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00:00 sdzen No GLX support available. OpenGL driver will not work.
00:00 * sdzen is on a new distro
00:01 sdzen why does this always happen to me..
00:03 ungali is mesa not installed/configed?
00:03 sdzen its there
00:03 ungali glxgears and all works?
00:03 sdzen first thing I checked actually
00:04 ungali ick. what distro?
00:04 sdzen arch :)
00:04 VanessaE no appropriate -dev package?
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00:05 VanessaE or whatever hars...arch calls it
00:05 VanessaE ;)
00:06 ungali firmware is instlled for graphics card?
00:06 sdzen let me check....
00:13 Jordach arch is for people who keep fucking things up, you know, thexyz
00:14 ungali debian-testing4life!
00:14 ungali afk
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00:27 Jordach you got to be joking
00:28 VanessaE what?
00:28 Jordach i have to convert youtube audio into .wav (YT doesnt allow more than 20 mins for other sites) through VLC, then through LAME JUST to get a mp3 file
00:28 VanessaE meh
00:28 VanessaE use avidemux to rip it.
00:28 VanessaE download the video with keepvid or so
00:28 VanessaE import into avidemux
00:28 VanessaE save the audio out.
00:28 Jordach VanessaE, youtube videos get limited to 20 mins, tops
00:29 VanessaE yep I know, but it sounds like you're downloading, not uploading, so what does the time limit matter?
00:29 VanessaE oh wait
00:29 VanessaE you mean when you download it?
00:29 Jordach mhm
00:29 VanessaE see if you can get a firefox plugin then
00:29 Jordach VanessaE, i did it just now
00:29 VanessaE one of those should be able to fetch the whole thing.
00:31 Jordach my command is: lame -abr 256 LDM.wav output.mp3
00:32 Jordach \o/
00:32 Jordach this method is PERFECT/
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00:32 Jordach sometimes with mp3 conversions provided by youtube-mp3.org fail, this one works 100% every damn time
00:35 Jordach and i've got one that fails playback on my 3DS and phone
00:45 Jordach fail
00:45 Jordach fucking device counts track number as 1,10,11,12,13, and so on
00:48 Jordach thank god 99 solves it (i dont have a track with a "9". but i do have a "09")
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01:00 PilzAdam bye
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01:13 Evergreen I have been gone because I accidentally uninstalled a unity package for part of the gui, and I have also been having internet problems
01:13 Evergreen I am planning on switching to either xfce, or kde desktop managers
01:14 VanessaE XFCE Is Your Friend™
01:14 VanessaE :)
01:18 kaeza ...or fluxbox
01:19 * kaeza gets ~10FPS increase under fluxbox; at least 45 FPS guaranteed :D
01:23 iqualfragile_ VanessaE: i can recommend youtube-dl for downloading videos from youtube and many other video portals
01:23 iqualfragile_ anybody using enlightment?
01:27 VanessaE nope, no one uses that anymore :)
01:27 Pilcrow I've used enlightenment, but I'm on kde now.
01:27 Menche "anymore"? the stable was just released
01:28 Menche i like E17, but i3 has been my preferred wm lately
01:30 Pilcrow tiling desktops have never suited me much. I like to maximize most of my windows.
01:32 Pilcrow I'm still watching LXDE and Razor.
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01:39 youlysses Pilcrow: You can easily maximize windows in tiling wms. :^P
01:40 youlysses Its much easier if you're using a manual, over a dynamic one though.
01:41 Pilcrow oh, thanks. I've tried a few tiling wms that wouldn't let me. I suppose that was quite a while ago though.
01:42 youlysses Pilcrow: My main workflow (via Stumpwm) is mostly just a single Emacs frame, so I share the general sentiment. :^P
01:42 youlysses Or at least a single frame or-so, at any one time.
01:48 Pilcrow interesting. still, I've been with the kde search-and-launch desktop too long to feel comfortable without it now.  :P
01:50 youlysses Pilcrow: Use whatever you're comfy with -- I'm just saying it's do-able. :^)
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01:53 zat Glowlights (box shaped ones) are not glowing for some reason. I thought it could be some mod but it is not that. Could it be a bug?
01:53 VanessaE which mod do you get them from>?
01:53 VanessaE (there are three that provide glowlights)
01:55 zat moreblocks here
01:55 VanessaE moreblocks provided glow glass.
01:56 VanessaE provides*
01:58 zat The ones shown there under lightning section. http://minetest-home-decor.wikia.​com/wiki/Minetest_Home_Decor_Wiki
01:59 VanessaE ok
01:59 VanessaE by default those should always glow
01:59 VanessaE so yeah, some mod has to be turning them off somehow
01:59 VanessaE I know there's one that lets you punch them to turn them on/off
02:00 VanessaE and technic has a version of glowlights that respond only to radiated power
02:00 zat I have mesecons installed.
02:00 zat and... technic...
02:00 VanessaE ok, make sure you're not using technic's glow lights.
02:00 zat let me see
02:00 VanessaE both its and homedecor's will show up in your creative inventory.
02:01 zat yes, I was picking the technic’s ones.
02:02 zat what does it mean to respond only to radiated power?
02:03 VanessaE it means they actually require power
02:03 VanessaE and technic has a power radiator device, basically an inductive charger, that powers those lights.
02:03 zat I tried to do some stuff with mesecon’s elements, thinking the same
02:03 zat ah ok, so I need to do it with that.
02:03 VanessaE nope, definitely not mesecons :)
02:03 zat rofl
02:03 VanessaE mesecons are pure 3.3v logic :)
02:04 zat I am going to understand it eventually.
02:04 Pilcrow it would be nice if the technic lights had a soft-dependancy for mesecons power...  :)
02:04 VanessaE mesecons can't produce power
02:04 VanessaE mesecons are strictly logic
02:05 zat I was sure those generators were mesecon’s.
02:06 zat Geothermal, electric, windmill, etc..
02:08 VanessaE mesecons*
02:08 VanessaE and yeah, there are generators, but they're more like sensors.
02:11 zat The solar ones you mean?
02:12 VanessaE they are all sensors - geothermal is basically a lava sensor, a water turbine is basically a water flow sensor, a solar panel is a light sensor, etc.
02:12 VanessaE well actually I guess mesecons doesn't have a geothermal sensor.
02:12 VanessaE technic has a geothermal generator, but that actually does generate power
02:13 * youlysses needs to see what mods are hosted on the gaming.libreplanet.net instance -- because he's started a water-pump project and doesn't know if there is the infrastructure there to make it actually work.
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02:26 Pilcrow is there some sort of 'wait' capability in a mesecons luacontroller? the microcontroller has an 'after' function, but I've not found something similar in a luacontroller...
02:28 Pilcrow I've tried using interrupts, but it makes for overly complicated code, and sometimes the luacontroller 'overheats' for no apparent reason.
02:46 Pilcrow well, no answer and I need to go to bed. goodnight all.
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03:29 thefamilygrog66 bonjour
03:30 VanessaE hey
03:31 kahrl ça va?
03:31 thefamilygrog66 mauvebic's functions worked for my hedge maze mod, yay!
03:31 VanessaE \o/
03:32 thefamilygrog66 so no need to mess around with goto statements
03:32 thefamilygrog66 though I had to reduce the max size to 91x91 nodes, because any higher causes a stack overflow and crashes the server!
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06:46 sfan5 eh
06:47 VanessaE he's having...problems
06:48 [0gb_us] Well, he is a newbie. Problems are to be expected.
06:49 sfan5 problems != having 5 irc client running at the same time
06:49 [0gb_us] Well, there's that.
06:58 jin_xi suuup guys
06:58 VanessaE hey
06:58 [0gb_us] Not a whole lot. You?
07:00 jin_xi so VanessaE you still trying to rotate ltrees?
07:00 VanessaE I gave up on it for now, but I'm certainly open to suggestions/patches :)
07:00 jin_xi i think you'd need to modify the treedef to do that.
07:01 jin_xi before spawning it.
07:01 VanessaE I already tried :-/
07:02 VanessaE I added a new rule,  rule_c="/"  and called it with a lowercase c at the start of the axiom
07:02 jin_xi http://paste.dy.fi/SZW something like that, then do treedef.axiom = randrot(44)..treedef.axiom
07:02 jin_xi and do that everytime before a tree is spawned
07:02 VanessaE a lowercase 'c', per the API, should have had a random (what was it, 70%?) chance of executing
07:03 VanessaE instead, it seemed like it either just refused to, or always did, depending on how many c's I added to the axiom
07:03 jin_xi oh shit that function wont work... forgot ltrees uses only one angle
07:04 jin_xi but something like that, a function that returns a random string of "---^^//" or so
07:04 VanessaE eh...
07:04 jin_xi anyway i think generally most standard threes could be done using schematics and decorations
07:04 VanessaE I guess if that's how it has to happen, ew.
07:05 e1z0 yo
07:05 VanessaE hi
07:05 jin_xi and lsystem should be redone in lua for flexibility and the occasional special tree or structure
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07:06 VanessaE oh G*d no
07:06 VanessaE the whole point of L-systems was to move the heavy lifting *out* of Lua
07:07 jin_xi http://i.imgur.com/t0XJJDx.png lua lsystem
07:07 jin_xi no more heavy lifting with luaVoxelManip
07:08 VanessaE yeah but Lua doing all those calculations has gotta be slow
07:08 jin_xi also you could pregenerate whatever schematic with lsystems or whatnot
07:08 jin_xi VanessaE: its not slow
07:10 jin_xi idk, i dont use moretrees, but from what i've heard its slow...
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07:42 * GNADev|zRokh wishes that some day the Task of the day would do something with/to to
07:42 GNADev|zRokh with/to him*
07:43 [0gb_us] I guess you aren't as popular as NekoGloop. The task always seems to have something to do with him/her, if it has to do with anyone.
07:43 [0gb_us] At least from what I've seen.
07:44 * GNADev|zRokh wishes tomorrow the TOTD would be "Task of the day: Throw binary code at GNADev|zRokh"
07:44 GNADev|zRokh :D
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07:45 [0gb_us]
07:47 sfan5 !op
07:47 sfan5 wat
07:47 sfan5 !op
07:47 sfan5 not again
07:47 sfan5 *sigh*
07:47 [0gb_us] "Most budgeting articles tell you that debt is akin to death and credit cards are cancer. Sure, cutting debt out of your life completely is solid advice, but often it's a bit like telling a drowning man that water is bad for his lungs."
07:49 Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released; 0.4.8 will be released soon™ | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Task of the Day: It's Saturday.. Buy cookies! \o/ | Don't ask about asking questions.
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07:49 [0gb_us] GNADev|zRokh, you've been passed over again.
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07:53 thexyz Jordach: why do you hate me?
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07:53 thexyz faggot.
07:54 GNADev|zRokh [0gb_us] what do you mean?
07:54 GNADev|zRokh thexyz, who is a faggot?
07:55 thexyz no one is
07:55 * sfan5 is confused.
07:55 thexyz this channel is full of kind people
07:55 GNADev|zRokh yeah, it is, isnt it :)
07:55 * sfan5 is even more confused.
07:55 [0gb_us] GNADev|zRokh, the task of the day was set.
07:56 GNADev|zRokh i know
07:56 GNADev|zRokh but i dunz have bus money or any money at all atm...
07:56 [0gb_us] And you didn't get mentioned in it.
07:56 GNADev|zRokh so i cant drive 13KM to the town and buy cookies
07:57 sfan5 you can buy cookies over this thing called inter-net
07:57 [0gb_us] No worries. I'm not buying cookies either. I'm just taking my pay check to the bank. And maybe getting another credit card.
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07:58 sfan5[Mac] hi everyone
07:58 GNADev|zRokh btw, if anybody wants to know (i mean nobody wants to know) then i gave all my money to my dad because we used a lot of money of the remodeling of out house
07:58 thexyz mac sux, get out
07:58 sfan5[Mac] no
07:58 thexyz okay
07:59 [0gb_us] Hello!
07:59 GNADev|zRokh sfan5 has the mac disease
07:59 [0gb_us] Windows sucks worse, so I don't complain about Macs.
07:59 GNADev|zRokh who doesnt know what that means
07:59 sfan5[Mac] ^
07:59 [0gb_us] Still, OS X is too restricting. I prefer something with freer terms.
07:59 GNADev|zRokh well, the "Mac Disease" is a thing that Mitch and Jerome said before Jerome got a Windows OS to play MC on...
08:00 GNADev|zRokh Mac lagged a lot on Jerome
08:00 thexyz linux is the only true path
08:00 GNADev|zRokh [0gb_us]: Hey, i just thought now, that that is crazy, but what about a Linux OS?
08:00 thexyz or *bsd
08:01 sfan5[Mac] well
08:01 youlysses thexyz: Or Plan9
08:01 sfan5[Mac] you need OSX to make iPhone apps
08:01 youlysses Or Minix
08:01 GNADev|zRokh rlly?
08:01 GNADev|zRokh let me see...
08:01 thexyz youlysses: no one uses those
08:01 thexyz you may as well say something random like reactos
08:01 [0gb_us] GNU/Linux-libre or BSD. Or maybe ReactOS, once it is further along in development.
08:02 youlysses thexyz: Comparatively to the rest of the general population -- "no one" uses GNU+Linux or the BSDs.
08:02 jin_xi ugh. who cares
08:03 * GNADev|zRokh 's left hand hurts
08:04 thexyz youlysses: I'm talking absolute values here
08:05 [0gb_us] One of these days, I'll learn to use BSD. But not today.
08:05 GNADev|zRokh hey, i have a problem (gross off-topic): for the last 3 days i have been shitting blood... help?
08:05 [0gb_us] I'd talk to a doctor about that.
08:05 [0gb_us] Preferably a medical doctor.
08:06 GNADev|zRokh [0gb_us] asdfmovie: the potato pulls out a gun and sais: "Not today."
08:06 [0gb_us] I don't get it.
08:06 GNADev|zRokh wait...
08:06 GNADev|zRokh <?php
08:06 GNADev|zRokh $user = $_GET['user'];
08:06 GNADev|zRokh if($user {
08:06 GNADev|zRokh session_start();
08:06 GNADev|zRokh $SESSION['user'] = $user;
08:06 GNADev|zRokh }
08:06 GNADev|zRokh if(isset($_SESSION['user'])){
08:06 GNADev|zRokh $member = "Hello, ".$user;
08:06 GNADev|zRokh }else{
08:06 GNADev|zRokh $member = "Guest motherfucka!";
08:07 GNADev|zRokh }
08:07 GNADev|zRokh echo $member;
08:07 GNADev|zRokh ?>
08:07 GNADev|zRokh woops
08:07 GNADev|zRokh was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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08:07 sfan5 lol
08:07 GNADev|zRokh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPV6MUDH_Eg
08:07 sfan5 !title
08:07 MinetestBot sfan5: Die, Potato not today - YouTube
08:07 youlysses thexyz: Wait, why? The absolute value of 0, is 0. That being said, there are full-time users of such systems out-there ... so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
08:07 GNADev|zRokh [0gb_us] here you go
08:07 [0gb_us] GNADev|zRokh, you left out a close paren.
08:08 GNADev|zRokh i know, IRC stopped the flood :D
08:08 sfan5 s/IRC/ShadowBot/
08:08 thexyz youlysses: really? I didn't know
08:08 sfan5[Mac] ohhhh...
08:08 sfan5[Mac] shiny..
08:08 GNADev|zRokh no, ChanServ
08:08 sfan5[Mac] it was shadowBot
08:08 GNADev|zRokh then SB kicked me
08:08 [0gb_us] No, the close paren is missing early on in the post.
08:08 GNADev|zRokh and Pidgin revived me :D
08:08 sfan5[Mac] LimeChat also previews YouTube videos
08:08 sfan5[Mac] nice...
