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00:01 zat so I better disable I guess
00:02 proller try use last minetest_game
00:02 zat I always use it :S
00:04 NekoGloop I probably should keep up better
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00:24 Nocte What mods make the game lag and which ones I should avoid btw? :p
00:30 zat I have heard/read that mobs
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01:14 Nocte Hmm... Any other than Mobs?
01:18 zat default
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01:50 * ShadowNinja knows pi to more decimal places than stormchaser3000's quit message shows it to.
01:50 ShadowNinja :-)
01:52 * us{0gb only knows six digits of π
01:52 ShadowNinja My sister once knew it to 108 decimal places...
01:52 VanessaE 3.151592653 is as far as I can remember
01:52 VanessaE which is accurate enough to get to, what, 1m relative to the galaxy or something? :)
01:53 OldCoder 3.14159265358979323
01:53 VanessaE showoff. :)
01:53 * OldCoder and his little Brother Ken memorized pi to about 100 places
01:53 OldCoder They are forgotten now
01:53 OldCoder probably 8462 after the above
01:53 OldCoder The rest is gone
01:54 ShadowNinja 3.1415926535897932384626433
01:54 OldCoder Ah
01:54 OldCoder It *was* 8462
01:54 OldCoder :-)
02:02 NakedFury 3.14 is all I care about pi
02:02 NakedFury anything else is useless to me
02:02 VanessaE heh
02:04 us{0gb I just need a calculator with a pi button. I don't need to actually know the first digit of pi.
02:04 NakedFury ohh that works too
02:12 VanessaE night all
02:13 us{0gb Good night!
02:31 NekoGloop Hm
02:31 NekoGloop I wonder... has anyone other than Pilz had worldgen lag with treasure chests?
02:31 NekoGloop that is, glooptest's othergen module
02:34 us{0gb NekoGloop, I don't know. I can test later if you like, but my frame count would be too low for me to notice other lag. I'm having .... issues.
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04:21 TheSprtCZ Hi
04:21 us{0gb Hello!
04:22 TheSprtCZ Is in minetest any way how to download file?
04:23 NakedFury what?
04:24 TheSprtCZ i want download skin from minecraft.net and use it, but i don't know how to do that
04:25 us{0gb You'll need to have the server administrator download and install that for you.
04:25 NakedFury you give them the skin and they add it to the server skin folder or whatever
04:26 MinetestBot GIT: AWTom commited to minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (Spanish) f86cdf0960 2013-10-07T21:24:36-07:00 http://git.io/mO6nZA
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04:26 NakedFury with your ingame name then when you enter the server you use that new skin
04:26 MinetestBot GIT: Calinou commited to minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (French) 14e562e92b 2013-10-07T21:24:36-07:00 http://git.io/WSYBJw
04:26 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Translated using Weblate (German) b3ad0f1ed4 2013-10-07T21:24:36-07:00 http://git.io/w8JpQQ
04:26 Menche so many translations
04:27 TheSprtCZ us{0gb: so i need to use something like luasocket?
04:27 Menche TheSprtCZ, no, you send the skin file to the server admin
04:27 us{0gb Are you trying to install it on your own world?
04:27 Menche you have to download it manually
04:27 TheSprtCZ ok, so here isn't any waay to download it from mod?
04:28 NakedFury for you singleplayer or for  online?
04:28 Menche no, the lua api can't add new textures on the fly. they all have to be there before minetest is started.
04:28 TheSprtCZ ok
04:29 TheSprtCZ thx
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06:37 Mossmanikin Hi folks
06:37 us{0gb Hello!
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08:25 GNADev|zRokh JesseH!
08:25 GNADev|zRokh hi :D
08:26 JesseH :D
08:26 JesseH sup ?
08:26 GNADev|zRokh nuff'n much... you?
08:26 JesseH Working on codes
08:26 GNADev|zRokh ok
08:26 GNADev|zRokh im at school :D
08:26 JesseH :D
08:26 JesseH Awesome
08:26 JesseH OldCoder, You have a server up now?
08:27 JesseH GNADev|zRokh, you should play with me on OldCoders server sometime
08:27 GNADev|zRokh hey, what if i release my game on Desura (when its done-ish) and give you a free copy :D
08:27 GNADev|zRokh nah, my PC is pretty weak...
08:27 GNADev|zRokh cant handle it
08:27 GNADev|zRokh but soon
08:27 GNADev|zRokh :D
08:27 JesseH We are releasing a game on Desura soon I think
08:28 JesseH might not be in desura ...
08:28 JesseH on*
08:28 GNADev|zRokh why not?
08:29 JesseH I am unsure
08:29 GNADev|zRokh steam?
08:29 GNADev|zRokh :D
08:29 JesseH Much less likely
08:29 JesseH humble bundle maybe
08:29 JesseH It's lined up
08:29 JesseH So yeah we will likely do desura too
08:29 GNADev|zRokh well i know im doing Desura
08:29 GNADev|zRokh maybe Steam
08:30 GNADev|zRokh i wanna do Steam because it has a lot of users
08:30 JesseH Steam is hard to get into
08:30 GNADev|zRokh more then Desura
08:30 GNADev|zRokh i know
08:30 JesseH You have to get greenlit
08:30 GNADev|zRokh oh, and also buy a game... :/
08:30 Tiktalik or get a publisher
08:30 GNADev|zRokh so Desura will definetally be before Steam...
08:30 JesseH Tiktalik, easier said than done
08:30 GNADev|zRokh well then i would have to pay the publisher
08:30 Tiktalik GNADev|zRokh: submitting to greenlight costs $100
08:30 Tiktalik yeah
08:30 GNADev|zRokh no?!
08:31 GNADev|zRokh you need to own a game that isnt free
08:31 GNADev|zRokh then it starts the voting
08:31 GNADev|zRokh to get greenlit
08:31 Tiktalik no
08:32 Tiktalik to submit games you gotta pay a $100 one-time fee
08:32 Tiktalik all proceeds are donated to charity though GNADev|zRokh
08:32 Tiktalik http://store.steampowered.com/app/219820/
08:32 Tiktalik it's to sort out the people who post fake things/things they aren't commited to greenlighting
08:33 GNADev|zRokh oh.. :/
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08:33 Tiktalik greenlight still sucks too
08:33 GNADev|zRokh well that means that i will first publish it on Desura, then in a few months/years i will try to put it there
08:33 Tiktalik i suggest you wait until it doesn't
08:34 JesseH GNADev|zRokh, free game?
08:34 JesseH You could always post it on itch.io, desura, etc i think
08:34 GNADev|zRokh yes, a free game pass :D
08:35 GNADev|zRokh im giving all my true friends (not PilzAdam, Rubenwardy) free game passes :P
08:35 JesseH I c
08:35 GNADev|zRokh Jordach will get one, Artur99 will get one, Zeg9 will get one :D
08:35 GNADev|zRokh you too :D
08:35 JesseH \o/
08:39 Tiktalik greenlight only works for things with publicity sadly
08:41 GNADev|zRokh publicity.... define that word to me please?
