Time Nick Message 00:00 sapier pumpkins? argh 00:00 Warr1024 never tried it 00:00 Warr1024 sounds... interesting. 00:01 Warr1024 it sounds like there's either a good bit of work to do in the porting code to support OpenBSD (or to try to catch possibly-supported platforms that have otherwise fallen through the cracks) or to fix the way the lua api is handling paths. 00:01 VanessaE mmm pumpkin pie sounds good right now 00:02 Warr1024 I guess, ideally, we'd make all file IO act as if chrooted into the minetest dir. 00:02 Warr1024 though I guess you could still sneak in malicious code by opening the minetest binary (on certain platforms) and patching it for next run. 00:03 Warr1024 that's probably a problem for later, though... 00:04 sapier of course warr1024 it's a lot to do until this can be called secure 00:05 Warr1024 I don't know if it's really practical to try to "secure" this thing by doing a bunch of path checking logic... 00:05 NekoGloop VanessaE, Can I at least get stainless steel for its ingredients due to technic being coded horribly? 00:05 sapier it's just a small brick ;-) 00:06 Warr1024 for instance, it may still be possible to creat symlinks from within lua, which would allow the mod to break out of the "chroot"... 00:06 Warr1024 For the server, with all the mods, I've largely been just running the thing as a separate user 00:06 sapier of course those functions need to be removed too ;-) thats planed 00:06 Warr1024 I don't know if the client is designed (yet?) to run server-supplied code.. 00:06 NekoGloop also RIP pumice generator 00:06 VanessaE sure 00:07 sapier not by now but this will require lots of thinking 00:07 Warr1024 hm 00:07 NekoGloop because of the fucking idiots on the server who don't know to not touch things that aren't theirs. 00:07 sapier and a very limited set of api calls on client of course 00:07 Warr1024 I was never really too concerned about the security in minetest, but then again, I was running the server under a dedicated account... 00:07 kaeza NekoGloop, welcome to survival :D 00:07 NekoGloop VanessaE, https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/blob/master/technic/machines/alloy_furnaces_commons.lua#L38 I'll throw in a coal to lose as well, for the required fuel of cooking 00:08 sapier it's not the servers I'm concerned about but singleplayer games with mods ;-) 00:08 Warr1024 ah, forgot those exist :-) 00:09 Warr1024 privsep is probably the best approach, but even less portable... 00:09 sapier I guess there wont be the single solution fixing it at once ;-) 00:10 Warr1024 almost to the very bottom of porting.cpp: 00:10 Warr1024 #elif defined(__FreeBSD__) 00:10 Warr1024 path_share = STATIC_SHAREDIR; 00:10 Warr1024 path_user = std::string(getenv("HOME")) + "/." + PROJECT_NAME; 00:10 Warr1024 #endif 00:10 kaeza lol 00:10 Warr1024 maybe that #elif should just be #else? 00:10 PilzAdam bye 00:10 sapier home? 00:11 Warr1024 basically, there's no plain #else 00:11 Warr1024 if windows do this, if linux do that, if osx do this, if freebsd do that... 00:11 sapier else tell "unsupported os" ;-) 00:12 Warr1024 OpenBSD probably WOULD work, in the non-RUN_IN_PLACE state, without that #elif. 00:13 Warr1024 and NetBSD too, I guess. 00:13 Warr1024 hm, looks like there ARE __NetBSD__ and __OpenBSD__ flags... 00:13 NekoGloop kaeza, survival ~= griefers ahoy 00:18 Warr1024 what ARE the supported platforms for minetest? 00:19 NekoGloop everything it builds on 00:19 NekoGloop ;) 00:19 Warr1024 srsly? that's a hell of a large target :-) 00:20 NekoGloop If you can build it on a toaster, then good for you. 00:20 NekoGloop ;) 00:20 Warr1024 looks like windows, linux, osx, and freebsd are the only ones listed on the website. 00:20 Warr1024 building it isn't the problem 00:20 VanessaE OS-X is questionable though 00:20 Warr1024 VanessaE: yeah, but that's not a minetest-specific issue :-) 00:20 VanessaE heh 00:23 Warr1024 anyone ever built and/or run this thing on netbsd? 00:24 VanessaE nope, no one would ever try something crazy like that :D 00:24 Warr1024 if nobody has, I probably will. 00:24 VanessaE you may as well ask people to try to compile it for QNX ;) 00:24 NekoGloop Has anyone ran it on a toaster? 00:25 Warr1024 heh, I might try if I had one of those NetBSD toasters. 00:25 VanessaE NekoGloop: kikaRz has :P 00:25 Warr1024 if I'm going to submit patches to make this thing work on OpenBSD, I might as well do for NetBSD too. 00:25 VanessaE if you refine "toaster" as "an improperly-cooled CPU that keeps breaking 70°C" :D 00:26 VanessaE Warr1024: good idea 00:26 NekoGloop Well, it functions as a toaster, right? 00:26 VanessaE the way she was making it sound, yes :P 00:27 Warr1024 google for "netbsd toaster" 00:27 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/G6xKhWT.png this was one source of lava, btw :P 00:27 Warr1024 it's literally a toaster. 00:27 VanessaE Warr1024: does it count if the PC running the game has, itself, a toaster connected? :) 00:28 VanessaE http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/12db/ 00:28 VanessaE e.g. that 00:28 VanessaE wait, wrong one 00:29 VanessaE damn it, where was it.. 00:29 NekoGloop DOMO! :D 00:29 VanessaE http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/looflirpa/igrill.shtml 00:30 VanessaE how about a grill? :) 00:30 VanessaE or an oven? http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/ezbake.shtml 00:30 VanessaE :D 00:30 NekoGloop does it google what you put in there and cook it accordingly? :P 00:32 VanessaE heh 00:33 VanessaE http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e8bf/?srp=72 HA! 00:34 NekoGloop Is it... a scanner... or scammer? 00:37 Warr1024 I don't get the "be instantly calm" reference 00:38 NekoGloop I'm not sure it -is- a reference 00:38 NekoGloop It might just be randomness 00:39 Warr1024 maybe it's a reference to itself 00:39 Warr1024 i.e. this is where a meme is born :-) 00:40 NekoGloop VanessaE, https://github.com/VanessaE/gloopblocks/pull/2 00:40 Warr1024 anyhow, I'ma check out... maybe I'll see if I can get netbsd / openbsd / other posix-like support into porting.cpp... 00:40 VanessaE NekoGloop: shortly. dealing with a problem on my web server at the moment 00:41 VanessaE NekoGloop: why'd you remove the recipes for nyancat blocks? 00:44 NekoGloop VanessaE, remember, duplicates? 00:44 VanessaE oh right, duh 00:44 VanessaE I'll merge this in after I'm done with this other issue 00:45 NekoGloop herpaderp I never added a recipe for the scaffolds 00:45 VanessaE I noticed. :) 00:45 VanessaE FIX IT FIX IT FIX IT!!!!!!!!!!!1 00:45 VanessaE :) 00:45 NekoGloop Oh, fuck it, these things aren't that useful anyway... 00:46 VanessaE (just push another commit and it'll get tacked onto the pull automatically) 00:50 NekoGloop https://github.com/VanessaE/gloopblocks/pull/3 00:50 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: I updated the recipes for glooptest in technic in the rewrite branch. 00:50 VanessaE "derp". heh 00:50 NekoGloop Can you make switching stations not stupidly expensive too? 00:51 NekoGloop since, y'know, currently the entry point to the mod is 144 spare copper. 00:51 NekoGloop in addition to other things including non-functional alloy furnaces for stainless steel, and tons of steel. 00:52 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: Yes, give me a sugestion for the recipe. 00:57 NekoGloop http://pastebin.com/9r6njhW8 00:57 NekoGloop Or something similar to that. 00:59 NekoGloop And don't give me any of RBA's bullshit about "lol it only uses LV things but this works for all electricity" it's a fucking game, do we need realism where it impacts gameplay? 01:02 NekoGloop ShadowNinja, did you see it? 01:03 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: Yes, added. 01:03 NekoGloop Ah, ok. 01:11 Evergreen Nolan just asked what a terminal is on the forums. He is obviously a windows user 01:13 Exio4 i'm uber l33t 01:16 VanessaE yay! I finally got smart and set up public key auth on my web server :D 01:17 VanessaE (after getting the root issue fixed that is) 01:17 Exio4 VanessaE: buy me a tablet 01:17 Exio4 7" 01:17 VanessaE no. :) 01:17 Exio4 i already bought the keyboard! 