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00:40 yyamiyyugi Hello, This question may be dumb, but I was looking at a mod and it said it requires "farming (minetest)
00:41 yyamiyyugi *" is that a seperate mod or somthing?
00:41 yyamiyyugi ^^hit enter before I finished typing
00:44 ShadowNinja yyamiyyugi: Farming is in the default game now.
00:44 ShadowNinja Not sure if it is in stable.
00:46 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, it is in 0.4.7
00:48 yyamiyyugi ok, Also I have ran into a couple mods where it failes to load and run the "init.lua" file for the mod, is this a common problem?
00:49 yyamiyyugi *fails
00:49 PilzAdam yyamiyyugi, look at debug.txt
00:49 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5073
00:49 Exio4 night
00:51 yyamiyyugi The Debug says the same thing as the console?
00:51 ShadowNinja yyamiyyugi: If you are running 0.4.7 a number of mods require a recent dev version as it has been a while since the last release. Or your modders are lazy and don't test their code before pushing it.
00:51 yyamiyyugi oh, so I need to look for an older version then?
00:52 Exio4 newer
00:52 PilzAdam yyamiyyugi, there are thousands of reasons why a mod would fail to load and run
00:52 PilzAdam the mod authors need the info from debug.txt to find and fix the possible bug
00:54 yyamiyyugi so post on the bugs and problems or the mod post?
00:55 PilzAdam the mod topic
00:55 yyamiyyugi ok, will do
00:55 yyamiyyugi Thanks
00:55 VanessaE bbl
00:57 yyamiyyugi oh XD PilzAdam It's your nether mod that i'm having the problem with
00:57 PilzAdam then you can use pastebin and give me the link here
00:57 yyamiyyugi ok one sec
00:58 yyamiyyugi http://pastebin.com/gHhYTbWB
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00:58 yyamiyyugi thats what it says in the Debug/console
00:58 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6450
01:00 yyamiyyugi so a folder is named incorrectly?
01:00 PilzAdam yes, the mod folder needs to be called "nether"
01:01 yyamiyyugi wow, I feel stupid
01:01 yyamiyyugi Thank you again for the help
01:09 khonkhortisan How do I escape a singlequote in markdown?
01:13 khonkhortisan meh I read it already
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01:23 Peacock finally, got the whipped cream, the car battery, and cheese grater :D
01:24 proller khonkhortisan, please rebase vertical_particles
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01:43 PilzAdam bye
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01:44 hoodedice Hey
01:44 hoodedice In my whois on irc
01:44 hoodedice How do I hide my IP that shows up after the @
01:59 ShadowNinja hoodedice: Get a cloak or use tor.
02:00 hoodedice Mortal language?
02:00 yyamiyyugi so a server has to have the mods not the client?
02:00 hoodedice I know tor, but what is this strange contraption called 'cloak'?
02:00 ShadowNinja If you use a cloak make sure you use SASL.
02:00 ShadowNinja A cloak is also known as a VHOST or Virtual Host.
02:01 ShadowNinja A fake host/ip.
02:01 hoodedice Oh that !
02:02 hoodedice Talk about it to someone who's lived in the UAE, when Skype was banned
02:03 hoodedice Well, I found it on freenode, guess it's the same thing you did
02:05 khonkhortisan mods are loaded by the server
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02:06 hoodedice So...
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02:49 leo_rockway hoodedice: you can get a generic cloak. Ask in... #freenode I believe.
02:49 leo_rockway mine is "unaffiliated"
02:49 hoodedice Doing that
02:49 leo_rockway cloaks are usually used for projects.
02:49 hoodedice I'm at freenode, but there are no staffers around
02:49 leo_rockway it's Friday night. They're probably getting drunk o.o
02:50 hoodedice lol
02:55 khonkhortisan if I wore an affiliated cloak I would be advertising in other channels
02:56 khonkhortisan rebasing vertical particles, I got the player name as the texture
02:57 khonkhortisan ah, just a missing argument
03:00 leo_rockway I've been trying MC lately. There's not a lot of stuff I miss when going back to MT. I do miss the responsiveness of MT when playing MC, though.
03:01 hoodedice ...
03:01 leo_rockway mobs, running and water pushing the player. Those would be the features i miss.
03:01 khonkhortisan responsiveness is a good thing
03:01 hoodedice Thy shalt not play Minecrap
03:01 leo_rockway I have to play with "short" rendering distance in MC
03:01 khonkhortisan How don't we have running?
03:01 leo_rockway I can see everything the light touches, it's our kingdom in MT.
03:02 leo_rockway khonkhortisan: we have "running" privilege.
03:02 hoodedice Press j or k
03:02 leo_rockway which is off by default.
03:02 hoodedice Walk with e pressed
03:02 leo_rockway and it doesn't have a pretty FOV o.o
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03:02 khonkhortisan Which program is running missing from?
03:02 hoodedice ?
03:02 hoodedice SWAT 4 doesnt have running
03:02 leo_rockway just comparing the running feature from MC and MT. I like the way MC does it better.
03:03 khonkhortisan ah, I thought it was the other way
03:03 hoodedice Ofc, when we reach 1.0.0
03:03 hoodedice We'll be better than MC
03:03 leo_rockway yes, MT is WAY better with responsiveness
03:03 hoodedice *When we*
03:03 leo_rockway which matters more to me.
03:03 leo_rockway I'm just anxious >.<
03:03 leo_rockway I really want mobs. I play survival. Not much to do in survival in MT right now.
03:03 hoodedice v7 is already a better mapgen (citation needed)
03:04 khonkhortisan I really want a cross-server worldedit, I play creative mesecnos.
03:04 leo_rockway I like MT mapgen. I have no complaints there.
03:04 hoodedice C++ is already a better codebase
03:04 leo_rockway mhm
03:04 leo_rockway I dislike Java.
03:04 khonkhortisan I dislike svn.
03:04 hoodedice And lua is already a non-hacky simple to use awesomeness redefined modding lingo
03:05 leo_rockway I just want mobs already :S
03:05 khonkhortisan lua is missing the C++ 3d math
03:05 hoodedice brb
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03:06 hoodedice back
03:06 hoodedice YAAAAY !! I got cloaked !
03:06 leo_rockway indeed
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03:07 hoodedice So I can change nicks and bug people now *Muhahahaha*
03:07 hoodedice Sup, Pea?
03:07 Peacock wifi interference lol
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03:09 khonkhortisan You joined as your ip, then as your cloak, then as your cloak.
03:09 Peacock who me?
03:09 khonkhortisan hood
03:09 khonkhortisan one join late on noticing the cloak
03:10 Peacock wifi analyzer says best channel 14, but the router only goes up to 12 :(
03:10 hoodedice ooh
03:11 hoodedice I miss shawarma *Sob*
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03:14 leo_rockway oh, I definitely miss shift+click when crafting stuff. I like that feature from MC.
03:14 Peacock dont know who this BELL738 fella is, but i'll have to get Worf to find him and kill him XD
03:14 Peacock honor is at stake
03:15 Peacock there are like 4 networks on the same channel lol reception must be greeeat
03:16 hoodedice Someone hacked your wifi?
03:16 Peacock not hacked, just too much interference from too many near networks
03:17 Peacock whats a good wifi analyzer for linux?
03:19 leo_rockway wireshark o.o
03:19 leo_rockway but that's probably not what you're looking for
03:20 Peacock well i need something better than android's, it keeps recommending a different "best channel" on every scan lol
03:22 leo_rockway swscanner, maybe
03:22 leo_rockway but that might be more for wardriving.
03:22 leo_rockway and I never used it
03:25 khonkhortisan I saw one that had an arc for each signal
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03:47 hoodedice I just wanted to make an icon pack
03:47 hoodedice Never knew it was so much work to just set up !
03:47 us|0gb I didn't even know Minetest had icon packs. Are those new?
03:50 hoodedice Offtopic : Android dev
03:55 us|0gb SO you're making an Android icon pack? That sounds cool.
03:55 us|0gb *So
04:01 Peacock smartphones suck :p
04:05 khonkhortisan dumbphones blow :b
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04:08 us|0gb I like land line phones myself.
04:09 Peacock 3 years of android and im ready to go back to dumbphones lol
04:12 Peacock no wonder my wifi sucks, some douche is operating a hotspot in the pub downstairs
04:13 Peacock (same channel)
04:14 [0gb_us] Oh, that's fun.
04:14 Peacock well im using his/her's now, had an easier time connecting to that one lol
04:14 [0gb_us] More powerful signal?
04:16 Peacock guess so, my router's not the most expensive model lol got it on sale for 20$
04:17 Peacock bought it for my last employer actually, but they never reimbursed me so i left with it lol
04:18 [0gb_us] Did they use it while you were there?
04:19 Peacock store needed one - though considering i was still missing my christmas pay 3 months after the holidays, i didn't trust them to pay me back for the router either lol
04:22 hoodedice Not my icons
04:22 hoodedice Just making the apk
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04:44 hoodedice I now understand.
04:45 hoodedice If an application takes too long to load, even on ubuntu
04:45 hoodedice It's high time you switch to an SSD
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05:16 nore hi all
05:17 khonkhortisan hello
05:17 OldCoder Hi
05:17 VanessaE hi
05:17 khonkhortisan rebasing a branch to master is much easier when the branch only has one extra commit
05:26 * OldCoder will attempt to build the new MT shortly
05:27 VanessaE OldCoder: it'll build just fine, whether that leveldb patch still works, idk :)
05:29 OldCoder We shall see soon
05:36 nore I didn't understand what is leveldb for?
05:38 VanessaE nore:  a more robust database backend than what we use now (sqlite)
05:38 nore when you say more robust, you mean, not limited by map size?
05:38 OldCoder nore, Hi...
05:38 OldCoder nore, Yes
05:38 VanessaE less prone to errors, faster
05:38 nore hi OldCoder
05:38 OldCoder It removes the 4GB limit and is faster and has less corruption
05:39 OldCoder nore o/
05:39 VanessaE OldCoder: recall it isn't so much a limit as a point at which glitches are likely
05:39 VanessaE (the effect is the same though)
05:39 nore and why is it so complicated?
05:40 VanessaE nore: it isn't.  the patch for it sat around forever before anyone decided to give it sufficient attention, now it has to be rebased
05:40 sfan5 khonkhortisan: it dependson the size of the commit
05:40 VanessaE nore: same old story really
05:40 sfan5 hi everone
05:40 sfan5 *everyone
05:40 VanessaE hey sfan
05:40 nore moreover, it doesn't work on all OSs does it?
05:40 OldCoder sfan5, Hi
05:40 nore hi sfan5
05:40 OldCoder nore, You are corret
05:40 OldCoder correct *
05:40 OldCoder I will convert my worlds to SQLite3 for export to Windows
05:40 OldCoder But the home base ought to be scalable and reliable
05:41 nore You read in my mind ;) You answered to question I was going to ask
05:41 OldCoder Very well
05:42 OldCoder sfan5, You asked me a question earlier... I had to go into several hours of meetings... There is a well-known MT network problem that makes media load at a crawl. Therefore people hate Ambience. But some think it is good.
05:43 VanessaE OldCoder: kahrl is working on that.  http_fetch
05:43 Peacock switch to midi music :p
05:43 OldCoder Peacock, VanessaE thanks
05:43 sfan5 thats not an MT network problem, but try remote_media
05:43 OldCoder * sfan5 suggests mesecons and worldedit rights for approved people
05:43 sfan5 Peacock: minetest can't read midi
05:43 OldCoder All right ^ sfan5
05:43 VanessaE sfan5: remote_media in its current state is unreliable.
05:44 sfan5 VanessaE: I know..
05:44 kahrl yeah httpfetch includes lots of improvements to remote_media support
05:44 OldCoder sfan5, It is said to be a MT problem; in fact C55 and I discussed solutions. But thank you.
05:44 Peacock personally i dont like background music, the more you play, the more redundant it gets
05:44 kahrl it doesn't change the minetest protocol based media fetch at all
05:44 OldCoder Peacock, I will provide worlds of both types
05:44 sfan5 even if its unreliable it is faster
05:44 OldCoder And there ought to be an option to turn it on or off
05:44 VanessaE sfan5: no, I mean completely unreliable - as in texture files get lost, too
05:45 sfan5 OldCoder: ..forget  the "thats not an MT network problem, but " part
05:45 Peacock you could turn off music with a chat cmd and a simple table[user], though everyone still downloads the songs
05:46 kahrl there are games that don't have a set soundtrack but actual streaming radio
05:47 OldCoder git://github.com/minebest/minetest.git
05:47 OldCoder Will this get me LevelDB now?
05:47 kahrl I mean the DJs still keep playing the same music but they wouldn't have to :P
05:47 OldCoder Yep
05:47 Peacock well, when i play i either got tv or music playing on the other computer, though that doesn't need to be builtin to mt
05:48 OldCoder Shall I git clone the standard repo?
