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00:02 thefamilygrog66 haha Khaaaaaaaaaaaan, just saw what you called that pastebin code
00:02 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan easter egg :P
00:02 [0gb_us] Hmm. I thought I knew how to do this, but I don't know how to do this. How do I install the PPA again?
00:03 thefamilygrog66 I was all like, who's got the ascii pron tab open in my browser?
00:04 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lollll
00:04 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i never know what to call shit
00:04 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan thank god i dont have kids
00:04 arsdragonfly http://ppa.launchpad.net/m​inetestdevs/stable/ubuntu
00:04 arsdragonfly [0gb_us]: ^
00:04 arsdragonfly then sudo apt-get install minetest
00:05 PilzAdam * minetestc55
00:05 PilzAdam minetest is the 0.3.1 package from the ubuntu repos
00:05 arsdragonfly oh yeah
00:05 arsdragonfly thx
00:06 [0gb_us] That link was only a directory, but I found instructions elsewhere. Thanks!
00:09 thefamilygrog66 http://codeatuts.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/i​nterlude-7-recursion-closures-in-lua.html
00:09 thefamilygrog66 I gotta learn this ^^^
00:13 [0gb_us] Hmm. minetestc55 is failing to show up in the graphical package manager, but at least the text-based package manager is working.
00:15 VanessaE it ain't minetestc55 anymore
00:15 [0gb_us] Assuming the stable client is free to access it, I'm connecting to the server now.
00:15 VanessaE just minetest
00:15 VanessaE (I think)
00:15 [0gb_us] In the PPA, it's still minetestc55. I just installed it.
00:15 VanessaE odd
00:15 VanessaE someone needs to fix that
00:15 [0gb_us] "sudo apt-get install minetestc55"
00:15 PilzAdam VanessaE, no
00:16 [0gb_us] Yeah, maybe, but "minetest" is taken, so we can't use that.
00:16 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan so many abandoned repos lol
00:16 VanessaE it ain't c55's project anymore and doesn't bear "-c55" anywhere else, so the package needs to be changed
00:16 VanessaE call it minetest-engine or something
00:17 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan what about minetest-supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?
00:17 [0gb_us] It has minetest_game too, it's not just the engine, VanessaE. Though I agree the "c55" might be due for removal.
00:17 PilzAdam calling it minetest would override the one in ubuntu repos, AFAIK
00:17 VanessaE PilzAdam: good
00:17 VanessaE the ubuntu one is hopelessly outdated.
00:17 arsdragonfly ...
00:18 arsdragonfly odd
00:18 PilzAdam so, VanessaE is going to fiddle with launchpad and change it
00:18 VanessaE rename it to minetest-classic and the current one to minetest and done.
00:18 [0gb_us] We can't have that. People should be free to access the full content of the default repos.
00:18 arsdragonfly everyone times out upon joining
00:19 VanessaE arsdragonfly: you running git?
00:19 [0gb_us] Did I (0gb_us) time out?
00:19 arsdragonfly VanessaE: yes
00:19 arsdragonfly [0gb_us]: yes u did
00:20 thefamilygrog66 recursive functions will have to wait - must go play Saints Row now. bye folks!
00:20 arsdragonfly https://github.com/arsdragonfly/advanced_market
00:20 arsdragonfly bye
00:20 arsdragonfly this is the repo of my mod
00:20 [0gb_us] Hmm. I don't think I can connect to the Git version.
00:20 arsdragonfly oh w8
00:21 arsdragonfly I'm running 0.4.7 stable server actually
00:22 [0gb_us] I should be able to connect to that then ...
00:22 Shadowfire_ Man... I have looked over https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1592  to install my texture packs... but I am not getting anywhere with it... what is the deal!!!
00:22 arsdragonfly Server: peer_id=2: failed to emerge player
00:23 arsdragonfly 0gb_us times out. List of players:
00:23 arsdragonfly maybe you can install the mod and host a server...
00:23 VanessaE Shadowfire_: note the first line of the post - 0.4.8 (or git) only.
00:23 [0gb_us] My server is way too slow.
00:24 VanessaE or which version are you doing?
00:26 arsdragonfly !up 101.244.134.46 30000
00:26 MinetestBot 101.244.134.46:30000 is up (597ms)
00:26 arsdragonfly turned off my DMZ host
00:27 arsdragonfly hopefully someone can connect to it
00:27 VanessaE Shadowfire_: so, which version of mt are you using?
00:29 arsdragonfly VanessaE: can you try connecting to my server?
00:30 VanessaE sure
00:30 VanessaE deader than 4 o'clock.
00:31 VanessaE I can't even ping that IP
00:31 arsdragonfly !up 101.244.134.46 30000
00:31 MinetestBot 101.244.134.46:30000 is up (580ms)
00:31 VanessaE does not answer a telnet request on port 30000
00:31 arsdragonfly I just changed my ISP a few weeks ago...
00:32 Shadowfire_ Well.. I have tried both ways.. neither worked
00:32 Shadowfire_ vut i am rubbing  0.4.7
00:33 Shadowfire_ *but I am running 0.4.7
00:33 VanessaE 0.4.7-release?
00:33 VanessaE or a git nightly?
00:35 Shadowfire_ minetest-git 20130623.f960c3b-1
00:35 VanessaE run-in-place or installed?
00:36 Shadowfire_ compiled for Arch Linux
00:36 arsdragonfly VanessaE could you set up a temporary server with that mod on?
00:37 VanessaE Shadowfire_: but is it a run-in-place build that sits in your homedir, or did you make install it?
00:42 arsdragonfly !up 101.244.134.46 30000
00:42 MinetestBot 101.244.134.46:30000 is up (579ms)
00:42 VanessaE no good.
00:43 [0gb_us] I've got to go to class. See y'all later!
