21:36 |
zat |
Peacock: yes I can but the code does not seem to be much friendly to change a rollbacking backend |
| 21:36 |
Menche |
...anyone know how to get xchat to not switch focus on me? :P |
| 21:36 |
Peacock |
i recently downloaded minetest classic myself, wanted to play around with it's sourcecode, figured it would be easier than the current maze lol |
| 21:37 |
Menche |
classic just got 3d torches, signs, and doors |
| 21:38 |
Peacock |
and slabs |
| 21:38 |
Peacock |
if they decide to put in some sort of binary/cpp api, i might seriously consider porting my shit to that |
| 21:41 |
Peacock |
not that i dont like the current mt, but development seems abit random |
| 21:41 |
Peacock |
and mt classic actually boasts about bugfixes lol |
| 21:42 |
Menche |
? |
| 21:42 |
Peacock |
mt classic focuses abit more on bugfixes |
| 21:43 |
Peacock |
here's its kinda: can't-reproduce/dont-know-the-cause/wontfix |
| 21:46 |
Peacock |
and non-core people dont bother trying to come up with a fix because they doubt their pulls would be taken seriously lol |
| 21:46 |
Peacock |
(imo) |
| 21:48 |
ShadowNinja |
Menche: Use a different client like quassel. :-) |
| 21:48 |
Taoki |
Do we have anything like the bone meal? Something to make saplings grow faster |
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Menche |
don't think so |
| 21:49 |
ShadowNinja |
Nope, maybe in a mod. |
| 21:51 |
Taoki |
ok |
| 21:51 |
Peacock |
bone meal? sounds like KFC without the chicken lol |
| 21:52 |
Menche |
They sell it boneless now. Seen their annoying "I ate the bones!" ads? |
| 21:53 |
Peacock |
how motherfuckin' dumb do you have to be to eat the bones? |
| 21:53 |
Peacock |
though considering in the US a woman successfully sued for being served hot coffee (the horror), i guess i shouldn't be surprised lol |
| 21:54 |
Peacock |
though KFC is thoroughly inedible now compared to when i was kid lol |
| 22:01 |
Peacock |
well any chicken place i would presume lol |
| 22:01 |
Menche |
McNuggets? |
| 22:01 |
Menche |
"chicken" |
| 22:02 |
Menche |
some of that McStuff may contain bits of ground, chemically dissolved bones, idk |
| 22:04 |
Peacock |
have you seen the video about how mcnuggets are made? |
| 22:04 |
Peacock |
(from a pink paste type of crap) |
| 22:05 |
Menche |
mechanically separated, chemically sanitized, then colored and flavored so it's half edible? |
| 22:05 |
Menche |
i think they stopped using that stuff after people started finding out |
| 22:06 |
Peacock |
i somehow doubt that lol |
| 22:06 |
Peacock |
you know how it turns pink right? exposure to ammonia gas |
| 22:07 |
Menche |
yeah |
| 22:07 |
Menche |
they need to sanitize it or something due to how they separate it, i think |
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Peacock |
and thats why i avoid mcd's chicken lol |
| 22:08 |
* Menche |
likes to avoid mcd's * |
| 22:08 |
zat |
mcd's chicken is not such, does not exist. |
| 22:08 |
zat |
undefined symbol, got it? |
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zat |
such idea wont link...... |
| 22:09 |
zat |
...eh |
| 22:09 |
zat |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8acmD2jyQo |
| 22:09 |
Peacock |
though having worked in the cheapest and most expensive restaurants, i try to avoid eating out whenever i can lol |
| 22:09 |
Menche |
!title |
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ShadowBot |
Menche: title [--no-filter] <url> |
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Menche |
!title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8acmD2jyQ |
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ShadowBot |
Menche: HTTP Error 404: Not Found |
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zat |
It is a video about response codes |
| 22:09 |
Menche |
how did that work? |
| 22:10 |
Menche |
or was that MinetestBot that could do that? |
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* Peacock |
serves mcnuggets |
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* Sokomine |
inspects them critically |
| 22:36 |
Sokomine |
do you have other food to offer? a pizza perhaps? |
| 22:37 |
Menche |
this is minetest. we cook rats alive and eat them. (at least back in 0.3) |
| 22:49 |
Sokomine |
how does horizontal tee work now? |
| 22:49 |
Sokomine |
no, rat cooking is forbidden |
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* Sokomine |
handles menche a piece of paper from the mod protection organization |
| 22:50 |
Sokomine |
also it's forbidden to kill non-hostile mobs :) |
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Peacock |
yay, just freed up 120 gigs lol |
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Peacock |
(remind me to turn off full allocation in deluge lol) |
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jojoa1997 |
hi |
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VanessaE |
hi all |
| 23:31 |
VanessaE |
did I miss anything good? :) |
| 23:33 |
Peacock |
well Calinou stripped and danced to Right Said Fred - I`m Too Sexy |
| 23:33 |
Peacock |
apart from that, nothing much |
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VanessaE |
lo |
| 23:34 |
VanessaE |
lol |
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Peacock |
(let's hope he doesn't read the logs lol) |
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jojoa1997|PC |
Hello |
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jojoa1997|PC |
hi us_0gb |
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us_0gb |
Hollo, jojoa1997! |
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us_0gb |
*Hello |
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Peacock |
