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00:01 * Peacock starts the funeral parlour music
00:03 Peacock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmm2k4fRUO4
00:07 UniversalBuilder fuck
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00:10 Peacock the bot's out of order for that :P
00:11 Evergreen Hmm, what can I say that is controversial....
00:11 Evergreen To break the silence
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00:13 AWTom well, you said that at 19:11
00:14 AWTom a pistol was invented in 1911 and 911 is a significant number to Americans for more than one reason
00:14 Peacock well if you want controversial
00:14 Peacock Michael Jackson is proof that in America, a black man can become a successful white woman
00:17 UniversalBuilder qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm
00:18 dafull97 Hey Guys
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00:19 dafull97 Hey
00:19 Evergreen hey
00:19 dafull97 us_0gb still here?
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00:23 * kaeza got a new sig
00:24 * dafull97 is looking for us_0gb
00:24 dafull97 Evergreen
00:25 Evergreen Why does everyone ping me like that?
00:26 dafull97 haha, idk.. i would be like: Evergreen, what i want to say - if it was busy
00:26 dafull97 but i have a Questino for you
00:26 kaeza Questinos for everyone!
00:27 dafull97 What would you like to see new in the Minetest community, but maybe you dont have time to complete/ect.
00:27 dafull97 other than mods,
00:27 dafull97 maybe a Dedicated Chat Server for minetest?
00:27 dafull97 list it... =D
00:28 dafull97 kaeza, you can too ^^
00:28 dafull97 all that is active can... haha
00:29 kaeza wat
00:29 dafull97 What would you like to see new in the Minetest community, but maybe you dont have time to complete/ect.
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00:29 kaeza I read that
00:29 kaeza no need to repeat
00:30 dafull97 ok.. list what you would like to see improve or an idea of somthing new
00:34 ShadowNinja dafull97: BTW it is etc (et cetera)
00:34 dafull97 =P
00:34 dafull97 typo, haha
00:37 Evergreen A question:    Why was cornernote banned?   just curious
00:37 dafull97 ShadowNinja, what would you like to see improved?
00:38 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/VXKtkq6.png ~
00:39 ShadowNinja Evergreen: He requested it.
00:40 ShadowNinja dafull97: Rollback.
00:40 Evergreen I have no idea why people request to be banned
00:40 NekoGloop "requested" is a nice way of putting it
00:41 NekoGloop So who likes my sword? :D
00:41 dafull97 NekoGloop, nice...
00:41 NekoGloop :P
00:41 NekoGloop I literally just made that in like 3 minutes so meh
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00:44 dafull97 yea, looks simple but yet neat
00:45 NekoGloop Well a wooden sword isn't exactly gonna look fancy
00:46 modmasta i have centos6 64bit will any of the downlaodable version run on it (dedicated server)
00:46 NekoGloop ... I have no idea what you just said
00:46 modmasta linux cent os6 operating system
00:47 harrison he has a server
00:47 harrison with Linux
00:47 modmasta twhat version of mine test would be compatable
00:47 harrison not mysterious
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00:48 harrison he was quite clear
00:48 modmasta are any of the devs on here
00:49 modmasta anyone no if there is a player limit ?
00:52 ShadowNinja modmasta: Yes, 15. Although it will lag with more than 8.
00:52 ShadowNinja modmasta: That limit is configurable of course.
00:53 ShadowNinja modmasta: Use a package for your distro or compile from git.
00:53 modmasta its it asycronus ? does it use a thread per socket  or a pool ?
00:54 ShadowNinja modmasta: Minetest is multi threaded, although mods aren't.
00:55 ShadowNinja modmasta: The server wasn't really designed for scalability. :-(
00:56 modmasta that was my curiosity i have not looked at the source yet
00:57 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/SbVT6v2.png Cobble? I think...
00:57 modmasta its not to hard to make a scalable server have to look at the source i guess see whats up
00:58 dafull97 NekoGloop, kinda not :/ sorry
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01:00 NekoGloop Oh.
01:00 NekoGloop Um.
01:01 dafull97 sorry :/
01:01 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/atUdbQ6.png Non-unicode programs are fun!
01:01 dafull97 Lol, WOW
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01:02 NekoGloop So, uh, yeah, Japanese no work
01:02 NekoGloop Thankfully I know the interface :P
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01:04 dafull97 prestotron55, fail? =P
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01:04 dafull97 LOL, Reject? =P goodnight
01:04 modmasta hi nine
01:04 * NekoGloop pets MinetestBot
01:05 * dafull97 Laughs at NekoGloop and prestotron55
01:05 NekoGloop that isn't a command
01:05 modmasta so who writes plugins
01:05 Nineballed hi
01:06 modmasta ok lol
01:07 NekoGloop I write the mod known as GloopTest
01:08 modmasta is there a mod api or you just got to go by the main source ?
01:11 NekoGloop Hello, minecrafter.
01:11 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/u0oG1to.png Well...
01:11 NekoGloop *barfs*
01:12 ShadowNinja modmasta: There is a Lua API. See dev.minetest.net.
01:13 modmasta ShadowNinja:  ty
01:25 dafull97 all that are active(besides ShadowNinja) What would you like to see new in minetest, and what would  you like to see improve in minetest *MODS not included*
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01:43 LazyJ I'd like to see better admin tools, much more stable engine, more options to pare down Minetest to better suit various server/home pc strengths.
01:45 LazyJ Diagnostic tools that admins and players can use like an icon button to test the network connection, cpu stress, and ram consumption. "Is it my computer or is it the connection?"
01:47 LazyJ One of the games I had, way back in the Windows95 days, ran a series of tests and then told you which of the game's settings your computer could handle.
01:47 modmasta would be cool to have new models downloadable from server on client login for custom entities and animations
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01:49 modmasta a server that could run in a shell with no gui
01:50 ShadowNinja modmasta: That is done.
01:50 ShadowNinja modmasta: Everything is downloaded from the server and cached, apart from the code itself.
01:51 modmasta ok nice
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01:54 Dark_Soul ok im here bud
01:54 dafull97 /query Dark_Soul
01:55 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/OYYlEkw.png
01:55 NekoGloop Guess what I made~
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01:56 Dark_Soul what is that?
01:57 NekoGloop you're supposed to guess
01:58 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: Texture pack?
01:58 NekoGloop yay
01:59 Dark_Soul hmmmmm thats my gues shadow
02:04 NekoGloop But what I meant was what was IN the picture :P
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02:14 zat1 A texture pack to scare trypophobics
02:14 dafull97 Het zat1
02:14 dafull97 hay*
02:14 dafull97 hey**
02:14 zat1 hai
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02:25 Kacey hey guys, just a hunch, but i think my forum account got deleted…
02:26 ShadowNinja Kacey: Hello. Long time no see. :-)
02:27 ShadowNinja Kacey: https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=1770
02:28 Kacey i cant log in to it…
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02:30 ShadowNinja Kacey: Have a password reset email sent?
02:32 Kacey_ i got it…
02:34 dafull97 PilzAdam you present?
02:37 dafull97 Developers, and server owners... would 5 players on a server with 256mb RAM Be fine?
02:37 * Kacey_ will be back tomorrow hopefully… derpy phone browser
02:39 kaeza dafull97, my server has 128MB :-)
02:41 kaeza you should be fine with 256MB, as long as it's a dedicated machine that is
02:41 kaeza sup Kacey_
02:41 dafull97 it is dedicated yes... how is the proformace and with how many players?
02:42 kaeza I can't complain
02:42 kaeza 4 or 5 players and runs ok
02:44 dafull97 yea i want to put 6-7 on mine
02:44 dafull97 i have bunch of mods also... how many mods you have?
02:44 ShadowNinja dafull97: It should work, but you really should have 1GB+.
02:45 ShadowNinja dafull97: Only a basic game, no mods like homedecor that add a boatload of textures.
02:45 dafull97 yes... would it have bad proformance with 5-7 players?
02:45 kaeza dafull97, not many heavy ones
02:45 dafull97 i have no heavy cores
02:46 kaeza anyway, off to bed
02:46 kaeza night all
02:46 dafull97 night
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03:01 dafull97 night all
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03:30 Derp_Pig HELLO
03:30 Derp_Pig :D
03:31 Derp_Pig ...
03:32 Derp_Pig pk
03:32 Derp_Pig ok
03:32 Derp_Pig i get it
03:32 Miner_48er hi
03:32 Derp_Pig oh hi
03:33 Derp_Pig so
03:33 Derp_Pig Hows it goin?
03:33 Miner_48er good
03:33 Derp_Pig good good
03:34 Derp_Pig Do you play minetest?
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03:34 ShadowNinja Yes, he does, as do most of us.
03:35 us{0gb I know I do.
03:35 Derp_Pig i was just saying that to start a conversation :P
03:35 * us{0gb doesn't know what the conversation is about
03:36 Miner_48er yes
03:36 ShadowNinja About "Do you play Minetest?". Derp_Pig: #minetest is quieter during these hours, it was more active a few hours ago.
03:37 us{0gb I'm still getting my computer set back up the way I like it. ShadowNinja, your IRC network is at irc.inchra.net?
03:37 ShadowNinja us{0gb: Yes.
03:38 us{0gb Thanks! Adding ...
03:45 us{0gb REALLY!? XChat's alphabetizing of network ignores non-alphanemerics. I hate that "feature" in my file manager too.
03:49 UniversalBuilder em
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05:20 UniversalBuilder hmm
05:20 UniversalBuilder windows or linux
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05:21 us{0gb UniversalBuilder, who are you asking? If you're asking me, I use GNU/Linux.
05:22 UniversalBuilder Everyone
05:22 UniversalBuilder twhich one is beteer for minetest?
05:22 us{0gb Windows is the worst for everything.
05:22 sfan5 ^
05:22 us{0gb Including Minetest.
05:23 us{0gb *Including but not limited to Minetest.
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05:23 UniversalBuilder why?
05:23 cy1 closed source, no peer review, etc
05:23 UniversalBuilder :s
05:24 us{0gb Windows is insecure, resource intensive, breaks itself, and strips you of essential freedoms.
05:24 UniversalBuilder could you explain with more detail, i dont know much about operating systems
05:24 UniversalBuilder what are the essential fredoms?
05:24 sfan5 insecure -> The NSA can tell M$ to add a backdoor to Windows, they won't say no
05:25 us{0gb Beaks itself: Windows slowly deteriorates as you use it. The longer you use it, the slower a Windows machine will become.
05:25 us{0gb Insecure: Also Windows it the worst as far as viruses. Windows just LETS viruses trash the system.
05:25 UniversalBuilder linux is free right?
05:25 us{0gb Linux-libre is free.
05:26 us{0gb Linus is mostly free.
05:26 UniversalBuilder Wow, sounds to good to be true
05:26 * us{0gb recommends Trisquel, a GNU/Linux-libre operating system
05:27 cy1 Charging money for an operating system is quite possibly the biggest computer crime on record.
05:27 UniversalBuilder am i able to switch back to windows?
05:27 us{0gb Free operating systems aren't about cost, but about freedom. The name is VERY misleading.
05:27 us{0gb If you have a Windows install CD, yes.
05:28 cy1 Generally yes UniversalBuilder. One can install both Linux and Windows, though Windows erases any Linux it finds, so install Linux second.
05:28 UniversalBuilder i dont know much about how computer works
05:28 UniversalBuilder So, im not gonna switch because im afraid im going to do something wrong lol
05:29 UniversalBuilder But thanks for the information, i appreciate it
05:29 cy1 http://linuxmint.com/ is good for starting out, I've heard.
05:30 UniversalBuilder I will have to learn mor about computer software before ingaging in this activity
05:30 UniversalBuilder my parents would be mad if i did something wrong
05:31 cy1 us{0gb: There is no functional difference between a virus and copy protection software. That's really why MS gets so many viruses I think. They just use the existing framework, built into it secretly for the use of various corporations.
05:32 us{0gb It's not just copy protection software, is it? Viruses are like any software. If it has the permissions, it can do it, and Windows grants all the permissions.
05:32 cy1 UniversalBuilder: Yes, take your time. Just read about it whenever you like. It's not a huge issue, and going slow always works out better when it comes to an OS
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05:32 UniversalBuilder Thanks man
05:34 cy1 us{0gb: Later versions of Windows 2000/NT+ have pretty good access control systems, though most people just use root because it's easier. :p What's special about MS is for instance the secret files which cannot be viewed by normal filesystem access, even if you enable viewing hidden files.
05:34 us{0gb I see. I was unaware of those.
05:34 us{0gb That's pretty lame.
05:34 cy1 That lets corporations save a timestamp on your computer so they can magically deny you the ability to use their program if you don't pay up after the trial period. It also is a great place to hide viruses!
05:35 us{0gb I wondered where data for that type of thing went.
05:35 cy1 Well, that or the Registry.
05:35 us{0gb Drats. The power flickered and it corupted my server's Minetest world.
05:36 us{0gb The registry is an awful piece of junk, even in a clean environment.
05:36 cy1 The Windows Registry is an interesting security by obscurity, in that it's deliberately complicated so that users won't be able to find the 7 scattered "timestamp" keys, but not secret or hidden particularly.
05:36 VanessaE hi all
05:36 cy1 The key in that case becomes a sort of password, a route through the maze so to speak.
05:36 us{0gb Hello!
05:37 cy1 I don't know any other tricks, sorry.
05:37 us{0gb That makes sense, and is so convoluted ...
05:37 UniversalBuilder is the nsa watching people in the linux operationg system or its only for windows?
05:37 * sfan5 is now away again
05:37 us{0gb Okay, quick question. I need to reverse grep. How do I find the one file that is MISSING a particular line?
05:38 sfan5 us{0gb: one sec
05:38 cy1 grep -v
05:38 us{0gb Awesome. Thanks!
05:38 sfan5 us{0gb: https://gist.github.com/sfan5/6120106
05:38 us{0gb The NSA has no backdoor to GNU/Linux, as the code is exposed and we'd remove the back door.
05:38 sfan5 (should be obvious how it works
05:38 cy1 UniversalBuilder: If the NSA installed watching software in Linux, many people would start yelling about it very loudly, and that source for Linux would either be fixed, or stop being used.
