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Time Nick Message
00:00 VanessaE see if that brea^H^H^H^Hfixes it.
00:00 VanessaE :)
00:00 andersje yep, sed'ing now
00:01 andersje %s/\(group:\)\([ube]\)/\1dye,\2/g%s/\(group:\)\([ube]\)/\1dye,\2/g
00:01 andersje oops
00:01 andersje wrong window
00:01 VanessaE looks more like perl than a sed expression :P
00:01 andersje well, perl stole widely from sed and awk
00:01 andersje Mr. Wall only created perl because, at the time, awk could only have one file open at a time.
00:02 VanessaE heh.  I've been using unix-like OS's for 18 years and I still haven't bothered to learn awk :P
00:02 andersje nothing better for crunching through vast amounts of text
00:02 andersje perl is a lot easier and more featured tho
00:02 andersje but for quick and dirty stuff....i loves me some awk
00:03 VanessaE of course, I still struggle with regexes anyways, so..
00:03 VanessaE my mind does not speak line noise :)
00:03 andersje parsing webserver logfiles will lead you to love regex
00:03 PilzAdam xchat's color selection failed again... VanessaE is blue, andersje is blue, same nick length
00:03 PilzAdam how am I supposed to read this!?
00:04 VanessaE I never use the nick coloring, just highlights.
00:04 andersje http://pastebin.com/PqFWMvqH -- VanessaE
00:04 andersje that's STILL not working
00:05 andersje I wonder if it ever did
00:05 VanessaE weird
00:05 * andersje tries something different.
00:06 * Sokomine nods to andersje
00:06 Sokomine though i usually use awk only to print certain colums of a result
00:06 VanessaE that should just work..
00:06 andersje yeah, Sokomine, it's tons smarter than cut
00:07 andersje awk '/stuff i want/{print $NF}'
00:07 VanessaE sed/grep/cut/tr are about all I use for text processing
00:07 andersje my tr skills are really rusty
00:10 andersje yeah, it's not just white in there.  it's whenever I try to pass in more than one thing...
00:10 andersje I'm gonna check in this code, let y'all see it in its entirety
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00:11 VanessaE ok
00:12 VanessaE hey Menche
00:13 andersje https://github.com/andersje/stained_glass/blob/master/init.lua
00:13 andersje you can see my craziness there.
00:14 VanessaE reading...
00:15 VanessaE dafuq?
00:15 VanessaE dyerecipe{}  over and over?
00:15 VanessaE shouldn't those be () ?
00:16 jin_xi lua can omit parens for single table or string arguments
00:16 VanessaE or rather, shouldn't the param be wrapped in () anyway
00:16 VanessaE ah that explains it
00:16 VanessaE I forgot about that syntax
00:16 jin_xi effin syntax
00:17 * jin_xi likes lisps
00:17 VanessaE your entries for pastel magenta and pastel violet look wrong...
00:17 VanessaE (extra, escaped quotes in the args)
00:18 VanessaE unicolor_magenta vs. excolor_medium_redviolet might be that stupid closest-possible-color mapping in the default dyes mod
00:19 VanessaE you have a similar issue with dark green
00:19 VanessaE which also has a nearest-color mapping
00:19 VanessaE in those cases, use the dye colors directly.
00:19 VanessaE unifieddyes:dark_green et al.
00:21 andersje should those be () ?
00:21 VanessaE nevermind the ()
00:21 andersje okay.
00:21 VanessaE try changing those recipes to use the exact dye colors instead of groups for those few that I mentioned
00:22 andersje okay, will do.
00:23 VanessaE *looks at dye mod*
00:23 andersje yeah, those extra quotes were leftovers from a previous attempt to pass those arguments in
00:24 VanessaE in fact anything that uses light or medium grey should also use the exact dye colors instead of groups
00:24 VanessaE since those two also evaluate to the same thing
00:24 andersje hrm, I don't think anything uses grey
00:24 VanessaE nope
00:24 VanessaE guess not
00:24 andersje okay so unicolor_magenta becomes dye:magenta ?
00:24 VanessaE just pointing it out for future reference.
00:24 andersje (thanks)
00:24 VanessaE yeah, try that
00:25 VanessaE group:dye,unicolor_magenta -->  dye:magenta
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00:26 Vazon_ hay guys i have a ?
00:26 VanessaE andersje: looks like brown and yellow have the same problem too
00:26 andersje hahaha, that's funny.
00:26 andersje I kinda wish your whole dyes mod would've made it into base.
00:26 VanessaE use dye:yellow where that one's called for
00:26 VanessaE yeah, me too
00:26 Vazon_ On the technicc mod how do you use the mining laser?
00:26 andersje that would've allowed existing code to just change unifieddyes:blah to dyes:blah
00:26 VanessaE my way is 100x better
00:26 andersje yellow works!
00:26 andersje i think.
