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01:05 AWTom Sheldon's installing Linux on Big Bang Theory
01:06 Pelayo I hope it's not ubuntu... but other distros don't pay for publicity on TV
01:07 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan lets hope it is ubuntu lol otherwise ittl look bad when it comes time to setup graphics and wifi :P
01:07 Pelayo that will be really hard in ubuntu soon
01:08 Pelayo and easier in any other distro, thanks to Mir
01:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan what they getting rid of the wiz?
01:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Mir "because the real thing caught fire and came crashing down to earth" lol
01:08 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan aptly named hehe
01:08 Pelayo even "official" projects derived from ubuntu are refusing to use it, like kubuntu or lubuntu
01:09 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well the biggest burn came from intel when they said they wouldn't support it
01:09 Pelayo there is another problem... lots of makers might see it not really useful to do two separate drivers: one for Mir and other for Wayland
01:10 Pelayo and there is only one distro using Mir
01:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/09/08/043​1242/intel-rejects-supporting-ubuntus-xmir
01:10 Pelayo yep, I read it
01:10 Pelayo canonical is making several mistakes right now, not only that
01:10 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan Canonical - NIH :P
01:11 Pelayo they are starting to charge other distros for using their packages
01:11 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well theyve tried everything else to make money
01:11 Pelayo not even redhat enterprise does that I think...
01:11 VanessaE glad I went back to debian then :)
01:12 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well theres the crux, the market ain't big enough for everyone to sell support
01:12 Pelayo Mir is a big mistake, but I understand why they are pushing it
01:12 Pelayo it makes a lot easier to share code between ubuntu desktop and phone
01:12 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan debian has it drawbacks too, but thats also what im using
01:12 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan debian stupid moves: renaming firefox (y?!), removing collada from blender, etc.
01:12 Pelayo I switched to Linux Mint, and they are talking about going back to debian as a base if canonical continues this trend
01:13 VanessaE debian's about to get some minetest mods as official deb packages in upstream :)
01:13 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i thought there already was a debian-mint
01:13 Pelayo yep
01:13 Pelayo there is linux mint (ubuntu based) and linux mint debian edition (mint themed debian)
01:13 Pelayo until last year it looked like LMDE was a small project due to be abandoned
01:14 Pelayo but I think it might be the official one next year..
01:14 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan mods in the repos is a bad idea, you always need the latest versions of the mods for it to work properly otherwise no one lends a hand here
01:14 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan (debian repos i mean)
01:15 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan and its hard enough not having an ancient version of minetest in the repos lol
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01:18 Pelayo I got the .deb from the daily ppa and extracted it, running it as standalone... I wonder if the packages from the ppa work in debian
01:18 Pelayo does debian support ppa or is it an ubuntu exclusive thing?
01:19 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i wish debian had ppa
01:19 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan but alas, i think its a launchpad thing
01:20 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan but then ppa's would defeat the purpose of debian cherrypicking the freest packages
01:21 Pelayo but you can't force the users to use only taliban-gnu-licensed software :/
01:23 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan like i said earlier, my biggest frustration would debian is how they crippled blender lol
01:23 Pelayo that's why I don't like going back to debian
01:24 Pelayo debian is great for servers, where stability is he top priority
01:24 Pelayo the*
01:24 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well i used to use archbang, but i lived in mortal fear the next update would break something (9 times out of ten it did)
01:25 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan it would be nice to have just one distro that doesnt suck, isn't outdated or crippled by subjective principles
01:25 Pelayo I'm happy with linux mint for now
01:26 Pelayo but all ubuntu-based distros are in a small danger because of mir and other licensing things
01:26 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan mint was a no-go for my p4, it kept switch sda and sdb on every boot, so half the time it couldn't find the system
01:26 Pelayo strange
01:27 Pelayo there is only one thing why I can't recommend mint to a new user
01:27 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan i think the issue might have been because the two drives used different connectors (sata and pata)
01:27 Pelayo no support for upgrades to newer releases, the only supported way to upgrade is a clean install..
01:27 Pelayo it's not a problem for me, but it might be a real pain in the ass for someone who is starting
01:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan with archbang i got used to updating via clean install lol
01:28 Pelayo I'm used too from ubuntu
01:28 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan but i cant be sure constantly formatting the / partition isn't what caused the disk to die lol
01:29 Pelayo ubuntu officially allows upgrading, but 3 of 4 times I did that I ended with a non bootable system
01:29 Pelayo so i stopped trying
01:32 ShadowNinja Khaaaaaaaaaaaan: I use Arch Linux. No issues so far.
01:33 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan well if you like it more power to ya, i felt maintenance was a pain
01:34 Pelayo arch requires more time and knowledge, but I have to say their docs are awesome
01:35 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan though it is ironic - when i was pro arch a year ago everyone was like "hell no" lol
01:36 ShadowNinja Yes, their wiki is the best I know of. My main reasons to switch to it were 1) it has recent puilds of just about everything if you count the AUR. 2) It is a rolling distribution.
01:38 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan are the aur helpers working now? i had some issues three months ago
01:38 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan (archbang came with packer, yaourt wasn't in pacman's repos :S)
01:39 Pelayo O_o 3 hours for downloading 3.11.1 kernel
01:39 Pelayo there is something wrong here
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01:41 ShadowNinja I use yaourt. I downloaded the PKGBUILD and ran makepkg on it. (Or whatever that command is)
01:41 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan someone accidentally packaged their pron folder along with the kernel :/
01:42 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan yeah no that right there is too much effort for me lol
01:42 Khaaaaaaaaaaaan thats why i was kinda glad to go back to synaptic
01:53 ShadowNinja Very neat: http://osrc.dfm.io/
01:54 PilzAdam bye
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02:24 LandmineTM sup sup
02:24 LandmineTM long time no see peeps
02:24 LandmineTM missed e?
02:24 LandmineTM me***
02:24 VanessaE nope.
02:25 LandmineTM vanessaE i missed you too
02:25 LandmineTM <3
02:26 LandmineTM i see oldcoder is still around
02:26 LandmineTM is jordach active anymore?
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02:28 LandmineTM menche!!!!
02:28 Menche oh hello
02:29 Menche haven't seen you for a while
02:29 LandmineTM yeah
02:29 LandmineTM been a loooooong time
02:31 LandmineTM man this chat is even more boring than it was before
02:31 Menche its usually pretty dead around now
02:31 LandmineTM how so
02:31 Menche around this time of day
02:32 OldCoder Hi!
02:32 OldCoder LandmineTM, Jordach is here at times... He works hard I think on creating characters
02:32 LandmineTM ohh ok menche....hi oldcoder,,,,,,what a noob i have to get a real job and that homo is making characters? gtfo
02:32 LandmineTM hehehe
02:33 Menche let see, in europe it's around 4 am
02:35 LandmineTM so?
02:36 Menche a lot of minetest people are from around there, everyone's probably asleep around now
02:37 LandmineTM true
02:37 LandmineTM bunch of dirty brazilians now a days
02:37 LandmineTM nothing like the good old days when i was the only mexican :')
02:37 LandmineTM ahh yesss the good old days
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02:40 LandmineTM oldcoder do you not agree with me that it was better in the old days?
02:40 LandmineTM when it was fun to troll?
02:42 OldCoder Hm?
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03:33 VanessaE bbl
03:44 OldCoder VanessaE, c u
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03:50 Guest82172 Good afternoon everyone. I hope you are all well. I just had a quick question, which is also sort of a request.
03:52 Menche ok...
03:53 Guest82172 I wanted to try a little trick I learned. But I would need to see if someone can log into my server to see if it works. You can leave right after. I just would like to see if you can get in.
03:54 Menche address?
03:54 Guest82172 One moment, I am geting it now
03:55 Guest82172 98.116.20.24
03:55 Guest82172 30000 or 31000 I am unsure
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03:55 Menche not working on 30000, lets get MinetestBot's opinion
03:56 Menche !up 98.116.20.24
03:56 MinetestBot 98.116.20.24:30000 seems to be down
03:56 Menche !up 98.116.20.24 31000
03:56 MinetestBot 98.116.20.24:31000 seems to be down
03:56 Guest82172 Ah, so it does not work just as I thought.
03:56 Menche the computer at that address isn't responding to minetest init packets. either there isn't a server running or it's behind a router.
03:57 Guest82172 I figured it would not work
03:57 Guest82172 Just trying a little trick I heard
03:57 Menche ?
03:57 Guest82172 Thank you for your time
03:57 Menche what trick?
03:58 Guest82172 I heard if you have reamobo. And give someone your public IP they would not need the program. That they would be able to join as long as they had your public IP
03:58 Guest82172 I figured it was wrong.
03:58 Menche remobo works by creating a virtual network
03:59 Menche everyone has to be on that network (be logged on to remobo and on each other's buddy list) to see each other
03:59 Guest82172 Yes, and others need to be added to your virtual network to join
03:59 Guest82172 Yes
03:59 Guest82172 I knew this "trick" rather now a false rumor was wrong
03:59 Guest82172 Speaking of servers. What ever happen to Menches server
03:59 Guest82172 I do not see it on public anymore.
03:59 Guest82172 It was quite popular
04:00 Menche got sort of annoyed at the persistent griefing
04:00 Menche so bad i'll have to reset the world
04:01 Menche i don't feel like putting it back up without a better protection solution in place, though
04:01 Guest82172 Yes, Griefers are quite annoying. You should try this Mod landrush servers use
04:01 Guest82172 If you hit a claimed area more then cretin times you become auto banned
04:02 Guest82172 You can set it for certain amount of time and even ban after a certain amount of temp bans
04:02 Menche its up, but the current map is really a temporary placeholder and i have a lot to do on it, so i disabled serverlist announcing
04:03 Guest82172 Ah, I understand. Well I am off to work on my world.
