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00:00 sapier pumpkins? argh
00:00 Warr1024 never tried it
00:00 Warr1024 sounds... interesting.
00:01 Warr1024 it sounds like there's either a good bit of work to do in the porting code to support OpenBSD (or to try to catch possibly-supported platforms that have otherwise fallen through the cracks) or to fix the way the lua api is handling paths.
00:01 VanessaE mmm pumpkin pie sounds good right now
00:02 Warr1024 I guess, ideally, we'd make all file IO act as if chrooted into the minetest dir.
00:02 Warr1024 though I guess you could still sneak in malicious code by opening the minetest binary (on certain platforms) and patching it for next run.
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00:03 Warr1024 that's probably a problem for later, though...
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00:04 sapier of course warr1024 it's a lot to do until this can be called secure
00:05 Warr1024 I don't know if it's really practical to try to "secure" this thing by doing a bunch of path checking logic...
00:05 NekoGloop VanessaE, Can I at least get stainless steel for its ingredients due to technic being coded horribly?
00:05 sapier it's just a small brick ;-)
00:06 Warr1024 for instance, it may still be possible to creat symlinks from within lua, which would allow the mod to break out of the "chroot"...
00:06 Warr1024 For the server, with all the mods, I've largely been just running the thing as a separate user
00:06 sapier of course those functions need to be removed too ;-) thats planed
00:06 Warr1024 I don't know if the client is designed (yet?) to run server-supplied code..
00:06 NekoGloop also RIP pumice generator
00:06 VanessaE sure
00:07 sapier not by now but this will require lots of thinking
00:07 Warr1024 hm
00:07 NekoGloop because of the fucking idiots on the server who don't know to not touch things that aren't theirs.
00:07 sapier and a very limited set of api calls on client of course
00:07 Warr1024 I was never really too concerned about the security in minetest, but then again, I was running the server under a dedicated account...
00:07 kaeza NekoGloop, welcome to survival :D
00:07 NekoGloop VanessaE, https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/blob/master/technic/machines/alloy_furnaces_commons.lua#L38 I'll throw in a coal to lose as well, for the required fuel of cooking
00:08 sapier it's not the servers I'm concerned about but singleplayer games with mods ;-)
00:08 Warr1024 ah, forgot those exist :-)
00:09 Warr1024 privsep is probably the best approach, but even less portable...
00:09 sapier I guess there wont be the single solution fixing it at once ;-)
00:10 Warr1024 almost to the very bottom of porting.cpp:
00:10 Warr1024 #elif defined(__FreeBSD__)
00:10 Warr1024 path_share = STATIC_SHAREDIR;
00:10 Warr1024 path_user = std::string(getenv("HOME")) + "/." + PROJECT_NAME;
00:10 Warr1024 #endif
00:10 Warr1024 was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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00:10 kaeza lol
00:10 Warr1024 maybe that #elif should just be #else?
00:10 PilzAdam bye
00:10 sapier home?
00:11 Warr1024 basically, there's no plain #else
00:11 Warr1024 if windows do this, if linux do that, if osx do this, if freebsd do that...
00:11 sapier else tell "unsupported os" ;-)
00:12 Warr1024 OpenBSD probably WOULD work, in the non-RUN_IN_PLACE state, without that #elif.
00:13 Warr1024 and NetBSD too, I guess.
00:13 Warr1024 hm, looks like there ARE __NetBSD__ and __OpenBSD__ flags...
00:13 NekoGloop kaeza, survival ~= griefers ahoy
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00:18 Warr1024 what ARE the supported platforms for minetest?
00:19 NekoGloop everything it builds on
00:19 NekoGloop ;)
00:19 Warr1024 srsly?  that's a hell of a large target :-)
00:20 NekoGloop If you can build it on a toaster, then good for you.
00:20 NekoGloop ;)
00:20 Warr1024 looks like windows, linux, osx, and freebsd are the only ones listed on the website.
00:20 Warr1024 building it isn't the problem
00:20 VanessaE OS-X is questionable though
00:20 Warr1024 VanessaE: yeah, but that's not a minetest-specific issue :-)
00:20 VanessaE heh
00:23 Warr1024 anyone ever built and/or run this thing on netbsd?
00:24 VanessaE nope, no one would ever try something crazy like that :D
00:24 Warr1024 if nobody has, I probably will.
00:24 VanessaE you may as well ask people to try to compile it for QNX ;)
00:24 NekoGloop Has anyone ran it on a toaster?
00:25 Warr1024 heh, I might try if I had one of those NetBSD toasters.
00:25 VanessaE NekoGloop: kikaRz has :P
00:25 Warr1024 if I'm going to submit patches to make this thing work on OpenBSD, I might as well do for NetBSD too.
00:25 VanessaE if you refine "toaster" as "an improperly-cooled CPU that keeps breaking 70°C" :D
00:26 VanessaE Warr1024: good idea
00:26 NekoGloop Well, it functions as a toaster, right?
00:26 VanessaE the way she was making it sound, yes :P
00:27 Warr1024 google for "netbsd toaster"
00:27 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/G6xKhWT.png this was one source of lava, btw :P
00:27 Warr1024 it's literally a toaster.
00:27 VanessaE Warr1024: does it count if the PC running the game has, itself, a toaster connected? :)
00:28 VanessaE http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/12db/
00:28 VanessaE e.g. that
00:28 VanessaE wait, wrong one
00:29 VanessaE damn it, where was it..
00:29 NekoGloop DOMO! :D
00:29 VanessaE http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/looflirpa/igrill.shtml
00:30 VanessaE how about a grill? :)
00:30 VanessaE or an oven?  http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/ezbake.shtml
00:30 VanessaE :D
00:30 NekoGloop does it google what you put in there and cook it accordingly? :P
00:32 VanessaE heh
00:33 VanessaE http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e8bf/?srp=72  HA!
00:34 NekoGloop Is it... a scanner... or scammer?
00:37 Warr1024 I don't get the "be instantly calm" reference
00:38 NekoGloop I'm not sure it -is- a reference
00:38 NekoGloop It might just be randomness
00:39 Warr1024 maybe it's a reference to itself
00:39 Warr1024 i.e. this is where a meme is born :-)
00:40 NekoGloop VanessaE, https://github.com/VanessaE/gloopblocks/pull/2
00:40 Warr1024 anyhow, I'ma check out... maybe I'll see if I can get netbsd / openbsd / other posix-like support into porting.cpp...
00:40 VanessaE NekoGloop: shortly.  dealing with a problem on my web server at the moment
00:41 VanessaE NekoGloop: why'd you remove the recipes for nyancat blocks?
00:44 NekoGloop VanessaE, remember, duplicates?
00:44 VanessaE oh right, duh
00:44 VanessaE I'll merge this in after I'm done with this other issue
00:45 NekoGloop herpaderp I never added a recipe for the scaffolds
00:45 VanessaE I noticed. :)
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00:45 VanessaE FIX IT FIX IT FIX IT!!!!!!!!!!!1
00:45 VanessaE :)
00:45 NekoGloop Oh, fuck it, these things aren't that useful anyway...
00:46 VanessaE (just push another commit and it'll get tacked onto the pull automatically)
00:50 NekoGloop https://github.com/VanessaE/gloopblocks/pull/3
00:50 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: I updated the recipes for glooptest in technic in the rewrite branch.
00:50 VanessaE "derp".  heh
00:50 NekoGloop Can you make switching stations not stupidly expensive too?
00:51 NekoGloop since, y'know, currently the entry point to the mod is 144 spare copper.
00:51 NekoGloop in addition to other things including non-functional alloy furnaces for stainless steel, and tons of steel.
00:52 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: Yes, give me a sugestion for the recipe.
00:57 NekoGloop http://pastebin.com/9r6njhW8
00:57 NekoGloop Or something similar to that.
00:59 NekoGloop And don't give me any of RBA's bullshit about "lol it only uses LV things but this works for all electricity" it's a fucking game, do we need realism where it impacts gameplay?
01:02 NekoGloop ShadowNinja, did you see it?
01:03 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: Yes, added.
01:03 NekoGloop Ah, ok.
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01:11 Evergreen Nolan just asked what a terminal is on the forums.   He is obviously a windows user
01:13 Exio4 i'm uber l33t
01:16 VanessaE yay!  I finally got smart and set up public key auth on my web server :D
01:17 VanessaE (after getting the root issue fixed that is)
01:17 Exio4 VanessaE: buy me a tablet
01:17 Exio4 7"
01:17 VanessaE no. :)
01:17 Exio4 i already bought the keyboard!
01:23 VanessaE NekoGloop: dafuq?  I already have a scaffold image in HDX!?
01:23 NekoGloop I probably told you to make it before, then never actually fully made the scaffold
01:23 VanessaE ah
01:23 VanessaE well that saves me a step :D
01:24 NekoGloop Ooooh, can I see it in your texture pack? Like, a screenie?
01:25 VanessaE sure, shortly.
01:25 NekoGloop (since my computer would probably die if I tried)
01:25 VanessaE gimme a few seconds
01:25 VanessaE um, error.
01:25 VanessaE I can't stack the scaffolds manually.
01:25 NekoGloop hm?