05:48 kahrl yeah you could just run a VLC in background
05:48 OldCoder Ambience has sound effects
05:48 OldCoder Not just music
05:49 Peacock id say keep the sound effects, toss the music, much lighter that way
05:49 OldCoder Possible
05:49 sfan5 OldCoder: "git://github.com/sfan5/minetest" "git checkout leveldb"
05:49 OldCoder sfan5, proceeding t y
05:49 OldCoder I know you posted the link before; thanks for reposting
05:49 Peacock if leveldb gets merged, what happens to old worlds, will there be a converter, or theyll both be supported?
05:50 OldCoder Peacock, Both SQLite3 and LevelDB are supported but I convert SQLite3 worlds
05:50 OldCoder And I convert them back when people wish copies
05:50 Peacock is that easy to do?
05:51 OldCoder Pretty easy
05:51 OldCoder Slow but simple
05:52 OldCoder sfan5, I did the two commands; 2nd one in the minetest folder created by the first
05:52 OldCoder Do I need to do something else to pull the branch?
05:52 sfan5 OldCoder: what does the first line of "git status" say?
05:53 OldCoder # on branch leveldb
05:53 sfan5 perfect
05:53 sfan5 if "stat src/leveldb" succeeds everything is right
05:53 OldCoder The sources came in with the initial clone?
05:53 OldCoder Checking
05:53 sfan5 yes
05:53 OldCoder The folder is there
05:54 OldCoder I shall attempt the build now; excuse me
05:54 sfan5 don't forget "-DENABLE_LEVELDB=1" when building
05:54 OldCoder Yes
05:54 OldCoder I will indicate problems. bbiab.
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06:07 VanessaE can someone tell me why I don't follow hackaday?  there's some really cool shit on this site.
06:07 * VanessaE just watched a few-years-old video of a guy making his own vacuum tubes.
06:07 [0gb_us] Maybe because you are too busy?
06:08 Peacock im watching news bloopers lol
06:08 OldCoder Compiled MT... I assume I need to clone the latest MT "game"
06:08 VanessaE yes
06:08 [0gb_us] I just compiled too for an experiment. Which failed, by the way.
06:09 VanessaE but get my game ( http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa​/hobbies/minetest/VanessaE_Game.tar.bz2 ) and make this tweak:   https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?pid=99717#p99717   ..if you really wanna stress-test it :D
06:09 VanessaE (recommend a value of 0x7fff for the tweak)
06:10 OldCoder VanessaE, Is your game generic? I will add it later
06:10 VanessaE OldCoder: definitely not
06:10 OldCoder Wait then
06:10 VanessaE it's quite full-features, though it lacks any sort of "direction" as others here might define it
06:11 OldCoder Why is minetest_game only 16KB?
06:11 VanessaE I get 5.3M for the whole repo
06:11 VanessaE (including all of the history)
06:12 OldCoder Why is minetest_game only 16KB?
06:12 OldCoder Is this correct?
06:12 VanessaE about 3M without the history, so no
06:12 VanessaE no clue why unless you didn't clone it right?
06:13 OldCoder It unzips fine
06:14 VanessaE ehm
06:14 VanessaE I never use the zip
06:14 OldCoder I wgetted the C55 master ZIP
06:14 [0gb_us] I usually wget the .tar.gz.
06:14 OldCoder Link?
06:14 VanessaE oh no
06:14 VanessaE not the c55 one.
06:14 OldCoder Comment further
06:14 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game
06:14 VanessaE this one.
06:14 OldCoder Wait then
06:15 VanessaE (and this one for the main repo, https://github.com/minetest/minetest )
06:15 OldCoder sfan indicated use his one
06:15 VanessaE c55's isn't the master repo anymore
06:16 OldCoder ZIP is now 1MB
06:16 [0gb_us] Do you know where air, ignore, and unknown are defined? The stuff in nodedef.cpp seems to not be the real definition.
06:16 nore [0gb_us], in misc_register.lua, IIRC
06:17 [0gb_us] The stuff in the lua isn't it either, and it points me at the C++.
06:17 VanessaE OldCoder: 1MB sounds better
06:17 OldCoder Working on this
06:17 OldCoder I assume all the mods will break
06:17 [0gb_us] If I overwrite the stuff in Lua, the server ignores most of it.
06:17 nore there is minetest.register_node(":ignore",...)
06:17 nore etc
06:18 sfan5 OldCoder: are you using sfan5/minetest and minetest/minetest_game ?
06:18 OldCoder Yes
06:18 [0gb_us] I tried that. That isn't it. If I change those definitions in that Lua file, the game ignores my changes.
06:18 nore what did you try to change?
06:19 [0gb_us] I tried making ignore walkable and visible, as well as a few other things I forget.
06:19 [0gb_us] I did the same to air as a test, still no dice.
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06:20 nore / Don't allow redefining ignore (but allow air and unknown)
06:20 nore This is a comment in nodedef.cpp
06:21 [0gb_us] As in it doesn't allow redefining from Lua, right? But I also tried redefining in nodedef.cpp. If the original data is in that file, it should have worked.
06:22 nore And modifying both?
06:22 [0gb_us] Yeah.
06:24 sfan5 would an 8x8 grid for 8 bytes memory using mesecons be compact?
06:24 nore look at itemdef.cpp
06:24 [0gb_us] I'm looking at that file right now.
06:25 nore sfan5, do you mean 8x8 horizontally?
06:25 sfan5 yes
06:25 nore with no luacontroller?
06:25 sfan5 with lua controller
06:25 [0gb_us] I don't know what a luacontroller is.
06:26 sfan5 [0gb_us]: like a microcontoller in mesecons, only programmed in lua
06:26 [0gb_us] OH! Sorry, wrong conversation, my bad.
06:26 VanessaE [0gb_us]: basically a micro controller that runs Lua in a sandbox
06:26 [0gb_us] Yeah, I've seen those. I was thinking of a C++ Lua something.
06:26 nore IIRC, I did 6x4 for 1 bit of memory without luacontroller, that can be used in RAM
06:27 nore with luacontroller, I reckon I can make 2x3 for 1 bit of memory
06:27 sfan5 nore: I can do 1x1 for 1 bit
06:27 VanessaE challenge:  using pistons, mese lamps, and solar panels, make a small amount of core memory :)
06:28 VanessaE (like the flipdot thing I saw on hackaday recently)
06:28 nore sfan5, this includes the input and adressing to make a tileable RAM
06:28 sfan5 nore: mine is tileable too you just need to add an address decoder
06:29 nore what I usually do is to add mese blocks vertically, and a decoder at the top
06:29 nore I made very compact decoders too
06:33 Peacock to when ze binary mesecons be done?
06:34 nore ?
06:34 sfan5 nore: 8 bytes memory http://i.imgur.com/grKFxqs.png
06:35 VanessaE sfan5: um...daytime? :)
06:35 VanessaE still, nice
06:35 Peacock i mean, any plans to built-in the basic wiring logic?
06:35 nore sfan5, do you know where ignore is defined?
06:35 sfan5 signal is transferred (per luacontroller) Pin D -> Pin B and Pin A <-> Pin C
06:35 VanessaE Peacock: it would be nice, but afaik there are no active plans for suc
06:35 VanessaE such*
06:36 nore you mean merging mesecons in minetest_game?
06:36 sfan5 if you power one line on the left the 8 luacontrollers in the line will output their state to pin b
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06:36 nore I reckon it would be good
06:36 VanessaE sounds almost like RAS/CAS addressing
06:36 sfan5 if you power one line on the right the 8 luacontrollers in the line will set their state to pin d
06:37 nore sfan5, I see how it works
06:37 Peacock the nodes and machines and shit would still be lua side, but the logic itself built-in could be reused for all sorts of wires/pipes and stuff
06:37 sfan5 nore: how do you build a small address decoder? (I know how to do one, but not small..)
06:38 nore FYI, I use 1 Y-level for each bit in the address
06:39 nore and if you want to see one, look at my computer in the mesecons competition 3.0
06:39 sfan5 I need a horizontal one
06:39 nore sfan5, 1 Y-level high, or can it be multiple?
06:40 sfan5 multiple but the outputs need to be on the ground
06:40 nore the idea is to make it tileable
06:40 nore the lowest levels are the hardest to do
06:42 nore and is there any condition for the spacing of outputs?
06:42 * OldCoder continues to work on update
06:42 khonkhortisan pong proller any more to rebase?
06:46 nore sfan5?
06:51 OldCoder nore, VanessaE, sfan5... as expected I will need to tidy up mods... PANIC unprotected error in call to LUA API. This happens in craft_guide for Zegaton.
06:51 OldCoder Comments?
06:52 VanessaE I use technic's craft guide, but it's also busted (it, or the engine, is screwing up the actual recipes being reported/displayed)
06:52 OldCoder Fine; so just drop it?
06:52 VanessaE some of your users might complain..
06:52 OldCoder What is the recommendation?
06:53 VanessaE imho drop it for now
06:53 OldCoder Dropped it and now MESECONS panics
06:53 VanessaE re-install later when a working version is found/made
06:53 OldCoder This is likely to take a few weeks :-)
06:53 VanessaE just update mesecons
06:53 OldCoder proceeding
06:53 Peacock these dang craft guides never seem to work for long lol
06:55 OldCoder VanessaE, do you still recommend rm -fr mesecons_commandblock?
06:55 VanessaE I don't have that on mine, imho it's not really safe to use
06:56 OldCoder yes
06:56 nore sfan5, I have a 2 Y-level high version, with 2 nodes width for each adressing bit, and outputs next to one another
06:56 VanessaE butidk how well-sandboxed it is
06:56 VanessaE it may be safe now
06:56 nore VanessaE, it is not craftable for now
06:57 nore and it can only run commands the owner has privileges for
06:57 sfan5 nore: spacing: each one right next to eachother
06:58 nore for the outputs or the inputs?
06:58 sfan5 outputs
06:59 nore ok, it is done
06:59 sfan5 inputs would be nice but is not needed
06:59 nore I fear it is not possible for inputs
06:59 nore or we need vertical gates
07:00 sfan5 no ,its ok
07:00 nore FYI, the last adressing level is different from the others, so there is 1 more space
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07:03 OldCoder Hmm. I updated mesecons and still getting a panic. Reviewing further.
07:04 OldCoder Ah
07:05 nore http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?ac602a737dc21248​#M3yI5vDcgzDzf1yxr+1wccFA27YeoHeENBlKII0LYYA=
07:05 nore sfan5: ^ this is a WE schematic
07:06 sfan5 :P You don't need to tell the creator of WorldEdit that it is a WE schematic
07:06 nore you have 2 levels of decoder, for the following ones, just do like the second level
07:07 OldCoder Has cornernote's craft_guide been updated by anybody?
07:07 VanessaE zeg9's is only a couple months old
07:08 VanessaE https://github.com/Zeg9/mi​netest-zcg/commits/master
07:08 VanessaE ( https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=108355#p108355 )
07:08 VanessaE note its depends
07:08 OldCoder Sapier has done it
07:08 OldCoder Hm
07:08 OldCoder Looking at Zeg9's
07:10 Peacock how many craft guides are there?
07:10 sfan5 !c 2^3
07:10 MinetestBot 8
07:11 Peacock damn lol why not just 1 built-in that actually works, attached 'g'? lol
07:12 VanessaE Peacock: would be nice, for sure
07:13 Peacock i dont get though why registered crafts doesn't work
07:13 VanessaE dunno
07:13 VanessaE something broken about how groups are interpreted I guess
07:13 Peacock weird
07:13 Peacock well you can always edit builtins' register_craft to make a table of crafts for the guide
07:13 VanessaE homdecor recipes register black dye for example, but show as needing LIME in the craft guide
07:14 Peacock so why not just copy and store the craft tables at register?
07:15 VanessaE when last I knew there was no graceful way to capture everything
07:16 khonkhortisan the way to capture everything is to load last
07:17 khonkhortisan ingracefully
07:17 Peacock hrmpf, register_craft aint in builtin
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07:18 Peacock well, you can always store minetest.register_craft to another variable, overide it, copy the craft, then call the original function (that you put in another var)
07:19 VanessaE that would work provided you could get your hook in ahead of *everything* else
07:19 VanessaE else you'll miss some recipes
07:20 nore yes, so you should call the mod aaa_whatever
07:20 VanessaE technic's craft guide used to have such a thing
07:20 Peacock stick it in builtin, i assume that loads before any of the mods
07:20 VanessaE it was deprecated when the get-craft-recipes call was added to the API, and for a while, that worked pretty well
07:20 VanessaE (I think)
07:20 Peacock for a while :P
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07:20 VanessaE then something..... broke.\
07:21 Peacock now we gots a dozen broken craft guides lol
07:22 Peacock either way i stopped bothering coming up with crafts after a 100 or so nodes lol
07:22 khonkhortisan you either have to be first or last, or depending on what you're doing, both.