05:38 sfan5 >stop being used
05:39 sfan5 nope, no that
05:39 * sfan5 is now really away
05:39 cy1 Yeah don't download your rpms from notaspy.gov
05:39 us{0gb sfan5, yes, I was looking for PlayerArgsEnd. Thanks!
05:39 UniversalBuilder great
05:40 cy1 VanessaE: Your server is very beautiful I must say.
05:40 VanessaE thanks :)
05:40 cy1 Technic is as much of a pain as ever ofc.
05:41 cy1 I still wonder how you make an alloy furnace to make the tools needed to power an alloy furnace. I just use the one at spawn but :p
05:41 VanessaE there is a coal-powered alloy furnace also I think
05:41 cy1 That would make sense.
05:42 VanessaE afaik there's one really low-end one that doesn't use special materials
05:42 VanessaE (but which is very slow)
05:42 cy1 hm...
05:43 us{0gb sfan5, I ran that command from the players directory, and the defective player is still there.
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05:44 VanessaE at least now (in dev builds I guess), it actually tells you whose player file got b0rk3d.
05:44 hoodedice PilzAdam
05:44 hoodedice https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
05:44 VanessaE he's not usually on at this time of night, hoodedice
05:44 hoodedice Is this the latest build?
05:44 hoodedice (night)
05:45 us{0gb VanessaE, awesome!
05:45 hoodedice Any idea on hat build, VanessaE ?
05:45 hoodedice *that
05:45 hoodedice Last update is 29/8
05:45 VanessaE hoodedice: the commit ID doesn't match the current git commit
05:46 hoodedice (So it's not the latest, cool)
05:46 hoodedice Thanks
05:46 VanessaE 72b9b0f vs 2134316
05:46 VanessaE no clue if it's just latest + some patches by him or not
05:46 VanessaE try it and see?
05:47 us{0gb Grep doesn't seem to be the right tool for this. "grep -iL PlayerArgsEnd" is taking ages ....
05:47 hoodedice Wow, last commit to minetest_game was 2 months ago?
05:49 hoodedice (https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=107963#p107963) Should have read that earlier
05:49 us{0gb I think what is slowing Minetest down is all these player files that are loaded at startup and kept in memory. Why are they not loaded when the player joins and dumped when the player logs out?
05:50 hoodedice What do these 'player files' do anyway?
05:50 us{0gb They store player locations, inventory, health, et cetera.
05:50 VanessaE hoodedice: minetest_game doesn't change much, most of the focus is on the engine.
05:50 us{0gb Data that isn't needed for players that are off line.
05:51 hoodedice dumped = deleted?
05:51 us{0gb Dumped as in taken out of RAM. Leave the copy on disk.
05:51 hoodedice Ain't that obvious?
05:52 hoodedice as in, why it is dumped
05:52 VanessaE us{0gb: even with the thousands of accounts my servers have, the player files only add up to 5MB
05:52 hoodedice Wow
05:52 us{0gb Okay, deleted I thought meant from non-volatile memory. From volatile memory isn't much of a deletion.
05:53 hoodedice Can't see lag in that. Something else is hogging the loading time
05:53 VanessaE loading time is taken up mostly by registering nodes/items and rendering textures I guess
05:53 us{0gb VanessaE, I just removed all the player files and my server is now fast again.
05:53 VanessaE it takes me ~20 seconds to join my own server, for example, and it's on the same box as the client.
05:53 kahrl VanessaE: still, player management could be optimized
05:53 kahrl look at Environment::getPlayer
05:54 kahrl it does a linear search on all players (even logged out ones) to find the one corresponding to a peer_id
05:54 VanessaE (well closer to 25 seconds)
05:54 us{0gb I'm talking about AFTER joining. Way too much lag.
05:54 VanessaE wait, what?
05:54 hoodedice peer_id?
05:54 VanessaE lag as in server/network latency?
05:55 us{0gb I removed the player files and it removed the killer lag on the server. Not really network latency but server latency.
05:55 hoodedice How does that lag the game?
05:55 VanessaE one thing I've noticed my servers doing is saving the maps.  a LOT.
05:55 VanessaE like every couple of seconds, huge CPU and disk spike, even when no one is on
05:55 us{0gb All the players are stored in RAM even when NOT logged in.
05:55 us{0gb I noticed this months ago, but didn't connect it to lag.
05:56 hoodedice " huge CPU and disk spike"
05:56 hoodedice (Windows)
05:56 VanessaE linux.
05:56 VanessaE windows, indeed.  byte your tongue
05:57 VanessaE I may not use the most free-as-in-libre distro out there (Debian), but it sure as hell ain't windows :P
05:57 us{0gb And I think you for that. You make the Internet a beter place by not using the world's worst operating system.
05:57 hoodedice 0100010001101111011011100110010100101110
05:58 us{0gb Even non-free GNU/Linux is pretty good.
05:58 us{0gb OS X is pretty good too, though has at least one major weakness.
05:58 hoodedice (I hate programs that force a 30 day pro trial)
05:58 VanessaE us{0gb: it's made by apple? ;)
05:58 hoodedice "OS X is pretty good too"
05:59 us{0gb VanessaE, it grants an administrator account by default.
05:59 VanessaE oh yes.
06:00 hoodedice https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5067013376/h5B5A4F32/
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06:32 e1z0 is it possible to parse all lua files with php and make a list with items (including pictures), o i can put in the server, or it's better to use directly output from server if its possible ?
06:34 VanessaE not really, no
06:34 VanessaE not unless you write a parser that understands the minetest modding API
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06:34 VanessaE lots of mods use loops or other algorithmic methods to generate nodes/items
06:34 hoodedice Why would you want to do that?
06:34 us{0gb It would be possible, but it would wequire reimplementing a lot of Lua in PHP.
06:34 VanessaE so a simple grep won't work
06:34 us{0gb *require
06:35 e1z0 i need it for publishing item's in the web page with pictures
06:35 e1z0 it would be great for users
06:35 * VanessaE takes e1z0's apostrophe away
06:36 e1z0 i mean block items
06:36 e1z0 lol
06:36 VanessaE seriously though, the only real way to do it is to modify minetest to dump item images and names
06:36 VanessaE cornernote did something like that once
06:36 hoodedice I hate windows.
06:37 hoodedice And Windows movie maker
06:37 hoodedice Because they won't fetch codec for mp4
06:37 hoodedice -.-
06:37 e1z0 hoodedice, lol
06:37 e1z0 use mac
06:37 hoodedice "mac"
06:37 hoodedice Right...
06:38 hoodedice I use Xubuntu mainly, but this is my brother's PC, so... yeah.
06:38 hoodedice (Reminds me, Xubuntu does resemble the mac)
06:39 hoodedice Is there an IRC client that tells you when someone is typing?
06:40 e1z0 for mac ?
06:40 e1z0 or for lunix ?
06:40 hoodedice For anything
06:40 VanessaE impossible.
06:40 VanessaE IRC doesn't support that sort of protocol
06:40 hoodedice (Guessed as much)
06:40 hoodedice Nifty feature though
06:41 e1z0 i don't understand the question correctly
06:41 e1z0 what do you need that irc client to tell you
06:41 hoodedice Ever used Hangouts or WhatsApp?
06:43 VanessaE not enough for the former to be useful and not at all for the latter
06:43 hoodedice Like when the client tells you the other person is typing?
06:43 hoodedice Why so, Van?
06:43 hoodedice Damn the Tab
06:43 e1z0 in channel ?
06:43 VanessaE not used them enough/at all I mean.
06:43 e1z0 oh typing, no!
06:44 e1z0 it's just IRC
06:44 e1z0 it shows text, then user press enter
06:44 e1z0 lol
06:44 hoodedice =.=
06:44 hoodedice I know that much
06:44 hoodedice But I was thinking if it were possible
06:45 VanessaE not possible over IRC without violating the usual protocol
06:45 VanessaE as IRC clients don't send *anything* until you press enter
06:45 VanessaE (other than whatever keep-alive/response signals are needed by the server)
06:46 e1z0 yeah, indeed
06:46 hoodedice hmm
06:47 hoodedice For some reason, minetest is faster on my C2D than on my brother's i3
06:47 hoodedice 15 ps vs 50-60
06:50 hoodedice Did they change the walk_on_sand sound in the latest dev?
06:50 hoodedice It sucks.
06:51 us{0gb The new grass sound sucks too.
06:51 VanessaE I play with sound off anyway
06:53 us{0gb People complained about the sounds, and they went from good to bad. I don't really care myself, but when it comes up, I will state my opinion.
06:54 hoodedice Do mobs move like players?
06:54 VanessaE some do
06:54 us{0gb I think it depends on who built them.
06:54 hoodedice As in, do they move like the computer is pressing some buttons?
06:54 us{0gb Probably not.
06:59 e1z0 is there any irc bot for controling the minetest ?
07:00 VanessaE e1z0: yes
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07:00 e1z0 :O
07:00 VanessaE shadowninja's IRC mod
07:01 VanessaE well, kaeza's/shadow's ... https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3905  ... along with shadow's irc_commands mod... https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5275
07:02 us{0gb How am I suposed to compete with these images? The default Minetest images are too good for me, I can't match their quality.
07:02 e1z0 thanks
07:03 VanessaE us{0gb: eh?
07:03 us{0gb I'm trying to rebuild the game from scratch. My images are nowhere near as good as those in minetest_game.
07:03 VanessaE give it time.
07:03 VanessaE use some of HDX if you want, imho they're good
07:03 us{0gb I don't have time though.
07:05 hoodedice 'I'm trying to rebuild the game from scratch."
07:05 us{0gb Thank you very much for your offer. I could take your lovely images, but that sort of defeats the purpose. I don't know how to explain what that purpose is though.
07:05 * hoodedice applauds
07:05 us{0gb Not the engine though, to be clear.
07:05 us{0gb Also, I'm cheating and using the default sounds, as I have no idea how to deal with those.
07:06 us{0gb The code and images are mine though.
07:06 VanessaE bbl
07:06 us{0gb Bye!
07:06 VanessaE sleep, maybe.  I hope.
07:07 hoodedice Go out, and record sounds
07:07 hoodedice Drink some coffe, it'll help
07:07 hoodedice *coffee
07:07 us{0gb Where do people even get sounds? THey can't be making them out of nothing the way we can make images out of nothing.
07:08 us{0gb Ah, recording. THat would require recording equipment.
07:08 us{0gb Yeah, I better stay away from the sounds for now.
07:08 hoodedice That would require any ordinary phone
07:08 hoodedice Or Android phone
07:09 us{0gb A phone ... I don't know about you, but my phone's cord isn't long enough to take to where outdoorsy sounds would be.
07:09 hoodedice phone cord?
07:09 hoodedice Landline?
07:09 hoodedice lol
07:10 us{0gb You said ordinary phone, which would be a land line, yes.
07:10 hoodedice =.=
07:10 us{0gb Besides, I don't have a cell.
07:10 hoodedice ooooh
07:10 hoodedice S.A.D
07:11 us{0gb Happy for me. I don't need to be tethered by a phone wherever I go.
07:11 hoodedice I'm not tethered ! I'm roaming !
07:11 us{0gb I understand most people need that tether. But it's a bad thing for me.
07:12 us{0gb You are tethered to people, not places.
07:12 hoodedice For me, I don't need/have many social outlets
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07:12 us{0gb People can reach you anywhere with that phone. When I go out, I can't be bothered by people.
07:12 hoodedice I'm not on facebook, and people close to me don't use WhatsApp much
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07:13 hoodedice They can't. I'm limited to Wifi. Like I said, I'm raming
07:13 * Calinou doesn't have a phone
07:13 hoodedice *roaming
07:13 hoodedice (Another one!)
07:13 us{0gb That may be. But in any case, a cell phone would be like an iron shackle for me.
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07:13 hoodedice The world needs more people like you !
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07:14 hoodedice MOOOOOOAAAARRRR !!!!!!!!!1one
07:14 us{0gb Maybe, but not for that reason.
07:14 kahrl us{0gb: you can make 8-bit style sounds with sfxr
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07:15 us{0gb That would be worth trying. Thanks!
07:15 hoodedice (And again, kahrl saves the day)
07:15 us{0gb It would fit the 16^2 pixil images.
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07:23 hoodedice finally
07:23 jrabbit sorry
07:23 hoodedice jrabbit, don't flood
07:23 hoodedice cool.
07:23 jrabbit was carrying laptop downstairs you were unfortunate enmough to be the target :P
07:28 us{0gb I;m not sure how well this will work for Minetest, but the sounds this application makes would be perfect for another project I've been wanting to work on for ages.
07:30 Calinou which application?
07:30 us{0gb Calinou, sfxr.
07:31 us{0gb http://www.drpetter.se/project_sfxr.html
07:36 hoodedice *pew pew*
07:41 * arsdragonfly 's scrollback buffer overflowed
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07:42 us{0gb And all of them say the same thing.
07:42 us{0gb Except one of them.
07:42 us{0gb So you have to read them all to see which one is different, as it has important instructions.
07:46 arsdragonfly Sounds like a badly-designed plot of a game
07:47 us{0gb I saw a game where the plot is that you are the guy at the border checking peoples' paperwork and clearing them for entry into the country. How incredibly boring!
07:48 us{0gb Who would possibly want to play that?
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08:00 e1z0 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3905
08:00 e1z0 this does not work
08:00 e1z0 minetest/server/bin/../mods/irc/init.lua:23: module 'irc' not found:
08:02 e1z0 hmm i think i need https://github.com/ShadowNinja/LuaIRC
08:10 hoodedice us{0gb: Which game is that?
08:14 e1z0 can't get it to work
08:15 e1z0 module 'socket' not found:
08:15 e1z0 but i installed sockets
08:16 e1z0 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 gaming gaming   29 Sep 30 11:12 socket.lua -> /usr/share/lua/5.1/socket.lua
08:16 e1z0 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 gaming gaming   34 Sep 30 11:14 socket.so -> /usr/lib/liblua5.1-socket.so.2.0.0
08:16 e1z0 and everything is linked as well
08:20 us{0gb hoodedice, I think it's called Papers, Please.
