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00:43 PilzAdam bye
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01:18 VanessaE https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=486497288112820&set=a.131482626947623.26426.127279670701252&type=1&ref=nf
01:18 VanessaE I'VE DISCOVERED THE REAL OCTOCAT!
01:19 theinvsblman hi, i've got a problem with axisAlignedCollision
01:19 theinvsblman sometimes (randomly?) it calculates a negative collision time causing me to collide with stuff that isn't there
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02:55 VanessaE meh, off to bed.
02:55 VanessaE theinvsblman: no clue there, sorry
02:55 theinvsblman yeah, it doesn't make any sense
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05:39 nore hi all
05:42 hoodedice yo
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07:40 Mossmanikin Hi folks
07:41 sfan5 hi
07:41 VanessaE hi
07:41 Calinou hi
07:42 nore hi
07:42 nore sfan5: you need to fix the technic_game server
07:42 nore in treetap.lua, you need to change moretrees
07:43 nore and you need to add something to fix that;
07:43 nore https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/issues/84
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07:46 Mossmanikin just curious; is 0.4.8 going to be released one of these days?
07:46 VanessaE sure, one of these days :)
07:47 Calinou when HL3 is released
07:47 nore in less than 1 year ;)
07:47 Mossmanikin sounds good :D
07:51 VanessaE nore, how does technic_game differ from technic the mod pack?  people on my server seemed to have little trouble getting going making technic LV stuff
07:51 nore how did they get rubber then?
07:51 VanessaE beats me
07:52 nore or did you leave normal pipeworks recipes?
07:52 VanessaE might be because of pipeworks recipes then
07:52 VanessaE they are whatever they're coded to be when under the influence of technic :)
07:52 nore because the issue is only if the pipeworks recipes for tubes are disabled
07:53 VanessaE right
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08:13 VanessaE well wait a minute
08:13 VanessaE what does technic even *need* the tubes for in the first place?
08:14 VanessaE I mean, it still works without them, at the expense of convenience, right?
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08:55 VanessaE bbl
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09:26 Mossmanikin Hi bas080
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09:48 Akisync hi
09:49 Mossmanikin Hi Akisync
09:49 Akisync Is C55 in here?
09:49 PenguinDad hello Akisync
09:49 PenguinDad nope
09:50 bas080 Hey Mossmanikin
09:50 PenguinDad he is in #minetest-dev but webchat is muted
09:50 Akisync I jsut went to the minetest blog (C55 blog) and then clicked the "who?" link and then clicked an image and Firefox displays the scary "REPORTED ATTACK PAGE!!!" message
09:51 Akisync thought I'd let him know
09:51 Akisync Mossmanikin: I'm Aki__ from yesterday btw ^-^
09:51 sfan5 link please?
09:51 Akisync http://c55.me/blog/?page_id=545
09:51 Akisync click any image in Firefox
09:51 sfan5 c55.me seems down
09:51 Mossmanikin Akisync. ah, ok, hi Aki__ :D
09:52 sfan5 Akisync: chrome does that too
09:52 PenguinDad sfan5: huh, not not for me
09:52 sfan5 just ignore it
09:52 sfan5 PenguinDad: try this url http://celeron.55.lt/blog/?attachment_id=560
09:52 sfan5 55.lt seems to be flagged for malware
09:53 Mossmanikin Have the same "Reported Attack Page!"
09:53 Mossmanikin Both links
09:54 PenguinDad for me only the 55.lt link
09:55 Mossmanikin First link not directly, only if I click on pic
09:57 sfan5 Mossmanikin: if you click on the pic it goes too 55.lt so..
09:57 Mossmanikin sfan5: ah ok, now I see
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09:58 Akisync dc
09:58 Akisync I think Google operate the attack page reporting service used by both browsers
10:00 PenguinDad 12:00:00: ERROR[main]: Client: Received more files than requested: total count=198 total received=198 bunch 3/45 files=3 size=5518
10:01 PenguinDad ^ weird error
10:01 sfan5 wat
10:01 sfan5 !c 198-198
10:01 MinetestBot 0
10:01 Mossmanikin Just clicked a bit through and saw this pic: http://c55.me/wp-uploads/2011/10/tscrot-2011-10-13_11-49-24.png texture transition like on that pic would be cool for mt
10:01 sfan5 0 too many files
10:01 sfan5 thats ternadim
10:02 Akisync sfan5: Is that an RTS in the minetest engine?
10:03 sfan5 Akisync: not minetest engine
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10:03 aldobr hi all
10:04 Akisync hi aldobr
10:04 Mossmanikin Hi aldobr
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10:26 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:26 PenguinDad hi PilzAdam
10:26 jin_xi hi PilzAdam
10:29 Mossmanikin Hi PilzAdam
10:29 Akisync morning PilzAdam
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10:57 john_minetest Hello everypony
10:58 * Calinou tips horn
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10:59 Mossmanikin Hi john_minetest :D
10:59 PenguinDad hello john
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11:20 john_minetest A nice mod would be a message/inbox mod.
11:21 PenguinDad have you tried chatplus?
11:21 john_minetest no, didn't see it yet.
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11:22 john_minetest Something like "/adm tehgrieferz1337 is a griefer" to contact an admin to tell that someone is griefing would be nice.
11:22 john_minetest Some kind of ticket system.
11:22 Jordach uh oh
11:23 * Jordach thinks minetest.net has expired
11:23 john_minetest /ticket Lava on my house at 0,300,344
11:24 john_minetest Then every admin can type /read and read all tickets.
11:24 PilzAdam Jordach, why do you think so?
11:25 PenguinDad you can easily do that with changing chatplus
11:25 john_minetest Then it shows "id, username, time, message" and a message can be deleted with "/ticketdel id"
11:25 Jordach Could not connect to forum.minetest.net
11:25 PilzAdam Jordach, what has forum.minetest.net to do with minetest.net ?
11:25 PilzAdam thexyz, forum is down
11:26 Jordach i am able to get some of the page, but it's just in text
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11:26 * PenguinDad can't do it either
11:26 thexyz PilzAdam: it's not
11:26 PilzAdam then its really slow
11:27 thexyz it's not slow
11:27 PilzAdam why cant we connect then?
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11:28 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/TNhxmYN.png
11:28 thexyz you can
11:28 john_minetest Hi Zeg9
11:28 john_minetest Jordach: I can connect
11:28 Zeg9 Hello
11:28 john_minetest Just looked at several mods.
11:28 PilzAdam oh, now it works again
11:28 Zeg9 Dammit my connection is just getting even worse again
11:28 Zeg9 or is it the minetest forums?
11:28 PilzAdam bbl
11:29 PenguinDad The connection was reset
11:29 thexyz automatic update check fucked it up, I've disabled it already
11:29 Calinou Jordach: gotta like how the reason is hidden by default
11:29 Calinou really, that is stupid
11:30 Jordach is it me or spambots are getting smarter: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107702#p107702
11:31 Jordach (post binned)
11:32 * jin_xi sighs
11:34 Mossmanikin Jordach: was in a topic about texture tutorials?
11:35 Jordach Mossmanikin: correct, but he also added a spam link (yes, i do visit them)
11:36 Jordach i saw one like that yesterday
11:36 Mossmanikin Jordach: didn't click it, but know what you mean, at first I really thought it was ontopic
11:37 Jordach they *ARE* getting smarter
11:37 Jordach sfan5: can i have a word quickly
11:38 sfan5 hm?
