IRC log for #minetest, 2013-09-30

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Time	Nick	Message
00:01	* Peacock	starts the funeral parlour music
00:03	Peacock	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmm2k4fRUO4
00:07	UniversalBuilder	fuck
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00:10	Peacock	the bot's out of order for that :P
00:11	Evergreen	Hmm, what can I say that is controversial....
00:11	Evergreen	To break the silence
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00:13	AWTom	well, you said that at 19:11
00:14	AWTom	a pistol was invented in 1911 and 911 is a significant number to Americans for more than one reason
00:14	Peacock	well if you want controversial
00:14	Peacock	Michael Jackson is proof that in America, a black man can become a successful white woman
00:17	UniversalBuilder	qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm
00:18	dafull97	Hey Guys
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00:19	dafull97	Hey
00:19	Evergreen	hey
00:19	dafull97	us_0gb still here?
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00:23	* kaeza	got a new sig
00:24	* dafull97	is looking for us_0gb
00:24	dafull97	Evergreen
00:25	Evergreen	Why does everyone ping me like that?
00:26	dafull97	haha, idk.. i would be like: Evergreen, what i want to say - if it was busy
00:26	dafull97	but i have a Questino for you
00:26	kaeza	Questinos for everyone!
00:27	dafull97	What would you like to see new in the Minetest community, but maybe you dont have time to complete/ect.
00:27	dafull97	other than mods,
00:27	dafull97	maybe a Dedicated Chat Server for minetest?
00:27	dafull97	list it... =D
00:28	dafull97	kaeza, you can too ^^
00:28	dafull97	all that is active can... haha
00:29	kaeza	wat
00:29	dafull97	What would you like to see new in the Minetest community, but maybe you dont have time to complete/ect.
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00:29	kaeza	I read that
00:29	kaeza	no need to repeat
00:30	dafull97	ok.. list what you would like to see improve or an idea of somthing new
00:34	ShadowNinja	dafull97: BTW it is etc (et cetera)
00:34	dafull97	=P
00:34	dafull97	typo, haha
00:37	Evergreen	A question:    Why was cornernote banned?   just curious
00:37	dafull97	ShadowNinja, what would you like to see improved?
00:38	NekoGloop	http://i.imgur.com/VXKtkq6.png ~
00:39	ShadowNinja	Evergreen: He requested it.
00:40	ShadowNinja	dafull97: Rollback.
00:40	Evergreen	I have no idea why people request to be banned
00:40	NekoGloop	"requested" is a nice way of putting it
00:41	NekoGloop	So who likes my sword? :D
00:41	dafull97	NekoGloop, nice...
00:41	NekoGloop	:P
00:41	NekoGloop	I literally just made that in like 3 minutes so meh
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00:44	dafull97	yea, looks simple but yet neat
00:45	NekoGloop	Well a wooden sword isn't exactly gonna look fancy
00:46	modmasta	i have centos6 64bit will any of the downlaodable version run on it (dedicated server)
00:46	NekoGloop	... I have no idea what you just said
00:46	modmasta	linux cent os6 operating system
00:47	harrison	he has a server
00:47	harrison	with Linux
00:47	modmasta	twhat version of mine test would be compatable
00:47	harrison	not mysterious
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00:48	harrison	he was quite clear
00:48	modmasta	are any of the devs on here
00:49	modmasta	anyone no if there is a player limit ?
00:52	ShadowNinja	modmasta: Yes, 15. Although it will lag with more than 8.
00:52	ShadowNinja	modmasta: That limit is configurable of course.
00:53	ShadowNinja	modmasta: Use a package for your distro or compile from git.
00:53	modmasta	its it asycronus ? does it use a thread per socket  or a pool ?
00:54	ShadowNinja	modmasta: Minetest is multi threaded, although mods aren't.
00:55	ShadowNinja	modmasta: The server wasn't really designed for scalability. :-(
00:56	modmasta	that was my curiosity i have not looked at the source yet
00:57	NekoGloop	http://i.imgur.com/SbVT6v2.png Cobble? I think...
00:57	modmasta	its not to hard to make a scalable server have to look at the source i guess see whats up
00:58	dafull97	NekoGloop, kinda not :/ sorry
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01:00	NekoGloop	Oh.
01:00	NekoGloop	Um.
01:01	dafull97	sorry :/
01:01	NekoGloop	http://i.imgur.com/atUdbQ6.png Non-unicode programs are fun!
01:01	dafull97	Lol, WOW
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01:02	NekoGloop	So, uh, yeah, Japanese no work
01:02	NekoGloop	Thankfully I know the interface :P
01:03	prestotron55	[deleted]
01:04	dafull97	prestotron55, fail? =P
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01:04	dafull97	LOL, Reject? =P goodnight
01:04	modmasta	hi nine
01:04	* NekoGloop	pets MinetestBot
01:05	* dafull97	Laughs at NekoGloop and prestotron55
01:05	NekoGloop	that isn't a command
01:05	modmasta	so who writes plugins
01:05	Nineballed	hi
01:06	modmasta	ok lol
01:07	NekoGloop	I write the mod known as GloopTest
01:08	modmasta	is there a mod api or you just got to go by the main source ?
01:11	NekoGloop	Hello, minecrafter.
01:11	NekoGloop	http://i.imgur.com/u0oG1to.png Well...
01:11	NekoGloop	*barfs*
01:12	ShadowNinja	modmasta: There is a Lua API. See dev.minetest.net.
01:13	modmasta	ShadowNinja:  ty
01:25	dafull97	all that are active(besides ShadowNinja) What would you like to see new in minetest, and what would  you like to see improve in minetest *MODS not included*
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01:43	LazyJ	I'd like to see better admin tools, much more stable engine, more options to pare down Minetest to better suit various server/home pc strengths.
01:45	LazyJ	Diagnostic tools that admins and players can use like an icon button to test the network connection, cpu stress, and ram consumption. "Is it my computer or is it the connection?"
01:47	LazyJ	One of the games I had, way back in the Windows95 days, ran a series of tests and then told you which of the game's settings your computer could handle.
01:47	modmasta	would be cool to have new models downloadable from server on client login for custom entities and animations
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01:49	modmasta	a server that could run in a shell with no gui
01:50	ShadowNinja	modmasta: That is done.
01:50	ShadowNinja	modmasta: Everything is downloaded from the server and cached, apart from the code itself.
01:51	modmasta	ok nice
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01:54	Dark_Soul	ok im here bud
01:54	dafull97	/query Dark_Soul
01:55	NekoGloop	http://i.imgur.com/OYYlEkw.png
01:55	NekoGloop	Guess what I made~
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01:56	Dark_Soul	what is that?
01:57	NekoGloop	you're supposed to guess
01:58	ShadowNinja	NekoGloop: Texture pack?
01:58	NekoGloop	yay
01:59	Dark_Soul	hmmmmm thats my gues shadow
02:04	NekoGloop	But what I meant was what was IN the picture :P
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02:14	zat1	A texture pack to scare trypophobics
02:14	dafull97	Het zat1
02:14	dafull97	hay*
02:14	dafull97	hey**
02:14	zat1	hai
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02:25	Kacey	hey guys, just a hunch, but i think my forum account got deleted…
02:26	ShadowNinja	Kacey: Hello. Long time no see. :-)
02:27	ShadowNinja	Kacey: https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=1770
02:28	Kacey	i cant log in to it…
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02:30	ShadowNinja	Kacey: Have a password reset email sent?
02:32	Kacey_	i got it…
02:34	dafull97	PilzAdam you present?
02:37	dafull97	Developers, and server owners... would 5 players on a server with 256mb RAM Be fine?
02:37	* Kacey_	will be back tomorrow hopefully… derpy phone browser
02:39	kaeza	dafull97, my server has 128MB :-)
02:41	kaeza	you should be fine with 256MB, as long as it's a dedicated machine that is
02:41	kaeza	sup Kacey_
02:41	dafull97	it is dedicated yes... how is the proformace and with how many players?
02:42	kaeza	I can't complain
02:42	kaeza	4 or 5 players and runs ok
02:44	dafull97	yea i want to put 6-7 on mine
02:44	dafull97	i have bunch of mods also... how many mods you have?
02:44	ShadowNinja	dafull97: It should work, but you really should have 1GB+.
02:45	ShadowNinja	dafull97: Only a basic game, no mods like homedecor that add a boatload of textures.
02:45	dafull97	yes... would it have bad proformance with 5-7 players?
02:45	kaeza	dafull97, not many heavy ones
02:45	dafull97	i have no heavy cores
02:46	kaeza	anyway, off to bed
02:46	kaeza	night all
02:46	dafull97	night
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03:01	dafull97	night all
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03:30	Derp_Pig	HELLO
03:30	Derp_Pig	:D
03:31	Derp_Pig	...
03:32	Derp_Pig	pk
03:32	Derp_Pig	ok
03:32	Derp_Pig	i get it
03:32	Miner_48er	hi
03:32	Derp_Pig	oh hi
03:33	Derp_Pig	so
03:33	Derp_Pig	Hows it goin?
03:33	Miner_48er	good
03:33	Derp_Pig	good good
03:34	Derp_Pig	Do you play minetest?
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03:34	ShadowNinja	Yes, he does, as do most of us.
03:35	us{0gb	I know I do.
03:35	Derp_Pig	i was just saying that to start a conversation :P
03:35	* us{0gb	doesn't know what the conversation is about
03:36	Miner_48er	yes
03:36	ShadowNinja	About "Do you play Minetest?". Derp_Pig: #minetest is quieter during these hours, it was more active a few hours ago.
03:37	us{0gb	I'm still getting my computer set back up the way I like it. ShadowNinja, your IRC network is at irc.inchra.net?
03:37	ShadowNinja	us{0gb: Yes.
03:38	us{0gb	Thanks! Adding ...
03:45	us{0gb	REALLY!? XChat's alphabetizing of network ignores non-alphanemerics. I hate that "feature" in my file manager too.
03:49	UniversalBuilder	em
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05:20	UniversalBuilder	hmm
05:20	UniversalBuilder	windows or linux
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05:21	us{0gb	UniversalBuilder, who are you asking? If you're asking me, I use GNU/Linux.
05:22	UniversalBuilder	Everyone
05:22	UniversalBuilder	twhich one is beteer for minetest?
05:22	us{0gb	Windows is the worst for everything.
05:22	sfan5	^
05:22	us{0gb	Including Minetest.
05:23	us{0gb	*Including but not limited to Minetest.
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05:23	UniversalBuilder	why?
05:23	cy1	closed source, no peer review, etc
05:23	UniversalBuilder	:s
05:24	us{0gb	Windows is insecure, resource intensive, breaks itself, and strips you of essential freedoms.
05:24	UniversalBuilder	could you explain with more detail, i dont know much about operating systems
05:24	UniversalBuilder	what are the essential fredoms?
05:24	sfan5	insecure -> The NSA can tell M$ to add a backdoor to Windows, they won't say no
05:25	us{0gb	Beaks itself: Windows slowly deteriorates as you use it. The longer you use it, the slower a Windows machine will become.
05:25	us{0gb	Insecure: Also Windows it the worst as far as viruses. Windows just LETS viruses trash the system.
05:25	UniversalBuilder	linux is free right?
05:25	us{0gb	Linux-libre is free.
05:26	us{0gb	Linus is mostly free.
05:26	UniversalBuilder	Wow, sounds to good to be true
05:26	* us{0gb	recommends Trisquel, a GNU/Linux-libre operating system
05:27	cy1	Charging money for an operating system is quite possibly the biggest computer crime on record.
05:27	UniversalBuilder	am i able to switch back to windows?
05:27	us{0gb	Free operating systems aren't about cost, but about freedom. The name is VERY misleading.
05:27	us{0gb	If you have a Windows install CD, yes.
05:28	cy1	Generally yes UniversalBuilder. One can install both Linux and Windows, though Windows erases any Linux it finds, so install Linux second.
05:28	UniversalBuilder	i dont know much about how computer works
05:28	UniversalBuilder	So, im not gonna switch because im afraid im going to do something wrong lol
05:29	UniversalBuilder	But thanks for the information, i appreciate it
05:29	cy1	http://linuxmint.com/ is good for starting out, I've heard.
05:30	UniversalBuilder	I will have to learn mor about computer software before ingaging in this activity
05:30	UniversalBuilder	my parents would be mad if i did something wrong
05:31	cy1	us{0gb: There is no functional difference between a virus and copy protection software. That's really why MS gets so many viruses I think. They just use the existing framework, built into it secretly for the use of various corporations.
05:32	us{0gb	It's not just copy protection software, is it? Viruses are like any software. If it has the permissions, it can do it, and Windows grants all the permissions.
05:32	cy1	UniversalBuilder: Yes, take your time. Just read about it whenever you like. It's not a huge issue, and going slow always works out better when it comes to an OS
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05:32	UniversalBuilder	Thanks man
05:34	cy1	us{0gb: Later versions of Windows 2000/NT+ have pretty good access control systems, though most people just use root because it's easier. :p What's special about MS is for instance the secret files which cannot be viewed by normal filesystem access, even if you enable viewing hidden files.
05:34	us{0gb	I see. I was unaware of those.
05:34	us{0gb	That's pretty lame.
05:34	cy1	That lets corporations save a timestamp on your computer so they can magically deny you the ability to use their program if you don't pay up after the trial period. It also is a great place to hide viruses!
05:35	us{0gb	I wondered where data for that type of thing went.
05:35	cy1	Well, that or the Registry.
05:35	us{0gb	Drats. The power flickered and it corupted my server's Minetest world.
05:36	us{0gb	The registry is an awful piece of junk, even in a clean environment.
05:36	cy1	The Windows Registry is an interesting security by obscurity, in that it's deliberately complicated so that users won't be able to find the 7 scattered "timestamp" keys, but not secret or hidden particularly.
05:36	VanessaE	hi all
05:36	cy1	The key in that case becomes a sort of password, a route through the maze so to speak.
05:36	us{0gb	Hello!
05:37	cy1	I don't know any other tricks, sorry.
05:37	us{0gb	That makes sense, and is so convoluted ...
05:37	UniversalBuilder	is the nsa watching people in the linux operationg system or its only for windows?
05:37	* sfan5	is now away again
05:37	us{0gb	Okay, quick question. I need to reverse grep. How do I find the one file that is MISSING a particular line?