08:43 JesseH how known your game is
08:44 GNADev|zRokh oh.... thats why i will publish it on Desura first :D
08:44 GNADev|zRokh be, JesseH, do you want a Beta pass too :D
08:45 JesseH doesn't matter to me
08:45 JesseH sure
08:45 GNADev|zRokh i mean an Alpha pass :D
08:45 JesseH ^_^
08:45 JesseH ok
08:45 GNADev|zRokh because i could use some help with the textures, could you join GNADev?
08:45 JesseH I am not an artist.
08:45 GNADev|zRokh oh... well its a pixelated game (16x16 textures)
08:45 GNADev|zRokh for the tiles
08:46 GNADev|zRokh grass, dirt, stone, brick etc... :P
08:46 JesseH i see
08:46 GNADev|zRokh so what do you say?
08:46 JesseH I am fairly busy
08:47 GNADev|zRokh oh...
08:47 GNADev|zRokh question: what are you doing? :P (dont get inSALTed :D )
08:47 JesseH I am figuring out ways to use Lua inside HTML.
08:48 JesseH If CGILua is supported, i will likely use that.
08:48 JesseH It looks like a good lib.
08:48 GNADev|zRokh :D
08:48 GNADev|zRokh JesseH, know what im working hard for?
08:49 JesseH ?
08:49 JesseH wat
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08:49 GNADev|zRokh http://www.itshop.ee/lauaarvuti-itshop-matrix-i5
08:49 GNADev|zRokh this PC :D
08:49 JesseH I c
08:50 GNADev|zRokh great specs
08:50 GNADev|zRokh i would use it for making a bigger game
08:50 GNADev|zRokh and for gaming :D
08:50 GNADev|zRokh well bye
08:51 JesseH o/
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09:10 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Face Your Fears Day! :-D
09:13 JesseH hello
09:14 * JesseH thinks that JamesTait be bottin yo
09:14 * JamesTait beeps
09:15 JesseH lol
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09:52 JesseH What are common issues MT modders face each day?
10:01 Mossmanikin Dunno what issues all modders have...
10:02 VanessaE hi all
10:02 JesseH sup VanessaE
10:02 Mossmanikin But for me texturing is a problem...
10:02 VanessaE JesseH: untraceable crashes.  Hands down.
10:02 Mossmanikin Hi Vanessa :)
10:03 JesseH VanessaE, Caused by mods themselves?
10:03 VanessaE JesseH: usually yes
10:03 * JesseH thinks
10:03 VanessaE you know, that sort of error that says "hey, something broke, bad - but I'm not gonna tell you where it broke!"
10:03 JesseH I see :P
10:04 Mossmanikin Yeah, sounds familiar :D
10:04 JesseH Well in that case, just being able to run the mod in a terminal and get back where the errors seems nice
10:05 JesseH they are just lua scripts :P
10:07 Mossmanikin Actually this problem isn't limited to modding (using lua) :D
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10:14 Mossmanikin VanessaE: what do you think about adding lily pads near the shore (if there's grass) ongen?
10:14 VanessaE I'm about to post a comment on that.
10:14 VanessaE :)
10:14 Mossmanikin Ok :)
10:18 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=113608#p113608
10:21 VanessaE (reload the post, I added some stuff at the end)
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10:24 reactor o/
10:24 VanessaE hi
10:24 reactor Vertical slabs worlded like charm for my project, thank you.
10:24 reactor The slight displacement is not very noticeable.
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10:25 Mossmanikin Nice. Guess one of us will fork as soon as Neuromancer and I are finished experimenting. :)
10:25 VanessaE post edited again, just to clarify something
10:26 Mossmanikin Hi reactor
10:26 reactor i/
10:26 reactor o/
10:30 reactor I wonder if there is a lighter alternative to X11.
10:30 VanessaE svgalib :P
10:30 reactor For those who merely use X as terminal multiplexor, periodically needing some graphics.
10:30 reactor Oh.
10:30 VanessaE seriiusly though, XMir or Wayland probably.
10:30 reactor Could look into that.
10:32 VanessaE you might benefit from just the console only + Screen + eLinks
10:32 VanessaE (terminal multiplex and graphics, respectively0
10:32 VanessaE -0+)
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10:33 reactor meh, I need copy-paste
10:42 Exio4 reactor: gpm!
10:42 reactor No, I wouldn't like to touch the rodent.
10:43 reactor Last time I used a mouse-reliant interface I ended up in a lot of pain.
10:44 VanessaE gpm just adds mousing, it doesn't make a system mouse-reliant
10:44 VanessaE how else are you gonna select text to copy?
10:44 reactor I do it using a perl script in urxvt.
10:44 reactor In other programs, I use keynav.
10:45 reactor Or X11 mouse emulation (it's broken here, though).
10:45 VanessaE don;'t you think you're going just a little too far to avoid using a mouse?
10:45 reactor I don't.
10:45 VanessaE this is 2013, not 1983.
10:45 VanessaE -;
10:45 reactor I generally avoid mouse-based interfaces. I only need to copy and paste between terminals most of the time.
10:45 reactor Who said we need mouse for anything but games and drawing?
10:46 reactor That's a stereotype that needs to die a terrible death.
10:47 VanessaE most people prefer it over keyboard-only navigation
10:47 VanessaE it's not a stereotype, it's user-friendliess.
10:47 VanessaE friendliness.
10:47 reactor It's user-hostility.
10:47 reactor It's hurting people's backs.
10:47 VanessaE to you maybe.
10:47 VanessaE to the rest of the world, it works fine
10:47 reactor I don't want to die with one shoulder higher than the other and neck broken.
10:48 VanessaE heh
10:48 VanessaE paranoid much :)
10:49 reactor Besides, keyboards were intended for use with two hands.
10:49 reactor How am I supposed to type while using mouse?
10:49 VanessaE ...
10:50 VanessaE not everything on a computer involves tons of typing you know
10:50 reactor And having to move one hand back and forth is a nuisance.
10:50 reactor Most stuff does.
10:50 reactor At least in UNIX.
10:50 VanessaE give it up, I've seen this argument off and on for 30 years.  it never ends well for the person in your position.
10:51 reactor I don't see any reason to worry about it. Yet, eh. Pardon me for bringing up an off-topic topic.
11:00 Mossmanikin Very interesting, didn't know that point of view yet, although I'm used to work without a mouse in some cases
11:03 VanessaE the simple solution to this kind of argument is to admit that, as the out-lier, you are the one who likely has the problem, rather than it being an inherent problem in "the system".
11:03 VanessaE i.e. mousing is difficult for you?  maybe you have a problem with your arm, posture, health, whatever,
11:04 VanessaE others have problems with using a keyboard (again, posture, general health, maybe carpel tunnel, etc)
11:04 VanessaE the majority of the human populace (who uses computers to begin with) does not.
11:04 reactor Mouse has long been known to cause tunnel syndrome.
11:04 reactor Keyboard does not cause it, if used properly.
11:04 VanessaE bull
11:05 VanessaE keyboards have been causing carpel tunnel since long before computers existed.
11:05 VanessaE let alone mice.
