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00:03 diemartin us{0gb, look at how the default doors make it
00:04 diemartin those are 2 nodes tall
00:04 us{0gb diemartin, the default doors use two nodes per door, not one tall node.
00:07 us{0gb I tried checking the scarecrows in (I think) framing_plus, and it's the same deal there, but with some obfuscation.
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01:00 dafull97 hey babes, hahahahahahaha, jk... jk
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01:14 dafull97 who has the locked_door mod?
01:22 us{0gb Isn't the locked door in the default doors script?
01:24 dafull97 idk, i added it... i think
01:25 dafull97 locked_door - its under mods
01:26 dafull97 i cant take doors out :(
01:26 us{0gb Okay, I don't know then.
01:29 dafull97 you know lua correct?
01:29 us{0gb I do, yeas.
01:29 us{0gb *yse
01:29 us{0gb *yes
01:30 dafull97 if i send you the init.lua could you figure out how to remove them?
01:30 us{0gb How to make them removable or how to make all of them disappear?
01:31 dafull97 make them removeable... only to y\the owner
01:31 dafull97 the owner
01:32 us{0gb Okay, sure. If they aren't already removable by the owner, that's a major (though easy to fix) bug.
01:40 dafull97 i dont see how... i tried several times
01:40 dafull97 can you help?
01:45 us{0gb I already said I'd fix the code if you sent it. I'm not sure what more I can do.
01:49 dafull97 ok i will send you the code
01:51 dafull97 `http://pastebin.com/VeJcKGug
01:52 us{0gb THat's not the whole code, only a fragment of it.
01:53 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/X4Kxp3b.png :3
01:53 us{0gb That part doen't even deal with removing doors, only opening them.
01:54 us{0gb That's  an interesting shape on that sword.
01:54 NekoGloop Indeed
01:54 dafull97 wow, yea i guessso hahaha... holdo n
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01:55 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/VXKtkq6.png This is a wooden sword :P
01:55 us{0gb That looks like one of those Japanese pole swords.
01:56 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/ATadpzM.png Stone...
01:57 us{0gb A claymore?
01:57 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/vus02th.png Bronze...
01:57 NekoGloop us{0gb, sharp rock on stick
01:57 us{0gb Okay, I don't know what the bronze one is.
01:57 NekoGloop It's a curved sword with no hilt
01:57 NekoGloop :P
01:57 NekoGloop er, is hilt the right word...
01:58 NekoGloop no guard, let's go with that
01:58 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/QMnuSHm.png Steel.
01:59 us{0gb I don't know what that is either, but it's interesting.
02:00 ShadowNinja Those look good, better than default IMO.
02:00 dafull97 us{0gb - http://5.231.69.196/init.lua
02:00 NekoGloop ShadowNinja, I sure hope so; default sucks 8D
02:01 us{0gb I like the default images myself.
02:02 dafull97 us{0gb get it?
02:02 us{0gb Yeah, I'm reading it now.
02:02 dafull97 k
02:03 us{0gb It looks like it should work. I'm going to try running it.
02:03 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/yZA6aHN.png Diamond...? I guess.
02:04 ShadowNinja Diamond tools are ridiculous.
02:04 NekoGloop Diamond tools shouldn't function
02:04 NekoGloop At least, not the way ours are made :P
02:06 ShadowNinja It's like obsidian. It should shatter like glass but it is one of the strongest materials.
02:06 NekoGloop The stone sword is literally random pieces from my stone texture
02:07 NekoGloop Diamond wouldn't precisely shatter, but it wouldn't be -as- strong as depicted :P
02:08 ShadowNinja http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6177965/
02:09 NekoGloop Yes, i know
02:09 NekoGloop Still wouldn't -shatter-
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02:09 NekoGloop Would break incredibly quickly, but not -shatter-
02:09 NekoGloop Obsidian would though :P
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02:10 us{0gb dafull97, debugged. Change line 98 to "return owner == player:get_player_name()".
02:12 dafull97 k :) thanks
02:12 us{0gb Yeah, no problem.
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02:16 us{0gb Speaking of doors, I think I'm going to have to give up on my two unit high node. I'll have to hackily implement it as two separate nodes, the way doors currently are.
02:17 dafull97 ohh,  didnt know you was working on one
02:18 dafull97 um, question... is there anyone working on programs that will "aid" Minetest
02:18 us{0gb Yeah. I'm working on some nodes. Lately, I've been failing.
02:18 dafull97 maybe like optimize it, etc...
02:18 us{0gb What kind of applications?
02:19 dafull97 idk, ones that are a different program but "aids" minetest etc...
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02:19 us{0gb Optimization needs to happen in Minetest itself. You can't optimise much from a third-party application.
02:20 NekoGloop And needs to happen, it does.
02:20 us{0gb Probably. Definitely in some places.
02:21 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/p1eqYbD.png Wood pick, http://i.imgur.com/0kaOTTa.png Stone pick.
02:21 dafull97 well lua, is a hard programming language... and is not used in networking or anything haha
02:21 dafull97 not for my needs
02:21 us{0gb But I can't really get on anyone's case about that. I'm not doing anything about it, I can't expect others to.
02:21 dafull97 amnd i need a programming language like C++
02:23 * NekoGloop pokes ShadowNinja with http://i.imgur.com/0kaOTTa.png and http://i.imgur.com/p1eqYbD.png
02:23 NekoGloop (yes, I'm poking you with pickaxes.)
02:25 us{0gb Or pictures of them, anyway.
02:25 * us{0gb wishes he know how to poke people with PNGs and/or URIs
02:25 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: Inner side of the stone one should be rounded a bit at the edge IMO.
02:25 NekoGloop It's supposed to be a stone smacked on a stick
02:26 NekoGloop :P
02:26 dafull97 us{0gb, maybe you could teach me basics of modding in lua?
02:26 dafull97 =D
02:27 us{0gb I can try. But I'm not going to be as good as the documentation.
02:29 dafull97 i learn hand-to-hand better than documentation
02:29 dafull97 can we start tomarrow?
02:30 us{0gb Okay, works for me.
02:31 ShadowNinja dafull97: Looking at the code of other mods is the best way to learn.
02:31 dafull97 what time?
02:31 NekoGloop But don't look at glooptest, that shit's coded horribly :P
02:31 us{0gb That and reading the Lua and Minetest API documentation.
02:31 us{0gb What time? I don't know when I'll be home.
02:32 us{0gb * NekoGloop slowly scoots glooptest under the table, out of sight
02:32 NekoGloop I mean seriously that is the mod with the worst coding ever, its creator should be ashamed-- oh, right.
02:33 dafull97 hahaha, i still cant t\remove door... when i click to open
02:33 dafull97 when i click it open**
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02:34 us{0gb You need to click and hold.
02:35 dafull97 i do
02:36 dafull97 oh, hahahaha
02:36 dafull97 nevermind
02:36 us{0gb Another option would be to use the left click to open doors.
02:36 us{0gb I mean right click.
02:37 NekoGloop I mean, middle click
02:37 NekoGloop I mean, E button
02:37 NekoGloop I mean, Alt-F4
02:37 NekoGloop fuck windows users
02:37 us{0gb Oh, yeah, what was I thinking? I meant Alt + F4.
02:38 us{0gb Windows users have alt and F4 keys though, I believe.
02:38 NekoGloop Yes but it's a hotkey for "close current application"
02:40 us{0gb Ah, I was unaware. Awesome! Let's do it.
02:40 us{0gb Hmm. It has that effect in GNOME too, not just Windows.
02:40 NekoGloop Yes, because everyone who has anything to do with minetest hates windows
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02:55 thefamilygrog66 morning folks
02:56 us{0gb Good morning!
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03:07 zat I have noticed something in minetest... the viewing range is normally very short
03:08 zat would this be “fixed” soon?
03:08 thefamilygrog66 You can manually change it, zat. + key
03:08 thefamilygrog66 (- to reduce it)
03:09 zat thanks for clarify
03:09 thefamilygrog66 you're welcome
03:09 ShadowNinja Unfourtunately that trick only works well if viewing_range_nodes_min = 0.
03:10 zat however... enlenghteninging the range does make my gpu struggle a bit.
03:11 thefamilygrog66 yeah, embiggening really depends on your graphics card
03:11 zat there should be some way to make far geometries less consuming
03:17 zat ...enlenghteninging
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05:45 Hunterz hi
05:46 Hunterz have minetest server something like console or telnet for executing server commands please?
05:47 ShadowNinja Hunterz: There is the IRC mod + my irc_commands mod or Menche's external_cmd mod.
05:48 Hunterz thanks
05:49 Hunterz is there any mod, which can use skins from minecraft.net or some remote server?
05:51 kaeza a command line interface to the server would be great
05:53 ShadowNinja Hunterz: No, but it could be written with httpfetch or os.execute("wget...")
05:53 kaeza could be doable externally with mods (I'm thinking of luasocket listening on a local socket, but dunno how portable would be to Win32)
05:54 Hunterz which mod for adminstration minetest server do you recommend (need /spawn, /home, /kick /ban /ip-ban etc...)?
05:55 ShadowNinja Hunterz: You will need to write your own mods, but xban and areas are helpfull.
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05:55 ShadowNinja (Once kaezs fixes saving *ahem*)
05:55 Hunterz thanks
05:56 ShadowNinja kaeza*
05:56 * kaeza adds kaezs to the list of misc words to highlight him
05:56 kaeza :P
05:57 ShadowNinja kaeza: Just use a regex hilight rule of .* And you won't miss any of them. :-D
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06:25 kaeza random: http://pastebin.com/fh6DvwiQ
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06:29 john_minetest Good morning everypony
06:32 kaeza mornings john_cephalopony
06:32 * kaeza runs
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06:38 VanessaE hi
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06:38 hoodedice Yo
06:39 hoodedice What is left for 0.4.8 apart from Vmanip?
06:39 hoodedice and shaders with bumpmapping?
06:39 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issu​es?milestone=1&page=1&state=open
06:40 hoodedice Do we even have East Asian players?
06:42 VanessaE I assume so
06:42 hoodedice oh.
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06:46 hoodedice later.
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07:07 Hunterz have minetest some mod for whitelisting players?
07:07 VanessaE no need.
07:07 VanessaE just set your default privileges to not include interact.
07:20 john_minetest OMG: http://www.kittenwar.com/c_im​ages/2013/02/21/213662.2.jpg
07:21 VanessaE haha
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07:31 jin_xi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u011XHmYq1Q
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08:15 Hunterz is possible something like vanish (invisible mode) for admins ?
08:16 VanessaE yes
08:16 VanessaE via the IRC and IRC_commands mods
08:16 VanessaE you can control the server remotely without being on it
08:17 VanessaE (and of course you can chat through there if so desired)
08:17 VanessaE there is also a mod that will execute commands that are written to a file
08:18 VanessaE e.g. echo "/shutdown" >/tmp/somefile
08:18 VanessaE I forget the name of that mod though
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08:22 Hunterz hmmm nice
08:23 * t3o dreamt of blocks
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08:30 kaeza suddenly: vaporware https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7340
08:31 VanessaE "weeping willow and palm trees"
08:32 VanessaE gee I wonder where he'll be getting those :P
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08:58 cy1 VanessaE: I think he's advertising for his particular map, not claiming the palm trees as his own design.
08:58 VanessaE I know
08:59 VanessaE the comment was more directed at how much work he's putting into it, rather than originality of design :)
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09:14 cy1 Aha.
09:14 VanessaE besides, I was just joking :)
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09:42 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Vegetarian Day! :-D
09:46 VanessaE ew, not my day for sure
09:47 VanessaE hi :)
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10:22 bas080 Vegetarian day, the day millions of plants and plant products come to die :(
10:23 VanessaE heh
10:23 VanessaE I guess cornernote will show up eventually :D
10:24 VanessaE bas080: did you see my comments on the forum re: bees?
10:24 bas080 no, am checking
10:24 VanessaE ok
10:24 bas080 i see
10:25 bas080 it would be really hard to recognize a swarm
10:25 VanessaE yeah but it looks weird just..hanging there
10:25 VanessaE plus there's hardly much of a swarm :P
10:26 bas080 more particles?
10:26 Exio4 i'm not vegetarian nor i mean a lot of meal
10:26 Exio4 i'm weird
10:26 VanessaE well to call it a swarm, I'd say so
10:26 Exio4 junk food ftw
10:27 bas080 Wouldn't that just slowdown servers
10:27 VanessaE then you don't need the selection box if there are enough bees
10:27 VanessaE naw
10:27 VanessaE particles only affect clients, not servers.
10:27 VanessaE if you're using a particle spawner that is
10:27 bas080 shared particles do?
10:27 bas080 No i don't think so.
10:27 VanessaE they're entities?
10:27 bas080 no
10:27 bas080 they are particles
10:28 bas080 but i'm spawning every particle individually
10:28 VanessaE ok, then they should only affect clients, and even then you'd need a ton..... ohhh
10:28 bas080 not using an spawner
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10:29 VanessaE you should probably use a particle spawner then
10:29 bas080 i use minetest.add_particle
10:29 bas080 ok
10:29 bas080 will check
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10:38 bas080 particle spawner "^ Playername is optional, if specified spawns particle only on the player's client"
10:38 VanessaE right, you don't want that
10:38 bas080 So it would effect server.
10:38 VanessaE nono
10:38 bas080 ...
10:38 VanessaE that means only on *that* player's client
10:39 VanessaE else everyone sees the particles I think
10:39 Exio4 particles are spawned client-side
10:39 Exio4 for the server they are just a "tell the client that there is a particle spawning, and let it handle how it is working"
10:40 bas080 So if i had 1000 particles it would have to send that information (pos, speed etc to all clients
10:41 Exio4 the particle spawner is there for avoiding that
10:41 Exio4 and the client is the one managing the 1000 particles
10:41 bas080 ok
10:41 bas080 Exio4 i got it
10:41 bas080 ;)
10:42 VanessaE it just says "hey, client.  Please start displaying a stream of 1000 particles with these attributes, and fuck off."
10:42 VanessaE :)
10:46 kaeza literally, "I don't give a sh*t about what you do with these; not my problem"
10:48 VanessaE lol
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10:51 jojoa1997 Hi
10:51 VanessaE hi
10:51 kaeza hi
10:51 jojoa1997 VanessaE and Kaeza what versions of Linux do you use?
10:51 VanessaE Debian sid
10:52 kaeza Ubuntu Precise
10:53 jojoa1997 Do you guys have trusted sources of downloads. My mom trusts Ubuntu but she wants a trusted download source. Also what is better Debian or Ubuntu for begginers?
10:53 VanessaE trusted download source for Ubuntu?
10:54 jojoa1997 As in CNET.com
10:54 VanessaE http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/ for the xfce variant, or http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop for plain ubuntu
10:54 VanessaE those are THE sites to trust.
10:55 jojoa1997 And there goes that
10:55 VanessaE never go to places like C|Net.
10:55 VanessaE for beginners, ubuntu is better.
10:55 jojoa1997 Why not CNET and my mom doesn't trust Ubuntu.com
10:55 kaeza >trusted >cnet
10:55 VanessaE get your mom to the keyboard please.
10:56 VanessaE ubuntu.com is the source of Ubuntu - it's where it comes from.  there literally is no more trustworthy site than that.
10:56 jojoa1997 Yeah. Tried that. Mom is at home and I will not let here know I have and chat on tablet. And
10:56 VanessaE oh
10:56 VanessaE well anyway
10:57 jojoa1997 I am trying to get other trusted sites to refer back to Ubuntu.com
10:57 VanessaE it's ubuntu.com or xubuntu.org or kubuntu.org, depending on which variant you want.
10:58 jojoa1997 Stupid Ubuntu.org
10:58 VanessaE no, .com
10:58 jrabbit unless you mother has state secrets no one is going to make a hacked iso for her
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10:59 jojoa1997|Tablet Lol perfect time to lose connection
10:59 Exio4 VanessaE: debian sid? :D
10:59 Exio4 ince when?
10:59 VanessaE Exio4: mmhmm?
10:59 Exio4 since*
11:00 VanessaE since a while now
11:00 VanessaE motnhs
11:00 VanessaE months*
11:00 Exio4 cute
11:00 VanessaE ?
11:01 * Exio4 uses debian sid too :P
11:01 Exio4 i thought you used xubuntu
11:01 VanessaE I used to.
11:01 jojoa1997|Tablet OK finally what is better
11:01 VanessaE jojoa1997|Tablet: it depends on your usage, but fo rmy money, xfce (xubuntu)
11:02 jojoa1997|Tablet Ubuntu 12.04 or 13.04
11:02 VanessaE 13.04
11:02 VanessaE may as well stick to what's current
11:02 VanessaE though 13.10 will be out soon
11:03 VanessaE looks to be due out about two and a half weeks from now
11:04 bas080 is this one table minpos/maxpos, or two tables?
11:04 VanessaE two tables I guess
11:04 VanessaE I don't know how to use spawners though
11:04 VanessaE *checks api*
11:05 bas080 i keep getting init.lua:199: bad argument #-1 to 'add_particlespawner' (number expected, got nil)
11:05 VanessaE yeah
11:05 bas080 what is #-1?
11:05 VanessaE I expect it wants standard postion tables there.
11:05 VanessaE er, not sure
11:05 bas080 is that the first argument?
11:05 bas080 or the -1 argument?
11:06 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/pull/453#issuecomment-15339468
11:06 VanessaE that may help some
11:08 kaeza bas080, that used to happen on the transition from `minetest.env:' to `minetest.'
11:09 kaeza are you using minetest.env: or plain minetest.add_xxx ?
11:09 bas080 i am
11:09 kaeza ...which one?
11:09 bas080 replaced thnx
11:10 bas080 replaced .env with nothing
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11:10 bas080 so it should be minetest.get.....
11:10 kaeza yep
11:10 bas080 i do keep getting the error
11:11 bas080 init.lua:200: bad argument #-1 to 'add_particlespawner' (number expected, got nil)
11:12 bas080 https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6776948
11:12 bas080 what is wrong with the arguments?
11:12 VanessaE your accel and velocity values
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11:12 VanessaE I think those need to be tables also
11:13 VanessaE well, the accel one, you did the other already
11:13 VanessaE hm, I misread that...
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11:14 bas080 they are
11:14 VanessaE why is time 0?
11:14 VanessaE and number of particles is 0.5?
11:14 VanessaE that's doesn't make any sense?
11:14 bas080 If time is 0 has infinite lifespan and spawns the amount on a per-second base
11:14 bas080 from lua api
11:14 VanessaE oh, didn't see that
11:15 VanessaE set amount to 1?
11:15 bas080 ok
11:15 kaeza bas080, the vel/accel tables must be position tables (i.e. have x, y, and z fields)
11:15 VanessaE you probably don't want infinite lifespan btw
11:16 bas080 kaeza, i think your correct
11:16 VanessaE oh yes
11:16 VanessaE I didn't see that
11:16 bas080 i tend to forget that.
11:17 kaeza would be useful if the engine supported passing simple arrays (as in this case)
11:17 VanessaE aside, you should see the bee stuff with HDX ;)
11:17 bas080 kaeza, i agree
11:18 bas080 ok... new nodebox?
11:18 bas080 btw the spawner works nicely
11:18 kaeza on a similar note, all positions, velocities, and accelerations use the "pos" tables (x, y, z), but nodeboxes and collision boxes use plain arrays
11:18 VanessaE what new nodebox?
11:19 bas080 aside, you should see the bee stuff with HDX
11:19 VanessaE oh
11:19 bas080 have you made a new nodebox too for the HD stuff
11:19 bas080 ?
11:19 VanessaE no, HDX just adds textures
11:19 kaeza that's kinda... inconsistent
11:19 VanessaE there's no reliable way to redefine a node via a texture pac
11:19 VanessaE pack*
11:20 bas080 yes...VanessaE, i will check it soon
11:20 VanessaE take your time
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11:26 xiong Still figuring out pipeworks, specifically the sorting. Please correct me if I'm confused. If a series of similar items enters a plain tube with branches, it will split up and take each branch in strict alternation. Correct?
11:26 VanessaE xiong: sorta
11:27 VanessaE there's a cyclic mode which is on by default
11:27 VanessaE and there's a random mode
11:27 xiong Well, with some hand-waving thrown in.
11:27 VanessaE or something to that effect
11:27 xiong In any case I can reasonably expect each branch to be taken.