05:38	sfan5	us{0gb: one sec
05:38	cy1	grep -v
05:38	us{0gb	Awesome. Thanks!
05:38	sfan5	us{0gb: https://gist.github.com/sfan5/6120106
05:38	us{0gb	The NSA has no backdoor to GNU/Linux, as the code is exposed and we'd remove the back door.
05:38	sfan5	(should be obvious how it works
05:38	cy1	UniversalBuilder: If the NSA installed watching software in Linux, many people would start yelling about it very loudly, and that source for Linux would either be fixed, or stop being used.
05:38	sfan5	>stop being used
05:39	sfan5	nope, no that
05:39	* sfan5	is now really away
05:39	cy1	Yeah don't download your rpms from notaspy.gov
05:39	us{0gb	sfan5, yes, I was looking for PlayerArgsEnd. Thanks!
05:39	UniversalBuilder	great
05:40	cy1	VanessaE: Your server is very beautiful I must say.
05:40	VanessaE	thanks :)
05:40	cy1	Technic is as much of a pain as ever ofc.
05:41	cy1	I still wonder how you make an alloy furnace to make the tools needed to power an alloy furnace. I just use the one at spawn but :p
05:41	VanessaE	there is a coal-powered alloy furnace also I think
05:41	cy1	That would make sense.
05:42	VanessaE	afaik there's one really low-end one that doesn't use special materials
05:42	VanessaE	(but which is very slow)
05:42	cy1	hm...
05:43	us{0gb	sfan5, I ran that command from the players directory, and the defective player is still there.
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05:44	VanessaE	at least now (in dev builds I guess), it actually tells you whose player file got b0rk3d.
05:44	hoodedice	PilzAdam
05:44	hoodedice	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
05:44	VanessaE	he's not usually on at this time of night, hoodedice
05:44	hoodedice	Is this the latest build?
05:44	hoodedice	(night)
05:45	us{0gb	VanessaE, awesome!
05:45	hoodedice	Any idea on hat build, VanessaE ?
05:45	hoodedice	*that
05:45	hoodedice	Last update is 29/8
05:45	VanessaE	hoodedice: the commit ID doesn't match the current git commit
05:46	hoodedice	(So it's not the latest, cool)
05:46	hoodedice	Thanks
05:46	VanessaE	72b9b0f vs 2134316
05:46	VanessaE	no clue if it's just latest + some patches by him or not
05:46	VanessaE	try it and see?
05:47	us{0gb	Grep doesn't seem to be the right tool for this. "grep -iL PlayerArgsEnd" is taking ages ....
05:47	hoodedice	Wow, last commit to minetest_game was 2 months ago?
05:49	hoodedice	(https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107963#p107963) Should have read that earlier
05:49	us{0gb	I think what is slowing Minetest down is all these player files that are loaded at startup and kept in memory. Why are they not loaded when the player joins and dumped when the player logs out?
05:50	hoodedice	What do these 'player files' do anyway?
05:50	us{0gb	They store player locations, inventory, health, et cetera.
05:50	VanessaE	hoodedice: minetest_game doesn't change much, most of the focus is on the engine.
05:50	us{0gb	Data that isn't needed for players that are off line.
05:51	hoodedice	dumped = deleted?
05:51	us{0gb	Dumped as in taken out of RAM. Leave the copy on disk.
05:51	hoodedice	Ain't that obvious?
05:52	hoodedice	as in, why it is dumped
05:52	VanessaE	us{0gb: even with the thousands of accounts my servers have, the player files only add up to 5MB
05:52	hoodedice	Wow
05:52	us{0gb	Okay, deleted I thought meant from non-volatile memory. From volatile memory isn't much of a deletion.
05:53	hoodedice	Can't see lag in that. Something else is hogging the loading time
05:53	VanessaE	loading time is taken up mostly by registering nodes/items and rendering textures I guess
05:53	us{0gb	VanessaE, I just removed all the player files and my server is now fast again.
05:53	VanessaE	it takes me ~20 seconds to join my own server, for example, and it's on the same box as the client.
05:53	kahrl	VanessaE: still, player management could be optimized
05:53	kahrl	look at Environment::getPlayer
05:54	kahrl	it does a linear search on all players (even logged out ones) to find the one corresponding to a peer_id
05:54	VanessaE	(well closer to 25 seconds)
05:54	us{0gb	I'm talking about AFTER joining. Way too much lag.
05:54	VanessaE	wait, what?
05:54	hoodedice	peer_id?
05:54	VanessaE	lag as in server/network latency?
05:55	us{0gb	I removed the player files and it removed the killer lag on the server. Not really network latency but server latency.
05:55	hoodedice	How does that lag the game?
05:55	VanessaE	one thing I've noticed my servers doing is saving the maps.  a LOT.
05:55	VanessaE	like every couple of seconds, huge CPU and disk spike, even when no one is on
05:55	us{0gb	All the players are stored in RAM even when NOT logged in.
05:55	us{0gb	I noticed this months ago, but didn't connect it to lag.
05:56	hoodedice	" huge CPU and disk spike"
05:56	hoodedice	(Windows)
05:56	VanessaE	linux.
05:56	VanessaE	windows, indeed.  byte your tongue
05:57	VanessaE	I may not use the most free-as-in-libre distro out there (Debian), but it sure as hell ain't windows :P
05:57	us{0gb	And I think you for that. You make the Internet a beter place by not using the world's worst operating system.
05:57	hoodedice	0100010001101111011011100110010100101110
05:58	us{0gb	Even non-free GNU/Linux is pretty good.
05:58	us{0gb	OS X is pretty good too, though has at least one major weakness.
05:58	hoodedice	(I hate programs that force a 30 day pro trial)
05:58	VanessaE	us{0gb: it's made by apple? ;)
05:58	hoodedice	"OS X is pretty good too"
05:59	us{0gb	VanessaE, it grants an administrator account by default.
05:59	VanessaE	oh yes.
06:00	hoodedice	https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5067013376/h5B5A4F32/
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06:32	e1z0	is it possible to parse all lua files with php and make a list with items (including pictures), o i can put in the server, or it's better to use directly output from server if its possible ?
06:34	VanessaE	not really, no
06:34	VanessaE	not unless you write a parser that understands the minetest modding API
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06:34	VanessaE	lots of mods use loops or other algorithmic methods to generate nodes/items
06:34	hoodedice	Why would you want to do that?
06:34	us{0gb	It would be possible, but it would wequire reimplementing a lot of Lua in PHP.
06:34	VanessaE	so a simple grep won't work
06:34	us{0gb	*require
06:35	e1z0	i need it for publishing item's in the web page with pictures
06:35	e1z0	it would be great for users
06:35	* VanessaE	takes e1z0's apostrophe away
06:36	e1z0	i mean block items
06:36	e1z0	lol
06:36	VanessaE	seriously though, the only real way to do it is to modify minetest to dump item images and names
06:36	VanessaE	cornernote did something like that once
06:36	hoodedice	I hate windows.
06:37	hoodedice	And Windows movie maker
06:37	hoodedice	Because they won't fetch codec for mp4
06:37	hoodedice	-.-
06:37	e1z0	hoodedice, lol
06:37	e1z0	use mac
06:37	hoodedice	"mac"
06:37	hoodedice	Right...
06:38	hoodedice	I use Xubuntu mainly, but this is my brother's PC, so... yeah.
06:38	hoodedice	(Reminds me, Xubuntu does resemble the mac)
06:39	hoodedice	Is there an IRC client that tells you when someone is typing?
06:40	e1z0	for mac ?
06:40	e1z0	or for lunix ?
06:40	hoodedice	For anything
06:40	VanessaE	impossible.
06:40	VanessaE	IRC doesn't support that sort of protocol
06:40	hoodedice	(Guessed as much)
06:40	hoodedice	Nifty feature though
06:41	e1z0	i don't understand the question correctly
06:41	e1z0	what do you need that irc client to tell you
06:41	hoodedice	Ever used Hangouts or WhatsApp?
06:43	VanessaE	not enough for the former to be useful and not at all for the latter
06:43	hoodedice	Like when the client tells you the other person is typing?
06:43	hoodedice	Why so, Van?
06:43	hoodedice	Damn the Tab
06:43	e1z0	in channel ?
06:43	VanessaE	not used them enough/at all I mean.
06:43	e1z0	oh typing, no!
06:44	e1z0	it's just IRC
06:44	e1z0	it shows text, then user press enter
06:44	e1z0	lol
06:44	hoodedice	=.=
06:44	hoodedice	I know that much
06:44	hoodedice	But I was thinking if it were possible
06:45	VanessaE	not possible over IRC without violating the usual protocol
06:45	VanessaE	as IRC clients don't send *anything* until you press enter
06:45	VanessaE	(other than whatever keep-alive/response signals are needed by the server)
06:46	e1z0	yeah, indeed
06:46	hoodedice	hmm
06:47	hoodedice	For some reason, minetest is faster on my C2D than on my brother's i3
06:47	hoodedice	15 ps vs 50-60
06:50	hoodedice	Did they change the walk_on_sand sound in the latest dev?
06:50	hoodedice	It sucks.
06:51	us{0gb	The new grass sound sucks too.
06:51	VanessaE	I play with sound off anyway
06:53	us{0gb	People complained about the sounds, and they went from good to bad. I don't really care myself, but when it comes up, I will state my opinion.
06:54	hoodedice	Do mobs move like players?
06:54	VanessaE	some do
06:54	us{0gb	I think it depends on who built them.
06:54	hoodedice	As in, do they move like the computer is pressing some buttons?
06:54	us{0gb	Probably not.
06:59	e1z0	is there any irc bot for controling the minetest ?
07:00	VanessaE	e1z0: yes
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07:00	e1z0	:O
07:00	VanessaE	shadowninja's IRC mod
07:01	VanessaE	well, kaeza's/shadow's ... https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3905  ... along with shadow's irc_commands mod... https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5275
07:02	us{0gb	How am I suposed to compete with these images? The default Minetest images are too good for me, I can't match their quality.
07:02	e1z0	thanks
07:03	VanessaE	us{0gb: eh?
07:03	us{0gb	I'm trying to rebuild the game from scratch. My images are nowhere near as good as those in minetest_game.
07:03	VanessaE	give it time.
07:03	VanessaE	use some of HDX if you want, imho they're good
07:03	us{0gb	I don't have time though.
07:05	hoodedice	'I'm trying to rebuild the game from scratch."
07:05	us{0gb	Thank you very much for your offer. I could take your lovely images, but that sort of defeats the purpose. I don't know how to explain what that purpose is though.
07:05	* hoodedice	applauds
07:05	us{0gb	Not the engine though, to be clear.
07:05	us{0gb	Also, I'm cheating and using the default sounds, as I have no idea how to deal with those.
07:06	us{0gb	The code and images are mine though.
07:06	VanessaE	bbl
07:06	us{0gb	Bye!
07:06	VanessaE	sleep, maybe.  I hope.
07:07	hoodedice	Go out, and record sounds
07:07	hoodedice	Drink some coffe, it'll help
07:07	hoodedice	*coffee
07:07	us{0gb	Where do people even get sounds? THey can't be making them out of nothing the way we can make images out of nothing.
07:08	us{0gb	Ah, recording. THat would require recording equipment.
07:08	us{0gb	Yeah, I better stay away from the sounds for now.
07:08	hoodedice	That would require any ordinary phone
07:08	hoodedice	Or Android phone
07:09	us{0gb	A phone ... I don't know about you, but my phone's cord isn't long enough to take to where outdoorsy sounds would be.
07:09	hoodedice	phone cord?
07:09	hoodedice	Landline?
07:09	hoodedice	lol
07:10	us{0gb	You said ordinary phone, which would be a land line, yes.
07:10	hoodedice	=.=
07:10	us{0gb	Besides, I don't have a cell.
07:10	hoodedice	ooooh
07:10	hoodedice	S.A.D
07:11	us{0gb	Happy for me. I don't need to be tethered by a phone wherever I go.
07:11	hoodedice	I'm not tethered ! I'm roaming !
07:11	us{0gb	I understand most people need that tether. But it's a bad thing for me.
07:12	us{0gb	You are tethered to people, not places.
07:12	hoodedice	For me, I don't need/have many social outlets
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07:12	us{0gb	People can reach you anywhere with that phone. When I go out, I can't be bothered by people.
07:12	hoodedice	I'm not on facebook, and people close to me don't use WhatsApp much
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07:13	hoodedice	They can't. I'm limited to Wifi. Like I said, I'm raming
07:13	* Calinou	doesn't have a phone
07:13	hoodedice	*roaming
07:13	hoodedice	(Another one!)
07:13	us{0gb	That may be. But in any case, a cell phone would be like an iron shackle for me.
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07:13	hoodedice	The world needs more people like you !
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07:14	hoodedice	MOOOOOOAAAARRRR !!!!!!!!!1one
07:14	us{0gb	Maybe, but not for that reason.
07:14	kahrl	us{0gb: you can make 8-bit style sounds with sfxr
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07:15	us{0gb	That would be worth trying. Thanks!
07:15	hoodedice	(And again, kahrl saves the day)
07:15	us{0gb	It would fit the 16^2 pixil images.
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07:23	hoodedice	finally
07:23	jrabbit	sorry
07:23	hoodedice	jrabbit, don't flood
07:23	hoodedice	cool.
07:23	jrabbit	was carrying laptop downstairs you were unfortunate enmough to be the target :P
07:28	us{0gb	I;m not sure how well this will work for Minetest, but the sounds this application makes would be perfect for another project I've been wanting to work on for ages.
07:30	Calinou	which application?
07:30	us{0gb	Calinou, sfxr.
07:31	us{0gb	http://www.drpetter.se/project_sfxr.html
07:36	hoodedice	*pew pew*
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07:42	us{0gb	And all of them say the same thing.
07:42	us{0gb	Except one of them.
07:42	us{0gb	So you have to read them all to see which one is different, as it has important instructions.
07:46	arsdragonfly	Sounds like a badly-designed plot of a game
07:47	us{0gb	I saw a game where the plot is that you are the guy at the border checking peoples' paperwork and clearing them for entry into the country. How incredibly boring!
07:48	us{0gb	Who would possibly want to play that?