08:08 [0gb_us] <GNADev|zRokh>  if($user {
08:09 GNADev|zRokh :D
08:09 GNADev|zRokh nvm doods
08:09 GNADev|zRokh srsly, its saturday, i dont want to think about coding... that much :D
08:09 youlysses thexyz: Admittedly, not many -- but some is surely not none. There are very few that use Emacs as ~90% of their daily workflow and is lusting for it to take up more -- but I exist. :^P
08:10 youlysses GNADev|zRokh: The weekend is the perfect time to hack something together hough! :^)
08:10 jin_xi youlysses: you using erc?
08:10 GNADev|zRokh sure :D
08:10 * youlysses plans on continuing work on his minetest.scm package for GNU Guix this weekend.
08:10 youlysses jin_xi: Yup.
08:12 GNADev|zRokh question: is there ANYBODY who would like to learn Java?
08:12 GNADev|zRokh PM me if you do :D
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08:15 GNADev|zRokh big enought*
08:15 GNADev|zRokh enough **
08:16 [0gb_us] I took a course on Java. I can't say I can stand the language, myself.
08:16 GNADev|zRokh ...
08:16 GNADev|zRokh another question: could somebody teach me C/C++?
08:16 [0gb_us] If overloading were removed, Java wouldn't be bad.
08:17 GNADev|zRokh overloading?
08:17 werwerwer overriding, right?
08:17 GNADev|zRokh what?
08:17 GNADev|zRokh O.o
08:18 [0gb_us] Method overloading. Multiple methods can share the same name bu take different arguments. This leads to the compiler throwing "method does not exist" errors when it SHOULD be throwing "invalid argument" errors.
08:18 deltib what's wrong with overloading?
08:18 * GNADev|zRokh is totally confused so he is going to change the subject ASAP...
08:18 GNADev|zRokh so, who likes Zelda?
08:18 [0gb_us] See my post above about what overloading is and what's wrong with it.
08:18 GNADev|zRokh i mean playing the game not doing the princess....
08:19 deltib that's your problem with overloading? error semantics?
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08:19 thexyz youlysses: I can believe there are people who use emacs a lot, it's a nice software after all; I cannot believe there are people who only use plan9 as their OS
08:20 [0gb_us] I used to love Zelda. Especially A Link to the Past.
08:20 [0gb_us] Yeah, the errors are very misleading. It's a huge pain.
08:21 [0gb_us] Plan9 has to be better than Windows. It doesn't take much to meet that goal.
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08:22 GNADev|zRokh ok, i did /quit "message here" but i didnt see the me quitting on the IRC logs
08:22 GNADev|zRokh why?
08:22 GNADev|zRokh sfan5?
08:23 sfan5[Mac] hm?
08:23 [0gb_us] THe IRC logs don't seem to show anyone leaving, only joining.
08:23 GNADev|zRokh oh
08:23 GNADev|zRokh crap :/
08:23 GNADev|zRokh well what was the message?
08:23 [0gb_us] I noticed that yesterday.
08:23 GNADev|zRokh when i quit before
08:23 [0gb_us] * GNADev|zRokh has quit (Quit: "http://www.meatspin.com")
08:23 GNADev|zRokh :D
08:24 GNADev|zRokh ok, who clicked that link/knows what is there?
08:24 sfan5[Mac] !title
08:24 deltib does that URL actually exsist, I don't want to click on it and find out it does and is exactly as advertised
08:24 MinetestBot sfan5[Mac]: Meatspin.com | The Site Your Mother Warned You About
08:24 GNADev|zRokh :D
08:24 GNADev|zRokh yes, the URL does excist
08:24 [0gb_us] I know what is there. Peopel have sent me there before. Unfortunately for them, I am immune to it.
08:25 [0gb_us] *people
08:25 GNADev|zRokh ok, let me tell you guys what there is... two men sitting on each others laps and
08:25 GNADev|zRokh naked
08:25 [0gb_us] It comes with being asexual, I think.
08:25 GNADev|zRokh and spinning their meat
08:25 GNADev|zRokh thus the name "Meat Spin"
08:25 [0gb_us] Yeah. So? I'm unphased.
08:26 deltib I've seen them all, tub girl, orange party, goatse, 2 girls 1 cup. By the time I got to the last one, it didn't even phase me. the internet has broken me
08:26 GNADev|zRokh what mapgen is better/faster: v6, v7, singlenode, math or indev?
08:27 [0gb_us] Singlenode.
08:27 * GNADev|zRokh loves 2 girls 1 cup
08:27 [0gb_us] Faster, anyway.
08:27 GNADev|zRokh cause that doesnt gen anything
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08:27 GNADev|zRokh >:O
08:27 sfan5 eh
08:28 [0gb_us] I like v6 and indev best, with the flat flag turned off and the caves, jungles, dungeons, and trees flags turned on.
08:28 GNADev|zRokh i tried to join #porn and i got redirected
08:28 GNADev|zRokh to ##you_have_got_to_be_kidding
08:28 [0gb_us] I forget what other flags are valid.
08:29 [0gb_us] Oh, speaking of which, I should set my minetest.conf on this system.
08:29 [0gb_us] I need to turn fog off and debug on.
08:29 [0gb_us] And maybe set the seed to zero.
08:31 Ritchie hello
08:31 [0gb_us] Hello!
08:31 GNADev|zRokh found it
08:31 Ritchie [0gb_us]: setting fog in minetest.conf is fixed, this didn't work when shaders were active
08:32 [0gb_us] Oh, nice!
08:32 Ritchie [0gb_us]: where do you setup the flags for indev?
08:32 * GNADev|zRokh often forgets that linux uses clear not cls, so he made a script called cls that does clear
08:33 Ritchie GNADev|zRokh: cls is in windows?
08:33 GNADev|zRokh yeah
08:33 [0gb_us] I don't much care for the fog, so it's nice to not have to hit F3 to turn it off every time I log in. THough I honestly think fog should be enabled for most people to make the game look more professional.
08:33 GNADev|zRokh and clear is in linux
08:33 [0gb_us] Flags for indev are the same as for v6, I think.
08:33 Ritchie i don't need to clear term
08:33 * VanessaE peeks in
08:33 [0gb_us] Hello, VanessaE.
08:33 GNADev|zRokh hi VanessaE
08:33 * GNADev|zRokh was the first!
08:34 Ritchie hi VanessaE :)
08:34 VanessaE hi
08:35 VanessaE just got finished organizing the computer room closet.  G*d what a MESS.
08:35 [0gb_us] Why the mess?
08:36 * VanessaE looks at an old 1MB 30-pin SIMM.  Anyone got any use for this?  I think I have about 500MB-worth of them stashed away somewhere :)
08:36 [0gb_us] Does anyone here have any thoughts on v6_biome_blend? On or off?
08:36 [0gb_us] Is a SIMM a hard drive?
08:37 VanessaE the mess was because I'm not normally that well-organized, and two years worth of "take something out, toss it on top of the pile when done" eventually turns the whole closet into a pile :)
08:37 VanessaE !g simm
08:37 MinetestBot VanessaE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIMM
08:37 [0gb_us] Ah, RAM then.
08:38 * GNADev|zRokh wonders if somebody plays Quake
08:38 GNADev|zRokh the first one
08:38 [0gb_us] Hmm. I'm not sure it'd fit in my frankenbuild and I don't have slots in my laptop.
08:38 VanessaE doubt it
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08:39 [0gb_us] I wonder how well a USB RAM adapter would work ... for adding more RAM to a system than it wants.
08:39 GNADev|zRokh thats possible?
08:39 GNADev|zRokh cause i would totally need that :D
08:39 [0gb_us] That's what I wonder. WOuld it work?
08:39 VanessaE it is, but it wouldn't be any faster than a USB thumbdrive, I think
08:39 * GNADev|zRokh hopes that works
08:40 sfan5[Mac] USB RAM is way too slow
08:40 [0gb_us] Ah, right. The USB bottle neck.
08:40 Ritchie VanessaE: i replied in thread mese in RL
08:41 VanessaE *looks&
08:41 VanessaE *looks*
08:41 VanessaE um, I already mentioned that in my post, go re-read it :)
08:41 VanessaE (I updated it earlier today)
08:41 GNADev|zRokh what does it support?
08:42 VanessaE what does what support?
08:42 GNADev|zRokh minetest.conf: video_driver = opengl
08:42 GNADev|zRokh what can i replace opengl with?
08:42 GNADev|zRokh with what*
08:42 VanessaE software, directx, burningsvideo, and I think null
08:43 VanessaE (or maybe it's directx8 or 9)
08:44 Ritchie VanessaE: ok, i didn't notice the change
08:44 GNADev|zRokh wow, less lag with software, but i dont see half the blocks :D
08:44 GNADev|zRokh directx is the best atm...
08:44 VanessaE low fps != lag
08:44 GNADev|zRokh i know
08:44 GNADev|zRokh lag == latency
08:44 VanessaE lag = *server* or *network* latency
08:45 Ritchie VanessaE: +1
08:45 GNADev|zRokh burningsvideo == 6-7FPS
08:45 GNADev|zRokh software == 15-20 FPS
08:46 GNADev|zRokh directx == 9-10 FPS
08:46 VanessaE pretty sad when the software renderer is faster than directx/opengl :)
08:47 GNADev|zRokh yeah...
08:47 GNADev|zRokh but i wont use software...
08:47 GNADev|zRokh imma make a snapshot
08:48 GNADev|zRokh http://imgur.com/fn9gc5s
08:48 GNADev|zRokh !title
08:49 MinetestBot GNADev|zRokh: imgur: the simple image sharer
08:49 GNADev|zRokh sfan5, thanks for unquieting me to MTBOT
08:49 GNADev|zRokh :)
08:50 VanessaE imma is not a word.  please don't use it.
08:50 GNADev|zRokh ok
08:50 GNADev|zRokh Im gonna*
08:50 VanessaE and that looks even worse than my attempt to run MT over a VNC feed :D
08:50 GNADev|zRokh :D
08:50 GNADev|zRokh i know :D
08:50 GNADev|zRokh hey...
08:50 * GNADev|zRokh is going to get disliked for this one
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08:51 GNADev|zRokh Let's Play : Minetest in Software mode
08:51 [0gb_us] But "I'm'a" is a word.
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08:51 VanessaE oops
08:51 VanessaE ctrl-w on the wrong window.
08:51 GNADev|zRokh vanessae, you didnt see what i said so im going to resay it
08:51 GNADev|zRokh Let's Play : Minetest in Software mode
08:51 GNADev|zRokh xD
08:51 VanessaE G*d no
08:51 GNADev|zRokh :D
08:51 [0gb_us] VanessaE, but "I'm'a" is a word.
08:51 VanessaE software badly needs fixed up
08:51 GNADev|zRokh yeah...
08:52 GNADev|zRokh hey, could that be a bug?
08:52 VanessaE [0gb_us]: no.  just, no.
08:52 [0gb_us] VanessaE, just like "y'all'll". You all will.
08:52 GNADev|zRokh VanessaE, can i get some of dat guuuuud sh*t?
08:52 GNADev|zRokh [0gb_us] try to pronounce it :D
08:53 VanessaE what guuuuud shit?
08:53 [0gb_us] I do pronounce it just fine.
08:53 VanessaE I don't have any shit, good or not :(
08:53 GNADev|zRokh well, VanessaE, "dat guuuud sh*i" is something that JeromeASF says when he gets loot from Mitch
08:53 GNADev|zRokh "oh, baby, you'r throwing all dat guuuud shit at me like its nothing"
08:54 [0gb_us] Thik "y'all", then take the end off of "that'll".
08:54 VanessaE [0gb_us]: technically, since "gonna" isn't really a word but a corruption of "going to", then "I'm'a" can't be either - it would have to be "I'm'o", maybe.
08:54 [0gb_us] *Think
08:54 GNADev|zRokh I'm'o is similar to IMO...
08:54 VanessaE GNADev|zRokh: "good shit" is also a phrase meaning "potent drug", usually weed.
08:54 GNADev|zRokh some could get confuzeused :D
08:54 GNADev|zRokh no!
08:54 [0gb_us] Gonna'. You need an apostrophe. So I guess it's I'm'a', not I'm'a.
08:54 GNADev|zRokh well, maybe, but i dunz meen it like dat :d
08:55 GNADev|zRokh well, Pidgin's Vocabulary doesn't put dat red squiggly line under gonna :D
08:55 * [0gb_us] cannot stop giggling right now
08:56 [0gb_us] It does put it under some real words though.
08:56 GNADev|zRokh [0gb_us], lets giggle together :D
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08:56 GNADev|zRokh yeah
08:56 GNADev|zRokh doesnt == red line, doesn
08:56 GNADev|zRokh doesn't , not that much
08:56 VanessaE hey bas080
08:56 [0gb_us] Like "nonfenestrated". (I think I spelled that right.) Spell check doesn't recognize it though.
08:57 GNADev|zRokh nonfenestrated, [RED_LINE]
08:57 [0gb_us] It also balks at contractions.
08:59 [0gb_us] Well, in any case, I won't push " I'm'a' ", but I swear "y'all'll" is a legitimate word. Even if it does make you sound like the most uneducated person ever when you use it.
09:00 GNADev|zRokh yo, check the MT Forums >> bugs and problems, VanessaE
09:00 GNADev|zRokh :D
09:01 VanessaE don't reference me.
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09:02 john_minetest Hello everypony
09:02 GNADev|zRokh :D
09:02 GNADev|zRokh pony :D
09:02 VanessaE hey john
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09:07 GNADev|zRokh Jordach!
09:07 GNADev|zRokh crap...
09:08 GNADev|zRokh :D
09:12 * GNADev|zRokh is installing the LUA plugin for Eclipse
09:15 * GNADev|zRokh is going to make a MTMod that will be like a teaser of the Wrath of Xeprione game...
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09:19 * GNADev|zRokh 's sister walks in and is listening to "I'm going down"
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09:36 * GNADev|zRokh will go away in a little bit...
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10:06 nore hi all
10:07 * VanessaE pokes nore just because ;)
10:07 jin_xi hi nore
10:08 nore what happened during last week? (and that will be my question when I will join on Saturdays for a while...)
10:10 \dev\zero hi VanessaE
10:11 \dev\zero your mods are outstanding
10:11 VanessaE thanks :)
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10:27 john_minetest \dev\zero: Lol, your slashes show in the wrong direction
10:27 VanessaE limitation of IRC>
10:30 john_minetest Ballmer discussed how Microsoft might generate money in consumer services. "Google does it," he noted. "They have this incredible, amazing, dare I say monopoly that we are the only person left on the planet trying to compete with." Asked by an analyst how Microsoft can attack Google's dominance in search and advertising, Ballmer explained "we're the only guys in the world trying," with the...
10:30 john_minetest ...Bing search engine.
10:31 john_minetest Well, microsoft doesn't has any monopoly.
10:31 john_minetest We should shut down all large companies producing hardware and proprietary operating systems ;)
10:32 nore https://github.com/Novatux/mapgen
10:32 nore anyone wants to test?
10:35 nore sfan5, are you there?
10:35 sfan5 yes
10:38 nore could you tell me what you think of the mapgen now?
10:38 sfan5 yes
10:39 sfan5 > villages
10:39 sfan5 oohh.. \o/
10:39 nore when I say villages, it is only places for them to spawn...
10:39 nore flat areas
10:39 nore I still need to spawn the village itself
10:39 sfan5 still nice
10:40 nore one big improvement: trees are spawned instead of saplings
10:40 sfan5 I think you didn't rebase it how it is supposed to be
10:40 sfan5 nice
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10:40 nore (I copied the code from treegen.cpp :p)
10:40 nore sfan5, yes, I rebased a against b instead of b against a
10:41 sfan5 I'll test now
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10:41 jin_xi how exactly can i try this, nore?