11:27 VanessaE *waves hand* this is not the question you were looking for
11:27 VanessaE in the default mode yes
11:28 xiong Well, all of this demands my full attention, I can't imagine a pipeworks remark I would not want to hear.
11:28 VanessaE in the other mode, it's a bit more predictable - items follow a simple "turn right" approach to an intersection I think it is
11:28 VanessaE (nore coded it, so I'm not entirely familiar with it)
11:28 VanessaE the latter option is usually faster
11:28 VanessaE if you're trying to pipe everything to one place that is
11:28 xiong Anyway: Mese sorting, if no exemplar is shown to any branch, will behave just like plain tube. Correct?
11:29 VanessaE for example if you build a wall of nodebreakers on a framed platform, using conductive tubes, you'll want the 'second' option for speed.
11:29 VanessaE yes, I think so
11:29 xiong BR doesn't even offer conductive tubes. I don't know why; it seems a serious omission.
11:29 xiong Anyway...
11:29 VanessaE maybe his copy's just out of date
11:30 xiong If an exemplar is shown on a branch, no item not matching the exemplar will take that branch. Correct?
11:30 VanessaE I think so yes
11:30 xiong Right, that's almost a trivial question.
11:30 VanessaE items will bounce back out of the sorting tube if there's nowhere for them to route to
11:30 VanessaE s/bounce/be rerouted/
11:31 xiong Here's the big one: If an exemplar is shown on a branch and no exemplar is shown on another, then what becomes of items matching the exemplar?
11:31 xiong Do you see the rules conflict in my head?
11:31 VanessaE so it's a good idea to use sorting tubes in pairs - one to do the sorting and one to act as a one-way valve on the main feed (so that rejected items can continue down toward additional tubes)
11:31 VanessaE eh?
11:32 xiong Yes, I always turn off the branch leading backwards.
11:32 xiong Was I unclear?
11:32 VanessaE not so much unclear as overly technical :P
11:32 xiong Overly pedantic is just enough.
11:32 VanessaE I speak plain english this early in the morning ;)
11:32 xiong Concrete example:
11:33 xiong Branch A is not shown any item. Branch B is shown stone. Branch C is turned off. Stone is sent into the mese sorting tube from Branch C. Will it all exit Branch B?
11:34 xiong ... assuming B is not blocked downstream, etc.
11:34 VanessaE no, I think it is supposed to get bounced backwards
11:34 xiong ???
11:35 xiong B is shown stone. Why should stone bounce from that junction?
11:35 xiong Coffee does sound like an awfully good idea.
11:35 VanessaE so your best bet is more like this:
11:35 VanessaE wait.
11:36 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6179215/
11:36 VanessaE with the "upstream" side of the lower sorter turned off.
11:37 VanessaE I believe that's how I did it last time I used it
11:37 xiong I'm more or less totally confused by that picture.
11:37 VanessaE heh
11:37 xiong I mean, it's clear enough what it is. But I don't see relevance to my question.
11:37 VanessaE I guess I can't really answer your question any better than that.
11:38 xiong Once again, I'm unable to communicate.
11:38 xiong Um, I thought I'd worded the question so as to admit of the answers Yes, No, and I don't know.
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11:38 xiong I usually do.
11:38 VanessaE nore didn't really explain it well to me :)
11:39 xiong I've managed to make the question seem more complex than it is, somehow. Sorry.
11:39 VanessaE it's okay
11:39 xiong I'm pretty sure you know, although maybe you don't. Please let me try again.
11:39 VanessaE now you force me to go experiment :P
11:40 xiong Here I say is a long line of mese sorting tube alternating with plain tube. At each junction there is another plain tube and a chest.
11:40 xiong So at each junction, I show to the branch an exemplar of the item I want to go into that chest. Is this clear so far?
11:40 VanessaE exemplar?
11:40 VanessaE you mean example don't you?
11:41 xiong The words are similar.
11:42 xiong An 'example' might be a sample of some group. An 'exemplar' is more specifically a model, an example for imitation.
11:42 xiong Erm, the example is one among many; the exemplar is held up above the rest. Very similar.
11:44 xiong I don't say 'example' because, at the time the exemplar is selected and "shown" to the branch, there is no group from which it has been selected. The group is in the future; the intent is to create the group on the model of the exemplar. Okay?
11:44 bas080 VanessaE, particle spawners are removed when server is restarted
11:44 xiong I say "shown" because there's no obvious other word to describe placing a single item into the right-click form.
11:45 xiong If you want to use other words, that's okay too. I'm trying to speak clearly.
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11:46 xiong At each thing going to a thing, I put a thing into the thing so that things will go into the thing.
11:47 VanessaE ok, I just set up a line of filters.  Each input side is turned off.  Each has a single output to a chest.
11:47 xiong I'm asking the point that, if no exemplar is shown on a branch, then that branch is permissive and all items are free to go that way.
11:47 bas080 i could save the particles table on server shutdown and load it on start
11:47 VanessaE everything not matching the color for the chest output is routed straight on through to the next tube
11:48 xiong So do all items matching the exemplar always take that branch?
11:48 VanessaE yes
11:48 xiong Do you see the rules conflict in my head yet?
11:48 VanessaE and if items feed in that don't match, they go on back out to the nearest unconfigured exit it looks like
11:48 xiong I am not discussing items not matching the exemplar -- at all.
11:48 VanessaE argh
11:49 VanessaE then what ARE you asking?
11:49 VanessaE just speak plainly please
11:49 xiong Okay, again.
11:49 xiong Branch A is permissive; it has nothing shown to it. It will pass all items, right?
11:49 xiong Branch B is shown a stone.
11:49 xiong Branch B will pass only stone, right?
11:49 VanessaE yes
11:49 xiong Branch C is turned off, it will pass nothing. Right?
11:49 sfan5 hi everyone
11:50 VanessaE nothing will go out through branch C I guess, yeah
11:50 VanessaE hi sfan5
11:50 xiong Right. Now according to the previous three rules, it is not fully determined which way stone will go.
11:50 VanessaE the stone will go to branch B, period.
11:50 xiong Stone entering from Branch C is permitted to exit A, because A passes all items.
11:51 VanessaE nope, because branch B has a match set for stone, stone will exit through that branch no matter where it comes in from
11:51 xiong This does not seem to be the actual case! But according to the rules just stated, it should be.
11:51 xiong So there is yet another rule, and this is what I've been scratching at all along.
11:52 VanessaE I just tried it out here in singleplayer.  lag aside, that's what it did.
11:52 xiong Let me propose this and see if you agree: If an exemplar is shown to any branch of a junction, then matching items are forbidden to exit any other branch of the same junction. Yes?
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11:53 BlockMen hi everyone
11:53 VanessaE hang on, having a problem with something.
11:53 VanessaE hi BlockMen
11:53 xiong Hi, hi.
11:54 xiong How many of you are there? Just curious.
11:54 * xiong coffee smells
11:54 bas080 so many bees! https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4199​67/Screenshots/screenshot_1943927302.png
11:55 VanessaE hm, I see the conflict now, xiong
11:55 VanessaE bas080: nice!
11:55 xiong Right. Because when a plain tube allows two exits, the input is split among them (maybe).
11:55 BlockMen bas080, looks kinda natural. good work
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11:56 bas080 :)
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11:56 BlockMen oh, btw..i used 3 textures of you in my pyramids mod (like you suggested)
11:56 VanessaE xiong: the only way to ensure items go where you want is to make sure every color on a sorting tube has a match set for it, and to use multiple sorting tubes in a cascade layout
11:56 xiong Ostensibly, the mese sorting might be set up so that, taken branch by branch, more than one exit is allowed for, say, stone. In my experience, all the stone takes the branch marked out for it. But I want to know if I can rely on this.
11:56 BlockMen is cc-by-sa ok?
11:57 dafull97 *Hello All!
11:57 Evergreen This guy's sense of color coordination is completely off:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7342
11:57 Evergreen Hi dafull97
11:57 VanessaE you can, yes.  If the items can get into the tube to begin with, and there's a match for that item, it *will* go toward the matching side for sure.
11:57 dafull97 Evergreen....
11:57 dafull97 hahahaha
11:57 xiong Ah, but that's not possible, VanessaE. Because each branch can only have a maximum of 6 exemplars given; and that means that any sorting system is limited to a total of 30 types.
11:57 xiong Never mind my last remark.
11:57 VanessaE the only real inconsistency is with non-matching items entering from certain sides, but there's probably a pattern to that.
11:58 xiong I was responding to what you'd said previously.
11:58 VanessaE if you're cascading sorting tubes, you just have to make sure each tube responds to no more than 6 items (one per color)
11:58 xiong If two or more branches are permissive -- by which I mean no exemplar given -- then items entering may leave by either. That's fine.
11:58 VanessaE yeah
11:59 VanessaE hi dafull97
11:59 xiong Ah, sorry. I realize this seems to be kind of... dweezely. But then I'm a very dweezely guy.
11:59 dafull97 Hello VanessaE...
12:00 xiong I've spent many hours proving beyond the least shadow of doubt that something that is, patently, obviously, and clearly a square... really is a square.
12:00 xiong Nor did I feel the time wasted. :)
12:00 xiong Thanks for the discussion, VanessaE. I'll be getting back to my blocks now.
12:01 VanessaE hope I helped.
12:02 dafull97 is us ogb here?
12:03 dafull97 0gb*
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12:03 Evergreen nope
12:03 Nocte| Hmm.. Could somebody link me the furniture mods again? My laptop crashed when I was playing. :|
12:04 Nocte| I forgot to save the links.
12:04 dafull97 oh he will be teaching me Lua =D
12:04 VanessaE lrfurn, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5407 -- homedecor, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=26061 -- cottages, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5120
12:08 Nocte| Thanks. :]
12:09 Nocte| Do I need anything else to get those to work?
12:09 Nocte| (Homedecor + Cottages.)
12:09 VanessaE afaik, no.  they should all be usable separately.
12:09 VanessaE but homedecor recommends moreores and moreblocks.
12:13 Nocte| Okay, installed the mods.
12:14 Nocte| Hmm... I guess I could try out multiplayer at some point.
12:15 bas080 bees mod pushed
12:16 * dafull97 is bored, at school
12:18 VanessaE bas080: pulled :)
12:18 Nocte| Not a shocker... @dafull97.
12:19 bas080 VanessaE, was the flora group a real thing?
12:19 bas080 or did i think of that?
12:19 VanessaE yes
12:19 bas080 ok
12:19 bas080 ...
12:19 VanessaE it's used by default flowers for the spawning abm
12:19 Nocte| I'm going to start a mine near my house... :D Also, is it possible to build 'walls'?
12:19 bas080 ok, so am being consistent to a certain extent. good to know.
12:20 Nocte| Or does that simply take too much time and effort?
12:21 VanessaE walls?
12:21 Nocte| Medieval stone walls. :D
12:21 VanessaE DanDuncombe's castles mod
12:22 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net​/viewtopic.php?pid=109594
12:22 VanessaE or you could use the default cobble and stone bricks nodes too
12:22 VanessaE depends on your tastes
12:22 VanessaE bas080: don't you have some kind of tapestries mod that would fit well with that ^^^^^^
12:22 VanessaE ?
12:23 Nocte| Heh.
12:23 bas080 VanessaE, flags mod... but i don't have tapestry
12:23 bas080 carpet mod...
12:23 VanessaE hm, I coulda sworn there was one somewehre.
12:24 bas080 from Jordach
12:24 bas080 but that just a floor node
12:25 VanessaE bas080: oh this is nice, good job
12:25 VanessaE like a real swarm now
12:26 VanessaE ow, I think I just got stung :P
12:28 VanessaE I might suggest keeping them closer to their spawn point
12:28 VanessaE they seem to fly a rather long distance away from it
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12:30 VanessaE yeah, you should do that.  reduce the max distance to about a third of what it is now
12:30 e1z0 is it possible to build static minecraft build on linux/unix ?
12:30 e1z0 btw, good day
12:30 VanessaE e1z0: minecraft?
12:30 VanessaE er
12:30 e1z0 oh
12:30 e1z0 sorry
12:30 e1z0 lol
12:30 e1z0 just woke up, brains not working
12:30 e1z0 i mean minetest
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12:31 Nocte| How do I place these window shutters correctly?
12:32 VanessaE they're intended to be placed on walls next to windows, but the work on floors also
12:32 dafull97 e1z0, you were right the first time too.... hahaha
12:32 VanessaE (I've seen them used for heater/AV vents, for example)
12:33 e1z0 whut ?
12:33 Nocte| Ah. :|
12:33 Nocte| I see, what do I need for glass windows?
12:33 VanessaE Nocte|: they don't have to be glass.  but you cook sand to get glass.
12:33 e1z0 if i build all required libs, as STATIC in gentoo, and them copy them alongside with minetest i think it should work
12:34 Nocte| Cooking sand? How. o.o
12:34 VanessaE in a furnace
12:34 VanessaE C C C
12:34 VanessaE C - C
12:34 VanessaE C C C
12:34 VanessaE C = cobble
12:34 Nocte| Okay..
12:34 Nocte| I got a furnace.. So I better get sand.
12:34 xiong If I build a server with more memory and alter standard settings, will I be able to run pipeworks, mesecons, and technic when no player is actually standing there watching it go?
12:34 Nocte| Does Desert Sand work?
12:35 VanessaE Nocte|: tes
12:35 VanessaE yes*
12:35 VanessaE xiong: no
12:35 VanessaE you have to be near those things, because of how the server architecture works
12:35 xiong What can be done?
12:35 VanessaE you can extend the max active blocks range easily
12:35 VanessaE but someone has to be online.
12:35 xiong Ah, there we go.
12:35 VanessaE but I guess it's exponential
12:36 dafull97 xiong, do you play Darksides server still?
12:36 Nocte| Better get some of that coal... :|
12:36 xiong Right. Is there a place I should go to study up on 'max active blocks range'?
12:36 VanessaE Nocte|: you can use leaves too
12:36 xiong dafull97, I come in and out.
12:36 xiong Why?
12:37 VanessaE xiong: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/b​lob/master/minetest.conf.example#L256
12:37 xiong Oh wait. Do you mean Dark Lord? So much darkness...
12:37 xiong We need better names for servers.
12:37 * xiong reads
12:37 Nocte| And after I get the glass. How am I going to make a window out of it?
12:38 VanessaE Nocte|: just place some glass?
12:38 xiong Just place them Nocte|. Easy.
12:38 VanessaE you know, lay down some cobble or whatever, place some glass, more cobble, etc until you have a nice lookign
12:38 xiong If you like, you can install various mods that allow for more variety in glass.
12:38 VanessaE looking wall
12:38 VanessaE then add those shutters next to the glas
12:38 VanessaE glass*
12:38 VanessaE they do not open/close, mind oyu
12:38 VanessaE oyu*
12:38 VanessaE ARGH!
12:39 Nocte| Woot. :D A Mine building and a home ready.. :D
12:40 xiong Okay, then, strategic question, VanessaE. To allow more operation of the higher technical mods, would you suggest revving up all these numbers? Because I smell burning insulation after about 3 or 5. Or constructing dummy players to hold down the fort while real players are gone?
12:40 VanessaE bas080: hm, the couple of swarms that were present have disappeared because the blocks there were in were unloaded.
12:40 xiong I'm thinking of an 'igor' mod that allows players to spawn some number of dummy players, which stand around and do nothing except keep the chunk loaded and the machines running.
12:41 xiong That expands the activity selectively instead of indiscriminately. Yes?
12:41 bas080 i use the on_destruct to remove the particle spawner
12:41 VanessaE xiong: I wouldn't take it above 3 or 4 at most.  "dummy" players is your best bet but I don't know how to do that.
12:41 VanessaE bas080: oh, it eventually came back
12:42 xiong Neither do I; but I see something along that line as doable.
12:42 Nocte| So much coal. o.o
12:42 VanessaE bas080: make the max distance from the swarm smaller, they're flying way too far imho
12:42 bas080 VanessaE. prpably lag
12:42 bas080 VanessaE, i agree
12:42 VanessaE bas080: I'd say make it 1/3 to 1/2 the current distance.
12:42 VanessaE or better:
12:43 bas080 i'll play with the velocity and speed vars
12:43 bas080 yes?
12:43 VanessaE make it really small, say 2 or 3 meters, and a *second* particle spawner that sends an occasional scout out say 20 meters
12:43 VanessaE that way you get a *real* swarm but the occasional bee strays from the swarm to scout around a bit
12:44 VanessaE (maybe one scout per 5 seconds or so)
12:44 bas080 VanessaE. that would be realistic
12:44 VanessaE *nod*
12:44 bas080 atm, working on vines. Fixing the shear tool.
12:44 * VanessaE watches her cat cram herself into a little box.  just because :)
12:45 bas080 cats are weird like that.
12:45 VanessaE yup
12:45 VanessaE the other one doesn't do that.  she just parks herself on the bed or on top of my computer
12:45 Hunterz hmm irc module and command works, nice...
12:45 dafull97 xiong, i have land right beside you haha
12:46 VanessaE Hunterz: yes, I use it.  very useful
12:46 xiong Eh?
12:46 xiong Do you want mine, dafull97?
12:47 xiong I don't even think I know which server you mean.
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12:47 VanessaE bas080: don't forget to fix the issue where simply punching a vine makes it rot
12:48 VanessaE (happens to willow and regular vines)
12:48 bas080 VanessaE, i'm working on exactly that. The "how to get vines".
12:48 VanessaE ok
12:49 Nocte| What's the biggest amount of some rare-ish ore that you have found in a cave system btw?
12:49 dafull97 i think you are the rught person haha
12:49 VanessaE gold, probably
12:49 VanessaE depends on the balance you want between "rare" and "amount"
12:49 dafull97 how log will you be on irc, xiong?
12:50 Nocte| Gold ore? How many? :p
12:50 VanessaE the rarer it is, the less you find, though when I played on redcrab's server, I managed to find a significant quantity of mithril
12:50 VanessaE oh, a couple dozen mithrol, a bit more gold
12:50 VanessaE mese is more common than one might think
12:50 VanessaE er mithril*
12:50 VanessaE brb
12:51 Nocte| I only could find 17 Iron... Not that big of a haul.
12:53 Hunterz how name have mod for logging node changes ? like logblock for bukkit pls
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12:56 Evergreen Nocte|: I have been playing on redcrab's server for a long time, and I have collected two chests full of iron, and 20 stacks of mese blocks
12:56 Evergreen (before mese was an ore, and just spawned as a block)
12:58 kaeza Hunterz, it's not a mod
12:58 kaeza it's included by default, you just need to enable it
12:58 kaeza (BTW, rollback is the name of the system)
12:59 kaeza it's a logging and "undo" mechanism
12:59 kaeza "enable_rollback_recording = true" in minetest.conf to enable
13:00 Nocte| Ah.
13:01 Nocte| I've already mined quite deep. o.o
13:01 kaeza Hunterz, BTW, I see you're liking IRC mod :-)
13:01 Hunterz :)
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13:01 TheSprtCz Hi
13:01 Hunterz hi sprt :)
13:01 Nocte| Damn, this is addicting. :|
13:02 Nocte| I hope I don't spend countless hours in this game.
13:02 kaeza Hunterz, feel free to stick the bot in ##mt-irc-mod if you want (and hang around there of coursE)
13:02 kaeza hi TheSprtCz
13:02 dafull97 im hoping by next week i can start making simple mods =D
13:02 Nocte| I have to practice playing guitar too. >:[
13:02 VanessaE Hunterz: pay attention to the size of your log file.  it can grow very rapidly on busy servers.
13:02 VanessaE you may have to delete it once in a while.
13:03 Nocte| At least I can blame something if I don't do that well. ;)
13:03 Evergreen Oh and kaeza, now that I use xfce aseprite works like a charm
13:03 Evergreen Thanks for pointing it out
13:03 xiong dafull97, I don't know how to say this politely, dafull97; I don't mean to be rude. But whatever you want to say to me, you should say it all at once and now.
13:03 kaeza Evergreen, \o/
13:03 kaeza yes, I don't know what's going on with Unity :/
13:04 kaeza np
13:06 Hunterz logging node changes will be better into some database, then flush for example entries 2 weeks old...
13:07 Hunterz is there any ingame lookup tool for node changes?