04:03 Guest82172 Thank you Menche for the help and chat
04:03 Guest82172 Take care.
04:03 Menche np
04:03 Menche bye
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04:10 Inocudom http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU​9-aSGgj7pVXFEnd-iFzVdA&amp;v=uH9jGI1​mzSI&amp;feature=player_detailpage (Signs of Change)
04:12 Inocudom Scary stuff it is. Our world is crumbling to dust. There is no light at the end of the tunnel anymore.
04:14 Inocudom I know this to be so, due to the fact that the very foundations of my spirit have been collapsing ever since a few years back.
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07:31 * Jordach is going to start killing people who use 64px textures when they should be 16px
07:32 Jordach it makes life difficult for texture packers
07:32 khonkhortisan 64? I use 128, hindered by my computer memory
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07:42 GNADev|zRokh hi
07:42 GNADev|zRokh :D
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07:43 GNADev|zRokh sfan5, have you ever used PhpBB?
07:43 Jordach GNADev|zRokh, he's not here
07:43 GNADev|zRokh cause i have a problem and nobody at #phpbb is helping
07:43 GNADev|zRokh he just joined o.o
07:43 Jordach Netsplit between *.net and *.split. Users quit: book`, sfan5
07:43 GNADev|zRokh what does that mean?
07:43 Jordach they wont hear you until they come back
07:44 Jordach not to mention he's at school
07:44 GNADev|zRokh in #phpbb the same thing happened...
07:44 GNADev|zRokh oh ok
07:44 GNADev|zRokh Jordach, do you know anything about phpbb?
07:44 GNADev|zRokh because look: http://gnadev.hj.cx/forums/memberlist.php
07:44 GNADev|zRokh look from member #5 to #23
07:44 GNADev|zRokh :/
07:45 GNADev|zRokh i had 7 spammers register in 1h and 10 minutes...
07:45 GNADev|zRokh i've deleted some users, deleted some posts but they still keep coming back
07:46 GNADev|zRokh what should i do?
07:46 Jordach ban by IP
07:47 GNADev|zRokh they all have seperate IP's, i think... let me check
07:49 GNADev|zRokh finally
07:49 GNADev|zRokh the capcha im using is readable by bots
07:49 GNADev|zRokh ill use Q&A Capcha
07:52 Jordach !op
07:53 Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released; 0.4.8 will be released soon™ | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Task of the Day: Throw kitty biscuits at NekoGloop! | Don't ask to ask.
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08:45 john_minetest Hello everypony
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09:30 Mossmanikin Hi folks
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09:37 JamesTait Good morning all, and happy Water Monitoring Day! :)
09:40 * Jordach is laughing
09:40 Jordach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPH4D0j6LD4
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10:14 VanessaE hi all
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10:18 arsdragonfly Hi
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10:24 Mossmanikin Hi
10:24 VanessaE slow morning huh.
10:25 Mossmanikin :D
10:25 john_minetest hi
10:34 Jordach uhm what crome
10:34 Jordach chrome*
10:34 Jordach VanessaE's minetest directory acts strange when i select an audio file
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10:54 * Jordach is busy supporting Sokomine's travelnet
10:55 VanessaE strange how?
10:55 VanessaE and which directory?
10:56 Jordach the minetest one
10:56 Jordach VanessaE, this big black window covered your js directory (not the white page listing)
10:56 VanessaE "the minetest one"?
10:56 VanessaE HDX, my game, what?
10:57 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/jHtVDvS.png
10:57 VanessaE oh that
10:58 VanessaE weird.
10:58 Jordach VanessaE, http://i.imgur.com/d1PKMag.png
10:58 VanessaE didn't know anyone still bothered to explore my site
10:58 Jordach click that highlighted thing
10:59 VanessaE works for me
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10:59 VanessaE (ff 24 beta 8)
10:59 Jordach probably chrome being chrome
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11:09 Jordach hey Evergreen
11:10 Evergreen Hello
11:12 Mossmanikin Mercury Rain-mq.ogg works for me, Mercury Rain.ogg not
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11:12 VanessaE weird.
11:12 * VanessaE shrugs
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11:14 Mossmanikin I've heard that track before... but don't know where.
11:14 VanessaE in technic
11:14 VanessaE it's part of the extended ambiance mod
11:14 Mossmanikin Yeah, that's it!
11:14 Mossmanikin Really like it
11:15 Mossmanikin Bit like a Unreal I tune
11:15 VanessaE it was originally an .s3m module or some such
11:15 Mossmanikin That explains it
11:15 Mossmanikin Love trackers
11:20 Mossmanikin To be be more precise: I love modules and working with mod plug tracker
11:21 * Jordach prefers FL Studio
11:21 Jordach i can add notes using my rock band guitar, what else do i need?
11:23 Mossmanikin Used to do a lot with FL Studio, but prefer the oldskool way now
11:24 Jordach Mossmanikin, i just don't like the way Tracker's layout songsd
11:24 Jordach -d
11:24 Jordach !op
11:24 Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released; 0.4.8 will be released soon™ | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Task of the Day: Throw kitty biscuits at NekoGloop! | Don't ask about asking questions.
11:24 Jordach much cleaner and easier to read
11:26 Mossmanikin I loved FL 1. 4, but the newest... too much of a good thing
11:26 Jordach i have FL Studio 11 XXL (I like throwing money at the best)
11:28 * Jordach sneezes
11:28 Mossmanikin Bless U
11:30 Jordach travelnet 75% supported
11:40 Mossmanikin Evergreen: guess I'll use plants_lib for generating forest soils, sort of found a way to do it without, but doesn't seem to be faster at all
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11:41 Evergreen Mossmanikin: I think that's because plats_lib uses onge to spawn plants
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11:41 * Jordach starts playing openspades
11:42 Mossmanikin Yeah, people who'll use our mod will probably use plants_lib anyway
11:43 * VanessaE peeks in
11:44 VanessaE someone mentioned plants_lib? :)
11:44 Evergreen Jordach: I can't play openspades because when I try to apply the patch sfan5 gave me, it says it could recognice th patch or something like that
11:45 Evergreen *recognize *the
11:45 Mossmanikin Yeah, plants_lib is a must have ;D
11:47 Jordach Evergreen, malformed afaik
11:49 Mossmanikin VanessaE: for some reason generating of some stuff using plants_lib seems to be faster than using minetest.register_on_generated
11:50 VanessaE it's because plants_lib goes through some effort to filter out all the land it can before spawning a plant :-)
11:52 Mossmanikin Nice! Guess I'll "abuse" it for a lot of not-plants then in the future :)
11:53 VanessaE go for it :)
11:53 VanessaE it's already being used in some ...unusual places *pokes Sokomine*
11:54 Mossmanikin :D abusing stuff (not living beings!) is cool
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11:57 Jordach 'tis a shame VanessaE bought a webserver and not a VPS
11:58 VanessaE heh
11:58 VanessaE well that server only costs me 10 bucks a month
11:58 Jordach that's cheap
11:58 VanessaE a VPS would be three times the price
11:58 Jordach VanessaE, you only need 128mb of ram to run one
11:58 * Jordach has run simple mobs on one before
11:59 Jordach > ascii a stupid question, get a stupid ansi
11:59 Jordach plol
12:00 Jordach VanessaE, considering your home machine consumes similar electricity (~$15 a mo.) it's not that much of a far stretch
12:01 VanessaE true but my home machine would stay up 24/7 anyways and the client uses far more power than the servers
12:01 VanessaE so it's a wash
12:01 * Jordach thinks that CPU needs a rest :P
12:02 VanessaE please, this 6-core monster begs to be utilized properly.
12:02 VanessaE :)
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12:02 VanessaE and it's all his fault! ^^^
12:02 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
12:02 VanessaE ;)
12:02 Pelayo mine is behaving strangely...
12:03 Pelayo a screwdriver fell and broke two blades of the cpu fan
12:03 Pelayo and it's cooler than ever
12:03 Pelayo 28c now O_o
12:06 Pelayo and no, this screwdriver is not sonic
12:10 john_minetest It is supersonic.
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12:10 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeeKUupa6p8
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12:12 Mossmanikin Hi PilzAdam
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12:25 Mossmanikin Evergreen: check GitHub if you like to test forest soils (didn't follow naming conventions for textures yet, lotta unused stuff there)
12:26 Jordach http://imgur.com/gallery/mERNllk
12:26 Evergreen Okay, once I get the stalactites to spawn naturally, I'm going to pull request it
12:27 Mossmanikin Allright
12:28 Jordach plol http://i.imgur.com/5nYWjSb.jpg
12:28 Mossmanikin lol
12:29 Evergreen heh
12:31 Jordach AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=111018#p111018
12:32 Evergreen AWESOME ALERT
12:32 Pelayo do you have a vault jumpsuit too?
12:32 Jordach anyone wanna play OpenSpades
12:32 Evergreen Mossmanikin: It doesn't appear that the new dirt types are in the github repository
12:32 Mossmanikin Pretty cool, yeah
12:33 Evergreen Goshdangit, I really want to get openspades working, it looks awesome
12:33 Jordach lemme just make this youtube video......
12:34 Mossmanikin Evergreen: what do you mean not there?
12:34 Jordach Evergreen, hold on
12:34 Evergreen Can you link me to your youtube channel again?    Mossmanikin:   I don't see any init.lua files or textures in the github repository
12:34 Evergreen Did you remember to push your commits to the github repository?
