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02:50 andersje VanessaE: new version of stained_glass in place.  you can now turn off full/med/noglow trap/regular glass via the settings.txt file in stained_glass
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02:51 VanessaE cool
02:51 VanessaE *git pull*
02:52 * Exio4 git reverts VanessaE
02:52 VanessaE lol
02:52 Exio4 :D
02:53 Exio4 git pulls/pushes/reverts/commits/adds/<insert-your-favorite-git-command-here!>
03:03 andersje =)
03:03 andersje you  want me to issue a pull request to you vanessa?
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03:06 VanessaE no need
03:06 andersje cool =)
03:06 VanessaE I leave the repo in your capable hands :)
03:06 VanessaE instead, expect pulls from me on occasion :)
03:07 andersje rock on.
03:07 andersje we use github a lot at work, so those'll be easy for me to spot and handle asap.
03:08 andersje my next project is the auto-detect of unifieddyes and moreblocks.
03:08 andersje now that there is noglow stained glass, the mod could still, in theory, be functional if it was the only mod installed...
03:10 VanessaE right
03:10 VanessaE plus one could perhaps find other sources of glowing glass
03:10 VanessaE (or stained_glass could define its own copy of {super_}glow_glass if moreblocks ain't installed
03:11 andersje right!
03:11 andersje that's a grand idea.
03:11 * andersje thinks.
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03:35 jojoa1997 Hello
03:41 andersje hola
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06:24 [0gb_us] I just tried installing Minetest from the .deb, but I'm getting odd results. Setting "enable_fog" in the conf to false in the or 0 has no effect and the nodes keep turning invisible on me. Do you know anything I can try for either of these issues?
06:24 [0gb_us] *"false or 0", not "false in the or 0".
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06:45 [0gb_us] Okay ... I used to be able to set my max view range to 5 in order to gain a few extra FPS, but it seems that not doing that fixes the invisible node issue. I stall haven't solved the fog issue though.
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07:12 Smelly Hello lol
07:12 [0gb_us] Hello!
07:12 Smelly Is their a way to clear objects offline
07:12 Smelly Well off the server rather
07:13 nore remove all objects on the server?
07:13 [0gb_us] /clearobjects
07:13 Smelly No, clear
07:13 Smelly While off the server I mean
07:13 [0gb_us] Not without extra plugins.
07:13 Smelly Ah
07:13 Smelly I may have made a boo boo
07:13 Smelly lol
07:13 [0gb_us] What happened?
07:14 nore I don't think so, so server needs at least to be online, but mods can do it too
07:14 Smelly Oh you know
07:14 Smelly just useing world edit
07:14 Smelly And I may have set default:apple
07:14 Smelly for 20,000 nodes
07:14 Smelly Yea.....
07:14 kaeza lol
07:14 nore in this case, just exit and restart
07:15 [0gb_us] Hmm. Did the apples get updated to fall?
07:15 Smelly Oh they fell
07:15 nore because the falled apples will be deleted
07:15 Smelly Ah
07:15 nore if there are enough of them
07:15 Smelly Oh I think we ave enough
07:15 Smelly have*
07:15 Smelly I can feed many
07:15 nore you need 49 per block (16*16*16 nodes)
07:16 Smelly All I know, is I have 20,000 apples to clean
07:16 Smelly lol
07:17 Smelly What if
07:17 Smelly I reset myself
07:17 Smelly but not the server
07:17 Smelly Will they clear?
07:18 Smelly all my objects would
07:18 Smelly like a rollback
07:18 nore if you exit, it will be enough
07:18 nore if there are no other people
07:19 nore in the area
07:19 Smelly Ah
07:19 Smelly Okay
07:19 Smelly I just need the other person to leave
07:20 Smelly Hopefully they do
07:20 nore If they are not near this area, it won't be a problem
07:20 Smelly They where in the middle of it
07:20 Smelly Like exact middle
07:20 Smelly lol
07:20 Smelly Yea...
07:20 Smelly <_<
07:20 Smelly >_>
07:21 Smelly I have to say
07:21 Smelly 20,000 apples
07:21 Smelly do look amazing
07:22 [0gb_us] I don't think Trisquel is going to work out for me. Minetest and sleep mode are both wonky. Too bad for me, I guess. I'll just have to not use it.
07:34 Smelly Okay apples are gone
07:34 Smelly Thank you all
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07:42 VanessaE well that was a waste of time, as usual.
07:42 * VanessaE can't sleep
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07:46 kaeza probably useless, but sharing anyway: http://pastebin.com/mzGb3xdR
07:46 VanessaE could be useful.
07:47 VanessaE maybe direct such errors to a dedicated log
07:48 kaeza I use it in Geany so it allows me to click and go directly to the error
07:48 kaeza could be useful for that too
07:49 VanessaE I usually just less -> hit "end" -> ?-----  and then scan up a few lines
07:49 VanessaE looks for the separator between successive runs.
07:50 * VanessaE pokes bas080 with a bug report
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11:11 test_ Can any say me on which level which ore generate, please.
11:13 kaeza https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/mapgen.lua#L31
11:14 test_ thanks
11:14 kaeza np
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11:19 Rhy5 Hello all!
11:20 Rhy5 Is anyone alive?
11:20 * Rhy5 wants to eat cake
11:20 Rhy5 Hmf. Oh well.
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11:21 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:21 Rhy5 Hello Adam!
11:21 Rhy5 Nice to see someone actually come on.
11:22 Rhy5 So, how are you?
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11:23 DanDuncombe Does is_ground_content = true stop a node from being diggable by gravel?
11:24 kaeza diggable by gravel? O_o
11:25 DanDuncombe Yes
11:25 DanDuncombe When  gravelfalls on it, it gets dropped as an item
11:25 DanDuncombe Like torches
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11:25 kaeza that's not how it works
11:26 DanDuncombe But how do I stop a node being gravel-diggble?
11:26 kaeza torches are "attached nodes", so when the node they are attached to is dyg, it falls
11:26 kaeza dug*
11:26 DanDuncombe Ok.