01:26 VanessaE try placing one, then place another on top of it like you're building with cobble or something
01:26 VanessaE after the second one, it stops accepting more
01:26 NekoGloop If you want to ignore their special placement ruleses, shift-click
01:26 VanessaE that works, might confuse a few players though
01:27 NekoGloop Yeah I'll make that later. :l
01:27 NekoGloop emphasis on later
01:27 NekoGloop meaning probably never
01:27 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2008242013%20-%2009:27:56%20PM.png
01:27 VanessaE the screenie you requested :)
01:28 NekoGloop mmmmm, smexy wooden beams
01:28 VanessaE smexy?
01:28 NekoGloop :P
01:29 NekoGloop remove m for meaning
01:30 VanessaE he
01:30 VanessaE heh
01:30 VanessaE k, pushed to git.
01:31 VanessaE you may want to re-clone
01:32 Exio4 could anyone give me 1 USD as gift?
01:32 Exio4 :D
01:32 VanessaE nope, I could use a few bucks myself :P
01:32 Exio4 aw
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02:48 NekoGloop ShadowNinja, Oh, I hope you realized that I accidentally put a space in the name of the switching station in the recipe
02:49 NekoGloop Ah, he did, ok.
02:50 VanessaE I suppose that means I have to restart the servers :P
02:50 VanessaE (update technic, etc)
02:51 NekoGloop No.
02:51 VanessaE ok
02:51 NekoGloop Because you're not using his rewrite branch
02:51 VanessaE vanessa@rainbird:~/Minetest-related/mods/RBAs_mods/technic$ git pull
02:51 VanessaE [...]
02:51 VanessaE + f25123d...d5b639e rewrite    -> origin/rewrite  (forced update)
02:51 VanessaE wanna bet? :-)
02:52 NekoGloop Oh, you are.
02:52 NekoGloop in which case, scratch everything I said about RBA's code
02:52 VanessaE lol!
02:52 NekoGloop Because then it's not RBA's code.
02:54 VanessaE creative is updated, waiting for survival to go idle before I restart it
02:54 NekoGloop What's the purpose behind calling the thing a "switching station" anyway?
02:54 NekoGloop Wouldn't "energy router" or something be more fitting?
02:54 VanessaE it took over the functions formerly handled by the battery box
02:54 VanessaE well I suppose in a way yeah
02:55 VanessaE but 'switching station' made more sense in an electrical grid sense I guess
02:55 NekoGloop This isn't an electrician's playground, this is a game.
02:56 VanessaE ShadowNinja: care to comment on that? :D
02:56 Sokomine there was reason for the switching station: large technic installations without it lagg horribly
02:56 Sokomine so much that they become useless pretty fast
02:56 NekoGloop I know the purpose to the item itself
02:56 NekoGloop I meant the name.
02:57 Sokomine maybe the high cost was to avoid having too many stations in the game. but that's just speculation
02:58 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Hmmm? Switching station is a little less technical.
02:58 NekoGloop no it's because you're not allowed to play the mod
02:58 NekoGloop ShadowNinja, "Energy Router" is a bit more upfront on what the node does, though ^^"
02:58 ShadowNinja Sandwich of the day?
02:59 ShadowNinja Yep.
02:59 NekoGloop It's pumpkins.
02:59 NekoGloop pumpkins are totally sandwiches, right?
02:59 NekoGloop Also: SHADOWNINJA Y U BREAK ALLOY FURNACES :3
02:59 ShadowNinja Although I have been discussing a rewrite with nore that would remove the need for a switching station.
03:00 VanessaE hm, I don't see your patch in the git log?
03:00 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: How are they broken?
03:00 NekoGloop As in I had 3 steel and 1 chromium in it and it just ate fuel doing nothing of note.
03:00 VanessaE powder or ingots?
03:00 NekoGloop ingots.
03:01 VanessaE doesn't it only work with powders (well, dust, whatever it's called)
03:01 VanessaE ?
03:01 NekoGloop I can't make the fucking powder without having stainless steel because hurpdurp switching station needs to be stupidly expensive.
03:01 ShadowNinja VanessaE: That file was reworked, there was no way to apply it over. And I want to keep it to one commit until I merge.
03:01 NekoGloop And it's coded to work with both.
03:01 VanessaE good point.
03:01 VanessaE oh ok
03:02 VanessaE well at least I'm current with technic HEAD now :)
03:02 ShadowNinja VanessaE: So you use the rewrite branch?
03:03 VanessaE ShadowNinja: see above.
03:03 NekoGloop Though: yay my not ridiculously expensive recipe's in :P
03:03 NekoGloop So, for as long as people still have to craft the thing, it's not stupidly difficult.
03:03 VanessaE there's only one branch on my copy, and it's up-to-date.  looks like you just merged the rewrite branch
03:03 ShadowNinja VanessaE: The HEAD comment? Or higher?
03:03 VanessaE just at HEAD.
03:04 NekoGloop Also, I'd really love it if the power could be supplied from other sides of the machines.
03:04 ShadowNinja HEAD == wherever you are == no specific branch.
03:04 NekoGloop Though "herpderp realizm" means the cord can only go in the least useful position
03:04 VanessaE technic main repo, master branch, HEAD.
03:04 ShadowNinja And I didn't merge it. At least not intentionally...
03:04 NekoGloop Especially considering I have to place the fucking cord after the machine.
03:05 VanessaE that's where I am right now.
03:05 VanessaE commit 97749578b09f4bb2e9c88d7be569e2c2b72bb881
03:05 NekoGloop again, because "herpderp realizm"
03:05 ShadowNinja Ok, so not on the rewrite branch.
03:07 ShadowNinja Well try it if you can. Although be careful of aliases, you may want to use it in a backup copied world.
03:07 VanessaE I'll wait until you guys push it through to the main repo.
03:08 NekoGloop And if the definition of minetest survival is "griefers allowed" then I'm not playing survival ^^"
03:09 VanessaE fuck no
03:09 VanessaE griefers will be ground into fine powder and fed to the sand monsters.
03:09 NekoGloop So that's why they drop 4 blocks of sand.
03:09 VanessaE heh
03:10 NekoGloop To be totally fair, this was more the person being a complete moron than griefing
03:12 NekoGloop Don't just randomly flip levers in other peoples houses
03:12 NekoGloop Should be common sense?
03:16 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Well I merged my rewrite of the IRC mod recently. Can I interest you in that?
03:16 NekoGloop Also, if my doors are barred by cobblestone, that means "Don't fucking come in here", right? ^^"
03:17 VanessaE I'll still wait :)
03:18 VanessaE (besides, that still needs a separate lib doesn't it?)
03:18 ShadowNinja VanessaE: What must I do to it to get you to install it? I may be able to use system libs instead of bundled...
03:18 ShadowNinja But I need luasocket for it to work.
03:19 ShadowNinja The only other lib is a Lua lib.
03:19 VanessaE there.  lua-socket is installed.
03:19 VanessaE what other externalities does it need?
03:20 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Nothing, everything is included. Just run git submodule update --init.
03:20 VanessaE erm?
03:21 ShadowNinja (README.txt has full instructions)
03:21 VanessaE readme?  er
03:21 VanessaE oh you mean on the separate IRC mod, duh
03:21 VanessaE I read that as "I merged my rewrite of the IRC mod into technic."
03:22 ShadowNinja Heh.
03:24 VanessaE ShadowNinja: this one?  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3905
03:24 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Yep, see this: https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc/blob/master/README.txt#L26
03:25 VanessaE ugh
03:25 VanessaE it still requires outside stuff
03:25 ShadowNinja And moretrees requires plants_lib...
03:26 VanessaE yeah but plants_lib doesn't have to be compiled :P
03:26 * NekoGloop curls up on VanessaE's head
03:26 ShadowNinja It is all included and takes all of 2 seconds to compile.
03:28 VanessaE ok, it's built.
03:29 ShadowNinja Check config.lua for the minetest.conf settings.
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03:30 jojoa1997 VanessaE you there?
03:30 VanessaE hi.
03:31 jojoa1997 Can I have interact on your survival server
03:31 VanessaE you already do.
03:31 VanessaE all privs were copied over.
03:31 jojoa1997 Cool
03:32 VanessaE accounts are the same too, so use your same passwd
03:32 jojoa1997 Ok
03:32 jojoa1997 So you finally made a survival server
03:34 NekoGloop And I'm the first one to lose things because of others
03:35 jojoa1997 What do you mean
03:35 kaeza pong?
03:35 jojoa1997 Kaeza: ping
03:35 NekoGloop Rancon was an idiot and destroyed my lava source.
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03:37 VanessaE IRC mod is now online on the creative server.  ##vanessae-servers'
03:37 VanessaE -'
03:37 VanessaE happy now? :)
03:37 VanessaE the survival server will follow at the next restart
03:39 ShadowNinja Well I would prefer if you used the channel I specified. But yes. :-)
03:40 jojoa1997 Yea I am
03:40 VanessaE jojoa1997: link to the skin plz? :)
03:40 kaeza well, the intention was to "link" several servers together at least in chat :P
03:41 jojoa1997 Done
03:41 ShadowNinja ^ I want to be able to comunicate between our servers.
03:41 jojoa1997 Anyone wanna see my skin
03:41 VanessaE ok, so they
03:41 VanessaE ok, so they'll remain in one channel then.
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06:47 xiong One would like to have some choices in ingame chat.
06:48 xiong There should be multiple channels *per server* so that kiddies can babble and whine in one while adults transact business in another.