08:35 e1z0 i've got http://pastebin.com/ca3wBSWu this, after trying to load https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc
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08:36 e1z0 VanessaE, maybe you have some sugguestions about this ?
08:36 e1z0 :-)
08:41 e1z0 ah i think i'm found the solution
08:42 cy1 someone needs to reeeeally explain switching stations in technic. Also converting from LV to MV since there aren't any MV generators besides solar.
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08:49 e1z0 hmm but the bot does not come to irc
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08:50 john_minetest Hello everypony
08:51 cy1 aw, nothing on switching stations from RBA...
08:52 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Nautilus Commissioning Day! :-D
08:56 e1z0 nautilus pompilus
08:56 e1z0 :|
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09:12 john_minetest nautilus -> the deep see animal or nemo's ship
09:12 john_minetest ?
09:15 JamesTait The first nuclear sub, apparently.
09:16 JamesTait I hear the name Nautilus, I instantly think of the file browser.
09:28 john_minetest I instantly think of captain nemo and the deep see animal.
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09:29 * arsdragonfly is considering making a manual mod
09:30 arsdragonfly \/man blah blah blah
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09:45 john_minetest bla bla bla bla bla - INHALT ?
09:47 arsdragonfly z.B. /man technic:switching station
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09:49 arsdragonfly Server -!- ( Info about it)
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10:21 VanessaE hi all
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10:24 JamesTait Hi VanessaE! :)
10:24 VanessaE good morning
10:25 VanessaE what, no special day-of-the-year message? ;)
10:25 JamesTait You must have missed it. ;)  I dubbed it Nautilus Commissioning Day.
10:26 VanessaE heh
10:26 JamesTait 59 years since the commissioning of the USS Nautilus.
10:28 john_minetest And about 139 years since "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea" has been published.
10:30 VanessaE I have to wonder, does the USS Nautilus compare at all to The Nautilus? :)
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10:30 VanessaE (never read 20000 Leagues)
10:32 JamesTait Me neither. :(
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10:39 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga0ohgZFVqc
10:39 john_minetest !title
10:39 MinetestBot john_minetest: Ramona Falls - 'I Say Fever' - YouTube
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10:41 hoodedice Anyone?
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10:58 Hunterz hello
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11:13 hoodedice DanDucombe
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11:15 MinetestBot prestotron55!
11:15 VanessaE school....
11:15 VanessaE *shudder*
11:16 VanessaE am I ever glad I don't have to wander into one of those places anymore :)
11:16 prestotron55 [deleted]
11:17 ruskie got no education from school...
11:17 ruskie a data dump would solve the same issue that "school" does
11:17 prestotron55 [deleted]
11:17 ruskie gimme an SD card with all the stuff to plug into my brain directly and that would be that
11:18 VanessaE I last set foot in a school over 20 years ago :)
11:18 prestotron55 [deleted]
11:18 LazyJ I walked through a highschool last year... looked more like a prison. Armed security guards, doors looked during school hours, narrow windows, class rooms along hallways that looked like prison cell halls.
11:18 ruskie I finished highschool some 10 years ago... messed around at college for a few years then went to work as a sysadmin
11:18 VanessaE LazyJ: yeah, I've heard it's gotten bad :-/
11:19 ruskie nope didn't finish college... just more of the same crap from highschool in my case
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11:19 hoodedice Education is awesome !
11:19 hoodedice So is school ^.^
11:20 hoodedice (But then again, I'm Indian)
11:20 ruskie I'm the only sysadmin at this company and have been for the last 6 years or so.... that was...
11:20 LazyJ This particular school failed the national education standards so the students (or their parents) where offered some other homeschool/private school options.
11:20 prestotron55 [deleted]
11:20 proller prestotron55, your friends more stupid than you ?
11:20 prestotron55 [deleted]
11:21 ruskie nothing that I've had brain dumped in school really helped me at work so far
11:21 hoodedice prestotron55: Rush off.
11:21 prestotron55 [deleted]
11:21 ruskie it's was all the stuff I learned myself that made this possible
11:21 hoodedice I hate devs who write code that is unformatted
11:21 hoodedice For example the zombie waves mod
11:21 hoodedice Either notepad lost the formatting
11:22 hoodedice Or that guy wrote a whole mod in two lines
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11:22 VanessaE hoodedice: probably unix vs. dos/win line endings.
11:22 VanessaE notepad doesn't like unix end-of-line chars
11:22 ruskie try using wordpad or even better notepad++
11:23 hoodedice nnotepad++. Ah yes, it's here,on my bro's PC
11:23 hoodedice I don't use it personally
11:24 hoodedice Ah yes, it was what VanessaE said. Perfect formatting now thanks
11:25 Hunterz have minetest server something like authorization? plugin or some other type ?
11:26 VanessaE Hunterz: explain?\
11:26 Hunterz like nickserv
11:26 VanessaE doesn't make sense
11:26 VanessaE what should it do in the context of a minetest server?
11:27 Hunterz If someone connect as my nick
11:27 Hunterz i would like authorize
11:27 VanessaE authorize to do whar?
11:27 VanessaE what*
11:28 Hunterz like in minecraft online mode
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11:28 VanessaE accounts on minetest servers are password-protected if the server is set to require it, and it doesn't matter who signs on with a given name - if they know your password, they are you.  passwords are hashed and stored in the server's password database
11:28 hoodedice They have your login details hashed
11:28 hoodedice wow. ninja'd
11:28 VanessaE HIYAH!
11:28 VanessaE :)
11:29 Hunterz then is this feature built in right?
11:29 hoodedice VanessaE: Is mobs:damage mobs:drops etc part of the core API or Smobs API?
11:29 VanessaE also, what account details you give to one server are not known to any other server
11:29 VanessaE yes, this is part of minetest.
11:29 Hunterz ok thanks
11:29 hoodedice Ya, inbuilt
11:29 VanessaE hoodedice: not sure
11:30 hoodedice ok. It's the first time I'm seeing a mob code anyway. Kinda neat though
11:30 VanessaE probably specific to simple mobs
11:30 Hunterz I would like star first public server in the czech republic :)
11:30 Hunterz start
11:30 hoodedice Cool.
11:30 hoodedice Go ahead.
11:30 VanessaE Hunterz: go right ahead and do so.  It's free and not difficult to set up.
11:30 Hunterz now I have only minecraft/bukkit/mcpc+ servers
11:31 hoodedice My bro played Minecraft yesterday.
11:32 hoodedice I'm not disappointed. It has improved since I last played 0.somthing
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11:33 hoodedice (Though Minetest is still better for a variety of reasons)
11:34 Hunterz is there any comparison between minetest and minecraft features?
11:34 VanessaE hoodedice: of course it's better - Minecraft doesn't have any of my mods ;)
11:34 hoodedice XD
11:35 VanessaE Hunterz: never seen a clearly laid-out comparison, no, but the two are generally similar.  How they differ depends on the game content and mods you're using with Minetest vs. what Minecraft has
11:35 hoodedice They differ.
11:35 hoodedice In democracy
11:35 hoodedice In freedom.
11:36 VanessaE I think he means technical aspects.
11:36 hoodedice In. AWESOMENESS.
11:36 hoodedice oh.
11:36 VanessaE not philosophy
11:36 Hunterz something than minetest is now similar like minecraft 1.1 ...
11:37 VanessaE uh, no.
11:37 Hunterz i know oss software, use linux many years
11:37 VanessaE try my server some time (vanessae.mine.bz:30000) and you'll see :)
11:38 VanessaE er 30001
11:38 VanessaE (30000 is creative, 30001 is survival)
11:38 Hunterz later, now I cannot, Im ant work :)
11:38 VanessaE ok
11:38 hoodedice I'm so evil: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=112669#p112669
11:38 Hunterz at work
11:38 VanessaE oh jeez
11:39 VanessaE (then again, he's made some....dumb statements in the past)
11:39 Hunterz minetest have mods? like industrial craft ?
11:40 hoodedice Yes?
11:40 hoodedice https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?id=11
11:40 VanessaE minetest has an extensive modding API
11:40 Hunterz nice
11:40 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
11:44 hoodedice VanessaE: FAQ : Any way to change a worldname?
11:45 VanessaE rename the folder that contains it
11:45 hoodedice cool.
11:45 hoodedice thanks
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12:01 dafull97 Hello all
12:04 VanessaE hi
12:05 dafull97 VanessaE, your here!
12:05 dafull97 LOL
12:06 VanessaE my here what?
12:07 dafull97 nothing, LOL... what do you do for a job any way?
12:08 VanessaE I'm retired.
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12:19 Hunterz have minetest server something like permission system known on bukkit servers?
12:20 VanessaE which does what?
12:20 VanessaE you mean like privileges?
12:21 Hunterz yes
12:21 VanessaE all servers have that
12:21 VanessaE fly, fast, interact, shout, and others.
12:21 VanessaE any mod can add more
12:23 Hunterz is there something like log block (who placed/destroyed block)?
12:23 dafull97 like a LandClaim?
12:23 VanessaE all servers have logging facilities.
12:24 VanessaE and protection mods exist too
12:24 Hunterz when I will setup public server, need some antigrief features
12:24 VanessaE (landclaim, areas, node_ownership, others)
12:24 dafull97 https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=112244#p112244
12:24 Hunterz thanks
12:24 dafull97 ^^ there is a GOOD Land claim mod
12:25 Hunterz all are mods, no plugins like bukkit right?
12:25 VanessaE in Minetest, a mod is a plugin
12:25 Hunterz ok
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12:31 john_minetest hello again
12:31 VanessaE hi
12:37 dafull97 VanessaE, im not sure if i asked... if you could, what would you make better in minetest? and what would you like to be a new... like a Idea(MODS DONT COOUNT)
12:37 dafull97 Count*
12:37 VanessaE dafull97: Minetest is composed entirely of mods.
12:37 VanessaE the game content I mean
12:38 dafull97 well im talking about the stuffd such as a lighter server run, better Chat other than the IRC...
12:38 dafull97 and more
12:38 VanessaE nearly all of that is strictly modding territory
12:39 VanessaE now if I had my way, development on the engine would focus entirely on fixing bugs and making general performance improvements
12:39 VanessaE (with new features to come later on)
12:39 john_minetest There are a few "bugs" that are so old that they are features.
12:40 john_minetest Like jumping double-height when holding shift and jump.
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12:40 john_minetest And making ultra-fast stair elevators by using shift-jump
12:40 john_minetest And taking no damage when falling on a slab with shift pressed.
12:41 john_minetest I have seen some bugs being used to build structures that otherwiser
12:42 john_minetest -r
12:42 john_minetest won't be possibe
12:42 arsdragonfly double doors?
12:43 john_minetest ?
12:43 arsdragonfly are you talking about minecraft?
12:43 john_minetest No, about minetest
12:44 LazyJ How about a function that predicts/estimates the lag your particular connection is experiencing then buffers the difference into a temp file to smooth out the lag.
12:44 dafull97 VanessaE, why im wanting to make a program/server that will be "along-side" minetest
12:44 john_minetest Also some glitches (which are partly not preventable) allow doing some things that don'
12:44 john_minetest t work
12:44 arsdragonfly There are also useful bugs? sounds cool
12:44 dafull97 yea, a lag meter, that would be good
12:45 john_minetest arsdragonfly: Of course! like 2x jump when holding shift when jumping (doesn't work always)
12:45 john_minetest And making a tower with slabs at its foot makes jumping down a lot more comfortable ;)
12:46 e1z0 how is it possible to import schematics to minetest world ?
12:46 arsdragonfly I'm planning to dig a 500+-meter-deep mineshaft
12:47 arsdragonfly it's taking an awfully long time to go up/down already :P
12:47 dafull97 im about to make a minetest Lag tester
12:47 john_minetest e1z0: Which schematics? .we files from minetest worldedit?
12:47 dafull97 simple and i will release in hte forums
12:47 john_minetest arsdragonfly: there is a possibility to build ultra-fast stairs.
12:48 dafull97 leave it so they can see code... do they wont have suspicions
12:48 e1z0 yeah
12:48 e1z0 i'm using worldedit
12:49 john_minetest e1z0: Look on the worldedit page, there should be info about it.
12:49 e1z0 :O
12:49 e1z0 but where to get schematics, like buildings or other objects ?
12:49 e1z0 maybe there is some section for that in the forum ?
12:51 john_minetest https://github.com/Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit/​blob/master/Chat%20Commands.md#mtschemplace-
12:51 john_minetest There is it
12:51 john_minetest all commands - mtschemplace is the right one for placing
12:52 john_minetest //mtschemcreate creates a scheme
12:55 * dafull97 has a Question For everyone,
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12:59 dafull97 Would you guys like a Simple command line/Terminal Lag Tester?
12:59 Hunterz something like tps
13:00 Hunterz or profiler wil be very useful, when looked to source of lag
13:04 john_minetest Is this implemented yet: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?pid=60046#p60046 ?
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13:05 john_minetest In minecraft there is tab to show all players, their connection and ping, also own ping.
13:05 e1z0 http://www.deviantart.com/art/make-b​uildworld-not-war-freebsd-277380712
13:06 e1z0 hehe
13:06 e1z0 good one
13:06 john_minetest oh, no ping but at least that: http://empireminecraft.com/attachme​nts/2013-02-05_17-32-04-png.11946/
13:07 john_minetest make install not war
13:07 john_minetest or to be exact: sudo make install not war.
13:08 e1z0 makeworld is for freebsd source tree building
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13:10 dafull97 i will create a mod maybe... might take me a while that will have a chat command, /ping and show all players and ping =D
13:10 dafull97 i havent started with lua, will later today
13:10 dafull97 LOL
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13:11 e1z0 i need schematics to import
13:11 e1z0 :|
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13:14 john_minetest e1z0: There is a mod containing schematics
13:14 e1z0 :O
13:14 e1z0 where ?
13:15 john_minetest https://www.ixquick.com/do/search​?q=host:forum.minetest.net%20.we
13:16 john_minetest lol, first read "lava bacon" instead of "lava beacon"
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13:18 e1z0 thanks
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14:10 Krock Is there a mod to collect automatically dropped items?