11:27 DanDuncombe When I place a tbm, it is fine.
11:27 kaeza and things like grass are "dug" because they are buildable_to
11:27 LazyJ Same thing happens to locked_signs on walls. Gravel and sand will knock them off and drop them as items.
11:27 DanDuncombe Then, gravel falls on it, it gets dropped as an item
11:27 DanDuncombe Like torches and I think rails too
11:27 PilzAdam DanDuncombe, all non-walkable or buildable_to nodes are dropped when gravel falls on them
11:27 DanDuncombe But it is walkable and not buildable_to
11:28 PilzAdam is_ground_content has not effect yet, it might be used for mapgen later on
11:28 DanDuncombe SO how do I stop it being dropped as an item?
11:29 DanDuncombe Here is the node code: http://pastebin.com/RsN4rSmL
11:30 DanDuncombe You lose all the items inside it when the gravel digs it
11:33 PilzAdam I cant reproduce this
11:34 PilzAdam what Minetest version do you have?
11:35 DanDuncombe It happends whenever it mines through gravel with commit: minetest-0.4.7-c893085-win32
11:35 LazyJ Server-side question - If the server has the fancy trees, smooth lighting, and 3D clouds turned *off* and the opaque water turned *on*, will that affect the clients or is all of that handled on the client-side?
11:35 DanDuncombe All client side I think
11:35 PilzAdam LazyJ, it doesnt effect clients
11:36 LazyJ Ah, good. Thanks. :)
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11:52 Zeg9 Where could I upload a 14MB image?
11:52 Calinou dropbox
11:56 LazyJ If I increase this setting, what will be perceived by the players?
11:56 LazyJ full_block_send_enable_min_time_from_building = 2.0
11:59 Calinou # To reduce lag, block transfers are slowed down when a player is building something.
11:59 Calinou # This determines how long they are slowed down after placing or removing a node.
11:59 Calinou a block is 16×16×16 nodes by the way
12:05 LazyJ So if I increase the setting from 2 to, say, 10, what happens when a player digs or places a node? Do they see the node being dug, then popping back into place just like it does when the lag is bad?
12:07 LazyJ Seems confusing... the bit about slowing down block transfers.. that sounds like what is happening during lag; nodes are slowed down so much that there is a mismatch between the server and the client.
12:10 LazyJ Another problem that I'm trying to figure out is why does it take so long to render the screen?
12:11 LazyJ The portion of the map is already generated and built in, I'm flying through looking for griefing, my fps is 60, but I see large gaps of sky in the ground; as if using x-ray vision.
12:13 LazyJ Players are already in the area, they can see what is there, while I'm waiting for my screen to render.
12:13 LazyJ So it has something to do with the connection. What part of it can I tweak with conf setting adjustments?
12:28 LazyJ ..
12:28 LazyJ ...
12:28 LazyJ I think I scared them off. :)-
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13:12 DanDuncombe How do I add a background image to a formspec?
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13:22 diemartin DanDuncombe, -> lua-api.txt
13:22 DanDuncombe Ok
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13:37 mnb hello all, how do i make a mesecon command block?
13:37 nore you can't
13:38 mnb how does an admin make one?
13:40 mnb i'm setting up a
13:41 nore you need to use /give or creative inventory
13:42 mnb so it's /give what?
13:42 mnb i'm running my own server there is no creative mode i don't think
13:43 mnb /give mesecon command block?
13:43 nore /give mesecons:command_block I think
13:44 nore if you play singleplayer, just tick "creative mode"
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14:33 kaeza https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/Screenshot-2013-09-01-11-28-56.jpg
14:40 nore Zeg9: what's the levelDB pull request?
14:40 Zeg9 About a new database backend
14:41 Zeg9 OldCoder wants it to be merged/rebased before upgrading his servers
14:42 nore ok
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14:54 bas080 !seen seg9
14:54 MinetestBot bas080: Sorry, I haven't seen seg9 around.
14:54 bas080 !seen zeg9
14:54 MinetestBot bas080: zeg9 was last seen at 2013-09-01 14:38:52 UTC on #minetest
14:55 jin_xi capital Z
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14:57 jin_xi hmmmm: have you got time for a quick question?
14:59 hmmmm well you assumed i had time for that one
15:01 jin_xi indeed
15:01 jin_xi im looking for a sane way to use decorations to find places to spawn turtles
15:01 hmmmm agh
15:02 hmmmm that's not possible yet.  i intended to add that functionality by generating the positions and pushing them to a table and do a callback
15:02 jin_xi cool, because atm i do this: https://github.com/obneq/minetest_j/blob/master/mods/deco/init.lua#L11
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15:05 sapier jin_xi I suggest using mobf so all your spawning issues will be fixed ;-) and if not they'll be fixed with next mobf version ;-)
15:06 NekoGloop turtles meaning decorative structures
15:06 jin_xi ^
15:06 sapier we're talking about that tiny reptiles hiding their head and feet?
15:06 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CURcGijKwqc
15:06 sapier ok some are not that tiny
15:06 jin_xi no, turtle graphics generated structures
15:07 sapier oops so something completely different :-)
15:08 jin_xi stuff like this: http://i.imgur.com/e1DWCqU.jpg
15:08 sapier ok that's tetris what is tutles connected to tetris? *g*
15:09 jin_xi its not, but turtle graphics were used to place the nodes in the form of tetris pieces...
15:09 NekoGloop jin_xi, that looks smexy
15:09 NekoGloop what are they made of, wool?
15:09 jin_xi yes, its all wool atm
15:09 sapier hope none puts fire next to em ;-)
15:09 NekoGloop .... FIIIIIIREEEEE!
15:09 sapier through it'd look interesting
15:10 jin_xi its funny because if you fail to specify a material when setting nodes via luavoxelmanipulator you get... fire!
15:10 jin_xi lots of fun
15:10 Jordach sapier, think turtle graphics and logo programming
15:11 jin_xi you can look at my repo and test it yourselves, its an entire game to ensure ppl make new worlds with it, and use mgv7
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15:14 sapier still I wonder if there ever will be a in core spawning mechanism beeing as parametrizable as necessary to be usefull for mob spawning
15:15 kaeza sapier, why not port mobf to core?
