Time Nick Message 00:00 VanessaE see if that brea^H^H^H^Hfixes it. 00:00 VanessaE :) 00:00 andersje yep, sed'ing now 00:01 andersje %s/\(group:\)\([ube]\)/\1dye,\2/g%s/\(group:\)\([ube]\)/\1dye,\2/g 00:01 andersje oops 00:01 andersje wrong window 00:01 VanessaE looks more like perl than a sed expression :P 00:01 andersje well, perl stole widely from sed and awk 00:01 andersje Mr. Wall only created perl because, at the time, awk could only have one file open at a time. 00:02 VanessaE heh. I've been using unix-like OS's for 18 years and I still haven't bothered to learn awk :P 00:02 andersje nothing better for crunching through vast amounts of text 00:02 andersje perl is a lot easier and more featured tho 00:02 andersje but for quick and dirty stuff....i loves me some awk 00:03 VanessaE of course, I still struggle with regexes anyways, so.. 00:03 VanessaE my mind does not speak line noise :) 00:03 andersje parsing webserver logfiles will lead you to love regex 00:03 PilzAdam xchat's color selection failed again... VanessaE is blue, andersje is blue, same nick length 00:03 PilzAdam how am I supposed to read this!? 00:04 VanessaE I never use the nick coloring, just highlights. 00:04 andersje http://pastebin.com/PqFWMvqH -- VanessaE 00:04 andersje that's STILL not working 00:05 andersje I wonder if it ever did 00:05 VanessaE weird 00:05 * andersje tries something different. 00:06 * Sokomine nods to andersje 00:06 Sokomine though i usually use awk only to print certain colums of a result 00:06 VanessaE that should just work.. 00:06 andersje yeah, Sokomine, it's tons smarter than cut 00:07 andersje awk '/stuff i want/{print $NF}' 00:07 VanessaE sed/grep/cut/tr are about all I use for text processing 00:07 andersje my tr skills are really rusty 00:10 andersje yeah, it's not just white in there. it's whenever I try to pass in more than one thing... 00:10 andersje I'm gonna check in this code, let y'all see it in its entirety 00:11 VanessaE ok 00:12 VanessaE hey Menche 00:13 andersje https://github.com/andersje/stained_glass/blob/master/init.lua 00:13 andersje you can see my craziness there. 00:14 VanessaE reading... 00:15 VanessaE dafuq? 00:15 VanessaE dyerecipe{} over and over? 00:15 VanessaE shouldn't those be () ? 00:16 jin_xi lua can omit parens for single table or string arguments 00:16 VanessaE or rather, shouldn't the param be wrapped in () anyway 00:16 VanessaE ah that explains it 00:16 VanessaE I forgot about that syntax 00:16 jin_xi effin syntax 00:17 * jin_xi likes lisps 00:17 VanessaE your entries for pastel magenta and pastel violet look wrong... 00:17 VanessaE (extra, escaped quotes in the args) 00:18 VanessaE unicolor_magenta vs. excolor_medium_redviolet might be that stupid closest-possible-color mapping in the default dyes mod 00:19 VanessaE you have a similar issue with dark green 00:19 VanessaE which also has a nearest-color mapping 00:19 VanessaE in those cases, use the dye colors directly. 00:19 VanessaE unifieddyes:dark_green et al. 00:21 andersje should those be () ? 00:21 VanessaE nevermind the () 00:21 andersje okay. 00:21 VanessaE try changing those recipes to use the exact dye colors instead of groups for those few that I mentioned 00:22 andersje okay, will do. 00:23 VanessaE *looks at dye mod* 00:23 andersje yeah, those extra quotes were leftovers from a previous attempt to pass those arguments in 00:24 VanessaE in fact anything that uses light or medium grey should also use the exact dye colors instead of groups 00:24 VanessaE since those two also evaluate to the same thing 00:24 andersje hrm, I don't think anything uses grey 00:24 VanessaE nope 00:24 VanessaE guess not 00:24 andersje okay so unicolor_magenta becomes dye:magenta ? 00:24 VanessaE just pointing it out for future reference. 00:24 andersje (thanks) 00:24 VanessaE yeah, try that 00:25 VanessaE group:dye,unicolor_magenta --> dye:magenta 00:26 Vazon_ hay guys i have a ? 00:26 VanessaE andersje: looks like brown and yellow have the same problem too 00:26 andersje hahaha, that's funny. 00:26 andersje I kinda wish your whole dyes mod would've made it into base. 00:26 VanessaE use dye:yellow where that one's called for 00:26 VanessaE yeah, me too 00:26 Vazon_ On the technicc mod how do you use the mining laser? 00:26 andersje that would've allowed existing code to just change unifieddyes:blah to dyes:blah 00:26 VanessaE my way is 100x better 00:26 andersje yellow works! 00:26 andersje i think. 00:26 andersje lemme check once the client loads 00:26 VanessaE Vazon_: just charge it up and then click with it like any other tool 00:27 Vazon_ o you have to charge it XD 00:27 VanessaE it fires and digs a trench, you have to collect them 00:27 VanessaE andersje: by what I understand of this, brown will work where yellow is called for 00:27 VanessaE which is wrong :P 00:27 Vazon_ ok 00:28 VanessaE (if the recipe calls for basecolor_yellow anyway) 00:28 andersje hrm. yeah, that's a bummer 00:28 andersje okay, I'll fix it. 00:30 andersje yeah, dye:dark_green still gives the same old green... 00:30 * andersje thinks 00:30 andersje I wonder if I have to change green to dye:green. 00:31 VanessaE if you need true green vs. dark ,yeah 00:31 VanessaE because it has that same mapping: https://github.com/minetest/common/blob/master/mods/dye/init.lua#L66\ 00:31 VanessaE grr 00:31 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/common/blob/master/mods/dye/init.lua#L66 00:32 andersje that fixed my green issues. 00:32 andersje but still seeing magenta vs. red_violet 00:32 * andersje thinks 00:32 andersje I think the red_violet recipt needs fixing 00:32 VanessaE both greys are equated, as re both greens, yellow/brown, magenta/red-violet/violet, and red/pink 00:33 VanessaE so for all of those, you have to use the exact item name to get it "right". 00:33 andersje what's the exact name of the dye:red_violet ? 00:33 VanessaE unifieddyes:redviolet 00:33 andersje thanks 00:34 VanessaE I think :) 00:34 VanessaE *checks code* 00:34 andersje yeah, you're right. 00:34 andersje that's fixed. 00:34 andersje so now all my base colors are correct 00:35 VanessaE yay! 00:35 * andersje prepares to check that in 00:35 VanessaE interesting, I have all my base colors defined as dye:xxxxx 00:35 VanessaE (in addition to unifieddyes:xxxxx) 00:36 VanessaE *checks blame* 00:36 VanessaE huh. did that back in May. 00:37 VanessaE guess I forgot :) 00:37 andersje okay, got those changes in. 00:39 VanessaE hey bas 00:40 andersje hey bas...is the noncubic blocks mod pretty much defunct? 00:40 VanessaE andersje: CNC mill in Technic. 00:40 andersje okay, so I gotta switch to that one. 00:40 andersje the kids love noncubic, didn't realize technic was the successor 00:43 Vazon_ VanessaE what do i use to charge th mining laser? 00:44 VanessaE a battery box + LV solar arrays + switching station 00:44 VanessaE (or any other LV power source) 00:44 Vazon_ ok 00:44 VanessaE solar array --> switching station --> batt box <-- put your laser into the batt box 00:44 NekoGloop technic is a giant pack of random shit 00:44 VanessaE let it charge, take it back out, use it. 00:45 Vazon_ ok 00:45 NekoGloop //hypocritcal gloop// 00:45 VanessaE NekoGloop: indeed, says the guy who started Gloopblocks :P_ 00:45 VanessaE :P 00:45 VanessaE (and myself, who ran with it :P ) 00:45 NekoGloop :3 00:48 Vazon_ VanessaEwill a generator work? 00:48 VanessaE sure 00:48 Vazon_ ok 00:48 VanessaE anything that produces LV power will be fine 00:48 VanessaE solar, thermal, coal.. 00:48 Vazon_ ok 00:49 NekoGloop register_gloopblocks_alias? Don't remember that. 00:49 VanessaE I added it to cover for moreblocks being stupid at one time 00:49 NekoGloop heh 00:49 VanessaE to allow me to keep gloopblocks' stairs et al. in the gloopblocks: namespace. 00:49 VanessaE it's hacky, but it works :) 00:51 NekoGloop I forgot how ugly pumice is. 00:51 VanessaE aw come on 00:51 VanessaE it works well enough 00:52 VanessaE if you got better textures, submit 'em :) 00:52 NekoGloop I'll submit whatever the hell I want ;) 00:52 VanessaE and I'll accept/reject whatever the hell I want :P 00:52 VanessaE :) 00:52 NekoGloop Ohey, you should remove Thumbs.db 00:53 VanessaE oops! 00:53 NekoGloop .gitignore, it's there for a reason! 00:53 NekoGloop ;) 00:53 VanessaE deleted. 00:54 NekoGloop also what the hell is with my github avatar O.o 00:55 VanessaE dunno 00:55 VanessaE never saw that before 00:55 Menche what happened to Minetest's github avatar? it's a bunch of purple squares 00:55 Menche like a wierd eye or something 00:55 NekoGloop ... huh 00:56 NekoGloop Has github taken a liking to Atari-style avatars? :P 00:57 NekoGloop Hm, pumice needs a thing for it... 00:57 VanessaE it must be an automatic thingf 00:58 NekoGloop I know 00:58 VanessaE I've see similar auto-generated avatars on other forums 00:58 NekoGloop Er 00:58 Menche looking down minetest's commits; kahrl, xyzz, and kwolekr have those weird avatars 00:58 VanessaE at least mine still works 00:58 NekoGloop How did I read "automatic" as "aesthetic" 00:58 VanessaE maybe it's related to the server outage last nirhgt 00:58 VanessaE night* 00:59 Menche but sapier still has the github default blank avater 00:59 Menche *avatar 00:59 PilzAdam VanessaE, you are op, choose the sandwich of the day 00:59 Vazon_ VanessaE the switching staion says no netowrk 00:59 Menche that's been like that longer than last night 00:59 VanessaE PilzAdam: I have nothing new to offer :) 00:59 * Menche probably just pinged half of the core devs :P 00:59 NekoGloop nah, only karl 01:00 VanessaE Vazon_: maybe it's not the switching station then 01:00 NekoGloop the other two go by other names 01:00 VanessaE but the other one 01:00 VanessaE whatever it was called 01:00 NekoGloop PilzAdam, Turkey Burger w/ Steak Sauce 01:01 NekoGloop Oh, I see. Gravatar redid how they do things. 01:04 andersje you know what? I think the pixmaps for the light_ and pastel_ and faint_ are the same. 01:05 andersje i honestly can't see the difference between them, though I've got them working now 01:05 andersje well, maybe someone else can. 01:06 VanessaE odd, I thought I had those working right 01:06 PilzAdam bye 01:06 andersje no, in the blocks 01:06 andersje your DYES are different 01:06 VanessaE well, grab the ones from 16px HDX, they're nearly identical anyway 01:06 andersje but these blocks...I can see I'm crafting the right ones...but I put them next to each other...*pfft* 01:06 andersje okay, checking in, I think 01:07 andersje making sure I have redviolet working again...after I broke it... 01:07 VanessaE I think I'm gonna go lie down, maybe for the night 01:08 VanessaE I'm crashing, bad 01:08 andersje yeah, you were up late last night 01:09 VanessaE bbl; I'mm check your changes when I return 01:13 andersje checked in. 01:24 NekoGloop oh, hey, that scaffolding image is still there. 01:25 andersje scaffolding image? 01:41 NekoGloop rawr lua, work dammit 01:43 andersje is doyousketch2 missing in action? 01:46 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Are all of these bans necessary? *!*@189.191.* *!*@189.144.* *!*@201.141.* *!*@*198.144.* 01:46 NekoGloop proxies. 01:46 NekoGloop we don't like those proxies. 01:46 ShadowNinja Note: The last one will also match 23.198.144.45 01:47 NekoGloop goddammit. 01:47 NekoGloop http://pastebin.com/9mDh1EAk halp 01:47 NekoGloop it's not placing the scaffolding above it. 01:48 ShadowNinja These are also a little broad: *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.144.* *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.191.* 01:48 NekoGloop It's eating stack upon stack of scaffolds. 01:48 NekoGloop Not placing. 01:48 NekoGloop ShadowNinja, LM. 01:49 ShadowNinja Well I suppose the fourth one should be changed. 01:50 NekoGloop Hey, you, you know lua right? 01:50 NekoGloop Could you see what I'm doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/9mDh1EAk 01:50 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: itemstack:take_item() return itemstack 01:50 NekoGloop That's not the problem 01:51 ShadowNinja (Probably not the bug, but much cleaner) 01:51 NekoGloop It's eating stack upon stack of scaffolds, yes. 01:51 NekoGloop But it's not placing them. 01:51 ShadowNinja Also: You can replace any node with that, it doesn't check the node above. 01:51 NekoGloop Yes yes yes. 01:51 NekoGloop I'd like it to actually place the node before I mess with that. 01:52 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: Does it eat the whole stack at a time? 01:52 NekoGloop No. 01:52 NekoGloop One at a time. 01:52 NekoGloop Slowly yet consistantly refusing to place the scaffolding above it. 01:52 ShadowNinja Ah. 01:52 NekoGloop (I'll also make the scaffolding placing be up to like 20 or so 01:53 ShadowNinja pos={x=pos.x, y=pos.y+1, z=pos.z} 01:53 ShadowNinja You just used a table without setting the keys. 01:53 NekoGloop b-but... I don't have to do that with the node... why do I have to do it for the pos... 01:54 ShadowNinja Hmmm? Positions are always indexed by x, y, and z; Never 1, 2, and 3. 01:54 NekoGloop Oh, depr. 01:55 NekoGloop derp 01:55 NekoGloop THAT part. 01:55 NekoGloop I thought you meant the preceding pos= 01:56 andersje oh, man. my youngest went NUTS with railcars in one of the worlds. and accelerating track 01:56 andersje can you say high cpu usage? 01:57 NekoGloop Alright, how do I make a for-loop repeat 20 times... 01:57 andersje for 1 .. 20 ? 01:58 ShadowNinja for i = 1, 20 do end 01:59 NekoGloop Ah, right. 01:59 NekoGloop I keep forgetting that works. 02:08 andersje does anyone run realtest 02:09 NekoGloop yay more stupidass mistakes x.x 02:11 NekoGloop How do I detect air? :P 02:16 * NekoGloop coughs loudly 02:19 NekoGloop *cough* how do I detect air *cough* 02:26 kahrl By coughing. If you can inhale after the coughing, there is air. 02:30 NekoGloop heh 02:31 hoodedice So... 02:32 NekoGloop hoodedice, no 02:32 hoodedice ...Empty? 02:32 hoodedice no. 02:32 NekoGloop kahrl, have you played with glooptest? 02:34 NekoGloop I know you said you liked my usage of the default chest texture for the treasure chests, but that was only a screenshot. 02:36 kahrl I haven't played with it 02:40 NekoGloop I see. 02:41 NekoGloop My scaffolding has a slight glitch... It's placing an entire wall of scaffolding xD 02:41 NekoGloop Also, does climbable work on solid things yet? 02:47 NekoGloop OH MY GOD I GOT IT WORKING. 02:47 hoodedice Neko, do you have any exerience with survival servers? 02:48 NekoGloop No. 02:48 NekoGloop And you can get rid of "survival" and it would still be no. 02:48 NekoGloop Hell, if you asked me if I actually played minetest, the answer would still be no. 02:50 andersje really? 02:50 andersje you just code stuff for it? 02:51 NekoGloop Yep. 02:56 NekoGloop Hm... How do I make something have wood texture on top and bottom, but the sides are "gloopblocks_scaffolding.png"? 02:56 NekoGloop Oh, wait, that doesn't work with allfaces. 02:56 NekoGloop I'm a derp. 02:59 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: Try using nodeboxes. 03:00 NekoGloop will that work like allfaces for the purpose of not culling the faces behind it? 03:02 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: No, I meant use nodeboxes for the scafolding, not one node-sized nodebox. 03:02 ShadowNinja See technic frames. 03:03 NekoGloop that would require me to actually have technic 03:03 ShadowNinja Look for screenshots on the forum? 03:07 NekoGloop RBA's screenies died 03:14 hoodedice I wish I was more like Neko 03:14 hoodedice Did try out coding once but gaming is more fun (for now) 03:19 hoodedice *silence* 03:20 NekoGloop You want to be more like a cat? 03:22 Vazon hay guys what do you put in a alloy furnus to get it to work? 03:23 NekoGloop You put "ce" in it. 03:23 Vazon put what in it? 03:24 NekoGloop And take out the "s" 03:25 Vazon NekoGloop what are you talking about?