13:07 VanessaE Hunterz: I would agree but as it stands, it's logged to a plain text file
13:07 VanessaE yes, /rollback_check <radius> <#seconds>
13:07 VanessaE will tell you who last changed the node
13:07 Hunterz nice
13:07 Hunterz thanks
13:08 TheSprtCz I try to compiling a minetest on debian, but i return error code 2, can someone help me?
13:08 VanessaE TheSprtCz: pastebin the entire error output
13:08 TheSprtCz ok
13:08 VanessaE use pastebin.com or similar
13:10 Hunterz hmm will be fine for example wooden pickaxe bind to rollback command
13:10 dafull97 xiong, so such as in one line of text?
13:10 Hunterz like logblock on bukkit
13:10 VanessaE well you could do that but it isn't necessary
13:10 Exio4 make a proper tool
13:10 Exio4 not wooden pickaxe
13:10 VanessaE you'd have to modify the tool itself to do it though
13:11 VanessaE also worldedit has the //inspect on command
13:11 VanessaE which tells you the node you punched
13:11 Exio4 called "rollback helper" and so
13:11 Hunterz hmmm
13:11 VanessaE (though it doesn't check the rollback)
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13:11 xiong dafull97, you're demanding my attention without actually saying anything or asking anything -- without going anywhere. It will probably take you some time to understand what I just said. Until then, I'm sorry, I just can't devote my attention in this fashion.
13:12 dafull97 xiong, im confused... sorry what ever i did... expalin one more time so i won't do it again...
13:12 dafull97 explain*
13:12 Hunterz rollback command reads from logfile?
13:12 VanessaE Hunterz: yes
13:12 VanessaE worldfolder/rollback.txt or something like that
13:13 VanessaE (separate from the server's debug log)
13:13 Nocte| Hehe... :]
13:13 Hunterz ok
13:13 Nocte| Finally decorated the house.
13:13 Hunterz sprt pm...
13:14 Nocte| O.o
13:14 Nocte| Found a pyramid in the viewing distance.
13:15 TheSprtCz BTW: is here an coredev or there're in different room?
13:15 Hunterz exist some mod which can restrict number of mobs/entities per area/chunk or similar ?
13:16 VanessaE there already is a global limit (49 per mapblock, by default)
13:16 Hunterz ok
13:16 VanessaE most mods that add entities are able to set limits also
13:17 VanessaE (the TNT mod is an exception to that - I was playing with it in singleplayer earlier and it can make massive numbers of dropped blocks :D and huge holes in the ground :D :D )
13:17 dafull97 VanessaE, and other server Hosters... Question on a Server... when i walk and stuff... sometimes it sends me back to where i came from... and server says moved too fast resetting location, any ideas why it would do that?
13:17 Nocte| Never go to a pyramid.
13:17 Nocte| Never.
13:17 Hunterz is there any other dimensions exept nether ?
13:17 VanessaE Nocte|: not without a sword in hand anyway
13:17 VanessaE Hunterz: nether isn't part of the default game.
13:17 VanessaE by default, it's just the overworld
13:18 Hunterz found nether mod
13:18 VanessaE but there are mods that add nether, as you found, and a few different skyland thigns
13:18 VanessaE like nyancat heaven, floatlands, etc.
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13:18 VanessaE I don't know of any "aether" mod though
13:18 kaeza tetris land? :]
13:18 Hunterz :)
13:18 Hunterz yesterday found interisting chess mod
13:19 kaeza awww... jin_xi isn't here
13:19 VanessaE dafull97: lag.  anticheat will do that.
13:19 VanessaE disable antichear.
13:19 Nocte| Found my home again. Woot. :D
13:19 VanessaE anticheat*
13:19 kaeza you chearer you!
13:19 Hunterz what? in the minetest are cheats?
13:19 dafull97 ok, i thought it had somthing to do with that  :/ what all can people do with anti-cheat disabled?
13:20 Hunterz flyhack, xray? oh no
13:20 VanessaE Hunterz: not exactly cheats so much as protections against possible cheating, yeah
13:20 dafull97 would it be as bad as a FPS Game?
13:20 VanessaE it's not like you can't modify a client to give you those things, but it's up to the server to decide if you can actually DO anything with you
13:20 VanessaE them*
13:21 dafull97 so they would have to hack through the server?
13:21 Hunterz is there any protection against xray texturepacks?
13:21 VanessaE for anything important, yeah
13:21 TheSprtCz vanessaE: http://pastebin.com/m3hkfzdc here is an error
13:21 VanessaE Hunterz: not that I know of.
13:21 Nocte| With Pyramid mod, this game became a dungeon crawler. :|
13:21 VanessaE Hunterz: but there is protection against being able to GET to the things you're seeing
13:21 kaeza to prevent wallhacks (aka "xrays") the server would have to  calculate which client sees which other client
13:21 BlockMen new wallpaper: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com​/s/92nhbpd3d63qdma/mt_block3.png :)
13:22 Hunterz nice
13:22 kaeza that could be very computationally expensive
13:22 Nocte| Damn those lava traps in pyramids. :|
13:23 Evergreen I had an idea for a minimalistic minetest background, might try to do it at one point
13:24 VanessaE Hunterz: if you can read the codebase and you can find ways to enhance those protections, please tell us
13:24 xiong Okay, here's another pipeworks question: How can I get items to exit a system as entities? That is to say, I want a nozzle or output faucet. I have now a length of plain tube and items do exit it; but they don't go in the expected direction. It's like an ordinary kitchen faucet with a finger over the end, spraying in a random direction.
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13:24 VanessaE for tubes, you just have to run a circuit to somewhere and just let it hang there.
13:24 VanessaE for water pipes, you have to use a spigot.
13:24 dafull97 Vanessaso they would have to hack through the server?
13:24 VanessaE but you can't make the water exit as entities out of a water pipe
13:25 dafull97 VanessaE, they would have to hack through the server? and sorry typo
13:25 VanessaE dafull97: to do anything particularly useful with a hacked client, pretty much yeah.
13:25 VanessaE otherwise the most a person can do is fly and maybe noclip.  whoop-de-doo :)
13:25 dafull97 K, thanks!
13:26 Nocte| Hmm: I found a cave system inside my mine.
13:26 VanessaE xiong: so basically what you see is how it is for now.
13:26 xiong No, VanessaE; other items, specifically leaves in this case, although I have other uses in mind. Is there any way to control the direction of exit?
13:26 Hunterz simple will be use mod, which detect on client unwanted texture on stone for example
13:26 VanessaE no, there's no way to control that as far as I know
13:26 VanessaE well
13:26 VanessaE actually there *sorta* is
13:26 Nocte| Not a cave system.. But normal cave.
13:27 VanessaE if you run a tube circuit and you end the tube going *vertically*, the items will pop out right at the end
13:27 VanessaE so you could run a horizontal tube, then bend down at the last meter and let things drop right there.
13:27 VanessaE but that's about the most of it
13:29 xiong Hm. Well, I'll live with it. Actually I tried the last meter straight down... and the items popped out to the side, unexpectedly.
13:30 Nocte| Found some copper.
13:30 xiong It's a long way to the top... if you wanna rock 'n' roll.
13:30 VanessaE weird
13:30 VanessaE they shouldn't do that.
13:30 xiong I'll just move the goal. ;)
13:31 bas080 i just copied the group of default:leaves to vines:side but leafdecay function will still not work even if it is not near wood group
13:31 bas080 what is going on?
13:32 dafull97 well gotta change classes, ttya later
13:32 xiong Engineering solution of last resort: Move the goal.
13:33 xiong Now it works perfectly. :)
13:34 Nocte| Is there anyone who would want to do multiplayer? I could try that out.
13:35 VanessaE bas080: no clue on that
13:38 Nocte| Hmm.. I stumbled upon gravel while mining.
13:38 Nocte| Should I dig deeper or go to another direction?
13:39 BlockMen bas080, is param2 = 1 ?
13:39 bas080 paramtype2 = "wallmounted",
13:40 bas080 some happens to all faces
13:40 bas080 so doesn't matter what direction it faces
13:40 BlockMen ok, i guess then it wont work. if param2 is ~= 0 then it wont decay
13:40 BlockMen https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/b​lob/master/mods/default/functions.lua#L227
13:42 bas080 BlockMen, this might be helpfull thnx
13:42 e1z0 so is it possible to make minetest build on linux/unix more static
13:42 Nocte| BTW, is Gravel located near water?
13:42 e1z0 bundled with all required libs
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13:46 Hunterz is there any chat formating mod, like prefixes, colors etc?
13:49 VanessaE no
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13:50 john_minetest perfect!
13:50 john_minetest VanessaE: iirc you made a larger font for minetest. Why isn't it upstream? It would be a great improvement.
13:50 VanessaE because no one who can commit it likes it I guess
13:51 VanessaE everyone's hung up on truetype
13:51 VanessaE freetype, whatevr
13:51 john_minetest I prefer to have readable text over scalable text
13:51 john_minetest or whatever
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13:52 VanessaE I think it has more to do with the character support than scalability
13:52 VanessaE e.g. multi-language support
13:53 hoodedice What does?
13:53 VanessaE afaik bitmap fonts only support a subset of ISO-8859 while freetype is most of UTF-8 or something similar.
13:53 john_minetest The font that is used now also doesn't support all languages iirc
13:53 john_minetest well, anyways, gtg again
13:53 hoodedice lol.
13:53 kahrl john_minetest, a fallback font for east asian languages was added recently
13:53 hoodedice THAT bug again
13:54 john_minetest kahrl: Anyways, a larger font would make the game a lot more accessable and also playable on monitors with more than 800x600 resolution
13:54 hoodedice (Lemme guess : Droid Sans? Arial?)
13:55 kahrl droid sans
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13:56 kahrl are any of the popular builds even without freetype?
13:56 hoodedice Hey, for a LAN game where the admin is a n00b, should he use mintest server.exe or minetest.exe
13:56 hoodedice in the cmd?
13:57 hoodedice http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki​/Setting_up_a_server#Windows
13:57 VanessaE kahrl: by now, surely not, but the default font is hard to read for bad eyes
13:58 kahrl hoodedice: minetest.exe, because minetestserver.exe isn't built by default
13:58 hoodedice Thanks. Plus, how do I host a server with a different 'game'?
13:58 hoodedice (PilzTest)
13:59 kahrl "--gameid pilztest" should do it
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13:59 kahrl VanessaE: I don't have a problem with it so I can't judge that
13:59 hoodedice Cool. Thanks a lot
14:00 * Nocte| pokes interest check for multiplayer.
14:01 xiong Must flowers also be watched for them to spread?
14:01 Nocte| Is there a way to have private multiplayer btw?
14:02 VanessaE xiong: I think abms get 'stacked up' so you don't have to watch them
14:02 VanessaE but that doesn't work for everything
14:03 xiong Dunno, VanessaE. I planted flowers a day ago and none new when I returned. I planted in a strict grid so I'd be sure to notice; and plenty of opportunity for spreading. However, I got a few new strawberry bushes, which seem to spawn from nothing.
14:04 VanessaE well flowers do spawn *very* slowly as I understand
14:05 BlockMen john_minetest, does font_size not work?! -> https://github.com/minetest/minetest/b​lob/master/minetest.conf.example#L190
14:05 Nocte| :|
14:05 kahrl xiong: how dense is that grid?
14:07 kahrl BlockMen, he was talking about non-truetype fonts
14:07 kahrl which ignore font_size
14:08 xiong Square grid, kahrl; seed flowers each 4 meters; torches in a similar grid offset 2 meters in each direction.
14:08 xiong Flat dirt, most of it dirt_with_grass. I notice it doesn't green up in daylight when I'm absent, either.
14:08 kahrl try changing it to 5 meters or more
14:09 kahrl 4 meters sounds too dens
14:09 kahrl +e
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14:09 xiong Really? That's 3 meters of empty dirt in every direction, except for the torch. That's a lotta room.
14:09 bas080 i don't understand the choice for using param2 ~= 0 to disable leafdecay
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14:10 xiong I mean, I've seen much denser natural flower beds. I understand the need for room to spread; but how do the natural beds get so dense?
14:10 kahrl those are made by the mapgen, not the abm
14:11 * xiong whines piteously at the thought of replacing a hundred items
14:11 kahrl or program yourself a gardener NPC ;)
14:11 xiong I guess the intention is to keep flowers from overrunning the map.
14:12 CraigyDavi Would anyone know what the proble is with this: http://pastebin.com/17qf9DF3
14:12 xiong Well, kahrl; earlier I was discussing with VE the possibility of the 'igor' mod, which would create dummy players to watch the technic.
14:12 CraigyDavi It says init.lua failed to run
14:12 CraigyDavi crafting is on different init.lua
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14:14 kahrl CraigyDavi: look in the terminal, it should tell you the line that failed
14:14 CraigyDavi okay ill try that
14:16 kahrl xiong: as in players that keep blocks loaded?
14:22 xiong Yah. Except they're dummies.
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14:22 xiong Maybe they could also do something. But that gets complicated.
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14:23 xiong I guess anybody can fire up a second instance of the client and just stick a guy in his house to watch his technic. That might be misconstrued, though.
14:24 xiong Besides, I've seen some really aggressive chunk unloading. Half your house vanishes behind your back.
14:24 xiong 'igor' should mill around, stopped by walls and closed doors, roaming more or less randomly, for some value of 'random'.
14:25 xiong Actually, that's not even smart enough to be a hunchbacked drooling assistant. Better to call it 'rover' and make it a dog.
14:26 kahrl entities can't keep blocks loaded, can they?
14:26 xiong Ha, no, worse; loose entities bug out of sight. Sometimes they vanish, sometimes they duplicate.
14:27 xiong 'rover' would not be an entity but a... generated player.
14:27 xiong Probably want strict limits on the number of watchdogs a single player can create... like 3.
14:28 xiong Also, if one wanders too far from where it's spawned, it "goes wild" and is never seen again -- the dummy client quits.
14:29 xiong So be sure to close your doors behind you. Or at least build a solid, 1-meter tall wall around your yard.
14:29 xiong Finally, a really practical use for picket fences.
14:31 bas080 Vines pushed, VanessaE, could you revise it to be sure it's what the people want https://github.com/bas080/vines
14:31 VanessaE you mean review?\
14:31 bas080 yes
14:31 VanessaE sure, shortly
14:32 VanessaE ok, it's deployed to the servers.
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14:33 xiong Sorry, I love dogs. I didn't mean to say "not smart enough, make it a dog". I ought to have said "not dexterous enough for a hunchbacked Igor, make it a dog".
14:34 Krock minetest keeps using 99% of my CPU, is that needed?
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14:41 Hunterz what with screen still try to look down, like something take my mouse and move down?
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14:43 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
14:44 bas080 VanessaE The public mine near spawn looks epic
14:44 bas080 Hey PilzAdam
14:44 Krock hi pilz
14:44 sfan5 hi PilzAdam
14:45 Nocte| What's up?
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14:48 xiong kahrl, I have now gone to a grid on 6 m centers, since it was easier to change to that. Still no flower spreading. Are the torches an issue? Must the entire region around the seed flower be clear?
14:48 kahrl pretty sure only flora is important
14:49 Hunterz ah, minetest have some problem witch touchpad on my laptop
14:49 xiong Okay. So it's two grids, each on 6 m centers, each offset from the other by 3 m in each direction.
14:50 Hunterz when are only touchpad, mouselook still try to look up
14:50 Hunterz if connect usb mouse there is no problem
14:50 xiong No flower is as close as 5 m to any other; and there are no trees, bushes, grasses, or other detritus.
14:50 xiong I know they're slow to grow, I may just have to wait.
14:51 VanessaE bas080: you like? :D
14:54 bas080 VanessaE, allot, i noticed a feature. When you have a letter you can drop it in the mailbox by right clicking it with letter in hand
14:54 bas080 Who made that feature?
14:54 VanessaE I don't remember :P
14:57 bas080 I tested the vines and they seem to be working as intended. There is still a little feature that has to be worked on. The wear of the shear tool only works on vines and not on leaves etc.
15:04 xiong Okay, great, kahrl; I got a little growth. Not much but whatever I'm doing doesn't rule it out.
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15:11 Jordach afternoon
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15:12 Jordach sfan5, want a texutured and fluffy kitty>
15:12 sfan5 yes
15:12 Hunterz will be possible add invert mouse checkbox to gui?
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15:35 jojoa1997 hi
15:35 dafull97 hey
15:39 Nocte| Whoa. Another cave in the mine!
15:39 Jordach Nocte|, my problem too
15:39 Jordach i usually find caves within my quarries
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15:40 kotolegokot Hi.
15:40 Nocte| Hmm..
15:40 Nocte| This one is quite large.
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15:42 Nocte| Copper!
15:44 Nocte| Damn it, why no iron? >:[ jordach, hehe. That must be annoying.
15:49 Nocte| Hmph. And died to a mob.
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15:50 * Nocte| could play some Multiplayer if anyone is interested.
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16:02 Jordach sfan5, somewhat textured the kitty
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16:10 mahomet that's right.
16:11 VanessaE what's right?
16:12 mahomet myself, of course
16:12 VanessaE fair enough :P
16:13 mahomet anyway, someone ought to update the FreeBSD Ports minetest port
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16:20 Nocte| BTW, why are some mobs in black?
16:20 zat thats racist.
16:20 Nocte| Its like they are missing the texture or something.
16:21 zat problem with blacks?
16:21 zat http://i.imgur.com/WHDN6.png
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16:21 VanessaE it's a lighting bug, Nocte|
16:21 VanessaE been that way for a long while
16:22 Peacock i always thought that was lag
16:22 VanessaE nope
16:22 VanessaE some kind of indexing issue I think
16:23 Peacock players tend to blacken when they log onto my server until its done loading
16:23 Nocte| Ah. I see.
16:23 Nocte| Are any of the public servers active?
16:24 Peacock no
16:24 VanessaE sure, there are many
16:24 VanessaE http://minetest.net/servers
16:24 VanessaE all of those are active (the list is updated every few minutes)
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16:24 Dan_D Hi
16:25 VanessaE hi dan
16:25 Nocte| I deleted my world because there was some damned mob in the cave inside my mine that killed me.
16:25 Peacock the flags column is pretty useless, description could be bigger
16:25 Dan_D Why not just remove the mod Nocte|?
16:25 Nocte| Nah.
16:25 Nocte| That would get boring.
16:26 Dan_D No, uninstall, then re-install once the mob entity had gone
16:26 Dan_D Or run /clearobjects
16:26 dafull97 Hey all
16:27 Dan_D VanessaE, did I just time out on your server?
16:27 Dan_D I stopped being able to move, then client crashed
16:27 VanessaE idk
16:27 Peacock dand, its a feature :P
16:27 VanessaE looks like it
16:27 Dan_D It has happened before on Creative
16:27 Peacock smoke_break_prediction() XD
16:28 Dan_D Ha.
16:28 Dan_D Ha.
16:28 Dan_D No.
16:28 Peacock *HoHoHo
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16:28 * dafull97 is ready to go home
16:29 Dan_D Also VanessaE, the server is extremely laggy right now.
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16:29 * Nocte| wants to play multi. :[
16:29 VanessaE oh?
16:29 VanessaE cpu usage seems okay
16:29 VanessaE must be network lag
16:29 dangrothe How long does it take for dropped items to disappear?
16:29 VanessaE or this congressional sesion we're listening to
16:29 Peacock forever, mouhahaha
16:30 VanessaE dangrothe: 10 minutes I think?
16:30 Dan_D The lag has stopped
16:30 Peacock oh they actually go away now? nice
16:30 dafull97 Dan_D, thats weird
16:31 Dan_D VanessaE, can you check in the player radar code that as well as displaying the range as y*3, it actually uses the range of y*3
16:31 gnu\mahomet radar eh
16:31 Dan_D In Camo Modpack
16:31 * VanessaE looks
16:32 Dan_D It is just it appears to count radar range as 51 for example, but I go off the screen when about 3 nodes away
16:32 VanessaE yeah, I think that's right
16:32 Dan_D Weird
16:32 VanessaE oh
16:33 Dan_D Can you pastebin the fixed code?
16:33 VanessaE well for starters, don't use math.pow to square a number.  Just multiply the number by itself.  it's faster that way
16:33 VanessaE otherwise your math looks right
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16:34 Dan_D I used the original mod, just made it y*3 instead of y/2
16:34 VanessaE the table of coordinates, I don't get why you have all those hard-coded values in there
16:34 Peacock glad rba is back, check this out: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=112788#p112788
16:34 Dan_D I don't know,ask the original creator
16:35 VanessaE Peacock: inb4 "that's no moon"...