01:23 VanessaE NekoGloop: dafuq? I already have a scaffold image in HDX!? 01:23 NekoGloop I probably told you to make it before, then never actually fully made the scaffold 01:23 VanessaE ah 01:23 VanessaE well that saves me a step :D 01:24 NekoGloop Ooooh, can I see it in your texture pack? Like, a screenie? 01:25 VanessaE sure, shortly. 01:25 NekoGloop (since my computer would probably die if I tried) 01:25 VanessaE gimme a few seconds 01:25 VanessaE um, error. 01:25 VanessaE I can't stack the scaffolds manually. 01:25 NekoGloop hm? 01:26 VanessaE try placing one, then place another on top of it like you're building with cobble or something 01:26 VanessaE after the second one, it stops accepting more 01:26 NekoGloop If you want to ignore their special placement ruleses, shift-click 01:26 VanessaE that works, might confuse a few players though 01:27 NekoGloop Yeah I'll make that later. :l 01:27 NekoGloop emphasis on later 01:27 NekoGloop meaning probably never 01:27 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2008242013%20-%2009:27:56%20PM.png 01:27 VanessaE the screenie you requested :) 01:28 NekoGloop mmmmm, smexy wooden beams 01:28 VanessaE smexy? 01:28 NekoGloop :P 01:29 NekoGloop remove m for meaning 01:30 VanessaE he 01:30 VanessaE heh 01:30 VanessaE k, pushed to git. 01:31 VanessaE you may want to re-clone 01:32 Exio4 could anyone give me 1 USD as gift? 01:32 Exio4 :D 01:32 VanessaE nope, I could use a few bucks myself :P 01:32 Exio4 aw 02:48 NekoGloop ShadowNinja, Oh, I hope you realized that I accidentally put a space in the name of the switching station in the recipe 02:49 NekoGloop Ah, he did, ok. 02:50 VanessaE I suppose that means I have to restart the servers :P 02:50 VanessaE (update technic, etc) 02:51 NekoGloop No. 02:51 VanessaE ok 02:51 NekoGloop Because you're not using his rewrite branch 02:51 VanessaE vanessa@rainbird:~/Minetest-related/mods/RBAs_mods/technic$ git pull 02:51 VanessaE [...] 02:51 VanessaE + f25123d...d5b639e rewrite -> origin/rewrite (forced update) 02:51 VanessaE wanna bet? :-) 02:52 NekoGloop Oh, you are. 02:52 NekoGloop in which case, scratch everything I said about RBA's code 02:52 VanessaE lol! 02:52 NekoGloop Because then it's not RBA's code. 02:54 VanessaE creative is updated, waiting for survival to go idle before I restart it 02:54 NekoGloop What's the purpose behind calling the thing a "switching station" anyway? 02:54 NekoGloop Wouldn't "energy router" or something be more fitting? 02:54 VanessaE it took over the functions formerly handled by the battery box 02:54 VanessaE well I suppose in a way yeah 02:55 VanessaE but 'switching station' made more sense in an electrical grid sense I guess 02:55 NekoGloop This isn't an electrician's playground, this is a game. 02:56 VanessaE ShadowNinja: care to comment on that? :D 02:56 Sokomine there was reason for the switching station: large technic installations without it lagg horribly 02:56 Sokomine so much that they become useless pretty fast 02:56 NekoGloop I know the purpose to the item itself 02:56 NekoGloop I meant the name. 02:57 Sokomine maybe the high cost was to avoid having too many stations in the game. but that's just speculation 02:58 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Hmmm? Switching station is a little less technical. 02:58 NekoGloop no it's because you're not allowed to play the mod 02:58 NekoGloop ShadowNinja, "Energy Router" is a bit more upfront on what the node does, though ^^" 02:58 ShadowNinja Sandwich of the day? 02:59 ShadowNinja Yep. 02:59 NekoGloop It's pumpkins. 02:59 NekoGloop pumpkins are totally sandwiches, right? 02:59 NekoGloop Also: SHADOWNINJA Y U BREAK ALLOY FURNACES :3 02:59 ShadowNinja Although I have been discussing a rewrite with nore that would remove the need for a switching station. 03:00 VanessaE hm, I don't see your patch in the git log? 03:00 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: How are they broken? 03:00 NekoGloop As in I had 3 steel and 1 chromium in it and it just ate fuel doing nothing of note. 03:00 VanessaE powder or ingots? 03:00 NekoGloop ingots. 03:01 VanessaE doesn't it only work with powders (well, dust, whatever it's called) 03:01 VanessaE ? 03:01 NekoGloop I can't make the fucking powder without having stainless steel because hurpdurp switching station needs to be stupidly expensive. 03:01 ShadowNinja VanessaE: That file was reworked, there was no way to apply it over. And I want to keep it to one commit until I merge. 03:01 NekoGloop And it's coded to work with both. 03:01 VanessaE good point. 03:01 VanessaE oh ok 03:02 VanessaE well at least I'm current with technic HEAD now :) 03:02 ShadowNinja VanessaE: So you use the rewrite branch? 03:03 VanessaE ShadowNinja: see above. 03:03 NekoGloop Though: yay my not ridiculously expensive recipe's in :P 03:03 NekoGloop So, for as long as people still have to craft the thing, it's not stupidly difficult. 03:03 VanessaE there's only one branch on my copy, and it's up-to-date. looks like you just merged the rewrite branch 03:03 ShadowNinja VanessaE: The HEAD comment? Or higher? 03:03 VanessaE just at HEAD. 03:04 NekoGloop Also, I'd really love it if the power could be supplied from other sides of the machines. 03:04 ShadowNinja HEAD == wherever you are == no specific branch. 03:04 NekoGloop Though "herpderp realizm" means the cord can only go in the least useful position 03:04 VanessaE technic main repo, master branch, HEAD. 03:04 ShadowNinja And I didn't merge it. At least not intentionally... 03:04 NekoGloop Especially considering I have to place the fucking cord after the machine. 03:05 VanessaE that's where I am right now. 03:05 VanessaE commit 97749578b09f4bb2e9c88d7be569e2c2b72bb881 03:05 NekoGloop again, because "herpderp realizm" 03:05 ShadowNinja Ok, so not on the rewrite branch. 03:07 ShadowNinja Well try it if you can. Although be careful of aliases, you may want to use it in a backup copied world. 03:07 VanessaE I'll wait until you guys push it through to the main repo. 03:08 NekoGloop And if the definition of minetest survival is "griefers allowed" then I'm not playing survival ^^" 03:09 VanessaE fuck no 03:09 VanessaE griefers will be ground into fine powder and fed to the sand monsters. 03:09 NekoGloop So that's why they drop 4 blocks of sand. 03:09 VanessaE heh 03:10 NekoGloop To be totally fair, this was more the person being a complete moron than griefing 03:12 NekoGloop Don't just randomly flip levers in other peoples houses 03:12 NekoGloop Should be common sense? 03:16 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Well I merged my rewrite of the IRC mod recently. Can I interest you in that? 03:16 NekoGloop Also, if my doors are barred by cobblestone, that means "Don't fucking come in here", right? ^^" 03:17 VanessaE I'll still wait :) 03:18 VanessaE (besides, that still needs a separate lib doesn't it?) 03:18 ShadowNinja VanessaE: What must I do to it to get you to install it? I may be able to use system libs instead of bundled... 03:18 ShadowNinja But I need luasocket for it to work. 03:19 ShadowNinja The only other lib is a Lua lib. 03:19 VanessaE there. lua-socket is installed. 03:19 VanessaE what other externalities does it need? 03:20 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Nothing, everything is included. Just run git submodule update --init. 03:20 VanessaE erm? 03:21 ShadowNinja (README.txt has full instructions) 03:21 VanessaE readme? er 03:21 VanessaE oh you mean on the separate IRC mod, duh 03:21 VanessaE I read that as "I merged my rewrite of the IRC mod into technic." 03:22 ShadowNinja Heh. 03:24 VanessaE ShadowNinja: this one? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3905 03:24 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Yep, see this: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc/blob/master/README.txt#L26 03:25 VanessaE ugh 03:25 VanessaE it still requires outside stuff 03:25 ShadowNinja And moretrees requires plants_lib... 03:26 VanessaE yeah but plants_lib doesn't have to be compiled :P 03:26 * NekoGloop curls up on VanessaE's head 03:26 ShadowNinja It is all included and takes all of 2 seconds to compile. 03:28 VanessaE ok, it's built. 03:29 ShadowNinja Check config.lua for the minetest.conf settings. 03:30 jojoa1997 VanessaE you there? 