jojoa, you have dishonoured yourself and your house, you must perform the Mauk-to'Vor |
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jojoa1997|PC |
? |
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us_0gb |
Peacock, what is "the Mauk-to'Vor"? |
| 23:41 |
Peacock |
just kidding, no need for ritual suicide |
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jojoa1997|PC |
probably japanese for an honorable suicide |
| 23:41 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 23:41 |
Peacock |
good guess |
| 23:41 |
Peacock |
klingon for honorable suicide |
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jojoa1997|PC |
samuris would kill themselves witha blunt blade(through the stomach) if their masters told them too |
| 23:41 |
Peacock |
though you get someone else to do it for you |
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us_0gb |
Hmm. Dishonor is never a reason to die. |
| 23:42 |
Peacock |
of course, otherwise bankers would off themselves in record numbers lol |
| 23:42 |
us_0gb |
Of course, "everybody does it" might be a valid reason to die. It's the only reason to die I've found so far. |
| 23:42 |
jojoa1997|PC |
though what did i do to dishonor myself |
| 23:43 |
Peacock |
i was just kidding jojoa lol |
| 23:43 |
Peacock |
apart for a few mod issues this morning (EST), #minetest's been pretty slow today |
| 23:44 |
us_0gb |
I'm having too much fun with the ore-placing function, even though I still have no idea what the noise parameters do. |
| 23:44 |
Peacock |
i never figured out noise either lol |
| 23:44 |
Peacock |
just one of those random things that work |
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us_0gb |
I'm going to place a few stratospheric and cosmic entities with it. Then I'll move on to actual ores. |
| 23:45 |
jojoa1997|PC |
what do you mean ore placement |
| 23:45 |
us_0gb |
Peacock, the problem with not understanding it is that it's hard to find a combination of numbers that work. |
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us_0gb |
minetest,register_ore(). I'm using it on things that aren't ores. |
| 23:45 |
us_0gb |
*. |
| 23:45 |
Peacock |
well paramat has a pretty good handle on noise, and all his mods use it, so i'd study those |
| 23:46 |
us_0gb |
Unless I know what each number means individually, studying other peoples' code won't help. |
| 23:47 |
Peacock |
i had the same problem with noise :P thats why i suggest studying how people use them, rather than what they might mean |
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us_0gb |
How people use them gives me more combinations of numbers. It doesn't help me figure out how to create my own combinations of numbers. So basically, I'd just be copying paramat's code. |
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Peacock |
so you want to make your own noise generator? |
| 23:50 |
Peacock |
that's even more complicated than understanding where the current numbers come from XD |
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us_0gb |
No, I want my own noise parameters. |
| 23:50 |
Peacock |
ah shit i can't help you there, people on mt-dev might be more help |
| 23:50 |
us_0gb |
I want to use the built-in noise generator, but use my own input numbers, not copy someone else's numbers. |
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jojoa1997 |
i leave for 5 seconds and i come in on a confusing conversation |
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jojoa1997 |
oive |
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us_0gb |
jojoa1997, we literally said nothing while you were away. |
| 23:51 |
jojoa1997 |
oh |
| 23:51 |
Peacock |
jesus cries whenever you touch it, jojoa |
| 23:51 |
jojoa1997 |
then i was still busy elsewhere |
| 23:51 |
jojoa1997 |
Peacock touch what |
| 23:51 |
Peacock |
LOL nevermind |
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jojoa1997 |
:( |
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us_0gb |
Don't listen to Peacock. Jesus dies ages ago and can no longer generate tears. |
| 23:51 |
Peacock |
i ain't said nothing - Al Capone |
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us_0gb |
*died |
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jojoa1997 |
also to you linux users i admit i kinda like windows more than ubuntu right now but.. |
| 23:52 |
jojoa1997 |
not that much and i still love windows |
| 23:52 |
us_0gb |
Ubuntu is kind of bad. You need a better GNU/Linux distribution. |
| 23:53 |
Menche |
i'd probably recommend Mint to a newcomer |
| 23:53 |
Menche |
has a more traditional desktop environment |
| 23:53 |
us_0gb |
Such as, if you are after one with proprietary applications, Xubuntu. |
| 23:53 |
jojoa1997 |
bleh i have had enough trouble fixing my pc after installing ubuntu on my external hdd |
| 23:53 |
jojoa1997 |
i think i am fine with what i have |
| 23:53 |
Peacock |
Mint is the easiest one to get used to |
| 23:53 |
Peacock |
but if you dont like fucking around in the guts too much, stick to windows :P |
| 23:54 |
jojoa1997 |
im a fast leraner |
| 23:54 |
jojoa1997 |
learner |
| 23:54 |
Peacock |
were all fast learners, but there is such a thing as learning useful skills :P |
| 23:54 |
jojoa1997 |
yeah |
| 23:54 |
Peacock |
and there are a shitton a linux admins/devs available for hire already |
| 23:54 |
jojoa1997 |
and i dont need to be one of those |
| 23:55 |
Peacock |
no, because then you'd have to give up bathing or any chance of getting the sex |
| 23:56 |
Peacock |
heck even proprietary programmers have a hard time with that, and they have soo much more money lol |
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us_0gb |
Sorry, router failure.] |