15:16 kaeza it seems extensible enough
15:16 sapier I already thought of that but there are a lot of things that are very specific for a special spawner thus if you port it you either are limited to that spawners
15:16 sapier or need to add callbacks ... giving away all the speed benefit
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15:17 sapier after fixing the get_surface bug I hope spawning isn't the bottleneck anymore ... still this needs to be prooven
15:18 sapier btw have I mentionet mobf 2.2 is released? ;-)
15:19 kaeza I was using the dev version anyway :P
15:19 sapier I'm waiting for the one killer bug always discovered half an hour after release ;-)
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15:20 jin_xi hmmmm: i wont have much time for next two weeks, but i'll look into adding that callback to core after
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15:26 hmmmm oh, you intended to do it?
15:26 hmmmm funny thing is, i won't have any time at all in two weeks
15:26 hmmmm i'm gonna have to do some minetest crap the next couple of days :)
15:27 jin_xi well, i can try!
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15:29 jin_xi ok, gotta go, bye!
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15:44 DanDuncombe Can someone help me do the variable floor thing with my tbm reloaded mod
15:44 DanDuncombe ?
15:48 DanDuncombe Can the6?
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16:04 * Jordach was testing TNT the other day
16:04 Jordach i tried the usual methods to crash MC:360, nothing worked!
16:05 Jordach i even tested 50^3
16:13 bas080 VanessaE, you have a rat issue on your server https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/screenshot_3321521912.png.
16:14 nore bas080: link doesn't work
16:14 bas080 yeah, you should give it a sec to upload
16:15 * Jordach sees two rats on top of each other
16:15 Jordach fair 'nuiff
16:15 Jordach -i
16:15 babyface1031 i love their pruple ears
16:15 nore entity duplication?
16:16 bas080 nore, something like that
16:27 PilzAdam bbl
16:29 Jordach PilzAdam is gone, OP Party?
16:30 thexyz you can't have party with +c
16:30 Jordach heh
16:34 FreeFull bas080: Celeron's server once had a rat issue
16:35 FreeFull RIP Celeron's server ):
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16:35 bas080 RIP rats :D
16:37 thexyz what's the issue?
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16:38 Jordach [17:15:58] <nore> entity duplication?
16:39 thexyz can't read
16:39 * Jordach doesn't like the YouTube player in Chrome
16:39 Jordach snap crackle and pop
16:40 Jordach (but nice and glorious in VLC at 720p)
16:46 LazyJ Anyone have experience with slowing down block transfers in Minetest?
16:47 LazyJ From minetest.conf.example:
16:47 LazyJ # To reduce lag, block transfers are slowed down when a player is building something.
16:47 LazyJ # This determines how long they are slowed down after placing or removing a node.
16:47 LazyJ #full_block_send_enable_min_time_from_building = 2.0
16:49 thexyz Jordach: > VLC
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16:50 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTwyaIo9ADk :3
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17:10 Jordach http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BfgAV94mM0
17:11 Miner_48er thexyz advice LazyJ^ ?
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17:15 thexyz Miner_48er: I can't answer his/her question because I've never used such option
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17:33 Jordach bas080, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=108545#p108545
17:35 bas080 loading...
17:38 bas080 gravel checkers, sweet...
17:38 Jordach most blocks have 1-2 colours
17:38 bas080 I see the tulip
17:38 Jordach natural nodes (such as sand, stone, etc) are flat
17:39 Jordach it's half OCD and half default
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18:06 Jordach thexyz, almost finished the mimic model
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18:07 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:07 thexyz Jordach: great, now write a mod
18:07 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:08 Jordach Blender is OPEN SOURCE.
18:08 Jordach you don't need no serials, or some other shit with it
18:08 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:08 Prestotron562 [deleted]
18:09 thexyz I think it was not free in the past
18:10 thexyz > They initially distributed the program as shareware until NaN went bankrupt in 2002
18:11 Jordach Prestotron562, http://blender.org
18:11 Prestotron562 [deleted]
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18:24 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=108557#p108557
18:24 Jordach thexyz, ^
18:31 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=77116#p77116
18:31 NekoGloop :3
18:31 NekoGloop It's a good song
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18:35 hoodedice Peacock
18:35 hoodedice (Not here)
18:36 hoodedice oooh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuben_sandwich
18:38 Jordach !op
18:38 Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Sandwich of the day: Meat Feast
18:39 hoodedice HEY !
18:39 hoodedice Make it a shawarma
18:39 * Jordach won't be here tomorrow to change it
18:39 hoodedice Gimme op then
18:39 Jordach no
18:39 hoodedice -.-
18:40 thexyz you should add images
18:40 thexyz or do something creative
18:41 thexyz just changing two words every day is boring, isn't it?
18:41 hoodedice Indeed
18:41 Jordach thexyz, the problem is finding a joke on the end
18:41 hoodedice Hmm
18:41 hoodedice Have a half eaten sandwich
18:42 thexyz yeah, how about Jordach makes a sandwich, then takes a photo
18:42 Jordach thexyz, fun fact: i can't make sandwiches for shit
18:42 thexyz Jordach: that'd be even more fun then!
18:43 hoodedice haha
18:43 hoodedice sandwich with new shit everyday
18:43 thexyz "guess sandwich"
18:43 hoodedice XD
18:43 Jordach or even i just make a sandwich in blender: http://i.imgur.com/v5YGLzX.png
18:43 hoodedice Nah
18:44 thexyz rright http://www.purestorage.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/blender1.jpg
18:44 hoodedice Yup, better
18:44 Jordach thexyz, i have a girlfriend, "bitch, make me a sandwich"
18:45 hoodedice Jordach?
18:46 thexyz dating tips by Jordach
18:46 hoodedice Is this your girlfriend?