11:38 Jordach sfan5: dont worry
11:38 Jordach we need a switching station
11:39 Jordach sfan5: i have technic machines built
11:39 sfan5 i know
11:44 * Jordach found a diamond in one of the generated mines
11:45 Jordach nore: do switching stations need to be attached to each power source
11:50 Jordach oh, hold on, i think i understand it now
11:52 nore Jordach, I already built one
11:52 Jordach ah
11:52 Jordach is it really that badly designed? power should just flow from one cable to another
11:52 nore it was *very* expensive
11:53 Jordach still fucking is
11:56 Calinou technic should have Thunderbolt cables, they look better than normal cables, do the same thing and are 3× as hard to craft
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12:06 Mossmanikin Zeg9: just checked the mod, I guess you took a feature for a bug
12:08 Zeg9 Mossmanikin, did you try digging an empty piece of paper?
12:09 Mossmanikin Zeg9: yes I did, can't reproduce some bug like that
12:09 Zeg9 wait, I seem to have an old version
12:09 Zeg9 lemme download the latest one...
12:10 Mossmanikin Zeg9: ok, in older versions it was different
12:10 Zeg9 I got 0.0.3, is there a new version ? (the forum page won't load)
12:10 Mossmanikin Yep, 0.0.4
12:11 Zeg9 ok, just downloaded it, you already fixed it
12:11 Zeg9 I'll remove my post if you dont mind
12:12 Mossmanikin I don't, I'll remove my response too then
12:14 Peacock ugh, anyone else tired of hearing about syria? lol im thinking of closing my twitter acct
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12:15 Zeg9 what is syria
12:15 Peacock lol
12:15 Peacock the latest distraction
12:15 Mossmanikin yeah, who's sylvia, or whtever?
12:17 Zeg9 Mossmanikin, when you don't write anything to the paper, but press ok, the letter becomes "written" - is this a wanted behavior?
12:18 Mossmanikin Zeg9: no, it's not, just didn't think about it... congratulations, you found something! :D
12:18 * Zeg9 is not bored at all
12:18 Zeg9 :P
12:19 Mossmanikin ^^
12:20 Zeg9 Fuck this ISP
12:20 Calinou lol, tor
12:20 Calinou Zeg9: aren't you on SFR?
12:20 Zeg9 Away 3 weeks -> Max connection speed = 40kB/s
12:20 Zeg9 without tor
12:20 Zeg9 nop, alice...
12:21 Calinou max connection speeds depend on when you boot the router
12:21 Calinou boot it at 3AM and you may get better speed
12:21 Zeg9 seriously?
12:22 proller Zeg9, please rebase https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/816
12:22 Calinou yes
12:22 Zeg9 proller, working on it
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12:29 Peacock which of the books/paper mods is best? (uses textfield)
12:30 Peacock i figure translating rules would be easier if they were each in their own books
12:31 Peacock vs 6 signs * every language lol
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12:32 Mossmanikin Peacock: I know https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4773 and https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6945, is there another one?
12:33 Peacock i think there's pilzadam's book mod too though i dont know if it uses textarea or fields
12:33 Peacock and im having a hard time forum-searching for it lol
12:34 PilzAdam !g site:forum.minetest.net book mod
12:34 MinetestBot PilzAdam: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4635
12:34 Peacock go google lol ([Mod] Paintings, Pictures and Animations [gemalde])
12:34 Peacock !G pilzadam book mod
12:34 Peacock !g pilzadam book mod
12:34 MinetestBot Peacock: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6616
12:35 Peacock wtf lol [Modpack]scientific[0.0] [scientific]
12:35 Mossmanikin Sorry, bot :D
12:35 Zeg9 Peacock, is the teleporter mod used on startest server available somewhere?
12:35 Peacock naw i dont release anything
12:35 Peacock one server thread is enough to keep an eye on lol
12:35 PenguinDad Peacock: this one http://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=40337#p40337 ?
12:35 MinetestBot Google sucks, sfan5, gimme ixquick support!
12:35 sfan5 PilzAdam: maybe
12:36 Peacock maybe the g function could list the top 3 results?
12:36 Peacock with an abbreviated title or something of the page
12:36 Peacock if the bot knows not to kick itself for flooding lol
12:36 PenguinDad !gc Minetest
12:36 MinetestBot Minetest: 261,000
12:36 PenguinDad !gc Crevis
12:37 MinetestBot Crevis: 102,000
12:37 Peacock gc?
12:37 sfan5 result count
12:37 Zeg9 !g Crevis
12:37 MinetestBot Zeg9: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/crevis
12:37 * PenguinDad pets MinetestBot
12:37 Jordach !gc electroware gaming
12:37 MinetestBot electroware gaming: 6,510
12:37 Peacock ah, with lua it would be like g.getn lol
12:37 Jordach !gc "electroware gaming"
12:37 MinetestBot "electroware gaming": 2
12:37 Jordach better.
12:38 Zeg9 !gc google
12:38 MinetestBot google: 6,470,000,000
12:38 PenguinDad !gc 42
12:38 MinetestBot 42: 5,700,000,000
12:38 Zeg9 !gc ms
12:38 PenguinDad :D
12:38 MinetestBot ms: 1,170,000,000
12:39 * sfan5 pets MinetestBot
12:39 Zeg9 MinetestBot should kick for cursing when we say ms
12:39 Mossmanikin :D
12:40 Zeg9 was kicked by MinetestBot: ms
12:40 PenguinDad maybe not
12:40 kaeza mornings
12:40 Mossmanikin Hi kaeza
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12:40 Zeg9 :(
12:41 andersje is anyone running minetest on a laptop with HD4000 video chipset?
12:45 Peacock oodles of fun to build: http://s8.postimg.org/qjerlfkyt/geotectura_urban_tree_8.jpg
12:47 Calinou andersje: which OS?
12:48 Calinou generally it is advised to disable compositing/desktop effects, as IGPs are bandwidth-limited
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12:50 andersje Calinou: I was figuring ubuntu.
12:50 Peacock wish i could disable compositing - but then, tearing :(
12:50 andersje dual boot with win8.  woot has a refurb i5-3230 on sale today
12:51 Jordach sfan5: we need you ASAP
12:51 andersje Calinou: thx
12:51 sfan5 ...
12:51 Jordach we're having travelnet issues
12:52 Calinou Peacock: use vsync
12:52 Calinou andersje: you cannot disable compositing in unity and win 8
12:52 Calinou for win 8: play fullscreen
12:52 Calinou for ubuntu: use an alternative WM without compositing
12:52 Calinou (suggestion: xubuntu)
12:52 Peacock meh, ive tried alot of combos of options lol the best thing that works on my rigs is compositing on + anti-tearing (ati)/vsync (nvidia)
12:53 theinvsblman can the viewing distance be shortened in minetest?
12:54 Zeg9 Press -
12:55 Calinou theinvsblman: yes, - and +
12:55 theinvsblman it doesn't do anything for me
12:55 Calinou Peacock: I don't care about tearing when moving windows personally
12:55 Calinou if I don't need reactivity in a game I use vsync
12:55 Calinou else I limit FPS to 61
12:55 Calinou Minetest with FPS limited to 61 = just awesome
12:55 Calinou very fluid, near-zero latency
12:55 Peacock naw i only get tearing with videos
12:55 Peacock and even then just certain formats
12:55 theinvsblman the game keeps loading the world until i'm at 30fps
12:56 Calinou I don't get tearing with videos (parole)
12:56 Calinou theinvsblman: do you have full viewing range on?