14:11 arsdragonfly item_drop
14:12 Krock how? where? what? Sorry..I'm newbie
14:18 sfan5 hi everyone
14:20 Krock hi
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14:55 sfan5 hoddamnit
14:55 sfan5 s/h/g/
14:55 VanessaE ?
14:56 sfan5 I had a fucking working .htaccess then I accitently deleted the contents and now none of the solution I used previously works
14:56 sfan5 accidentaly*
14:56 sfan5 accidentally*
14:56 FreeFull Woops
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15:02 Dan_D Help? 16:01:01: ERROR[main]: Error loading mod "castle": LuaError: Invalid crafting recipe (output="castle:arrowslit_stonewall 6")
15:02 Dan_D I have registered the node...
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15:03 Dan_D VanessaE, help? 15:58:36: ERROR[main]: Server: Failed to load and run /home/daniel/.minetest/mods/castle/init.lua
15:03 Dan_D 15:58:36: ERROR[main]: ModError: Failed to load and run /home/daniel/.minetest/mods/castle/init.lua
15:03 Dan_D 16:01:01: ERROR[main]: Error loading mod "castle": LuaError: Invalid crafting recipe (output="castle:arrowslit_stonewall 6")
15:03 Dan_D 16:01:01: ERROR[main]: stack traceback:
15:03 Dan_D 16:01:01: ERROR[main]: [C]: in function 'register_craft'
15:03 Dan_D 16:01:01: ERROR[main]: /home/daniel/.minetest/mods​/castle/arrowslit.lua:104: in main chunk
15:03 Dan_D 16:01:01: ERROR[main]: [C]: in function 'dofile'
15:03 Dan_D 16:01:01: ERROR[main]: /home/daniel/.minetest/mods/castle/init.lua:2: in main chunk
15:03 Dan_D 16:01:01: ERROR[main]: Server: Failed to load and run /home/daniel/.minetest/mods/castle/init.lua
15:03 Dan_D 16:01:01: ERROR[main]: ModError: Failed to load and run /home/daniel/.minetest/mods/castle/init.lua
15:03 * VanessaE prods ShadowBot and MinetestBot
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15:04 Dan_D Why prod them VanessaE?
15:04 VanessaE pastebin the offending recipe
15:04 Dan_D Ok
15:04 VanessaE Dan_D: because one of them should have booted you out for flooding :P
15:05 Dan_D http://pastebin.com/Km116AUf
15:05 Dan_D VanessaE, I can't have been booted because that was all one post
15:05 VanessaE well
15:05 VanessaE first of all, don't do ""..varname
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15:05 VanessaE just put the variable name.
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15:05 sfan5 VanessaE: MinetestBot does not kick people for flooding
15:05 VanessaE secondly, you forgot to wrap the recipe in { }
15:05 Dan_D Oh?
15:05 Dan_D Ok
15:05 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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15:06 VanessaE recipe = { { varname, "", varname }, { varname, "", varname }, { varname, "", varname }, }
15:06 Dan_D Ok
15:06 VanessaE (but spread across multiple lines
15:06 VanessaE )
15:07 Dan_D Thanks
15:07 Dan_D That worked
15:08 VanessaE meanwhile, currency is getting HDX support.
15:08 VanessaE wanna see the minegeld? :)
15:08 Dan_D Sure :)
15:08 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vaness​a/hobbies/minetest/images/minegeld.png
15:09 Dan_D Oooh, pretty!
15:10 Dan_D Looks awesome
15:10 VanessaE thanks :)
15:10 VanessaE I forget, that's your mod isn't it?
15:11 Dan_D Yes
15:11 VanessaE thought so
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15:12 VanessaE also, you should see how your TNT looks now :D
15:13 Dan_D Can you show me the pic?
15:13 VanessaE sure
15:13 VanessaE lemme take a screenshot
15:15 Jordach VanessaE, BAD
15:15 Jordach the earth should be a cube
15:15 VanessaE :P
15:16 Jordach i just so happen to have a 16px earth cube
15:17 VanessaE dan:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/​hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%​20-%2009302013%20-%2011:20:42%20AM.png
15:17 Jordach lol, black dirt texture
15:17 VanessaE Jordach: too small, it would need to be ~60px to fit the image.  besides, the earth image is supposed to be an official "seal", so a cube wouldn't make much sense.
15:17 PilzAdam <VanessaE> also, you should see how your TNT looks now :D – Dan_D has a TNT mod too?
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15:18 Dan_D Yes, based on yours PilzAdam
15:18 VanessaE PilzAdam: in camo_modpack there is one, ^^^ that is what HDX makes it look like
15:18 Jordach VanessaE, is that KDE
15:18 dafull97 Hey all!!
15:18 VanessaE oh good, so yours PilzAdam will probably also be affected
15:18 Dan_D Hi
15:18 VanessaE Jordach: xfce.
15:18 Jordach i've seen a KDE screenshot like trhat
15:18 Jordach that*
15:18 Dan_D They use the same texture I THINK
15:18 PilzAdam Jordach, probably because KDE is so super-configureable that it can look like whatever you want
15:19 Jordach then why does kubuntu look like Window 7
15:19 VanessaE Jordach: actually that's the Keramik theme for GTK/XFCE, recolored to purple.
15:19 Jordach ah
15:19 PilzAdam Jordach, my Kubuntu doesnt look like windows at all
15:19 Pelayo_ kubuntu looks like kde only
15:20 VanessaE btw, set off about 10 TNTs at once.  the client will crash because of all the entities initially thrown around :)
15:20 VanessaE at least in single player
15:20 PilzAdam Kubuntu doesnt have a look, it is whatever you want
15:20 Jordach PilzAdam, screenshot or gtfo
15:20 PilzAdam not much to see on a screenshot
15:20 Pelayo_ and kde copied lots of design concepts from windows, but that was more than 10 years ago and it has evolved separately
15:20 PilzAdam youll only see the Minetest logo on skyblue background at 1080p
15:21 PilzAdam everything is hidden ;-)
15:21 Jordach KDE is a poor man's windows
15:21 Pelayo_ I miss my kde 2.0
15:21 Pelayo_ it was faster than anything
15:21 Jordach >KDE
15:21 Jordach >Fast?
15:21 Pelayo_ kde 2.0
15:21 Jordach lol
15:22 Pelayo_ it was way faster than gnome back then, even in really shitty hardware
15:22 PilzAdam if you have a bad PC then of course KDE wont run / will be slow
15:22 Pelayo_ in fact back then gnome was the resource hog
15:25 Jordach still is now!
15:25 Pelayo_ nah, gtk 2.0 based desktops are the best today in terms of memory usage
15:26 Pelayo_ talking about full desktops, not toys like blackbox/fluxbox, etc
15:27 Pelayo_ http://l3net.files.wordpres​s.com/2013/07/cmp-all3.png
15:27 PilzAdam can you give us some context about that chart?
15:28 Pelayo_ megs of ram used for having the desktop loaded and nothing else, I think
15:28 VanessaE wow
15:28 dafull97 im gonna start making Side programs for minetest
15:28 VanessaE I remember my afterstep days
15:28 dafull97 any ideas?
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15:36 Evergreen Quick question:   How do you give a specific player on a server creative mode?
15:36 dafull97 i think the whole server has to be set to creative mode?
15:37 dafull97 Question, who runs the landrush server?
15:37 Evergreen Brandonreese, I think
15:38 BrandonReese ah hoy
15:38 dafull97 oh... have you seen how their inventory looks?
15:38 dafull97 BrandonReese, how do you manke you inventory look?
15:38 dafull97 lit that*
15:38 dafull97 like that***
15:38 BrandonReese it's the technic mod unified inventory
15:38 dafull97 Thx so much!
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15:46 VanessaE unified inventory is separate from technic now
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15:53 Jordach VanessaE, nope
15:53 Jordach ask ShadowNinja
15:53 VanessaE Dan_D: do me a quick favor please?
15:54 VanessaE Jordach: O RLY?  https://github.com/minetest-technic/
16:00 Jordach lol, im part of it
16:00 Jordach i should really get around to making textures for it at some point
16:00 Jordach you know, better textures than what ShadowNinja can do
16:00 Jordach (some fucking things are still 32x)
16:05 Jordach and technic game shouldn't be 32x
16:05 Jordach it looks like sht
16:06 Jordach shit*
16:06 Jordach you take minetest_game and turn gold into shit just with 32x
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16:10 VanessaE heh
16:15 werwerwer_ Jordach, did you consider hacking texture loader so it automatically convert all hi-res textures to 16x?
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16:17 werwerwer_ though automatically interpolated textures still most probably would look like shit
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16:20 dafull97 Calinou! hey... LOL
16:20 Calinou why LOL
16:20 Calinou hi anyway :)
16:21 dafull97 idk, in school and bored
16:22 Calinou you should study instead, I guess
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16:23 Peacock !seen kaeza
16:23 MinetestBot Peacock: kaeza was last seen at 2013-09-30 02:46:23 UTC on #minetest
16:23 dafull97 nah, not study haha
16:23 dafull97 !seen Peacock
16:23 MinetestBot dafull97: peacock was last seen at 2013-09-30 16:23:11 UTC on #minetest
16:23 dafull97 wow that is cool
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16:23 Peacock dont abuse it or the bot will cry rape
16:23 Dan_D VanessaE, you there?
16:24 dafull97 haha, i wont
16:25 Peacock "and then, he inserted his peripheral into my port!" lol
16:25 Dan_D VanessaE, if there, can you update castles on your server?
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16:25 VanessaE Dan_D: I'm here
16:25 VanessaE I will update shortly
16:25 VanessaE can you do me a favor please?
16:25 Peacock the geek version of 2 girls 1 cup would probably be "2 guys 1 CUPS printing device driver" lol
16:26 Dan_D YEs??
16:26 VanessaE in the currency mod, can you please give the barter table a bottom side texture?
16:26 VanessaE so that I can give it one in HDX.
16:26 Dan_D Doesn't it have one? I thought it used the top texture?
16:26 VanessaE it uses the "side" texture for the bottom
16:27 VanessaE can you make it use a new file for that?  Maybe just a darker copy of the side texture or something
16:28 Dan_D In a bit.
16:28 * VanessaE puts her fresh new textures off in the background then.
16:28 Dan_D Is it on Github or Dropbox?
16:28 VanessaE looks to be on dropbox
16:28 Dan_D Ah, dropbox
16:29 VanessaE no .git folder inside it
16:29 Dan_D The I can't change it until I install dropbox on Linux.
16:29 VanessaE :(
16:29 Dan_D Which I won't do yet, I am installing other stuff.
16:29 dafull97 BrandonReese, you there?
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16:29 Dan_D Why can't you use the same texture? It looks fine to me? ie, why not use the top texture?
16:30 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
16:30 Dan_D Hi
16:30 Jordach hey groggy
16:30 dafull97 hello thefamilygrog66
16:30 VanessaE Dan_D: because of the model shape, I wanna texture the sides really nice
16:30 VanessaE necessitates a separate texture compared to the bottom.
16:30 Dan_D But no-one really looks at the base...
16:30 VanessaE pweeeze? :)
16:31 Dan_D In future. 1-2 yearsmaybe.
16:31 VanessaE :(
16:31 Dan_D Also, have you re-started the server yet?
16:31 Dan_D I will at some point
16:31 VanessaE I'll update castles when you update currency as above :P
16:31 Dan_D No.
16:31 dafull97 BrandonReese, are you there? what is the technic mod do exactly?
16:32 Dan_D I can't update it till I install Dropbox, which will be a while.
16:32 VanessaE so just upload it to github?
16:32 * VanessaE doesn't wanna have to fork it
16:32 Jordach Dan_D, download from dropbox, github it
16:32 Dan_D Then I will need to update the forum post and everything which is boring really.
16:32 Peacock what was the name of keaza's image printing mod?
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16:32 Jordach kaeza's printing mod
16:32 Jordach </troll>
16:33 Peacock seriously? damn the forum search sucks the llama's ass
16:33 IceCraft hi
16:33 thefamilygrog66 Bahaha
16:33 Dan_D How do I make a new repo andoush it with git command line?
16:33 Jordach s/sucks/whips/
16:33 Jordach </winamp>
16:33 Peacock im wondering if it can be converted to work as a mapgen
16:34 Peacock feed real maps, it generates the map, that sortof thing
16:34 thefamilygrog66 that would be pretty cool
16:34 thefamilygrog66 only 2D though, no?
16:34 dafull97 *Any one know how to take a Picture of your whole map on your server??
16:34 Peacock well, the mod can read colours
16:34 Jordach the lighter the colour, the higher, the darker the colour, the deeper
16:35 thefamilygrog66 ahh
16:35 Dan_D dafull97, if on Windows, use my MT_Mapper
16:35 Peacock so it could prolly detect the brightness/darkness and come up with different heights
16:35 Peacock jordach said it more eloquently yes lol
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16:35 Dan_D VanessaE, how to make a new repo using git command line?
16:35 thefamilygrog66 what's the best way to map worlds in linux these days?
16:35 Jordach Peacock, as usual
16:35 Peacock its your language :P
16:35 Jordach thefamilygrog66, minetestmapper
16:35 Jordach hey BlockMen
16:35 thefamilygrog66 is that the python one?
16:35 Dan_D Yes
16:35 Jordach yus
16:35 BlockMen hi everyone
16:35 Peacock one is python, the other is bin
16:36 thefamilygrog66 alrighty, thanks
16:36 dafull97 Dan_D, the server on Windows?
16:36 Dan_D Do you use Windows?
16:36 thefamilygrog66 Windows uses me.
16:36 Dan_D If so, to map a world, use myMt_mapper
16:36 Dan_D Which is a frontend for minetest_mapper.exe
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16:36 markveidemanis Hi
16:36 Jordach NOOO
16:36 Jordach RUN
16:36 Peacock the map to mapgen thing would be handy for recreating the Riven islands
16:37 Dan_D VanessaE, how do I make a new repo using command line git?
