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00:07 Peacock sweeeeeet: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/09/1​8/1836259/brazil-announces-plans-to-mo​ve-away-from-us-centric-internet?utm_s​ource=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter
00:07 Peacock whatever gets em off my server lol
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00:11 kaeza Peacock, lol
00:14 Peacock that's one country i wouldn't miss lol
00:20 kaeza I agree with Vilma Rousett's measures though :P
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00:20 kaeza (not that it's going to help anyway :P)
00:21 Exio4 that means less latency to people here though
00:21 Exio4 i guess argentina and other countries will take those wires, too
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00:24 Peacock why wouldn't it help?
00:24 kaeza I mean help with the privacy issues
00:24 Exio4 Peacock: the data will end in the US anyway
00:25 Exio4 with 50ms more of latency though
00:25 Peacock from what i understand they go as far as tapping the cables in the atlantic, so yeah
00:25 Peacock an isolated network won't do jack
00:29 Peacock still, would be nice to have geolocation in lua to throw these douches out of my server lol
00:30 kaeza Peacock, you can do that in a hacky way :P
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00:31 Peacock with luasocket and geoip websites?
00:31 kaeza yep
00:31 Exio4 isn't there a curl api
00:31 kaeza or just plain match a range of addresses against get_player_ip()
00:32 Exio4 that would be insane
00:32 kaeza err... the other way around
00:32 Peacock i already have a 200 entry long ip range block script just for BR, and it doesn't get all of them lol
00:32 Exio4 you need a proper geoip database and doing that work in lua would be painfully slow
00:32 kaeza well, if they use a proxy it's useless anyway :P
00:32 Exio4 make a C library for that and use the FFI to use it
00:33 Exio4 as an optional dependency
00:33 Peacock ive thought about using the websites, but thats probably not how they intended their websites to be used
00:33 Exio4 Peacock: http://geolite.maxmind.com/download​/geoip/database/GeoIPCountryCSV.zip
00:34 Peacock that c or lua?
00:34 Exio4 it is a CSV with data
00:35 * Exio4 took that link from the script country.py
00:35 Peacock wouldn't it be awesome if MT just told the location of servers and players lol
00:35 Peacock heck even wolfenstein does that and its over a decade old lol
00:36 kaeza Peacock, just parse the CSV data :P
00:36 kaeza (and make a mod)
00:36 Peacock yeah but lua would be hella slow
00:36 kaeza querying an online DB is overkill for this
00:36 Exio4 as i said
00:36 Exio4 i would make a C library and use it from lua
00:38 kaeza ^ probably fastest
00:38 Exio4 it could even have things like memoization to be even faster
00:39 arsdragonfly What's the point of getting geolocations?
00:39 Exio4 Peacock is a neonazi
00:39 Exio4 that is a valid point, i guess
00:39 Peacock lol
00:40 Peacock yes, because arriving at the conclusion that 99.9% of players from a given country is going to grief and lag your server is a nazi pov
00:40 Peacock id argue its the opposite - nationalist players only respect their own servers while griefing those of foreigners (to them)
00:40 Exio4 that is the neo part
00:41 Peacock so neo = opposite?
00:41 Exio4 no
00:41 Exio4 but it means you can do whatever you want and still say you are a nazi
00:41 Exio4 because neo = new so why not
00:41 Exio4 anyway
00:41 Peacock its surely no coincidence BR players are banned from quite a few online games for the same reasons
00:41 Exio4 Peacock: do you have interact by default?
00:42 Peacock yeah because i expect people to be decent, most are
00:42 Exio4 what if you just, instead of banning, make BR people to don't have interact? :P
00:42 Exio4 by default
00:43 Exio4 so if some real user goes to the server he could actually be l33t and ask for privs
00:43 arsdragonfly Admin: Hey dude stop griefing BR: dduhfnf/?%...(portuguese)
00:44 Peacock i do already block most BR adresses
00:44 Peacock heck on league of legends, they have a south america server and they still come on the north america server to fuck things up
00:45 kaeza huehuehue
00:45 kaeza lol lol
00:45 Peacock lol
00:45 Exio4 ew
00:46 arsdragonfly Dunno how you knew they are BR
00:46 Peacock seriously, if theyre only interested in building on BR servers, they should stick to BR servers lol
00:46 Exio4 not all the people from the south is bad
00:46 Peacock because i check every IP now
00:46 Exio4 ;-;
00:46 Peacock i didn't say south, just brazil
00:46 Exio4 racist
00:46 Peacock i have family in Peru and Mexico, and the cultures not at all the same
00:47 Exio4 argentina ftw \o/
00:47 Peacock lol so nationality is now a race?
00:47 Exio4 yes
00:47 arsdragonfly You checked every ip in LOL?
00:47 Exio4 because you don't like black people
00:47 Exio4 (i just want to say BS til i leave \o/)
00:48 Peacock i check every IP that comes onto my server
00:48 Exio4 you should make a library for parsing that then
00:48 Peacock though its funny that BR players also cry the race card on LoL forums
00:50 Peacock though that shtick is getting old in Can & US
00:50 arsdragonfly I remember the time when my little brother first played minecraft, and all he did looked like griefing :P
00:50 Exio4 lol
00:50 Peacock griefers can be any age, newbies like people bored with the game
00:50 arsdragonfly Which makes me doubt if all men are born evil :P
00:51 Exio4 my stuff still looks like griefing
00:51 Exio4 i have in minecraft a whole island covered with clay and was wool covered before
00:51 Peacock well unless you put torches all over the place... lol
00:51 Exio4 well
00:51 Exio4 i'm leaving
00:51 Peacock i dont get why people play a building game if they have nothing to build
00:52 * Exio4 will be away for 9~10 days
00:52 Exio4 Peacock: minecraft's survival
00:52 Peacock or is it because they suck so badly they have to try to destroy everything others build
00:52 kaeza ^
00:52 arsdragonfly It has something to do with psycology
00:52 [0gb_us] Peacock, I play to mine. I hoard ore for fun, but I don't have any building skill.
00:52 Exio4 ew, i'm not a griefer and i don't like to build nor i can build more than a dirt & stone 2x2 house
00:53 kaeza Peacock, it's not griefing, it's "modern voxel art"
00:53 kaeza :P
00:53 Exio4 lol
00:53 Exio4 https://xkcd.com/481/
00:53 * Exio4 goes away
00:54 Peacock well, if people suck so badly at building that it frustrates them to the point of wanting to destroy other's work, they should play an FPS or a driving game, or try the calculator lol
00:54 arsdragonfly Bye
00:54 * [0gb_us] can't visit URIs right now, but is sure he's seen that one
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00:55 kaeza Exio4, lol
00:56 Exio4 Peacock: i repeat, i can't even build a road that looks nice
00:56 Exio4 and i'm not a griefer
00:56 Exio4 yet i like "survival" games
00:56 Exio4 anyway, bbl
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00:57 Peacock thats fine lol my beef is with people who literally destroy shit or lay a shitton of random nodes all over the place
00:58 Peacock when it gets to the point where you have to let each user protect their own house, its no fun to run a public server
01:04 Peacock in any case, i removed all the players pants', they have to earn them now XD
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01:07 Peacock http://s8.postimg.org/ownuzp​dyt/screenshot_868279604.png
01:08 khonkhortisan looks silly with a belt on
01:08 Peacock the belt buckle was too cool :P
01:08 kaeza Peacock, give them a pony skin :3
01:09 khonkhortisan I added a plugin that lets me see all the channels as one channel, and I'm trying to find a way to talk on one of them from there
01:10 khonkhortisan you put the apostrophe on the wrong word
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01:21 Peacock what about the apostrophe? lol
01:23 Peacock (sorry., was busy defending against facsimiles)
01:24 khonkhortisan you removed the pants' players
01:24 khonkhortisan that apostrophe is a plural ownership
01:25 Peacock meh, im not native english, and judging from the internets, most native english speakers cant get it right either :P
01:26 Peacock if anything, french is 10x more the pain in the ass with male and female versions for every noun lol
01:26 [0gb_us] The pants own the players. This is a fact, Peacock. I don't see the issue.
01:30 khonkhortisan We only really have he/she we can't split
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01:36 Pelayo the biggest problem I see in english are regular verbs, or the lack of them
01:36 Pelayo irregularity seems to be the norm
01:39 [0gb_us] It's dumb to have any male/female-specific words. it only serves to make it difficult when you don't know the sex.
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01:44 PilzAdam bye
01:46 Pelayo wrong: it actually makes it easier to know the sex because the word specifies it always
01:47 jojoa1997 say is the cactus node just supposed to be only diggable with an axe
01:48 Peacock pelayo the sex-specific words im talking about aren't referencing people, they're things
01:48 khonkhortisan I would consider a cactus in a tree group
01:48 khonkhortisan *to be in
01:48 Peacock day in french is female, "une journee" not "un journe"
01:48 Peacock french "le/la" = english "the"
01:48 Pelayo in spanish it's male, un dia
01:49 khonkhortisan A Spanish day and a French day walk into a bar...
01:49 Pelayo there is also jornada, from the same root as journee, and that's female, la jornada
01:49 Peacock around grade 7 i switched to english schools since i was failing french miserably (though getting 99/100% in maths, they didn't wanna see me go lol)
01:50 Peacock my father's been bugging me to learn spanish lol
01:50 Peacock ive always wanted to learn german first
01:50 Pelayo german looks too hard for me
01:51 Peacock (i used to work in translations, one of many jobs)
01:51 Peacock well german like spanish is latin derived, still easier than say, mandarin (one example)
01:51 Peacock though if you wanna learn a language purely for business reasons, then go with mandarin
01:52 Peacock they'll be the biggest middle class this century
01:52 Pelayo learning for business can be problematic
01:52 Pelayo china might be the biggest economic power for a century.. or for less than a decade
01:52 Peacock whatever gives people an edge
01:53 Pelayo economy is based on lots of silly things that can fail at any time
01:53 Peacock you could learn swahili, but theres not much business going that way, so it wouldn;t help you find a job :P
01:53 Peacock what like the building boom in the US and the ghost cities in china? yeah shit happens, but the trends remain the same
01:54 Pelayo unless you were moving near kalahari and work as a hunter...