16:35 Peacock just being able to replace the moon with other planets, would add to the variety of games
16:35 Peacock *different games
16:36 Calinou that's not a moon! </old Minecraft splash>
16:36 * Peacock watches calinou gallop away
16:36 Peacock :P
16:36 Dan_D Currently VanessaE, with my current radar setup on server, says radar_range = 36, but actual range is about 6
16:36 VanessaE Calinou: "not a moon"?  tell Mojang to hand in their geek cards.  They are hereby revoked.
16:37 Peacock he hasn't been involved with MC in quite a while
16:37 VanessaE Dan_D: maybe "range" as stated = diameter?
16:37 kaeza Peacock, AFAIK the thing is implemented using a regular mesh, so basically you could replace it with anything you want
16:37 VanessaE well no
16:37 VanessaE that's wrong too
16:37 Calinou VanessaE: they fixed it on Minecraft 1.08
16:37 * VanessaE shrugs
16:37 Calinou 1.8*
16:37 Calinou it used to be "that's not a moon", that's why I said "old"
16:37 Dan_D IDK VanessaE
16:37 * kaeza expects someone to use a sheep from MOBF as skybox :P
16:38 Peacock kaeza multiple sattelites would be cool too, like 2 moons, 2 stars, or a combo of moon + star+ planet, etc.
16:38 Jordach can't we just have a texturable sun moon
16:38 Jordach i'd be happy
16:38 Dan_D Should I just remove radar?
16:38 Peacock jordach don't really know what's holding it up
16:38 Dan_D Or maybe adjust some values again
16:38 Peacock most seem in favour
16:39 Dan_D VanessaE, can you try and see what the problem is? Anything to do with x,y,or z coordinates
16:39 VanessaE Dan_D: I can't read this code
16:39 Dan_D Ok
16:39 VanessaE it's too ...messy
16:39 Dan_D I will just remove it from camo modpack then?
16:39 VanessaE no
16:39 VanessaE leave it there and just figure out how to fix it
16:40 Dan_D Maybe make it uncraftable and not in creative inventory for now
16:40 Dan_D Or, just leave it
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16:41 Peacock final outline of Riven isles http://s18.postimg.org/6p3c6c​y89/screenshot_1959791621.png
16:41 VanessaE just leave it for now
16:41 Peacock gotta start raising the terrain today :/
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16:42 Dan_D VanessaE, what was messy about it?
16:42 Peacock next up the wife wants me to print the map of westeros lol
16:42 Peacock (she likes the castles)
16:42 VanessaE Dan_D: hard to describe.
16:43 Dan_D Or maybe just have a fixed range
16:43 VanessaE it just looks "crowded"
16:43 Dan_D Really?One abm, 2 node registers, and a craft
16:44 Nocte| I'm going to create a house build into the mountain I found.
16:44 VanessaE Dan_D: you just made the argument for me why you should be able to fix it ;)
16:44 Dan_D Yep
16:44 Dan_D I replace all self.y/2 with self.y*3 but then I get the problem
16:45 Peacock hmm, bamboo trees could be cool
16:45 VanessaE Peacock: make a pull request against moretrees  :)
16:45 VanessaE (and don't rewrite my damn code this time)
16:45 Peacock not sure how it could use lsystems
16:46 Jordach Calinou, what's world wide web in french >:D
16:46 Jordach (i've heard it's hard to say)
16:46 Peacock and the bamboo itself would be nodebox, so would it really fit in with the other trees?
16:46 VanessaE Peacock: sure, whynot?
16:47 VanessaE of course, making it look right may be impossible with L-systems
16:47 Peacock http://wpcore.3dcadtips.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-​content/uploads/2013/06/bamboo-garden-de.jpg
16:47 Jordach VanessaE, L-Systems sucks ass
16:47 VanessaE Jordach: why?
16:47 VanessaE Peacock: nice
16:47 Jordach because they're way tooooo biiiiigggg
16:48 Peacock what i can tell with my poor vision, you'd have multiple stalks (sp?) in the center node, and 1 node of leaves surrounding it on all sides
16:48 VanessaE they're SUPPOSED to be
16:48 VanessaE Peacock: easily done with L-systems.
16:48 Peacock yeah but do you really need lsystem for such a simple design?
16:48 VanessaE nope
16:48 VanessaE but it'll probably be faster than any other method
16:49 Peacock i like lsystem for making big trees, but the simple ones can be hardcoded
16:49 VanessaE vmanip might be the best for the small ones
16:49 Calinou Jordach: don't know?
16:50 Jordach Calinou, i was wondering
16:50 Peacock even voxmynipples might be overkill
16:50 Jordach >voxmynipples
16:50 Jordach lololololol
16:50 VanessaE Peacock: vmanip is the fastest way.  never use add_node() to place more than 1 or 2 nodes at a time
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16:51 Calinou lol
16:51 Peacock meh, its fast enough, i dont have a shitton of abm's going off all around me
16:51 VanessaE no
16:51 VanessaE it's NEVER fast enough.
16:52 dafull97 yesss
16:52 dafull97 yessss
16:52 VanessaE that kind of thinking is why computers are so slow today
16:52 Peacock well im not running > 100 mods :P
16:52 Calinou <VanessaE> it's NEVER fast enough. <= that's what she said
16:52 dafull97 LOL, what talking about?
16:52 dafull97 hahahahaha
16:52 VanessaE dafull97: assembling structures and/or trees in-game via a mod
16:53 Dan_D Is there any way of checking the time, and at dusk replace with one node, replaced by another at dawn?
16:53 dafull97 ohh, ok... Calinou... thats old now though - still funny
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16:54 Peacock well add nodes worked for worldedit until they started serializing their schematics :P
16:54 thefamilygrog66 works for me
16:54 VanessaE it worked because that was all it could do
16:54 john_minetest http://xkcd.com/676/
16:54 VanessaE now there are faster ways which are being used
16:54 Exio4 unless you csn run X algorithm in one cpu cycle, it isn't fast enough
16:54 Dan_D Like, if time > 5500 and time <18000 it becomes one node, and the opposite for night
16:54 Nocte| Man...
16:55 Nocte| Its so hard to memorize where stuff is inside some tunnel. :|
16:55 thefamilygrog66 watched the bb finale last night, Peacock - was a good one!
16:55 dafull97 Nocte|, so true haha
16:55 Peacock in any case i dont see a point in creating a GH account to make a pull when i use a bastardized version of it lol
16:55 Peacock grog but now it's over :(
16:55 Nocte| And since my sense of direction is basically 0... :(
16:56 thefamilygrog66 Yeah, gonna have to find something else to watch - might start over from first season...
16:56 VanessaE Dan_D: minetest.get_timeofday()
16:56 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1231
16:57 VanessaE so you probably wanna check for a value less than say 0.25 or greater than 0.75
16:57 Dan_D Ah, thanks!
16:57 VanessaE those would suggest dawn and dusk, respectively.
16:57 Peacock still, there's boardwalk empire, revolution and SVU (olivia got fat during her "kidnapping" lol)
16:57 Nocte| I'm trying to build a 'House inside a Mountain' style base.
16:57 thefamilygrog66 gonna check out boardwalk, I think
16:58 Peacock one of the few HBO shows still going on right now
16:58 Peacock wife wants GoT but that wont be back till next year
16:58 Nocte| Hah, GoT... Get a life. ;)
16:58 thefamilygrog66 I still have to catch up with GoT.
16:59 Peacock Noctel i dont have to choose, thats what multiple monitors are for :P
16:59 Peacock god knows when this place turns into a funeral parlour a little distraction is nice
16:59 Nocte| Nothing happened in 2 episodes of GoT.
16:59 thefamilygrog66 I'm sure boobs happened
16:59 Nocte| Quit after trying to watch.
17:00 Peacock the second to last and the last? guess someone wasn't paying attention
17:00 Nocte| Internet has porn if you want boobs.
17:00 Peacock dont need porn, i can get layed :P which is more than many people here lol
17:00 Nocte| Hmm. :|
17:01 Peacock besides, i have the perfect Ferengi wife, she hates wearing clothes at home XD
17:01 * andersje shrugs
17:01 thefamilygrog66 So I added Herobrine giants on my server, but then I made them tiny (i.e. 1/2 size of player) and spawning in caves, and for some reason they're way freakier that way. Also FAST!
17:01 Calinou but do they have boobs?
17:01 Nocte| I wish somebody coded the bed to work as time skipper.
17:02 Peacock simple, on_rightclick = settime(6am)
17:02 thefamilygrog66 The bed does skip to the morning if everyone on the server is in bed at the same time.
17:02 Calinou it's 6000
17:02 Peacock like MC
17:02 Nocte| Ah.
17:03 Calinou Minecraft is 0
17:04 thefamilygrog66 So yeah, tiny mobs = scary/fast.
17:05 Nocte| Also: Anyone else hate it when they are middle of something that requires lots of sticks and then they run out? Or torches?
17:05 thefamilygrog66 Also, Simonster wanted me to have giants spawning on the beanstalk clouds, so I made giant Jake the Dogs (from Adventure Time) spawn from them, laughing hysterically.
17:05 thefamilygrog66 type: /giveme stick 99
17:06 Calinou Nocte|: I'd like if crafting torches gave you 5 torches instead of 4
17:06 * Nocte| is not a cheater.
17:06 thefamilygrog66 Nocte| ^^^
17:06 Calinou would be a bit better for lighting caves or large laces
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17:07 Jordach afternoon Inocudom
17:07 Inocudom Hello. I am facing a week-long nightmare right now. Tis the time of year for those.
17:08 Peacock Oo, the US fed. gov is in shutdown mode, didn't think they'd do it
17:08 VanessaE yep
17:08 VanessaE and obama is on right now bitching at congress about it
17:08 VanessaE (live feed)
17:08 VanessaE http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/
17:08 Inocudom The latest autobuilds of Xonotic will not start up at all, and I have a feeling that the developers of the game won't be able to fix that issue anytime soon.
17:08 FreeFull Inocudom: You could try playing Warsow instead for a bit
17:08 Dan_D With the minetest.get_imeofday how do I make it so it detects if it is above one value and below another?
17:09 Peacock well it's not his fault the gop lost the election and the healthcare law passed, now theyre trying to defund it (democracy sucks for the GOP when they lose apparently)
17:09 FreeFull I don't think healthcare will get defunded
17:09 Inocudom Tell me more about this healthcare law. I sense evil vibes coming from it.
17:09 Peacock the GOP's funny like that, patriotic to the core when it's a republican president, almost treasonous when it's a democratic president
17:10 FreeFull The GOP's extremists did almost everything they could do already and the democrats aren't budging
17:10 Peacock theyve called him a socialist, questioned where he was born, etc., its quite funny
17:10 VanessaE Dan_D: t=minetest.get_timeofday() .... if t < 0.25 or t > 0.75 then ...... end
17:11 andersje I find this whole government debacle to be very embarrassing.
17:11 Inocudom The wise must learn that there are no accidents in the grand scheme of things.
17:11 andersje I'm trying to raise my children to compromise and work with people.
17:11 Peacock hell i think they've even gone abroad to disparage him
17:11 VanessaE (that'll check for times from dusk to dawn)
17:11 andersje and then the congresscritters and senators insist on acting like petulent children
17:11 andersje so I'm reduced to explaining that some people never grow up.
17:11 Peacock well the shutdown looks bad for the GOP, not the dems
17:11 VanessaE e.g. nighttime....  or, t=minetest.get_timeofday() .... if t> 0.25 and t < 0.75 then ...... end   <---- to check for times from dawn to dusk, e.g. daytime
17:11 Peacock last time in 95, it boosted the dem's numbers (or so i read)
17:11 andersje I agree, it's assisine.
17:11 FreeFull It seems a lot of the republicans were against the shutdown in the first place too
17:12 andersje and the Dems don't take a hit on it
17:12 Inocudom When it is time for a species to fall, it is time for a species to fall. It is preordained.
17:12 john_minetest dafuq: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTF2lWHI2IY
17:12 Peacock eventually the GOP will tire of tea party antics
17:12 andersje right, but the Repubs can't buck their party, or the Koch brothers will hire a new, crazier replacement
17:12 VanessaE no they won't
17:12 VanessaE they're crazy enough to get even more insane
17:12 VanessaE if that makes sense
17:12 VanessaE GOP insanity is self-sustaining
17:12 andersje The absurdly crazy part of the party is VERY well funded
17:12 Peacock time to switch to parliamentary system?
17:13 VanessaE Peacock: we need a coalition government (e.g. what Israel does)
17:13 andersje If only Anna Nicole Smith hadn't lost that appeal on her husband's will...
17:13 Peacock seems like the US system doesn't give much room for new parties to form and old ones to split/die
17:13 andersje because she lost the appeal, the Koch brothers have ALL the money now.
17:13 VanessaE Peacock: it gives nearly no room, because of corporate campaign contributions
17:13 andersje Peacock: the existing parties are heavily entrenched, and so well funded that it's virtually impossible to challenge them
17:14 * Jordach thinks another JFK is needed on the repubs
17:14 andersje The people who COULD challenge the existing parties have enough money that they find it's easier to buy one of the existing parties
17:14 Dan_D What is wrong with this? http://pastebin.com/YChD7Gwi
17:14 andersje see:  The Koch Brothers
17:14 VanessaE Jordach: +635.
17:14 Peacock JFK = bay of pigs, cuban missile crisis, not sure is the best example lol
17:14 andersje plus he screwed anything that moved.
17:14 Jordach VanessaE, same for that douchebag in our contry: expecting people to work for their dole
17:14 Dan_D I have also done local t = minetest.get_timeofday()
17:14 Inocudom I can certainly tell you that there is no light at the end of the tunnel anymore. The good times are over... forever... with how things are going.
17:14 VanessaE Dan_D: you have to do the time-of-day check inside the action
17:14 andersje LBJ, with the exception of Viet Nam, did more lasting good for the country
17:14 * Nocte| is bored for playing in single player. :|
17:15 Dan_D I do VanessaE with t
17:15 andersje Inocudom: nah.  Technology will make these idiot leaders obsolete.
17:15 VanessaE where?
17:15 VanessaE I see no time-of-day check in that code.
17:15 Dan_D Err. t?
17:15 Peacock <Jordach> VanessaE, same for that douchebag in our contry: expecting people to work for their dole
17:15 Peacock what's wrong with that?
17:15 VanessaE t is not time of day
17:15 Dan_D Which is local t
17:15 Dan_D For timeofday
17:16 andersje Just as the crossbow and musket made Armor obsolete, better computing will make Senators obsolete
17:16 VanessaE t = minetest.get_timeofday(); if t> 0.25..........etc etc
17:16 Dan_D Yes.
17:16 Dan_D I did that
17:16 VanessaE you have to assign it immediately before the test
17:16 VanessaE and only then
17:16 Dan_D But it works if I just use minetest.get_timeofday
17:16 VanessaE um
17:16 Peacock heck my town looks like shit on the outskirts, and we have tons of people on welfare, i often wonder why they dont put them to work as streetsweepers
17:16 VanessaE check your paste, you did not assign t = time of day.
17:16 Inocudom A computer can only do so much. A computer does not possess spirit, nor should it.
17:18 Peacock went to buy milk this morning, and since its the first of the month, long lineup with people buying 3x 24's of beer lol
17:18 Jordach Peacock, they're also expecting mentally disabled people to work as well
17:18 Dan_D I just said I did in the post after the paste VanessaE :P
17:18 Peacock what they can't do dishes or man a cash register?
17:18 VanessaE Dan_D: show me the completed code
17:18 Peacock ive done many disgusting jobs out of necessity
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17:19 Jordach Peacock, he's failed at creating jobd
17:19 andersje Peacock: I work in corporate america, where my job would be easier if we got rid of  the people who didn't do anything useful.
17:19 Jordach jobs*
17:19 Dan_D VanessaE, it works now
17:19 andersje in all honesty, I'd rather they get70% of their current pay to STAY OUT OFTHE WAY
17:19 andersje and let other people get stuff done
17:19 VanessaE Dan_D: ok
17:19 andersje the real problem is that the vast majority of those people believe they are utterly essential.
17:20 Peacock jordach, if you can moderate the forums, you should be able to handle a simple cash register :P
17:20 Jordach Peacock, fuck that
17:20 Inocudom PureZC has not one but two topics concerning robot rights:
17:20 Peacock andersje the big problem in america right now is corporations sitting on money and consumers not having any to spend
17:20 Jordach i hate dealing with assholes who bring their snotty kids
17:20 Inocudom http://www.purezc.net/forums/index.ph​p?showtopic=55888&amp;view=findpost&a​mp;p=798445&amp;hl=%2Brobot+%2Brights
17:20 Inocudom http://www.purezc.net/forums/index.ph​p?showtopic=59920&amp;view=findpost&a​mp;p=850715&amp;hl=%2Brobot+%2Brights
17:20 andersje Peacock: yep.  At some point, we need to decouple work from survival
17:20 Peacock jordach so others should do those shitty jobs while you collect a check on their backs?
17:21 Jordach Peacock, you do realise i actually have mental issues
17:21 Peacock so why are you moderator?
17:21 andersje maybe his mental issues don't impede anything but face-to-face interaction?
17:21 Peacock there are many easy jobs outside of customer service
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17:22 andersje in the next hundred years, we're going to see almost all of those easy jobs evaporate
17:22 Jordach Peacock, i fevorously HATE social interactions, i prefer my silence
17:22 andersje _new_ easy jobs will be created.
17:22 andersje but not in the same numbers as were destroyed.
17:22 Inocudom I have mental issues too, but maybe they are not too bad of a thing. They maintained by individuality.
17:23 Peacock well, whenever im on IRC, you happen to be here :P and you have energy to spend moderating the boards, just not to earn some basic living like alot of us rubes :P
17:23 Jordach Peacock, i also lose focus very easily, if i see anything, i'll find what that is
17:24 Jordach (eg, any links on wikipedia)
17:24 Jordach i will just keep going
17:24 Inocudom When you look at this reality that we live in (and I mean really look at it,) you begin to see an all-pervading hollowness to it.
17:24 Peacock it seems alot of people all have very good reasons for not working, and its depressing when i think i had to work 3 seperate jobs at once to avoid being taxed to death on doing 70hours at one job
17:24 andersje look, I've got a relative who will remain unnamed.  Specified Person (SP from here on) has never held a job for more than 5 weeks, due to paranoia and other issues.  It's going to be cheaper, in the long run, and easier on everyone, if we just make sure that SP never starves, and never wastes anyone's time with an interview or starting at a job that won't last 3 weeks
17:25 andersje Peacock: sounds like you should've paid your withholding ahead of time.
17:25 Peacock americans complain about taxes but theyre nothing like what we pay here :P
17:25 Peacock and people here get on welfare and rarely get off
17:26 Nocte| Hmm...
17:26 andersje I'm still not aware of any country in which workers pay more than 100% tax.
17:26 Peacock so why should i pay a third of my cheque to support people who all have good reasons not to toil as i do lol
17:26 Nocte| I still don't remember how to build a bed. :|
17:26 Inocudom Where do you live, Peacock.
17:26 andersje Peacock: sounds like you should go on the dole, if it's so grand.
17:26 Peacock Quebec, the most taxed jurisdiction in north America
17:26 Peacock hell no, i'd rather work than make excuses
17:27 andersje okay, so working is better than being on the dole.
17:27 Inocudom At least your on the North American continent. Europe and Asia are getting hit with all manner of hell and bedlam.
17:27 Inocudom Though, North America is getting a beating too.
17:27 Peacock Europe lent alot of money to countries that cooked their books
17:28 Peacock Japan's economy has been lacklustre since the 90s
17:28 andersje Too much faith in big companies, big leaders
17:28 andersje the world operates at a local scale, and most countries appear to have forgotten that
17:28 Inocudom Just wait until the New Madrid fault line finally snaps again. Easily the mightiest earthquake on this planet.
17:28 thefamilygrog66 I'm glad we have somewhat of a social program in Canada - it's saved my ass a few times.