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11:11 Mossmanikin reactor: I'm curious, when did you start computing?
11:12 reactor Early '00s.
11:12 reactor And I don't want to remember the times I used Windows.
11:12 reactor Pain in the _ it was.
11:13 Mossmanikin It still is for me :D
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11:14 reactor I wish I didn't start from Windows, seriously.
11:14 reactor I had to relearn it from scratch when I switched to quality operating systems.
11:14 reactor Years of time were spent in vain.
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11:16 Mossmanikin Yeah, windows users are spoiled and weaned at the same time, I'm just to lazy to install a different OS and make backups
11:20 VanessaE fwiw, I use Linux
11:20 VanessaE so don't talk about this being some OS-specific issue
11:20 VanessaE I grew up with a Commodore 64, so I was using computers well before GUIs were popular.
11:20 reactor The habit of relying mainly on mouse comes from Windows.
11:20 VanessaE (as in, since 1985()
11:20 reactor In most cases.
11:21 e1z0 from mac, not from windows
11:21 e1z0 Ą
11:21 VanessaE neither.
11:21 reactor Or that.
11:21 VanessaE from Xerox PARC.
11:22 reactor Well, they stole the idea.
11:22 reactor From PARC.
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11:22 e1z0 indeed
11:22 reactor The idea of that interface is fundamentally wrong. In most cases typing is more efficient.
11:23 VanessaE efficiency has its place.
11:23 VanessaE it is not the be-all, end-all of achievements,
11:23 reactor Mouse-based interface is suboptimal in most cases.
11:23 VanessaE in most cases _for_you_
11:23 reactor I have to admit it's best for graphics.
11:24 reactor Well. I have examples. Aything from programming to texting to watching movies is done faster with keyboard.
11:24 reactor On the other hand, it's hard to draw or play games with it.
11:25 reactor Wonder if there are desktop keyboards with that stick-mouse thing like on ol' laptops.
11:25 VanessaE I've seen such at least one
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11:32 Mossmanikin My first computer was a C64 too, didn't do a lot of coding, but composed my first electronic music with it
11:32 VanessaE my first was a Timex-Sinclair 1000 :)
11:32 reactor Early electronic music... where'd it go?
11:32 VanessaE (basically a ZX-81 with 2k of RAM)
11:33 reactor C64 isn't early, though.
11:33 VanessaE 1982 isn't early?
11:33 reactor Electronic music begun around 1970, I believe.
11:34 VanessaE well I don't think they had chiptune trackers back in 1970...
11:34 Mossmanikin Earlier
11:34 VanessaE and the first stuff was in the 1950's I thin
11:34 reactor Yes.
11:34 reactor Electric organs, while not exactly electronic, existed long before that.
11:35 twoelk hi
11:35 VanessaE that doesn't count.
11:35 reactor o/
11:35 Mossmanikin Hi twoelk
11:35 twoelk computer history ftw
11:35 VanessaE hey twoelk
11:36 VanessaE the first electronic tune on a computer was probably Daisy, Daisy :P
11:36 VanessaE seems like everyone uses that as a first-time-in-this-medium demo
11:36 Mossmanikin Bet those ol' egyptians had some nice computers ;)
11:37 twoelk maybe one should split between elctronic instruments, as in hammond organ and programmed music
11:37 Mossmanikin Do you have a link for "Daisy", Vanessa? :)
11:37 VanessaE that's fair
11:38 reactor Mossmanikin: that's unlikely eh.
11:38 Mossmanikin Yea
11:38 VanessaE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_Bell
11:38 reactor Mossmanikin: what principle were their computers supposed to base on?
11:38 twoelk oops that would include the old music sheet reading pianos
11:38 reactor twoelk: that.
11:39 VanessaE reactor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digi-Comp_II
11:39 VanessaE if they could do that, the egyptians could, too
11:39 VanessaE though I doubt they did,.
11:39 reactor I meant more "using electric/electronic instruments" by that.
11:39 VanessaE heh
11:39 reactor Oh. That one.
11:39 VanessaE well they did have the technology to forge copper...
11:40 reactor But that one would be slower than human brain!
11:40 VanessaE so?
11:40 reactor And they didn't have decimal or binary counting systems, did they?
11:40 VanessaE is it turing-complete?
11:40 VanessaE they had counting systems, though I don't think they were decimal
11:40 VanessaE (they were base-60 weren't they?
11:40 VanessaE )
11:40 reactor Well, computers are supposed to be faster than human brain at crunching numbers. That's what they're for.
11:40 reactor 60!
11:41 reactor I wish modern civilisation counted in octal or hexadecimal.
11:43 twoelk look at the english language, it counts to twelve and then changes the system
11:43 reactor But no one ever knew about boolean logic back when they adopted decimal. No one could predict machines would use binary.
11:43 reactor twoelk: because of clocks, probably?
11:43 twoelk nope the numbers are older
11:44 reactor While English is simple, it's not as orthogonal as I  wish.
11:44 reactor Why not call eleven "one-teen"?
11:44 Mossmanikin Said "bet" cause there's no proof, but I'm willing to believe old civilizations knew alot more than what's left of what the church didn't destroy ;)
11:44 reactor Oh. The church. They were the driving force of human ignorance until recently.
11:45 twoelk look at other languages like french with the 20 base as in 80 = 4*20
11:45 reactor How do they call it... "blessed ignorance"?
11:45 reactor twoelk: eh?
11:45 reactor twoelk: do they seriously do that in everyday life?
11:45 Mossmanikin What do you mean by "until recently"? :D
11:45 reactor That's inefficient.
11:46 reactor Mossmanikin: revolutions etc.
11:46 reactor But eh. They're regaining their power over human minds here in Russia.
11:46 reactor First the dumbasses will go to church because it's fashionble, then they will become real fanatics.
11:47 Mossmanikin Not only in russia...
11:47 reactor Some authors [source needed] state Russia is about to face the new Middle Ages.
11:48 twoelk 80 is quatre-vangte or so in everyday speech in french
11:48 Mossmanikin Any country ever left the Middle Ages?
11:48 reactor So... the language. The simpler it is, the easier it its to learn, and more importantly, process.
11:49 reactor twoelk: that must be very inefficient.
11:49 reactor Also, English has too many synonyms and antonyms.
11:50 reactor Antonyms could be abolished by using the "un-" prefix, like in Newspeak.
11:50 reactor As for synonims, well, screw them.
11:50 twoelk well french isn't meant to be efficient, it's meant to sound nice and designed to be difficult to learn
11:50 reactor Ha. Like Intel Assembly?
11:51 Mossmanikin Sounds nice, yes
11:51 reactor One could injure their voice subsystem trying to speak French.
11:52 twoelk some people think that of russian ;-) too
11:53 twoelk though I think danish sounds harsher
11:53 reactor Russian is easier than French, imho.
11:53 reactor But it might be because I'm from Russia.
11:54 reactor Russian is overcomplicated.
11:54 reactor Especially the grammer.
11:54 reactor Damn.
11:54 reactor .-1s/grammer/grammar/
11:54 reactor I thought I would never make that typo.
