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00:02 * dafull97 is upset
00:02 dafull97 LOL
00:03 dafull97 Menche, ^
00:04 * kaeza puts a pony on princess Exio4's head
00:05 Menche it works for me
00:05 Menche did you get it from github?
00:05 dafull97 let me clear cache
00:06 dafull97 get?
00:06 Menche when i first cloned the repo, i had 0gb.us_game/0gb.us_game/
00:06 Menche (it was nested inside another folder
00:06 Menche )
00:06 dafull97 and how clear cache on minetest in Xubuntu
00:06 dafull97 yes i know
00:06 Menche rm -r ~/.minetest/cache
00:06 dafull97 i has been working for nearly a week
00:07 Menche does the exact path "~/.minetest/games/0gb.us_game/game.conf" exist?
00:07 dafull97 it*
00:08 dafull97 yes, but i aint using it right now
00:08 dafull97 mope still nothing for me
00:10 Menche i made a world with 0gb.us_game and it worked. i edited world.mt and changed the gameid to 'minetest' and it still worked.
00:10 Menche not sure what's wrong on your machine
00:10 dafull97 idk, its being retarded... ahha
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00:11 Menche minetest is finally running at a playable fps
00:12 Menche like 15-20
00:12 dafull97 LOL...
00:12 dafull97 dang,,]
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00:13 Menche i have 752M of ram!
00:14 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:14 dafull97 what is your graphic settings?
00:14 Menche dafull97: pretty much the lowest possible
00:14 dafull97 depends what kind of information it contains
00:14 * prestotron55 has 16GB of RAM
00:14 * dafull97 has 2gb ram :/
00:14 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:15 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:15 dafull97 where they release to?
00:16 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:16 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:16 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:16 dafull97 what is your relation to you?
00:17 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:18 codehero hmmmm. i just can't make the spawn rate of simplemobs go higher
00:18 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:19 Menche lol, to get the source code you have to email them telling why you want it??
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00:19 PilzAdam codehero, higher? isnt it high enough already?
00:19 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:19 Menche is crevis still based on minetest? it doens't say so
00:20 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:20 Menche the code... it looks like i'd have to email them to get it
00:20 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:20 codehero PilzAdam> nope. there are so few mobs
00:20 Menche it doesn't appear to say it is based on minetest
00:20 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:20 codehero you don't even have to build a house to survive
00:21 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:22 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:22 PilzAdam codehero, the 5th paramter of the register_spawn() calls is the inversed chance; decrease that
00:22 Menche lol, mediafire had a combination advertisement/captcha
00:22 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:22 Menche and credit to minetest seems scarce
00:23 dafull97 prestotron55 i dont see any adresses here
00:23 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:23 dafull97 that was only hope, other than that you are screwed, freedom of press
00:24 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:24 Menche "Crevis is a sandbox indie game that was started in 2005 by Niften" <-- ?
00:24 codehero ahhhhhhh. you have to decrease it
00:24 codehero thank you ^^
00:24 PilzAdam Menche, I guess thats his date of birth...
00:24 Menche so that's an outright lie?
00:24 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:24 Menche lol
00:25 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:25 * Evergreen peaks in
00:25 Menche so he slightly modified minetest and came up with an entirely bogus development history that doesn't credit minetest at all?
00:25 prestotron55 [deleted]
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00:26 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:26 dafull97 prestotron55, still no address ;?
00:26 Menche all you that what?
00:26 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
00:26 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:26 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:26 thefamilygrog66 quick question: how many nodes in diameter should a beanstalk be?
00:27 Menche ...is crevis even legal? i know you can legally take the code and modify it, but they go beyond not giving credit
00:27 Menche he states that he did it himself
00:27 codehero be happy that he doesn't spam on your forums :P
00:27 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:27 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:28 Menche ...something has to be done about this
00:28 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:28 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:28 PilzAdam its funny to watch the whole "company" coming here one after another and blaming the others
00:29 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:29 PilzAdam "contributing to Minetest" {{cn}}
00:29 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:30 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:30 dafull97 PilzAdam, i am glad you are here! Help? =D
00:30 dafull97 prestotron55, they fired you
00:31 dafull97 in the chat
00:31 Menche lol, this build looks tacky
00:31 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:31 dafull97 ok...
00:31 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:31 dafull97 for a couple
00:31 Menche only windows, they left the cache and source in, the folder is named "Crevis # Source"
00:32 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:32 dafull97 PilzAdam, i am glad you are here! Help? =D
00:32 dafull97 **BE RIGHT BACK**
00:33 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:33 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:33 Menche ?
00:33 Menche "Crevis # Source" is the name of the folder
00:33 Menche everything is in there, including the cache and src
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00:35 prestotron55 was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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00:35 PilzAdam prestotron55, its enough now, stop being offtopic
00:35 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:35 Menche PilzAdam, #minetest is offtopic 99.4% of the time, nothing new
00:36 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:36 Menche this is more ontopic than other times
00:36 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:36 Menche Crevis is based on minetest, so this is technically on-topic
00:36 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:37 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:37 PilzAdam Menche, these kids fighting are getting bored
00:37 PilzAdam *boring
00:37 prestotron55 [deleted]
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00:37 Menche is it any more boring than dead silence?
00:37 werwerwer does Crevis sell their game?
00:37 Menche werwerwer, no
00:37 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:38 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:38 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:38 thefamilygrog66 I've added beanstalks to my magic beans mod, and currently they have a diameter of 7 nodes - is that too many, and if so, how many would you make it? GO!
00:38 kaeza the problem is not selling; the problem is not providing source
00:38 Menche they provide source
00:38 PilzAdam Menche, I prefer silence
00:38 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:39 kaeza (unless you use, -NC content; that is a problem)
00:39 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:39 FreeFull Things are copyrighted by default
00:39 PilzAdam that too
00:39 Menche command for silence: /part #minetest
00:39 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:39 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:39 FreeFull The copyrights for Minetest's parts will belong to everyone who made those parts unless transferred
00:39 PilzAdam Menche, no, its !mute prestotron55
00:40 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:40 * thefamilygrog66 feels like he's being muted, ffs
00:40 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:40 Menche minetest_game/mods/README.txt plainly sais that it's copyright to celeron55
00:40 Menche *says
00:41 thefamilygrog66 Just looking for opinions...
00:41 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:41 Menche regardless, i think it's wrong that they made up a bogus development history that makes them the main developers
00:41 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:42 kaeza thefamilygrog66, that sounds a bit too big
00:42 thefamilygrog66 Thanks!
00:42 kaeza screenies? :3
00:42 thefamilygrog66 Sure, one sec...
00:42 Menche i'd make a comment on the crevis forums, but they seem to be down...
00:43 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:43 kaeza :I
00:43 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:44 PilzAdam prestotron55, floatlands are builtin in the engine and maybe they used my nether mod
00:44 kaeza so... release 2.5.0 and they are automatically more advanced than Minetest's 0.4.7?
00:44 PilzAdam do you have screenshots of their "hell"
00:44 kaeza wat
00:44 PilzAdam +?
00:44 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:44 Menche even if they have added their own stuff, the proper way to distribute it would be to say that it is a fork of minetest. or, if it's only in lua, distribute just the game mode.
00:45 PilzAdam Menche, we already had that a few weeks ago
00:45 Menche ?
00:45 PilzAdam Niften came here and said that its all prestotron55's fault
00:45 Menche fault about what?
00:45 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:45 * kaeza thinks Crevis smell like trolls
00:45 PilzAdam Menche, basically exactly the same what prestotron55 is saying about Niften now
00:45 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:46 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:46 PilzAdam Menche, thats why its getting boring
00:46 Menche so, both think that copying minetest is wrong, and evidently one of them can change that...
00:47 Evergreen I agree with this guy:   https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=112472#p112472
00:47 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:47 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:47 Menche the site seems to say that Niften is the main dev
00:47 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:48 prestotron55 [deleted]
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00:49 paramat thefamilygrog66, 7 is not to big and makes a good cylinder, 6 doesnt, 5 makes a boxy cylinder.
00:49 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:49 PilzAdam Evergreen, answered
00:49 Menche are the crevis forums even up?
00:50 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:50 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:50 PilzAdam prestotron55, you two are like the same person to me
00:50 thefamilygrog66 Thanks paramat, I might have to go with 3 or 5 though - it's a bit slow as is...
00:51 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:51 Menche perhaps this discussion could be moved to #crevis
00:51 Menche there's nobody else there...
00:53 prestotron55 [deleted]
00:54 thefamilygrog66 kaeza: here's one - 7 nodes wide (circular), plant-like with default_leaves texture right now (gonna make my own). There's a 20x20 platform at the top that looks like cloud, but you can stand on it.
00:54 thefamilygrog66 http://i.imgur.com/ANiMNFd.png
00:55 thefamilygrog66 oh yeah, they grow to top of cloud level by default
00:56 paramat i know how to make that twist randomly as it goes up :)
00:57 thefamilygrog66 cool, that sounds like some crazy math
00:58 thefamilygrog66 right now, 1 in 20 random nodes is replaced with air, to give it a less uniform, more organic, look
00:58 ShadowNinja I like paramat's idea. Lighting glitches also need fixing.
00:58 Exio4 kaeza, libere el celular
00:59 Exio4 llame a personal y en un tramite de dos minutos el celular esta libre de companias
00:59 Exio4 y como tiene el rom de fabrica, es 0% personal
00:59 thefamilygrog66 yeah, I think the lighting glitches are caused by the "cloud" platform
00:59 Exio4 :DDDD
00:59 ShadowNinja You are using the VM?
00:59 thefamilygrog66 the whatnow?
01:00 Exio4 if the bugs were trivial to fix, there weren't any bugs about that
01:00 ShadowNinja LuaManualMapVoxelManipulator.
01:00 thefamilygrog66 not that I know of...
01:01 ShadowNinja You are using set_node/add_node?
01:01 thefamilygrog66 minetest.set_node, yes
01:02 paramat the twist would be by perlin noise. 'VM' = lua voxel manipulator.
01:02 paramat LVM is only is 0.4.7 latest git
01:02 paramat (.. only in ..)
01:02 zat me too <3
01:03 zat sorry wrong tab
01:03 thefamilygrog66 me too <3
01:03 Exio4 todos te amamos zat
01:03 Exio4 cuando nos podriamos encontrar? <3
01:03 zat No sé... ¿pero como para qué clase de reunión?
01:03 thefamilygrog66 I'm just using 0.4.7
01:03 zat >////<
01:04 Exio4 zat, no es necesario decir explicitamente que tipo de reunion busco... :>
01:04 zat <///< oh
01:04 Exio4 solo con decirte que no vas a dormir de noche aclaro el tema demasiado! >:D
01:04 zat Eso significa fiesta.
01:04 paramat once you've tested it in 0.4.7 it can be converted to a fast LVM version later fairly easily
01:04 Exio4 party hard
01:04 zat yes lol
01:05 Exio4 bueh, yo hablo de lo que viene despues de la fiesta cuando andan todos re enfiestados y con sangre en alcohol (?)
01:05 zat Para mí eso es caña.
01:05 Exio4 (no, cuando hay demasiado alcohol dejas de tener alcohol en sangre, a tener sangre en el alcohol)
01:05 zat oh sí
01:05 thefamilygrog66 I think I'm just gonna keep it manually coded for now, and learn LVM once 0.4.8 is released soon™
01:06 Exio4 i'd learn it now so you are ready to the "soon" moment
01:06 thefamilygrog66 makes no sense if I'm not running the latest git
01:07 paramat yeah :)
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01:08 thefamilygrog66 but I'll definitely look into that - sounds interesting
01:08 thefamilygrog66 right now, it's just using loops to stack (imperfect) circles up to cloud level
01:09 paramat the cloud platform nodes should have 'light propagates = true' in the definition
01:09 thefamilygrog66 gonna experiment with smaller diameters to see if it speeds it up
01:09 thefamilygrog66 cool, thanks - I'll add that
01:10 paramat yeah i'd go 5 nodes
01:10 thefamilygrog66 that allows light to pass through it, right?
01:10 paramat yes
01:10 thefamilygrog66 i.e. sunlight
01:10 thefamilygrog66 right on
01:10 paramat i'm biased towards odd number diameters
01:10 xiong What? But clouds cause shadows. They should.
01:11 paramat odd number has a central node
01:11 thefamilygrog66 magic clouds, xiong
01:11 thefamilygrog66 that's what I figure as well, paramat
01:11 xiong Don't want a unicorn game.
01:11 thefamilygrog66 yes, I do in fact want a freaking unicorn game
01:11 thefamilygrog66 well, maybe not unicorns, but this is a magic beans mod, after all
01:12 xiong I thought about a 'unicorn' mod. Unicorns roaming around, of course; nyan cats and rainbows everywhere, magic dust, ice cream cones, sugar plum fairies.
01:12 xiong Should cause anyone not a 7-year-old girl to go into instant hyperglycemia.
01:12 thefamilygrog66 also, it's a mod that was inspired by my 6 year old son, so it's meant to be fun, as games generally should be
01:13 xiong This is not a game, it's a model.
01:13 paramat is there a stalk in the centre of the leaves? how big?
01:13 thefamilygrog66 your opinion, xiong
01:13 xiong Games have rules and goals.
01:13 xiong I mean, explicitly.
01:13 thefamilygrog66 do they now?
01:14 thefamilygrog66 or sometimes they're simply play
01:15 thefamilygrog66 paramat, no stalk at the moment - it's all climbable plantlike nodes
01:16 paramat oh cool climable :) i keep forgetting to use that
01:16 thefamilygrog66 I had to make them plantlike; otherwise, it was like I was passing through solid nodes
01:16 thefamilygrog66 also have to make it not walkable
01:17 thefamilygrog66 (if it's climbable)
01:17 paramat make all nodes climbable = spiderman
01:17 xiong "Simply play" is a toy or a model, depending on adherence to a prototype. I'm not just venting my opinion; I'm talking about the English language, which is not my construction. I don't mean to be a prig about it but what else is there if we can't agree on the dictionary?
01:18 thefamilygrog66 I guess that sandbox games fall in a bit of a grey area then, xiong.
01:18 xiong "When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."
01:19 xiong A "sandbox game" is a model or a toy. I mean, really. Check it out.
01:19 xiong I'm not some... vendor of meaning. Shakespeare was such a person.
01:19 Exio4 the fuck
01:20 thefamilygrog66 I suppose if you want to get semantic about it, xiong, sure it's a model or toy. But it's still a grey area, since there are rules and "goals" as you mentioned.
01:21 xiong Dunno why you're arguing, thefamilygrog66. What if I just say "You're right"?
01:22 Peacock i guess today is anal day on #minetest XD
01:22 thefamilygrog66 I guess what I'm saying xiong is it's open to interpretation as to exactly  what it is. It is something different for everyone, okay?
01:22 Peacock everytime i glance at irc some argument is happening
01:22 xiong It's not anal to be correct. Or do you want to argue Freudianism now?
01:22 Peacock do you dream about cigars or bananas?
01:23 thefamilygrog66 It's a game to some, a model to others.
01:23 xiong Why is important to you?
01:23 thefamilygrog66 You were the one who brought it up: "This is not a game, it's a model."
01:24 xiong There are words that mean precise things; and if you use them then everyone knows what you mean. The goal of talking is to communicate, no?
01:24 xiong Correct.
01:24 xiong This is pointless. If you don't see the distinction, I'm just making noise. Sorry.
01:25 thefamilygrog66 I see what you're saying, but the fact is: people play games with this "model". Period.
01:25 xiong This is why nobody understands me. I use words to indicate what I mean, not just arbitrarily; and people either don't know or don't care what they mean.
01:25 Exio4 also, a lot of people doesn't speak english natively
01:25 Peacock or maybe people are just trying to relax since this is a game :P
01:26 xiong I look forward to death, I really do. It's been a miserable 53 years and I'll be well out of it.
01:26 Exio4 and uses terms "correlated" to his/her native language
01:27 thefamilygrog66 xiong, you do understand that people play games with this, don't you?
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01:28 thefamilygrog66 I'm not pulling this out of my ass.
01:28 xiong Yes, you can play a game with a toy. For example, I can hold up a Rubik's Cube and say, "Let's see how fast you and I can solve this. The shortest time wins." If you agree to those rules and that goal, then we are playing a game with a toy.
01:29 thefamilygrog66 Do you have children?
01:29 Peacock i should hope not lol
01:30 xiong The brutal thing about English, which offends nearly everyone I meet, is that words are not blunt instruments but razor-sharp scalpels; they cut through all desires of the Humpty-Dumpty variety.
01:31 Exio4 anyway, spanish and italian are better languages than english!
01:31 xiong "On" is not the same as "in". Computer programmers, as a rule, work with languages with especially precise definitions; and in my experience, tend to think English is so fuzzy there's no point in being precise in it.
01:31 Peacock oddly enough i find english to be one of the more ambiguous languages i've come across :P french, german and mandarin offer more precision
01:32 zat I agree with all of ouy.
01:32 xiong Naturally, lawyers come at it from another angle; and I doubt any useful program will ever be written by a lawyer; or a useful contract by software guy.