00:43 arsdragonfly see you
00:43 VanessaE ciao
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00:44 Mossmanikin Hi folks
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00:45 Mossmanikin Evergreen: check PM if you like
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00:48 VanessaE hi MM
00:48 losethegame hi
00:48 VanessaE hi losethegame
00:49 losethegame how are you?
00:49 VanessaE I'm okay
00:50 Mossmanikin Nice to read you're ok Vanessa :)
00:50 VanessaE as okay as I ever am, anyways :)
00:50 khonkhortisan I am immune to The Game
00:50 losethegame haha
00:50 * khonkhortisan blames xkcd
00:51 losethegame I was wondering ...
00:51 Mossmanikin Yeah, "okay" can mean a lot of things...
00:51 losethegame few people understand anymore
00:51 VanessaE not anymore, khonkhortisan.
00:51 VanessaE you just lost.
00:52 losethegame haha
00:52 losethegame sadly, I'm constantly losing...
00:54 arsdragonfly https://github.com/arsdragonfly/advanced_market
00:54 arsdragonfly readme added...
00:54 arsdragonfly 101.244.134.46 30000
00:54 Evergreen Mossmanikin: Responded
00:54 arsdragonfly I'm going desperate :-(
00:55 Mossmanikin Evergreen: kk, I#ll check
00:55 VanessaE arsdragonfly: still dead.
00:55 khonkhortisan http://www.losethegame.com/ Rule 2: losing is temporary http://xkcd.com/391/ statement: I've won. Hypothesis: Winning is permanent. Rule 1: always will be playing. I'm still playing a game I've already won. Conclusion: Doesn't this break something?
00:55 khonkhortisan *Conclusion: I'm still...
00:56 losethegame haha
00:57 khonkhortisan Maybe I'm just a carrier now
00:57 losethegame an admin...
00:58 Mossmanikin Evergreen: read and will fix
01:00 losethegame does anyone know of a leveling system?
01:00 Evergreen You learned github very quickly for never using it before.   :-)
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01:03 Mossmanikin thanks to the windows *.exe, don't have to use command line :D
01:03 VanessaE <offtopic> Achievement Get!  Reduce weight to what I was 10 years ago (170kg) </offtopic>
01:03 Mossmanikin GZ!
01:04 VanessaE (that's just a bit shy of 50kg lost so far)
01:06 Mossmanikin pretty impressing
01:06 Evergreen Mossmanikin:  I think we should wait until we release the mod before we make a README    Also, very impressive VanessaE
01:08 Mossmanikin Evergreen: yeah, agree on that, all we have has to generate without (too many) bugs too
01:08 Evergreen <offtopic>Here is something kind of cool, it generates ascii art fonts.   It has AOL fonts, and figlet fonts  http://patorjk.com/software/taag/ </offtopic>
01:11 Mossmanikin Pretty cool that link
01:12 arsdragonfly !up 101.244.134.46 30001
01:12 MinetestBot 101.244.134.46:30001 seems to be down
01:13 arsdragonfly !up 101.244.134.46 30001
01:13 MinetestBot 101.244.134.46:30001 is up (796ms)
01:13 arsdragonfly ^server on a phone
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01:14 VanessaE arsdragonfly: it's still not working.
01:14 Mossmanikin Maybe we should use something like that; graffiti and undergrowth, like some real wicked underground stuff :D
01:15 Evergreen Mossmanikin: You have an organized and kind of interesting coding style.    I like how you make the version number and name in variables to be printed on the terminal.    I should organize my code
01:15 Pelayo O_o
01:15 Pelayo amazing...
01:16 Evergreen What's amazing?
01:16 Pelayo minetest is not specially fast in this machine
01:16 PilzAdam do people notice that its possible to write a simple script that responses to MinetestBot's !up, shout it out in the channel and then you get people trying to log in with a password?
01:16 Mossmanikin Evergreen: thx, I like the combination of organized and chaos ;)
01:16 Pelayo but there is no speed difference between using 16x texture packs or 256x ones
01:16 Evergreen I'm gonna go ahead and re organize the code
01:17 PilzAdam you dont get the actual passwords, but you get hashes that can be bruteforced to login into other servers
01:17 Pelayo while minecraft is totally unplayable with more than 32x here
01:17 Pelayo looking forward to test a 512x one :P
01:17 PilzAdam or, actually you dont even have to bruteforce the hash
01:18 Evergreen Gotta go, see ya guys
01:31 PilzAdam bye
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02:14 eapsebastian o/
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02:16 eapsebastian hello
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02:19 rustyPipe does anyone know how fast Minetest is compared to Minecraft?
02:20 Pelayo depends on your hardware.. for me both have almost the same framerate, but minetest is more constant
02:21 Pelayo minecraft has spikes and slowdowns even with mods that improve performance
02:21 Pelayo minetest needs less memory too.. I was shocked earlier when I was testing a texture pack converter I'm making
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02:21 Pelayo with minecraft I can't even try a texture pack higher than 32x
02:21 rustyPipe well, yeah, that would be a given
02:22 rustyPipe why?
02:22 Pelayo not enough memory and video card
02:22 Mossmanikin most people say mt is faster than mc, of course it relly depends on hardware and software (os, drivers...)
02:22 rustyPipe do you run it with something like optifine?
02:22 Pelayo yep, but even with that it's impossible here
02:23 rustyPipe how much RAM do you have?
02:23 Pelayo but I tried a 256x texture pack in minetest and didn't have any difference between it and the default 16x one, it was FAST
02:23 Pelayo 1 gb
02:23 rustyPipe 1 gig of ram? why not add more?
02:23 Pelayo well.. because I have never needed more?
02:23 Pelayo :P
02:24 rustyPipe what do you do that needs only 1 gig?
02:24 Pelayo a little programming, some gaming (most games I love are old, but I beat the last Tomb Raider on this for example, or Fallout 3)
02:25 Pelayo or portal 2..