11:55 reactor I will delete it from the log, though. One can control their past.
11:55 twoelk well my first language is german
11:55 Mossmanikin Mine too
11:56 twoelk not the simplest by what I have heard from other people
11:56 Mossmanikin Quite complicated, yes
11:56 twoelk yet I miss some of it's features in other languages
11:57 Mossmanikin Like?
11:57 reactor So I wonder, is there an orthogonalised version of English one could learn and stay compatible with the rest of English-speakers?
11:57 twoelk organizing meaning by making long words ;-)
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11:58 Mossmanikin Yeah, combining words to make new words is nice
11:58 twoelk there is the so called "simple english"
11:58 reactor Oh.
11:59 reactor "Simplified Technical English", the one for aerospace manuals.
11:59 reactor Might be good to know, to express thoughts more clearly.
11:59 twoelk I think the use  is somewhat broader
12:00 twoelk wikipedia has it as language as well
12:01 dafull97 what can i do with my vps, like to make some money? i don't have a job right now so.... ideas?
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12:01 dafull97 i cannot host a VPN
12:02 reactor dafull97: open a system for mathematics?
12:02 reactor I mean, eh. For computation.
12:02 reactor And charge according to processing time.
12:03 dafull97 reactor what do you mean?
12:03 reactor Eh.
12:04 reactor Or.
12:04 reactor dafull97: what kind of machines do you currently own?
12:04 dafull97 Ubuntu Linux 12.04, i have one system to start out
12:04 reactor No.
12:04 reactor What kind of machine?
12:05 reactor And if you're planning to host, do not use that OS.
12:05 reactor You'll be safer with any of the BSD family.
12:05 dafull97 why is that?
12:06 reactor Too long.
12:06 reactor What kind of machine do you own?
12:06 dafull97 i am renting a VPS through the internet
12:06 reactor Oh.
12:07 reactor I thought you were planning to start hosting at home.
12:07 reactor Well, then any OS will do, because it's not your machine anyway :D
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12:08 dafull97 ok... so ideas to make money with them>? LOL
12:11 twoelk there was some talk about importing large files into a minetest world some days ago, was that you reactor?
12:12 reactor dafull97: with the ones you don't own?
12:12 reactor That's speculation eh!
12:12 reactor because of resellers there is such thing as inflation.
12:12 reactor Making money out of nothing.
12:12 reactor twoelk: that was me. I succeeded.
12:13 reactor twoelk: turned out I used wrong coordinates and pasted too low, hence the darkness.
12:13 reactor Nyan cats spawning in the empty space are still a nuisance.
12:13 dafull97 no maybe host a FTP Site? and sell monthly, would that work out you think?
12:14 reactor dafull97: yes, not very CPU heavy. because a processing site would require much CPU, and they would complain.
12:14 reactor dafull97: Or a Minetest server.
12:14 twoelk mind to explain some more, cause I have this large file that I'd like to build a skyblock from
12:14 reactor twoelk: ?
12:14 reactor twoelk: Well.
12:14 reactor twoelk: Use mcedit with sfan5's filter.
12:14 sfan5 hi everyone
12:15 dafull97 reactor, i have a mintest server on it... but i need to make money :/
12:15 twoelk it's a we file describing some 16000000 blocks
12:15 reactor Select the part of map you would like to export (for me, things as big as 2kmx2kmx50m worked reliably enough).
12:15 reactor oh, you've already exported
12:15 twoelk I used sfan5's filter to build it
12:15 reactor twoelk: wait
12:15 reactor twoelk: you used his vanilla filter?
12:15 reactor it's broken
12:15 sfan5 twoelk: build what? show me
12:15 twoelk now it wont load into mt
12:15 reactor one of the axes will be reverted
12:15 * sfan5 's foot hurts
12:16 reactor twoelk: it will. Place the scheme in worlds/World/schems
12:16 reactor twoelk: type //load scheme-name-without-extension
12:16 twoelk not enough lua memory or whatever
12:16 Hunterz anyho have problem on linux client with focus of menu? sometimes must pres Esc, then menu or interact with doors appear
12:16 reactor Don't forget to set //pos1
12:16 reactor Interact with doors?!
12:16 Hunterz yes
12:16 reactor How do you? Kick them?
12:17 Hunterz right button
12:17 twoelk done all that - on 8 and 16 ram machine, lua seems to freak out
12:17 reactor twoelk: ?!
12:17 reactor How much memory?
12:17 reactor You need a lot of swap.
12:18 reactor that many blocks will probably need some GB of core, some swap as well to make sure your OS doesn't run out of it immediately.
12:18 twoelk 8g and 16g ram machines with loads of hdd room
12:18 reactor Oh.
12:18 reactor With 4GB of swap you be fine.
12:19 twoelk seems to be a lua issue
12:19 reactor I haven't seen any issues pasting maps.
12:19 reactor I wonder, how long did it take your machine to process the map to make a scheme?
12:19 twoelk some 4 hours
12:19 reactor Try omitting the underground part. You will be able to recreate it later.
12:20 reactor using Minetest's native things.
12:20 VanessaE Mossmanikin: done yet? ;)
12:20 reactor That'll make the scheme slimmer.
12:20 reactor If that doesn't help, split it in distinguishable parts.
12:20 twoelk no this is allready cut out to the essentiall parts
12:20 reactor Again, sfan's script sues the crentre as origin. Not very convenient.
12:21 reactor Modify the script to use the bottom left corner as the origin.
12:21 reactor s/the o/o/
12:23 twoelk VanessaE: do you still have the link to the we-file I tried to import?
12:23 VanessaE um......
12:24 VanessaE nope
12:24 VanessaE I still have the file though
12:24 VanessaE need me to upload it?
12:24 Mossmanikin VanessaE: Done with what? :D
12:24 twoelk wait I found the file www.woelknet.de/pages2/min​etest/WE/PillarWorldWE.zip
12:24 VanessaE Mossmanikin: come on, hop-to!  chop-chop! :)
12:25 twoelk reactor: thats the file
12:25 VanessaE wait a sec...it's T. Woelk?  I always thought it was Two Elk
12:25 VanessaE heh
12:25 Mossmanikin VanessaE: sorry, was afk... ;D
12:25 reactor twoelk: I'm sorry, I don't have enough processing power to import maps this big.
12:25 VanessaE bbl
12:26 VanessaE movie time
12:26 twoelk yes as in Thomas W. only noticed the 2-elks here in mt
12:26 reactor Last time I imported a 2x2 km piece, it would push the OS to using half the swap.
12:27 reactor twoelk: what's the problem?
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12:27 reactor twoelk: can't allocate that much memory?
12:27 reactor As I suggested, don't export underground.
12:27 reactor And chop the map up.
12:28 twoelk Yeah I tried to chop it into pieces so far no luck
12:29 twoelk the file is not organized well to be easily choped
12:29 reactor Dude.
12:29 reactor Modify the filter so that pos1 is in the least coordinates
12:30 reactor And start porting the map from its least-coordinates part
12:30 reactor Use noticeable points as reference.