01:32 zat you*
01:32 Inocudom The English language was designed to create a practical and warlike people, so I can see it as being depressing. And you wonder why it is the international language of the future...
01:32 Peacock lawyers are all about finding ways around laws using semantics :P programmers have to stick to the language rules else it doesn't work
01:33 thefamilygrog66 One thing I've re-learned as a father is that games are sometimes not as rigid as your academic definition, xiong. Sometimes these "rules" and "goals" are open to interpretation.
01:33 PilzAdam bye
01:34 Inocudom If the child within dies, the person is dead. Remember that always.
01:34 xiong Everything in human activity is open to interpretation. Ask me again why I'm antisocial.
01:34 * Peacock pushes PilzAdam's power button
01:34 * Peacock runs away
01:34 Inocudom I am learning that crucial lesson.
01:34 zat I agree with all of you.
01:34 Peacock lol this is the weirdest conversation on #minetest yet
01:34 zat I agree with that too.
01:35 Peacock anyone looking forward to the Breaking Bad Finale?
01:35 zat I agree http://i.imgur.com/WHDN6.png
01:35 Inocudom How might you view this video? http://youtu.be/zPSH6-UC4Og
01:35 prestotron55 [deleted]
01:35 thefamilygrog66 Peacock, yes.
01:35 thefamilygrog66 night prestrotron55
01:36 thefamilygrog66 *prestotron66
01:36 thefamilygrog66 dammit
01:36 Inocudom It is a video of a guy handling a male carpenter bee.
01:36 Peacock *prostatetron :P
01:36 thefamilygrog66 ^only funny to old guys like us
01:36 Inocudom Takes place in Japan.
01:36 Peacock prostate exam? i wont even let a doctor wag a finger in my face :P
01:37 prestotron55 [deleted]
01:37 Inocudom I sometimes find it appropriate to call carpenter bees griefer bees.
01:37 thefamilygrog66 run as soon as you see the rubber glove
01:37 Peacock heck i can't even stand the sight of needles lol
01:37 Peacock last time i took the cat to the vet, she took it better than me lol
01:38 paramat lol PA was Peacock's creation all this time?
01:38 Peacock I didn't create PilzAdam :P
01:39 Peacock nor did i create PulseAudio, but if i did, i wouldn't own up to it anyways :P
01:39 Inocudom The man is able to hold the male griefer (carpenter) bee because it has no stinger. Might be able to pinch with its small mandibles however.
01:39 thefamilygrog66 I had a diabetic cat for awhile - kept her alive for 6.5 years with two shots a day, Peacock
01:39 * prestotron55 found an article that states "Peacock created PilzAdam as of 2010"
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01:39 dafull97 Hey guys
01:40 zat I agree with all of you
01:40 Peacock PilzAdam is german, im Canadian, i'd have to have a pretty big/long one to create him lol
01:40 * thefamilygrog66 disagrees with zat, just for the heck of it.
01:40 Inocudom Including the male griefer bee?
01:40 thefamilygrog66 Hey, why not.
01:41 * prestotron55 also found another article that states "Peacock has a long one"
01:41 Inocudom Though, I think only female griefer (carpenter) bees actually drill holes.
01:41 Peacock i wont deny that
01:41 Inocudom Thus, they are the only ones that "grief" woodwork on buildings.
01:42 Peacock (who would?)
01:42 prestotron55 [deleted]
01:43 thefamilygrog66 Do I need to worry about paramtype = "light", ?
01:43 Peacock your mother wouldn't
01:43 dafull97 VanessaE, you here?
01:43 prestotron55 [deleted]
01:43 Exio4 why the fuck you use @
01:44 thefamilygrog66 Mom's writing lua again?
01:44 Exio4 this, is, NOT, twitter
01:44 dafull97 haha
01:44 thefamilygrog66 hashtag yolo
01:44 dafull97 LOL, Exio4
01:44 prestotron55 [deleted]
01:44 Exio4 #yoloswag @thefamilygrog66
01:44 Exio4 RS @daful97 LOL
01:44 dafull97 RS? im lost =P
01:44 Exio4 reshare
01:44 Exio4 or is it RT?
01:45 dafull97 haha, ohh...
01:45 Exio4 i don't know
01:45 prestotron55 [deleted]
01:45 Exio4 k
01:45 dafull97 i don't use twiiter so idk
01:45 Exio4 i'm not a twitter sucker
01:45 dafull97 twitter*
01:45 Peacock RT is a Russian news agency :P
01:45 Exio4 i have accounts for having sms-for-free notifications
01:46 kaeza \o\ \o| |o| |o/ /o/
01:46 kaeza pong?
01:46 Exio4 pang
01:48 kaeza !tw lkaezadl3
01:48 MinetestBot @Dinnerbone That looks interestingly similar to #minetest 's scheme for naming blocks. (@lkaezadl3)
01:48 kaeza :D
01:50 Inocudom Another video of a male Japanese "Griefer" (Carpenter) Bee: http://youtu.be/orvlrNVef2U
01:53 paramat thefamilygrog66, "paramtype = "light", ?" was thinking about that, nodeboxes blend better with full nodes that way
01:54 prestotron55 [deleted]
01:54 Inocudom I saw a male "griefer" (carpenter) bee in the wood shed near my house today. He was sleepy and looked at me sometimes.
01:54 Exio4 the fuck
01:54 thefamilygrog66 thanks paramat, I'm experimenting with it with plantlike nodes
01:55 Inocudom I think tree leaves would drop the framerate less if there was a way or a mod that drew them like plantlike nodes.
01:55 paramat the beanstalk is cool and fun, you know how i like big structures :)
01:55 Inocudom Like flowers and grass are drawn.
01:56 paramat you can do that, i tried it
01:56 prestotron55 [deleted]
01:57 Inocudom It could be future mod or option supporting tiny trees, default trees, farming plus, and moretrees.
01:57 * prestotron55 is working on a pony mod that supports farming_plus for feeding them
01:58 Inocudom I think it should be a base game option. Not only do leaves look more realistic that way, they are also transparent and don't drop framerate too much.
01:58 Inocudom Melkor made MLP models based on cubes once.
01:59 dafull97 How do i set default privs for all players
01:59 dafull97 ?
02:00 prestotron55 [deleted]
02:00 paramat leaves are plants after all -> plantlike drawtype. anyway it looked cool i prefer it to the default drawtype
02:02 cy1 Having trouble connecting. It keeps taking a long time. <.< I think it might be downloading stuff every time?
02:02 Inocudom Actually, Gambit (not Melkor) was the one who made the models. The link to their post is here: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?pid=19911#p19911
02:04 cy1 Especially "Item Textures"
02:04 cy1 Is there a cache size I should increase...?
02:04 prestotron55 [deleted]
02:05 cy1 Well that would obviously take long to regenerate :p
02:05 prestotron55 [deleted]
02:06 cy1 Depends what server you're downloading everything from
02:06 * xiong waits for prestotron55 to complete 'pony' so he can fork it to 'unicorn'
02:06 prestotron55 [deleted]
02:07 dafull97 what about the minettest.conf?
02:07 prestotron55 [deleted]
02:08 xiong Yah well, prestotron55, when the unicorn rolls out, you may not want to be associated with it. So I'll put your name up front. ;)
02:08 xiong The trees will drop juice boxes.
02:09 prestotron55 [deleted]
02:10 cy1 Are Land Rush servers slower?
02:10 NakedFury what are land rush servers?
02:10 prestotron55 [deleted]
02:10 cy1 No idea.
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02:11 Mossmanikin Hi folks
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02:11 cy1 prestotron55: Shouldn't the mods only lag once though, for initial download?
02:11 xiong I think all protection schemes slow down the server, cy1. Every action has to be checked to see if it's valid.
02:11 prestotron55 [deleted]
02:11 cy1 Ugh, yeah the anticheats...
02:13 xiong Ugh. Actually the first thing to do is not a unicorn but a nyan cat mob.
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02:14 prestotron55 [deleted]
02:14 xiong Well, that's what I mean by 'unicorn'. All of it -- unicorns, cats, rainbows, juice boxes, cotton candy, stars.
02:14 xiong Magic wands, you craft them out of stars and sticks.
02:15 prestotron55 [deleted]
02:15 xiong Oh dear, you think I'm serious. I loathe the whole idea; that's why I keep extending it.
02:16 xiong There are no rules for a unicorn mod. The cow can jump over the moon or not.
02:16 prestotron55 [deleted]
02:16 xiong I guess the idea is not original with me. :(
02:17 prestotron55 [deleted]
02:17 xiong Ha ha, I don't have the skills... yet.
02:17 prestotron55 [deleted]
02:18 xiong Honestly, my involvement would be driven by raw hatred and only last as long as my rage.
02:18 xiong If you want to swap education for labor, pick another mod.
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02:19 prestotron55 [deleted]
02:19 xiong I try never to go offline. :)
02:19 prestotron55 [deleted]
02:19 ShadowNinja xiong: Depends on the protection mod, one like mine takes a (almost?) immeasurable amount of time to check actions. Ones that check nearby nodes like Zeg9's protector may take longer.
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02:19 xiong ShadowNinja, which one is yours?
02:20 * prestotron55 and Zeg9 are partnered on ponies!
02:21 ShadowNinja I haven't actually profiled it, but I imagine it would be 6.7e-10s or so. xiong: Areas, see github, the forum, and the mmdb.
02:21 xiong Ah, 'areas'.
02:21 ShadowNinja It is similar to node_ownership.
02:21 xiong I'll tell you what I *want*, if you care.
02:22 ShadowNinja Feature request?
02:22 xiong The trouble, IMO, with all protection schemes is that they lead to chaotic development, with huge land grabs and no roads.
02:22 xiong I like land rush because it forces claims to chunks; but I dislike it because claims take the whole chunk, leaving no room for roads.
02:22 ShadowNinja That is up to mods in my mod. (no pun intended)
02:23 xiong What I'd like to see is a scheme whereby a player is given some private property -- on a grid! -- and a public easement automatically made. The easement can be set as fully public or restricted to the admin class.
02:24 xiong Also I want a back end, so claims can be tied into a Cash Money payment scheme.
02:25 ShadowNinja What about roads? This just sounds like landclaim_0gb_us with bigger areas and auto-/claim
02:25 xiong Dunno, haven't seen 0gb's fork.
02:25 ShadowNinja Fork? Landrysh is a fork of landclaim_0gb_us.
02:26 xiong My theory is that after the map is generated, a script should force roads everywhere on the map in a predictable grid.
02:26 ShadowNinja Landrush*
02:26 xiong Okay, it's the other way around. Which is the fork, which is the reality? Meh.
02:27 ShadowNinja A fork with some *cough* issues... (Code-style wise)
02:27 xiong I think it's silly that to visit somebody's build, you generally end up twisting an ankle... or falling off a cliff.
02:28 ShadowNinja xiong: With flat mapgen that would work, or really smart road-making.
02:28 xiong If you leave highway construction up to individuals, they are haphazard, unconnected, and barely useful.
02:28 xiong No no, roads bore tunnels in my scheme. Straight and level at Sea Level.
02:28 ShadowNinja Otherwise the read will just lead you off the cliff.
02:29 xiong The road may or may not be immediately useful to neighbors; they'll have to build access down to it, perhaps.
02:29 xiong Flat worlds suck.
02:30 ShadowNinja Hmmm, but players will undoubtedly want to switch areas, and the space would get used up fast.
02:30 xiong Eh?
02:30 xiong How used up? I don't follow, sorry.
02:30 ShadowNinja Players would get areas and soon you would need to travel very far to get places.
02:31 xiong Well, isn't that always so?
02:31 Peacock make it so, numba one
02:31 cy1 Well now it's taking like 20 min to login.
02:31 ShadowNinja Nope, it isn't on my server, it is rather compact.
02:31 xiong Roads make it easier to spread out; they relieve congestion.
02:31 xiong The script should also be able to be set to produce subways also/instead.
02:32 ShadowNinja I only protect things that need protection though.
02:32 xiong In fact, there's much to be said in favor of subways.
02:32 cy1 xiong: My problem with protection schemes is you can get stranded somewhere with no food, tools, monsters everywhere and then you fall in a hole :p
02:32 cy1 Especially when they protect a large area around spawn.
02:32 xiong Yah, well that's all protection, yes.
02:32 xiong There's also a lot to be said for private servers.
02:33 * ShadowNinja only protects -/+15, VE does similarly.
02:33 xiong It's very annoying when there's a lot of protection in effect and no roads. You just can't hike across country without occasionally digging or placing a block.
02:33 cy1 What slows down the server isn't those though. It's the simulated digging. It redigs every block you dig, checking the physics and such to make sure you're not digging too fast.
02:33 ShadowNinja Of course fixing rollback would make this easier.
02:33 cy1 That's why sometimes you will dig a bunch of stuff, it will reappear, and then the blocks will start disappearing in the order you dug them.
02:34 cy1 checking "is area owned by X" with every interact is a lot less processing.
02:34 ShadowNinja cy1: That should be rather fast, the replay is from lag.
02:35 cy1 ShadowNinja: When you've got a dozen people digging as fast as they can, it's going to slow the server down.
02:35 ShadowNinja cy1: far less than 1ms of checking will make a big difference?
02:35 xiong Now you're getting into core engine issues; I don't wanna fight those guys.
02:36 cy1 Agreed, xiong...
02:36 ShadowNinja Most protection mods have no effect on lag.
02:36 xiong So 'land rush' and Orby's private scheme are the only offenders?
02:37 ShadowNinja Unless you are annoyed by nano-second lag.
02:37 ShadowNinja xiong: Offenders of what?
02:37 cy1 I've said for years that anti-speed-hax are what makes a game suck. But whatever's making it frikkin impossible to get the media from a server, that is bugging me.
02:38 ShadowNinja cy1: anti-cheat got fixed (hopefully) semi-recently.
02:38 cy1 xiong: I think they're offenders because they have a lot of images and music, and minetest likes to download that stuff at like 300 bytes per second or something.
02:38 cy1 ShadowNinja: Haven't looked at it in a while honestly, so yeah it could be better.
02:38 ShadowNinja I think it is only in 0.4.7-dev.
02:39 ShadowNinja It's been so long that it probably is. ;-)
02:41 Exio4 ShadowNinja: more like 1ms of lag lets say
02:41 Exio4 the lua->C and C->lua overhead of the calls and stuff like that
02:42 xiong No sound, I say. None.
02:42 ShadowNinja Exio4: To iterate through a table with maybe 1000 entries and do some simple number comparison?
02:42 cy1 The ABMs make servers really laggy. <.<
02:42 Exio4 o
02:42 Exio4 o
02:42 Exio4 fuck. sorry, keyboard got stuck
02:42 cy1 elephant in the room, I know
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02:42 Exio4 ShadowNinja: i'm pretty sure it will take 1ms, at least
02:42 ShadowNinja Exio4: My mod uses no Lua->C calls in it's protection checker.
02:43 Exio4 C->lua though
02:43 xiong If I want sound, I'll play it myself. I lived in this apartment for nearly two years before putting on a CD.
02:43 _2cool4me4_ The project has grown, I see.
02:43 ShadowNinja It is called from Lua, C only calls minetedt.node_dig/item_place.
02:44 * thefamilygrog66 would rather perform music than listen to others', usually
02:44 Exio4 how slow is lua when iterating over a table?
02:44 Exio4 i'm pretty sure it'll take a bit
02:45 ShadowNinja Exio4: https://github.com/ShadowNinja​/areas/blob/master/api.lua#L4 I bet it will be less than a tenth of a milisecond.
02:46 ShadowNinja But I can't test now.
02:46 ShadowNinja I have a copy of redcrab's owners.tbl to test with.
02:46 ShadowNinja (800+ entries)
02:48 thefamilygrog66 Very odd - there is supposed to be a square of "cloud" generated at the top of the beanstalk, and there usually is, but sometimes there are "bites" taken out of the square.
02:48 thefamilygrog66 i.e. random nodes removed, usually at the edges
02:49 ShadowNinja thefamilygrog66: Pointed or rounded bites?
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02:50 thefamilygrog66 ShadowNinja, here's an example: http://i.imgur.com/qFJkXHs.png
02:51 thefamilygrog66 As I mentioned, they're usually perfect squares.
02:52 thefamilygrog66 Is it possible that the -real- clouds would interfere at the moment these are being generated?
02:52 ShadowNinja thefamilygrog66: Looks like cavegen. VanessaE is more of an expert on this though.
02:53 thefamilygrog66 It's strange.
02:57 dafull97 how to give all players privs?
02:58 thefamilygrog66 default_privs = interact, shout, teleport, settime, privs, ...
02:58 thefamilygrog66 in the minetest.conf file, dafull97
02:58 thefamilygrog66 just specify which privs in that line
02:58 dafull97 i thought so, why do players that already playing dont get them?
02:59 thefamilygrog66 only when joining the first time
02:59 thefamilygrog66 same with give initial stuff
02:59 dafull97 how do i give player palying already them privs?