02:25 Pelayo if I can run portal 2 I don't need more
02:25 Pelayo (still waiting for the linux release -_-)
02:25 rustyPipe I'm still wondering how you're able to run those games with only 1 gig
02:25 Pelayo fallout 3 was great even with a large number of mods
02:26 Pelayo tried skyrim but that one was unplayable :/
02:26 Pelayo and of course tomb raider was at min quality and 800x600 :P
02:26 rustyPipe what distro are you running?
02:27 Pelayo linux mint 13
02:27 rustyPipe with what DE?
02:27 rustyPipe or do you just use a WM?
02:27 Pelayo Mate
02:27 rustyPipe same here, but I never use Mate, only i3
02:29 rustyPipe how well does minetest do terrain and chunk generation?
02:29 Mossmanikin quite well ;)
02:30 Pelayo I've been using minetest for a week only, so I don't know the details, I think that's the most cpu intensive task.. it's slow in my laptop but I tried setting up a server in my main box and connecting from the laptop and it's fast this way
02:30 Pelayo (it's slow in my laptop, but playable, something minecraft isn't)
02:31 Pelayo damn intel 945gm...
02:32 rustyPipe does anyone know how chunk generation is handled by mt?
02:33 VanessaE how?
02:33 kahrl hmmmm does
02:33 VanessaE depends on what you mean
02:37 Mossmanikin on my machine both mc and mt is slow... under certain circumstances... both are extremely slow when I have running both at the same time. :D
02:38 Pelayo well I can't even switch to a notepad with minecraft running...
02:38 rustyPipe I mean, how do the chunks get generated when you enter a new part of the world
02:39 Pelayo I don't know the technical details but there are several map generators, and I can say it's faster generating than minecraft, and doesn't cause slowdowns...
02:39 VanessaE they're generated in sections called mapblocks, which are 16x16x16 m cubes.  5x5x5 of those are generated at one time and we sometimes call that a chunk.
02:39 VanessaE it uses perlin noise in various ways to get the land contours and decide what goes where.
02:40 rustyPipe so mapblocks are comparable to worldchunks in mc, or am I wrong?
02:41 VanessaE sorta yeah
02:41 VanessaE but minecraft generates them in 16x256x16m columns
02:42 khonkhortisan Uninstall notepad and tell Explorer to always show file extensions.
02:42 khonkhortisan Using notepad is just a problem waiting to happen
02:43 Pelayo I said "a notepad", not Notepad, I'm using linux so in my case it would be Pluma or Leafpad :P
02:43 khonkhortisan ah.
02:43 rustyPipe do you use the default text editors that come with Mint?
02:44 Pelayo yes, pluma is a good enough fork of gedit, and don't need more than that... leafpad for quick opening text files that don't need any color codes
02:44 rustyPipe who not use vim or emacs?
02:44 rustyPipe *why
02:45 VanessaE gedit (with all its irritations) ftw :)
02:45 khonkhortisan I use vim, kate, and now codeblocks because eclipse broke
02:45 rustyPipe what plugins do you use with vim
02:46 khonkhortisan I only use the basic features of vim
02:46 khonkhortisan I use all channels tab with xchat
02:46 rustyPipe is xchat for irc?
02:46 Pelayo I know how to use vi/vim, but I save that knowledge for routers or an apocalypse where no UI can be started
02:47 khonkhortisan yes
02:47 rustyPipe why not use vim on a daily basis
02:47 rustyPipe khon, have you tried irssi
02:47 khonkhortisan I use vim when I'm editing one file, kate when I'm editing multiple files, and my ide when I need to find the definition of a function
02:47 khonkhortisan yes I have
02:47 VanessaE same reason you don't get a root canal done every day :D
02:47 khonkhortisan also tried tmux
02:48 khonkhortisan hard to get used to text-only programs
02:49 rustyPipe not really once you rice up your environment
02:50 rustyPipe looks like I need to go for about 30 mins
02:55 Mossmanikin k, folks, need some sleep, later
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03:32 AWTom Oh no... Sheldon mentioned Ubuntu as his favorite Linux-based operating system.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYwMl_1LWJs
03:33 * [0gb_us] gasps
03:33 [0gb_us] It should be Trisquel!
03:33 [0gb_us] (By the way, I have no idea who that is.)
03:39 AWTom record-breaking television comedy
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03:59 khonkhortisan I saw that one
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04:13 GNADev|zRokh !d
04:13 GNADev|zRokh !decode
04:13 GNADev|zRokh sfan5, please unquiet me from MinetestBot
04:13 GNADev|zRokh or whatever bot did !decode and !encode
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06:07 VanessaE ouch
06:07 VanessaE "The scanners are jammed, sir. One says a million degrees, the other minus five thousand."
06:08 khonkhortisan black market cpu supercooling
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06:21 thefamilygrog66 stack overflow
06:24 VanessaE um..oops? :)
06:28 khonkhortisan concatenation of undefined variables, empty ternary, extraneous closing pherentesis. ^
06:28 khonkhortisan *th
06:29 khonkhortisan parenthesis
06:39 VanessaE lol
06:43 VanessaE http://www.tubeclockdb.com/forum/Buil​ders-Forum/2956-Edgelit-Reloaded.html
06:44 VanessaE oh this is just badass
06:44 VanessaE I gotta build me a few of those ^^^
06:45 VanessaE (and this was last year)
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06:54 khonkhortisan oh those are just spots, not lights
06:54 VanessaE right
06:54 VanessaE edge-lit.  still cool as hell
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06:59 thefamilygrog66 got some recursive function action happening
07:02 jin_xi to truly understand recursion one must first understand recursion
07:05 khonkhortisan backwards recursion is where the true paradox lies
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07:27 artur99 hey, what's new on minetest?
07:27 Calinou artur99: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
07:28 artur99 what is the drowning  ?