12:56 Calinou default key to toggle is R
12:56 theinvsblman it doesn't change anything either
12:56 Zeg9 bbl; @proller: I cant fix it atm; I'll try again later
12:56 PilzAdam theinvsblman, change wanted_fps in minetest.conf
12:56 proller no problem
12:57 Calinou PilzAdam: no
12:57 Calinou with wanted_fps = 30 you can have 300 FPS
12:57 Calinou nevermind
12:57 theinvsblman still stuck at 30fps, no matter what R/+/- combination i use
12:57 PilzAdam with + and - you change the min view range, so you dont get more FPS by decreasing it
12:58 PilzAdam you have to increase wanted_fps and decrease min view range
12:58 theinvsblman ok, thanks
12:59 theinvsblman low fps was messing with the cpma physics
12:59 Calinou FPS-dependant physics, lol
12:59 theinvsblman well it's not the physics
12:59 theinvsblman the game was too choppy to do accurate jumps
13:00 PilzAdam I have wanted_fps at 40, that works pretty good
13:00 theinvsblman btw. have you noticed that axisAlignedCollision often returns phantom collisions?
13:01 PilzAdam though the fog auto-tuner has been fixed after 0.4.7 stable, so dont bother to change it if you use stable
13:01 theinvsblman even in vanilla game
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13:14 Jordach sfan5: your sever running LuaJIT
13:14 sfan5 yes
13:28 Mossmanikin I'm off for today, see ya
13:28 PenguinDad bye Mossmanikin
13:30 * Jordach thinks Mossmanikin is german
13:30 PenguinDad Jordach: Mossmanikin is german :P
13:30 Jordach haha
13:34 andersje can an alias refer to another alias?
13:34 andersje e.g. register_alias ("onething","another"); register_alias("secondthing","onething"
13:34 andersje )
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13:34 andersje so that secondthing -> another ?
13:37 Peacock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107715#p107715
13:37 Peacock meta-voxely :p
13:40 PenguinDad !rev meta-voxely
13:40 MinetestBot ylexov-atem
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13:41 Peacock dont bother i made up the term :p
13:42 PenguinDad meta atem lol
13:43 Peacock metatem
13:43 Peacock sounds latin lol
13:43 PenguinDad atem is a german word for breath
13:48 Peacock one of the shorter words :P
13:50 Peacock thats why i wanted a books mod to hold the rules in different languages, fits better
13:50 PenguinDad you could try kaeza's wiki
13:52 Peacock well my idea was simply a set of books (different colours) with a text area
13:52 Peacock then i could put a sign referencing colour = language
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14:12 jin_xi so im trying to get some turtle objects generated via mapgen, first results here, but its clumsy http://i.imgur.com/Ii0jMlm.png
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14:13 Jordach +!
14:13 Jordach +1
14:13 sfan5 +!
14:13 sfan5 +2
14:13 PenguinDad +e
14:13 Jordach +!99
14:13 jin_xi atm its decorations which generate dummy nodes and an abm that spawns turtle defs, replacing the dummies
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14:14 Jordach notbad.png
14:14 jin_xi it seems decorations are placed after on_generated, as i cant seem to find the dummies in the mapgen object vmanip data
14:15 jin_xi so if anyone has ideas let me know
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14:17 Jordach lol, TheLastProject joins, calinou leaves
14:17 TheLastProject Next time, I'd rather have him leave before I join
14:17 TheLastProject :3
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14:21 DanDuncombe VanessaE, if you are there, can you please update the Camo Mod on your server?
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14:42 PenguinDad hi rubenwardy
14:42 rubenwardy Damn, you beat me to it!
14:42 rubenwardy Hi all!
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14:59 Jordach sfan5[Mac]: you're mad
14:59 Jordach running OS X with a minetestserver
14:59 sfan5[Mac] s/a minetestserver/2 minetestservers/
15:00 sfan5[Mac] problem?
15:10 Jordach how is it not even lagging
15:12 andersje hey, when did the color changes get propagated through?  0.4.6?  0.4.7?
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15:14 * Jordach eats ice cream
15:15 kaeza stone nyancat? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_3226910421.jpg
15:16 PenguinDad lol
15:17 Jordach is that MGV
15:17 Jordach 7*
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15:18 andersje Jordach: for the dyes?
15:20 kaeza Jordach, yes, mgv7
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15:20 kaeza the terrain it generates is simply awesome
15:20 * VanessaE peeks in
15:20 VanessaE boo
15:21 Jordach bs*
15:21 kaeza hey V
15:21 kaeza though I'm still trying to find snowy plains :<
15:22 kaeza They should start at around -15ºC
15:22 kaeza but the min temp I registered is around 30ºC
15:23 proller kaeza, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/883
15:23 proller temp fixed
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15:25 proller and! mapgen heat now in range 50+-50 -> -15 impossible
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15:26 * NekoGloop curls up in VanessaE's lap
15:27 kaeza proller, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_3227646388.jpg
15:27 kaeza and stil no snowy plains :<
15:27 proller its not mapgen temp
15:28 proller its mapgen + season + daily
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15:30 kaeza ah that explains it then
15:31 proller and you can enable weather and get snow in any place
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15:38 kaeza do I need anything else for weather?
15:39 kaeza I already have weather=true in minetest.conf
15:39 john_minetest Is weather working good or lagging?
15:40 nore VanessaE: you need to update plaintlife
15:40 nore we can't get seeds with it installed
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15:41 VanessaE plantlife doesn't redefine anything
15:41 proller kaeza, liquid_finite = 1
15:42 proller and good weather mod
15:42 nore it redefines junglegrass
15:42 proller https://github.com/proller/minetest-mod-weather/tree/weather
15:43 proller kaeza, here - https://github.com/proller/minetest/tree/next - grass converts in dirt with snow whel low temp
15:43 VanessaE nore: nope.
15:43 VanessaE moreblocks does though
15:44 nore and does it redefine grass?
15:44 VanessaE not sure, but I know it redefines junglegrass
15:45 PilzAdam I think it does, Calinou likes adding sunlight_propagates=true to almost all nodes for some strange reason
15:46 john_minetest kaeza: How does weather work for you? Is it performant?
15:46 nore Calinou: you need to update moreblocks (imposseible to get seeds)
15:46 VanessaE calinou ain't here :)
15:46 kaeza john_minetest, seems to run fine
15:46 VanessaE PilzAdam: because no one wants to bother to fix the fucking smooth lighting on..well..everything but whole cubes.
15:47 Mallot1 I RULE!!!!
15:47 Mallot1 PROGRAMMIN ALL HE WAY BABY!!!
15:47 sfan5 !op
15:47 john_minetest kaeza: Ok, then it may be added to Zegaton II.
15:47 Mallot1 !op??
15:47 Mallot1 !op
15:47 john_minetest only ops can be opped.
15:48 Mallot1 oh lol ok
15:48 john_minetest Wow, OldCoder's new servers are running a lot faster than the old ones.
15:48 john_minetest Loads terrain at the speed of fast (run).
15:51 sfan6 lol :D
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15:52 Evergreen Question:  Why hasn't VanessaE's extended colors.txt been merged?
15:52 nore <nore> Calinou: you need to update moreblocks (imposseible to get seeds)
15:52 heh hehehe
15:52 Calinou seeds?
15:52 PilzAdam heh, do you have problems?