03:30 VanessaE hi. 03:31 jojoa1997 Can I have interact on your survival server 03:31 VanessaE you already do. 03:31 VanessaE all privs were copied over. 03:31 jojoa1997 Cool 03:32 VanessaE accounts are the same too, so use your same passwd 03:32 jojoa1997 Ok 03:32 jojoa1997 So you finally made a survival server 03:34 NekoGloop And I'm the first one to lose things because of others 03:35 jojoa1997 What do you mean 03:35 kaeza pong? 03:35 jojoa1997 Kaeza: ping 03:35 NekoGloop Rancon was an idiot and destroyed my lava source. 03:37 VanessaE IRC mod is now online on the creative server. ##vanessae-servers' 03:37 VanessaE -' 03:37 VanessaE happy now? :) 03:37 VanessaE the survival server will follow at the next restart 03:39 ShadowNinja Well I would prefer if you used the channel I specified. But yes. :-) 03:40 jojoa1997 Yea I am 03:40 VanessaE jojoa1997: link to the skin plz? :) 03:40 kaeza well, the intention was to "link" several servers together at least in chat :P 03:41 jojoa1997 Done 03:41 ShadowNinja ^ I want to be able to comunicate between our servers. 03:41 jojoa1997 Anyone wanna see my skin 03:41 VanessaE ok, so they 03:41 VanessaE ok, so they'll remain in one channel then. 06:47 xiong One would like to have some choices in ingame chat. 06:48 xiong There should be multiple channels *per server* so that kiddies can babble and whine in one while adults transact business in another. 06:49 xiong It should be possible to lock channels, to grant access. I suggest avoiding the complexity of named channels a la IRC. Channels 0-9 is quite sufficient. 06:50 xiong A standard scheme should provide ch0 as default, ch8 as admin-only, and ch9 as any kind of inter-server band. 06:51 xiong Don't make switching channels difficult. 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Also, can you please re-enable landmines? 13:52 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 13:53 PenguinDad hi PilzAdam 14:27 MinetestBot GIT: xyzz commited to minetest/minetest: Add a setting for HighPrecisionFPU (fixes #763). d05b15df77 2013-08-25T07:25:01-07:00 http://git.io/jmixnw 14:51 UniversalBuilder Yo 14:56 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Run util/updatepo.sh 4679455c3f 2013-08-25T07:54:50-07:00 http://git.io/nYHjsw 15:16 Jordach BlockMen: <3 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107392#p107392 15:17 Jordach no shadowbot 15:18 hmmmm heh, PilzAdam, https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/36270769#p36274336 15:18 hmmmm i guess minetest has been "rediscovered" by /g/ 15:18 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107415#p107415 15:19 Calinou yet another "make mods for me" guy 15:19 hmmmm yeah, i can't stand idea guys 15:19 hmmmm but then again, my motto is "talk is cheap, show me the code" 15:21 Jordach hmmmm: https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/36270769#p36275113 15:21 hmmmm lol 15:24 Jordach PilzAdam: you changed the topic, well done 15:31 * Jordach starts work on controlable fingers in blender 15:32 * Jordach thought pavel_s was good 15:35 * Jordach starts with prototype bones 15:36 BlockMen Jordach, just fits perfect. doesnt it? 15:45 rubenwardy Hi all! 15:45 progers Hi 15:46 Jordach BlockMen: yeah 15:55 sapier https://github.com/sapier/animals_modpack/wiki/Mobs can someone give feedback if documentation like this is usefull? 16:03 Jordach you need separate pages 16:03 Jordach it's difficult to handle too many tables 16:04 sapier yes that's why I edit in wikimedia github mediawiki editor is a pain 16:05 sapier but different pages for each mob would be an option too yes ... I just don't like pages only containing links that much 16:06 sapier what do you think about the shord description description interaction thing? 16:09 Jordach sapier: slow down 16:09 Jordach you're going too fast :P 16:09 sapier :-) 16:10 kahrl perhaps instead of the page containing only links you could make a page that contains all the descriptions 16:11 kahrl since each description contains the name of the animal you can link it 16:11 sapier you mean duplicate the description? 16:12 kahrl I guess you could put description here... in the animal pages, then transclude them 16:12 sapier ? sorry didn't get it 16:12 kahrl is that wiki compliant to mediawiki syntax? 16:13 sapier syntax yes editor no 16:13 kahrl you have to edit the source code then, if that is possible 16:13 sapier but not sure what mediawiki syntax level ... at least everything I tried does work, but I only used basic things 16:15 thexyz I'm sure github doesn't support this 16:15 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix aliases not working in shapeless crafting recipes fead7a27ca 2013-08-25T09:14:26-07:00 http://git.io/9SLjuw 16:15 sapier ahh now I understand .. I didn't even know about that feature :-) I'll try 16:18 * Jordach will probably have about 60 bones in the player file 16:18 * Jordach is finally inplementing fingers 16:18 PilzAdam !op ShadowBot 16:27 sapier sadly that transclusion doesn't seem to be supported on github 16:30 * NekoGloop gives sapier a kitten :3 16:33 PenguinDad NekoGloop: https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/commit/8aec06b1f0eeaeccfb2c86d9692a2f2922b394ef#commitcomment-3938357 16:33 PenguinDad hi john_minetest 16:33 PilzAdam NekoGloop, max_drop_level has not effect on anything by default 16:33 NekoGloop So... how do make mine obsidian 16:34 PilzAdam it can be used by mods, but AFAIK none uses it 16:34 PilzAdam see what PenguinDad said 16:35 NekoGloop But obsidian is level=1, shouldn't something with maxlevel=1 be able to mine it? 16:35 PilzAdam yes 16:35 NekoGloop So then why can't my arol pickaxe mine obsidian? 16:35 PilzAdam because obsidian is level=2 16:35 Evergreen lol 16:36 PenguinDad :D 16:36 NekoGloop ... ? 16:37 PenguinDad NekoGloop: maxlevel=2 is the solution 16:37 NekoGloop ... oh. 16:37 NekoGloop coulda swore that said level=1 16:38 PilzAdam if you increase maxlevel everything else will be mined faster 16:38 PilzAdam "everything else" == everything with level=0 16:38 NekoGloop Gotcha 16:38 NekoGloop How much faster? 16:40 NekoGloop Also, why did you derps remove fleshy from sworddefs? 16:40 PilzAdam uses increases by 3^leveldiff, where leveldiff is 2 in this case 16:41 NekoGloop The point of Arol is tons of uses (see: uses=300) 16:42 NekoGloop Now, I ask again: why can't a sword be used to mine fleshy nodes anymore? 16:42 PilzAdam fleshy was only used for entities, so we removed it when switching to the new damage system 16:43 sapier ANOTHER new damage system???? 16:43 Evergreen Unless you wanted to make some kind of node mob. :P 16:43 NekoGloop sapier, no, he's talking about the current one 16:43 sapier ohhh the new one already added 16:44 NekoGloop PilzAdam, but, still, fleshy was still valid for nodes, yes? 16:44 sapier puuhhhh ... I was frightened .. 16:44 PilzAdam sapier, 1) rage, 2) think 16:44 PilzAdam always this order 16:44 PilzAdam :-p 16:44 sapier of course in 90% of cases this order matches ;-P 16:45 sapier by the way could someone please fix that damn problem you can't punch something without puncher problem? 16:45 PilzAdam hm? 16:46 sapier you can't do group based area damage as minetest crashes as you call punch without a puncher 16:46 PenguinDad Fun Fact: the only fleshy node in default is the apple 16:46 PilzAdam wasnt that fixed, sapier? 16:46 sapier guess there are a lot of worms in there 16:46 sapier I thought so too pa but it seems to be still in 16:46 PilzAdam havent _you_ fixed that? 16:47 NekoGloop Can we just please re-add the fleshy dig definitions for default swords? :P 16:47 sapier I thought so but I can't remember if that fix was ever merged 16:47 dhbiker hi there ... where do texture packs on linux go ? 16:47 PenguinDad and then re-remove :P 16:47 NekoGloop I can understand cutting out choppy, but fleshy is still something for swords. 16:47 PilzAdam dhbiker, on a system-wide installation? 16:48 dhbiker PilzAdam: yes 16:48 NekoGloop heh. cutting out choppy. unintentional pun. 16:48 PilzAdam dhbiker, what Minetest version? 