07:30 VanessaE you lose health and eventually die, underwater
07:30 artur99 like in minecraft?
07:31 VanessaE if you stay under too long that is
07:31 khonkhortisan after losing air
07:31 VanessaE idk, maybe
07:31 VanessaE never played minecraft.
07:31 artur99 oh, that's nice :D
07:39 [0gb_us] VanessaE, you're not missing anything good.
07:39 VanessaE heh
07:40 VanessaE ok, I must really be bored, now I'm watching youtube videos of music-making tesla coils.  heh
07:40 [0gb_us] Ha ha, nice.
07:41 [0gb_us] SO drowning is defined per-node, right? So if I fail to define any nodes with suffocating properties, drowning will not exist?
07:41 [0gb_us] *So
07:41 VanessaE no idea
07:42 [0gb_us] Meh. I'll just test it when drowning hits the PPA.
07:42 VanessaE it's already there
07:42 VanessaE been in git for a while now, so it should be in the ppa if you're running nightlies.
07:42 [0gb_us] I didn't realize there was an unstable PPA.
07:43 [0gb_us] I guess I should rephrase then: when it hits the stable PPA. Or I could install from the unstable PPA on my other system ...
07:43 [0gb_us] Anyway, I've got to get to bed. G'night!
07:45 VanessaE night
07:45 artur99 day! here's 10 am
07:45 artur99 :D
07:46 VanessaE 03:45 here
07:46 artur99 am?
07:46 VanessaE :46..
07:46 artur99 night?
07:46 [0gb_us] It's 0:47 here.
07:46 VanessaE yeah
07:46 Calinou night [0gb_us]
07:46 Calinou 9:46 here
07:46 artur99 i must go, bye!
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08:28 khonkhortisan 1:28 here
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09:15 kaeza http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20130907.png
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09:32 john_minetest Hello everypony
09:32 john_minetest Last hexchat update broke my client, now online with irssi for win
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10:12 rubenwardy Hi all
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10:44 john_minetest Hello everypony (again)
10:45 john_minetest Since irssi isn't working good for me I booted linux with weechat
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11:05 rubenwardy Hi BlockMen!
11:06 BlockMen hello
11:07 BlockMen rubenwardy, btw...i noticed something -> https://github.com/rubenwardy/food​/blob/ActualVersion2/init.lua#L65
11:07 BlockMen it must be amt, not hunger_change
11:07 rubenwardy ah yeah
11:07 BlockMen and thanks for adding support ;)
11:08 rubenwardy Cant believe I missed it
11:08 rubenwardy Added support for other mods is what makes the food mod special from other food mods.
11:08 rubenwardy *adding
11:08 rubenwardy That and crap graphics
11:09 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/food/commit​/8c4807fe74f465eece951496edb67ad56cc1a6ac
11:10 BlockMen issues like that are the common^^
11:11 BlockMen my favorite is a missing letter
11:11 rubenwardy yeah
11:11 rubenwardy or too many like: "mminetest.register..."
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11:13 sfan5 mminnettesst?
11:13 * sfan5 pokes PilzAdam
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11:13 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:13 Hunterz hi
11:13 sfan5 hi
11:14 * PilzAdam pokes sfan5 with a ?
11:14 sfan5 stick
11:14 sfan5 a stick
11:14 Hunterz please have minetest something like anti grief plugins, and admin tools ?
11:14 sfan5 s/plugins/mods/
11:14 sfan5 yes, sure
11:14 rubenwardy search mod forum
11:15 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1144
11:15 sfan5 WorldEdit is helpful for doing things
11:15 Hunterz i know bukkit servers
11:15 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2359
11:15 rubenwardy qwerty
11:16 Hunterz mods are in lua?
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11:19 rubenwardy yes
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11:29 GNADev|zRokh hi
11:30 GNADev|zRokh khh.....john_minetest, do you copy?...khh...
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11:33 GNADev|zRokh khh...VanessaE, do you copy...khh...
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12:10 paramat Hi PilzAdam, everyone. Reading IRC logs i saw celeron55 mentioning larger trees for Minetest game. I am suggesting my slabrealm mod jungletrees be the new jungletree. I feel the boxy design is true to Minetest character, they are tall but contain only a few more nodes than an appltree, the double layer of leaves creates interlaced platforms that enable walking and jumping through the canopy http://i.imgur.com/Ar6ecZ8.png
12:11 sfan5 these jungletrees are nice
12:12 PilzAdam http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/me​dia_entries/346/Pilztest_textures_3.png
12:12 PilzAdam what about these jungletrees?
12:13 PilzAdam these have 3 layers of leaves, one of them is at the ground to get a jungle-ish feeling
12:14 paramat Ooh those are nice, pilztest i presume.
12:14 PilzAdam dunno how that would work with junglegrass, there need to be either less leaves at the ground or junglegrass on the leaves
12:14 PilzAdam yea, thats pilztest
12:14 * sfan5 votes for less leaves on the ground and higher trees
12:17 paramat Almost solid leaves enables digging a tunnel and stairway to the treetops at any point, i did that in my fork of conifers mod its a lot of fun.
12:18 paramat My tree design is ultra minimal because it's part of a lua mapgen (pre luvmanips), perhaps too minimal for core trees ...
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12:52 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=111215#p111215
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12:56 sfan5 wat
12:56 PilzAdam sfan5, https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=110437#p110437
12:57 sfan5 yes saw that
12:57 sfan5 but still
12:57 sfan5 why?