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08:00	e1z0	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3905
08:00	e1z0	this does not work
08:00	e1z0	minetest/server/bin/../mods/irc/init.lua:23: module 'irc' not found:
08:02	e1z0	hmm i think i need https://github.com/ShadowNinja/LuaIRC
08:10	hoodedice	us{0gb: Which game is that?
08:14	e1z0	can't get it to work
08:15	e1z0	module 'socket' not found:
08:15	e1z0	but i installed sockets
08:16	e1z0	0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 gaming gaming   29 Sep 30 11:12 socket.lua -> /usr/share/lua/5.1/socket.lua
08:16	e1z0	0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 gaming gaming   34 Sep 30 11:14 socket.so -> /usr/lib/liblua5.1-socket.so.2.0.0
08:16	e1z0	and everything is linked as well
08:20	us{0gb	hoodedice, I think it's called Papers, Please.
08:35	e1z0	i've got http://pastebin.com/ca3wBSWu this, after trying to load https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc
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08:36	e1z0	VanessaE, maybe you have some sugguestions about this ?
08:36	e1z0	:-)
08:41	e1z0	ah i think i'm found the solution
08:42	cy1	someone needs to reeeeally explain switching stations in technic. Also converting from LV to MV since there aren't any MV generators besides solar.
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08:47	* cy1	says going to check youtubez
08:49	e1z0	hmm but the bot does not come to irc
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08:51	cy1	aw, nothing on switching stations from RBA...
08:52	JamesTait	Good morning all; happy Nautilus Commissioning Day! :-D
08:56	e1z0	nautilus pompilus
08:56	e1z0	:|
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09:15	JamesTait	The first nuclear sub, apparently.
09:16	JamesTait	I hear the name Nautilus, I instantly think of the file browser.
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09:29	* arsdragonfly	is considering making a manual mod
09:30	arsdragonfly	\/man blah blah blah
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09:47	arsdragonfly	z.B. /man technic:switching station
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09:49	arsdragonfly	Server -!- ( Info about it)
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10:21	VanessaE	hi all
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10:24	JamesTait	Hi VanessaE! :)
10:24	VanessaE	good morning
10:25	VanessaE	what, no special day-of-the-year message? ;)
10:25	JamesTait	You must have missed it. ;)  I dubbed it Nautilus Commissioning Day.
10:26	VanessaE	heh
10:26	JamesTait	59 years since the commissioning of the USS Nautilus.
10:30	VanessaE	I have to wonder, does the USS Nautilus compare at all to The Nautilus? :)
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10:30	VanessaE	(never read 20000 Leagues)
10:32	JamesTait	Me neither. :(
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10:39	MinetestBot	john_minetest: Ramona Falls - 'I Say Fever' - YouTube
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10:41	hoodedice	Anyone?
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10:58	Hunterz	hello
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11:13	hoodedice	DanDucombe
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11:15	MinetestBot	prestotron55!
11:15	VanessaE	school....
11:15	VanessaE	*shudder*
11:16	VanessaE	am I ever glad I don't have to wander into one of those places anymore :)
11:16	prestotron55	[deleted]
11:17	ruskie	got no education from school...
11:17	ruskie	a data dump would solve the same issue that "school" does
11:17	prestotron55	[deleted]
11:17	ruskie	gimme an SD card with all the stuff to plug into my brain directly and that would be that
11:18	VanessaE	I last set foot in a school over 20 years ago :)
11:18	prestotron55	[deleted]
11:18	LazyJ	I walked through a highschool last year... looked more like a prison. Armed security guards, doors looked during school hours, narrow windows, class rooms along hallways that looked like prison cell halls.
11:18	ruskie	I finished highschool some 10 years ago... messed around at college for a few years then went to work as a sysadmin
11:18	VanessaE	LazyJ: yeah, I've heard it's gotten bad :-/
11:19	ruskie	nope didn't finish college... just more of the same crap from highschool in my case
11:19	prestotron55	[deleted]
11:19	prestotron55	[deleted]
11:19	hoodedice	Education is awesome !
11:19	hoodedice	So is school ^.^
11:20	hoodedice	(But then again, I'm Indian)
11:20	ruskie	I'm the only sysadmin at this company and have been for the last 6 years or so.... that was...
11:20	LazyJ	This particular school failed the national education standards so the students (or their parents) where offered some other homeschool/private school options.
11:20	prestotron55	[deleted]
11:20	proller	prestotron55, your friends more stupid than you ?
11:20	prestotron55	[deleted]
11:21	ruskie	nothing that I've had brain dumped in school really helped me at work so far
11:21	hoodedice	prestotron55: Rush off.
11:21	prestotron55	[deleted]
11:21	ruskie	it's was all the stuff I learned myself that made this possible
11:21	hoodedice	I hate devs who write code that is unformatted
11:21	hoodedice	For example the zombie waves mod
11:21	hoodedice	Either notepad lost the formatting
11:22	hoodedice	Or that guy wrote a whole mod in two lines
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11:22	VanessaE	hoodedice: probably unix vs. dos/win line endings.
11:22	VanessaE	notepad doesn't like unix end-of-line chars
11:22	ruskie	try using wordpad or even better notepad++
11:23	hoodedice	nnotepad++. Ah yes, it's here,on my bro's PC
11:23	hoodedice	I don't use it personally
11:24	hoodedice	Ah yes, it was what VanessaE said. Perfect formatting now thanks
11:25	Hunterz	have minetest server something like authorization? plugin or some other type ?
11:26	VanessaE	Hunterz: explain?\
11:26	Hunterz	like nickserv
11:26	VanessaE	doesn't make sense
11:26	VanessaE	what should it do in the context of a minetest server?
11:27	Hunterz	If someone connect as my nick
11:27	Hunterz	i would like authorize
11:27	VanessaE	authorize to do whar?
11:27	VanessaE	what*
11:28	Hunterz	like in minecraft online mode
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11:28	VanessaE	accounts on minetest servers are password-protected if the server is set to require it, and it doesn't matter who signs on with a given name - if they know your password, they are you.  passwords are hashed and stored in the server's password database
11:28	hoodedice	They have your login details hashed
11:28	hoodedice	wow. ninja'd
11:28	VanessaE	HIYAH!
11:28	VanessaE	:)
11:29	Hunterz	then is this feature built in right?
11:29	hoodedice	VanessaE: Is mobs:damage mobs:drops etc part of the core API or Smobs API?
11:29	VanessaE	also, what account details you give to one server are not known to any other server
11:29	VanessaE	yes, this is part of minetest.
11:29	Hunterz	ok thanks
11:29	hoodedice	Ya, inbuilt
11:29	VanessaE	hoodedice: not sure
11:30	hoodedice	ok. It's the first time I'm seeing a mob code anyway. Kinda neat though
11:30	VanessaE	probably specific to simple mobs
11:30	Hunterz	I would like star first public server in the czech republic :)
11:30	Hunterz	start
11:30	hoodedice	Cool.
11:30	hoodedice	Go ahead.
11:30	VanessaE	Hunterz: go right ahead and do so.  It's free and not difficult to set up.
11:30	Hunterz	now I have only minecraft/bukkit/mcpc+ servers
11:31	hoodedice	My bro played Minecraft yesterday.
11:32	hoodedice	I'm not disappointed. It has improved since I last played 0.somthing
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11:33	hoodedice	(Though Minetest is still better for a variety of reasons)
11:34	Hunterz	is there any comparison between minetest and minecraft features?
11:34	VanessaE	hoodedice: of course it's better - Minecraft doesn't have any of my mods ;)
11:34	hoodedice	XD
11:35	VanessaE	Hunterz: never seen a clearly laid-out comparison, no, but the two are generally similar.  How they differ depends on the game content and mods you're using with Minetest vs. what Minecraft has
11:35	hoodedice	They differ.
11:35	hoodedice	In democracy
11:35	hoodedice	In freedom.
11:36	VanessaE	I think he means technical aspects.
11:36	hoodedice	In. AWESOMENESS.
11:36	hoodedice	oh.
11:36	VanessaE	not philosophy
11:36	Hunterz	something than minetest is now similar like minecraft 1.1 ...
11:37	VanessaE	uh, no.
11:37	Hunterz	i know oss software, use linux many years
11:37	VanessaE	try my server some time (vanessae.mine.bz:30000) and you'll see :)
11:38	VanessaE	er 30001
11:38	VanessaE	(30000 is creative, 30001 is survival)
11:38	Hunterz	later, now I cannot, Im ant work :)
11:38	VanessaE	ok
11:38	hoodedice	I'm so evil: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112669#p112669
11:38	Hunterz	at work
11:38	VanessaE	oh jeez
11:39	VanessaE	(then again, he's made some....dumb statements in the past)
11:39	Hunterz	minetest have mods? like industrial craft ?
11:40	hoodedice	Yes?
11:40	hoodedice	https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?id=11
11:40	VanessaE	minetest has an extensive modding API
11:40	Hunterz	nice
11:40	VanessaE	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
11:44	hoodedice	VanessaE: FAQ : Any way to change a worldname?
11:45	VanessaE	rename the folder that contains it
11:45	hoodedice	cool.
11:45	hoodedice	thanks
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12:01	dafull97	Hello all
12:04	VanessaE	hi
12:05	dafull97	VanessaE, your here!
12:05	dafull97	LOL
12:06	VanessaE	my here what?
12:07	dafull97	nothing, LOL... what do you do for a job any way?
12:08	VanessaE	I'm retired.
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12:19	Hunterz	have minetest server something like permission system known on bukkit servers?
12:20	VanessaE	which does what?
12:20	VanessaE	you mean like privileges?
12:21	Hunterz	yes
12:21	VanessaE	all servers have that
12:21	VanessaE	fly, fast, interact, shout, and others.
12:21	VanessaE	any mod can add more
12:23	Hunterz	is there something like log block (who placed/destroyed block)?
12:23	dafull97	like a LandClaim?
12:23	VanessaE	all servers have logging facilities.
12:24	VanessaE	and protection mods exist too
12:24	Hunterz	when I will setup public server, need some antigrief features
12:24	VanessaE	(landclaim, areas, node_ownership, others)
12:24	dafull97	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=112244#p112244
12:24	Hunterz	thanks
12:24	dafull97	^^ there is a GOOD Land claim mod
12:25	Hunterz	all are mods, no plugins like bukkit right?
12:25	VanessaE	in Minetest, a mod is a plugin
12:25	Hunterz	ok
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12:31	VanessaE	hi
12:37	dafull97	VanessaE, im not sure if i asked... if you could, what would you make better in minetest? and what would you like to be a new... like a Idea(MODS DONT COOUNT)
12:37	dafull97	Count*
12:37	VanessaE	dafull97: Minetest is composed entirely of mods.
12:37	VanessaE	the game content I mean
12:38	dafull97	well im talking about the stuffd such as a lighter server run, better Chat other than the IRC...
12:38	dafull97	and more
12:38	VanessaE	nearly all of that is strictly modding territory
12:39	VanessaE	now if I had my way, development on the engine would focus entirely on fixing bugs and making general performance improvements
12:39	VanessaE	(with new features to come later on)
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12:42	arsdragonfly	double doors?
12:43	arsdragonfly	are you talking about minecraft?
12:44	LazyJ	How about a function that predicts/estimates the lag your particular connection is experiencing then buffers the difference into a temp file to smooth out the lag.
12:44	dafull97	VanessaE, why im wanting to make a program/server that will be "along-side" minetest
12:44	arsdragonfly	There are also useful bugs? sounds cool
12:44	dafull97	yea, a lag meter, that would be good
12:46	e1z0	how is it possible to import schematics to minetest world ?
12:46	arsdragonfly	I'm planning to dig a 500+-meter-deep mineshaft
12:47	arsdragonfly	it's taking an awfully long time to go up/down already :P
12:47	dafull97	im about to make a minetest Lag tester
12:47	dafull97	simple and i will release in hte forums
12:48	dafull97	leave it so they can see code... do they wont have suspicions
12:48	e1z0	yeah
12:48	e1z0	i'm using worldedit
12:49	e1z0	:O
12:49	e1z0	but where to get schematics, like buildings or other objects ?
12:49	e1z0	maybe there is some section for that in the forum ?
12:55	* dafull97	has a Question For everyone,
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12:59	dafull97	Would you guys like a Simple command line/Terminal Lag Tester?
12:59	Hunterz	something like tps
13:00	Hunterz	or profiler wil be very useful, when looked to source of lag
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13:05	e1z0	http://www.deviantart.com/art/make-buildworld-not-war-freebsd-277380712
13:06	e1z0	hehe
13:06	e1z0	good one
13:08	e1z0	makeworld is for freebsd source tree building
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13:10	dafull97	i will create a mod maybe... might take me a while that will have a chat command, /ping and show all players and ping =D
13:10	dafull97	i havent started with lua, will later today
13:10	dafull97	LOL
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13:11	e1z0	i need schematics to import
13:11	e1z0	:|
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13:14	e1z0	:O
13:14	e1z0	where ?
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13:18	e1z0	thanks
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14:10	Krock	Is there a mod to collect automatically dropped items?
14:11	arsdragonfly	item_drop
14:12	Krock	how? where? what? Sorry..I'm newbie
14:18	sfan5	hi everyone
14:20	Krock	hi
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14:55	sfan5	hoddamnit
14:55	sfan5	s/h/g/
14:55	VanessaE	?
14:56	sfan5	I had a fucking working .htaccess then I accitently deleted the contents and now none of the solution I used previously works
14:56	sfan5	accidentaly*
14:56	sfan5	accidentally*
14:56	FreeFull	Woops
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15:02	Dan_D	Help? 16:01:01: ERROR[main]: Error loading mod "castle": LuaError: Invalid crafting recipe (output="castle:arrowslit_stonewall 6")
15:02	Dan_D	I have registered the node...