15:52 nore with farming in the default
15:52 VanessaE Calinou: default farming mod
15:53 heh yup :D
15:53 Calinou why would it be impossible to get seeds
15:53 VanessaE Calinou: digging junglegrass is supposed to drop seeds now and then
15:53 nore because moreblocks redefines jinglegrass
15:53 VanessaE ditto for wild grass
15:53 Calinou oohh
15:53 Calinou doing it
15:53 Jordach a: stop nick spamming
15:53 PilzAdam sfan5, banhammer
15:53 a sorry
15:53 Jordach !kick a
15:53 a was kicked by MinetestBot: a
15:53 Calinou one-letter nicks are registered by randomers
15:54 sfan5 god damnit
15:54 Evergreen a: Stop changing your nick
15:54 Jordach sfan5: ninja'd
15:54 PenguinDad Evergreen: a ain't here
15:54 sfan5 >:(
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15:54 PilzAdam Jordach, you forgot to ban
15:54 sfan5 !kick a
15:54 a was kicked by MinetestBot: a
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15:54 sfan5 !ban *@24.102.150.211*
15:54 Jordach can we ban the alphabet
15:55 sfan5 !kick a
15:55 a was kicked by MinetestBot: a
15:55 * Jordach thinks people who try to use !op get kicked
15:55 nore sfan5, once Calinou will have updated moreblocks, could you update it on the server?
15:55 sfan5 good idea :D
15:55 Jordach or even !kick
15:55 sfan5 nore: sure
15:56 * Jordach thinks !kickban would be also nice
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15:57 sfan5[Mac] I could do that right now...
15:57 sfan5[Mac] but nah..
15:58 PenguinDad Jordach: there's /kickban at least in weechat
16:00 * Jordach hands sfan5[Mac] a energy drink
16:01 sfan5[Mac] :D
16:01 Calinou alternatively, I can poke upstream (oh hai PilzAdam) to use sunlight_propagates = true
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16:02 Calinou tell me when you see grass, ladders, signs, fences that block light IRL
16:02 Calinou but I'll redefine them for no
16:02 Calinou +w
16:02 nore sfan5, when you update the server, could you join for a sec?
16:02 PilzAdam Calinou, these things do block light IRL
16:02 Calinou yes but not on a whole block
16:03 Calinou you can't replicate such behavior in minetest...
16:03 john_minetest Is it possible to set the overall brightness of the game to a fixed value while it is raining for example?
16:03 PilzAdam thats up to the lighting system, not the Lua definition
16:03 Calinou why don't you make them sunlight_propagates = true?
16:03 john_minetest It would be good to have a function that sets the value to a fixed amount and one to set it back to the daylight-specific value.
16:03 Calinou they're UGLY
16:04 Calinou and the floor being slightly darkened below them too
16:04 sfan5[Mac] nore: maybe
16:04 Calinou and it decreases performance while we're at it
16:04 PilzAdam Calinou, I can enable fullbright, that increases performance a lot!
16:05 * ShadowNinja agrees with Calinou
16:05 PilzAdam and no annoying shadows anymore!
16:05 Jordach PilzAdam: stop trolling :P
16:05 PilzAdam anyway, back to topic: the sunglight_propagates flag has to be removed when we get proper hardware lighting
16:05 PilzAdam because then everyone expects these things to have shadows
16:05 Calinou updated
16:06 Calinou no, it doesn't
16:06 Calinou leaves-like stuff may or may not cast shadow
16:06 Calinou also we'll never have proper HW lighting anyway :P
16:06 PilzAdam these things are up to the lighting system, not the Lua definition
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16:07 VanessaE for once I agree with PilzAdam
16:07 Jordach DUN DUN DURR
16:07 john_minetest The snow stops when I'm in a house...
16:08 VanessaE shadows and lighting belong to the lighting system.  sunlight propagating (or not) should only depend on whether the object is transparent or not.  nothing more.
16:08 john_minetest Lol, like in reallife: You walk through the rain, snow and storm and when you get inside the sun starts shining...
16:09 Calinou VanessaE: what if you have very thick leaves, with only a few transparent pixels.
16:09 Calinou you want them to block light
16:09 Calinou if you have "thinner" leaves you don't want to
16:09 VanessaE then draw your textures/design your models to accomplish that effect?
16:11 VanessaE either that or there needs to be a "density" parameter
16:12 VanessaE one needs to be able to tell the engine "this object is very dense, light can't go through"...  either that has to be done with texture alpha, or it needs a separate field instead of sunlight_propagates
16:13 Calinou it can be useful for a few things to let light pass through an object that appears solid
16:13 VanessaE such as?
16:13 Calinou custom maps
16:13 Calinou eg. adventure maps
16:13 Calinou you might not see an use for it, some people might
16:14 VanessaE then it would needs that separate field.
16:14 VanessaE solid, opaque texture and something like visual_density = 15  (assume 0 = totally transparent)
16:15 VanessaE er, = 0
16:15 VanessaE good g*d I can't type
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16:21 Jordach good god
16:21 nore Jordach, I need you on the server
16:21 Jordach VanessaE: we don't give a shit about offending people on the internet :P
16:31 VanessaE oh, well in that case fuck you :)
16:32 Jordach well fuck you too :P
16:32 VanessaE heh
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16:35 Calinou on a more serious note, talking on the internet is like talking IRL, so it is just as offensive
16:36 Jordach french bastard!
16:36 Jordach :P
16:38 john_minetest http://fuckyouverymuch.dk/
16:38 john_minetest "Fuck you" is the new "Thank you".
16:38 PenguinDad !title
16:38 MinetestBot PenguinDad: fuck you very much
16:38 Jordach john_minetest: i will not fuck you very much
16:41 Jordach there's a zombie outbreak, however, it has been creating zombees
16:41 john_minetest http://www.tofugu.com/2010/11/09/cat-island-japan/
16:41 john_minetest It's raining heavily here...
16:42 * john_minetest puts cat island on NekoGloop's head.
16:43 * Calinou puts ponyville on john_minetest's head
16:43 * john_minetest puts equestria on Calinou's head
16:44 john_minetest (Actually I had to look up the word "equestria" here: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4103"
16:44 john_minetest )
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16:49 john_minetest And now I am asking in #dracut why sysroot hasn't a proper rootfs mounted.
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16:53 john_minetest hi Zeg9, wb
16:53 Zeg9 Hi
16:55 VanessaE bbl
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16:59 Calinou "#Brownies"
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17:23 DanDuncombe I know I have asked before, but what is an exmaple of a node replace abm? With neighbours?
17:24 sfan5 I already gave you code for that
17:25 DanDuncombe And I forgot it
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18:06 Zeg9 [modding question of the day] is it possible to give a random metadata to a crafting recipe output?
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18:08 Calinou probably not
18:08 Calinou crafting recipes are fixed
18:09 nore Zeg9: check when you do smth to the item if metadata=="", and if then, set default
18:10 Zeg9 nore: is there any method to override when something is moved in player's inventory?
18:10 nore nope
18:10 Zeg9 ok, I'll do it on_use then
18:10 Zeg9 brb
18:11 nore bbl
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18:17 DanDuncombe VanessaE, please update the prefab mod on your server. Link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9ydg094bfcz4cap/prefab.zip
18:21 Calinou you should use git :p
18:22 Calinou poor VanessaE, you bugged her like 20 times...