16:37 dafull97 Dan_D, i use Windows, and Xubuntu
16:37 thefamilygrog66 Liberty City
16:37 Peacock dunno if i said that already, 1st cup of coffee lol
16:37 dafull97 D
16:37 thefamilygrog66 Los Santos
16:37 VanessaE Dan_D: make a new repo on github, then in a terminal,  cd foldername; git init; git add .; git commit -m "initial commit"; git remote set-url --push origin git@github/your_repo_here.git ; git push
16:37 Dan_D dafull97, to map a world in Windows use the Mt_mapper
16:37 * thefamilygrog66 also needs additional coffee(s).
16:37 Dan_D Thanks V
16:37 Peacock minetest, Y U NO builtin mapper?!
16:37 dafull97 Dan_D, the Client?
16:38 Dan_D dafull97, do you have Minetest on Windows, and want to map a world on it?
16:38 thefamilygrog66 isn't that added in 0.4.8, Peacock?
16:38 Dan_D If so, use Mt_Mapper, on the forum, instructions in the readme
16:38 Peacock it is ?
16:38 Dan_D *download link on forum I meant
16:38 thefamilygrog66 no, I just made that up.
16:38 dafull97 Dan_D, my server is on ubuntu, but my client is on Ubuntu and Windows
16:38 Peacock i know they wanna add libmtmap or something like that, but i dont think ittl be ready in time
16:39 thefamilygrog66 "in time", haha.
16:39 Dan_D dafull97, Mt_mapper is a Windows program to map a world in the Worlds folder
16:39 Peacock operating on star trek time :P dev team currently stuck in a timeloop
16:39 thefamilygrog66 I've used the python script, but the colours were a bit weak.
16:40 thefamilygrog66 i.e. not enough nodes actually showed up on the map
16:40 Peacock ya'll have to add them to colors.txt
16:40 dafull97 do i could download the worlds folder, from the Ubuntu server and it would work?
16:40 thefamilygrog66 yeah, I know - it would be nice if all the default nodes were in there you know, by default
16:41 Dan_D If you could get the worlds folder, yes
16:41 dafull97 'Dan_D 2 up ^^
16:41 dafull97 opps haha
16:41 dafull97 ok, will do later
16:41 dafull97 thanks
16:41 Peacock welll you can always rig the register node function in builtin to generate a colors.txt, thats what i did a while back
16:42 thefamilygrog66 good idea!
16:42 Dan_D VanessaE, that didn't work
16:42 VanessaE Dan_D: which part failed?
16:42 Dan_D I will just use mediafire
16:42 VanessaE I must have missed a step
16:42 thefamilygrog66 the github part, I'm guessing...
16:42 thefamilygrog66 o_O
16:43 Peacock i always not get the github part lol
16:43 Peacock im sure i could crack the WW2 enigma machines faster lol
16:43 thefamilygrog66 haha
16:45 thefamilygrog66 I use the dumbed down windows gui for github, and it still only works half the time for me
16:46 thefamilygrog66 and then I remember that I'd forgotten to update the readme file, so it's yet another commit
16:46 Dan_D I F*****G hate mediafire. Grrr.
16:47 Peacock i prefer good old fashioned file hosts lol
16:47 VanessaE I miss ompldr.
16:47 VanessaE it was perfect.
16:47 Peacock ompldr and zimg
16:47 * thefamilygrog66 is trying to pronounce those...
16:48 Peacock most image hosts have an option for not resizing images, but they still do it lol
16:48 thefamilygrog66 so did you watch the series finale last night, Peacock?
16:49 Peacock yep yep watching it again with the wife right now (she missed it)
16:49 thefamilygrog66 cool, I'll be checking it out this evening - no spoilers!
16:49 Dan_D VanessaE, currency: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/dszwbr8j​pminimu/currency.zip?token_hash=AAFKG2RGXZs9​rp6KimtLxtLi-z9Eyw4G7-7giky85LG51g&amp;dl=1
16:49 Dan_D Will you update castle now?
16:50 Peacock boardwalk empire was pretty good too, arnold rothstein lost his cool
16:50 thefamilygrog66 I've yet to start watching that show
16:50 Dan_D VanessaE?
16:50 Dan_D Where are you?
16:50 VanessaE sure, gimme a sec to finish something
16:50 Dan_D Oh hi
16:51 Dan_D The base is called barter_base.png
16:51 VanessaE ok
16:51 Peacock its pretty good, even mother started watching it, but whatever channel she has it on, theyre two seasons behind lol
16:51 Dan_D If you don't hurry up VanessaE I will sneeze
16:51 VanessaE ok
16:51 Dan_D Too late...
16:51 VanessaE mods updated and staged.
16:51 Dan_D *atchooo*
16:51 Dan_D Thanks VanessaE
16:52 Dan_D U R A *
16:52 Dan_D You Are A Start
16:52 Peacock * UHURA
16:52 Dan_D *star
16:52 Dan_D Stub, stibble, stob, idk
16:52 VanessaE ok, both servers have been restarted.
16:52 Dan_D You are a stub. Great.
16:52 VanessaE except...
16:53 VanessaE hold.
16:53 Dan_D Yeahssss?????
16:53 Dan_D Something broooooooooooooooooooooken?????
16:53 Dan_D What happened
16:53 VanessaE wait.
16:53 Dan_D SPAM!
16:53 Dan_D I am waiting....
16:53 Dan_D Wait
16:53 Dan_D Wait1
16:53 Dan_D Wait2
16:53 Dan_D Wait3
16:54 Dan_D Woops sorry
16:54 Dan_D Is my mod broken??
16:54 VanessaE ok, they're up
16:54 Dan_D Yay
16:54 VanessaE not sure why they didn't join IRC
16:54 VanessaE no, unrelated issue.
16:54 Dan_D Oh right
16:55 dafull97 BrandonReese, what is the technic mod do?
16:56 Dan_D It does a lot
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16:56 dafull97 such as ? ^^
16:57 thefamilygrog66 lasers
17:01 dafull97 is that it? VanessaE, do you know?
17:02 VanessaE er
17:02 VanessaE well
17:02 VanessaE hard to explain
17:02 VanessaE technic has machines that run on electricity and can send items back and forth via pneumatic tubes
17:02 Wuzzy Is any one “hungry”? ;-)
17:03 VanessaE it's basically another way to play the game, a more modern way versus cooking everything in a cobblestone furnace.
17:03 dafull97 is it needed? haha
17:03 dafull97 with th e unified inventory
17:03 Wuzzy Hungry Games, anyone?
17:04 * Calinou eats Wuzzy
17:04 * dafull97 eats Calinou
17:04 Calinou I'm on hunger games server Wuzzy
17:04 dafull97 LOL, see im bored
17:05 Calinou server died?
17:06 Wuzzy lol
17:06 Wuzzy did it lag 4 u too?
17:06 Wuzzy server’s still up
17:06 Wuzzy lol strange
17:06 Wuzzy I rejoined
17:07 Wuzzy (or is it up . .. again?)
17:08 dafull97 Wuzzy you own server?
17:09 Wuzzy No.
17:09 Wuzzy Hunger Games server is hosted by sfan5 btw...
17:10 dafull97 Wuzzy i know... i mean you own one at all?
17:10 Wuzzy no
17:11 dafull97 oh, i have one still working on it haha
17:13 Wuzzy Fuck it I have MASSIVE lag on the server >_>
17:13 Calinou lol it started then frozen
17:13 Wuzzy me too
17:14 Wuzzy but we were further this time
17:14 Wuzzy the last time the timer froze at 10 ... XD
17:14 Wuzzy this time the countdown finished. That’s progress! hahahaha
17:14 Peacock lol
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17:15 sfan5 wow!I just set up an Apache instance on :8080 (online for roughly 45 mins) and there were already 2 scanners
17:15 Wuzzy DAFUQ?
17:15 Calinou again crash I guess
17:16 Calinou sfan5: use better ports :p
17:16 Calinou also, what do you mean by scanners?
17:16 Wuzzy hey sfan5 I guess you noticed that we have problems with the hunger games server :-(
17:16 sfan5 Calinou: open proxy scans
17:16 sfan5 Wuzzy: you do?
17:17 Calinou are these bad?
17:17 Calinou even freenode scans for proxies...
17:17 Wuzzy Yes I do. And some others, too. Like Calinou.
17:17 Calinou yep, it always crashes when starting
17:18 Wuzzy sometimes when the timer is at 10. some times when the countdown just finished
17:18 * Jordach waits for Candybox2
17:18 Wuzzy oh
17:18 sfan5 Calinou: I do not have a direct connection to freenode (using a bouncer)
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17:18 Wuzzy there is something else:
17:18 sfan5 Wuzzy: please reproduce the problem
17:18 Wuzzy right now?
17:18 sfan5 yes
17:18 Wuzzy oki dokey
17:19 Wuzzy ok we are now 3 on the server
17:20 Wuzzy BOOM
17:21 Wuzzy it happened
17:21 sfan5 "PANIC: unprotected error in call to Lua API (bad argument #3 to '?' (table expected, got nil))"
17:21 sfan5 very helpful
17:21 Wuzzy LOL
17:21 Peacock i love those kinds of error messages lol
17:21 sfan5 I guess I have to "grep ?"
17:21 Wuzzy and what do the lines before that one?
17:21 Wuzzy say?
17:21 sfan5 19:20:48: ACTION[ServerThread]: Player Wuzzy moved too fast; resetting position
17:21 sfan5 nothing before or after that
17:21 Wuzzy harahahahaha
17:21 Wuzzy the anti cheat system
17:22 Wuzzy clearly lag
17:22 Wuzzy so its some bug in some script. but we dont know which one XD
17:22 Calinou again crash
17:22 sfan5 Calinou: no, I SIGINT
17:22 Jordach fuck the hunger games, you really need to kill it
17:23 Wuzzy DAFUQ?
17:23 Wuzzy the hunger games are cool (as long as it works)
17:23 Calinou it's quite bad game play wise
17:23 Calinou hunger sucks :p
17:24 Wuzzy did you even play it?
17:24 Calinou yes
17:24 Wuzzy btw when it sucks why did you join, you sucker? ;-)
17:24 sfan5 time to try another minetest version
17:25 Wuzzy btw this error message is strange
17:25 Wuzzy argument #3 to '?'
17:25 Wuzzy WTF
17:25 Wuzzy just WTF
17:25 Wuzzy normally a function name would in place of the question mark I guess
17:25 Wuzzy would be*
17:26 Wuzzy sfan5 do you use vanilla hungry games or did you modify something?
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17:26 sfan5 *** Will build version 0.4.7-dev *** << way better than 0.4.7-MSVC-334-fe4abb0
17:27 Wuzzy gosh, who can even remember such version numbers? :O
17:27 sfan5 I use vanilla hungry games
17:27 sfan5 I just updated it too
17:27 Wuzzy ah
17:29 Peacock no neapolitan hunger games?
17:29 Wuzzy I use 0.4.7 stable. If you update your Minetest, do I have to update my Minetest, too, to join your server?
17:30 sfan5 "0.4.7-MSVC-309-g2134316-dirty" why.....
17:31 sfan5 Wuzzy: no
17:31 VanessaE there, HDX supports Dan's currency mod mow.
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17:35 sfan5 Wuzzy, Calinou: everything updated try now
17:35 Wuzzy okay I go try now. I was afk
17:35 Peacock my other favorite kind of error: ERROR[main]: ServerError: LuaError: error: C++ exception
17:35 proller sfan5, can you build last -next ?
17:36 VanessaE jeez, HDX is now 1.1 GB
17:36 sfan5 proller: link please
17:36 VanessaE O_O
17:36 proller sfan5, https://github.com/proller/minetest/tree/next
17:36 Calinou what's the bar made of stone texture, sfan5?
17:36 sfan5 one sec
17:37 Calinou at the right of my health
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17:39 Calinou this sucks
17:39 Calinou 1) no warning when grace period ends
17:40 Calinou 2) starts at night
17:40 Calinou 3) hunger not full when starting
17:40 Calinou n'importe quoi...
17:44 Wuzzy Maybe its time for some terror in the thread which started all this. ;-)
17:44 Wuzzy The older versions were fine
17:44 Wuzzy but the newer ones seem so buggy... :O
17:47 Jordach VanessaE, 512 right
17:47 VanessaE yes
17:47 Jordach \o/
17:48 Jordach i'd stop using github for that
17:48 Jordach (they complain when you go over 1gb)
17:48 Jordach i'd make a git instance on your site VanessaE
17:48 VanessaE 332 MB for the 256px size.
17:49 Jordach VanessaE, yeah
17:49 Jordach i'd just keep 512 as a master copy
17:49 VanessaE eesh
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17:52 VanessaE eh, if the github team complains, I'll remove it then
17:53 Jordach https://help.github.com/art​icles/what-is-my-disk-quota
17:53 VanessaE hm, no apparent option to set up a git repo on my website.
17:54 Jordach VanessaE, i'd just upload the 512 every now and then on your website
17:54 VanessaE yeah, right
17:55 VanessaE 1.1GB ZIP?  over a 3Mbps link?
17:55 VanessaE you're funny :)
17:55 Calinou .tar.xz > zip :p
17:55 VanessaE I guess I could rsync it
17:55 Jordach VanessaE, should take fuck all time
17:55 Calinou it was 25% better for a 1.6GB archive for me
17:55 Jordach 3mb up would take you ~14 mins
17:55 VanessaE Calinou: suddenly, windows users.
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17:55 Jordach suddenly: non 64bit builds
17:57 Dan_D On Xubuntu is there any way to access the file manager, apart from the default short-cuts on desktop?
17:57 VanessaE Dan_D: thunar
17:57 Dan_D Ok
17:58 Jordach XFCE Logo > Accessories > File Manager
17:58 Dan_D Ah.
17:58 VanessaE or do that
17:58 Dan_D Doh, stupid of me really
17:58 Dan_D *punches self violently*
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18:01 Calinou Super+F
18:01 Calinou (super is "windows")
18:01 Calinou Dan_D: super+f for files, super+t for terminal, super+w for web, super+e for editor, super+m for mail
18:01 Calinou :p
18:01 Jordach lol windows key
18:02 Dan_D Super?