02:59 thefamilygrog66 you'd have to manually grant them privs if they've already joined
02:59 thefamilygrog66 example: /grant dafull97 fly
03:00 dafull97 crap :/
03:00 dafull97 yea ok.. haha
03:01 NakedFury write that down in a note
03:02 dafull97 who?
03:02 NakedFury you
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03:04 Mossmanikin very interesting to follow a conversation about something I know shit about ;) need some sleep, bye, later
03:05 Inocudom I mentioned earlier that there could be a future mod or feature that could draw tree leaves like flowers are drawn (plantlike.)
03:06 thefamilygrog66 Yes.
03:06 Inocudom Might save on fps and look more leaflike.
03:06 ShadowNinja dafull97: Or you could write a mod that iterates through minetest.auth_table and grants the privs.
03:06 Inocudom Less polygons will be drawn with such a feature.
03:07 paramat thefamilygrog66, you can disable cavegen in mineteset.conf. That looks like cavegen griefing, what y is that? usually occurs near chunk boundaries (47, 127)
03:07 ShadowNinja Inocudom: That would be just about as slow as allfaces.
03:07 dafull97 no clue how write a mod
03:08 paramat ... so you could redefine cloud level away from a chunk boundary
03:08 Inocudom It would? Would it result in any framerate gain at all?
03:08 ShadowNinja You could also modify auth.txt with shell/python/whatever.
03:08 thefamilygrog66 Haha, paramat: it's 127 - the same height that the tops of clouds reach.
03:08 paramat :)
03:09 Inocudom I know that nodebox models cause a significant drop in framerate if there is a bunch of them.
03:09 thefamilygrog66 e.g. jungletrees?
03:09 ShadowNinja Inocudom: Yes, as it is two rather than six transparent faces. But you can't use occlusion culling or anything.
03:09 thefamilygrog66 though jungletrees are just straight up nodes
03:10 Inocudom What would occlusion culling do if Minetest had it?
03:11 paramat drawtype plantlike with non transparent textues: just 2 squares intersecting, that's what i tried, i think it may be the simplest and fastest?
03:11 ShadowNinja Inocudom: I mean not drawing nodes surrounded by solid nodes, whatever that is called.
03:14 Exio4 don't we have it?
03:14 dafull97 that would be a good mod, make a "Control room" in the server only admins can enter... then make it so its a GUI Server Customizer
03:14 Exio4 i thought we had that
03:16 ShadowNinja Exio4: Yes, exactly. But you can't do that with plantlike as you can see through.
03:17 Inocudom Leaves drawn with plantlike might be transparent anyway.
03:19 Exio4 http://forums.civfanatics.c​om/showthread.php?t=463488
03:20 Exio4 apply this to builtin ^
03:20 Exio4 inb4 15% improvement in speed
03:23 kaeza Exio4, the ipairs() thing depends if it's stock Lua or Jit
03:24 kaeza I remember doing a similar benchmark with mixed results
03:25 Exio4 a linear array is still faster
03:25 Exio4 and the same applies to local caches
03:26 kaeza yep, most of those tips are good
03:27 kaeza in particular, ditch the foo["bar"] form and use foo.bar whenever `bar' is constant/known in advance
03:27 Exio4 i know
03:27 Exio4 kaeza
03:27 Exio4 what do you think about a nokia n9
03:28 Exio4 i know nokia now sucks thanks to elop
03:28 Exio4 and that shit
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03:29 kaeza dunno
03:29 codehero yeah, nokia sucks \o/
03:29 kaeza mosr nokia phones are (were?) top of the line for the price
03:29 dafull97 PilzAdam, you here?
03:30 kaeza most*
03:30 codehero do you know newkia? :P
03:33 Exio4 codehero: the n9/950 were good phones, though
03:33 Exio4 i may get an used n9 with a locked provider
03:33 Exio4 if i get one, i'll unlock it and put my SIM in it
03:33 Exio4 (tl;dr i get a decent unlocked phone for cheap)
03:36 codehero yeah the old nokias were good
03:37 codehero you could even throw them out of the second floor and they'd survive :P
03:37 Exio4 ew
03:37 Exio4 not second, more like third!
03:41 dafull97 Exio4, are you a Modder? Developer?
03:41 dafull97 nothing?
03:41 dafull97 member of Community? haha
03:41 dafull97 !up 5.231.69.196 30000
03:41 MinetestBot 5.231.69.196:30000 is up (99ms)
03:42 dafull97 nice, have good conenction hah
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03:45 Exio4 dafull97: i'm not a modder, and more like a casual developer, and from nonhere of the community
03:45 dafull97 oh, nice haha
03:46 dafull97 im a newer server provider... learning as muc has i can so i can help other people
03:46 Exio4 i code random stuff for me, and some uber-simple changes to MT
03:47 Exio4 anyway
03:47 Exio4 it is getting late there, and i should go to sleep
03:48 Peacock there or here? :P
03:48 Exio4 i don't know
03:48 Exio4 night
03:48 Peacock nite
03:48 dafull97 haha, what i was about to say.. Peacock
03:48 Peacock just processed 110 textures lol testing them will be fun
03:49 Exio4 :P
03:49 Exio4 english isn't my native language and i learned it from irc
03:49 Peacock english ain't mine either so dont wory :P
03:49 Exio4 i'm proud of being able to spell hi! :D
03:49 Peacock *worry lol
03:49 * Exio4 yawns
03:50 dafull97 haha, english is my native... i though both you were...
03:50 dafull97 can do really good...
03:51 Exio4 i'm argentinian, and i can barely speak english, if you didn't realize english isn't my native tongue, it is weird :P
03:51 Exio4 whatever, closed the running shit, night
03:53 dafull97 night... and you can tell a little
03:53 dafull97 not enough to matter
03:53 dafull97 =P
03:53 kaeza funny how some non-native speakers write way better than some native ones
03:56 dafull97 kaeza, what that suppose to mean?
03:57 kaeza :I
03:58 kaeza nvm
03:58 dafull97 trying say i cannot write my own language? saying im dumb?
04:01 kaeza I never pointed at anyone in particular
04:02 kaeza and never said it was dumb
04:03 kaeza please do read before over-reacting
04:05 dafull97 im not overreacting... i assumed... sorry for that
04:08 Peacock naw, native english really do have worse english than people for whom it's a second language :P
04:08 Peacock i live in Quebec, i should know :P
04:38 xiong Very few of my fellow Americans are able to speak, write, read English or even understand it when it's spoken.
04:39 dafull97 Peacock, what time is it there?
04:39 xiong For what it's worth, I find that English is usually spoken with great correctness by Indians.
04:40 Peacock only half past midnight, i havent made dinner yet
04:40 dafull97 same here
04:40 dafull97 haha
04:41 Peacock gonna make sausages and patate au gratin lol
04:42 dafull97 12:40 there right?
04:43 Peacock 43 now yeah lol
04:44 dafull97 well i just rounded =P
04:45 dafull97 come on my server =P
04:45 Peacock im still testing out 110 new textures :P
04:46 Peacock i shit you not: http://s14.postimg.org/nrsqms​qcx/screenshot_1745455101.png
04:47 dafull97 i know heard you say somthing about it earlier
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04:48 dafull97 stupid net
04:48 dafull97 haha
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04:49 VanessaE hi all
04:53 dafull97 Hey VanessaE!
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05:00 dafull97 us^0gb... changed your name?
05:01 us^0gb I change my name every time I log in now, because I'm weird.
05:01 us^0gb I have six names to choose from.
05:02 dafull97 ohh.. im working on my server haha... jsut get home?
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05:03 us^0gb I did, yes. THere's quite a storm out and it's a half hour walk home.
05:03 us^0gb I just stripped, my clothes are drenched.
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05:06 dafull97 sucks haha
05:07 us^0gb Not too much though. The human body dries amazingly quickly.
05:08 us^0gb Only my scalp is still wet.
05:09 Peacock ive often thought that myself when skinning my victims
05:09 Peacock http://storiesbehindthescreen.files​.wordpress.com/2011/10/silence2.jpg
05:11 us^0gb WHo is that?
05:11 Peacock you never saw Silence of the Lambs?
05:11 dafull97 nopee... haha
05:11 Peacock and you claim to be American :P
05:11 Peacock its a classic :p
05:11 us^0gb No. I don';t watch movies. THough I have heard of it.
05:12 dafull97 so.. haha
05:12 us^0gb Not everyone in North or South America has to watch movies.
05:12 dafull97 i heard of it like us^0gb said
05:12 VanessaE I've never seen it either, Peacock
05:12 dafull97 haha
05:12 Peacock you have no excuse :P you're old enough
05:12 VanessaE I have no desire to see it.
05:13 us^0gb I'm old enough to drink and gamble. THat doesn't mean I have to though. The same goes for watching movies.
05:13 Peacock its been my experience that most geeks dont do much at all :P
05:13 Peacock good or bad
05:15 us^0gb Hmm. Fair enough. I'm a geek "want to be". Does that count?
05:16 dafull97 need help with lua error
05:17 Peacock wannabe or certified, are you the guy that doesnt like to get layed or am i mixing you up with someone else?
05:17 us^0gb The asexual? Yeah, that's me.
05:17 us^0gb What's the error?
05:17 Peacock yeah, you're not a wannabe geek, you are a geek :P
05:17 * dafull97 needs help with Lua
05:18 dafull97 going sleep and getting tired
05:18 Peacock then why mention your error? :P
05:18 dafull97 i meant soon haha'
05:18 Peacock lol aiight next time :P
05:19 dafull97 want to fix this so i dont have to do it in the mourn ahah
05:19 Peacock http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb200607​11034324/memoryalpha/en/images/9/91/Morn.jpg
05:19 Peacock Morn agrees
05:20 dafull97 http://pastebin.com/NQBctL7W
05:20 Peacock pastebin the code too
05:21 us^0gb Post the ... Oops, too slow.
05:21 Peacock i have a feeling it may be the singlequote but i need to be sure
05:21 dafull97 what?
05:21 us^0gb My guess is you need a ".." somewhere.
05:21 dafull97 no clue haha
05:21 Peacock pastebin the code/mod
05:21 dafull97 new to lua
05:22 Peacock did you try escaping the single quote
05:22 Peacock doing \' instead of '
05:23 us^0gb The singlw quote doesn't need escaping when the delimiters are double quotes.
05:23 dafull97 http://pastebin.com/VVNy91Ra
05:23 Peacock im just guessing without the sourcecode *hint* :P
05:23 Peacock i need to see line 3 to know whats up
05:23 dafull97 Peacock ^^ ahha
05:23 us^0gb Add a .. after each line.
05:24 Peacock did you start your formspec on line 1 or 2? then you need .. like ogb said
05:24 us^0gb "label[1,1;Rules:]" should be "label[1,1;Rules:]".. for example.
05:24 Peacock yeah try the double dots
05:24 us^0gb Are you using pico or nano for that?
05:24 dafull97 nano
05:24 Peacock doesnt matter what text editor he's using
05:25 Peacock if multiple strings, you need to concatenate with ..
05:25 dafull97 and PilzAdam made this for me
05:25 us^0gb It matters because of what the pasted code looks like.
05:25 Peacock "blahblah".."blahblah"
05:25 Peacock or
05:25 us^0gb The ".."s will do it either way, but if dafull97 isn't using pico or nano, there's another error too.
05:26 Peacock formspec = formspec .. "blahblah"
05:26 dafull97 line 13 now
05:26 Peacock error?
05:27 dafull97 01:26:34: ERROR[main]: /home/minetest/.minetest/mods/rulepop/init.lua:13: in main chunk
05:27 Peacock that doesnt tell much :P
05:27 dafull97 01:26:34: ERROR[main]: ========== ERROR FROM LUA ===========
05:27 dafull97 01:26:34: ERROR[main]: Failed to load and run script from
05:27 dafull97 01:26:34: ERROR[main]: /home/minetest/.minetest/mods/rulepop/init.lua:
05:27 dafull97 01:26:34: ERROR[main]: /home/minetest/.minetest/mods/rulepop/init.lua:13: attempt to concatenate a nil value
05:27 dafull97 01:26:34: ERROR[main]: stack traceback:
05:27 dafull97 01:26:34: ERROR[main]: /home/minetest/.minetest/mods/rulepop/init.lua:13: in main chunk
05:27 dafull97 was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
05:28 Peacock nil value means your variable is empty
05:28 Peacock (when you come back lol)
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05:28 dafull97 opps
05:28 dafull97 haha
05:28 Peacock shit happens lol
05:29 dafull97 didnt know it did that hahaha
05:29 Peacock nil value means your variable was empty
05:29 Peacock this channel's got plenty of bots, but none too smart :P
05:30 dafull97 line 13 is "end)"
05:30 Peacock if they were smart, they'd detect flooding as the same thing being posted more than once, not different things in rapid succession
05:30 Peacock no but the error is concatenating nil value, so check your variable names
05:31 fu-fu So, I'm kinda a noob at programming, understand the basics, but not really libs and whatnot... I was wondering how would one make a client side API for controling a client? (I want to make a populous-like clone, with the clients being the workers/citizens... (super unoptimised for now, just a proof of concept.))
05:31 Peacock there is no client side modding for the moment
05:32 fu-fu Well, I mean at the cpp level.
05:32 Peacock that's patching
05:32 Peacock you can patch your client, god knows if it will work/connect
05:32 dafull97 http://pastebin.com/UGNs3RCT
05:32 dafull97 there my code now
05:33 dafull97 Peacock ^^
05:33 Peacock "label[2,2;1. Don't Ever try to rule overrule Adm$
05:33 Peacock should be
05:33 Peacock "label[2,2;1. Don't Ever try to rule overrule Adm"..
05:33 Peacock oups
05:33 Peacock "label[2,2;1. Don't Ever try to rule overrule Adm]"..
05:33 Peacock whats with all the dollar signs?
05:34 dafull97 didnt show all the code
05:34 dafull97 im ssh in a Xubuntu
05:34 Peacock no but there are $ at some EOL's
05:34 dafull97 here all code
05:35 fu-fu xD, Yes, I was looking at the client.cpp, I'm just trying to figure out how I would get another program to beable to interface and use the sendPlayerPos, and yaw and whatnot...? (And custom functions to fetch node data...)
05:35 Peacock anyways it seems like your formspec string is malformed
05:35 dafull97 i didnt relise it was doin that
05:35 Peacock some lines dont have closing "..
05:35 dafull97 http://pastebin.com/JiAX3sne
05:35 dafull97 look nopw that is really what it is
05:36 Peacock jesus fucking christ lol i click "copy text to clipboard" and linux gives me 1 line lol
05:36 Peacock "its a feature" lol
05:36 fu-fu Try selecting it all, and middle click.
05:36 Peacock ok, your last line doesn't need the ...
05:37 Peacock *..
05:37 dafull97 ok..
05:37 Peacock http://pastebin.com/nu8gWgCY
05:37 dafull97 THX!
05:37 Peacock like that
05:38 Peacock the double dots are for putting strings together, but you don't need it at the end of the last bit
05:38 us^0gb Peacock, the dollar signs is why I asked about pico/nano.
05:38 dafull97 it is nano on ssh in Xubuntu
05:38 dafull97 LOL
05:38 us^0gb Sorry, I was away for a bit.
05:38 dafull97 it works!
05:38 Peacock ogb: weird formatting lol like converting MS office to libreoffice documents
05:38 dafull97 thanks guys
05:38 us^0gb Okay, great!
05:39 dafull97 +1 Peacock and us^0gb
05:39 us^0gb Peacock, it's not a formatting issue, it's a "trying to copy what can't be copied" issue.
05:39 * Peacock takes my + and makes dinner
05:39 Peacock seriously, i have to feed myself, lest i drop to 120lbs lol
05:39 dafull97 haha
05:39 Peacock see ya'll later
05:39 us^0gb Bye!
05:40 dafull97 us^0gb, one question
05:40 dafull97 why does my text look like diagonal
05:40 us^0gb What do you mean?
05:41 VanessaE maybe he means italics?
05:42 dafull97 no it is aligned to got like \
05:42 VanessaE odd.
05:42 dafull97 and cannot see all text... but i think i got it
05:42 us^0gb Do you mean in the actual game?
05:42 dafull97 yes
05:42 us^0gb Screenshot it.
05:42 dafull97 when pop-up comes
05:44 dafull97 checking my fix
05:45 dafull97 i got it!
05:45 us^0gb Great!
05:45 us^0gb THough  I still don't understand the issue.
05:45 dafull97 VanessaE is so quiet tonight haha
05:46 us^0gb She often is. Other times she's the life of the party. It really depends on the current topic and how she feels, I think.
05:46 us^0gb It's the same for a lot of people here and on other channels.
05:46 VanessaE been kinda blah lately
05:46 VanessaE uninspired, depressed.
05:46 VanessaE hence the quiet.
05:46 us^0gb I'm sorry to hear that.
05:46 dafull97 it was going like: http://pastebin.com/fXwVgZ96
05:47 dafull97 oh, sorry VanessaE
05:47 us^0gb Oh, I see.