01:54 jojoa1997 bbt
01:54 Peacock i would live in the woods/country if i could somehow earn a living off it :P
01:54 Peacock cities and people are overrated lol
01:55 Pelayo I think china has about the same chances or being an economic success and a failure right now
01:55 Peacock i dont think so
01:55 Peacock theyre deversifying their economy, their middle class is growing
01:55 Peacock wages in the west have gone nowhere for nearly 40 years now
01:56 Pelayo but I think they are right in some things
01:57 Peacock well i cant exactly agree with any kind of dicatorship, but it seems most parties in the west seem intent on passing the same laws regardless who wins
01:57 Pelayo yep
01:58 Peacock so its not like were voting for philosophies so much as were voting for brands
01:58 Pelayo in spain we had the media trying to pass our transition from dictatorship to democracy as an example for all the world
01:58 Peacock well Franco was a piece of work i'll give you that :P
01:58 Pelayo but once you start checking who rules in the parties you see most of them are the same people from the dictatorship
01:59 Pelayo or their descendants
01:59 Pelayo so it didn't change that much
01:59 Peacock well, what do you have in the west? the children of prime ministers and presidents running for the same office, thats almost nepotism too
01:59 Pelayo and then you have far right and democratic left parties... that actually do the same things
02:00 Peacock Justin Trudeau will be running as liberal leader for the PM office, his father was PM in the 60's/70s
02:00 Peacock then you got bush sr and bush jr
02:00 Peacock whos grandfather prescott bush did business with the nazies lol
02:01 Peacock political history can be quite depressing :P
02:01 Pelayo and during the 80's and 90's had business with the Bin Laden family..
02:01 Pelayo an interesting trend :P
02:01 Peacock its not secret the US backed saddam when he was gassing kurds
02:02 Pelayo yep, and I also read some time ago.. yes, it was true saddam HAD chemical weapons at some point
02:02 Peacock or all this BS about chem weapons in syria when they used agent orange in vietnam
02:02 Pelayo legally bought to US pharmaceutical corporations
02:03 Peacock well, Bayer had a stake in the company that made Zyklon B and theyre still around
02:03 Peacock IBM made the systems that helped catalogue jews, and theyre still around
02:03 Pelayo agent orange in vietnam, irradiated bullets in the gulf
02:03 Pelayo and allowed israel use of phosphorus recently..
02:03 Peacock VW was a 3rd reich company
02:03 Pelayo it doesn't count when it's an ally
02:04 Pelayo and it's not a secret Hugo Boss himself designed the nazi uniforms and was a proud member of SS
02:04 Peacock morals are for propaganda :P what really counts is money
02:07 Peacock if i could i'd avoid the news altogether :P
02:07 Pelayo mm I think a journalist was recently fired for pointing that in a Hugo Boss sponsored act...
02:08 Pelayo if you watched spanish politicians you would believe you are in an alternate universe
02:08 Peacock well ive read alot of shit about gibraltar recently
02:08 Peacock (spelling could be wrong)
02:09 Peacock dont know what the media in spain is reporting, but over here, they give the impression the shit over Gibraltar is to distract from Spain's economy
02:09 Pelayo they pull the gibraltar thing every time they need to distract the attention
02:09 Pelayo yep, and several corruption cases that are surrounding the top heads of the government's party
02:10 Peacock oh well, we have our own corruption cases in Quebec lol two mayors of our biggest city resigned in the same year lol
02:11 Peacock the liberal party is neck deep in it, the nationalist party is in deep with the charter banning religious head-dress, so its a big thing in the media right now
02:12 Pelayo the former treasurer from the government's party is now in jail because of diverting money from illicit donations to the party to swiss bank accounts
02:12 Pelayo the funny thing is the party has been protecting him.. to make sure he didn't say anything
02:13 Peacock well ours were taking kickbacks from public works contracts that we were obviously paying too much for
02:13 Pelayo now he started talking and they now say... it's silly to listen to a criminal!
02:13 Peacock lol
02:13 Peacock covering your own ass is the first rule of politics
02:14 Peacock if he had kept his mouth shut, they would have paid for his lawyer until the end lol
02:14 Pelayo this guy is being smart, releasing the information in little bits, waiting until the party says a contradiction and then releasing evidences
02:14 Pelayo they were paying his lawyer until march I think, and he started talking in june
02:15 Peacock same here, we have a corruption commission going on, and every other week another mayor somewhere gets arrested, or an MNA (national assembly member) investigated
02:15 Pelayo the funniest part was last month, when the judge ordered the party to hand the computers he used in his office
02:15 Peacock they probably trashed it :P
02:15 Pelayo and they gave..
02:16 Pelayo http://img.xataka.com/2013/0​8/toshiba-libretto-100ct.jpg
02:16 Pelayo this
02:16 Peacock good lord lol
02:16 Pelayo they say he was using that for the party's accounts until he resigned in 2012
02:16 Peacock didn't they find something similar in Mesopotamia?
02:16 Pelayo and of course it had no hard drive at all
02:17 Pelayo and they even used it to say his evidences are forged because "he gave an usb drive to the judge, and that computer didn't even have usb so he could never have copied that"
02:17 Pelayo ... well.. it had PCMCIA.. if he REALLY used that for that much time, he had a PCMCIA-USB card for sure
02:17 Peacock hopefully the judge isn't that dumb
02:18 Pelayo even if it's only for plugging modern mices
02:18 Peacock though, if the opposition comes into power, they'll clear him of wrongdoing
02:18 Peacock heck, theyd probably pay him to spill the rest of his guts lol
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02:19 Pelayo nah, both parties are enemies in public, but help each other in the background
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02:19 Peacock if they get funded by the same people, then yeah
02:19 Pelayo in the 80's-half 90's we had a serious case of state terrorism
02:19 Peacock us it was the 60's 70's with the nationalist movement
02:19 Pelayo the opposition said that was going to be the grave of the government
02:20 Peacock they whacked a minster and a diplomat, but that ended with martial law
02:20 Pelayo all people arrested were freed some months after that party took the power
02:20 Peacock (under Trudeau Sr)
02:21 Peacock its even funnier that the english part of the country idolizes our worst prime minister who held back progress for nearly two decades
02:21 Peacock (you can see why we want to part ways with english canada lol)
02:21 Pelayo the problem here was.. it was a group of mercenaries contracted by our government to kill ETA terrorists (ETA killed 100s of people every year in the 80's)
02:22 Peacock ETA... thats Catalonia right?
02:22 Pelayo but they killed people totally unrelated to ETA
02:22 Pelayo no, vasque country
02:22 Peacock Spain's got two seperatist movements?
02:22 Pelayo yes
02:22 Peacock you'd think they wouldn't want Gibralatar on top lol
02:23 Pelayo Catalonia had a small terrorist group too but they never killed that much compared to ETA and dissolved quickly
02:23 Peacock here the only restless minorities are the ones that were here before the english (the french and natives)
02:23 Pelayo I think in 200 attacks they killed 5 people
02:23 Pelayo while ETA killed in total more than 1000 people since the 70's
02:24 Peacock well that's like the IRA
02:24 Pelayo ETA is now dissolving too, luckily
02:25 Peacock civil wars rarely make things better
02:25 Pelayo they aren't actively doing attacks since 2004 I think (but they killed a french policeman when he caught them stealing a car or something like that in 2009)
02:26 Pelayo at the beggining they had a lot of popular support, because they started killing people from the military during the last years of the dictatorship
02:26 Pelayo and the military tortured ETA members when they were arrested
02:26 Pelayo so when ETA killed a soldier people just said "he probably deserved it"
02:27 Peacock we havent had any nationalist terrorism in decades, though when we voted in a seperatist prime minister, an english terrorist tried to take her out on inauguration night
02:27 Pelayo but then they started to kill soldiers and policemen who had just joined and had no time to do anything
02:28 Peacock even i think Quebec would do much better if the anglo saxons just left (they keep threatening to)
02:29 Peacock Quebec isn't that different from Northern Ireland in that regard
02:29 Pelayo I don't really mind about separatist people, they have their reasons and I can understand some of their arguments
02:29 Pelayo the vasque region has more autonomy than northern ireland today
02:30 Peacock well, when you have a different way of doing things, why adhere to a federal system you dont agree with and dont want to finance?