00:26 andersje lemme check once the client loads
00:26 VanessaE Vazon_: just charge it up and then click with it like any other tool
00:27 Vazon_ o you have to charge it XD
00:27 VanessaE it fires and digs a trench, you have to collect them
00:27 VanessaE andersje: by what I understand of this, brown will work where yellow is called for
00:27 VanessaE which is wrong :P
00:27 Vazon_ ok
00:28 VanessaE (if the recipe calls for basecolor_yellow anyway)
00:28 andersje hrm.  yeah, that's a bummer
00:28 andersje okay, I'll fix it.
00:30 andersje yeah, dye:dark_green still gives the same old green...
00:30 * andersje thinks
00:30 andersje I wonder if I have to change green to dye:green.
00:31 VanessaE if you need true green vs. dark ,yeah
00:31 VanessaE because it has that same mapping:  https://github.com/minetest/common/blob/master/mods/dye/init.lua#L66\
00:31 VanessaE grr
00:31 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/common/blob/master/mods/dye/init.lua#L66
00:32 andersje that fixed my green issues.
00:32 andersje but still seeing magenta vs. red_violet
00:32 * andersje thinks
00:32 andersje I think the red_violet recipt needs fixing
00:32 VanessaE both greys are equated, as re both greens, yellow/brown, magenta/red-violet/violet, and red/pink
00:33 VanessaE so for all of those, you have to use the exact item name to get it "right".
00:33 andersje what's the exact name of the dye:red_violet ?
00:33 VanessaE unifieddyes:redviolet
00:33 andersje thanks
00:34 VanessaE I think :)
00:34 VanessaE *checks code*
00:34 andersje yeah, you're right.
00:34 andersje that's fixed.
00:34 andersje so now all my base colors are correct
00:35 VanessaE yay!
00:35 * andersje prepares to check that in
00:35 VanessaE interesting, I have all my base colors defined as dye:xxxxx
00:35 VanessaE (in addition to unifieddyes:xxxxx)
00:36 VanessaE *checks blame*
00:36 VanessaE huh.  did that back in May.
00:37 VanessaE guess I forgot :)
00:37 andersje okay, got those changes in.
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00:39 VanessaE hey bas
00:40 andersje hey bas...is the noncubic blocks mod pretty much defunct?
00:40 VanessaE andersje: CNC mill in Technic.
00:40 andersje okay, so I gotta switch to that one.
00:40 andersje the kids love noncubic, didn't realize technic was the successor
00:43 Vazon_ VanessaE what do i use to charge th mining laser?
00:44 VanessaE a battery box + LV solar arrays + switching station
00:44 VanessaE (or any other LV power source)
00:44 Vazon_ ok
00:44 VanessaE solar array --> switching station --> batt box <-- put your laser into the batt box
00:44 NekoGloop technic is a giant pack of random shit
00:44 VanessaE let it charge, take it back out, use it.
00:45 Vazon_ ok
00:45 NekoGloop //hypocritcal gloop//
00:45 VanessaE NekoGloop: indeed, says the guy who started Gloopblocks :P_
00:45 VanessaE :P
00:45 VanessaE (and myself, who ran with it :P )
00:45 NekoGloop :3
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00:48 Vazon_ VanessaEwill a generator work?
00:48 VanessaE sure
00:48 Vazon_ ok
00:48 VanessaE anything that produces LV power will be fine
00:48 VanessaE solar, thermal, coal..
00:48 Vazon_ ok
00:49 NekoGloop register_gloopblocks_alias? Don't remember that.
00:49 VanessaE I added it to cover for moreblocks being stupid at one time
00:49 NekoGloop heh
00:49 VanessaE to allow me to keep gloopblocks' stairs et al. in the gloopblocks: namespace.
00:49 VanessaE it's hacky, but it works :)
00:51 NekoGloop I forgot how ugly pumice is.
00:51 VanessaE aw come on
00:51 VanessaE it works well enough
00:52 VanessaE if you got better textures, submit 'em :)
00:52 NekoGloop I'll submit whatever the hell I want ;)
00:52 VanessaE and I'll accept/reject whatever the hell I want :P
00:52 VanessaE :)
00:52 NekoGloop Ohey, you should remove Thumbs.db
00:53 VanessaE oops!
00:53 NekoGloop .gitignore, it's there for a reason!
00:53 NekoGloop ;)
00:53 VanessaE deleted.
00:54 NekoGloop also what the hell is with my github avatar O.o
00:55 VanessaE dunno
00:55 VanessaE never saw that before
00:55 Menche what happened to Minetest's github avatar? it's a bunch of purple squares
00:55 Menche like a wierd eye or something
00:55 NekoGloop ... huh
00:56 NekoGloop Has github taken a liking to Atari-style avatars? :P
00:57 NekoGloop Hm, pumice needs a thing for it...