06:49 xiong It should be possible to lock channels, to grant access. I suggest avoiding the complexity of named channels a la IRC. Channels 0-9 is quite sufficient.
06:50 xiong A standard scheme should provide ch0 as default, ch8 as admin-only, and ch9 as any kind of inter-server band.
06:51 xiong Don't make switching channels difficult. Shift-0, Shift-1, etc. should be enough.
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13:06 dhbiker hi there
13:06 dhbiker what are the future plans for minetest ?
13:06 Calinou dhbiker: http://dev.minetest.net/TODO
13:07 dhbiker ty kind sir
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13:27 dhbiker Calinou: what about new crafting recipies ?
13:27 Calinou for what?
13:27 Calinou probably not
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13:27 jojoa1997 can you guys help me
13:28 jojoa1997 wrong channel
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13:29 dhbiker Calinou: so it's just a pure building sandbox game
13:29 dhbiker ?
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13:31 Calinou building/survival
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13:51 DanDuncombe VanessaE, can you please update the camo mod on your server? Also, can you please re-enable landmines?
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13:52 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
13:53 PenguinDad hi PilzAdam
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14:27 MinetestBot GIT: xyzz commited to minetest/minetest: Add a setting for HighPrecisionFPU (fixes #763). d05b15df77 2013-08-25T07:25:01-07:00 http://git.io/jmixnw
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14:51 UniversalBuilder Yo
14:56 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Run util/updatepo.sh 4679455c3f 2013-08-25T07:54:50-07:00 http://git.io/nYHjsw
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15:16 Jordach BlockMen: <3 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107392#p107392
15:17 Jordach no shadowbot
15:18 hmmmm heh, PilzAdam, https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/36270769#p36274336
15:18 hmmmm i guess minetest has been "rediscovered" by /g/
15:18 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107415#p107415
15:19 Calinou yet another "make mods for me" guy
15:19 hmmmm yeah, i can't stand idea guys
15:19 hmmmm but then again, my motto is "talk is cheap, show me the code"
15:21 Jordach hmmmm: https://boards.4chan.org/g/res/36270769#p36275113
15:21 hmmmm lol
15:24 Jordach PilzAdam: you changed the topic, well done
15:31 * Jordach starts work on controlable fingers in blender
15:32 * Jordach thought pavel_s was good
15:35 * Jordach starts with prototype bones
15:36 BlockMen Jordach, just fits perfect. doesnt it?
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15:45 rubenwardy Hi all!
15:45 progers Hi
15:46 Jordach BlockMen: yeah
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15:55 sapier https://github.com/sapier/animals_modpack/wiki/Mobs can someone give feedback if documentation like this is usefull?
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16:03 Jordach you need separate pages
16:03 Jordach it's difficult to handle too many tables
16:04 sapier yes that's why I edit in wikimedia github mediawiki editor is a pain
16:05 sapier but different pages for each mob would be an option too yes ... I just don't like pages only containing links that much
16:06 sapier what do you think about the shord description description interaction thing?
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16:09 Jordach sapier: slow down
16:09 Jordach you're going too fast :P
16:09 sapier :-)
16:10 kahrl perhaps instead of the page containing only links you could make a page that contains all the descriptions
16:11 kahrl since each description contains the name of the animal you can link it
16:11 sapier you mean duplicate the description?
16:12 kahrl I guess you could put <onlyinclude>description here...</onlyinclude> in the animal pages, then transclude them
16:12 sapier ? sorry didn't get it
16:12 kahrl is that wiki compliant to mediawiki syntax?
16:13 sapier syntax yes editor no
16:13 kahrl you have to edit the source code then, if that is possible
16:13 sapier but not sure what mediawiki syntax level ... at least everything I tried does work, but I only used basic things
16:15 thexyz I'm sure github doesn't support this
16:15 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix aliases not working in shapeless crafting recipes fead7a27ca 2013-08-25T09:14:26-07:00 http://git.io/9SLjuw
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16:15 sapier ahh now I understand .. I didn't even know about that feature :-) I'll try
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16:27 sapier sadly that transclusion doesn't seem to be supported on github
16:30 * NekoGloop gives sapier a kitten :3
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16:33 PenguinDad NekoGloop: https://github.com/GloopMaster/glooptest/commit/8aec06b1f0eeaeccfb2c86d9692a2f2922b394ef#commitcomment-3938357
16:33 john_minetest Hello everypony and anybody else.
16:33 PenguinDad hi john_minetest
16:33 PilzAdam NekoGloop, max_drop_level has not effect on anything by default
16:33 NekoGloop So... how do make mine obsidian
16:34 PilzAdam it can be used by mods, but AFAIK none uses it
16:34 PilzAdam see what PenguinDad said
16:35 NekoGloop But obsidian is level=1, shouldn't something with maxlevel=1 be able to mine it?
16:35 PilzAdam yes
16:35 NekoGloop So then why can't my arol pickaxe mine obsidian?
16:35 PilzAdam because obsidian is level=2
16:35 Evergreen lol
16:36 PenguinDad :D
16:36 NekoGloop ... ?
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16:37 PenguinDad NekoGloop: maxlevel=2 is the solution
16:37 NekoGloop ... oh.
16:37 NekoGloop coulda swore that said level=1
16:38 PilzAdam if you increase maxlevel everything else will be mined faster
16:38 PilzAdam "everything else" == everything with level=0
16:38 NekoGloop Gotcha
16:38 NekoGloop How much faster?
16:40 NekoGloop Also, why did you derps remove fleshy from sworddefs?
16:40 PilzAdam uses increases by 3^leveldiff, where leveldiff is 2 in this case
16:41 NekoGloop The point of Arol is tons of uses (see: uses=300)
16:42 NekoGloop Now, I ask again: why can't a sword be used to mine fleshy nodes anymore?
16:42 PilzAdam fleshy was only used for entities, so we removed it when switching to the new damage system
16:43 sapier ANOTHER  new damage system????
16:43 Evergreen Unless you wanted to make some kind of node mob.  :P
16:43 NekoGloop sapier, no, he's talking about the current one
16:43 sapier ohhh the new one already added
16:44 NekoGloop PilzAdam, but, still, fleshy was still valid for nodes, yes?
16:44 sapier puuhhhh ... I was frightened ..
16:44 PilzAdam sapier, 1) rage, 2) think
16:44 PilzAdam always this order
16:44 PilzAdam :-p
16:44 sapier of course in 90% of cases this order matches ;-P
16:45 sapier by the way could someone please fix that damn problem you can't punch something without puncher problem?
16:45 PilzAdam hm?
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16:46 sapier you can't do group based area damage as minetest crashes as you call punch without a puncher
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16:46 PenguinDad Fun Fact: the only fleshy node in default is the apple
16:46 PilzAdam wasnt that fixed, sapier?
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16:46 sapier guess there are a lot of worms in there
16:46 sapier I thought so too pa but it seems to be still in
16:46 PilzAdam havent _you_ fixed that?
16:47 NekoGloop Can we just please re-add the fleshy dig definitions for default swords? :P
16:47 sapier I thought so but I can't remember if that fix was ever merged
16:47 dhbiker hi there ... where do texture packs on linux go ?
16:47 PenguinDad and then re-remove :P
16:47 NekoGloop I can understand cutting out choppy, but fleshy is still something for swords.
16:47 PilzAdam dhbiker, on a system-wide installation?
16:48 dhbiker PilzAdam: yes
16:48 NekoGloop heh. cutting out choppy. unintentional pun.
16:48 PilzAdam dhbiker, what Minetest version?
16:48 dhbiker 0.4.7
16:49 PilzAdam place all the texture files in ~/.minetest/textures/all/
16:49 PilzAdam without subfolders
16:50 PilzAdam sapier, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/55a97f4605a263f4b670b447cd4af9ffa1a8d472
16:50 sapier hmm ok so the c++ part is still in
16:51 dhbiker PilzAdam: should it change directly or do i have to do it somewhere ?
16:51 PilzAdam dhbiker, what do you mean?
16:51 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Add support for using textures in hotbar 439079cad8 2013-08-25T09:49:10-07:00 http://git.io/dmGtYg
16:51 sapier I guess I need to do some additional investigations why this started to fail again
16:51 dhbiker PilzAdam: still have the default one
16:52 NekoGloop Oooo, now we can put textures on the hotbar?
16:52 PenguinDad dhbiker: which texture pack?
16:52 PilzAdam dhbiker, it should work if you put the textures in there
16:53 dhbiker well i had to make the folders
16:53 dhbiker they didn't exist there
16:53 PilzAdam yes, thats normal
16:53 dhbiker PenguinDad: MineToon
16:54 PilzAdam are you sure that the .png files are directly in all/?
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16:54 PilzAdam IIRC MineToon copies the whole minetest_game, you need to get the textures from the sub-folders by hand
16:55 dhbiker oh.
16:55 nore PilzAdam, no it won't work since this is with texture pack selection...
16:55 PilzAdam nore, ehm, <dhbiker> 0.4.7
16:55 PenguinDad nore: he has stable minetest
16:56 nore ok, I saw a question about textures in hotbar and I thought in was related
16:56 nore sorry
16:56 john_minetest Hi Zeg9!