17:29 Peacock grog ive collected unemployment before when my employers went bust, but EI ~= welfare
17:29 * thefamilygrog66 would rather not be homeless
17:29 andersje I wish we had better social programs in the USA.  Many of our homeless and welfare recipients are actually mentally ill, who need treatment.
17:29 Calinou <Jordach> Peacock, i also lose focus very easily, if i see anything, i'll find what that is
17:29 Calinou same thing happens to me :P
17:29 andersje Peacock: I've never taken unemployment, despite being eligible several times.
17:29 andersje I left it for people who needed it more.
17:29 Peacock well in Canada you pay into EI directly from your paycheques, so when you lose your job through no fault of your own, you're entitled
17:30 Peacock not quite the same as never looking for one in the first place
17:30 andersje Peacock: that's exactly how the USA works
17:30 thefamilygrog66 I've been on both EI and Social Assistance when I was a lot younger, and am grateful that they existed.
17:30 andersje I had friends in high school, they were on social assistance.  It was a damned good thing it was there
17:30 andersje those kids couldn't have afforded food otherwise
17:30 VanessaE I'm thankful that my Social Security will keep on coming
17:30 thefamilygrog66 You're generalizing a bit there Peacock wrt welfare.
17:30 VanessaE but I tell you this shit's got me scared.
17:30 andersje VanessaE: they can't cut SocSec
17:31 andersje it would turn the elderly vote entirely Democratic
17:31 Peacock i dunno what the culture is in Ontario, but Quebec welfare recipients are something else
17:31 VanessaE andersje: in practicality they can't (plus I guess they don't have the balls)....but they could do it in theory..
17:31 Inocudom You should be scared. Very, very scared. What is happening to this planet and to mankind is a true nightmare.
17:31 andersje We've got some gems in the USA, too.  but it's not like they're driving new cadillacs around.
17:31 andersje What's happening to mankind is no different than it's ever been.
17:31 Inocudom Not by accident either. Not by accident.
17:31 andersje in fact, it's better now.
17:31 Peacock and the welfare programs are administered by the provinces, so the amounts and eligibility are different
17:31 thefamilygrog66 sure there are generations that have been on it, Peacock, but that's a minority (i.e. scapegoat used by conservatives to justify cutting)
17:32 andersje When was the last time the local militia stopped by to forage for provisions in your house?
17:32 andersje then raped your daughter while they were passing through?
17:32 andersje or, for that matter, raped your son?
17:32 thefamilygrog66 sounds like a pleasant place... o_O
17:32 andersje yeah, the past sucked
17:32 andersje I'm glad I'm not in it.
17:33 Inocudom Where was this at?
17:33 andersje "Europe"
17:33 andersje from about, oh 600 AD to 1200 AD or so
17:33 andersje depending on how close to the Crusader's paths you were.
17:33 andersje Hell, even in the 19th century, soldiers "foraged" for food.
17:33 andersje that means knocking down doors and emptying out larders
17:33 Peacock i can believe that in Ontario there's genuine unemployment, but generally employers in Quebec will tell you they're short-staffed, which doesnt jibe with the huge dole-rolls (who tend to vote PQ, so 2+2)
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17:34 Inocudom I fear times like that might come in the future. Dreams are temporary, but nightmares are eternal.
17:34 andersje nope, times like that won't happen again
17:34 andersje small arms have ensured that.
17:34 Peacock seems alot of people here are too young to remember/know about the 70's
17:34 andersje I grew up in the 70s.
17:35 Calinou <Inocudom> You should be scared. Very, very scared. What is happening to this planet and to mankind is a true nightmare.
17:35 * thefamilygrog66 was born in 1970\
17:35 andersje I remember the Cold War too well, and the dystopian fiction
17:35 Calinou be positive, and don't be paranoid
17:35 Peacock peak oil, interest rates hovering around 20%, inflation
17:35 * andersje nods
17:35 Inocudom The 70s were a very messed up time. That I do know.
17:35 andersje doesn't matter
17:35 Calinou Peacock: "PQ"... still makes me laugh :d
17:35 andersje Just like Thomas Malthus thought the big die-off wascoming, and was wrong.
17:35 andersje we always solve the problems.
17:35 andersje the USA no longer has the race riots of the 60s and 70s.
17:35 Peacock LA 92
17:35 VanessaE meanwhile, the rich fat cats just keep getting richer.
17:35 thefamilygrog66 cough...rodney king
17:36 andersje we no longer starve by the billions in this world (thanks, Norman Borlaug!)
17:36 andersje thefamilygrog66: yeah, well California is fucked up.
17:36 VanessaE andersje: no, now we have the WBC.
17:36 Peacock global warming and starvation: nuclear power and GMO crops
17:36 andersje the WBC is just a bunch of lawyers who've figured out how to get rich
17:36 Peacock but the hippies dont like that
17:36 andersje GMO crops have prevented a billion deaths, easily.
17:36 andersje deaths by starvation.
17:36 thefamilygrog66 disparity is the elephant in the room
17:36 VanessaE yup
17:36 andersje nuclear power will fade in use as wind/solar and efficiency improves
17:37 andersje yeah, disparity is a massive problem
17:37 Calinou not in a long time
17:37 Peacock tell that to Ontario that spent a fortune on windmills :P
17:37 VanessaE andersje: I read of a 44.7% efficient solar cell earlier today, so we're close
17:37 Calinou wind/solar is very inefficient and expensive
17:37 Calinou and not as good as you may think
17:37 andersje and while, in the USA, it's as bad as it was in 1928...is it as bad as the time of Serfdom ?
17:37 VanessaE I guess the theoretical limit is 60%?
17:37 Calinou you need rare earths for renewable energy
17:37 Peacock their books used to be better than Quebec's lol
17:37 andersje VanessaE: yeah, and the wind always blows.
17:37 Calinou rare earths currently can't be retrieved, and are used in any PC part
17:37 andersje the key word there is "currently"
17:37 VanessaE andersje: nono I mean we're close to viability with solar PV now
17:37 Calinou not sure if it'll ever be possible
17:37 Calinou we can always hope :P
17:38 andersje VanessaE: sorry, wasn't trying to argue.  I agree
17:38 VanessaE solar thermal is long since solved, we're just too stubborn to use it)
17:38 Jordach i can make money really easy, by following this simple step: make quality blender animations and use google's adpartnerships
17:38 Calinou in france, there is less than 20% of renewable energy iirc
17:38 andersje Calinou: if there's money in it, someone will figure it out.
17:38 Peacock one small hick with solar power: a good volcano eruption (or nuclear war) would make them alot less useful :P
17:38 Calinou Jordach: don't think so
17:38 RealBadAngel if the solar cells are efficent enough to provide hot water for a house
17:38 andersje howabout bacteria that just produce gasoline from waste?  They can already do Butanol.
17:38 RealBadAngel theyre efficent enough
17:38 VanessaE Jordach: I should start posting videos or some kind and letting youtube plaster commercials all over them :-/
17:38 VanessaE RealBadAngel: solar PV, not solar thermal
17:38 Jordach Calinou, t-shirts, mugs etc
17:38 andersje couple PV with wind generation and geothermal heating/cooling systems, and you've got a real killer combination
17:39 Jordach not to mention paid commissions
17:39 Inocudom It is true that Earth has never been a paradise. More like hell actually. In fact, northern peoples used to refer to it as Hella.
17:39 VanessaE however, it's damn close now.  now it's more a matter of cost per unit of power
17:39 Peacock with rising sea tides maybe we should be thinking about hydro power :P
17:39 andersje plus improved insulation, means that we need less energy to heat and cool
17:39 Jordach (now, while i get access to £600 a/mo. I could build a monster rig for blender)
17:39 Inocudom Same could be said of the entire universe.
17:39 * thefamilygrog66 is not sold on geothermal - known a few folks that have it, and they've paid insane electricity bills...
17:39 andersje thefamilygrog66: what part of the country?
17:40 VanessaE biggest problem with solar-anything (and wind) is most people don't live in single family dwellings.  good luck setting up a PV array or wind turbine on top of your apartment :-/
17:40 thefamilygrog66 Ontario
17:40 VanessaE (abe and I could, ours is a single-family home, but who knows how long that'll last....)
17:40 andersje my biggest hesitation on geothermal is that it's SUPER expensive to spin up.
17:40 andersje like $30k, so I save 50% on my heating/cooling
17:40 andersje it takes me over 30 years to pay for the installation.
17:40 andersje when it's down to 10, I'll think about it.
17:40 VanessaE that's nuts
17:40 andersje VanessaE: the landlord will setup the PV and wind turbine =)
17:40 VanessaE PV pays off in around 7 years now
17:41 VanessaE still too long-term for us.
17:41 RealBadAngel VanessaE, in such cases building owners/comunnity shall install such things for the whole building. simple
17:41 andersje right, but you have to swap panels every what, ten?
17:41 thefamilygrog66 ^^
17:41 VanessaE RealBadAngel: and who will pay for it?
17:41 andersje and what's the lifescycle of the batteries?
17:41 VanessaE andersje: every 30 odd.
17:41 Peacock good luck, landlords expect tenants to repair his/her property lol
17:41 VanessaE don't use batteries - grid tie.
17:41 thefamilygrog66 have to reshingle the roof every 15, though!
17:41 RealBadAngel cmon, you can buy solar panels at ikea for christ sake
17:41 andersje wow.  when my dad was toying with PV back in the 70s, it was like 8 years, and he could watch the efficiency drop every year.
17:42 VanessaE andersje: yeah, they've gotten good now.  warranties are routinely 25+ years and that's to get to 80% of the original capacity
17:42 RealBadAngel folks are damn lazy
17:42 Peacock heck when my water tank bust two apartments ago the landlord thought i would change it lol (imagine his surprise when we were gone a week later)
17:42 VanessaE so unless you get pummeled by baseball-sized hail, you probably won't have to replace them
17:42 Jordach > baseball sized hail
17:42 Jordach OUCH
17:42 VanessaE Jordach: not uncommon in the US Midwest
17:42 Inocudom Perhaps if mankind focused more on spirituality and virtue instead of power and wealth, the Earth would be a happier place.
17:43 andersje out by my parents farms, the wind farms are really popping up.
17:43 Jordach how are you even alive VanessaE
17:43 Inocudom Of cource, as the Ancient Greeks would say, the gods would never allow that.
17:43 VanessaE Jordach: I live in North Carolina now.  that's how :P
17:43 Jordach VanessaE, farmer!
17:43 andersje I understand the town of six hundred people, about twelve miles from my parent's place, is a net energy producer now.
17:43 Peacock spirituality and virtue are overrated, most people just want to earn a decent living
17:43 VanessaE Jordach:  I was born and raised in the ass-crack of the Midwest - Kansas. :P
17:44 andersje we only see baseball sized hail every 3 or four years
17:44 Peacock eat decent food, be able to have a beer with friends, etc.
17:44 andersje but I'm farther north than Kansas
17:44 andersje and usually, it hits in a strip, say, five miles by twenty miles
17:44 VanessaE yup
17:44 Inocudom My own mother has been in Kansas. I would never want to go there. Ever.
17:44 Jordach I was born in West Philidelphia born and raised and the playground was where I spend most of my days...
17:44 andersje then all the roofers and autobody guys get to buy new cars with the proceeds ;)
17:44 VanessaE andersje: that's how supercells are
17:44 Nocte| The most boring place you can ever be in the world must be Finland. (Unless you live in Helsinki or something.)
17:44 Inocudom Where I am at now is one of the safest places on Earth.
17:44 andersje Kansas scares the shit out of me.
17:44 andersje too flat, storms are too nasty
17:44 VanessaE Nocte|: careful, celeron55 is from Finland
17:44 Nocte| So am I.
17:45 Nocte| :|
17:45 Peacock i'd think Greenland would be more boring
17:45 Nocte| Wait, people live in Greenland? ;)
17:45 Peacock yeah lol
17:45 andersje I found out my mother's haplogroup is most strongly represented in finland.
17:45 VanessaE andersje: Abe and I got out of Joplin, MO 2 months before that big EF5 wiped out a quarter of the city back in May 2011
17:45 Inocudom Storms like those in the Midwest are becoming more and more universal.
17:45 andersje VanessaE: good dodge!
17:45 andersje yeah, we'll see increased storm damage for the foreseeable future.
17:46 andersje oh well, beats an ice age.
17:46 andersje at least we can grow crops in this
17:46 VanessaE I'm pretty sure the Earth goes through cycles like this
17:46 Nocte| Too bad there's not that many Metal bands that play in Joensuu. (Nearest town to me.)
17:46 VanessaE who knows how it'll be next year
17:46 Jordach we're currently in a Earth Period
17:46 VanessaE another Ice Age might start, who knows
17:46 Peacock last major storm in Quebec... http://www.aaaheatingac.com/newsite/wp-con​tent/uploads/2011/12/ice-storm-street.jpg
17:46 Jordach (you know, when the world is shit for a few years)
17:46 Peacock actually were still coming out of an ice age
17:46 Peacock hence the panic over global warming
17:47 VanessaE Peacock: so, business as usual for you canucks? ;)
17:47 Inocudom An ice age is not as bad as the Venus syndrome.
17:47 Jordach Peacock, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rog8ou-ZepE
17:47 Peacock though the Vikings colonized North America when it was alot warmer
17:47 VanessaE Inocudom: granted.
17:47 FreeFull Peacock: We are coming out of the ice age way faster than we are supposed to
17:47 VanessaE *looks at photo*...  "Global warming", my ass!
17:47 Calinou <Peacock> eat decent food, be able to have a beer with friends, etc.
17:47 Calinou having a beer is how you make your decent living slightly less decent
17:47 Calinou :p
17:47 andersje Vikings grew wheat in Greenland
17:47 VanessaE (there's a reason they've taken to using the phrase "climate change")
17:47 andersje for a hundred years
17:47 andersje "global climate weirding"
17:47 Peacock calinou better than living as a eunuch
17:47 VanessaE lol
17:48 Inocudom Were there rainforests in North America at that time? Was it like the Amazon?
17:48 Nocte| Ugh... Only interesting places in Joensuu are like: CD/Record store, Tabletop RPG store and Gamestop... You know you live in a boring place if those are the most interesting things.
17:48 FreeFull Peacock: Regarding that picture, it looks like what happens when water that's barely above freezing hits something that's really cold
17:48 Peacock vanessa not business as usual :P http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/xzj3xiDqLSY/hqdefault.jpg
17:48 FreeFull I know stuff like that happens during winter with sea water
17:48 Jordach Calinou, scuse me. Jack Daniels is the best way to live by
17:48 VanessaE Peacock: what's that?
17:48 VanessaE looks like a HT tower?
17:48 Calinou Jordach: who's that?
17:48 * andersje prefers wine.
17:48 VanessaE (what's left of one)
17:48 Jordach Calinou, WHISKEY
17:48 Peacock downed power pylon
17:48 * Calinou only uses wine to run windows programs
17:48 Jordach Tennessee whiskey
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17:48 VanessaE Peacock: right.  HT = High Tension.  What's the object in the background
17:48 VanessaE ?
17:49 Dan_D VanessaE, what is the latest commit message for the castle repo?
17:49 Peacock MT's olympic Stadium
17:49 VanessaE Calinou: what else would you use it for?  running Apple II demos? ;)
17:49 Peacock ironically, wasn't finished on time for the 76 olympics ol
17:49 Inocudom I would not want North America to become as hot as the Amazon. That is a scary thought.
17:49 VanessaE Dan_D: "Fixed Pillar Craft"
17:49 Peacock and only paid off in full a few years ago
17:49 Dan_D Dammit
17:49 VanessaE Dan_D: give it a minute
17:49 Calinou if it doesn't become as hot as amazon, it'll be as hot as newegg
17:49 * Calinou gallops away
17:49 Dan_D I have tried pushing 3 times and every time appears to ahev failed
17:49 VanessaE if you pushed, it may take a minute for it to show up
17:49 VanessaE oh.
17:49 Peacock id love for North America to heat up abit, ive always wanted to try living further up north
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17:50 Inocudom With temperatures like that, Yellow Jacket Nest would easily become as large as cars.
17:50 VanessaE did you `git add . ; git commit`  first?
17:50 Dan_D Yep
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17:50 Jordach Inocudom, beware for the asian hornets
17:50 Jordach big bastards
17:50 Dan_D cd /home/daniel/Github/castle
17:50 Peacock Yukon has some stunning landscapes too
17:50 Inocudom Yeah, but you don't want the humidity to get real high.
17:51 * Nocte| is soooo bored. :(
17:51 Dan_D git add . ;git commit -m "Added Philipbenr's Stuff"; git push
17:51 Inocudom Hot is hot when it is muggy.
17:51 VanessaE Peacock: I wouldn't complain if it warmed up a few degrees.  it's cheaper to run fans and/or AC than heaters.
17:51 Dan_D Then username and password
17:51 Dan_D And it failed
17:51 VanessaE Dan_D: what error?
17:51 Peacock imagine if the Antarctica continent was habitable
17:51 Dan_D It said it was done, but 3 times I have tried over about half an hour
17:51 Peacock might solve a few overpopulation issues right there
17:52 Dan_D Then on trying to visit gu=ithub, I got a picture of a unicorn
17:52 Inocudom Ahh, the Japanese Giant Hornet. Said to have one of the most painful stings of any insect.
17:52 Peacock more farmland too, with China buying up chunks of the Ukraine, wouldn't be a bad thing
17:52 Jordach Inocudom, i have a useful trap
17:52 Inocudom Just one sting can kill a person, even if that person is not allergic.
17:52 Jordach they get stuck to the sap-like substance then get a 4000v tasering
17:52 Peacock besides, more jobs for the future: old cities will have to be abandoned, new ones built
17:52 Jordach (i inserted electrodes)
17:53 Inocudom You might be seeing the European Hornet, Jordach.
17:53 andersje if antarctica melts, it's my understanding that sea levels will rise 60m
17:53 Dan_D Try now VanessaE
17:53 Jordach Inocudom, some have been found in the UK
17:53 Jordach i'm preparing early
17:53 VanessaE Dan_D: unicorn error!
17:53 Dan_D Dammit
17:53 andersje right now, cold winters have kept fireants out of the North central USA.
17:53 andersje I hope that holds up
17:53 Dan_D Unicorns FTW
17:53 Peacock like i said, lots of reconstruction jobs :P
17:53 Dan_D Ah well
17:54 Dan_D Broken Github?
17:54 Inocudom Unless, the Japanese Hornet (Vespa mandarinia) actually is where you live.
17:54 VanessaE Dan_D: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/extra/Sc​reenshot%20-%2010012013%20-%2001:58:24%20PM.png
17:54 Peacock besides it would be an opportunity to bury old innefficient and ugly cities, and build new, nice efficient ones
17:54 VanessaE it's just github being slow :)
17:54 Nocte| Quick question: Cleric, Fighter, Mage or Thief?
17:54 Dan_D Yep, identical page VanessaE to what I get
17:55 VanessaE none of the above.
17:55 Nocte| Multiclass is allowed. :p
17:55 Dan_D So, just wait till it says 'added Philipbenr's stuff' or anything later than the pillar craft one
17:55 Dan_D Then update on the server
17:56 Inocudom This is a video of the Japanese Giant Hornet: http://youtu.be/KQjWKeIwH6Y
17:56 VanessaE Inocudom: eek.
17:56 * Jordach is safety dancing
17:57 VanessaE good G*D those are huge
17:57 * Nocte| would pick Fighter/Mage.
17:57 Hunterz how i can use rollback_check command? must select node, then do comand?
17:57 kaeza execute command, then punch
17:58 VanessaE Hunterz:  execute  /rollback_check #radius #seconds
17:58 VanessaE punch a node
17:58 Inocudom Here is another video of the Giant Japanese Hornet: http://youtu.be/JbTdfCxyv1U
17:59 Dan_D VanessaE, why won't it update on github?
17:59 Inocudom It is also known as Suzumebachi.
17:59 thefamilygrog66 Anyone here ever get called for jury duty?
17:59 Peacock what is this soft restart i've been hearing of? will we be able to test mods without shutting down and restarting all the time?
17:59 VanessaE Dan_D: I would guess github is having problemd
17:59 VanessaE problems*
17:59 VanessaE it's being very slow to load
17:59 Peacock grog: jury duty, sounds like a bitch
17:59 Peacock though it's easy enough to get yourself disqualified
17:59 thefamilygrog66 Just got the form in the mail yesterday, Peacock. Oh boy...