> 03:25 NekoGloop I'm talking about your horrible spelling. 03:26 Vazon o sorry 03:26 NekoGloop oh* 03:26 Vazon that isnt what i need tho what do I put in it to get it to work? 03:27 NekoGloop Do you have the electric or coal one 03:29 ShadowNinja Vazon: Look at technic/machines/register/grinder.lua for recipes. 03:29 ShadowNinja (In the rewrite branch) 03:30 ShadowNinja In master I think it is in technic/machines/lv/grinder.lua 03:30 Vazon ok 03:31 Vazon Neko coal 03:32 NekoGloop then you put coal and whatever you're alloying together in the thing 03:49 Dogzilla131 Hi 03:51 Dogzilla131 Can somebody tell me the wazuland irc link 03:52 ShadowNinja Dogzilla131: Surely they have a forum topic for you to get it from? 03:52 Dogzilla131 ok ill try to find it 03:55 Dogzilla131 thanks 04:19 andersje is there a way to say that a recipe can use either A or B in a slot? 04:19 andersje nevermind. both mobf and mobs use wool:white 04:26 ShadowNinja Every time I look at technic I see something else that can be removed/compacted. Already at 5 insertions, 145 deletions. 04:28 ShadowNinja Oh, 107 insertions, (had to git add) 04:29 ShadowNinja I just need to completely rewrite the way power is stored and transfered to be fast and not waste power now... 04:32 ShadowNinja So what is the biggest diff you have made to code in an established project? 04:33 NekoGloop lol 04:33 NekoGloop Are technic's solars actually solar-powered, and not height-powered? 04:34 ShadowNinja Why does github say my second programing language is shell? I don't remenber pushing and shell diff. NekoGloop: Yes, partially. 04:34 ShadowNinja any* 04:34 NekoGloop Can you still power them with a torch? :P 04:35 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: Yes, if you keep them above ground during day. 04:35 NekoGloop So the sun is actually needed? :P 04:36 nothoodedice so... 04:37 NekoGloop meow 04:37 nothoodedice *bark* 04:39 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: No, but the time, height, and light is taken into account. 04:40 NekoGloop I see... 04:40 NekoGloop We need a minetest:in_sunlight(pos) or something 04:40 NekoGloop That actually returns if it's in SUNLIGHT, not "light during day" 04:40 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: There is a pull for getting node sunlight. 04:41 ShadowNinja (At this point you name it, there is a month+ old pull for it...) 04:42 NekoGloop ... figures. 04:42 NekoGloop You know, actually making progress is forbidden 'ere. 04:46 andersje if i made a minor change to an abandoned mod (cornernote's bags) and forked it...where would the note on that go? 04:48 NekoGloop cornernote's banned, ain't he? 04:49 andersje yeah. 04:49 andersje I searched for a mod release page on his bags... 04:49 * andersje looks harder 04:49 NekoGloop He wiped his posts 04:49 andersje !! 04:50 andersje wtf? he really lost it. 04:52 andersje ah, found his bag post. 04:52 andersje I'll follow up to that. 04:54 andersje holy crap, prestibags are nuts 04:58 nore hi 04:58 andersje hola 04:59 nore ShadowNinja, have you finished your rewrite of technic? 04:59 ShadowNinja nore: I have worked on it more, it mostly just needs testing. 05:00 nore I have a question, though 05:00 nore IIRC, some properties of nodes related to technic are coded in nodedef 05:01 ShadowNinja nore: Yes. 05:01 nore see in #minetest-technic 05:01 ShadowNinja tier and such. 05:01 andersje is 0gb.us also AWOL? I like his chests mod. :/ 05:02 ShadowNinja andersje: I haven't seen him on IRC for a week or so. And he is no longer interested in Minetest. 05:02 andersje yep, that'll happen 05:03 nore !seen 0gb.us 05:03 MinetestBot nore: Sorry, I haven't seen 0gb.us around. 05:03 NekoGloop He has a different name on irc 05:04 nore which one? 05:04 andersje oh, okay. 05:04 andersje so Zeg9's inventory++ is now the preferred inventory modification gadget, right? 05:04 NekoGloop No, technic 05:05 NekoGloop because everyone but me plays with technic 05:05 andersje !! that has a TON of dependencies, tho 05:05 NekoGloop technic does everything 05:05 NekoGloop I think he's really lost sight of any real goal, tbh. 05:05 andersje okay, you had me going for a minute there 05:06 ShadowNinja us_0gb, [0gb_us], and recently Guest00000. 05:06 andersje !seen us_0gb 05:06 MinetestBot andersje: Sorry, I haven't seen us_0gb around. 05:06 andersje !seen Guest00000 05:06 MinetestBot andersje: Sorry, I haven't seen guest00000 around. 05:06 andersje !seen [0gb_us] 05:06 MinetestBot andersje: Sorry, I haven't seen [0gb_us] around. 05:08 ShadowNinja andersje: He hasn't been here for a month+. (I meet him in other places) 05:09 andersje well, tell him my boys and I are still using his mods on our servers. he did good work, sorry he burned out 05:37 alex256 hello 05:41 ShadowNinja Hello alex256! 05:56 nore kaeza, I need texture for one last node... ;) 05:57 nore +s 05:57 kaeza texture+s or node+s? :P 05:58 nore texture +s 05:58 nore for the floppy programmator, with a node that can put existing programs in a floppy 05:59 kaeza shouldn't that be the job of the floppy drive? 06:03 kaeza or you mean more like a separate floppy controller? 06:03 nore the floppy drive is connected to a computer, the floppy programmator is standalone and writes only some programs on the floppy 06:03 nore you can't add custom programs to that 06:04 nore If we did not have that, one would have no way of booting a computer, and then no way of writing something to a floppy 06:09 kaeza gotcha 06:32 kaeza yey I haz a mainframe https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_2849826113.jpg 06:33 kaeza I iz a movie hacker :3 06:35 nore what does this do? 06:35 nore did you program it, or is it only for decoration? 06:36 kaeza just deco 06:38 kaeza is that OK for a texture? 06:38 kaeza I'm not feeling very imaginative right now :/ 06:38 nore yes, ofc 06:40 kaeza https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/floppy_thingy_textures.zip 06:43 nore thanks 06:48 nore kaeza, those are CC-BY-SA too? 06:48 kaeza yup 07:12 alex256 hopefully tommorow i will be back on minetest...going thrift store shopping for a video card.....i bought my son a 256mb nvidia pci express card yesterday for 2 bucks.... 08:14 Jordach topic not changed again!!?! 08:14 Jordach !op 08:24 * Jordach waits for Evergreen 08:29 Jordach the best part about evergreen's model is that i don't have to have it a little off the face (like Sam, or other models) 08:52 PenguinDad So true http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2013/08/22/les-feedbacks-utilisateurs/ 08:57 Calinou heh 08:58 PenguinDad reminds me to the forums :) 09:01 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/fdoyFZg.png 09:01 Jordach double sided faces ftw 09:02 Jordach does this look nice? http://i.imgur.com/EIFwD3l.png 09:02 Jordach sfan5: yes. 09:03 * sfan5 is afraid it doesn't comply with Apples UI Design Guides 09:03 Jordach pop a nice border and a background of sky blue 09:03 sfan5 what 'bout clouds? 09:03 Jordach that sounds good 09:03 Jordach if you have the source file; i can apple-ise it 09:04 Jordach (THERE ARE templates on google.) 09:04 sfan5 well 09:04 Calinou iOS apps can have transparent backgrounds now? 09:04 Calinou app icons* 09:04 Calinou afaik, it needs to be black 09:05 sfan5 the source file is just the misc/minetest-icon.svg in 57x, 72x, 114x and 144x 09:10 Jordach sfan5: wait for iOS 7 09:11 Jordach they're ditching the skeunomorphic (spelt right?) designs 09:11 Jordach so actually, minetest might pass. 09:11 Jordach hint: browse the app store for hints 09:11 Calinou flat design! 09:11 Calinou read: they copied MS 09:12 nore sfan5: does minetest work on iOS now? 09:12 sfan5 nore: not yet 09:13 nore I guess your problem is Irrlicht, ain't it? 09:13 sfan5 the wrapper thread which has to do with all the UIKit stuff crashes 09:13 sfan5 no Irrlicht works fine 09:14 nore and will your port work for Android too? 09:14 PenguinDad nope 09:14 nore Or is it completely different interfaces? 09:16 sfan5 nore: no; no 09:16 nore so interfaces have similarities, so it will make the port to Android easier, it that right? 09:17 sfan5 [off] nore: Irrlicht works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGL_YrwCPAY 09:17 sfan5 define interface 09:17 sfan5 if you mean the programming interface 09:17 sfan5 iOS and Android are completly different 09:18 nore yes, I meant programming interfaces 09:18 sfan5 they are completly different 09:19 nore and will you make a port for Android too? 09:19 PenguinDad nore: good luck, have fun 09:19 nore I don't know Android, so I can't do this port 09:20 Jordach sfan5: notbad.png 09:20 sfan5 we can use NativeActivity on Android, but these won't load shared libraries with dependencies 09:21 nore b 09:21 nore ut loading the dependencies before the libraries that need them would work? 09:22 sfan5 no 09:22 nore what could be done then? 09:22 sfan5 I would have to duplicate the functionality of ld.so for that 09:22 nore since IIRC, you made the server work on Android 09:23 sfan5 the server doesn't need to be compiled to a shared library 09:23 sfan5 its not an App 09:24 nore and is it possible to merge shared libraries in one shared library? 09:24 sfan5 yes 09:24 sfan5 static linking 09:26 PenguinDad hasn't static linking issues with portability? 09:26 sfan5 yes 09:28 Jordach but the app is portable!1 09:28 Jordach because it runs on a mobile device 09:28 PenguinDad :D 09:28 Jordach 09:29 Jordach btw, i just made a chest 09:30 thexyz sfan5: well i had similar thing running on my android tablet, also why did you [off] this message? 09:31 sfan5 thexyz: because I don't like everyone seeing what apps I have on page 3 09:31 thexyz I think I really should disable this feature 09:32 sfan5 :/ 09:32 Jordach it's an unlisted video, like they will find it normally 09:39 * Jordach is busy rendering 40 frames 09:39 Jordach fun fact: spotify won't play ads if the CPU is overloaded (easy on a Pentium 4) 09:40 Jordach sfan5: y u no use http://mg.viewskew.com 09:45 Jordach btw, http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/chest-animation-test/ 09:45 Jordach cel shading + minetest = good looks 09:58 PenguinDad in a few weeks i can play minetest again :( 10:02 Jordach iirc, there's a pentium 4 in this house with 1gb of ram with xubuntu loaded on it 10:02 Jordach you want it? come to my place and have it 10:05 PenguinDad no i mean paramat's mods need a week for generation :P 10:10 Jordach > paramat's mods 10:15 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/UX6lw7W.png 10:16 Jordach fixed: http://i.imgur.com/G78Om4E.png 10:19 PenguinDad i use them with LuaJIT but without Voxelmanipulators :/ 10:20 PenguinDad Jordach: why the ctcp version? 10:20 Jordach trying to work out OS 10:23 Jordach MinetestBot! 10:23 MinetestBot Jordach! 10:23 * Jordach pets MinetestBot 10:23 PenguinDad hi MinetestBot 10:23 MinetestBot Hello PenguinDad. 10:48 * Jordach makes another render 10:48 * Jordach is making minetest props to be used in blender 10:48 Jordach tools, blocks, name it 10:57 PenguinDad hello john_minetest 11:02 Jordach [11:58:20] Of course my new graphics don't support GL, too. 11:02 Jordach [11:58:37] But the WM loads properly now... 11:02 Jordach Calinou: ^^ 11:04 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/locked-chest-animation-test/ 11:07 * Jordach does things properly: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107060#p107060 11:10 PenguinDad paramat's flatten mod still generates the terrain :( 11:11 Jordach +100 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106979#p106979 11:12 PenguinDad +math.huge 11:13 Jordach afernoon PilzAdam 11:14 Jordach no one can blender like me :D 11:14 PenguinDad hi PilzAdam 11:14 PilzAdam Hello everyone! 11:14 Jordach s/Hello/Good news/ 11:22 kaeza lol https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107060#p107060 11:25 Jordach i just spoke for the 3,xxx members 11:25 PilzAdam ^ 11:26 Jordach if you want spam removed quickly, ping me 11:35 Jordach kaeza: @Jordach make better textures pl0x mine are shit. 11:36 kaeza Jordach, wat 11:36 Rhys Hello everyone. 11:36 Jordach end of page 3 of computers 11:37 kaeza that was long ago :) 11:37 Guest60823 I hate when that happens. 11:37 Rhys11 Alright. 11:38 Rhys11 Well, I have this annoying bug on my Minetest 0.4.7. 11:38 Rhys11 Where all of the icons are different to the actual item. 11:38 Rhys11 Any things that can help? 11:38 sfan5 Rhys11: search in the forum 11:38 Rhys11 I have - nothing. 11:38 sfan5 there are like 50 topic about that problem 11:38 kaeza FSIYF? 11:39 Rhys11 Seriously? O_O 11:39 Jordach Rhys11: enable_texture_atlas = false 11:39 Rhys11 Alright. 11:39 Rhys11 Another problem: I have no minetest.conf. 11:39 Jordach (or you need more video memory; which was the case for many people using IGPs) 11:40 Rhys11 ... 11:41 kaeza yey chromium crash! \o/ 11:41 Rhys11 ... 11:41 kaeza ... 11:41 Rhys11 Anyways, any ideas? 11:41 kaeza [08:39:18] Rhys11: enable_texture_atlas = false 11:41 Rhys11 For a start, I need minetest.conf. 11:41 Jordach Rhys11: using windows or a linux distro 11:41 kaeza :| 11:42 Rhys11 Windows XP. 11:42 kaeza Rhys11, minetest.conf is autogenerated 11:42 Rhys11 I only have the EXAMPLE one. 11:42 kaeza have you looked inside bin\ ? 11:43 Rhys11 Ill take a look now - nope. 11:43 Rhys11 Nothing. 11:43 Rhys11 Just debug and minetest + all those files. 11:43 PenguinDad where is your minetest folder? 11:43 kaeza if not just open notepad, create a new file, add the line Jordach said, and save it as minetest.conf 11:43 Rhys11 In my documents, and ok kaeza 11:44 Rhys11 Is a text doc ok? 11:45 kaeza type "minetest.conf" (with quotes) in the filename field 11:45 Rhys11 Windows wont accept " 11:45 kaeza at least for notepad it does not matter what "file type" you select 11:45 Jordach and make sure you put "All files" 11:45 Rhys11 Ah. 11:46 Jordach in place of .txt (text document) 11:46 Rhys11 Is replacing the EXAMPLE file alright? 11:47 kaeza ... 11:47 * kaeza walks away 11:47 * Rhys11 drags kaeza back 11:47 Jordach Rhys11: that's a common problem 11:47 Jordach the .example conf isnt read 11:48 Rhys11 Fair enough 11:48 Rhys11 Now, lets see. 11:48 Rhys11 Still the same. 11:49 Jordach then it boils down to low video ram in your hardwar 11:49 Jordach e* 11:49 DanDuncombe What is wrong? 11:49 Rhys11 Icon Problem, Dan. 11:49 Rhys11 Well, I do have a 2005 laptop. D: 11:49 Calinou yes, too old 11:49 Rhys11 I blame my dad. 11:49 DanDuncombe I have had that bug since I started playing Minetest and I just put up with it. 11:49 Jordach heh 11:50 DanDuncombe Just do the inventory_image thing 11:50 Rhys11 He gave this c*** laptop for my 10th b-day. 11:50 Jordach Rhys11: the other alternative is just open INV, check which node it is 11:50 * Jordach once burned down a forest once in creative 11:50 Rhys11 I did, got that error I posted on the Icon Problem topic 11:50 reactor Hey. 11:50 Rhys11 But, uh... 11:50 Jordach i have a lava source, then accidentially dumped it :( 11:50 DanDuncombe The debug.txt error is what we need Rhys11 11:50 reactor How come Minetest uses port 30000? 11:51 Calinou or use a mod that replaces 3D previews with 2D images 11:51 Jordach reactor: it's just a big round number 11:51 Calinou but only works in single player 11:51 reactor It's not allowed to use ports 1-49152 without registration. 