10:42 sfan5 put this in a folder called "mg" in the mods folder
10:42 sfan5 then create a world and enable the mod for that work
10:42 sfan5 *world
10:42 jin_xi thanks, gonna try
10:43 nore sfan5: I will add ore generation too (perhaps generate veins, or something like that)
10:44 nore brb
10:44 sfan5 a bit too many flat places for villages
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11:00 jin_xi nore: very nice
11:30 nore sfan5: too many villages?
11:39 sfan5 yes
11:39 sfan5 or well..
11:39 sfan5 to near to each other
11:39 nore there is only 1 village every 40 mapblocks
11:40 nore and 2 villages can't be closer than 2 mapblocks
11:40 nore but anyway, I reduced their number
11:41 nore I need a bit of help to spawn the villages, though
11:41 nore I don't know what to spawn, etc.
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11:47 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:47 nore hi
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12:36 xiong VanessaE, sorry if this is a silly question; I'm experimenting with pipeworks with the intention of making an automated factory.
12:36 VanessaE mmhmm?
12:37 xiong I can generate a clock signal with mesecons to repeatedly hit all the filters and move goods along the line. But there is no overflow protection. If the destination is full, items start piling up loose.
12:37 VanessaE I know, that's intentional
12:38 VanessaE put a sand tube at the point where they'
12:38 xiong Um, has anybody thought about this? Or has everyone been building semi-auto factories, jumping around whacking all the filters?
12:38 VanessaE they're piling up
12:38 VanessaE the sand tube will vacuum the items back up and put them back into the pipeline
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12:38 xiong Um, okay... but that won't stop the upstream device from overproducing.
12:39 VanessaE for *that*, you'll need to use detector tubes and some kind of control circuit
12:39 xiong I thought of another way; but it's exceptionally messy.
12:39 VanessaE maybe a vacuum tube connected cross-ways, with a detector next to it
12:39 xiong One might stick a detector tube at the end of the entire chain. Then take that signal and multiply it by however many input items are required.
12:40 VanessaE if the detector goes off, use the signal to stop your clock for a couple of cycles or so
12:40 xiong Yah. No simple solution, all kinds of complex solutions possible, especially if I work in a Lua controller. But.... let's go back to where you said "intentional". Why?
12:41 VanessaE ask nore ;)
12:41 VanessaE he wrote the code for the item transport
12:41 nore what?
12:42 VanessaE nore, why was it that items get ejected from a tube circuit when they hit an end they can't "reflect" from (e.g. a chest)
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12:42 nore I don't remember...
12:42 xiong I had thought, before I made the experiment, nore, that the filter would just refuse to work if there was no "safe" place for the item to go.
12:42 VanessaE xiong: another way to do it is a simple loop at the chest. into the chest AND Up, backwards one, back down again.  Items will cycle back into the circuit.
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12:43 nore I reckon it was to make it possible to eject items, and that came with it
12:43 VanessaE xiong: if you put a detector tube into that loop, there's your "the circuit is full" signal.
12:43 xiong Hm. Well, now that I think about it, perhaps the nature of tubes makes my first concept silly. How should the filter know about the destination? It's just a conduit.
12:44 xiong I mean, the tube is just a conduit. The filter's job is done once the item is whooshing down the tube. Where it goes, who knows. Yes?
12:45 VanessaE .--detect--.
12:45 VanessaE upstream -----*----------*-chest
12:45 VanessaE like that.
12:45 VanessaE yes, that's how filters are
12:45 xiong The detector would have to go through some fairly complex logic to latch the "full" state until cleared. Unless the detector stays on for a good long while, inhibiting the feed.
12:46 VanessaE the tubes don't communicate (unless you use a mesecons conductor tube maybe) so there's no way for the filter to know what's going on elsewhere.
12:46 VanessaE I'd say just make the clock stop for 2 or 3 cycles, and if it gets signaled to stop again after that, it should shut down until it's manually restarted.
12:47 xiong Being an old hardware dog, I naturally think first about small, local, gated feedback loops; but if this is any kind of more complex, as it seems... then I may have to bite the bullet and drive everything with a Lua controller.
12:47 VanessaE that way you only have a few loose items floating around in the circuit.
12:48 xiong I can't even get a clock I like yet. I'm sure I can do it but it's messy. "Lag" blows everything. The blinky plant says it cycles every three seconds; currently it's cycling every 30-40.
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12:49 xiong I've built two frequency doublers and now I get two items rolling out of the filter per blinky transition. Great.
12:50 xiong Okay so... on the good side, pipeworks is stable, right? So I can go ahead and install the thing locally, go into creative mode, and putz around until I decide what I like, without worrying that BrandonReese is running yesterday's mod.
12:51 VanessaE yup
12:51 xiong Wish I could say that about 'technic'.
12:52 VanessaE heh
12:52 xiong While I'm at it -- and thanks, VanessaE; you've really answered my questions, I can move on -- I'm bursting to complain about the weird notions of electricity propagated by both mesecons and technic.
12:53 xiong What's an 'EU'? Is it an amp, a watt, a watt-hour?
12:53 VanessaE it's similar to a watt-hour
12:53 xiong Why 'EU' at all? I mean, we've been using certain terms for juice for... about a century. Real standard, everyone knows.
12:53 VanessaE or probably closer to a joule
12:53 xiong Well, sometimes it's a watt.
12:54 xiong I got a HV to MV converter saying it's converting 2000 EU into 8000 EU. That's amps, or maybe watts; but it's not watt-hours.
12:54 xiong I got a battery box saying it's holding so many EUs. That's watt-hours.
12:55 nore xiong: I reckon it is 2000EU/s (for conversion)
12:55 VanessaE weird, I never even thought of it like that
12:55 VanessaE so an EU is closest to a watt
12:55 xiong I guess I'm just crabby -- being an old hardware dog and a real EE -- thinking, Did an EE weigh in on this anywhere?
12:55 nore no, to a joule
12:56 xiong I mean, I'm totally okay with a simplified model. If cables waste no power, hey, fine. If machines consume a little standby power, even better. But I'd like a better understanding of what I'm seeing.
12:57 VanessaE ok so I was right the first time, a joule :)
12:57 xiong A joule is so many watt-hours.
12:58 xiong Actually, a joule is a watt-second.
12:59 xiong I'm totally okay with HV, MV, LV... no need to spray more numbers around. But I'd like to know exactly what voltages these are; and see what kind of conversions I can expect. There is something spooky and weird about charging a battery in an LV box and discharging it in an HV.
13:00 VanessaE they aren't anything really
13:01 VanessaE but if I had to guess, LV would be something like 240 VAC, MV might be 480 or perhaps 960, HV in the 30kV range
13:01 xiong Well, I'm dealing with it. Before, I threw out everything I knew about structural engineering and learned to deal with materials that didn't obey gravity.
13:01 xiong Then I threw out everything I knew about hydrodynamics and learned to deal with... a very odd "water".
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13:02 xiong Finally I threw out everything I thought I knew about lava and learned to build tunnels through the bottom of lava lakes. I'll figure out technic and mesecons electricity, too.
13:03 VanessaE about the water, you mean how pipeworks deals with it?
13:03 VanessaE or the game's infinite water?
13:03 xiong No, just the base water.
13:03 VanessaE oh ok
13:03 VanessaE because the way pipeworks deals with liquid water is....kludgy.
13:03 xiong I'm a real study-up guy; and when there's nothing to study, I experiment.
13:05 xiong I created an ugly mess on BR's server, building a water elevator up to 200 m. Spilled onto another guy's claim and the top of the chunk acted like a flat surface -- dunno why -- and after I controlled the source, five pseudo-sources were left... inside his chunk. Couldn't flick them away.
13:05 xiong So I shot them with a mining laser.
13:05 xiong Give an engineer tools and he will solve the problem.
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13:07 xiong Well, thanks for hearing me out. I'll try not to grumble too much about it. Sleep now, lab tomorrow.
13:07 xiong Night all.
13:07 VanessaE night
13:07 VanessaE no worries
13:07 VanessaE grumble all you like
13:07 VanessaE if I fucked something up, I guess I should fix it :)
13:07 xiong Ah, that gets old fast.
13:08 xiong I grumbled about 'money', now I'm maintaining it.
13:08 VanessaE heh
13:08 VanessaE also...  "top of the chunk acted like a flat surface -- dunno why"  <--- known bug, don't recall if it's been fixed yet.
13:09 xiong I may as well put in the word about that here. If you update 'money', you will surface a grisly bug: If your shop buys and sells, the prices may be exchanged.
13:09 VanessaE I just have Dan Duncombe's currency mod on my server
13:09 xiong That leads to instant financial ruin. So urge players to punch, right-click, and retune any shop that both buys and sells.
13:09 Jordach finite_liquids dont have that bug afaik
13:10 xiong This is a one-time ugliness; shops placed after you update from 'master' will be fine; the bug is fixed.
13:12 xiong Planned feature to check buy and sell prices so shopowners cannot torpedo themselves.
13:13 xiong Now it's really 'Good Night All'.
13:14 VanessaE good night
13:19 Jordach tea anyone? http://i.imgur.com/TNEmJbO.png
13:19 VanessaE nice
13:19 Jordach (bottom is solid)
13:19 VanessaE <PilzAdam> Not voxely enough </PilzAdam>
13:19 Jordach hahaha
13:20 Jordach that's actually build from cubes
13:20 Jordach built*
13:21 VanessaE ok, time to crash
13:21 VanessaE bbl
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13:30 Evergreen Oh hey Jordach
13:32 Jordach hey Evergreen
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13:42 PilzAdam Jordach, it is voxely, but the voxels are in a differen resolution than in Minetest
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13:49 sfan5 >just
13:49 sfan5 > js,html,php,mqsql
13:50 sfan5 *mysql
13:50 sfan5 "just"
13:50 sfan5 4 programming languages... not much
13:50 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:50 PilzAdam lol
13:50 PilzAdam since when is HTML a "programming language"
13:50 FreeFull You could reduce that to three by getting rid of php and using node.js
13:50 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:51 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:51 PilzAdam wtf is a "web design language"?
13:51 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:51 PilzAdam HTML is a markup language, that happens to be used in the web
13:51 Jordach you've been sucking on non-comp sci teachers again
13:52 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:52 Jordach > Dreamweaver
13:52 Jordach LOL
13:52 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:52 PilzAdam which brings me to the point... who cares?
13:53 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:54 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:54 Jordach > possibility
13:54 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:58 Jordach !title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8huXkSaL7o
13:58 MinetestBot Jordach: Spam song Monty Python - YouTube
13:59 Jordach PilzAdam, ^
14:00 PilzAdam Id like to order spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam and spam
14:00 sfan5 and bacon
14:00 Prestotron562 [deleted]
14:00 * Jordach high fives sfan5 and PilzAdam
14:00 * sfan5 buys cookies and throws then at Jordach
14:00 * sfan5 puts a kitten on PilzAdam's head
14:00 sfan5 them*
14:01 Jordach fuck that, i've got enough cookie clickers active
14:01 sfan5 heh
14:01 PilzAdam Jordach, I wonder, why did you link a video with chinese (or japanese, or whatever) subtitles?
14:02 Jordach first link in search
14:02 PilzAdam lol, dat outro song
14:02 PilzAdam its also in a PS1 game I have
14:02 PilzAdam "Frontschweine"
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14:05 PilzAdam http://youtu.be/3aCpco3W2Sc?t=1m17s
14:05 sfan5 !title
14:05 MinetestBot sfan5: Frontschweine Intro &amp; Ausbildungsfilme (HQ) - YouTube
14:05 ShadowBot sfan5: title [--no-filter] <url>
14:05 sfan5 ShadowBot: stfu
14:05 ShadowBot sfan5: The operation succeeded.
14:05 PilzAdam !op ShadowBot
14:07 * sfan5 now has a arm-buildroot-linux-uclibcgnueabihf toolchain
14:07 Jordach PilzAdam, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr_91leJpXo
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14:14 PilzAdam Jordach, the german subtitles are just distracting
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14:15 Evergreen For some reason when I place a stalactite (two nodes tall, and checks for two air blocks beneath a stone block) started giving me this error.
14:15 Evergreen 10:12:33: ERROR[main]: Map::setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "air" at (-34,7,-43) (block (-3,0,-3))
14:16 Evergreen It worked before, but it seems to do this right now
14:16 PilzAdam check for typos in the nodename
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14:40 Jordach cmon you slow ol' bastard
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14:46 Jordach Phase 1a: Complete - Next Phase 1b: Beta Terrain
14:46 Evergreen I'm using xfce now, it is really nice
14:46 Jordach woo
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14:53 artur99 a monster is he/she or it ?
14:54 artur99 :D
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15:02 Pelayo phase 2: ???
15:02 Pelayo phase 3: proft
15:02 Pelayo profit*
15:03 Sokomine depends on the monster i guess
15:03 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan what about a Miley Cyrus mob?
15:03 Sokomine it's an it as long as gender is unknown
15:04 artur99 for example: "a monster appears in my face, i kill him/it"?
15:07 Pilcrow there are people trying to implement a gender-neutral term 'zhe'...
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15:08 Pilcrow it sounds unbelievably stupid to me
15:08 artur99 so, it's it or him?
15:08 artur99 :)
15:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan gender-neutral bathrooms are scarier - imagine the lineups lol
15:09 artur99 how to check if a server is on?
15:09 artur99 or, is 30004 on?
15:10 artur99 minetest.org on 30004
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15:10 Pelayo Pilcrow, in spanish I'm seeing similar things too, we have gender specified in every word, so "they" would be "ellos" or "ellas" depending if the group is only of males or females, and "ellos" as a generic if they are mixed... but there is people changing that for "ellxs" or "ell@s"
15:10 Pelayo I want to see them trying to spell that :P
15:11 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan its a well known fact women can't use a public bathroom without laying 200 squares of TP on the seat :P
15:11 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan with OCD- precision alignment :P
15:12 artur99 !up europe.minetest.org
15:12 MinetestBot europe.minetest.org:30000 seems to be down
15:12 ShadowBot artur99: europe.minetest.org:30000 seems to be down
15:12 artur99 !up minetest.org:30004
15:12 MinetestBot artur99: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
15:12 ShadowBot artur99: minetest.org:30004 is up (671ms)
15:12 Pilcrow Khaaaaaaaaaaaan: actually, that's me, too. when I've got to do more than stand, that is. those seats are never cleaned well...
15:13 artur99 there are too many bots here
15:13 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i never use public bathrooms lol there's something to be said for coffee and cigarettes :P
15:15 artur99 people talking about public bathroom on a game chat lol
15:15 Pilcrow what do coffee and cigarettes have to do with bathrooms, anyway?
15:15 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan anyone who's had coffee and cigarettes in the morning will know :P but i wont describe it here
15:15 Pilcrow lol
15:15 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan artur well even MT has a toilets XD
15:16 Pilcrow and they FLUSH too!  :P
15:16 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan they flush now? damn i need to update lol
15:16 artur99 yes, but nobody talks about it :P
15:16 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan will be nice for my Flushing Meadows area
15:17 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan http://youtu.be/Z1OqOIsjlr4
15:17 Pilcrow I'm not sure if any mods besides homedecor offer toilets, but I know you can left-click those to open/close them, and on close they flush.
15:19 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well toilets aren't really a decorative item though lol
15:20 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan except maybe this: http://www.firehorseglass.co.nz/wp-content/ga​llery/glass-mosaics/decorative-toilet-art.jpg
15:20 Pilcrow they are in minetest. I'm sure someone could make a mod that changes that, though.  :P
15:20 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan yeah with the *ahem* appropriate icon in the hud
15:21 Pilcrow or better yet, a meter.  xD
15:21 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lol
15:22 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well speaking of which, gotta go clean the bathroom, got the Queen Mum coming today
15:22 Pilcrow hah, have fun~
15:24 artur99 who need some mod ideas?