05:48 dafull97 good =D
05:50 fu-fu So, don't suppose anyone's wanting to help me figure out how to get some sort of api(?) or whatever that will allow me to run clients interactivly without a display..? (Idealy for another program entierly, as I don't wan't to throw in a ton of stuff into the client itself.)
05:52 us^0gb That sounds like something a former friend of mine was trying to do, but he gave up. I don't have any other information though.
05:53 fu-fu I saw a few posts on the forums, but they where all old and dead.:/
05:54 us^0gb Yeah, those were probably his topics.
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05:56 fu-fu Well, one was doing it from the renderd scene, and one more like mine... but they both had only a few posts.
06:00 fu-fu Well, I'm going to see if I can get a std in interface first I guess..
06:01 dafull97 us^0gb, see you tomarrow?
06:01 us^0gb Okay, best of luck.
06:02 dafull97 u too
06:02 us^0gb Yeah, I'll probably be here tomorrow after work.
06:02 dafull97 bye to all
06:02 us^0gb Bye!
06:02 dafull97 ok cool =D
06:02 dafull97 bye
06:03 fu-fu Enjoy, farewell.
06:04 dafull97 farewell/bye ha
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06:04 us^0gb Bye!
06:04 Calinou hi
06:06 us^0gb Hello!
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06:26 nore hi all
06:26 VanessaE hi
06:27 nore do you have that: "forum.minetest.net uses an invalid security certificate."?
06:27 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/ and https://forum.minetest.net/
06:27 Calinou fine for me
06:27 Calinou err, minetest.net/forum is just a redirect
06:28 nore iceweasel says: "The certificate is only valid for the following names: users.minetest.ru , minetest.ru  "
06:28 us^0gb Hello!
06:28 Calinou I use chromium 28
06:30 us^0gb Iceweasel, eh? I use a browser from the Iceweasel family and don't get that error.
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06:31 nore could someone look at the security certificate he gets?
06:34 thexyz nore: what ip does forum.minetest.net resolve to for you?
06:35 nore 176.9.187.186
06:38 GNADev|zRokh test
06:38 GNADev|zRokh yes, Calinou, thanks
06:38 GNADev|zRokh i has a question
06:38 Calinou np
06:39 GNADev|zRokh i made the C4 and i got it to remove all blocks from a 1 block radius (Check) and make a sound... but when i make 2 abm's that both use terror:c4 then it doesnt work...
06:39 GNADev|zRokh the second abm is the beeping
06:41 GNADev|zRokh then i put them together
06:41 Ristovski any reason why basic game lags but development one doesnt?
06:42 GNADev|zRokh development?
06:42 GNADev|zRokh you mean minimal?
06:42 Ristovski GNADev|zRokh: when you go in singleplayer
06:42 nore It works again, I don't know why...
06:42 Ristovski GNADev|zRokh: yes, that
06:42 GNADev|zRokh oh, thats because it has a lot less mods and stuff
06:42 GNADev|zRokh thats why its called minimal
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06:42 GNADev|zRokh i think...
06:42 Ristovski GNADev|zRokh: But.. it.. shouldnt lag
06:43 thexyz nore: should work now
06:43 Ristovski GNADev|zRokh: I mean, it lags from graphics
06:43 nore thexyz, it does
06:43 GNADev|zRokh dont worry, i get 1-10FPS with OpenGL
06:43 nore what was the problem?
06:43 GNADev|zRokh Calinou, http://pastebin.com/vWi2V0nq
06:43 thexyz nore: I think it was that your browser doesn't support SNI
06:43 GNADev|zRokh it doesnt work
06:43 thexyz and now I resolved it by assigning a separate IP to forum.minetest.net
06:43 thexyz so it should work even in the dumbest browsers!
06:44 thexyz https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/a​nalyze.html?d=forum.minetest.net
06:44 nore ok... I didn't know iceweasel was dumb...
06:44 Ristovski nore: it actually kinda is
06:46 thexyz I'm not saying it's dumb; I don't know if that was the real reason it didn't work
06:46 thexyz most modern browsers should work fine with SNI so that may as well be an error on my end (but ssltest told me everything was fine)
06:48 thexyz Calinou: please set up a redirect on the wiki or at least add a note that it's deprecated
06:48 thexyz to every page
06:49 thexyz somehow
06:49 GNADev|zRokh ok, i changed the code..... now it doesnt beep, it only "explodes" (without damage to players)
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06:50 Calinou ok
06:52 GNADev|zRokh calinou, terror 0.0.1a is almost done :D
06:54 GNADev|zRokh and i think of changing it from a game to a mod... just a mod
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07:02 GNADev|zRokh oh, and Calinou, what do you think about a direct download link and an adfly link? so the user will have a chance to pick :P
07:02 Calinou stop trying to make money from something that won't give you money
07:04 GNADev|zRokh well MC mod makers do this :P
07:04 Calinou stupid MC mod makers*
07:04 GNADev|zRokh :D
07:04 Calinou very few of them are successful and deserve using adfly
07:05 ruskie adfly needs to die a horrible death in fire
07:06 ruskie worse yet are those that redirect through N such providers
07:08 thexyz sfan5: did you manage to build leveldb-enabled minetest for windows without boost?
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07:13 sfan5 thexyz: yes
07:13 sfan5 good morning everyone
07:13 GNADev|zRokh morning
07:16 * GNADev|zRokh just released version 0.0.1a of Terror https://forum.minetest.net​/viewtopic.php?pid=112505
07:16 GNADev|zRokh sfan5, could i get it to Modding Releases?
07:17 sfan5 GNADev|zRokh: dependencies missing, license of code and textures missing
07:18 GNADev|zRokh oh... ok, wait
07:18 thexyz sfan5: was this merged to master?
07:18 sfan5 thexyz: no
07:19 * sfan5 points at bitcoin/bitcoin src/leveldb@master
07:19 GNADev|zRokh GPLv2 or 3?
07:19 GNADev|zRokh what should i choose?
07:19 sfan5 GNADev|zRokh: you need to choose yourself
07:19 GNADev|zRokh i know..... <:/
07:19 GNADev|zRokh i'll choose............... 3 :D
07:19 GNADev|zRokh what does it do?
07:20 sfan5 thexyz: you can build that with mingw after manually tweaking the config given by "build_detect_platform"
07:23 thexyz why not?
07:23 GNADev|zRokh sfan5, done :P
07:24 sfan5 GNADev|zRokh: that is not GPL but CC-BY-SA
07:24 sfan5 moved
07:24 GNADev|zRokh thanks :D
07:25 GNADev|zRokh i know sfan5, but cc is easier to choose :D
07:25 GNADev|zRokh if im not mistaking then this is the first mod that i made and has been moved there
07:26 GNADev|zRokh sfan5, lets celebrate :D
07:26 * sfan5 puts a kitten on GNADev|zRokh's head
07:27 * GNADev|zRokh is stuck in a turd of happiness
07:28 Calinou hurd is turd!
07:28 thexyz sfan5: is there a non-hacky way to do that? without manually editing files
07:28 * Calinou gallops away
07:29 * GNADev|zRokh gallops after Calinou
07:29 sfan5 thexyz: you can supply some params but that will make it produce a libleveldb.so.1.12 instead of libleveldb.dll
07:30 sfan5 you could also just download my precompiled one: http://sfan5.pf-control.de​/libleveldb-1.12-win32.zip
07:31 thexyz sfan5: I don't want to download it; I want to have it merged
07:31 thexyz could you at least open an issue describing what has to be done to build it?
07:32 sfan5 ...
07:37 nore VanessaE, where is your colors.txt?
07:39 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/va​nessa/hobbies/minetest/colors.txt
07:40 VanessaE support for streets, stained glass, and home decor are out of date though.
07:40 nore could you update it to support mg too please?
07:41 sfan5 thexyz: http://pastie.org/8363968
07:41 VanessaE sure at some point I will yes
07:41 nore it looks like default snow is not supported either
07:41 * GNADev|zRokh added a skin to the mod
07:41 GNADev|zRokh VanessaE, check out my mod
07:41 VanessaE no.
07:41 GNADev|zRokh why not? <:(
07:41 VanessaE nore: contributions are welcome :)
07:41 VanessaE GNADev|zRokh: because I don't have a stomach for terror/horror related stuff
07:41 GNADev|zRokh its not that bad
07:42 GNADev|zRokh it only includes the C4 atm...
07:42 GNADev|zRokh and it doesnt harm the player (yet)
07:42 GNADev|zRokh and it also includes a skin :D
07:42 GNADev|zRokh oh, and also Strong gunpowder
07:42 VanessaE I don't care
07:43 VanessaE not interested in such stuff
07:43 GNADev|zRokh :/
07:44 cy1 Guns are hard to accomplish in minetest, because each bullet works best as a CAO, and that can add up to a lot of CAOs...
07:44 VanessaE nore: link to the mg mod again please?
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07:45 VanessaE I seem to have lost it.
07:45 nore https://github.com/Novatux/mg
07:45 sfan5 --
07:45 VanessaE thanks
07:45 sfan5 nore: you ninja'd me :P
07:45 VanessaE *looks at textures folder*
07:45 VanessaE oh that'll be easy enough
07:46 thexyz sfan5: okay, I understand, creating issue takes time and time is money
07:46 sfan5 thexyz: I still don't understand what do you want to get merged and where
07:46 nore VanessaE, all nodes are defined in nodes.lua
07:47 nore it you want their name...
07:47 VanessaE yes
07:48 thexyz sfan5: I want someone to merge some code which'd allow easy building of boost-less leveldb-enabled build of Minetest for Windows. Changing some files by hand is not what I consider "easy".
07:49 sfan5 thexyz: merge some code into ?
07:49 thexyz into minetest
07:49 sfan5 ah, so you want the leveldb source code in minetest again
07:49 thexyz no, I've never said such thing
07:49 * sfan5 is confused
07:49 thexyz okay, forget it then
07:50 sfan5 I don't quite get it
07:50 thexyz then it'll be even easier to forget
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07:54 VanessaE nore: Y U NO USE moretrees nodes for mg pines/pine wood? :(
07:55 VanessaE ok, mg support has been added to colors.txt
07:56 VanessaE at least, what I was able to gather from the textures and contents of nodes.lua
07:56 VanessaE de-download colors.txt and let me know if I missed something.
07:56 VanessaE er, NOW it has been updated.
07:56 VanessaE forgot to upload it :P
07:57 nore thanks
07:57 VanessaE HDX support will be soon
08:00 nore VanessaE: Unknown node names: mg:savannaleaves mg:dirt_with_dry_grass mg:savannatree default:snow mg:pineleaves default:dirt_with_snow mg:pinetree default:ice stairs:slab_stonebrick stairs:stair_stonebrick stairs:slab_stonebrickupside_down
08:00 * GNADev|zRokh added recipes to the mod
08:00 GNADev|zRokh bye
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08:01 VanessaE re-download it.  the mg: nodes are in there.
08:02 nore and default:snow, default:dirt_with_snow?
08:02 VanessaE not yet, I'll do those now
08:03 us^0gb I found another hole in my map after starting it over .... WHere are all these holes coming from?
08:03 nore us^0gb, with mg?
08:03 us^0gb Is "mg" the map generator?
08:03 nore and what do you mean, a hole?
08:03 nore mg is a Lua map generator
08:04 nore https://github.com/Novatux/mg
08:04 us^0gb I mean an emptiness. A huge area filled with nothing, not even air. CONTENT_IGNORE seems to "fill" the space, but that's it.
08:05 us^0gb I'm not using that, no.
08:05 nore and it is not generating the map there, is it?
08:05 us^0gb It doesn't seem to be.
08:06 kahrl I've seen those mapgen glitches sometimes
08:06 kahrl don't know where they come from
08:06 us^0gb I've seen them in my last three maps.
08:07 VanessaE nore: ok, colors.txt has been updated again, default with snow/ice nodes.
08:07 us^0gb Maps I haven;t used long.
08:07 us^0gb It doesn't bode well.
08:07 VanessaE as for the stairs/stairsplus/moreblocks, that whole subsection needs some work
08:08 VanessaE (I need to come up with some kind of script to generate those parts so they can be more easily updated)
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08:14 kahrl perhaps the syntax of colors.txt could be extended
08:14 VanessaE naw
08:14 kahrl so that if you say mod1:node1 mod2:node2, it uses the color from mod2:node2 for mod1:node1
08:14 kahrl that could be useful for that script
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10:04 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:06 arsdragonfly Hi
10:07 VanessaE hi
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10:18 IceCraft hi
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13:21 dafull97 Hey Guys
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13:21 dafull97 prestotron.. yu stll here? =D
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13:39 dafull97 Hey guys, what time is it
13:39 dafull97 wher you live
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13:41 prestotron55 [deleted]
13:41 dafull97 same =D
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13:57 UniversalBuilder Hello?
13:58 UniversalBuilder Why is there a lv and hv>
13:58 UniversalBuilder and hwat do they mean?
14:01 kaeza UniversalBuilder, technic?
14:01 dafull97 Hey
14:01 kaeza Low Voltage and High Voltage
14:01 kaeza (and Medium Voltage in case of MV)
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14:06 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Pass VERSION_EXTRA to GenerateVersion.cmake 2134316c80 2013-09-29T07:05:09-07:00 http://git.io/GLGvcQ
14:09 UniversalBuilder toh ok, thanks
14:10 UniversalBuilder whats the point of having lv, mv, and hv?
14:10 nore you use technic, right?
14:10 UniversalBuilder Naw
14:10 UniversalBuilder but im new, and im trying to figure out how it works
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14:11 UniversalBuilder <-----noob
14:12 nore mv and hv are more powerful than lv, but they are more expensive
14:13 UniversalBuilder oh
14:14 UniversalBuilder twhen do you know what power to choose?
14:14 UniversalBuilder what situation would have you choose a certain one?
14:14 PilzAdam I guess it depends on the machine you want to power
14:16 UniversalBuilder what machines require certain power levls?
14:25 werwerwer open folder  mods/technic/technic/machines. there are three folders there - lv, mv, hv. machines are described in these folders accordingly their power level
14:25 UniversalBuilder ohhh, ok thanks
14:25 werwerwer if you're talking about technic mod
14:25 UniversalBuilder I see
14:27 UniversalBuilder Wait
14:27 UniversalBuilder I can;t find it in the source code
14:28 UniversalBuilder \
14:28 UniversalBuilder :\
14:30 werwerwer UniversalBuilder what exactly you can't find in source code?
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14:30 UniversalBuilder the specific power level
14:32 werwerwer well, i can. i open file nuclear_reactor.lua, for example, and there's line "meta:set_int("HV_EU_supply", 0)"
14:36 UniversalBuilder oh ok
14:38 UniversalBuilder can you find it here: https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-meg​apack/blob/master/mods/technic/grinder.lua ?
14:39 werwerwer it's in lv
14:41 UniversalBuilder howd you know?
14:44 werwerwer well... you're right. it's impossible to say this from this file. and i'm not sure that in this version it's really lv
14:45 UniversalBuilder oh ok
14:45 UniversalBuilder but how idd you nkow it was lv?
14:47 kaeza uhh...
14:47 werwerwer because in current version of technic grinder is registered like this https://github.com/minetest-technic/techni​c/blob/master/technic/machines/LV/init.lua
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14:50 UniversalBuilder Ohh, thanks
14:50 UniversalBuilder tI understand everything now :-)
14:51 UniversalBuilder thanks so much dude
14:51 dafull97 Server runenrs, how do i remove all Bones for the world's land (like off the ground?)
14:55 VanessaE dafull97: uninstall the mod, then make a small fake mod that just aliases it to air or something, or which uses an ABM to delete them.
14:56 dafull97 would admintools mod work?
15:04 VanessaE idk
15:05 dafull97 have you used maptools?
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15:12 codehero someone here playing minetest with dvorak for programmers?
15:13 nore it has been said there were bugs with that keyboard layout
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15:14 codehero yupp
15:15 codehero the special keys like / don't work
15:15 Wuzzy OMG. Just checked minetest.net
15:15 Wuzzy Seen that my post about pyramids is there ... I lol’d
15:15 codehero :D
15:16 Wuzzy But a link to the UFOs mod should be there, too. <https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4086>
15:17 CraigyDavi Would anyone know how i could run my server without me being online in-game
15:17 CraigyDavi whenever i quit to menu the server shuts down too
15:18 PilzAdam CraigyDavi, start the server from a command line
15:18 CraigyDavi so would i open a command line in bin?
15:19 PilzAdam yea, then start minetestserver or minetest --server
15:20 CraigyDavi so would I type minetest.exe --Server --worldname?
15:23 ShadowNinja CraigyDavi: Lowercase 's' and a world name after --worldname.
15:24 CraigyDavi thanks!
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15:29 codehero the inventory in multiplayer is so buggy :P
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15:30 PilzAdam codehero, its not buggy at all
15:30 PilzAdam it just lags a bit
15:30 codehero well..
15:30 codehero a bit?
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15:31 codehero you put something in the crafting grid and it just jumps back in the inventory
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15:31 codehero you move stuff around in the crafting grid and it jumps around like crazy
15:32 PilzAdam make one move and wait
15:32 PilzAdam dont start throwing items arround when you notice lag, that makes it only worse
15:33 codehero hmmmm okay
15:33 codehero i still don't understand why this is done on the server and not in the client
15:34 Wuzzy Hi, how do I use LuaVoxelManip?