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02:30 Peacock well in Quebec's case, the rest of the country ratified the constitution with us :P
02:31 Peacock so we dont recognize it
02:31 Peacock *without us
02:31 thexyz Exio4: they'll just register another account
02:31 thexyz and I have no idea why did you tell to ask me
02:32 Pelayo our constitution is strange.. most parties say it's sacred, but they don't respect it at all
02:33 Peacock the first time they fucked with the constitution, there was a referendum for sovereignty lol when they tried and failed to fix that, there was another
02:33 Peacock (third time's a charm)
02:33 Pelayo and it was signed.. more or less with a gun in the head
02:34 Pelayo the idea was giving catalonia and the vasque country a special autonomy while being still part of spain
02:34 Peacock well in Canada there's the notwithstanding clause, which basically means we can say "fuck you" to anything the feds say :P
02:35 Pelayo but the military were not happy with that, that was "breaking spain appart"
02:35 Pelayo so they rewrote that in a way provinces could group into "autonomous communities
02:36 Pelayo so they would be equivalent to what catalonia and the vasque country were being offered
02:36 Peacock well our military is not strong enough to control the vast stretches of the country lol
02:36 Pelayo and it doesn't work at all
02:36 Peacock theyd have to put the entire army into Quebec, which would leave the rest of the country undefended lol
02:37 Pelayo we have 52 provinces, joined into 17 autonomous communities, all wih their separate competences
02:37 Peacock and the rest of the country can hardly afford it with their own problems
02:37 Peacock jesus, thats alot of provinces for a country the size of Spain
02:37 Pelayo so instead of one health department, we have 18 (17 smaller ones depending on the state one)
02:37 Pelayo the same goes for education and most things
02:37 Peacock we have like 12-13 provinces and territory, and we're about the size of Russia
02:38 Pelayo some of the provinces were historical, others were made up I think
02:38 Pelayo and the autonomous community system was totally made up
02:38 Peacock the last change in canada was splitting Northwest Territories into NWT and Nunavut, which still baffles considering the low population count
02:39 Pelayo the Madrid community hymn is hilarious because it's a description on how it was done
02:39 Pelayo "the regions become nations, and I'm just here in the middle, all of them dancing around me and I'm alone in the middle"
02:39 Peacock dont worry, we dont have hymns but we have a shitton of flags :P
02:39 Pelayo because no autonomous province wanted to have Madrid with them
02:39 Pelayo and Madrid became one of the uni-province "communities"
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02:40 Whitemau5 hello
02:40 Pelayo (the hymn was comissioned to an anarchist poet :P)
02:40 Peacock well i like the idea of city-states, though in 2013, it would probably be more city-provinces
02:41 Pelayo we have tons of flags too, one for each province plus one for each community
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02:41 Peacock but does it change often? lol ours changed quite a few times in 300 years
02:42 Pelayo it changed in 1939 with the dictatorship
02:42 Pelayo and since then we have the same flag with a different crest
02:43 Pelayo the older one is nicknamed "the chicken": https://lh3.ggpht.com/-d6bB4zRL8lU/UIvo​iMbHM_I/AAAAAAAAFN8/wrjon0ODZ0E/s1600/B​andera+de+Espa%C3%B1a+(1939-1981).PNG
02:43 Peacock canada had the red ensign (a british relic), then its own flag
02:44 Pelayo and it's midly illegal, like the nazi one would be in germany, but more relaxed
02:44 Peacock Quebec had even more, from new france, to england, to several more
02:45 Peacock the federal gov't have been queen on renaming shit back to "her majesty's..." for the last few years
02:45 Peacock *keen
02:45 Peacock Even though in Quebec we couldn't give two shits about the Queen, we got hundreds right here
02:46 Pelayo our monarchy had a huge support until recently
02:46 Pelayo lots of scandals lately :P
02:47 Pelayo even royalist people think the king should resign
02:47 Peacock well.... welfare queen = official queen, except one's more expensive, though we same to hate the cheaper ones
02:48 Pelayo but he will not resign until he die probably: right now he has inmunity to any investigation or responsability
02:48 Pelayo if he resign he would lose that
02:49 Pelayo it's unclear where his wealth came from, since his pay is public and it's less than 10% of what he would have need since he is a king to have that amount of money
02:50 Pelayo and he has several suspected children with other women that aren't our queen... who are requesting DNA tests
02:50 Peacock lol that should be fun for years to come
02:51 Pelayo yep, and one of them is older than our prince, so he has more rights to the crown
02:52 Pelayo and if the king resigns, he would be under the same law as all of us.. and the law specifies he can deny giving his DNA, but if he does it repeatedly he can be legally ruled as the father
02:53 Peacock lol wouldn't be the first ruler to bang a few broads on the side (pardon my language)
02:53 Pelayo our press has blocked for years all information of his extramatrimonial affairs, but they have been widely known :P
02:53 Pelayo and our prince seems like following the same trend
02:54 Pelayo monarchy never changes
02:54 Peacock cut them off the welfare :P
02:55 Peacock (like everybody else)
02:55 Peacock if our politicians can attack people who get as little as 600$/month, surely they can get rid of more expensive monarchs :P
02:56 Pelayo our king even tried with princess Diana in the 80's
02:58 Pelayo he had a lot of popular support until he was caught last year being in a safari hunting elephants in Bostwana with a younger woman
02:59 Pelayo and the press at last started talking about his affairs and how this last woman (a german one) has been doing public relations in his name and in the name of the country..
03:00 Peacock lol what do you expect, people with money hookup easily
03:01 Peacock people expect them to be more faithful then they are, then they find out theyre not as perfect as they thought, and they're outraged
03:01 Peacock monarchs deserve no more consideration than politicians, though politicians can be voted out
03:02 Pelayo in our case it's worse than in most monarchies
03:02 Pelayo Franco was the one who put our king as his sucessor
03:02 Pelayo so things didn't change that much
03:03 Peacock well i might be wrong but there was a civil war before Franco came to power?
03:03 Pelayo yes
03:03 Pelayo well, it was complicated
03:03 Peacock well, being western europe im not surprised the other side never had a chance
03:03 Pelayo we had a republic, but very unstable
03:03 Peacock shit was very unstable in the 30's and 40's
03:03 Peacock hasn't gotten much better since
03:03 Pelayo the military tried to do a coup that failed
03:03 Pelayo and that fail lead to the civil war
03:04 Peacock lucky, in south america they succeeded :S
03:04 Pelayo in the end they succeeded, 3 years later when franco won the war (he was part of the instigators of the coup)
03:05 Pelayo he had lots of help from fascist italy and nazi germany, who were officially neutral
03:05 Pelayo but they used our civil war to test their planes and weapons
03:06 Peacock you could say Kosovo was a test for Iraq
03:06 Pelayo the republic was stupid and thought the soviet union would help against fascism
03:07 Peacock and Poland thought England and France had balls, the FLQ though the soviets would help... history lol
03:07 Pelayo so they spent almost all the country's money in overpriced russian weapons
03:07 Peacock probably defective too lol
03:08 Pelayo it's funny since the communists were the most capitalists back then, while the fascists were helping for free (future support)
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03:08 Peacock thats when you find out stolen designs aren't really stolen, theyre deffective designs lol
03:09 Peacock well thats like china being called a "communist" state these days lol
03:10 Pelayo well north korea isn't a communist state anymore
03:10 Pelayo or a dictatorship
03:10 Pelayo kim jong un is now a king :P
03:10 Peacock most communist states aren't really communist
03:11 Peacock the people don't own shit so long as you still have bosses
03:11 Pelayo I think communism is a great concept... but every time they try to implement it, they include a dictatorship...
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03:12 Pelayo it's something hard to make it work
03:12 Peacock star trek style communism is still at least 100 years away
03:13 Peacock and even there, you need a global gov't you can trust
03:14 Pelayo it's also interesting how the same word has totally different meanings depending on the country
03:14 Peacock well thats like left and right, conservative and liberal, from one country to the next its completely different
03:14 Pelayo for example, I would define myself as republican
03:14 Pelayo republican in the US means being conservative and favorable to militarism
03:15 Pelayo in spain it usually means being communist or favorable to communism
03:15 Peacock im mostly nationalist libertarian :P
03:15 Pelayo and that's why I don't usually say I'm republican in spain
03:15 Pelayo for me being republican means I don't want someone with privileges only because of DNA
03:16 Pelayo and while I think communism is a great idea that might work.. I don't see it working today so I wouldn't try to push that
03:17 Pelayo capitalism has its problems too, and no one is doing anything to fix them
03:17 Peacock well in Quebec being nationalist means you dont like the direction the rest of the (english) country is taking
03:17 Pelayo but I think it would be easier to fix most of them than to implement communism today
03:17 Peacock well communism if it ever happens, would have to be a gradual thing
03:18 Peacock otherwise you're putting a shitton of people out of work and that doesn't actually make things better for anyone
03:18 Pelayo yes, forcing it would be another kind of dictatorship even if the communist government was elected democratically
03:19 Pelayo and probably would lead to another civil war...
03:19 Peacock i wouldn't trust politicians to do it thats for sure :P
03:20 Pelayo I can only trust in some politicians.. that are already retired most of them
03:20 Pelayo most of our active politicians are people who have never worked out of the party
03:20 Pelayo even our president
03:21 Pelayo his only professional activity was being a public notary for two years in the 80's
03:21 Peacock id trust people who'd actually work to earn a living and had to pay their way lol
03:22 Peacock otherwise what the fuck do they know about the rest of us? (the majority)
03:23 kahrl_ our most popular politician during the last few years made his living by inheriting and copied his doctoral thesis >.>
03:24 Pelayo agreed, that's why most of the politicians I trust are teachers, doctors, etc
03:24 Pelayo and are a really small number
03:25 Peacock well for the same reason i dont vote lol
03:26 Pelayo the only coherent one here has been for years the former president of the communist party, and even some far right people respect him
03:26 Pelayo but he retired because of health problems since his son was killed in iraq
03:26 Pelayo (a journalist, not a soldier)
03:27 Pelayo it was funny when a teacher from Peru came here some years ago, and I had to pick him at the airport
03:28 Pelayo saw that man and told him "oh, by the way, you came in the same plane as the president of our communist party"
03:28 Peacock my father's in peru, though i have no idea who he votes for, or if he can vote there
03:28 Pelayo he was really scared
03:28 Pelayo looks like they really feared communism back then
03:29 Pelayo if he has the peruvian nationality he is probably required to vote
03:29 Pelayo it's mandatory in Peru, with fines if you don't vote
03:29 Peacock naw, but he married one
03:30 Pelayo I don't vote, I would like to if this was a real democracy
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03:31 Pelayo but I can't consider it a democracy when an inhabitant of barcelona's vote counts about 3x as mine
03:32 Pelayo when the third party needs 120.000 votes to have a seat while the 1st party only needs 20.000
03:32 Peacock well heres its worse, they count it by counties, and counties arent split proportionally, so someone in the country, his vote counts more than in the city
03:34 Pelayo it's similar here
03:34 Peacock though in a country with proportional rep. or single transferable votes, you get alot more minority/coalition gov'ts
03:35 Pelayo we now have a government with absolute majority
03:35 Peacock here the conservatives are likely to lose it
03:35 Pelayo so they are doing everything they want without even explaining it in the congress
03:36 Peacock thats why coalitions and minorities are better :P
03:36 Peacock if a party can't do shit on it's own, they have to compromise
03:36 Pelayo I think absolute majorities should be illegal, and force new elections...
03:36 Peacock people would still vote the same way
03:36 Pelayo it's always bad when a party can do anything they want with no negotiation
03:37 Peacock like the nazi party lol
03:37 Pelayo they promised there were 3 things they would NEVER, EVER touch
03:37 Pelayo healthcare, education and pensions
03:38 Peacock yeah well once they win they know they have X number of years to do whatever they want
03:38 Pelayo pensions was the only thing they didn't touch yet... and they did just yesterday
03:38 Peacock they do the worse bits in the first year, and hope you'll forget when election time comes around
03:39 Pelayo they said they would have "savings" in the pension system for about €30.000M until 2019
03:39 Pelayo but they didn't explain that was linked to other factors
03:40 Pelayo and that with our actual numbers, that will be probably more like near €100.000M
03:40 Peacock TBH, i dont have much sympathy for boomers, they voted lower taxes all their lives but still expect their cut at retirement
03:41 Peacock we can't afford our own retirements, or our own livings on current wages and prices at what they are
03:41 Peacock its no wonder people are talking about "compassionate euthanasia" these days
03:42 Pelayo now they are telling us the welfare state is something totally broken and that could never work
03:43 Pelayo ... it worked perfectly until the month they started rescuing banks
03:43 Peacock of course its broken, it was instituted with much higher taxes than what they are now
03:43 Peacock meh, the bailout is seperate from the trends of the last 30 years
03:44 Peacock the bailouts sunk us deeper, but we were already in this hole
03:45 Peacock though my country had the advantage of already being too deep 20 years earlier, so they started cutting sooner
03:45 Pelayo I think here it could be more directly linked to the banking system and the property bubble (that was also more than 50% because of banks)
03:46 Peacock meh, banks all over the world started lending money they didn't have to people who didn't have the means to pay them back, what did people expect would happen? lol
03:46 Pelayo they were financing building entire new cities a lot faster than the demand
03:46 Pelayo now we don't need to build anything else for years and still have tons of unsold houses
03:46 Peacock that people can't afford lol
03:47 Peacock you could say rescue efforts kept shit overvalued
03:47 Peacock if homes were priced according to what people actually earn and can pay, i'd be alot lower still
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03:48 Pelayo here government made buildings... I don't know how to translate, it's something like "official protection"
03:49 Pelayo where the government is the owner and rents it to people with low income at a really low price, with an option to buy it
03:49 Pelayo even that is being sold to investment firms
03:49 Peacock thats because selling it at a loss would be even worse for banks :P
03:50 Peacock gods help us from the next bubble :P
03:50 Pelayo madrid's government recently sold a package of houses to an investment firm for about €40.000 each on average
03:50 Pelayo because the market price was around €100-120.000 and there was no demand at that price
03:51 Pelayo ... makes perfect sense...