00:57 VanessaE it must be an automatic thingf
00:58 NekoGloop I know
00:58 VanessaE I've see similar auto-generated avatars on other forums
00:58 NekoGloop Er
00:58 Menche looking down minetest's commits; kahrl, xyzz, and kwolekr have those weird avatars
00:58 VanessaE at least mine still works
00:58 NekoGloop How did I read "automatic" as "aesthetic"
00:58 VanessaE maybe it's related to the server outage last nirhgt
00:58 VanessaE night*
00:59 Menche but sapier still has the github default blank avater
00:59 Menche *avatar
00:59 PilzAdam VanessaE, you are op, choose the sandwich of the day
00:59 Vazon_ VanessaE the switching staion says no netowrk
00:59 Menche that's been like that longer than last night
00:59 VanessaE PilzAdam: I have nothing new to offer :)
00:59 * Menche probably just pinged half of the core devs :P
00:59 NekoGloop nah, only karl
01:00 VanessaE Vazon_: maybe it's not the switching station then
01:00 NekoGloop the other two go by other names
01:00 VanessaE but the other one
01:00 VanessaE whatever it was called
01:00 NekoGloop PilzAdam, Turkey Burger w/ Steak Sauce
01:01 NekoGloop Oh, I see. Gravatar redid how they do things.
01:04 andersje you know what?  I think the pixmaps for the light_ and pastel_ and faint_ are the same.
01:05 andersje i honestly can't see the difference between them, though I've got them working now
01:05 andersje well, maybe someone else can.
01:06 VanessaE odd, I thought I had those working right
01:06 PilzAdam bye
01:06 andersje no, in the blocks
01:06 andersje your DYES are different
01:06 VanessaE well, grab the ones from 16px HDX, they're nearly identical anyway
01:06 andersje but these blocks...I can see I'm crafting the right ones...but I put them next to each other...*pfft*
01:06 andersje okay, checking in, I think
01:07 andersje making sure I have redviolet working again...after I broke it...
01:07 VanessaE I think I'm gonna go lie down, maybe for the night
01:08 VanessaE I'm crashing, bad
01:08 andersje yeah, you were up late last night
01:09 VanessaE bbl; I'mm check your changes when I return
01:13 andersje checked in.
01:24 NekoGloop oh, hey, that scaffolding image is still there.
01:25 andersje scaffolding image?
01:41 NekoGloop rawr lua, work dammit
01:43 andersje is doyousketch2 missing in action?
01:46 ShadowNinja VanessaE: Are all of these bans necessary? *!*@189.191.* *!*@189.144.* *!*@201.141.* *!*@*198.144.*
01:46 NekoGloop proxies.
01:46 NekoGloop we don't like those proxies.
01:46 ShadowNinja Note: The last one will also match 23.198.144.45
01:47 NekoGloop goddammit.
01:47 NekoGloop http://pastebin.com/9mDh1EAk halp
01:47 NekoGloop it's not placing the scaffolding above it.
01:48 ShadowNinja These are also a little broad: *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.144.* *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.191.*
01:48 NekoGloop It's eating stack upon stack of scaffolds.
01:48 NekoGloop Not placing.
01:48 NekoGloop ShadowNinja, LM.
01:49 ShadowNinja Well I suppose the fourth one should be changed.
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01:50 NekoGloop Hey, you, you know lua right?
01:50 NekoGloop Could you see what I'm doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/9mDh1EAk
01:50 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: itemstack:take_item() return itemstack
01:50 NekoGloop That's not the problem
01:51 ShadowNinja (Probably not the bug, but much cleaner)
01:51 NekoGloop It's eating stack upon stack of scaffolds, yes.
01:51 NekoGloop But it's not placing them.
01:51 ShadowNinja Also: You can replace any node with that, it doesn't check the node above.
01:51 NekoGloop Yes yes yes.
01:51 NekoGloop I'd like it to actually place the node before I mess with that.
01:52 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: Does it eat the whole stack at a time?
01:52 NekoGloop No.
01:52 NekoGloop One at a time.
01:52 NekoGloop Slowly yet consistantly refusing to place the scaffolding above it.
01:52 ShadowNinja Ah.
01:52 NekoGloop (I'll also make the scaffolding placing be up to like 20 or so
01:53 ShadowNinja pos={x=pos.x, y=pos.y+1, z=pos.z}
01:53 ShadowNinja You just used a table without setting the keys.
01:53 NekoGloop b-but... I don't have to do that with the node... why do I have to do it for the pos...
01:54 ShadowNinja Hmmm? Positions are always indexed by x, y, and z; Never 1, 2, and 3.
01:54 NekoGloop Oh, depr.
01:55 NekoGloop derp
01:55 NekoGloop THAT part.
01:55 NekoGloop I thought you meant the preceding pos=
01:56 andersje oh, man.  my youngest went NUTS with railcars in one of the worlds.  and accelerating track
01:56 andersje can you say high cpu usage?
01:57 NekoGloop Alright, how do I make a for-loop repeat 20 times...
01:57 andersje for 1 .. 20 ?
01:58 ShadowNinja for i = 1, 20 do <code> end
01:59 NekoGloop Ah, right.
01:59 NekoGloop I keep forgetting that works.
02:08 andersje does anyone run realtest
02:09 NekoGloop yay more stupidass mistakes x.x
02:11 NekoGloop How do I detect air? :P
02:16 * NekoGloop coughs loudly
02:19 NekoGloop *cough* how do I detect air *cough*
02:26 kahrl By coughing. If you can inhale after the coughing, there is air.