15:35 PilzAdam codehero, cheating
15:36 codehero but can't you just do it like. person wants to craft this, check if he has the resources to do it. if he has them give him the thing he wants to craft
15:36 jin_xi Wuzzy: http://pastebin.com/x0DFYXQD did you look at this example?
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15:37 PilzAdam codehero, I dont know if the clients even get the crafting recipes to get a prediction like this
15:38 codehero hmmm
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15:38 codehero then you'd have to send them while downloading the other stuff
15:38 codehero i think i'll take a look at the code sometime
15:38 Wuzzy jin_xi: No. I looked at a lot examples and I am not sure wheather I fully understood LVM.
15:39 Wuzzy jin_xi: For example, I see this light stuff in the code. Is this mandatory?
15:39 jin_xi no
15:39 PilzAdam codehero, if someone does inventory prediction some time in a sane way then its good
15:39 Wuzzy So when do I need to use the lighting stuff?
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15:40 jin_xi when you want to update the lighting after you add nodes i guess
15:40 PilzAdam when you place large enough things that require a recalculation of the light
15:40 PilzAdam and you dont need to do that in mapgen
15:41 Wuzzy What is “large enough”?
15:41 codehero i'm relearning C+ anyways and i'll have to look for some projects for improving my skills, so that might be a good idea :P
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15:41 kahrl the crafting recipes could be sent to the client (they aren't currently), there even is existing serialization code, but it has to be done in a way that doesn't make connecting to a server even slower
15:41 kahrl horrendously slower, anyway
15:41 codehero huh
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15:42 PilzAdam Wuzzy, when you place a node that should produce shadow under it
15:42 codehero it seems to me like the client is only doing the display, sound, and key stuff
15:42 PilzAdam so if you e.g. just place a mountain on a flat land, then there are no nodes that produce shadow
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15:42 codehero much like a vnc client :P
15:42 PilzAdam however, if there are caves, then you need to recalc lighting to get the caves dark
15:43 Wuzzy Okay. Are there any docs for LuaVoxelManip yet, besides lua_api.txt? The lua_api.txt only seems like a quick reference to me for those who already know how LuaVoxelManip works. :-/
15:43 dafull97 PilzAdam!
15:43 jin_xi there is nothing more to it
15:43 Wuzzy Bummer!
15:44 prestotron55 [deleted]
15:44 jin_xi Wuzzy: its ok to ask, but you need to be specific to get a good answer
15:45 PilzAdam Wuzzy, have you checked the topic in the news section?
15:45 kahrl Wuzzy, see hmmmm's example here http://pastebin.com/x0DFYXQD
15:46 dafull97 who made the admin_tools mod?
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15:47 Wuzzy Google yields nothing. I don’t understand what’s unspecific about “Is there a documentation?”. Yes, I have checked the topic. Yes, I have seen the example. If any of that would have helped me to understand the LuaVoxelManip, I would not have bothered you.
15:47 dafull97 ohh, can someone assist me?
15:47 prestotron55 [deleted]
15:48 PilzAdam Wuzzy, there is no tutorial or similiar
15:48 dafull97 i installed on my server and tried running it and it gives me error
15:48 Wuzzy I fear that the example is … well … just an example. I fear that I still miss some ideas/principles of the LVM.
15:48 sfan5 Wuzzy: try reading the code of some mods utilizing vmanip
15:48 PilzAdam Wuzzy, I could help you if you tell me what you already know about the vmanip
15:48 sfan5 (like WorldEdit, "mg" mapgen)
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15:49 Wuzzy I did not ask for a tutorial, I asked for documentation.
15:49 sfan5 -> lua_api.txt
15:49 sfan5 that is enough doc
15:49 sfan5 !dev Voxelmanip
15:49 prestotron55 [deleted]
15:49 sfan5 MinetestBot!
15:49 MinetestBot sfan5!
15:49 prestotron55 [deleted]
15:49 Wuzzy This is just a quick reference for those who already understood it.
15:50 sfan5 no
15:50 prestotron55 [deleted]
15:50 jin_xi Wuzzy: no need to fear, there is not so much to it. it just allows you to set nodes in bulk. thats the whole idea/principle
15:50 dafull97 prestotron55, yes... i will pastebin error
15:50 prestotron55 [deleted]
15:51 Wuzzy Whut? That’s everything? Nothing fancy about LVM? LOL, and I thought it would be the uber complicated thing.
15:51 Wuzzy Well, thanks then.
15:51 Jordach nore, have you modified npcf to work with MG
15:51 Jordach (why cant we install that and see the results
15:51 dafull97 prestotron55, http://pastebin.com/Af4qYS3a
15:52 prestotron55 [deleted]
15:52 dafull97 ok, one sec
15:54 nore Jordach, no
15:54 nore but you can :)
15:55 Jordach nore, why dont we just /spawnentity <npcf-something>:<npc_name> and see the results
15:55 Jordach only guards / miners should leave the village
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15:56 Jordach farmers may remove fully grown cotton / wheat - and put it in a chest (the pubs?)
15:56 Jordach bakers may furnace the dough to make bread
15:56 Jordach (actually, a bakery would be nice)
15:57 Jordach blacksmiths might every now and then add swords / tools into the chests around the smithy
15:57 prestotron55 [deleted]
15:58 dafull97 i know, im ssh to my VPS... so i have to copy session by session
15:58 dafull97 more like copy and paste 20 line a time
15:59 PilzAdam dafull97, what? you want to tell us that you cant download files over ssh?
15:59 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:00 dafull97 so just delete file and paste that?
16:01 Jordach btw, i just normally copy the files into apache2
16:01 Jordach then download them via my browser
16:01 dafull97 Jordach, yes i just d\thought about that... but im done already haha
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16:03 kaeza 11:58:23: ACTION[ServerThread]: CHAT: <Matt> hi im new
16:03 * Jordach now has a sore chest muscle
16:03 kaeza 11:59:18: ACTION[ServerThread]: CHAT: <Matt> u do know uddinator and josh are part owners of minetest they can shut ur server down
16:03 Jordach PLOLOLOLOL
16:03 Jordach it really hurts to laugh
16:03 PilzAdam plol
16:04 kaeza somehow this 'Josh' keeps evading my bans
16:04 dafull97 prestotron55, still error
16:05 kaeza (no biggie, I did /revoke Josh all, but still annoying)
16:05 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:05 dafull97 it is insdie my vps
16:05 Jordach kaeza, ask peacock for his autoban code
16:05 dafull97 server wont start
16:05 Jordach actually, wait, i might have it as a pastebin
16:06 Jordach kaeza, ipconfig
16:06 kaeza Jordach, he even evades xban :/
16:06 nore Jordach, what happens if you add an NPC in the village?
16:06 Jordach nore, havent tested yet
16:06 Jordach kaeza, Peacock's IP ban code: http://pastebin.com/2nvTvrLq
16:06 Jordach (it also does nicks)
16:07 kaeza hmm
16:07 Jordach that might be a soloution
16:07 kaeza it more or less does the same as xban
16:08 Jordach kaeza, it also bans guests
16:08 Jordach (handily)
16:08 dafull97 prestotron55, new error: http://pastebin.com/sueigRY6
16:08 kaeza may install that later to see if it works
16:08 dafull97 in depends.txt i put default
16:08 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:08 Jordach kaeza, OR: write a mod that basically checks joining play's nicks; then ban only "Josh" through regex
16:08 Jordach player's*
16:09 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:09 Jordach because denial at join_player is a PURE stop.
16:09 kaeza (on a side note, and to be clear, this is not the Josh from the forums)
16:09 Jordach ah
16:10 * Jordach waits for git to start
16:10 kaeza > git > start
16:10 Jordach kaeza, Github's client also has a CLI interface that just so happens to use Powershell
16:10 Jordach (Powershell takes it's time, not Git)
16:11 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:11 Calinou that's what she said
16:11 kaeza Jordach, bash takes no time at all :3
16:11 Jordach sfan5, your thingy still running
16:11 Jordach kaeza, true
16:12 Jordach hmm
16:14 Jordach !up 81.153.28.202
16:14 MinetestBot 81.153.28.202:30000 is up (279ms)
16:14 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:14 MinetestBot prestotron55!
16:15 nore Jordach, what is this server?
16:15 Jordach nore, i've just found a village
16:16 Jordach then i'll install the npcf
16:16 nore and you will try to make it work with villages?
16:16 Jordach i can *barely* code in Lua
16:17 Jordach we just want to see how the npc's react to MG villlages
16:17 dafull97 prestotron55, sorry... was getting lunch... and no it gave me error
16:17 dafull97 im gonna try to reinstall
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16:18 nore !up 81.153.28.202
16:18 MinetestBot 81.153.28.202:30000 seems to be down
16:18 Jordach rebooting in progress
16:21 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:21 MinetestBot prestotron55: Sorry, I haven't seen celeron55 around.
16:22 dafull97 prestotron55, still not work.. idk seems like junk ;/ :(
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16:25 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
16:25 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:26 Krock Hello
16:26 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:26 thefamilygrog66 I added a new bean to my magic beans mod: http://i.imgur.com/lSBsGow.png
16:26 LazyJ Becoming quite the modder there, Grog. ;)
16:27 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:27 thefamilygrog66 Haha, thanks. You know I'm a hack, LazyJ!
16:27 * prestotron55 will be away for about 15 minutes while he finishes one of his 3 mods hes working on and releases it
16:27 Jordach well that's really helpful stu
16:27 LazyJ Code writing 101 = Ctrl+c  and Ctrl+v    :D
16:28 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:28 Jordach there's no documentation on SPAWNING NPCs
16:28 Jordach Medieval*
16:28 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:28 thefamilygrog66 Oh yeah, the textures for the beanstalk are all 16px, Jordach.
16:28 Jordach :3
16:29 thefamilygrog66 Except for magicbeans_blank.png
16:29 thefamilygrog66 Which is INVISIBLE.
16:29 LazyJ The "Magic Beans" concept is a good one. Especially for the younger players.
16:30 thefamilygrog66 An invisible climbable block - that's gonna be trouble.
16:30 sfan5 Jordach: hm?
16:30 thefamilygrog66 For sure, LazyJ - my six-year-old son Simonster inspired the idea.
16:31 thefamilygrog66 Speaking of trouble, the beanstalks are totally destructive as well - they'll grow through anything.
16:31 dafull97 the server was working fine, it somthing with the mod
16:31 dafull97 prestotron55 ^^
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16:32 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:32 dafull97 the server software is fine
16:32 * thefamilygrog66 can't get the damn sethbling closing tune out of his head
16:33 LazyJ Hmm... An MT game designed for 6 and under.
16:33 dafull97 it was working
16:33 dafull97 the mod isnt... if i disable it works
16:33 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:33 thefamilygrog66 Don't let his age fool ya, LazyJ. He's a minecraft redstone pro!
16:34 VanessaE mediafire is evil.
16:34 VanessaE (as is dropbox and every other upload site :P )
16:34 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:34 Jordach VanessaE, bullshit
16:34 LazyJ I have a 9mo niece. Skyped with "Grandma" and all the baby toys got me thinking.
16:34 VanessaE I was joking, jeez :)
16:34 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:34 Jordach VanessaE, where else am i going to stick < 22mb files
16:34 LazyJ "Bob blocks" was written for his youngins wasn'it?
16:34 Jordach sfan5's is tight with the file size
16:35 thefamilygrog66 mediafire infected my computer.
16:35 thefamilygrog66 just kidding.
16:35 Jordach thefamilygrog66, adblock :P
16:35 VanessaE Jordach: mega? ;)
16:35 Jordach lol
16:35 Jordach i'll use that when i fill my mf
16:35 Jordach (which is 333mb of 50gb)
16:35 thefamilygrog66 I'm just getting annoyed with sites with tonnes of bogus "download" buttons all over the place.
16:35 thefamilygrog66 Makes me have to think.
16:36 Jordach thefamilygrog66, adblock+
16:36 Jordach !g adblock+
16:36 MinetestBot Jordach: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-​us/firefox/addon/adblock-plus/
16:37 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:37 Calinou "virus scan"
16:37 Calinou totally...
16:37 Calinou it's marketing BS
16:37 Calinou like firefox saying it scans for viruses after a download
16:37 thefamilygrog66 I guess you missed the "just kidding" part, prestotron55.
16:37 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:37 thefamilygrog66 hehe
16:37 Jordach nore, get yo ass on my server again
16:38 kahrl virus scanning is an undecidable problem...
16:38 thefamilygrog66 Yes LazyJ, I believe bobblocks was written for his kids.
16:38 thefamilygrog66 Kids know what's fun.
16:39 LazyJ As a dad, do think there would be enough interest in a "MineTyke" game geared for very young kids?
16:40 Calinou sounds like a game created by Robin Thicke
16:40 thefamilygrog66 Hmm, possibly - as I mentioned, Simonster's pretty advanced with this stuff. People don't believe he's only six when they see him in action on servers.
16:41 Jordach crash crash crash
16:41 Jordach access violation MY ASS
16:41 Jordach i hit the enter key and shit like that happens
16:41 LazyJ Get them hooked while they are young.
16:41 prestotron55 [deleted]
16:41 thefamilygrog66 Hmm, ass and violation probably shouldn't be in the same sentence, Jordach.
16:41 Jordach plo
16:41 Jordach plol
16:41 Jordach owch
16:43 thefamilygrog66 Hey, how's this for a protection idea: an invisible, invincible block that players can place around their builds...
16:43 thefamilygrog66 Yeah, I know, too much potential for abuse.
16:43 kaeza maptools?
16:44 thefamilygrog66 An actual node that can be placed, but not seen though.
16:44 kaeza allow build prevention to be craftable
16:44 thefamilygrog66 Hmm...
16:45 thefamilygrog66 I wanted to make a spiral leaves pattern around the central beanstalk in my mod, so I added air nodes accordingly. Unfortunately, that made it annoying/impossible to climb, so I created a new, invisible node that's also climbable and used it instead.
16:48 prestotron55 [deleted]
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16:48 MinetestBot prestotron55: [mod] Medeival Tools (Page 1) — Modding General — Minetest Forums
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16:48 Jordach thefamilygrog66, http://i.imgur.com/IACCO0O.png
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16:50 thefamilygrog66 dungeon master, Jordach?
16:50 Jordach yes
16:50 Jordach accurate to the original textures
16:51 * Jordach has a hot water bottle relaxing the torn stomach muscle (IBS is no fun and hurts a lot)
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16:52 flecha hello! is there a way to make server reload scripts (mods)  without closeing and reopening it?
16:53 nore no
16:53 Jordach nope
16:53 Jordach ninja'd :(
16:53 flecha =(
16:53 Jordach flecha, just warn the users that an update (or planned downtime) will occur
16:54 Jordach if they won't leave, just restart anyway: they were WARNED.
16:54 flecha it's only me and my girlfriend
16:54 Jordach flecha, then that's not really an issue
16:55 flecha but it takes too much to reload the game...
16:55 flecha because we are using too many mods
16:55 thefamilygrog66 Say whatnow?
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16:55 flecha So I wanted a way to update the server without reloaing the client
16:55 sfan5 !re
16:55 MinetestBot sfan5: Give me a regex and a message seperated by `
16:55 Jordach woah
16:55 sfan5 !re (.*)/upload/([^/]*)`/upload/out.png
16:56 MinetestBot true groups=['']
16:56 Jordach when have we had /msg in minetest
16:57 flecha and how do I find the id of one item?
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17:02 john_minetest Hello everyponx
17:03 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:03 john_minetest *-x +y
17:03 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:03 john_minetest No, had no internet the last few days
17:03 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:03 prestotron55 [deleted]
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17:03 kaeza :I
17:03 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:03 john_minetest prestotron55: A few pictures would be nice.
17:04 john_minetest No pics, no clicks.
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17:04 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:04 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:05 john_minetest prestotron55: Which OS?
17:05 john_minetest Which Distro/Version?
17:05 * Evergreen thinks it might be windows
17:05 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:05 Calinou same as Evergreen :P
17:05 Calinou lol, elementary
17:05 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:05 john_minetest 7 has snipping tool
17:05 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:06 Evergreen I don't have windows Calinou
17:06 Evergreen What DM?
17:06 john_minetest Ubuntu should have some screen capture software.
17:06 Evergreen Or just use gimp
17:06 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:06 Evergreen In the file menu the path is file > create >from screenshot
17:07 Calinou Evergreen: DM is desktop manager, such as gdm, lightdm, xdm...
17:07 Calinou DE is desktop environment, such as gnome, kde, xfce...
17:07 Calinou WM is window manager, such as compiz, kwin, xfwm...
17:07 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:07 Evergreen Whoops, sorry
17:07 john_minetest WOOHOO!!! 1 MB/s internet! Moving to an other town for university has its good sides.
17:07 Calinou it's ok :)
17:07 Evergreen DE then
17:07 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:07 Calinou john_minetest: my grandparents have 8/1Mbits
17:07 Calinou I have 4.4/0.3mbits here...