03:51 Pelayo better selling them at €40.000 to the ones who actually created this crisis, than making them a little cheaper so people can buy them
03:53 Peacock heck, im looking to buy a house, but ittl have to be a repo :P
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05:01 rogerhc Hi, how do I open the "Change keys" menu? I want to replace WASD with arrow keys.
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05:02 Menche "Settings tab" -> "Change keys"
05:03 rogerhc Oh, I found the "Change keys" menu by disconnecting
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05:10 khonkhortisan yeah, we still have to fix that
05:11 rogerhc Um, I flew up with the jump key. How do I fly, or fall, back down?
05:12 Menche either 'h' or 'shift'
05:12 rogerhc thx
05:12 Menche iirc it's*'e' or 'shift'
05:12 Menche gaah
05:12 Menche scratch that, it's either 'e' or 'shift'
05:13 Menche /me doesn't like this irc client
05:13 * khonkhortisan likes his /me
05:14 Menche this irc client doesn't appear to support the /me command
05:15 rogerhc BTW, I'm having trouble with the "Change keys". My move key changes didn't take effect when I clicked Save and reconnected to my game.
05:16 rogerhc 'e' does move me down. Nice.
05:17 Menche also triggers fast move if enabled
05:18 rogerhc I am having trouble setting "jump" back to 'space key'
05:19 khonkhortisan use the config file
05:19 khonkhortisan You may also notice that part of your numpad doesn't work
05:19 rogerhc oh well, I could not set it back to 'space key' but I set it to 'b' key instead.
05:20 Menche close all instances of minetest and delete the "keymap_jump" line from minetest.conf
05:20 Menche it should use the default of KEY_SPACE then
05:21 rogerhc on, can I edit the keys in the config file? I should try that. Aha, thanks for that tip.
05:27 rogerhc Night time comes on very suddenly, from daylight to dark in one or two seconds
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05:34 rogerhc I don't get any input field when I type '/'. I want to give myself some stuff. 'T' gets me a chat input field. Is that the same thing?
05:36 rogerhc How can I give myself a pick ax?
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05:38 Menche you can give yourself a pickaxe by saying "/giveme default:pick_mese"
05:39 Menche or pick_stone or pick_steel or whatever
05:42 rogerhc I tried "/giveme default:pick_mese" in the 'T' input field but got "Server: -!- Invalid command: giveme
05:44 kahrl_ rogerhc: are you on 0.3?
05:44 rogerhc I'm running Minetest-c55 0.3.1
05:44 Menche hthat command doesn't exist in 0.3.x
05:45 kahrl_ I'd recommend 0.4.7
05:45 rogerhc oops, I installed Minetest from my Xubuntu distribution's repository
05:45 rogerhc I guess it is old there
05:46 Menche there's a PPA to install the latest
05:46 [0gb_us] Ha ha, yeah, way outdated then.
05:46 rogerhc PPA?
05:46 Menche Personal Package Archive
05:46 Menche it allows you to install it from your package manager like from the repo
05:46 rogerhc I'll go look for it
05:46 Menche should be on the download page
05:47 [0gb_us] You can use that to put the correct version in the Software Center, or you can just download the correct version.
05:49 Menche "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable" should do it
05:49 Menche then install the "minetestc55" package
05:54 rogerhc Thx, I'll try that sudo command as soon as I can get Synaptic  Package Manager to quit. It is stuck open somehow. Grr.
05:54 rogerhc I think I'll "kill" it
05:56 rogerhc I forgot how though. What is the command to list processes that are running?
05:56 [0gb_us] I'm not sure I'd recommend killing a package manager, but "killall synaptic" should do the trick.
06:01 Menche you list running processes with "ps aux"
06:01 Menche best piped into "grep"
06:06 rogerhc Thx
06:07 rogerhc And now I have wonderful new Minetest 0.4.7 installed and running.
06:07 rogerhc Me pleased
06:07 rogerhc But that's all for tonight
06:08 rogerhc Much thanks to you guys for your help
06:09 [0gb_us] Glad you got it running!
06:10 [0gb_us] If you used that PPA, it'll probably automatically update for you as well, though I wouldn't know that for sure.
06:15 rogerhc bye
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07:10 Rhy5 Hello!
07:10 [0gb_us] Hello!
07:11 Rhy5 Oh, hey!
07:11 Rhy5 Just to let you know, I am carrying on my Wool Texture Pack [BETA].
07:11 [0gb_us] Nice!
07:11 Rhy5 It's taking abit of time, since I am coding some other mods. :D
07:12 Rhy5 Bear Grylls Mod, Enchanting, Capes...
07:12 Rhy5 Enchanting will be the first out.
07:12 [0gb_us] That's understandable. Are you supporting them in the texture pack?
07:12 Rhy5 Also, have to go, quick link:
07:12 Rhy5 Yah, I am.
07:12 [0gb_us] Okay, see you later.
07:13 Rhy5 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7170
07:13 Rhy5 Byes!
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09:08 * VanessaE looks in.
09:08 VanessaE hi all
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10:14 john_minetest Hello everypony
10:14 VanessaE hi
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10:22 arsdragonfly2 Hi
10:30 VanessaE bbl
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11:02 GNADev|zRokh aye doods
11:02 * GNADev|zRokh hopesthat VanessaE is the first to greet again
11:09 john_minetest hi GNADev|zRokh. Lol.
11:09 GNADev|zRokh aye dood :D
11:09 GNADev|zRokh hey, can you do me a favour?
11:09 GNADev|zRokh a <strong>small</strong> favour?
11:12 * arsdragonfly2 glares at the last line of topic :P
11:13 GNADev|zRokh i wasnt asking to ask, i was asking...
11:13 GNADev|zRokh :)
11:14 GNADev|zRokh hey, whats that code that has 0's and 1's?
11:14 GNADev|zRokh like this: 00110 011011 01101
11:15 GNADev|zRokh oh, its binary code, i thought it was byte code :D
11:32 GNADev|zRokh john_minetest: are you there?
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11:43 deltib Why is it that I have 2 free gigs of memory, but linux is trying to swap stuff out, stuff that I'm actually using
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12:27 bolens1112 I am new to minetest and I'm trying to use the technic mod and i am continually getting an error: /home/jon/.minetest/mods/te​chnic/technic/config.lua:4: attempt to call global 'Settings' (a nil value)
12:27 bolens1112 can someone point me in the right direction a google search did not get me anywhere
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12:28 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
12:28 arsdragonfly Hey PilzAdam
12:28 arsdragonfly bolens1112: are you missing any dependencies?
12:31 bolens1112 i think i got all of them that he mentioned on his thread
12:31 bolens1112 i will double check
12:32 bolens1112 yah i got all 4
12:32 bolens1112 BTW im on linux
12:32 bolens1112 if that makes a difference
12:33 arsdragonfly dependencies have dependencies as well
12:33 bolens1112 oh
12:33 bolens1112 good point
12:33 bolens1112 i will look deeper
12:35 bolens1112 from what i just read they only depend on minetest 0.4.7
12:36 bolens1112 actually you know what I think that minetest_game is not installed correctly now that i look at it
12:37 bolens1112 should mods be under /usr/share/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods or /home/username/.minetest/mods
12:38 arsdragonfly if you have a system-wide install it's ~/.minetest/mods
12:39 bolens1112 ok then it should be in the right place and i think i have all the correct dependancies is there a way i can test dependencies?
12:40 arsdragonfly dunno, maybe the mod versions mismatches each other
12:40 bolens1112 ok ill look
12:41 bolens1112 i just get the feeling that something is trying to use a mod before it is loaded
12:42 bolens1112 in this is 13 the line where the error occoured /home/jon/.minetest/mods/te​chnic/technic/init.lua:13: in main chunk
12:43 bolens1112 and where is debug.txt
12:46 arsdragonfly in ~/.minetest
12:47 bolens1112 k thanks
12:49 bolens1112 I was reading through the thread for technic it would appear that he has created a gamepack for want of a better term that i'm going to try out
12:53 PilzAdam bolens1112, do you use 0.4.7 stable?
12:54 bolens1112 im using 0.4.7
12:54 bolens1112 it does not say weather it is stable or not
12:54 bolens1112 *whether
12:54 PilzAdam where did you got Minetest from?
12:55 bolens1112 ubuntu repository
12:55 PilzAdam ummm... they have 0.3.1 in the ubuntu repos
12:55 PilzAdam do you mean the PPA?
12:56 bolens1112 no i lied i got a ppa from mintest 55 or some such
12:56 bolens1112 lemme look
12:56 bolens1112 add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable
12:56 bolens1112 thats the ppa
12:56 PilzAdam ok, then you have the stable 0.4.7
12:56 bolens1112 i used
12:57 PilzAdam it seems like technic doesnt work with 0.4.7 stable
12:57 bolens1112 o
12:57 bolens1112 that would explain things
12:57 bolens1112 what does it work with
12:57 PilzAdam I just looked in the download that is linked to work with stable, but it uses stuff from the current dev version
12:58 bolens1112 o
12:58 bolens1112 someone did not update their text :)
12:58 bolens1112 can i add the ppa with /dev or what?