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15:03	Dan_D	VanessaE, help? 15:58:36: ERROR[main]: Server: Failed to load and run /home/daniel/.minetest/mods/castle/init.lua
15:03	Dan_D	15:58:36: ERROR[main]: ModError: Failed to load and run /home/daniel/.minetest/mods/castle/init.lua
15:03	Dan_D	16:01:01: ERROR[main]: Error loading mod "castle": LuaError: Invalid crafting recipe (output="castle:arrowslit_stonewall 6")
15:03	Dan_D	16:01:01: ERROR[main]: stack traceback:
15:03	Dan_D	16:01:01: ERROR[main]: [C]: in function 'register_craft'
15:03	Dan_D	16:01:01: ERROR[main]: /home/daniel/.minetest/mods/castle/arrowslit.lua:104: in main chunk
15:03	Dan_D	16:01:01: ERROR[main]: [C]: in function 'dofile'
15:03	Dan_D	16:01:01: ERROR[main]: /home/daniel/.minetest/mods/castle/init.lua:2: in main chunk
15:03	Dan_D	16:01:01: ERROR[main]: Server: Failed to load and run /home/daniel/.minetest/mods/castle/init.lua
15:03	Dan_D	16:01:01: ERROR[main]: ModError: Failed to load and run /home/daniel/.minetest/mods/castle/init.lua
15:03	* VanessaE	prods ShadowBot and MinetestBot
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15:04	Dan_D	Why prod them VanessaE?
15:04	VanessaE	pastebin the offending recipe
15:04	Dan_D	Ok
15:04	VanessaE	Dan_D: because one of them should have booted you out for flooding :P
15:05	Dan_D	http://pastebin.com/Km116AUf
15:05	Dan_D	VanessaE, I can't have been booted because that was all one post
15:05	VanessaE	well
15:05	VanessaE	first of all, don't do ""..varname
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15:05	VanessaE	just put the variable name.
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15:05	sfan5	VanessaE: MinetestBot does not kick people for flooding
15:05	VanessaE	secondly, you forgot to wrap the recipe in { }
15:05	Dan_D	Oh?
15:05	Dan_D	Ok
15:05	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
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15:06	VanessaE	recipe = { { varname, "", varname }, { varname, "", varname }, { varname, "", varname }, }
15:06	Dan_D	Ok
15:06	VanessaE	(but spread across multiple lines
15:06	VanessaE	)
15:07	Dan_D	Thanks
15:07	Dan_D	That worked
15:08	VanessaE	meanwhile, currency is getting HDX support.
15:08	VanessaE	wanna see the minegeld? :)
15:08	Dan_D	Sure :)
15:08	VanessaE	http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/minegeld.png
15:09	Dan_D	Oooh, pretty!
15:10	Dan_D	Looks awesome
15:10	VanessaE	thanks :)
15:10	VanessaE	I forget, that's your mod isn't it?
15:11	Dan_D	Yes
15:11	VanessaE	thought so
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15:12	VanessaE	also, you should see how your TNT looks now :D
15:13	Dan_D	Can you show me the pic?
15:13	VanessaE	sure
15:13	VanessaE	lemme take a screenshot
15:15	Jordach	VanessaE, BAD
15:15	Jordach	the earth should be a cube
15:15	VanessaE	:P
15:16	Jordach	i just so happen to have a 16px earth cube
15:17	VanessaE	dan:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2009302013%20-%2011:20:42%20AM.png
15:17	Jordach	lol, black dirt texture
15:17	VanessaE	Jordach: too small, it would need to be ~60px to fit the image.  besides, the earth image is supposed to be an official "seal", so a cube wouldn't make much sense.
15:17	PilzAdam	<VanessaE> also, you should see how your TNT looks now :D – Dan_D has a TNT mod too?
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15:18	Dan_D	Yes, based on yours PilzAdam
15:18	VanessaE	PilzAdam: in camo_modpack there is one, ^^^ that is what HDX makes it look like
15:18	Jordach	VanessaE, is that KDE
15:18	dafull97	Hey all!!
15:18	VanessaE	oh good, so yours PilzAdam will probably also be affected
15:18	Dan_D	Hi
15:18	VanessaE	Jordach: xfce.
15:18	Jordach	i've seen a KDE screenshot like trhat
15:18	Jordach	that*
15:18	Dan_D	They use the same texture I THINK
15:18	PilzAdam	Jordach, probably because KDE is so super-configureable that it can look like whatever you want
15:19	Jordach	then why does kubuntu look like Window 7
15:19	VanessaE	Jordach: actually that's the Keramik theme for GTK/XFCE, recolored to purple.
15:19	Jordach	ah
15:19	PilzAdam	Jordach, my Kubuntu doesnt look like windows at all
15:19	Pelayo_	kubuntu looks like kde only
15:20	VanessaE	btw, set off about 10 TNTs at once.  the client will crash because of all the entities initially thrown around :)
15:20	VanessaE	at least in single player
15:20	PilzAdam	Kubuntu doesnt have a look, it is whatever you want
15:20	Jordach	PilzAdam, screenshot or gtfo
15:20	PilzAdam	not much to see on a screenshot
15:20	Pelayo_	and kde copied lots of design concepts from windows, but that was more than 10 years ago and it has evolved separately
15:20	PilzAdam	youll only see the Minetest logo on skyblue background at 1080p
15:21	PilzAdam	everything is hidden ;-)
15:21	Jordach	KDE is a poor man's windows
15:21	Pelayo_	I miss my kde 2.0
15:21	Pelayo_	it was faster than anything
15:21	Jordach	>KDE
15:21	Jordach	>Fast?
15:21	Pelayo_	kde 2.0
15:21	Jordach	lol
15:22	Pelayo_	it was way faster than gnome back then, even in really shitty hardware
15:22	PilzAdam	if you have a bad PC then of course KDE wont run / will be slow
15:22	Pelayo_	in fact back then gnome was the resource hog
15:25	Jordach	still is now!
15:25	Pelayo_	nah, gtk 2.0 based desktops are the best today in terms of memory usage
15:26	Pelayo_	talking about full desktops, not toys like blackbox/fluxbox, etc
15:27	Pelayo_	http://l3net.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/cmp-all3.png
15:27	PilzAdam	can you give us some context about that chart?
15:28	Pelayo_	megs of ram used for having the desktop loaded and nothing else, I think
15:28	VanessaE	wow
15:28	dafull97	im gonna start making Side programs for minetest
15:28	VanessaE	I remember my afterstep days
15:28	dafull97	any ideas?
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15:36	Evergreen	Quick question:   How do you give a specific player on a server creative mode?
15:36	dafull97	i think the whole server has to be set to creative mode?
15:37	dafull97	Question, who runs the landrush server?
15:37	Evergreen	Brandonreese, I think
15:38	BrandonReese	ah hoy
15:38	dafull97	oh... have you seen how their inventory looks?
15:38	dafull97	BrandonReese, how do you manke you inventory look?
15:38	dafull97	lit that*
15:38	dafull97	like that***
15:38	BrandonReese	it's the technic mod unified inventory
15:38	dafull97	Thx so much!
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15:46	VanessaE	unified inventory is separate from technic now
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15:53	Jordach	VanessaE, nope
15:53	Jordach	ask ShadowNinja
15:53	VanessaE	Dan_D: do me a quick favor please?
15:54	VanessaE	Jordach: O RLY?  https://github.com/minetest-technic/
16:00	Jordach	lol, im part of it
16:00	Jordach	i should really get around to making textures for it at some point
16:00	Jordach	you know, better textures than what ShadowNinja can do
16:00	Jordach	(some fucking things are still 32x)
16:05	Jordach	and technic game shouldn't be 32x
16:05	Jordach	it looks like sht
16:06	Jordach	shit*
16:06	Jordach	you take minetest_game and turn gold into shit just with 32x
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16:10	VanessaE	heh
16:15	werwerwer_	Jordach, did you consider hacking texture loader so it automatically convert all hi-res textures to 16x?
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16:17	werwerwer_	though automatically interpolated textures still most probably would look like shit
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16:20	dafull97	Calinou! hey... LOL
16:20	Calinou	why LOL
16:20	Calinou	hi anyway :)
16:21	dafull97	idk, in school and bored
16:22	Calinou	you should study instead, I guess
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16:23	Peacock	!seen kaeza
16:23	MinetestBot	Peacock: kaeza was last seen at 2013-09-30 02:46:23 UTC on #minetest
16:23	dafull97	nah, not study haha
16:23	dafull97	!seen Peacock
16:23	MinetestBot	dafull97: peacock was last seen at 2013-09-30 16:23:11 UTC on #minetest
16:23	dafull97	wow that is cool
16:23	dafull97	!seen us_0gb
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16:23	Peacock	dont abuse it or the bot will cry rape
16:23	Dan_D	VanessaE, you there?
16:24	dafull97	haha, i wont
16:25	Peacock	"and then, he inserted his peripheral into my port!" lol
16:25	Dan_D	VanessaE, if there, can you update castles on your server?
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16:25	VanessaE	Dan_D: I'm here
16:25	VanessaE	I will update shortly
16:25	VanessaE	can you do me a favor please?
16:25	Peacock	the geek version of 2 girls 1 cup would probably be "2 guys 1 CUPS printing device driver" lol
16:26	Dan_D	YEs??
16:26	VanessaE	in the currency mod, can you please give the barter table a bottom side texture?
16:26	VanessaE	so that I can give it one in HDX.
16:26	Dan_D	Doesn't it have one? I thought it used the top texture?
16:26	VanessaE	it uses the "side" texture for the bottom
16:27	VanessaE	can you make it use a new file for that?  Maybe just a darker copy of the side texture or something
16:28	Dan_D	In a bit.
16:28	* VanessaE	puts her fresh new textures off in the background then.
16:28	Dan_D	Is it on Github or Dropbox?
16:28	VanessaE	looks to be on dropbox
16:28	Dan_D	Ah, dropbox
16:29	VanessaE	no .git folder inside it
16:29	Dan_D	The I can't change it until I install dropbox on Linux.
16:29	VanessaE	:(
16:29	Dan_D	Which I won't do yet, I am installing other stuff.
16:29	dafull97	BrandonReese, you there?
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16:29	Dan_D	Why can't you use the same texture? It looks fine to me? ie, why not use the top texture?
16:30	thefamilygrog66	howdy folks
16:30	Dan_D	Hi
16:30	Jordach	hey groggy
16:30	dafull97	hello thefamilygrog66
16:30	VanessaE	Dan_D: because of the model shape, I wanna texture the sides really nice
16:30	VanessaE	necessitates a separate texture compared to the bottom.
16:30	Dan_D	But no-one really looks at the base...
16:30	VanessaE	pweeeze? :)
16:31	Dan_D	In future. 1-2 yearsmaybe.
16:31	VanessaE	:(
16:31	Dan_D	Also, have you re-started the server yet?
16:31	Dan_D	I will at some point
16:31	VanessaE	I'll update castles when you update currency as above :P
16:31	Dan_D	No.
16:31	dafull97	BrandonReese, are you there? what is the technic mod do exactly?
16:32	Dan_D	I can't update it till I install Dropbox, which will be a while.
16:32	VanessaE	so just upload it to github?
16:32	* VanessaE	doesn't wanna have to fork it
16:32	Jordach	Dan_D, download from dropbox, github it
16:32	Dan_D	Then I will need to update the forum post and everything which is boring really.
16:32	Peacock	what was the name of keaza's image printing mod?
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16:32	Jordach	kaeza's printing mod
16:32	Jordach	</troll>
16:33	Peacock	seriously? damn the forum search sucks the llama's ass
16:33	IceCraft	hi
16:33	thefamilygrog66	Bahaha
16:33	Dan_D	How do I make a new repo andoush it with git command line?
16:33	Jordach	s/sucks/whips/
16:33	Jordach	</winamp>
16:33	Peacock	im wondering if it can be converted to work as a mapgen
16:34	Peacock	feed real maps, it generates the map, that sortof thing
16:34	thefamilygrog66	that would be pretty cool
16:34	thefamilygrog66	only 2D though, no?
16:34	dafull97	*Any one know how to take a Picture of your whole map on your server??
16:34	Peacock	well, the mod can read colours
16:34	Jordach	the lighter the colour, the higher, the darker the colour, the deeper
16:35	thefamilygrog66	ahh
16:35	Dan_D	dafull97, if on Windows, use my MT_Mapper
16:35	Peacock	so it could prolly detect the brightness/darkness and come up with different heights
16:35	Peacock	jordach said it more eloquently yes lol
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16:35	Dan_D	VanessaE, how to make a new repo using git command line?
16:35	thefamilygrog66	what's the best way to map worlds in linux these days?
16:35	Jordach	Peacock, as usual
16:35	Peacock	its your language :P
16:35	Jordach	thefamilygrog66, minetestmapper
16:35	Jordach	hey BlockMen
16:35	thefamilygrog66	is that the python one?
16:35	Dan_D	Yes
16:35	Jordach	yus
16:35	BlockMen	hi everyone
16:35	Peacock	one is python, the other is bin
16:36	thefamilygrog66	alrighty, thanks
16:36	dafull97	Dan_D, the server on Windows?
16:36	Dan_D	Do you use Windows?
16:36	thefamilygrog66	Windows uses me.
16:36	Dan_D	If so, to map a world, use myMt_mapper
16:36	Dan_D	Which is a frontend for minetest_mapper.exe
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16:36	markveidemanis	Hi
16:36	Jordach	NOOO
16:36	Jordach	RUN
16:36	Peacock	the map to mapgen thing would be handy for recreating the Riven islands
16:37	Dan_D	VanessaE, how do I make a new repo using command line git?
16:37	dafull97	Dan_D, i use Windows, and Xubuntu
16:37	thefamilygrog66	Liberty City
16:37	Peacock	dunno if i said that already, 1st cup of coffee lol
16:37	dafull97	D
16:37	thefamilygrog66	Los Santos
16:37	VanessaE	Dan_D: make a new repo on github, then in a terminal,  cd foldername; git init; git add .; git commit -m "initial commit"; git remote set-url --push origin gitgithub/your_repo_here.git ; git push
16:37	Dan_D	dafull97, to map a world in Windows use the Mt_mapper
16:37	* thefamilygrog66	also needs additional coffee(s).
16:37	Dan_D	Thanks V
16:37	Peacock	minetest, Y U NO builtin mapper?!
16:37	dafull97	Dan_D, the Client?
16:38	Dan_D	dafull97, do you have Minetest on Windows, and want to map a world on it?
16:38	thefamilygrog66	isn't that added in 0.4.8, Peacock?
16:38	Dan_D	If so, use Mt_Mapper, on the forum, instructions in the readme
16:38	Peacock	it is ?