02:30 NekoGloop heh
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02:31 hoodedice So...
02:32 NekoGloop hoodedice, no
02:32 hoodedice ...Empty?
02:32 hoodedice no.
02:32 NekoGloop kahrl, have you played with glooptest?
02:34 NekoGloop I know you said you liked my usage of the default chest texture for the treasure chests, but that was only a screenshot.
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02:36 kahrl I haven't played with it
02:40 NekoGloop I see.
02:41 NekoGloop My scaffolding has a slight glitch... It's placing an entire wall of scaffolding xD
02:41 NekoGloop Also, does climbable work on solid things yet?
02:47 NekoGloop OH MY GOD I GOT IT WORKING.
02:47 hoodedice Neko, do you have any exerience with survival servers?
02:48 NekoGloop No.
02:48 NekoGloop And you can get rid of "survival" and it would still be no.
02:48 NekoGloop Hell, if you asked me if I actually played minetest, the answer would still be no.
02:50 andersje really?
02:50 andersje you just code stuff for it?
02:51 NekoGloop Yep.
02:56 NekoGloop Hm... How do I make something have wood texture on top and bottom, but the sides are "gloopblocks_scaffolding.png"?
02:56 NekoGloop Oh, wait, that doesn't work with allfaces.
02:56 NekoGloop I'm a derp.
02:59 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: Try using nodeboxes.
03:00 NekoGloop will that work like allfaces for the purpose of not culling the faces behind it?
03:02 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: No, I meant use nodeboxes for the scafolding, not one node-sized nodebox.
03:02 ShadowNinja See technic frames.
03:03 NekoGloop that would require me to actually have technic
03:03 ShadowNinja Look for screenshots on the forum?
03:07 NekoGloop RBA's screenies died
03:14 hoodedice I wish I was more like Neko
03:14 hoodedice Did try out coding once but gaming is more fun (for now)
03:19 hoodedice *silence*
03:20 NekoGloop You want to be more like a cat?
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03:22 Vazon hay guys what do you put in a alloy furnus to get it to work?
03:23 NekoGloop You put "ce" in it.
03:23 Vazon put what in it?
03:24 NekoGloop And take out the "s"
03:25 Vazon NekoGloop what are you talking about?>
03:25 NekoGloop I'm talking about your horrible spelling.
03:26 Vazon o sorry
03:26 NekoGloop oh*
03:26 Vazon that isnt what i need tho what do I put in it to get it to work?
03:27 NekoGloop Do you have the electric or coal one
03:29 ShadowNinja Vazon: Look at technic/machines/register/grinder.lua for recipes.
03:29 ShadowNinja (In the rewrite branch)
03:30 ShadowNinja In master I think it is in technic/machines/lv/grinder.lua
03:30 Vazon ok
03:31 Vazon Neko coal
03:32 NekoGloop then you put coal and whatever you're alloying together in the thing
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03:49 Dogzilla131 Hi
03:51 Dogzilla131 Can somebody tell me the wazuland irc link
03:52 ShadowNinja Dogzilla131: Surely they have a forum topic for you to get it from?
03:52 Dogzilla131 ok ill try to find it
03:55 Dogzilla131 thanks
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04:19 andersje is there a way to say that a recipe can use either A or B in a slot?
04:19 andersje nevermind.  both mobf and mobs use wool:white
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04:26 ShadowNinja Every time I look at technic I see something else that can be removed/compacted. Already at 5 insertions, 145 deletions.
04:28 ShadowNinja Oh, 107 insertions, (had to git add)
04:29 ShadowNinja I just need to completely rewrite the way power is stored and transfered to be fast and not waste power now...
04:32 ShadowNinja So what is the biggest diff you have made to code in an established project?
04:33 NekoGloop lol
04:33 NekoGloop Are technic's solars actually solar-powered, and not height-powered?
04:34 ShadowNinja Why does github say my second programing language is shell? I don't remenber pushing and shell diff. NekoGloop: Yes, partially.
04:34 ShadowNinja any*
04:34 NekoGloop Can you still power them with a torch? :P
04:35 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: Yes, if you keep them above ground during day.
04:35 NekoGloop So the sun is actually needed? :P
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04:36 nothoodedice so...
04:37 NekoGloop meow
04:37 nothoodedice *bark*
04:39 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: No, but the time, height, and light is taken into account.
04:40 NekoGloop I see...
04:40 NekoGloop We need a minetest:in_sunlight(pos) or something
04:40 NekoGloop That actually returns if it's in SUNLIGHT, not "light during day"
04:40 ShadowNinja NekoGloop: There is a pull for getting node sunlight.
04:41 ShadowNinja (At this point you name it, there is a month+ old pull for it...)
04:42 NekoGloop ... figures.
04:42 NekoGloop You know, actually making progress is forbidden 'ere.
04:46 andersje if i made a minor change to an abandoned mod (cornernote's bags) and forked it...where would the note on that go?
04:48 NekoGloop cornernote's banned, ain't he?