16:56 Zeg9 Hey :D
16:56 nore s/in/it
16:56 NekoGloop nore, that was me
16:56 nore hi
16:56 dhbiker ah
16:56 dhbiker sorry my bad
16:56 dhbiker works now
16:56 PilzAdam nice
16:56 dhbiker thanks for the help
16:56 NekoGloop nore, does that do what I think it does?
16:56 Zeg9 Hi nore
16:57 PenguinDad NekoGloop: ask BlockMen
16:57 PilzAdam NekoGloop, yes, it does
16:57 nore IIRC, BlockMen's pull allowed to change the textures of the hotbar
16:57 NekoGloop Yay
16:57 NekoGloop We need some default GUI images and hotbar images now! :D
16:58 NekoGloop Meh, I have to wait for a build though :P
16:58 BlockMen I will make a new build later
16:58 NekoGloop Oh, we can change the crosshair?
16:58 NekoGloop Did not know that.
16:59 NekoGloop BlockMen, does it work nicely with scaling larger/smaller images than what it's expecting?
17:00 BlockMen smaller looks ugly on large screen (ofc), but yeah, it scales them
17:00 NekoGloop Ok.
17:04 NekoGloop I'm gonna mess with crosshairs now :D
17:04 dhbiker stack limit 99 ?
17:04 NekoGloop that's the standard stack limit, yes.
17:04 dhbiker nice
17:04 PilzAdam NekoGloop, Id like a "<-- Dig here" texture
17:05 NekoGloop hehe
17:06 NekoGloop Ooooo, transparency works...
17:06 VanessaE hi all
17:06 BlockMen PilzAdam, add to Pilztest :P
17:06 dhbiker i like the fact that you don't need a crafting table
17:07 NekoGloop Welcome, minecrafter! :P
17:07 dhbiker why thank you
17:07 dhbiker just visiting
17:07 dhbiker if i like it i might fiddle with it too
17:07 dhbiker :P
17:09 VanessaE do.  you'll like it :)
17:09 NekoGloop Aw, texture pack crosshairs don't do the inverting thing
17:10 VanessaE once you get used to how Minetest operates, you may find you like it better.
17:10 dhbiker we will see
17:10 dhbiker i'll hang around in the mean time
17:10 dhbiker if it's not a problem
17:10 NekoGloop I still wish climbable worked on full nodes.
17:11 VanessaE dhbiker: sure, hang around if you like.  Fair warning, there are a few minecraft haters in here, so don't feel offended.
17:11 NekoGloop "a few"
17:11 VanessaE dhbiker: no stealing of our ideas either ;)
17:11 NekoGloop Yeah, don't go putting kalite in minecraft.
17:11 NekoGloop :P
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17:12 dhbiker VanessaE: no worries i'm usually a huge troll... so i don't get offended
17:12 VanessaE haha
17:12 VanessaE ok
17:12 dhbiker :D
17:12 VanessaE wow, the irc channel for my servers is really hopping today
17:13 NekoGloop I still need to make glooptest gem blocks
17:13 * dhbiker is trying to be a normal non trolling human today
17:13 NekoGloop and maybe alter the spawn rate on the gems
17:13 VanessaE too frequent?
17:13 NekoGloop Nah
17:13 * krofek thinks that dhbiker's no troll behaviur is not possible.
17:13 * dhbiker kills krofek with an enormous christmas tree
17:13 NekoGloop I have them in sections.
17:14 dhbiker krofek none of your business
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17:14 dhbiker :P
17:14 NekoGloop Ruby is from a certain height to another
17:14 krofek dhbiker go dhbiking
17:14 NekoGloop Sapphire is from that height to another
17:14 NekoGloop What I need to do is make these chunks larger :P
17:15 dhbiker krofek i wish i could perfect weather today :'(
17:15 NekoGloop Oh, wait, that's not exactly how I did it, but you get the point
17:15 krofek whats wrong with it? free showers everywhere.
17:15 krofek whatcha think?
17:20 krofek what's the size of chunks?
17:20 PilzAdam what do you mean by "chunk"?
17:20 krofek no chunks?
17:20 krofek even better :D
17:21 dhbiker furnace is a bit laggy/buggy i see
17:21 PilzAdam the map consists of 16x16x16 blocks of nodes, these are called MapBlocks
17:21 dhbiker or is it just me
17:21 krofek it is lilbit buggy
17:21 krofek ty PilzAdam
17:21 PilzAdam the map generator always produces 5x5x5 MapBlocks, so 80x80x80 nodes
17:21 krofek whats the y limit?
17:21 PilzAdam (in one step, that is)
17:22 NekoGloop dhbiker, it's a tad laggy. Most node-based interfaces are.
17:22 PilzAdam something arround 31000 upwards, and 31000 downwards
17:22 krofek omfg thats awesome :)
17:23 dhbiker NekoGloop: yeah.. but i'm sure there is room for improvement
17:23 Evergreen However, the same goes for x and z
17:24 NekoGloop VanessaE, http://i.imgur.com/8yAuIAJ.png ruby blocks? :D
17:25 VanessaE hey that's not bad.  a little too light though
17:25 VanessaE make the color deeper
17:25 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/nJi2mu9.png for comparison, the ruby.
17:25 VanessaE that's good too, again it needs to be deeper/darker.
17:26 VanessaE I like the pattern/style
17:26 NekoGloop It's supposed to be shiny :P
17:26 dhbiker how do you increase hears / health
17:26 dhbiker hearts*
17:26 NekoGloop And yes, you get a perfectly cut ruby by mining it from stone.
17:26 NekoGloop dhbiker, apples
17:26 NekoGloop left click with one
17:27 dhbiker oh.
17:27 NekoGloop (just going to assume you're playing without any mods. so boring.)
17:27 dhbiker just testing out atm ye
17:27 dhbiker s
17:30 NekoGloop PilzAdam, GRRRR. You removed the bendy group from steel blocks!
17:32 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: Bend a steel block and maybe he will add it back. ;-)
17:32 PenguinDad xD
17:33 dhbiker http://shrani.si/f/31/Cd/2NBICeNY/screenshot.png
17:33 NekoGloop No wonder people are calling my hammers useless.
17:33 dhbiker this is normal ? :D
17:33 NekoGloop It's because you people are MAKING them useless.
17:35 PilzAdam NekoGloop, it wasnt used
17:36 NekoGloop Like HELL it wasn't!
17:36 NekoGloop I was using it.
17:36 sapier https://github.com/sapier/animals_modpack/wiki/Mobs what do you think about sorting it this way?
17:37 dhbiker no minecarts ? :'(
17:37 PilzAdam fishes are not animals?
17:37 BlockMen NekoGloop, new build -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=102552
17:37 PilzAdam dhbiker, try my "Carts" mod
17:37 sapier yea I know ;-) I needed to split that page ;-)
17:38 dhbiker PilzAdam: oh... just wondering how the rail mechanics work
17:38 dhbiker :D
17:38 sapier better? ;-)
17:41 dhbiker PilzAdam: are they rideable yet ?
17:41 PilzAdam yes
17:41 PenguinDad right click the cart
17:41 dhbiker first i have to figure out how to install this
17:42 sapier shbiker you can try monorail too there are even transport carts supported
17:44 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/RqFph4T.png Gem blocks~
17:45 NekoGloop And yes, they're all edited diamond blocks
17:49 NekoGloop VanessaE, ^
17:49 VanessaE bbl
17:50 NekoGloop Well fine then. :P
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17:53 VanessaE ignore that ^^^
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18:00 NekoGloop VanessaE, update glooptest while you're at it?
18:00 VanessaE too late :P
18:00 VanessaE I'll grab it next time around
18:01 * dhbiker turns offPenguin on
18:01 dhbiker Onpenguin
18:04 NekoGloop rawr this is taking forever
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18:17 LinuxGuy2020 I cant get a lan game to work with 0.4.7 source code build. I selected the server tab on one machine and client on another. Is that correct?
18:22 PilzAdam LinuxGuy2020, yea that should work
18:23 PilzAdam enter the IP of the server in the Client tab
18:23 PilzAdam make sure to set the same port on both
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18:25 LinuxGuy2020 they are both set to port 30000 is that ok?
18:25 PilzAdam yes
18:26 jojoa1997 so
18:26 jojoa1997 when does anyone think biomes will be added
18:27 LinuxGuy2020 The laptop here wont connect to the desktop pc. Desktop pc was started on the server tab. Th elaptop started in client tab, it shows the local ip:port. I select and hit connect and it starts loading gets to the connecting to server and just sits there.
18:27 jojoa1997 (i mean definable via lua and for MGV7)
18:27 PilzAdam LinuxGuy2020, can you ping the IP of the server?
18:27 LinuxGuy2020 not sure how to do that in debian
18:28 PilzAdam open a console and type: ping ip
18:28 VanessaE ping foo.bar.baz.blah
18:28 LinuxGuy2020 ok
18:29 * dhbiker pings VanessaE
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18:29 Calinou check the PCs' internal IPs
18:29 Calinou "ifconfig"
18:30 VanessaE pong.
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18:33 NekoGloop Oopsies.
18:33 LinuxGuy2020 Got it guys thanks
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18:33 NekoGloop Let's -not- open two instances of hexchat
18:33 * VanessaE waits for DanDuncombe to show up again...