15:24 artur99 https://play.google.com/store/apps/detai​ls?id=com.luk4sproductions.craftingideas :D
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15:25 john_minetest :b google. ugly.
15:25 john_minetest ;D
15:25 artur99 :)
15:25 artur99 it's not google, its Play :P
15:25 john_minetest it is GOOGLE play.
15:26 artur99 yes, but google play-google=play
15:26 Pilcrow google sees my house. it's scary.  :P
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15:26 artur99 why he does?
15:26 artur99 *it
15:27 artur99 oh, from the sattlite
15:27 artur99 or how?
15:27 Pilcrow lol, look on google maps, in satellite view. you can even see the view from the road, in most places.  :P
15:28 artur99 i used that little yellow boy to see 3d
15:29 artur99 i can see my house in 3d
15:29 artur99 :D
15:29 Pilcrow yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
15:29 Pilcrow it's a little creepy
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15:29 artur99 and he can see what we are talking here too
15:30 Pilcrow hello calinou
15:31 Calinou hi
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15:32 artur99 it's a little big creepy :)
15:32 Sokomine homedecor took toilets and other bathroom equipment (shower, taps, sink) from 3dforniture (along with tables and chairs)
15:33 Pilcrow I knew some of the nodes were taken from 3dforniture, but I didn't know toilets were part of it.
15:34 Pilcrow is 3dforniture still being updated?
15:35 Calinou I don't think so
15:37 john_minetest :( My laptop is so dead...
15:37 * Jordach hands john_minetest cookies
15:37 Pilcrow yeah, looks like you're right, calinou. last update was Nov. 2012
15:38 Pilcrow what's wrong with it, john_minetest?
15:38 artur99 prepare a grave for it
15:38 john_minetest It is not fully dead.
15:38 Pilcrow mine has heat issues
15:39 Pilcrow that's what I get for using an hp laptop
15:39 john_minetest But when I turn it on it shows wonderful patterns most of the time. When it actually runs, then only for 5 minutes.
15:39 artur99 than take it to hospital
15:39 Calinou clean the dust, Pilcrow
15:39 Calinou not all HP laptops have heat issues, but they all have screen issues :D
15:39 john_minetest and I heard HP laptops are not good.
15:39 Calinou terrible screens, yeah
15:40 john_minetest wow, now my pc runs for some time and didn't crash yet. there is hope.
15:40 Pilcrow screen seems fine with this. it does need a cleaning though. and probably new thermal paste.
15:41 artur99 it gets better :)
15:42 john_minetest Let's see how long it runs with screenblank disabled
15:43 Jordach btw, just stay away from laptops in general
15:43 Jordach hard as nails to fix
15:43 Pilcrow I know, I repair computers.
15:43 Jordach that's why i will continue to buy desktops, easy to install hardware, no bullshit attached
15:44 Jordach "oh, so you're going to clean my laptop fan human? guess again, you're going to take every damn part of me out just to do it
15:44 Jordach "*
15:44 Pilcrow but I'll never buy a desktop. I'll buy desktop PARTS and put one together.  ;)
15:44 Jordach that too
15:45 Pilcrow not to mention the lack of part standardization in laptops means much more research is required if a part needs replacing...
15:47 Calinou some people can't use anything else than laptops, Jordach :P
15:48 artur99 like me :D
15:49 Pilcrow they're harder to repair, but I use them anyway while my desktop sits unused and horribly outdated because I work 15 hours a week and can't afford to upgrade it.
15:49 artur99 actually i prefer a notebook
15:52 Pilcrow my best desktop that still works has a 2.0Ghz pentium 3, 1.5Gb DDR RAM, and an nvidia geforce 7300 GT
15:54 Pilcrow versus my best laptop, an hp with a 2.3 Ghz dual core athalon II, 4 Ghz RAM, and an AMD Radeon 4300 HD...
15:55 Pilcrow *4 Gb RAM, I mean
15:56 Pilcrow also, I've never spent more than $200 on a computer before.
15:56 Jordach 2.0 ghz Pentium 3
15:56 Jordach BULLSHIT.
15:56 Jordach you probably meant Pentium 4
15:58 john_minetest I wonder why people program demos when they can get nice effects with nothing more than a broken graphics.
15:58 Pilcrow nope. that computer is not p4-compatable. P3 went up to like 2.1, as I recall.
16:01 Calinou compatible*
16:01 Calinou compatable is not a word :
16:01 Calinou :)*
16:01 PilzAdam ":)" isnt a word either
16:01 Pilcrow hah, and usually *I'm* the gammar nazi in my conversations!
16:02 Pilcrow I'd have to look up the cpu thing more though. highest I'm seeing on wikipeia for a p3 is 1.4, but I was sure this was a p3...
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16:07 harrison gammar nazi lol
16:10 Pilcrow *grammar
16:11 Pilcrow well, the highest-clocked p3 on intel's site is also 1.4. I could've sworn it wasn't a p4 though. I know it had a 733 Mhz cpu when I got it...
16:12 Jordach Pilcrow, mis-interpurted CPUINFO
16:13 Pilcrow maybe I just have too many computers and I'm getting a few confused. I do have about 20...
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16:14 Pilcrow (none of which are very powerful)
16:15 Pilcrow I've got a 75Mhz P1 that still works~  :P
16:15 PilzAWTom I found an i75 in my storage room
16:15 harrison do you ever long for a realtime renderer that would require much, much more processing power than that?
16:16 PilzAWTom A sticker on the side of the heat sink/spreader says SX969-75MHZ
16:18 Pilcrow the things we find, eh?
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16:19 Pilcrow I still want to eventually repair this old Commodore VIC-20 I got at a garage sale...  :)
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16:20 rubenwardy why is there a TM after "Minetest 0.4.7 released; 0.4.8 will be released soon™"
16:20 rubenwardy in channel description
16:20 rubenwardy and
16:21 rubenwardy Hi all!
16:21 GingerJesus because "soon" is relative and has no real answer?
16:21 rubenwardy but why a trade mark?
16:22 Calinou soon™ is a joke
16:22 rubenwardy ok
16:22 GingerJesus I dunno. it's not the first place I've seen it written like that. pretty sure it's just for the lulz
16:24 AWTom I can't use the ™ symbol in my nick
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16:25 Jordach AWTom, it's not allowed in the IRC specification
16:25 Evergreen I'm locing xfce so far, thanks for pointing it out to me.
16:25 Jordach as hostmasks would fail
16:26 Evergreen *loving
16:26 Calinou xfce :D
16:26 AWTom How does lxde differ from xfce?
16:26 Pilcrow so, everybody, what's the *worst* computer you've tried running minetest on? mine's an old sony vaio laptop. 1.2Ghz cpu, 384 Mb RAM, and intel 915 graphics. let's just say it didn't go very well...
16:26 Calinou totally different code bases, AWTom
16:26 Calinou Xfce tries to be fairly lightweight, while LXDE tries to be the most lightweight possible
16:26 AWTom for the user, what's the difference?
16:27 AWTom I'm currently using LXDE. Enjoying it.
16:27 Calinou xfce has more features and a bigger user base
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16:27 Calinou and more distros propose it
16:28 Pilcrow in my experience, LXDE is more customizable while XFCE is more feature-rich.
16:30 Pilcrow they're about the same in system resource use, with lxde using only slightly less, overall. this was a few months ago. you know how fast things can change.
16:31 AWTom I remember Phoronix saying that KDE was the best for fullscreen games, because it would turn off compositing, or something like that
16:32 Calinou xfce is still pretty customizable, and easily
16:32 Calinou AWTom: KDE without compositing, same for _any DE_
16:32 Calinou with compositing, no DE is good because of tearing and performance issues
16:32 AWTom it would only turn off compositing when a fullscreen game is open. Do other DEs do that?
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16:35 Pilcrow eh, I suppose kde's the best of the heavy-weights for fullscreen gaming, but the lighter stuff like xfce and lxde don't have compositing at all, that I know of. And since they take less resources for their own stuff, there's more free to the games.
16:37 AWTom http://wiki.minetest.net/Copper_ingot Why is that not capitalized, when similar pages are?
16:37 Pilcrow and yes, xfce is pretty customizable, but there are certain things -- like creating launchers in the panel -- that are way too complicated for their own good. I fight with xfce. lxde stays out of the way.
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16:38 [0gb_us] Last time I used LXDE, it seemed ... incomplete. I like that so many options are out there for us, but LXDE is not the option for me for the time being.
16:39 [0gb_us] Xfce is similarity missing stuff, but a lot less. Of the more modern desktops, Xfce is high on my list of ones I like.
16:40 Pilcrow well, lxde is my favorite lightweight desktop, but I'm still addicted to my kde4.
16:40 [0gb_us] Less modern, but I also like GNOME2.
16:41 [0gb_us] I still need to sit down and give KDE a chance. Last time I tried it, it was a little much for me at the time, and I decided to come back and try it when I had more time.
16:41 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i wouldn't mind kde so much if 2/3's of the apps didn't start with K in their name :P
16:42 [0gb_us] KDE seems a bit Komplex.
16:42 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and abit klunky (Klunky Desktop Environment) :P
16:42 Pilcrow heh, you get used to it. I'm using Konversation to talk to you guys right now~  :P
16:42 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan "KDE, the white supremacists' desktop" :P
16:42 [0gb_us] But as an interface, as you said, it's a heavyweight, so I am going to lean more toward other things even once I get used to KDE.
16:43 [0gb_us] I like how Konversation says "Konversation terminated" when you quit, but it would be cooler if it were spelled correctly (with a "C").
16:44 Pilcrow yes, kde has Mortal Kombat Syndrome.
16:45 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i like xfce though, not too much bling, i kinda dislike how some DE's try to be the main attraction
16:45 [0gb_us] I lean toward GNOME2 because it is fleshed out a lot more because of its advanced years, but if Xfce were as complete, I'd prefer Xfce.
16:46 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan theyre great if youre sitting a cafe looking to showoff like appletards, but i like resources to be free to get actual work done lol
16:46 Pilcrow personally what takes the cake fore me is the dolphin file manager and search-and-launch desktop.
16:46 Evergreen I love how customizable xfce is
16:47 [0gb_us] OH! By the way, today is Software Freedom Day. So happy Software Freedom Day, everyone!
16:47 Pelayo software freedom day...
16:47 Pelayo nice... :(
16:47 john_minetest Yay!
16:47 Pelayo just today our government showed an advance of our future penal code
16:47 Pelayo where things like VLC will be illegal
16:47 john_minetest Let's write letters to Bill Gates and ask if he can send us the windows source so we can laugh about it.
16:48 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan theyre probably laughing at the FSF crowd :P
16:48 [0gb_us] john_minetest, or send it to the ReactOS people. After laughing at it.
16:48 john_minetest Yeah, they can use it.
16:49 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan MS screwed up windows ME, vista and 8, and linux still hasn't come out on top, so who's laughing? lol
16:49 [0gb_us] Why will VLC be illegal?
16:49 Pelayo I think implementing it from scratch will be a lot better than recycling that crap
16:49 Pelayo [0gb_us], libdvdcss
16:49 Pilcrow I've never gotten ReactOS to boot, on anything I've tried...
16:49 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan seems like the dvd decryption is illegal, not vlc itself
16:49 john_minetest [0gb_us]: Are you working for the fsf?
16:50 Calinou VLC is illegal in the USA theorically
16:50 Calinou <[0gb_us]> OH! By the way, today is Software Freedom Day. So happy Software Freedom Day, everyone!
16:50 Pelayo it was illegal only in idiotic countries (like US)
16:50 Calinou wikipedia says it hasn't been celebrated last year, btw
16:50 Pelayo now it's illegal here too.. or will be soon
16:50 Calinou >implying people won't use it
16:50 [0gb_us] I've never tried, I prefer UNIX-like systems. But the existence of ReactOS still excites me.
16:50 Pelayo we are now one of those idiotic countries -_-
16:50 Calinou john_minetest: the Hyper-V linux drivers were written with windows coding style initially
16:50 Calinou they were eventually patched (600 patches)
16:51 john_minetest Khaaaaaaaaaaaan: Lol, that stupid encryption that can be cracked in seconds which is called "DVD encryption"... Writing backwards would be a better encryption.
16:51 Pelayo yep, all encryption depending on only one code
16:51 [0gb_us] john_minetest, no, unfortunately, I don't have time for volunteer work right now. But I want to after I get out of school.
16:51 Pelayo that's like using "password" as a password
16:52 Calinou Khaaaaaaaaaaaan: 8 is better than 7 after you install Classic Shell :P
16:52 [0gb_us] Calinou, I'm told events are going down this year.
16:52 john_minetest [0gb_us]: How did you get the "fsf/member/us-0gb" in your nick ?
16:52 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan "idiotic countries" is a relative term, it's not a coincidence countries with worse off economies are going to be more pro free software, whereas those with strong software industries won't be
16:52 Calinou eg. better task manager
16:52 john_minetest Calinou: Linux is still better and free :b
16:52 [0gb_us] john_minetest, https://my.fsf.org/associate/suppo​rt_freedom/join_fsf?referrer=2442
16:52 Pelayo Khaaaaaaaaaaaan, I say idiotic regarding to laws
16:53 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well yeah countries write laws to protect their economies, that hasn't change in milleniums :P
16:53 Pelayo here software still can't be copyrighted.. but DRM software has a special status so breaking it is a crime now
16:53 [0gb_us] GAH! Wrong address. This one: https://my.fsf.org/associate/suppo​rt_freedom/join_fsf?referrer=12141
16:54 Pelayo but our law also specifies making a backup is a consumer right...
16:54 Pelayo so the ones who are violating the laws are the ones who put DRM on software
16:54 [0gb_us] NICE!
16:54 Pilcrow what contry are you in, pelayo?
16:55 Pelayo Spain
16:55 Pilcrow ah
16:55 john_minetest In germany everybody can do a "private copy" of a programs, music and so on.
16:56 Pelayo here too... at least, until now
16:56 john_minetest And tomorrow there are elections.
16:56 Pelayo and in our law you aren't required to access the legit product to use a private copy
16:56 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan give it a decade or two, the whole EU will have the same laws
16:57 Pelayo the only requirement is not having any monetary gain
16:57 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan (ie, selling bootlegs)
16:57 Pelayo websites with links to coyprighted material are now illegal too, even if they don't host anything
16:58 Pelayo but they will say they will only go against the ones who make profit
16:58 Pelayo .. yeah, but that's not specefied in the law..
16:58 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan obviously, people who don't profit off it have nothing to seize :P
16:59 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan if it costs more to prosecute than you can hope to gain through civil forfeiture...
16:59 Pelayo two years ago nintendo sued a shop owner because he sold modchips
16:59 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan in any case it's not terribly different from the VCR battles of the 80's
17:00 Pelayo I bought a ps2 and a gamecube modchip in his shop and he did never include any software, only a leaflet specifying how could you look for the boot codes in internet for the ones that require it
17:00 Pelayo .. nintendo asked 21 years for him
17:00 Pelayo the judge said installing a modchip is completely legal, since he did never include any software, that's up to the user, and nintendo should sue every user individually
17:01 Pelayo now they are changing the law so installing a modchip is illegal -_-
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17:01 Calinou well, that's consoles
17:02 Pilcrow sony psp requires no mod chips to hack. I've got over 300 games from 15 different systems on that thing. people look at me funny when I'm playing pokemon on a sony product.  :P
17:02 thexyz because it's possible to sign your code for psp
17:03 Pelayo softmodding might be illegal too here now
17:03 Pelayo the law says any piece of software that allows breaking a drm
17:03 john_minetest Awesome video: http://www.youtube.com/embed/5RAaW_1FzYg?​autoplay=1&amp;modestbranding=1&amp;rel=0
17:03 Pelayo or any kind of protection
17:03 thexyz I don't remember how exactly this works though
17:03 Pelayo I softmodded my wii and my xbox
17:03 thexyz the law
17:03 thexyz we have something like this in Russia
17:04 thexyz I think
17:04 * [0gb_us] finds it interesting hearing where in the world everyone is
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17:05 * Calinou is in France.