16:38	Dan_D	*download link on forum I meant
16:38	thefamilygrog66	no, I just made that up.
16:38	dafull97	Dan_D, my server is on ubuntu, but my client is on Ubuntu and Windows
16:38	Peacock	i know they wanna add libmtmap or something like that, but i dont think ittl be ready in time
16:39	thefamilygrog66	"in time", haha.
16:39	Dan_D	dafull97, Mt_mapper is a Windows program to map a world in the Worlds folder
16:39	Peacock	operating on star trek time :P dev team currently stuck in a timeloop
16:39	thefamilygrog66	I've used the python script, but the colours were a bit weak.
16:40	thefamilygrog66	i.e. not enough nodes actually showed up on the map
16:40	Peacock	ya'll have to add them to colors.txt
16:40	dafull97	do i could download the worlds folder, from the Ubuntu server and it would work?
16:40	thefamilygrog66	yeah, I know - it would be nice if all the default nodes were in there you know, by default
16:41	Dan_D	If you could get the worlds folder, yes
16:41	dafull97	'Dan_D 2 up ^^
16:41	dafull97	opps haha
16:41	dafull97	ok, will do later
16:41	dafull97	thanks
16:41	Peacock	welll you can always rig the register node function in builtin to generate a colors.txt, thats what i did a while back
16:42	thefamilygrog66	good idea!
16:42	Dan_D	VanessaE, that didn't work
16:42	VanessaE	Dan_D: which part failed?
16:42	Dan_D	I will just use mediafire
16:42	VanessaE	I must have missed a step
16:42	thefamilygrog66	the github part, I'm guessing...
16:42	thefamilygrog66	o_O
16:43	Peacock	i always not get the github part lol
16:43	Peacock	im sure i could crack the WW2 enigma machines faster lol
16:43	thefamilygrog66	haha
16:45	thefamilygrog66	I use the dumbed down windows gui for github, and it still only works half the time for me
16:46	thefamilygrog66	and then I remember that I'd forgotten to update the readme file, so it's yet another commit
16:46	Dan_D	I F*****G hate mediafire. Grrr.
16:47	Peacock	i prefer good old fashioned file hosts lol
16:47	VanessaE	I miss ompldr.
16:47	VanessaE	it was perfect.
16:47	Peacock	ompldr and zimg
16:47	* thefamilygrog66	is trying to pronounce those...
16:48	Peacock	most image hosts have an option for not resizing images, but they still do it lol
16:48	thefamilygrog66	so did you watch the series finale last night, Peacock?
16:49	Peacock	yep yep watching it again with the wife right now (she missed it)
16:49	thefamilygrog66	cool, I'll be checking it out this evening - no spoilers!
16:49	Dan_D	VanessaE, currency: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/dszwbr8jpminimu/currency.zip?token_hash=AAFKG2RGXZs9rp6KimtLxtLi-z9Eyw4G7-7giky85LG51g&amp;dl=1
16:49	Dan_D	Will you update castle now?
16:50	Peacock	boardwalk empire was pretty good too, arnold rothstein lost his cool
16:50	thefamilygrog66	I've yet to start watching that show
16:50	Dan_D	VanessaE?
16:50	Dan_D	Where are you?
16:50	VanessaE	sure, gimme a sec to finish something
16:50	Dan_D	Oh hi
16:51	Dan_D	The base is called barter_base.png
16:51	VanessaE	ok
16:51	Peacock	its pretty good, even mother started watching it, but whatever channel she has it on, theyre two seasons behind lol
16:51	Dan_D	If you don't hurry up VanessaE I will sneeze
16:51	VanessaE	ok
16:51	Dan_D	Too late...
16:51	VanessaE	mods updated and staged.
16:51	Dan_D	*atchooo*
16:51	Dan_D	Thanks VanessaE
16:52	Dan_D	U R A *
16:52	Dan_D	You Are A Start
16:52	Peacock	* UHURA
16:52	Dan_D	*star
16:52	Dan_D	Stub, stibble, stob, idk
16:52	VanessaE	ok, both servers have been restarted.
16:52	Dan_D	You are a stub. Great.
16:52	VanessaE	except...
16:53	VanessaE	hold.
16:53	Dan_D	Yeahssss?????
16:53	Dan_D	Something broooooooooooooooooooooken?????
16:53	Dan_D	What happened
16:53	VanessaE	wait.
16:53	Dan_D	SPAM!
16:53	Dan_D	I am waiting....
16:53	Dan_D	Wait
16:53	Dan_D	Wait1
16:53	Dan_D	Wait2
16:53	Dan_D	Wait3
16:54	Dan_D	Woops sorry
16:54	Dan_D	Is my mod broken??
16:54	VanessaE	ok, they're up
16:54	Dan_D	Yay
16:54	VanessaE	not sure why they didn't join IRC
16:54	VanessaE	no, unrelated issue.
16:54	Dan_D	Oh right
16:55	dafull97	BrandonReese, what is the technic mod do?
16:56	Dan_D	It does a lot
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16:56	dafull97	such as ? ^^
16:57	thefamilygrog66	lasers
17:01	dafull97	is that it? VanessaE, do you know?
17:02	VanessaE	er
17:02	VanessaE	well
17:02	VanessaE	hard to explain
17:02	VanessaE	technic has machines that run on electricity and can send items back and forth via pneumatic tubes
17:02	Wuzzy	Is any one “hungry”? ;-)
17:03	VanessaE	it's basically another way to play the game, a more modern way versus cooking everything in a cobblestone furnace.
17:03	dafull97	is it needed? haha
17:03	dafull97	with th e unified inventory
17:03	Wuzzy	Hungry Games, anyone?
17:04	* Calinou	eats Wuzzy
17:04	* dafull97	eats Calinou
17:04	Calinou	I'm on hunger games server Wuzzy
17:04	dafull97	LOL, see im bored
17:05	Calinou	server died?
17:06	Wuzzy	lol
17:06	Wuzzy	did it lag 4 u too?
17:06	Wuzzy	server’s still up
17:06	Wuzzy	lol strange
17:06	Wuzzy	I rejoined
17:07	Wuzzy	(or is it up . .. again?)
17:08	dafull97	Wuzzy you own server?
17:09	Wuzzy	No.
17:09	Wuzzy	Hunger Games server is hosted by sfan5 btw...
17:10	dafull97	Wuzzy i know... i mean you own one at all?
17:10	Wuzzy	no
17:11	dafull97	oh, i have one still working on it haha
17:13	Wuzzy	Fuck it I have MASSIVE lag on the server >_>
17:13	Calinou	lol it started then frozen
17:13	Wuzzy	me too
17:14	Wuzzy	but we were further this time
17:14	Wuzzy	the last time the timer froze at 10 ... XD
17:14	Wuzzy	this time the countdown finished. That’s progress! hahahaha
17:14	Peacock	lol
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17:15	sfan5	wow!I just set up an Apache instance on :8080 (online for roughly 45 mins) and there were already 2 scanners
17:15	Wuzzy	DAFUQ?
17:15	Calinou	again crash I guess
17:16	Calinou	sfan5: use better ports :p
17:16	Calinou	also, what do you mean by scanners?
17:16	Wuzzy	hey sfan5 I guess you noticed that we have problems with the hunger games server :-(
17:16	sfan5	Calinou: open proxy scans
17:16	sfan5	Wuzzy: you do?
17:17	Calinou	are these bad?
17:17	Calinou	even freenode scans for proxies...
17:17	Wuzzy	Yes I do. And some others, too. Like Calinou.
17:17	Calinou	yep, it always crashes when starting
17:18	Wuzzy	sometimes when the timer is at 10. some times when the countdown just finished
17:18	* Jordach	waits for Candybox2
17:18	Wuzzy	oh
17:18	sfan5	Calinou: I do not have a direct connection to freenode (using a bouncer)
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17:18	Wuzzy	there is something else:
17:18	sfan5	Wuzzy: please reproduce the problem
17:18	Wuzzy	right now?
17:18	sfan5	yes
17:18	Wuzzy	oki dokey
17:19	Wuzzy	ok we are now 3 on the server
17:20	Wuzzy	BOOM
17:21	Wuzzy	it happened
17:21	sfan5	"PANIC: unprotected error in call to Lua API (bad argument #3 to '?' (table expected, got nil))"
17:21	sfan5	very helpful
17:21	Wuzzy	LOL
17:21	Peacock	i love those kinds of error messages lol
17:21	sfan5	I guess I have to "grep ?"
17:21	Wuzzy	and what do the lines before that one?
17:21	Wuzzy	say?
17:21	sfan5	19:20:48: ACTION[ServerThread]: Player Wuzzy moved too fast; resetting position
17:21	sfan5	nothing before or after that
17:21	Wuzzy	harahahahaha
17:21	Wuzzy	the anti cheat system
17:22	Wuzzy	clearly lag
17:22	Wuzzy	so its some bug in some script. but we dont know which one XD
17:22	Calinou	again crash
17:22	sfan5	Calinou: no, I SIGINT
17:22	Jordach	fuck the hunger games, you really need to kill it
17:23	Wuzzy	DAFUQ?
17:23	Wuzzy	the hunger games are cool (as long as it works)
17:23	Calinou	it's quite bad game play wise
17:23	Calinou	hunger sucks :p
17:24	Wuzzy	did you even play it?
17:24	Calinou	yes
17:24	Wuzzy	btw when it sucks why did you join, you sucker? ;-)
17:24	sfan5	time to try another minetest version
17:25	Wuzzy	btw this error message is strange
17:25	Wuzzy	argument #3 to '?'
17:25	Wuzzy	WTF
17:25	Wuzzy	just WTF
17:25	Wuzzy	normally a function name would in place of the question mark I guess
17:25	Wuzzy	would be*
17:26	Wuzzy	sfan5 do you use vanilla hungry games or did you modify something?
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17:26	sfan5	*** Will build version 0.4.7-dev *** << way better than 0.4.7-MSVC-334-fe4abb0
17:27	Wuzzy	gosh, who can even remember such version numbers? :O
17:27	sfan5	I use vanilla hungry games
17:27	sfan5	I just updated it too
17:27	Wuzzy	ah
17:29	Peacock	no neapolitan hunger games?
17:29	Wuzzy	I use 0.4.7 stable. If you update your Minetest, do I have to update my Minetest, too, to join your server?
17:30	sfan5	"0.4.7-MSVC-309-g2134316-dirty" why.....
17:31	sfan5	Wuzzy: no
17:31	VanessaE	there, HDX supports Dan's currency mod mow.
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17:35	sfan5	Wuzzy, Calinou: everything updated try now
17:35	Wuzzy	okay I go try now. I was afk
17:35	Peacock	my other favorite kind of error: ERROR[main]: ServerError: LuaError: error: C++ exception
17:35	proller	sfan5, can you build last -next ?
17:36	VanessaE	jeez, HDX is now 1.1 GB
17:36	sfan5	proller: link please
17:36	VanessaE	O_O
17:36	proller	sfan5, https://github.com/proller/minetest/tree/next
17:36	Calinou	what's the bar made of stone texture, sfan5?
17:36	sfan5	one sec
17:37	Calinou	at the right of my health
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17:39	Calinou	this sucks
17:39	Calinou	1) no warning when grace period ends
17:40	Calinou	2) starts at night
17:40	Calinou	3) hunger not full when starting
17:40	Calinou	n'importe quoi...
17:44	Wuzzy	Maybe its time for some terror in the thread which started all this. ;-)
17:44	Wuzzy	The older versions were fine
17:44	Wuzzy	but the newer ones seem so buggy... :O
17:47	Jordach	VanessaE, 512 right
17:47	VanessaE	yes
17:47	Jordach	\o/
17:48	Jordach	i'd stop using github for that
17:48	Jordach	(they complain when you go over 1gb)
17:48	Jordach	i'd make a git instance on your site VanessaE
17:48	VanessaE	332 MB for the 256px size.
17:49	Jordach	VanessaE, yeah
17:49	Jordach	i'd just keep 512 as a master copy
17:49	VanessaE	eesh
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17:52	VanessaE	eh, if the github team complains, I'll remove it then
17:53	Jordach	https://help.github.com/articles/what-is-my-disk-quota
17:53	VanessaE	hm, no apparent option to set up a git repo on my website.
17:54	Jordach	VanessaE, i'd just upload the 512 every now and then on your website
17:54	VanessaE	yeah, right
17:55	VanessaE	1.1GB ZIP?  over a 3Mbps link?
17:55	VanessaE	you're funny :)
17:55	Calinou	.tar.xz > zip :p
17:55	VanessaE	I guess I could rsync it
17:55	Jordach	VanessaE, should take fuck all time
17:55	Calinou	it was 25% better for a 1.6GB archive for me
17:55	Jordach	3mb up would take you ~14 mins
17:55	VanessaE	Calinou: suddenly, windows users.
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17:55	Jordach	suddenly: non 64bit builds
17:57	Dan_D	On Xubuntu is there any way to access the file manager, apart from the default short-cuts on desktop?
17:57	VanessaE	Dan_D: thunar
17:57	Dan_D	Ok
17:58	Jordach	XFCE Logo > Accessories > File Manager
17:58	Dan_D	Ah.
17:58	VanessaE	or do that
17:58	Dan_D	Doh, stupid of me really
17:58	Dan_D	*punches self violently*
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18:01	Calinou	Super+F
18:01	Calinou	(super is "windows")
18:01	Calinou	Dan_D: super+f for files, super+t for terminal, super+w for web, super+e for editor, super+m for mail
18:01	Calinou	:p
18:01	Jordach	lol windows key
18:02	Dan_D	Super?
18:02	Dan_D	On Linux?
18:03	Calinou	yeah
18:03	Calinou	xubuntu
18:04	Calinou	Super is the Windows key
18:04	Dan_D	Well, it orks
18:04	Calinou	(left and right, both work)
18:04	Dan_D	*works
18:04	VanessaE	hm, actually it seems my webhost does have git
18:04	* VanessaE	creates a new repo.
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18:07	zat	So someone knows what is this? http://i.imgur.com/OYYlEkw.png
18:08	sfan5	proller: building..
18:11	Peacock	http://s24.postimg.org/499gqxaud/map.jpg
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18:14	dafull97	Hey guys
18:14	dafull97	back again...