18:00 VanessaE Dan_D: your update probably hasn't propagated to the web interface yet
18:00 thefamilygrog66 Homer Simpson?
18:00 Inocudom In Zelda Classic, if that hornet was an enemy, it would do as much damage to Link as a Death Knight.
18:00 Dan_D Ok VanessaE
18:00 VanessaE Dan_D: I can git pull.  "Added Shields etc"
18:00 Peacock we do have selection here right? or you're automatically called to serve regardless of beliefs?
18:00 Dan_D VanessaE, that is good, thanks
18:01 Inocudom That mean a lot of damage. In most cases, instant death. Just like the Deathbo from DarkFlameWolf and Peteo's Lost Isle for Zelda Classic.
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18:01 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: they just need to know how strong of an opinion you have towards the case or something
18:01 Peacock if you make bigoted enough statements, they wont retain you to serve of the jury
18:01 VanessaE anything that implies you'll not be purely impartial
18:02 Peacock exactly, so be biased lol
18:02 Hunterz rollback.txt should contain rollback data?
18:02 Dan_D I hate the criminal because of his pimple... get him out of my dight!
18:02 Dan_D *leaves court*
18:02 VanessaE Dan_D: um, no.
18:02 Dan_D That is kinda biased
18:03 Dan_D Not bigoted
18:03 VanessaE that'll just get you sent to jail for contempt of court
18:03 thefamilygrog66 If the case involves children at all, I'll definitely not be impartial...
18:03 Dan_D No, contempt of guy with pimple
18:03 Peacock you dont like children either?
18:03 thefamilygrog66 Haha, jerk.
18:03 Peacock (i cant stand them lol)
18:04 VanessaE the sound of a child laughing is probably th most beautiful sound in the world
18:04 Dan_D Not if they are a zombie child
18:04 thefamilygrog66 I have two of my own, and would protect them with my life.
18:04 Peacock conversely, the sound of a child whaling is about the worst
18:04 gnu\mahomet Calinou
18:04 VanessaE Dan_D: https://status.github.com/messages
18:04 Dan_D Whaling???
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18:04 thefamilygrog66 Narwhaling.
18:04 Calinou gnu\mahomet: hi BSD :>
18:04 Dan_D Kidsstrong enough to catch whales?Bloody hell!
18:04 Calinou TIL you can have a \ in your IRC nick
18:04 GNADev|zRokh hi
18:05 Hunterz hmm looks like rollback.txt have zero size, must enable rollback feature somewhere?
18:05 gnu\mahomet Calinou: you have exposed me
18:05 Dan_D Ah,ok VanessaE
18:05 Peacock me its just the idea that what kids expect today, smartphones and tablets, i'd hate to think what they would want in 15-20 years
18:05 Calinou exposed me?
18:05 mahomet that I'm not actually a GNU
18:05 thefamilygrog66 blue screen of death?
18:05 kaeza Hunterz, "enable_rollback_recording = true" in minetest.conf to enable
18:05 VanessaE Peacock: simple solution to that problem:  don't give in your your child's demands.  be a parent, not a pushover.
18:06 Peacock easy to say
18:06 mahomet children want tablets and smartphones today because they're available and people are wealthier
18:06 Peacock but then you look like a schmuck next to all the other parents who spoil their kids rotten
18:06 VanessaE then look like a schmuck.
18:06 Dan_D VanessaE, the castle mod doesn't appear to have updated
18:06 VanessaE eventually the other parents get jealous of you
18:06 mahomet mind you, a smartphone is pretty imperative these days
18:06 thefamilygrog66 Sometimes ya gotta look like a schmuck - my parents sure as hell did.
18:06 VanessaE Dan_D: oh, sorry I forgot to deploy iy
18:06 VanessaE it*
18:06 Dan_D Ok
18:07 Dan_D Annuva restart?
18:07 mahomet useful little 'swiss army knife' of entertainment
18:07 VanessaE Dan_D: done.
18:07 GNADev|zRokh hi VanessaE
18:07 andersje My kids don't have smartphones
18:07 GNADev|zRokh :)
18:07 Dan_D Coolio
18:07 Peacock and what about the costs of getting your kids a decent education? its already hella expensive
18:07 andersje well, not with voice or data plans
18:07 mahomet communication and so on
18:07 Dan_D I have a £10 brick pay-as-you-go phone
18:07 mahomet Peacock: funded from taxation
18:07 andersje my kids have our cast-off old phones
18:07 * Calinou doesn't have a phone
18:07 GNADev|zRokh Dan_D: Coolio - Gangster's Paradise
18:07 Dan_D Lol wow
18:08 GNADev|zRokh what?
18:08 Calinou don't need one
18:08 mahomet Calinou: you must have difficulties in life without one
18:08 GNADev|zRokh i dont have one too
18:08 mahomet they are pretty imperative
18:08 kahrl the smartphones that kids want are complete surveillance tools... no thanks
18:08 Peacock lol my father was gone by the time my little sister got to high ed, and it's far from free
18:08 GNADev|zRokh i gave mine away because i broke the other guys phone :D
18:08 mahomet kahrl: only your location if you know what you do :)
18:08 Calinou mahomet: not really
18:08 Calinou my parents have a featurephone and they perfectly work
18:08 kahrl why should anybody be allowed to know my location?
18:09 Calinou (featurephone: "dumbphone")
18:09 Ritchie_ phone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v​=VRKu785g0O0&amp;feature=share
18:09 mahomet what of when you need to schedule an appointment? or need to be phoned for any variety of reasons
18:09 andersje my oldest boy DOES have an insulin pump, tho =)
18:09 Calinou I of course have phone at home
18:09 Calinou but no mobile one personally
18:09 mahomet kahrl: to save your life. you know, you can disable that
18:09 ruskie except that featurephones tend to be smarter than smartphones
18:09 Calinou I'm not scared of such spying
18:09 Jordach \o/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWtMl7L6a2U
18:09 Calinou ruskie: how?
18:09 mahomet the thing featurephones have over modern smartphones is that they aren't slow piles of bloated junk
18:09 mahomet Windows Mobile 6.5 and Blackberry OS seemed to be the only mobile smartphone OSes that weren't slower than treacle
18:10 kahrl with phones that don't allow you to take out the battery, you can't disabled geolocation
18:10 kahrl -d
18:10 Peacock well if the gov't wanted to spy on you, they wouldn't need a smartphone to do it, in the olden times, they used agents with cars for surveillance, tapped your home lines, etc.
18:10 andersje I agree with mahomet:  simple phones are better at being phones
18:10 kaeza we should stop making smarter phones and being making smarter users
18:10 kaeza begin*
18:10 ruskie Calinou, with a smartphone you are the smart bit of it... with a feature phone it's smart enough to do focus on the few bits you actually need and do them well
18:10 * kaeza runs
18:10 mahomet kahrl: i can, turn on aeroplane mode
18:10 GNADev|zRokh Gamer using a sweat-controller: "Why ya sweating, Calinou?"
18:10 mahomet if aeroplane mode still utilized cellular radio it wouldn't be very aeroplane
18:11 Peacock and if they wanted to armtwist one of your friends into spying on you, they'd go through all your friends' tax records
18:11 mahomet thank goodness I'm on pay-as-you-earn
18:11 Calinou ruskie: true :)
18:11 Exio4 kahrl: i'd get a nokia n9 just for having a real linux
18:12 ruskie I'm happy with my N900
18:12 Calinou mahomet: ios and WP seem to be quite reactive
18:12 Peacock smartphone contract expires in a month, after that im going back to dumbphones, but only because i find apps annoying (a billion updates a week)
18:12 Calinou not the case for most android phones though
18:12 Exio4 ruskie: i hate you :(
18:12 Calinou lol, paying for a career with the phone
18:12 Calinou it's terrible to do that
18:12 Calinou buy your phone separately :P
18:12 ruskie Exio4, and waiting to see sailfish or tizien do something
18:12 mahomet adnroid is real linux too, you know. although it does have an incredibly slow software stack
18:12 mahomet god I can't stand it, it's so slow and crashprone
18:12 ruskie mahomet, and a totaly crippled libc
18:12 Exio4 k, i should have said "gnu/linux"
18:13 Calinou android is the only major open sourcem obile OS :(
18:13 Exio4 because android is a fucked up kernel + fucked up libc + fucked up coreutils + fucked up <insert-any-shit-there>
18:13 thexyz how much gnu code is there?
18:13 Peacock besides having a smartphone that can do a million different things is pretty useless if it autoreboots during a call lol
18:13 thexyz why is it gnu/linux?
18:13 ruskie well sailfish is mer and tizien is meego more or less
18:13 mahomet android barely needs coreutils or a libc
18:13 Exio4 we're talking about maemo/meego
18:13 mahomet it's java oriented
18:13 Exio4 debian in your phone
18:13 Peacock isn't maemo dead?
18:14 ruskie Peacock, mer, sailfish, tizien all trace from there
18:14 Peacock yeah no i read about maemo a few years back
18:14 Peacock though i thought whoever was developing it dropped it
18:14 mahomet anyway if I wanted UNIX on my phone i'd get an i-Phone
18:14 Ritchie_ Exio4: android... +1
18:14 mahomet price is unjustifiable though
18:14 ruskie maemo itself is still alive and kicking from community efforts
18:15 Peacock yeah but no one will be making phones with it if the company backing it pulled out :P
18:15 ruskie will see in a few years
18:15 Peacock i think they advertisize now as a mobile OS for netbooks and shit?
18:15 Peacock in a few years either android or ios will dominate
18:15 Ritchie_ Peacock: i have maemo (nokia n810) but some repositories died
18:15 ruskie hahahahahaha
18:15 mahomet actually, I bet android is so slow to make you buy a new phone every few years. everyime you buy a new one it feels fast then you realise it's slow as treacle
18:15 ruskie Peacock, I'm thinking nokia might start from scratch now that they got rid of all the legacy crap
18:16 Peacock didn't MS buy nokia?
18:16 ruskie no
18:16 Peacock or am i thinking of another phone company
18:16 ruskie they gave nokia a bunch of money to buy their devices+services part
18:16 Calinou MS bought the mobile division
18:16 ruskie and have 2 years of tradmark use for nokia, lumia, asha
18:16 ruskie and licensed the patents for 10 years
18:16 Peacock yeah MS bough nokia's phone business
18:16 Peacock and service business
18:17 ruskie nokia still has all the patents, still a lot of tech, they still have navteq as well
18:17 ruskie they can now design stuff and give stuff over to OEMs to manufacture with whatever they want
18:17 Peacock i doubt they'll be touching another OS while in MS's grip :P
18:17 ruskie and with fresh blood
18:17 ruskie Peacock, they're not in MS's grip
18:17 mahomet i miss Windows Mobile 6.5 :(
18:17 Nocte| Hmm... Could you guys share pictures of houses you have build? :p
18:17 GNADev|zRokh mahomet: DAFUQ?!
18:17 Peacock money changed hands, MS expects something out of the deal :P
18:17 ruskie Peacock, nokia the company got the 7billion or however much money
18:18 GNADev|zRokh iHouse > Windows
18:18 GNADev|zRokh reason: the iHouse doesnt have ANY Windows
18:18 ruskie Peacock, all MS got from that is the devices+service division, limited use of patents and very limited use of trademarks
18:18 Nocte| Hah.
18:18 mahomet GNADev|zRokh: it was fast. it multitasked without blowing the previous app out of memory every time
18:18 GNADev|zRokh but it sucks
18:18 Peacock if anything you're next best hope for an alternative phone OS is in the failing BlackBerry company
18:18 Peacock ruskie, so why do you think they bought them?
18:18 GNADev|zRokh MS buttfucked you (sorry for saying, but its true)
18:19 kaeza Nocte|, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6151 :3
18:19 mahomet funnily enough, Windows Mobile 6.5 had BBM port
18:19 ruskie Peacock, because microsoft needs the manufacturing capability
18:19 mahomet well actually it had a whole port of Blackberry OS running as an app lol
18:19 mahomet GNADev|zRokh: i am aware, they abandoned it
18:19 ruskie Peacock, they bought that as well
18:19 Peacock "when Nokia’s Canadian CEO and former Microsoft executive, Stephen Elop, agreed to use Microsoft’s Windows phone operating system for its new devices."
18:19 mahomet and while the community keeps it alive it cannot last forever
18:19 Peacock [ct]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-bus​iness/international-business/us-business/mic​rosoft-buying-nokias-devices-and-services-bu​siness-in-72-billion-deal/article14078586/
18:20 ruskie Peacock, yes I'm well aware of it... why are you linking pointless stuff
18:20 * Nocte| wants to play some Multi today.
18:20 Peacock MS doesn't buy businesses for nothing lol
18:20 Peacock because you're off base lol
18:20 Calinou GNADev|zRokh: WP market share is increasing by quite a lot these days
18:20 Calinou no, in a lot of countries
18:20 Peacock let's stick to the facts and keep away from wishful thinking
18:20 ruskie Peacock, nope... Nokia has not been bought by microsoft... they still exist as a company and just got a ton of cash they can sink into new stuff if they so wish... they're still making network backend gear
18:21 Nocte| I could be interested in trying to build veeeeery deep mines in Co-op style. :p
18:21 mahomet I tried to install Windows Phone 7.8 on my HTC HD2. awful experience. Windows Mobile 6.5 by far superior
18:21 Calinou Nocte|: that's what she said :3
18:21 Nocte| Hehe.
18:21 Peacock and you think nokia will take MS's cash and develope an alternative system despite the deal they have with MS to use WP?
18:21 ruskie Peacock, I would say 7 billion is plenty to develop quite a few OEM devices running android, tizien etc...
18:21 ruskie Peacock, they don't have a deal to use WP anymore
18:21 Nocte| brb.
18:21 Peacock *now entering FantansyLand*
18:21 Calinou any smartphone < 2011 has a bad experience, because of mono core CPU
18:21 ruskie Peacock, that deal is dead in the water on 2014-01-01 when devices+services gets transfered to microsoft
18:22 VanessaE Peacock: visiting the US? ;)
18:22 Peacock wherever ruskie happens to be :P
18:22 Peacock (the universe where evil spock lives)
18:22 mahomet Calinou: my monocore HD2 running WM6.5 ran like a bat out of hell
18:22 mahomet hell, my HTC TyTN and Wizard before that, even.
18:23 mahomet could have MSN on, listening to music, internet explorering, IRC, and nothing got pushed out of memory
18:23 Hunterz does minetest something like groups? i dont like add grant to player, prefer create group, then gran privileges to group
18:23 ruskie Peacock, there is a reasonable chance of it happening but yeah... didn't we have this discussion a few weeks ago and it ended mostly the same? with you doing ad hominem
18:23 mahomet that with a 200mhz processor and 64MB of RAM.
18:24 * ruskie goes listen paint dry... more fun
18:24 mahomet in those days smartphones were /efficient/
18:24 Peacock i dont think ive ever spoken to you about much before tbh
18:24 GNADev|zRokh Microsoft is making the Ad
18:24 GNADev|zRokh ...'s a part of the actual experience
18:24 Peacock but to think MS would buy a good chunk of Nokia's business so they could develop other OS's, is a fantasy IMO
18:25 Calinou mahomet: but programming was also harder, and it looked bad :p
18:25 Calinou and games were much more limited too
18:25 Calinou GNADev|zRokh: so is google...
18:25 VanessaE ads?  people still see ads?
18:25 VanessaE :)
18:25 ruskie Peacock, MS won't... they bought them to further WP no doubt about that... but Nokia the company now has no such restriction
18:26 GNADev|zRokh no, XBox Live has ads on the dashboard even if the user is using XBox Live Gold!
18:26 ruskie nokia had a ton of legacy and management issues
18:26 VanessaE glad I don't use MS products then
18:26 VanessaE screw that.
18:26 ruskie this way they got rid of those and got a bunch of money in the trade
18:26 GNADev|zRokh exactly, VanessaE
18:26 ruskie basically a clean slate for nokia
18:26 VanessaE I only have a Wii and I barely ever turn that on even,.
18:26 ruskie they can do something with it... or they might not
18:26 * GNADev|zRokh thinks it should be Microsoft Hate Day
18:26 ruskie it's up to them
18:26 GNADev|zRokh One does not simply make advertisements a part of the experience.
18:27 Peacock i think any company would be insane to try to introduce another OS now
18:27 VanessaE GNADev|zRokh: I hate Microsoft as much as anyone else, but I have to lower my level of hate just a tad - Bill Gates did admit that Ctrl-Alt-Delete was "a mistake" :)
18:27 ruskie they don't need to introduce another OS
18:27 Peacock unless you make it compatible with either major app market, its doomed to failure
18:27 ruskie what they need to do is make a nokia android device
18:27 ruskie and basically corner the market
18:27 Nocte| Meh. Xbox360 isn't that bad if you don't need multiplayer.
18:27 GNADev|zRokh xD
18:27 Jordach the 360's problem is the Multiplay
18:27 Jordach er*
18:27 Calinou VanessaE: there are a decent amount of people who like microsoft
18:28 Calinou (and aren't MS employees :P)
18:28 Peacock ah well thats basically what i said about blackberry, they should have given up the OS game and specialized in messaging and business apps, and stick to making phones with android and hard keyboard
18:28 mahomet Calinou: i thought it looked reasonable :) on par with WinXP
18:28 VanessaE Calinou: and they're all wrong ;)
18:28 Calinou usually beacuse of WP or Surface Pro
18:28 ruskie Peacock, you wouldn't be the only one
18:28 GNADev|zRokh "If you don't have an internet connection then get a XBox 360"
18:28 Calinou surface (pro) is one of the few tablets, if not only, that can use USB host
18:28 mahomet surface pro is a modernisation of the old tablets (basically laptops with no keyboard)
18:28 Jordach Calinou, i've seen an actual surface
18:28 Peacock MS hate is so passe :P it was allright in the 90s when the OS really did suck balls
18:28 ruskie Peacock, but the difference between blackberry and nokia now... nokia got 7 billion in cash... they have the money to do something like that
18:29 Jordach they're really nice to hold and use
18:29 mahomet new style tablets all followed the iPad
18:29 ruskie blackberry sadly is just sliding into obscurity
18:29 Peacock whereas blackberry just posted a billion dollar loss lol
18:29 Calinou MS hate is justified for Windows & Office monopoly
18:29 ruskie someone actually suggested that the best buy for microsoft would have been blackberry
18:29 Jordach if Microsoft BOUGHT BlackBerry and not Nokia, think of the shit MS could do
18:29 ruskie they would get all the enterprise stuff
18:29 GNADev|zRokh :O
18:29 Calinou surface pro lacks extensible storage/replaceable battery iirc
18:29 Jordach MS = Business, BB = Business
18:29 Calinou and is expensive for what it does
18:29 Peacock <Calinou> MS hate is justified for Windows & Office monopoly
18:29 ruskie and face it... even if you don't like them... they do enterprise/business well
18:29 Peacock what does it matter to you if you use something else?
18:30 mahomet blackberry's been popular with teens for years
18:30 mahomet cheap and allows communication that isn't text messaging
18:30 Calinou because people enforce .doc and .docx on me, and give me software that isn't compatible for linux
18:30 Calinou and make FOSS go backward
18:30 Dan_D VanessaE, what is the current commit message for castle?
18:30 Peacock you expect full compatiblity when linux is less than 1% of the consumer market?
18:31 mahomet i'm sure OpenOffice is quite compatible with docx
18:31 Dan_D It should be:
18:31 Dan_D Update crafting for pb's stuff
18:31 mahomet it is an open standard after all
18:31 * GNADev|zRokh thinks that games should be de-activatable (if registered with a serial key) so that if you don't want to play a game you can give it away (Steam does that already :D )
18:31 ruskie mahomet, maybe 80%
18:31 VanessaE Update crafting for pb's stuff
18:31 GNADev|zRokh or will do
18:31 Peacock if libroffice rendered my doc and docx files properly, i wouldn't need to update my CV from win7
18:31 Dan_D VanessaE, can you update it on your server again?
18:31 ruskie my CV is a latex source file I build into a pdf
18:31 ruskie edit with any text editor
18:31 Peacock and i wont expect employers to install libreoffice just to view little-ol-me's CV lol
18:31 VanessaE Dan_D: pulled and staged.