17:05 Calinou now you no longer find it interesting
17:06 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lol
17:06 * Khaaaaaaaaaaaan is on Qo'noS
17:06 Pelayo shit...
17:06 Pelayo I broke my gp2x's glass
17:06 [0gb_us] What do you mean? THat still interests me. Why would I not be interested in you being in France?
17:07 Pilcrow no one is interested in france. not even the french.
17:07 Calinou was a joke
17:07 Pilcrow lol I'm kidding~  :P
17:07 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan oh i dunno, cheap wine
17:07 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan (cheap as in price)
17:07 john_minetest Well someone must be interested in france.
17:07 [0gb_us] We are on opposite ends of the planet, engaging in near instantaneous communication. Is that not interesting?
17:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan here you dont get away without paying at least 15$ for a bottle of only half-decent wine
17:08 Calinou not instantaneous enough :(
17:08 * Calinou wants optic fiber so bad
17:08 Calinou Khaaaaaaaaaaaan: alcohol is bad anyway
17:08 * john_minetest wants a free highspeed sattelite internet connection so bad
17:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan life can be bad for ya, whats your point? lol
17:08 Calinou satellite has tons of latency
17:08 [0gb_us] Khaaaaaaaaaaaan, good point.
17:09 john_minetest Khaaaaaaaaaaaan: You only need alcohol in russia and those other cold countries.
17:09 [0gb_us] THough I've never had a drink myself, and don't plan to.
17:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan whats the point in working, paying rent and bills on time if you can't enjoy yourself once in a while :P
17:09 Calinou it's not even fun to drink
17:09 Calinou damages your health, is expensive
17:09 Pilcrow actually, I think I've read that alcohol in low quantities can *improve* health.
17:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well i'm Canada, so we freeze our asses off just as much :P
17:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan *im in
17:10 john_minetest Canada...
17:10 Calinou no alcohol is good too
17:10 * john_minetest thinks of South park and "how I met your mother"
17:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan red wine is good for the heart in moderation, pot is apparently an anti-carcinogen (sp?)
17:10 Calinou carcinogen is correct (silly english)
17:10 john_minetest And carrots are containing vitamin A.
17:11 Pilcrow I've never understood those who drink to be drunk though. a glass or 2 of wine is all for me, thanks~
17:11 [0gb_us] South Park gives me a headache. I'm probably better off with the wine.
17:11 Calinou Khaaaaaaaaaaaan: "N is good" is usually wrong for anything food-related
17:11 Calinou eg. "milk is good"
17:11 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan seems most of the world thinks of Canada as the US's 51st state, even though the americans themselves call us their socialist neighbours to the north lol
17:11 john_minetest Everything is a poison, it is about the quantities.
17:11 Calinou yeah
17:11 [0gb_us] I didn't realize Canada was socialist.
17:11 john_minetest "All' Ding ist Gift, die Menge macht's."
17:12 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well during that obamacare debate, thats how they kept referring to us/our system :P
17:12 [0gb_us] I hear you can even be poisoned by drinking too much water, though it does take a lot. And no, I don't mean from the stuff IN the water.
17:12 Pelayo oh nice
17:12 john_minetest Btw, greece is bankrupt. So stupid, they should license democracy since they invented it.
17:12 Calinou over > 5L a day is bad, yes
17:12 Pelayo tft + glass cover for a gp2x, 19,99€
17:12 Calinou gp2x?
17:13 Pelayo a free software portable console from some years ago
17:13 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well, who lent so much money to Greece?
17:13 john_minetest Lol, I pay 50 for a screen alone.
17:13 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the stupidity of it is evenly spread :P
17:13 Jordach fuck this; lemme celebrate september with jack daniels
17:13 john_minetest Khaaaaaaaaaaaan: Germany.
17:13 Calinou lol
17:13 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan so German taxpayers bailed out Greece, so Greece could bail out German banks :P
17:13 Pilcrow I looked into a gp2x. got a psp and hacked it instead.
17:13 john_minetest Khaaaaaaaaaaaan: Germany had to pay most of the money since germany is one of the richest EU countries :b
17:13 Pelayo but germany is in the position it is now because most of the world cleared them from their debt..
17:14 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well if you hadn't, Greece along with your own banks, would have sunk :P
17:14 Pelayo if that didn't happen the german economy would be still suffering from the reunification
17:14 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Iceland's bust was nothing to compared to that
17:14 john_minetest Khaaaaaaaaaaaan: The central bank is in germany. and there is still the old currency, the good old "Deutsche Mark".
17:14 [0gb_us] Speaking of banks, I need to go to mine. Or my credit union, rather.
17:14 [0gb_us] See you all later!
17:14 john_minetest cya
17:15 Pilcrow bye
17:15 Pelayo Pilcrow, both have roughly the same specs, except for the gp2x not having a 3d accelerator
17:15 Pelayo the psp one isn't great but at least there is one
17:15 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan thats the thing about the EU, when times are good, there's more integration, when times are not as good, people start talking about sovereignty :P
17:15 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i don't know why they didn't just stick with the EEC model
17:19 Pilcrow pelayo, that's the reason, really. I looked at the emulators. psp could do playstation games since it has 3d acceleration. gp2x couldn't. I just couldn't pass up portable FF9, Chrono Cross, Grandia, and Tales of Eternia (aka Tales of Destiny II in the US since the He-man franchise held the rights to the name eternia).
17:20 Pilcrow aww, I killed IRC.
17:21 Pelayo yep
17:22 Pelayo there is a psx emulator for gp2x, but you can't run 3d games
17:22 Pelayo ff7.. more or less
17:22 Pelayo but slow
17:22 john_minetest Hey, is there a GTA clone?
17:23 Pelayo well, retro city rampage is a good one, but not free :P
17:23 Jordach john_minetest, Saints Row 4
17:23 john_minetest It would be EPIC to have an open source simulator with driving around and shooting and stuff.
17:23 john_minetest I meant open-source.
17:23 Pilcrow I never liked GTA
17:24 Pelayo mmm making mods to make it look like carmageddon, or mafia, or.. etc, would be great
17:24 Pelayo I like the gameplay in gta, but not specially the saga
17:24 thexyz PSP was great
17:25 Pilcrow looks like there is a project called OpenGTA, but I'm not sure how far along it is...
17:25 Pelayo thexyz, specially in battery usage
17:25 thexyz in everything
17:25 thexyz it was very popular and had a lot of stuff
17:25 Pelayo gp2x had more homebrew software.. but no commercial games, of course
17:26 Pilcrow and nintendo still tries to shovel horrendously outdated crap on us.
17:26 Pelayo also it was really easy to program for it, you only needed a compiler for arm and sdl
17:26 thexyz > South Korea only
17:27 Calinou john_minetest: +1
17:27 thexyz well, I hope you're not comparing them
17:27 Calinou the problem is, making big maps
17:27 Calinou and characters
17:27 Pelayo I didn't like the psp because it's meant for playing at home
17:27 Calinou and voices (maybe)
17:27 thexyz Pelayo: why at home?
17:27 Pelayo not outside with that battery usage
17:27 thexyz dunno what you're talking about
17:27 Pelayo optical media is a huge error in a portable console
17:28 Pelayo loading times and 4x the battery usage..
17:28 Pelayo nintendo ds lasted for +10 hours with one charge
17:28 thexyz oh, right, optical media
17:28 thexyz I forgot, you had to buy those UMDs
17:28 Pelayo and well, a game boy could last for over a week with Sega batteries.. I miss those batteries
17:29 Pilcrow so does a hacked psp, since it plays off the memory card. I agree optical media was a bad idea though.
17:29 thexyz I'm sure PSP still gets new games
17:30 Pelayo I hope so, because the Vita looks like dying already :/
17:30 Pilcrow (obviously I meant it'll last for 10 hours... not a week)
17:30 thexyz but I think mostly Japanese ones
17:31 thexyz yeah, I own a vita too, and it was the worst purchase ever
17:31 Pilcrow eh, the vita has finally given me a few good reasons to buy it. I'd say the original ds was my worst purchase ever.
17:32 Pelayo I miss my DS :/
17:33 Pelayo my worst purchase was a game boy color with only zelda and super mario dx.. I slipped the zelda cart into water and it stopped saving
17:33 Pelayo and I can play mario 1 without even looking probably
17:33 thexyz in that case you just buy more games
17:33 thexyz but with the vita there are no games to buy
17:33 Pilcrow I don't own a 3ds or a vita, but I'm leaning more towards the vita. they really need to release an official ps2 emulator in a firmware update like they did for psx on psp.
17:33 thexyz there also is Vita TV
17:34 Pelayo I think I will buy the 3ds xl, I played with a friend's one and it looks really good
17:34 thexyz *will be
17:34 Pelayo I'd buy the 2ds if it was cheaper and not that ugly..
17:34 Pelayo 2ds should cost no more than €90
17:35 thexyz so you'll have the chance to enjoy your 480×272 PSP games on your full hd tv
17:35 Pelayo I play gba games in my hd ready tv :P
17:36 Pilcrow wow. that sounds like torture.
17:36 thexyz why?
17:37 thexyz it's cool since you know you're playing GBA on huge TV
17:37 Pelayo they are just like snes games with better pallette and a little more panoramic
17:37 thexyz but when sony sells a device aimed for that (we're in 2013) it feels a bit odd
17:38 Pelayo yep, it's what nintendo did for all their older consoles and wasn't a system seller
17:38 Pelayo there was super game boy for snes and n64 I think, and then gba player for gamecube
17:38 Pilcrow I wouldn't want to play snes games in hd either. not without a graphics smoothing filter in an emulator anyway. otherwise it'd be interpolated up the arse!
17:38 thexyz big square pixels are cool
17:38 thexyz anyway, Sony sucks
17:39 Pelayo I don't like filtering old games
17:39 thexyz in every possible way
17:39 Pelayo I want them exactly like they were designed
17:39 Pelayo I filter only games with a cartoon-like look, like day of the tentacle, because it really fits them
17:40 Pelayo but I love pixels and fm synthesis :P
17:40 thexyz for example, you can develop software for Vita (PSM) but it has to be paid (or with in-app purchases) and to publish it you must live in one of those countries https://en-support.psm.playstatio​n.net/app/answers/detail/a_id/41
17:41 thexyz otherwise, well, you can develop it but they won't take it into their market
17:41 Pilcrow well, I guess I don't usually filter my gba/snes games when I play them on computer. It just seems like they'd be blurry and weird on an hdtv.
17:41 Pelayo I think nintendo is doing things better for independent developers this time
17:41 Pelayo while microsoft is ruining that market for them
17:42 thexyz did I mention they also have evil agreement when signing up for this program?
17:42 Pelayo almost no indie developer who released anything in 360 wants to do anything for xbone
17:43 Pelayo high costs for releasing patches (because the patch has to go through the same approval procedure as a full release) and things like that...
17:43 Pilcrow I'm not a nintendo fan. the n64 was good, gamecube was 50/50, and the wii and wii-u ... well, they should just burn.
17:43 Pelayo I think gamecube is one of the best consoles I've had
17:44 Pelayo most of the games I play on the wii are gamecube ones
17:44 Pilcrow psp is probably my best, but ps2 is close second, followed by dreamcast.
17:44 Pelayo oh, I really miss the dreamcast
17:45 Pelayo I even used it as a backup computer when mine broke
17:45 Pelayo I bought the pieces for my new computer using the dreamkey browser in my mother's office
17:45 john_minetest There should be an open-source GTA clone. Would make sense.
17:46 john_minetest Watching GTA Let's play now
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17:46 Pelayo I'd love to map my city to a game like that
17:46 Calinou make one :>
17:47 * Jordach too
17:47 Jordach i have been planning making a full replica of my local city, Norwich
17:47 Pelayo I remember I mapped my street and nearby ones for duke nukem 3d :P
17:47 Jordach (Norwich, Norfolk, GBR)
17:48 Pilcrow technically, the original xbox really *was* a dc2. sega had a deal with microsoft because they put windows on the dc. then when sega went under as a console manufacturer, microsoft picked it up from where they left off.
17:48 Pelayo yep... the arcade version of the xbox used gd-roms
17:49 Pilcrow there were initial plans to make the home xbox console backwards-compatible with dreamcast gd-roms, too...
17:50 Pelayo that was probably abandoned soon, were they planning on doing the xbox hitachi-based? or emulating the sh-4 in x86?
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17:51 Pilcrow I don't remember, but it was probably the former. it wouldn't have had enough power to emulate, I don't think...
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17:51 Pelayo emulating the dreamcast is hard even with 2ghz
17:52 Octupus hi
17:52 Pelayo hi
17:52 Calinou hi Octupus
17:52 Calinou long time no see :P
17:52 Octupus yea :D
17:52 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i tried playing goldeneye on an n64 emulator, the controls sucked :/
17:53 Pelayo there is a remake of it for wii and 360 too I think
17:53 Octupus Calinou: its been 2 long
17:53 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan it was mostly for nostalgia :P i have a working return to castle wolfenstein on my win7 partition
17:54 Pilcrow it would take less than that if microsoft had access to the dreamcast's blueprints and system notes though. still, I doubt they'd have gotten much done with the xbox's 733Mhz P3 coppermine cpu...
17:56 Octupus dun dun dun
17:57 Pilcrow Khaaaaaaaaaaaan: n64 emulation isn't too bad if you've got a usb game controller
17:58 Pilcrow need to tweak the sensitivity and deadzones to get it to feel right, though.
17:59 Pilcrow in fact, there are even adapters for plugging a n64 controller into usb.
18:00 Pelayo this was me using the dreamcast for browsing and chatting when my computer died..
18:00 Pelayo https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com​/u/48208055/Fotos/picture006a.jpg
18:00 Octupus who's server is up in here i dont like any in the public serverlist
18:00 Octupus except for a few
18:00 Pelayo when I had only a small portable tv..
18:00 Pelayo https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4​8208055/Fotos/picture008.rotation.jpg
18:00 Pelayo and later when I bought the vga box https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com​/u/48208055/Fotos/picture019a.jpg
18:00 Pelayo :P
18:02 Pilcrow awesome. what is the portable system in the first pic?
18:02 Pelayo gp32, predecessor of gp2x
18:02 Pelayo 100-166 mhz (some systems could reach 200), 8 megs, good for emulating 8 bit games...
18:03 Pilcrow ah! knew I'd seen that somewhere before...
18:05 Pelayo it was good but snes was only barely playable if you disabled all transparency, making some games not playable at all (the rain at the start of super metroid covered all the screen for example)
18:06 Pelayo https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/48​208055/Fotos/2315745481025996e13o.jpg you can see it's an old pic because of the extremely low quality.. it was running ghouls and ghosts
18:06 Pilcrow I have an old 486 with a DOS version of ZSNES I used to have to do that with, so I kinda know what you mean.
18:06 Pelayo I'd still pay it if it wasn't limited to 128mb smartmedia cards
18:07 Pelayo play*
18:08 Pilcrow lol I've got a bit of a portable console obsession~
18:08 Pilcrow but I don't buy most of them, just research 'em... (I'm always broke)
18:09 Pilcrow I'd love to get a wonderswan
18:09 Pelayo I think a friend of mine has one, but I doubt she wants to sell it
18:09 Pilcrow :P
18:10 Pelayo https://secure.flickr.com/photos/misatillo/
18:10 Pelayo her collection :P
18:12 Pilcrow wow
18:13 Pilcrow tell her she needs a 3do
18:14 Jordach *updates minetest*
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18:16 Pilcrow is mgv7 capable of generating anything besides stone yet?