11:51 Calinou (or, edit source code so that 3D previews are never generated) 11:51 sfan5 wat 11:51 Calinou reactor: cool story bro 11:51 reactor services(5) 11:51 Calinou talk to RE/sauerbraten/minecraft/xonotic devs 11:51 DanDuncombe Rhys11: Delete debug.txt, run Minetest to get the error, post debug.txt 11:51 Rhys11 Alright. 11:51 Rhys11 IRC or the topic? 11:51 sfan5 the unprivileges ports go from 1-1024 not -49152 11:51 Jordach DanDuncombe: it's the wrong item in inventory bug that appears with blocks 11:52 DanDuncombe Put a pastebin link on the IRC 11:52 reactor sfan5: the unprivileged, yes 11:52 reactor sfan5: not the dynamic ones 11:52 sfan5 *privileged 11:52 DanDuncombe Jordach, the problem I am talking about is he tried to add inventory_image to everything but got an error 11:52 reactor sfan5: the file says the use of ports up to 49152 require registration by IANA. 11:52 Rhys11 Got no error. I re-installed Minetest after the error. 11:52 Jordach Rhys11: see that cache folder? bin it 11:53 reactor it's not a big problem, but as the project matures it may collide other programs using it 11:53 PenguinDad reactor: which file? 11:53 DanDuncombe Do you have the inventory_image thing added yet Rhys11 11:53 reactor PenguinDad: /etc/services in any recent UNIX. 11:53 Jordach (you will be downloading every file again!) 11:53 Rhys11 I did, but got that error, and re-installed to get rid of the error. 11:53 sfan5 reactor: who cares? Minecraft didn't register 25565 either 11:53 Rhys11 Then what Jordach? 11:53 DanDuncombe Well, do it for one node, and see if you get the error Rhys11 11:53 Jordach Rhys11: the client will download everyfile again 11:54 Rhys11 Ah. 11:54 Jordach which "should" clear it 11:54 reactor sfan5: ha, if someone doesn't respect the rules, why copy their mistake? 11:54 DanDuncombe Cache is downloaded server files 11:54 reactor screw Minecraft 11:54 Calinou 49152+ are sometimes used by clients 11:54 Calinou ephemeral ports 11:54 Rhys11 Hmf. 11:54 Rhys11 Still the same. 11:54 Rhys11 Alright Dan. 11:54 DanDuncombe Still the error? 11:54 Calinou Rhys11: try playing fullscreen 11:54 Calinou screenW = 1024 11:54 reactor Calinou: these don't require registration, yes 11:54 Calinou screenH = 600 11:55 Calinou fullscreen = 1 11:55 DanDuncombe Fullscreen doesn't work, I have tried it before 11:55 Calinou replace 1024 and 600 with screen width and height in pixels 11:55 reactor Calinou: it's not a problem if you collide above 49152 11:55 sfan5 reactor: Call of Duty, Battlefield, WoW don't have registered ports either 11:55 Rhys11 Always play full-screen 11:55 Calinou these are not good examples :P 11:55 Rhys11 :P 11:55 reactor sfan5: because they don't run on UNIX. 11:55 DanDuncombe I play fullscreen by pressing the fullscreen button 11:55 reactor shy should they care about the OS they don't support? 11:55 Rhys11 Exactimondo 11:55 reactor why* 11:55 sfan5 reactor: it has nothing to do with unix? 11:56 reactor Maybe with TCP then. 11:56 PenguinDad my /etc/services say nothing about a range of ports that must be registered :P 11:56 reactor And they're breaking the rules. 11:56 PenguinDad *says 11:56 reactor Commercialists are allowed to, for some reason. 11:56 * Rhys11 bangs his head on the table 11:57 DanDuncombe Rhys11 what is the problem 11:57 * Calinou bangs his graphics card on the table 11:57 Rhys11 Icon Problem. 11:57 kaeza reactor, oh no! we broke the rules! the economy will collapse! and all that apocalyptic shit! 11:57 Rhys11 Bad Computer. 11:57 kaeza seriously, how is this a big problem? 11:57 Rhys11 Could someone give me atleast £800 for a new one? :D 11:57 sfan5 reactor: just look at the Inofficial port of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers#Registered_ports 11:57 reactor kaeza: it's standards 11:57 Calinou if a rule isn't followed by anybody, it is probably not a sane rule 11:57 Rhys11 Well, kaeza, I dont exactly like this bug. 11:58 Rhys11 Well, thing. 11:58 Calinou standards are sometimes not followed, to reduce the amount of headaches 11:58 kaeza Rhys11, ahem... 11:58 Rhys11 Spill. 11:58 Calinou look at the way nvidia implements opengl, and the way web browsers implement HTML 11:58 kaeza I am talking to reactor... 11:58 Rhys11 Ah. 11:58 Rhys11 Sorry. 11:58 Rhys11 *Shy Face* 11:58 reactor if no one follows standards, the area turns in a mess 11:58 Calinou shy faces are so old, use fluttershy faces 11:58 Rhys11 *Fluttershy Face* 11:58 Calinou if everyone follows standards, people making aspirine get rich 11:59 reactor in a long run, they don't 11:59 reactor on the* 11:59 Rhys11 *o.o* 11:59 Calinou noone wants to be stuck 2 hours in front of code that doesn't work because of standards enforcement 11:59 sfan5 Wikipedia lists 635 unofficial port uses vs. 395 official ones (>= 1024) 11:59 reactor it's always short-term vs long-term profit 11:59 reactor by following standards you win long-term 11:59 Jordach reactor: IANA are a bunch of enforcing idiots; just like the W3C 11:59 sfan5 does it look like anyone is following the rule? 11:59 * Rhys11 wants money. 11:59 reactor because compatibility with your product is assured by standards 11:59 kaeza reactor, [08:57:40] seriously, how is this a big problem? 12:00 Calinou well, most programmers are lazy anyway, lol 12:00 kaeza in any case, you can see no one here cares 12:00 Jordach reactor: go complain in #debian 12:00 Rhys11 Even my hand dosent care. 12:00 Calinou >complaining >debian 12:00 Rhys11 D: 12:00 reactor Not that I give a shit. 12:00 Calinou Rhys11: that's what she said 12:00 reactor But eh. 12:00 * Calinou runs 12:00 Rhys11 D: 12:00 kaeza lol Calinou 12:00 Rhys11 Nice exercise, huh? 12:01 Jordach reactor: does this face of mine give two fucks about any internet standard? no. the internet is just a protocol, and why should protocol's be physically owned by people 12:01 Jordach turning the internet into a non-free zone is the *worst* possible thing to happen. 12:01 reactor If it's not owned by anyone, that doesn't mean you shouldn't conform it. 12:01 Rhys11 Just a question: What is the default settings for minetest.conf? 12:01 reactor That's how Internet appeared. 12:01 kaeza Rhys11, minetest.conf.example 12:02 Rhys11 Hmf. 12:02 reactor You wouldn't see the Internet without standards, seriously. 12:02 Rhys11 Its giving me all that text shit. 12:02 Calinou If it's not owned by anyone, that doesn't mean you shouldn't conform it. 12:02 Calinou +1 12:02 Jordach this is like patenting binary 12:03 reactor Standards are about compatibility, look what non-standard implementations have done to web development. 12:03 Jordach and? mozilla and chromium just implement them 12:03 reactor And become huge, unstable monsters. 12:03 Jordach ^ uses a text browser 12:03 * Rhys11 waits for help. 12:03 reactor That monopolise your machine's resources. 12:04 kaeza reactor, and Minetest is an important component of the WWW because...? 12:04 Calinou he does make a point, look at firefox/chromium compile times lol 12:04 reactor As a consequence, they become pwnable. 12:04 Jordach reactor: im running chrome right now and nothing has locked up! 12:04 Calinou but they are both fine on run time 12:04 Rhys11 Ill just look at laptops. :D 12:04 Rhys11 Is it a Windows bug, or my computer? 12:04 Calinou laptops are not good for gaming, by the wya 12:04 reactor Waiting two minutes for Firefox to load on a modern machine is NOT normal. 12:04 Calinou "gaming laptop" is an oxymoron 12:05 Jordach reactor: go back to your bsd channels; nobody here wants to give one fuck about your tiny problem 12:05 Calinou reactor: get a SSD, or a better HDD 12:05 Calinou 5400RPM HDDs aren't meant to put an OS on 12:05 Rhys11 They are like £80000. No way I am getting one. 12:05 reactor It's not about my hardware. 12:05 kaeza Jordach, DNFTT 12:05 Calinou it matters, a lot 12:05 Jordach kaeza: english 12:05 reactor It's about the software's lameness. 12:05 Rhys11 So, Windows bug or my comp? 12:05 Calinou Jordach: be nice to people 12:05 Jordach Rhys11: just a bug in general 12:05 reactor Rhys11: Windows _is_ a bug. 12:05 Calinou john_minetest: french military victories 12:05 Rhys11 Hmf. 12:06 Calinou have fun using linux on old hardware with old drivers 12:06 Rhys11 Well, thats just good, very good. 12:06 Calinou legacy drivers on linux are a PITA :P 12:06 Calinou hopefully I don't have to use any :P 12:06 Rhys11 Linux here we come... 12:06 reactor Legacy, as in? 12:06 Rhys11 Someone kill me already. -.-. 12:07 * kaeza kills Rhys11 12:07 reactor Rhys11: out of ammo. Try again later. 12:07 * Rhys11 's spirit enters the world 12:07 reactor *click-click* 12:07 Calinou reactor: legacy drivers are the drivers you use on old cards 12:07 Calinou the proprieatary ones 12:07 Rhys11 Lol. 12:07 reactor Calinou: as in? 12:07 Calinou nvidia drivers on 6000/7000s 12:08 Rhys11 xD 12:08 Calinou or AMD on 2000/3000/4000s 12:08 reactor Oh, that. 12:08 Rhys11 Alright. Whats the default settings for minetest.conf? 12:08 Calinou (too bad, the 4000s have decent performance by today's standards) 12:08 kaeza Rhys11, minetest.conf.example 12:08 reactor Well, any proprietary drivers are a pain. 12:08 Calinou lol 12:08 Rhys11 Thats algebra for me, kaeza. 12:08 Calinou reactor: true but nouveau still doesn't have reclocking for fermi/kepler 12:08 reactor Rhys11: algebra is easy. 12:08 reactor Rhys11: you just need to man up. 12:09 Rhys11 Hey hey, woah woah now. 12:09 reactor Calinou: yep 12:09 Rhys11 I hate algebra. 12:09 reactor Rhys11: that's why it hates you back 12:09 Rhys11 Hmf. 12:09 Rhys11 :3 12:09 reactor john_minetest: remove nouveau before 12:10 Rhys11 Ill just waste time on the wiki. 12:10 reactor I know one more oxymoron. 12:10 Jordach -oxy 12:10 reactor Sadly, its examples do exist. 12:10 reactor many of them. 12:11 reactor Rather not. 12:11 reactor A person not knowing mathematics. 12:11 reactor Because whoever doesn't know at least school math is not a person. 12:11 andersje reactor: you must love waldorf schools. 12:11 reactor Such people should be stoned, then buried alive. 12:12 Rhys11 That was easy. 12:12 reactor andersje: waldorf? 12:12 andersje !! 12:12 Rhys11 Bye. Time to eat some gravel. :D 12:12 reactor andersje: note I don't defend school system. 12:12 andersje an offshoot of the theosophical cult (they call themselves anthroposophists), they believe that children shouldn't be taught to read until they've lost their first tooth 12:12 andersje they also don't believe in the use of technological items, by children, before high school. 12:12 reactor andersje: oh; religion is taught ignorance. 12:13 andersje yes! 12:13 Calinou ITT: /r/atheism 12:13 reactor But kids shouldn't be allowed near technology. 12:13 Calinou they should 12:13 Calinou clever kids will eventually make their way and be smart with it 12:13 reactor Because they require special user interfaces. 12:13 andersje but they've successfully one at least one big lawsuit in california, which established that their religion was NOT a religion, so that public funding of their wingnuttery didn't violate the constitution 12:13 andersje calinou: yes, but that's no reason to hamstring them 12:13 reactor And they make manufacturers invent shit like GUI. 12:13 Jordach i learned most of my techniques from 14 years ago 12:13 reactor Which should die. 12:13 PenguinDad atheism FTW 12:14 andersje *pfft* 12:14 Calinou GUI isn't shit 12:14 andersje I was working on a command line when I was 7, programming basic. it was the only interface I had. 12:14 Calinou without GUI, there would be no PC games to begin with 12:14 reactor GUI is only good for games. 12:14 reactor And graphics editors. 12:14 andersje zork! 12:14 andersje imagemagick! 12:14 reactor Other stuff is fine without it. 12:14 Jordach reactor: continue like this and i'll slap a mute 12:15 Calinou try doing word processing on CLI and see :P 12:15 reactor Jordach: seriously, what have I said above that is not true? 12:15 reactor Calinou: TeX. 12:15 Jordach reactor: but nobody wants to hear it 12:15 Calinou word processing with rich formatting, that is 12:16 reactor Jordach: gotcha. 12:16 reactor Calinou: that's possible. 12:16 reactor You can view the documents later in a PDF viewer. 12:17 reactor or DVI viewer. 12:17 Calinou that's not convenient at all 12:17 reactor No need to see them while doing it. 12:17 Calinou there is 12:17 reactor Because the program will do the formatting without you having to bother. 12:17 Calinou you've never met people who make maps for quake or HL-based games 12:17 reactor In a consistent manner. 12:17 andersje wysiwyg _is_ easier to use for fancy-formatted stuff 12:17 Calinou they ALL want real time lighting previews or such 12:17 Calinou which is why cube 2 is so successful 12:17 Calinou because you have actual real time editing 12:17 Calinou and not maps to compile 12:17 reactor andersje: it's not; it makes you worry about fonts and styles. 12:18 reactor Calinou: don't compare an ass and a finger 12:18 PenguinDad WYSIWYM is better 12:18 reactor Exactle. 12:18 reactor s/e/y/ 12:18 Calinou reactor: why? 12:18 Calinou both involve content creation 12:18 reactor There's a nice editor called LyX, if you want to see almost what you'll get when you typeset it. 12:18 reactor But meh. 12:19 reactor Calinou: different content - different approaches. 12:19 PenguinDad yeah i like LyX 12:19 reactor if you're writing a thesis, you don't want to worry about consistent formatting instead of worrying about the content itself 12:19 Calinou if you're writing a thesis, the only formatting you use is bold, italic, and titles 12:19 reactor if you're making a map, well, you have to worry about these details 12:20 reactor well, I mean, little textures and objects and such 12:20 reactor Calinou: exactly 12:20 reactor that's why there's TeX. 12:20 reactor Because it automates. 12:22 Calinou pony* 12:23 andersje reactor: not for me. I would argue that MS Word makes you worry lots about fonts and styles, and it's the design of most GUI WPs that are the issue 12:23 andersje but I do see your point. 12:23 andersje in systems where the formatting can be consistently done w/o WYSIWYG, and it's not too cumbersome (e.g. dokuwiki), I prefer to work in markup-language style. 12:23 * andersje also prefers to use gvim to write HTML. 12:23 andersje oops, s/HTML/everything/g 12:23 PenguinDad plol 12:25 ruskie broken bot 12:27 DanDuncombe Is there any way of routinely giving every online person an item? 12:28 DanDuncombe In an abm that is 12:29 DanDuncombe Say, at noon each day, you get given 5 of an item assuming your inventory isn't full 12:29 reactor Eh?! 12:29 reactor ShadowBot: asshole. 12:29 andersje apparently, typing 90wpm has some disadvantages. 12:30 DanDuncombe How many comments do you think I can make before I get flood-banned? 12:30 Jordach Evergreen: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107056#p107056 12:30 reactor Pressing LF too often does. 12:30 reactor 5? 12:30 DanDuncombe a 12:30 DanDuncombe aa 12:30 DanDuncombe a 12:30 DanDuncombe a 12:30 DanDuncombe a 12:30 DanDuncombe a 12:30 DanDuncombe a 12:30 DanDuncombe a 12:30 DanDuncombe aaa 12:30 DanDuncombe a 12:30 DanDuncombe a 12:30 DanDuncombe a 12:30 DanDuncombe a 12:30 DanDuncombe a 12:30 reactor Aha. 12:30 Jordach notbad.png 12:30 reactor That's strange. 12:30 Calinou how useful, DanDuncombe 12:30 Evergreen Already saw it Jordach 12:30 andersje now the test is to see how much he has to delay his comments before the bot doesn't catch them. 12:31 Jordach could have said something 12:31 reactor andersje: my point is, people should learn to type instead of wacking the mouse all day long. 12:31 Jordach andersje: give 3-6 seconds 12:31 DanDuncombe That would be harder andersje 12:31 DanDuncombe a 12:31 DanDuncombe a 12:31 DanDuncombe a 12:31 andersje reactor: I agree completely. CLI is where it's at. 12:31 reactor I regret I didn't start learning computers from proper typing. 