12:35 Evergreen I don't know how github works on windows, so I might not be very helpful
12:36 Mossmanikin there's 2 branches, check "forrest-soils"
12:37 Jordach Evergreen, .deb package for OpenSpades: http://www.mediafire.com/download/dwda0e2di98yd4t
12:37 Jordach (it's 64bit, which i damn hope you are)
12:37 Evergreen I'm not.   GRRRRR
12:37 Evergreen This is why I need a new computer
12:38 Jordach Evergreen, i could boot into Mint 15 and attempt building it myself
12:38 Evergreen Hmm, are you sure you want to go to that trouble?
12:39 Jordach Evergreen, you use ubuntu, i use mint; binaries should work on either
12:39 Jordach linky sfan5's patch
12:40 Mossmanikin Need a new OS, just to damn lazy....
12:40 Mossmanikin *too
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12:43 Evergreen Here is sfan5's patch:   http://pastie.org/8334080#2-3
12:46 jordach Evergreen, grabbing packages
12:46 jordach i just need to compile then BAM
12:47 jordach (it'll just run from it's own directory)
12:55 * jordach pokes sfan5
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13:11 VanessaE bbl
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13:13 Mossmanikin bb VanessaE
13:14 * Evergreen is afk
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13:19 jordach yay, manually applied the patch to fix the compile error
13:20 jordach Evergreen, COMPILED!
13:21 Mossmanikin don't know what you're talking about, but congratulations! :D
13:21 jordach zipped and ready to upload
13:22 jordach sfan5, i compiled it on Mint 15 32bit; suck it
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13:26 arsdragonfly1 is mmdb working now? i can neither download mods nor add new versions
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13:29 Mossmanikin although I like theidea, I never used mmdb
13:31 jordach http://i.imgur.com/rJLXT63.jpg <- Evergreen
13:32 jordach PrintScreen doesn't work with sdl1.2
13:36 * jordach wonders if the forums has a mark all posts read feature
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13:51 john_minetest going to play aloha.pk pinpoint or hallway with the proprietary client.
13:51 jordach john_minetest, OpenSpades works on windows
13:51 jordach mine is fixed so the on map load = crash is gone
13:52 jordach you want a copy?
13:55 Mossmanikin software isn't proprietary, people are
13:55 _0gb_us_ Actually, yeah, there is proprietary software.
13:55 john_minetest Well, okay, I'll try it.
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13:56 _0gb_us_ It's everywhere.
13:56 john_minetest jordach: hand it over
13:56 jordach john_minetest, okay
13:56 arsdragonfly1 double-clicking on servers always makes it log in with an empty password
13:57 arsdragonfly1 is that normal?
13:57 jordach john_minetest, windows right
13:57 john_minetest jordach: yeah
13:57 jordach zipping, then uploading
13:57 Mossmanikin just luv 2 play with words ;)
13:58 jordach john_minetest, gimme 10 mins, uploading Evergreen's ubuntu OpenSpades :)
13:58 _0gb_us_ arsdragonfly, I have that issue when single-clicking sometimes.
13:59 arsdragonfly1 jordach does openspades enable modified accurancy of rifle?
13:59 jordach arsdragonfly, nope
14:00 jordach bullet detection isn't as good as the normal client
14:00 arsdragonfly1 it's said that rifles were nerfed in 0.75
14:00 jordach correct
14:01 jordach but boosted again in 0.76
14:01 arsdragonfly1 and can't be more accurate without changing the client
14:01 jordach bollocks
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14:02 jordach sfan5's upload service 0 - Mediafire 1
14:02 arsdragonfly1 there's a nice voxel fps called iceball out there
14:03 jordach eww
14:03 arsdragonfly1 iceballga.me
14:03 jordach i'd rather play the original
14:09 jordach john_minetest, 7 mins remaining
14:10 jordach wait WHAT
14:10 jordach I can use digital audio through my regular ports in PulseAudio and it cracks and pops at 100%
14:11 jordach but as soon as I change it to my ANALOG headset, it stops cracking
14:11 _0gb_us_ That's odd.
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14:13 jordach FUUUUCCCKKKKK NOOOOOOooo! Gimp 2.8 :(
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14:14 Spitfire57 Hello everyone
14:14 jordach _0gb_us_, http://i.imgur.com/orr48jZ.png
14:14 Spitfire57 Could anyone please help me? I have a little bit trouble with setting up my server
14:15 _0gb_us_ Is that an outdated version or something?
14:15 _0gb_us_ I use GIMP, but I don't know what version I have, especially on my new system.
14:15 Mossmanikin Hi Spitfire57
14:15 jordach 2.8 is most recent _0gb_us_
14:15 jordach and they removed Save As
14:15 jordach now it's export with a different shortcut
14:16 * jordach prefers ctrl + shift + s
14:16 _0gb_us_ Hmm. Seems I have an older version, 2.6.12.
14:16 jordach LUCKY. BASTARD.
14:16 jordach john_minetest, 3 mins
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14:17 jordach you better be sure you have OpenGL 2.1.x
14:17 _0gb_us_ What is the issue, Spitfire57
14:17 _0gb_us_ ?
14:18 _0gb_us_ jordach, I'm not sure what you're showing me in that shot.
14:18 jordach _0gb_us_, i have two different audio drivers -- the Headset uses the SAME PORTS as the inbuilt analog audio
14:19 Spitfire57 I have set up a machine via VPS. I want the server to be private but unfortunately "guests" keep connecting. I defined a password via .conf and disallowed empty passwords but the guests keep coming
14:19 jordach Spitfire57, peacock has a mod that bans guests
14:19 jordach but he's not here
14:20 _0gb_us_ O think you sent me the wrong shot if you're trying to show me a lack of a menu option; that is not the GIMP menu.
14:20 _0gb_us_ *I
14:20 _0gb_us_ That sucks that they removed that option though; I use it all the time.
14:20 jordach john_minetest, 40 seconds
14:20 Spitfire57 jordach: isn't there a possibility to prevent anyone from the server except the ones who have the password (what a password protected server basically should do ;))
14:20 jordach Spitfire57, it's just a name, the server doesnt care for names
14:21 jordach although an idea has been rattling in my head for a few days: disallow guests to join servers through the conf
14:22 jordach john_minetest, http://www.mediafire.com/download/gi552p​v9wdtvjet/OpenSpades-0.0.8b-Windows.zip
14:22 Spitfire57 I don't think I can follow you: There are only 3 people who have the PW, but guests can connect anyway?
14:22 jordach they shouldnt
14:22 john_minetest thx
14:22 Spitfire57 well, they can :(
14:22 _0gb_us_ I wonder what would posses them to remove that ...
14:23 jordach Spitfire57, you might want the option https://github.com/minetest/minetest/b​lob/master/minetest.conf.example#L234
14:23 Spitfire57 That's what I did already... I'm fairly new to setting up servers via SSH. Maybe I edited a wrong file...
14:23 jordach Spitfire57, you want to edit minetest.conf
14:24 jordach not the example
14:24 jordach (it's generated with minetest or minetestserver is started)
14:24 Spitfire57 Yeah, that's what I did
14:24 jordach dont put hashes infront of the settings: hashes are comments
14:25 _0gb_us_ jordach, I agree, control + shift + s is the easiest way to do it. That shouldn't be removed ...
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14:25 Spitfire57 What I meant by "wrong file" is, that I fidled around on the new server yesterday and I'm not shure, wether there is a second installation somewhere deep inside the linux datasystem (which I'm fairly new to)
14:25 _0gb_us_ Also, add the settings while Minetest is not running.
14:26 Spitfire57 Ahhh this might help
14:27 Spitfire57 On the other hand: I tested it, was asked for the PW - worked like a charm. 30secs later, there is a guest
14:27 jordach Spitfire57, the guests might be your users
14:27 jordach tell them to create their own name
14:27 Spitfire57 I'm 100% sure they were not
14:28 * jordach pokes Evergreen
14:28 * sfan5 pokes jordach
14:28 sfan5 hi everyone
14:28 jordach sfan5, i compiled OpenSpades for Evergreen
14:28 _0gb_us_ Hello!
14:28 Spitfire57 hi there
14:28 jordach using your patch applied by hand (due to the patch glitches)
14:29 jordach anyways, brb - returning to windows
14:29 sfan5 :/
14:29 Spitfire57 ok, I just tested it and I must have done something wrong with the conf-file. One of my users could connect whithout PW
14:29 jordach sfan5, i can get 23fps with openspades
14:29 jordach compared to 60fps on windows
14:31 Mossmanikin Everytime someone pokes someone I see a cell hitting another cell in the game SPORE :D
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14:35 Jordach and im back
14:36 Spitfire57 wb
14:36 Jordach 81.154.25.249 <- i am running a non listed pysnip server (john_minetest, sfan5)
14:37 sfan5 I'm ready
14:37 john_minetest Disconnected: Incompatible client protocol version.
14:37 Jordach john_minetest, using the client as you
14:38 Jordach same client*
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14:38 Jordach when the map generates OS just goes mental
14:39 Jordach john_minetest, 81.154.25.249 <- paste the IP into the bar (no aos:// needed)
14:39 john_minetest Same error
14:40 Zeg9 Hi there
14:41 john_minetest hi Zeg9
14:41 * Zeg9 is cloning openspades
14:42 Zeg9 :p
14:42 _0gb_us_ Hello!
14:42 Zeg9 Hi 0gb.us
14:44 _0gb_us_ Hello, Zeg9!
14:45 Zeg9 Hey
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14:50 Spitfire57 Jordach: Still there?