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04:49 andersje yeah.
04:49 andersje I searched for a mod release page on his bags...
04:49 * andersje looks harder
04:49 NekoGloop He wiped his posts
04:49 andersje !!
04:50 andersje wtf?  he really lost it.
04:52 andersje ah, found his bag post.
04:52 andersje I'll follow up to that.
04:54 andersje holy crap, prestibags are nuts
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04:58 nore hi
04:58 andersje hola
04:59 nore ShadowNinja, have you finished your rewrite of technic?
04:59 ShadowNinja nore: I have worked on it more, it mostly just needs testing.
05:00 nore I have a question, though
05:00 nore IIRC, some properties of nodes related to technic are coded in nodedef
05:01 ShadowNinja nore: Yes.
05:01 nore see in #minetest-technic
05:01 ShadowNinja tier and such.
05:01 andersje is 0gb.us also AWOL?  I like his chests mod.  :/
05:02 ShadowNinja andersje: I haven't seen him on IRC for a week or so. And he is no longer interested in Minetest.
05:02 andersje yep, that'll happen
05:03 nore !seen 0gb.us
05:03 MinetestBot nore: Sorry, I haven't seen 0gb.us around.
05:03 NekoGloop He has a different name on irc
05:04 nore which one?
05:04 andersje oh, okay.
05:04 andersje so Zeg9's inventory++ is now the preferred inventory modification gadget, right?
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05:04 NekoGloop No, technic
05:05 NekoGloop because everyone but me plays with technic
05:05 andersje !! that has a TON of dependencies, tho
05:05 NekoGloop technic does everything
05:05 NekoGloop I think he's really lost sight of any real goal, tbh.
05:05 andersje okay, you had me going for a minute there
05:06 ShadowNinja us_0gb, [0gb_us], and recently Guest00000.
05:06 andersje !seen us_0gb
05:06 MinetestBot andersje: Sorry, I haven't seen us_0gb around.
05:06 andersje !seen Guest00000
05:06 MinetestBot andersje: Sorry, I haven't seen guest00000 around.
05:06 andersje !seen [0gb_us]
05:06 MinetestBot andersje: Sorry, I haven't seen [0gb_us] around.
05:08 ShadowNinja andersje: He hasn't been here for a month+. (I meet him in other places)
05:09 andersje well, tell him my boys and I are still using his mods on our servers.  he did good work, sorry he burned out
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05:37 alex256 hello
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05:41 ShadowNinja Hello alex256!
05:56 nore kaeza, I need texture for one last node... ;)
05:57 nore +s
05:57 kaeza texture+s or node+s? :P
05:58 nore texture +s
05:58 nore for the floppy programmator, with a node that can put existing programs in a floppy
05:59 kaeza shouldn't that be the job of the floppy drive?
06:03 kaeza or you mean more like a separate floppy controller?
06:03 nore the floppy drive is connected to a computer, the floppy programmator is standalone and writes only some programs on the floppy
06:03 nore you can't add custom programs to that
06:04 nore If we did not have that, one would have no way of booting a computer, and then no way of writing something to a floppy
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06:09 kaeza gotcha
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06:32 kaeza yey I haz a mainframe https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_2849826113.jpg
06:33 kaeza I iz a movie hacker :3
06:35 nore what does this do?
06:35 nore did you program it, or is it only for decoration?
06:36 kaeza just deco
06:38 kaeza is that OK for a texture?
06:38 kaeza I'm not feeling very imaginative right now :/
06:38 nore yes, ofc
06:40 kaeza https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/floppy_thingy_textures.zip
06:43 nore thanks
06:48 nore kaeza, those are CC-BY-SA too?
06:48 kaeza yup
07:12 alex256 hopefully tommorow i will be back on minetest...going thrift store shopping for a video card.....i bought my son a 256mb nvidia pci express card yesterday for 2 bucks....
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08:14 Jordach topic not changed again!!?!
08:14 Jordach !op
08:14 Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Sandwich of the day: BACON SANDWICH!
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08:24 * Jordach waits for Evergreen
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08:29 Jordach the best part about evergreen's model is that i don't have to have it a little off the face (like Sam, or other models)
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08:52 PenguinDad So true http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2013/08/22/les-feedbacks-utilisateurs/
08:57 Calinou heh
08:58 PenguinDad reminds me to the forums :)
09:01 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/fdoyFZg.png
09:01 Jordach double sided faces ftw
09:02 Jordach <sfan5> does this look nice? http://i.imgur.com/EIFwD3l.png
09:02 Jordach sfan5: yes.
09:03 * sfan5 is afraid it doesn't comply with Apples UI Design Guides
09:03 Jordach pop a nice border and a background of sky blue
09:03 sfan5 what 'bout clouds?
09:03 Jordach that sounds good
09:03 Jordach if you have the source file; i can apple-ise it
09:04 Jordach (THERE ARE templates on google.)
09:04 sfan5 well
09:04 Calinou iOS apps can have transparent backgrounds now?