18:02 Dan_D On Linux?
18:03 Calinou yeah
18:03 Calinou xubuntu
18:04 Calinou Super is the Windows key
18:04 Dan_D Well, it orks
18:04 Calinou (left and right, both work)
18:04 Dan_D *works
18:04 VanessaE hm, actually it seems my webhost does have git
18:04 * VanessaE creates a new repo.
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18:07 zat So someone knows what is this? http://i.imgur.com/OYYlEkw.png
18:08 sfan5 proller: building..
18:11 Peacock http://s24.postimg.org/499gqxaud/map.jpg
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18:14 dafull97 Hey guys
18:14 dafull97 back again...
18:15 sfan5 proller: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/minetest-0​.4.7-2134316-proller-next-win32.7z
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18:15 proller thank you
18:15 Jordach hey Evergreen
18:15 Evergreen Anyone want to play some hungry games on sfan5's server?
18:15 Evergreen hi
18:15 Jordach fuck that
18:16 * Jordach is shit at PvP
18:16 Calinou I read "MLP"
18:16 * Calinou gallops away
18:16 * Jordach prefers MC PvP; with lava pits
18:16 Evergreen Yes, pvp in miecraft is much better imo
18:16 Jordach i've played it on xbox and PC, both are better at this respect
18:17 Calinou it is yeah, but it's also more unbalanced
18:17 Peacock id say griefing qualifies as pvp lol in which case, mt does it just as well as mc
18:17 Calinou Jordach: lol, pvp on a xbox
18:17 Jordach Calinou, bow and arrows
18:17 Jordach Calinou, i often kill every mother fucker who gets in my way on Battlefield
18:17 Jordach same for other arena type shooter
18:18 Jordach (i once got 14 kills 0 deaths with a handgun)
18:18 andersje jordach:  you're a bf3 guy, too?
18:19 Jordach andersje, i play both mainstream games, planning on getting BF4
18:19 Jordach but avioding Ghosts
18:19 andersje I'm on the fence with bf3.
18:19 andersje err, bf4
18:19 Jordach avoiding*
18:19 VanessaE ah there it goes
18:19 andersje jordach:  my bf3 userhandle is also andersje.  feel free to add me as a friend =)
18:19 Jordach xbox?
18:19 * VanessaE uploads HDX 512 to a new repo on her web server
18:19 andersje PC baby.
18:19 Jordach dammit
18:19 andersje =)
18:20 Jordach i'm not a fan with PC versions
18:20 andersje i hear world of tanks is available for xbox now
18:20 Jordach too damn high requirements
18:20 andersje my eldest just got an xbox 360, but I haven't run the new ethernet to the basement to hook it up
18:20 andersje meh, maybe I'll just put it on the wireless
18:21 * rubenwardy1 learning DJango
18:22 rubenwardy1 *is
18:22 Dan_D Hi again
18:22 * Dan_D is still puzzled about command-0line Github Repo making...
18:23 VanessaE I did it manually just now but I had to muddle my way through it
18:26 Dan_D Apart from VanessaE's server, do any others use my castles+ mod?
18:27 andersje Dan_D: what's it do?
18:27 thexyz rubenwardy1: so how's it?
18:27 Evergreen I usually just do it online, then clone it
18:27 Dan_D andersje look on the forum thread
18:27 rubenwardy1 Very interesting
18:27 Dan_D Evergreen, you mean repo maing?
18:27 Dan_D If so,sounds cool
18:28 thexyz interesting, indeed
18:29 thexyz https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7336
18:30 andersje Dan_D: that looks super nice.  My kids will love that.  I'll install that around on my servers shortly.
18:31 Dan_D Thanks!
18:31 Dan_D It is updated about once a week
18:32 andersje I'll grab it via git then.
18:32 andersje my youngest is all about minecraft, but things like this may bring him back to the fold
18:34 Dan_D Yep
18:34 Dan_D I play Mc too, but it is so resource-hungry
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18:37 Miner_48er anyone know of a mod like on King-Arthur that displays server rules with an accept button like the wiki mod? It seems like ever server would need something like that since players rarely read signs. Any suggestions?
18:38 * andersje nods
18:39 andersje Dan_D: so the latest versions of your mod include a crossbow, don't they?
18:39 andersje I'd read more on the forum, but I'm ssh'd in, and the connection is SLOOOOW
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18:43 Dan_D andersje,yes, it does have a crossbow
18:45 Evergreen Thank you to whoever pointed aseprite out to me, now that I use xfce, it works like a charm
18:50 andersje thanks, Dan_D
18:51 Evergreen What do your kids like?
18:53 andersje one likes building entire cities.  One likes griefing.
18:53 andersje =)
18:53 andersje but they were both impressed by castles in minecraft, with murder holes and what not
18:55 Jordach probably kaeza
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18:55 Jordach (i found it through him too)
18:55 Jordach ...no, not like that
18:55 * Jordach pokes VanessaE with the Ping stick
18:56 Evergreen Lol, I think you should install the nuke mod, and the tnt mod
18:56 Evergreen As well as the guns mod
18:56 andersje oh, they love the tnt mod
18:56 andersje I was under the impression that the guns mod wasn't a good thing for a server tho
18:56 Evergreen Have you see the nuke mod yet?
18:56 Evergreen Yeah, it isn't
18:57 Evergreen It has hardcore iron tnt which releases a ton of iron tnt on explosion
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18:57 andersje we've got TNT spread around most of the worlds now, and the griefer is learning not to blow up our stuff
18:57 cy1 how about a chest sorting mod. ;_;
18:57 andersje all of us are finding ourselves wishing for a direction-blast version of TNT, suitable for mining.
18:57 Evergreen whatever you do, don't let the griefer on our servers lol
18:57 andersje heh.
18:58 andersje yeah, he's learning.
18:58 andersje he's only 8.
18:58 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:58 andersje my youngest son
18:58 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:58 andersje I keep telling him that if he griefs anywhere but our servers, he's going to get banned PERMANENTLY
18:58 andersje on ours, he just loses interact for a few days
18:58 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:59 andersje and then, his brother and I also won't help him build anything, and I think that's even more effective than taking away interact
18:59 cy1 Blowing up stuff is cool, but not nearly as cool as chain reactions.
18:59 andersje yes.
18:59 andersje has anyone tinkered with a directional explosive?
18:59 andersje or is that not possible with the engine?
19:00 Evergreen Oh, it definitely is
19:00 andersje oooh.
19:00 Evergreen It's just that no one has done it yet
19:00 andersje I should look into the TNT mod
19:00 andersje because for mining, shaped charges would be AWESOME
19:01 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:01 * andersje digs through some code
19:01 Dan_D IDK if my version is compatable...
19:02 Evergreen andersje: Here is the nuke mod if you want, it's by sfan    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com​/u/30267315/Minetest/nuke1.5.zip
19:02 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:03 MinetestBot prestotron55: Document isn't HTML
19:03 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:03 andersje thanks
19:03 Jordach prestotron55, .zip files arent html
19:03 Jordach n00b
19:03 Evergreen If you don't truest me, forum link:   https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=638
19:03 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:03 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:03 MinetestBot prestotron55: [Mod] Nuke Mod [1.5] [nuke] (Page 1) — Mod Releases — Minetest Forums
19:04 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:04 Jordach UMM
19:04 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/4id4SBh.png
19:04 Jordach you need hardcore mese tnt to make hardcore mese tnt
19:04 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:06 Evergreen I have done a fair it with html and css, but I never have made a webpage with python, or pearl elements to it
19:06 Evergreen I might try it at some point
19:06 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:06 Jordach Perl*
19:06 Jordach get it right or gtfo
19:07 sfan5 ^
19:07 Evergreen lol
19:07 * Jordach high fives sfan5
19:07 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:07 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:07 * Evergreen slaps Jordach and sfan5 with the ping stick
19:07 Jordach prestotron55, yours shake more than mine
19:07 Peacock perl... fond memories of Common Gateway Interface lol
19:07 * sfan5 throws Encryption at Jordach
19:07 sfan5 Jordach: plol
19:07 andersje oh man.
19:07 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:08 andersje the days before mod_perl were not pretty.
19:08 * andersje thinks about that
19:08 * Jordach pisses self laughing
19:08 * andersje isn't sure the days AFTER mod_perl were pretty.
19:08 Peacock though with CGI if im not mistaken, you could just as easily write a dynamic site in C
19:08 * Dan_D eats Fishcakes. Yum!
19:08 andersje absolutely.
19:08 * prestotron55 is proud of barely there shaking boobs!
19:08 Jordach prestotron55, moobs*
19:08 cy1 "easily"
19:09 andersje before everyone insisted on building interpretation stuff into apache modules, I remember cgis in awk, and shell too
19:09 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:09 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:09 cy1 Peacock: mod_perl is sort of like if you wrote a C program, called it apache, and ran the functions to evaluate perl code.
19:09 Peacock well php 2-3 were reasonable, then they started adding all sorts of shit like gotos and complex class structures lol
19:09 Peacock for what is essentially a dynamic site scripting language
19:10 jrabbit templating*
19:10 Peacock whatever the hell the current buzzword is lol
19:10 * prestotron55 has PHP 5 installed with SocialSwim!
19:10 Jordach tch, pointless ad
19:11 PilzAdam !mute prestotron55
19:11 PilzAdam told you to not talk about that again
19:11 cy1 does anyone know if a switching station can take low voltage generators and turn it to medium voltage?
19:11 cy1 in technic
19:11 Jordach cy1, i thought that too
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19:12 cy1 sorry, a uh... conversion thingy
19:12 Miner_48er should
19:12 Peacock lol
19:12 Peacock he'll just come back with a different name
19:12 Jordach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jzMw9ezE3I
19:12 cy1 does it just take a heck of a lot of LV power? I don't want to keep using up diamonds to make generators...
19:13 Jordach water mills are more effective cy1, but mv panels are way better (hint: use power at night and not day)
19:13 cy1 afaik there's only LV generators, and solar panels, and uh, nuke
19:13 cy1 it'd be nice if you could make a MV water mill. It'd have to require flowing lava or something lol.
19:14 Peacock wish there was a simpler technical mod without a gazillion dependencies lol
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19:14 Peacock wireless power is the wave future :P
19:14 cy1 switching stations still boggle me. You like, put them sort of next to but not quite in the way of a circuit and they magically work
19:14 Peacock *of the
19:15 cy1 Peacock: when you know of a wireless powered tool repairer, or block destroyer lemme know. <_<
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19:16 Peacock yeah i still have to deactivate creative mode and activate the creative inv for whitelisted, noticed tools don't wear out on my server
19:16 sfan5 oh how nice, disable CBC cipher suites for ssl in apache makes Java 7 go nuts but java 6 works fine
19:16 john_minetest good evening everypony
19:16 Peacock but for wireless power the concept is simple
19:16 sfan5 disabling*
19:16 Peacock the machines use the find_node_in radius or whatever to find a generator within range
19:17 cy1 seems you'd want special wireless transmitters and receivers, not all powered devices...
19:17 Peacock or group=generator if you have more than one type
19:18 Peacock http://www.ted.com/talks/eric_gile​r_demos_wireless_electricity.html
19:18 Peacock maybe a wireless transmitter, but if you want to do away with wires (which would be my intent) then theyd always have to be place ontop the genny, which means you might as well make it builtin and save the extra node
19:19 Peacock you could have wireless range boosters,
19:19 Wuzzy lol I am on sfan5’s Hunger Games server again. lol the house got a redesign. I like it. :-)
19:19 Peacock placed within the radius of a genny, it extends the range to a new radius around the booster
19:19 Wuzzy I don’t know if it works now
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19:19 sfan5 Wuzzy: if you would have read my post in the server topic you would have known that the server uses another map
19:19 Peacock in any case, im working on steam power right now, got steam powered gates for my riven islands all set up :-)
19:20 Jordach is there also a SteamOS controlling the gates
19:20 Jordach >:D
19:20 Wuzzy I still like it. :-P
19:20 Peacock naw, theres a steamgen, and small pipes to carry the steam
19:21 Peacock but for actual electricity (ill eventually have a steam-to-elec genny) id go wireless
19:22 cy1 Peacock: Oh, you mean in the real world :p
19:22 Peacock yeah like i have to to build that IRL
19:22 Peacock lol
19:27 john_minetest Why is there no large font by default in minetest?
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19:28 PilzAdam there is font_size in minetest.conf ...
19:28 sfan5 Jordach: do you have a blocky model of a kitten?
19:30 Jordach i dont happen to; the last time i tried a got a bear
19:30 andersje make the ears pointier and call it a kitten?
19:30 PilzAdam bye
19:32 Jordach oh fuck jesus my girlfriend just said something funny
19:33 Jordach "Does a zombie lesbian want to eat brains or pussy?"
19:33 sfan5 pussy ofc
19:33 * Calinou finally has a new signature
19:33 Jordach fine, you'll get your damn kittly model
19:33 Calinou (not related)
19:34 Dan_D Hi
19:34 Calinou hi Dan_D :)
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19:40 Wuzzy Someone posted a Riven map on this channel some hours (?) ago, but I can’t recall who. Why did you do that?
19:46 john_minetest I think that zombies of each kind want to eat brains.
19:47 john_minetest Since the zombie's brain doesn't contain the character of the zombified person anymore, zombies are all the same.
19:52 andersje short of digging through the minetest code, is there a list of function calls?  that is, is the API documented for writing mods?
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19:53 Miner_48er http://dev.minetest.net/Intro
19:53 Miner_48er http://dev.minetest.net/Main_Page
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19:53 Hunterz hello
19:53 sfan5 hi
19:53 Miner_48er hi
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19:54 Peacock wuzzy that was me
19:55 Wuzzy And why did you post that again?
19:55 Wuzzy (I am just curious.)
19:56 Peacock because i could?