18:15	sfan5	proller: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/minetest-0.4.7-2134316-proller-next-win32.7z
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18:15	proller	thank you
18:15	Jordach	hey Evergreen
18:15	Evergreen	Anyone want to play some hungry games on sfan5's server?
18:15	Evergreen	hi
18:15	Jordach	fuck that
18:16	* Jordach	is shit at PvP
18:16	Calinou	I read "MLP"
18:16	* Calinou	gallops away
18:16	* Jordach	prefers MC PvP; with lava pits
18:16	Evergreen	Yes, pvp in miecraft is much better imo
18:16	Jordach	i've played it on xbox and PC, both are better at this respect
18:17	Calinou	it is yeah, but it's also more unbalanced
18:17	Peacock	id say griefing qualifies as pvp lol in which case, mt does it just as well as mc
18:17	Calinou	Jordach: lol, pvp on a xbox
18:17	Jordach	Calinou, bow and arrows
18:17	Jordach	Calinou, i often kill every mother fucker who gets in my way on Battlefield
18:17	Jordach	same for other arena type shooter
18:18	Jordach	(i once got 14 kills 0 deaths with a handgun)
18:18	andersje	jordach:  you're a bf3 guy, too?
18:19	Jordach	andersje, i play both mainstream games, planning on getting BF4
18:19	Jordach	but avioding Ghosts
18:19	andersje	I'm on the fence with bf3.
18:19	andersje	err, bf4
18:19	Jordach	avoiding*
18:19	VanessaE	ah there it goes
18:19	andersje	jordach:  my bf3 userhandle is also andersje.  feel free to add me as a friend =)
18:19	Jordach	xbox?
18:19	* VanessaE	uploads HDX 512 to a new repo on her web server
18:19	andersje	PC baby.
18:19	Jordach	dammit
18:19	andersje	=)
18:20	Jordach	i'm not a fan with PC versions
18:20	andersje	i hear world of tanks is available for xbox now
18:20	Jordach	too damn high requirements
18:20	andersje	my eldest just got an xbox 360, but I haven't run the new ethernet to the basement to hook it up
18:20	andersje	meh, maybe I'll just put it on the wireless
18:21	* rubenwardy1	learning DJango
18:22	rubenwardy1	*is
18:22	Dan_D	Hi again
18:22	* Dan_D	is still puzzled about command-0line Github Repo making...
18:23	VanessaE	I did it manually just now but I had to muddle my way through it
18:26	Dan_D	Apart from VanessaE's server, do any others use my castles+ mod?
18:27	andersje	Dan_D: what's it do?
18:27	thexyz	rubenwardy1: so how's it?
18:27	Evergreen	I usually just do it online, then clone it
18:27	Dan_D	andersje look on the forum thread
18:27	rubenwardy1	Very interesting
18:27	Dan_D	Evergreen, you mean repo maing?
18:27	Dan_D	If so,sounds cool
18:28	thexyz	interesting, indeed
18:29	thexyz	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7336
18:30	andersje	Dan_D: that looks super nice.  My kids will love that.  I'll install that around on my servers shortly.
18:31	Dan_D	Thanks!
18:31	Dan_D	It is updated about once a week
18:32	andersje	I'll grab it via git then.
18:32	andersje	my youngest is all about minecraft, but things like this may bring him back to the fold
18:34	Dan_D	Yep
18:34	Dan_D	I play Mc too, but it is so resource-hungry
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18:37	Miner_48er	anyone know of a mod like on King-Arthur that displays server rules with an accept button like the wiki mod? It seems like ever server would need something like that since players rarely read signs. Any suggestions?
18:38	* andersje	nods
18:39	andersje	Dan_D: so the latest versions of your mod include a crossbow, don't they?
18:39	andersje	I'd read more on the forum, but I'm ssh'd in, and the connection is SLOOOOW
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18:43	Dan_D	andersje,yes, it does have a crossbow
18:45	Evergreen	Thank you to whoever pointed aseprite out to me, now that I use xfce, it works like a charm
18:50	andersje	thanks, Dan_D
18:51	Evergreen	What do your kids like?
18:53	andersje	one likes building entire cities.  One likes griefing.
18:53	andersje	=)
18:53	andersje	but they were both impressed by castles in minecraft, with murder holes and what not
18:55	Jordach	probably kaeza
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18:55	Jordach	(i found it through him too)
18:55	Jordach	...no, not like that
18:55	* Jordach	pokes VanessaE with the Ping stick
18:56	Evergreen	Lol, I think you should install the nuke mod, and the tnt mod
18:56	Evergreen	As well as the guns mod
18:56	andersje	oh, they love the tnt mod
18:56	andersje	I was under the impression that the guns mod wasn't a good thing for a server tho
18:56	Evergreen	Have you see the nuke mod yet?
18:56	Evergreen	Yeah, it isn't
18:57	Evergreen	It has hardcore iron tnt which releases a ton of iron tnt on explosion
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18:57	andersje	we've got TNT spread around most of the worlds now, and the griefer is learning not to blow up our stuff
18:57	cy1	how about a chest sorting mod. ;_;
18:57	andersje	all of us are finding ourselves wishing for a direction-blast version of TNT, suitable for mining.
18:57	Evergreen	whatever you do, don't let the griefer on our servers lol
18:57	andersje	heh.
18:58	andersje	yeah, he's learning.
18:58	andersje	he's only 8.
18:58	prestotron55	[deleted]
18:58	andersje	my youngest son
18:58	prestotron55	[deleted]
18:58	andersje	I keep telling him that if he griefs anywhere but our servers, he's going to get banned PERMANENTLY
18:58	andersje	on ours, he just loses interact for a few days
18:58	prestotron55	[deleted]
18:59	andersje	and then, his brother and I also won't help him build anything, and I think that's even more effective than taking away interact
18:59	cy1	Blowing up stuff is cool, but not nearly as cool as chain reactions.
18:59	andersje	yes.
18:59	andersje	has anyone tinkered with a directional explosive?
18:59	andersje	or is that not possible with the engine?
19:00	Evergreen	Oh, it definitely is
19:00	andersje	oooh.
19:00	Evergreen	It's just that no one has done it yet
19:00	andersje	I should look into the TNT mod
19:00	andersje	because for mining, shaped charges would be AWESOME
19:01	prestotron55	[deleted]
19:01	* andersje	digs through some code
19:01	Dan_D	IDK if my version is compatable...
19:02	Evergreen	andersje: Here is the nuke mod if you want, it's by sfan    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/nuke1.5.zip
19:02	prestotron55	[deleted]
19:03	MinetestBot	prestotron55: Document isn't HTML
19:03	prestotron55	[deleted]
19:03	andersje	thanks
19:03	Jordach	prestotron55, .zip files arent html
19:03	Jordach	n00b
19:03	Evergreen	If you don't truest me, forum link:   https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=638
19:03	prestotron55	[deleted]
19:03	prestotron55	[deleted]
19:03	MinetestBot	prestotron55: [Mod] Nuke Mod [1.5] [nuke] (Page 1) — Mod Releases — Minetest Forums
19:04	prestotron55	[deleted]
19:04	Jordach	UMM
19:04	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/4id4SBh.png
19:04	Jordach	you need hardcore mese tnt to make hardcore mese tnt
19:04	prestotron55	[deleted]
19:06	Evergreen	I have done a fair it with html and css, but I never have made a webpage with python, or pearl elements to it
19:06	Evergreen	I might try it at some point
19:06	prestotron55	[deleted]
19:06	Jordach	Perl*
19:06	Jordach	get it right or gtfo
19:07	sfan5	^
19:07	Evergreen	lol
19:07	* Jordach	high fives sfan5
19:07	prestotron55	[deleted]
19:07	prestotron55	[deleted]
19:07	* Evergreen	slaps Jordach and sfan5 with the ping stick
19:07	Jordach	prestotron55, yours shake more than mine
19:07	Peacock	perl... fond memories of Common Gateway Interface lol
19:07	* sfan5	throws Encryption at Jordach
19:07	sfan5	Jordach: plol
19:07	andersje	oh man.
19:07	prestotron55	[deleted]
19:08	andersje	the days before mod_perl were not pretty.
19:08	* andersje	thinks about that
19:08	* Jordach	pisses self laughing
19:08	* andersje	isn't sure the days AFTER mod_perl were pretty.
19:08	Peacock	though with CGI if im not mistaken, you could just as easily write a dynamic site in C
19:08	* Dan_D	eats Fishcakes. Yum!
19:08	andersje	absolutely.
19:08	* prestotron55	is proud of barely there shaking boobs!
19:08	Jordach	prestotron55, moobs*
19:08	cy1	"easily"
19:09	andersje	before everyone insisted on building interpretation stuff into apache modules, I remember cgis in awk, and shell too
19:09	prestotron55	[deleted]
19:09	prestotron55	[deleted]
19:09	cy1	Peacock: mod_perl is sort of like if you wrote a C program, called it apache, and ran the functions to evaluate perl code.
19:09	Peacock	well php 2-3 were reasonable, then they started adding all sorts of shit like gotos and complex class structures lol
19:09	Peacock	for what is essentially a dynamic site scripting language
19:10	jrabbit	templating*
19:10	Peacock	whatever the hell the current buzzword is lol
19:10	* prestotron55	has PHP 5 installed with SocialSwim!
19:10	Jordach	tch, pointless ad
19:11	PilzAdam	!mute prestotron55
19:11	PilzAdam	told you to not talk about that again
19:11	cy1	does anyone know if a switching station can take low voltage generators and turn it to medium voltage?
19:11	cy1	in technic
19:11	Jordach	cy1, i thought that too
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19:12	cy1	sorry, a uh... conversion thingy
19:12	Miner_48er	should
19:12	Peacock	lol
19:12	Peacock	he'll just come back with a different name
19:12	Jordach	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jzMw9ezE3I
19:12	cy1	does it just take a heck of a lot of LV power? I don't want to keep using up diamonds to make generators...
19:13	Jordach	water mills are more effective cy1, but mv panels are way better (hint: use power at night and not day)
19:13	cy1	afaik there's only LV generators, and solar panels, and uh, nuke
19:13	cy1	it'd be nice if you could make a MV water mill. It'd have to require flowing lava or something lol.
19:14	Peacock	wish there was a simpler technical mod without a gazillion dependencies lol
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19:14	Peacock	wireless power is the wave future :P
19:14	cy1	switching stations still boggle me. You like, put them sort of next to but not quite in the way of a circuit and they magically work
19:14	Peacock	*of the
19:15	cy1	Peacock: when you know of a wireless powered tool repairer, or block destroyer lemme know. <_<
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19:16	Peacock	yeah i still have to deactivate creative mode and activate the creative inv for whitelisted, noticed tools don't wear out on my server
19:16	sfan5	oh how nice, disable CBC cipher suites for ssl in apache makes Java 7 go nuts but java 6 works fine
19:16	Peacock	but for wireless power the concept is simple
19:16	sfan5	disabling*
19:16	Peacock	the machines use the find_node_in radius or whatever to find a generator within range
19:17	cy1	seems you'd want special wireless transmitters and receivers, not all powered devices...
19:17	Peacock	or group=generator if you have more than one type
19:18	Peacock	http://www.ted.com/talks/eric_giler_demos_wireless_electricity.html
19:18	Peacock	maybe a wireless transmitter, but if you want to do away with wires (which would be my intent) then theyd always have to be place ontop the genny, which means you might as well make it builtin and save the extra node
19:19	Peacock	you could have wireless range boosters,
19:19	Wuzzy	lol I am on sfan5’s Hunger Games server again. lol the house got a redesign. I like it. :-)
19:19	Peacock	placed within the radius of a genny, it extends the range to a new radius around the booster
19:19	Wuzzy	I don’t know if it works now
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19:19	sfan5	Wuzzy: if you would have read my post in the server topic you would have known that the server uses another map
19:19	Peacock	in any case, im working on steam power right now, got steam powered gates for my riven islands all set up :-)
19:20	Jordach	is there also a SteamOS controlling the gates
19:20	Jordach	>:D
19:20	Wuzzy	I still like it. :-P
19:20	Peacock	naw, theres a steamgen, and small pipes to carry the steam
19:21	Peacock	but for actual electricity (ill eventually have a steam-to-elec genny) id go wireless
19:22	cy1	Peacock: Oh, you mean in the real world :p
19:22	Peacock	yeah like i have to to build that IRL
19:22	Peacock	lol
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19:28	PilzAdam	there is font_size in minetest.conf ...
19:28	sfan5	Jordach: do you have a blocky model of a kitten?
19:30	Jordach	i dont happen to; the last time i tried a got a bear
19:30	andersje	make the ears pointier and call it a kitten?
19:30	PilzAdam	bye
19:32	Jordach	oh fuck jesus my girlfriend just said something funny
19:33	Jordach	"Does a zombie lesbian want to eat brains or pussy?"
19:33	sfan5	pussy ofc
19:33	* Calinou	finally has a new signature
19:33	Jordach	fine, you'll get your damn kittly model
19:33	Calinou	(not related)
19:34	Dan_D	Hi
19:34	Calinou	hi Dan_D :)
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19:40	Wuzzy	Someone posted a Riven map on this channel some hours (?) ago, but I can’t recall who. Why did you do that?
19:52	andersje	short of digging through the minetest code, is there a list of function calls?  that is, is the API documented for writing mods?
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19:53	Miner_48er	http://dev.minetest.net/Intro
19:53	Miner_48er	http://dev.minetest.net/Main_Page
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19:53	Hunterz	hello
19:53	sfan5	hi
19:53	Miner_48er	hi
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19:54	Peacock	wuzzy that was me
19:55	Wuzzy	And why did you post that again?
19:55	Wuzzy	(I am just curious.)
19:56	Peacock	because i could?
19:56	Wuzzy	lol
19:56	Wuzzy	I can recall the  old Riventest mod
19:56	Peacock	dont know what else to say :P
19:57	Wuzzy	but it does not work for current versions
19:57	Peacock	riventest was based on the MC mod by the name mystcraft
19:57	Wuzzy	but the cool thing is
19:57	Wuzzy	not really
19:57	Peacock	ive seen gotten my hands on the real textures with which to recreate the ages
19:57	Wuzzy	the linking books! hahaha
19:57	cy1	The Riven mod was the first one to try and figure out teleporters IIRC
19:57	Peacock	there were portal mods before linking books?