12:57 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=111216#p111216
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13:20 arsdragonfly I'm running into certification errors when trying to access the forum
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13:30 sfan5 arsdragonfly: update your browser
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13:42 PilzAdam ShadowBot, maske999 is aimpotting on your server
13:42 PilzAdam * ShadowNinja
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13:54 thexyz do we tolerate this? https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=111205#p111205
13:58 sfan5 I don't know
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14:50 GNADev|zRokh hi
14:50 GNADev|zRokh could someone please help me change the C++ code so that the map isnt big
14:50 GNADev|zRokh maybe 100x100x100 blocks
14:50 GNADev|zRokh i just want a place where i can test my mods
14:55 arsdragonfly Use singlenode mapgen + worldedit mod
14:55 GNADev|zRokh and i also dont want to backup the map before
14:55 GNADev|zRokh :)
14:58 kaeza jusr make a throwaway map
14:58 GNADev|zRokh define plz?
14:58 kaeza the map isn't generated beyond what you explore anyway
14:59 GNADev|zRokh well it still lags :/
15:00 kaeza well, your comp really sucks then
15:00 GNADev|zRokh i know...
15:00 GNADev|zRokh :D
15:00 kaeza or you are doing something wrong in code
15:00 GNADev|zRokh well.....
15:00 GNADev|zRokh could i get a name for a VERY tiny texturepack?
15:01 GNADev|zRokh like 6x6 or better yet, 1x1 :D
15:01 kaeza :|
15:02 Pelayo 1x1 is not a texture pack, but a color pack
15:02 GNADev|zRokh ok, can i get one?
15:02 GNADev|zRokh :)
15:02 arsdragonfly A palette maybe
15:02 kaeza just backup your minetest_game and do "find minetest_game/ -name '*.png' -exec rm '{}' ';'" :P
15:03 kaeza there you have your 1px pack :P
15:04 arsdragonfly kaeza you made me remember that the engine creates dummy textures for missing textures
15:04 GNADev|zRokh thanks
15:05 kaeza GNADev|zRokh, what hardware BTW?
15:05 kaeza inb4 80486 :P
15:07 GNADev|zRokh wait...
15:07 GNADev|zRokh if i would delete ALL textures then the engine would create dummies?
15:07 GNADev|zRokh GENIUS :D
15:08 GNADev|zRokh thanks dood :D
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15:09 * Jordach pokes back
15:09 * Jordach finally got a phone
15:09 kaeza \o/
15:10 Jordach It's a SAMSUNG.
15:10 kaeza :I
15:10 * kaeza is still stuck with his Nokia Asha 308
15:11 svuorela ITYM Microsoft Asha
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15:16 Jordach kaeza, mines like a blackberry
15:16 Jordach full qwerty keyboard
15:16 * GNADev|zRokh is compiling Minetest
15:16 GNADev|zRokh hey, what does json do?
15:16 GNADev|zRokh what is it used for?
15:17 kaeza some obscure stuff
15:17 kaeza master server info AFAIK
15:17 GNADev|zRokh oh ok
15:17 GNADev|zRokh hey, i have a question, does anybody play Quake?
15:17 GNADev|zRokh the first one
15:18 GNADev|zRokh with DosBox (or something familiar)
15:18 GNADev|zRokh because im bored... i wanna play with real people
15:18 kaeza GNADev|zRokh, check out DarkPlaces
15:18 GNADev|zRokh ok, thanks :D
15:19 GNADev|zRokh wait...
15:19 GNADev|zRokh Quake I HD?
15:19 GNADev|zRokh WTF!
15:19 GNADev|zRokh :O
15:20 GNADev|zRokh wait...
15:20 * GNADev|zRokh does some Sherlock Holmes shit
15:21 GNADev|zRokh im guessing that kaeza knows about DarkPlaces because he (used to) play(s) Quake I...
15:21 GNADev|zRokh am i right?
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15:22 kaeza GNADev|zRokh, I'm more of HL/CS, but yes
15:22 GNADev|zRokh :O
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15:22 GNADev|zRokh i cant play cs...
15:22 GNADev|zRokh i cant seem to get Wine working with it :?
15:22 GNADev|zRokh :/
15:22 kaeza (fun fact: you can load HL maps into darkplaces)
15:22 GNADev|zRokh always there is some error...
15:22 GNADev|zRokh :O
15:23 GNADev|zRokh i know why
15:23 kaeza it's (almost) the same engine!
15:23 GNADev|zRokh because the goldsrc (Gold Source) engine is a VERY modified version of the Quake engine
15:23 GNADev|zRokh :/
15:23 GNADev|zRokh and HL uses Gold Source
15:23 GNADev|zRokh :)
15:23 kaeza yep
15:23 * GNADev|zRokh is a genius at this sort of things
15:24 * kaeza is an HL/CS Mapper
15:24 GNADev|zRokh hey, btw, could you help me install DarkPlaces?
15:24 kaeza no?
15:24 kaeza just download and run
15:25 GNADev|zRokh :O
15:25 GNADev|zRokh RLLY?
15:25 GNADev|zRokh nice :D
15:25 GNADev|zRokh Valve Hammer doesnt work on my computer at all :D
15:25 GNADev|zRokh or any other computers i've owned
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15:25 GNADev|zRokh oh
15:25 GNADev|zRokh lol :D
15:25 GNADev|zRokh i love Pidgin
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15:28 PilzAdam brb
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15:52 Jordach sfan5, PilzAdam: OpenSpades on ShadowNinja's server
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15:58 * Jordach wonders something strange
15:58 Jordach at my college, their chrome has a google search bar (like on https://google.com) but my version right now doesnt have it
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16:20 NekoGloop Jordach, it's a new update
16:20 NekoGloop maybe you've turned off chrome's autoupdate
16:21 Calinou you can turn it off? O_o
16:22 NekoGloop I'm pretty sure
16:23 NekoGloop Hm... I thought you could...
16:24 NekoGloop Ok maybe you turned it off the same way I turned off windows updater: by deleting the relative files
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16:41 rubenwardy Hi all
16:42 [0gb_us] Hello!
16:51 Jordach wat
16:51 Jordach > https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=111229#p111229
16:53 [0gb_us] Jordach, he's bad with computers. I don't see your point.