18:46 hoodedice http://mydoggys.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/female-yorkie1.jpg
18:46 hoodedice sudo make sandwich
18:46 hoodedice Enter Passwords
18:47 thexyz make: *** No rule to make target `sandwich'.  Stop.
18:47 hoodedice Ow
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18:49 * sfan5 is home again
18:49 hoodedice *Yawn*
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18:50 hoodedice ARGH!
18:50 Jordach sfan5, wb
18:51 Jordach also: where've you been?
18:51 sfan5 cousin
18:51 Jordach ah
18:51 sfan5 I would have been home 1 hour earlier but the train....
18:51 Jordach I LIKE TRAINS!
18:51 * sfan5 DOES TOO!
18:52 Jordach sfan5, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=108557#p108557
18:53 thexyz Jordach: where is the source?
18:53 sfan5 mhm, nice
18:54 Jordach thexyz, for the mimic
18:54 * Jordach always types minic
18:54 thexyz why don't you release all the sources?
18:55 Jordach because nobody asks
18:55 Jordach i release on demand
18:55 Jordach casimir asked for the big ass grass block; he got his grass block
18:56 thexyz is it hard to post source without anyone asking?
18:57 Jordach for those five mins i spend uploading, i can work in blender for even better results
18:58 Jordach and not to mentions there is probably 1% of the minetest user base who uses blender
18:58 Jordach ~40 users take a few
18:59 thexyz well, okay
18:59 thexyz I just thought it was the reason you created your mimic instead of asking Gambit for his version
18:59 Jordach and probably about 12% who can only use basic functions of blender
18:59 Jordach thexyz, LIGHTWAVE.
19:00 Jordach (not to mention, if i want something done, i'll do it myself. reduces load on others, and you get your own schedule)
19:00 thexyz yay, yay
19:00 thexyz NIH
19:00 Jordach ^ wut
19:01 thexyz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here
19:01 kaeza oh nice. why don't we also start using `luac' and distributing mods in binary form? after all, 80% (90%?) of the user base does not even know what programming is
19:02 kaeza (and disclosing source on demand, of course)
19:02 thexyz there is one mod using this approach
19:03 kaeza hm?
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19:03 sfan5 Jordach: You expect WorldEdit to try all <filename length> * 2 possiblities of the case of the characters?
19:04 sapier1 kaeza there's no benefit of compiled mods
19:04 kaeza ._.
19:04 kaeza sapier1, read above
19:05 sapier1 only for hiding source??  really?
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19:05 sfan5 What if I told you that you can decompile lua code?
19:05 kaeza sapier1, sarcasm
19:06 thexyz sapier1: yes
19:06 kaeza It seems I failed at it ._.
19:06 thexyz there is one mod
19:06 jojoa1997 compiled mods means others cant edit it if they dont like how something is or they cant learn from it
19:06 Jordach sfan5, with luaJIT, yes
19:06 sapier1 I'm not sure but didn't compiled code result in luajit not working anymore?
19:07 sfan5 Jordach: wut, No program does that, why should WorldEdit do that?
19:07 thexyz sfan5: can you add more context?
19:08 thexyz jojoa1997: yes
19:08 thexyz sapier1: it's bytecode, I'm not sure if it should be called "compiled"
19:08 sfan5 thexyz: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=108341#p108341
19:08 sapier1 java binarys are called compiled too ;-)
19:09 kaeza ^
19:09 sfan5 sapier1: bytecode sometimes causes problems with LuaJIT
19:09 thexyz hm, right, they use different opcodes sets
19:10 sapier1 but yes it's not 100% same as native binarys yes ... the main problem for anyone writing compiled only mods is how to find a core dev to add improvements to lua api ;-)
19:10 thexyz Jordach: why do you think this is a bug?
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19:10 sfan5 ^ /me has the same question
19:10 sapier1 i once tried "compiled" code with pathfinding algorithms ... they've been as bad as pure lua
19:10 Jordach err what
19:11 thexyz sapier1: because it's bytecode
19:11 thexyz why would it run better?
19:11 thexyz lua already does that, doesn't it?
19:11 sapier1 I thought so but yes I could have known it doesnt
19:12 sfan5 you use bytecode to hide bad coding style?
19:12 thexyz Jordach: ?
19:13 hoodedice ?
19:13 kaeza ¿
19:13 sapier1 no I had same algorithm in c++ and lua and wanted to know performance difference between different styles
19:13 * Jordach is busy
19:13 thexyz sapier1: how did luajit do?
19:13 Exio4 4http://exio4.com.ar/mt/sapier/performance_comparison_pathfinding.pdf
19:13 Exio4 err
19:13 Exio4 http://exio4.com.ar/mt/sapier/performance_comparison_pathfinding.pdf
19:14 thexyz okay
19:14 hoodedice What is Core -0O?
19:14 hoodedice *-O0
19:14 Exio4 compiled without optimizations
19:14 thexyz not so long we were talking with sapier1 about luajit, C++ and performance, weren't we?
19:15 sfan5 thexyz: could we add a rule to the forum "No server hosting requests in the Servers subforum"?
19:15 thexyz sfan5: what should go there?
19:16 thexyz I believe that section should only contain servers
19:16 sfan5 ^
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19:16 sapier1 lujait was even faster than -O0 and as fast as -O2
19:16 thexyz now there are all kinds of topics
19:17 sfan5 idea: "Servers" and "Servers General"
19:17 hoodedice Hey
19:17 sapier1 but this is only true for computational tasks if you need to do a lot of map operations you should take care
19:17 hoodedice Do I need to be online on a server for someone to teleport me?
19:18 Jordach BOOM! http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/363/untitled.png
19:18 Jordach 2.0 Mimic
19:18 thexyz sapier1: I don't see this in that pdf
19:18 thexyz sapier1: I can't find -O2 in that pdf either
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19:19 sapier1 http://www.file-upload.net/download-8033732/performance_comparison_pathfinding.pdf.html
19:20 thexyz that too, I only see -O3 and -O0
19:20 sapier1 yes I didn't do the full testset for -O2
19:20 thexyz don't see the point of comparing with -O0 though
19:21 sapier1 -O0 is debug ...despite some ppl think it's usefull to debug -O1
19:21 thexyz what's the point of comparing performance with debug version while most people will use release?