19:57	Wuzzy	myst craft does not use teleporters afaik
19:57	cy1	Not that I know of...
19:58	Peacock	btw, added the linking books back to my server, transporters are cool, but they work like spiderwebs, books are 1-way
19:58	Wuzzy	it causes mc to generate new worlds thats a whole different story
19:58	Wuzzy	did anyone try to revive riventest?
19:58	Peacock	doubt you could
19:58	Peacock	i didn't *make* the textures myself
19:58	Wuzzy	does that matter? LOL
19:59	Peacock	not to me, but to others :P
19:59	Wuzzy	Whatever.
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19:59	Peacock	thats what i figured lol
19:59	Wuzzy	Maybe I should finally release the refurbished Riventest version I have lying around for months ... ;-)
19:59	Peacock	but you'd have a hard time posting the mod now
20:00	Wuzzy	???
20:00	Peacock	well if youre using the same textures, then the same license problem applies
20:00	dafull97	Questions Guys
20:00	Wuzzy	I just use the same license as the riventest mod
20:00	Wuzzy	Problem solved!
20:01	Peacock	that doesn't mean the textures are actually under that license lol i just chose it because i  was forced to license and forced to chose from a list of licenses :P
20:01	Wuzzy	so what?
20:02	Peacock	so expect the same grief i got :P
20:02	Wuzzy	whenever *I* am forced to choose i licence, i choose WTFPL (if its my work ofc).
20:02	Wuzzy	Did you get sued or whatever?
20:02	Wuzzy	did you get mobbed?
20:03	Peacock	no but i doubt they'd put in Releases either :P
20:03	Peacock	mobbed? on here yeah lol
20:03	Wuzzy	??? why ???
20:03	Peacock	because open source, fsf, blah blah blah
20:03	Wuzzy	???
20:03	Peacock	nevermind :P i stopped posting mods for good reasons :P
20:04	Peacock	lets leave it at that
20:04	Wuzzy	Hmmm I just post the new version and see what happens.
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20:05	VanessaE	can someone try this please:  git clone http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/git/hdx-512.git
20:05	Peacock	wuzzy good luck ;)
20:05	Peacock	put your name on it though
20:05	Wuzzy	VanessaE: cloning or compiling?
20:05	VanessaE	clone it.
20:06	Peacock	(not mine :P)
20:06	Evergreen	It's a texture pack.   :P
20:06	VanessaE	just wanna see if this works.
20:06	VanessaE	I'm trying to move it away from github as it's getting so huge now.
20:06	VanessaE	you don't have to let it finish, just make sure it is able to actually start downloading
20:06	Peacock	arent many filehosts with huge limits for free
20:07	Wuzzy	I guess thats not the only reason ;-)
20:07	Wuzzy	"fatal: repository 'BLA' not found."
20:07	Peacock	tho judging by your computer specs you prolly have the funds for a decent host
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20:07	Dan_D	What did I do wrong here?
20:08	Dan_D	on_construct=function(pos)
20:08	Dan_D	if pos.y<1 then
20:08	Dan_D	minetest.set_node(pos,"player_radar:radar_broken")
20:08	Dan_D	end
20:08	Dan_D	end,
20:08	Wuzzy	the comma? (just guessing)
20:08	Peacock	minetest.set_node(pos,"player_radar:radar_broken")
20:08	Dan_D	Ah
20:08	Peacock	minetest.set_node(pos,{name="player_radar:radar_broken"})
20:08	Wuzzy	-_-
20:09	Wuzzy	<<<<<< fool pointer
20:09	Dan_D	Thanks
20:09	Peacock	np
20:10	Wuzzy	lol VanessaE it give me a fatal but I can view it in browser... XD
20:11	Peacock	wow, no wonder americans keep guns in their car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNOyDMzn2bY
20:11	Peacock	theres like 50 bikers to one driver
20:13	Jordach	sfan5, kitty: http://i.imgur.com/MSM1WWV.png
20:13	sfan5	nice
20:13	Jordach	looks kinda familiar
20:14	andersje	Peacock: I can't watch videos...bicyclists or motorcycle bikers?
20:14	Jordach	because 1) i'm too lazy to wikipedia a decent model
20:14	Jordach	2) that model is nice and easy
20:14	Wuzzy	wait, Peacock, you didn’t make Riventest, right?
20:14	andersje	Miner_48er: thanks for the links
20:14	Peacock	andersje, motorcycle bikers, and quit using Trisquell :P
20:15	Peacock	wuzzy yeah i did
20:15	andersje	Peacock: bad news is a lot of motorcyclists are armed, too
20:15	Wuzzy	<https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2399> and who is this one?
20:15	andersje	of course, they're gonna be ANYWAY.
20:15	Wuzzy	called "mauvebic"
20:15	Peacock	me lol
20:15	Wuzzy	2 names?
20:15	Dan_D	VanessaE, can you replace the player radar mod in camo, on your server, with this one? Thanks. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/lhdhoxdc9agd80x/player_radar.zip?token_hash=AAGZeMnKYdM9Y9EhCBvgAG8VLvxYCksh9P_MCAqahDX_wA&amp;dl=1
20:15	Peacock	fewer than alot of people here lol
20:16	VanessaE	not rightnow
20:16	sfan5	Jordach: please tell me I did this right: http://sfan5.duckdns.org/upload/userdata/1/0000-0220.avi
20:16	Jordach	that's a blender render, y u no ogv
20:16	Peacock	funny (or pathetic) how alot of my griefers with diff. names and IPs come from the same towns and cities lol
20:17	VanessaE	Wuzzy: try again:  git clone http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/git/hdx-512.git
20:17	VanessaE	I think it works now
20:17	VanessaE	Dan_D: you too, plz
20:17	andersje	Peacock: where are you?
20:17	Peacock	central Quebec
20:17	Jordach	sfan5, brick: seems legit (you need to disable the filters) looks good
20:17	andersje	ah.  hold on, I'm figuring this out...you're Mauvebic too?
20:17	Peacock	far enough from the river that we don't totally freeze our asterisks off in winter :P
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20:17	Peacock	yep
20:18	andersje	hey, you've made some really cool stuff.
20:18	Peacock	used to
20:18	andersje	I'm in Southern canada myself:  MN.
20:18	Peacock	MN?
20:18	sfan5	Jordach: how do I get the face to render right
20:18	Peacock	Manitoba?
20:18	Dan_D	WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /tmp/keyring-5cEtXa/pkcs11: No such file or directory
20:18	andersje	Minnesota, USA
20:18	Peacock	oh lol
20:18	andersje	we're more like CA than the rest of the USA.
20:18	VanessaE	Dan_D: ignore that.  is it downloading?
20:18	Peacock	well more like northern US
20:18	Dan_D	Or VanessaE, just update all of camo mod
20:18	Jordach	my technique is to subdivide the HAT LAYER and remove the white areas by deleteing faces
20:18	Peacock	they say that about Vermont
20:18	Dan_D	No, it is not doing anything
20:18	andersje	and before you point out the really crazy politicians like Norm Coleman and Michelle Bachmann...they're imports, not natives.
20:19	andersje	Wisconsin has gone kinda crazy
20:19	VanessaE	Dan_D: look at your network bandwidth meter
20:19	VanessaE	(if you have one)
20:19	Peacock	something, Walker the gov. of Wisconsin i think?
20:19	VanessaE	if it just sits there without timing out, it might be working
20:19	andersje	yeah, union breaker
20:19	andersje	basically, he believes gov't exists to screw people, and he's out to prove himself right.
20:19	VanessaE	(I'm test-cloning using hubby's computer, it's actively downloading
20:19	VanessaE	)
20:19	Peacock	well if unions hadn't turned into replicas of the mafia people would still find them useful
20:19	Dan_D	VanessaE, will you update camo?
20:20	Peacock	the few union jobs ive had paid less than all the rest
20:20	andersje	Peacock: depends on the union.
20:20	Dan_D	Also,nothing is happening yet
20:20	VanessaE	yes, later, after I'm sure I got this working
20:20	andersje	whoa, weird.
20:20	sfan5	Jordach: where do I disable filtering?
20:20	Peacock	you earn the same shit pay, and you have to pay your dues on top
20:20	andersje	here in the states, union jobs invariably pay more than non-union jobs -- even after taking out union dues.
20:20	Peacock	we already pay two income taxes (federal and provincial)
20:20	Dan_D	Well, it made the hdx folder where I wanted, but nothing in it
20:21	andersje	for example, when I taught at a technical college, I was in a teacher's union.  I made about $8k/yr more than the guys at the non-unionized schools, but paid about $1200 of that into dues.
20:21	Peacock	unions for professionals look out more for their members than blue collar unions,
20:21	andersje	in the states, we pay federal, state (except in florida) income taxes, plus sometimes municipal income taxes.
20:21	Hunterz	is in the minetest some command like /spawn /sethome or others known on bukkit servers?
20:21	Peacock	the blue collar unions seem to only be interested in taxing their members
20:21	Dan_D	VanessaE, it didn't download
20:21	VanessaE	Dan_D: did it time out?
20:21	Dan_D	No, just did nothing
20:21	Peacock	notice how the head of unions live in houses 10 times the size of yours
20:22	andersje	I dunno, the teamsters seem to do okay taking care of their guys.  as with anything else, though, YMMV
20:22	andersje	yeah.
20:22	VanessaE	Dan_D: you didn't abort it did you?
20:22	Dan_D	No error, nothing
20:22	Dan_D	I had to abort
20:22	sfan5	Hunterz: there are not man commands in minetest, there are many mods that do things like CommandBin or Essentials does on Bukkit
20:22	VanessaE	why?
20:22	sfan5	many*
20:22	Dan_D	IDK
20:22	andersje	but I'll give Jimmy Hoffa Sr. this:  he did improve the conditions for the average joe.
20:22	Hunterz	thanks
20:22	Dan_D	I will try again VanessaE, on the terms that you update camo on the server
20:22	VanessaE	Dan_D: I'll update camo shortly.
20:22	Peacock	yeah but where are those jobs now? (hint China, Mexico)
20:23	Dan_D	Cool
20:23	andersje	Peacock: I know.
20:23	VanessaE	ok, it's pulled and staged.
20:23	VanessaE	meanwhile my test clone of the hdx-512 repo is still downloading.
20:23	Peacock	and look at Detroit, case example of union power taken to extremes
20:23	andersje	I used to know a guy who worked for the Teamsters.  He said part of the master plan was unionizing India and Mexico.
20:23	Dan_D	VanessaE, no webpages load now that I am trying to clone hdx
20:23	andersje	though he said it was rougher there, because you could end up dead for trying to organize things
20:23	VanessaE	Dan_D: because git is using up all your download bandwidth to fetch it
20:23	andersje	of course, that's no different than the USA in the 1920s
20:24	Peacock	well if the Comintern was still around that might have happened, but i doubt they'll unionize now
20:24	Jordach	sfan5, kitty! http://i.imgur.com/DJTIzZh.png
20:24	andersje	Comintern?  i don't recognize the term
20:24	sfan5	Jordach: awesome
20:24	Peacock	people got whacked in north America for organizing unions in the 20s and 30's too, and well into the 50's and 60's in Quebec
20:24	andersje	(and I don't think the chinese communist party would welcome a challenge like labor unions)
20:24	andersje	wow, nasty.
20:24	Jordach	sfan5, i pretty much nicked the mc model
20:24	* john_minetest	meows and gives a fishy to Jordach
20:24	* Jordach	purrs
20:24	* sfan5	puts a kitten on Jordach's head
20:25	VanessaE	Dan_D: ok, the servers have been updated and restarted.
20:25	* Jordach	purrs again
20:25	Dan_D	Coolio
20:25	Jordach	fun fact: i havent saved the model
20:25	Dan_D	I can't join though, because of hdx downloading
20:25	Peacock	they say for every bridge and dam we have in Quebec, there are bodies in the foundations lol
20:25	Jordach	anyways, i'll texture that kitty tomorrow
20:25	Dan_D	I will abort VanessaE
20:25	VanessaE	nooooooo
20:25	Dan_D	Actually no
20:25	VanessaE	do not abort it
20:25	VanessaE	just let it finish
20:26	Dan_D	Ok
20:26	VanessaE	it won't give you a progress report because it's http://
20:26	Peacock	Dan_D you can't abort Vanessa, kinda tough to do when they're already born
20:26	andersje	Peacock: heh.  they used to say that about the Great Wall of China, too
20:26	Peacock	well that's hella ancient
20:26	VanessaE	I'm at about 75% judging by the usage of the receiving folder.
20:26	Dan_D	I now have IRC, Mozilla, Minetest, and Github all trying to use my Internet :(
20:26	VanessaE	not github.
20:26	VanessaE	just git.
20:27	Dan_D	Well, whatever
20:27	Peacock	thats all? i occasionally have patrons from the downstairs pub trying to connect to me
20:27	Peacock	just because my network name is twocheeseburgers
20:27	Peacock	lol
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20:27	Peacock	maybe i should go with goatse?
20:27	Jordach	hahaha
20:27	Peacock	i'll be damned, howdy RBA
20:28	RealBadAngel	hi
20:28	VanessaE	hey RBA!
20:28	andersje	Peacock: set them up with the UpsideDownTernet
20:28	Dan_D	VanessaE, terminal just closed without crash.
20:28	VanessaE	er
20:28	Dan_D	IDK why
20:28	VanessaE	well I can't do much about that :P
20:28	andersje	http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html
20:28	Dan_D	Just flashed some text then closed
20:28	Dan_D	Too fast to read
20:29	Peacock	tho the worse is when a few them setup hotspots on their phones, my connection goes all wonky
20:29	VanessaE	yay!
20:29	VanessaE	it worked
20:29	Dan_D	Coolioioio
20:29	Dan_D	I have to go now
20:29	Peacock	not coolio, http://buttheadandbeavis.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/cornholio.jpg
20:30	sfan5	"Don't ask me what happend." http://sfan5.duckdns.org/upload/userdata/1/0000-0220.ogg
20:30	Miner_48er	Dan_D check your debug.txt
20:33	BlockMen	gd n8t everyone
20:33	VanessaE	grrrr
20:33	VanessaE	how do I force the forum to NOT try to expand a URL into a real link?