07:22 Peacock heck i cant even remember my own address, and ive only had four of those in the last few years lol
07:23 VanessaE nore: in fact technic's hook was aaa_recipeshook
07:24 nore sfan5, did it work?
07:25 sfan5 yes
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07:26 nore what will you be doing with it?
07:26 Peacock god hates me https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7777300992/h417D6DE4/
07:26 VanessaE heh
07:26 sfan5 address decoder for the memory
07:27 nore and wait, it should be possible to make it even smaller with luacontrollers...
07:27 khonkhortisan lolhaha nice cloud
07:27 khonkhortisan I saw the light rays first though
07:27 nore sfan5, but what is that memory for?
07:27 sfan5 dunno
07:27 sfan5 I'll see
07:29 Peacock boneless watermelon https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7771085824/h93CB000C/
07:29 OldCoder Looks like I'll need to update a lot of mods... falling asleep... will try this over the next few weeks
07:29 OldCoder Night
07:31 e1z0 good dayĄ
07:31 e1z0 good day!*
07:32 Peacock i think thats goodnight :P
07:38 e1z0 how to run minetest in directx mode ?
07:42 sfan5 e1z0: "video_driver = direct3d9" in minetest.conf
07:42 e1z0 oh
07:42 e1z0 thanks
07:43 e1z0 i'm learining the source code of minetest, maybe some day i will make fork of it
07:43 e1z0 :|
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07:48 Peacock i will make spoon of minetest :D
07:49 e1z0 hmm
07:49 e1z0 it says that directx support was not compiled
07:49 e1z0 do i need directx sdk,  and recompile mintest for that ?
07:53 VanessaE think I'll head off to bed.  night all.
07:53 Calinou night VanessaE
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08:13 OldCoder Back for a couple of minutes before asleep. Should I update Technic or did RBA branch in some way that is not compatible with current?
08:13 OldCoder Zzz
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08:14 Calinou night OldCoder
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09:01 xiong Please help with flowers; I don't understand a bit of them. I know I can convert them into dyes but I'm at wits end to understand propagation.
09:05 xiong Is it not possible to grow flowers? Am I limited to gathering wildflowers?
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09:49 john_minetest Hello everypony!
09:50 * Calinou tips horn
10:00 xiong Hi.
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11:29 FreeFull xiong: I think you just have to plant the flowers and wait for them to spread
11:32 xiong Planted. Been waiting. No joy.
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11:34 nore Flowers don't spread IIRC
11:34 nore hi Jordach!
11:35 xiong They do generate somehow. Not all flowers were created at time of chunk creation, I think. My area is overgrown with reds and no matter how many I take, I see more.
11:36 nore sorry, they do
11:37 nore each 50 seconds and with a 1/25 chance for each flower, it will spread if the conditions are met
11:37 xiong Ah... conditions?
11:38 xiong Tell me about these conditions. Even better, point me to some docs.
11:38 nore https://github.com/minetest/minetest_gam​e/blob/master/mods/flowers/init.lua#L138
11:38 nore from there to the end of the file
11:38 xiong I'm starting to get pretty annoyed at the no-docs policy.
11:38 xiong That's not docs; that's code.
11:39 xiong The policy is based on the theory that if you want to play the game, you need to learn how to develop the game.
11:39 nore yes, but there is nothing else ;)
11:39 FreeFull xiong: That's not really true
11:39 nore and the code is pretty self-explainatory
11:39 nore and we need people to write the wiki...
11:39 FreeFull It's pretty easy to play minetest without ever developing it
11:40 xiong There is something else; it's called "documentation" and you should write it as you write the code. Now I need to say I have a few decades of engineering experience and no matter what I build, I write and draw documentation for it.
11:40 nore but to be simple, the conditions are:
11:40 nore light level >=13
11:40 nore less than 3 flowers in a 4 nodes radius
11:41 nore no flower-blocking node in that radius
11:41 xiong Okay, that second condition is the tricky one. So it's impossible to grow the things densely; and in fact you want to leave huge room around each starter plant.
11:41 KikaRz !seen Telek
11:41 KikaRz anyone seen telek around here?
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11:42 nore when I say less than, it is less than or equal, including the flower that is growing
11:42 xiong That's the key, Nore; thanks. I'll rearrange my fields. In fact, due to the huge land requirement, I'll look to push this off to a new and distant field.
11:43 nore KikaRz, I did not see him, nor did MinetestBot
11:43 xiong Well, put a starter every 5 meters, because it's easier to count that way; and be prepared to thin frequently. I'll work it out.
11:44 xiong Thanks again, I can't wait. Unfortunately I'm off quarrying desert stone.
11:44 nore and about flower blocking nodes, I do not know any of these
11:44 xiong I got iron ore in desert stone just now. In many months of play I have never, ever gotten ore in desert stone.
11:44 nore xiong, what mods have you installed?
11:45 xiong Well, let's just say I'll avoid everything except air.
11:45 Jordach xiong, gloopores adds that
11:45 nore flowers need grass to grow
11:45 xiong Eh? Oh, sorry, this is the general channel. I got the iron in King Arthur's.
11:46 xiong I'm going to think you mean dirt_with_grass.
11:46 nore yes, of course
11:46 xiong I'm sure it'll be a snap, now that I understand about the requirement for sparse planting.
11:47 xiong What's the maximum amount of mods anyone has been able to run at one time?
11:48 xiong Some must be incompatible so I won't ask if anyone has ever run "all" together.
11:50 nore there is no real maximum, but you need to change the max number of defined nodes in the code if you really want to add a lot of mods
11:51 xiong Hm. There may be no limit but there must be a greatest number that have actually been run at one time without smoke spilling from the vents.
11:51 xiong No matter; it's an idle question.
11:53 xiong I'd rather talk about "lag". That's the popular name for it but of course network latency is not really the issue. No matter what's done, it will be possible sometimes to perform enough actions quickly enough that you have to wait for the server to catch up; and that's not really a problem nor is it much correctable.
11:54 xiong What concerns me is "lagback", where an action is taken away and never performed at all; or taken away and then eventually performed after all. Is anybody working on this core issue?
11:54 xiong I don't know but I smell the influence of someone whose day job is writing financial transactions code who thinks in ACID terms.
11:56 xiong I know there's no money in this but it's impossible for me to see an engineering issue and not think about it.
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12:00 john_minetest The mod downloading page is a bit slow
12:01 john_minetest The builtin one.
12:04 KikaRz where is telek? :(
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12:06 Evergreen I just posted my 1000th post on the forums.   Yay
12:07 KikaRz Yay. Now what? Want a cookie?
12:07 KikaRz -.-
12:08 john_minetest Evergreen has a cookie already.
12:09 john_minetest He has to take a cookie to log on the forum.
12:09 Evergreen Aww....
12:09 Jordach Evergreen, IRC more often, it's boring without you :(
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12:09 Evergreen Thank you, I guess
12:09 * Calinou has 816 billion cookies
12:09 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
12:09 Evergreen I just have been forgetting to go on irc, idk why
12:10 Evergreen Hi PilzAdam
12:10 Jordach Evergreen, have you made tools for faithful
12:10 Evergreen Yes, quite a while ago actually
12:11 Jordach Evergreen, i had some 32x tools in my own repo
12:11 Evergreen Link?
12:11 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/Fa​ithful_Minetest_Texture_Pack
12:11 * Jordach did it first
12:12 Evergreen I might They are nice textures, but "faithful" isn't really the word to describe the tools
12:12 Jordach Evergreen, i just fucked up on the axes
12:13 PilzAdam Evergreen, nice, you have 1000 posts now
12:13 Evergreen Don't get me wrong, the tools are nice, but they aren't really faithful to default
12:13 Evergreen Thanks PilzAdam
12:16 john_minetest Calinou: In the cookie game I have infinite cookies.
12:16 john_minetest And infinite lollipops.
12:17 john_minetest I love firebug.
12:18 Calinou there are no lollipops...
12:19 Jordach > a little bit of ms paint.
12:19 Jordach I AM DISSAPOINT.
12:19 * Jordach spotted john_minetest playing on VE-Survival
12:19 john_minetest Playing faithful texturepack now
12:20 Jordach who's
12:20 john_minetest The one you posted
12:20 Jordach it doesnt even support modern minetest, last commit was 8 months sgo
12:20 Jordach ago*
12:21 PilzAdam Jordach, wut? https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=109440#p109440
12:21 PilzAdam "rewrite the nodeboxes" why?
12:21 Jordach PilzAdam, because Graphics Engine differences
12:22 Jordach not to mention different co-ord conversions
12:22 thexyz anyone with a spare 1gbps server?
12:22 Jordach nope nope nope
12:22 PilzAdam Jordach, why would you change the API if you switch the graphic engine
12:22 thexyz for a day or two
12:22 PilzAdam doesnt really make sense to me
12:23 Jordach PilzAdam, nodeboxes are explicitly tied to Irrlicht
12:23 PilzAdam so what? write a wrapper to support the current format
12:23 PilzAdam no need to break mods
12:24 Jordach PilzAdam, you expect someone to write a wrapper that's not hacky in anyway
12:25 Jordach it's too much effort for something that may not bring performance bonuses
12:26 Jordach thexyz, what are you planning
12:27 thexyz record ~7k web cams for 24 hours
12:27 Jordach oh
12:27 thexyz though 1 gbit wouldn't be enough
12:27 Jordach heh
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12:39 Evergreen I really should play on VanessaE's survival server more
12:39 Evergreen It's a great server
12:40 john_minetest Yeah.
12:40 john_minetest I am working together with webdesigner97 on an eco-friendly town near his dam.
12:40 Jordach Evergreen, WOOOO
12:41 Evergreen Something completely off-topic, I am getting about 500 million cookies per second in cookie clicker now.   :P\
12:41 Jordach holy shit
12:41 Evergreen Clickers cost abot 3 trillion cookies now
12:41 Calinou 500 million? O_o
12:42 Calinou did you keep your PC up 24/7 or use a JS clicker
12:42 Calinou I use xdotool to click when I'm not doing anything else
12:42 Calinou I have 66 million cookies/s
12:42 Evergreen It does it automatically, so I don't have to do anything except leave it going
12:42 Evergreen Are you on the classic or the new cookie clicer
12:42 Evergreen *clicker
12:42 Jordach|MT Evergreen, check your window of minetest
12:43 Evergreen It's not done loading the media yet
12:43 Jordach|MT oh
12:43 Calinou the new one
12:43 Calinou a clicker would boost the cookies you make in one second
12:43 Calinou you can still click if you gain automatic cookies
12:44 Evergreen I get about 16 millino cookies per click now
12:44 PilzAdam it crashed for me a while ago and I had no recent save
12:44 PilzAdam :-/
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12:51 john_minetest Jordach|MT: getting a new grandma every few seconds in cookie clicker :b
12:51 proller Game.cookiesPs=99999999999999999999;
12:52 john_minetest 28,4.
12:52 john_minetest 28.4
12:52 john_minetest And I don't like using JS.
12:58 nore xdotool is actually very useful... :p
12:59 Calinou yep
12:59 * Calinou has 1000 billion cookies
12:59 * Calinou buys upgrade
13:01 john_minetest Now I have infinite cookies and like 800,000 per second.
13:01 john_minetest Firebug FTW
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13:03 Calinou hi
13:03 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:04 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:05 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:05 john_minetest Nearly bought a router today.
13:06 john_minetest But then I wasn't sure if it could run linux... :D
13:06 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:06 Calinou in france you almost never use a aftermarket router
13:06 Calinou you use a "box" that your ISP gives you
13:08 john_minetest !seen zeg9
13:08 MinetestBot john_minetest: zeg9 was last seen at 2013-09-05 16:32:26 UTC on #minetest
13:08 john_minetest Calinou: Yeah, I actually only want a router so I can use it as ssh server and be on IRC 24/7.
13:12 * sfan5 doesn't have the last 10 achievements in cookie clicker (including shadow ones)
13:12 sfan5 Game.Achievement {id: 70, name: "Cheated cookies taste awful", desc: "Hack in some cookies.", icon: Array[2], won: 0…} is the one you can't get without cheating
13:13 john_minetest lol
13:13 john_minetest I cheated all the time.
13:14 Jordach|MT Evergreen, i don't need ores
13:14 Evergreen There are so many freakin ores on her server
13:15 Jordach|MT Evergreen, want Gold Chests; they're HUGE
13:15 Jordach|MT and they're lockable
13:15 Evergreen I logged out, I'll come bakc on later
13:15 * Jordach|MT probably won't be here
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13:17 Jordach|MT made two gold locked chests; come grab em
13:17 sfan5 !op
13:17 NekoGloop sfan is now over powered
13:18 Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Task of the Day: Bring fish for everykitten!