18:31 mahomet mine's HTML and CSS becaise
18:31 Dan_D Thanks V
18:32 mahomet well, because I like it that way
18:32 mahomet but I generally print it. not that i need it, really
18:32 VanessaE servers updated and restarted
18:32 Nocte| Meh, Steam.. Horrible DRM.
18:32 * Calinou uses steam, but doesn't buy anything on it
18:32 Dan_D Paper copies of files are always good to have
18:32 Peacock i tried using pdf's, but not all employers have adobe shit installed, some have locked down computers too
18:32 Calinou mahomet: LibreOffice works ok with doc and docx
18:32 Calinou not perfect at all :P
18:33 mahomet it's funny how some linux activists think that Steam are FOSS' best friends, but Steam is a walled garden just like the Windows 8 Market they criticise
18:33 GNADev|zRokh k bye
18:33 Peacock well the same file on both suites doesn't look the same :P
18:33 Calinou I never used latex
18:33 Calinou mahomet: "AAA" software is praised when it comes to linux, always
18:33 RealBadAngel https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7343
18:33 Calinou often proprietary :p
18:33 Peacock mahomet don't worry, the slightest bit of proprietary code and we'll have a new crusade on our hands lol
18:34 ruskie Peacock, heh I can believe that... but then such companies wouldn't be my targets anyway
18:34 Nocte| If the physical copies could be played without using Steam, I wouldn't complain about it.
18:34 Peacock ruskie i dont really five a shit what software suite an employer is running, all cash is green
18:34 Peacock *give
18:34 mahomet i like to own a piece of software i have. that is, actually own it, not just have a license. FOSS licenses emulate ownership which is fine
18:34 ruskie Peacock, heh I meant more along the lines of how open they are to alternatives... I run linux exclusively everywhere... even my work box is lunix
18:34 ruskie erm linux
18:35 Peacock if anything, in the tech field, some (many) employers avoid FOSS zealots because its hard to get work done with them around
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18:35 ruskie if I can't do that that employeer isn't much of an interest for me
18:35 ruskie but no I'm not a zealot
18:35 ruskie I'll manage windows servers, domains, other crap just as well
18:35 mahomet freebsd for me, thanks
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18:35 ruskie even better with tools on linux
18:36 Peacock they get into a workplace, and they start advocating they change their whole way of doing things to fit one employee's principals
18:36 ruskie yeah... don't like that myself
18:36 ruskie I'm more of... if it works don't change it
18:36 Calinou Peacock: never saw that happening
18:37 Peacock i mean if it's *your* business, you can do it the way you want, but i wouldn't tell others how to conduct theirs
18:37 Calinou people advocating FOSS usually don't do that at work
18:37 ruskie Peacock, well I need to give input as a sysadmin... hell it's expected of me
18:37 Calinou or ask if they can use their favourite OS at work
18:37 Peacock in NA yeah they do lol
18:37 Calinou if they can, it's cool, if they can't, they'll do with it
18:37 * Jordach advocates FOSS gaming where needed
18:37 Nocte| FOSS?
18:37 ruskie but of course both my manager and boss do prefer no cost solutions
18:37 Calinou +1
18:37 Calinou Free and Open Source Software
18:37 ruskie atleast where it makes sense
18:37 Peacock but zealotry in north america is the same regardless of the religion (more intense)
18:38 Peacock no cost solution is good, but if you run into bugs, need customizations, and the maintainer is gone or doesn't care, you got a problem
18:38 * Jordach managed to get to the network manager on Windows 7 at college
18:39 Jordach jesus fuck there's like 6 servers running the shpw
18:39 Jordach show*
18:39 ruskie Peacock, true... but rarely an issue here
18:39 ruskie Peacock, but yeah exploring stuff is good
18:39 ruskie before implementing
18:39 Peacock heck when i ran a UPS shop, the software for it dated back to win95 lol
18:39 ruskie we have one dev that keeps cursing svn
18:39 ruskie complaining how it's crap etc...
18:39 Jordach git ftw
18:39 ruskie yet all other people have no prob with it
18:40 Jordach ruskie, svn is evil
18:40 Jordach anyone can pick git up
18:40 Peacock svn vs git vs ... is like distro wars lol
18:40 ruskie Jordach, heh we have one guy that started with git recently for personal stuff
18:40 ruskie Peacock, agreed
18:40 Dan_D VanessaE, when you get Crafting Fixes as the github commit message, can you update (AGAIN!) on your server? Thanks
18:40 Peacock jordach not anyone lol
18:40 ruskie he started asking when we'll switch to git... told him go talk with the manager
18:40 Calinou git is better than svn, for nearly everything
18:41 ruskie Calinou, if you have people that have a clue what version control, merging, etc... is...
18:41 ruskie I've given these people atleast 2 full blown 8h courses with svn topics...
18:41 Nocte| Do any of you guys play Roguelikes btw?
18:41 ruskie still run into a brick wall of how to do this
18:42 ruskie and I tried to make things as simple as possible
18:42 Calinou it took me less than a hour on how to use git with github
18:42 Calinou not that hard...
18:42 Calinou yet I suck at programming
18:42 ruskie but apparently I as a sysadmin am the most qualified in using SCM tools
18:42 kahrl Nocte|: I started a few nethack games but didn't get farther than around level 6-7
18:42 Calinou Nocte|: no :P
18:42 ruskie Calinou, I run my own git repos and don't have and won't have a github account
18:42 Nocte| Hehe Kahrl.
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18:43 Nocte| I only get to Dungeon Level 4-5ish.
18:43 ruskie Nocte|, there is a record of my games on nethack.alt.org under the same nick
18:45 Nocte| Nethack is really annoying when it makes you fall to the lower level. :p
18:45 Peacock +1 for cursor mode and clickable hud :-)
18:45 ruskie telnet nethack.alt.org
18:45 ruskie only way to play
18:45 ruskie share the embaresment with everyone in #nethack
18:45 Peacock http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1241/wtfmcedit.png
18:46 thefamilygrog66 wha' happened?
18:46 * Exio4 wants a N9
18:46 ruskie Exio4, why not a used n900?
18:47 Exio4 i can't find any used n900 in my city
18:47 Exio4 only n9
18:48 Nocte| What server is #nethack at?
18:48 ruskie Nocte|, this one
18:48 thexyz Nocte|: any
18:49 Nocte| K.
18:49 ruskie also there is something of interest for you as well brewing check the Neo900(http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142)
18:49 ruskie Exio4, for you ^^
18:49 Exio4 openmoko?
18:49 Calinou ssh? telnet? O_o
18:49 Peacock i miss hard keyboards :P friggin hate touchscreen kb's
18:49 Exio4 n900
18:49 Peacock (tried entering a password with one? lol)
18:49 ruskie Exio4, n900 with new hardware
18:50 Peacock you have to repeat it so many times anyone watching has a good idea what it is lol
18:51 Exio4 i can type my pw w/o problems with a touch kb
18:51 thefamilygrog66 Hey Calinou, can you do me a topic move favour, please?
18:51 thexyz and it also highlights keys you press which is very convenient!
18:51 Exio4 ruskie: can't check atm, though
18:51 thexyz I mean, it's even easier to see the password
18:52 Calinou thefamilygrog66: yes? :)
18:52 Exio4 ruskie: ysing my android device :P
18:52 Exio4 using*
18:53 thefamilygrog66 Thanks: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7307 moved to mod releases?
18:53 ruskie Exio4, heh my tab2 is for having fun mostly
18:53 ruskie don't have any other droid device
18:53 Peacock and the damn screen rotating on the slightest incline lol
18:53 * Exio4 has a lg p350g
18:53 ruskie Peacock, I have that disabled hehe
18:53 Exio4 Peacock: disable it
18:53 ruskie on any device
18:53 thefamilygrog66 I've enabled it on my tablet - keeps me on my toes.
18:53 Exio4 i have it enabled because broken touchscreen
18:54 Exio4 half works, half doesn't
18:54 Peacock that too - my old old nokia phone could bounce off walls and floors and still work lol
18:54 ruskie yeah
18:54 ruskie glad I still have all my old nokia phones
18:54 Exio4 nokia
18:54 Peacock which was pretty handy when i had frustrating calls lol
18:54 Peacock it kinda, "leapt" out of my hands lol
18:54 Exio4 nokia 1100
18:55 Exio4 you can break things with it, yet you can't break it
18:55 Peacock sucks that i cant sell all those free cruises i won, i'd be a billionaire
18:55 ruskie nokia 5110(~1999), 5140i, n95 are all the ones I have
18:55 Exio4 lolwut
18:55 Calinou thefamilygrog66: done :)
18:56 thefamilygrog66 Thank you!
18:56 mahomet nokia 3320
18:56 mahomet now those were some good phones
18:56 mahomet solid
18:56 Exio4 rocks
18:56 Exio4 bricks!
18:57 Peacock http://memeblender.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/0​1/indestructible-nokia-meme-strongest-hammer.jpg
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19:13 Nocte| Do you guys know any good  free & open source FPS games?
19:13 Peacock Zonotic is apparently good
19:13 Peacock never tried
19:13 ShadowNinja Xonotic*
19:14 Peacock return to castle wolfenstein is available on linux, but sound requires some hacking
19:14 ShadowNinja OpenSpades too.
19:14 andersje battlefield4 beta is out.  but...it's not open source, and it takes a metric shitton of hardware.
19:14 Peacock sorry lol spelled it how it sounds
19:14 andersje 8P
19:14 Nocte| I'm using Windows 7 btw.
19:14 Peacock ah, well, return to castle wolfenstein should work fine then
19:15 Peacock my wife really enjoys being able to strip soldiers in that game :P
19:15 Nocte| Seems like every free opensource FPS is like some Sci-Fi thing.
19:15 Peacock wolf is ww2
19:15 andersje Nocte|: she'd love fallout3 or fallout:newvegas then
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20:00 Peacock and god said "let there be beer", and there was
20:03 Peacock im pretty sure im making more money writing the shopping cart system than the client is going to make selling greeting cards, but what the heck lol
20:04 * Nocte| whines until somebody plays Multi...
20:05 Nocte| Hehe.
20:06 Peacock Multi?
20:06 Calinou Nocte| would do for a good graphics card, they whine.
20:07 mahomet you just reminded me to pour myself another g&t
20:07 Peacock i like gin, not crazy about the tonic lol
20:07 Calinou hello beer users :>
20:07 VanessaE bbl
20:07 Peacock gin and 7up not bad
20:08 Peacock just missing our german and irish friends and we start beer club (first rule of beer club, do not remember beer club :P)
20:09 Nocte| Multi = Multiplayer.
20:09 Peacock there are many multi servers online
20:10 Nocte| What about Russians? Oh wait, those are bots and vodka drinkers. ;)
20:10 Peacock i haven't touched vodka since the last blackout lol
20:10 Peacock apparently karaoke was involved
20:10 Peacock this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8hjtFq3vE0
20:11 Nocte| And most embarassing song sung?
20:11 Nocte| ;)
20:11 Peacock apparently after that i recited a klingon drinking song lol
20:11 Peacock and people were like "wtf?"
20:11 Peacock lol
20:12 Nocte| At least it wasn't THAT embarassing.
20:12 Nocte| :|
20:12 Nocte| You could've been singing some random bad pop songs.
20:12 Peacock id have to know them first lol
20:13 Nocte| If I would get drunk at one point and sing something: I would sing this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJJ4s-bFnjE
20:13 Peacock i tend more towards classical, jazz and half the stuff on hypem.com
20:13 Nocte| Best Metal party song ever.
20:13 Peacock there it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Od7wNxwq8k
20:14 jin_xi Qapla'
20:15 Nocte| Lol, Klingon.
20:15 Peacock at least I didn't do Three Little Maids
20:15 Peacock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0b5KKIkm7k
20:16 Peacock wrong clip
20:16 Peacock this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvCf8HyvOQE
20:17 Peacock wrong clip too, wtf youtube lol
20:17 Peacock i click on a link, it loads the video from the last page
20:18 Jordach finally!
20:18 Jordach finally got the lasers to delete themselves when they go into the offscreen buffer
20:19 Jordach (now the player can't spam them ;) )
20:19 Jordach anyways, im out for the night
20:19 Hunterz http://sfan.sf.funpic.de/minetest-buil​ds/c55/minetest-0.4.7-3c4734d-win32.7z
20:19 Peacock the night is young
20:19 Hunterz thsi solve problem with 3d armor
20:19 Hunterz this
20:19 Hunterz unoficial build
20:19 Peacock the fun thing with entities is you can change the texture i think without restarting
20:20 Nocte| I had to learn this as a second song for my guitar class: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CHjYHwNzx0
20:20 Peacock oh deer lord i always sucked with musical instruments
20:20 Nocte| Its SIMPLE!
20:20 Peacock in HS, i got 100% in math, 0% in music lol
20:20 Nocte| So simple that I played faster than that version. ;)
20:21 Nocte| And I'm a newbie.
20:21 * Nocte| thinks he played faster than supposed because of too much Metal. :|
20:21 Peacock wasn't much better at team sports lol always preferred solo stuff like cycling, running, etc.
20:21 Nocte| Yeah, I sucked at music classes in school.
20:22 Peacock and tbh i could take my teacher seriously with those ridiculously short gym shorts lol
20:22 Nocte| Since, IT WAS DULL AND SO BORING THE TEACHERS WERE BAD. /rant.
20:22 Peacock *couldn't
20:22 Peacock dont bitch too much :P when i attended HS i had the same teachers my parents got, except they were near retirement
20:22 Nocte| And now I'm playing guitar. I guess you can't ever tell what happens in the future.
20:23 Nocte| Heh.
20:23 Peacock my parents wanted me to be an engineer, but none of the engineers in my family looked like they enjoyed life or their jobs so it put me off lol
20:24 * Calinou likes metal
20:24 Nocte| Also I disliked the science classes because of.. Well, guess who? The teachers. Hehehehehehe.
20:24 Calinou I don't play an instrument
20:24 * paramat has a lifelong obsession with extreme metal
20:24 Nocte| pramat, check out Warpath - Damnation.
20:24 Nocte| Sounds like Thrash from 80's.
20:24 * jin_xi shrieks
20:25 jin_xi fuck yeah metal!
20:25 Peacock i was a fan of rammstein and deftones in HS lol
20:25 * Nocte| has like 18(?) albums already... Physical copies of course.
20:26 Nocte| And I'm getting King of Asgard - Fi'mbulvintr tomorrow. Had to wait for it. Hehe.
20:27 paramat my recent obsession is atmospheric/ambient/avantgarde black metal, from N. Europe usually
20:27 Nocte| Heard of The Gathering?
20:27 Nocte| Its sort of Alternative Doom-ish gothic metal I guess.
20:28 Calinou is it magic?
20:28 * Calinou gallops away
20:28 Nocte| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPjuuLKsGbM <- there.
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20:28 * Nocte| stabs Calinou for a bad joke.
20:28 * Calinou backstabs Nocte|
20:28 paramat the gathering yes
20:28 * Nocte| regenerates.
20:28 Nocte| Also: Ensiferum & Amon Amarth are great. :D
20:28 Nocte| Also saw Wintersun this year.
20:29 paramat :)
20:29 Peacock ugh, i hate concerts
20:29 Peacock screaming teenie boppers everywhere lol
20:29 Nocte| It was a Metal festival in the nearest town.
20:30 Nocte| And nope, we didn't get those.
20:30 Nocte| ;)
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20:30 Nocte| Actually, Rock/Metal festival.
20:30 Peacock lucky, here the guys always drag their gfs
20:30 Peacock plus it's getting prohibitively expensive to go
20:30 Nocte| Also saw Michael Monroe and Von Hertzen Brothers. Both were great.
20:31 Nocte| Ah.
20:31 Nocte| We had to pay around 50€ or something for each tickets I think.
20:32 Nocte| But it was worth it since that kind of stuff rarely happens around here.
20:34 Peacock for 70$ i could buy another sub lol
20:34 Peacock (i love how the units here are all concrete insulated)
20:34 Nocte| Yeh. (Hey, its kind of middle of nowhere around me.)
20:35 Peacock me too, but i chose it
20:35 Nocte| Normal shows cost around 24€ in the place where the bands typically play.
20:35 Nocte| (The tickets that is...)
20:35 Peacock lived in two of Canada's 3 largest cities for 26 years, wanted something more quiet
20:36 Nocte| Ah.
20:36 Peacock too many friends of mine were getting robbed of their cellphones at knife-point in my last city
20:36 Nocte| Really? That's weird.
20:36 Peacock and some stupid hoods were going around shooting dogs in the backyards of people in my old neighbourhood, so i was like fuck this
20:37 Nocte| And no police activity?
20:37 Peacock cops where i live now don't have to go through that sensitivity training bullshit lol
20:37 Nocte| 'Sensitivity training' = brainwash. ;)
20:37 Peacock police yeah, but what can the cops do when there are constant cries of profiling and the media eats it up?
20:37 Peacock damned if they do their jobs damned if they dont
20:38 Nocte| "Ooh, he's arresting a black guy! THAT'S RACIST!" <- this?
20:38 Peacock i worked in a convenience store for 3 years lol and everytime i caught a hood shoplifting beer or some other shit, they were like "youre racist" and im like "because i caught you stealing?"
20:39 Peacock i caught plenty of crackers too, but they didn't make a scene about it
20:39 Nocte| Heh.
20:40 Peacock but that's the state of policing in major cities here now
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20:40 Nocte| Sounds like its as bad as Gotham City in DC universe.
20:40 Peacock so id rather live where it's safe and the laws don't change depending on the colour of your skin
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20:40 andersje yeah, I'd hate to live in NY
20:41 Peacock you'd have to be nearly rich to really "live" there
20:41 kahrl when I take a walk down some roads in some towns, dogs come running out of the houses and bark like hell is going to break loose
20:41 andersje no kidding
20:41 kahrl I can almost understand why people shoot them
20:41 andersje the amount of money it would take me to live nicely in NY would allow me to retire in the Northern plains.
20:41 andersje South Dakota is cheap to live
20:42 andersje an unleashed dog is a public health problem
20:42 andersje if not a public safety problem
20:42 Peacock im talking about shooting pet dogs in the backyards of people for fun
20:42 Peacock more to the point, it's a property crime
20:43 Peacock unless you plan on trespassing into someone's backyard, the dog isn't really your concern
20:44 Nocte| Hmm.
20:44 Peacock speaking of NY lol : http://bigstory.ap.org/article/4-wou​nded-nyc-bike-path-stabbing-slashing
20:44 Nocte| Sounds like Finland is safe after all. :|
20:44 kahrl Peacock: unless the dog thinks its territory is larger than the backyard :P
20:44 Peacock if you actually do get bit, then the authorities itself will put the dog down :P
20:45 Peacock but these kids were doing it for fun
20:45 Peacock its like some sort of initiation rite for street gangs here
20:45 Peacock (in the absence of finding anyone to beat up)
20:47 Nocte| Crazy Americans. :|
20:47 Peacock this is Canada, America has it worse :P
20:48 Peacock (racial-tension wise)
20:48 Nocte| Yeh.
20:48 Peacock crimes aren't really race based here, it's economic
20:49 Peacock though street gangs is more concentrated in enclaves
20:49 Nocte| Too bad the gang situation in America has gotten out of hand.
20:50 Peacock though, the crackers have biker gangs and mafia, so... lol
20:50 Peacock its just that the mafia and bikers operate more under the radar
20:50 Nocte| Meh.
20:50 Nocte| And they don't cause *that* much chaos.
20:50 Peacock in TO the gangs fight their wars in public places, and there tends to collateral damage
20:51 Nocte| Seems like Bikers and Mafias have higher intelligence. ;)
20:51 Peacock they're just used to western policing
20:51 Peacock and know who to pay off :P
20:51 Nocte| = Higher intelligence.
20:53 Peacock well sometimes even the mafia have collateral damage: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De​_la_Concorde_overpass_collapse
20:53 Peacock they have a hand in every construction company around here, which accounts for so much of the shoddy work done
20:56 Nocte| Ah.
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20:56 Peacock chunks of falling concrete from all sorts of structures in Montreal is a common occurrence :P
20:57 Nocte| This is starting to sound like Cyberpunk..
20:57 Peacock cyberpunk?
20:57 Nocte| Near-Future subgenre of Sci-Fi.
20:57 Peacock more like those 70's dystopian movies :P
20:58 Nocte| Basically everything is owned by corporations, crime rate is high.