12:31 DanDuncombe Waiting 1 second gets you kicked 12:31 reactor :D 12:31 Calinou CLI and GUI are complements 12:32 reactor They're not. 12:32 reactor You don't need GUI to control torrents. 12:32 reactor Not at all. 12:32 Calinou file management via a GUI is faster for most tasks 12:32 andersje no, GUI is great for figuring things out the first time. But they're hard to automate 12:32 reactor Calinou: try Midnight commander. 12:32 Calinou (tip: use "single click to open files") 12:32 reactor Damn it. 12:32 andersje it could be argued that MC _is_ a GUI. 12:32 reactor GUI file managers can't typically bulk rename. 12:32 kaeza lol mc 12:32 reactor mc is fine 12:33 reactor for it completely relies on keyboard 12:33 Calinou minceraft 12:33 DanDuncombe Can someone make a server with my money mod? 12:33 andersje or are we defining "gui" as "advanced graphics mode which cannot include ASCII graphic characters" ? 12:33 reactor one could use mouse there, thoguh 12:33 reactor Calinou: no, mindnight 12:33 reactor s/nd/d/ 12:33 reactor damn it 12:33 andersje DanDuncombe: spin up a micro on amazon ec2 -- it's free for the first year. 12:33 reactor No, andersje. 12:33 kaeza lol minceraft, mindnight 12:33 reactor We're defining GUI by "heavily mouse-reliant mess". 12:33 andersje so gui == uses mouse? what about touchscreens? 12:33 andersje =) 12:34 reactor Then pointer-reliant. 12:34 kaeza Jordach, typo day! 12:34 reactor Garbage day. 12:34 DanDuncombe Touchscreens use virtual mice 12:34 Calinou touchscreens on a large screen make no sense 12:34 reactor DanDuncombe: that's technical details. 12:34 reactor Touchscreens make no sense. 12:34 reactor Because keyboard. 12:34 DanDuncombe A virtual mouse: http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/4u7s6S16icU/hqdefault.jpg 12:35 * andersje pictures an interactive map at a shopping mall, using a 42" touch screen 12:35 DanDuncombe Not even touchsreen 12:35 DanDuncombe This ^ is what they need at shopping malls- you don't touch it to use. 12:35 DanDuncombe !title 12:35 MinetestBot DanDuncombe: Document isn't HTML 12:35 DanDuncombe *Sigh* 12:35 Calinou I mean, on a PC 12:35 Calinou on "public" screens they are useful 12:36 DanDuncombe That is on a laptop 12:36 Jordach KINECT! 12:36 andersje =) 12:36 DanDuncombe Lol kinect fails sometime 12:36 * andersje continues to whittle away at arbitrary arguments 12:36 * Jordach and Jordach's mother had a discussion about milk first in tea or not 12:36 DanDuncombe Milk first FTW! 12:36 kaeza andersje, oh but flamewars are fun! 12:37 Jordach i ended up rapping: so you put the milk in first? now all you did was make the cup of tea worse 12:37 DanDuncombe MILK FIRST! 12:37 * kaeza looks at reactor 12:37 * Calinou attempts derailing topic to ponies 12:37 * DanDuncombe really wants the milk to go in first 12:37 reactor Meh. 12:37 reactor Fuck milk first vs tea first. 12:38 * andersje mumbles something about emacs vs vi 12:38 reactor It's the same when the diffusion is over. 12:38 reactor What's the problem? 12:38 kaeza andersje, no u 12:38 kaeza geany :> 12:38 Calinou andersje: emacs vs vi vs nano* 12:38 reactor But tea, if too hot, could break the glass. 12:38 DanDuncombe Unless it's a stone mug :) 12:38 * andersje snickers 12:38 kaeza obligatory: http://xkcd.com/378/ 12:39 reactor So I would pour milk first in glasses anyway. 12:39 reactor And in cups, it doesn't make any diff. 12:39 reactor I'm yet to see a cup exploding from boiling water. 12:39 reactor Or even a glass. 12:39 PenguinDad !title 12:39 MinetestBot PenguinDad: xkcd: Real Programmers 12:39 * Jordach programs by setting constants in the universe and the universe codes from that 12:41 kaeza LMAO https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107073#p107073 12:41 * reactor stares at kaeza 12:47 Jordach FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! 12:47 DanDuncombe Lol 12:48 reactor Screw CD, it's unreliable. 12:49 reactor Ever heard of DVD-R rot? 12:49 Jordach Real programmers use MSVC 12:49 DanDuncombe Real programmers use programming devices 12:49 reactor yeah. 12:49 reactor That shit needs to die. 12:49 Jordach like your beloved BSD 12:49 Jordach oh, and IANA 12:50 reactor I see thee green face. 12:51 thexyz Jordach: iana? 12:51 Jordach something reactor was moaning about (like usual) 12:52 reactor And you're now moaning about moaning. 12:52 reactor That's pathetic. 12:52 thexyz you mean, IANAL which means "I am not a lawyer"? 12:53 reactor iAnal. 12:53 Jordach reactor: Apple's new vibrating wonder 12:54 reactor I wonder how it looks. 12:54 Jordach white i presume, much like the people who buy it 12:54 Calinou that's probably a smaller version of the new mac pro 12:54 reactor Probably an iPhone in a penis-shaped rubber-covered case. 12:54 reactor Aha! 12:54 reactor That's why! 12:55 * Jordach high fives Calinou 12:55 reactor MacPro is probably for those who has already stretched with iPad. 12:55 Jordach plol! 12:55 Jordach iPoon* 12:55 reactor Or at least iPhone. 12:56 reactor Kirk Johnson will probably be the first purchaser of the new MacPro. 12:58 andersje reactor: I've shattered glasses with boiling water. 12:58 * Jordach wishes scientists stopped trying to make my iPod smaller and work on jetpacks 12:58 Calinou and underclocked hardware :inception face: 12:58 Calinou john_minetest: type cover, yes, touch cover, no 12:59 * Jordach would like a Surface Pro 12:59 reactor Hmm. 12:59 Calinou surface pro, the first tablet that makes noise 12:59 reactor I've got an idea for interesting conversation on #apple. 12:59 Calinou and pretty bad perf/price too 12:59 reactor "I've been masturbating with a MacPro, and now it won't come out." 13:00 reactor andersje: woah 13:03 andersje yeah. the older the glass, the more likely it is to go. 13:04 Jordach molten lava would freeze liquid tungsten 13:04 kaeza Jordach, beend reading what-if? :> 13:04 kaeza -d 13:04 Jordach -e* 13:04 andersje Jordach: what's the melting point of titanium? 13:05 Jordach not sure 13:05 * andersje googles 13:05 reactor hmm 13:05 reactor got an idea 13:05 Jordach 1,668 °C 13:05 reactor glass breaking after a while when contacting lava, ingame 13:06 andersje damn. 13:07 andersje it should just melt :) 13:07 reactor yep 13:07 nore so glass becoming lava too 13:08 reactor lava source? 13:08 DanDuncombe flowing 13:08 reactor oh 13:08 reactor probably yes 13:09 andersje nore: yeah. that's a good suggestion 13:09 * andersje thinks about that. 13:09 andersje should be codable 13:09 DanDuncombe SHouldd be very easy,just one abm surely? 13:09 reactor by the way 13:09 andersje lava-filled glass containers are a separate item, right? 13:09 reactor has java lumber stairs been implemented in Stairs? 13:09 andersje so would it work to put a countdown timer on that? 13:09 reactor damn 13:09 reactor jungle, I mean, 13:09 reactor java 13:10 reactor :( 13:10 andersje Javanese 13:10 reactor andersje: probably 13:10 reactor 5-10s 13:10 reactor idk 13:10 reactor solve heat transfer equation for better precision 13:11 DanDuncombe SO a one in ten chance of becoming flowing lava? 13:11 reactor oh, chance... hmm 13:11 reactor yes, randomness would be good 13:11 reactor one in a ten each ten seconds 13:12 reactor that would melt you 100 m^3 of glass per 100 seconds 13:12 reactor pretty realistic for lava 13:12 reactor no 13:12 reactor wrong 13:12 reactor hmm. 13:12 DanDuncombe U R flooding the chat :) 13:12 Jordach you're 13:13 DanDuncombe Ur 13:13 Jordach you're* 13:13 reactor with 10% chance... that would be, hmm. 13:13 DanDuncombe 1 in 10 chance evry 5 seconds 13:13 reactor yep. 13:13 reactor DanDuncombe: English. 13:14 DanDuncombe wot? 13:14 reactor then... uh, in a 1x1 tunnel filled with glass that would be 5 blocks in 5 seconds average 13:14 reactor wrong, again 13:14 andersje yeah, too fast. 13:14 reactor 5 blocks in 50 seconds* 13:14 andersje you want it to give a sense of confidence... 13:14 andersje make it take ten minutes to melt a block 13:14 reactor no, it's ok 13:15 * andersje wants to induce some "Oh, SNAP" situations 13:15 reactor yeah, would be cool 13:15 DanDuncombe iy cann specc prefic inglis. 13:15 reactor disappointlents for mad scientists building underlava labs 13:16 reactor obsidian glass would be heat-resistant glass? 13:17 kaeza random question: where are detached inventories stored? 13:17 PenguinDad obsidian itself is glass :P 13:17 reactor It is. 13:17 reactor But I mean ingame. 13:17 reactor And in reality, obsidian is black, can't see through it. 13:17 DanDuncombe You can polisg iy thoug 13:18 DanDuncombe *polish it though 13:18 PenguinDad depends on the obsidian 13:18 reactor Quite. 13:19 reactor Well, no matter hwo hard you polish it, it would become more shiny, not more transparent. 13:19 reactor There might be transparent obsidian, though. 13:19 DanDuncombe You can cut it thin too 13:20 reactor Yes. 13:20 reactor But eh. 13:20 reactor That would give you a rather dim glass. 13:20 reactor andersje: wait a sec... is glass block assumed to be empty inside, or solid glass? 13:20 reactor It looks empty to me. 13:21 sfan5 assumed empty 13:21 sfan5 IIRC 13:21 reactor If so, it would better look breaking instead of turning into lava. 13:21 andersje yeah, you'd need to come up with some sort of transparent material made out of something exotic...mese glass? we've established that mese doesn't melt in lava... 13:21 sfan5 most IRL glass is hollow 13:21 reactor look better* 13:21 reactor yes, sfan5 13:21 andersje reactor: all depends on the rate of heat transfer 13:21 reactor andersje: obsidian glass would do as heat-resistant glass eh 13:21 PenguinDad it must be hollow because you can fill flowing lava in it 13:21 andersje lava is often a poor conductor of heat 13:22 andersje so it could just cause the glass to flow and sag 13:22 andersje err, sag and flow 13:22 reactor hmm 13:22 andersje yeah, obsidian glass + mese chips ? :) 13:22 reactor well yes 13:22 reactor andersje: obsidian glass is already there 13:22 reactor or can obsidian melt? 13:22 andersje nah, it shouldn't 13:22 reactor I mean, ingame 13:22 andersje I was just thinking of an alternative all-temperature transparent block 13:23 reactor well, why not use obsidian glass for that lava-proof glass? 13:23 andersje but obsidian glass would be perfect 13:23 reactor yep 13:23 andersje and it's already there... 13:23 reactor yep 13:26 * andersje does like the idea of the sound of shattering glass, followed by lava flow.. 13:27 reactor Yep. 13:28 reactor I do think it shattering would look more dramatic. 13:28 reactor The magic of "oops". 13:28 reactor It silently drooping and melting would probably be left unnoticed by the user. 13:28 andersje right. 13:29 andersje and would cause more bug reports. 13:29 andersje "LAVA is LEAKING!" 13:29 reactor It would also be better to count the sides of the block exposed to lava. 13:29 reactor That would make holes spread more realistically. 13:29 * andersje nods 13:29 andersje damage = dmgvalue * num_exposed_sides 13:29 reactor Because if one glass breaks, other blocks will be exposed from more sides, leading to more chance of breaking, and so on. 13:30 reactor Yes, yes. 13:30 andersje would it make sense to add a damage type of "melty" ? 13:30 andersje or is there one? 13:30 reactor Probably not; it's safe to use the usual cracking. 13:30 reactor Glass shatter in a similar pattern eh. 13:30 * andersje nods 13:30 * andersje is just overthinking things 13:31 andersje so where would I even start implementing this? 13:31 reactor Meh, who has gotten anywhere without overthinking? 13:31 andersje you know... 13:31 andersje it might make sense to make it so only a lavasource can break glass 13:32 reactor Probably Hitler, but his empire collapsed. 13:32 andersje that way, a person doesn't have to worry about just a container of lava 13:32 andersje no, he overthought stuff ALL THE TIME. 13:32 reactor Hmm. 13:32 reactor container of lava 13:32 andersje the theory on lava-source thing being: non-source lava doesn't have a renewing source of heat 13:32 reactor Well, that would also prevent the hole-spreading algorithm from working. 13:32 andersje so it doesn't have enough oomph to destroy glass 13:32 reactor That would probably work well. 13:32 reactor Then... hmm. 13:33 andersje yeah, lava sources never spawn lava sources, do they? 13:33 andersje it'd be simpler to implement initially 13:33 reactor The higher the level of the flowing lava in the area, the more damage? 13:33 andersje well, for v1, I think just having a glass block fail would be sufficient. 13:33 andersje since most people won't have the foresight to double-wall 13:33 reactor yep 13:33 andersje and really, if you DID double-wall, there should be some sort of reward in it. 13:34 reactor longer to fail 13:34 reactor but fail eventually 13:34 andersje so I'd need to alter glass, to ensure that it's taking damage from contact with lava, right? 13:34 reactor because who builds lava containers from glass, not obsidian glass 13:34 andersje yeah, v1.1 or v2 will enhance the algorithm. 13:34 reactor mk 13:34 andersje ? 13:34 reactor I don't know, I would go with breaking from any lava in v1 13:35 reactor counting sides; then make it dependent on lava level, as you progress 13:42 * andersje will think about this. 13:49 andersje okay, I'm working in github. I've forked a project, I've made changes, I've committed and pushed my changes to my fork. 13:49 andersje how long until github shows that my fork is ahead of the one I forked from? 13:49 andersje is there something more I needed to do? 13:49 reactor I don't know anything about git eh. 13:50 thexyz andersje: what do you want? 13:50 thexyz to create a pull request? 13:51 andersje yeah... 13:51 andersje i need the guy who runs the master repo to pull my changes in 13:52 andersje but it says that I'm 0 commits ahead and 0 commits behind master 13:52 andersje so wtf? 13:52 PenguinDad master is the branch it isn't a repo 13:53 * andersje rephrases 13:53 thexyz there's that green button "compare & review" 13:53 thexyz select branch with your changes, then press it 13:53 andersje it's like my commit didn't take. 13:53 andersje okay 13:53 andersje yeah, green button was the secret sauce. 13:57 PenguinDad I like the 13:57 PenguinDad ProTip™ 13:57 PenguinDad at github 13:59 Lolidge Hey hey hey 14:00 Lolidge How are you all? 14:00 Lolidge Mhm, mhm, ok. 14:00 sfan5 hm? 14:00 Lolidge Lol, its me Rhys. 14:00 Lolidge When will I get the Guest Nick? 14:01 Rhys Hello, Im Rhys 14:01 Jordach Rhys: use /nick Jordach_ (it has no nick time expire) 14:01 Jordach mine doesnt have that 14:01 Rhys_ Identify... D: 14:02 Rhys_ D: D: D: 14:02 Guest16146 -.- 14:02 Jordach i can identify and get unaffiliated/jordach/ 14:02 Guest16146 Coolio. 14:02 Jordach when then gives me admin access to the bot 14:02 Jordach any other time, nope. 14:03 Guest16146 So, you can now? 14:03 Jordach try /nick Jordach_ 14:03 Jordach see, no timeout 14:03 Jordach_ There? :O 14:03 Jordach_ I see. 14:03 Jordach i have the silent identify flag on :P 14:03 Jordach_ So, how do I get a infinite time limit on Rhys? 14:03 Jordach Jordach_: that's the nick owner's choice 14:04 Jordach_ Ah. 14:04 Jordach try /nick rhy5 14:04 Jordach_ I want Rhys. xD. 14:04 rhy5 Wha? 14:04 Jordach no timeout? 