18:16 Pilcrow well, stone and water. and ores. I mean, are there any biomes?
18:16 Calinou if you define biomes, yes
18:18 Pilcrow as in, lua-side?
18:18 Jordach sfan5, nore: your Lua mapgen is AWESOME.
18:18 Calinou yes
18:19 john_minetest There is no real OSS GTA clone.
18:19 Calinou what about minetes--
18:20 * Calinou gallops away
18:20 Pelayo looking for the ppa.. :P
18:20 Evergreen I think there are a few games that take advantage of mgv7, like PilzAdam's new pilztest game
18:20 Calinou Pelayo: Minetest PPA?
18:20 sfan5 Jordach: if you have any good screenshot for snow biomes -> /msg sfan5
18:20 sfan5 also: have you seen a village?
18:20 Pilcrow I saw hmmmm's LVM example, and tried pilztest. I just wanted to know about the engine side of things.
18:21 Pelayo yep, I have it in the bookmarks.. I like downloading the .deb manually instead of adding the ppa to the repositories list
18:21 Pilcrow nore has a lua mapgen?
18:21 Calinou why do you like doing that? :P
18:22 Pelayo because I don't like having to update every day, so I don't add ppa's for daily builds
18:22 sfan5 Pilcrow: yes https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=111349#p111349
18:22 Pilcrow I'm in arch. compiling from github source is second-nature by now.  :P
18:23 Pelayo and minetest works fine by extracting the .deb and moving the ./usr/bin to ./usr/share/minetest
18:23 Pelayo so I don't even have to install it
18:23 Pelayo it's probably better to do a static build of it, but meh..
18:24 Jordach holy shit: 892 textures supported in MC4MT8
18:24 Pelayo that's a lot better than my script Oo
18:24 Jordach Pelayo, hand done is way faster
18:24 Calinou 1894 textures in misa
18:24 Jordach but is slower than a script, but has a better payoff
18:24 Calinou 1205 in mce
18:24 Calinou 4058 in HDX O8o
18:24 Calinou O_o*
18:25 Pilcrow thanks for the link, sfan5. I didn't see that earlier. it really looks amazing!  :)
18:25 Octupus POKEMON :D
18:26 john_minetest Hey, let's make a GTA mod for minetest. Building the whole map out of blocks and stuff :D
18:26 john_minetest Can somebody open a server?
18:27 Pilcrow and then import a car mesh from TORCS?  :P
18:27 john_minetest Hmmm... Idk. The cars mod seems to be WIP
18:28 Jordach uhm, sfan5 caves don't appear to generate with mg
18:28 john_minetest But when the city is finished the cars are needed. Not earlier.
18:28 sfan5 Jordach: you sure? try flying underground
18:28 Calinou Pelayo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/minetest :O saucy will finally have uptodate Minetest
18:28 Calinou (but not for long :°
18:28 Calinou :P*
18:29 Jordach sfan5, not many reach above ground
18:29 jin_xi for me mg makes caves in the ocean
18:29 sfan5 Jordach: that is a workaround for a bug
18:29 Jordach sfan5, i get shadowy areas where caves should be
18:29 sfan5 git pull
18:30 sfan5 has been fixed
18:30 Jordach i pulled 10 mins ago
18:30 jin_xi i see, nice
18:30 nore Jordach, the commit is 9 mins ago
18:30 Calinou Pelayo: https://code.launchpad.net/~minet​estdevs/+archive/stable/+packages <= stable PPA (if you asked it)
18:30 nore and now there are even less caves above ground
18:31 nore (not at all)
18:31 Calinou https://launchpad.net/~minete​stdevs/+archive/daily-builds
18:31 Calinou daily ^
18:31 jin_xi yeahyeah found a village!
18:32 Pelayo already had it but thanks :P
18:33 nore and yes, caves are buggy, but I haven't been able to find where the bug comes from
18:33 sfan5 hm
18:34 sfan5 how would I rotate a 3D array
18:34 Pilcrow well, I'm off to compile the latest mt and go make some food. see ya!
18:34 * Jordach thinks Simple Mobs + Beds + Carts / Boats + some others = fun
18:35 nore sfan5, if you could find the origin of the bug, I'd be happy
18:35 sfan5 I'll see
18:35 nore sfan5: map x->-z and z->x
18:35 sfan5 that might work
18:36 Calinou Pilcrow: have a good meal :)
18:36 jin_xi its more or less one huge cave system!
18:36 nore the caves don't generate between -50 and -100, I don't know why, and that's driving me crazy
18:36 nore jin_xi, the code for caves is the same as for ores: veins
18:37 nore the thing is, they sometimes meet
18:38 nore anyway, I need to go
18:38 nore bbl
18:38 Calinou bye
18:43 Jordach sfan5, your mapgen is more Minecraft like
18:43 Jordach im stuggling to see a difference
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18:45 Octupus hi thefamilygrog66
18:45 thefamilygrog66 howdy!
18:45 Octupus havent seen you in a long time
18:45 sfan5 Jordach: any ideas for village houses?
18:46 thefamilygrog66 which server did you play on, Octupus?
18:46 Octupus globis
18:48 thefamilygrog66 ahh yes, between server resets, overzealous protection and griefers, I kinda lost interest with that one
18:48 Octupus yea lol which one you play on now
18:49 thefamilygrog66 a little bit here and there, mostly my own, I guess. trying to get a bit more into the programming side of things too
18:49 Octupus oh
18:49 thefamilygrog66 you?
18:49 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan overzealous protection does suck, but it's necessary when most players are sex-deprived fatties :P
18:50 thefamilygrog66 bahaha
18:50 Octupus doing nothin
18:50 thefamilygrog66 I just find it annoying when EVERYTHING is freakin' protected
18:50 Calinou Khaaaaaaaaaaaan: don't assume "sex-deprived fatties" are griefers
18:50 Calinou (no, I am not a fatty)
18:51 Calinou thefamilygrog66: that's kinda annoying
18:51 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan what else can you do? i can count on one hand the number of players who actually wanna build lol
18:51 Pelayo I find the need for any protection annoying
18:51 Calinou top thing in terms of annoyingness: locked doors
18:51 Pelayo I would put only a strict rule: don't build less than 10 blocks near any other player's building
18:51 Pelayo and don't touch anything made by other people without permission
18:51 Calinou dinner, bye
18:52 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan calinou well if they're not sex deprived fatties there's gotta be something else wrong with them if they dont understand the concept of a building game :P
18:52 thefamilygrog66 hey Khaaaaaaaaaaaan, your recursive functions worked, eh
18:52 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan it did? damn
18:52 thefamilygrog66 I know!
18:52 thefamilygrog66 I even thanked you in the revised mod
18:53 AWTom What do yall think about the Licuorix kernel?
18:53 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i was nearly sure my pseudocode wouldnt work lol
18:53 AWTom http://liquorix.net/
18:53 thefamilygrog66 though I had to reduce the max size to 91x91 - anything larger kills the server with a stack overload, I'm guessing
18:54 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan recursive functions are tricky that way, i have one to make floors but it crashes MT beyond a certain size
18:55 thefamilygrog66 nice fix for my goto conundrum, though. thanks for that
18:55 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan np :-) i started my career coding recursive forums lol
18:56 kahrl to fix the stack overflow you could emulate recursion by using a table as a stack
18:56 jin_xi here comes the lisp
18:57 thefamilygrog66 kahrl, I figure a 91x91 node maze is crazy enough as it is, so I don't have a problem limiting the player to that size
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18:58 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan nor do i have any idea what a stack is and how to fake one lol
18:59 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan crash messages aren't terribly specific enough to google lol
19:00 Pilcrow I can't seem to get nore's mapgen working in the latest git. it looks like it doesn't like the goto command?
19:00 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lol do not use gotos :P
19:00 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i have nothing against them, but it very much depends on which platform/lua version you're running
19:01 Pilcrow well, there's one in nore's lua mapgen. I don't really use them either.
19:01 Jordach *turns on the Minecraft sound track and Minetests 9with MC4MT)*
19:01 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well if there's just one goto, it should be easy enough to replace with a function call
19:02 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan (last time i used a goto i must have been 7 or 8 lol)
19:02 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and like grog, it was in BASIC lol
19:03 Pilcrow well, it's being used to escape a loop, so turning it into a function call might get dicey.  :P
19:03 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan can't you use break?
19:04 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i think break and continue both work in lua
19:04 jin_xi Pilcrow: use luajit
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19:05 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan ^ you cant guarantee that every user will use luajit
19:06 kahrl guess a lua mapgen can reasonably depend on luajit
19:07 kahrl it'll be unplayably slow otherwise, anyway
19:07 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan is there a way to detect which lua a given server is using? that way the mod could say "hey, you need JIT!"
19:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan a more customizable builtin mapgen would be better/faster than anything written in lua though
19:08 Pilcrow I thought I was. I know I have the needed luajit dev files. is there something I need to pass into make/cmake to enable it?
19:09 kahrl if jit then...
19:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though paramat's vmanip moonrealm is faster than the ongen version
19:09 jin_xi i find this mapgen surprisingly good in terms of speed and content
19:09 sfan5 ^ me too :P
19:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan is it flat?
19:12 Pilcrow how do I build a minetest binary with luajit enabled?
19:13 jin_xi if luajit is installed mt should pick it up automagically
19:14 Pilcrow well, I have it. does it need a newer version of luajit than 2.0.0b9-1?
19:15 Pilcrow *2.0.0b9
19:16 Pilcrow and is there a way to check if my minetest binary is luajit-enabled?
19:17 kahrl put this in a mod:  if jit then  print("JIT enabled")  end
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19:22 Pilcrow interesting. it's installed in my system but not recognised by minetest. I wonder what's wrong?
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19:25 kahrl installed luajit after compiling minetest?
19:25 Calinou hi :)
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19:27 Pilcrow nope, my previous build -- also compiled in this system -- has it enabled...
19:28 Pilcrow oh, actually, I just didn't see the output before. aparently this new one also has it enabled, but still doesn't understand goto or line labels for some reason...
19:33 ShadowNinja Jordach: Can you update the technic and technic_game forum posts?
19:34 * Jordach grumbles
19:34 Jordach fuck that, too much effor
19:34 Jordach effort
19:34 ShadowNinja :-(
19:34 Jordach make your own posts and then i can move them to their sections
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19:34 Jordach and then (re)move the old ones
19:34 thefamilygrog66 stay away from luajit!
19:35 ShadowNinja Jordach: ? I mean edit the main post in the technic forum threads by RBA.
19:35 Jordach eww, no
19:35 ShadowNinja thefamilygrog66: Why?
19:35 Pilcrow why? it's never given me any problems before...
19:35 Pilcrow and it makes things faster
19:35 thefamilygrog66 unless it's just for you - don't expect most copies of minetest to have it installed, however
19:35 ShadowNinja Calinou: Can you ^?
19:36 Calinou update them how?
19:37 ShadowNinja Users of Minetest stable need to use the 'stable' branch. The 'indev' branch is no longer used...
19:37 ShadowNinja ('master' Is the main branch now)
19:38 Jordach ShadowNinja, aimbot on your server, #3
19:38 thefamilygrog66 I dunno - I wrote a mod that had a few goto statements. It worked just fine in Windows, but crashed the server on my linux box. Even after I was advised to install luajit dev, and recompiled my minetestserver using it, the goto statements still crashed the server.
19:38 ShadowNinja Calinou: And update the dependencies as your mods are split now.
19:38 thefamilygrog66 In other words, installing it and recompiling did jack shit.
19:39 kaeza thefamilygrog66, when developing mods, you gotta target Lua 5.1
19:40 kaeza also: hi
19:40 thefamilygrog66 kaeza, I know that now, but at the time hey, it worked just fine on my windows laptop, so I figured there was no issue. Howdy!
19:40 Pilcrow it just looks like goto isn't in my linux's luajit for some reason.
19:40 thefamilygrog66 haha, try windows Pilcrow
19:41 thefamilygrog66 consistency would be nice, though
19:41 thefamilygrog66 but Khaaaaaaaaaaaan showed me how to convert the algorithm to use recursive functions instead of goto statements, and it works just fine
19:41 Pilcrow nah, my windows is dead and too full to wipe at the moment. don't want to lose my stuff.
19:41 kaeza on another note, 5.2 may make things easier for sandbocing
19:41 kaeza boxing*
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19:42 kaeza oh he isn't here
19:42 thefamilygrog66 brb - have to install adventure time map/texture pack for my son...
19:42 sdzen totally didn't break more things last night trying to fix my issue and get left with a black screen.....
19:43 kaeza sdzen, I had your problem with LuPu 525
19:43 Pilcrow well, if I replace that single goto with a break and disable the villages (which have many gotos)... then my minetest just crashes without an error message.
19:43 sdzen any ideas on whats missing?
19:43 kaeza (Intel integrated graphics)
19:44 kaeza sdzen, I gave up on the shit; tried to install packages from everywhere, even copying some libs from Ubuntu Lucid
19:45 kaeza actually, the black screen was fixed by using the generic vesa driver
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19:45 kaeza but opengl apps run like shit
19:45 Pilcrow sdzen, what distro are you on?
19:45 sdzen arch
19:45 sdzen minetest is having issues running
19:46 sdzen well actually specifically minetest on opengl setting
19:47 sdzen burningsvideo works like a scary lsd induced dream
19:47 * Evergreen is away
19:48 Pilcrow what video card do you have?
19:48 sdzen I used to know this off the top of my head......
19:48 sdzen hold on
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19:51 sdzen graphics card right?
19:51 Pilcrow yeah
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19:51 Pilcrow easiest way I know to find out is lspci |grep VGA
19:53 sdzen AMD/ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4225/4250
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19:54 thefamilygrog66 man, trying to do anything with minecraft totally makes me appreciate modding minetest...
19:55 [0gb_us] I imagine it does. Easy "modding" is one of the goals of Minetest. Not so much with Minecraft.
19:55 Pilcrow aha! I have the 4200. I suppose AMD broke compatibility with the 4xxx series, as my 4200 and my friend's 4700 both won't work with the official drivers. must use the free linux ones or try and shoehorn a year-old driver into a current system...  x_x
19:56 sdzen I use the free ones
19:56 sdzen I was trying to use the nonfree ones for abit
19:56 sdzen that gave me a wonderful black screen of incompatible drivers
19:56 Calinou lol, HD4200
19:57 sdzen Calinou bragging again?
19:57 Calinou no
19:57 [0gb_us] My AMD graphics are practically broken if I don't use the proprietary driver. Still, I use the free one anyway. I doubt I'm getting another AMD laptop.
19:57 Calinou but HD4200s were terrible
19:57 Calinou [0gb_us]: don't judge with the past
19:57 Pilcrow @Calinou: it's all I can afford. this is actually the most powerful video card I've ever owned...
19:57 sdzen you should hear about my wireless card :)
19:57 [0gb_us] Hmm? WHat past? Is this about AMD or Minecraft?
19:57 Calinou AMD
19:58 [0gb_us] Is AMD open about their specs now?
19:58 sdzen its literally one of 2 broadcom cards that have the worst linux compatibility
19:58 Calinou [0gb_us]: somehow?
19:58 Calinou broadcom is terrible :P
19:58 sdzen it is
19:58 [0gb_us] Somehow what?
19:58 sdzen I thought about replacing it with an intel
19:59 sdzen but then I realized that the fucking card costs more then my computer
19:59 Calinou [0gb_us]: their GPU specs
19:59 [0gb_us] Are the specs open knowledge now?
19:59 Calinou which kind of specs?
19:59 [0gb_us] THe ones needed to create free drivers.
20:00 Calinou yes, they do
20:00 Calinou their free driver is developed by a few AMD employees
20:00 Calinou unlike nvidia
20:00 Pilcrow sdzen, I've had decent luck with a belkin wireless usb adapter. you can get something like that for $20 or less.