19:22 thexyz anyway, it's in core for a reason
19:23 sapier1 yes core is still faster using core and it's terribly slow in lua ;-)
19:23 thexyz someone has nothing to do
19:23 thexyz john_minetest: install http://www.templeos.org/ on that
19:27 thexyz john_minetest: why not use virtual machine?
19:27 thexyz did you consider LFS?
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19:30 mnb_ nore, I tried  /give mesecons:command_block and it says cannot give an unknown item
19:30 mnb_ any other ideas?
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19:33 DanDuncombe Is VanessaE awake?
19:35 mnb_ how do u enable command block in mesecons?
19:37 DanDuncombe Guys, is VanessaE awake?
19:37 mnb_ danduncombe, not sure
19:37 khonkhortisan Should I use microcontrollers, luacontrollers, or gates? I'm attempting checkers with mesecons
19:37 DanDuncombe She would reply if she was
19:37 kaeza ...
19:37 DanDuncombe Use luacontrollers for comapctness
19:38 kaeza DanDuncombe, read the channel topic
19:38 DanDuncombe Channel topic?
19:38 mnb_ anyone here know how to enable command blocks?
19:38 mnb_ do i put something in minetest.conf?
19:39 kaeza mnb_, /giveme mesecons_commandblock:commandblock_off
19:39 kaeza source: https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons/blob/master/mesecons_commandblock/init.lua#L173
19:40 DanDuncombe VanessaE, when you have time, can you update tbm??
19:40 mnb_ thank you
19:40 kaeza np
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19:44 DanDuncombe Is 60 a good use number for a relatively good pick?
19:44 Jordach john_minetest, jesus fucking christ that's an old monitor
19:46 DanDuncombe Because uses number seems to be lower than the actual number of uses
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19:49 Jordach thexyz, templeOS looks nice
19:49 Jordach very nice
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19:51 octobot post empty weekend
19:52 t3o hi. is there a "how to write mods" tutorial somewhere? I didn't find one in the wiki
19:52 thexyz t3o: did you check http://dev.minetest.net/Main_Page
19:56 LazyJ I see in the /client/shaders sub-folders there are sets of identically named files. Are they functional yet or is it a feature being worked on?
19:59 t3o thexyz: thanks!
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20:31 Jordach hey Peacock
20:31 Peacock greetings
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20:35 Peacock heres an interesting question: how can i get the latest xfce on a debian-based distro using old repos? (without changing the repos and updating a bunch of crap im fine with)
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20:36 sapier1 get xfce sources build your own debs
20:36 thexyz you need a different distro if you want to do stuff like this
20:36 Peacock so theres no specific repo just for xfce? :(
20:37 sapier1 maybe you could have a look at debian backports but I don't think there will be latest xfce
20:37 Peacock i just want the xfce version that tiles windows when you drag them to edges
20:38 thexyz Peacock: what's your distro?
20:38 Peacock crunchbang
20:38 thexyz dunno then, Debian supports pinning though https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences#Pinning
20:38 Peacock i check on the forums but its mostly "sudo apt-get install xfce4"
20:40 Exio4 use debian sid Peacock
20:41 Peacock checked that out too, could be conflicts between #!'s waldorf repo and changing debian wheezy to sid repo :/
20:42 kaeza [17:41:25] <VE-Survival> *** lord-swaggerton joined the game
20:42 kaeza :|
20:43 Peacock looks legit
20:44 Jordach swag and yolo will die in time, just like the armies of MLP fans
20:45 Peacock heck i ban anyone with minecraft or minetest in the name lol
20:45 Peacock thinking of adding a basic arithmetic question before letting people get on XD
20:45 kaeza minetest too? O_o
20:45 Peacock oddly enough, people with 'minetest' in the name tends to grief too lol
20:45 kaeza Peacock, implement captcha with formspecs :P
20:46 thexyz > hey if i put minetest in name instead of minecraft they won't ban me
20:46 Peacock ^ probably what theyre thinking yeah
20:46 Peacock the best one was 'minetest-user%d%d%d' lol
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20:47 Peacock the whole server now is basically whitelist except for 2000*2000 area north-east
20:50 thexyz Jordach: when will MLP fans die?
20:50 Jordach when the artist does
20:50 Jordach s/does/dies
20:50 Peacock MLP fans = formerly sailor moon fans
20:51 thexyz Jordach: I think it's drawn/animated by multiple people
20:51 Jordach thexyz, people eventually get bored
20:51 * Jordach thinks there is a specialised version of the pony models Taoki has
20:52 thexyz then they'll find more people
20:52 Jordach thexyz, you know how everyone gets infections?
20:52 Jordach once it's gone it's gone
20:53 Jordach MLP works like that, it infects, then continues until the host gets bored
20:53 thexyz lol, okay
20:53 thexyz I've never watched it anyway
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20:55 Peacock in the 80s it was the carebears lol
20:56 thexyz great https://github.com/jloughry/BANCStar/blob/master/README.md
20:56 Jordach ^ that
20:57 thexyz Peacock: was this show watched by adults?
20:57 Peacock it probably did have it's overage fans but there wasn't much internet back then for people to admit to it lol
21:01 Jordach Teaser: http://i.imgur.com/qxX0iyK.png
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21:25 Jordach omfg
21:25 * Jordach found a awesome replacement for yolo
21:25 Jordach tolo
21:25 kaeza ?