17:07 john_minetest I had 230 KB/s at home
17:07 john_minetest Now I have 1 MB/s.
17:08 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:08 john_minetest I hate megabits
17:08 john_minetest megabits is a stupid unit used by greedy creatures of the night
17:08 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:08 thefamilygrog66 F12 key, prestotron55.
17:08 Calinou +1
17:09 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:09 thefamilygrog66 Look in the bin folder for .png image files
17:09 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:09 thefamilygrog66 It works regardless of operating system.
17:09 thefamilygrog66 That's messed up.
17:10 john_minetest When I download a Linux distro image, I know it is 500 MB. So I think it is stupid to count in Mbits to confuse people who think with 500 MBits per second it is downloaded in one second.
17:10 thefamilygrog66 You could always just hit the PrtSc key, open GIMP and select edit, paste as new image.
17:10 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:11 john_minetest or paint
17:11 thefamilygrog66 I've had to do that for taking screenshots of formspec menus.
17:12 thefamilygrog66 or wordpad for that matter
17:12 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:12 john_minetest imo it is useless to start up gimp (takes a bit) instead of starting paint which has the same functionalities in that matter.
17:12 john_minetest gedit is the best editor.
17:12 john_minetest *GUI-editor
17:12 john_minetest nano is the best CLI editor.
17:13 thefamilygrog66 I prefer geany myself.
17:13 Evergreen I use scite or geany for most stuff
17:14 thefamilygrog66 Know of any good editors for android tablets?
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17:14 john_minetest iirc there is vim for android or iOS
17:14 Peacock i prefer lemon pledge
17:15 thefamilygrog66 thanks, I'll look it up. Polish that shit, Peacock!
17:15 Peacock Why Polish when you can Czechoslovakia?
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17:16 thefamilygrog66 That isn't even a country anymore, man. Haha.
17:16 Peacock its not?
17:16 Peacock damn
17:17 Peacock i did find lovely brochures for vacations in Rhodesia
17:17 kaeza yey https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/​100008207/screenshot_1790381318.jpg
17:17 thefamilygrog66 I dunno, thought it split or something. I'm just a slow Canadian, remember.
17:17 thefamilygrog66 Looks like you have some classy guests, kaeza.
17:18 kaeza thefamilygrog66, indeed
17:18 ShadowNinja /xban /rollback :-)
17:18 kaeza such creativity really amazes me
17:18 Peacock how do you suck half cock?
17:18 kaeza ShadowNinja, does /rollback revert signs?
17:18 Peacock is that like dwarf-fellatio or something?
17:19 thefamilygrog66 There ya go, going off half-cocked again, Peacock.
17:19 thefamilygrog66 Hahaha
17:19 ShadowNinja kaeza: IDK, I don't think so unfourtunately.
17:19 Peacock people grief then they're gone like piss in the wind XD
17:20 kaeza lel https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/​100008207/screenshot_1790680148.jpg
17:20 jin_xi nice cactus
17:21 Peacock you have protection tho keza, does it not cover signs?
17:21 Evergreen Really, sign griefers don't do anything more than make people lol
17:21 kaeza nope
17:21 Evergreen Unless you are a ten year old or something
17:22 kaeza I have protector blocks, and locked signs, but people seem to use normal signs more
17:22 Peacock for my protection thingy i made a verify(pos,playername) function that i use for diff things like signs, water tanks, machines
17:22 kaeza inb4 Vanessa pokes me to add locked signs to homedecor :)))
17:25 Peacock peoples on my server are surprised they get banned automatically for fucking w/ signs too lol
17:25 john_minetest kaeza: Well, protecting sings costs one ingot. And that can be better used for things like swords
17:26 thefamilygrog66 back in a bit
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17:31 Peacock yar, textures ahoy! http://s11.postimg.org/c0wao1​klf/screenshot_1789586453.png
17:31 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:32 Peacock in the process of eliminating similar ones now
17:32 Peacock otherwise moblocks would have roughly 250 textures lol
17:32 Peacock *mblocks
17:38 Jordach prestotron55, WUBI != true Linux
17:38 Jordach it's a VM
17:38 Jordach the disk is stored on C:\
17:38 john_minetest What is WUBI?
17:39 Calinou Windows Ubuntu Installer
17:39 Jordach that stupid ass useless installer for Ubuntu that doesnt need a disk
17:39 Calinou thing that is terrible by today's standards :P
17:39 Jordach +1
17:39 Jordach even i at least use DVD-ROM for installing from
17:40 Jordach faster, easier; and supported indefinitely
17:40 john_minetest Jordach: It is no VM. It is a loop device.
17:40 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:40 john_minetest I use USB for installing. It is much cooler than DVD
17:40 Jordach prestotron55, you don't deserve computer science
17:41 * Calinou uses USB too
17:41 john_minetest Why do people think that it is difficult to install linux?
17:41 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:41 Calinou john_minetest: partitioning is considered difficult
17:41 Calinou also, aren't you on arch?
17:41 Calinou arch is far from easy to install
17:41 Jordach because you ask stupid questions that everyone knows
17:41 john_minetest Partitioning is easy. Arch is easier to install than Ubuntu.
17:41 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:42 Calinou not for nearly everyone then
17:42 Jordach prestotron55, WUBI sucks
17:42 john_minetest prestotron55: I prefer taking my arch USB, boot it and work with it. It has a lot of tools.
17:42 Jordach btw, there is just more to Linux than Ubuntu
17:43 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:43 john_minetest Calinou: I thrashed windows AND ubuntu by using the automatic partitioning. Partioning on archlinux never did that. Since i did it myself and I know what I do. And the beginner's guide is easy.
17:43 Jordach prestotron55, you really are a dumb PoS
17:43 Jordach Linux refers to the KERNEL. someone know KNOWS COMPUTER SCIENCE would tell you that
17:44 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:44 Jordach Ubuntu installed from USB / DVD does not need a boot disc, what is this? 1986?
17:45 john_minetest When I do stuff like partitioning and installing a bootloader myself I know: When something fails it is my fault and I am simply stupid. When this color-blink-blink fails I can
17:45 Calinou you can do partitioning on ubuntu yourself, using gparted
17:45 Calinou this is what I did
17:45 john_minetest 't see what it did
17:45 Jordach prestotron55, you fail to understand that DIY is better than some automated tool
17:45 Jordach oi proller, it's trolling time
17:45 john_minetest Except when you wrote the automated tool yourself
17:45 Jordach </summoning>
17:45 Calinou prestotron55: WUBI is slower and doesn't work with UEFI
17:45 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:45 Jordach DIY refers to Live Images and installing from that
17:45 john_minetest UEFI secure boot is crap and should be forbidden.-
17:46 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:46 Jordach prestotron55, i'll throw $5 at you if you manage to get coreboot going
17:46 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:46 Calinou UEFI and secure boot are not linked, john_minetest
17:46 Calinou UEFI is good, it's more modern
17:46 Calinou secure boot is bad though
17:46 john_minetest Calinou: Yeah, UEFI is nice. But iirc BIOS doesn't support secure boot and there is practically only BIOS and UEFI.
17:47 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:47 john_minetest Also I only use BIOS since I buy old computers :b
17:47 Calinou I installed in BIOS mode too
17:47 Calinou but my SSD uses a GPT partition table
17:48 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:48 john_minetest Actually I don't really care about BIOS and UEFI when it supports booting from disks and USB sticks.
17:48 Jordach prestotron55, what if i told you that if your C:\ drive fucks, and your Pen Drive breaks: DVD works the best in this situation
17:49 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:49 john_minetest DVD is very useful in some cases. The cases when there is no USB boot in BIOS yet. On the other hand some notebooks and most netbooks don't support DVD.
17:49 * Calinou doesn't have a DVD drive on both desktop and netbook
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17:49 john_minetest Hey OldCoder. Just got internet 40 minutes ago :)
17:50 OldCoder Hi!
17:50 * prestotron55 cheers for john_minetest WOOT
17:50 Calinou hi OldCoder
17:50 OldCoder john_minetest, You start school tomorrow
17:50 OldCoder Calinou, Hey!
17:50 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:50 OldCoder john_minetest, Looking forward to it?
17:50 OldCoder prestotron55, Hey back
17:50 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:50 OldCoder MinetestBot does not seem social :-)
17:50 Jordach http://imgur.com/gallery/fN6916d
17:50 john_minetest OldCoder: University. Actually it is a week of learning about where to go and what to do and stuff.
17:50 OldCoder Orientation
17:51 OldCoder It will be fine
17:51 MinetestBot I am social OldCoder, I just don't like being talked to that often
17:51 OldCoder Jordach, R
17:51 OldCoder Ah!
17:51 OldCoder The clarification is appreciated
17:51 MinetestBot Not to mention it's my job being here 24/7 assisting users with my abilities.
17:51 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:51 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:51 MinetestBot prestotron55!
17:51 Calinou I don't get it at all Jordach
17:52 Jordach hahahahahahahaha
17:52 OldCoder MinetestBot, You are doing a fine job
17:52 * OldCoder will work on updating mods today
17:52 MinetestBot Thank you OldCoder.
17:54 john_minetest Hey MinetestBot
17:54 MinetestBot Hello john_minetest.
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17:54 john_minetest !rtfm
17:54 MinetestBot Somebody thinks you should read the manual. The wiki for dev related questions is at http://dev.minetest.net , the regular wiki is at http://wiki.minetest.net.
17:55 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:55 MinetestBot sup prestotron55
17:55 prestotron55 [deleted]
17:55 Jordach s/sup/Sup
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17:55 Jordach capital letters.
17:55 john_minetest_ lost connection
17:55 Jordach lol john_minetest_
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17:57 OldCoder cephalopoda?
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17:57 OldCoder As in squids and octupii ?
17:57 john_minetest Yeah, that is my second prefix
17:57 OldCoder Very well
17:57 john_minetest Yes, exactly.
17:58 john_minetest I chose it because "bläckfiskar"(well, "blaeckfiskar" to be exact) didn't fit into the name space.
18:00 john_minetest Well, now I am here and got Internet. 4,3x speed from before.
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18:09 OldCoder john_minetest, Is the Internet monitored and constrained by Music Company etc. police?
18:09 OldCoder They slap all types of software and rules onto some Universities
18:10 OldCoder Mostly in the U.S. but also in Europe IIRC
18:10 john_minetest I am in a flat and here are no restrictions. But in whole germany certain music is constrained. So youtube can't view some videos.
18:11 OldCoder Yes I have read that Germany is different
18:11 OldCoder Enjoy Fast Net You Bet
18:11 OldCoder In a Flat Off to You OldCoder takes His Hat
18:12 Evergreen Sometimes when I see people struggling with unzipping a folder and moving it to a different place, I can barely stop myself from screaming "What is so difficult about unzipping and moving the darned folder?!"
18:13 OldCoder Evergreen, each person has their own Universe
18:13 OldCoder In some Universes CLI and even ZIP are giant monsters
18:14 Evergreen Yes, that is true.
18:14 OldCoder We know the truth... CLI ZIP and even Daemons are fuzzy friends :P
18:15 john_minetest In windows zips are like normal folders
18:16 john_minetest Except that you can't create a new file with the right click menu in those folders.
18:16 kaeza bad things happen when you make a half-assed integration
18:17 kaeza if you wanna integrate ZIP files as if they were actually part of the filesystem, do it the right way, or don't do it at all
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18:17 zat The issue of privileges non persisting between logins must be caused by server extended!!!
18:18 Evergreen Great, the newest user on the forums is "AntVenom".    I have no idea what these imposters get out of doing that
18:18 john_minetest I don't like zip on linux systems
18:19 john_minetest I can never remember the secret magic spell to open them. I prefer tar.gz since I can remember "tar xfvz <filename>".
18:19 OldCoder john_minetest, It has its place. Just remember to use the y switch when appropriate
18:19 OldCoder To preserve symlinks when zipping
18:19 OldCoder unzip bacon.zip
18:19 OldCoder ^ Magic spell
18:19 OldCoder :P
18:19 john_minetest Never thought about that problem.
18:20 Evergreen john_minetest: All you have to do is unzip zipfile.zip
18:20 OldCoder Ninja
18:20 kaeza :D
18:20 Evergreen Whoops, Ninja'd by OldCoder
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18:20 john_minetest Somehow that sounds logic.
18:20 Evergreen And if you can't remember that use a gui like nautilis, or thunar or something
18:23 john_minetest Thunar doesn't allow unzipping by default iirc
18:23 john_minetest but there is xarchiver which is somehow related and nice.
18:24 OldCoder A bit dated but still works
18:26 zat john_minetest: there is a plugin for thunar for that.
18:27 john_minetest I am not using linux anymore since my computer stopped working again.
18:27 john_minetest 7zip should be aviable on linux including GUI
18:27 john_minetest iirc there is a commandline tool but I don't know if it supports all the formats.
18:28 univeralbuilder FOR THE pipeworks mod, if you place a vertical pipe over water, will the water go up?
18:28 OldCoder john_minetest, there are many CLI archiver tools
18:29 john_minetest I like the way 7zip GUI works. I use it on my windows PC all the time and it is very comfortable to work with it.
18:30 john_minetest bbl
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18:34 BlockMen wtf?! http://news.softpedia.com/news/Secret-3G​-Radio-in-Every-Intel-vPro-CPU-Could-Ste​al-Your-Ideas-at-Any-Time-385194.shtml
18:35 VanessaE O.O
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18:35 VanessaE good thing I don't use Intel then
18:35 PilzAdam LOL, has someon read abm.lua of the c4 mod in the "terror" pack?
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18:36 Exio4 amd ftw
18:36 Exio4 intel is too expensive and isn't worth the extra money
18:36 * Exio4 looks at the price of his cpu
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18:37 Dan_D Hi
18:38 john_minetest I use intel only.
18:41 PilzAdam lol, has someone looked at the damage of the Medeival tools mod?
18:41 VanessaE thexyz: awake?
18:41 john_minetest PilzAdam: No, there were no pics
18:41 john_minetest So I didn't download :b
18:41 PilzAdam the mace has a damage of 500
18:42 john_minetest lol
18:42 thexyz VanessaE: yes
18:42 john_minetest a bit strong
18:42 VanessaE thexyz: could you delete the poll from, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=56448  ?
18:42 PilzAdam Im not a Lua compiler, but as far as I see there are some syntax errors in it too
18:43 thexyz VanessaE: done
18:43 VanessaE thanks.
18:43 PilzAdam VanessaE, I just voted
18:44 VanessaE PilzAdam: too late, the idea has already been abandoned.
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18:44 Niften hello
18:44 PilzAdam I voted for "no", btw
18:44 VanessaE heh ok
18:44 Niften pilzadam
18:44 PilzAdam prestotron55, *ping*
18:44 Niften 0bg and me are starting new biome mechanics
18:45 Niften well, a new and better biome implementation
18:45 Niften is 0bg here?
18:45 jin_xi gb
18:46 Niften peacock
18:46 Evergreen Can someone do something about this please?   https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7331
18:47 Niften ewww
18:47 Niften disgusting
18:47 Niften ive heard of a tp converter before evergreen
18:47 Niften sfan5 made one
18:47 Niften just ask him bout that
18:48 Evergreen You know you can do it by hand righT?
18:48 Evergreen Plus, in the wrong section of the fourms
18:48 sfan5 Niften: I did make one?
18:48 Niften yes
18:48 Evergreen and, the tp converters don't really work that well
18:48 Niften i know
18:48 Niften there isnt a good one out there
18:48 Evergreen It's best to do it by hand
18:48 Niften i know.
18:49 Niften ever since the 1.5 update in minecraft its in individual png files; very easy to convert..
18:49 NakedFury super easy
18:49 Niften i know
18:49 Niften except for the lazy ones who want programs to do it for them
18:49 * prestotron55 has gotten accpeted to a new job
18:50 Niften prestotron55, all you do here is be annoying in the irc -.-
18:50 PilzAdam 3.. 2.. 1.. fight!
18:50 Niften ring ring
18:50 * PilzAdam grabs popcorn
18:50 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:50 Evergreen There are some things you have to do by hand though, like the greyscale images for grass, leaves, etc
18:50 Niften true evergreen.
18:50 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:50 NakedFury ugh yes the grey scale
18:50 Niften but if you have a good program, you can just colorize correct?
18:51 NakedFury yeah that is one thing I still cant do
18:51 Niften i wish ms paint had more features, but i figured out a way to make pixel art with it really easily :D
18:51 Niften evergreen, nakedfury
18:51 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:51 Niften if you go back into previous updates
18:51 Niften there is no grayscale
18:51 Niften if you go back far enough
18:52 Evergreen Yes, but I like the colors in the new version better
18:52 NakedFury I do have the far back enough files for the packs I like
18:52 Niften true
18:52 Niften you can just select a previous version
18:52 NakedFury but like evergreen said the new ones look better
18:52 Niften mmhmm
18:52 Niften so i just tint it with red then colorize to the color i want them to be.
18:52 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:53 Niften prestotron, we aren't talking about ms paint.