16:48 dhbiker 0.4.7 16:49 PilzAdam place all the texture files in ~/.minetest/textures/all/ 16:49 PilzAdam without subfolders 16:50 PilzAdam sapier, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/55a97f4605a263f4b670b447cd4af9ffa1a8d472 16:50 sapier hmm ok so the c++ part is still in 16:51 dhbiker PilzAdam: should it change directly or do i have to do it somewhere ? 16:51 PilzAdam dhbiker, what do you mean? 16:51 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Add support for using textures in hotbar 439079cad8 2013-08-25T09:49:10-07:00 http://git.io/dmGtYg 16:51 sapier I guess I need to do some additional investigations why this started to fail again 16:51 dhbiker PilzAdam: still have the default one 16:52 NekoGloop Oooo, now we can put textures on the hotbar? 16:52 PenguinDad dhbiker: which texture pack? 16:52 PilzAdam dhbiker, it should work if you put the textures in there 16:53 dhbiker well i had to make the folders 16:53 dhbiker they didn't exist there 16:53 PilzAdam yes, thats normal 16:53 dhbiker PenguinDad: MineToon 16:54 PilzAdam are you sure that the .png files are directly in all/? 16:54 PilzAdam IIRC MineToon copies the whole minetest_game, you need to get the textures from the sub-folders by hand 16:55 dhbiker oh. 16:55 nore PilzAdam, no it won't work since this is with texture pack selection... 16:55 PilzAdam nore, ehm, 0.4.7 16:55 PenguinDad nore: he has stable minetest 16:56 nore ok, I saw a question about textures in hotbar and I thought in was related 16:56 nore sorry 16:56 Zeg9 Hey :D 16:56 nore s/in/it 16:56 NekoGloop nore, that was me 16:56 nore hi 16:56 dhbiker ah 16:56 dhbiker sorry my bad 16:56 dhbiker works now 16:56 PilzAdam nice 16:56 dhbiker thanks for the help 16:56 NekoGloop nore, does that do what I think it does? 16:56 Zeg9 Hi nore 16:57 PenguinDad NekoGloop: ask BlockMen 16:57 PilzAdam NekoGloop, yes, it does 16:57 nore IIRC, BlockMen's pull allowed to change the textures of the hotbar 16:57 NekoGloop Yay 16:57 NekoGloop We need some default GUI images and hotbar images now! :D 16:58 NekoGloop Meh, I have to wait for a build though :P 16:58 BlockMen I will make a new build later 16:58 NekoGloop Oh, we can change the crosshair? 16:58 NekoGloop Did not know that. 16:59 NekoGloop BlockMen, does it work nicely with scaling larger/smaller images than what it's expecting? 17:00 BlockMen smaller looks ugly on large screen (ofc), but yeah, it scales them 17:00 NekoGloop Ok. 17:04 NekoGloop I'm gonna mess with crosshairs now :D 17:04 dhbiker stack limit 99 ? 17:04 NekoGloop that's the standard stack limit, yes. 17:04 dhbiker nice 17:04 PilzAdam NekoGloop, Id like a "<-- Dig here" texture 17:05 NekoGloop hehe 17:06 NekoGloop Ooooo, transparency works... 17:06 VanessaE hi all 17:06 BlockMen PilzAdam, add to Pilztest :P 17:06 dhbiker i like the fact that you don't need a crafting table 17:07 NekoGloop Welcome, minecrafter! :P 17:07 dhbiker why thank you 17:07 dhbiker just visiting 17:07 dhbiker if i like it i might fiddle with it too 17:07 dhbiker :P 17:09 VanessaE do. you'll like it :) 17:09 NekoGloop Aw, texture pack crosshairs don't do the inverting thing 17:10 VanessaE once you get used to how Minetest operates, you may find you like it better. 17:10 dhbiker we will see 17:10 dhbiker i'll hang around in the mean time 17:10 dhbiker if it's not a problem 17:10 NekoGloop I still wish climbable worked on full nodes. 17:11 VanessaE dhbiker: sure, hang around if you like. Fair warning, there are a few minecraft haters in here, so don't feel offended. 17:11 NekoGloop "a few" 17:11 VanessaE dhbiker: no stealing of our ideas either ;) 17:11 NekoGloop Yeah, don't go putting kalite in minecraft. 17:11 NekoGloop :P 17:12 dhbiker VanessaE: no worries i'm usually a huge troll... so i don't get offended 17:12 VanessaE haha 17:12 VanessaE ok 17:12 dhbiker :D 17:12 VanessaE wow, the irc channel for my servers is really hopping today 17:13 NekoGloop I still need to make glooptest gem blocks 17:13 * dhbiker is trying to be a normal non trolling human today 17:13 NekoGloop and maybe alter the spawn rate on the gems 17:13 VanessaE too frequent? 17:13 NekoGloop Nah 17:13 * krofek thinks that dhbiker's no troll behaviur is not possible. 17:13 * dhbiker kills krofek with an enormous christmas tree 17:13 NekoGloop I have them in sections. 17:14 dhbiker krofek none of your business 17:14 dhbiker :P 17:14 NekoGloop Ruby is from a certain height to another 17:14 krofek dhbiker go dhbiking 17:14 NekoGloop Sapphire is from that height to another 17:14 NekoGloop What I need to do is make these chunks larger :P 17:15 dhbiker krofek i wish i could perfect weather today :'( 17:15 NekoGloop Oh, wait, that's not exactly how I did it, but you get the point 17:15 krofek whats wrong with it? free showers everywhere. 17:15 krofek whatcha think? 17:20 krofek what's the size of chunks? 17:20 PilzAdam what do you mean by "chunk"? 17:20 krofek no chunks? 17:20 krofek even better :D 17:21 dhbiker furnace is a bit laggy/buggy i see 17:21 PilzAdam the map consists of 16x16x16 blocks of nodes, these are called MapBlocks 17:21 dhbiker or is it just me 17:21 krofek it is lilbit buggy 17:21 krofek ty PilzAdam 17:21 PilzAdam the map generator always produces 5x5x5 MapBlocks, so 80x80x80 nodes 17:21 krofek whats the y limit? 17:21 PilzAdam (in one step, that is) 17:22 NekoGloop dhbiker, it's a tad laggy. Most node-based interfaces are. 17:22 PilzAdam something arround 31000 upwards, and 31000 downwards 17:22 krofek omfg thats awesome :) 17:23 dhbiker NekoGloop: yeah.. but i'm sure there is room for improvement 17:23 Evergreen However, the same goes for x and z 17:24 NekoGloop VanessaE, http://i.imgur.com/8yAuIAJ.png ruby blocks? :D 17:25 VanessaE hey that's not bad. a little too light though 17:25 VanessaE make the color deeper 17:25 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/nJi2mu9.png for comparison, the ruby. 17:25 VanessaE that's good too, again it needs to be deeper/darker. 17:26 VanessaE I like the pattern/style 17:26 NekoGloop It's supposed to be shiny :P 17:26 dhbiker how do you increase hears / health 17:26 dhbiker hearts* 17:26 NekoGloop And yes, you get a perfectly cut ruby by mining it from stone. 17:26 NekoGloop dhbiker, apples 17:26 NekoGloop left click with one 17:27 dhbiker oh. 17:27 NekoGloop (just going to assume you're playing without any mods. so boring.) 17:27 dhbiker just testing out atm ye 17:27 dhbiker s 17:30 NekoGloop PilzAdam, GRRRR. You removed the bendy group from steel blocks! 17:32 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: Bend a steel block and maybe he will add it back. ;-) 17:32 PenguinDad xD 17:33 dhbiker http://shrani.si/f/31/Cd/2NBICeNY/screenshot.png 17:33 NekoGloop No wonder people are calling my hammers useless. 17:33 dhbiker this is normal ? :D 17:33 NekoGloop It's because you people are MAKING them useless. 17:35 PilzAdam NekoGloop, it wasnt used 17:36 NekoGloop Like HELL it wasn't! 17:36 NekoGloop I was using it. 17:36 sapier https://github.com/sapier/animals_modpack/wiki/Mobs what do you think about sorting it this way? 17:37 dhbiker no minecarts ? :'( 17:37 PilzAdam fishes are not animals? 17:37 BlockMen NekoGloop, new build -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=102552 17:37 PilzAdam dhbiker, try my "Carts" mod 17:37 sapier yea I know ;-) I needed to split that page ;-) 17:38 dhbiker PilzAdam: oh... just wondering how the rail mechanics work 17:38 dhbiker :D 17:38 sapier better? ;-) 17:41 dhbiker PilzAdam: are they rideable yet ? 17:41 PilzAdam yes 17:41 PenguinDad right click the cart 17:41 dhbiker first i have to figure out how to install this 17:42 sapier shbiker you can try monorail too there are even transport carts supported 17:44 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/RqFph4T.png Gem blocks~ 17:45 NekoGloop And yes, they're all edited diamond blocks 17:49 NekoGloop VanessaE, ^ 17:49 VanessaE bbl 17:50 NekoGloop Well fine then. :P 17:53 VanessaE ignore that ^^^ 18:00 NekoGloop VanessaE, update glooptest while you're at it? 18:00 VanessaE too late :P 18:00 VanessaE I'll grab it next time around 18:01 * dhbiker turns offPenguin on 18:01 dhbiker Onpenguin 18:04 NekoGloop rawr this is taking forever 18:17 LinuxGuy2020 I cant get a lan game to work with 0.4.7 source code build. I selected the server tab on one machine and client on another. Is that correct? 