14:04 rhy5 Nope 14:04 rhy5 Can I change to Rhys? 14:04 Jordach if a nick is owned, you cant take it 14:04 rhy5 Ah. 14:04 rhy5 Ill do this then. 14:04 Jordach Rhy5 would be better 14:05 Jordach (capital ftw) 14:05 Rhy5 You read my mind... 14:05 Rhy5 Thanks dude. 14:05 Jordach the lowercase nick also gets registered btw 14:05 Rhy5 So, anyways... About minetest.conf. 14:05 Rhy5 The notepad thing you told hasent worked out. 14:05 Jordach (btw, drop by #freenode and register the nick) 14:06 Rhy5 #freenode 14:06 Jordach a staff member with a + will help 14:06 Rhy5 Lol. 14:06 Rhy5 Alright. 14:06 Jordach just /join #freenode 14:06 PenguinDad /join #freenode 14:06 Jordach you will be moved to #freenode-unreg, but staffers are there too 14:15 Rhy5 Alright, so Ive registered, awesome 14:16 Rhy5 So, about me not having minetest.conf, how do I get it back? 14:16 PenguinDad I would call this good work: https://github.com/FredrikNoren/ungit 14:16 Rhy5 Hmf. 14:17 Rhy5 So: ^^^? 14:17 Rhy5 :3 14:18 Rhy5 How do I get minetest.conf back? 14:19 PenguinDad maybe throw a wet chicken at your computer? 14:24 PenguinDad [off] youtube can't remember the video resolution :( 14:32 Jordach dafuq 14:32 Jordach why do people insist on editing MINETEST.CONF.EXAMPLE 14:32 Jordach EXAMPLE CONF != minetest.conf 14:33 Jordach jesus CHRIST. 14:33 Jordach 14:33 PilzAdam Jordach, because shitdows doesnt display the .example 14:33 PilzAdam so they have a file called "minetest" and one called "minetest.conf" 14:33 Jordach not for me 14:33 PilzAdam do you use XP? 14:33 Jordach PilzAdam: 7 14:34 Jordach PilzAdam: suggestion, convert minetest.conf.example to conf_file_settings.txt 14:35 Jordach only THEN people will realise they've been doing it wrong. 14:35 Jordach think about that: how much time do we say to edit the file minetest and refer to conf_file_settings 14:36 Jordach s/say/save 14:36 nore only drawback I see is that it will break a ton of pull requests 14:36 Jordach and it would help people like rhy5 out considerably 14:37 PilzAdam Jordach, its not our fault if people cant use their file manager 14:37 Jordach nore: not really: create a file with the same contents 14:37 Jordach not modify 14:37 Jordach (so keep the old example until all the old pulls are no longer needed; not to mention pulling from master should delete the old one and add the new one) 14:37 nore git will be smart enough to detect it is the same file? 14:38 nore that has only be renamed? 14:38 nore +en 14:38 Jordach idk 14:39 Jordach PilzAdam: i prefer to call users who can't install mods technically hopeless 14:40 PenguinDad my friend is technically hopeless \o/ 14:42 kaeza nore AFAIK, yes 14:42 kaeza git detects renaming of files 14:43 nore ok 14:43 PilzAdam is this availible for RL? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7008 14:45 PenguinDad would be cool for RL 8) 14:47 Jordach that should be in minetest's builtin 14:48 Jordach allow_guests = true / false 14:54 * Jordach is working on fauna props for blender 14:55 Jordach fun fact: there is > 500% vitamin b12 in my system :P 14:56 PenguinDad O_O 14:56 Jordach my damn energy drink 14:56 Jordach > 100g of sugar 14:56 Jordach (greater than) 14:58 Jordach PenguinDad: > 500% gda even. 14:58 andersje jesus. 14:59 andersje doesn't that hurt your pancreas? 14:59 Jordach nope. 14:59 andersje sugar will kill you dead. 14:59 Jordach andersje: i dont get hungry 14:59 Jordach if i eat at 7am, i get hungry 12 hours later 15:00 PilzAdam and if you eat 8am? 15:00 PenguinDad my friend will die early 15:00 Jordach i eat in 12 hour slots 15:01 Jordach PenguinDad: my father was clinically dead: he ahd 13% oxygen in his blood a few years back 15:01 Jordach had* 15:01 VanessaE oops 15:01 Jordach lol 15:01 VanessaE that ctrl-w was for another window damn it 15:01 VanessaE well so much for reading the scrollback. hi all 15:02 reactor ? 15:02 andersje fwiw, I used to be able to eat anything -- any quantity, any food, didn't matter: low cholesterol, low blood pressure, lean, fit. 15:02 andersje then 4 years ago, i developed type 1 diabetes 15:02 andersje ugh. 15:02 rubenwardy Hi all 15:02 Jordach andersje: i space my meals out over 6-12 hours 15:03 reactor sfan5: by the way, how's the patch? 15:04 reactor rsiska: where's lsiska? 15:21 sfan5 reactor: you mean the x direction patch? 15:29 reactor sfan5: the Z direction patch. 15:29 reactor X was fine. 15:34 * Evergreen is back 15:35 Calinou wayland is better. 15:35 Calinou mir is even better. 15:36 PenguinDad good joke Calinou :D 15:47 kaeza hrm... I don't understand this find_path() thing 15:49 rubenwardy cmake? 15:49 kaeza anyone knowledgeable enough can tell me if I'm doing something wrong? http://pastebin.com/E3ZTwhw4 15:49 kaeza no, MT 15:49 rubenwardy ok 15:49 rubenwardy Is that new? 15:49 kaeza it gives me tons of "ERROR[ServerThread]: invalid startposIndex: (15,16,15)Realpos: (-64,3,-152)" 15:51 kaeza find_path() is been in there for some time 15:51 NekoGloop "NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released" orly 15:51 NekoGloop 'cause that's not news to anyone 15:52 VanessaE might be ro redcrab ;) 15:52 VanessaE to* 15:53 kaeza NekoGloop, wat 15:53 kaeza afternoon V 15:53 VanessaE hey 15:55 Calinou hi 15:57 PenguinDad Use google translator: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107082#p107082 16:01 andersje VanessaE: do you need me to file a pull request on github with those stained glass changes? 16:01 VanessaE naw, I can just pull the changes I think 16:01 VanessaE you ready for it? 16:02 NekoGloop Oh, right, I was working on scaffolding for gloopblocks. 16:02 NekoGloop (You can rightclick the bottom scaffolding with scaffolding to extend it upwards) 16:03 VanessaE you should squash all those changes into one commit 16:03 andersje okay, I'll figure that out. 16:03 sfan5 reactor: you didn't give me an z direction path 16:03 sfan5 *patch 16:03 andersje I tested on my worlds with stained glass in them, and all the old ones were fine 16:03 VanessaE git rebase -i HEAD~9 16:03 andersje thx 16:03 VanessaE change all but the first 'pick' to 's' 16:03 VanessaE save 16:04 VanessaE make a new commit message in the next editor 16:04 VanessaE save 16:04 VanessaE git push -f 16:04 VanessaE at least, that's how I do it. others recommend 'f' instead of 's' but I don't know what the difference is in practice :) 16:05 sfan5 VanessaE: f (aka fixup) discards the commit messages, s (aka squash) puts all commit messages in the resulting commit 16:05 VanessaE ahh 16:06 VanessaE in that case I'll continue to 'squash'. I usually have some use for the to-be-discarded msgs 16:10 VanessaE andersje: also, your changes to UD aren't needed. those aliases are already defined ( https://github.com/VanessaE/unifieddyes/blob/master/init.lua#L351 ). 16:11 andersje yep, ditch 'em entirely 16:11 andersje I'd dump my fork of your code if I knew how 16:11 VanessaE cd unifieddyes; git reset --hard 9ea646950698a78529ced222dd91e26a22178d44; git push -f 16:12 VanessaE that'll reset yours back to where mine is. keep it around for later. 16:13 VanessaE ok, my fork of stained glass is updated to match yours. 16:14 andersje found how to delete the fork of your unifieddyes repo :) 16:14 andersje I'll fork it again if i ever need to make changes 16:15 VanessaE ok 16:16 andersje Evergreen: thx for the link to your trashcan mod 16:28 andersje I'm playing with the bags mod, the one cornernote made...and I don't like the sticks being used in the medium and big bags...I'm thinking of replacing them with steel ingots, to represent a rigid framework. 16:30 VanessaE I don't even use bags, other than it being part of Unified Inventory in technic 16:30 VanessaE (which, btw, can be installed as a separate, standalone mod) 16:30 * andersje nods 16:30 andersje ah, if it's just me, then, I'll tinker away 17:22 PenguinDad woof Dogzilla131 17:24 Dogzilla131 Hi :) 17:25 LazyJ Howdy :) 17:27 VanessaE hey LazyJ 17:28 LazyJ Hullo! 17:28 Evergreen Anyone like my answer to how to register ores? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107107#p107107 17:29 Evergreen I should file that somewhere, so the next times someone asks, I'll have it 17:29 LazyJ One more night, and then it's the weekend! I party by turning off the alarm clock and phone. Yup, I'm a wild one. :)- 17:29 Evergreen *time 17:29 Jordach SWEET RAVE PARTY! 17:30 * Jordach grabs the booze 17:31 Calinou booze is abd 17:31 Calinou bad* 17:31 Jordach Calinou: by that logic, everything is bad 17:31 PenguinDad is there something like uglifier for LUA? 17:31 andersje everything is bad. just ask the WCTU 17:33 VanessaE LazyJ: wow, that's some party! 17:33 VanessaE I bet you even break out the milk and corn flakes! :D 17:34 LazyJ Aye, it's the party life of old-fartdom. 17:34 VanessaE Calinou: still waiting for you to provide that suggested new grass image (only need the 512px size) :P 17:34 PenguinDad !dev PseudoRandom 17:34 MinetestBot "A pseudorandom number generator." - http://dev.minetest.net/PseudoRandom 17:35 Jordach sudorandom 17:36 * Jordach is making replicas of minetest fauna in blender 17:37 VanessaE bash: sudorandom: command not found 17:37 VanessaE :P 17:38 Jordach fuck minetest, i'll play it in blender :P 17:42 VanessaE bbl 17:43 PenguinDad nobody has answered my question :( 17:43 Calinou uglifier? 17:43 Calinou also it's Lua not LUA 17:44 PenguinDad sorry 17:44 PenguinDad i mean something like this https://github.com/mishoo/UglifyJS2 for Lua 17:51 reactor sfan5: I did give it. 17:59 Jordach now leaf me alone, will ya? http://i.imgur.com/ZjkNykf.png 18:00 sfan5 Jordach: I got Debian squeeze on my Wii now, I'll see if I can get Minetest running on it 18:00 kaeza PenguinDad, obfuscator? 18:00 Jordach sfan5: what tech DONT YOU have 18:01 sfan5 Jordach: I don't have a Playstation and I don't have an XBox 18:01 sfan5 nice render BTW 18:01 Jordach sfan5: the blender worlds are coming 18:02 Jordach (building in blender is faster than with worldedit) 18:04 Jordach i had bacon bagels today 18:04 Jordach and i said bacon sandwiches 18:05 Jordach sfan5: minetestserver builds on the wii 18:05 Jordach Zeg9 did so 18:05 Jordach also: pics or it didnt happen :P 18:06 sfan5 eh 18:06 * jin_xi is watching nethack speedrun 18:07 reactor ? 18:08 Calinou speedhack netrun 18:08 Jordach speedhack speedrun 18:08 jin_xi its a turnbased game, usually a quick ascension (win) is around 20k turns, this guy aims for the low 2000s 18:08 reactor nethack netrun 18:13 reactor Rather, netbsd speedbsd. 18:16 DanDuncombe Does anyone have any positive suggestions for my currency mod? 18:18 DanDuncombe Hellooooooo? 18:18 reactor That's you. That's how DUMB you sound. 18:18 DanDuncombe Mmhm 18:18 sfan5 just wait for someone to reply 18:18 reactor I mean, it's passive-aggressive time. 18:18 DanDuncombe Mmhm 18:18 reactor Nothing personal. 18:18 DanDuncombe Mmhm 18:18 reactor mmm hhh mmm 18:19 DanDuncombe Mmhm 18:19 reactor Woah. 18:19 DanDuncombe Mmhm 18:19 reactor DanDumbcode 18:19 Jordach mhm 18:19 reactor Uses computers. Gets pwned by computers. 18:20 reactor I rest my case. 18:20 DanDuncombe Mmhm 18:20 reactor Is this the only word you know? 18:20 DanDuncombe Mmhm 18:21 reactor Oh. I see. You were abused back in childhood? 18:21 DanDuncombe Mmhm 18:21 reactor Tell me more about it. 18:21 DanDuncombe I'm havin' a barbeque tonight 18:21 reactor Oh, nice. 18:22 reactor So, you used to play with your poo back in childhood? 18:22 DanDuncombe It is grey, overcast and dusty right now. 18:22 DanDuncombe The sky I mean 18:22 sfan5 eh 18:22 DanDuncombe Do ya have any currency mod suggestions? 18:23 DanDuncombe *you 18:23 sfan5 no 18:23 DanDuncombe OK 18:23 reactor I do. Call the currency reichmarks. 18:23 DanDuncombe No 18:24 DanDuncombe They are called Minegelds and that is fact 18:24 reactor Add toilet paper blocks. 18:25 DanDuncombe A diamond block is around 450Mg 18:25 DanDuncombe *Minegelds,not Milligrams 18:25 reactor M = Mega 18:25 DanDuncombe I love BBQ too 18:25 reactor megagrams, pff 18:25 DanDuncombe MegaGrans? 18:25 DanDuncombe *Megagrams 18:25 reactor That's tons. 18:26 reactor I doubt a diamond block would really be 450 T in mass. 18:26 DanDuncombe 450 of money 18:26 reactor Maybe some overcompressed matter from neutron stars' core would. 18:27 reactor But not diamond. 18:27 reactor Of monkey? 18:27 reactor You're compressing 450 monkeys into the volume of 1x1x1 m block? 18:27 DanDuncombe Super Gran http://www.sabotagetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/Super-Gran.png 18:27 reactor Call the police, we've got animal abuse.! 18:28 sfan5 !c 24+64 18:28 MinetestBot 88 18:28 DanDuncombe Mega-Gran=Super-Gran 18:29 reactor gram* 18:29 kaeza tram* 18:29 DanDuncombe *bam 18:29 PenguinDad *slam 18:29 DanDuncombe It would be call if the IRC could directly display pictures 18:29 reactor islam 18:29 kaeza iSlam* 18:30 reactor Ha. 18:30 kaeza the new Apple religion 18:30 reactor The new hate stick from Apple. 18:30 reactor It's vibrating!(tm) 18:32 reactor As mentioned earlier, there's another new toy from Apple. 18:32 reactor iAnal, the somewhat downscaled version of MacPro. 18:32 DanDuncombe What is this guy confused about? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107129#p107129 18:32 reactor His sexual orientation, probably. 18:33 DanDuncombe Mebbe he's bi 18:33 reactor Because a safe would store data somewhere, too. 18:34 DanDuncombe !seen Gizmokid2005 18:34 MinetestBot DanDuncombe: Sorry, I haven't seen gizmokid2005 around. 18:34 reactor Maybe, or maybe now, but he's definitely dumb. 18:34 reactor s/now/not/ 18:34 DanDuncombe reactor: They would need to work out exactly which chest they want to edit. 18:34 reactor Probably. 18:34 reactor But eh. 18:34 DanDuncombe It is safer 18:35 Evergreen Yeah, it is physical currency, not some data in a text file somewhere 18:35 Evergreen If you put it in a locked chest, it is safe for life 18:35 reactor yep 18:35 DanDuncombe And they probably wouldn't bother trawling through a 2gb map.sqlite to find the safe 18:35 reactor so what's that guy's point? 18:35 DanDuncombe The safe functions as a locked chest. 18:36 reactor hmm 18:36 reactor sqlite 18:36 reactor they're binary files? 18:36 DanDuncombe No idea 18:36 Evergreen No, there are editors for .sqlite files 18:36 DanDuncombe I tried opening one with Np++ and I got a load of nul files 18:36 reactor If they're ACSII, which is unlikely, grep and some time. 18:36 DanDuncombe *nul symbols 18:37 DanDuncombe So the admin would have to download a special sqlite editor then find the correct node and edit it. I doubt they would bother. 18:37 reactor So, not ASCII. 18:37 Gizmokid2005 DanDuncombe: ? 18:38 DanDuncombe Gizmokid2005, I was testing MinetestBot's seen function. 18:38 reactor meh download 18:38 Gizmokid2005 ahh. 18:38 DanDuncombe I just picked a random name. 18:38 DanDuncombe Apparently you don't exist according to MinetestBot's seen function. 18:39 Gizmokid2005 !seen Gizmokid2005 18:39 MinetestBot Gizmokid2005: gizmokid2005 was last seen at 2013-08-23 18:35:58 UTC on #minetest 18:39 Gizmokid2005 it's because I hadn't said anything since it joined. 18:39 DanDuncombe It didn't work earlier, before you started talking 18:39 PenguinDad !seen PenguinDad 18:39 MinetestBot PenguinDad: penguindad was last seen at 2013-08-23 18:27:20 UTC on #minetest 18:39 Gizmokid2005 it's because I didn't have any chat in the channel 18:39 Gizmokid2005 for MinetestBot to know that I was actually here. 18:39 DanDuncombe Probably 18:39 Gizmokid2005 most of those bots don't go off of a /whois list, just a privmsg history. 18:40 DanDuncombe Yeah 18:40 Gizmokid2005 just had to make sure you didn't actually need me for anything :) 18:40 DanDuncombe Nope 18:40 DanDuncombe Sorry for disturbing you 18:40 Gizmokid2005 cool beaners. No worries fine sir :) Back to your regularly scheduled programming 18:41 DanDuncombe Yep 18:45 kaeza [15:35:40] And they probably wouldn't bother trawling through a 2gb map.sqlite to find the safe 18:45 kaeza suddenly: admin pickaxe :> 18:45 kaeza err... wrong quote 18:45 PenguinDad or WorldEdit :> 18:46 kaeza but anyway, you cannot hide anything from admins 18:46 reactor when will worldedit implement setting stairs rotation data via commands? 