13:18 sfan5 !deop
13:18 NekoGloop yay :3
13:18 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:19 sfan5 NekoGloop: ><(((º>
13:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:19 Jordach|MT Prestotron562, use Ubuntu
13:19 * NekoGloop noms the fishy :3
13:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:19 Jordach|MT Prestotron562, or a broken USB port
13:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:20 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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13:20 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:21 sfan5 !help
13:21 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
13:21 Jordach|MT !halp
13:21 Jordach|MT sfan5, ^
13:21 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:22 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:22 Calinou yes
13:22 Calinou but not in repos
13:22 sfan5 yes
13:22 Jordach|MT Prestotron562, ubuntu has xchat by default with the identical interface
13:22 sfan5 you could just use XChat
13:22 Calinou so you gotta compile it yourself or use a PPA
13:22 * john_minetest puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head
13:22 * NekoGloop purrs >w<
13:22 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:22 Jordach|MT yes
13:22 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:22 sfan5 NekoGloop: ><((((((((º>
13:23 * Evergreen dumps a bucket of raw fish on NekoGloop's head
13:23 * NekoGloop noms the big fishy~ :3
13:23 Jordach|MT ><(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((​(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((º> for NekoGloop
13:24 * sfan5 builds a fish generator using mesecons and solar panels
13:26 FreeFull Long fish is long
13:26 sfan5 s/longcat/longfish/ you say?
13:27 FreeFull Yes
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13:28 Jordach|MT look under internet
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13:29 Calinou sudo apt-get install xchat
13:29 Calinou the end
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13:31 Evergreen I use quassel, it is quite nice
13:31 Evergreen 'I am running ubuntu with unity fyi
13:31 john_minetest you can also run weechat. it is console based iirc.
13:32 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:32 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:33 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:33 Calinou reduce sensitivity in mouse settings
13:33 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:34 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:35 Morrolan It has been packaged for several distros, and included in their repos.
13:35 Calinou an old version
13:36 Morrolan (I was quite astonished when I found out.)
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13:36 Morrolan 0.4.7 is what's packaged, I thought?
13:38 sfan5 IIRC its 0.4.4 or even older
13:38 Calinou 0.4.6 iirc
13:39 Exio4 no idea in ubuntu
13:39 Exio4 but sid has 0.4.7
13:39 sfan5 ..
13:39 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:39 sfan5 the Ubuntu Software Center has 0.3.1
13:39 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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13:39 Exio4 http://packages.debian.org/sid/minetest
13:40 sfan5 Prestotron562: thats because linux doesn't have all shit installed your computer manufactor installs on windows
13:40 Morrolan sfan5: Huh, I was under the assumption that the software center was just a fancy frontend to apt. Guess I'm wrong.
13:41 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:41 Morrolan Oh, Ubuntu's repos just contain outdated versions. Boo!
13:41 Calinou blame debian
13:41 Morrolan Just that Sid has 0.4.7. :P
13:42 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:42 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:42 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:43 Morrolan Calinou: What Linux distro do you use, again? :P
13:44 Morrolan I only remember a few which you don't like. *snrk*
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13:44 Calinou Xubuntu 13.04
13:44 Morrolan Ah. :)
13:44 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:44 Calinou yes
13:44 Calinou except if DLLs are involved
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13:45 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:45 Morrolan xChat is identical to what? :)
13:46 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:46 Morrolan Ah, xChat Linux to xChat Windows?
13:46 Morrolan Ah.
13:46 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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13:46 Morrolan Just buy a new one. :P
13:46 Morrolan What does it do, anyway?
13:47 Calinou what laptop do you have, Prestotron562
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13:47 Prestotron562 [deleted]
13:47 Morrolan Heh.
13:47 Morrolan Time for a new one, then. :)
13:47 Morrolan Warranty?
13:48 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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13:51 Calinou if you don't want your battery to die, shut it down
13:59 john_minetest Lol, crashed in flightgear. Computer says: "terrain! terrain! terrain!"
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14:19 OldCoder john_minetest, Hi. I rebuilt MT last night. Not changing running servers yet. It appears I need to update lots of mods.
14:19 dysoco Not checked Minetest in a couple months, anything new?
14:19 OldCoder dysoco, A new release IIRC
14:20 OldCoder And LevelDB is now available
14:20 Exio4 dysoco: depends of what you mean by new?
14:20 Exio4 there is a changelog, http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
14:20 OldCoder john_minetest, I will be online for the day in an hour or two. Comments from people in #minebest on mods will be helpful.
14:20 dysoco no idea really, haven't played a lot
14:20 Exio4 and a commit log, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits/
14:23 dysoco Oh you can drown now
14:23 dysoco I remember you were talking about that last time I checked it
14:24 PilzAdam !dev Changelog
14:24 PilzAdam MinetestBot?
14:24 dysoco Yeah don't worry, already got the links
14:24 MinetestBot sfan5: !dev is broken!
14:25 sfan5 !dev Changelog
14:25 sfan5 ...
14:25 sfan5 MinetestBot!
14:25 MinetestBot sfan5!
14:26 Exio4 lol
14:32 dysoco I was just taking a look at this Trillek thing... the project itself looks interesting, but they want to roll their own Engine, their own Math library and there's discussion of using Haskell for the server-side
14:32 dysoco they are a bit... optimistic
14:33 Exio4 haskell is nice
14:34 dysoco I think that too
14:34 Exio4 and if they have some free years, they can do it
14:34 dysoco but they have, how many, 50 developers? How many of those developers know Haskell fluently? 2? 3?
14:34 Evergreen Hey everyone, I need some 16x better than default sword textures
14:36 PilzAdam dysoco, trillek.org is not very informative: e-mail adresses are hidden, the wiki cant be read without creating an account, the blog has 2 entries, both are not about the game
14:36 PilzAdam I have the feeling that I am not wanted there
14:37 dysoco PilzAdam, they are focusing so much on this DCPU thing and the web that there's no a single line of code for the Engine in the main repo yet
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14:55 dysoco what does everyone use as editor/IDE to work on Minetest?
14:55 dysoco I'm trying to set up KDEvelop but... ugh
14:56 PilzAdam I use a simple text editor with syntax highlighting and CLI gcc
14:57 john_minetest http://xkcd.com/378/
14:57 dysoco yeah I was going to use Emacs, but for big projects I prefer an IDE, makes it a bit easier to browse
14:57 john_minetest !title
14:57 MinetestBot john_minetest: xkcd: Real Programmers
14:57 dysoco a classic
14:58 john_minetest I use gedit when programming or Dev-C++ or Code::Blocks but not that often.
14:59 john_minetest Most time I use gedit because it is installed on my programming PC.
14:59 dysoco Dev-C++, I used that years ago when I started.
15:00 dysoco I thought it was dead? There's a fork but not sure if it's still alive
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15:02 john_minetest idk
15:02 john_minetest it works so I use it.
15:06 dysoco hm, main.cpp could use some refactoring, the the_game function is huuge.
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15:09 Exio4 dysoco: do you mean http://dev.minetest.net/Code_style_guidelines#Don.27t_let_things_get_too_large
15:10 dysoco I guess
15:11 ShadowNinja dysoco: Yes, everyone knows. Someone just has to actually fix it.
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15:29 john_minetest lol, free software foundation has an article about minetest: https://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2012/fall/new-​libreplanet-gaming-server-running-minetest
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15:31 PilzAdam Im in that article!
15:31 * PilzAdam is so famous
15:31 Exio4 PilzAdam is everywhere
15:32 Exio4 he is behind rarity tho
15:32 Exio4 you aren't the most-known pony yet /o\
15:32 PilzAdam D:
15:34 Exio4 :D
15:34 Exio4 rarity > pilzadam </calinou>
15:34 Exio4 "try to search a cheap intel mobo for the cpus"
15:34 Exio4 lel
15:34 * PilzAdam clops Calinou
15:34 Exio4 amd fanboy \o/
15:34 * Calinou tips his horn
15:38 PilzAdam can someone stop this spamming already: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=109156#p109156
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15:41 ShadowNinja Delete the posts and warn him at least.
15:43 Calinou warned
15:43 Calinou (in PM)
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15:47 Calinou yes
15:48 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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15:52 sfan5 Prestotron562: use google
15:52 Calinou or startpage
15:52 PilzAdam or ixquick
15:53 sfan5 or duckduckgo
15:53 kahrl or altavista
15:53 PilzAdam or not duckduckgo
15:53 sfan5 or PonyAdam
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15:55 dysoco askjeeves ftw
15:55 john_minetest wow, tnt mining is so efficient
15:56 yyamiyyugi Any tips on getting started making mods? (I
15:56 yyamiyyugi *I already found the guide)
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15:57 Calinou sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
15:57 * Kacey forgot to bring fish
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15:59 * Calinou never went to it in ~2 years
15:59 Calinou Prestotron562: I think it includes flash
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16:02 Zeg9 Hi!
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16:07 Calinou what's that?
16:07 Calinou sounds like bad marketing BS
16:07 Exio4 it is the daemon preload
16:07 Exio4 that loads most-used programs to ram
16:07 Exio4 before you even start them
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16:12 mrtux hello Prestotron562
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16:13 mrtux good. you?
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16:13 mrtux ah
16:14 Prestotron562 [deleted]
16:15 mrtux i'm switching to debian in a few days
16:15 mrtux not a big fan of arch
16:15 Prestotron562 [deleted]
16:16 mrtux meh never really used it.
16:17 mrtux my first distro was arch
16:17 Prestotron562 [deleted]
16:17 mrtux i've used ubuntu server
16:17 mrtux thats about it
16:17 * Zeg9 uses arch. You probably dont care, but I used debian, then ubuntu, then debian, and finally arch.
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16:18 Zeg9 Probably arch, as I'm still using it
16:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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16:19 Zeg9 It actually looks like what you make of it
16:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
16:20 Zeg9 why can't you install it on your desktop?
16:21 Prestotron562 [deleted]
16:22 Zeg9 Why not compiling?
16:22 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3837
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16:26 Peacock greetings channel people
16:27 Prestotron562 [deleted]
16:27 thexyz so when/where are we going to have another stress test?
16:28 Prestotron562 [deleted]
16:28 Calinou it's not like people don't put me down either
16:28 sfan5 its ok
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16:29 Peacock prostatron, i dont think it's the newbness, just the occasional flooding that irritates :p
16:29 Calinou not neessarily here
16:30 Peacock though nothing tops dan's million-question-marathon lol
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16:31 Peacock thats why i said occasional :P
16:31 Peacock naw dan its all the time
16:31 Peacock and the same question over and over lol
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16:32 Peacock i just woke up, i dont feel like rifling through the chat logs :P
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16:33 Peacock spam is just... spam lol flooding is like rapid-fire questions, or (like dan) posting the same questions over and over
16:33 Prestotron562 [deleted]
16:34 Peacock google usually is faster than waiting for a reply here, its always better to ask the questions you can't find the answers too through google
16:34 Peacock *answers to
16:34 sfan5 ^
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16:36 Peacock usually when people don't answer a question i take it as a cue im using the wrong search terms :P
16:36 Peacock but the info is out there
16:38 yyamiyyugi Can someone help me out with groups? I'm looking at the intro on the wiki (http://dev.minetest.net/Intro) and I clicked on the link in this line "Node (minetest.register_node): A Block from the world" But it says nothing about the different groups only thing I see on there from the Intro is the tiles
16:39 yyamiyyugi The link took me to this page http://dev.minetest.net/min​etest.register_node#Syntax
16:39 Peacock example of groups in default mod
16:39 yyamiyyugi ok
16:39 Peacock https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L550
16:39 yyamiyyugi thank you
16:40 Peacock /doc/lua_api.txt usually has more detailed info on everything
16:41 yyamiyyugi ok, I will use that instead then
16:41 yyamiyyugi thanks for letting me know
16:42 Peacock no prob, if you built from source you should have the file already
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16:43 sfan5 github.com/minetest/minetest/issues
16:43 Peacock github /issues
16:43 yyamiyyugi you mean when getting the game Peacock?
16:43 Peacock depends how you got the game, if you compiled you have it, if you used a package manager then im not sure
16:44 yyamiyyugi I used the exe to get the game
16:44 yyamiyyugi (if i'm understanding properly)
16:45 Peacock windows build? then im not sure
16:45 yyamiyyugi ya, windows
16:45 yyamiyyugi I will just copy and paste it to a text file then
16:46 PilzAdam lua-api.txt is in the win build AFAIK
16:46 yyamiyyugi is it?
16:46 PilzAdam yes, just checked
16:46 PilzAdam look in the doc/ folder
16:47 yyamiyyugi yup, there it is, thanks
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16:48 Peacock that should match the version you have, the github link is always for the latest version
16:48 yyamiyyugi So I can make an actual game load up from the launcher? or is it more like a modpack?
16:51 Peacock not sure what you mean
16:51 OldCoder Hi. I'm updating from 0.4.4 to 0.4.7. If I'd like to be backwards compatible with existing worlds, should I update Technic or not?
16:52 yyamiyyugi I saw a games loadpath, is that like, seprategames made with the engine or more like modpacks?