12:30 reactor And don't mind overlapping. It provides context as in where to paste.
12:31 reactor I wish I had knowledge to modify that script to chop the map automatically.
12:32 twoelk What I mean I can easily chop the file into manageable pieces, but they are not easily loaded as the blocks are organized in lines and planes rather than chunks
12:33 reactor What do you mean?
12:33 reactor Oh that.
12:33 reactor That's a flaw.
12:33 reactor can't do anything about it yet.
12:33 reactor But it wouldn't be faster if it used chunks, either, I think.
12:33 twoelk the world itself is organized in hundreds of pillars with air in between
12:33 reactor So what?
12:34 reactor use pillars as reference point.
12:34 reactor s/nt/nts.
12:34 reactor s/.$//
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12:36 dafull97 Hey guys.... one more question... does anyone know like a program that is like a .iso or somthing that will scan for viruses or somthing before windows starts?
12:38 reactor dafull97: Yes. Any Linux/UNIX installasion CD, as you format the disk with it.
12:38 reactor But seriously, there might be one.
12:38 reactor Look at Kaspersky.
12:38 dafull97 btw, needing this because im starting my own business in the next week or two that i will be Virus Removal Person
12:39 dafull97 and thanks, the first one was funny
12:39 dafull97 haha
12:39 dafull97 i personally perfer linux
12:39 Mossmanikin Yes, it was funny :D
12:40 dafull97 meh, its ok... Check out ClamWin tell me what you think
12:41 dafull97 and this -> http://www.hirensbootcd.org/screenshots/
12:42 reactor Try ClamAV.
12:44 dafull97 this is for if windows is already booted right?
12:44 reactor No.
12:45 reactor Install UNIX on a flash disk, install ClamAV.
12:45 reactor boot and check.
12:45 reactor Not an ISO, but must work.
12:45 dafull97 so would hirensbootcd work as unix? it has a simple unix boot
12:46 reactor idk
12:46 reactor You would probably need something more elaborate, with package system allowing you to build the latest Clam.
12:47 dafull97 ok, well i have 4 8gb usb's i can use for all this
12:47 dafull97 so... lol
12:47 reactor Yeah.
12:48 twoelk wasn't knoppix and knopicilin designed for this sort of stuff?
12:48 reactor idk
12:48 reactor Why not use a full-featured OS for that?
12:48 reactor knoppix is a gimmick, imho
12:49 twoelk yeah but on a usb stick you can add your own tools
12:49 reactor you can add even more tools if you install a proper OS on it.
12:49 reactor And you can experiment with it while the AV is working, so you extend your knowledge.
12:49 reactor And spend the time that would else be wasted waiting.
12:51 dafull97 i think it's pretty nice
12:51 twoelk I think the startup stuff displayed by knoppix is more informative than from most other linux build, if you want to know what hardware you are using while booting the os
12:52 twoelk ubunto beeing the extreme on the uninformative side
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12:53 dafull97 i have yet to get a virus on Linux.... and is fast
12:53 dafull97 but after about 2 months of install it slows WAY down like takes +30 to boot
12:53 dafull97 is their somthing i need to do every so often>?
12:55 twoelk you don't need a virus with linux, driver issues can make your system useless pretty quick
12:55 dafull97 so driver issues slow it down?
12:57 twoelk might be but mine usually just breack when updating the system
12:58 twoelk so sadly windows for work and linux for experiments
12:58 dafull97 im meaning it slows down after about 2 months
12:59 twoelk could be many things
12:59 twoelk like lots of programs that hook into the system or are called at startup
12:59 dafull97 such as? name some maybe it can help me find what it is
13:00 dafull97 not alot i tried that
13:00 dafull97 would using less swap be a problem?
13:00 dafull97 i set to 15 instead of 60
13:00 twoelk any programs connecting to the internet at startup?
13:01 dafull97 not sure.... i will check later... im at school right now
13:02 twoelk using lots of swap surely slows down the machine but if you don't have loads of ram you might not have a choice with some programs
13:03 dafull97 so maybe increase swap to 20 - 25?
13:03 twoelk also the less space the hdd has the more time it takes to find place for the swapfile contents
13:03 reactor twoelk: you don't need knoppix for that
13:03 reactor dmesg output of any BSD will tell you better.
13:04 twoelk can you point the swapfile to a partition of it's own?
13:05 reactor that's how you usually do swap
13:05 reactor swapfile is uncommon
13:05 reactor but it can be done
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13:05 reactor you just use the file instead of device node in fstab
13:05 twoelk reactor: may be true but Knoppix and the like are simply easily accesable for me
13:06 dafull97 my swap is in the same partition as everything else
13:06 dafull97 i will change that tonight
13:06 reactor mk
13:06 dafull97 and increase file swap size
13:06 dafull97 LOL
13:06 reactor dafull97: with 16GB of core, I would not worry much
13:06 dafull97 what you mean?
13:06 reactor also, I wouldn't mind using swap file instead of swap fs as temporary fix
13:09 dafull97 16gb core?
13:09 dafull97 what you mean by that?
13:10 reactor Pardon.
13:10 reactor RAM.
13:10 twoelk If those 16gb are your ram, than your system will not need to swap often
13:10 dafull97 ohhhhh..... i have 1.96 ram i belive?
13:11 reactor But I would still have swap so that you have backup memory in case of a big memory hog.
13:11 reactor If you don't use swap often, a swap file is fine.
13:11 reactor If you do, use a swap partition.
13:11 twoelk like for grafics and games ;-)
13:11 reactor s/fic/phic/
13:12 reactor Eh.
13:12 twoelk hmm some fast typing there
13:12 reactor Unless you're importing big maps from Minecraft, you wouldn't hit the swap.
13:13 dafull97 ok, thanks
13:14 twoelk not sure wether my import problems are a system issue or rather a lua processing issue though
13:15 reactor twoelk: lua can't allocate much RAM, probably
13:15 reactor You sure everything in that area is using 64-bit address?
13:15 twoelk thats what I fear
13:15 reactor What OS?
13:15 twoelk several
13:16 dafull97 can i use python to limit RAM useage?
13:16 reactor So, make sure these OS are for amd64.
13:16 twoelk winxp32, win764 and some linuxes
13:16 reactor If you limit it, it won't load even more surely.
13:16 twoelk *win7-64
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13:18 twoelk might have access to some powerfull machines tonight, so might give it a new try
13:18 reactor mk
13:19 twoelk the map ussually crashed mc after some minutes, so I wonder what will happen in mt - if I ever succeed to import it
13:19 reactor ?!
13:20 dafull97 reactor, is there a tutorial somewhere on how to make a swap partition? as im still nubby in Linux/Unix
13:20 reactor dafull97: yes
13:20 twoelk sorry got to go now
13:20 dafull97 i could probably do it... i just dont want to mess anything up
13:20 reactor google is your enemy, but in this particular case, it's your best friend
13:20 twoelk bye
13:20 reactor ?
13:20 reactor see you
13:20 reactor have fun
13:20 dafull97 reactor... i have searched no luck only forums talking if it is a good idea
13:20 reactor So I'm confused now. Who's importing that big map?