18:22 sfan5[Mac] everyone should use git :p
18:22 PenguinDad or mercurial :P
18:22 DanDuncombe I did use git, but it wouldn't upload the model file so I resorted to dropbox
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18:22 PenguinDad why?
18:23 DanDuncombe IDK
18:23 DanDuncombe It said it was up to date, and completely ignored the model file, like it wasn't there.
18:24 Jordach DanDuncombe: git only updates files if the contents change
18:24 Jordach eg, turn a red pixel to blue
18:26 sfan5[Mac] DanDuncombe: did you try "git add <name of the model>" ?
18:28 Sokomine anyone familiar with blender? i need that car model rotated by 90 degree
18:29 sfan5[Mac] !g rotate model blendre
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18:29 MinetestBot sfan5[Mac]: http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:2.4/Manual/3D_interaction/Transformations/Basics/Rotate
18:29 sfan5[Mac] maybe that'll help?
18:29 Sokomine no idea :-( i've never worked with blender
18:30 Calinou Sokomine: press A (selects everything)
18:31 Calinou press R, then press Z, then type "90", and enter
18:31 Calinou rotates 90° around Z ais
18:31 Calinou axis*
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18:58 Jordach Sokomine: you can cound on the blender artist here
18:59 Jordach count*
19:13 Sokomine they usually seem to hide. except for you :-)
19:14 john_minetest Oh, I am using blender, too but I am afk all the time.
19:15 Sokomine there would be plenty of animals which could enrich the game. i can draw to some degree rl. but when it comes to a computer, i can't draw anymore. not with the tools there. and blender...is another matter
19:16 Sokomine a goat would be great :-) and squirrels, and rabbits. and that bumble bee inocudom suggested
19:16 john_minetest And a bear.
19:16 Sokomine that car-"animal" almost worked :-)
19:17 john_minetest And the ability to ride on bears.
19:17 Sokomine no, bears are too large animals. those don't work that well
19:17 Sokomine larger ones usually look far more convincing
19:17 Sokomine er, smaller ones
19:17 john_minetest But one could ride on a bear
19:17 Sokomine the cow from mobf has serious trouble because rotation is difficult for her, and enough place is needed
19:17 * Sokomine considers that
19:18 * Sokomine thinks that the bear will have a nice lunch out of john_minetest
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19:18 Sokomine a donkey would be great as well. donkeys are much smaller than horses. they could be ridable animals as well
19:18 john_minetest You have the right to keep and arm bears. So it should also be a law ingame.
19:18 Sokomine all it really takes is a model...
19:19 john_minetest If I wasn't lazy I would hack one together in a few minutes.
19:19 Sokomine hm :-)
19:19 Sokomine why not do so? doesn't have to be now
19:21 john_minetest http://1ynx.ru/up/11-08/russian-bear-cavalry.jpg
19:21 john_minetest I always picture that ^
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19:30 * Jordach pokes VanessaE
19:30 jin_xi a tetris biome: http://i.imgur.com/e1DWCqU.jpg
19:31 sapier1 lol
19:31 john_minetest wow!
19:32 Sokomine funny, that tetris level :-)
19:32 Jordach anyone know how the mese pnumatic tube works?
19:33 Calinou O_o
19:33 Calinou how did you do that
19:33 Peacock do pacman next :p
19:34 Sokomine which one? the sorting, the accelerating, the teleporting, or just the conducting one? have only played with the sorting one
19:34 Jordach the sorting pipe
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19:35 jin_xi Calinou: turtle graphics mod with lua-generated programs
19:35 jin_xi and lots of aliasing
19:36 jin_xi needs sub node rendering
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19:49 thefamilygrog66 howdy folks
19:50 jin_xi hey thefamilygrog66
19:50 jin_xi just saw your updated head mod. great stuff!
19:50 thefamilygrog66 Haha, cool - thanks!
19:50 thefamilygrog66 It's pretty goofy, but I figured that other mining game has a similar feature...
19:51 thefamilygrog66 Here's the post link for anyone else interested in checking it out:
19:51 thefamilygrog66 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7020
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19:52 thefamilygrog66 hey PilzAdam
19:52 PilzAdam hi
19:52 Sokomine that really is groofy with those heads
19:52 Sokomine i like your other mods much more :-)
19:52 john_minetest Woah, linux rootfs is so annoying...
19:52 * Sokomine relaxes comftably on a huge couch next to a lava lamp
19:52 thefamilygrog66 Oh well, you can't win 'em all, Sokomine. :)
19:53 Sokomine sure :-) and there will be most likely players who love it :-)
19:53 Sokomine seems more suitable for very survival/pvp orientated servers
19:53 thefamilygrog66 My son, Simonster, was playing MC and he was making tombstones with the player's head on top, so I asked him how he managed to place a head.
19:54 thefamilygrog66 The rest is history...
19:54 thefamilygrog66 Sokomine: yeah, like trophies, I'm guessing.
19:54 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107749#p107749 I looked at the links first and though Sokomine was trolling... :-)
19:55 PilzAdam +t
19:57 thefamilygrog66 Server rules - are there any?
20:00 Sokomine me? i never troll :_)
20:00 * thefamilygrog66 constantly trolls
20:02 Calinou thefamilytroll66
20:02 thefamilygrog66 ...who lives under the bridge
20:03 john_minetest The first time I met thefamilygrog66 was back then on globis server. globis server was soooo cool and very popular in the beginning but became unmaintained and griefed in the end.
20:03 Calinou like Ubuntu
20:04 thefamilygrog66 I miss the old globis days
20:06 thefamilygrog66 also minetest.ru:30001 - that was the first server I really played on
20:08 Calinou the first I played on was celeron.55.lt, iirc
20:08 Calinou ~july 6 2011
20:08 Calinou there were 6-ish people, including 2 who were french
20:08 thefamilygrog66 The day I turned 41, hah!
20:08 Sokomine iirc the first servers i tried where redcrabs and that of a certain calinou :-)
20:09 john_minetest The only server I played on very often was globis. Then it became unmoderated. It was so annoying that Zeg9 and me opened our own server.
20:10 thefamilygrog66 Are you and Zeg9 still running that, john_minetest?
20:10 john_minetest thefamilygrog66
20:10 john_minetest thefamilygrog66: Yes, we are still online.
20:10 thefamilygrog66 Cool - I should check it out sometime
20:10 john_minetest Zegaton 1 on minetest.org 30015
20:11 john_minetest Zegaton 2 coming soon.
20:11 john_minetest Zegaton 1 is quite unmoderated atm because we are working on Zegaton II.
20:12 thefamilygrog66 Man, I have a bad external hd, that isn't even recognized as hardware anymore - just keeps flashing its led. Hate that.
20:13 thefamilygrog66 Gonna need a bigger hammer...
20:13 sudi had that too
20:13 john_minetest Lol, I've got a hammer on my desk...
20:14 john_minetest Just 10 centimeters away from left hand.
20:14 thefamilygrog66 I'm -that- close to resorting to that, just to get some satisfaction at this point.
20:14 john_minetest I'd take that thing apart.
20:14 john_minetest Look out that you don't cut your finger with the disk inside.
20:15 john_minetest It has a sharp edge. Once cut my finger
20:15 thefamilygrog66 It has precision sized torx screws holding it together
20:15 john_minetest Then beat it until it opens or works again or both.
20:15 thefamilygrog66 Might drop it out the window to knock some sense into it.
20:15 Calinou the first things I did the first time I played multiplayer were mining ores and building a house out of wood planks \o/
20:15 Calinou I was scared of mobs, heh
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20:16 FreeFull Calinou: Back when minetest had mobs?