14:51 Spitfire57 Or anyone else who could help me with conf-issues?
14:52 sfan5 Spitfire57: whats your problem?
14:53 PilzAdam Spitfire57, do not ask for someone specific if you have a genral question
14:54 Spitfire57 Sry: The specific problem is: I entered the default_pw option into the .conf and the disallow_empty_pw as well. I'm pretty sure, that minetestserver uses the right config file. And still no one is asked for a PW
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14:56 Jordach Spitfire57, restart minetestserver
14:56 Jordach conf changes are loaded at startup
14:57 Spitfire57 Erm... would players that have been on the server before still be asked for the PW?
14:57 Jordach yes
14:57 Jordach it's asked by default
14:58 Spitfire57 server has been restarted several times (the vitual machine as well)
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14:59 Spitfire57 Ok, I think, we got it
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14:59 Spitfire57 When I try to connect with a different Username, I'm beeing asked for the PW
15:00 PilzAdam users that already have a password dont need the defaut password
15:00 Spitfire57 The thing is: They originally had no pw
15:01 PilzAdam then they need the default password, I think
15:01 Spitfire57 It's working now. I wasn't aware of the fact, that known users don't need to enter the first PW ever set in the conf
15:02 Spitfire57 Thanks to anyone who helped :)
15:05 sfan5 Zeg9: did openspades compile?
15:05 Zeg9 It just did
15:06 Zeg9 Great timing. :D
15:06 sfan5 join!
15:06 sfan5 john_cephalopoda: try joining too
15:06 Zeg9 I had a problem with angelscript but I sorted it out
15:07 sfan5 ..
15:07 Zeg9 brb :-/
15:07 sfan5 :-/
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15:14 Zeg9 sfan5: got an error when I start it
15:14 Zeg9 http://pastie.org/private/ar5zgrv8rqhihufbc75uww
15:15 sfan5 don't cd into bin
15:15 Zeg9 I didn't
15:15 sfan5 ...
15:15 sfan5 o
15:15 Zeg9 I'm in /build/
15:15 sfan5 oh
15:15 sfan5 cd ..
15:15 Zeg9 maybe I shou
15:15 Zeg9 oops
15:15 Zeg9 ah, works
15:16 sfan5 you also need to download and extract the packs pointed at resources/<somefile>.txt
15:16 sfan5 and then join the Jordach's server
15:16 Jordach 81.154.25.249 <- there it is btw
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15:21 Jordach thats not good
15:21 Jordach openspades stopped working
15:21 GNADev|zRokh aye doods, know what? my dad first didnt want me to code and shit but now he wants me to make a Company website for him :D
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15:22 GNADev|zRokh im siked as fuck right now :D
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15:23 Evergreen Jordach: I'm back
15:23 Evergreen Where is the build?   :D
15:27 * Evergreen pokes Jordach
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15:36 Evergreen Jordach *ping*
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15:45 sfan5 Evergreen: jordach is playing
15:45 Evergreen Okay, can't wait to play with you guys once I get it working
15:54 * Evergreen is afk
15:54 Evergreen If you see jordach, tell him to post the link.   I can scroll back up
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16:00 Jordach Evergreen, back
16:01 Jordach Evergreen, http://www.mediafire.com/download/hd​4vebsy9zzz0c5/openspades-0.0.8b.zip
16:01 Jordach open that up and run OpenSpades
16:01 Jordach (the file with gears, or similar)
16:01 Jordach 81.154.25.249 <- then paste this ip into the quick connect bar
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16:15 sfan5 Jordach: brb
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16:19 Jordach PilzAdam, client died again
16:21 PilzAdam brb
16:21 Jordach oh
16:21 Jordach Evergreen, OpenSpades going yet
16:22 Jordach we should have OpenSpades Minetest community matches
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16:23 Jordach Calinou, you should play OpenSpades, sfan5 knows how to compile it
16:24 Calinou tell me how then :>
16:24 Calinou haven't found how to compile it
16:24 Jordach i have a 32bit binary in my mediafire for Evergreen
16:24 Jordach http://www.mediafire.com/download/hd​4vebsy9zzz0c5/openspades-0.0.8b.zip <- Calinou
16:24 Jordach works like a run-in-place minetest
16:25 PilzAdam I got it compiled, I can write how
16:25 Calinou do that :P
16:25 Jordach i have a server running as well
16:25 Jordach <Jordach> 81.154.25.249 <- then paste this ip into the quick connect bar
16:26 Jordach I'll wait for PilzAdam, sfan5, Evergreen, Calinou so that everyone is ready
16:26 Jordach oh, and john_minetest if he comes back
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16:30 PilzAdam Calinou, https://gist.github.com/Pil​zAdam/813b7add5cc4d7ad41b6
16:32 Jordach oh, i used a different method
16:32 Evergreen Thank you very much jordach
16:32 Jordach Evergreen, does it work
16:33 Evergreen Just got back, we'll see if it does
16:33 PilzAdam Calinou, changed last step a bit, reload
16:33 PilzAdam Jordach, how did you build?
16:33 Jordach manually applying sfan5's patch by hand
16:33 PilzAdam what patch?
16:33 Jordach one of his pasties
16:33 Calinou /usr/include/c++/4.7/bits/c++0x_warning.h:32:2: erreur: #error This file requires compiler and library support for the ISO C++ 2011 standard. This support is currently experimental, and must be enabled with the -std=c++11 or -std=gnu++11 compiler options.
16:34 Evergreen Nope, it is missing libGLEW.so.1.8
16:34 PilzAdam oh ,right
16:34 Evergreen Doesn't work
16:34 PilzAdam Calinou, sry, forgot to add one step
16:34 Evergreen D:
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16:34 Jordach Evergreen, add the libxyz-dev
16:34 Jordach oh, and install clang and clang++
16:34 Evergreen did already
16:35 Jordach Calinou, it builds with clang
16:35 PilzAdam Calinou, reload
16:35 PilzAdam Jordach, no, builds fine with g++
16:36 Evergreen Jordach: Can't find libxyz
16:36 * Evergreen has to go
16:36 PilzAdam Calinou, remove all contents of openspades.mk after changing CMakelists.txt
16:36 sfan5 Jordach: I'm back
16:37 PilzAdam Jordach, Ill join if Calinou has no more problems
16:37 PilzAdam *when
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16:42 PilzAdam Calinou, added one last step, reload
16:42 PilzAdam for some reason there is no make install
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16:46 ShadowNinja I compiled OpenSpades, but now it can't load Main.as. I hope this doesn't require a systemwide installation...
16:46 Jordach it doesnt
16:46 sfan5 ShadowNinja: see resources/*.txt
16:46 sfan5 and you need to run it from the main folder
16:46 sfan5 (not /bin or /<buildfoldername>)
16:47 Calinou hmm, looks like I got an error, it stopped at 64%
16:47 sfan5 which file?
16:47 Calinou yet "Linking CXX executable ../bin/OpenSpades [100%] Built target OpenSpades" appears
16:47 Exio4 your cpu is too slow for compiling it
16:47 Exio4 overclock up to 7ghz
16:47 sfan5 heh
16:47 ShadowNinja Now it can't find Gfx/banner.png...
16:48 Calinou oh
16:48 sfan5 ShadowNinja: see Resources/readme.txt
16:48 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, how have you build it?
16:48 sfan5 ShadowNinja: Resources/PakLocation.txt*
16:49 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/813b7​add5cc4d7ad41b6#file-gistfile1-txt-L12
16:49 PilzAdam follow this line
16:49 PilzAdam btw, my method creates a system wide version, but for some reason there is no make install
16:50 PilzAdam so just run it from bin/ but it will take the resources from ~/.openspades
16:51 PilzAdam anyway, is someone on the server?
16:51 Jordach nope
16:51 Jordach coming
16:51 ShadowNinja I already did all that, although I also applied sfan's patch.
16:51 PilzAdam I dunno what sfan5's patch does
16:51 ShadowNinja (With the exception of the recources)
16:51 sfan5 PilzAdam: it fixes things
16:51 PilzAdam what things?
16:52 PilzAdam (just link the patch)
16:52 sfan5 https://gist.github.com/sfan5/6612057
16:52 PilzAdam I fixed ConcurrentDispatch.cpp in a different way...
16:53 PilzAdam https://gist.github.com/PilzAdam/813b7​add5cc4d7ad41b6#file-gistfile1-txt-L10
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16:53 ShadowNinja It runns now. :-)
16:53 ShadowNinja -n
16:53 PilzAdam Calinou, do you have any problems left?
16:54 sfan5 so unistd.h undefines _SC_NPROCESSORS_ONLN wat
16:54 Calinou wait
16:54 PilzAdam sfan5, unistd.h defines it, but with the #ifs arround it it isnt included
16:54 sfan5 oh
16:55 Calinou http://paste.ubuntu.com/6124702/
16:55 Calinou :|
16:55 sfan5 run from main dir
16:55 PilzAdam copy the content of ../Resources/ to ~/.openspades/Resources
16:56 Jordach ShadowNinja, that you connected to my server
16:56 PilzAdam you could also try to copy the Resources to ./Resources/
16:57 PilzAdam dunno if you actually need that at first startup, but it works for me without it
16:57 Jordach who is this guy: 2013-09-18 17:54:54+0100 [-] Deuce3 (IP 67.241.154.164, ID 3) entered the game!
16:57 sfan5 your mom?
16:58 Jordach lol
16:58 * sfan5 plols
16:58 PilzAdam Calinou, hurry up! I wanna play ;-)
16:59 ShadowNinja Jordach: Yes.
16:59 Jordach busted.