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16:56 Jordach > Linux
16:56 Jordach > Good with computers
16:59 [0gb_us] Windows is what you need luck with. GNU/Linux just works.
17:01 Jordach \o/ https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/3742497/117​3975/133db760-2141-11e3-9fc1-4bf9247c8961.png
17:02 [0gb_us] Is that supposed to be from inside one of those fighting robots?
17:02 Jordach BlockMen, nice Master Chief HUD
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17:04 BlockMen Jordach, thx
17:06 Jordach is that for your lovely wasteland?
17:06 Jordach </irony?
17:06 Jordach >*
17:08 BlockMen hmm...maybe. dont know yet
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17:24 BlockMen btw wasteland, can you move to games? -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7243
17:27 sfan5 BlockMen: moved
17:28 sfan5 also how did you know I was thinking about making a wasteland mod?
17:28 Jordach BlockMen = PilzAdam = sfan5
17:28 sfan5 (apparently everyone seems to read my toughts and make them as a mod)
17:28 [0gb_us] I KNEW IT!
17:28 Jordach yes Inocudom, sit down
17:28 BlockMen sfan5, thx. and i can read minds :P
17:28 sfan5 :P
17:28 [0gb_us] Okay, I'll get back to my homework.
17:29 sfan5 time to install mac os x
17:29 sfan5 wait
17:29 [0gb_us] NoooOOOOoooo!!! Install Trisquel!
17:29 sfan5 I have to make a partition on my hdd  first
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17:29 sfan5 I already have Linux and Windumb installed
17:29 BlockMen Jordach, yes. every german is the same person. 80 mio. times :D
17:29 sfan5 so...
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17:30 kaeza nah BlockMen doesn't fit sfan5's persona
17:31 kaeza OTOH PilzAdam...
17:31 kaeza :P
17:31 [0gb_us] He's acting.
17:31 * sfan5 is bad atacting
17:31 sfan5 wat
17:31 sfan5 acting*
17:31 kaeza attacking!
17:31 sfan5 heh
17:31 sfan5 plol
17:32 [0gb_us] Like when I act as Inocudom
17:32 sfan5 more like attackting!
17:32 [0gb_us] .
17:32 * BlockMen is transforming, not acting :P
17:32 [0gb_us] "Is" or "are".
17:32 jin_xi you are what you is
17:32 Jordach okay, wtd
17:32 [0gb_us] "BlockMen" is plural/
17:32 [0gb_us] .
17:32 sfan5 s/Block[a-Z0-9]+/BlockTransformer/
17:32 Jordach wtf, when did i do THAT!?
17:33 sfan5 cmon resize2fs...
17:33 sfan5 do it faster
17:33 Jordach i found an old file lying around on D:/Desktop_of_XPHOME/Clean Up
17:34 sfan5 post it! post it! postit!
17:34 Jordach strangely; i managed to make a 1:1 copy of lavender town from the GB
17:34 sfan5 post it on a postit!
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17:40 Jordach im down to my final ~3GB on my media partiton
17:40 Jordach it's taken me two years to fill it
17:41 [0gb_us] My drive is too small, clocking in at about 80 GiB. It fills all the time and I have to empty it.
17:41 Jordach sfan5, http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jorda​ch/m/lavender-town-1-1-clone/
17:44 Jordach HOLY SHITBALLS
17:44 Jordach just found my camping trip on my drive
17:44 [0gb_us] A trip on a drive? That makes no sense.
17:45 Jordach [0gb_us], i found the photos
17:45 [0gb_us] Oh, okay.
17:47 Jordach the rest of my class probably deleted them or lost them; luckily i'm a fucking archive
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18:06 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Add option to scale image to percentage values 27947d85f7 2013-09-20T11:03:58-07:00 http://git.io/XbJr5A
18:06 * Jordach added 3.78gb of music to his Samsung phone, now waits for the music player to catch up
18:09 Jordach my phone IS WAY better at playback than my 3DS
18:09 * Jordach actually gets bass
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18:11 Jordach but it's got that same back cover as te SGS2
18:14 Jordach \o/ it actually doesnt go 1,10,11,12,13 etc
18:18 Pelayo wow
18:18 Pelayo ios7 has a known exploit already
18:19 Jordach theres always an exploit
18:19 Pelayo but not as simple as this one
18:19 Pelayo :P
18:19 Pelayo http://apple.slashdot.org/story/13/09/​20/1249243/ios-7-lock-screen-bug-leave​s-certain-apps-vulnerable-for-access
18:20 Pelayo you don't even need to crack the fingerprint system
18:20 Jordach oh jesus: friendster is supported by my phone :(
18:20 Jordach >myspace
18:20 Pelayo I only have low end phones so I'm used to not having support..
18:21 Jordach Pelayo, mine too
18:21 Jordach most low end Samsungs are high end dumbphones
18:21 Jordach (like blackberries)
18:21 Pelayo well, galaxy mini is a good piece of hardware... limited, but hard as a brick
18:22 Jordach and a removable battery
18:22 Pelayo it's one of the most solid non-nokia phones I had
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19:35 Jordach hey Calinou
19:35 Calinou hi
19:45 BlockMen Calinou, could you maybe add a link to the official wiki on wiki.minetest.com? it still seems to be not clear for users -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7254
19:46 BlockMen maybe a box like here? -> http://wiki.minetest.com/wik​i/User:BlockMen/ReworkedMain
19:57 Pelayo ugh, rebuilding the minecraft chest texture into a block texture is tedious...
19:57 [0gb_us] Why is that, Pelayo?
19:58 Pelayo minecraft uses one png for all sides of the chest, and the "lock" is a separate texture in that png
19:59 [0gb_us] I see. That does seem bothersome to convert.
20:01 Pelayo finally did that this way..