16:53 PilzAdam yyamiyyugi, games are modpacks
16:53 yyamiyyugi ok
16:53 PilzAdam *like modpacks
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16:57 Peacock wife's latest castle https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=109479#p109479
16:58 OldCoder mrtux, good morning
16:58 OldCoder VanessaE, john_minetest ^ regarding Technic
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17:01 yyamiyyugi so you can combine groups to give different properties to nodes? Like say I wanted a tougher dirt i could make is crumbly=2 and cracky =1? or am I misunderstanding it?
17:02 ShadowNinja OldCoder: Old setups will stop working until they get switching stations. But the stable branch should be safe.
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17:02 Calinou what's that?
17:03 Calinou to use git on linux: sudo apt-get install git
17:03 Prestotron562 [deleted]
17:03 PilzAdam no
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17:04 Calinou it won't
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17:04 Calinou git is a command line program
17:04 ShadowNinja Prestotron562: You want to get latest git on Linux?
17:04 Calinou try typing "git" with no arguments
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17:05 khonkhortisan terminal is the command window, bash is the command prompt.
17:05 Prestotron562 [deleted]
17:05 Calinou that's their proprietary app
17:05 Calinou there probably are GUI git clients around
17:05 Calinou I don't use them and few people do
17:05 john_minetest OldCoder: I think it is quite compatible.
17:05 OldCoder ShadowNinja, thanks, but not clear; I have a lot of old worlds that use Technic. Should I update Technic or not?
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17:06 OldCoder john_minetest, ^
17:06 khonkhortisan I've tried git-gui, it might be useful for visualizing a tree
17:06 OldCoder john_minetest, I am starting with Zegaton
17:06 khonkhortisan don't use the full url when commiting
17:06 khonkhortisan git remote -v should have the url listed
17:06 PilzAdam Prestotron562, http://git-scm.com/book
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17:07 ShadowNinja OldCoder: Yes, the stable branch should work with 0.4.7. And if there are any issues you can always check out a older commit.
17:07 PilzAdam k, see you in 4 hours then
17:07 khonkhortisan you'd git commit, and put in a message. Then you'd git push. If you were on a new branch, you'd git push origin branchname.
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17:07 PilzAdam no, you need to read it
17:07 OldCoder ShadowNinja, I will try it then thanks
17:07 Prestotron562 [deleted]
17:07 PilzAdam read the first 3 chapters
17:07 Prestotron562 [deleted]
17:08 PilzAdam (of course you free to read more)
17:08 PilzAdam and also try the things out that are explained there, just reading doesnt help much
17:08 Peacock hm, an on_walk_over() field/trigger for nodes would be cool for turning soil to trampled soil and traps
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17:09 khonkhortisan the images do a good job of showing centralized vs distributed
17:12 ShadowNinja Peacock: That would have to be server side. Meaning it would work just about as well as on_globalstep.
17:13 Peacock i could be wrong, but it seems the only solution right now is to run an abm on really low interval and  check for entities on top of the node
17:13 Peacock i dont know that on_walk_over() would be any more efficient though
17:14 PilzAdam thats what mesecons does for pressure plates
17:14 IceCraft hello
17:14 Peacock i noticed in farming mod you commented out some code that would turn farm soil to regular soil when people walk on it too
17:15 PilzAdam yes
17:15 Peacock i wanted to rig a sortof trap- grate, but my fps went down a few notches with an abm set on 1
17:15 ShadowNinja Peacock: on_globalstep runs ten times as often as the fastest ABM by default.
17:16 Peacock can you do on_step with nodes?
17:16 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, but it doesnt know the node position, you'd have to run it on players, and that would lag horribly
17:16 Peacock i think i saw somewhere in builtin that abm's are basically on globalstep, id have to reread that code
17:17 PilzAdam no,  thats wrong
17:17 PilzAdam minetest.after() is basically on_globalstep
17:17 Peacock oh yeah not abms, minetest.after
17:17 ShadowNinja For each player check if they are on a node and run on_walk_over() if it exists.
17:17 Peacock the no-lag worldedit worked the same way i think
17:18 PilzAdam yea, my WE++ worked with on_globalstep
17:18 Peacock youd basically have to get player pos y-1, check registered_nodes[nn].on_walk_over and run it
17:18 PilzAdam (and then WE copied that)
17:18 Peacock that happens :P
17:19 Peacock much of what i did with multinode was eventually copied too :p
17:19 Peacock except for multiple selections and some of the funkyer shapes
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17:20 Peacock though whats the difference with using globalstep and lua's builtin coroutines, did you try both?
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17:21 Evergreen I forget, how do I replace a node/tool from the default game?
17:22 PilzAdam Evergreen, register(":name")
17:22 Peacock edit the default mod or overwrite (override?) it
17:22 ShadowNinja Evergreen: Register it again.
17:22 khonkhortisan Registering it again is bad.
17:22 Peacock meh,
17:22 Peacock i do that with half a dozen builtin functions
17:22 khonkhortisan If the default node changes, you are overriding what changed.
17:22 khonkhortisan If you can, load the node exactly as it is, then override part of it.
17:23 Peacock get the nodedef from registered_nodes, and add to it, then re-register
17:23 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: Ah, get minetest.registered_items[name], change it, and then register that.
17:23 khonkhortisan I made minetest draw diagonal rails, but the carts mod overrides part of default:rail, so I have to add another pull request for carts to change tiles back
17:24 Peacock seems like you could put the direction in the rail's meta
17:24 khonkhortisan Yes, but node tables have a metatable (the horrible __newindex) that allows you to modify variables, but not add any
17:24 Peacock each rail has two directions, so whichever one the cart is sitting on, head in the other
17:25 khonkhortisan rails have straight, (straight and angled,) curved, three-way, four-way, diagonal, and diagonal end. I needed no meta.
17:25 Peacock except for forks and 4-ways, though im assuming theres a switch nearby to tell which way to go
17:25 khonkhortisan ?
17:26 Peacock well you'd just need a table for each nodename list the directions possible
17:26 khonkhortisan all the different rails are a single node. Minetest figures out how they're connected, then draws a different image based on that.
17:27 Peacock dunno, haven't played with carts much honestly
17:27 ShadowNinja I just rewrote two parts of technic that depended on metadata which used unnecessary map space and caused a infinite-posts bug.
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17:27 Peacock mostly going on how i worked out flow direction for pipes
17:27 khonkhortisan what is map space?
17:27 ShadowNinja Do not use metadata unless it is necessary.
17:27 khonkhortisan pipes are like mesecons, you place a single node and it turns into other nodes to connect
17:27 Peacock mesecons uses a shitton of metadata, esp. for controllers no?
17:27 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: Space in map.sqlite or map.db/
17:27 PilzAdam pipeworks uses meta to get the flow direction?
17:28 PilzAdam meta is ver slow
17:28 khonkhortisan oh, instead of definition space
17:28 Peacock no my pipes uses meta to determine the source of the flowing liquid
17:28 Peacock and the pressure
17:28 ShadowNinja Peacock: No, they don't.
17:28 Peacock my pipes do
17:28 ShadowNinja Peacock: Mesecons doesn't.
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17:28 khonkhortisan they don't have to, you can either calculate once and store, or recalculate all the time.
17:28 PilzAdam Peacock, you dont know what your pipes do behind your back
17:29 khonkhortisan I know very well how mesecons works.
17:29 khonkhortisan The power spreads node-by-node
17:29 yyamiyyugi Hey, anyone have any clue why the game can't load my image "modtest_testblock.png"? Code >> http://pastebin.com/u4PmKBrd
17:29 Peacock well, storing the source is kinda of important, otherwise if you get a break in the system, water that flowed one way ends up flowing both ways
17:29 ShadowNinja ^ Recalculating means that things like //set don't mess everything up, and takes half the code.
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17:29 khonkhortisan yyamiyyugi, groups has a double indent
17:29 yyamiyyugi oh
17:29 khonkhortisan but that's not why it doesn't work
17:29 PilzAdam Prestotron562, compile from source
17:30 khonkhortisan is it testBlock or testblock?
17:30 yyamiyyugi testblock
17:30 khonkhortisan you are using the image as if it is testBlock
17:30 Peacock besides i only just recently 6-d'd my building blocks, ill be moving on to pipes soon and probably simplify that code abit too
17:30 PilzAdam yyamiyyugi, is a file called "modtest_testBlock.png" in the texture folder?
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17:30 yyamiyyugi it's called modtest_testblock.png
17:30 yyamiyyugi both code and folder
17:31 khonkhortisan no
17:31 khonkhortisan you are wrong
17:31 khonkhortisan tiles = {"modtest_testBlock.png"},
17:31 PilzAdam why do you have "B" capitalized in the code?
17:31 ShadowNinja The code uses a capital 'B'.
17:31 yyamiyyugi wow, didn't notice that
17:31 khonkhortisan On any operating system, filenames are either case-sensitive, or it should be assumed they are
17:33 yyamiyyugi ok
17:33 Peacock metas are even more important if you dont want on/off versions of every node, doubly so when you start thinking about hidden/embedded pipes/wires in other nodes
17:34 khonkhortisan interesting
17:35 khonkhortisan the on/off versions take the argument of which one actually takes less space. But meta would be a way to mess with random other nodes
17:35 khonkhortisan a pipe in a pipe
17:35 Peacock my reason for not using on/off versions of pipe is really simple though: the p4 can't handle so many inventory images
17:36 Peacock even though you only have 1 pipe in the inventory, it creates an inv image for all of them, twice as much if you have on/off
17:36 khonkhortisan You should only have one inventory image for a pipe.
17:36 khonkhortisan eew
17:36 PilzAdam Peacock, disable preload item visuals
17:36 Peacock it didn't help
17:36 PilzAdam then you did something wrong
17:36 khonkhortisan leave it off anyway
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17:38 Peacock w/ preload the inventory images are fucked up, w/o preload, theres a 3-5 lag in loading the inventory
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17:38 Peacock *3-5 sec
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17:39 PilzAdam Peacock, only if you open the creative inventory
17:40 PilzAdam and loading the world is much faster
17:40 ShadowNinja Peacock: You don't need to supply a inventory image for on nodes.
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17:42 Peacock well being able to open the inventory in a timely matter is kinda more important than having on/off nodes to take away one meta field
17:42 Peacock *manner
17:42 Peacock shadow even if you dont provide an inventory image the engine still makes one with the contents of tiles{} no?
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17:44 PilzAdam have you read the README?
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17:53 sfan5 Prestotron562: which line gave you a windows build?
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17:54 sfan5 which command did you exec
17:54 sfan5 ?
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17:54 Peacock tabarnacle lol
17:55 sfan5 that doesn't give you a windows build
17:55 sfan5 you are looking at the wrong folder
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17:57 ShadowNinja Peacock: I beleive not. Uberi made a commit to mesecoms that removed inventory images from on nodes to speed up loading anyway.
17:57 Peacock #?
17:57 Peacock i got a shitton of nodes id like to disable images for
17:57 sfan5 Prestotron562: "minetest" in your home folder
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17:59 sfan5 Prestotron562: please pastebin what the command outputs
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18:00 ShadowNinja Peacock: https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/​commit/5b5e919683c2932592a7879fba29c4f2f0289e1c
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18:01 Peacock lol
18:01 sfan5 PLOL
18:01 ShadowNinja Peacock: Seems he just makes them the same so they are only generated once.
18:01 Peacock yeah he didn't disable them, he defined specific images
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18:02 STHGOM WB
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18:02 sfan5 sudo apt-get install cmake
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18:03 Peacock so given only one pipe piece appears in inventory, if i set every other pipe piece to use, say, "light_invis.png" (invisible light texture) then that would reduce the # of inv. images generated?
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18:03 sfan5 yes
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18:04 kahrl Peacock, yes it would
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18:04 Peacock that could be a helluva boost
18:04 Peacock when im finished 6d'ing them, even more
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18:10 sfan5 WHAT THE FUCK
18:10 Calinou do u even pastebin
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18:10 sfan5 IS IT SO FUCKING HARD TO USE A PASTEBIN
18:10 sfan5 godamnit...
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18:11 sfan5 !g WHAT THE FUCK IS A PASTEBIN?
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18:11 MinetestBot sfan5: http://pastebin.com/CZKvQLCP
18:11 sfan5 lolwat
18:11 sfan5 MinetestBot: thats not what I wanted
18:11 sfan5 Prestotron562: http://pastebin.com/
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18:13 sfan5 *sigh*
18:13 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:13 sfan5 put the text into the box and click submit and then copy the link from the address bar
18:13 sfan5 !
18:13 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:13 sfan5 using a pastebin is not compiling
18:13 sfan5 and doesn't have to do a thing with ubuntu
18:14 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:14 thexyz http://showterm.io/
18:15 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:15 sfan5 yes
18:15 Peacock is there a performance difference by using simpler selection boxes (using 1 block sized selection box vs copying the nodebox def)?