18:22 PilzAdam LinuxGuy2020, yea that should work 18:23 PilzAdam enter the IP of the server in the Client tab 18:23 PilzAdam make sure to set the same port on both 18:23 * dhbiker takes the Pilz from PilzAdam 18:25 LinuxGuy2020 they are both set to port 30000 is that ok? 18:25 PilzAdam yes 18:26 jojoa1997 so 18:26 jojoa1997 when does anyone think biomes will be added 18:27 LinuxGuy2020 The laptop here wont connect to the desktop pc. Desktop pc was started on the server tab. Th elaptop started in client tab, it shows the local ip:port. I select and hit connect and it starts loading gets to the connecting to server and just sits there. 18:27 jojoa1997 (i mean definable via lua and for MGV7) 18:27 PilzAdam LinuxGuy2020, can you ping the IP of the server? 18:27 LinuxGuy2020 not sure how to do that in debian 18:28 PilzAdam open a console and type: ping ip 18:28 VanessaE ping foo.bar.baz.blah 18:28 LinuxGuy2020 ok 18:29 * dhbiker pings VanessaE 18:29 Calinou check the PCs' internal IPs 18:29 Calinou "ifconfig" 18:30 VanessaE pong. 18:30 * dhbiker jumps from hapiness 18:33 NekoGloop Oopsies. 18:33 LinuxGuy2020 Got it guys thanks 18:33 NekoGloop Let's -not- open two instances of hexchat 18:33 * VanessaE waits for DanDuncombe to show up again... 18:34 krofek NekoGloop why not? open 10 :P 18:34 NekoGloop The 4th one onward wouldn't know what to try to login as 18:34 NekoGloop :P 18:35 dhbiker NekoGloop: hexchat ? what distro do you use ? 18:35 krofek rand(); :P 18:35 thexyz dhbiker: the proprietary one, I'm sure 18:35 NekoGloop windows. 8. 18:35 dhbiker oh :/ 18:35 dhbiker thought you're running linux 18:36 krofek he's using highly optimized win8 18:36 krofek and very user friendly 18:36 dhbiker you mean the not metro interface ? :D 18:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: [08-25 14:36] What's with those underground witch-like things? [08-25 14:36] It has this cloak thing 18:36 VanessaE oerkki? slenderman? 18:36 PilzAdam wut? 18:37 VanessaE (I'm not up-to-date on what the hostile mobs are) 18:37 NekoGloop They just walk in one direction 18:37 VanessaE well it's either yours, or maybe they're those camo NPCs from Dan's mod 18:37 NekoGloop until they run into a wall in which case they do nothing 18:37 dhbiker lol 18:37 dhbiker AI at it's best :D 18:37 VanessaE neko, screenshot? 18:38 * john_minetest puts a screenshot cat on NekoGloop's head 18:38 NekoGloop I have to find one of them again :P 18:38 Peacock ceiling cat is watching you fap 18:38 krofek XD 18:39 NekoGloop He records it too. I have the job of records-keeper. 18:39 Peacock no, the nsa records your fap sessions 18:39 Peacock and they have an index of your stash XD 18:40 Peacock btw, keeping it in /windows is fooling no one :P 18:41 dhbiker haha 18:41 Peacock (ive repaired enough computers to know lol) 18:41 dhbiker interesting 18:41 dhbiker never looked in there 18:41 NekoGloop Keep it in my documents/creepypasta 18:42 Peacock lol anyways, i has a dilemma, after running geolocate script on my banlist, i figured i have 3 options 18:42 Peacock 1) ban the 2-3 problem countries 18:42 Peacock 2) go to whitelist only 18:42 Peacock 3) create a freebuild zone/country to pen in new players 18:44 VanessaE whitelist. 18:44 VanessaE it takes more of your time, but it results in fewer headaches. 18:45 Evergreen And less griefing. :P 18:46 dhbiker grief grief grief. 18:46 Evergreen No grief since the logo skyblock server started (because only trusted people, devs, moderaters, etc were allowed on) 18:46 Evergreen Including me! yay 18:46 dhbiker booo 18:47 VanessaE minetest needs a "nodamage" priv for admins :P 18:47 Peacock whitelist is essentially the same as granting /denying interact though, people can ask for both, and if they get it, then you gotta cross your fingers 18:47 VanessaE exactly 18:47 VanessaE but they still have to ask for it 18:47 Evergreen But honestly, it is really nice to just throw diamonds in an unlocked chest 18:47 VanessaE griefers are unlikely to ask, especially if you make them jump through some hoops like requiring a forum account 18:47 Evergreen and not have to wory about them getting stolen 18:48 VanessaE you still get a few of course 18:48 VanessaE but it really cuts down on the incidents. 18:48 Peacock well the third option, id create a large enough freebuild country (it wouldn't be the whole map in freebuild with some exceptions anymore) 18:48 Evergreen Actually, the reason the logo skyblock server works so well is that no one knows the IP except the people who were already on 18:49 Evergreen and those people are definitely not giving away the IP 18:49 Peacock well thats if you wanna run a server like a five-star restaurant (no sign, no phonebook listing, guards on the roof shooting people as they try to get in, etc.) 18:50 Peacock i could modify flolands to create the freebuild islands 18:50 Peacock except using default materials 18:54 Peacock or heck maybe even a freebuild realm using a modified moonrealms 18:57 VanessaE kahrl: still no http fetch? remote_media is calling my name, loudly..... :) 18:58 Peacock hearing voices, are you? :P 18:58 Peacock thats allright, i always hear the phone ring when its not *forever alone* :P 19:10 hoodedice So... 19:11 hoodedice ...silent. 19:11 kahrl soylent 19:12 PenguinDad soilent 19:12 hoodedice Peacock 19:12 hoodedice P*nothing* 19:13 Peacock sup 19:13 hoodedice I thought I forgot my ass 19:13 hoodedice lol 19:13 hoodedice *pass 19:14 Peacock lol 19:14 Peacock always check that you still have your ass :P 19:14 hoodedice server is superfast today 19:14 Peacock did a little griefer-pruning lol 19:15 Peacock also getting ready to implement my own final solution XD 19:15 Peacock im gonna cage 'em in to a freebuild country, the rest will be no-man's-land 19:16 * VanessaE pokes kahrl with an http fetch request ;) 19:16 hoodedice freebuild country? 19:16 * kahrl fetches the http 19:16 hoodedice I always think transparent prisons are the best 19:17 Peacock well its like that two level interact idea people floated a few days ago 19:17 Peacock except untrusted players could only build in the freebuild country 19:18 hoodedice hmm 19:18 hoodedice But you are allowing them to build? 19:18 Peacock only in that area, as opposed to most of the map (unprotected space) 19:19 Peacock essentially trusted players would still own their corners of the map, untrusted players wouldn't be able to lay crap everywhere around it though 19:19 hoodedice hmm 19:20 Peacock cuz its either that, or i start banning whole (real) countries under the current scheme lol 19:20 hoodedice =) 19:20 hoodedice griefing should be a real crime 19:20 hoodedice =) 19:20 Peacock lol 19:21 VanessaE you can probably limit your bans to just /16 19:21 VanessaE no need to ban whole countries 19:21 Peacock well after running my geolocate script on the banlist, i quickly figured Brazil was my #1 source of griefers 19:22 Peacock and i dont think i have any legitimate players from there 19:22 hoodedice I played GRID online with some brazilians once 19:22 hoodedice Russians were less agressive 19:22 hoodedice (hoodedice, you are racist) 19:23 Peacock lol 19:23 Peacock since when did people start confusing nationality for racism lol 19:23 VanessaE but how many ISPs did that represent? 19:23 Peacock its a lot of ipranges i downloaded the list lol which is why im considering other options too 19:23 hoodedice Well, it is racist 19:23 hoodedice Uh, sorry 19:24 hoodedice Discriminatory 19:24 Peacock well yeah thats why i figured giving new players a "pen" to play in might be less discriminatory than going with a purely statistical solution 19:24 VanessaE it's neither racist nor discriminatory if a group of people really do behave, statistically, worse than another group 19:24 VanessaE it's profiling then. :) 19:25 Peacock cops get in trouble for that but you can hardly blame them if it works lol 19:25 hoodedice if profiling is a 'bad' thing 19:25 hoodedice I agree 19:26 VanessaE nothing wrong with profiling if it preserves human rights and freedoms better than the alternatives. 