20:16 thefamilygrog66 Calinou: I was right into the whole "digging a house out of a cliff" thing when I started
20:16 Sokomine i was scared of height. vanessa had to show me that dropping from 3-4 m in mt was nothing to be scared of :-)
20:16 andersje so...lua doesn't balk if I reassign a variable, does it?
20:16 Calinou FreeFull: it had mobs in C++, yes
20:16 Calinou rats and oerkki
20:16 john_minetest I am still building a wood house on every server I join.
20:16 Calinou Sokomine: in minecraft, 4 and 5 block falls do hurt
20:17 Calinou but not in Minetest
20:17 FreeFull Calinou: And DMs
20:17 andersje so if I say:  myvar="foo" and then on the next line put myvar="bar", that'll work, right?
20:17 FreeFull Don't forget the DMs
20:17 Calinou no DMs when I played
20:17 Calinou these were added in 0.3
20:17 FreeFull Calinou: Ah
20:17 FreeFull So that was ages ago
20:17 Calinou yep
20:17 FreeFull When I played on Celeron's server, I took out a cave full of DMs by flooding it with water
20:17 thefamilygrog66 I believe that would work, andersje
20:17 FreeFull Well, I mean I took out the DMs
20:18 FreeFull The cave was very close to my house and I wasn't comfortable
20:18 FreeFull Pretty big cave, a lot of DMs
20:18 andersje thefamilygrog66: thanks
20:18 andersje every real language I've used is fine with it, but I've run into proprietary languages that barf on it
20:19 thefamilygrog66 I have DMs spawning in dungeons on my server - I don't know they're there until I start hearing the whooshing sound of the fireballs they're shooting at me!
20:19 FreeFull thefamilygrog66: You could carry around two buckets of water
20:20 thefamilygrog66 andersje: if it's not a global variable, your should use a local myvar="foo" for the first line
20:20 andersje it is a local variable.
20:21 thefamilygrog66 just add local before the first time it's defined
20:21 thefamilygrog66 FreeFull: I'm not sure water buckets would help, since the fireballs burn EVERYTHING, including water!
20:23 john_minetest In the new EU laws there is a paragraph that flammable water has to be stored in special containers.
20:23 john_minetest (Not really ;)  )
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20:24 jojoa1997 Hello!
20:24 Calinou hi
20:25 FreeFull thefamilygrog66: I guess water only helps in a large spae
20:25 FreeFull space*
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20:25 thefamilygrog66 I haven't tested it, but I wouldn't be surprised if fireballs burn cloud.
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20:27 thefamilygrog66 Looks like I'm getting requests for MORE HEADS, haha.
20:28 jojoa1997 thefamilygrog66 will you do mine?
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20:29 thefamilygrog66 Sure, I can add that one - not sure how many I'll have altogether, but it only takes a few minutes to make new textures in gimp.
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20:29 thefamilygrog66 I was thinking about adding sounds as well, when the player right-clicks on them to change their look. OW, AHH, OUCH, OOH, etc.
20:30 Calinou haha
20:30 KikaRz Dang.
20:31 Calinou hi KikaRz :)
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20:47 thefamilygrog66 jojoa1997
20:47 thefamilygrog66 does this look right?
20:47 thefamilygrog66 http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7140/68ny.png
20:49 thefamilygrog66 Here's a view from the bottom:
20:49 thefamilygrog66 http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/538/drfw.png
20:50 andersje I need to test about 350 recipes.
20:50 andersje is there a way to automate this?
20:51 thefamilygrog66 ...and from the back:
20:51 thefamilygrog66 http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/6184/z0p9.png
20:51 thefamilygrog66 jojoa1997: let me know if I need to rotate any of the sides, please
20:51 andersje whoa, is that a pimpstick?
20:52 thefamilygrog66 err...sure! it's actually jojoa1997's head on a stick!
20:52 andersje is jojoa1997 a member of the macross race?
20:53 thefamilygrog66 That hasn't been determined yet.
20:53 andersje ah
20:54 andersje so...short of manually testing these recipes...has anyone worked up any sort of automated recipe tester?
20:54 thefamilygrog66 what are you testing for, exactly?
20:54 andersje well, I'm expanding the stained_glass mod
20:54 andersje and building a metric shitton of recipes by loop
20:55 andersje and I don't want to check the code in until I know they all work
20:55 andersje but I'm not THAT interested in testing 12x9x3 recipes to ensure they all work -- at least not manually
20:56 thefamilygrog66 sounds like you're going to have to hire some cheap labour.
20:56 thefamilygrog66 haha
20:56 andersje Amazon mechanical turk?
20:56 andersje I'd put my ten year old on it, but he won't work superfast on it.
20:56 andersje and I'm impatient
20:56 thefamilygrog66 I hear ya
20:56 * andersje thinks
20:56 andersje I can grep out the recipes from the debug.txt and run text compare on those.
20:57 thefamilygrog66 what about the craft_guide mod?
20:57 andersje if they match across hi/lo/no-glow, except for type of glass, then it won't matter too much
20:57 andersje hrm.
20:57 andersje hey, THAT's an idea...
20:57 andersje zeg9's right?
20:57 thefamilygrog66 possibly!
20:59 thefamilygrog66 you have a ten year old, andersje? that means you're old, like me, haha.
21:01 andersje yep, I'm old
21:01 andersje 41 this year.
21:01 andersje oh, shit.
21:02 andersje I already turned 41
21:02 andersje dammit
21:02 thefamilygrog66 lmao
21:02 * thefamilygrog66 turned 43 last month, ferchissakes
21:03 thefamilygrog66 *ferchrissakes
21:04 andersje heh
21:04 andersje you got your kids on minetest, too?
21:06 sfan5 aah
21:07 thefamilygrog66 andersje: my son plays sometimes, though both kids are a bit more into that other mine game, unfortunately.
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21:11 thefamilygrog66 hey jojoa1997!
21:12 andersje thefamilygrog66: figgers :)
21:12 thefamilygrog66 oh well
21:14 ndjdjksisksk oh hi
21:14 thefamilygrog66 hey ndjdjksisksk
21:15 andersje does sapier1's craft guide work on 0.4.7 ?
21:15 thefamilygrog66 is that the older one?
21:15 andersje cornernote made it originally
21:15 andersje i thought
21:15 thefamilygrog66 oh
21:15 sapier1 no it's in between
21:16 andersje should I just get cornernote's?  is there one that does work well with 0.4.7 ?
21:16 sapier1 alias support isn't working perfect there I think it works for most recieps
21:16 thefamilygrog66 I'm using the older one myself - just had to add the line craft_guide to the depends.txt files for the other mods to make them show up
21:16 andersje I placed the craftwall, and my minecraft client blew up
21:16 andersje do I have to make a PC instead?
21:16 sapier1 no my version is based uppon cornernotes if minde doesn't work the older one wont work for sure
21:16 andersje okay
21:17 sapier1 but there's a even newer one ppl tell it's even better but I didn't get it work for me
21:17 kaeza there's also UI
21:18 andersje what's the name of the new one?
21:18 andersje ah, zeg9's minetest-zcg?
21:19 sapier1 not sure it's in spanish or portugese .. that's why I couln't fix it to work for me I don't speak that language
21:22 thefamilygrog66 Any forum admins on here feel like moving my mod to the Mod Releases forum, please?
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21:24 andersje anyone here play world of taks?