20:01 Pelayo convert "$TEMPDIR/assets/minecraft/tex​tures/entity/chest/normal.png" -crop 14x5+14+14 "$OUTPUTDIR/chest-temp-cover.png" && convert "$TEMPDIR/assets/minecraft/tex​tures/entity/chest/normal.png" -crop 14x10+14+33 "$OUTPUTDIR/chest-temp-chest.png" && convert "$TEMPDIR/assets/minecraft/tex​tures/entity/chest/normal.png" -crop 2x4+1+1 "$OUTPUTDIR/chest-temp-lock.png"  && convert -append "$OUTPUTDIR/chest-temp-cover.png" "$OUTPUTDIR/che
20:01 Pelayo st-temp-chest.png" "$OUTPUTDIR/chest-temp-almostfinal.png" && convert "$OUTPUTDIR/chest-temp-almostfinal.png" "$OUTPUTDIR/chest-temp-lock.png" -geometry 2x4+6+3 -composite "$OUTPUTDIR/default_chest_front.png"
20:02 Pelayo ugh
20:02 Pelayo so long
20:05 Pelayo the distribution from chest/normal.png is like this https://mojang.atlassian.net/se​cure/attachment/26469/chest.png
20:06 Pelayo and it took me about 1 hour with imagemagick -_- I should learn more
20:08 Pelayo at least now I know how to overlay bitmaps with imagemagick
20:11 Jordach Pelayo, i already have images like these goddammit
20:12 Pelayo mm?
20:12 Jordach in fact quite a bit of it is complete, want it
20:12 Jordach (default is done, and various other mods)
20:12 Pelayo no, what I'm doing is a converter script for minecraft resource packs to minetest texture packs
20:12 Pelayo I don't need the images themselves
20:13 Pelayo I'm using minecraft jar as source.. right now it works mostly fine for texture packs up to 64x
20:13 ShadowNinja Pelayo: I have one written in python.
20:14 Pelayo I'm doing this one in bash
20:14 ShadowNinja It requires a unpacked texture pack however, and it converts a 512x pack in miniseconds.
20:15 Pelayo wow, mine needs about 5 seconds
20:15 ShadowNinja (Or seconds maybe, I haven't used it in a while)
20:15 Pelayo but it includes unpacking to a temp directory
20:15 Pelayo haven't tested with anything over 128x because of low disk space
20:15 ShadowNinja Python will definitely be faster than shell.
20:16 ShadowNinja Unless you do the whole conversion with one or two huge commands...
20:17 Pelayo yep, but that requires installing "things".. I usually do things like this in bash because then is more or less easy to "port" it to windows batch files and include all required soft (imagemagick's convert.exe, grep.exe, etc)
20:17 Pelayo my biggest problem is the grass texture
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20:18 Pelayo I don't know the right method to apply the biome color to it
20:18 Pelayo I think I'm getting the exact pixel from the gradient png but the color isn't always perfect
20:20 Pelayo I think the best thing will be not touching that an warning grass, leaves will need manual editing
20:20 e1z0 heya
20:20 Pelayo hi
20:21 e1z0 sup
20:23 Pelayo mm right now my parameters for grass work almost fine for the default minecraft textures, but fail with others
20:23 Pelayo http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/6938/nnrf.png
20:24 Pelayo (still have to fix torches rotation)
20:24 ShadowNinja Pelayo: Hunger?
20:24 Pelayo yep, hud mod
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20:26 ShadowNinja What happens to breath?
20:27 Pelayo works fine too, the only textures that aren't converted yet from the hud are the armor ones
20:31 Pelayo http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4418/fi8h.png
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20:33 johnDC hello, can anybody tell me, why I have a red-colored world (in my local win32 build)?
20:33 ShadowNinja johnDC: Disable shaders.
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20:34 johnDC ShadowNinja: thank you :)
20:34 ShadowNinja You're welcome. :-)
20:35 ShadowNinja Hmmm, we should have a FAQ page...
20:37 kaeza ShadowNinja, there is one
20:37 kaeza (Sticky in GD)
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20:40 ShadowNinja kaeza: I meant on the website, not the forum.
20:41 ShadowNinja kaeza: I see no FAQ page in General Discussion.
20:41 kaeza well, at least you have a starting point :)
20:42 kaeza huh
20:43 kaeza ah bugs & problems: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3829
20:47 Jordach Pelayo, what are you exactly doing?
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20:49 john_minetest Bah... Hexchat update broke EVERYTHING.
20:49 Pelayo a minecraft resource pack -> minetest texture pack converter
20:50 Pelayo 95% of it is just copying and renaming, but some textures are tricky, like hud or grass (because of the damn biomes)
20:52 Jordach Pelayo, GIMP Colourise: Hue = 105, Saturation = 40, Lightness = -10
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20:53 Pelayo taking the reference color from the texture pack's biome gradient?
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20:54 Jordach Pelayo, personal preference: http://i.imgur.com/ja9Ue3z.png
20:55 Jordach but keep it close to that area: too dark and the grass looks oily, too light and the grass looks dried
20:55 Pelayo I want to do it automatically, taking the reference from the texture pack itself but I'm not entirely sure about how minecraft applies the biome color, right now applying the color without any other settings it's really bright, so I reduce the gamma to 20%
20:55 Jordach too green means it's more of a jungle
20:56 Pelayo this is how I'm doing it: convert "$TEMPDIR/assets/minecraft/te​xtures/blocks/grass_top.png" \( +clone +matte -fill $grasscolor -colorize 100% +clone +swap -compose overlay -composite \)  -compose SrcIn -composite -gamma 0.4 "$OUTPUTDIR/default_grass.png"
20:56 Pelayo $grasscolor is taken from /assets/minecraft/textures/colormap/grass.png, coords 128x128
20:57 Pelayo and it works great for mc's default textures, but other texture packs look too dark
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20:59 Pelayo nah, I think I will force a default color like the one you said, and include the original file for doing it manually if it doesn't fit with that texture pack
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21:05 * Jordach is being trolled by the torrent's ETA
21:05 Jordach 4w,0d
21:05 Jordach 5w,6d; new record
21:06 Jordach it's like windows time remaining guy coded that...