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18:16 sfan5 your ubuntu is broken
18:16 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:16 sfan5 yes you got it
18:17 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:17 sfan5 try "sudo apt-get install -yf"
18:18 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:19 sfan5 hm
18:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:19 sfan5 yes
18:19 sfan5 don't forget sudo in front of it
18:20 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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18:22 sfan5 wait
18:22 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:23 sfan5 "sudo apt-get install libx11-dev libxext-dev"
18:24 KikaRz '-'
18:24 KikaRz My ubuntu vps is broken too
18:24 KikaRz :P
18:24 KikaRz *debian
18:25 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:25 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:25 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:26 sfan5 Prestotron562: eleven not ll
18:26 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:27 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:28 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:28 sfan5 add libxcb1-dev to the command
18:28 sfan5 (at the end with a space before it)
18:29 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:31 sfan5 one instead of l
18:31 sfan5 1 vs. l
18:31 sfan5 there is a difference
18:31 STHGOM download link is wacky: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3015
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18:32 sfan5 STHGOM: post that in the topic not here
18:32 STHGOM i dont have forum account/E-mail
18:33 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:34 sfan5 STHGOM: you can post as guest
18:34 STHGOM i can?!
18:34 STHGOM how/
18:35 sfan5 IIRC yes
18:36 STHGOM ok
18:36 sfan5 Prestotron562: I'll help you later
18:37 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:37 STHGOM bbl
18:38 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:38 sfan5 try adding libx11-doc at the end
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18:48 nore ShadowNinja, btw, there is still a bug with cables
18:49 nore in technic
18:49 ShadowNinja What is it?
18:49 nore cables only connect to machines above them, not next to them or below them
18:49 nore the network works, but there is no visual connection
18:50 ShadowNinja That was intentional, although I removed that condition since it is truer to how the network works.
18:50 ShadowNinja (locally)
18:50 nore you should make something like connect_sides in pipeworks
18:50 ShadowNinja Ideally there should be a rules system like mesecons or ^.
18:51 ShadowNinja Of course that would slow down the network traversal a bit, not sure how much, but probably not much.
18:51 nore and I reckon this would simplify the traverse_network code too
18:51 nore and if we add my optimization, it will not be a problem
18:52 nore and most of the time in lua-to-c calls
18:52 ShadowNinja The travelsal code will probably have to be rewritten for the rules system to work.
18:53 nore I am thinking that we should implement network traversal in C
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18:53 nore mesecons use it, technic does, and lots of mods do too
18:53 ShadowNinja require "ffi"?
18:53 nore what's ffi?
18:54 ShadowNinja It is a module that comes with LuaJIT.
18:54 nore what does it do?
18:54 ShadowNinja That would mean depending on LuaJIT of course. It lets you run C[C++?] code.
18:54 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:55 ShadowNinja nore: http://luajit.org/ext_ffi.html
18:55 nore that would be able to call the API?
18:55 ShadowNinja What do you mean?
18:56 ShadowNinja Oh, get_node and the like?
18:56 nore yep
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18:56 ShadowNinja Hmmm, I don't know exactly how that works, maybe it can call the engine's get_node.
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18:57 nore but wait, I have an idea: would this allow to do things that would not have been possible with the lua API?
18:57 hoodedice I crashed my windows xp boot thingy
18:58 ShadowNinja Yes, you can definitely call any function in the standard library.
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19:00 * nore wonders what he could do with that
19:03 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:03 hoodedice Hello Presto
19:03 hoodedice Is it minetest stable?
19:03 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:04 hoodedice =)
19:04 hoodedice Cool.
19:04 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:04 hoodedice Now, how did you install it?
19:04 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:04 PilzAdam Prestotron562, no offense, but you call what you are doing currently is "contributing"?
19:05 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:06 hoodedice Ya presto
19:06 hoodedice Get to minetest.net
19:06 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:06 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:06 hoodedice click download, scroll down to Ubuntu/Mint, click on it
19:06 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:07 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:07 PilzAdam hoodedice, the PPA wont help him if he want to work on the source
19:07 hoodedice The thing that opens up is called 'launchpad'. It is a bunch of PPAs
19:07 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:07 hoodedice Presto, you want to work on source?
19:07 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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19:08 hoodedice Man, you ARE just another 12 yr old =P
19:08 hoodedice See
19:08 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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19:09 hoodedice Decide what you want to do. Mod, or Dev.
19:09 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:09 hoodedice You sure you can?
19:09 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:10 hoodedice ok.
19:10 hoodedice For deving, PPAs won't help you
19:10 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:10 hoodedice You'll have to 'clone' GitHub for that, and PilzA is better off helping you get into core
19:10 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:11 hoodedice Well, in a simple sense, you have an android phone?
19:11 Peacock how far along is the mesh node thing?
19:11 PilzAdam hoodedice, do you know what tab completion is?
19:11 hoodedice umm, no @PilzA
19:11 PilzAdam type Pa<tab>
19:11 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:11 PilzAdam ehm
19:11 PilzAdam Pi<tab>
19:11 Peacock mmm, pie
19:12 hoodedice Oooh, but I didn't want to Ping you
19:12 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:12 hoodedice So, in an andriod phone, when you update stuff, all of it updates, right?
19:12 hoodedice Like all apps together, under one app?
19:12 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:13 PilzAdam Prestotron562, just search "ppa" with ixquick.com or so
19:13 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:13 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:13 hoodedice I honestly think you should start with a few simple mods
19:13 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:13 hoodedice So, in Ubuntu, when you click on software update, all your installed apps get updated, provided you installed them system-wide
19:13 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:14 Peacock speaking of nodeboxes, what if we could define each box using vertices instead? (with helpers for the old method)
19:14 hoodedice I don't know anything about core
19:14 hoodedice Ask PilzAdam
19:14 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:15 PilzAdam Prestotron562, compile Minetest first, following the instructions in the README
19:15 hoodedice Then ask VanessaE or RealBadAngel
19:15 hoodedice Yeah, do that first
19:15 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:15 Peacock you could make prostatron president for life of core dev? :P
19:16 nore Peacock, I like that suggestion
19:16 nore dunno if it is doable, thouth
19:16 VanessaE pok what'd I miss?
19:16 VanessaE -p
19:16 VanessaE hi all
19:16 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:16 hoodedice Presto wants to go core dev
19:16 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:16 nore hi Vadtec
19:16 nore hi VanessaE
19:17 nore sorry, I did not type enough before <Tab> ;)
19:17 hoodedice (So I crashed the Windows XP boot thingy)
19:17 hoodedice *Set up a VBox LIKE A BAWSSSS !!!!*
19:17 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:17 hoodedice We know you do
19:17 Peacock prestotron if you could find a sane way to do colored lights or slopes in nodeboxes, that would help
19:18 hoodedice I suggest you should look around unofficial core dev in the forum for now
19:18 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:18 hoodedice Or that movement thingy VanessaE was talking about
19:18 hoodedice What was that about duplicating stuff?
19:18 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:19 Peacock yep, so far it's stumped everyone
19:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:19 hoodedice Ya
19:19 hoodedice Hacky stuff that ain't core
19:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:19 Evergreen PilzAdam: Putting ":" in front of the registration of the tool is not replacing the default tool
19:19 hoodedice Like being able to look at yourself @PilzAdam
19:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:19 hoodedice No
19:20 hoodedice You look down, you see your chest and arms and stuff
19:20 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:20 hoodedice This: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5397
19:20 hoodedice Now go ahead and make it less hacky
19:20 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:20 hoodedice And more smooth and stuff
19:21 hoodedice Yeah why not
19:21 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:21 Evergreen PilzAdam: Putting ":" in front of the name is not replacing thje default item
19:21 Evergreen *the
19:21 hoodedice Tackle the beast that PilzAdam couldn't and prove your worth.
19:21 Peacock one things' for sure, you dont become core by asking for it, you have to actually do stuff :p
19:21 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:21 hoodedice You could become President in one Pull request
19:21 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:21 hoodedice You'll have to patch it into the engine
19:21 VanessaE "movement thingy"?  *looks confused*
19:22 hoodedice That moving nodes replicating VanessaE
19:22 VanessaE only entities replicate
19:22 hoodedice It had some technical name
19:22 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:22 hoodedice ya that
19:22 VanessaE ho ho
19:22 VanessaE that'll be fun to fix :P
19:22 hoodedice Linux build, see the download page
19:22 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:22 Evergreen Whoops, nvm
19:22 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:22 hoodedice It will, just get the right one
19:23 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:24 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:24 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:24 hoodedice Solve it
19:24 hoodedice Be a core dev
19:25 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:25 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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19:26 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:26 khonkhortisan it's easy to only be a contributer
19:27 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:28 PilzAdam Evergreen, have you added default to depends.txt?
19:28 Evergreen I said nvm, I figured it out
19:28 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:28 PilzAdam Prestotron562, you cant contribute to the Minetest engine if you cant compil
19:28 khonkhortisan I never got an assignment like that
19:28 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:29 hoodedice Presto, Compile Ubuntu
19:29 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:29 hoodedice sudo apt-get update
19:29 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:29 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:29 hoodedice Ya why not?
19:29 khonkhortisan Why would you compile your os?
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19:29 hoodedice Why would you not
19:29 khonkhortisan because I don't have to
19:29 hoodedice You can't trust Canonical
19:29 sfan5 khonkhortisan: I have compiled linux 3.11 today
19:29 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:29 hoodedice Linux for workgroups
19:29 hoodedice lol
19:30 khonkhortisan I don't like boot menus, graphics drivers, or kernels :)
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19:30 hoodedice I love the Terminal
19:30 khonkhortisan my computer goes into complete text mode when they break
19:31 khonkhortisan I like my terminal, as long as it has window decorations
19:31 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:31 khonkhortisan can't lock what?
19:31 Peacock ctrl-alt F2/F7 is pretty handy when shit freezes
19:31 khonkhortisan what can't lock what?
19:31 khonkhortisan killall -9
19:31 FreeFull I haven't set X11 up to start automatically
19:31 khonkhortisan neither have I, yet it does
19:31 hoodedice Discussion - Mir
19:32 Peacock i thought it was kill -9 <pid> ?
19:32 khonkhortisan then you need top
19:32 khonkhortisan if you already know the program name you can just type killall -9 firefox
19:32 Peacock killall <name> is what i use when the desktop is still responsive lol
19:32 khonkhortisan kill -9 `pidof minetest`
19:32 Calinou me neither, FreeFull
19:33 Calinou *I* didn't do it.
19:33 Calinou :>
19:33 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:33 ShadowNinja /bin/kill -s KILL `pidof minetest`
19:33 khonkhortisan is the same as killall -9 minetest, if you only have one running
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19:33 khonkhortisan is kill not in your path?
19:33 ShadowNinja Or /usr/bin/kill rather.
19:33 hoodedice Presto, get back on my main email
19:33 hoodedice *gmail
19:34 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:34 hoodedice I will explain everything in detail
19:34 ShadowNinja khonkhortisan: Bash has a builtin version of kill with less features.
19:34 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:34 hoodedice gmail.
19:34 khonkhortisan bleh
19:34 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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19:34 khonkhortisan alias kill='kill'?
19:34 hoodedice Too mainstream
19:34 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:34 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:34 khonkhortisan should be able to override it
19:34 john_minetest Lol, on #14 of most lines in the stats now.
19:34 hoodedice I'll do that now
19:34 khonkhortisan I never noticed, I use the bash version
19:34 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:34 khonkhortisan I do not know your email
19:35 hoodedice G2g , it's 1 AM here, just stayed up to setup Xp on VB
19:35 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:35 hoodedice I DO !!!
19:35 khonkhortisan what is it to lock a directory?
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19:35 khonkhortisan Is this like windows freezing a file when a program is using it?
19:36 VanessaE khonkhortisan: lock it how?
19:36 VanessaE oh
19:36 khonkhortisan this how <Prestotron562> Unable to lock directory.
19:36 VanessaE like file locking yeah
19:36 FreeFull Calinou: The distro I am using starts you off with just a terminal and the basics
19:36 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:36 FreeFull Well, the package manager is considered basic
19:36 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:36 khonkhortisan file locking and dialogs made modal by the os are annoying
19:36 sfan5 FreeFull: arch?
19:37 FreeFull sfan5: Yeah
19:37 Peacock not hardcore enough, i use punchcards to boot up *my* machine :P
19:37 sfan5 crunchbang is awesome
19:37 sfan5 very lightweight
19:37 Peacock #! ftw
19:37 FreeFull I used Crunchbang before Arch
19:37 sfan5 runs with 256mb ram
19:37 FreeFull Got tired of Debian-based distros
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19:37 khonkhortisan punchcards? Just memorize it and punch the computer
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19:37 Peacock i used crunchbang, then archbang, and back to crunchbang lol
19:38 Calinou I never used anything that isn't debian-based
19:38 khonkhortisan I used qwerty, then dvorak, then programmer dvorak, and back to dvorak
19:38 FreeFull My first distro was SuSE
19:38 khonkhortisan I had win95 and suse
19:38 john_minetest i used SUSE on my very first computer (but only for playing games), sabayon, then arch and stayed with it.