18:53 Niften -.-
18:53 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:53 Niften oh god you are so annoying
18:53 Niften :/
18:54 kaeza ShadowNinja, rollback seems to work for signs :)
18:54 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:54 Niften uh, what?
18:54 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:55 Niften preston
18:55 Niften please stop.
18:55 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:55 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:55 MinetestBot prestotron55!
18:55 * Jordach summons proller
18:55 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:55 Jordach i could mute both of you
18:55 Niften jordach
18:55 Niften plz mute him
18:55 Niften D:
18:55 Jordach NO
18:55 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:55 Jordach GTFO both noobs
18:56 Niften oh, 0bg and i are making a new biome implementation :D
18:56 proller noob17 here again..
18:56 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:56 Niften noob19 :D
18:56 Niften alright
18:56 kaeza noobsaibot
18:56 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:56 Niften back to what i was saying
18:57 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:57 Niften i like sapier's animal framework (mobf) but there should be another (better) implementation of 3d mobs..
18:57 proller but only noob17 have unlimited stupidity
18:57 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:58 Niften wasnt talking about appearances
18:58 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:58 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:58 Niften ugh
18:59 prestotron55 [deleted]
18:59 Niften nah
18:59 Niften im making mt games now
18:59 Niften releasing crevis as a game
18:59 Niften :D
18:59 prestotron55 [deleted]
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18:59 Niften but im taking a break from it to work on me and 0bg's game
19:00 Niften 0bg and i are rebuilding it from scratch
19:00 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:00 * prestotron55 and Zeg9 are working together on ponies!
19:00 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:01 proller prestotron55, you draw pony in paint?
19:01 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:02 Jordach prestotron55, you can't blender like me
19:02 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:02 Jordach and you're texturing is worse then 0.2-dev
19:02 Jordach -e
19:02 Jordach -'
19:02 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:02 proller prestotron55, but blender have noob protection, how you start it?
19:03 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:03 Evergreen prestotron55: I have worked with Zeg9 on multiple occasions.   He is awesome
19:03 Evergreen As well as
19:03 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:03 Evergreen *As well as Mossmanikin
19:03 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:03 Evergreen They are both good at modding and texturing
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19:05 univeralbuilder FOR THE pipeworks mod, if you place a vertical pipe over water, will the water go up?
19:05 Jordach univeralbuilder, nope
19:05 Dan_D Is there a gui-based Github client for Linux?
19:05 univeralbuilder how do you make it go up?
19:05 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:05 Dan_D What is it
19:05 prestotron55 [deleted]
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19:06 Jordach hey Calinou
19:06 Dan_D So it is not gui based
19:06 Calinou hi
19:06 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:06 Dan_D Would it work with Wine?
19:06 * prestotron55 summons Niften
19:07 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:07 Dan_D I already have the Windows one on Windows
19:07 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:07 PilzAdam Dan_D, of course there are GUI frontends for git on Linux
19:07 Dan_D Mono? What is that
19:07 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:07 Dan_D Nah, I won't bother
19:08 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:08 Calinou what do you need a GUI for?
19:08 Dan_D I can never remember terminal commands
19:08 Calinou command line isn't that hard to use
19:08 Calinou command line git*
19:08 Dan_D I have to write them down, then forget where I wrote them down
19:08 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:08 Dan_D Ok
19:08 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:09 Dan_D Well, I am installing Cola Git GUI
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19:11 Calinou prestotron55: don't use sudo unless it is needed
19:11 Calinou it is a bad idea to do so
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19:15 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:15 Calinou no, not at all
19:16 Calinou at worst you let the program designers touch any file
19:16 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:16 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:16 sfan5 ?
19:16 sfan5 ..
19:16 sfan5 sudo to install things
19:16 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:17 sfan5 1) You apparently don't have a clue what sudo is/does
19:17 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:17 jin_xi it makes stuff go faster man
19:17 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:17 sfan5 2) I didn't tell you to use sudo for compiling and downloading
19:17 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:17 sfan5 really? what is it and what does it do then?
19:18 sfan5 I didn't tell you to use sudo
19:18 AWTom Sudo takes advantage of cloud Linux servers to speed operations up. We can thank Red Hat for that.
19:18 VanessaE o.O
19:18 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:18 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:19 AWTom apt-get install requires sudo
19:19 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:19 sfan5 prestotron55: that command installs things, no compiling or downloading
19:19 sfan5 now..
19:19 sfan5 what does sudo do?
19:19 AWTom Suck Up Dirt, Ovaries
19:20 Evergreen Now class, can you tell me what sudo does?
19:20 Evergreen (you don't know how to use linux if you can't answer this correctly)
19:20 VanessaE silyl user deserves ownage?
19:20 * prestotron55 raises hand
19:20 VanessaE silyl*
19:20 Evergreen Yes,  prestotron55
19:20 VanessaE silly**
19:21 Evergreen Now please tell me prestotron55, what does sudo do?
19:21 AWTom he's taking his time with this Google search...
19:21 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:21 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:22 sfan5 >revoke the cached authentication action of user
19:22 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:22 sfan5 copy-paste from google search detected
19:22 sfan5 that is wrong
19:22 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:22 sfan5 also wrong
19:22 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:22 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:23 sfan5 no, ofc not
19:23 AWTom Super User DO
19:23 sfan5 AWTom: you ruined it :-/
19:23 AWTom :o
19:23 sfan5 prestotron55: find out yourself
19:23 AWTom what's the difference between super user and root?
19:23 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:23 VanessaE I repeat what I said before, Silly User Deserves Ownage. :)
19:24 Evergreen ^  So true
19:24 jin_xi shut up derp oktxbai
19:24 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:25 PilzAdam prestotron55, just stop, its obvious that you just copy things you dont understand
19:25 AWTom SUDO means "perform this action with root permissions"
19:25 Calinou superuser do
19:25 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:25 Evergreen If you sudo -i you will become root
19:25 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:26 AWTom prestotron55: what you said didn't make any sense
19:26 AWTom "to have it a very old modification timestamp" wtf does that mean
19:26 Evergreen wikipedia isn't always right you know
19:26 prestotron55 [deleted]
19:26 AWTom darn
19:27 Calinou it often is, Evergreen
19:27 Calinou except when "Steam is made to piss off its users to buy games"
19:27 * Calinou opened the Steam page on wikipedia once and saw that
19:27 Evergreen plol
19:28 Evergreen Yes, it is correct most of the time, but you wouldn't want to use it for a serious research paper
19:29 AWTom the Windows page is semi-protected indefinitely, but the Linux page only has have new/unregistered user's edits reviewed.
19:30 AWTom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki​/Windows#Emulation_software Wine is listed :(
19:33 univeralbuilder what does an autocrafter do?
19:33 VanessaE just what it sounds like
19:34 VanessaE you feed items to it via pipeworks tubes, give it a recipe, and it follows the recipe repeatedly
19:34 VanessaE as long as it has materials to craft with, that is
19:35 VanessaE so if for example, you place 6 wood into the autocrafter's recipe grid to make a door, and then start feeding it more wood via tubes, it'll start making doors until it runs out of wood.
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19:35 VanessaE hey dan
19:36 Dan_D VanessaE, if I want to use git command line in Linux, assuming Ihave never used it before, how do I login, and push a repo?
19:36 Jordach login is when you push to the repo
19:36 VanessaE you just need to open a terminal.  to push to a repo,   cd repofolder; git add . ; git commit ; git push
19:36 Jordach it should ask for github username and password
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19:37 VanessaE if you set it up right, it'll just go right in without a password (e.g. using ssh keys)
19:37 Niften back
19:37 Jordach i prefer a passworded one
19:37 VanessaE Jordach: ssh keys are more secure
19:37 Jordach that way no one can contribute fucked code
19:37 Dan_D Ok
19:38 Miner_48er what unit is max_lag in /status in?
19:38 VanessaE max_lag?
19:38 VanessaE I never noticed that before.
19:38 VanessaE seconds, I guess
19:39 Dan_D Ok, I typed my username and password,howdo I say what I want the commit message to be?
19:39 VanessaE when you did `git commit`
19:39 Dan_D Oh
19:39 VanessaE it should have opened an editor
19:39 Dan_D Oh well
19:39 Dan_D Nope
19:39 VanessaE that's where the commit msg goes
19:39 VanessaE did you `git add .` first?
19:40 VanessaE (with the period)
19:40 Dan_D I did them all in one line, with the period
19:40 Dan_D I will try again
19:40 Dan_D It says 'nothing to commit
19:41 VanessaE then there's nothing to commit :P
19:41 VanessaE what's the repo?
19:41 Dan_D So how do I setb a commit message then?
19:41 Dan_D Castle repo
19:41 VanessaE last commit I see there is from today
19:41 VanessaE about 13 mins ago
19:41 Dan_D Ok, it was about 3 seconds ago
19:41 VanessaE "Fixed tapestry being slightly wrong nodebox, made jail door use jail bar-like texture"
19:42 Dan_D What??? How the hell did that commit?
19:42 * VanessaE shrugs
19:42 Dan_D That was using cola gui, but I never had to log in...
19:42 univeralbuilder how do you make an autocrafter?
19:42 VanessaE it was probably using ssh keys
19:42 VanessaE univeralbuilder: I already told you.
19:43 VanessaE univeralbuilder: right click.  Put some materials in the autocrafter's crafting grid to form a recipe.  Start piping more materials to it via tubes.
19:43 Dan_D But hoiw did it work without password?
19:43 VanessaE it will craft that recipe repeatedly until it runs out
19:43 VanessaE Dan_D: ssh keys probably.
19:43 Miner_48er https://github.com/VanessaE/pipew​orks/blob/master/autocrafter.lua
19:43 Dan_D What are they?
19:44 Dan_D ssh key I mean
19:44 univeralbuilder i didnt recall that
19:44 univeralbuilder sorry vaneessa
19:44 VanessaE Dan_D: it's an encryption key that you would have created during set-up of the repository
19:44 VanessaE you probably did it without realizing :)
19:44 Dan_D I used theGUI on Windows to set it up
19:45 VanessaE interesting.
19:46 VanessaE well anyway the commit is there.  Now just do the `cd;git add....;git push` line each time you want to push a new change
19:46 Dan_D Ok
19:46 Dan_D I just did another commit- is it showing yet?
19:46 * VanessaE argues with minetestmapper C++ to get a new map overview to render.
19:46 VanessaE not yet, no
19:46 VanessaE did you push?
19:47 Dan_D IDK
19:48 Dan_D THAT IS WEIRD!
19:48 VanessaE there it is
19:49 Dan_D I have to use Cola GUI to 'commit' and set the message, then command line to make it actually push
19:49 Dan_D Weird to hell
19:49 VanessaE you can also `git commit -m "some text here"`
19:49 VanessaE that's how you set the message from the command-line, if you don't want to use the editor.
19:49 Dan_D Can you update it on your server? The wrong nodebox has been bugging me for ages
19:49 VanessaE sure
19:50 Dan_D It keeps irritating me every time i see it...
19:51 Calinou -m is way better than not using -m :P
19:51 VanessaE Dan_D: done.
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19:52 Dan_D Thanks, is the server re-started now?
19:52 Dan_D Or will I have to wait for the change?
19:52 VanessaE it's restarted.
19:52 Dan_D Also VanessaE, can you move the forum page (in modding general) to mod releases?
19:53 Dan_D Along with my TBM reloaded mod?
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19:53 Dan_D Also, they should really be called banners, not tapestries.
19:53 Dan_D But who cares
19:54 VanessaE moved.
19:54 Dan_D Thanks
19:54 Dan_D Do you have Wine?
19:54 Dan_D If so, can you tell me how my Minetest Mapper c++ frontend performs on Linux?
19:54 Jordach .bat doesnt work on Linux
19:55 Dan_D No, it is .exe
19:55 Dan_D And has been for a while
19:55 kaeza VanessaE, you need to do "git init" if it's a new repo
19:56 Dan_D It is just updating a current repo, that's all
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19:56 Peacock what are the tricks again for dealing with wonky inventory images?
19:57 Niften peacock are we doing the biome thing?
19:57 Peacock not me
19:57 Niften D;
19:57 Peacock you were talking to... ogb about that yesterday?
19:58 Niften yeah
19:58 Peacock i thought you were doing it w/ him
19:58 Niften were doing a game together
19:58 Jordach Niften, have you tried reading
19:58 Peacock well i aint doing any biome thing when having biome support in the API would make more sense
19:58 Niften true peacock
19:58 Jordach (hint: they are two round things in your skull)
19:59 Niften xD
19:59 Niften jordach, i dont think there's a biome implementation into minetest yet?
19:59 Jordach Mapgen V7
19:59 Jordach ^ try that
19:59 Niften i know.
19:59 Peacock isn't that the all-rock mapgen?
19:59 Niften v7 is all stone D:
19:59 Niften but it looks sexy
19:59 Niften brb
19:59 Peacock monobiome support :P
19:59 kaeza huh
20:00 kaeza Peacock, you need to define biomes
20:00 Peacock ok so it is done, then what the hell were niften and ogb talking about then? lol
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20:01 Peacock ill take the silence to mean they didn't know about mgv7 lol
20:03 kaeza yep
20:03 Peacock lol but seriously, how do i stop half the inventory images on the p4 from wonking out? most people run way more mods than me
20:04 kaeza https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/​100008207/screenshot_2656622662.jpg
20:04 kaeza ^ mgv7
20:05 Peacock looks kinda like the v5 :-)
20:05 kaeza yep :P
20:05 Peacock i wonder, are inv images loaded into graphics memory?
20:06 kaeza someone found a way by defining custom inventory_image fields for items
20:07 kaeza or so I heard
20:09 Peacock already did that for all the stuff that isn't in creative
20:09 Niften back
20:10 Niften kaeza
20:10 Niften is there a functional dev build for mgv7?
20:10 kaeza ...
20:10 Peacock maybe i could tweak my custom UI to not show all the shapes of the same node at once
20:10 VanessaE all dev builds have that
20:10 VanessaE you just have to use it
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20:11 kaeza Niften, PilzTest uses mgv7; try it
20:11 Niften alright thanks
20:11 nore bbl
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20:12 Niften https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/​100008207/screenshot_2656622662.jpg
20:12 Niften ^ impressive
20:12 Niften brn
20:12 Niften brb
20:12 Peacock cuz my mblocks has something like 160 textures, 2/3's of those are full house (stairs, corner stairs, slopes, columns) so thats alot of shit lol
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20:13 Peacock maybe an expandable row for those extra shapes all with the same inventory image would alleviate the p4 lol
20:14 Peacock but then they'd all look the same in the hotbar too :/
20:14 Calinou night
20:15 OldCoder Night
20:15 VanessaE night
20:23 Peacock third or fourth round of elimination lol http://s14.postimg.org/rf9lnp​mgh/screenshot_1801296159.png
20:24 Niften back
20:24 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:27 Niften ty
20:27 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:27 Niften ah, investigating mgv7
20:28 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:28 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:29 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:29 Niften preston
20:29 Evergreen prestotron55: There are plenty of games that can take advantage of mgv7
20:29 Niften mgv7 stone is fixed
20:29 Niften and lua biomes can be defined with mgv7 i believe
20:29 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:29 Evergreen And also, no new biomes.    I can assure you that it will not be merged
20:30 Evergreen prestotron55: -_-
20:30 sfan5 Niften: there is nothing to be fixed in mgv7, it generates stone if not biomes are defined
20:30 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:30 Niften its released, just not stable or in an official update yet
20:30 Niften i know sfan5
20:30 sfan5 -t
20:30 Niften i never said something needed to be fixed
20:30 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:30 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:30 Niften i have mgv7.
20:30 Evergreen Requests for who?
20:30 sfan5 Niften: but you said it was fixed
20:30 Niften :p
20:30 Niften oh.
20:30 Niften my bad sfan5.
20:30 Evergreen Just because it is requested doesn't mean it will be merged
20:31 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:31 Niften it was the first word that came to my mind xD
20:31 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:31 Evergreen To put it simply, no.
20:31 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:31 Peacock theres mgv7 and indev i think
20:31 Evergreen Yep
20:32 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:32 Peacock have any mods used the math mapgens yet?
20:32 Peacock im curious to see what ppl come up with
20:32 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:32 Evergreen What made you think I was a core dev?
20:32 Peacock evergreen he thinks he's a core dev :P
20:32 Peacock so it stands to reason anyone smarter would be too :P
20:33 Evergreen Oh
20:33 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:33 Peacock (mostly kidding)
20:33 Evergreen I didn't say no to it, but I said that a core dev will
20:33 Evergreen I know this, I mean just look at the amount of pull requests that aren't merged
20:33 Peacock Unlimited power! http://www.dion.nu/weblog/img/sith3.jpg
20:34 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:34 Peacock theres a chance ittl get merged, i dont think theyd make you core for that tho lol
20:34 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:34 PilzAdam lol
20:35 Peacock it reduce my expectations further :P
20:35 PilzAdam prestotron55, just stop talking, its better for you
20:35 Peacock hey it livens the place up :P
20:35 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:35 Niften :p
20:35 Evergreen Actually, I have a question.    How does one become qualified to be a core dev/moderator
20:35 Peacock this place is a like a funeral parlour on the weekend :P
20:35 Niften evergreen
20:35 Evergreen lol
20:35 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:35 Niften they're qualified if they contribute enough i think, to keep it running.