19:26 VanessaE (see Israel's method of screening out harmful elements from flights vs. the USA's methods) 19:26 VanessaE (read: Israel does it better) 19:26 Peacock cuz on the one hand, you got countries and groups each with their own culture, but on the other, they dont want authorities relying on those cultural norms to make arrests 19:27 Peacock so either you go with the melting pot approach of assimilating people, or you let them have their cultures and be aware of it too 19:27 hoodedice Ya I remember that 19:28 hoodedice airport checking thingy 19:28 Peacock well it goes beyond airports, i worked in a convenience store for 3 years, but after two weeks you know who to look out for lol 19:30 VanessaE I'll never fly again until the airlines get it through their thick, collective skulls that those scanning machines are a horrible, egregious violation of peoples' privacy. 19:30 VanessaE (and pat-downs are just as much so) 19:31 Peacock if someone wants to feel me up i usually tell them to buy me dinner and a movie first lol they usually back-off totally creeped out :P 19:31 VanessaE lol 19:31 Peacock they like doing it so long as the other person hates having it done to them :P 19:31 VanessaE they'll find out just how dirty my mind can get if they try :D 19:33 Peacock i'd do like dale gribble, wear a thong for the airport staff :P 19:33 Peacock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oai1V7kaFBk 19:34 NekoGloop HEh 19:34 NekoGloop Don't wear enough to hide anything 19:34 Peacock in any case youll never catch me in one of those flying tin cans 19:34 VanessaE I'll do you one better and wear something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/181199568340 19:34 VanessaE :D 19:35 VanessaE and then remind them that all of the goods are already spoken for :D 19:35 NekoGloop "Does it look like I could possibly hide anything in this?" 19:36 sapier1 does anyone know a good service for hosting images to be used in github wiki? 19:36 thexyz "don't fly during ramadan" 19:36 thexyz sapier1: github? 19:36 VanessaE sapier1: imgur? 19:36 VanessaE or just through github 19:36 sapier1 you can host images on github? 19:36 VanessaE sure, but they don't like you to do that I don't think 19:36 thexyz (if somebody missed it: http://varnull.adityamukerjee.net/post/59021412512/dont-fly-during-ramadan) 19:36 NekoGloop you can host any files on there 19:36 thexyz sapier1: it works for comments 19:36 Peacock it was on slashdot too 19:37 sapier1 they don't even provide a upload image for their wiki and tell "you can host it everywhere" (but not her on github) 19:39 BlockMen BetterHUD uses new hotbar textures support now :) -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107456#p107456 19:40 Peacock though the guy from the article apparently tested positive for certain chemicals so... lol 19:41 Calinou BlockMen tested positive for bread icons 19:43 Evergreen Oh, so now that there is hotbar texturing capabilities.... 19:43 Peacock no https://cdn1.iconfinder.com/data/icons/pidginsmilies/poop.png icons? 19:43 Evergreen Can someone give me a template texture for the hotbar and hotbar_selected? 19:43 Peacock make the toilets useful 19:43 * Evergreen opens gimp 19:43 BlockMen Calinou, wut? 19:44 Peacock lol 19:44 BlockMen Evergreen, take those from pull request or from my mod? 19:45 Evergreen It appears there isn't a "default" hotbar texture, so I don't have a default sized template 19:45 Evergreen What size do they need to be? 19:46 * Evergreen thinks lots of texture pack creators will be happy about this 19:48 BlockMen Evergreen, idk the exact size now. 19:48 BlockMen i made the textures for the largest scales case, so item size = 64px 19:49 BlockMen but the images are scaled to hotbar size, so you can use any size 19:49 Evergreen Okay, I'll try testing this a bit 19:50 BlockMen Evergreen, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/849 19:55 * sfan5 throws a kitten at john_minetest 19:56 * john_minetest catches the kitten and puts it on NekoGloop's head. 19:57 sfan5 new minetest build compiling... 19:57 NekoGloop mew 19:59 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107461#p107461 20:00 Calinou "Please give us the option to change locale manually instead of imposing one automatically like an oppressive government." 20:00 Calinou lol'd 20:00 * Peacock dispatches Minetest Shock Troopers 20:01 Peacock with an AOL cd 20:01 PenguinDad plol'd 20:01 Calinou oh I remember them 20:01 Peacock nice coasters 20:01 Calinou lol, we said the same thing 20:02 Peacock i think it scarred many people for a decade or two lol 20:02 Peacock in Canada we had Compuserve lol 20:02 Peacock which was another walled-in network 20:03 Peacock but who the fuck pays by the hour? lol 20:03 Peacock was bad enough using internet tied up the phone lines back then 20:03 sfan5 >can 20:03 Calinou paying by the hour is quite bad 20:03 Calinou unlimited bandwidth ftw 20:04 sfan5 new minetest build! 20:05 Peacock i pay something like 45$ cdn and i dont have to keep an eye on bandwidth 20:06 Calinou I pay 30 euros/month for 4.7/0.3Mb internet, phone, and TV (which I can't use...) 20:06 Calinou even if I could use it, I wouldn't 20:06 Peacock my speeds are a bit higher at 6 for d/l 20:06 Peacock i dont have a home phone lol 20:06 Peacock or cable hookup 20:07 Calinou same 20:07 * Calinou brohooves john_minetest 20:07 Peacock well its plain logic for me, i can't take the home phone with me, and it costs the same, so i got mobile lol 20:07 * john_minetest brohooves Calinou 20:07 Calinou /)(^ε^)(\ 20:08 Peacock they keep trying to sell me these bundled packages where you save at most five bucks lol 20:08 Peacock but then you're fucked if they increase the rates on any of the services 20:09 Calinou an iPhone isn't 500 euros 20:09 Calinou the latest one is ~680 euros 20:09 Calinou and that's the 16GB one :P 20:09 Peacock why do you think i dont want kids? lol 20:09 Peacock its iphones and laptops today, imagine in ten years 20:09 Calinou people give up repairability for convenience and swag, fact 20:10 iqualfragile i hate it when people put "fact" into their sentences to proove that they are facts 20:10 Calinou my girlfriend drew this, don't upvote 20:11 Calinou "0.5 GB GPU" that doesn't make performance of a GPU 20:11 Peacock growing up i was the only kid i knew who actually bought his own computer, spent a summer washing trucks for it too lol 20:11 Peacock back then a cheapo model was 2k$ 20:12 Peacock ugh 20:12 Peacock my first laptop was actually my sister's when she went to uni 20:12 Calinou laptops are still pretty expensive these days 20:12 Calinou /decent/ laptops 20:12 Peacock parents bought it for christmas, she started six months later, it was already "not powerful enough" 20:13 Calinou and have bad warranty 20:13 Calinou 1 year by default, and you gotta pay money for 2 or 3 years... 20:13 Peacock it had a 400mb hard drive, and a 28K modem lol 20:13 Peacock and the screen was the size of today's netbooks lol 20:15 Peacock thats what i hate about laptops, when they break, thats it 20:15 Peacock unless you have the patience for all those tiny screws and parts, which i dont 20:16 kahrl gotta love minetest's non-centralized login system 20:17 * Calinou installed xubuntu 13.04 64 bit on some old PC with a 8600GT and athlon 6 20:17 Calinou 64* 20:17 kahrl nobody can log into MC right now :P 20:17 Calinou worked fine, even nouveau works on it, lol 20:17 Calinou used to have rendering issues on log in screen, fixed by updating kernel 20:17 Calinou kahrl: same thing applies to skins and such :P 20:18 VanessaE which one? 20:18 VanessaE kahrl: http_fetch :( 20:18 kahrl VanessaE: working on it 20:18 VanessaE (insert random harrassment here) 20:18 Calinou VanessaE's server is creative... 20:18 Peacock nouveau lol well its a tiny bit better than before, the latest imagediscs actually load lol 20:18 VanessaE Calinou: I have two. 20:18 Calinou kahrl: you're making a simple HTTP server for minetest? 20:18 Calinou Peacock: it's enough if you don't play games 20:19 Peacock well for me just getting past boot on the newer computer was an issue with most live images 20:19 kahrl Calinou: nope just fixing problem with media download via curl 20:19 kahrl and making curl accessible from lua 20:19 kahrl +s 20:19 Calinou you could use nomodeset anyway 20:20 Peacock tried it 20:20 Peacock and many other ideas lol 20:20 thexyz kahrl: and don't forget about sha1 filenames, please 20:21 thexyz also, will we have multiple remote media servers? 