19:38 * Calinou always used azerty
19:38 Peacock archbang was great for awhile, but i got tired of living in fear that each update would break something lol
19:38 sfan5 ^
19:39 * Prestotron562 just got an all caps email
19:39 john_minetest Peacock: I never had an update that broke something.
19:39 khonkhortisan I had an extra kernel directory so my nvidia driver would break on update
19:39 Peacock i never got an arch update that didn't break something lol
19:39 john_minetest What did it break?
19:39 sfan5 john_minetest: I installed archlinux in a VM and the 2nd update I did broke it
19:39 john_minetest lol...
19:39 Peacock that glibc business a while back was a particular pain in the ass
19:40 Peacock i just got used to installing new live images of archbang instead of updating lol
19:40 john_minetest I never had update problems with any of my archlinux boxes
19:40 Peacock when packer stopped working that was pretty much the last straw
19:40 john_minetest Oh, wait, there was one.
19:41 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:41 john_minetest When I updated the laptop that hasn't been updated for half a year.
19:41 john_minetest There was a FS change and it seems I typed in something wrong.
19:41 Peacock even now i dont update crunchbang often enough because im still stuck in the arch mentality lol
19:41 john_minetest But nothing what a re-install can't solve.
19:41 john_minetest I update daily
19:42 john_minetest When I use my computers.
19:42 Peacock if you have to re-install, then obviously system updates are poorly designed
19:42 john_minetest Else I update as soon as I use them.
19:42 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:42 john_minetest Peacock: It was a filesystem change and I installed unsupported packages to bad filesystem locations.
19:42 john_minetest Some packages from the arch user repository.
19:43 john_minetest There was some cleanup script but of course I first did some stuff by hand and only used half the script...
19:43 john_minetest and then the update broke some stuff.
19:44 Peacock its my impression that apt simply has a better handle on in what order to update packages so theres no breakage
19:45 Peacock and there's just apt, not pacman + <aur helper> to build your desired setup
19:45 FreeFull Peacock: Xubuntu broke with every second distro update
19:45 FreeFull On the other hand Arch hasn't managed to break for me yet
19:45 Peacock thats ubuntu
19:46 Peacock crunchbang is debian based
19:46 Calinou I usually reinstall
19:46 Calinou upgrade 12.10 => 13.04 went fine on my netbook though
19:46 FreeFull Crunchbang didn't break but everything was outdated
19:46 Peacock ubuntu patches so much crap im not surprised it breaks or that xfce is slower on it than any other distro
19:46 Prestotron562 [deleted]
19:46 Calinou it isn't for me
19:47 Calinou and their patches do some good too
19:47 Peacock well bleeding edge also means you wait a long time for bugfixes
19:47 Calinou actually it's the inverse
19:47 Peacock id rather have slightly outdated software, fewer bugs
19:47 Calinou the more bleeding edge the quicker the fixes
19:47 Calinou look at debian stable
19:47 Peacock let the archers sort out the bugs lol
19:47 Calinou some bugs are never fixed
19:48 Peacock meh, okay, so all the distros suck in some way, maybe i should just swith to windows and use some opensource software, as opposed to the inverse :P
19:48 Peacock *switch
19:48 Calinou windows is terrible in many ways too
19:48 khonkhortisan I should make a list
19:49 Peacock well given the choice between A) completely "libre" B) proprietary OS, some OSS apps, C) OSS OS, some proprietary, id go with C 1st, then B
19:49 jojoa1997 how do i update my local repo with the repo online in github
19:49 Peacock A involves joining a cult :P
19:50 khonkhortisan git checkout master; git pull?
19:50 Peacock or an asylum
19:50 khonkhortisan or git push myrepo branch?
19:50 khonkhortisan rain falling horizontally is just ugly
19:52 Peacock shouldn't it fall sortof, diagonally?
19:53 khonkhortisan I mean you look sideways, the rain is falling down as a vertical line. You look up, and the rain turns with you.
19:53 Peacock i wonder how lightning could be done
19:53 Peacock oh yeah, dont all mobs do that?
19:54 Peacock wait, does rain use sprites or particlespawnser?
19:55 proller khonkhortisan, something wrong with particles
19:57 khonkhortisan what?
19:57 khonkhortisan rain uses particlespawner
19:58 khonkhortisan I combined the three commits into one for the rebase
19:58 proller i have lot of garbage in console
19:58 proller and squares instead rain&snow
19:59 Peacock squares?
19:59 proller khonkhortisan, need protocol versioning
19:59 proller Peacock, broken textures
20:00 khonkhortisan Do I put that in the pull request, or as a label?
20:00 proller khonkhortisan, you cant simply sdd writeU8(os, vertical);
20:00 proller add
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20:05 khonkhortisan Are the squares from connecting to a server without this commit?
20:07 werwerwer_ noob question: what's the difference between "0.4.7 minetest" and "0.4.7 minetest v6" on this page http://servers.minetest.net/ ?
20:07 khonkhortisan v6 sounds like the map generation, as opposed to v7
20:08 werwerwer_ so i don't need to do anything on client side to play on v7 or v6 server?
20:08 khonkhortisan but on that page it appears to mean there's a mod list on-hover.
20:08 sfan5 no
20:08 proller khonkhortisan, yes, old server. new client
20:09 werwerwer_ ok, thanks
20:10 khonkhortisan so I just change #define LATEST_PROTOCOL_VERSION 21?
20:11 proller no! you must make version checks
20:11 proller in send and read
20:12 proller it must be compatible in both ways
20:12 proller old client+new server and old server+new client
20:12 khonkhortisan ok
20:15 proller ups, yes, you need to increase LATEST_PROTOCOL_VERSION
20:16 proller ups x2
20:17 proller no need before release
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20:26 Evergreen Do you know what linux lacks?   Good video editors
20:26 Peacock a unified audio solution that just works
20:26 Calinou ITT: "Linsux"
20:26 Calinou Evergreen: make one then
20:26 Peacock flawless integration of prop. video and wireless drivers
20:27 john_minetest Evergreen: You're right. Something like after effects.
20:27 Calinou after effects isn't even good
20:27 john_minetest wireless and video drivers work for me in linux.
20:27 sfan5 good night everyone
20:27 john_minetest after effects can do a lot.
20:27 Evergreen Calinou: you have no idea what you are talking about
20:28 Peacock works for you != works for everyone
20:28 Peacock (i get so tired of hearing that line lol)
20:28 john_minetest I tried some video editing stuff on linux and it sucked.
20:28 Evergreen openshot is okay, kdenlive is okay, but it isn't good at all
20:28 Calinou there are some decent editors around
20:29 Peacock audacity is pretty good for audio editing
20:29 john_minetest https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/List​_of_Applications/Multimedia#Video_editors
20:29 Evergreen No, I said video editors.  :P
20:29 john_minetest Peacock: audacity is much better than stupid proprietary nero stuff :b
20:29 Peacock just finding a good video capture/webcam capture program is a pain lol
20:30 Evergreen I haven't ever tried blender vse though
20:30 Peacock being proprietary is neither here nor there, bad software exists in both camps :P
20:30 Evergreen Blender does have a built in video editor
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20:31 john_minetest openshot is crap
20:31 john_minetest Blender seems to have a nice video editor built in, yeah, but I never tried it.
20:31 john_minetest Seems a lot is possible with it.
20:31 john_minetest Blender might be the best one.
20:32 Evergreen I never have tried it before, I might want to look into it
20:32 Evergreen Blender is awesome btw
20:32 STHGOM +4093
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20:36 john_minetest I have done a few things in blender but I never tried video editing.
20:37 khonkhortisan blender doesn't have pure video editing
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20:45 john_minetest lol, trying object tracking in blender now
20:45 Prestotron562 [deleted]
20:49 Peacock found out why blender is missing the collada format, debian disabled it for lack of libreness lol downloading blender from website now
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20:51 thexyz install gentoo, you can control level of libreness there
20:52 Peacock i seriously wish the libtards had better things to do lol
20:52 Peacock gentoo would take too long to install :/
20:52 Calinou don't use "retard" as an insult
20:52 Calinou most people that you call "libtards" are actually clever
20:52 Peacock uhm, plenty of people use the term retard here, and worse terms
20:53 thexyz Calinou means you should use other terms
20:53 Peacock pilzadam and jordach use the term retarded liberally, you refer to faggots, why should my language be more reserved?
20:54 PilzAdam what?
20:54 thexyz because inequality -(
20:54 PilzAdam Peacock, what do you mean=
20:54 PilzAdam *?
20:54 Prestotron562 [deleted]
20:55 Prestotron562 [deleted]
20:55 thexyz forums will probably lag a bit more the next 24 hours
20:55 Peacock you use the term "retarded" no?
20:55 PilzAdam no
20:56 VanessaE PilzAdam: incorrect.
20:56 Peacock http://irc.minetest.ru/minet​est-dev/2013-05-22#i_3101438
20:57 VanessaE I count three such usages in my logs
20:57 Peacock http://irc.minetest.ru/minet​est-dev/2013-05-16#i_3091449
20:57 VanessaE (going back to aug. 29)
20:57 VanessaE (of 2012)
20:58 Peacock http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2013-07-02#i_3175193
20:58 Peacock i say either you apply the rules universally and indiscriminately, or not at all
20:59 PilzAdam VanessaE, that are answers to NekoGloop, who apperently uses it very often
20:59 NekoGloop ?
20:59 Peacock http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2013-03-24#i_2951665
20:59 PilzAdam NekoGloop, http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2012-08-29#i_2463792 http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2012-08-29#i_2465568
21:00 Peacock hmm seems to use "retarded" the most according to google lol
21:00 NekoGloop heh
21:00 NekoGloop both are you bashing windows
21:00 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:01 Peacock pilzadam http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2013-08-05#i_3239679
21:01 VanessaE Prestotron562: get a faster computer :(
21:01 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:01 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:01 VanessaE (really though, get a better video card, and turn off as much of the fancy stuff as you can stand)
21:01 VanessaE e.g. turn off fancy leaves, smooth lighting, shaders, etc.
21:02 VanessaE andmake sure you're using the appropriate driver for your video card.
21:02 PilzAdam Peacock, hmm.. thats probably due to lack of better vocabulary
21:02 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:02 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:02 PilzAdam Prestotron562, search it with ixquick.com
21:02 Peacock http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2012-11-12#i_2629304
21:03 khonkhortisan minetest accepts money?
21:03 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:03 VanessaE Prestotron562: send it to me.  I could use the money...it won't go toward MT development though :D
21:03 khonkhortisan I couldn't use the money
21:03 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:03 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:03 PilzAdam Prestotron562, I wouldnt tell you if you cant find it
21:04 VanessaE Prestotron562: I'm joking.  Any such funds would go toward buying clothes :D
21:04 PilzAdam *tell you to search it
21:04 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:04 VanessaE none, don't send any to me
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21:04 VanessaE JEIJA!
21:04 VanessaE *pounce*
21:04 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:04 Jeija_ VanessaE!
21:04 VanessaE haha
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21:04 khonkhortisan @me, a recurring amount.
21:04 PilzAdam hey Jeija_
21:04 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:04 VanessaE I've been wondering about you :)
21:05 khonkhortisan I have awoken the sleeping with my pull request
21:05 Jeija_ Hi everyone :)
21:05 khonkhortisan hi Jeija
21:05 Jeija_ I've just been on vacation
21:05 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:05 VanessaE Jeija_: did you enjoy it?
21:05 Jeija_ lol
21:05 khonkhortisan if you like mesecons, you like jeija
21:05 Jeija_ Yeah, but there was hardly any internet ;)
21:05 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:05 iqualfragile wtf? jeija??
21:05 thexyz Peacock: those aren't rules; Calinou just asked you to be kind to people who develop software for you
21:06 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:06 iqualfragile Jeija_: wtf happened where did you go?
21:06 Peacock libtards/libre/free software != open source
21:06 iqualfragile in case you intend to come back: enjoy your stay
21:06 Jeija_ Got some other projects, and for the last 3 weeks i was in France
21:06 Peacock they make a big deal out of the distinction themselves
21:06 thexyz Peacock: then you aren't better than them
21:07 Jeija_ I can't promise anything yet
21:07 Peacock no i just got better things to do than advocacy
21:07 Peacock im pro opensource, but the libre crowd annoy the fuck out of me
21:07 thexyz very probably
21:08 Peacock like removing the collada plugin from blender, im not being more libre as a result, i just download blender from the main site instead
21:08 khonkhortisan I feel like asking someone to do something I could do myself
21:09 john_minetest Why is collada too "unfree" for them?
21:09 werwerwer_ mods installed on server are downloaded automatically when i connect to server?