12:58 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, seems like your rewrite broke stuff
12:59 PilzAdam bolens1112, this one is the dev version: ppa:minetestdevs/daily-builds
12:59 bolens1112 k thanks
12:59 PilzAdam you have to remove and uninstall the other one first
12:59 bolens1112 i will try it out
12:59 bolens1112 remove or purge
12:59 PilzAdam your worlds and settings will be kept in ~/.minetest/
13:00 PilzAdam I think it doesnt matter
13:00 bolens1112 k thanks
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13:03 bolens1112 will i be installing minetest or minetestc55
13:03 bolens1112 for the package
13:04 PilzAdam minetestc55
13:04 bolens1112 thanks
13:04 PilzAdam minetest is the one in the unbut repos, which is very outdated
13:04 bolens1112 yah i thought as much
13:05 bolens1112 i always wonder what kind of act of congress it takes to update some of the packages in the repos :)
13:06 bolens1112 i launched it and it is still showing up as 0.4.7?
13:06 bolens1112 am i missing something
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13:06 PilzAdam you have to sacrifice your first-born
13:06 bolens1112 lol
13:07 bolens1112 that will be a few months then yet
13:07 PilzAdam yea, the version string isnt different
13:07 bolens1112 will blood do for now?
13:07 bolens1112 o ok
13:07 bolens1112 i did notice that when it launched some of the info was diffferent in the terminal
13:08 bolens1112 now what do i do from here?
13:08 PilzAdam technic should work now
13:09 bolens1112 nope getting same error :/ hmm the gods of minetest are unhappy
13:09 bolens1112 im pastebining the error
13:10 bolens1112 http://pastebin.com/h3hVPuWX
13:10 bolens1112 here is what shows up in the terminal
13:11 bolens1112 when it does not work
13:11 PilzAdam hmmm.. seems like you dont have the dev version
13:11 bolens1112 hmmm
13:11 PilzAdam uninstall minetestc55, remove all Minetest PPAs, then readd the daily one and install minetestc55
13:11 bolens1112 will do
13:14 bolens1112 wow noob moment i just looked and no sudo apt-get update after adding the daily build
13:14 bolens1112 duh
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13:26 bolens1112 PilzAdam: looks a bit better this time Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net/mine​testdevs/daily-builds/ubuntu/ :)
13:30 bolens1112 that did it! you sir deserve a cookie
13:30 bolens1112 !
13:30 bolens1112 thanks for taking the time to help me out
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13:38 PilzAdam bolens1112, sry, but I have disabled cookies for security reasons ;-)
13:39 jin_xi redid lsystems in lua: http://i.imgur.com/t0XJJDx.png
13:41 arsdragonfly hurray!!!!!
13:41 arsdragonfly My AdvancedMarket mod is finally "working"
13:42 arsdragonfly from now on, you can trade stuff from every corner of the server, with no chests involved :P
13:42 arsdragonfly test server is up on 101.244.134.46 30000
13:43 arsdragonfly I'll be there to demonstrate all the stuff
13:46 arsdragonfly is anyone out there?
13:48 arsdragonfly In a few hours it'll be midnight here...
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13:58 thexyz lol
13:59 thexyz PilzAdam: don't forget to disable html for security reasons
14:00 arsdragonfly thexyz wanna try out my mod?
14:01 thexyz sure
14:03 thexyz doesn't connect
14:05 arsdragonfly uh
14:06 arsdragonfly it says failed to emerge player
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14:11 arsdragonfly anyway, I'll leave this server on
14:12 arsdragonfly I've put some signs at the spawn, you can read them and try it out on your own
14:13 PilzAdam thexyz, html doesnt harm my privacy
14:13 arsdragonfly PilzAdam: would you like to test my mod out?
14:13 john_minetest html harms my privacy.
14:13 arsdragonfly 101.244.134.46 30000
14:14 thexyz PilzAdam: no it does
14:14 PilzAdam how so?
14:15 thexyz http://lucb1e.com/rp/cookielesscookies/
14:15 thexyz also
14:16 thexyz stop using PC right now because both your kernel and all compilers you could use to compile a kernel are modified by NSA
14:16 thexyz but you cannot verify it
14:19 arsdragonfly2 And even the hardware can have backdoors that you don't know at all :P
14:20 john_minetest BUT: how can the kernel/compiler be modified if it is checked with checksum?
14:22 andersje john_minetest: one of the original Unix developers talked about a way to modify the C compiler such that it detected if the 'passwd' program was being compiled, and would insert a backdoor into the passwd program at that point
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14:23 john_minetest Of course it is POSSIBLE.
14:23 andersje john_minetest: he elaborated and described how the C compiler could detect if it was compiling itself, and would then insert the passwd-detection-and-hacking code into the C compiler's compiled result.
14:23 andersje the NSA isn't quite that organized, however.
14:23 andersje mainly, they've been cracking cryptography by cheating and convincing people to use bad random numbers.
14:23 john_minetest You mean RSA?
14:24 andersje no, the random numbers which all asymmetric cryptography schemes require as a seed
14:24 andersje NIST has disavowed one (maybe more) of the previously NIST-approved random number generation schemes
14:24 john_minetest http://xkcd.com/936/
14:25 andersje because the numbers produced by those generators don't provide enough randomness
14:25 john_minetest I think the PGP key generators are pretty good since they involve some kind of random computer power stuff.
14:25 andersje dude, the NSA pushed bad random number generators
14:25 john_minetest Keyboard input, mouse movement and so on.
14:25 andersje so no matter how much you wiggle your mouse...
14:26 * andersje thinks about what he just said, and decides he may be wrong.
14:27 john_minetest I don't think that many hackers are really using password attacks.
14:28 john_minetest Of course this might be a good first step, but nobody would test "correcthorsebatterystaple" because it is more likely that those people read the security pages and have "tr0ubador &3" set as their password.
14:29 andersje if you'd like, I can show you the logs of any number of servers which face thousands of brute-force password attacks per day.
14:30 john_minetest Wait, I'll format all my harddrives so the logs fit in :b
14:30 andersje heh
14:30 andersje thankfully, ssh logs small =)
14:30 andersje but yeah, the bruteforce password attack is still being used, because it still works
14:31 john_minetest Still millions of logins make a nice number of lines.
14:31 andersje yeah.
14:31 andersje lemme do a count quick on a box.
14:33 andersje wow, it's REALLY dropped off.  I'm only seeing about a dozen a day on this machine
14:33 andersje if that much.
14:33 andersje and denyhosts is only adding new IPs in 1-3 times a day.
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14:35 andersje seems like yesterday I could watch the failed attempts just scroll the logfile.
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14:52 * Evergreen throws a bisuit at NekoGloop
14:52 * NekoGloop omnomnom
14:52 Evergreen Nekogloop is the resident cat of #minetest.   :D
14:53 NekoGloop yes
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15:00 sfan5 hi everyone
15:00 * sfan5 throws a bisuit at NekoGloop
15:00 * NekoGloop omnomnom!
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15:20 john_minetest I am living in a cat
15:26 Pelayo that doesn't sound healthy
15:29 * Jordach agrees
15:29 * Jordach pokes PilzAdam and sfan5
15:29 * sfan5 pokes Jordach
15:29 PilzAdam yay! finally
15:30 * Jordach is considering learning german
15:30 Jordach just so we can mumble
15:30 sfan5 I think mumbling is too quiet :P
15:31 sfan5 what about shouting? ;)
15:32 PilzAdam feel free to shout from germany to GB ;-)
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15:32 Jordach haha
15:33 PilzAdam so, do we play on Jordach's server or a pub?
15:33 Jordach aos://4038426958:41000 <sham's little pony anyone?
15:34 john_minetest jordach: coming
15:34 sfan5 Jordach: coming
15:34 sfan5 shit
15:34 sfan5 booted from wrong kernel
15:35 sfan5 (2nd gpu driver not available
15:35 sfan5 (
15:35 sfan5 ))
15:35 sfan5 derp
15:35 Jordach lol
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15:36 PilzAdam Jordach, why did you leave?
15:37 BlockMen hi Jordach
15:37 Jordach PilzAdam, i crash if i alt-tab out of openspaeds
15:37 Jordach only happens in fullscreen
15:37 Jordach back to shams people
15:37 Jordach (please don't hl me)
15:38 * sfan5 is back
15:38 sfan5 I should really get the nvidia driver to work with 3.11
15:46 ShadowNinja I have a public server running... I was playing with a few other players just a minute ago.
15:47 ShadowNinja sfan5, PilzAdam, Jordach: ^
15:47 ShadowNinja It also has a IRC channel.
15:47 PilzAdam wtf? "Disconnected: Unknown reason"
15:48 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, address?
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15:49 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: It is on the list, or my normal IP, 67.241.154.164.
15:49 ShadowNinja I can't connect either. (Although I had to killall OpenSpades after it locked up)
15:51 PilzAdam that server lags pretty badly
15:54 ShadowNinja It keeps thinking I am rapid hacking and kicking me. (Openspades is slightly faster than AoS?) Rapidhacking is of course totally seperate from speedhacking, and speedhacking doesn't actually do any checks...
15:55 ShadowNinja I patched the code, restarting...
15:59 Evergreen I think my new favorite quote is "Succes is failing 10 times, and getting up 11 times"
15:59 ShadowNinja Nope, still kicking me...
16:05 jin_xi lua lsystems: http://i.imgur.com/t0XJJDx.png
16:09 john_minetest Jordach: OpenSpades is a bit strange. The weapons are not working as usual and the sound is too weak.
16:09 john_minetest I get shot and don't really realize it.
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16:34 Jordach my client just crashed PilzAdam
16:35 Jordach it's a bad one: i had to task manager kill it
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16:46 sfan5 :/
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16:57 PilzAdam Jordach, where do you play now?
16:57 Jordach how did you know i was here
16:57 Jordach O.O
16:57 PilzAdam nick list ->
16:57 Jordach i was just privmsg'd BlockMen
16:57 [0gb_us] We can see you, Jordach ....
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17:01 Inocudom I gave Red Eclipse a try. It is proving to be much better than Cube 2.
17:01 Inocudom MirceaKitsune might like it too, due to how easy it is to make maps in it.
17:03 Inocudom I can't stay here for long. A huge and powerful boss battle awaits me outside. It's name is stacking wood on the porch, and I have very specific details I must follow.
17:04 [0gb_us] That boss sounds slightly familiar ...
17:05 Inocudom If any of you see or hear of MirceaKitsune, however unlikely that may be, tell him about Red Eclipse. I think his Xonotic ponies would look mighty good there.