18:34 krofek NekoGloop why not? open 10 :P
18:34 NekoGloop The 4th one onward wouldn't know what to try to login as
18:34 NekoGloop :P
18:35 dhbiker NekoGloop: hexchat ? what distro do you use ?
18:35 krofek rand(); :P
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18:35 thexyz dhbiker: the proprietary one, I'm sure
18:35 NekoGloop windows. 8.
18:35 dhbiker oh :/
18:35 dhbiker thought you're running linux
18:36 krofek he's using highly optimized win8
18:36 krofek and very user friendly
18:36 dhbiker you mean the not metro interface ? :D
18:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: [08-25 14:36] <NekoGloop> What's with those underground witch-like things?   [08-25 14:36] <NekoGloop> It has this cloak thing
18:36 VanessaE oerkki?  slenderman?
18:36 PilzAdam wut?
18:37 VanessaE (I'm not up-to-date on what the hostile mobs are)
18:37 NekoGloop They just walk in one direction
18:37 VanessaE well it's either yours, or maybe they're those camo NPCs from Dan's mod
18:37 NekoGloop until they run into a wall in which case they do nothing
18:37 dhbiker lol
18:37 dhbiker AI at it's best :D
18:37 VanessaE neko, screenshot?
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18:38 NekoGloop I have to find one of them again :P
18:38 Peacock ceiling cat is watching you fap
18:38 krofek XD
18:39 NekoGloop He records it too. I have the job of records-keeper.
18:39 Peacock no, the nsa records your fap sessions
18:39 Peacock and they have an index of your stash XD
18:40 Peacock btw, keeping it in /windows is fooling no one :P
18:41 dhbiker haha
18:41 Peacock (ive repaired enough computers to know lol)
18:41 dhbiker interesting
18:41 dhbiker never looked in there
18:41 NekoGloop Keep it in my documents/creepypasta
18:42 Peacock lol anyways, i has a dilemma, after running geolocate script on my banlist, i figured i have 3 options
18:42 Peacock 1) ban the 2-3 problem countries
18:42 Peacock 2) go to whitelist only
18:42 Peacock 3) create a freebuild zone/country to pen in new players
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18:44 VanessaE whitelist.
18:44 VanessaE it takes more of your time, but it results in fewer headaches.
18:45 Evergreen And less griefing.  :P
18:46 dhbiker grief grief grief.
18:46 Evergreen No grief since the logo skyblock server started (because only trusted people, devs, moderaters, etc were allowed on)
18:46 Evergreen Including me!   yay
18:46 dhbiker booo
18:47 VanessaE minetest needs a "nodamage" priv for admins :P
18:47 Peacock whitelist is essentially the same as granting /denying interact though, people can ask for both, and if they get it, then you gotta cross your fingers
18:47 VanessaE exactly
18:47 VanessaE but they still have to ask for it
18:47 Evergreen But honestly, it is really nice to just throw diamonds in an unlocked chest
18:47 VanessaE griefers are unlikely to ask, especially if you make them jump through some hoops like requiring a forum account
18:47 Evergreen and not have to wory about them getting stolen
18:48 VanessaE you still get a few of course
18:48 VanessaE but it really cuts down on the incidents.
18:48 Peacock well the third option, id create a large enough freebuild country (it wouldn't be the whole map in freebuild with some exceptions anymore)
18:48 Evergreen Actually, the reason the logo skyblock server works so well is that no one knows the IP except the people who were already on
18:49 Evergreen and those people are definitely not giving away the IP
18:49 Peacock well thats if you wanna run a server like a five-star restaurant (no sign, no phonebook listing, guards on the roof shooting people as they try to get in, etc.)
18:50 Peacock i could modify flolands to create the freebuild islands
18:50 Peacock except using default materials
18:54 Peacock or heck maybe even a freebuild realm using a modified moonrealms
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18:57 VanessaE kahrl: still no http fetch?  remote_media is calling my name, loudly..... :)
18:58 Peacock hearing voices, are you? :P
18:58 Peacock thats allright, i always hear the phone ring when its not *forever alone* :P
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19:10 hoodedice So...
19:11 hoodedice ...silent.
19:11 kahrl soylent
19:12 PenguinDad soilent
19:12 hoodedice Peacock
19:12 hoodedice P*nothing*
19:13 Peacock sup
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19:13 hoodedice I thought I forgot my ass
19:13 hoodedice lol
19:13 hoodedice *pass
19:14 Peacock lol
19:14 Peacock always check that you still have your ass :P
19:14 hoodedice server is superfast today
19:14 Peacock did a little griefer-pruning lol
19:15 Peacock also getting ready to implement my own final solution XD
19:15 Peacock im gonna cage 'em in to a freebuild country, the rest will be no-man's-land
19:16 * VanessaE pokes kahrl with an http fetch request ;)
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19:16 hoodedice freebuild country?
19:16 * kahrl fetches the http
19:16 hoodedice I always think transparent prisons are the best
19:17 Peacock well its like that two level interact idea people floated a few days ago
19:17 Peacock except untrusted players could only build in the freebuild country
19:18 hoodedice hmm
19:18 hoodedice But you are allowing them to build?
19:18 Peacock only in that area, as opposed to most of the map (unprotected space)
19:19 Peacock essentially trusted players would still own their corners of the map, untrusted players wouldn't be able to lay crap everywhere around it though
19:19 hoodedice hmm
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19:20 Peacock cuz its either that, or i start banning whole (real) countries under the current scheme lol
19:20 hoodedice =)
19:20 hoodedice griefing should be a real crime
19:20 hoodedice =)
19:20 Peacock lol
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19:21 VanessaE you can probably limit your bans to just /16
19:21 VanessaE no need to ban whole countries
19:21 Peacock well after running my geolocate script on the banlist, i quickly figured Brazil was my #1 source of griefers
19:22 Peacock and i dont think i have any legitimate players from there
19:22 hoodedice I played GRID online with some brazilians once
19:22 hoodedice Russians were less agressive
19:22 hoodedice (hoodedice, you are racist)
19:23 Peacock lol
19:23 Peacock since when did people start confusing nationality for racism lol
19:23 VanessaE but how many ISPs did that represent?
19:23 Peacock its a lot of ipranges i downloaded the list lol which is why im considering other options too
19:23 hoodedice Well, it is racist
19:23 hoodedice Uh, sorry
19:24 hoodedice Discriminatory
19:24 Peacock well yeah thats why i figured giving new players a "pen" to play in might be less discriminatory than going with a purely statistical solution
19:24 VanessaE it's neither racist nor discriminatory if a group of people really do behave, statistically, worse than another group
19:24 VanessaE it's profiling then. :)
19:25 Peacock cops get in trouble for that but you can hardly blame them if it works lol
19:25 hoodedice if profiling is a 'bad' thing
19:25 hoodedice I agree
19:26 VanessaE nothing wrong with profiling if it preserves human rights and freedoms better than the alternatives.
19:26 VanessaE (see Israel's method of screening out harmful elements from flights vs. the USA's methods)
19:26 VanessaE (read:  Israel does it better)
19:26 Peacock cuz on the one hand, you got countries and groups each with their own culture, but on the other, they dont want authorities relying on those cultural norms to make arrests
19:27 Peacock so either you go with the melting pot approach of assimilating people, or you let them have their cultures and be aware of it too
19:27 hoodedice Ya I remember that
19:28 hoodedice airport checking thingy
19:28 Peacock well it goes beyond airports, i worked in a convenience store for 3 years, but after two weeks you know who to look out for lol
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19:30 VanessaE I'll never fly again until the airlines get it through their thick, collective skulls that those scanning machines are a horrible, egregious violation of peoples' privacy.
19:30 VanessaE (and pat-downs are just as much so)
19:31 Peacock if someone wants to feel me up i usually tell them to buy me dinner and a movie first lol they usually back-off totally creeped out :P
19:31 VanessaE lol
19:31 Peacock they like doing it so long as the other person hates having it done to them :P
19:31 VanessaE they'll find out just how dirty my mind can get if they try :D
19:33 Peacock i'd do like dale gribble, wear a thong for the airport staff :P
19:33 Peacock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oai1V7kaFBk
19:34 NekoGloop HEh
19:34 NekoGloop Don't wear enough to hide anything
19:34 Peacock in any case youll never catch me in one of those flying tin cans
19:34 VanessaE I'll do you one better and wear something like this:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/181199568340
19:34 VanessaE :D
19:35 VanessaE and then remind them that all of the goods are already spoken for :D
19:35 NekoGloop "Does it look like I could possibly hide anything in this?"
19:36 sapier1 does anyone know a good service for hosting images to be used in github wiki?
19:36 thexyz "don't fly during ramadan"
19:36 thexyz sapier1: github?
19:36 VanessaE sapier1: imgur?
19:36 VanessaE or just through github
19:36 sapier1 you can host images on github?
19:36 VanessaE sure, but they don't like you to do that I don't think
19:36 thexyz (if somebody missed it: http://varnull.adityamukerjee.net/post/59021412512/dont-fly-during-ramadan)
19:36 NekoGloop you can host any files on there
19:36 thexyz sapier1: it works for comments
19:36 Peacock it was on slashdot too
19:37 sapier1 they don't even provide a upload image for their wiki and tell "you can host it everywhere" (but not her on github)
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19:39 BlockMen BetterHUD uses new hotbar textures support now :) -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107456#p107456
19:40 Peacock though the guy from the article apparently tested positive for certain chemicals so... lol
19:41 Calinou BlockMen tested positive for bread icons
19:43 Evergreen Oh, so now that there is hotbar texturing capabilities....