16:59 Jordach ShadowNinja, go to the graphics tab and change yer damn name
16:59 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, protip: you can change your nick
16:59 ShadowNinja OpenSpades captures my mouse so I can't use IRC. :-(
16:59 PilzAdam ^ this sux
17:00 Jordach ShadowNinja, quassel lets me type without having to focus on the chat bar
17:00 Jordach another win for quassel
17:00 Calinou still doesn't work PilzAdam
17:00 Calinou same error
17:00 * ShadowNinja uses quassel
17:00 Jordach Calinou, sudo apt-get install clang clang++
17:00 Jordach i built fine with clang
17:00 PilzAdam Jordach, he already compiled...
17:01 Calinou the binary seems to work
17:01 PilzAdam Calinou, so, you have 3 resources folders: in the main directory openspades-master, then in openspades-master/openspades.mk and in ~/.openspades
17:01 PilzAdam do they all have the same content?
17:02 Calinou yes, but the main one has one .sh script
17:02 PilzAdam you need Scripts/ Shaders/ and 3 .pak files
17:02 Exio4 wat
17:03 Calinou looks like it works
17:03 PilzAdam I think only the one in ~/.openspades is relevant, though
17:04 Calinou "AA: Custom" lol'd
17:04 PilzAdam so it works now?
17:04 PilzAdam great
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17:07 Calinou hello app that I can't alt tab out
17:07 Calinou hello app I can't disable sound on
17:07 [0gb_us] Hello, Calinou!
17:07 [0gb_us] What application?
17:09 Calinou hi [0gb_us]
17:09 Calinou wasn't talking to you
17:09 Calinou OpenSpades
17:10 [0gb_us] I know you weren't, but I was curious/nosy. Sorry about that.
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17:11 Calinou no problem :)
17:12 [0gb_us] Hmm. Well, I got my Freenode account back, but it'll take time to finish downloading my backup .tar.gz file which happens to have my other passwords in it.
17:13 [0gb_us] It sucks not even being able to get into my email ....
17:13 thexyz how did that happen?
17:15 [0gb_us] I ran a script that was supposed to convert my Ubuntu-based system to Trisquel. Being paranoid, I backed up all my files first. The script botched my system so it wouldn't even load past the splash screen. Now i have to download the backup I made before this started.
17:15 [0gb_us] *I
17:15 [0gb_us] (My shift key is also jammed.)
17:16 sfan5 goddmanit
17:16 sfan5 *goddamnit
17:16 PilzAdam Disconnected for unknown reason... :-/
17:16 Peacock stpo whacking and it wont jam :P
17:16 Peacock (baby jesus cries when you do that)
17:16 PilzAdam Calinou, join 81.154.25.249 btw
17:16 * [0gb_us] considers this advice, but loves playing Whack-a-Mole on his keyboard
17:17 Calinou yes
17:17 [0gb_us] Plus, baby Jesus grew up (so is no longer a baby) then died (so no longer cries).
17:18 Peacock then how do you explain the rain?
17:18 Calinou ...
17:18 Calinou are the keys even changeable?
17:19 thexyz [0gb_us]: can't you boot live usb and recover everything?
17:19 Calinou and is the only way to get vsync is to use an application profile?
17:19 [0gb_us] Rain is caused by evaporation and condensation. If that were tears, I'd want to cause more sadness. I love the rain.
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17:20 [0gb_us] thexyz, how do you recover with a live CD without losing your data? It's too late now, I used the live CD to wipe the system and make it usable again, but for next time.
17:20 Rhy5 Hi everyone! Rhys Here.
17:20 [0gb_us] Hello!
17:21 Peacock you dont say
17:21 Rhy5 Carry on with your convo, don't mind me.
17:21 thexyz [0gb_us]: you boot it up and copy all your data somewhere
17:21 Calinou hi Rhy5 :)
17:21 thexyz or you just figure what's the problem and fix it
17:21 thexyz since it's not windows
17:21 Rhy5 You know what really startles me? :D
17:22 Rhy5 Awkward Silence.
17:22 Jordach can i restart the PySnip server PilzAdam, ShadowNinja and sfan5
17:22 Rhy5 Very awkward...
17:22 Rhy5 Ah, thats better.
17:22 [0gb_us] thexyz, I already copied all my data to my server before I got myself into this mess, it's just taking forever to download the backup.
17:22 Jordach settings don't take effect until restart
17:23 Rhy5 So, yes, what startles me is that I always get someone to say hi to me, every day. xD.
17:23 Rhy5 Well, I don't make them, they just say hi.
17:23 * Rhy5 blushes
17:23 [0gb_us] I don't know how to figure out the problem in the system to fix it though. I'm not much of a tech wiz.
17:24 Jordach Calinou, you can change keys
17:24 Rhy5 I'm not into techinal stuff.
17:25 Rhy5 Just the usual modding, playing Minetest, finding mese, the ore that came from c55's mind.
17:25 Rhy5 I have to go now, though, bye!
17:25 Calinou bye Rhy5
17:25 Rhy5 That was quick. xD.
17:25 * Rhy5 waves...
17:26 PilzAdam Ill rejoin in a sec.
17:26 sfan5 Jordach: please note that I play in fullscreen and it is painful to minimize the window
17:26 ShadowNinja That runs smothly even with all of the graphics settings maxed out. Including shader water.
17:27 Jordach ShadowNinja, Calinou, PilzAdam, sfan5: it's up
17:27 [0gb_us] What is this game about/like? It seems to be the hot topic today.
17:28 Calinou "Shams Little Pony" plol
17:28 ShadowNinja [0gb_us]: It is a open-source clone of lasic ace-of-spades.
17:28 ShadowNinja classic*
17:28 [0gb_us] I don't know Ace of Spades though, so I don't know what that means.
17:29 Calinou oh I found key config
17:29 Calinou it's quite hidden
17:29 * [0gb_us] uses control + h
17:30 Calinou it's not a file
17:31 [0gb_us] I suppose those key strokes don't help then.
17:34 * Calinou strokes [0gb_us]'s keys
17:36 [0gb_us] What?
17:36 [0gb_us] Hands off my keyboard, if you don't mind.
17:36 [0gb_us] I have some spares if you need one, but this one's built into my notebook.
17:38 * [0gb_us] wishes the download would go faster, and realizes that next time, he should create several .tar.gz files, so he can download the ones he needs first and have access to his important stuff while the rest downloads
17:39 [0gb_us] Lumping all my files into one .tar.gz was a bad idea.
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17:57 Jordach we should have: well known members of the minetest community VS the guests
17:57 PilzAdam "Disconnected: Unknown Reason"
17:58 Jordach PilzAdam, killed server to change game time
17:58 PilzAdam did we won the last round? your intel was closer to our base :-)
17:58 * ShadowNinja didn't like that map.
17:59 [0gb_us] "Die, server, die!", Jordach say while stabbing the machine repeatedly with a large knife.
17:59 PilzAdam was like Metro in BF3
17:59 [0gb_us] *says
17:59 PilzAdam Jordach, when is it up again?
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18:01 PilzAdam Jordach, I guess Ill eat now; I can join again in ~20 Minutes
18:01 Calinou have a good meal PilzAdam :)
18:01 Jordach it's up
18:01 Jordach an hour is default game time now
18:01 Jordach Calinou, join us!
18:02 Jordach 81.154.25.249 <- then paste this ip into the quick connect bar
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18:11 Inocudom I gave Cube 2 Sauerbraten another try recently. I didn't like it much because most of its maps were pretty bad and having custom player models in it is impossible.
18:12 Calinou it wasn't made for custom models
18:12 Calinou most maps are very old
18:12 Calinou Inocudom: try Red Eclipse
18:12 Calinou it's based on Sauerbraten, but it's better in many ways :P
18:12 Inocudom There is an updated version of it known as Tesseract, but that version is impossible to download.
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18:12 Inocudom What benefits does Red Eclipse have?
18:13 Calinou it is, it's a SVN repo, but you need to compile it yourself
18:13 Calinou more modes, better map editing, using custom maps in multiplayer is much easier, slightly moddable game
18:13 Calinou parkour (:D)
18:13 Calinou you can run on walls :P
18:15 Inocudom I tried downloading Tesseract from its new repository, but the resulting compressed file will not open (even though PeaZip should be able to open it.)
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18:16 Inocudom Tesseract has dynamic lighting in it, which is why I was interested in it.
18:17 ImQ009 Oh
18:18 Inocudom MirceaKitsune tried to give Minetest dynamic lighting, but was unsuccessful. We don't see MirceaKitsune much these days.
18:18 ImQ009 Inocudom, You need an SVN client for Tesseract
18:18 sfan5 Jordach: 1 hour is too much
18:18 sfan5 try 15 mins or 20
18:18 ImQ009 Anyway, it's a bad engine for Minecraft-like games
18:19 ImQ009 The renderer isn't designed for large open worlds
18:20 Inocudom The Cube engine cannot handle large worlds? Is that why the vast majority of the maps are very small?
18:20 ImQ009 Yes
18:20 ImQ009 There's no LOD at all
18:20 Jordach time limit set to 30 mins
18:20 [0gb_us] "LOD"?
18:20 Inocudom That is an extremely bad flaw.
18:20 Jordach sfan5, Calinou, ShadowNinja: server online
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18:21 ImQ009 Inocudom, Flaw or not, it's not supposed to be used that way in the first place :P
18:21 Inocudom Now I know why most of Cube 2's maps are small. It is because they have to be small.
18:21 ImQ009 They either have to be small
18:21 ImQ009 Or occluded
18:21 Calinou Inocudom: MirceaKitsune is Taoki btw
18:22 Calinou ImQ009: its renderer does okay on open maps.