20:36 Evergreen I kind of thought so
20:36 Niften mmhmm
20:36 Niften otherwise the community are the developers
20:36 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:37 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:37 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:37 MinetestBot Hi prestotron55.
20:38 LazyJ Does anyone here know what affect the congestion_control settings have? When to increase, when to decrease?
20:39 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:39 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:39 MinetestBot prestotron55!
20:39 Niften MinetestBot!
20:39 MinetestBot Niften!
20:39 Niften i wuv you MinetestBot!
20:39 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:39 Niften MinetestBot!
20:39 MinetestBot Niften!
20:39 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:39 MinetestBot Hey prestotron55!
20:40 Niften hey minetestbot
20:40 MinetestBot sup Niften!
20:40 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:40 PilzAdam dont abuse the bot
20:40 Niften alright
20:40 Niften hes fun to play with
20:40 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:40 * Peacock molests the bot
20:40 * prestotron55 slaps Peacock in the face
20:40 MinetestBot Niften: fuck, nobody plays with me!
20:40 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:40 Niften was kicked by MinetestBot: Niften
20:41 Peacock prostatetron: how do you know im not a masochist?
20:41 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:41 Peacock i run linux after all XD :P
20:42 * prestotron55 is now biffles with Peacock
20:42 Peacock query, biffles?
20:42 Peacock sounds like a brand of dog treats
20:42 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:42 Peacock oh deer lord lol
20:42 * prestotron55 is now biffles with Peacock for his use of linux
20:42 prestotron55 [deleted]
20:42 Peacock in soviet Russia, linux uses you
20:43 PilzAdam bye
20:43 * prestotron55 turns PilzAdams PC back on
20:43 Peacock i think we made him segfault :/
20:43 * prestotron55 runs away
20:45 Peacock jesus lol there's a full two pages of inventory with blank tiles on the p4 :/
20:46 Peacock eventually i'll have to put the old bitch out of her misery, but it plays hd movies so well :S
20:50 kaeza the good thing with old hardware is that you are not tempted to install useless stuff :P
20:51 Jordach Peacock, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdDxjeccjmI
20:51 kaeza I used to live just fine with 4GB, now 500GB is not enough ._.
20:51 Peacock is cant, is playing http://hypem.com/track/1zcr3/Janet+Jackson​+-+Rock+With+You+%28Milo+Mills+Edition%29
20:51 Peacock kaeza tell me about it, when i bought a 1tb i though i'd be good for ten years lol
20:52 Peacock 2 years later, im like "shit, i need 3 more tb"
20:53 Peacock had a Game of Thrones marathon last week, filled up my last hard drive with what free space i had left lol
20:54 Peacock though i dont hold onto shows that get cancelled without a finale
21:01 Jordach prestotron55, no spam: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=112590#p112590
21:01 Jordach i'll place it in the trash area until we find a place for it
21:03 Jordach ^ VanessaE, thexyz
21:03 Jordach (highlight to let you two decide)
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21:14 Evergreen Sorry, about that, working on a presentation for how to build a fire
21:15 BlockMen bye
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21:18 Miner_48er any new updates to farming can't get anything to grow in a cave?
21:20 Peacock thought about lighting>
21:20 Peacock *?
21:21 Miner_48er yes
21:21 Miner_48er torches
21:21 Peacock then im stumped lol
21:26 LazyJ My turn!
21:26 LazyJ What does the "-n" switch do in the "set" command?
21:28 VanessaE makes a new key.
21:29 VanessaE if the setting didn't exist in minetest.conf, it creates it.
21:29 LazyJ So if the "key" already exists in minetest.conf, does it change the existing key or create another without commenting out the prior?
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21:30 VanessaE it just changes it but it doesn't overwrite whatever was in the .conf
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21:30 Dark_Soul VanessaE i will need you help in bit it you got time :)
21:30 LazyJ Ah, and while I have your ear, VanessaE, how big does your rollback file get?
21:31 VanessaE LazyJ: often it exceeds 2-3 GB, I have to delete it periodically.
21:31 LazyJ We are contemplating enabling it but have concerns of it ballooning to match the world file.
21:31 VanessaE Dark_Soul: depends on what the help is
21:31 VanessaE LazyJ: expect it to exceed the world file if you have enough players.
21:31 Dark_Soul with the config for a server to be up with out me on on ubuto (sorry bad spelling) i found out wat i was doing wrong last time
21:32 LazyJ Ok, good to know. Thanks VanessaE. ;)
21:33 * VanessaE is fading kinda fast......
21:33 VanessaE tiiiiiired
21:33 Dark_Soul lol VanessaE if you want i can wait lo;
21:33 Dark_Soul lol
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21:42 Niften hello
21:44 VanessaE Opinions requested:  https://github.com/VanessaE/hdx-512/commit​/a820ce614039e6618e9eeaae1bf0534df978d2c1
21:52 john_minetest cya
21:54 kaeza looks nice
21:55 kaeza the one for the bottom side causes me vertigo :S
21:55 VanessaE heh
21:59 univeralbuilder what does the valve in the pipeworks mod do
21:59 VanessaE turns the water on/off :)
21:59 VanessaE it can be connected to mesecons also.
21:59 Exio4 anyone here with a sega genesis controller?
22:00 Exio4 did anyone even try to plug it to the pc?
22:00 univeralbuilder whats the point of connecting it to a mesecon?
22:00 VanessaE univeralbuilder: to let a mesecons circuit turn the water on/off remotely
22:00 univeralbuilder does that mean that the mesecons can connect to another valve and turn both on and off at the same itme?
22:01 VanessaE yep
22:01 VanessaE bbl, I'm falling asleep at the keys
22:01 univeralbuilder does the valve have to connect to the pump?
22:01 VanessaE it just has to be in a pipeline somewhere.
22:01 VanessaE the pump can also connect to mesecons, to turn it on/off remotely
22:02 VanessaE ok, I'm out.
22:02 kaeza night
22:03 Peacock weird sleep hours :P
22:04 Peacock its 6pm over there too right?
22:06 Miner_48er yes
22:19 LazyJ Thowing this out here again, anyone here know what affect the congestion control parameters have? Increase/decrease one or the other?
22:23 LazyJ Ok, how about the emergequeue settings?
22:25 Miner_48er VanessaE,BrandonReese either of you tried this ^ ?
22:26 LazyJ I think VanessaE said she was out for the night. She's a night-owl like me.
22:27 LazyJ I'm currently wide-eyed on too much coffee to sleep.
22:27 Miner_48er it's 6pm for her
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22:27 Niften hi!
22:28 Niften still trying to understand how mgv7 works..
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22:40 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:40 MinetestBot sup prestotron55.
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22:54 dafull97 Hey guys
22:54 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:54 us_0gb Hello!
22:54 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:54 dafull97 us_0gb!
22:54 dafull97 haha
22:54 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:54 MinetestBot prestotron55!
22:54 dafull97 Lol
22:55 us_0gb It appears so. A little collaboration should help the project a lot. It will at least keep some of my crazier ideas out of the way.\
22:55 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:55 * prestotron55 is private messaging MinetestBot!
22:55 dafull97 so question to the active memebers of IRC, what is somthing that you would like to see in Minetest, like a Server.. better Chat?
22:55 kaeza does anybody recall what's the name of the mod that adds the truckload of colored wool blocks?
22:56 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:56 dafull97 us_0gb, what i said ^^
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22:57 us_0gb He can rip off Minecraft if he wants. He's already adding livestock from Minecraft.
22:57 prestotron55 [deleted]
22:57 us_0gb Cows, pigs, et cetera.
22:58 us_0gb dafull97, more support for free software. Minetest itself is free software.
22:58 dafull97 us_0gb, such as?
22:58 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:00 us_0gb Well, mostly all I plan to do is nodes and node-related things. And due to the duality of my plan, my code will both work for the shared game and my personal game. I will glue some other things together, but if this doesn't go well, I haven't lost much.
23:00 Peacock should add politician livestock, provides copious amounts of manure
23:01 us_0gb dafull97, I don't know. Trying to get people to quit using propitiatory software? I can't do it on my own without really annoying people.
23:01 Niften 0gb!
23:01 us_0gb Hello!
23:01 Niften :D
23:01 Niften dude!
23:01 Peacock you shouldn't try at all :P
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23:01 Niften ive been looking into the biome thing
23:01 Peacock ie, its not freedom if people can't chose for themselves
23:01 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:01 dafull97 propitiatory?
23:01 dafull97 english?
23:02 Niften i decided not to do an lua one
23:02 dafull97 =P
23:02 Niften but we can use mgv7 0gb
23:02 us_0gb I'm trying. I have to try to show people the evils of evil software licensing.
23:02 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:02 us_0gb dafull97, nonfree code. Free as in freedom, not price. For example, Adobe Flash is NOT free.
23:03 dafull97 so, like... open-source?
23:03 us_0gb Mapgen 7 seems to be the only one with ice. I'm trying to cover both v7 and singlenode.
23:03 Niften mmhmm
23:03 Niften v7 has its problems though.
23:03 us_0gb Open source, yes, but some open source code is not free (meaning you can SEE the source, but not MODIFY it).
23:03 Niften for example, v7 doesnt support trees yet i dont think.
23:04 Niften but an easy lua tree gen mod could cover that
23:04 dafull97 us_0gb, start a cause?
23:04 Niften @VanessaE's More Trees
23:04 dafull97 us_0gb, hold your thoughts on a paper gtg... be back later
23:04 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:04 us_0gb I plan to make some extra trees anyway, so we can use those. But in that case, I'll support v6 as well.
23:05 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:05 us_0gb A cause of what?
23:05 us_0gb Never mind.
23:05 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:05 Niften 0gb
23:05 Peacock considering software dev is one of the US's strengths, i wouldn't wail against the prop. industry :P
23:05 Niften i suck at making models for trees, are you good with those?
23:05 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:06 Peacock and if all software were free, the gov't would have to pay people to code, and i'd rather pay taxes to house the homeless, feed the starving and care for the ill first :P
23:06 Niften and, 0gb, with the livestock i'm not going to make it anywhere near minecraft's.
23:06 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:07 Niften ugh
23:07 us_0gb Peacock, one of many problems with nonfree code is that you don't know what it's doing. Some people build malicious features into it.
23:07 Niften you wont give me it anyway lol
23:07 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:07 Peacock well if that's your biggest social concern, i'd suggest you got your priorities wrong :P
23:07 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:07 us_0gb Peacock, also, some people SELL free software. It's not free as in without charge.
23:07 Niften prestotron: you never offered it to me
23:08 Peacock very few people can actually make a living off free software, pointing to redhat wont change that
23:08 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:08 us_0gb Niften, I've never done trees, but it's on my list.
23:08 us_0gb Red Hat isn't fully free either.
23:08 Peacock and if you base a software economy on support, what you end up with is shitty software that requires constant support
23:08 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:08 Niften ill try learn, 0gb.. seems hard just by looking at VanessaE's tree models..
23:08 Niften prestotron: that was before IT
23:08 Niften :p
23:09 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:09 Niften "<prestotron55> So you are maintaining him so he doesn't rip off Minetests mods and stuff" wtf?
23:09 us_0gb I'm going to try when I have time. For now I need to draw webs and test wallmounted slabs.
23:09 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:09 Niften o.O
23:09 Niften tell me when i ripped something off from minetest's community?
23:10 Niften i would never do that
23:10 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:10 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:10 Niften that was you.
23:10 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:10 Niften removed gem
23:10 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:10 Niften -.-
23:10 Niften download it now and look for it.
23:11 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:11 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:11 Niften "Crevis 2.2.3 Released by Preston on July 29, 2013 Crevis 2.2.3 is going to be a pretty cool update. You guys are in for a treat: In a few days this will be released! Beds Realistic sheep(with wool drops for bed) Snow biomes Snow hits the ground when it snows and melts later."
23:12 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:12 Niften preston, you can stop lying.
23:12 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:12 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:12 MinetestBot prestotron55!
23:12 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:14 Niften Crevis 2.1.3 by Preston on July 9, 2013 Crevis 2.1.3 is out! Download the new launcher!+ Gems New Tools TNT Gunpowder NEW MAP GENERATOR! Cactus hurts you Eating Water and lava sounds
23:14 Peacock nothing like eating water and lava
23:14 Niften "Donations by Preston on July 9, 2013 Crevis has set up a donation page. You can donate $5 to Electroware and then send us an email saying you donated, we will preorder the newest Crevis update so you have it before everyone else. "
23:14 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:15 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:15 Niften im not lying.
23:15 Niften i dont have a paypal smart one.
23:15 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:15 Niften i have the irc conversation with pilzadam and jordach + more recorded.
23:15 Niften you can find it.
23:15 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:15 Peacock girls, calm down
23:16 Niften peacock <3
23:16 Niften im going to find the conv
23:16 * prestotron55 apoligizes to his biffle, Peacock
23:16 us_0gb I fell to the bottom of the world because the land didn't generate ...
23:16 Peacock if you really wanna fight, i can give you handbags with bottles of gin in them, the first to knock the other out wins
23:17 Peacock (and gets to drink both)
23:17 * prestotron55 drinks it!
23:17 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:17 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:17 Niften peacock, is it possible to search for a keyword in the IRC/
23:17 Niften ?
23:18 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:18 Peacock the russians log everything on irc :P
23:18 Peacock http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/
23:20 us_0gb I don't get it ... Now the map generator is working again ....
23:20 us_0gb What is going on here?
23:20 Peacock ogb: it's a feature :P
23:20 * prestotron55 is going to sleep after Niften inds this proof
23:21 Niften found it
23:21 us_0gb No. The map generator sometimes completely failing to generate anything (not even air) is NOT a feature.
23:21 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:22 Niften oops, wrong one
23:23 Niften hold on
23:23 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:23 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:23 Niften 0gb i pretty much completed the generator for our game
23:23 Niften i did
23:23 Niften i found a series
23:23 Niften just need to fight the right 1
23:23 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:24 us_0gb Oh, you did? Drats, I had most of the node already before we started.
23:26 Niften got it!
23:26 Niften http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-08-06
23:27 Niften going into skype logs
23:27 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:27 Peacock of course its a feature :P its a feature until a bug is acknowledged (3 months), then your stupid for another 3 months, then a fix comes out XD
23:28 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:28 Peacock *you're
23:28 us_0gb I'm stupid because I can creat two different worlds without altering the code and one will be full of CONTENT_IGNORE? No. I will not accept that.
23:28 us_0gb *create
23:29 Niften preston
23:29 Niften you posted mine
23:29 Niften me ‎10‎:‎19‎ ‎AM Why should I pay you when you don't do anything though?    You sit around pulling mods and expect me to pay you..        Preston Cammarata ‎10‎:‎19‎ ‎AM Exactly, I wouldnt have done anything without pay. 6 others already payed me for their help        me ‎10‎:‎19‎ ‎AM Preston   ‎10‎:‎20‎ ‎AM You didn't do anything in the first place        Preston Cammarata ‎10‎:‎20â
23:29 Niften exactly what you said ^
23:30 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:30 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:30 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:30 Niften preston.
23:30 Niften stop. lying.
23:30 Niften i cant put words in that format that quickly.
23:30 Niften Preston Cammarata ‎10‎:‎35‎ ‎AM K   ‎10‎:‎36‎ ‎AM NANNANANANA    NNANANA    Btw I'm DDoSing Crevis :)    nnanananan    mnananananqv
23:30 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:30 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:31 Niften Preston Cammarata ‎10‎:‎19‎ ‎AM Exactly, I wouldnt have done anything without pay. 6 others already payed me for their help
23:31 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:31 Peacock i wasn't calling you stupid :P im more or less describing my experience with the vlc dev team lol
23:31 Niften calling yourself a core dev
23:32 Niften telling me that you had a "job" at minetest
23:32 Niften LOLOLOLOLOL
23:32 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:32 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:32 Peacock a job pays real money :P
23:32 Niften "Im a core dev for Minetest"
23:32 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:32 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:32 Peacock mt would have to be production quality to pay anyone :P
23:33 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:33 Peacock deli? i did that for a few months
23:33 Peacock was fun, got to bring home surplus meats and cheeses
23:33 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:33 prestotron55 [deleted]
23:34 Peacock prosciutto is hella expensive otherwise
23:34 Peacock seriously? lol
23:34 Peacock jesus i was cleaning 18-wheelers at 14
23:35 Peacock using slicers is a heckuva lot less dangerous than working a convenience store at night, and they take < 18 yrs old for that here
23:36 Peacock though none of the hoods tried to rob me twice, not after the first time with the baseball bat lol
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23:36 Peacock minetest bot is on strike for better pay
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23:36 Peacock so you can't fuck it?
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23:37 us_0gb It seems "Good night.
23:38 us_0gb Soory, error.
23:38 us_0gb I meant just good night.
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