19:43 Peacock no https://cdn1.iconfinder.com/data/icons/pidginsmilies/poop.png icons?
19:43 Evergreen Can someone give me a template texture for the hotbar and hotbar_selected?
19:43 Peacock make the toilets useful
19:43 * Evergreen opens gimp
19:43 BlockMen Calinou, wut?
19:44 Peacock lol
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19:44 BlockMen Evergreen, take those from pull request or from my mod?
19:45 Evergreen It appears there isn't a "default" hotbar texture, so I don't have a default sized template
19:45 Evergreen What size do they need to be?
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19:46 * Evergreen thinks lots of texture pack creators will be happy about this
19:48 BlockMen Evergreen, idk the exact size now.
19:48 BlockMen i made the textures for the largest scales case, so item size = 64px
19:49 BlockMen but the images are scaled to hotbar size, so you can use any size
19:49 Evergreen Okay, I'll try testing this a bit
19:50 BlockMen Evergreen, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/849
19:53 john_minetest lol, there are 4 different people doing minetest builds on the forum.
19:55 john_minetest only sfan5's builds say "git" so I take these.
19:55 * sfan5 throws a kitten at john_minetest
19:56 * john_minetest catches the kitten and puts it on NekoGloop's head.
19:57 sfan5 new minetest build compiling...
19:57 NekoGloop mew
19:57 john_minetest NekoGloop has all the kittens.
19:59 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107461#p107461
20:00 Calinou "Please give us the option to change locale manually instead of imposing one automatically like an oppressive government."
20:00 Calinou lol'd
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20:00 * Peacock dispatches Minetest Shock Troopers
20:01 Peacock with an AOL cd
20:01 PenguinDad plol'd
20:01 john_minetest AOL CDs...
20:01 john_minetest Oh, I remember those well.
20:01 Calinou oh I remember them
20:01 Peacock nice coasters
20:01 Calinou lol, we said the same thing
20:01 john_minetest In every shop at the counter: AOL cds.
20:02 Peacock i think it scarred many people for a decade or two lol
20:02 john_minetest They became more and more desperate. Doubled the "free hours" every few weeks xD
20:02 Peacock in Canada we had Compuserve lol
20:02 Peacock which was another walled-in network
20:02 john_minetest 50, 100, 150... Some day it was something like 500 or 1000.
20:03 Peacock but who the fuck pays by the hour? lol
20:03 john_minetest Paying by the hour can be nice.
20:03 Peacock was bad enough using internet tied up the phone lines back then
20:03 sfan5 >can
20:03 john_minetest Imagine you being online 7 hours per day.
20:03 Calinou paying by the hour is quite bad
20:03 Calinou unlimited bandwidth ftw
20:04 sfan5 new minetest build!
20:04 john_minetest 0.10 euros per hour.
20:04 john_minetest then you got 19 euros in the end to pay.
20:04 john_minetest That's the normal low-quality internet price.
20:05 john_minetest I think I pay more for my flatrate.
20:05 Peacock i pay something like 45$ cdn and i dont have to keep an eye on bandwidth
20:06 Calinou I pay 30 euros/month for 4.7/0.3Mb internet, phone, and TV (which I can't use...)
20:06 john_minetest I pay something like 24€ for a flatrate that is stupid.
20:06 Calinou even if I could use it, I wouldn't
20:06 john_minetest well, phone is included, too, iirc.
20:06 Peacock my speeds are a bit higher at 6 for d/l
20:06 Peacock i dont have a home phone lol
20:06 john_minetest I mostly have 230 KB/s with lan cable and similar speeds with wlan
20:06 Peacock or cable hookup
20:07 john_minetest I haven't got a mobile phone.
20:07 Calinou same
20:07 * Calinou brohooves john_minetest
20:07 john_minetest I have to use the 8 years old one that is actually my mother's phone.
20:07 Peacock well its plain logic for me, i can't take the home phone with me, and it costs the same, so i got mobile lol
20:07 * john_minetest brohooves Calinou
20:07 Calinou /)(^ε^)(\
20:08 Peacock they keep trying to sell me these bundled packages where you save at most five bucks lol
20:08 Peacock but then you're fucked if they increase the rates on any of the services
20:08 john_minetest It is so horrible how kids that are barely in school get 500-euro iPhones and run around with macBooks...
20:08 john_minetest When I was in their age, it was cool to have a mobile phone at all.
20:09 Calinou an iPhone isn't 500 euros
20:09 john_minetest And a few years later, the cool kids had a "Sony ericson"
20:09 Calinou the latest one is ~680 euros
20:09 Calinou and that's the 16GB one :P
20:09 Peacock why do you think i dont want kids? lol
20:09 john_minetest Calinou: Yeah, I don't know the exact prices. I would never buy such a thing.
20:09 Peacock its iphones and laptops today, imagine in ten years
20:09 Calinou people give up repairability for convenience and swag, fact
20:10 iqualfragile i hate it when people put "fact" into their sentences to proove that they are facts
20:10 john_minetest My laptop (2.2 GHz dualcore, 0.5 GB GPU, 4 GB RAM, 500 GB HDD, 17') which was one of the latest thing on market was about 630€.
20:10 Calinou my girlfriend drew this, don't upvote
20:11 Calinou "0.5 GB GPU" that doesn't make performance of a GPU
20:11 Peacock growing up i was the only kid i knew who actually bought his own computer, spent a summer washing trucks for it too lol
20:11 Peacock back then a cheapo model was 2k$
20:11 john_minetest Calinou: Of course not, but it is in all the magazines. The more the better, no matter how performant xD
20:12 john_minetest I can still remember where the cheap laptops were 999,99€.
20:12 Peacock ugh
20:12 Peacock my first laptop was actually my sister's when she went to uni
20:12 Calinou laptops are still pretty expensive these days
20:12 john_minetest Those singlecore, mini-display thingies that are slower than an "eee"
20:12 Calinou /decent/ laptops
20:12 Peacock parents bought it for christmas, she started six months later, it was already "not powerful enough"
20:13 Calinou and have bad warranty
20:13 Calinou 1 year by default, and you gotta pay money for 2 or 3 years...
20:13 john_minetest My laptop runs quite well.
20:13 Peacock it had a 400mb hard drive, and a 28K modem lol
20:13 Peacock and the screen was the size of today's netbooks lol
20:13 john_minetest It is old, of course, but it is still my fastest computer :D
20:14 john_minetest I thought about buying such an eee thingie.
20:14 john_minetest Those are cheap. But then I decided to buy a second-hand thinkpad, which is now broken. Noh.
20:15 Peacock thats what i hate about laptops, when they break, thats it
20:15 john_minetest <random> if you type "noh" one letter to the left, you write "big" </random>
20:15 Peacock unless you have the patience for all those tiny screws and parts, which i dont
20:16 john_minetest The best laptop I have ever taken apart was an old medion. But the wlan switch was only supported by windows. crap.
20:16 john_minetest I realized that after having spent 3 hours with installing and configuring Linux...
20:16 kahrl gotta love minetest's non-centralized login system
20:17 * Calinou installed xubuntu 13.04 64 bit on some old PC with a 8600GT and athlon 6
20:17 Calinou 64*
20:17 kahrl nobody can log into MC right now :P
20:17 Calinou worked fine, even nouveau works on it, lol
20:17 Calinou used to have rendering issues on log in screen, fixed by updating kernel
20:17 Calinou kahrl: same thing applies to skins and such :P
20:17 john_minetest Lol, thought about one hour ago "Hey, I want to play minetest. I'll join some server now.". Made the error of joining VanessaE's server...
20:18 VanessaE which one?
20:18 john_minetest still loading media.
20:18 john_minetest The survival one.
20:18 VanessaE kahrl: http_fetch :(
20:18 kahrl VanessaE: working on it
20:18 VanessaE (insert random harrassment here)
20:18 Calinou VanessaE's server is creative...
20:18 Peacock nouveau lol well its a tiny bit better than before, the latest imagediscs actually load lol
20:18 VanessaE Calinou: I have two.
20:18 Calinou kahrl: you're making a simple HTTP server for minetest?
20:18 john_minetest darkhttpd is simple!
20:18 Calinou Peacock: it's enough if you don't play games
20:19 Peacock well for me just getting past boot on the newer computer was an issue with most live images
20:19 kahrl Calinou: nope just fixing problem with media download via curl
20:19 kahrl and making curl accessible from lua
20:19 kahrl +s
20:19 Calinou you could use nomodeset anyway
20:20 Peacock tried it
20:20 john_minetest The ONLY problem I have got with old computers is that they compile a bit slow and that some... DON'T SUPPORT GL D:< ...!
20:20 Peacock and many other ideas lol
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20:20 thexyz kahrl: and don't forget about sha1 filenames, please
20:21 thexyz also, will we have multiple remote media servers?
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20:21 Calinou john_minetest: "a bit" slow, heh
20:22 john_minetest half an hour for minetest, about 3 hours for linux.
20:22 kahrl thexyz, -> #dev
20:23 john_minetest I have got 2 computers so I can do cool stuff while it is compiling.