17:05 Inocudom So, you live out in the country too, [0gb_us]?
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17:06 [0gb_us] No, but I think I remember stacking wood on the porch when we cut down the holly trees in front of our old house.
17:06 Jordach DUN DUN DURR
17:06 Jordach [0gb_us] IS Inocudom
17:06 * Jordach runs
17:07 [0gb_us] DRATS! He's on to me!
17:07 Inocudom We are not the same.
17:07 Jordach Inocudom, im joking
17:07 Jordach ShadowNinja, what's your server name on OpenSpades
17:07 Jordach found it: aos://2761617731:32887
17:07 Inocudom As I said before, MirceaKitsune's ponies would look very good in Red Eclipse. For him, it should be possible.
17:08 Jordach ^ PilzAdam, sfan5
17:08 PilzAdam Jordach, "ShadowNinja's server"
17:09 Inocudom September is the month of work extravaganzas.
17:10 [0gb_us] October is the month of "Creepy Christmas".
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17:34 Jordach ShadowNinja, FIX VOTEKICK
17:35 Jordach also, having access to the admin login would be nice
17:35 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, there is a aimbotter on your server
17:35 Jordach simply type /login <admin pass> and lifes easy
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17:47 * Jordach is considering a special blender rencer
17:47 Jordach render*
17:48 Jordach the upper altitude isnt ENOUGH.
17:50 thexyz wow http://www.talklikeapirate.com/
17:55 Jordach you wonder where i'm going? 375766 km  (kilometers)
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18:21 Evergreen Sokomine: Someone just said there is a griefer running around on redcrab's server.   can you see what it is Sokomine
18:23 Calinou hi Evergreen :)
18:23 Evergreen 'Ello
18:25 Jordach Calinou, how's openspades
18:26 Evergreen Gah, I want openspades so badly.     i hope I can get it to work soon
18:26 Calinou I got it to work, Evergreen :P
18:26 sfan5 Evergreen: tell me your problems
18:26 Calinou Jordach: I gtg soon so not today :P
18:26 Calinou I added a application profile to force vsync
18:27 Evergreen The problem with your binary is that it is missing a library file
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18:27 sfan5 my binary?
18:27 Jordach it's got everything minetest needs: awesome shaders, good performance with said shaders, decent fullscreen, oh, and 60fps all the way
18:27 sfan5 i don't have a binary.. anyway which library it is missing?
18:27 Jordach libGLEW.so
18:27 Jordach it's 32bit
18:28 Evergreen It says this when I run your binary file:   libGLEW.so.1.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
18:28 Jordach (well, Evergreen and I are)
18:28 sfan5 Evergreen: 32bit sys?
18:28 Evergreen Yes
18:29 Evergreen Part of why I want a new computer.
18:29 sfan5 sudo apt-get install libglew1    I guess
18:29 sfan5 wow
18:29 sfan5 your computer must be ancient if the processor doesn't support 64bit
18:29 Jordach sfan5, it probably does, but is really slow
18:29 sfan5 cat /proc/cpuinfo > [some pastebin service] please
18:29 Jordach i tried 64bit before on my P4, slow as fuck
18:29 Evergreen It's a intel centrino duo
18:30 Evergreen And sfan5, I already have glew installed
18:30 sfan5 are you sure?
18:30 PilzAdam Jordach, TDM on nuketown would be good even with only a few players
18:30 Jordach ^ that
18:30 PilzAdam Evergreen, check the version
18:30 sfan5 find /usr/lib -name "*glew*" please
18:30 Jordach PilzAdam, heh
18:30 sfan5 yep
18:30 sfan5 TDM on nuketown is awesome
18:30 Jordach 12 players is good fwiw
18:31 Jordach 32 = hectic
18:31 PilzAdam I would like to play on a private server, too many hackers out there
18:31 PilzAdam s/hacker/script kiddies with aimbots/
18:31 Jordach PilzAdam, /votekick <Player_name> <reason>
18:31 sfan5 ^ plol
18:31 Jordach plol
18:32 Evergreen when I try to apt-get install libgle1 it says it is not available but is reffered to by another package
18:32 Evergreen *glew
18:32 sfan5 what does it say _exactly_
18:32 sapier1 hello does anyone know a way to search in chat archives for keywords?
18:32 Evergreen Hold on, let me pastie it
18:32 Jordach sapier1, ctrl+f <string> in web browser
18:32 sapier1 multiple days
18:33 Jordach google.
18:33 Evergreen sfan5: http://pastie.org/8339618
18:33 PilzAdam sapier1, site:irc.minetest.ru  in any search engine
18:33 PilzAdam not google, though
18:33 sfan5 Evergreen: its not available... what distrib?
18:33 PilzAdam Evergreen, libglew1.8
18:34 sapier1 wow didn't expect it to be that simple :-)
18:34 Evergreen Couldn't find the package
18:34 Evergreen by regex libglew1.8
18:34 Evergreen Ubuntu precise pangolin
18:34 sfan5 try libglew.
18:34 sfan5 (with the dot)
18:35 Evergreen Apparently, I have multiple versions installed
18:35 Jordach uhoh
18:35 Jordach try sudo apt-get update
18:35 Jordach then try for packages
18:35 PilzAdam try apt-get moo
18:35 sapier1 john_minetest did you succeed in creating that bear model? :-)
18:36 sfan5 plol
18:37 Evergreen I'm removing the conflicting packages, and once that is done, I'll try again
18:37 PilzAdam Jordach, is your server up?
18:37 Jordach PilzAdam, nope.avi
18:38 sfan5 s/avi/png/
18:38 * Jordach wants to spend time with blender
18:38 * PilzAdam is going to play on aos://1525714239:32887
18:40 Jordach feel free
18:40 Evergreen How do I remove these packages?    They keep me from installing 1.8 of glew
18:40 thexyz > .avi
18:40 sfan5 sudo apt-get remove <name>
18:40 Evergreen Tried that, didn't help
18:40 thexyz you should use MKV, the superior container
18:40 Evergreen IT removed the packages, but it didn't seem to help
18:41 sfan5 do it like google, use their own webp standard for images on the GSoC page
18:41 Jordach hold on, i might find something to help Evergreen
18:41 Evergreen http://pastie.org/8339641 Are the conflicting packages
18:42 Jordach Evergreen, I MIGHT HAVE FOUND A .so FILE.
18:42 sfan5 Evergreen: sudo apt-get remove libglew1.5 libglew1.6 libglewmx1.5 libglewmx1.6
18:42 sfan5 Jordach: that is very hacky
18:42 Jordach sfan5, beats fucking around with apt-get
18:42 Jordach Subversive Takedown does it
18:42 sfan5 you could also just dl the .deb of libglew1.8 and extract it to /
18:43 thexyz lol
18:44 Evergreen When I started remocing those, it started removing some stuff that shouldn't be removed
18:44 sfan5 goddmanit
18:44 sfan5 stop it
18:44 Evergreen I did
18:44 sfan5 preciese you said?
18:44 Evergreen Yes, with unity desktop manager
18:45 sfan5 nope
18:45 sfan5 you need to compile for yourself
18:46 sfan5 can't you just upgrade to quantal or raring?
18:46 Jordach sfan5, is Evergreen using 12.10
18:46 Evergreen 12.04
18:46 sfan5 precise is LTS but you can't expect up to date packages
18:46 Jordach yup, no .so for it
18:47 Jordach (doesnt a future version for 12.10 work backwards?)
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18:47 [0gb_us] Compiling on *buntu is painless anyway. Just paste the lines in the readme file one by one into Terminal.
18:47 Jordach Evergreen, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main​/g/glew/libglew1.8_1.8.0-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
18:47 Jordach ^ try that
18:48 sfan5 ar x that and extract the data.tar.*
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18:49 thexyz lol
18:49 thexyz nice way to install packages
18:49 sfan5 I didn't say to extract it to /
18:50 sfan5 that can break things badly
18:50 * Jordach wonders if that .deb is broken
18:50 Jordach WinRAR fails to read it
18:50 thexyz what a user friendly distro
18:50 thexyz oh stop right here
18:50 thexyz I'll die from laugher
18:50 sfan5 plol
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18:51 thexyz what's this new trendy word?
18:51 thexyz I don't see it's being used anywhere outside #minetest though
18:52 Jordach plol, the thing that we use everywhere
18:52 Evergreen Sfan5, I applied your patch and it gives me this error:   http://pastie.org/8339666   (with libglew1.6)
18:52 sfan5 plol = physically laughing
18:53 sfan5 Evergreen: libglew is too old
18:53 thexyz ooh, so you're forcing it
18:53 thexyz okay
18:53 Jordach Evergreen, UPGRADE YER DISTRO
18:53 thexyz or how should that be called
18:53 Evergreen Yes, I probably should.
18:53 Jordach because 12.10 is the next one to have the needed lib for my build
18:54 thexyz anyway, this seems stupid to me since you're basically s/lol/plol/g
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19:00 [0gb_us] Why? 12.10 and 13.04 were buggy for me. Also, they aren't LTS.
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19:12 sfan5 damn
19:12 sfan5 spotify takes a lot of cpu sometimes
19:12 sfan5 time to use vlc instead :P
19:13 Jordach VLCN FTW
19:13 Jordach -N
19:13 sfan5 ack
19:13 sfan5 ^
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19:14 sfan5 plop
19:14 sfan5 now I can play OS again
19:15 [0gb_us] sfan5, you can play operating system?
19:16 Evergreen OpenSpads
19:16 Evergreen *OpenSpades
19:16 [0gb_us] Okay, that makes more sense.
19:17 [0gb_us] What do you do in OpenSpades?
19:17 Jordach shoot people, capture their intel, die a few times, votekick a cheater
19:17 Evergreen I just had an idea, make a massive storage area underground for a store, and make buttons to call up whatever item you want
19:17 Evergreen It's an open source version of ace of spades
19:17 Jordach !g ace of spades 0.75 youtube
19:17 MinetestBot Jordach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zsZ4bxT73I
19:19 [0gb_us] Everyone tells me it's a clone, but won't tell me what it is actually like ...
19:19 Jordach FUN.
19:19 [0gb_us] I'm just going to ignore it then. I'm tired of asking.