21:24 andersje err, tanks?
21:27 thefamilygrog66 haven't heard of it, andersje
21:29 * Jordach has a working firearm
21:29 Jordach andersje: saw the beta for xbox 360
21:29 jojoa1997 bbl Dinner Time!
21:30 andersje Jordach: working firearm in _minetest_ ?
21:30 andersje Jordach: it's pretty decent on PC
21:30 Jordach maybe...
21:34 thefamilygrog66 I have to take off - if any of the forum admins see this, and wouldn't mind moving my new mod to the Mod Releases forum, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks, and bye for now.
21:34 thefamilygrog66 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7020
21:35 john_minetest Lol, registered on Arch User Repository and now saw that the package I wanted to make already exists...
21:36 john_minetest Now I'm bored...
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21:41 john_minetest Over 69% of the heads in the heads mod are from skins that I made :D
21:41 Sokomine hm. why can't i create a new repro at github? strange
21:41 Jordach PilzAdam == blockmen: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107785#p107785
21:41 Evergreen 'Ello everyone
21:41 Sokomine i get a "What?!
21:42 Sokomine ..."Your browser did something unexpected. Please contact us if the problem persists." - strange
21:43 john_minetest Hello Evergreen
21:44 john_minetest Sokomine: Maybe creating a repo was unexpected. Github didn't think that you would do this and didn't implement the feature for you ;)
21:47 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/blocky-pistol/
21:48 Sokomine *g*
21:49 Sokomine perhaps it didn't expect webbrowsers to be forbidden to run javascript or something like that
21:49 Jordach Sokomine: have you tried turning it off and on again
21:51 Sokomine hm. even signing out and in again did not help
21:51 Jordach Sokomine: using firefox or chrom*
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21:54 Sokomine ah. it did manage eventually. it does seem to require javascript - which is a shame for such a simple formspec
21:57 harrison http://youtu.be/EWbCocEH34E
21:59 jin_xi harrison: what is it?
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22:10 harrison jin xi: #spasim
22:10 habstinat I can't get Minetest to run at anything faster than 1 FPS on my GNU/Linux distro (gNewSense, based on Debian squeeze). I know it's not a problem with my hardware because glxgears runs at ~1500 fps and glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" yeilds "Yes". Here is my minetest.conf: <http://sprunge.us/afMI> Any ideas as to how to debug / fix this?
22:15 andersje love to help man, but I'm just about to dash out.
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22:22 VanessaE "RealBadAngel <notifications@github.com>" today, 10 mins ago.  HE IS ALIVE! :)
22:22 VanessaE hi all
22:23 andersje hi all!
22:23 andersje :s/all/VanessaE/
22:23 * andersje is tired
22:23 VanessaE heh hi
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22:28 Inocudom This is the very first time I have ever joined a chat room.
22:28 habstinat Well, I was able to fix it by disabling shaders. Odd that just that small change meant such a difference in performance.
22:29 Inocudom I assumed that RealBadAngel was on a vacation. Rest does ease the mind.
22:30 KikaRz VanessaE
22:30 KikaRz Transfering to you...
22:30 VanessaE hi
22:30 KikaRz My organs...
22:30 VanessaE Inocudom: I figured he'd lost internet access
22:31 Inocudom What is it that you were able to fix, habstinat?
22:31 KikaRz Entering Github...
22:31 KikaRz Signing in...
22:31 KikaRz DarkDracoon - password *Lala lalalalalalalalalala lalalaalalaa*
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22:32 Sokomine hi inocudom. welcome to irc
22:32 KikaRz My repos...
22:32 KikaRz coloredblocks ... Transfer to:
22:32 Inocudom If RealBadAngel's internet went out, then what caused it? Why does it do that?
22:32 habstinat Inocudom: I posted a few minutes before you joined,
22:32 habstinat "I can't get Minetest to run at anything faster than 1 FPS on my GNU/Linux distro (gNewSense, based on Debian squeeze). I know it's not a problem with my hardware because glxgears runs at ~1500 fps and glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" yeilds "Yes". Here is my minetest.conf: <http://sprunge.us/afMI> Any ideas as to how to debug / fix this?"
22:32 KikaRz VanessaE !
22:32 Sokomine ah yes, regarding your coloredblocks: you need to change the naming schem for the colormachine to be able to paint them. moment...
22:33 KikaRz Sokomine, talk with VanessaE :D
22:33 VanessaE er, why?
22:33 KikaRz See your GitHub / Email
22:33 KikaRz I give you... THE POWAAAAAAAAAH!
22:33 habstinat Inocudom: But upon further inspection, it's not really fixed. I still get strange lines coming from the center of the screen sometimes and my FPS is still only 14 windowed.
22:33 Sokomine whoever owns that coloredblocks repro?
22:33 KikaRz Well, VanessaE made the most part of the code.
22:34 Sokomine oh. so you forced poor vanessa to take charge of another mod? :)
22:34 KikaRz I've made the design and my brother just slept on the sofa.
22:34 Inocudom In a few topics, I tried to get people excited about parallax mapping (what RealBadAngel is working on.)
22:34 KikaRz VanessaE, btw, I liked your photo <3
22:35 VanessaE nooOOOOOoooOoooOOoOOo
22:35 VanessaE another mod!  I cannae take the strain, captain!
22:35 * VanessaE explodes
22:35 KikaRz O_O
22:35 VanessaE KikaRz: the pink dress?  thanks :-)
22:35 * Sokomine disables tnt....too late!
22:35 KikaRz I think you exploded.
22:36 Inocudom I saw what the shader effect looks like in Xonotic (an open source FPS arena game.) It is very fascinating.
22:36 KikaRz VanessaE, you know what is going to explode?
22:36 KikaRz Syria and USA.
22:36 KikaRz So, better to leave that country
22:36 Sokomine anyway...the names need to be changed: from "coloredblocks:"..tophalf..bottomhalf to "coloredblocks:"..tophalf..'_'..bottomhalf  and from "coloredblocks:"..tophalf to "coloredblocks:"..tophalf..'_'..tophalf
22:37 VanessaE yeah, so I heard
22:37 KikaRz Sokomine, talk to VanessaE
22:37 KikaRz .. = +
22:37 Sokomine since the mod is not even released that that ought to be no problem
22:37 KikaRz That's what I have to remind
22:37 VanessaE buildup of US military stuff in Syrian waters now
22:37 Sokomine she reads here :-) (at least she will once she's put together after the explosion)
22:38 VanessaE anyways
22:38 Inocudom In a warfare scenario, it is better to live in the countryside most of the time.
22:38 KikaRz VanessaE, I hope you take care of it
22:38 KikaRz I'll see it month to month.
22:38 KikaRz <3
22:39 VanessaE er ok
22:39 KikaRz <3
22:39 KikaRz I've alerted you
22:39 KikaRz You needed to be prepared :P
22:39 VanessaE I don't see nothin' in my email
22:39 VanessaE so why you giving it up?
22:39 KikaRz well,
22:39 KikaRz I didn't touched it
22:40 Inocudom Always remember that we live in the reality of time and matter.
22:40 KikaRz And github is very busy for me.
22:40 KikaRz TOO COMPLICATED
22:42 Inocudom One thing I would like to see happen is oOChainLynxOo making another Minetest video.
22:43 Sokomine that would be nice, yes. there are some mods he could test
22:43 Inocudom He puts the videos up on Youtube. Just search for his nickname.