20:23 Calinou half an hour is very long
20:23 Calinou takes ~1 minute to compile for me with 8 threads
20:23 Calinou a bit more
20:24 john_minetest Anyways it doesn't support GL.
20:24 john_minetest Of course I have a cross-compiler installed but so many people provide windows builds so I don't need it.
20:25 Calinou I never compile for windows
20:25 john_minetest (My equipment: 1 linux pc, 1 windows laptop and one out-of-order linux laptop.
20:25 john_minetest )
20:25 john_minetest So no sense in compiling stuff for linux (except the kernel) on my linux pc.
20:26 Calinou compile a linux kernel for windows!
20:26 john_minetest But until I got this chain bootloader working the kernel compile is rather useless, too.
20:26 john_minetest No, I got 2 40GB hdds in my pc.
20:26 NekoGloop PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/lg4d677.png
20:26 john_minetest So I can boot archlinux and my custom linux that I compile on the pc.
20:26 PilzAdam NekoGloop, thats an Oerkki
20:27 NekoGloop Your oerkkis look like witches
20:27 Calinou bitches*
20:27 john_minetest Loading inventory pics on VanessaE's server \o/
20:27 Calinou your font looks nice, neko259
20:27 Calinou NekoGloop*
20:27 Calinou do you use freetype?
20:28 NekoGloop Pretty sure that's in my build, ya.
20:28 john_minetest VanessaE: Can you please grant me interact on your survival server?
20:28 VanessaE done
20:28 VanessaE you should already have had it though
20:28 Calinou your font looks prettier than mine :(
20:28 Calinou the freetype font used by default is quite ugly
20:29 VanessaE everyone who played on the creative server can immediately play on the survival one
20:29 NekoGloop Calinou, this is default
20:29 NekoGloop unless VE has a special font set up for her server
20:29 Calinou then it looks different based on your OS...
20:29 Calinou ._.
20:29 VanessaE NekoGloop: not that I know of
20:29 NekoGloop heh
20:29 VanessaE the font in your screenshot is not my custom one, so that's whatever you set up
20:30 NekoGloop It probably loads whatever the OS tells it is the "default" font for the system
20:30 NekoGloop Which... if I had to guess, is Arial for me.
20:30 NekoGloop Calinou, can I see what it looks like for you?
20:31 Calinou i need to compile it, i'm on netbook :/
20:31 NekoGloop heh
20:32 Calinou need to go, so I can't, bye
20:32 Calinou will show you tomorrow :)
20:34 BlockMen bye everyone
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21:37 acerspyro Hello, I tried to run MineTest for the first time, and all I get is a white screen, with a black box with tabs and buttons, but no text, only white labels instead of text.
21:37 acerspyro And, clicking around randomly, I can change tabs, but not activate anything by buttons
21:37 thexyz what's your OS, how're you running it?
21:37 acerspyro Linux openSuSE 12.3, just installed the 1-click install package for 32 bit
21:38 acerspyro Minecraft works perfectly
21:41 thexyz launch `minetest` from terminal emulator and pastebin console output
21:41 acerspyro ok
21:42 acerspyro http://pastebin.com/ERJVz0ai
21:42 harrison http://youtu.be/KEMuf86NuPU
21:43 acerspyro GUIMessageMenu: Not allowing focus change. happened when I was randopmly clicking widgets
21:43 sfan5 "OpenGL driver version is not 1.2 or better.[...]GLSL not available."
21:43 sfan5 update your gfx card driver?
21:43 acerspyro I know, but where do I update thar?
21:43 sfan5 try "lspci | grep VGA"
21:45 acerspyro no output
21:46 acerspyro oh lol
21:46 acerspyro Need to run as root
21:46 * acerspyro facepalm
21:46 VanessaE lspci as root?  since when?
21:46 acerspyro Ah, got an output
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21:47 acerspyro as root*
21:47 acerspyro Cat invading my desk!!!
21:47 sfan5 lawl
21:47 acerspyro 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G84 [GeForce 8600GT] (rev a1)
21:48 sfan5 !g opensuse nvidia GeForce 8600GT
21:48 MinetestBot sfan5: http://en.opensuse.org/HCL:Nvidia_video_cards
21:48 sfan5 ^ acerspyro
21:48 ShadowBot sfan5: http://en.opensuse.org/HCL:Nvidia_video_cards
21:48 acerspyro kk
21:48 sfan5 ShadowBot: stfu
21:48 ShadowBot sfan5: The operation succeeded.
21:49 acerspyro XD
21:49 VanessaE haha
21:52 acerspyro ok
21:52 acerspyro What am I looking at there? I found my video card in the list
21:52 john_minetest hey, opensuse! Best distro ever ;)
21:53 acerspyro lol everyone says that
21:53 john_minetest Actually my first contact with linux. Used it to play Kgoldrunner and Lbreakout...
21:53 acerspyro Meh, 1st contact, FreeBAD
21:53 john_minetest Then stopped using it, tried to installed gentoo, used sabayon, archlinux and stayed with arch.
21:54 john_minetest FreeBAD?
21:54 acerspyro BSD*
21:54 john_minetest FreeBSD is no linux :D
21:54 john_minetest But also a unix derivate.
21:54 acerspyro I know
21:54 acerspyro Then, I had ChromeOS, then learned it was a modified openSuSE
21:56 acerspyro sfan5: what am I looking at?
21:56 acerspyro Don't tell me "your monitor"
21:57 sfan5 ehm
21:57 thexyz acerspyro: what video driver do you have installed?
21:57 sfan5 that wikipage should help you to install/update your video card driver
21:57 acerspyro The proprietart GeForce 8600 GT driver from nvidia
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21:57 thexyz odd
21:57 acerspyro proprietary*
21:57 thexyz also, menu should work anyway, I think
21:57 acerspyro All the other 3D apps works great
21:58 acerspyro I'll make a screenshot of what I see
22:00 sfan5 apparently your driver doesn't even have OpenGL 1.2 or GLSL support
22:00 acerspyro ik that
22:04 acerspyro http://imgur.com/JYERIJv
22:04 acerspyro Here's what I see
22:05 sfan5 ohh
22:05 sfan5 1) don't run minetest as root
22:05 acerspyro It will do the same not as root
22:06 sfan5 2) /sbin and /usr/sbin are not in your $PATH -> lspci does work without root just use /sbin/lspci instead of lspci
22:06 acerspyro ok
22:07 sfan5 are you sure you installed the driver correctly?
22:07 acerspyro yes
22:07 acerspyro Only Minetest does that
22:07 acerspyro kwin effects, minecraft, red eclipse and some windows games work perfectly...
22:07 sfan5 this problem could be related to Irrlicht
22:08 acerspyro Which is?
22:08 acerspyro A library?
22:08 sfan5 dunno
22:08 VanessaE how do I properly disable the fire mod without breaking things like PilzAdam's DM?
22:09 acerspyro sfan5: it's a game engine
22:09 sfan5 VanessaE: enable_fire = false IIRC
22:09 PilzAdam VanessaE, /set -n disable_fire true
22:09 PilzAdam sfan5, wrong
22:09 VanessaE oh is that all? pff
22:09 VanessaE ok
22:09 sfan5 acerspyro: oh.. that is what you meant by "Which is?"
22:09 PilzAdam it basically just disables the spreading
22:10 acerspyro yes
22:10 PilzAdam you will still see fire in the DM explosions, but its harmless
22:10 sfan5 PilzAdam: I usually mess up disable_something = true vs. enable_something = false
22:10 VanessaE huh.  that setting is not documented in the minetest.conf.example
22:10 PilzAdam VanessaE, because its a game setting
22:10 PilzAdam not from the engine
22:11 VanessaE that explains it :P
22:11 sfan5 -> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6779
22:11 sfan5 acerspyro: could you try running supertuxkart or some Irrlicht examples ?
22:11 acerspyro Oh yes, supertuxkart runs well
22:12 sfan5 wat
22:12 acerspyro I didn't know it used irrlicht, tho
22:13 sfan5 does OpenSuse have apt-get ?
22:13 acerspyro no
22:14 acerspyro zypper
22:14 sfan5 ...
22:15 Peacock apt-get ponies kittens unicorns
22:15 sfan5 acerspyro: could you try compiling minetest?
22:16 acerspyro sure
22:17 sfan5 seems like opensuse has 2 different irrlicht packages with different versions
22:17 sfan5 one of the irrlicht versions could be making problems
22:17 * sfan5 is now away to sleep
22:18 sfan5 s/making/causing/
22:19 * john_minetest also goes to sleep now. cya.
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22:21 acerspyro Where's the makefile?
22:21 acerspyro ls
22:21 acerspyro oops
22:24 thexyz acerspyro: do `cmake -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1; make`
22:24 acerspyro Wait, I just read that readme file, and I'll install full of packages
22:26 acerspyro Most of my packages were not found in my repos
22:27 acerspyro I have like 18 repos
22:34 thexyz acerspyro: they're named differently
22:34 acerspyro ok
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22:37 acerspyro thexyz: so how do I know which to install?
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22:38 thexyz acerspyro: sorry, I have no idea about how are those packages named
22:38 thexyz in opensuse
22:39 thexyz I think you need something like `zypper install --type pattern devel_basis`
22:39 acerspyro ok
22:40 thexyz and then you'll need some -devel packages
22:40 thexyz like irrlicht-devel
22:44 acerspyro not found
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22:47 thexyz uh
22:47 thexyz I think you'll have more luck in suse-related channel, sorry
22:47 acerspyro I just found them in my package manager...