18:46 reactor and slab position data? 18:46 Calinou when BSD gets systemd 18:47 reactor fuck systemd 18:47 reactor it's gay 18:47 kaeza and fake 18:47 reactor rc kicks its sorry ass on daily basis 18:47 Calinou kaeza: no that's bumpmapping 18:48 reactor dump mapping 18:51 thexyz 22:46 < reactor> | it's gay 18:51 thexyz that's what i call an argument 18:53 reactor mount: invalid argument 18:56 thexyz so do you have anything constructive to say? 18:57 thexyz about why systemd sucks 18:59 reactor Well, why reinvent the bicycle if the old rusty one is doing its job just fine? 18:59 Calinou it's slower, less efficient 18:59 Calinou that's like saying "why reinvent X" or "why reinvent BIOS" 18:59 reactor Seriously, why reinvent X? 19:00 reactor BIOS does need replacement, however. 19:00 reactor Because the whole x86 arch needs replacement. 19:00 Calinou X is insanely inefficient 19:00 Calinou compare it to the way windows does display server 19:00 Calinou wayland and mir will finally bring it to the windows level 19:00 Calinou eg. not blocking alt+tab on most games 19:00 Calinou it isn't 19:00 Calinou secure boot is 19:00 Calinou blame MS 19:00 thexyz what's the problem with UEFI? 19:00 reactor By the way. Wayland. 19:00 Calinou (and castrated mobos; actual mobos don't have secure boot) 19:00 reactor Hmm. 19:01 reactor I heard it's actually good. 19:01 Calinou just disable it :P 19:01 reactor A rework of X? 19:01 Calinou X by itself is inefficient 19:01 Calinou noone had a GPU when it was created 19:02 reactor Now, UNIX folks don't have a GPU, either. Because all drivers are closed :(. 19:03 reactor GNU will never be. 19:03 reactor It's a clone. A parody. 19:03 Calinou ^ 19:04 reactor Often clones are better than the original product. That's not the case with GNU, however. 19:04 Calinou they never are 19:04 Calinou but often are "good enough" 19:04 reactor I haven't tried Hurd, but GNU userland is crap. 19:04 Calinou HURD IS TURD 19:04 Calinou --BO$$ 19:05 reactor And Linux kernel is quite a whale, too. 19:05 thexyz reactor: and what's good then? 19:05 Calinou gcc is 2× slower than MSVC to compile ogre 19:05 reactor They're rather an exception than a rule. 19:05 reactor thexyz: BSD userland. 19:06 reactor But MSVC stuff is unportable. 19:06 Calinou yes 19:06 Calinou still is way slower 19:06 Calinou thus, you need a 2× faster CPU for same compile time 19:06 reactor Yes. 19:06 thexyz reactor: do you use it? 19:06 Calinou so, FOSS turns out to be as expensive 8) 19:07 reactor thexyz: Eh? 19:07 thexyz reactor: *bsd 19:07 reactor thexyz: why not. 19:07 Calinou john_minetest: fun fact: steve ballmer left MS 19:07 reactor I do. 19:07 thexyz hm 19:07 thexyz do you dualboot windows? 19:07 reactor No. 19:07 reactor Never happening. 19:07 thexyz hm, odd 19:07 reactor I've been there. 19:08 thexyz what *bsd are you using by the way? 19:08 reactor It's over. 19:08 reactor NetBSD. Why? 19:08 thexyz just curiosity 19:08 thexyz in what ways is its userland better than GNU? 19:09 reactor Oh. I'm curious, too. About your early childhood. So, you used to be into peeping back in your childhood. 19:09 reactor That's embarassing. 19:09 thexyz yeah it is 19:09 reactor john_minetest: no. 19:09 reactor But have you got something to tell me? 19:10 thexyz I'm not sure if that was an insult though 19:10 kaeza Calinou, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107134#p107134 19:11 thexyz reactor: please, answer the question 19:11 Calinou kaeza: :| 19:13 DanDuncombe Help?https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107136#p107136 19:14 reactor I'm back. thexyz: the quality of source code. 19:14 reactor The portabilty. 19:14 reactor And ease of maintenance. 19:14 reactor The latter two come out of the former one. 19:15 thexyz oh 19:15 reactor less bugs 19:15 DanDuncombe Which is correct? stack_max = 100000, or stack_max = "100000", 19:15 reactor better documentation, as consequence 19:15 thexyz that doesn't look like a sort of problem typical user will encounter 19:15 reactor ^ 19:15 DanDuncombe If I want a craftitem to be 'super-stackable' 19:15 thexyz I'm not sure about "less bugs" and "better documentation" though 19:15 reactor Documentation is a problem for GNU. 19:16 Calinou DanDuncombe: the first one 19:16 Calinou also, you can't stack above 65535 19:16 DanDuncombe Okay, thanks 19:16 Calinou so just put 65535 19:16 reactor End users don't know what they want. 19:16 Calinou they want AAA games of course 19:16 reactor So they're out of the equation. 19:16 reactor Mostly. 19:17 reactor I'm not talking about really experienced users, though. 19:17 reactor These do. 19:17 DanDuncombe Calinou, I have added it, but how do I actually get it to stack above 99? 19:17 reactor But they are also able to contribute something. 19:20 Calinou DanDuncombe: not sure if that's possible, apart from using /give :/ 19:20 DanDuncombe Oh. sfan5, with stack_max, can you actually, without /giveme, stack above 99? 19:20 DanDuncombe Or PilzAdam 19:21 sfan5 DanDuncombe: yes 19:21 DanDuncombe sfan5, how? 19:21 sfan5 but fucking stop highlighting random people 19:21 PilzAdam DanDuncombe, can you explain to me why ShadowBot kicks you so often? 19:21 sfan5 /giveme 19:21 DanDuncombe Without /giveme 19:21 Calinou PilzAdam: implement ~roulette in ShadowBot for more kicks 19:22 Calinou and ~judge 19:22 DanDuncombe This is the code for the craftitem I am trying to 'super-stack' http://pastebin.com/AkfBKfV4 19:23 jin_xi you could make another craftitem, a stack of gelds, or bills or such. then users can put 99 of those in therir inv, but surely you could have it display the number of coins, not stacks/notes whatever 19:24 DanDuncombe I suppose. So you can make a 'pile of minegelds' and with them make 'big pile of minegelds' 19:24 sfan5 Calinou: what does ~judge do? 19:25 Calinou join #redeclipse and see :P 19:25 sfan5 nah 19:26 DanDuncombe Is it possible to make an item legitimately stack above 99 then? 19:27 DanDuncombe Without resorting to 'bunches of Minegelds' 19:27 DanDuncombe Also, in a craft,is it possible to make an item be used in the craft, but not be 'used up', so you get it back after crafting? 19:28 jin_xi rtfm 19:28 Calinou saying rtfm isn't nice 19:28 Calinou don't say anything if you don't know 19:29 DanDuncombe Okay, what is the ACTUAL max number in a stack? 65535 is too high it seems 19:29 Jordach DanDuncombe: item_stack 19:29 Calinou try 1000 19:29 DanDuncombe 1000 does work 19:29 reactor Saying to RTFM _is_ nice. 19:29 Jordach nah, 5000 is enough 19:29 Jordach or at least 9001 19:29 DanDuncombe Okay 19:29 reactor (I assume when quality documentation is present) 19:29 reactor (Which is not the case with GNU) 19:29 DanDuncombe 10000 works.. 19:30 thexyz reactor: saying rtfm doesn't contribute anything to the discussion 19:31 reactor It does. It gives you psychological profits. 19:31 Calinou if you want to help, search for them. 19:31 reactor Beside, it's nice to remind people to use their eyes and grep sometimes. 19:32 jin_xi well, i said it because the last q about replacements in recipes is soo basic and i said it to someone who spams questions. idk whats it come to when calinou tells me what is nice and what not 19:32 Calinou mir is nice, wayland is not 19:32 jin_xi but yeah should had spelled it out 19:32 reactor IRC and mailing lists are for the case you've already read the manual. 19:32 thexyz I think you either should help or keep silent, and "rtfm" doesn't help 19:32 jin_xi go0 read the fucking manual, imbecile 19:32 reactor So are support lines. 19:32 DanDuncombe Okay, in the next currency mod release, you can only have 30,000 Minegelds in a stack. 19:32 DanDuncombe That is a couple of thousand off the max I think 19:32 reactor "I'm all right, Jack, keep your hands off my stack!" 19:33 DanDuncombe :) 19:33 reactor 32768 19:33 reactor Hope they don't screw it up like Ubutu. 19:33 reactor Ubuntu* 19:34 reactor The last Ubuntu I could think of as a nice OS was 9. 19:34 reactor It's all downhill since. 19:34 DanDuncombe Any other suggestions for Currency 0.3? 19:34 reactor Yes. Reichmarks. 19:34 DanDuncombe So far: Big stacks, errrrrm. That's it. 19:34 reactor I'm kidding. 19:35 reactor Stacks of stacks, probably? 19:35 reactor And then stacks of stacks of stacks? 3000^3? 19:36 DanDuncombe 30,000 stacks, of stacks, of stacks, of stacks? 19:36 reactor Yes. 19:36 reactor Ha. 19:36 reactor Well, money do often cure illness in our world. 19:37 Calinou ^ 19:37 Calinou money is way better if it's off-hand 19:37 DanDuncombe 810000000000000000 Minegelds in my stack of stack of stack of stack 19:37 DanDuncombe No. Minegelds 19:38 reactor Minekrauts 19:38 reactor Mein Gelds. 19:38 reactor :D 19:38 Calinou BSDmarks 19:38 PenguinDad never place sand at the bottom of the world because this happens: suspiciously large amount of objects detected: 1666 in (0,-1933,0); removing all of them. 19:38 Calinou mein gelds 19:38 reactor Minenmarks 19:38 * Calinou runs 19:38 DanDuncombe I have decided it will be called Minegelds, actually 19:38 reactor psychedelic! 19:39 * reactor stares at Calinou running 19:39 DanDuncombe psychedelicamarkamajigwatsitmahoozits 19:39 PenguinDad "Meine Kohle" 19:39 * Calinou is french 19:40 reactor Minenmarks would do. 19:40 * PenguinDad is german 19:40 reactor Minenmarken* 19:40 * DanDuncombe is... is... is... errm, does anyone know what nationality I am? 19:40 reactor Well. I could guess. 19:40 Calinou UK 19:40 reactor Since you're making a currency, 19:41 reactor youknowwhatImean.jpg 19:42 PenguinDad why Lua why no LOLCODE? :P 19:45 jin_xi woah, speed run took 2130 turns! 19:45 DanDuncombe Okay, so currency 0.3 will have: max 30,000 Mg in a stack, inventory image for barter table, basic income 1Mg per day 19:46 Calinou john_minetest: they won't 19:46 DanDuncombe And only if you dig at least one node in that day 19:46 Calinou afaik, they use EGL 19:46 Calinou so they require it 19:46 PenguinDad john_minetest: where did you read that? 19:46 Calinou harshlinux 19:47 PenguinDad xD 19:47 reactor Arsch Linux 19:47 reactor As in, ass 19:47 reactor There's also 19:47 reactor that 19:47 reactor Crunchbang 19:47 reactor Church bang. 19:47 reactor Or crutch bang. 19:47 reactor Oh nice. 19:48 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/q9oB0G6.png testing 19:48 reactor ShadowBot: what are you looking at, you wanker? 19:48 Jordach reactor: watch it 19:48 * reactor dusts their labcoat. 19:48 reactor Jordach: I am watching it, pretty impressive. 19:48 DanDuncombe Anymore feature ideas for 0.3 Currency? 19:49 reactor Oh, that. Pardon. 19:50 PenguinDad Jordach: good 19:50 reactor DanDuncombe: denomination 19:50 reactor Or how is it called? 19:50 Jordach default:fence_wood 19:50 reactor inflation* 19:50 DanDuncombe reactor What is this 'denomination'? 19:50 reactor inflation, that 19:51 reactor My bad EnGlitch. 19:51 DanDuncombe Ah, inflation. That is up to the players and the prices they set :) 19:51 PenguinDad Jordach: the fence looks better than ingame 19:51 Jordach PenguinDad: what parts 19:52 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/VE5oMBQ.png. 19:52 reactor Minetest does need stone fence. 19:52 Calinou very easy to add 19:52 Calinou now, try getting it in upstream :P 19:52 reactor I guess... wood model, stone texture. 19:52 PenguinDad reactor: install my mod :P 19:52 reactor I don't know eh. 19:53 reactor PenguinDad: I will look into it tomorrow... it's pretty late here eh 19:53 reactor PenguinDad: how's it called? 19:53 PenguinDad morefences 19:53 Calinou fencelike drawtype 19:53 reactor PenguinDad: mk 19:53 reactor What is drootoop? 19:54 reactor A medicine? 19:54 PenguinDad reactor: here's the link https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6649 19:55 Jordach PenguinDad: shaded fence: http://i.imgur.com/jnYdhfh.png 19:57 reactor Coloured fences, nice! 19:57 * PenguinDad gives Jordach a virtual cookie for the good work 19:58 Jordach Jordach:hate_public_appreciation(true, 74) 19:59 * DanDuncombe takes Jordach's publicly appreciated cookie and eats it 19:59 Jordach fine by me 20:00 DanDuncombe Yay 20:00 DanDuncombe Nom Nom Nom... 20:00 reactor Cookies in the evening. There's no better way to get fat. 20:00 DanDuncombe I will go for a bit. 20:24 LazyJ Calinou, does bumpmapping work with your conversion of Misa texture pack? 20:24 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/2myV9Bu.png 20:24 Calinou there is no bumpmapping in misa 20:24 Calinou so I never generated bumpmaps 20:24 Calinou on top of that it increases pack size 20:25 LazyJ Ah, so bumpmapping is something that has to be added to the graphics, it's not something that is applied later. 20:27 LazyJ Ok, thanks. I'll disable bumpmapping in minetest.conf if it isn't doing anything. 20:29 Ilikeminecraft Sup? 20:30 PenguinDad soup? 20:30 Ilikeminecraft Carrot soup 20:30 sfan5 !op 20:30 Ilikeminecraft So... 20:30 Jordach wb LM 20:31 Ilikeminecraft LandMine? 20:31 Ilikeminecraft colse enough 20:31 Ilikeminecraft *close 20:31 reactor Landmines would be cool. 20:31 sfan5 Jordach: iplist.txt can almost confirm you 20:31 reactor So would tripwires, boobytraps and other things. 20:32 PenguinDad there's a mod for landmines 20:32 Ilikeminecraft Indeed 20:32 Ilikeminecraft So, what's so great about this ripoff? 20:32 reactor it's not a ripoff 20:33 reactor Minecraft wasn't even the first game of the genre. 20:33 Ilikeminecraft Open-source ripoff 20:33 VanessaE minetest is based on MC and is no more a ripoff than MC is, which is based on Infiniminer. 20:33 thexyz it's inspired by, not based 20:33 Ilikeminecraft Open source rip-off of a rip-off? 20:33 PenguinDad Infinimer is C# ugh... 20:33 VanessaE well, inspired yeah. 20:33 reactor Green, fat face detected: Ilikeminecraft. 20:33 reactor I see thou. 20:33 VanessaE Ilikeminecraft: if minetest is, then Minecraft is also. sorry to disappoint. 20:33 Ilikeminecraft Now that I have roused everyonee 20:34 hoodedice Hi 20:34 * Jordach scratches head 20:36 * reactor dusts himself 20:36 hoodedice Wow 20:36 hoodedice *silence* 20:36 reactor Indeed. 20:36 hoodedice Maybe a few fanboys everyday would stir up the IRC 20:37 VanessaE heh 20:37 reactor Indeed. 20:37 VanessaE they get fanboyish enough, there's always /bin :P 20:37 VanessaE er /ban 20:37 hoodedice I should have continued for another 15 minutes 20:37 reactor bin 20:37 reactor hah 20:37 VanessaE /ban them and throw them in the bin :) 20:37 reactor Not in my /bin. 20:38 kaeza [17:37:24] they get fanboyish enough, there's always /bin :P 20:38 reactor Ooh yeah yeah. Deep meaning. 20:38 kaeza better /bin/rm :P 20:38 VanessaE exactly 20:38 VanessaE there are sufficient tools in /bin to make a real mess of someone :D 20:39 reactor Yep. 20:39 kaeza my damned RETURN key is almost dead 20:39 reactor /bin/dd always works. 20:39 jin_xi ctrl-j 20:39 sfan5 what about /bin/cat 20:39 reactor Disk Destroyer. 20:39 reactor cat /dev/null > offender 20:39 VanessaE sfan5: only use that against NekoGloop 20:39 VanessaE :D 20:40 sfan5 reactor: won't do anything 20:40 DanDuncombe Have an automatic banner for any name that has minecraft in it unless it is hateminecraft or hatesminecraft 20:40 sfan5 VanessaE: :D 20:40 PenguinDad *Copy and Convert 20:40 * NekoGloop yawns 20:40 reactor sfan5: will overwrite with empty file 20:40 reactor eh. 20:40 reactor single > 20:40 PenguinDad you mean /dev/zero 20:40 reactor no 20:40 reactor /dev/zero - endless stream of zeros 20:40 reactor /dev/null - end of file 20:40 sfan5 /dev/null doesn't output a think 20:40 kaeza guest@xkcd:/$ cat 20:40 kaeza You're a kitty! 