20:21 Calinou john_minetest: "a bit" slow, heh 20:22 kahrl thexyz, -> #dev 20:23 Calinou half an hour is very long 20:23 Calinou takes ~1 minute to compile for me with 8 threads 20:23 Calinou a bit more 20:25 Calinou I never compile for windows 20:26 Calinou compile a linux kernel for windows! 20:26 NekoGloop PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/lg4d677.png 20:26 PilzAdam NekoGloop, thats an Oerkki 20:27 NekoGloop Your oerkkis look like witches 20:27 Calinou bitches* 20:27 Calinou your font looks nice, neko259 20:27 Calinou NekoGloop* 20:27 Calinou do you use freetype? 20:28 NekoGloop Pretty sure that's in my build, ya. 20:28 VanessaE done 20:28 VanessaE you should already have had it though 20:28 Calinou your font looks prettier than mine :( 20:28 Calinou the freetype font used by default is quite ugly 20:29 VanessaE everyone who played on the creative server can immediately play on the survival one 20:29 NekoGloop Calinou, this is default 20:29 NekoGloop unless VE has a special font set up for her server 20:29 Calinou then it looks different based on your OS... 20:29 Calinou ._. 20:29 VanessaE NekoGloop: not that I know of 20:29 NekoGloop heh 20:29 VanessaE the font in your screenshot is not my custom one, so that's whatever you set up 20:30 NekoGloop It probably loads whatever the OS tells it is the "default" font for the system 20:30 NekoGloop Which... if I had to guess, is Arial for me. 20:30 NekoGloop Calinou, can I see what it looks like for you? 20:31 Calinou i need to compile it, i'm on netbook :/ 20:31 NekoGloop heh 20:32 Calinou need to go, so I can't, bye 20:32 Calinou will show you tomorrow :) 20:34 BlockMen bye everyone 21:37 acerspyro Hello, I tried to run MineTest for the first time, and all I get is a white screen, with a black box with tabs and buttons, but no text, only white labels instead of text. 21:37 acerspyro And, clicking around randomly, I can change tabs, but not activate anything by buttons 21:37 thexyz what's your OS, how're you running it? 21:37 acerspyro Linux openSuSE 12.3, just installed the 1-click install package for 32 bit 21:38 acerspyro Minecraft works perfectly 21:41 thexyz launch `minetest` from terminal emulator and pastebin console output 21:41 acerspyro ok 21:42 acerspyro http://pastebin.com/ERJVz0ai 21:42 harrison http://youtu.be/KEMuf86NuPU 21:43 acerspyro GUIMessageMenu: Not allowing focus change. happened when I was randopmly clicking widgets 21:43 sfan5 "OpenGL driver version is not 1.2 or better.[...]GLSL not available." 21:43 sfan5 update your gfx card driver? 21:43 acerspyro I know, but where do I update thar? 21:43 sfan5 try "lspci | grep VGA" 21:45 acerspyro no output 21:46 acerspyro oh lol 21:46 acerspyro Need to run as root 21:46 * acerspyro facepalm 21:46 VanessaE lspci as root? since when? 21:46 acerspyro Ah, got an output 21:47 acerspyro as root* 21:47 acerspyro Cat invading my desk!!! 21:47 sfan5 lawl 21:47 acerspyro 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600GT] (rev a1) 21:48 sfan5 !g opensuse nvidia GeForce 8600GT 21:48 MinetestBot sfan5: http://en.opensuse.org/HCL:Nvidia_video_cards 21:48 sfan5 ^ acerspyro 21:48 ShadowBot sfan5: http://en.opensuse.org/HCL:Nvidia_video_cards 21:48 acerspyro kk 21:48 sfan5 ShadowBot: stfu 21:48 ShadowBot sfan5: The operation succeeded. 21:49 acerspyro XD 21:49 VanessaE haha 21:52 acerspyro ok 21:52 acerspyro What am I looking at there? I found my video card in the list 21:53 acerspyro lol everyone says that 21:53 acerspyro Meh, 1st contact, FreeBAD 21:54 acerspyro BSD* 21:54 acerspyro I know 21:54 acerspyro Then, I had ChromeOS, then learned it was a modified openSuSE 21:56 acerspyro sfan5: what am I looking at? 21:56 acerspyro Don't tell me "your monitor" 21:57 sfan5 ehm 21:57 thexyz acerspyro: what video driver do you have installed? 21:57 sfan5 that wikipage should help you to install/update your video card driver 21:57 acerspyro The proprietart GeForce 8600 GT driver from nvidia 21:57 thexyz odd 21:57 acerspyro proprietary* 21:57 thexyz also, menu should work anyway, I think 21:57 acerspyro All the other 3D apps works great 21:58 acerspyro I'll make a screenshot of what I see 22:00 sfan5 apparently your driver doesn't even have OpenGL 1.2 or GLSL support 22:00 acerspyro ik that 22:04 acerspyro http://imgur.com/JYERIJv 22:04 acerspyro Here's what I see 22:05 sfan5 ohh 22:05 sfan5 1) don't run minetest as root 22:05 acerspyro It will do the same not as root 22:06 sfan5 2) /sbin and /usr/sbin are not in your $PATH -> lspci does work without root just use /sbin/lspci instead of lspci 22:06 acerspyro ok 22:07 sfan5 are you sure you installed the driver correctly? 22:07 acerspyro yes 22:07 acerspyro Only Minetest does that 22:07 acerspyro kwin effects, minecraft, red eclipse and some windows games work perfectly... 22:07 sfan5 this problem could be related to Irrlicht 22:08 acerspyro Which is? 22:08 acerspyro A library? 22:08 sfan5 dunno 22:08 VanessaE how do I properly disable the fire mod without breaking things like PilzAdam's DM? 22:09 acerspyro sfan5: it's a game engine 22:09 sfan5 VanessaE: enable_fire = false IIRC 22:09 PilzAdam VanessaE, /set -n disable_fire true 22:09 PilzAdam sfan5, wrong 22:09 VanessaE oh is that all? pff 22:09 VanessaE ok 22:09 sfan5 acerspyro: oh.. that is what you meant by "Which is?" 22:09 PilzAdam it basically just disables the spreading 22:10 acerspyro yes 22:10 PilzAdam you will still see fire in the DM explosions, but its harmless 22:10 sfan5 PilzAdam: I usually mess up disable_something = true vs. enable_something = false 22:10 VanessaE huh. that setting is not documented in the minetest.conf.example 22:10 PilzAdam VanessaE, because its a game setting 22:10 PilzAdam not from the engine 22:11 VanessaE that explains it :P 22:11 sfan5 -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6779 22:11 sfan5 acerspyro: could you try running supertuxkart or some Irrlicht examples ? 22:11 acerspyro Oh yes, supertuxkart runs well 22:12 sfan5 wat 22:12 acerspyro I didn't know it used irrlicht, tho 22:13 sfan5 does OpenSuse have apt-get ? 22:13 acerspyro no 22:14 acerspyro zypper 22:14 sfan5 ... 22:15 Peacock apt-get ponies kittens unicorns 22:15 sfan5 acerspyro: could you try compiling minetest? 22:16 acerspyro sure 22:17 sfan5 seems like opensuse has 2 different irrlicht packages with different versions 22:17 sfan5 one of the irrlicht versions could be making problems 22:17 * sfan5 is now away to sleep 22:18 sfan5 s/making/causing/ 22:19 * john_minetest also goes to sleep now. cya. 22:21 acerspyro Where's the makefile? 22:21 acerspyro ls 22:21 acerspyro oops 22:24 thexyz acerspyro: do `cmake -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1; make` 22:24 acerspyro Wait, I just read that readme file, and I'll install full of packages 22:26 acerspyro Most of my packages were not found in my repos 22:27 acerspyro I have like 18 repos 22:34 thexyz acerspyro: they're named differently 22:34 acerspyro ok 22:37 acerspyro thexyz: so how do I know which to install? 22:38 thexyz acerspyro: sorry, I have no idea about how are those packages named 22:38 thexyz in opensuse 22:39 thexyz I think you need something like `zypper install --type pattern devel_basis` 22:39 acerspyro ok 22:40 thexyz and then you'll need some -devel packages 22:40 thexyz like irrlicht-devel 22:44 acerspyro not found 22:47 thexyz uh 22:47 thexyz I think you'll have more luck in suse-related channel, sorry 22:47 acerspyro I just found them in my package manager... 22:48 acerspyro Under a very different name 22:48 acerspyro build-essential -> libestr 22:50 thexyz wait, that's not it 22:50 acerspyro no? 22:50 acerspyro Description looked similar 23:00 acerspyro I found all the packages 1 by 1, going to install them 23:01 kaeza greetings 23:01 iqualfragile moin kaeza 23:01 kaeza o/ 23:03 acerspyro It's making 23:15 theinvsblman hello, i'm experiencing very poor performance in minetest 0.4.7 (downloaded from github and compiled just now) 23:15 VanessaE define "poor performance" 23:15 theinvsblman 30fps on an i7-2630QM and a GT540M 23:16 VanessaE you mean low fps, or mapgen lag, or something else? 23:16 theinvsblman the OS is xubuntu 12.10 23:16 theinvsblman i'm not entirely sure if i done everything correctly 23:16 theinvsblman i did make install and just ran the game using "minetest" and generated a world with the default parameters 23:16 VanessaE well notebook graphics aren't exactly known for being fast 23:16 VanessaE 30fps sounds about right 23:16 theinvsblman yes, but the performance in minecraft is much better for me 23:17 acerspyro Wow, minecraft should have lower performance... 