19:21 * sfan5 meows and throws a kitty biscuit at NekoGloopMkII
19:21 * NekoGloopMkII omnomnom
19:21 * sfan5 meows another time and throws another kitty biscuit at NekoGloopMkII
19:21 * NekoGloopMkII omnomn om
19:22 * sfan5 throws an iKitten 5c at NekoGloopMkII
19:22 * NekoGloopMkII tosses it in the trash
19:23 * sfan5 throws an Sumsang Kitten S4 mini at NekoGloopMkII
19:23 * NekoGloopMkII tosses it in the trash
19:23 sfan5 :(
19:24 * Jordach throws more biscuits at NekoGloopMkII
19:24 * NekoGloopMkII omnomnomnomnomnomnom
19:25 * Jordach throws the whole box
19:25 * sfan5 throws an ToasterK with KittenOS and Bluetooth 4.0(also produces biscuits) at NekoGloopMkII
19:26 * Evergreen shoots NekoGloopMkII with a biscuit gun
19:26 sfan5 holy shit
19:26 Evergreen plol
19:26 * sfan5 activates the biscuit portal that sucks up Evergreen
19:26 sfan5 this looks nice: https://twitter.com/gabrielh_th​e_g1/status/380761916177534976
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19:48 andersje openspades is real?
19:49 * andersje googles
19:49 ShadowNinja Jordach: What is wrong with votekick?
19:49 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Who?
19:50 BlockMen bye everyone
19:50 [0gb_us] Bye, BlockMen!
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19:52 john_minetest sapier: I didn't finish the bear model, I had problems with texturing.
19:52 john_minetest Also animations were a bit strange,
19:53 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, cant remember
19:56 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Does fer9864 ring a bell?
19:56 PilzAdam no, no numbers
19:56 sapier john do you have a non textured static model?
19:56 PilzAdam something with R... maybe?
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19:58 LAD Hia
19:58 [0gb_us] Hello!
19:58 LAD Hey 0gb
19:58 Calinou hi LAD
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19:58 LAD Hey calinou
19:59 LAD ** Topic: http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released; 0.4.8 will be released soon™ | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Task of the Day: Throw kitty biscuits at NekoGloop! | Don't ask about asking questions.
19:59 LAD Oops
19:59 LAD How did i copy that????
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20:01 [0gb_us] LAD, select, control + c, control + v. Hittine all those keystrokes without meaning to is an easy mistake.
20:01 LAD No im on my phone
20:02 LAD Must have held my finger on it for to long
20:02 Jordach [AOS]Project was one ShadowNinja
20:02 * [0gb_us] 's phone has fingers too
20:02 LAD Ummmm
20:02 LAD Ok??
20:03 Jordach TomikaHUN was the other
20:03 LAD Hoi jordach
20:03 Jordach fun fact: OpenSpades creates console logs in your user dir
20:04 LAD Realy?
20:04 * Calinou will probably try out openspades on public servers tomorrow
20:04 LAD Lol
20:04 LAD Hnmmmm
20:04 ShadowNinja Jordach: I have IRC logs of the server.
20:04 Jordach ShadowNinja, channel
20:05 Calinou I ran it for a few minutes, it ran very fast, and there's no way to enable vsync "normally" :(
20:05 Calinou or limit FPS
20:05 ShadowNinja Jordach: #OpenSpades@InchraNet
20:05 ShadowNinja I will try to get and ban their IPs.
20:06 LAD Who any new griefers???
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20:08 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/sbaiIjK.png <- PilzAdam, ShadowNinja
20:08 ShadowNinja [AOS]Project == 87.229.82.7. I have no join or part logs for the other. (I am working on upgrading the server to 0.76, hopefully that has a few fixes)
20:08 Calinou there are griefers on OpenSpades too? O_o
20:08 Jordach Calinou, regular client (voxlap) works with openspades
20:08 Jordach openspades is a client, same for the voxlap one
20:08 Jordach pysnip is the server
20:09 Jordach thankfully decoding griefers / scripters is way easier
20:09 Jordach open logs, notify admin, enjoy your new ban
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20:11 * [0gb_us] thinks Minetest needs its own Freenode cloaks
20:11 ShadowNinja Jordach: IP/network 87.229.82.7 permabanned: AIMBoting
20:11 Calinou they disallow group registration now
20:12 [0gb_us] They do? Why is that?
20:12 Calinou don't know
20:12 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: It got very backloged.
20:12 Jordach freenode != free
20:12 * OldCoder obeys the topic and tosses a kitty biscuit at NekoGloopMkII
20:12 * NekoGloopMkII omnomnom
20:12 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: We are waiting for GMS now... Ask erry about progress on that.
20:13 [0gb_us] I see. So it may be opened again, but way into the future when the back log is clear.
20:13 Calinou GMS?
20:14 ShadowNinja Calinou: Group Management System, a perl module for atheme.
20:14 Calinou oh
20:15 ShadowNinja Jordach: Joining the channel?
20:15 Jordach that is the THIRD server i HAVE TO CONNECT TO?
20:15 Jordach fuck it. im down.
20:17 ShadowNinja ? You have been there before. And I have six networks.
20:18 Jordach ShadowNinja, quassel slowly takes longer to connect at startup
20:18 ShadowNinja Ah, I keep my core running constantly, so that isn't a issue for me.
20:22 Jordach bb2m (be back tomorrow)
20:45 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: PM me a plaintext password and I can give you some privs.
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21:12 john_minetest sapier: yes, I got a static, untextured model
21:15 sfan5 good night everyone
21:26 sapier can you upload it somewhere john_minetest?
21:28 john_minetest sapier: just doing it
21:29 kaeza http://www.waitbutwhy.com/2013/08​/putting-time-in-perspective.html
21:36 john_minetest sapier: I couldn't find my other model so here is the other one: http://pastebin.sabayon.org/p​asties/store/13365/bear.blend
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21:37 Octupus hi
21:38 kaeza Octupus, o/
21:38 Octupus hi kaeza
21:39 sapier thanks I think I can work with this
21:41 john_minetest Octupus: My secondary nick is john_cephalopoda
21:41 john_minetest Because cephalopods are cool.
21:42 Octupus cool :D
21:42 john_minetest Just had 3 GB ram usage (0 bytes free) because I watched a demo. Lol.
21:43 john_minetest Now it's only 1,5.
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21:45 oxenfreedan Hello everyone on the IRC :)
21:45 [0gb_us] Hello, oxenfreedan!
21:45 oxenfreedan :D
21:46 oxenfreedan Is PilzAdam on?
21:47 kaeza hi oxen
21:48 oxenfreedan hi
21:48 oxenfreedan haven't heard anything from you in awhile
21:48 kaeza me?
21:48 oxenfreedan yop
21:49 kaeza been off the tube network for a while :I
21:49 oxenfreedan lol
21:49 Octupus Kaeza,mind if i come play in your server
21:49 oxenfreedan i came on to ask PilzAdam a question but he doesn't appear to be looking at the screen XD
21:50 kaeza Octupus, of course not :)
21:50 Octupus :D
21:50 kaeza Octupus, BTW, it's connected to IRC
21:50 kaeza channel is ##mt-irc-mod
21:50 Octupus oooooh
21:50 oxenfreedan If Adam is watching i know how to get his attention >:)
21:51 oxenfreedan Java
21:51 kaeza oxenfreedan, say you prefer nodeboxes; that pisses him off :P
21:52 oxenfreedan Saying java gets him talking usually
21:52 oxenfreedan except then he wont stop talking java :P
21:55 oxenfreedan who here uses windows 7 or a linux distrobution?
21:56 kaeza I use DOS 5.0
21:56 oxenfreedan what dos 5.0?
21:56 oxenfreedan whats*
21:56 kaeza ._.
21:56 oxenfreedan linux?
21:56 john_minetest >:( STUPID WINDOWS!!! Why won't it let me delete IE? I am freaking admin!?!
21:56 kaeza kids these days :P
21:57 oxenfreedan Are you literally using that old of an os?
21:57 oxenfreedan DOS was before 3.1 XD
21:57 john_minetest I'll boot linux and do it by mounting my HDD.
21:57 john_minetest And then delete stupid IE
21:57 oxenfreedan nice
21:58 oxenfreedan what linux do you use?
21:58 [0gb_us] Windows is locked down, man. If you want the freedom to delete stuff, use a good GNU/Linux-libre distribution.
21:58 john_minetest oxenfreedan: I use archlinux
21:58 oxenfreedan i tried it couldn't figure it out XD
21:58 * kaeza uses Ubuntu 12.04 (yes)
21:59 john_minetest [0gb_us]: I need windows for some stuff. Some apps simply don't run on linux properly.
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22:08 PilzAdam my latest build is outdated, though
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22:09 oxenfreedan gtg
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22:13 john_minetest Back
22:13 john_minetest Took a bit longer because I have 4 partitions and I deleted Windows Mail, too.
22:13 john_minetest And some other useless stuff.
22:15 john_minetest Just... WHY can't I delete stuff when I am ADMIN?
22:16 PilzAdam john_minetest, by definition, only viruses are admin on win
22:17 john_minetest True... I should write a virus that automatically deletes IE and installs firefox or chromium
22:18 john_minetest Since IE can get viruses, there is a possibility to change the .exe file.
22:18 john_minetest So to overwrite it.
22:18 john_minetest Maybe it is done by installing a rootkit, deleting IE, installing IE-virus version and deleting the rootkit :D
22:19 proller and install ubuntu
22:19 john_minetest The rootkit starts linux and deletes IE
22:19 PilzAdam but not unity
22:19 john_minetest Lol, imagine a virus that starts linux with a windows UI.
22:19 john_minetest Nobody will recognize it for some time.
22:20 john_minetest Just when everything actually WORKS they will be confused.
22:20 PilzAdam after 5 minutes youll notice it
22:20 PilzAdam no bluescreens anymore
22:20 john_minetest *minutes -> seconds
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22:21 Peacock assuming you have drivers for everything from graphics to sound to printers and scanners :P
22:22 john_minetest Scanners are the biggest problem.
22:22 [0gb_us] So no Linux-libre then, if you want drivers for everything.
22:22 john_minetest [0gb_us]: Just make a bluescreen if the driver isn't aviable.
22:22 [0gb_us] Ha ha, that could work.
22:22 john_minetest With some text: "Your Graphics are bad. Take new one."
22:22 Peacock i had a helluva time getting my linux laptop to recognize the 10 year old printers at my old ups shop
22:22 john_minetest And the 0xAB43C523
22:23 VanessaE hi all
22:23 john_minetest Well, CUPS does a pretty good job
22:23 john_minetest hi VanessaE
22:23 john_minetest gtg, bye
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22:23 [0gb_us] Hello!