13:21 reactor Idea.
13:21 reactor Cut the .we file up into pieces.
13:21 reactor And load them sequentially.
13:21 reactor But you need to cut it up exactly on line breaks.
13:21 reactor Else it will corrupt.
13:21 reactor dafull97: damn it man.
13:21 reactor dafull97: just edit your fstab
13:22 dafull97 ohhh.... ok
13:22 dafull97 thanks!
13:22 reactor I have an example. But mind it might not apply to your OS.
13:22 reactor /swapfile     none            swap    sw      0       0
13:22 reactor That's what you have to put in your fstab.
13:23 reactor If Ubuntu, google for "ubuntu fstab swap"
13:23 reactor Just remember to put the filename instead of device node name in the first field.
13:23 dafull97 that works for a seperate partition swa pcorrect?
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13:45 Mossmanikin anyone likes the unreal series?
13:48 reactor I wanted to try them. But then I decided I need to play less games.
13:49 Mossmanikin You mean like less playing, more programming?
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13:50 reactor Like that.
13:51 reactor I'm writing my thesis next year.
13:51 Mossmanikin Yeah, hard to find a compromise there...
13:52 reactor Not very. Less gaming, more study, as simple as that.
13:53 Mossmanikin Sounds simple ;)
13:55 reactor dhbiker: how's the science?
13:55 reactor Oops.
13:55 reactor Not you.
13:55 reactor dfull97 has probably broken something.
13:55 reactor I forgot to tell him about my disclaimer.
13:56 harrison Higgs wins Nobel! Woo hoo!
13:56 reactor For the particle?
13:57 reactor It's been experimentally confirmed, hasn't it?
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14:45 reactor Is it possible to make mese lamps on without mese?
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14:49 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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14:52 reactor o/
14:55 arsdragonfly hi
14:55 * arsdragonfly is about to finish reading _1984_
14:56 arsdragonfly and become a ******* zealot of free software :-(
15:00 CraigyDavi Anyone know how I can stop the server list at servers.minetest.net from timing out?
15:00 reactor arsdragonfly: :D
15:00 reactor arsdragonfly: read Animal Farm, too.
15:00 reactor It's history of Russia from 1917 to our days.
15:03 arsdragonfly reactor :he's a super prophet
15:04 reactor Orwell is.
15:04 reactor How did he know what will happen?
15:04 reactor By prophet I would rather mean, analyst.
15:04 arsdragonfly couldn't believe Animal Farm was authored before '50s
15:05 reactor Me, too.
15:05 reactor It feels like it was written in Russia, in 2010.
15:06 reactor Bu how the hell.
15:10 arsdragonfly it's harrowing to even think that what was written in 1984 might come true
15:11 arsdragonfly in a future when telegram-like terminals emerge with the advancing of technology
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15:18 ivalin Hello
15:19 ivalin can somebody help
15:20 PilzAdam will you tell us where you need help?
15:20 PilzAdam its pretty hard to help people if they dont ask questions ;-)
15:22 ivalin So I am running open Suse 12.3 and when i enter a game and punch something
15:23 ivalin The video otputs displays in a lil windows in the bottoom left corner
15:23 ivalin But the main window remains
15:23 PilzAdam have you tried resizing the window?
15:25 PilzAdam does it look like this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/474 ?
15:25 ivalin Yes
15:26 ivalin Reseizing it fixed it
15:26 ivalin tnx
15:33 Jordach good news everyone
15:34 Jordach if shit goes correctly i should be getting money to buy a nice shiny new gaming machine
15:35 PilzAdam how is that good news?
15:35 Jordach that means i get more shit done
15:35 Jordach and that means more of said stuff
15:36 Jordach which also means even more higher quality renders (eg 4k!)
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15:38 Jordach and this also means one more thing: Minetest let's plays (current hardware can do it, i just happen to have shitty HW atm)
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15:40 Jordach > You can't just start any old law at any time. That would make you a dictator.
15:40 Jordach Aww.
15:42 rubenwardy Hi all
15:43 * Jordach wants to be a dickish dicktator
15:43 Jordach </purposeful_typo>
15:50 rubenwardy You are already a dick
15:50 rubenwardy ha ha ha ha, funny!
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15:56 zat I want to look like a star: http://25.media.tumblr.com/57dd64a0c137bdddc3175​8b355141b1d/tumblr_msxhxwZiIV1roednpo1_1280.jpg
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16:01 Jordach nono, Calinou is the dick
16:01 Jordach #
16:02 Calinou hi
16:02 Calinou why
16:08 reactor So, eh, no way to spawn mese lamps in the on state?
16:09 Jordach Calinou, general trolling
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16:18 rubenwardy VanessaE: pm
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16:26 dafull97 Hey guys
16:28 dafull97 anyone here?
16:29 rubenwardy No
16:30 dafull97 Lol... you are
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16:34 reactor Pwned.
16:36 ShadowNinja reactor: What mese lamps? Mesecons active mese?
16:36 reactor Mesecons mese lamps.
16:36 reactor The little square ones.
16:37 reactor I can /give them in the on state.
16:37 reactor But as soon as I place them, they become off.
16:37 thexyz > gaming machine
16:37 thexyz > more shit done
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16:37 thexyz yeah sure
16:37 PilzAdam reactor, how about giving a mese signal to them?
16:37 ShadowNinja reactor: Use WorldEdit to place them.
16:38 reactor PilzAdam: I could do that, but my question was whether I could force them on without it.
16:42 reactor Aha!
16:42 reactor It seems to have worked.
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16:46 NakedFury hello
16:46 Jordach hello
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17:04 dafull97 back
17:07 rubenwardy back too!
17:08 zat front!
17:11 * Jordach 's cookie clicker is fucked up
17:12 GNADev|zRokh hi
17:12 GNADev|zRokh hi JesseH
17:12 GNADev|zRokh :D
17:12 * rubenwardy is updating his minetest copy...
17:12 JesseH sup GNADev|zRokh :D
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17:13 GNADev|zRokh nuff'n much dood :D
17:14 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/8LwuXCo.jpg <- that's how bad it is
17:15 JesseH GNADev|zRokh, Awesome ^_^
17:15 JesseH GNADev|zRokh, How is your game going? What tools are you using to build it?
17:15 sfan5 lol
17:15 GNADev|zRokh well, Eclipse :D
17:16 GNADev|zRokh and only the builtin libraries :D
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17:16 JesseH O I remember, java
17:16 GNADev|zRokh yeah :D
17:16 JesseH i started building games with qbasic :D
17:16 GNADev|zRokh q4?
17:16 JesseH i think the resources i used to learn are alive and well :P
17:17 JesseH http://petesqbsite.com/sectio​ns/tutorials/gamedesign.shtml
17:17 JesseH Something about using basic to build games still makes me smile :3
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17:23 * Jordach has things in the store worth 199,999,999,999,999 cookies
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17:24 Calinou yes.JPEG
17:24 * Calinou is watching a YT video for once
17:25 Jordach *png
17:25 Jordach dafuq is wrong with you
17:26 Jordach VanessaE, what if in an alternative universe HDX was fast and popular
17:27 VanessaE please.