09:04 Calinou app icons*
09:04 Calinou afaik, it needs to be black
09:05 sfan5 the source file is just the misc/minetest-icon.svg in 57x, 72x, 114x and 144x
09:10 Jordach sfan5: wait for iOS 7
09:11 Jordach they're ditching the skeunomorphic (spelt right?) designs
09:11 Jordach so actually, minetest might pass.
09:11 Jordach hint: browse the app store for hints
09:11 Calinou flat design!
09:11 Calinou read: they copied MS
09:12 nore sfan5: does minetest work on iOS now?
09:12 sfan5 nore: not yet
09:13 nore I guess your problem is Irrlicht, ain't it?
09:13 sfan5 the wrapper thread which has to do with all the UIKit stuff crashes
09:13 sfan5 no Irrlicht works fine
09:14 nore and will your port work for Android too?
09:14 PenguinDad nope
09:14 nore Or is it completely different interfaces?
09:16 sfan5 nore: no; no
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09:16 nore so interfaces have similarities, so it will make the port to Android easier, it that right?
09:17 sfan5 define interface
09:17 sfan5 if you mean the programming interface
09:17 sfan5 iOS and Android are completly different
09:18 nore yes, I meant programming interfaces
09:18 sfan5 they are completly different
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09:19 nore and will you make a port for Android too?
09:19 PenguinDad nore: good luck, have fun
09:19 nore I don't know Android, so I can't do this port
09:20 Jordach sfan5: notbad.png
09:20 sfan5 we can use NativeActivity on Android, but these won't load shared libraries with dependencies
09:21 nore b
09:21 nore ut loading the dependencies before the libraries that need them would work?
09:22 sfan5 no
09:22 nore what could be done then?
09:22 sfan5 I would have to duplicate the functionality of ld.so for that
09:22 nore since IIRC, you made the server work on Android
09:23 sfan5 the server doesn't need to be compiled to a shared library
09:23 sfan5 its not an App
09:24 nore and is it possible to merge shared libraries in one shared library?
09:24 sfan5 yes
09:24 sfan5 static linking
09:26 PenguinDad hasn't static linking issues with portability?
09:26 sfan5 yes
09:28 Jordach but the app is portable!1
09:28 Jordach because it runs on a mobile device
09:28 PenguinDad :D
09:28 Jordach </clearly_joking>
09:29 Jordach btw, i just made a chest
09:30 thexyz sfan5: well i had similar thing running on my android tablet, also why did you [off] this message?
09:31 sfan5 thexyz: because I don't like everyone seeing what apps I have on page 3
09:31 thexyz I think I really should disable this feature
09:32 sfan5 :/
09:32 Jordach it's an unlisted video, like they will find it normally
09:39 * Jordach is busy rendering 40 frames
09:39 Jordach fun fact: spotify won't play ads if the CPU is overloaded (easy on a Pentium 4)
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09:40 Jordach sfan5: y u no use http://mg.viewskew.com
09:45 Jordach btw, http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/chest-animation-test/
09:45 Jordach cel shading +  minetest = good looks
09:58 PenguinDad in a few weeks i can play minetest again :(
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10:02 Jordach iirc, there's a pentium 4 in this house with 1gb of ram with xubuntu loaded on it
10:02 Jordach you want it? come to my place and have it
10:05 PenguinDad no i mean paramat's mods need a week for generation :P
10:10 Jordach > paramat's mods
10:15 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/UX6lw7W.png
10:16 Jordach fixed: http://i.imgur.com/G78Om4E.png
10:19 PenguinDad i use them with LuaJIT but without Voxelmanipulators :/
10:20 PenguinDad Jordach: why the ctcp version?
10:20 Jordach trying to work out OS
10:23 Jordach MinetestBot!
10:23 MinetestBot Jordach!
10:23 * Jordach pets MinetestBot
10:23 PenguinDad hi MinetestBot
10:23 MinetestBot Hello PenguinDad.
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10:48 * Jordach makes another render
10:48 * Jordach is making minetest props to be used in blender
10:48 Jordach tools, blocks, name it
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10:55 john_minetest Hello everypony and anybody else.
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10:57 PenguinDad hello john_minetest
10:58 john_minetest Of course my new graphics don't support GL, too.
10:58 john_minetest But the WM loads properly now...
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11:02 Jordach [11:58:20] <john_minetest> Of course my new graphics don't support GL, too.
11:02 Jordach [11:58:37] <john_minetest> But the WM loads properly now...
11:02 Jordach Calinou: ^^
11:04 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/locked-chest-animation-test/
11:07 * Jordach does things properly: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107060#p107060
11:10 PenguinDad paramat's flatten mod still generates the terrain :(
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11:11 Jordach +100 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106979#p106979
11:12 PenguinDad +math.huge
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11:13 Jordach afernoon PilzAdam
11:14 john_minetest Jordach: Cool chest
11:14 john_minetest Hi PilzAdam
11:14 Jordach no one can blender like me :D
11:14 PenguinDad hi PilzAdam
11:14 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
11:14 Jordach s/Hello/Good news/
11:22 kaeza lol https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107060#p107060
11:25 Jordach i just spoke for the 3,xxx members
11:25 PilzAdam ^
11:26 Jordach if you want spam removed quickly, ping me
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11:35 Jordach kaeza: @Jordach make better textures pl0x mine are shit.