20:40 reactor it does 20:40 sfan5 .. 20:40 VanessaE reactor: /dev/null is write-only 20:40 reactor end od file 20:40 sfan5 wait right 20:41 sfan5 kaeza: s/kitty/kitten/ 20:41 reactor no, it does actually read end of file when you cat it 20:41 VanessaE weird 20:41 reactor try it eh 20:41 kaeza sfan5, try it http://uni.xkcd.com/ 20:41 sfan5 kaeza: I have tried 20:41 sfan5 it 20:41 reactor Shit. 20:42 reactor john_minetest: I'm talking about EOF. 20:42 reactor The character. 20:42 reactor That ends the file. 20:42 reactor It's usually Control-D. 20:42 reactor You press that key to log out. 20:42 PenguinDad on windows it's Ctrl-Z 20:42 reactor Rather, to end your input in something. 20:42 reactor PenguinDad: mkay. 20:42 reactor on all DOS it is. 20:43 DanDuncombe Can an inventory slot in a node have unlimited items in it? i.e. take one and another appears 20:43 thexyz john_minetest: you don't need `cat` in this sample, do you? 20:43 VanessaE DanDuncombe: manually, sure 20:43 DanDuncombe Like the creative inventory 20:44 VanessaE as long as you (in code) put a new item in when one is taken out of the slot 20:44 DanDuncombe So I can have an admin-only money printer. 20:44 VanessaE sure 20:44 sfan5 thexyz: "tail " works just fine 20:44 DanDuncombe Can you code it? I tried before, but it crashed when I took an item out. 20:44 VanessaE but for such things, perhaps you should use a button instead - click it, and X number of Minegeld are added to your inventory 20:45 VanessaE no, I suck at formspecs. 20:45 DanDuncombe True. I would find that even harder to code. 20:45 DanDuncombe If Sokomine is there, Can you Make the Above 'button to print money' Formspec Please? 20:45 thexyz sfan5: I know 20:46 DanDuncombe VanessaE, you should make a survival server. 20:46 VanessaE I may convert my server to survival some day 20:46 DanDuncombe Make it better than Landrush 20:46 VanessaE but I don't have the resources to run two. 20:47 DanDuncombe I don't like Landrush 20:47 VanessaE well actually.. 20:47 VanessaE strike that 20:47 DanDuncombe How about: Every other day, you switch between the servers 20:47 VanessaE I have the resources to run roughly 2. 20:47 DanDuncombe That is great. 20:48 DanDuncombe I still don't like Landrush because of the claim nodes. I have no idea what area I have claimed, so I quit. 20:48 VanessaE maybe I'll set one up. same game as now? 20:48 DanDuncombe Yes. But can you please add my currency mod? 20:48 reactor Hmm. 20:48 VanessaE I need Sokomine to finish fixing the spray booth .. 20:48 reactor Is survival working well enough? 20:49 DanDuncombe We need an awesome all new gamemode better than creative and survival 20:49 DanDuncombe To make a mega-server 20:49 VanessaE DanDuncombe: that would be my game mode, imho :D 20:49 reactor Action? Like, eh. Realistic warfare? 20:50 DanDuncombe VanessaE, I think the server would be cool. 20:50 DanDuncombe Now, if someone could just quickly do Voltz, which I play and like, then we are ready :) 20:50 DanDuncombe *do a Minetest mod exactly emulating Voltz I mean 20:50 sfan5 !g Voltz 20:50 MinetestBot sfan5: http://www.technicpack.net/voltz 20:50 sfan5 !deop 20:50 sfan5 !title 20:50 MinetestBot sfan5: Voltz - Technic Platform 20:50 sfan5 derü 20:51 sfan5 s/derü/derp/ 20:51 DanDuncombe It has about 20 different ICBMs 20:51 sfan5 and I didn't expect that to work 20:51 DanDuncombe Screw that. ExplosivesCraft 20:51 sfan5 Install the nuke mod 8) 20:51 reactor Minecraft world is not big enough to allow for ICBM's. 20:51 reactor Duh. 20:51 reactor Neither nukes, probably. 20:52 DanDuncombe ExplosivesCraft has about 3 explosives mods, about 20 ICBMs, many army vehicles and guns and planes, several machinery mods, etc. 20:52 reactor Vehicles... good. 20:52 DanDuncombe It even has flyable starwars spaceships! 20:52 reactor It's sad how Minecraft devs are trying to keep the medieval theme. 20:52 DanDuncombe Many army trucks, tanks, cars,personel transporters, etc. 20:53 reactor Because maps usually grow too big to be playable on foot or on pig. 20:53 reactor Games with big maps do need trucks. 20:54 VanessaE DanDuncombe: wait here, I'm setting one up. 20:54 DanDuncombe The biggest personel carrier has a mounted minigun, and about 30 seats for passengers (1 player per seat) 20:54 DanDuncombe So you can drive your players to the battlefield 20:54 DanDuncombe And well, red matter bombs. Wow. 20:55 reactor red matter? 20:55 reactor meat? 20:55 reactor blood? 20:55 reactor blood bombs... disgusting, but nothing beyond 20:55 sfan5 "(1 player per seat)" umm 20:55 DanDuncombe Red matter bombs make a black whole that slowly expands, sucking entities and nodes in and blowing them up,whilst makiing a terrifying screching noise. 20:55 DanDuncombe sfan5, right click a seat to be attached to that seat. 20:56 sfan5 yeah 20:56 reactor all 30 on the same seat 20:56 DanDuncombe This is Minecraft I am talking about 20:56 reactor would be a stack of humans 20:56 sfan5 but isn't it obvious to have 1 player per seat 20:56 DanDuncombe Antimatter bombs make a huge hole. 20:56 reactor look up headwalking in CS 1.6 20:56 hoodedice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C5o9CwHsLo 20:56 DanDuncombe Ender bombs teleport you toafake nether 20:56 hoodedice !title 20:56 MinetestBot hoodedice: The Ultimate Handshake! - YouTube 20:57 DanDuncombe Who thinks a VanessaE survival server would be awesome? 20:57 reactor DanDuncombe: End or Nether? 20:57 DanDuncombe *to fake end I mean 20:57 reactor I do think survival should be used, at least sometimes. 20:57 reactor so eh. 20:57 reactor o/ 20:57 reactor DanDuncombe: oh. 20:58 DanDuncombe And the fake End, when you kill the Enderdragon,makes a portal that instead of teleporting you to the overworld, teleports you to the real End. 20:58 DanDuncombe So you have to kill 2 Dragons to get back 20:58 DanDuncombe The best way to kill the Dragon is with snowballs, you know. 20:59 DanDuncombe I am serious 20:59 reactor Or could just die. 20:59 reactor And return back to the Earth. 20:59 reactor Because death in the End teleports you back. 20:59 DanDuncombe The Explosives+ mod is awesome too 20:59 DanDuncombe It has things like usable AC-130s and stuff 21:00 reactor Is there Explosives-? 21:00 DanDuncombe And Valkyrie missile launchers 21:00 DanDuncombe And Volcanos 21:00 DanDuncombe And Genesisbombs 21:00 reactor As in, the guns that fire 50 rounds per second? 21:00 reactor Gore mods would be good with these. 21:01 reactor Dismembering enemies. 21:01 DanDuncombe Guns that when fired, cause all nodes withing around 20 nodes of the target to fly around then get catapulted 100s of blocks. 21:01 PenguinDad Genesisbombs Star Trek? 21:01 DanDuncombe Genesis Bombs reset your world entirely 21:01 DanDuncombe So it is like ultimate roll-back 21:02 DanDuncombe They make an epic purple lightning effect 21:02 DanDuncombe The genesis bomb: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dszwbr8jpminimu/currency.zip 21:02 DanDuncombe Wrong link sorry 21:03 DanDuncombe http://www.explosivesplus.com/wiki_view_5.html 21:03 DanDuncombe There 21:04 DanDuncombe Biome busters simply delete the biome they are placed in. 21:04 VanessaE DanDuncombe: vanessae.mine.bz port 30001 21:04 DanDuncombe 'Theoretically, it can destroy upwards of 64 million blocks (You'll need a very high powered computer though for that). ' 21:04 DanDuncombe Thanks VanessaE 21:04 VanessaE brand new world and you'll be the first one on it. Nothing has been built yet, I just stayed there long enough to let some of the surrounding land be generated. 21:05 DanDuncombe Are there any mods? 21:05 VanessaE it's my game. survival mode now. 21:05 LazyJ VanessaE, I've just tried placing a yard sign in my area on your server and I'm not able to enter text to the sign. 21:05 reactor hmm 21:05 VanessaE the regular server is still there on 30000 of course. 21:05 VanessaE LazyJ: oh? 21:05 DanDuncombe Can you add my currency mod VanessaE? 21:05 LazyJ Outside of my area the yard sign text entry works. 21:05 VanessaE DanDuncombe: shortly. 21:05 DanDuncombe Thanks VanessaE 21:06 VanessaE link? 21:06 LazyJ I placed a "wall" sign in my are and the text worked. 21:06 VanessaE LazyJ: remind me later and I'll see if I can fix it 21:06 DanDuncombe VanessaE: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7002 21:06 VanessaE NekoGloop: I think the treasure chests are a bit too numerous btw 21:06 LazyJ Hehehe... sure. Nothing like a chat flurry to keep you on your toes. :) 21:07 NekoGloop Why? 21:07 VanessaE ew, a dropbox link 21:07 NekoGloop If you're not using lolhyperspeed then it's just fine 21:07 DanDuncombe I found over 20 treasure chests just by wondering around, all were either tier 1 or 2 21:07 VanessaE NekoGloop: newly-generated world, "places node glooptest:treasure_chest*" kinda poured out for the first few mins. 21:07 DanDuncombe They wre about 20 nodes apart each 21:08 VanessaE oh wait, I ain't done yet, I need to add hostile mobs too. 21:08 NekoGloop Tier 1 has, at best, stone tools. 21:08 VanessaE server down. 21:08 NekoGloop Tier 2 has obsidian shards if you're REALLY lucky 21:08 DanDuncombe I have 2 stacks of obsidian shards now 21:08 DanDuncombe Just from treasure chests 21:08 NekoGloop fast_move? 21:09 DanDuncombe And 2 chests of wood and stone hammers, and handsaws 21:09 DanDuncombe VanessaE: When you add the currency mod, can I please have a starting amount of, say,20? 21:09 NekoGloop I'm not going to balance the rarity of the chests around something that's barely controllable. 21:09 VanessaE wait, slow down 21:10 NekoGloop VanessaE, How many of those are >=3? 21:10 VanessaE I'll just remove the treasure chests from the new world. 21:10 VanessaE NekoGloop: about 75% of them 21:10 DanDuncombe NekoGloop: In my world, none were above level 2 21:10 NekoGloop DanDuncombe, because you didn't go underground. 21:11 VanessaE NekoGloop: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6019285/ 21:11 DanDuncombe Oh, didn't know they went underground too. 21:11 VanessaE make that closer to 90%. 21:11 DanDuncombe VanessaE: Can I please have the cache files for the Survival server? 21:11 VanessaE DanDuncombe: same as the cache for the creative server. 21:12 DanDuncombe Oh, but I still can't connect 21:12 NekoGloop Blame devs for making place_node spam the console 21:12 VanessaE that's because I shut it down for a few mins' 21:12 reactor server down eh 21:12 DanDuncombe I am stuck on 'connecting to server' 21:12 VanessaE I'm configuring it. 21:12 VanessaE [08-23 17:09] server down. 21:12 DanDuncombe Oh right. Now I have 2 not-responding Minetests 21:12 reactor DanDuncombe: what OS? 21:12 DanDuncombe Windows 21:13 reactor Oh, I could guess. "not-responding". 21:13 DanDuncombe They don't close, no matter what. 21:13 reactor Well, it's your OS's problem it can't handle such situations. 21:13 DanDuncombe Task Manager: Fails 21:13 NekoGloop Since you're too stupid to know how to task manager, get off the computer now. 21:13 reactor mine close fine on control-C from the temrinal 21:13 reactor stop 21:13 reactor no panic 21:14 reactor try taskkill 21:14 reactor in your shell 21:14 DanDuncombe Ctrl+C says shutting down, but doesn't shut down 21:14 reactor meh 21:14 DanDuncombe How do I tell it which one to kill? 21:14 NekoGloop close out the terminal 21:14 reactor try using taskkill upon it 21:14 reactor NekoGloop: won't help 21:14 DanDuncombe NekoGloop, the terminal won't close. 21:14 NekoGloop or you can use the processes part of the task manager and look for "minetest.exe" 21:14 reactor DanDuncombe: just kill it by image name 21:14 DanDuncombe Errrrm. 21:14 reactor it will kill all instances afaik 21:14 reactor why not kill all of them? 21:14 NekoGloop Like someone who isn't a complete moron. 21:15 reactor NekoGloop: task manager can be slow if the system is bogged down 21:15 DanDuncombe Telling Minetest.exe to end in task manager processes doesn't do a admn. 21:15 reactor open your terminal, use taskkill like a man 21:15 sfan5 :D 21:15 NekoGloop No wonder people hate windows users. Half of them don't know how to use the bloody system. 21:15 DanDuncombe Just saying taskkill will kill everything though, right? 21:16 reactor It should kill every instance of the program you give the name of. 21:16 reactor I don't remember. 21:16 DanDuncombe My computer doesn't work properly anyway. Half of C:\ drive is corrupt. 21:16 reactor Maybe not. 21:16 thexyz did you try pressing ctrl+c twice? 21:16 reactor Windows is corrupt eh. 21:16 reactor Sometimes one ^C is not enough eh. 21:16 DanDuncombe thexyz: The terminal is now not responding 21:17 reactor Especially on a busy machine. 21:17 reactor DanDuncombe: hell, just type "taskkill" in a free terminal! 21:17 DanDuncombe Windows explorer has now stopped responding... 21:17 kaeza DanDuncombe, if your C: drive is corrupt, try bribing it 21:17 reactor Ha. 21:17 DanDuncombe Bribing?! WTF?! 21:17 reactor Yeah. 21:17 DanDuncombe How will that work?! 21:17 NekoGloop Let's just stop trying to help. 21:17 reactor Pry its case open with a screwdriver. Put in some money. 21:18 DanDuncombe No way 21:18 NekoGloop He's clearly too much of a moron to understand us. 21:18 reactor Glue it closed. Should work. 21:18 sfan5 you open your drive cover and and put a kitten on it 21:18 NekoGloop kittens~ 21:18 DanDuncombe I once changed the video card whilst in a flowerbed 21:18 NekoGloop VanessaE, I'm working on scaffolds for gloopblocks. 21:18 VanessaE cool 21:18 DanDuncombe I had an anti-static wristband earthed in the flower-bed 21:18 reactor But meh. 21:18 reactor Stop confusing the guy. 21:18 reactor DanDuncombe: listen, uh... you just need to pop up another terminal, and type "taskkill". It will show you the necessary help. 21:18 DanDuncombe Okay 21:18 NekoGloop You've probably noticed the gloopblocks_scaffolding.png 21:19 VanessaE wait a minute, which module supplies treasure chests? 21:19 NekoGloop Othergen 21:19 NekoGloop Extragen 21:19 DanDuncombe reactor: Invalid Syntax 21:19 NekoGloop Whatever the hell I called it 21:19 reactor DanDuncombe: if you don't understand teh message, try "taskkill /im minetest.exe" several times. 21:19 DanDuncombe Okay 21:19 reactor DanDuncombe: taskkill /help 21:20 NekoGloop VanessaE, I'll supply options for chest rarity. 21:20 DanDuncombe It said it sent the termination signal but both Minetests are still open and not responding. 21:20 reactor DanDuncombe: okay, try taskkill /help 21:20 reactor DanDuncombe: try and read about how to kill them more brotallu 21:20 reactor brutally* 21:20 reactor damn it 21:20 reactor well 21:20 kaeza reactor, I think it's "/?" 21:20 NekoGloop Try pulling the plug 21:20 reactor I don't know what the equivalent of kill -9 on Windows is called. 21:20 NekoGloop best solution 21:21 reactor kaeza: maybe. 21:21 DanDuncombe What plug? 21:21 reactor I don't remember. It's years since I last used the command. 21:21 DanDuncombe You mean the battery? 21:21 reactor DanDuncombe: don't listen to him 21:21 DanDuncombe I'll just restart. It is what I normally do. 21:21 reactor DanDuncombe: just try and read the taskkill's help 21:21 reactor DanDuncombe: damn it, no 21:21 DanDuncombe Pull out the battery and restart. 21:21 reactor do not restart 21:21 DanDuncombe It is the only known way to close the programs 21:22 reactor you need to learn to handle such situations, buy 21:22 VanessaE DanDuncombe: ok, try it now - I've deleted the map file so it can restart fresh. NekoGloop: too late. I don't want treasure chests on the survival world. 