21:25 Jordach tits out legs open
21:25 Jordach :P
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21:25 kaeza :|
21:29 Jordach who needs youtube rippers when VLC does that for me :D
21:29 thexyz > VLC
21:29 Jordach thexyz, the only bug i have with vlc is that video sometimes pixelates if it's high-res
21:29 Jordach but then again i don't often watch high-res videos
21:30 thexyz lol
21:30 thexyz where's my vlc pictures
21:30 thexyz http://i.imgur.com/BmF52.jpg
21:30 Jordach thexyz, .jpg, no wonder why large areas are msising
21:31 Jordach missing*
21:31 thexyz okay
21:32 Jordach A) VLC opens most 720p DVD rips fine
21:32 Jordach B) I don't have issues, because I'm not using Linux
21:32 thexyz https://www.google.ru/search?q=site:irc.minetest.ru&amp;tbm=isch
21:32 Jordach bar that pixelation
21:32 thexyz > most
21:32 thexyz are you even serious
21:33 thexyz you're fine with player that fails to open some of 720p rips?
21:33 thexyz also, I was sure DVD is not 720p
21:33 Jordach fuck me
21:33 Jordach WOAH WOAH WOAH
21:33 Jordach how did my face get image #5 in google results
21:33 Jordach #6*
21:34 thexyz don't worry, it's #7 for me
21:34 thexyz so it's ok
21:34 thexyz people post their personal info
21:34 thexyz then get surprised of it being public
21:34 PilzAdam AFAIK there is no picture from me in the internet
21:34 Jordach PilzAdam, NSA
21:35 Jordach PilzAdam, it's just laughable
21:35 thexyz lol http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/295/sadbot.png
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21:35 thexyz PilzAdam: how do you stop your friends from posting photos with you?
21:35 Jordach MinetestBot once took a day off, i figured where she went of
21:36 Jordach off*
21:36 Jordach PilzAdam, you're screwed if we have a minetest-con
21:36 hoodedice Peacock
21:36 PilzAdam thexyz, my friends dont take pictures of me
21:37 thexyz okay
21:37 PilzAdam maybe my previous school has some pictures of my class on its website, but there are 25+ people
21:38 Jordach thexyz, let's play the PilzAdam photo hunting game
21:38 thexyz Jordach: why would you do that?
21:39 Jordach because it wastes more time than that damn candy box
21:39 thexyz I'm against any kind of de-anonymization here
21:39 Jordach PilzAdam, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=108598#p108598
21:40 Jordach thexyz, i'm joking
21:40 Peacock i dont get why anyone would show pics of themselves to people they'll never meet irl lol
21:40 thexyz just in case someone thinks it's fine
21:40 PilzAdam Jordach, the first link he posted required JS
21:40 thexyz Jordach: wow so deep
21:40 Jordach Peacock, my father's best words: "At the end of the day, does ANYONE give a FUCK?"
21:41 hoodedice Peacock
21:41 hoodedice I need a platform or something in the middle of my nation
21:41 Jordach thexyz, lol
21:41 hoodedice (Can't build)
21:41 Jordach > Russian
21:41 Jordach > Cries
21:41 Jordach nope.avi
21:42 Peacock its almost kinda creepy lol
21:42 thexyz now I want this http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2013-04-16#i_3022204
21:43 Jordach notbad.pngf
21:43 Jordach -f
21:43 Jordach thexyz, just ask paramat the next time you see him
21:43 hoodedice Yo Peacock?
21:43 hoodedice At least grant me nation interact with Aquisomething
21:44 hoodedice till I make a nice little path to my place
21:44 Peacock the coords are in the op, you're nowhere near
21:45 hoodedice Zwiz the zwizzing negative schist
21:45 hoodedice zwiz everything !
21:46 thexyz Jordach: be prepared to candybox2 btw
21:47 thexyz s/to/for/
21:48 hoodedice Is the place underwater?
21:48 thexyz http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/pics/zeichnungen/minetest-dad.png good times
21:48 Peacock there's nothing there like the last place
21:49 Jordach wasn't elerlamann(is that close?) who made that
21:50 thexyz erlehmann
21:50 hoodedice Do you mean to say there is nothing at all?
21:50 hoodedice lol
21:50 Jordach i saw on the image
21:52 Peacock dont destroy twoelks' stuff
21:52 hoodedice ?
21:52 hoodedice I dont see it?
21:52 Peacock he decided to build on the ocean floor
21:52 hoodedice Nor will I remove anything that is already built
21:52 hoodedice OK.
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21:56 hoodedice Hey this twoelk guy?
21:56 hoodedice What's up with his structure?
21:58 Peacock ?
22:00 thexyz PilzAdam: do you really browse web with JS disabled?
22:00 hoodedice It's under my nation, but he's of another nation
22:00 PilzAdam almost disabled, I have a whitelist in noscript
22:01 thexyz good
22:01 Peacock he's in both since he's built alot of stuff in both
22:01 hoodedice Why do you do that @Pilz?
22:02 hoodedice hmm @Peacock : Dual-citizenship I see.
22:02 Peacock and i admin all nations now
22:03 hoodedice (Now that I've found my nation, I'm at peace and can go to sleep now)
22:06 * Jordach comes back with hot buttery toast
22:07 Peacock as opposed to ugly buttery toast? :p
22:09 hoodedice Peacock, what's up with these bunch of errors?
22:09 Peacock not sure
22:09 Peacock how do i figure out which mod causes this:
22:09 Peacock Map::setNode(): Not allowing to place CONTENT_IGNORE while trying to replace "air" at (-243,101,6) (block (-16,6,0))
22:10 hoodedice Yup that one
22:10 hoodedice I got it - occurs on placing sign on top of a node
22:10 Peacock ah i think i know why
22:14 Peacock stupid sign_yard references
22:14 PilzAdam Jordach, is the toast still alive?
22:15 * Jordach ate it
22:16 Jordach btw, i'm referencing one of BlockMen's mods
22:17 hoodedice Dude, Prison
22:17 hoodedice lol
22:19 hoodedice Peacock?
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22:22 Peacock what about prison"?
22:22 hoodedice dude's stuck in prison
22:23 hoodedice A genuine case of pure and absolute
22:23 hoodedice stupidity
22:23 Peacock well how stupid do you have to be to beam out of freebuild and try to do shit in a protected area?
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22:24 hoodedice He pressed the button on the teleporter
22:24 hoodedice That's stupid.