11:36 kaeza Jordach, wat
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11:36 Rhys Hello everyone.
11:36 Jordach end of page 3 of computers
11:37 kaeza that was long ago :)
11:37 Guest60823 I hate when that happens.
11:37 Rhys11 Alright.
11:38 Rhys11 Well, I have this annoying bug on my Minetest 0.4.7.
11:38 Rhys11 Where all of the icons are different to the actual item.
11:38 Rhys11 Any things that can help?
11:38 sfan5 Rhys11: search in the forum
11:38 Rhys11 I have - nothing.
11:38 sfan5 there are like 50 topic about that problem
11:38 kaeza FSIYF?
11:39 Rhys11 Seriously? O_O
11:39 Jordach Rhys11: enable_texture_atlas = false
11:39 Rhys11 Alright.
11:39 Rhys11 Another problem: I have no minetest.conf.
11:39 Jordach (or you need more video memory; which was the case for many people using IGPs)
11:40 Rhys11 ...
11:41 kaeza yey chromium crash! \o/
11:41 Rhys11 ...
11:41 kaeza ...
11:41 Rhys11 Anyways, any ideas?
11:41 kaeza [08:39:18] <Jordach> Rhys11: enable_texture_atlas = false
11:41 Rhys11 For a start, I need minetest.conf.
11:41 Jordach Rhys11: using windows or a linux distro
11:41 kaeza :|
11:42 Rhys11 Windows XP.
11:42 kaeza Rhys11, minetest.conf is autogenerated
11:42 Rhys11 I only have the EXAMPLE one.
11:42 kaeza have you looked inside bin\ ?
11:43 Rhys11 Ill take a look now - nope.
11:43 Rhys11 Nothing.
11:43 Rhys11 Just debug and minetest + all those files.
11:43 PenguinDad where is your minetest folder?
11:43 kaeza if not just open notepad, create a new file, add the line Jordach said, and save it as minetest.conf
11:43 Rhys11 In my documents, and ok kaeza
11:44 Rhys11 Is a text doc ok?
11:45 kaeza type "minetest.conf" (with quotes) in the filename field
11:45 Rhys11 Windows wont accept "
11:45 kaeza at least for notepad it does not matter what "file type" you select
11:45 Jordach and make sure you put "All files"
11:45 Rhys11 Ah.
11:46 Jordach in place of .txt (text document)
11:46 Rhys11 Is replacing the EXAMPLE file alright?
11:47 kaeza ...
11:47 * kaeza walks away
11:47 * Rhys11 drags kaeza back
11:47 Jordach Rhys11: that's a common problem
11:47 Jordach the .example conf isnt read
11:48 Rhys11 Fair enough
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11:48 Rhys11 Now, lets see.
11:48 Rhys11 Still the same.
11:49 Jordach then it boils down to low video ram in your hardwar
11:49 Jordach e*
11:49 DanDuncombe What is wrong?
11:49 Rhys11 Icon Problem, Dan.
11:49 Rhys11 Well, I do have a 2005 laptop. D:
11:49 Calinou yes, too old
11:49 Rhys11 I blame my dad.
11:49 DanDuncombe I have had that bug since I started playing Minetest and I just put up with it.
11:49 Jordach heh
11:50 DanDuncombe Just do the inventory_image thing
11:50 Rhys11 He gave this c*** laptop for my 10th b-day.
11:50 Jordach Rhys11: the other alternative is just open INV, check which node it is
11:50 * Jordach once burned down a forest once in creative
11:50 Rhys11 I did, got that error I posted on the Icon Problem topic
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11:50 reactor Hey.
11:50 Rhys11 But, uh...
11:50 Jordach i have a lava source, then accidentially dumped it :(
11:50 DanDuncombe The debug.txt error is what we need Rhys11
11:50 reactor How come Minetest uses port 30000?
11:51 Calinou or use a mod that replaces 3D previews with 2D images
11:51 Jordach reactor: it's just a big round number
11:51 Calinou but only works in single player
11:51 reactor It's not allowed to use ports 1-49152 without registration.
11:51 Calinou (or, edit source code so that 3D previews are never generated)
11:51 sfan5 wat
11:51 Calinou reactor: cool story bro
11:51 reactor services(5)
11:51 Calinou talk to RE/sauerbraten/minecraft/xonotic devs
11:51 DanDuncombe Rhys11: Delete debug.txt, run Minetest to get the error, post debug.txt
11:51 Rhys11 Alright.
11:51 Rhys11 IRC or the topic?