22:24 thefamilygrog66 Hey 0gb
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22:24 [0gb_us] YAY! I straitened the shift key.
22:24 thefamilygrog66 hey LazyJ
22:24 [0gb_us] Took a while though.
22:24 thefamilygrog66 was it bent?
22:25 [0gb_us] It was jammed, and I accidentally snapped it off while trying to unjam it. I managed to get it back on, but it was on crooked.
22:26 thefamilygrog66 ahh, mac keyboard too eh?
22:26 LazyJ Howdy, Grog!
22:26 [0gb_us] No, a built-in laptop keyboard.
22:27 thefamilygrog66 oh yes, I've fixed a few of those - annoying little plastic bits underneath
22:27 [0gb_us] Yeah. Plastic bits and cat hair.
22:27 thefamilygrog66 what's happening Khaaaaaaaaaaaan?
22:27 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan oh the usual, exacting revenge, creating planets, you?
22:28 thefamilygrog66 you know, swearing at linux, same old
22:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i do that alot too, thats why im glad i know french swear words, more variety
22:28 thefamilygrog66 calisse sacrament!
22:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan otherwise i end up sounding like the guy from Lord of War "you fucking fuck!" lol
22:29 thefamilygrog66 haha
22:29 thefamilygrog66 tabernac
22:29 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and french combo swearing: crisse de calisse de tabarnacle osti
22:30 thefamilygrog66 that luajit dev thing didn't fix my issue, osti tabernacle
22:30 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i've seen their page, they dont update shit often
22:31 thefamilygrog66 ironic that my mod works with the windows release of minetest but not the you know, linux one
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22:31 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan weird, they both on luajit?
22:32 thefamilygrog66 I don't know - kinda suspect that the windows one uses lua 5.2, but that's just a hunch
22:32 PilzAdam the official 0.4.7 build?
22:32 thefamilygrog66 when I compiled mt last night, it definitely used the luajit
22:32 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well lua's bundled so it should use 5.1 for both
22:32 thefamilygrog66 yes, PilzAdam
22:32 thefamilygrog66 makes no sense
22:33 PilzAdam Khaaaaaaaaaaaan, LuaJIT is not
22:33 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan linux promises to be free, never said anything about making sense :P
22:34 PilzAdam thefamilygrog66, print(_VERSION)
22:34 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i know jit isn't, but he compiled with jit yesterday
22:35 arsdragonfly2 Good morning folks
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22:35 VanessaE jit is 5.1 with a small collection of things from 5.2 (bitwise libs and the like).
22:36 PilzAdam VanessaE, there are different versions of JIT....
22:36 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan he needs the goto statement
22:36 VanessaE huh.
22:37 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan ffs lol just bundle the same jit version for everyone, problem solved lol
22:37 thefamilygrog66 PilzAdam, stupid question but where exactly would I put that print command - just in a mod somewhere?
22:37 PilzAdam thefamilygrog66, yes
22:37 VanessaE I pull luajit from their repository, guess that's why I never noticed a versioning issue.
22:38 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well if you rely on a system-wide install of jit, people are gonna end up with different versions and mods that work on one but not the other :
22:40 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan in any case maybe the simplest solution would be to replace the goto part with something that works across all luas/jits
22:40 thefamilygrog66 simple for you, buddy
22:40 thefamilygrog66 haha
22:42 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan just quickly glancing at your code, seems like a recursive function to me
22:44 thefamilygrog66 feeling ambitious?
22:44 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan or a double loop :/
22:45 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well right now im just looking at the code trying to figure how else it could be done
22:46 thefamilygrog66 I did that for a bit this morning, and got annoyed with it
22:46 thefamilygrog66 stupid '80s programming
22:47 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan j,m,b they represent what? x,z or?
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22:51 thefamilygrog66 j is the "direction" numbered 1 - 4
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22:53 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan would be kinda tricky using loops alone since there are 2x goto gen1
22:53 arsdragonfly2 Anyone who wants to test my mod?
22:53 arsdragonfly2 remote trading
22:54 thefamilygrog66 that's what I was thinking, Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
22:54 thefamilygrog66 it's a pretty clever algorithm
22:54 arsdragonfly !up 101.244.134.46 30000
22:54 MinetestBot 101.244.134.46:30000 is up (484ms)
22:56 arsdragonfly uh, another guy timed out
22:56 arsdragonfly maybe i should consider changing my isp
22:56 arsdragonfly it keeps saying "failed to emerge player"
22:58 thefamilygrog66 PilzAdam: Lua 5.1
22:58 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan what about something like this? (it probably isn't 100%) http://pastebin.com/d279AG5D
22:59 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan ars nothing to do with ISP
23:00 arsdragonfly then what's it about?
23:00 thefamilygrog66 that looks like it just might work, Khaaaaaaaaan
23:00 arsdragonfly should I use latest git instead?
23:00 thefamilygrog66 I didn't realize you could refer to other functions from within functions
23:01 thefamilygrog66 essentially goto statements
23:01 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan youd need to call gen1 the first time, and it might need some tweaking
23:01 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan ars its got something to do with how minetest allocates player ids
23:02 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan essentially you have to wait for them to timeout before being able to connect
23:03 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan gen2 may or may not need return statements after each gen1/gen2 call (in case it doesn't work)
23:03 arsdragonfly Khaaaaaaaaaaaan: would you like to try out my mod?
23:03 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i cant really connect to anyone right now, dl'ing movie :/
23:03 thefamilygrog66 which one?
23:03 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Disconnect
23:04 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan oh and i saw world war z, wtf was that? lol
23:05 thefamilygrog66 was it any good at all?
23:05 thefamilygrog66 lotsa cgi zombies
23:05 thefamilygrog66 I prefer practical effects
23:05 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan plus im working on proper land ownership/protection for my server (where people can buy their own plots and i dont have to touch protection)
23:05 thefamilygrog66 when it comes to horror flicks
23:05 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well you can tell WWZ had the ending redone, it didn't fit with the rest
23:06 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the whole world goes to hell, but Wales is fine? lol
23:06 thefamilygrog66 of course
23:06 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan its not like there aren't millions of people in the UK
23:06 thefamilygrog66 what's gonna happen to Walter White this Sunday?
23:06 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i think he's gonna kick some neonazi ass
23:07 thefamilygrog66 I think you might be right
23:07 arsdragonfly https://github.com/arsdragonfly/advanced_market
23:07 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan remember the flash forward where he gets the cyanide and has a submachinegun in his trunk?
23:07 arsdragonfly dependencies are money and locked_signs
23:07 thefamilygrog66 yeah, but that looks like it's in the future sometime
23:07 thefamilygrog66 house is a skatepark, etc.
23:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and the preview mentioned something about going after walt's family, dunno if theyre talking cops or nazis, but i think it's the nazis, he still owes them a cook
23:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and he's seen to much tbh
23:08 thefamilygrog66 even though they took 6 of his barrels
23:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan *too
23:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan yeah but the DEA wont just forget about their two agents
23:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan shit will heat up
23:09 thefamilygrog66 and Jesse the slave cook
23:09 kaeza How do I set a world to use LevelDB?
23:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan the fact that walt owned up to it on the phone in front of the cops, theyve gone from missing to deceased
23:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan yeah i was kinda hoping Jesse would die
23:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan he's been all over the place and in the end, a rat
23:09 thefamilygrog66 2 more episodes, is it?
23:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan 2 x 75 minute episodes :-)
23:10 thefamilygrog66 ah, craziness
23:10 thefamilygrog66 hope it doesn't end with them all meeting up in a church, going through the doors into the light
23:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan back to back it's a movie lol
23:11 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan will kinda miss breaking bad
23:11 thefamilygrog66 yeah, well written
23:11 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan walking dead has been more like talking dead for 2 seasons
23:11 thefamilygrog66 I wanted to punch the series finale of Lost in the throat
23:11 thefamilygrog66 I've never gotten into Walking Dead, believe it ornot
23:11 thefamilygrog66 *or not
23:11 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well lost is written by the same people who did the two treks, great action movies but made little sense
23:12 thefamilygrog66 in the end, characters trumped storyline(s)
23:12 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i liked walking dead's first season, but i have a feeling they had a much tighter budget after that, since they got stuck on a farm and then a prison
23:13 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan 3rd season was the worst, took forever for anything to happen and when it did you regretted it lol
23:13 thefamilygrog66 I might check it out on netflix
23:13 * harrison gulps Potion of Durability
23:14 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan waiting on SVU and Revolution to start up again
23:14 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Boardwalk Empire had two good episodes so far as well
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23:17 thefamilygrog66 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan, how do I go about calling functions?
23:18 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well where the old code was defined (but right after the functions are) add gen1(j,m,b)
23:18 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan make sure maze is global or to pass it as a param
23:18 thefamilygrog66 I was just going to type that, thanks
23:19 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan (like i said, could be kinks in what i wrote, just a proof a concept) :P
23:19 thefamilygrog66 well, considering the mess of a BASIC program I was working with, I'm just surprised the thing worked at all!
23:19 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan or as Chretien would have said... A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven.
23:22 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan oh fabulous, i just one another free cruise, must be my 11th or 12th this week
23:22 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan *won
23:25 thefamilygrog66 don't answer your phone if it's an unknown US number, haha
23:26 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan no wonder they're deep in the red - keep giving away cruises lol
23:27 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan with my luck thought it would probably be the Costa Concordia
23:28 thefamilygrog66 crap, tree monster
23:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan tree monster?
23:28 thefamilygrog66 on my server, just got me
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23:46 arsdragonfly !up 101.244.134.46 30000
23:46 MinetestBot 101.244.134.46:30000 is up (579ms)
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23:56 [0gb_us] !up up
23:56 MinetestBot [0gb_us]: Invalid Address
23:56 [0gb_us] !up up.up
23:56 MinetestBot up.up:30000 seems to be down
23:57 arsdragonfly [0gb_us]: wanna try out my new mod on that server?
23:58 [0gb_us] Hmm. I don't have Minetest installed yet, I just got my system back up. I'll install the PPA, then try to connect. What address, arsdragonfly?
23:58 arsdragonfly !up 101.244.134.46 30000
23:58 MinetestBot 101.244.134.46:30000 is up (577ms)
23:58 [0gb_us] Oh, sorry, misunderstood.
23:58 [0gb_us] What server? up.up?
23:59 arsdragonfly 101.244.134.46:30000
23:59 arsdragonfly this one
23:59 thefamilygrog66 Herobrine spawns inside players' homes. Evil.

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