17:27 VanessaE excuse me,
17:27 VanessaE "Bitch, please."
17:27 Jordach and minetest had an actual gameplay
17:27 VanessaE that alternate universe would require versions of irrlicht and minetest that were focused on being shit hot fast "_)
17:28 VanessaE :)
17:29 VanessaE you want actual gameplay, use my game.
17:29 VanessaE it's slowly turning into something useful
17:30 VanessaE otherwise I guess build something new off minetest_game
17:31 Jordach VanessaE, its a bunch of mods for creative
17:31 VanessaE Survival*
17:32 Jordach reactor should have Quit: reactor melted down please standy by for further instructions
17:32 VanessaE I've been focusing on survival lately.
17:32 Jordach VanessaE, then let's start from scratch
17:32 VanessaE the idea I think is to have the reactor eventually blow up and leave a lot of radioactive debris around
17:32 * VanessaE pokes ShadowNinja
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17:35 Jordach feck it
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17:35 Jordach i think i enjoy OpenSpades more than minetest
17:36 VanessaE well I ain't gonna start from scratch, because I don't feel like re-implementing the whole minetest and minetest_game APIs
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18:45 Peacock playing with the latest git, mouse turning seems sluggish
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18:47 Peacock and liquids are even worse (didn't think that was possible): http://s21.postimg.org/o19qwz​j7r/screenshot_2573512133.png
18:48 Menche large lava caves can be weird like that
18:49 Menche and caves next to lakes cause water "shelves" a lot
18:49 Peacock well who's bright idea was it to break ordinary liquids?
18:49 * Menche thought v6 hadn't been changed for a while
18:51 Peacock seriously giving though to going back to 0.4.6 lol
18:51 proller Peacock, liquid_finite=1
18:51 Peacock i didn't change any settings, in options finite liquid is unchecked
18:51 proller check it
18:52 Peacock no i dont want finite liquids, i want normal liquids to work
18:52 proller too many peoples like old ugly "liquid"
18:52 proller they not normal
18:52 Peacock breaking normal liquids won't make me use finite liquids, ittl make me use an older version
18:52 proller it was in all versions
18:52 Peacock yeah but normal liquids didn't have any bugs in 0.4.6
18:53 Peacock no air pockets, no five minute delays in flowing
18:53 Menche five minute delay? you mean it will actually flow eventually? i usually give up
18:53 Peacock just started, and gained 20 FPS
18:54 Menche finite liquids are a bit weird too
18:54 Menche leave little puddles when you just dump water
18:54 Peacock they're just not that important to me that i want to devote more resources to finite liquids than i would for mods
18:57 Menche maybe it just needs to update quicker
18:58 Menche dumped a few sources into a trench, it's not quite level yet
18:59 Peacock does the mouse (turning) feel sluggish for you too though? (on latest git)
18:59 Menche not really
18:59 Peacock for some reason it lags for me
19:00 Menche it feels like the ground is greasy when I sprint
19:01 Menche i really don't like the new physics
19:01 Peacock so there's some sort of sluggishness, but it's not the same for everyone :/
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19:01 Menche i don't think it's sluggish for me, it's the inertia from the new physics that is annoying
19:02 Peacock it shouldn't affect turns though
19:02 Peacock i think
19:02 Peacock lol well, im increasingly not looking forward 0.4.8
19:03 Menche the main thing i want is a way to go back to the better old physics
19:03 Menche i tried reverting the relevant commits, but couldn't get it to work
19:03 Peacock try getting a version from right before the changes?
19:03 Calinou which physics?
19:03 proller Menche, weird what ?
19:04 Calinou mouse lag isn't related to the game, Peacock
19:04 * Calinou doesn't use finite liquid anyway
19:04 proller Menche, it keep constant volume
19:04 Peacock it must be, turns lag on the latest git, then i run an older git version from last month and it turns smoothly
19:04 Peacock so what else can it be?
19:04 Menche the game's physics were better before
19:05 Calinou completely unrealistic
19:05 Calinou water stopped you instantly
19:05 Calinou fast mode had less control
19:05 Peacock <PilzAdam> Minetest is not about realism
19:05 Menche fast mode was easier to control
19:05 Calinou if you hate on change, do it for a reason
19:05 Menche it is for a reason
19:05 Calinou well I find the new fast mode better
19:05 Menche it's more difficult to control
19:05 Calinou if you release fast while going at high speed, you slide
19:05 Menche it feels like the ground is greasy
19:05 Calinou if you don't want to slide hold the fast key
19:06 Menche and if you think that launching 10 meters into the air from climbing a later is realistic...
19:06 Menche s/ladder/any climbable node or liquid
19:06 Menche and you can climb/swim downwards faster than you freefall
19:07 Menche minetest shouldn't have superrealistic physics. it's still a world made of cubes.
19:08 Menche the new physics are better for going "oooh, aaaah" but worse for actual building/mining/whatever.
19:09 Peacock yeah i noticed when i fast move over water, i can fly across a field or small forest lol
19:09 Naked minetest needs to find its own physics and not care about OUR physics
19:09 Menche i set aux1_descends=true. that (mostly) fixes the ladderlaunching
19:10 Calinou I like being able to use fast in ladder/liquids, makes sense
19:10 Menche and it makes sprinting easier. the 'e' key is more easily accessible when you're pressing 'w'
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19:11 Menche Calinou: so when you swim upwards a half dozen meters, it's normal to go flying 20 meters up in the air?
19:11 Calinou well, it's physics
19:11 Calinou if you bounce on a bouncing node you do that too
19:11 Calinou fast mode is good for travelling quickly, and it does that in all directions
19:12 JaX9123 Hey everyone.. does anyone have this no text minetest glitch and if you do.. is there any way I can fix it?
19:12 Calinou JaX9123: what operating system do you use?
19:13 Calinou which Minetest version?
19:13 JaX9123 Windows 8.. sadly
19:13 JaX9123 0.4.7
19:13 JaX9123 (Hates Windows 8) XD
19:14 Calinou windows 8 is better than windows 7, honestly, you should not regret it :)
19:14 Calinou which language does your windows use? I heard font can be invisible with chinese
19:14 JaX9123 Just hate only the UI though
19:15 JaX9123 Well.. I just uninstalled the japanese language and still.. i reinstalled and still
19:15 chlue maybee fast mode for running should use a different value than fast fly and only fast moving (aka running) should be affected by physics
19:16 chlue on landrush fast node is something like 200-300% speed and physics are still sane.
19:17 JaX9123 That's odd.. I erased the japanese language from control panel and it still brings out some japanese font next to the window title
19:17 Calinou you can use Classic Shell if you want a start menu :p
19:18 JaX9123 Classic shell?