23:17 VanessaE you have an appropriate video driver? 23:17 acerspyro Java program 23:17 theinvsblman yes, everything works 23:17 theinvsblman the cpu load seems high too 23:17 VanessaE how much of a view range do you get out of minecraft, vs. minetest? 23:18 theinvsblman i get better performance on far in minecraft than in minetest on default settings 23:18 VanessaE (if I recall right, minetest will expand out to ~240m) 23:18 theinvsblman i might have misconfigured something though 23:18 theinvsblman seems weird the game runs so slowly 23:18 VanessaE try turning off things like shaders and fancy leaves 23:19 theinvsblman also, the game says it's a minimal development test and tells me to run "minetest_game" but i found no such thing 23:19 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game 23:19 VanessaE clone that and put it in your games folder. 23:21 theinvsblman how can i find the location of the games folder? 23:21 VanessaE it's in your minetest folder 23:21 VanessaE under linux, that's ~/.minetest/games 23:22 VanessaE or you can use /usr/share/minetest/games 23:22 VanessaE but the former is recommended of course 23:22 theinvsblman ok, the game seems to work properly 23:27 theinvsblman the performance is still poor though 23:28 VanessaE wish I knew why. 23:28 theinvsblman the frame time graph shows a lot of spikes 23:29 theinvsblman also i'm getting a lot of occlusion culling glitches 23:31 VanessaE I can only guess it's some setting on minetest that is "fancier" than in minecraft on your machine 23:31 VanessaE did you turn off shaders and fancy leaves? 23:33 theinvsblman doesn't help much 23:33 theinvsblman the game is really smooth as long as not much terrain is loaded 23:33 theinvsblman after a certain point the game gets really laggy 23:34 VanessaE you don't have 'full range' enabled do you? 23:34 VanessaE (press 'r') 23:34 VanessaE lag != low FPS. 23:35 theinvsblman by lag i meant there are a lot of small spikes 23:36 VanessaE no idea :( 23:36 theinvsblman hm, looks like it's not rendering's fault 23:36 theinvsblman it's still choppy even if there's nothing in the view 23:36 VanessaE something eating CPU? 23:36 VanessaE disp-lay/desktop compositing maybe? 23:36 VanessaE -- 23:36 theinvsblman using xfce with compositing disabled 23:37 VanessaE hm 23:37 theinvsblman system load is 3.21 (out of 8, it's a cpu with 8 threads) 23:37 VanessaE 3.21 is too high 23:37 theinvsblman so the game has enough resources to run 23:37 VanessaE you shouldn't be seeing a load greater than 1 normally 23:37 theinvsblman on a multicore system it's normal 23:38 VanessaE load as in load average? 23:38 theinvsblman yes 23:38 VanessaE no. 23:38 VanessaE top - 19:38:53 up 8 days, 21:21, 2 users, load average: 0.76, 0.87, 1.33 <--- 6 core system. 23:38 theinvsblman maybe it depends on the system 23:38 sapier1 3.21 is quite heavy 23:38 theinvsblman for me 8.00 is the maximum load 23:38 VanessaE you've got something sucking down CPU 23:38 theinvsblman hm this is rather interesting 23:39 sapier1 do a top and look up who is eating up the cpu ;-) 23:39 theinvsblman the X server is using 86%, an xfce4-panel is using 100% and minetest is using 157% 23:39 VanessaE there's your answer 23:39 theinvsblman weird stuff going on but still 23:39 VanessaE xfce panel should never use 100% 23:39 theinvsblman cpu usage is less than 50% 23:39 VanessaE "cpu usage" is the total of all cores 23:39 sapier1 seems like some overlay glitch 23:40 VanessaE so 50% means you've got ~4 threads/cores used up 23:40 sapier1 do you have other opengl enabled applications running? 23:40 theinvsblman yes 23:40 theinvsblman i don't 23:40 sapier1 do you have a real 8 core machine ore 4+4ht 23:40 theinvsblman hm this is really weird 23:40 theinvsblman 4 core with hyper-threading 23:40 theinvsblman as soon as i shut minetest down 23:41 theinvsblman all the weird cpu usage disappeared 23:41 theinvsblman including xfce panel 23:41 theinvsblman well i've got a theory 23:41 sapier1 I have same behaviour if I try to run xbmc minetest and some other 3d app same time 23:42 theinvsblman ok so i think the problem is 23:42 sapier1 and firefox of course ... it's always involved if lag is there 23:42 theinvsblman the window title refreshes really often 23:42 theinvsblman it might be causing some weird issues with the panel 23:42 theinvsblman any quick way to disable it without recompiling? 23:43 sapier1 I don't think so 23:43 theinvsblman ok then, going to mess around with the code 23:43 sapier1 "full screen" is still not supported ... is it? 23:45 acerspyro Ok, after compiling from source, MineTest works ^-^ 23:45 acerspyro Thanks 23:47 theinvsblman this is funny 23:47 theinvsblman i commented out the code responsible for updating the window caption with fps 23:47 theinvsblman all performance issues are gone 23:47 theinvsblman getting stable 60fps 23:47 acerspyro Oh, sure 23:48 sapier1 maybe you could do a reduced update inteval instead of completely removing it 23:48 acerspyro It needs to tell the Window Manager about it at each refresh 23:48 sapier1 e.g. every 100 steps 23:48 VanessaE wait a minute here 23:48 VanessaE exactly WHAT did you comment-out? 23:48 VanessaE what file and line? 23:48 theinvsblman lines 3357 to 3366 in game.cpp 23:48 VanessaE I want to see how this behaves on my box 23:49 VanessaE (since I also run xfce) 23:50 sapier1 wow ... that code is insane :-) 23:50 theinvsblman not sure if it's a minetest bug or a wm/panel bug 23:51 theinvsblman but still, probably not a good idea to update the window title 60 times a second 23:51 sapier1 exactly ;-) 23:52 sapier1 even once per second would be insane ;-) but this could be changed quite easy 23:52 sapier1 add another static counter increasing each step once it's bigger than lastFPS update the title 23:52 sapier1 this way you get roughly once per second 23:52 sapier1 still much :) 23:52 acerspyro Why would the title be updated with the FPS count anyways? 23:53 VanessaE huh. 23:53 sapier1 hey we need to tell user how many fps we can do ;-) 23:53 VanessaE you know, I think that improved it a bit for me also 23:53 VanessaE Xorg CPU usage with MT open is now less than 10%. usually it's in the 50% range 23:54 PilzAdam Evergreen, Pilztest has backpacks now 23:54 VanessaE and I'm seeing a slightly higher FPS that usual in my test area (spawn on creative server) 23:54 Evergreen Cool 23:54 VanessaE the FPS is already in the F6 display anyway 23:54 VanessaE (page 2) 23:55 VanessaE why display it in the title bar if it can be found there? 23:55 VanessaE or at least, put it next to 'drawtime' in the F5 display 23:55 theinvsblman wow, now the game runs really well 23:56 theinvsblman and the load is much lower 23:56 sapier1 I guess this triggers some very bad habit of xfce :) 23:56 theinvsblman i wonder if i can run the game on the integrated gpu (nvidia optimus) 23:57 VanessaE allegedly you can 23:57 sapier1 the game runs fine on core i5 gpu so you won't have any problems with nvidia gpus ;-) 23:57 VanessaE but don't expect good perforance then :) 23:57 VanessaE performance * 23:58 theinvsblman this is interesting 23:58 theinvsblman 60fps on intel hd 3000 as well 23:59 sapier1 strange I've got only 35 on gtx260 23:59 theinvsblman hm, slowed down a bit after loading more terrain 23:59 sapier1 but all those fancy things turned on 23:59 theinvsblman but still playable, 40 fps or higher 23:59 VanessaE that's normal, it tries to display as much terrain as possible, up to the fps you have configured 23:59 VanessaE I think by default it tries to keep it above 30 23:59 theinvsblman nice 23:59 theinvsblman minecraft by default tries to keep it below 20 i guess