21:22 reactor boy* 21:22 NekoGloop are they "too easy"? :P 21:22 DanDuncombe VanessaE, am I connecting? 21:22 VanessaE NekoGloop: imho players need to work for what they gain in a survival world 21:23 VanessaE DanDuncombe: no, but reactor just connected. 21:23 reactor I have. 21:23 reactor Loading item defs. 21:23 DanDuncombe VanessaE: When I join, can I have 20 free Minegelds? 21:23 DanDuncombe 'connecting to server' 21:23 reactor DanDuncombe: if you kill the offending processes without killing your OS. 21:23 VanessaE try again, you probably jumped the gun 21:24 reactor Who? 21:24 DanDuncombe I can't press ESC 21:24 VanessaE DanDuncombe: ^^ 21:24 reactor Oh. 21:24 DanDuncombe That crashes Minetest and freezes it... 21:24 DanDuncombe And I get Minetest Not-Responding 21:24 DanDuncombe 'connecting to server' 21:24 reactor He's probably having cognitive delay. 21:24 VanessaE DanDuncombe: you'll need to terminate that session from your task manager. 21:24 reactor He probably has some sort of a cognitive delay* 21:24 VanessaE ctrl-alt-delete isn't it? been a long time since I used windows. 21:24 NekoGloop So some random wood and stone tools are too easy? 21:24 DanDuncombe Okay, I'll try connecting a thrid time 21:24 reactor Pardon my EnGlitch. 21:25 reactor john_minetest: GNU eh. 21:25 VanessaE DanDuncombe: vanessae.mine.bz:30001 21:25 DanDuncombe VanessaE, I know 21:25 reactor john_minetest: I suppose so. 21:25 DanDuncombe My village has officially the slowest Internet in England. I am actually serious. 21:25 sfan5 !up vanessae.mine.bz 30001 21:25 MinetestBot vanessae.mine.bz:30001 is up (432ms) 21:26 DanDuncombe They did a survey :( 21:26 reactor !up localhost 22 21:26 MinetestBot reactor: Invalid Address 21:26 DanDuncombe 'connecting to server' 21:26 reactor MinetestBot: you're invalid. 21:26 sfan5 reactor: it only checks minetest servers, and the answer would be yes 21:26 PenguinDad !up 127.0.0.1 22 21:26 MinetestBot 127.0.0.1:22 seems to be down 21:26 DanDuncombe Bah. Why can't I connect? 21:27 reactor Hmm. 21:27 DanDuncombe 'connecting to server' 21:27 reactor I'm stuck at item definitions. 21:27 ShadowNinja reactor: Reconnect. 21:27 reactor tried eh 21:27 DanDuncombe I am virtually the opposite side of the world to VanessaE 21:28 reactor sfan5: oh 21:28 reactor mk 21:28 NekoGloop VanessaE, so.... what don't you like about treasure chests? 21:28 DanDuncombe Dammit. I now have a third 'Not-Responding' Minetest 21:28 reactor DanDuncombe: pwned. 21:28 reactor Get a better OS. 21:29 DanDuncombe I can't 21:29 reactor Why? 21:29 DanDuncombe Linux sucks 21:29 reactor Your hands are crooked? 21:29 reactor Linux sucks, but it sucks less than Windows. 21:29 DanDuncombe And every other OS I cannot install 21:29 reactor A lot less. 21:29 reactor Because your hands are crooked. 21:29 DanDuncombe Linux freezes and crashes on me almost all the ime 21:29 VanessaE NekoGloop: they give free stuff is why :-) 21:29 reactor You can't even control Windows commands. 21:30 reactor DanDuncombe: it's you who is making it crash eh. 21:30 reactor Linux is not as much of a paded room as Windows. 21:30 reactor padded, even 21:30 NekoGloop ^ linux help desk 21:30 DanDuncombe I have tried Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Mint and Arch, they ALL crash on me 21:30 reactor you know, padded rooms, for psychos 21:30 NekoGloop Oh, nice, a hater. 21:30 DanDuncombe I am on a netbook btw 21:30 DanDuncombe 'Shocked silence' 21:31 reactor Even better for Linux. 21:31 reactor Because netbooks tend to overuse the battery on Windows. 21:31 VanessaE DanDuncombe: it would seem that windows isn't particularly stable either... 21:31 reactor Yep. 21:31 reactor If it's hanging games. 21:31 reactor But. 21:31 DanDuncombe Windows is more stable than Linux 21:31 reactor RTFM about taskkill if you're so smart. 21:31 reactor It is? 21:32 reactor Ha. 21:32 DanDuncombe Kubuntu comepletely broke in a Kubuntu Update 21:32 DanDuncombe The mouse stopped moving 21:32 reactor Well, prove it. Use taskkill and bring down the offenders, DanDuncombe. 21:32 DanDuncombe taskkill /im NekoGloop.exe 21:33 reactor DanDuncombe: come on. How are you supposed to use computers if you don't even know how to kill hung programs? 21:33 DanDuncombe Because nothing I have ever tried actually works 21:33 DanDuncombe Because my computer has a semi corrupt disk 21:33 reactor Because you have your arms growing out of your stinky hole. 21:33 reactor If your disk is corrupt, replace it. 21:33 DanDuncombe I cannot turn it off without taking out the battery or using the power button. 21:34 reactor If your disk can not be replaced, replace the machine altogether. 21:34 reactor Or hook up an external disk. 21:34 DanDuncombe If I try to turn it off normal way, it gets stuck on shutting down. 21:34 reactor Because it's Windows and your lameness multiplying each other's destructive efect. 21:34 DanDuncombe It was stuck on shutting down for over 30 hours befire I pulled out the battery 21:34 reactor Look, I tried to help you. I tried to point you to the right command. 21:35 DanDuncombe And I do mean 30 hours 21:35 reactor What are you moaning about now? 21:35 kaeza DanDuncombe, backup your important stuff, and use a disk repair/check tool (like scandisk or such) 21:35 DanDuncombe My computer won't turn off the normal way. 21:35 DanDuncombe The backup fails because the disk is corrupt. 21:35 DanDuncombe Copy/Paste fails too 21:35 reactor DanCucumber, change the bloody disk! 21:36 DanDuncombe But I can't afford a new disk 21:36 DanDuncombe I am saving for a proper Laptop 21:36 PenguinDad !g Cucumber Rubygems 21:36 MinetestBot PenguinDad: http://rubygems.org/gems/cucumber 21:36 DanDuncombe Seriously, I only have a 1.6Ghz Atom processor, I can'tdo much gaming on it. 21:37 DanDuncombe CPU never drops below 80% 21:37 reactor 1.6GHz is much. 21:37 DanDuncombe My computer runs at ~80*C Idle 21:37 reactor Could even draw software rasteriser, like some sick people do. 21:37 reactor Meheh. 21:37 DanDuncombe And is bloosy slow 21:37 DanDuncombe *bloody 21:37 reactor You're a moron, that's it. 21:37 reactor It's not slow. 21:37 reactor It's a good machine. Good enough. You just need to replace the fucking disk. 21:38 DanDuncombe What isn't? 21:38 DanDuncombe It is shit. 21:38 reactor Stop complaining about how shitty X is, try to improve it, you cocomberhead. 21:38 reactor cucumberhead* 21:38 DanDuncombe It sometimes freezes opening Mozilla Firefox 21:38 * proller making custom freeze-melt temps for any block, and set stone melting at 5c WELCOME TO HEEEEL 8] 21:38 reactor Firefox is slow. 21:38 thexyz are you seriously going to do "much gaming" on laptop? 21:38 reactor Not the machine. 21:38 DanDuncombe I get 6-7 FPS in Minetest 21:39 DanDuncombe I have about 10 nodes view range 21:39 DanDuncombe I have 2gb RAM 21:39 kaeza DanDuncombe, I could run GTA:VC on a 64MB Celeron @ 333MHz, you can do wonders with 1.6GHz 21:39 reactor Yeah. 21:39 DanDuncombe Not if its Intel Atom processor :P 21:40 reactor DanDuncombe: now you shut up and kill the processes. 21:40 DanDuncombe I tried and failed 21:40 kaeza Celeron (...) w/ 64MB of RAM * 21:40 reactor Try again, try harder. 21:40 kaeza or whatever 21:40 reactor There must be a switch to that command to make it enforce their death. 21:41 reactor "SIGKILL", the signal is called 21:41 DanDuncombe I am NOT RUNNING SIGKILL 21:41 reactor WHAT? 21:41 VanessaE eh? 21:41 kaeza bleh! 21:41 reactor Shit, I only messed it up. 21:41 DanDuncombe I SAID: I AM NOT RUNNING SIGKILL 21:41 VanessaE sigkill is how you terminate a process that's as dead as it can otherwise be. 21:41 reactor I shouldn't be helping you, DanDouchebag. 21:41 Sokomine sometimes a sigkill is a good option 21:42 ShadowNinja DanDuncombe: You can't, it isn't a command and it is only available on Linux-like OSs 21:42 VanessaE it's usually the last thing you try when a process just won't terminate. 21:42 PenguinDad POSIX ftw 21:42 reactor VanessaE: in his case, when nothing else works, it is. 21:42 DanDuncombe VanessaE: last time I ran it my start menu disappeared 21:42 kaeza :| 21:42 VanessaE sig QUIT, HUP, TERM, KILL are usually the order I use them in. 21:42 reactor Heh. 21:42 NekoGloop DanDuncombe, Please, just stop existing 21:43 PilzAdam Pilztest has a complete texture overhaul 21:43 reactor I do usually go for three more SIGTERM'S, then HUP; if that doesn't work, I KILL. 21:43 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/pilztest 21:43 DanDuncombe I will never stop exiting 21:43 DanDuncombe *existing 21:43 reactor DanDuncombe: oh, just reboot it. Pussy. 21:43 kaeza VanessaE, under windows, it's usually SIG followed by SIGBSOD :P 21:43 VanessaE hh 21:43 DanDuncombe Is there any way of copy-pasting into the Windows terminal 21:43 VanessaE heh 21:44 reactor DanDuncombe: you will never stop EXITING, yes. 21:44 reactor Because you're a quitter. 21:44 DanDuncombe RRRRRRAAAAAGGGGGEEEE! 21:44 Sokomine usually i start with crtl-c. if that fails (repeatedly), the process gets a friendly normal kill. if even that fails, it's signal nr 9 (ought to be KILL) 21:44 DanDuncombe Forced Restart.G'bye folks. 21:45 reactor john_minetest: there is pkill. 21:45 reactor Even faster. 21:45 reactor :D 21:45 thexyz PilzAdam: pics? 21:45 reactor finally. 21:45 Sokomine xkill sounds too much like using x 21:45 reactor meh, xkill relies on the mouse 21:46 PilzAdam thexyz, wait a second... 21:47 PenguinDad PilzAdam: are the textures made by you? 21:47 PilzAdam yep 21:47 Evergreen PilzAdam: Those textures look nice, I'll have to try them out. 21:48 reactor 03:45:10: ERROR[main]: The server is probably running a different version of Minetest. 21:48 reactor Hmm. 21:48 reactor Did I miss a release? 21:48 PenguinDad good work PilzAdam 21:48 VanessaE reactor: git. 21:48 reactor Meh. 21:49 bas080 Hey andersje, nice to see the dutch are noticing minetest. I assume you are dutch 21:49 reactor Tomorrow, probably... too drowsy to compile. 21:49 reactor "I even lost my penish in an unfortunate schmelting accident" 21:49 bas080 ha ha 21:50 reactor "Don't do anything schtupid, or the schoosting begins!" 21:50 Evergreen PilzAdam: I just updated pilztest, and those textures are awesome. A lot of them are better than default IMO 21:50 * VanessaE debates copying the spawn from the creative server over to the survival one.. 21:51 PilzAdam thexyz, http://mg.viewskew.com/u/pilzadam/collection/pilztest/ 21:51 PenguinDad Evergreen: that's my opinion 21:52 reactor Good night! 21:53 PilzAdam I dont like the tools very much 21:56 PenguinDad PilzAdam: i can't dig bones with a single click in creative mode 21:56 PilzAdam yea 21:57 PilzAdam thats because you cant override the digging times for dig_immediate 21:58 * PenguinDad understands slowly 22:01 Jordach PilzAdam: nice textures 22:03 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/war-machine-animation-test/ 22:03 Jordach Evergreen: ^ 22:04 Evergreen Pretty cool! The cell shading looks nice for image renders, but if you ever do a full featured animation, I would prefer that you didn't use it 22:04 PenguinDad haha Warmachine 22:05 Jordach Evergreen: it's only the borderlands style 22:06 Evergreen I love it, but don't use it for everything. 22:06 Evergreen I still think it would be awesome if someone could make a cell shaded shader for minetest 22:07 * Jordach too 22:15 VanessaE there, both servers are properly set up now 22:16 DanDuncombe VanessaE, you shut down the server? 22:16 VanessaE I restarted it to enable hostile mobs 22:16 VanessaE sorry, didn't realize you were still on :-) 22:16 DanDuncombe Can I re-join now? 22:16 VanessaE sure 22:16 DanDuncombe I am biulding a shop next to spawn 22:17 VanessaE actually wait a sec. 22:17 DanDuncombe Can you protect an area for m? 22:17 VanessaE I need to copy player accounts et.al over also. 22:17 DanDuncombe *me 22:17 DanDuncombe Okay 22:17 DanDuncombe Say when I can join :) 22:18 DanDuncombe If you protect my shop area, will people still be able to interact with the shops? 22:19 VanessaE they should be able to if you coded it properly. 22:19 DanDuncombe Ok 22:19 DanDuncombe Can I join now? 22:20 PenguinDad on landrush i am not allowed to use the wiki block in the spawn hotel :D 22:20 DanDuncombe Lol 22:22 VanessaE DanDuncombe: ok, now. 22:22 VanessaE dammit 22:32 * Evergreen is learning how to use tkinter 22:38 * PenguinDad is learning how to use formspec 22:43 * john_minetest is learning how to make a custom linux system 22:44 PenguinDad git --fast-version-control 22:45 PilzAdam Unknown option: --fast-version-control 22:46 PenguinDad PilzAdam: i know that :P 22:51 VanessaE ShadowNinja: ok, it's fixed. I left your inventory in place, it's what you had before on the creative server. Dan's too. everyone else's has been deleted. 22:51 VanessaE I forgot you have to actually shut the server down and leave it down while deleting those files. 23:06 * NekoGloop curls up in VanessaE's lap 23:20 kaeza "Yes btw if you want to talk tomy go to ICR.freenode.net and type ##Vazon-Server in the Channel then pick your name and do the catpta and then im there" 23:21 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106158#p106158 23:29 kaeza yey reinvented the wheel 23:39 NekoGloop sup 23:42 NekoGloop Anyone know if there's an easy way to get the "places at " to not appear when the code places something? 23:43 PilzAdam its done in builtin/item.lua in the item_place_node() function 23:43 NekoGloop So there's no way to get place_node(...) to not say it? 23:43 PilzAdam hm? 23:44 NekoGloop I want all of place_node(...), without the console spam. 23:45 NekoGloop VanessaE, You about? 23:45 VanessaE not as far as I know, you can't. 23:45 PilzAdam you could make it in a very hacky way by defining minetest.log() as an empty function 23:45 NekoGloop rawr 23:45 NekoGloop VanessaE, http://i.imgur.com/r5HD43o.png :3 23:45 VanessaE nice 23:45 NekoGloop You can place them upward by rightclicking the bottom one 23:46 NekoGloop Range is 19 (20 nodes total) 23:46 NekoGloop Great for making stairs. 23:46 NekoGloop What I need to do now is make sure the player is clicking the bottom one. 23:48 VanessaE have fun with that :) 23:48 NekoGloop Oooo, holding shift forces the game to place instead of rightclick? Nice. That means this works better than I thought. 23:48 NekoGloop VanessaE, Shouldn't be hard. Just have to check if the block below is a scaffold. 23:49 VanessaE and the one below that, and on down for the next 20 nodes. 23:49 NekoGloop Why? 23:49 VanessaE in case there's a gap? 23:49 VanessaE eh, maybe that's overkill 23:49 NekoGloop Hrm, just means I have to loop the search. 23:49 NekoGloop Also I should make the stack not deplete in creative. 23:51 VanessaE good idea. 23:53 NekoGloop I need three monitors. 23:53 NekoGloop One for irc, one for game, one for code 23:53 NekoGloop :P 23:55 bas080 NekoGloop, you want it, you don't need it. 23:55 NekoGloop heh 23:55 NekoGloop Technically I have three monitors. 23:56 NekoGloop I could hook up my TV to my laptop, and use this old desktop monitor. 23:56 NekoGloop (and the one on the laptop) 23:56 VanessaE oh jeez 23:56 NekoGloop hm? 23:56 PilzAdam bye 23:56 VanessaE that's a hell of a way to get three screens..... 23:57 NekoGloop :3 23:57 NekoGloop The monitor isn't that old. 23:57 NekoGloop it's widescreen. But it's gotta be like one of the first-ever widescreen monitors or something :P 23:59 VanessaE ick 23:59 VanessaE widescreen does not belong on a computer monitor 23:59 NekoGloop it's not theater-screen, just wide-screen 23:59 NekoGloop :P