20:00 [0gb_us] Oh, okay then. I guess my GPU is just too old for them to bother releasing the specs on.
20:00 sdzen Belkin adaptors work well
20:00 sdzen I have one
20:00 sdzen but....
20:01 sdzen its on another computer
20:01 sdzen :)
20:01 [0gb_us] * sigh * Now I have to figure out how to draw a good stone texture ...
20:01 sdzen so any clues as to what is missing person who sounds familiar
20:02 Pilcrow I also have a belkin pcmcia card. but nothing uses pcmcia anymore.  :P
20:02 [0gb_us] Missing from what?
20:03 sdzen my evil computer
20:03 sdzen which in its old age decided that my windows partition will now be corrupt and read only
20:03 [0gb_us] In what way is your computer evil and what does it already have?
20:03 Pilcrow do you still have the black screen?
20:03 sdzen nope
20:03 sdzen now its a minetest issue
20:04 sdzen I fixed that screen
20:04 Pilcrow any error messages if you try running ./minetest in a terminal window?
20:04 sdzen oh I know the error message No GLX support available. OpenGL driver will not work.
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20:05 [0gb_us] Hmm. I know nothing about making drivers work.
20:05 Pilcrow is mesa installed?
20:07 sdzen yep
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20:14 thexyz shitposting: https://forum.minetest.net/search.php?a​ction=show_user_posts&amp;user_id=7615
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20:16 Pilcrow sorry sdzen. I tried to do a little research into it, but I'm at a loss. glxgears works?
20:16 zat A maybe simple question... I need to somehow make my player immortal. It is on multiplayer and I am the admin.
20:16 Calinou zat: disable damage
20:16 sdzen I believe so
20:16 Calinou you can do that in minetest.conf or with /set
20:16 Calinou oh, your player only
20:16 zat Yes Calinou lol
20:16 Calinou then you need to use a mod
20:16 zat is there such a mod?
20:16 [0gb_us] zat, I tried to do the same thing ad failed.
20:16 [0gb_us] *and
20:17 Calinou I know one but it doesn't protect you from stuff that deals more than 9.5 hearts a second
20:17 zat D:
20:17 zat I want to be able to fly under lava
20:17 [0gb_us] Yeah, lava inflicts client-side damage, which is hard to block from the server side.
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20:18 sdzen wait
20:18 sdzen no it doesnt
20:18 [0gb_us] It used to, anyway.
20:18 [0gb_us] The client calculated the damage and sent it to the server.
20:18 Pilcrow 0gb, I think sdzen was talking to me
20:19 [0gb_us] Oh, my bad.
20:20 Calinou zat: you can do that
20:21 Calinou zat: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4716
20:21 Calinou I'm not sure if it works with latest Minetest
20:22 Pilcrow sdzen, try backing up and removing your Xorg.conf if you have one. then reboot. make sure you back it up, in case you need to undo that change...  :P
20:23 Calinou zat: "God mode just sets your health to 20 every server tick.  You can actually still die when you fall from a very high height, but you will respawn where you died with no consequences."
20:23 sdzen hmmmm
20:23 * Calinou doesn't have a Xorg.conf
20:24 zat sounds good Calinou, thanks for the info
20:24 sdzen wait how?
20:24 sdzen Calinou?
20:24 Calinou sdzen: ?
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20:24 Calinou zat: np :)
20:24 sdzen why dont you have a xorg.conf?
20:25 Pilcrow latest versions of X don't need xorg.conf in order to function.
20:25 sdzen aaaahh
20:25 Guest32084 hi
20:25 Sokomine how can two sqlite databases be merged into one? same data structure (both maps)
20:26 Pilcrow that's why I suggested backing it up and removing it if you DO have one; so linux's video settings will fall back on its default stuff.
20:26 [0gb_us] Hello!
20:26 Pilcrow it's usually in /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you didn't know. not sure in arch though, as my system also has no xorg.conf
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20:27 Sokomine hi
20:27 Calinou hi Sokomine and [0gb_us] :)
20:28 sdzen hi
20:29 zat one more little thing... I have finite_water in my server, someone knows a mod that gives me like a... infinite water generator block?
20:29 zat I have searched with no luck
20:30 [0gb_us] I'm not sure on that, as I don't use finite water myself, but I think I heard there was a way.
20:30 Calinou gtg, night :)
20:30 [0gb_us] Good night.
20:30 zat night
20:30 Pilcrow night
20:30 thexyz Sokomine: define merged
20:30 Pilcrow it would be easy to make a mod that does that, zat. not sure if any exist currently though...
20:30 [0gb_us] Although, finite water with an infinite source may flood everything.
20:31 zat Well [0gb_us], I actually mean a block that behaves exactly as if finite_water was false.
20:31 thexyz Sokomine: do they intersect?
20:32 Sokomine combined into one database. values from one database imported into the other. since both are mt worlds, they share the same database structure
20:32 [0gb_us] zat, yeah, but if the source behaves infinite and the flowing behaves finite, you get flooding.
20:32 Sokomine i've rewritten the indices so that intersection should not happen
20:32 zat well, no idea how it would actually behave like
20:32 [0gb_us] When water is not finite, the flowing limits itself and must have a source. Not so much with finite.
20:33 [0gb_us] This is only speculation, but I don't think it would go well. The world would flood.
20:33 Sokomine sqlite says that it supports .import FILE TABLE, but i've found little more specific on that
20:33 [0gb_us] Or rather, any loaded chunk touching the source up to the source's level would flood.
20:34 zat [0gb_us]: now that I remember, when water is infinite, it just flows until sea level is reached.
20:35 [0gb_us] That's only when there is a limited amount of it. As in, there is no source. Unless I misunderstand what you are saying.
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20:35 Terabyte Is vanessa on?
20:36 [0gb_us] VanessaE, you have a visitor.
20:36 sdzen marcooooooooo
20:36 Terabyte marcoo?
20:36 proller zat, https://gist.github.com/proller/4987328
20:36 Pilcrow polo?
20:36 sdzen I was looking for a polo from big V over there
20:36 [0gb_us] Terabyte, if you type their full user name, most people are alerted that you said something.
20:37 Terabyte Vanessa, you on?  My friend would
20:37 Terabyte oops
20:37 Jordach Terabyte, you mean VanessaE <-
20:37 Terabyte VanessaE, you on?  My friend would like to have interact
20:37 zat [0gb_us]: There must be a reason why the world does not flood when finite_water is off.
20:37 Terabyte He already requested on the forums
20:37 [0gb_us] The reason, I think, is that there are no sources. I could be wrong though.
20:38 thexyz Sokomine: I think you could do `echo ".dump" | sqlite3 first.sqlite > first.txt`, then remove "CREATE TABLE" from first.txt, then do `cat first.txt | sqlite3 second.sqlite` (don't forget to do all kinds of backups)
20:38 zat Maybe each water block acts as a source.
20:38 zat every*
20:38 proller [0gb_us], finite by default can flood only below sea level
20:38 * Terabyte pokes VanessaE
20:39 [0gb_us] I see. I mean, "I sea.".
20:39 Pilcrow looks like she's logged in, but busy with something else. haven't seen a message from her in quite a while.
20:39 proller in indev mapgen you can find water springs in floatlands
20:39 Sokomine thexyz: so it can only import by exporting into sql first?
20:39 [0gb_us] DO water springs require another mapgen alias?
20:39 thexyz Sokomine: I dunno, but that will work
20:40 [0gb_us] *Do
20:40 thexyz I think you can compact it to a single command
20:40 proller [0gb_us], no, just source with param2=127
20:41 [0gb_us] Okay, so the answer to the infinite source question is that you need a plugin to add the correct param value, zat. You'll need to write some code.
20:41 * Jordach wonders why we have Mapgen V6, Mapgen V7 and INDEV
20:41 proller https://gist.github.com/proller/4987328
20:42 proller ups
20:42 proller its too old version
20:42 Pilcrow what's the difference between v7 and indev anyway? I thought v7 was the one currently being developed...
20:42 zat I will need to learn lua first :D
20:43 [0gb_us] V7 is nothing like indev.
20:43 Jordach Pilcrow, my question exactly
20:43 [0gb_us] Indev is similar to v6.
20:43 proller https://gist.github.com/proller/4987328
20:43 proller ^ new spring version
20:48 Pilcrow in other words, v7 and v6 are both being actively developed and indev is the unstable v6 branch?
20:48 [0gb_us] I'm not sure, but maybe.
20:49 [0gb_us] Indev definitely has nothing to do with v7 though.
20:50 Sokomine thexyz: it did work. thank you!
20:54 * Jordach continues work on Phase 1c
20:57 proller v6 is completely frozen
20:58 proller indev its try make v6 less boring
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20:58 Pilcrow so it's like a fork of v6?
21:01 proller yes
21:01 proller not fork, extending
21:01 Pilcrow ah. that makes sense.
21:05 Pilcrow less boring how, exactly?
21:06 Pilcrow are there jungles in indev?
21:07 proller (float islands at 500+, rare HUGE caves, near edges: higher mountains, larger biomes)
21:07 proller enable them as for v6
21:08 proller jungles^
21:08 proller and springs in indev too
21:09 Pilcrow interesting. that sounds fun. I may try a world in indev. thanks for the info, proller.  :)
21:14 Wuzzy I recently found a large area of pile. I often read in the forums that this is a biome. Is this true?
21:14 Wuzzy I mean “gravel”, not “pile”. XD
21:15 ShadowNinja I am not sure if it is intended, but I have seen then too.
21:16 * Terabyte pokes VanessaE
21:16 [0gb_us] So is indev actually in development then, or is it done?
21:17 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: technic indev is no longer used, all commits go to master now.
21:19 [0gb_us] Master? As in the branch? Not the indev branch (which I didn't know existed), the indev map generator.
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21:21 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: Indev map generator? Do you mean the isometric map generator?
21:22 [0gb_us] ShadowNinja, I mean the map generator you get when you add "mg_name = indev" to minetest.conf.
21:24 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: Ah, pro||er manages that, he adds new things to it every once in a while.
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21:25 [0gb_us] Okay, thanks for the information! Something Adam said the other day made me wonder.
21:25 PilzAdam Adam!
21:25 [0gb_us] That's what I said. I was trying not to buzz you though.
21:25 proller [0gb_us], its mostly done, but if good idea will come - it can be coded
21:25 sfan5 !c 4*2+1
21:25 MinetestBot 9
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21:26 proller now i want to tune size of huge caves and make them 10-20% more frequent
21:27 proller make them smaller to avoid flat edges
21:28 proller and need something like caves trees, but in mod
21:29 [0gb_us] Hmm. THat's an idea. Whould they be the same as surface trees, or a new type?
21:29 [0gb_us] *would
21:30 proller maybe without leaves
21:30 proller maybe curved
21:31 proller and with underground trees you can never lift up
21:32 proller like dwarf
21:32 [0gb_us] What do you mean by "lift up"? Do you mean harvest?
21:32 proller go to surface
21:32 proller now you always need trees
21:32 proller for ewerything
21:32 [0gb_us] Hmm. So maybe they can't grow in light or can't grow in altitude?
21:33 proller i think light better
21:33 zat there is an issue in my server (I think), some items need certain item in order to be crafted, but I cannot find that item anywhere in the recipes book,.
21:33 zat Is that ok?
21:33 Pilcrow altitude would make more sense, so they can be planted in a torchlit room...
21:34 AWTom Aversion to sunlight, not light in general
21:34 [0gb_us] Books are made of paper, paper is made of papyrus, zat.
21:35 zat What about "Tree stick"
21:35 zat I cannot find that item
21:35 proller AWTom ++
21:36 [0gb_us] Put planks in the grid to make sticks.
21:36 AWTom Is there a mod that makes crafting not dependent on the silly 3x3 grid thing? i.e. pick things from a list, or something?
21:37 [0gb_us] That sounds like creative mode, AWTom.
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21:37 proller maybe recipe book?
21:41 AWTom creative looks like it has the same grid thing
21:41 [0gb_us] Creative lets you ignore the grid.
21:42 AWTom how
21:42 [0gb_us] Use the item list on the left.
21:42 AWTom I don't see one
21:42 [0gb_us] Which game are you using? Minimal, minetest_game, et certera.
21:43 AWTom minimal
21:43 PilzAdam there is no creative mode for minimal
21:43 [0gb_us] Minimal doesn't have creative.
21:43 PilzAdam why do you use that?
21:43 AWTom I'm testing
21:44 PilzAdam minimal is for testing engine stuff
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21:55 Pilcrow checking IRC for signs of life
21:55 * AWTom twitches
21:56 Pilcrow hello AWTom
21:56 * [0gb_us] plays possum
21:56 AWTom Good morning
21:56 Pilcrow plays ogre
21:57 Pilcrow it's almost 5pm here. but good morning to you~  :P
21:57 AWTom how time flies
21:57 AWTom it's about to be 17:00 here
21:58 Pilcrow heh, same then.  :P
21:59 Pilcrow eh, I always tell my friends my morning starts at noon.  :)
22:00 PilzAdam its midnight here
22:00 PilzAdam (if anyone cares)
22:00 Pilcrow interesting. what country are you in, pilz?
22:00 PilzAdam Germany
22:01 Evergreen Hi AWTom
22:01 AWTom hello
22:02 Evergreen It's so much fun customizing xfce, (says a previous unity user)
22:03 [0gb_us] Unity is a bit ... nuts.
22:03 Pilcrow it's too hard customizing xfce, says current kde user.  :P
22:04 [0gb_us] KDE's not my style. I prefer Xfce/GNOME2/MATE/Cinnamon.
22:05 Pilcrow I think I'd choose unity over gnome 3, but both suck. gnome2/mate are good. haven't used cinnamon though.
22:06 [0gb_us] Cinnamon is a GNOME3 fork that tries to provide a GNOME2-like interface.
22:06 Pilcrow thanks for the info, but I knew that already. just never bothered to try it.
22:07 PilzAdam KDE FTW!
22:08 [0gb_us] It was a bit too slow for my machine (both Cinnamon and KDE).
22:08 [0gb_us] I do want to sit down and play with KDE later though.
22:08 Pilcrow cinnamon does look nice though...
22:09 Evergreen Cinnamon kind of has the same layout as windows
22:10 Evergreen from what I can see
22:10 Pilcrow kde's main thing is RAM. I'd never want to use it on a system with less than a gig, although it will WORK with 512Mb. just not well. and gl support is a plus. with those, it'll work just fine.
22:10 [0gb_us] If you play with the customization, you see Cinnamon is not like Windows.
22:12 Pilcrow kde's default looks very much like win7, but the file manager is much more versatile and the desktop has multiple "modes"
22:12 PilzAdam ... my KDE doesnt look like win
22:13 Pilcrow but your kde probably also doesn't look like default kde, eh?  ;)
22:13 PilzAdam the default config does, though
22:13 PilzAdam but who runs KDE in default anyway ;-)
22:14 Evergreen Yeah, my xfce looks nothing like windows or unity already, I love how customizable it is
22:14 Evergreen I also like how light weight it is
22:14 Pilcrow right now I have a windows-style bottom panel, a hidden panel full of launchers on top (similar to a dock), and a mobile-style search-and-launch desktop. normal desktop icons are a thing of the past for me  ;)
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22:15 Evergreen I have a hidden panel on the bottom right with the workspace switcher, the clock, and the logout button
22:15 Evergreen Then I have one on th top right with applications
22:16 Evergreen Also a button that minimizes all windows
22:16 PilzAdam I have a hidden panel with launchers and system icons at the left, and when moving the mouse to the right I get a overview of my 4 workspaces
22:16 PilzAdam also yakuake on the top right
22:16 Evergreen I swear, minetest runs so much faster with xfce on my laptop
22:17 Evergreen Speaking of which, I would like it if minetest would support full screen
22:17 PilzAdam (yakuake takes a bit less than 1/4 of the screen)
22:17 Pilcrow oh and I have my menu set to the classic branching menu, rather than the stupid all-in-one-window type of thing everyone seems to be trying to force me to use~  :P
22:17 PilzAdam Evergreen, try  fullscreen=true  in minetest.conf
22:17 Evergreen Oh, never knew that
22:17 Evergreen thanks
22:18 PilzAdam although I do have a launcher kind of thing in my panel, I mostly use yakuake to start programs (or the quick starters)
22:19 Evergreen Also, guake still seems to work with xfce, which is nice
22:21 Pilcrow I have my commonly used stuff on my hidden dock-style launcher bar. for everything else, there's always kde's built-in app runner with alt-F2... I rarely use the menu either.