22:25 Peacock lol
22:26 Peacock more lols
22:26 Jordach that's like me playing GTA 4 and killed thousands of people with the cops chasing me, and then handing myself over
22:26 hoodedice And now he's auto-jailed for prison break
22:27 Peacock i think ill let darwin handle this one
22:27 Jordach see, look, right now he's probably turning in his grave
22:27 hoodedice Darwin nomination
22:27 hoodedice Indeed
22:28 hoodedice What should I say?
22:29 hoodedice No can do?
22:29 Peacock not your problem lol
22:29 hoodedice Indeed
22:31 Peacock in any case im thinking of adding a basic arithmetic before letting people on
22:31 Peacock *arithmetic question
22:31 hoodedice haha
22:33 hoodedice How about Sinx/Cosx?
22:34 Peacock more like 2 + 2 = ? lol
22:34 hoodedice TOO HARD !
22:35 hoodedice Because that's a problem for 1st graders, and I'm in college lolol
22:35 hoodedice No way I can solve that !
22:35 Peacock or if i wanted to go all trek, id put them in a room with four lights and ask how many lights do they see (correct answer is 5)
22:36 hoodedice How so?
22:40 FreeFull Today I learned ? lol = 4
22:40 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/t70NKIk.png
22:40 FreeFull Jordach: I want that
22:40 hoodedice How so?
22:40 * Jordach to
22:40 FreeFull Win 3.x hell yeah
22:41 Jordach too*
22:41 hoodedice FreeFull get on WaterWorld
22:41 FreeFull hoodedice: Is there something new?
22:42 hoodedice Ya, started a new nation
22:42 hoodedice =/
22:42 thexyz Peacock: 1+1
22:42 thexyz =?
22:42 thexyz http://de2.eu.apcdn.com/full/107734.png
22:42 hoodedice I KNOW !!!
22:42 hoodedice 11
22:43 hoodedice thexyz ; I did not see that
22:43 hoodedice *:
22:43 thexyz get it?
22:44 hoodedice Those pictures on the bottom...
22:44 Peacock the worst part is alot of these kids still get passing grades in school lol
22:44 hoodedice Indeed
22:46 PilzAdam whats 101 base i?
22:47 Peacock all your base are belong to us, obviously
22:47 hoodedice -.-
22:48 PilzAdam its 0
22:48 PilzAdam I guess it doesnt really  make sense at a base for any system, but its fun
22:48 hoodedice Peacock
22:49 Peacock dont you just hate it when people ask questions they already know the answer to? like "does this dress make me look fat?"  :P
22:49 hoodedice Connection problem
22:51 FreeFull Peacock: Where's smoker's dome?
22:52 hoodedice New nation free
22:52 PilzAdam oh wait, its 2, 11 base i would be 0
22:52 hoodedice Nursomething has expanded
22:52 hoodedice So we've relocated
22:52 hoodedice teleport to Nursomething Annex
22:52 FreeFull Peacock: I can't do anything in my house anymore
22:53 Peacock you had a house there? when i check it out, there were 3 little towers
22:53 hoodedice *Two towers a wall, and a house.
22:53 jojoa1997 bbl
22:54 hoodedice *,
22:55 hoodedice Peacock : Connection problems
22:55 Peacock i think ill just take twoelk's cue and setup bigger countries much further out
22:55 Peacock like 10,15,20K away from spawn
22:55 PilzAdam apparently my calculations are complete bullshit
22:55 FreeFull Peacock: Says my house is part of aquilea
22:55 hoodedice *Facepalm*
22:56 hoodedice Dude...
22:56 hoodedice Smoker's dome is now a part of Numex
22:56 FreeFull This was the freebuild area before
22:56 hoodedice Not freebuild
22:56 FreeFull I didn't build my house in the smoker area
22:56 Peacock yeah i changed protection systems since then
22:57 Peacock freebuild is this small area northeast now
22:57 hoodedice So you are now in my nation, Corellia.
22:57 FreeFull hoodedice: I had a house in the freebuild area
22:57 Peacock sokomine and twoelk needed protection so i made a country there
22:57 hoodedice I had two towers
22:57 hoodedice =)
22:57 FreeFull Not in the smokers nation
22:58 hoodedice Forget it. Start from scratch
22:58 FreeFull I made a tower in the smoker's nation
22:58 FreeFull For observation
22:58 hoodedice IN THE SMOKERS NATION !
22:58 hoodedice Wait. -,-
22:58 hoodedice wut?
22:58 hoodedice *-.-
22:58 hoodedice And Peacock : Connection problems. -.-
22:58 FreeFull hoodedice: My house was in the freebuild area, my tower was in smoker's nation
22:58 hoodedice whatever
22:59 hoodedice Protection ranges have changed
22:59 hoodedice Move out. Period.
22:59 FreeFull I have no idea if the tower exists anymore
22:59 FreeFull Or if I am the citizen of any nation
22:59 hoodedice Make another one !
22:59 hoodedice You are a citizen of Correlia now.
23:00 hoodedice Teleport to Numex Annex and turn around
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23:00 Peacock simple, i filled up my space, smokers had a nearly empty disk, so i took it
23:00 FreeFull hoodedice: Three colums there but not my tower
23:00 Peacock 6
23:00 Peacock lol
23:01 FreeFull 6
23:01 hoodedice Forget it !
23:01 hoodedice Man...
23:01 FreeFull I just want to visit it before I habitatte correlia
23:01 FreeFull habitate
23:01 FreeFull If it still exists at all
23:02 Peacock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107715#p107715
23:02 FreeFull There was also a bunker but I don't care about that
23:02 FreeFull Peacock: I like those
23:02 hoodedice Those bunkers were white?
23:02 Peacock well hold off building anything important, ill probably create a few aritificial islands and new countries if you want one of those
23:03 FreeFull The bunker looked like concrete and was filled with monitors
23:03 FreeFull It was below smoker's nation, sort of bolted on
23:03 FreeFull The tower was right by the teleporter
23:03 Peacock in the last two weeks i also got rid of alot of news when i enabled upside-down placement
23:03 Peacock *nodes not news
23:04 hoodedice Wow. -,- . Hold off building...