19:56 Wuzzy lol
19:56 Wuzzy I can recall the  old Riventest mod
19:56 Peacock dont know what else to say :P
19:57 Wuzzy but it does not work for current versions
19:57 Peacock riventest was based on the MC mod by the name mystcraft
19:57 Wuzzy but the cool thing is
19:57 Wuzzy not really
19:57 Peacock ive seen gotten my hands on the real textures with which to recreate the ages
19:57 Wuzzy the linking books! hahaha
19:57 cy1 The Riven mod was the first one to try and figure out teleporters IIRC
19:57 Peacock there were portal mods before linking books?
19:57 Wuzzy myst craft does not use teleporters afaik
19:57 cy1 Not that I know of...
19:58 Peacock btw, added the linking books back to my server, transporters are cool, but they work like spiderwebs, books are 1-way
19:58 Wuzzy it causes mc to generate new worlds thats a whole different story
19:58 Wuzzy did anyone try to revive riventest?
19:58 Peacock doubt you could
19:58 Peacock i didn't *make* the textures myself
19:58 Wuzzy does that matter? LOL
19:59 Peacock not to me, but to others :P
19:59 Wuzzy Whatever.
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19:59 Peacock thats what i figured lol
19:59 Wuzzy Maybe I should finally release the refurbished Riventest version I have lying around for months ... ;-)
19:59 Peacock but you'd have a hard time posting the mod now
20:00 Wuzzy ???
20:00 Peacock well if youre using the same textures, then the same license problem applies
20:00 dafull97 Questions Guys
20:00 Wuzzy I just use the same license as the riventest mod
20:00 Wuzzy Problem solved!
20:01 Peacock that doesn't mean the textures are actually under that license lol i just chose it because i  was forced to license and forced to chose from a list of licenses :P
20:01 Wuzzy so what?
20:02 Peacock so expect the same grief i got :P
20:02 Wuzzy whenever *I* am forced to choose i licence, i choose WTFPL (if its my work ofc).
20:02 Wuzzy Did you get sued or whatever?
20:02 Wuzzy did you get mobbed?
20:03 Peacock no but i doubt they'd put in Releases either :P
20:03 Peacock mobbed? on here yeah lol
20:03 Wuzzy ??? why ???
20:03 Peacock because open source, fsf, blah blah blah
20:03 Wuzzy ???
20:03 Peacock nevermind :P i stopped posting mods for good reasons :P
20:04 Peacock lets leave it at that
20:04 Wuzzy Hmmm I just post the new version and see what happens.
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20:05 VanessaE can someone try this please:  git clone http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/git/hdx-512.git
20:05 Peacock wuzzy good luck ;)
20:05 Peacock put your name on it though
20:05 Wuzzy VanessaE: cloning or compiling?
20:05 VanessaE clone it.
20:06 Peacock (not mine :P)
20:06 Evergreen It's a texture pack.   :P
20:06 VanessaE just wanna see if this works.
20:06 VanessaE I'm trying to move it away from github as it's getting so huge now.
20:06 VanessaE you don't have to let it finish, just make sure it is able to actually start downloading
20:06 Peacock arent many filehosts with huge limits for free
20:07 Wuzzy I guess thats not the only reason ;-)
20:07 Wuzzy "fatal: repository 'BLA' not found."
20:07 Peacock tho judging by your computer specs you prolly have the funds for a decent host
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20:07 Dan_D What did I do wrong here?
20:08 Dan_D on_construct=function(pos)
20:08 Dan_D if pos.y<1 then
20:08 Dan_D minetest.set_node(pos,"player_radar:radar_broken")
20:08 Dan_D end
20:08 Dan_D end,
20:08 Wuzzy the comma? (just guessing)
20:08 Peacock minetest.set_node(pos,"player_radar:radar_broken")
20:08 Dan_D Ah
20:08 Peacock minetest.set_node(pos,{name="​player_radar:radar_broken"})
20:08 Wuzzy -_-
20:09 Wuzzy <<<<<< fool pointer
20:09 Dan_D Thanks
20:09 Peacock np
20:10 Wuzzy lol VanessaE it give me a fatal but I can view it in browser... XD
20:10 john_minetest Wuzzy: Fool pointer is like that:             *fool
20:11 Peacock wow, no wonder americans keep guns in their car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNOyDMzn2bY
20:11 Peacock theres like 50 bikers to one driver
20:13 Jordach sfan5, kitty: http://i.imgur.com/MSM1WWV.png
20:13 sfan5 nice
20:13 Jordach looks kinda familiar
20:14 andersje Peacock: I can't watch videos...bicyclists or motorcycle bikers?
20:14 Jordach because 1) i'm too lazy to wikipedia a decent model
20:14 Jordach 2) that model is nice and easy
20:14 Wuzzy wait, Peacock, you didn’t make Riventest, right?
20:14 andersje Miner_48er: thanks for the links
20:14 Peacock andersje, motorcycle bikers, and quit using Trisquell :P
20:15 Peacock wuzzy yeah i did
20:15 andersje Peacock: bad news is a lot of motorcyclists are armed, too
20:15 Wuzzy <https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2399> and who is this one?
20:15 andersje of course, they're gonna be ANYWAY.
20:15 Wuzzy called "mauvebic"
20:15 Peacock me lol
20:15 Wuzzy 2 names?
20:15 Dan_D VanessaE, can you replace the player radar mod in camo, on your server, with this one? Thanks. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/lhdhoxdc9​agd80x/player_radar.zip?token_hash=AAGZeMnKYd​M9Y9EhCBvgAG8VLvxYCksh9P_MCAqahDX_wA&amp;dl=1
20:15 Peacock fewer than alot of people here lol
20:16 VanessaE not rightnow
20:16 sfan5 Jordach: please tell me I did this right: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/upl​oad/userdata/1/0000-0220.avi
20:16 Jordach that's a blender render, y u no ogv
20:16 Peacock funny (or pathetic) how alot of my griefers with diff. names and IPs come from the same towns and cities lol
20:17 VanessaE Wuzzy: try again:  git clone http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/git/hdx-512.git
20:17 VanessaE I think it works now
20:17 VanessaE Dan_D: you too, plz
20:17 andersje Peacock: where are you?
20:17 Peacock central Quebec
20:17 Jordach sfan5, brick: seems legit (you need to disable the filters) looks good
20:17 andersje ah.  hold on, I'm figuring this out...you're Mauvebic too?
20:17 Peacock far enough from the river that we don't totally freeze our asterisks off in winter :P
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20:17 Peacock yep
20:18 andersje hey, you've made some really cool stuff.
20:18 Peacock used to
20:18 andersje I'm in Southern canada myself:  MN.
20:18 Peacock MN?
20:18 sfan5 Jordach: how do I get the face to render right
20:18 Peacock Manitoba?
20:18 Dan_D WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /tmp/keyring-5cEtXa/pkcs11: No such file or directory
20:18 andersje Minnesota, USA
20:18 Peacock oh lol
20:18 andersje we're more like CA than the rest of the USA.
20:18 VanessaE Dan_D: ignore that.  is it downloading?
20:18 Peacock well more like northern US
20:18 Dan_D Or VanessaE, just update all of camo mod
20:18 Jordach my technique is to subdivide the HAT LAYER and remove the white areas by deleteing faces
20:18 Peacock they say that about Vermont
20:18 Dan_D No, it is not doing anything
20:18 andersje and before you point out the really crazy politicians like Norm Coleman and Michelle Bachmann...they're imports, not natives.
20:19 andersje Wisconsin has gone kinda crazy
20:19 VanessaE Dan_D: look at your network bandwidth meter
20:19 VanessaE (if you have one)
20:19 Peacock something, Walker the gov. of Wisconsin i think?
20:19 VanessaE if it just sits there without timing out, it might be working
20:19 andersje yeah, union breaker
20:19 andersje basically, he believes gov't exists to screw people, and he's out to prove himself right.
20:19 VanessaE (I'm test-cloning using hubby's computer, it's actively downloading
20:19 VanessaE )
20:19 Peacock well if unions hadn't turned into replicas of the mafia people would still find them useful
20:19 Dan_D VanessaE, will you update camo?
20:20 Peacock the few union jobs ive had paid less than all the rest
20:20 andersje Peacock: depends on the union.
20:20 Dan_D Also,nothing is happening yet
20:20 VanessaE yes, later, after I'm sure I got this working
20:20 andersje whoa, weird.
20:20 sfan5 Jordach: where do I disable filtering?
20:20 Peacock you earn the same shit pay, and you have to pay your dues on top
20:20 andersje here in the states, union jobs invariably pay more than non-union jobs -- even after taking out union dues.
20:20 Peacock we already pay two income taxes (federal and provincial)
20:20 Dan_D Well, it made the hdx folder where I wanted, but nothing in it
20:21 andersje for example, when I taught at a technical college, I was in a teacher's union.  I made about $8k/yr more than the guys at the non-unionized schools, but paid about $1200 of that into dues.
20:21 Peacock unions for professionals look out more for their members than blue collar unions,
20:21 andersje in the states, we pay federal, state (except in florida) income taxes, plus sometimes municipal income taxes.
20:21 Hunterz is in the minetest some command like /spawn /sethome or others known on bukkit servers?
20:21 Peacock the blue collar unions seem to only be interested in taxing their members
20:21 Dan_D VanessaE, it didn't download
20:21 VanessaE Dan_D: did it time out?
20:21 Dan_D No, just did nothing
20:21 Peacock notice how the head of unions live in houses 10 times the size of yours
20:22 andersje I dunno, the teamsters seem to do okay taking care of their guys.  as with anything else, though, YMMV
20:22 andersje yeah.
20:22 VanessaE Dan_D: you didn't abort it did you?
20:22 Dan_D No error, nothing
20:22 Dan_D I had to abort
20:22 sfan5 Hunterz: there are not man commands in minetest, there are many mods that do things like CommandBin or Essentials does on Bukkit
20:22 VanessaE why?
20:22 sfan5 many*
20:22 Dan_D IDK
20:22 andersje but I'll give Jimmy Hoffa Sr. this:  he did improve the conditions for the average joe.
20:22 Hunterz thanks
20:22 Dan_D I will try again VanessaE, on the terms that you update camo on the server
20:22 VanessaE Dan_D: I'll update camo shortly.
20:22 Peacock yeah but where are those jobs now? (hint China, Mexico)
20:23 Dan_D Cool
20:23 andersje Peacock: I know.
20:23 VanessaE ok, it's pulled and staged.
20:23 VanessaE meanwhile my test clone of the hdx-512 repo is still downloading.
20:23 Peacock and look at Detroit, case example of union power taken to extremes
20:23 andersje I used to know a guy who worked for the Teamsters.  He said part of the master plan was unionizing India and Mexico.
20:23 Dan_D VanessaE, no webpages load now that I am trying to clone hdx
20:23 andersje though he said it was rougher there, because you could end up dead for trying to organize things
20:23 VanessaE Dan_D: because git is using up all your download bandwidth to fetch it
20:23 andersje of course, that's no different than the USA in the 1920s
20:24 Peacock well if the Comintern was still around that might have happened, but i doubt they'll unionize now
20:24 Jordach sfan5, kitty! http://i.imgur.com/DJTIzZh.png
20:24 andersje Comintern?  i don't recognize the term
20:24 sfan5 Jordach: awesome
20:24 Peacock people got whacked in north America for organizing unions in the 20s and 30's too, and well into the 50's and 60's in Quebec
20:24 andersje (and I don't think the chinese communist party would welcome a challenge like labor unions)
20:24 andersje wow, nasty.
20:24 Jordach sfan5, i pretty much nicked the mc model
20:24 * john_minetest meows and gives a fishy to Jordach
20:24 * Jordach purrs
20:24 * sfan5 puts a kitten on Jordach's head
20:25 VanessaE Dan_D: ok, the servers have been updated and restarted.
20:25 * Jordach purrs again
20:25 Dan_D Coolio
20:25 Jordach fun fact: i havent saved the model
20:25 john_minetest Jordach: quit.blend
20:25 john_minetest or open last
20:25 Dan_D I can't join though, because of hdx downloading
20:25 Peacock they say for every bridge and dam we have in Quebec, there are bodies in the foundations lol
20:25 Jordach anyways, i'll texture that kitty tomorrow
20:25 Dan_D I will abort VanessaE
20:25 VanessaE nooooooo
20:25 Dan_D Actually no
20:25 VanessaE do not abort it
20:25 VanessaE just let it finish
20:26 Dan_D Ok
20:26 VanessaE it won't give you a progress report because it's http://
20:26 Peacock Dan_D you can't abort Vanessa, kinda tough to do when they're already born
20:26 andersje Peacock: heh.  they used to say that about the Great Wall of China, too
20:26 Peacock well that's hella ancient
20:26 VanessaE I'm at about 75% judging by the usage of the receiving folder.
20:26 Dan_D I now have IRC, Mozilla, Minetest, and Github all trying to use my Internet :(
20:26 VanessaE not github.
20:26 VanessaE just git.
20:27 Dan_D Well, whatever
20:27 Peacock thats all? i occasionally have patrons from the downstairs pub trying to connect to me
20:27 Peacock just because my network name is twocheeseburgers
20:27 Peacock lol
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20:27 Peacock maybe i should go with goatse?
20:27 Jordach hahaha
20:27 Peacock i'll be damned, howdy RBA
20:28 RealBadAngel hi
20:28 VanessaE hey RBA!
20:28 andersje Peacock: set them up with the UpsideDownTernet
20:28 Dan_D VanessaE, terminal just closed without crash.
20:28 VanessaE er
20:28 Dan_D IDK why
20:28 VanessaE well I can't do much about that :P
20:28 andersje http://www.ex-parrot.com/pe​te/upside-down-ternet.html
20:28 Dan_D Just flashed some text then closed
20:28 Dan_D Too fast to read
20:29 john_minetest andersje: It is much cooler to do it by hand.
20:29 Peacock tho the worse is when a few them setup hotspots on their phones, my connection goes all wonky
20:29 VanessaE yay!