22:22 PilzAdam I hate alt-f2
22:22 PilzAdam who invented that shit?!?!
22:22 PilzAdam why not a normal shell?
22:22 [0gb_us] It should be a shell.
22:22 PilzAdam (thats why I have yakuake ;-))
22:23 Evergreen PilzAdam: ONe problem with fullscreen, the window is still not maximized making for some weird graphical glitches
22:24 PilzAdam you have to set the windowsize properly too
22:24 PilzAdam I prefer fake-fullscreen anyway (i.e. maximize + hide outline + hide topbar)
22:26 Pilcrow evergreen, add screenW = 1280 and screenH = 720       ... at least those are the width and height I use. yours may be different.
22:27 Pilcrow I get much better performance in fullscreen mode. alt-tab won't work for me though.
22:28 * Jordach has a bigger screen than Pilcrow
22:28 * PilzAdam has a bigger one too
22:28 PilzAdam ^^
22:28 xiong My thing is bigger than your thing... and I have two of them.
22:29 Pilcrow eh, my res will go heigher, but this laptop has heat issues. gets hotter if I run it with higher resolutions.
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22:32 Pilcrow I'd actually go with a LOWER res for minetest, but 1280x720 is the lowest widescreen res my system seems to support.
22:32 Evergreen Screw buying cookies, bake them yourself
22:32 Evergreen or buy a grandma to bake them for you
22:33 PilzAdam or a time machine to bring them from the past before they were even eaten!
22:33 Evergreen Or an antimatter condenser that turns the antimatter of the univers into cookies!
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22:33 PilzAdam oO
22:34 Evergreen (only true cookie clickers will know whhat we are talking about)
22:34 AWTom Cookie clicker?
22:34 AWTom ugh
22:34 jojoa1997 the web game
22:34 AWTom that's really annoying at my school
22:34 PilzAdam that thing is new
22:34 Pilcrow or buy the pre-packaged cookie dough and eat it without cooking (if you can find the ones without raw egg)  :P
22:34 jojoa1997 i found that if i use my tablet to click and then go to a new tab it will keep on clicking for me
22:34 jojoa1997 i leave it running on my tablet durning class sometimes
22:35 Evergreen I leave it running while I am using my computer
22:35 [0gb_us] PilzAdam, don't steal past cookies. You'll create a paradox.
22:35 PilzAdam [0gb_us], no, I already got the paradox resolver
22:35 PilzAdam "No more messing arround with your own grandma"
22:36 jojoa1997 [0gb_us] until you fix your server speed i will keep anoying you :-)
22:36 Evergreen I have 70 anti matter condensers already, and all the upgrades
22:36 jojoa1997 so when wil it be semifast or seminormal again
22:36 [0gb_us] jojoa1997, I have no way to fix it without some cash.
22:37 * jojoa1997 sends some cookie to [0gb_us] to sell
22:37 Pilcrow Evergreen: you may have 70 anti matter condensers, but how many matter anti-condensers do you have?  :P
22:38 Evergreen lol, cookie clicker is so pointless
22:38 Evergreen I'm sure you have seen most of the refrences in it by now Pilcrow
22:38 AWTom http://candies.aniwey.net/
22:38 Evergreen PilzAdam:
22:38 AWTom that's much better than Cookie Clicker
22:38 jojoa1997 i have real people playing the game for me. Can you all do that?!
22:38 PilzAdam AWTom, agreed
22:38 jojoa1997 what is taht
22:38 jojoa1997 that
22:39 Pilcrow I've never played cookie clicker
22:40 Evergreen Don't.   You will be sucked in to a portal of cookies
22:41 Evergreen You won't be able to stop
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22:42 AWTom http://candybox2.net/ I'm going to play that when it's out
22:43 PilzAdam _____                 _        ______             _____
22:43 PilzAdam | /  \/ __ _ _ __   __| |_   _  | |_/ / _____  __ `' / /'
22:43 PilzAdam | |    / _` | '_ \ / _` | | | | | ___ \/ _ \ \/ /   / /
22:43 PilzAdam | \__/\ (_| | | | | (_| | |_| | | |_/ / (_) >  <  ./ /___
22:43 PilzAdam \____/\__,_|_| |_|\__,_|\__, | \____/ \___/_/\_\ \_____/
22:43 PilzAdam __/ |
22:43 PilzAdam |___/
22:44 * PilzAdam enjoys not being kicked by ShadowBot
22:44 Menche lol, someone else quit due to "Excess flood"
22:44 Menche ruined your ascii art
22:44 * [0gb_us] also enjoys not being kicked, but isn't kicked for other reasons
22:46 PilzAdam aparently the second line is missing: "* __ :Unknown command"
22:50 kaeza PilzAdam, lol
22:51 kaeza is it out yet? :3
22:51 * kaeza googles
22:51 Menche it says in october
22:51 AWTom http://candybox2.net/
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22:52 kaeza awwww...tom
22:53 AWTom When people are disappointed in a game, and they chat "aw," I quickly follow up
22:55 sdzen follow up with what?
22:55 sdzen I know when I see someone type aw the first response is....
22:55 sdzen cheer up ma niggah,
22:56 sdzen :)
22:59 kaeza AWTom, whenever I see your nick, I think of Java
23:00 PilzAdam /nick swingTOM to get an upgrade
23:02 AWTom How does AWTom remind you of Java, kaeza?
23:03 kaeza Abstract Windowing Toolkit om
23:04 kaeza oh PilzAdam ninja'd me :P
23:12 VanessaE hi
23:13 Pilcrow she's alive!
23:13 VanessaE barely
23:13 Pilcrow ?
23:13 VanessaE !
23:14 kaeza ¿
23:14 Pilcrow aww, I can't send an interobang through irc
23:15 Pilcrow I'll just send my namesake. ¶
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23:17 Pilcrow Lordeon, your nick would be so much cooler if it were Lordaeron
23:18 Lordeon How would you say that?
23:19 Pilcrow lord-air-on. it's a kingdom from the warcraft franchise BEFORE WoW...
23:19 Lordeon oh
23:20 Pilcrow lol
23:23 VanessaE ‽  <-- there's your interrobang :)
23:24 Lordeon I hope 0.4.8 comes out soon I've been waiting
23:25 VanessaE you can always run a git build too
23:26 Lordeon Yeah,put I can't find any that have newer things in changelog
23:26 Pilcrow interesting. when I tried sending one it said 'The message you are sending includes characters that do not exist in your current encoding'
23:27 Lordeon just send me the url
23:28 VanessaE Lordeon: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6727  or  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547  or  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1523
23:28 Lordeon thanks
23:29 VanessaE or if you run linux, build from source or run the dailies PPA from https://launchpad.net/~minete​stdevs/+archive/daily-builds
23:29 sdzen so we seriously havent had a 0.4.8 official release yet?
23:30 VanessaE not yet
23:30 ShadowNinja https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/issues?milestone=1&amp;state=open
23:31 sdzen can we at least have a 0.4.7.1 sorry for adding so much crap that it makes things confusing for new users most of the time version?
23:31 VanessaE jeez
23:31 Pilcrow is the official release waiting until the entity duplication bug is solved?
23:33 Pilcrow I know that's been a big issue...
23:33 ShadowNinja Minetest uses a huge-major-minor version system, but calls it major-minor-patch.
23:33 VanessaE Pilcrow: no, but those other bugs ShadowNinja linked to, yes.
23:34 VanessaE #875, "[bug] [enhancement]"
23:34 VanessaE wehh which is it?
23:34 VanessaE well*
23:34 VanessaE it can't really be both can it?
23:34 [0gb_us] I wondered that as well. Maybe it's an enhanced bug?
23:34 sdzen hmmm
23:35 sdzen yeah they dont really conflict vanessa
23:35 sdzen lots of our new features can have bugs in them
23:35 [0gb_us] "Hey, we have a bug that needs fixing." "Nah, let's make it worse and call it an 'enhanced bug'."
23:35 VanessaE [0gb_us]: heh
23:35 sdzen in fact I am suprised enhancement isnt a synonym of bug
23:36 sdzen surprised*
23:37 [0gb_us] Diagonal rails are on the priority, eh? Not that I have an opinion on them, but I was under the impression they were not going to be pulled.
23:37 VanessaE pilz got overruled ;)
23:37 PilzAdam let me quote c55 to point out a reason why we havent released yet:
23:37 PilzAdam <celeron55> oh god this release-making stuff...
23:37 PilzAdam <celeron55> horrible, horrible work
23:38 Pilcrow lol
23:38 PilzAdam if anyone is interested in details: http://dev.minetest.net/Releasing_Minetest
23:39 VanessaE PilzAdam: you're lagging :P
23:39 Pilcrow I don't know why it's a priorty, but I do at least LIKE the diagonal rails idea...
23:39 PilzAdam :-/ messed up my CTCP time reponse
23:39 xiong Error when trying to run a new install of technic in single; error on this line:
23:40 xiong technic.config = Settings(worldpath.."/technic.conf")
23:40 xiong I want to try creating an empty file there, see how that goes. What's 'worldpath'?
23:40 [0gb_us] I don't see a benefit in diagonal rails, but I also don't see any harm in them.
23:40 Wuzzy joined #minetest
23:40 proller if you want new features - use -next: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7033
23:41 PilzAdam why is everyone talking about diagonal rails as "priority" suddenly?
23:41 VanessaE PilzAdam: because it's among the 0.4.8 milestones
23:41 [0gb_us] It's on the list of things that needs to be done: https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/issues?milestone=1&amp;state=open
23:41 PilzAdam VanessaE, the milestone list just means "decide something"
23:41 PilzAdam nothing else
23:41 xiong Speaking as a model railroader... don't get into diagonal rails or turnouts or anything like that. The hole you will be driving into is bottomless. Soon you'll be studying superelevation.
23:42 * VanessaE shrugs...  I'm not the one making a big deal of it :)
23:42 [0gb_us] Oh, decide, eh? My bad.
23:42 xiong So what's 'worldpath'?
23:42 PilzAdam xiong, the path to the world directory
23:42 [0gb_us] Worldpath is the file path of the world directory.
23:42 PilzAdam i.e. $path_user/worlds/<worldname>/  usually
23:43 VanessaE xiong: but...but...what if I wanted to make a helix elevator? :'(
23:43 PilzAdam xiong, as a model railroader: you might be interested in the fact that my carts are a perpetuum mobile
23:43 xiong PilzAdam, I realize there's some difficulty in expressing this because you're contending with multiple platforms and other weirdness.
23:44 xiong Same dir as 'minetest.conf'?
23:44 PilzAdam $path_user is where minetest.conf is, yes
23:44 xiong I'm trying to get away from placeholders here and find out what they resolve to.
23:45 xiong I put technic.conf in the same dir as minetest.conf. An empty file.
23:45 PilzAdam what OS?
23:45 xiong Linux. What else?
23:45 PilzAdam system-wide installation?
23:45 xiong Argh. Simple question, simple answer, do not want to belabor it. Sorry I asked.
23:46 harrison nation-wide!
23:46 xiong Empty file there does not work.
23:47 xiong You know, guys, I'm not too arrogant to read documentation... if provided.
23:47 PilzAdam I just assume you have an system-wide installation, the worldpath is then: /home/<username>/.minetest/worlds/<worldname>/
23:47 harrison world-wide!
23:49 xiong PilzAdam, sorry if I'm easily frustrated. I try to eliminate contingencies.
23:50 kaeza xiong, did you build MT yourself?
23:50 xiong No, I did not. Why?
23:50 xiong I'm running 0.4.7, stock.
23:50 kaeza just asking
23:50 kaeza :|
23:51 kaeza xiong, then there's no Settings() class
23:51 xiong I try not to dive headfirst into the deep end of unknown waters.
23:51 xiong Ah.
23:51 kaeza you may have to use an older version of technic
23:51 xiong So the entire effort of installing technic-master is doomed on this route.
23:51 kaeza yup
23:52 PilzAdam install the stable branch
23:52 xiong My thought, yes. Except you guys are all chomping at the bit, all the time; and can't wait to push the bleeding edge, all the time. So all my efforts to remain stable are going to run into a wall.
23:53 PilzAdam true, Minetst modders are quite impatient when it comes to new features in the dev version
23:53 kaeza xiong, most major mods try to keep "stable" branches (if using git) or use versioned downloads
23:53 [0gb_us] xiong, if it makes you feel better, I run the stable version as well.
23:53 xiong Let me say it once, not to annoy: I'm very, very good at technical documentation -- writing and illustration. If any of you guys want to slow down development *just* enough to work with me to document the work you've already done, please let me know, I'll be glad to help.
23:54 PilzAdam also people like VanessaE are counterproductive, since they tell everyone that stable is outdated
23:54 PilzAdam which is by definition wrong
23:54 VanessaE stable IS outdated.
23:54 ShadowNinja ^
23:54 ShadowNinja Very much so.
23:54 kaeza PilzAdam, still, 0.4.7 is really outdated as of now
23:54 xiong Look at it this way: If you answer all my stupid questions once, then in future you can tell all the other fools to RTFM.
23:55 xiong Stable is always outdated. That's why it's stable.
23:55 xiong Some people, such as dinosaurs like me, actually prefer stability to new features.
23:55 VanessaE it's like debian: the branches are rusty, old, and broken ;)
23:55 ShadowNinja It is unusually outdatae for stable.
23:55 ShadowNinja outdated*
23:55 xiong Then... release a new stable version?
23:55 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, compared to what?
23:56 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: The last few releases.
23:56 kaeza xiong, 0.4.8 will come along with HL3, to put it in perspective
23:56 kaeza :P
23:56 VanessaE kaeza: right, we can't compare it to DNF anymore ;)
23:56 kaeza s/along/at the same time/
23:57 ShadowNinja s/with/as/
23:57 kaeza somebody will soon do that "Minetest 0.4.8 confirmed" meme
23:57 [0gb_us] Latest stable version, by definition, cannot be outdated in an ongoing project. The unstable version is effectively a FUTURE version.
23:57 kaeza VanessaE, DNF?
23:57 ShadowNinja kaeza knows ALL the memes.
23:58 harrison i thought it was "champing at the bit" instead of "chomping"
23:58 VanessaE Duke Nuke'em Forever
23:58 ShadowNinja ;-)
23:58 xiong [0gb_us], You are a being after my own heart.
23:58 kaeza ShadowNinja, maybe :P
23:58 kaeza VanessaE, Nukem*
23:58 xiong Is there anyway I can convince anybody to retard progress just that tiny little bit to throw down a signpost when something works?
23:58 [0gb_us] xiong, I don't understand.
23:59 VanessaE kaeza: it was the quintessential "when the fuck is this ever coming out" game for like 10 years or something
23:59 VanessaE (and when it finally came out, it got lukewarm reviews, as I understand)
23:59 kaeza hah yes
23:59 xiong [0gb_us], You said stable cannot be outdated. I agree. Stable should actually be what most people are using most of the time.
23:59 [0gb_us] xiong, what are you documenting? The API documentation should be up to date already, I think.
23:59 Lordeon I've been waiting for 2 months...lovley

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