22:43 Sokomine play around on a server with more nature installed...
22:43 Sokomine maybe a bit rpg as well
22:44 Inocudom He should consider testing mods like lulzpack, darkage, moretrees, plantlife, and tiny trees to start.
22:46 Sokomine hmm. perhaps ufos, hovercrafts, carts, mesecons, technic....
22:46 Inocudom The server he played on most was Redcrab's main one (the 0.4.4 one on port 30401.)
22:46 Sokomine for the kind of vidoes he does, moretrees and plantlife can only be background. for videos, you can't expect people to enjoy trees as much as we do
22:48 Inocudom That is the first server I ever played on as well, but now I prefer creative servers.
22:50 Inocudom I wish oOChainLynxOo tried out other servers more often (especially creative servers like ShadowNinja's and VanessaE's.) He would have seen more stuff that way.
22:50 VanessaE maybe he'll come back some time
22:53 Inocudom These days, he is playing on some of Minecraft's servers. He recently did a few videos of himself playing on those servers with another kid known as MrDiamondBones.
22:53 * andersje finished his updates to stained_glass
22:54 andersje VanessaE: if you've got lots of mods you're responsible for, I'm happy to managed stained_glass now.
22:54 andersje I think I've got a grip on it.
22:54 VanessaE I don't mind :)
22:55 VanessaE you can take that one over then.  Add your post to the stained_glass thread and I'll delete mine.
22:55 VanessaE I'll keep my repo of course, for the sake of sending updates.
22:55 andersje you've got it :)
22:55 andersje of course.
22:56 andersje I got it down to 255 lines for higlow, loglow and noglow stained glass
22:56 andersje all recipes working
22:56 andersje and only a _single_ node registration function
22:58 VanessaE nice
22:59 VanessaE 255 is perfect.  8 bits ftw :)
22:59 andersje heh!  I hadn't thought of that!
23:00 * andersje goes to get ready for a neighborhood party.
23:00 andersje posted in the forums.  I better upload an avatar soon.
23:00 andersje l8rz all
23:01 Inocudom Here is a link to one of oOChainLynxOo's videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=zQ5F8WX71Uo
23:02 Inocudom I tested the link and it works. It is for anyone that is interested.
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23:07 NekoGloop I so can't wait until we can put rendering logic in our nodes :P
23:21 Inocudom Rendering logic? Will nodeboxes be included?
23:24 NekoGloop Depends on if it ever happens :P
23:27 VanessaE depends on whether RealBadAngel gets back into the swing of coding MT
23:28 NekoGloop s/coding MT/existing/
23:29 VanessaE he exists, obviously :)
23:29 VanessaE at least, he's still paying attention to technic anyway
23:29 PilzAdam can you see the problem with his way of coding now? he does all on his own and only pushes things that are completly done
23:30 NekoGloop "problem"
23:30 PilzAdam AFAIK his shaders are ready since weeks now
23:30 PilzAdam and the code sits somewhere hidden in his computer
23:31 NekoGloop You give little reason for a man to care about the project, mr. control freak.
23:32 PilzAdam you cant work in an open source project if you want to hide your code
23:32 PilzAdam that has nothing to do with "control"
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23:32 NekoGloop "control" as in "all pushes have to go through me first"
23:34 PilzAdam you seem to have no idea about Minetest's development?
23:35 NekoGloop I stopped caring.
23:35 PilzAdam no, you didnt; otherwise you wouldnt talk to me now
23:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: his shaders aren't ready, and it's hard to push if you have unreliable internet
23:36 NekoGloop VanessaE, It's not like pilz will actually listen to reason.
23:37 PilzAdam VanessaE, its always good to have others look at your development branch
23:37 PilzAdam it lowers the risk to get your whole branch rejected when its done
23:38 VanessaE PilzAdam: true of course.  part of the delay is that he's had to rewrite almost the entire stack for handling shaders, as well as coding the shaders themselves, but mostly, he's been swamped by work and cellphone-based internet.
23:38 VanessaE (he tethers)
23:38 VanessaE the rest of the delay, well, only he can answer
23:38 VanessaE he indeed should share the code, complete or not
23:38 PilzAdam its even more important when you rewrite huge parts of the code, like the shader system
23:39 PilzAdam you have to at least talk to others about the structure, there is a chance that you plan complete bullshit
23:39 NekoGloop As you can see, PilzAdam does not care about the problems or difficulties others are experiencing.
23:40 Inocudom Besides parallax mapping (which is very nice, as Xonotic showed me,) what other benefits are gained by RealBadAngel's rewrite of the shaders?
23:40 VanessaE I don't think he's even been able to talk about it - simply no time to get on here
23:41 VanessaE Inocudom: he is compartmentalizing them - one shader on at a time if the user so desires (unless one shader depends on another), the rest I am not entirely sure
23:41 Inocudom That is a good idea.
23:41 VanessaE separating solids from liquids from some third type (I forget what it was)
23:41 NekoGloop air? transparent blocks?
23:42 VanessaE he's working on things like reflections in water, sun/moon lighting, depth of focus, motion blur, and a host of others.
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23:42 VanessaE NekoGloop: maybe, I don't remember now
23:42 NekoGloop ooooooh, sounds cool.
23:42 Inocudom Xonotic is an open source FPS arena game. He might find some inspiration concerning shaders there.
23:42 VanessaE at last report, he had most of it working, without any appreciable loss of fps on his rig (typically around 40 under his usual test conditions)
23:43 Arkmabat Anyone know when there might be an official update
23:43 VanessaE Arkmabat: soon.
23:43 * jin_xi shakes eight ball
23:43 NekoGloop soon(tm)
23:44 Arkmabat Cool cool
23:44 Inocudom In Xonotic, I can use parallax mapping without any severe issues (my computer doesn't rev like a jet engine.) That game uses OpenGL by the way.
23:44 VanessaE Real Soon Now â„¢
23:44 VanessaE :D
23:44 Arkmabat Haha
23:46 NekoGloop VanessaE, you mean within the century? impossibru
23:46 PilzAdam VanessaE, RBA had time to talk about it
23:46 VanessaE heh
23:46 Inocudom Within the month I would hope.
23:46 VanessaE PilzAdam: not lately, I mean
23:47 PilzAdam well, he said its "almost done" and just needs a "cleanup" at "this weekend"
23:47 VanessaE he and I talked a lot in private because he knows that, while I may not understand the code, I do understand the logic of his decisions - plus he likes to bounce ideas off of me too.
23:48 VanessaE to be fair though.
23:48 Inocudom You are a good person to bouce ideas off of, VanessaE.
23:48 NekoGloop ^
23:48 VanessaE look at the sheer number of pull requests and branches that are lying fallow because no one can be bothered to bring those code changes in and make the necessary cleanups and adaptations.
23:49 Inocudom A topic about those pull requests was made recently.
23:49 VanessaE it's not hard to see why he wants to make sure his code works fully before making it available.
23:49 VanessaE Inocudom: proller's topic?  saw it
23:50 VanessaE (at least I think it was his)
23:52 Inocudom Shader code is not easy to make and effeciency is very important.
23:53 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI_fgwbmJg0
23:54 Inocudom What I am pondering is why anybody would make such videos.
23:54 NekoGloop because music~
23:55 Inocudom Did you see the oOChainLynxOo video I posted the link to above? He did some videos of Minetest.
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23:57 Arkmabat What was the final word? I had to log off
23:58 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHU2RlSCdxU This is so stu--ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD

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