20:29 VanessaE it worked
20:29 Dan_D Coolioioio
20:29 Dan_D I have to go now
20:29 john_minetest andersje: http://xkcd.com/341/
20:29 Peacock not coolio, http://buttheadandbeavis.files.wo​rdpress.com/2011/12/cornholio.jpg
20:30 sfan5 "Don't ask me what happend." http://sfan5.duckdns.org/upl​oad/userdata/1/0000-0220.ogg
20:30 Miner_48er Dan_D check your debug.txt
20:33 BlockMen gd n8t everyone
20:33 VanessaE grrrr
20:33 VanessaE how do I force the forum to NOT try to expand a URL into a real link?
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20:36 Miner_48er [/url] ?
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20:37 VanessaE er, no
20:37 LazyJ Like a "TinyURL", is what I reckon VanessaE, is reffering too.
20:37 VanessaE no
20:38 * LazyJ loses yet again. :)-
20:38 VanessaE I mean if I write a URL into a post, I want the forum to NOT automatically turn it into a real link
20:38 VanessaE I want the raw URL only.
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20:38 Nocte| Hello...
20:39 VanessaE hi
20:39 Nocte| Hmm... I'm trying to figure out how craft stuff out of iron. (I already got some Iron ore/lump whatever.
20:39 Sokomine nothing mt-related, but...hmm...why don't i have /dev/dsp? need to record something on line1 (linux)
20:40 Sokomine place it in the middle of your crafting grid and sourround it with wooden planks. that gives you a locked chest
20:40 Miner_48er VanessaE have you removed the [url][/url] ?
20:40 Sokomine you can also do buckets (v-shape)
20:40 Nocte| I mean, like swords/tools.
20:40 LazyJ Would an extra space between the "http://" and the body and then another before and after the period in the prefix not trigger the auto-url function?
20:41 Sokomine nocte: same like wood...but with a steel ingot (=melted iron lump) instead of wooden planks
20:41 VanessaE screw it, I'll just force it to point back to the forum topic.
20:41 Sokomine if you need general crafting advice..hm. there used to be a craft guide for the basics somewhere
20:41 Nocte| Hmm.. How do I melt lumps? /is a newb.
20:41 Nocte| Woot. So much coal!
20:41 Calinou Nocte|: use a furnace
20:41 Sokomine or go to Redcrabs server (redcrab.suret.net port 30410) and visit my crafting school there
20:41 VanessaE LazyJ: it would not, but it would break it.
20:41 Calinou http://wiki.minetest.net/Furnace
20:41 Calinou Sokomine: don't you mean 30401
20:42 Sokomine calinou: oh, yes, sorry!
20:42 Calinou :)
20:42 * Calinou still remembers it, even though he doesn't play there anymore
20:42 Sokomine come back eventually. there are some great buildings
20:42 Miner_48er VanessaE use [code] [/code]
20:42 Nocte| Also: I'm using these mods: Pyramid and Simple Mobs.
20:42 Sokomine and if you find a living, responding redcrab, you'll get at least one stack of mese from me!
20:42 Sokomine or make that 10 stacks...
20:43 Sokomine nocte: hmm. better lern the basics first :-)
20:43 Calinou maybe from time to time
20:43 Nocte| Nah.
20:43 Nocte| Learn while playing. :)
20:43 Calinou I don't play because owner went missing, and it's very outdated too
20:43 Calinou I hve quite a lot of stuff too
20:43 Sokomine yes, the missing owner is a problem :_(
20:43 Calinou several stacks of mese blocks that were mined before the update
20:43 Sokomine now...hm...
20:44 Calinou back in summer 2012 or so
20:44 Nocte| Oh also: I found this large cave system.
20:44 Nocte| With coal and stuff.
20:44 Calinou Minetest can have great caves sometimes :D
20:44 Nocte| Explore, Yes/No?
20:44 Calinou yes, but bring a stone or steel sword :)
20:44 * Sokomine looks puzzled at the sound producing device connected to her line in and tries to figure out how to operate a mixer and to get any recording tool to reacto to that line...
20:44 Sokomine explore if you like :-)
20:44 Calinou sound producing device?
20:44 Calinou I don't get it :P
20:45 Sokomine try to get deep enough soon enough for mese crystals (-64). they make good tools
20:45 Sokomine er, that what we had before the cd player and that played music...modern type of gramophone?
20:45 Calinou the deeper you are, the more mese
20:45 Sokomine i've hooked it up but am currently searching for the right...channel...mixer config...whatever. i usually don't do much with sound
20:45 Calinou "sound producing device" ask my graphics card
20:46 Sokomine :-
20:46 Peacock the grammarphone? http://xfinity.comcast.net/blogs/t​v/files/2012/08/kelsey-grammer.jpg
20:46 Sokomine :-)
20:46 Calinou I can play music with it if I change FPS limit in a game (and if it's reached)
20:46 Calinou due to coil whine :P
20:46 Sokomine no, i can produce grammar on my own :)
20:46 Peacock lol i read e coli wine
20:46 * Peacock needs glasses
20:47 Sokomine ah yes. english just calls those "discs" gramophone records
20:47 Peacock vinyls?
20:47 Nocte| LPs..
20:47 Nocte| Vinyls. Etc.
20:48 Nocte| Found some more Iron Lumps!
20:48 Sokomine ok. the player plays it happily, the cables are set...but where's my sound?
20:49 Peacock being absorbed by a quantum singularity
20:49 Peacock (ie, a blackhole)
20:49 Calinou going to sleep, night ^_^
20:49 * Sokomine looks innocently at a chest containing chests of cobble in mt
20:49 Sokomine sleep well, calinou
20:49 Nocte| Also: Not Minetest related, anyone who plays Fallout 3?
20:49 Calinou nope
20:49 Calinou but I play TF2 :p
20:50 Nocte| Hehe. Fallout 3 is sooo brutal because of lack of ammo. :(
20:50 Peacock and all the guys carrying ammo are crowding around the one girl on the server? :P
20:50 Calinou red eclipse lacks ammo too, and it's not brutal
20:50 Nocte| WOOT! IRON. This is cool cave. Haha.
20:51 Nocte| Calinou...
20:51 Calinou :p
20:51 Nocte| The damage in Fallout 3 is just so ridiculous.
20:51 Nocte| And you are more likely to be killed than the enemy.
20:51 Nocte| Especially when starting out.
20:51 Calinou same applies in duel, when the opponent picks all the grenades
20:52 Nocte| But this is against multiple enemy A.Is.
20:52 Nocte| :|
20:53 Nocte| There seems to be more Iron in the depths... Should I go explore?
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20:56 Sokomine if you want more ores, you ought to explore. perhaps you want to install moreores first?
20:57 Nocte| Install as in?
20:57 Nocte| Ah, right the mod!
20:57 Nocte| What types of ores are there in Minetest?
20:59 Nocte| And what comes in the mod?
21:00 Peacock code, textures, the usual
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21:03 t3o I try to program a mod.. I want to have moving nodes that should have a direction at least. Probably speed. How/where can I store this data?
21:04 Nocte| Heh, I got every bit of Iron out of the cave...
21:04 t3o I see http://dev.minetest.net/NodeMetaRef but.. it looks like I would have to move the meta data on its own.. when moving one of my objects
21:04 Nocte| Now to where?
21:07 Nocte| I want to make some kind of building as a base of operations. :|
21:09 t3o Nocte|: install some mobs: https://github.com/PilzAdam/mobs
21:10 Nocte| Already installed.
21:10 Nocte| Simple Mods, right?
21:10 t3o yea
21:10 Nocte| The game lags a bit when moving.
21:10 t3o mobs
21:10 Sokomine get yourshelf a steel sword...
21:10 t3o mo_b_s
21:11 Sokomine or tame the mobs by changing the mobs mod to more friendly mobs :-)
21:11 Nocte| How can I craft a map?
21:11 Nocte| :|
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21:12 Evergreen You can't
21:12 VanessaE there isn't one.
21:12 VanessaE you have to use the map overview tool
21:12 VanessaE (an external program that generates images)
21:12 Evergreen minetest_mapper.py  is in minetest_directory/docs
21:13 Sokomine there's an ingame mapping mod, but it's barely useful as it shows even less than you can see. it might be useful to see floor plans of the house you're in, but that's about it
21:13 Sokomine press f5 - then you will see the coordinates. remember where you live and where your mine is
21:13 Sokomine i recommend my travelnet-mod for easy travelling around (and finding back home)
21:15 Evergreen The /home mod might be useful, the /warp mod probably will be too
21:15 cy1 Travelnet is fun. Less chunks need to load too. Teleportation ftw :>
21:16 Nocte| My memory is so bad that I won't remember where the hell the places are. :D
21:16 cy1 minetest has a home mod, which is a button in the inventory, not /home. It's... kind of odd. Also the "sethome" button is riiiiight next to it, which has led to many a tragic home loss for me.
21:16 cy1 Nocte|: that's what notepad is for :|
21:17 cy1 VanessaE: your git URL seems to be hanging for me. Might it not be easier to use git --daemon and have git:// URLs?
21:17 cy1 No gitweb that way though, hm...
21:18 t3o Sokomine: is there a webpage about Travelnet? I was thinking about doing somethin similar
21:18 Nocte| Hmm... Are there 'windows' that doesn't require glass or such?
21:18 t3o Nocte|: you can look through a door..
21:19 cy1 VanessaE: Then again your pack is... 700 megabytes. o.O
21:19 harrison http://youtu.be/dzwqvuQ7bTk
21:20 Sokomine t3o: like with all mods, there's a thread in the mt forum
21:20 Nocte| A house without a roof! :D
21:20 Sokomine see here: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4877  the minetest forum contains a lot of helpful informations
21:21 harrison house with no roof -- sounds like an image from a malick film
21:22 Sokomine i got a bit further with my (non-mt-related) recording attempt...so the cabling might be correct. still, a lot of white noise on the line. very odd
21:25 Nocte| Woot. Now it got itself a roof. :D
21:25 t3o k
21:25 Nocte| Should I decorate the roof with stairs or not?
21:25 Peacock or the bones of your enemies
21:26 Sokomine depends on the house. do you have a picture?
21:27 Nocte| Its just basic house made out of wooden planks.
21:28 Nocte| 5x4 squares large.
21:28 Sokomine ah, ok. don't forget to do some sight-seeing on servers once you got the basics. there are some great buildings you can enjoy on the multiple servers
21:28 Sokomine also, multiplayer is more fun :-)
21:29 Nocte| Hehe.
21:29 VanessaE cy1: can't be helped :-/
21:29 VanessaE just let it finish, git doesn't give you status info during an http:// download.
21:29 VanessaE meanwhile, I'm uploading a ZIP release.
21:29 Nocte| Now I need a fence. :D
21:31 VanessaE cy1: also, I show it being ~1.1GB
21:31 VanessaE (after extracting the ZIP that's busy uploading now)
21:34 Nocte| Too bad there's no gates in this game.
21:34 Nocte| Would make sense if you had a fence.
21:34 VanessaE there are gates provided by some mods
21:35 VanessaE cottages, homedecor, probably others
21:36 Nocte| Is there any 'Furniture' mod packs?
21:37 VanessaE yes
21:37 VanessaE lrfurn, homedecor
21:37 VanessaE I think there's some stuff in cottages
21:37 cy1 VanessaE: It finished 100% no problems.
21:37 VanessaE cy1: ok good
21:37 cy1 I think you can split up packs or something... not a git expert though.
21:38 cy1 Oh, "git doesn't give you status http://" that's what it is.
21:38 VanessaE ...which is dumb
21:38 VanessaE surely it at least knows how much data it has received, if not how big the files are
21:39 Nocte| Link? :D
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21:41 VanessaE lrfurn, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5407 -- homedecor, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=26061 -- cottages, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5120
21:42 VanessaE I'm sure there are more, those are the ones that come to mind.
21:44 Nocte| Does the game autosave when I quit the game?
21:44 Menche yes
21:44 VanessaE yup
21:44 Menche and periodically while playing
21:45 Menche every 5.3 seconds i believe
21:49 Peacock voxely enough? https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7813455360/h5FAB1A59/
21:49 VanessaE haha
21:50 Peacock after our last building marathon, i made us square hamburgers :D which was easy despite the stovetop being a 2x2 crafting grid
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22:18 dafull97 yay! have alot of new mods on server =D
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22:37 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
22:37 VanessaE hi
22:37 Peacock Grooooooooooooooog!
22:37 Peacock lol
22:37 thefamilygrog66 hey, saw yer map generator done with kaeza's picture mod, Peacock - nice work.
22:38 Peacock actually didn't do much at all, more tweaking the picture itself
22:38 Peacock still missing the 3d dimension - elevation
22:38 thefamilygrog66 ahh, still pretty cool though
22:38 Peacock though i have terrain editors for raising the nodes, once the outline is there it's much easier
22:39 Peacock wait until we build riven on it :P
22:39 thefamilygrog66 Never played riven... :O
22:40 Peacock i never won at riven, but i have played lol
22:40 thefamilygrog66 I wonder how well it would reproduce city maps - Silent Hill, for example.
22:40 thefamilygrog66 brb. Oven smells hot.
22:41 Peacock you'd have to create different palette for each map, but it should work yeah
22:42 VanessaE bbl
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22:56 diemartin http://kinghearts97.deviantart.com/gallery/ <-- this guy is awesome
23:03 diemartin Peacock, imageloader returns the image as a 2D matrix of tables; using different channels for different purposes should be easy
23:04 diemartin the tables have 'r', 'g', and 'b' fields, so you could use for example r and g for node data and b for height
23:09 Peacock simpler still would be to just add a height key to the palette
23:09 Peacock so that n colour = node * 3
23:09 Peacock etc...
23:11 Peacock right now tho im trying to figure why everytime i send a stone-only schematic, i get motherfuckin' trees and dirt too (pardon my french)
23:16 jin_xi make your own stone node using the same texture and use that
23:34 Wuzzy VanessaE I think the gitserver you mentioned before works now. :-)
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23:39 Peacock i switched to sand, gonna see if that works :-)
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23:59 us{0gb I have a node that is taller than a standard node (using node boxes), and the texture on the bottom repeats on the top. How do I specify a second texture for the top, or even better, how do I get one tall image to texture the whole node? I tried setting visual_scale to two, but that property seems to only effect plantlike nodes.

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