21:10 ShadowNinja LOL
21:11 ShadowNinja http://xkcd.com/612/
21:11 Jordach 6w,6d apparently
21:12 Jordach 7w,2d
21:12 Jordach 10w,3d
21:12 Jordach oh ffs
21:13 john_minetest oh yeah, I know that dialog.
21:13 Pelayo well they did it right in win8...
21:13 Pelayo but too little, too late
21:13 ShadowNinja Jordach: You haven't closed it yet?
21:15 john_minetest Lol: http://xkcd.com/614/
21:16 Jordach ShadowNinja, http://i.imgur.com/nIfXTuQ.png
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21:16 ShadowNinja plol
21:19 * john_minetest is discussing GUI and CLI on an other channel.
21:21 Jordach im a patient ol' fuck
21:22 e1z0 yo guys
21:22 e1z0 wanna real speed ?
21:22 e1z0 i show it to you
21:24 e1z0 http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn​2/1208786_10200542638837568_249710907_n.jpg
21:25 e1z0 yeah, i have four 100mbps optic lines
21:25 e1z0 in the europe
21:25 e1z0 :-)
21:25 e1z0 they cost to me like washing car
21:26 e1z0 once in the month
21:27 john_minetest The picture shows the CPU frequency.
21:28 john_minetest Also it is gentoo which is cool.
21:29 * john_minetest throws a kitty biscuit at NekoGloop
21:31 john_minetest [Task of the day accomplished]
21:32 johnDC Any idea how to limit world size? e.g. when generating map, say, I need world only 10 x 10 chunks big.
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21:38 john_minetest johnDC: You could simply make a singlenode world and use worldedit to make that area if you don't need terrain generation.
21:40 johnDC john_minetest: actually I want to generate terrain, it the same way like nove, when creating new world, just with one param - world size
21:40 johnDC john_minetest: currently I'm looking into mapgenv7 sources to find how to do it
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21:56 Pelayo hahahaha
21:56 Pelayo Ballmer calls Google a 'monopoly' that authorities should control
21:58 proller #define MAP_GENERATION_LIMIT 10
21:59 Pelayo mmm I like Steam's detailed changelogs
21:59 Pelayo We have just updated the beta, with the following changes:
21:59 Pelayo - added support for upcoming features
21:59 Pelayo and that's all
22:06 john_minetest Pelayo: Ballmer is right. Authorities should control every large company that produces hardware and operating systems.
22:07 Pelayo yep, it's funny (well, it isn't really) seeing how apple and google are free to do the same things MS would get people with pitchforks and torches coming to them
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22:17 john_minetest Well, I think that one day that google thing will fall apart.
22:18 john_minetest Windows will go down some day I think but not that much. And apple... I think there will always be hipsters.
22:19 john_minetest bye
22:19 Pelayo bye
22:19 VanessaE hi all
22:19 Pelayo hi
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22:49 Jordach hey VanessaE
22:50 VanessaE hey
22:51 Jordach ill be here over the weekend
22:51 Jordach oh, you might wanna check my profile ;)
22:52 VanessaE what about it?
22:52 * Jordach slaps VLC stickers all over thexyz's computers
22:52 * harrison gulps Potion of Durability
22:52 Jordach VanessaE, new image
22:52 VanessaE oh heh
22:52 ShadowNinja Hows this? http://minetest.net/faq
22:52 Jordach VanessaE, troll torrent: http://i.imgur.com/nIfXTuQ.png
22:53 VanessaE haha
22:54 VanessaE haven't even been on the forums yet this afternoon
22:54 VanessaE (evening)
22:55 Jordach ShadowNinja, http://i.imgur.com/sjFvIrF.png
22:55 Jordach moreover
22:56 Jordach c55.me has a copy somewhere, ill dig it up
22:59 Jordach good news; got a copy of the installer
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23:02 Jordach ShadowNinja, fixed download link and updated instruction
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23:05 Jordach muahahahahahaha
23:05 * harrison gulps another Potion of Durability
23:11 ungali :d3
23:12 * ungali typed into the wrong term. disregard that
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23:25 Jordach fucking VLC bug
23:25 Jordach i cant convert file a to file b if they're in the same FOLDER. but if i do the same and have the output to my desktop, it works
23:27 ungali just use ffmpeg?
23:28 PilzAdam I think hes on win
23:29 ungali I use ffmpeg+winff on XP
23:29 Pelayo there are ffmpeg and mencoder for win
23:29 ShadowNinja What is the name of the navigagton bar page?
23:30 arsdragonfly https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7253
23:30 PilzAdam Pelayo, but everything sucks on windows
23:30 arsdragonfly Check this out
23:30 Jordach PilzAdam, BlockMen doesnt suck
23:31 PilzAdam does he run on win?
23:31 ungali *ahem* windows+cygwin doesn't suck. I'm using it right now
23:32 Jordach VanessaE, i think you got what i was meaning for my next render
23:32 VanessaE yup.
23:32 Pelayo the cygwin installer sucks more than any other thing ever done for windows :/
23:32 VanessaE it was just a ...ahem...small step to figure it out :)
23:34 ungali Pelayo: agreed. they need a cli package manager more than anything
23:35 Pelayo an apt or emerge clone would be great
23:35 ungali http://code.google.com/p/cyg-apt/
23:36 ungali just googled this
23:36 Pelayo oh, nice
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23:48 Jordach dammit VanessaE
23:50 VanessaE what?
23:51 Jordach stop giving my shit awau
23:51 Jordach away*
23:51 * away accepts all shit
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