22:48 acerspyro Under a very different name
22:48 acerspyro build-essential -> libestr
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22:50 thexyz wait, that's not it
22:50 acerspyro no?
22:50 acerspyro Description looked similar
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23:00 acerspyro I found all the packages 1 by 1, going to install them
23:01 kaeza greetings
23:01 iqualfragile moin kaeza
23:01 kaeza o/
23:03 acerspyro It's making
23:15 theinvsblman hello, i'm experiencing very poor performance in minetest 0.4.7 (downloaded from github and compiled just now)
23:15 VanessaE define "poor performance"
23:15 theinvsblman 30fps on an i7-2630QM and a GT540M
23:16 VanessaE you mean low fps, or mapgen lag, or something else?
23:16 theinvsblman the OS is xubuntu 12.10
23:16 theinvsblman i'm not entirely sure if i done everything correctly
23:16 theinvsblman i did make install and just ran the game using "minetest" and generated a world with the default parameters
23:16 VanessaE well notebook graphics aren't exactly known for being fast
23:16 VanessaE 30fps sounds about right
23:16 theinvsblman yes, but the performance in minecraft is much better for me
23:17 acerspyro Wow, minecraft should have lower performance...
23:17 VanessaE you have an appropriate video driver?
23:17 acerspyro Java program
23:17 theinvsblman yes, everything works
23:17 theinvsblman the cpu load seems high too
23:17 VanessaE how much of a view range do you get out of minecraft, vs. minetest?
23:18 theinvsblman i get better performance on far in minecraft than in minetest on default settings
23:18 VanessaE (if I recall right, minetest will expand out to ~240m)
23:18 theinvsblman i might have misconfigured something though
23:18 theinvsblman seems weird the game runs so slowly
23:18 VanessaE try turning off things like shaders and fancy leaves
23:19 theinvsblman also, the game says it's a minimal development test and tells me to run "minetest_game" but i found no such thing
23:19 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game
23:19 VanessaE clone that and put it in your games folder.
23:21 theinvsblman how can i find the location of the games folder?
23:21 VanessaE it's in your minetest folder
23:21 VanessaE under linux, that's ~/.minetest/games
23:22 VanessaE or you can use /usr/share/minetest/games
23:22 VanessaE but the former is recommended of course
23:22 theinvsblman ok, the game seems to work properly
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23:27 theinvsblman the performance is still poor though
23:28 VanessaE wish I knew why.
23:28 theinvsblman the frame time graph shows a lot of spikes
23:29 theinvsblman also i'm getting a lot of occlusion culling glitches
23:31 VanessaE I can only guess it's some setting on minetest that is "fancier" than in minecraft on your machine
23:31 VanessaE did you turn off shaders and fancy leaves?
23:33 theinvsblman doesn't help much
23:33 theinvsblman the game is really smooth as long as not much terrain is loaded
23:33 theinvsblman after a certain point the game gets really laggy
23:34 VanessaE you don't have 'full range' enabled do you?
23:34 VanessaE (press 'r')
23:34 VanessaE lag != low FPS.
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23:35 theinvsblman by lag i meant there are a lot of small spikes
23:36 VanessaE no idea :(
23:36 theinvsblman hm, looks like it's not rendering's fault
23:36 theinvsblman it's still choppy even if there's nothing in the view
23:36 VanessaE something eating CPU?
23:36 VanessaE disp-lay/desktop compositing maybe?
23:36 VanessaE --
23:36 theinvsblman using xfce with compositing disabled
23:37 VanessaE hm
23:37 theinvsblman system load is 3.21 (out of 8, it's a cpu with 8 threads)
23:37 VanessaE 3.21 is too high
23:37 theinvsblman so the game has enough resources to run
23:37 VanessaE you shouldn't be seeing a load greater than 1 normally
23:37 theinvsblman on a multicore system it's normal
23:38 VanessaE load as in load average?
23:38 theinvsblman yes
23:38 VanessaE no.
23:38 VanessaE top - 19:38:53 up 8 days, 21:21,  2 users,  load average: 0.76, 0.87, 1.33    <--- 6 core system.
23:38 theinvsblman maybe it depends on the system
23:38 sapier1 3.21 is quite heavy
23:38 theinvsblman for me 8.00 is the maximum load
23:38 VanessaE you've got something sucking down CPU
23:38 theinvsblman hm this is rather interesting
23:39 sapier1 do a top and look up who is eating up the cpu ;-)
23:39 theinvsblman the X server is using 86%, an xfce4-panel is using 100% and minetest is using 157%
23:39 VanessaE there's your answer
23:39 theinvsblman weird stuff going on but still
23:39 VanessaE xfce panel should never use 100%
23:39 theinvsblman cpu usage is less than 50%
23:39 VanessaE "cpu usage" is the total of all cores
23:39 sapier1 seems like some overlay glitch
23:40 VanessaE so 50% means you've got ~4 threads/cores used up
23:40 sapier1 do you have other opengl enabled applications running?
23:40 theinvsblman yes
23:40 theinvsblman i don't
23:40 sapier1 do you have a real 8 core machine ore 4+4ht
23:40 theinvsblman hm this is really weird
23:40 theinvsblman 4 core with hyper-threading
23:40 theinvsblman as soon as i shut minetest down
23:41 theinvsblman all the weird cpu usage disappeared
23:41 theinvsblman including xfce panel
23:41 theinvsblman well i've got a theory
23:41 sapier1 I have same behaviour if I try to run xbmc minetest and some other 3d app same time
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23:42 theinvsblman ok so i think the problem is
23:42 sapier1 and firefox of course ... it's always involved if lag is there
23:42 theinvsblman the window title refreshes really often
23:42 theinvsblman it might be causing some weird issues with the panel
23:42 theinvsblman any quick way to disable it without recompiling?
23:43 sapier1 I don't think so
23:43 theinvsblman ok then, going to mess around with the code
23:43 sapier1 "full screen" is still not supported ... is it?
23:45 acerspyro Ok, after compiling from source, MineTest works ^-^
23:45 acerspyro Thanks
23:47 theinvsblman this is funny
23:47 theinvsblman i commented out the code responsible for updating the window caption with fps
23:47 theinvsblman all performance issues are gone
23:47 theinvsblman getting stable 60fps
23:47 acerspyro Oh, sure
23:48 sapier1 maybe you could do a reduced update inteval instead of completely removing it
23:48 acerspyro It needs to tell the Window Manager about it at each refresh
23:48 sapier1 e.g. every 100 steps
23:48 VanessaE wait a minute here
23:48 VanessaE exactly WHAT did you comment-out?
23:48 VanessaE what file and line?
23:48 theinvsblman lines 3357 to 3366 in game.cpp
23:48 VanessaE I want to see how this behaves on my box
23:49 VanessaE (since I also run xfce)
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23:50 sapier1 wow ... that code is insane :-)
23:50 theinvsblman not sure if it's a minetest bug or a wm/panel bug
23:51 theinvsblman but still, probably not a good idea to update the window title 60 times a second
23:51 sapier1 exactly ;-)
23:52 sapier1 even once per second would be insane ;-) but this could be changed quite easy
23:52 sapier1 add another static counter increasing each step once it's bigger than lastFPS update the title
23:52 sapier1 this way you get roughly once per second
23:52 sapier1 still much :)
23:52 acerspyro Why would the title be updated with the FPS count anyways?
23:53 VanessaE huh.
23:53 sapier1 hey we need to tell user how many fps we can do ;-)
23:53 VanessaE you know, I think that improved it a bit for me also
23:53 VanessaE Xorg CPU usage with MT open is now less than 10%.  usually it's in the 50% range
23:54 PilzAdam Evergreen, Pilztest has backpacks now
23:54 VanessaE and I'm seeing a slightly higher FPS that usual in my test area (spawn on creative server)
23:54 Evergreen Cool
23:54 VanessaE the FPS is already in the F6 display anyway
23:54 VanessaE (page 2)
23:55 VanessaE why display it in the title bar if it can be found there?
23:55 VanessaE or at least, put it next to 'drawtime' in the F5 display
23:55 theinvsblman wow, now the game runs really well
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23:56 theinvsblman and the load is much lower
23:56 sapier1 I guess this triggers some very bad habit of xfce :)
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23:56 theinvsblman i wonder if i can run the game on the integrated gpu (nvidia optimus)
23:57 VanessaE allegedly you can
23:57 sapier1 the game runs fine on core i5 gpu so you won't have any problems with nvidia gpus ;-)
23:57 VanessaE but don't expect good perforance then :)
23:57 VanessaE performance *
23:58 theinvsblman this is interesting
23:58 theinvsblman 60fps on intel hd 3000 as well
23:59 sapier1 strange I've got only 35 on gtx260
23:59 theinvsblman hm, slowed down a bit after loading more terrain
23:59 sapier1 but all those fancy things turned on
23:59 theinvsblman but still playable, 40 fps or higher
23:59 VanessaE that's normal, it tries to display as much terrain as possible, up to the fps you have configured
23:59 VanessaE I think by default it tries to keep it above 30
23:59 theinvsblman nice
23:59 theinvsblman minecraft by default tries to keep it below 20 i guess

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