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20:36	Miner_48er	[/url] ?
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20:37	VanessaE	er, no
20:37	LazyJ	Like a "TinyURL", is what I reckon VanessaE, is reffering too.
20:37	VanessaE	no
20:38	* LazyJ	loses yet again. :)-
20:38	VanessaE	I mean if I write a URL into a post, I want the forum to NOT automatically turn it into a real link
20:38	VanessaE	I want the raw URL only.
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20:38	Nocte|	Hello...
20:39	VanessaE	hi
20:39	Nocte|	Hmm... I'm trying to figure out how craft stuff out of iron. (I already got some Iron ore/lump whatever.
20:39	Sokomine	nothing mt-related, but...hmm...why don't i have /dev/dsp? need to record something on line1 (linux)
20:40	Sokomine	place it in the middle of your crafting grid and sourround it with wooden planks. that gives you a locked chest
20:40	Miner_48er	VanessaE have you removed the [url][/url] ?
20:40	Sokomine	you can also do buckets (v-shape)
20:40	Nocte|	I mean, like swords/tools.
20:40	LazyJ	Would an extra space between the "http://" and the body and then another before and after the period in the prefix not trigger the auto-url function?
20:41	Sokomine	nocte: same like wood...but with a steel ingot (=melted iron lump) instead of wooden planks
20:41	VanessaE	screw it, I'll just force it to point back to the forum topic.
20:41	Sokomine	if you need general crafting advice..hm. there used to be a craft guide for the basics somewhere
20:41	Nocte|	Hmm.. How do I melt lumps? /is a newb.
20:41	Nocte|	Woot. So much coal!
20:41	Calinou	Nocte|: use a furnace
20:41	Sokomine	or go to Redcrabs server (redcrab.suret.net port 30410) and visit my crafting school there
20:41	VanessaE	LazyJ: it would not, but it would break it.
20:41	Calinou	http://wiki.minetest.net/Furnace
20:41	Calinou	Sokomine: don't you mean 30401
20:42	Sokomine	calinou: oh, yes, sorry!
20:42	Calinou	:)
20:42	* Calinou	still remembers it, even though he doesn't play there anymore
20:42	Sokomine	come back eventually. there are some great buildings
20:42	Miner_48er	VanessaE use [code] [/code]
20:42	Nocte|	Also: I'm using these mods: Pyramid and Simple Mobs.
20:42	Sokomine	and if you find a living, responding redcrab, you'll get at least one stack of mese from me!
20:42	Sokomine	or make that 10 stacks...
20:43	Sokomine	nocte: hmm. better lern the basics first :-)
20:43	Calinou	maybe from time to time
20:43	Nocte|	Nah.
20:43	Nocte|	Learn while playing. :)
20:43	Calinou	I don't play because owner went missing, and it's very outdated too
20:43	Calinou	I hve quite a lot of stuff too
20:43	Sokomine	yes, the missing owner is a problem :_(
20:43	Calinou	several stacks of mese blocks that were mined before the update
20:43	Sokomine	now...hm...
20:44	Calinou	back in summer 2012 or so
20:44	Nocte|	Oh also: I found this large cave system.
20:44	Nocte|	With coal and stuff.
20:44	Calinou	Minetest can have great caves sometimes :D
20:44	Nocte|	Explore, Yes/No?
20:44	Calinou	yes, but bring a stone or steel sword :)
20:44	* Sokomine	looks puzzled at the sound producing device connected to her line in and tries to figure out how to operate a mixer and to get any recording tool to reacto to that line...
20:44	Sokomine	explore if you like :-)
20:44	Calinou	sound producing device?
20:44	Calinou	I don't get it :P
20:45	Sokomine	try to get deep enough soon enough for mese crystals (-64). they make good tools
20:45	Sokomine	er, that what we had before the cd player and that played music...modern type of gramophone?
20:45	Calinou	the deeper you are, the more mese
20:45	Sokomine	i've hooked it up but am currently searching for the right...channel...mixer config...whatever. i usually don't do much with sound
20:45	Calinou	"sound producing device" ask my graphics card
20:46	Sokomine	:-
20:46	Peacock	the grammarphone? http://xfinity.comcast.net/blogs/tv/files/2012/08/kelsey-grammer.jpg
20:46	Sokomine	:-)
20:46	Calinou	I can play music with it if I change FPS limit in a game (and if it's reached)
20:46	Calinou	due to coil whine :P
20:46	Sokomine	no, i can produce grammar on my own :)
20:46	Peacock	lol i read e coli wine
20:46	* Peacock	needs glasses
20:47	Sokomine	ah yes. english just calls those "discs" gramophone records
20:47	Peacock	vinyls?
20:47	Nocte|	LPs..
20:47	Nocte|	Vinyls. Etc.
20:48	Nocte|	Found some more Iron Lumps!
20:48	Sokomine	ok. the player plays it happily, the cables are set...but where's my sound?
20:49	Peacock	being absorbed by a quantum singularity
20:49	Peacock	(ie, a blackhole)
20:49	Calinou	going to sleep, night ^_^
20:49	* Sokomine	looks innocently at a chest containing chests of cobble in mt
20:49	Sokomine	sleep well, calinou
20:49	Nocte|	Also: Not Minetest related, anyone who plays Fallout 3?
20:49	Calinou	nope
20:49	Calinou	but I play TF2 :p
20:50	Nocte|	Hehe. Fallout 3 is sooo brutal because of lack of ammo. :(
20:50	Peacock	and all the guys carrying ammo are crowding around the one girl on the server? :P
20:50	Calinou	red eclipse lacks ammo too, and it's not brutal
20:50	Nocte|	WOOT! IRON. This is cool cave. Haha.
20:51	Nocte|	Calinou...
20:51	Calinou	:p
20:51	Nocte|	The damage in Fallout 3 is just so ridiculous.
20:51	Nocte|	And you are more likely to be killed than the enemy.
20:51	Nocte|	Especially when starting out.
20:51	Calinou	same applies in duel, when the opponent picks all the grenades
20:52	Nocte|	But this is against multiple enemy A.Is.
20:52	Nocte|	:|
20:53	Nocte|	There seems to be more Iron in the depths... Should I go explore?
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20:56	Sokomine	if you want more ores, you ought to explore. perhaps you want to install moreores first?
20:57	Nocte|	Install as in?
20:57	Nocte|	Ah, right the mod!
20:57	Nocte|	What types of ores are there in Minetest?
20:59	Nocte|	And what comes in the mod?
21:00	Peacock	code, textures, the usual
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21:03	t3o	I try to program a mod.. I want to have moving nodes that should have a direction at least. Probably speed. How/where can I store this data?
21:04	Nocte|	Heh, I got every bit of Iron out of the cave...
21:04	t3o	I see http://dev.minetest.net/NodeMetaRef but.. it looks like I would have to move the meta data on its own.. when moving one of my objects
21:04	Nocte|	Now to where?
21:07	Nocte|	I want to make some kind of building as a base of operations. :|
21:09	t3o	Nocte|: install some mobs: https://github.com/PilzAdam/mobs
21:10	Nocte|	Already installed.
21:10	Nocte|	Simple Mods, right?
21:10	t3o	yea
21:10	Nocte|	The game lags a bit when moving.
21:10	t3o	mobs
21:10	Sokomine	get yourshelf a steel sword...
21:10	t3o	mo_b_s
21:11	Sokomine	or tame the mobs by changing the mobs mod to more friendly mobs :-)
21:11	Nocte|	How can I craft a map?
21:11	Nocte|	:|
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21:12	Evergreen	You can't
21:12	VanessaE	there isn't one.
21:12	VanessaE	you have to use the map overview tool
21:12	VanessaE	(an external program that generates images)
21:12	Evergreen	minetest_mapper.py  is in minetest_directory/docs
21:13	Sokomine	there's an ingame mapping mod, but it's barely useful as it shows even less than you can see. it might be useful to see floor plans of the house you're in, but that's about it
21:13	Sokomine	press f5 - then you will see the coordinates. remember where you live and where your mine is
21:13	Sokomine	i recommend my travelnet-mod for easy travelling around (and finding back home)
21:15	Evergreen	The /home mod might be useful, the /warp mod probably will be too
21:15	cy1	Travelnet is fun. Less chunks need to load too. Teleportation ftw :>
21:16	Nocte|	My memory is so bad that I won't remember where the hell the places are. :D
21:16	cy1	minetest has a home mod, which is a button in the inventory, not /home. It's... kind of odd. Also the "sethome" button is riiiiight next to it, which has led to many a tragic home loss for me.
21:16	cy1	Nocte|: that's what notepad is for :|
21:17	cy1	VanessaE: your git URL seems to be hanging for me. Might it not be easier to use git --daemon and have git:// URLs?
21:17	cy1	No gitweb that way though, hm...
21:18	t3o	Sokomine: is there a webpage about Travelnet? I was thinking about doing somethin similar
21:18	Nocte|	Hmm... Are there 'windows' that doesn't require glass or such?
21:18	t3o	Nocte|: you can look through a door..
21:19	cy1	VanessaE: Then again your pack is... 700 megabytes. o.O
21:19	harrison	http://youtu.be/dzwqvuQ7bTk
21:20	Sokomine	t3o: like with all mods, there's a thread in the mt forum
21:20	Nocte|	A house without a roof! :D
21:20	Sokomine	see here: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4877  the minetest forum contains a lot of helpful informations
21:21	harrison	house with no roof -- sounds like an image from a malick film
21:22	Sokomine	i got a bit further with my (non-mt-related) recording attempt...so the cabling might be correct. still, a lot of white noise on the line. very odd
21:25	Nocte|	Woot. Now it got itself a roof. :D
21:25	t3o	k
21:25	Nocte|	Should I decorate the roof with stairs or not?
21:25	Peacock	or the bones of your enemies
21:26	Sokomine	depends on the house. do you have a picture?
21:27	Nocte|	Its just basic house made out of wooden planks.
21:28	Nocte|	5x4 squares large.
21:28	Sokomine	ah, ok. don't forget to do some sight-seeing on servers once you got the basics. there are some great buildings you can enjoy on the multiple servers
21:28	Sokomine	also, multiplayer is more fun :-)
21:29	Nocte|	Hehe.
21:29	VanessaE	cy1: can't be helped :-/
21:29	VanessaE	just let it finish, git doesn't give you status info during an http:// download.
21:29	VanessaE	meanwhile, I'm uploading a ZIP release.
21:29	Nocte|	Now I need a fence. :D
21:31	VanessaE	cy1: also, I show it being ~1.1GB
21:31	VanessaE	(after extracting the ZIP that's busy uploading now)
21:34	Nocte|	Too bad there's no gates in this game.
21:34	Nocte|	Would make sense if you had a fence.
21:34	VanessaE	there are gates provided by some mods
21:35	VanessaE	cottages, homedecor, probably others
21:36	Nocte|	Is there any 'Furniture' mod packs?
21:37	VanessaE	yes
21:37	VanessaE	lrfurn, homedecor
21:37	VanessaE	I think there's some stuff in cottages
21:37	cy1	VanessaE: It finished 100% no problems.
21:37	VanessaE	cy1: ok good
21:37	cy1	I think you can split up packs or something... not a git expert though.
21:38	cy1	Oh, "git doesn't give you status http://" that's what it is.
21:38	VanessaE	...which is dumb
21:38	VanessaE	surely it at least knows how much data it has received, if not how big the files are
21:39	Nocte|	Link? :D
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21:41	VanessaE	lrfurn, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5407 -- homedecor, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=26061 -- cottages, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5120
21:42	VanessaE	I'm sure there are more, those are the ones that come to mind.
21:44	Nocte|	Does the game autosave when I quit the game?
21:44	Menche	yes
21:44	VanessaE	yup
21:44	Menche	and periodically while playing
21:45	Menche	every 5.3 seconds i believe
21:49	Peacock	voxely enough? https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7813455360/h5FAB1A59/
21:49	VanessaE	haha
21:50	Peacock	after our last building marathon, i made us square hamburgers :D which was easy despite the stovetop being a 2x2 crafting grid
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22:18	dafull97	yay! have alot of new mods on server =D
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22:37	thefamilygrog66	howdy folks
22:37	VanessaE	hi
22:37	Peacock	Grooooooooooooooog!
22:37	Peacock	lol
22:37	thefamilygrog66	hey, saw yer map generator done with kaeza's picture mod, Peacock - nice work.
22:38	Peacock	actually didn't do much at all, more tweaking the picture itself
22:38	Peacock	still missing the 3d dimension - elevation
22:38	thefamilygrog66	ahh, still pretty cool though
22:38	Peacock	though i have terrain editors for raising the nodes, once the outline is there it's much easier
22:39	Peacock	wait until we build riven on it :P
22:39	thefamilygrog66	Never played riven... :O
22:40	Peacock	i never won at riven, but i have played lol
22:40	thefamilygrog66	I wonder how well it would reproduce city maps - Silent Hill, for example.
22:40	thefamilygrog66	brb. Oven smells hot.
22:41	Peacock	you'd have to create different palette for each map, but it should work yeah
22:42	VanessaE	bbl
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22:56	diemartin	http://kinghearts97.deviantart.com/gallery/ <-- this guy is awesome
23:03	diemartin	Peacock, imageloader returns the image as a 2D matrix of tables; using different channels for different purposes should be easy
23:04	diemartin	the tables have 'r', 'g', and 'b' fields, so you could use for example r and g for node data and b for height
23:09	Peacock	simpler still would be to just add a height key to the palette
23:09	Peacock	so that n colour = node * 3
23:09	Peacock	etc...
23:11	Peacock	right now tho im trying to figure why everytime i send a stone-only schematic, i get motherfuckin' trees and dirt too (pardon my french)
23:16	jin_xi	make your own stone node using the same texture and use that
23:34	Wuzzy	VanessaE I think the gitserver you mentioned before works now. :-)
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23:39	Peacock	i switched to sand, gonna see if that works :-)
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23:59	us{0gb	I have a node that is taller than a standard node (using node boxes), and the texture on the bottom repeats on the top. How do I specify a second texture for the top, or even better, how do I get one tall image to texture the whole node? I tried setting visual_scale to two, but that property seems to only effect plantlike nodes.

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