19:18 JaX9123 (New to this community + want to mod)
19:18 Calinou sourceforge.net/projects/classicshell
19:18 Calinou http://sourceforge.net/projects/classicshell
19:18 Calinou nothing to do with Minetest :P
19:18 Calinou but could be useful :)
19:19 JaX9123 Thanks man :3 lets see if it works
19:20 Calinou np
19:20 JaX9123 Also.. is it possible to mod another world gen.. like making a nether in minetest
19:20 JaX9123 minecraft*
19:20 Menche there is a nether mod
19:21 Menche so yes
19:21 Peacock where do you find the precise version of a build/source, i got a few different ones here :/
19:21 JaX9123 Okay cool.. cause Im trying to aim at something low and build up to the main project.. which is the SPACE MOD
19:21 Menche ?
19:21 ShadowNinja There are Lua mods that add their own worldgen, and with the VM they are fast.
19:22 Menche see paramat's work for excellent examples
19:22 JaX9123 You mean this Peacock http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-builds/
19:22 ShadowNinja Menche: No, he still uses set_node.
19:22 Peacock no i mean, like git-nnnnnn, i have several sources but can't find the precise version
19:22 Naked with minetests huge vertical space it could be possible to have multiple layerss of world generations like the game Terraria
19:22 Menche are they actual git repo clones?
19:23 Menche if so, then "git log -1"
19:23 Peacock naw used the download button from github
19:23 Menche uh
19:23 Menche don't think so then
19:23 Peacock so my files are Minetest - master ([1-9]) lol
19:23 chlue Peacock then clone the current one and look them up.
19:23 JaX9123 See... I dont like to mod in java.. I like to mod in LUA
19:23 JaX9123 All bow down to LUA >:D
19:24 Naked all bow down to modding in multiple languages!
19:24 Peacock already built the latest one :P looking for older ones
19:24 Menche it's so much easier to just git clone, don't have to open a web browser and click and decompress
19:25 Menche older what?
19:25 Peacock assuming i wanted anything more to do with git than just file reports :P
19:25 Peacock older versions
19:25 chlue Peacock I you clone head you have the full history and as such can search/checkout any old state
19:25 Peacock just found out linux FS's don't support creating date, just last accessed :S
19:25 Peacock *creation
19:25 Menche find the commit you want, then "git checkout long-unintelligible-hash"
19:25 chlue just enter "gitk --all" on the comand line to get a simple gui in a current reprository
19:26 Menche tags also work
19:26 ShadowNinja Peacock: It also means shorter compile times, as only the changed files are recompiled.
19:26 Menche for example, "git checkout 0.4.3"
19:27 JaX9123 Calinou: How does Classic Shell help me get the font in place? :3
19:27 Calinou it doesn't :p
19:28 JaX9123 Well then :3
19:28 Calinou was a suggestion because you said you didn't like Modern UI, but nothing more :)
19:28 Menche and if you want the latest, updating is as easy as "git pull" and "make -jn", rather than redownloading the archive, decompressing it, etc
19:28 Calinou JaX9123: you could try a custom Minetest build which doesn't use translations
19:28 JaX9123 Well thank you :3
19:28 Menche isn't it called Metro UI
19:28 JaX9123 custom one?
19:28 Peacock i prefer keeping copies that way im not fucked if i dont like the latest lol
19:28 JaX9123 like the unstable versions of minetest?
19:28 Menche ...and a tablet interface doesn't belong on a desktop
19:29 Menche Peacock, if you clone a git repo, you can revert back to any change
19:29 Calinou Modern UI now
19:29 chlue Peacock: Read a bit about git. This basically gives you everything at once in one directory (apart from the fact that you have to recompile)
19:29 Calinou they renamed to not get issues with Metro (some company) and because it looks more swag
19:29 Calinou JaX9123: yeah, that would do
19:29 Calinou pick a version without gettext and/or freetype
19:29 Peacock well without knowing what exact version im presently running, i can't guess what version i want to clone
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19:31 JaX9123 Calinou: Isnt it like two builds one stable and the other not.. cause I downloaded the latest and it helped.. alittle.. but just made the text show like singeplayer.. etc
19:31 ShadowNinja Peacock: Eg, git checkout HEAD~10 to check out a commit ten back in the history.
19:32 Peacock so there's no way i can get a precise version string from a running build, that's you're telling me?
19:33 Menche there's minetest --version, but i don't think that will give much more info. and i think it's a more recent addition anyway.
19:33 * Menche sets -DVERSION_EXTRA when he compiles
19:33 JaX9123 Calinou: Just brings up Client Server Texture Packs and Mods on the top of the screen
19:33 chlue new versions put the git sha1 in the build name but that was only added recently
19:33 Calinou a screenshot would help I guess
19:34 JaX9123 okay X3
19:34 Peacock where do i put -DVERSION_EXTRA?
19:34 PilzAdam bye
19:34 Menche that's a cmake configuration command
19:34 Menche it only helps when you have something to set it to, though
19:34 Peacock cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 -DVERSION_EXTRA    <-- like that?
19:35 Menche if you don't know what version it is, it probably won't help
19:35 Peacock i tried looking in the credits, where you'd expect a version string, alas lol
19:35 JaX9123 Calinou: Link: http://i.imgur.com/bVYYGUq.png
19:35 Menche i do "cmake . -DVERSION_EXTRA=$(git log -1 --date=short --format="%cd" | tr '-' '.')"
19:35 Calinou thanks
19:36 Menche with that, the resulting version of my build is "0.4.7-2013.10.08"
19:36 Peacock but that only worked if you went through git as opposed to download the zip?
19:36 Menche probably, yeah
19:37 Peacock ah now im getting somewhere, xarchiver has the creation dates
19:38 Peacock aug 4 and aug 10, now i gotta find the oldest file/screenshot in my present build
19:39 ShadowNinja Peacock: Use git describe or git log to get the commit id.
19:40 Peacock allright, im running the Aug 10th version
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19:44 Peacock so if i learned git, i could compile a version w/o liquid_range, finite and all that stuff?
19:44 Calinou JaX9123: what's your graphics card?
19:45 JaX9123 Calinou: AMD Radeon HD 7540D
19:46 Calinou is your driver up to date?
19:47 JaX9123 Yes :3
19:47 ShadowNinja Peacock: You could revert those commits and pull --rebase, but that would be a hassle.
19:48 Peacock like "probably wouldn't work" hassle?
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19:52 Peacock imagine, all this started because i wanted to try hud mod and move the inventory hotbar to the left side lol
20:11 Peacock weird, should the inventory hotbar always be drawn in the top left corner?
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20:25 Peacock aiight, i got the hotbar where i want it, but direction = 2, still puts it left-to-right
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20:42 Calinou JaX9123: you could ask on forums
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20:55 john_minetest Hello everypony
20:58 JaX9123 Calinou: So is there a way to resolve it?
20:59 JaX9123 Calinou: whoh.. just updated.. odd (IRC chat)
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21:05 john_minetest btw: anyone working on shaders?
21:05 Peacock rba to my knowledge
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21:12 john_minetest gotta ask him  if I meet him
21:12 john_minetest gtg soon
21:12 Peacock he's been around lately, though id check the dev channel more
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21:13 john_minetest oh, online
21:15 john_minetest anyways, cya
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