23:04 hoodedice *-.-
23:04 Peacock only if you want an island
23:04 FreeFull I'm not building anything
23:04 Peacock otherwise disregard
23:04 hoodedice " The bunker looked like concrete and was filled with monitors" ladders?
23:04 hoodedice And signs outside
23:04 hoodedice Yeah, those are mine
23:04 FreeFull No sign
23:04 FreeFull Just an entrance
23:04 FreeFull It was tiny
23:04 hoodedice *were
23:05 Peacock well i redecked the disks so you might not be able to find it lol
23:05 FreeFull I am talking about one I made ages ago
23:05 Peacock nodebox grating was dragging FPS down too much
23:05 hoodedice Whatever
23:05 FreeFull Maybe if I get up really high and boost my range
23:05 hoodedice I;m still unable to connect
23:05 hoodedice Darn
23:06 FreeFull Wtf, this tower near spawn doesn't even have any way to go up
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23:06 Peacock a few of them are missing stairwells lol
23:06 FreeFull I see =P
23:07 Peacock still waiting for a non-teleport elevator too lol
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23:07 FreeFull Found one with a stairwell
23:07 FreeFull I think I even climbed this one before
23:07 FreeFull Dammit, just realised clouds will get in the way
23:08 Peacock i disabled clouds on my client a long time ago
23:08 Peacock at the height they are, its more like fog lol
23:08 hoodedice http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1JyzHgP6tRo/Tzcyue1LoOI/AAAAAAAAVwk/UibJVSbQ46Y/s1600/316445_166056220152808_141498899275207_324992_313990263_n.jpg
23:08 FreeFull This might actually be a bit too high
23:08 hoodedice Disabled clouds?
23:08 hoodedice I still get em
23:09 hoodedice Anyway Peacock, can you bother a restart?
23:09 FreeFull hoodedice: Lady mcbeth said something about you being banned
23:09 hoodedice what for?
23:09 FreeFull No idea
23:09 hoodedice =/
23:10 hoodedice *Flashback*
23:11 FreeFull I can't see anything other than the tops of the nearby buildings
23:11 hoodedice trolled a dude in jail, interacted with a few out-of-nation blocks, put up some useless (but funnyornot) signs
23:11 FreeFull Too high
23:11 hoodedice hmm?
23:11 FreeFull Ground should be fine too
23:12 FreeFull Ok, that's the formerly freebuild area
23:12 hoodedice I don't think that's enough for a ban, but since I'm banned
23:13 FreeFull That's some island I have never seen before
23:13 FreeFull Oh, that's a freebuild area apparently
23:13 hoodedice white island?
23:13 FreeFull Says freebuild but is numenor
23:13 FreeFull Sign needs to be redacted
23:13 FreeFull Oh
23:14 FreeFull It actually placed the dirt block
23:14 hoodedice http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-talk-to-the-hand-23.png
23:14 FreeFull It is freebuild
23:14 Peacock wife says she banned you, and since she controls the sex, i aint going against her lol
23:14 hoodedice reason?
23:15 hoodedice Joke on periods?...........................
23:15 FreeFull Huh, a lot of underwater stuff
23:15 Peacock didn't ask, was smoking on the balcony
23:16 hoodedice Well, that's that.
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23:21 FreeFull I walked around, my tower seems to be gone for good
23:21 FreeFull Time to go oto corellia
23:21 FreeFull All the buildings look really nice
23:22 Peacock there might have been an accident with eY in the old corellia, if thats where the tower was
23:22 FreeFull Oh wait, corellia dome is where I once built something but then took it down
23:23 FreeFull Used to be smoker's dome
23:23 hoodedice wow. Now you got it.
23:23 FreeFull Hmm, if I can somehow get out into the water I can swim straight to where I know my tower was
23:23 Peacock do you want an island?
23:23 FreeFull hoodedice: I did but now I saw proof
23:24 FreeFull I like building underwater
23:24 FreeFull Stairs into the water are still there but they are unknown blocks now
23:24 kaeza https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7770896896/h50F950B0/
23:25 Peacock highly probable when i added upside-down placement (6d) i got rid of all the upside down nodes
23:25 Peacock inventory went from 6 to 3.5 pages lol
23:25 hoodedice lol @kaeza
23:26 FreeFull Yep, I think one of the six colums is exactly where my tower used to be
23:26 FreeFull Peacock: The stairs were right side up
23:26 FreeFull Must have been when you got rid of something else
23:26 FreeFull Oh, thinking about it, my tower was made out of the same stuff as those stairs
23:26 FreeFull Once you removed stuff it must have been completely made out of unknown blocks
23:28 FreeFull Peacock: Are you sue on the sever?
23:28 FreeFull server*
23:28 Peacock shh, dont tell people ;P
23:28 Peacock otherwise id be babysitting all the kids
23:29 hoodedice XD
23:29 Peacock yeah i did run a cleanup script on unknown blocks, there were a shitton
23:29 Peacock i made Ardenia, 5K from the nearest development, should provide ample room
23:31 hoodedice Peacock, reason found yet?
23:31 FreeFull Peacock: You could have said no =P
23:31 FreeFull Peacock: I bet there wasn't a single block of my tower left
23:31 FreeFull Or my bunker
23:32 Peacock there wasn't anything there when i got there, though i know someone fucked up with the worldeditor and ended up clearing a huge area so
23:33 Peacock working on node protection * multinode now
23:34 FreeFull I guess my old house is part of the ol' freebuild museum
23:38 FreeFull Server is lagging
23:41 FreeFull Hmm, should the rim be white glass or black glass
23:41 octobot joined #minetest
23:46 hoodedice so...
23:54 Jordach bull. shit.
23:54 Jordach lost every damn game of solitair
23:54 Jordach e*
23:55 FreeFull I think a transparent top with an opaque bottom will be good
23:55 hoodedice (And I am mererly forgotten)
23:55 hoodedice Peacock isn't here btw

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