21:09 john_minetest Collada is a free file format...
21:09 khonkhortisan you don't download the mods.
21:10 PilzAdam werwerwer_, kinda, you dont need to install anything on the client
21:10 khonkhortisan You download the textures, node/item definitions
21:10 john_minetest "publicly available specification, ISO/PAS 17506"
21:11 khonkhortisan You can't connect to a server, then use a mod from it in your local server, only part of it is sent.
21:12 Peacock john_minetest don't know, thought it was a bug, looked up the bug reports, debian removed the plugin because its not libre enough
21:12 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:13 * Prestotron562 commits to less hacky "See your own player"
21:13 khonkhortisan where is that?
21:13 john_minetest Peacock: Let's remove Debian because it is not libre enough. It uses no WTFPL.
21:14 Peacock dunno, but if they forced trisquell on everyone, linux user base would be 5% what it is now lol
21:14 john_minetest All those restrictive GPLs...
21:15 john_minetest There is parabola which seems to be quite nice.
21:15 Peacock id seriously rather go back to running a prop OS with some oss bits before going down that road lol
21:15 john_minetest The stallman road :b
21:15 Peacock stallman, doesn't work, doesn't bathe, doesn't matter lol
21:16 john_minetest Lol, my keyboard keys are pretty used.
21:16 MinetestBot GIT: Jeija commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Upgrade CC-BY-SA License to 3.0 09be8af517 2013-09-07T14:15:21-07:00 http://git.io/yz23UA
21:16 john_minetest Especially the spacebar and the "n" key.
21:16 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:16 Peacock ugh, wireless = batteries
21:17 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:18 Peacock biggest problem i have is finding english keyboards in QC
21:18 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:20 PilzAdam no
21:20 PilzAdam we have QWERTZ
21:20 Peacock quebec keyboards are still qwerty, but they move a bunch of other keys around
21:20 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:20 john_minetest Prestotron562: we have QWERTZ
21:20 john_minetest And NEO.
21:21 john_minetest But nobody uses NEO.
21:21 john_minetest :(
21:21 MinetestBot GIT: Jeija commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Add LICENSE.txt c3082f6601 2013-09-07T14:20:17-07:00 http://git.io/qAwywg
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21:21 PilzAdam Prestotron562, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/​b/b0/German-T2-Keyboard-Prototype-May-2012.jpg
21:22 khonkhortisan arghh!!!!
21:22 PilzAdam sfan5, why does MinetestBot show commits to mesecons?
21:22 PilzAdam either only do it for minetest/minetest and minetest_game or for all of my mods too
21:22 khonkhortisan I have a commit that changes the protocol. I started an old server/client, recompiled with my commit, started a new server/client, and the second client gets 'con::ConnectionBindFailed'
21:23 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:23 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, always add stuff at the end of serialization, then you can catch the exception in the client
21:23 PilzAdam and old clients wont even notive anything
21:23 john_minetest Is this a pro or a contra argument for a video editing tool? -> "It's a movie studio with the efficiency of a box."
21:23 PilzAdam Prestotron562, and Ä Ö Ü ß
21:23 khonkhortisan I can't even start my second client, and my protocol only affects particles
21:24 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:24 khonkhortisan aha! minetest fails to start when minetestserver is on 30001
21:24 Peacock tried xbmc yesterday, video and audio still suck compared to vlc lol
21:25 Peacock you'd think they'd want to be better
21:26 khonkhortisan ... typing 2 on numpad in the client port gets a nil value in builtin/mainmenu.lua:488
21:27 VanessaE bbl
21:28 khonkhortisan ooh. 14:28:04: ERROR[main]: Access denied. Reason: Another client is connected with this name. If your client closed unexpectedly, try again in a minute.
21:28 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:29 khonkhortisan These are two clients connecting to two servers hosting two maps. How do they know about each other?
21:29 PilzAdam khonkhortisan, with different ports?
21:30 khonkhortisan yes, sometimes.
21:31 khonkhortisan I changed the port, checked public serverlist, it changed back to the first port.
21:31 khonkhortisan so I change my answer to no.
21:32 Peacock that happens to me too
21:32 Peacock i type 30012, and it starts on 30000
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21:36 john_minetest Never happened to me...
21:36 john_minetest I often connected to minetest.org:300xx and never got another port.
21:37 john_minetest and minetest.org has about 16 servers.
21:38 Peacock i also get reports from users who say they get wrong password warnings even though they haven't set one :/
21:38 proller khonkhortisan, do not use 30000-30010 if you want more than one server-client
21:39 john_minetest Peacock: When the server has the "password" setting set true everybody has to enter a password to connect.
21:39 Peacock but mine isn't on
21:42 Peacock idc whether or not people set passwords, so long as they chose a username that doesn't annoy lol
21:42 john_minetest problem: griefers might destroy great buildings by logging in as somebody else
21:43 Peacock my whitelisted people do set passwords obviously :P
21:43 Peacock freebuilders can do whatever they want
21:45 proller PilzAdam, why i sometimes hit in beds spawn list? without bed touching
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21:56 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:57 iqualfragile Prestotron562: that is what you get for using filthy filthy linux
21:57 Peacock lol
21:57 Peacock all os's freeze
21:58 khonkhortisan thrashing
21:58 Peacock i blame this guy http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090316​132359/batman/images/1/11/MrFreezeArniesch.jpg
21:58 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:59 Prestotron562 [deleted]
21:59 john_minetest extreme lightning here
21:59 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:00 john_minetest Lol, how can linux freeze?
22:00 john_minetest Do you have got a nvidia?
22:00 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:00 khonkhortisan just fill up your memory and swap
22:00 khonkhortisan use VE's texture pack at full size
22:01 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:01 john_minetest Thunderbolt and lightning | very very frightning | me! mama mia! mama mia! mama mia!
22:01 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:01 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ
22:02 john_minetest Fortunately I have an overvoltage protect socket
22:02 john_minetest But my router could blow up :b
22:02 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:02 khonkhortisan everykitten
22:02 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:03 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:03 john_minetest Prestotron562: Lightning hitting a power line, boom!
22:03 khonkhortisan is it a journaling filesystem?
22:04 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:04 khonkhortisan hitting the power line increases the power
22:04 john_minetest khonkhortisan: Extreme CPU/GPU overclocking :b
22:04 khonkhortisan the router, fridge, dish/clotheswasher, oven, microwave, tv, vaccuum cleaner, etc run off power
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22:05 khonkhortisan I think that could be done.
22:06 khonkhortisan Lightning pole, computer connected to that and power, a test circuit that overclocks the cpu exactly when the lightning hits, constant extreme cpu cooling, normal power source for rest of computer.
22:06 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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22:08 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:08 khonkhortisan then what would be left to talk about here? help, mods, and dev would already be covered
22:09 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:10 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:13 khonkhortisan Façade has a french c
22:14 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:15 khonkhortisan BRAAAAP
22:15 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:15 khonkhortisan ping. ping. pingpingpingpingping.
22:15 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:15 khonkhortisan ping.
22:15 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:15 khonkhortisan <beep> ok then
22:16 khonkhortisan I have one for someone highlighting me, but I never hear it
22:16 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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22:16 khonkhortisan xchat, I also have pidgin, konversation, and irssi.
22:16 imthescatguy guys
22:16 imthescatguy i need help
22:17 imthescatguy i recently got minetest
22:17 imthescatguy and i played a bit
22:17 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:17 khonkhortisan I can't scat the help to you :)
22:17 imthescatguy now when i launch it and open a world
22:17 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:17 imthescatguy on the cmd it says pier 2 failed to emerge player
22:17 imthescatguy on singleplayer
22:17 imthescatguy when loading a world
22:17 imthescatguy or something like that
22:18 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:18 khonkhortisan this? Server: khonkhortisan: Failed to emerge player (player allocated to an another client)
22:18 imthescatguy windows
22:18 imthescatguy no its singleplayer
22:18 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:18 imthescatguy its pier 2 or something
22:18 imthescatguy i just wait?
22:18 yyamiyyugi What (if anything) would I need to take into account differently from minecraft to this If I were building a computer to host a server (ex. Do I need more/less RAM, Better CPU, etc.?)
22:18 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:18 imthescatguy i cant load a world....
22:18 khonkhortisan If it doesn't stop, and you never connect, then it's a problem
22:18 imthescatguy how long should it last usually
22:18 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:19 imthescatguy ill try opening a world
22:19 khonkhortisan if it's a perfect connect it shouldn't happen at all
22:19 imthescatguy weird
22:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:19 imthescatguy its singleplayer
22:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:19 imthescatguy my pc is a custom build with 12 gigs of ram so i dont see any problems
22:19 khonkhortisan ooh 12
22:19 yyamiyyugi I'm going to be building one
22:19 imthescatguy and wired internet
22:19 khonkhortisan I really have to visit the computer store
22:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:19 imthescatguy ill launch a world
22:19 yyamiyyugi I Haven't bought any parts yet
22:20 imthescatguy ok i will after i test
22:20 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:20 khonkhortisan If you're going to have mobs, you'll need more resources. If all the stuff in your world is static, you only need to worry about the players.
22:20 yyamiyyugi I would only need players
22:21 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:21 imthescatguy it says peer_id=2 failed to emerge player
22:21 imthescatguy ok
22:21 khonkhortisan I disagree with that
22:21 khonkhortisan minetest-dev would kick for that
22:21 yyamiyyugi and it would be a limited map
22:21 khonkhortisan normally it's the person who would actually kick you that gives the warning
22:21 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:22 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:23 Prestotron562 [deleted]
22:24 khonkhortisan is minetestbot still kicking flooders? I forgot about that
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22:30 yyamiyyugi Wb
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22:45 werwerwer_ operations in inventory are synced with server every mouse click?
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22:58 john_minetest bye
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23:06 Fungus_ Could someone walk me through installing a texture pack? I have downloaded the zip I did not extract or do anything yet I don't want to mess this up. I would like to install so anyone who joins my world can see it.
23:08 Fungus_ Hello? Is anyone around tonight?
23:08 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:08 Fungus_ Hello
23:08 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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23:08 Fungus_ Can you walk me through installing a texture pack? I have downloaded the zip I did not extract or do anything yet I don't want to mess this up. I would like to install so anyone who joins my world can see it.
23:08 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:08 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:08 Fungus_ Great
23:09 khonkhortisan installing a texture pack is slightly easier than installing a mod
23:09 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:09 Fungus_ Lets do this then. Woot Woot
23:09 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:10 Fungus_ But I have joined other servers with different texture packs
23:10 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:10 Fungus_ WIndows
23:10 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:11 Fungus_ So can you help me? I have seen other servers with different packs
23:11 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:11 Fungus_ Awesome
23:11 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:12 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:12 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:12 Fungus_ Well lets began
23:12 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:12 Fungus_ Tell me what to do.
23:12 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:12 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:12 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:13 Fungus_ Okay
23:13 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:13 Fungus_ Everything but IRC is closed
23:13 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:13 Fungus_ check
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23:14 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:15 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:15 Fungus_ Check
23:15 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:15 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:15 Fungus_ and just the one I am working on and I play on some multis
23:15 Fungus_ I just want to do this for my own world
23:16 Fungus_ Yes
23:16 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:16 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:16 Fungus_ Yes
23:16 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:16 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:17 Fungus_ check
23:17 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:17 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:18 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:18 Fungus_ Just downloaed the zip
23:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:19 Fungus_ Let me check
23:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:19 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:20 Fungus_ Nope, its still the same
23:20 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:20 Fungus_ Where do I put the texture pack folder
23:20 Fungus_ Yea
23:20 Fungus_ I did not even extract the folder yet
23:20 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:21 Fungus_ Okay I am in textures folder
23:21 Fungus_ I have two folders base and pack
23:21 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:21 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:21 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:22 Fungus_ o.4.7
23:22 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:23 Fungus_ I am extracting the folder
23:23 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:24 Fungus_ Okay, yes you helped a bit
23:24 Fungus_ Take care
23:24 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:24 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:25 Fungus_ Okay
23:27 Fungus_ Does anyone else want to try>
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23:35 imthescatguy fail
23:36 imthescatguy anyone good at moding?
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23:36 imthescatguy anyone good at modding?
23:37 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:37 imthescatguy og
23:37 imthescatguy ok
23:37 imthescatguy well
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23:37 imthescatguy i god a mod
23:37 imthescatguy got
23:37 imthescatguy was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
23:37 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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23:38 imthescatguy wrong button
23:38 imthescatguy i have a mod
23:38 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:38 imthescatguy and it didnt work, so i renamed it, still doesnt work
23:38 imthescatguy i looked in the file
23:38 imthescatguy and it has no init.lua
23:38 imthescatguy its the nature pack
23:39 Prestotron562 [deleted]
23:39 imthescatguy ok
23:39 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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23:39 imthescatguy bye
23:59 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=109524#p109524
23:59 PilzAdam if you think like this then you need a doctor

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