20:58 Nocte| (Corporations can sometime be total douchebags and connected with criminals.)
20:58 Nocte| Cybernetics, advanced  technology etc.
20:59 Nocte| And economy is usually shitty.
20:59 Peacock neo-Victorian lol
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20:59 Nocte| Matrix has some elements of Cyberpunk for example.
20:59 Peacock though i wish someone would point out a time where business didn't rule government lol
21:00 Nocte| The Matrix virtual reality etc.
21:00 kaeza Shadowrun is a nice example of cyberpunk
21:00 Nocte| Cybernetic = robotic body parts btw.
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21:01 Peacock though, for companies running the whole show, you need to look more to the past: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company
21:01 Nocte| Shadowrun. Hah, if you want Fantasy Cyberpunk that is.
21:01 kaeza well, yes :P
21:02 * kaeza only played the videogame though; not much of a fan of pen & paper RPGs =/
21:02 Nocte| Those are the basics of Cyberpunk. TL;DR = Shitty world.
21:03 Peacock Rhodesia was at first company-run too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/Company_rule_in_Rhodesia
21:04 Nocte| Ah.
21:04 Nocte| Oh also: Anyone who has seen Psycho-Pass? (Good Sci-Fi anime.)
21:05 Peacock the show Jericho dealt with that idea too with it's Allied States of America
21:07 Nocte| But yeah. Somebody should make a cool Cyberpunk FPS game.
21:07 Nocte| With a good story.
21:07 Peacock my server is pretty random, but it has a custom pipes mod with steam power
21:08 * Nocte| wants to play Multi. :(
21:09 Peacock server's rarely up publicly these days tho, 99% of players just want to dick around and i hate babysitting lol
21:09 Peacock i could code a chatbot into mobs and have more intelligent conversations than with the people that come on lol
21:10 * Nocte| waves dicks around in Peacock's server.
21:10 * Nocte| jokes.
21:10 Nocte| But yeah, it could be fun to do a multi in a fresh, new world.
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21:12 Nocte| So, anyone up for that?
21:13 Peacock seems more people are increasingly thinking about whitelists lol
21:14 kaeza ^
21:14 Peacock making servers semi-public (or invitation only)
21:14 Nocte| Invitation-only would be good. :P
21:15 Nocte| It would be cool to be able to set up a private game like that.
21:16 Peacock it kinda sucks for the sense of community (if there is one) since the best servers would be out of reach, but people's maturity pretty much lead to it
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21:17 thefamilygrog66 < Elite Server, haha.
21:19 Nocte| Is there a way to join a private game anyways?
21:20 Peacock usually by invitation :P
21:22 Nocte| How long does it take to dig to the deepest point? :p
21:23 FreeFull I think it's about 30000 blocks you have to dig through
21:23 ShadowNinja A week or so, I think.
21:23 FreeFull It's much faster to teleport there
21:23 ShadowNinja xiong: ^
21:23 FreeFull Or use some extreme mapgen
21:26 * Nocte| generates troll map by having 90% desert.
21:26 Nocte| And 10% forest.
21:26 Nocte| ;)
21:29 Peacock practically a wasteland map :P
21:29 Peacock would be even cooler if trees only grew on dirt
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21:30 FreeFull Make all the forests entirely underground
21:30 Peacock youd need huge caverns for that
21:30 FreeFull Yeah
21:30 FreeFull How about underground rivers?
21:30 FreeFull And rivers in general
21:30 Peacock they'd have to learn to keep the cavegen from operating over ground before getting a river gen to run underground :P
21:31 zat Someone knows a player called bryn on some server?
21:31 Peacock sounds familiar
21:31 Peacock nope, not on my banlist
21:32 zat uh
21:32 zat maybe in logs? :P
21:32 Peacock y whats up?
21:33 Peacock (the time it takes me to load the log... lol)
21:33 zat grep the log lol
21:33 zat nah he just left a sign insulting the admin, me.
21:34 zat for claiming something that “i did not build”
21:34 Peacock tried to dig shit in my city, gave up pretty quickly
21:34 zat ??????
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21:37 Nocte| Hmm.
21:37 Peacock your average MT player: http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/upload​s/2011/12/i-can-count-to-potato-meme.jpg
21:37 Nocte| Morelikely 'I can count to Pot'. /joke.
21:38 Peacock please, most of the kids here won't touch booze, drugs or pussy lol
21:38 Nocte| Hehe.
21:38 Nocte| Neither will I.
21:38 Nocte| (Due to bad physical condition etc.
21:38 Nocte| Wouldn't want to make it worse.)
21:39 Peacock oh heck my heart stopped when i was 18, i still do it lol
21:39 * Nocte| pokes Peacock to multi. :<
21:39 Nocte| :|*
21:40 Peacock not running hte server right now
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21:40 Peacock putting off cleaning, essentially lol
21:41 Nocte| Start a new server? :p
21:42 Peacock naw, cuz then i'd have to ban every other retard that signs on
21:43 Nocte| Is it possible for me to start a private server?
21:43 Nocte| And does it make the connection laggy?
21:43 Peacock AP - Government shutdown latest: -Gettysburg KKK rally canceled
21:43 Peacock didn't know they were funded by the fed lol
21:44 Nocte| Wait whut, somebody did something about the KKK stuff going on?
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21:44 Nocte| Haha.
21:44 Peacock im trying to figure out how it's related to the gov't shutdown lol
21:48 Exio4 Peacock: sush
21:49 Peacock exio blow me
21:49 Exio4 i don't like beer tho
21:49 Exio4 vodka > beer
21:51 Peacock damnit, im gonna have to have a talk with the fat cow upstairs, every time she empties a bucket of bleach on her balcony, it comes down on my windows
21:51 Nocte| Ouch.
21:51 * Nocte| pokes somebody to Multi. :(
21:55 Peacock i dont know how she does, i get the impression she moves furniture at night, though it might just be her walking about her apartment lol
21:55 Peacock saw her waddling down the street once, omg lol
22:03 Peacock windows clean, that shit smells nasty
22:03 Nocte| Anyone else who reads Creepypasta btw?
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22:08 Peacock lol it's always the people you don't want to see topless: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montrea​l/topless-protest-against-pq-values-c​harter-inside-legislature-1.1875209
22:10 Nocte| 'pq'?
22:10 Peacock Parti Quebecois
22:10 Peacock our separatist party
22:10 Naked are you mauvebic?
22:10 Peacock course
22:11 Naked been wondering for a loong time why the name change
22:11 Peacock cuz i was away from MT for a while and made the mistake of registering the last nick lol
22:11 Naked ohh
22:11 Peacock this one's registered too, but i wrote down the password this time lol
22:12 Naked well I am maybe 3/4 or 2.5/4 through star trek tng
22:12 Peacock oh god hope you skipped the first two seasons, theyre bad lol
22:12 Naked finally got through the first season
22:12 Naked no skipping but I painfuly finished them
22:12 Peacock so you saw the gay planet? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wCHPPKWOuPw/UAbloYQnOj​I/AAAAAAAAAWg/uN4LrHr0PI0/s1600/justice+kids.jpg
22:13 Naked ohh that one
22:13 Naked yeah
22:13 Nocte| Lol, what's this gay stuff? :|
22:13 Peacock look at the pic :P
22:13 * Nocte| doesn't want to ruin his eyes. ;)
22:13 Naked its the everyone has sex with everyone 24/7 all the time planet
22:14 Naked and where "kids" have a full hairy chest
22:14 Nocte| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFpJKOngQoU <- also this. Awesome, awesome song.
22:14 Naked my favorite race are the Q
22:14 Peacock everyone had a hairy chest in the 80s lol
22:15 Naked and I noticed how Number 1 or Ryker never sits like a human
22:16 Nocte| Hah, talk about hairy people? I got hairy arms already and I need to keep my facial hair down once a week in order to not grow a beard. And I'm 18. :|
22:16 Nocte| Talk about worst luck.
22:17 Naked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVIGhYMwRgs
22:17 Naked how commander ryker sits down
22:18 Peacock meh, i could shave every day, and id still have a five o clock shadow at noon, so i just keep the beard trimmed instead lol
22:18 deltib I never noticed this untill it was pointed out
22:18 Naked after so much star trek I can say that I hate the future earth of that series
22:18 Nocte| Naked, that must've been a running gag with the writers.
22:18 Peacock naked well of course, its a communist nightmare
22:19 Peacock they have replicators but insist on all wearing the same shit and decorating their homes exactly the same
22:19 Naked yeah
22:19 Nocte| Why do people like Star Trek again? (It seem soooo dull and slow.)
22:19 Nocte| Seems*
22:19 Nocte| Damnit.
22:19 Peacock but hell spandex rarely looks good on a fit person, so never mind someone in their 40s
22:19 Naked when they show the Starfleet clothing of 20 years in the past I prefer that uniform to the crappy shit they were now
22:20 Peacock the old red uniforms were the best yeah
22:20 Peacock reminded me of BSG uniforms
22:20 Peacock later TNG was good, lots of fucked sciency shit
22:20 Peacock DS9 was pretty dark
22:20 Nocte| And didn't the red shirts die a lot or have I been told something wrong?
22:20 Naked and betazoids are too OP
22:20 Peacock VOY was a rehash of the previous two series
22:20 Peacock and ENT was a joke
22:21 deltib there was an episode of TOS where the away team beamed down to a planet with two redshirts...and they BOTH lived
22:21 Naked Troi can feel the emotions of a person touhsands of kilometers or hundreds of kilometers from her
22:21 Peacock Troi was there for the tits
22:22 Peacock the uniforms she wore pretty much gave that away
22:22 Peacock same for Seven of Nine, subjunction double-D
22:22 Naked she talks weird
22:23 Peacock she's a flake
22:23 Nocte| Wait, TWO surviving red shirts!?
22:23 Nocte| That's WRONG!
22:23 Nocte| The writers were high.
22:24 Nocte| Also: The best 'let's play' of a game, http://spoonyexperiment.com​/category/lets-play/swat-4/
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22:30 paramat hmmmm, i'm attempting to write the vmanip version of paragen lua mapgen mod. So i'm using 'local vi = area:index(x, y, z)' as the index of the voxelarea, can i use the same index 'vi' for 'nvals[vi]' to get the perlin noise for that node from a 3D flat perlin map?
22:31 hmmmm the answer would be 'yes', if, and ONLY if, area:index(0, 0, 0) == 1
22:34 hmmmm that isn't likely to be the case however
22:35 paramat thanks :)
22:35 hmmmm err, rather, nevermind that.  just ignore what I said.
22:35 paramat ok ha
22:35 hmmmm in order to find the index in the array of the flat noise map you have to calculate it in the same way that voxelarea calculates that
22:36 hmmmm the reason why I'm able to just keep adding one in my mapgen example is because I only iterate through the area that's the dimensions of the noise buffer
22:36 hmmmm unit stride
22:36 paramat yes
22:37 paramat i work through columns and then down each column
22:37 Nocte| How can I make a custom gen map?
22:37 hmmmm so basically, what I mean to say, is that MinArea and MaxArea of the VoxelArea would need to be the position passed along to get3d_flat(), and that same position + the size
22:38 hmmmm in order to use the same index for both
22:38 paramat ok
22:38 hmmmm in other words, don't use the same index
22:39 paramat 'local ni = area:index(x, y, z)' not sure this will work
22:39 paramat sirry can't test it, writing it blind in 0.4.7 :)
22:39 hmmmm that won't work
22:39 hmmmm why don't you keep a delta version handy?
22:40 paramat delta? i am a bad programmer
22:40 hmmmm erm, what you could do I guess is have another VoxelArea for the volume of noise you created
22:41 hmmmm i'm really sorry about all this mess, but the voxelmanip and related functions are designed to be fast, not user friendly
22:41 paramat no problem, i'm extremely grateful for it, and prefer it to be close to core. Thank you for your work :)
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22:42 paramat LVM will make my mapgens practical, although perhaps not fast enough for a server
22:42 hmmmm they'll be plenty fast for a server
22:43 Peacock maybe a simpler version of paragen for servers would do the trick?
22:43 hmmmm also I will remind you that you can make your own mapgen in the core, we would merge that no problem because your work is great
22:44 Nocte| So.. Any mods that allow world creation manipulation?
22:44 Peacock well instead of hardcoding mapgens for all his different mods, why not 1 mapgen objects he can use for all?
22:44 Peacock *object
22:44 paramat :)
22:44 hmmmm so I didn't code at all at work today
22:44 hmmmm i think i'm going to hack some minetest
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22:45 Peacock hackin's always fun :-)
22:45 xiong ShadowNinja, if you're thinking about restricting players then I suggest you /join ##athens. We're talking about a jointly-owned server -- not bossed by one person -- the server paid for by property taxes on ingame land claims, paid for in Real Life Cash. The per-citizen burden should be very light; but the server well funded.
22:46 Peacock doubt people will put real money on servers :P
22:46 Peacock if they could, they'd have bought MC in the first place
22:46 hmmmm erm, paramat, just to say it clearly once and for all:
22:47 hmmmm what I meant to say before is that, in order to be able to share the same index between the noise buffer and the voxelarea, it must be the case that emin == minp and emax == maxp
22:48 hmmmm but with the way on_generated works, that's never the case
22:48 Peacock on_gen ain't the best thing for map generation, ores yeah, but not whole terrains :/
22:49 Peacock i wish i could use paramat's mods on my server, but ongen kills it
22:49 paramat ongen is the best way surely :)
22:49 Peacock the only way right now yeah
22:49 Peacock but thats why i suggest harnessing the engine's mapgen instead :-)
22:50 Peacock would make multi-realm maps easy as pie
22:50 Peacock apple pie, even
22:50 paramat yep i even thought of adding biomes to MGV7's stone
22:51 Peacock theres been alot of chat about biomes in the last few days
22:51 Peacock savannah, plains, plateaux, valleys
22:51 Peacock would blow mgv6 out of the water :-)
22:53 * Nocte| wants Minetest world generator. :|
22:53 Peacock not sure how mountains could be done, right now they look rather conic/stretched-sphere
22:54 * Nocte| wants peopl to create some crazy stuff in Minetest.
22:54 Nocte| People*
22:54 paramat pure 3D noise mountains in my mods look good, the stretched look is due to using an exponential height thing
22:55 paramat ... which i haven't used yet
22:58 paramat so ... 'index(x, y, z) ^ useful for things like VoxelManip, raw Schematic specifiers, PerlinNoiseMap:get2d/3dMap'. Anyone know how i get the noise index for a flat 3D perlin map?
22:59 Peacock i suck at noise lol
22:59 paramat heehee suck at noise
23:00 Nocte| So, is there anything that would do world gen with you setting the percentages to the basic stuff. (Forest, Desert, Land, Water.) Then hit generate?
23:03 paramat the new perlin noise map stuff will speed up paragen, just a few more hours work
23:03 paramat Nocte, you can set the rarity of deserts i think in minetest.conf
23:04 Nocte| Whoa. o.o I just spawned next to forest with trees with apples. :D
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23:06 xiong Why does some hoed dirt look wetter than others under similar conditions?
23:08 * paramat thanks his mapgen guru hm-mm
23:08 Nocte| Lol, I foun floating land.
23:13 paramat btw captain p, 'mg' lua mapgen by N. is very different code to paragen, he just has the same 2D biome system of temp and humidity and 4 thresholds dividing that square into 9
23:27 Nocte| Ugh... Typoing without noticing. :|
23:30 paramat indeed, my 'sirry' above was actually a 'sorry' :}
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23:40 Nocte| Hmm. Do any of you guys watch horror movies? :p
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23:42 xiong Not usually, Nocte|; I think most aren't well done.
23:43 Nocte| Yeh.
23:43 Nocte| I'm trying to look for one that's perfect in the atmosphere and psychological treat like the Twilight Zone episodes.
23:43 xiong Some of the classics are very good; but most are just a bit silly. It's hard to convince me that Satan has spawned an invulnerable, bloodthirsty idiot who has evaded detection and capture by the police for decades... or centuries.
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23:44 Nocte| Hehe...
23:44 Nocte| That sounds like B movie stuff.
23:44 xiong The archetype of the horror film is the battle between abstract Good and Evil; and if the story is faithful to the archetype then there are no surprises; if it is not, it is a mockery.
23:44 Nocte| Except when its Lovecraft.
23:44 Nocte| ;)
23:45 * us_0gb doesn't believe in good or evil
23:45 xiong Therefore the villain can never be killed because Evil cannot be destroyed, only set at bay temporarily; therefore Evil always is defeated eventually; and therefore the only survivor is the (virtuous) virgin, while the (lustful) girl who gives the film its R is always the first to die.
23:46 Nocte| Hah.
23:46 Nocte| Or the 'Black guy always die first' applies.
23:46 xiong Well, in that context, being black is almost as bad as smoking pot.
23:47 Nocte| Hehe, I could imagine dialogue with two black guys who are aware they are in a horror movie: "So, which one of us dies first?"
23:47 xiong Really, in that genre, no male protagonist can survive.
23:48 Nocte| Hmm...
23:48 xiong Between Zombieland and Shawn of the Dead, I don't think there's anything more to say in horror.
23:48 Nocte| I'm talking about more of the psychological horror stuff.
23:48 Nocte| Zombie Land was funny.
23:49 xiong 'Zombieland', one word.
23:49 xiong Oh well. I'd call that 'suspense' and shovel a lot of films into that box.
23:49 xiong A lot of those I enjoy, too.
23:50 Nocte| Ever saw Supernatural?
23:50 Nocte| (The TV show.)
23:50 xiong I own a teevee but I have not plugged it in, in the last five years.
23:51 Nocte| I watched it online. ;)
23:51 Nocte| Its quite good if you like 'Monster of the Week' type shows.
23:51 xiong I recoil in horror from any modern tale involving the word 'supernatural'. Such stuff is less well behaved than unicorn stuff.
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23:52 Nocte| With monster hunters as the main characters.
23:52 Evergreen How on earth did we start talking about steam punk on this topic:   https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=112852#p112852
23:52 Nocte| xiong, its sort of Comedy, Fantasy and Horror.
23:52 xiong Why won't my cotton grow?
23:52 Nocte| And the comedy is... Weird.
23:53 Nocte| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDV22CVE9sE <- example of the humor.
23:53 Nocte| That happened after the episode.
23:54 xiong Um, you don't seem receptive to the thought that I'm able to live without teevee.
23:54 Nocte| You can buy it on DVD. :|
23:54 Nocte| Or Blu-ray whatever.
23:55 Nocte| Oh well, you are missing out stuff.
23:55 paramat 'suck at noise' is a good name for a metal band heh
23:55 xiong I can buy whiskey in a small glass bottle, a tiny glass bottle, a large glass bottle, a huge glass bottle, a large drinking glass, a small shot glass, a Mason jar, a plastic squeeze bulb, and, I don't doubt, in a half coconut.
23:55 xiong But I don't drink that stuff, sorry.
23:56 Peacock 'suck at noise' is a good name for a metal band heh
23:56 Peacock true that lol
23:56 Nocte| Some good stuff that aired in recent years: Heroes BBC, Sherlock and Supernatural.
23:56 Peacock sorry but BBC series have sucked for quite a while :P
23:56 kaeza yarr mateys! https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=112872#p112872
23:56 Peacock Dr. Who : daleks daleks daleks
23:56 Nocte| Heroes is early as 2004/2005 if I remember right.
23:57 Peacock Atlantis: shitty sets and props
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23:57 xiong Maybe if you didn't watch so much teevee, you could tell me why my cotton isn't growing.
23:57 Peacock in the 70's and 80's BBC made alot of good stuff
23:57 Nocte| I don't watch a lot of TV myself either.
23:57 Nocte| Peacock, anything horror related?
23:58 Peacock Hannibal tv is due to startup again
23:58 Nocte| Meh.
23:58 Nocte| Not much into gore stuff.
23:58 Naked the first season was good
23:58 Peacock what horror isn't gorish?
23:58 Nocte| Twilight Zone+
23:58 Nocte| ?*
23:59 Nocte| Also: Only reason I don't mind gore in the Supernatural stuff is because I got used to it during the show and it wasn't always full of gore.
23:59 Peacock though judging from reactions here last time, too many guys were afraid to pee in their dresses to watch Hannibal movies
23:59 Peacock so maybe my kind of horror is too intense lol

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