18:22 Calinou [0gb_us]: LOD = Level of Detail
18:22 ImQ009 Calinou, I don't think you get it
18:22 Calinou it's 2013, GPUs can draw tons of polys
18:22 ImQ009 Do yoiu?
18:22 Inocudom He changed his name recently?
18:22 Calinou it isn't that needed
18:22 Calinou ImQ009: I do
18:22 ImQ009 How big are Minecraft maps?
18:22 Calinou only a portion of it is rendered at the same time
18:22 ImQ009 And how big are Cube 2 maps?
18:22 Exio4 look at MT
18:22 ImQ009 It's only a few of the points
18:23 Exio4 64000^3
18:23 ImQ009 The engine takes care of the WHOLE world, in a single chunk
18:23 ImQ009 It's not divided in any way
18:23 Inocudom Most of the Cube 2 maps that come with the game are very small and very bland.
18:23 ImQ009 Making it impossibble to use in huge maps
18:23 ImQ009 The engine simply wouldn't be able to handle it
18:23 ImQ009 It's not just the LOD here
18:23 Exio4 cube 2 is oldish
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18:23 ImQ009 Exio4, Tesseract
18:23 Exio4 it has the "bottlenecks" of its times :P
18:24 ImQ009 Inocudom, Most of the maps are old :P
18:24 ImQ009 The newer maps actually have plenty of details
18:24 Inocudom It is a good thing that Minetest uses Irrilicht then.
18:25 ImQ009 Tesseract is a good engine
18:25 ImQ009 for FPS games
18:25 Inocudom They should drop the old maps. I don't care at all for any of them.
18:25 ImQ009 Inocudom, That's a really REALLY bad idea
18:25 ImQ009 It's not just about the looks
18:25 ImQ009 but about the gameplay, y'know
18:25 ImQ009 Many of the maps are known and played often because of their layout or whatever
18:25 Inocudom How does it compare to DarkPlaces? Xonotic has some massive maps (the vehicle maps.)
18:26 ImQ009 DarkPlaces is a totally different thing
18:26 Calinou too bad RE isn't going to use tesseract
18:26 ImQ009 It has LOD, it can handle large open maps
18:26 Calinou if they were made for
18:26 Calinou also enjoy your huge compile times
18:26 ImQ009 Calinou, IMO, it's good they're not going to do that :P
18:26 ImQ009 For obvious reasons
18:27 Calinou smaller maps (= people may play on custom maps more often), way better looks
18:27 Calinou if you turn all the settings down the hardware cost is reasonable
18:27 ImQ009 Way better looks?
18:27 ImQ009 On what side?
18:27 Calinou but the game is unplayable on any open source drivers :D
18:27 ImQ009 Tesseract looks pretty much the same as Cube 2
18:27 Calinou ImQ009: lighting properly cast on models (maybe this could be redone without tesseract, not sure, seen TF2 do that)
18:27 ImQ009 Except the lighting is dynamic
18:28 Calinou TF2 uses lightmaps and lighting is properly cast on models
18:28 Inocudom Another flaw of Cube 2 is that custom player models are completely and entirely impossible.
18:28 Calinou not that hard to fix
18:28 Calinou it's just sauerbraten devs being monolithic
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18:28 ImQ009 Inocudom, It's not a flaw of the engine :P
18:28 Inocudom Quake 3 and Half Life allow for custom player models.
18:28 THEFAMILYALLCAPS HOWDY FOLKS
18:29 ImQ009 Be reasonable
18:29 ImQ009 That's a totally different thing
18:29 Inocudom It would figure that it would be a fault of the game, not of the engine.
18:29 ImQ009 Game implementation - engine implementation
18:29 ImQ009 And no, you can have custom player models
18:29 ImQ009 If you replace them
18:30 Inocudom It would only work if you replaced the default ones. You can't have the custom player models and the default ones.
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18:30 ImQ009 Yeah but it's easy to get that working though
18:30 Inocudom All of the models would sound exactly the same anyway.
18:31 ImQ009 A small modification in the code :3
18:31 Inocudom I would hope that somebody would decide to make a mod that did those things.
18:32 Inocudom Jordach posted an image of a new would configuration feature.
18:35 Inocudom When was the last time Taoki was on?
18:35 sfan5 Jordach: do you have a nuketown map by any chance?
18:36 sfan5 !seen Taoki
18:36 MinetestBot sfan5: Sorry, I haven't seen taoki around.
18:36 Jordach sfan5, no
18:36 sfan5 :/
18:36 Jordach sfan5, there is one about
18:36 Jordach one of the servers has one
18:36 sfan5 that is why I'm asking
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18:37 ShadowNinja OpenSpades could use some work on the connecting phase. Is the whole map sent on connect?
18:37 ShadowNinja Even then it shouldn't take so long.
18:38 sfan5 ShadowNinja: it downloads the pack files because you have the dev version and jordach the stable
18:38 ShadowNinja You only need a few bits for color and durability. durabulity of 0 == air.
18:39 sfan5 (I hope i guessed that right)
18:39 ShadowNinja Yes, I have latest git.
18:39 ShadowNinja Jordach: Update!
18:39 Jordach sfan5, http://forumarchive2.spadille.net/viewtopi​c.php?f=67&amp;t=11021&amp;hilit=nuketown&​amp;sid=ae37d035b1d28176613acc6c021cf557
18:41 sfan5 dwnl
18:41 Jordach nuketown added to rotation
18:41 sfan5 *download the tdm one
18:41 sfan5 can we have it now?
18:41 sfan5 or atleast one we didn't have yet
18:41 * PilzAdam can play now
18:41 * sfan5 can too
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18:42 sfan5 101 ppl here! \o/
18:42 pitriss Hi. Some time ago there was discussion about translating client.. And I have (probably stupid) question.. Whats a point of translated client, when mods doesn't use gettext?
18:42 Jordach current map is now nuketown
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18:43 PilzAdam Jordach, wtf?
18:43 PilzAdam I kept joining in water and insta-died
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18:44 Jordach PilzAdam, the spawns should have studck
18:44 Jordach stuck(
18:45 Pilcrow hey guys. first time using irc. did I make it to the minetest area?  :)
18:45 ShadowNinja Jordach: Can you disable anti-cheat on the server? That shoud halp lag telporting.
18:45 sfan5 Pilcrow: yes
18:45 Inocudom This is the #minetest irc channel, so I would say yes.
18:46 Jordach ShadowNinja, the only anticheat is aimbot detection and speedhacking
18:46 Calinou I thought Pilcrow was a joke name for PilzAdam O_o
18:46 Jordach nuketown removed from rotation
18:46 ShadowNinja Jordach: What server are you using? pysnip? pyspades? SpeedHacking sounds like the lag teleport causer.
18:46 Pilcrow nope. a pilcrow is actually a grammatical symbol. I'm that kind of 'nerd'...
18:46 PilzAdam Jordach, disable speeedhacking
18:47 PilzAdam choosing a nick doesnt really make you a nerd
18:48 Jordach disabled
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18:51 ShadowNinja Hmmm, it looks like it can use a IRC channel...
18:52 ShadowNinja Jordach: #OpenSpades@InchraNet?
18:53 Pilcrow oh, I qualify as a nerd anyway. anyhow, I've looked on the forums but can't find the protocol for releasing a gamepack. do I need a "credits" list if I've used some others' mods?
18:54 sfan5 "protocol" please define
18:54 ShadowNinja procedure
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18:54 [0gb_us] Pilcrow, at least your name is pronounceable. ☺
18:55 ShadowNinja Pilcrow: Post links to the mods used in the modpack.
18:56 Pilcrow well, I understand that I'd need to post into modding general and request a move, but I've used (and heavily modified) some mods others have made.
18:56 sfan5 Jordach: is it up?
18:56 sfan5 you still need to give credit
18:56 Pilcrow I was thinking it'd be good to give credit where credit is due, but I've lost track of the original makers of some of these mods.
18:57 sfan5 well then you need to find the authors again
18:58 khonkhortisan hello ¶ilcrow
18:58 sfan5
18:58 THEFAMILYALLCAPS pilzadamcrow?
18:59 khonkhortisan no
18:59 Pilcrow (for example, I made a 3d torches mod of my own, but heavily based it on 2 other mods, one by BlockMen and the other by someone else whose post is buried somewhere in modding general or old mods...)
18:59 Jordach sfan5, online
19:00 THEFAMILYALLCAPS I'd say that they're based on the following mods: <link to blockmen's torches>, <link to other buried torch mod>
19:01 Pilcrow ok that answers that. long story short, I've got something I feel is decent but I can't release it yet, huh?
19:05 ShadowNinja Jordach: Can you move this? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7239
19:14 PilzAdam Jordach, the maps are too big
19:16 Pilcrow well, thanks for the help, guys. off to work on that, then.
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19:39 PilzAdam \o/
19:39 sfan5 \o/
19:39 sfan5 enough for today
19:39 PilzAdam Jordach, smaller maps now
19:40 PilzAdam or I wonder if we should join a pub server with more players
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19:41 Jordach we should put [MT] in front of our names
19:41 PilzAdam yea
19:41 PilzAdam which server?
19:41 Jordach let's go to http://buildandshoot.com
19:41 Jordach sfan5, there is a 24/7 nuketown server
19:42 Pelayo is there any minimap mod? or a way to save and show waypoints distance even if there is no map?
19:42 sfan5 that is the server I played on for  the first time(yesterday)
19:42 Jordach it's hectic
19:43 PilzAdam so? what server?
19:43 sfan5 which*
19:44 Jordach nuketown is full.
19:44 Jordach shams little pony?
19:44 Jordach aos://4038426958:41000
19:45 Jordach (you can paste that into the quick connect as well as an ip)
19:56 ShadowNinja Jordach: Can you move my mod post? See ^
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20:02 * Evergreen is back
20:05 khonkhortisan :Evergreen!b8114347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.17.67.71 PRIVMSG #minetest :[0001]ACTION is back[0001]
20:05 * khonkhortisan found the raw log
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20:17 Jordach PilzAdam, sfan5: play some more tomorrow?
20:17 Jordach moved ShadowNinja
20:18 Jordach anyways - im off to bed; if i were allowed to stay up later; i would
20:18 Jordach let's rampage some more servers (perhaps we should use mumble to our advantage)
20:19 Tiktalik why doesn't minetest have infinite worlds?
20:19 Exio4 because float limitations
20:19 Exio4 anyway i don't get why more
20:19 Exio4 32k is already a lot
20:20 Tiktalik minecraft also has float limitations
20:20 Tiktalik but you can go a lot farther
20:20 Exio4 engine problems, it could be reworked and so on for using floats in other way
20:21 Exio4 yet there isn't any point in doing that
20:21 Tiktalik servers
20:21 Exio4 the world is, in practice, already big
20:21 Exio4 Tiktalik: fly from 32000,0,32000 to 0,0,0
20:21 Exio4 tell me how many minutes it took
20:21 Exio4 :>
20:22 Tiktalik yeah, but 30 million is better
20:22 Tiktalik i mean
20:22 Tiktalik would you rather have
20:22 Tiktalik really big or infinite
20:22 Exio4 infinite is impossible and really big is not worth the trouble
20:22 Tiktalik really big is what you have
20:22 Exio4 yet, i don't *seriously* get it
20:22 Tiktalik infinite isn't really infinite
20:22 Tiktalik but big enough that you'll never explore far enough to get to the ends
20:23 Exio4 try to play in survival
20:23 Exio4 and walk from spawn to a corner of the world
20:23 Tiktalik you'll never be able to recreate the earth in minetest
20:23 Tiktalik not at 1:1500 anyway :(
20:26 Tiktalik Exio4: it's 32000 in every direction, right?
20:26 Exio4 yes
20:26 sfan5 Tiktalik: you won't be able to see the whole earth anyway
20:26 Exio4 +32 and -32
20:27 sfan5 and the world will probably be too big for any currently existing storage medium
20:27 Tiktalik sfan5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNbR_PIMJM
20:27 Tiktalik minecraft
20:27 Tiktalik 8 gb
20:27 Tiktalik also sfan5, I heard you had a new world format that was a lot smaller?
20:28 Exio4 Tiktalik: take it in this way: it is not worth it
20:28 sfan5 Tiktalik: I saw that on reddit when it was created
20:28 sfan5 a new world format?
20:28 sfan5 leveldb maybe
20:28 Tiktalik yeah, leveldb
20:28 Tiktalik instead of sqlite
20:29 Tiktalik Exio4: how hard would it actually be in practice
20:29 ShadowNinja Better yet is sophia, but we should implement libmtmap first.
20:30 Exio4 Tiktalik: take it as a rework of the coords
20:30 Exio4 because irrlicht uses float internally
20:30 ShadowNinja Tiktalik: Very, very, very hard. You would have to change a lot of code.
20:31 ShadowNinja I would like 32-bit, or even 64-bit coords. But the work required isn't worth it.
20:31 Tiktalik why not have an int for every 64000x64000x64000, with float as position inside?
20:31 Exio4 that is a rework
20:31 Exio4 of the coords, and why the fuck would someone do that?
20:32 Tiktalik hmph
20:32 Tiktalik sounds like I'm going to have to get off my lazy bum
20:32 ShadowNinja While we're at it, make it 1024-bit coords. :-)
20:32 Tiktalik and learn some goddamn c++
20:35 thomasfuston lol
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20:36 Tiktalik why wasn't it designed with 32 bit coords from the start though, Exio4?
20:36 Exio4 ask c55
20:36 PilzAdam for the same reason why it wasnt designed with 1241564545614545 bit coords
20:37 ShadowNinja Tiktalik: The aforementioned floats most likely, or 16-bit just seemed big enough.
20:37 sfan5 ShadowNinja: build a 4096-bit CPU (well... if we have one we could also just factor 2048 or 4096 bit RSA)
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20:39 john_minetest Okay, my connection is back
20:39 ShadowNinja ?
20:40 john_minetest My laptop was in sleep mode accidently so I had no internet
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20:40 john_minetest Is openspades 81.154.25.249 still up?
20:41 PilzAdam john_minetest, dunno, but nobody is playing anymore
20:41 ShadowNinja I beleive not.
20:41 john_minetest Oh :(
20:41 PilzAdam we will play tomorrow again, I guess
20:41 john_minetest "Under the dome" running on TV.
20:42 john_minetest Ad break should be over soon.
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20:58 jojoa1997 bas080 you there?
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21:12 Peacock ugh, im either starting a cold or having allergies lol with the temperature up and down it's hard to tell
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21:47 Peacock this mall turned out bigger than we thought https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=111074#p111074
21:47 Nolan_ kaeza are you there?
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21:47 kaeza maybe
21:47 Peacock lol
21:47 Peacock kaeza: shoulda said "left ten minutes ago" :P
21:48 kaeza :D
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21:49 kaeza Peacock, interesting fact: xban banned 10 more "players" using the same IPs as those assholes :D
21:49 Peacock BRs never learn lol
21:49 jojoa1997 bas080, YOU THERE
21:49 kaeza (and 3 or 4 more IPs too)
21:50 Peacock maybe we should figure out a way to to ban by geolocation
21:50 jojoa1997 lol tehn you go nextdoor and play
21:51 Peacock next door as in next country?
21:51 kaeza lol
21:51 kaeza GL;HF
21:52 Peacock though i do have one idea: makes a rules formspec popup on joinplayer
21:52 Peacock have 3 buttons,
21:52 Peacock accept, decline, and Portuguese version
21:52 Peacock decline and portuguese would both ban the player XD
21:55 Peacock another idea might be to give clients unique id's
21:57 Peacock thats something you could generate when you compile, not sure how'd you do it with prepackaged builds though
21:57 Peacock 1st run probably
22:00 Exio4 that sounds nice but easy to avoid/skip
22:00 Exio4 if there was a "login server" it would be easier, though..
22:00 Peacock well, like when you require passwords, you could require the client have a unique id?
22:01 Peacock simpler then, why not have the option of using forum credentials?
22:01 Exio4 iirc there was some basic idea of doing that
22:01 Exio4 ask thexyz :P
22:02 Peacock he came up with that? nice, tho i thought he was all pro privacy/anonymity
22:02 Peacock leave server admins the option of running their own credentials, or use forum credentials
22:02 Peacock since the forum already verifies for bots and valid emails, its probably the best solution
22:06 Peacock i can always tell who's a griefer when i ask them to go on the forum to request protection - they don't want to "create" an account, tho i suspect they already have one lol
22:10 Exio4 banning per forum account would make random and casual griefers easy to ban
22:10 Exio4 (or more like, make them dissapear)
22:13 john_minetest openspades is bad.
22:13 john_minetest All those effects are so distracting.
22:13 john_minetest And I can't hear the shots properly, they sound like steps.
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22:13 john_minetest And it is slower than the original.
22:15 john_minetest Hey, how about adding a language row to the server list in minetest? So it is possible to see if the language on a server is english, french, spanish, german or something else.
22:16 * PilzAdam would write "Lua" in that line
22:16 proller average size of...
22:16 proller and^
22:20 Peacock what do you do when admins speak both english and french, and you have helpful german players?
22:21 Peacock might be easier to show little flags in the language column
22:23 john_minetest Well, then you put a "?" flag there.
22:23 Peacock no i mean little pictures of (national) flags :P
22:24 PilzAdam so for german you already need to put 3 national flags there
22:24 * john_minetest imagines that flag being used often then just for fun: http://aengusogecoschool.we​bs.com/FlagRainbow_xxl.png
22:24 Peacock well pick the most recognizable one :P
22:24 john_minetest The coolest one because it is actually gold.
22:24 Peacock but if you have to put the language in text, theres not much room for more than one
22:25 john_minetest "American English with a little french accent and a slight mumbling"
22:25 john_minetest A BIT too long.
22:25 john_minetest gtg, cya
22:25 Exio4 lol
22:26 Peacock still better cockney lol
22:27 proller admins can write it in description
22:27 proller or in name
22:27 Peacock though i guess for the german the essential part is to remember to pull out your spacebar :P
22:27 proller [FR] toad eaters 24/7
22:30 Peacock naw
22:30 Peacock it would be
22:30 Peacock [FR] now with /surrender
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22:32 LAD Hi
22:33 LAD ...?
22:34 Peacock the kitchen is closed
22:34 LAD Oh?
22:35 LAD But there is no cooking in minetest just farming
22:36 Peacock a really well thought-out stovetop/oven would be cool yeah
22:36 LAD Hmm i could mabye code if i had the time
22:40 LAD ChanServ hi
22:40 LAD Oops
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22:53 Evergreen Hey sfan5, i applied your patch to openspades, but when it links the cxx executable, I get this error.   http://pastie.org/private/lrklfatllkza5lnnexzcqq
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23:01 thefamilygrog66 Howdy folks
23:01 thefamilygrog66 How can I tell which version of lua I'm running?
23:02 kaeza thefamilygrog66, print(_VERSION)
23:02 kaeza it will output something like "Lua 5.1"
23:02 thefamilygrog66 I've run into an issue with the 'goto' command
23:03 kaeza goto? O_o
23:03 thefamilygrog66 my hedge maze mod works fine on my laptop, but when I add it to my linux server, I get an error:
23:03 thefamilygrog66 unexpected symbol near ':'
23:03 Exio4 goto? where?
23:03 kaeza thefamilygrog66, I think goto was introduced in 5.2
23:03 thefamilygrog66 another line in the code
23:03 kaeza MT uses 5.1
23:03 thefamilygrog66 yes, kaeza that's what I read
23:03 thefamilygrog66 so why does it work on my windows laptop?
23:03 Exio4 are you using luajit
23:04 thefamilygrog66 I don't know
23:04 kaeza thefamilygrog66, LuaJit has some 5.2 features
23:04 kaeza (including goto and bitop)
23:05 thefamilygrog66 not to be mistaken with luakit?
23:05 kaeza nope
23:05 thefamilygrog66 that's really weird man. I'm pretty sure I didn't install luajit on my laptop
23:06 kaeza your minetest executable may have been compiled with LuaJit support
23:06 kaeza did you compile yourself?
23:06 thefamilygrog66 maybe the windows executable has it
23:06 thefamilygrog66 I compiled my linux one myself
23:07 kaeza in any case, you may want to restructure your code to avoid goto, or *require* your users to use Jit
23:07 thefamilygrog66 maybe I'll install luajit on my linux box
23:07 Exio4 using goto in a "super-high level" language doesn't look like the right thing
23:08 kaeza Exio4, goto is fine anywhere
23:08 proller Exio4, did you wrote something bigger than "hello world"?
23:08 Exio4 proller: yes
23:08 kaeza but when there's this kind of problem, it's best avoided
23:09 Exio4 imo in mid-level to below goto is one of the most useful constructors, when you have super-cute interfaces it becomes a pain to use
23:09 Exio4 mainly because it is "less supported" than other things like subclassing or things like that
23:09 NekoGloop I need kitteh biscuits.
23:11 thefamilygrog66 I guess I kinda figured if it worked in one case, it would with all of 'em
23:12 thefamilygrog66 bottom line is it IS supported by 5.2+
23:12 thefamilygrog66 that's the reason I used it, since I was translating an old BASIC program
23:14 NekoGloop So why don't we update MT to 5.2 by default already? :P
23:14 Exio4 because api changes and it could break stuff?
23:14 thefamilygrog66 it works in windows apparently
23:14 Peacock so business as usual lol
23:15 NekoGloop Don't we break enough things as is?
23:15 thefamilygrog66 yes
23:15 Peacock moar! lol
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23:16 * thefamilygrog66 throws shit around and generally breaks things
23:19 thefamilygrog66 installed luajit, and it made no difference
23:19 VanessaE you have to compile mt to use it.
23:19 thefamilygrog66 great!
23:20 thefamilygrog66 anything special I need to do when compiling?
23:20 * NekoGloop throws a kitty biscuit at VanessaE
23:20 Peacock pray
23:20 thefamilygrog66 /me believes in nothing
23:20 thefamilygrog66 haha
23:21 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: nope. just make sure when you do the cmake step that it says it found luajit.
23:21 thefamilygrog66 groovy, thanks V
23:21 Peacock MT: Y U NO bundle jit
23:21 thefamilygrog66 gives 'em the jitters
23:21 NekoGloop because lisencing
23:22 thefamilygrog66 it's bundled in the freakin' windows version!
23:22 NekoGloop loophole.
23:22 thefamilygrog66 unless the windows version uses lua 5.2
23:22 thefamilygrog66 wormhole
23:23 Peacock for the small % of people using linux, there sure are a shitload of opensource/copyleft licenses to chose from lol
23:23 NekoGloop loopworm
23:23 thefamilygrog66 tapeworm
23:23 NekoGloop worm tape.
23:23 * Peacock eagerly awaits RMSv4 license
23:23 thefamilygrog66 so I suppose I should add a disclaimer to my hedge maze mod, ffs
23:24 * NekoGloop noms Peacock's head
23:24 thefamilygrog66 or try to figure out how to rewrite it without goto commands
23:24 Peacock RMSv4 will have a clause where you can only use GPL toilet paper
23:25 Peacock can you substitute with functions?
23:26 Peacock ugh, just had a thought about GPL toilet paper: if you use it, you must share it lol
23:26 thefamilygrog66 probably, but I'm a lazy bastard
23:26 Peacock me too lol
23:27 thefamilygrog66 when I started programming back in the early '80s, they promised me goto statements
23:27 thefamilygrog66 hahaha
23:27 NekoGloop you're expecting lua to be coded correctly
23:27 Peacock but then the gov't said there was no more money for goto statements
23:27 thefamilygrog66 no, I'm expecting minetest to use a recent version of lua
23:28 Peacock i made that complaint myself when i wanted to use bitwise operators
23:28 Peacock after that they added JIT which has them
23:29 Peacock ideally 5.2 or default and bundle JIT
23:30 Peacock its a real pisser to use features that are present in one but not the other
23:30 VanessaE minetest uses 5.1 or LuaJIT depending on which you're using.
23:30 thefamilygrog66 LuaJIT not found, using bundled Lua.
23:31 thefamilygrog66 goddammit
23:31 VanessaE thefamilygrog66: maybe you need a -dev package
23:31 thefamilygrog66 I need a freakin beer
23:31 Exio4 you need a bear
23:31 NekoGloop You need a cocaine bear
23:32 * Peacock hands a beer
23:32 thefamilygrog66 not into cocaine, nor bears
23:32 thefamilygrog66 thanks chief
23:32 Peacock http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20​12/175/b/9/magua_from___the_last_of_​the_mohicans___by_s3lwyn-d54ni35.jpg
23:32 thefamilygrog66 I'm going out shortly to play a gig. There will be beers
23:33 Peacock i always need beer when it comes to MT/linux stuff
23:33 Peacock There's a reason Hans Reiser went nuts and whacked his wife :P
23:33 NekoGloop That's the only way the design choices make sense, Peacock.
23:34 thefamilygrog66 why you no find luajit library, mt?
23:35 Peacock i had that problem on debian
23:35 Peacock i finally downloaded the package from a newer repo and installed that system-wide
23:36 Peacock this is for winows?
23:36 Peacock *windows
23:36 thefamilygrog66 nah, stupuntu
23:36 Peacock how did you get/install jit?
23:37 thefamilygrog66 ubuntu software centre
23:37 Peacock and do you have libluajit-dev?
23:37 Peacock (or something to that effect with -dev at the end)
23:37 thefamilygrog66 I don't know
23:37 Peacock got synaptic?
23:37 thefamilygrog66 LuaJIT 2.0.0-beta9
23:37 thefamilygrog66 that's all she wrote
23:37 Peacock try this in term
23:38 Peacock sudo apt-get install libluajit-5.1-dev
23:38 Peacock (i could write a book "The Joys of Linux and Fine Wine") :P
23:38 thefamilygrog66 haha
23:38 thefamilygrog66 it's installing it
23:39 Peacock try recompiling after that, it should find jit
23:39 Peacock if it doesn't, try a sledgehammer :P
23:39 thefamilygrog66 hey it found luajit this time
23:40 thefamilygrog66 thanks!
23:40 Peacock thought so, i was in the exact same bind last time lol
23:40 Peacock np :P
23:40 thefamilygrog66 compiling right now
23:40 thefamilygrog66 I guess I should get ready for my gig
23:40 thefamilygrog66 hmm
23:41 VanessaE have fun
23:41 Peacock more beer?
23:41 thefamilygrog66 once I'm there yes
23:41 thefamilygrog66 thanks V
23:41 Peacock haha lol nice
23:41 thefamilygrog66 rock 'n' roll
23:41 Peacock in a bar i once asked for a quadruple rum and coke, there was barely any coke in the glass :S
23:41 thefamilygrog66 we're called Thee Lost Cause
23:42 Peacock Thee, christian rock?
23:42 thefamilygrog66 4 guys in their late 30s/early 40s playing '60s garage punk
23:42 Peacock nb
23:42 thefamilygrog66 yes, we're very holy
23:42 Peacock lol
23:42 thefamilygrog66 haha
23:43 thefamilygrog66 nah, there are a tonne of bands with the same name, so I added THEE to differentiate us a bit
23:43 thefamilygrog66 stupid bands and their names
23:43 Peacock im very holy too, last time i took catechism, i gave my name as Jesus Christ, was kicked out for the rest of the year lol
23:43 thefamilygrog66 it's pronounced "HAY-zoos"
23:44 Peacock Ohh i thought Thee was a typo lol
23:44 thefamilygrog66 done compiling, let's try this again
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23:47 thefamilygrog66 damn
23:47 Peacock it verks?
23:47 NekoGloop it twerks?
23:48 thefamilygrog66 it's shaking its ass at me, but it's not working
23:48 thefamilygrog66 oh well, I'll try this again later
23:48 khonkhortisan it uses its it's correctly
23:48 NekoGloop it twerks!
23:48 Peacock verks = german, twerks = american lol
23:49 Peacock one pays, the other costs you :P
23:49 thefamilygrog66 back later folks - thanks again for the info
23:50 Peacock have fun
23:51 Peacock hmm, its rapidly becoming obvious i dont have enough nodes to fill the mall with
23:56 VanessaE you?  not having enough nodes?  HAH!
23:56 Peacock 2/4 wings should cover it, and i have 3 more floors lol
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