11:51 sfan5 the unprivileges ports go from 1-1024 not -49152
11:51 Jordach DanDuncombe: it's the wrong item in inventory bug that appears with blocks
11:52 DanDuncombe Put a pastebin link on the IRC
11:52 reactor sfan5: the unprivileged, yes
11:52 reactor sfan5: not the dynamic ones
11:52 sfan5 *privileged
11:52 DanDuncombe Jordach, the problem I am talking about is he tried to add inventory_image to everything but got an error
11:52 reactor sfan5: the file says the use of ports up to 49152 require registration by IANA.
11:52 Rhys11 Got no error. I re-installed Minetest after the error.
11:52 Jordach Rhys11: see that cache folder? bin it
11:53 reactor it's not a big problem, but as the project matures it may collide other programs using it
11:53 PenguinDad reactor: which file?
11:53 DanDuncombe Do you have the inventory_image thing added yet Rhys11
11:53 reactor PenguinDad: /etc/services in any recent UNIX.
11:53 Jordach (you will  be downloading every file again!)
11:53 Rhys11 I did, but got that error, and re-installed to get rid of the error.
11:53 sfan5 reactor: who cares? Minecraft didn't register 25565 either
11:53 Rhys11 Then what Jordach?
11:53 DanDuncombe Well, do it for one node, and see if you get the error Rhys11
11:53 Jordach Rhys11: the client will download everyfile again
11:54 Rhys11 Ah.
11:54 Jordach which "should" clear it
11:54 reactor sfan5: ha, if someone doesn't respect the rules, why copy their mistake?
11:54 DanDuncombe Cache is downloaded server files
11:54 reactor screw Minecraft
11:54 Calinou 49152+ are sometimes used by clients
11:54 Calinou ephemeral ports
11:54 Rhys11 Hmf.
11:54 Rhys11 Still the same.
11:54 Rhys11 Alright Dan.
11:54 DanDuncombe Still the error?
11:54 Calinou Rhys11: try playing fullscreen
11:54 Calinou screenW = 1024
11:54 reactor Calinou: these don't require registration, yes
11:54 Calinou screenH = 600
11:55 Calinou fullscreen = 1
11:55 DanDuncombe Fullscreen doesn't work, I have tried it before
11:55 Calinou replace 1024 and 600 with screen width and height in pixels
11:55 reactor Calinou: it's not a problem if you collide above 49152
11:55 sfan5 reactor: Call of Duty, Battlefield, WoW don't have registered ports either
11:55 Rhys11 Always play full-screen
11:55 Calinou these are not good examples :P
11:55 Rhys11 :P
11:55 reactor sfan5: because they don't run on UNIX.
11:55 DanDuncombe I play fullscreen by pressing the fullscreen button
11:55 reactor shy should they care about the OS they don't support?
11:55 Rhys11 Exactimondo
11:55 reactor why*
11:55 sfan5 reactor: it has nothing to do with unix?
11:56 reactor Maybe with TCP then.
11:56 PenguinDad my /etc/services say nothing about a range of ports that must be registered :P
11:56 reactor And they're breaking the rules.
11:56 PenguinDad *says
11:56 reactor Commercialists are allowed to, for some reason.
11:56 * Rhys11 bangs his head on the table
11:57 DanDuncombe Rhys11 what is the problem
11:57 * Calinou bangs his graphics card on the table
11:57 Rhys11 Icon Problem.
11:57 kaeza reactor, oh no! we broke the rules! the economy will collapse! and all that apocalyptic shit!
11:57 Rhys11 Bad Computer.
11:57 kaeza seriously, how is this a big problem?
11:57 Rhys11 Could someone give me atleast £800 for a new one? :D
11:57 sfan5 reactor: just look at the Inofficial port of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers#Registered_ports
11:57 reactor kaeza: it's standards
11:57 Calinou if a rule isn't followed by anybody, it is probably not a sane rule
11:57 Rhys11 Well, kaeza, I dont exactly like this bug.
11:58 Rhys11 Well, thing.
11:58 Calinou standards are sometimes not followed, to reduce the amount of headaches
11:58 kaeza Rhys11, ahem...
11:58 Rhys11 Spill.
11:58 Calinou look at the way nvidia implements opengl, and the way web browsers implement HTML
11:58 kaeza I am talking to reactor...
11:58 Rhys11 Ah.
11:58 Rhys11 Sorry.
11:58 Rhys11 *Shy Face*
11:58 reactor if no one follows standards, the area turns in a mess
11:58 Calinou shy faces are so old, use fluttershy faces
11:58 Rhys11 *Fluttershy Face*
11:58 Calinou if everyone follows standards, people making aspirine get rich
11:59 reactor in a long run, they don't
11:59 reactor on the*
11:59 Rhys11 *o.o*
11:59 Calinou noone wants to be stuck 2 hours in front of code that doesn't work because of standards enforcement
11:59 sfan5 Wikipedia lists 635 unofficial port uses vs. 395 official ones (>= 1024)
11:59 reactor it's always short-term vs long-term profit
11:59 reactor by following standards you win long-term
11:59 Jordach reactor: IANA are a bunch of enforcing idiots; just like the W3C
11:59 sfan5 does it look like anyone is following the rule?
11:59 * Rhys11 wants money.
11:59 reactor because compatibility with your product is assured by standards
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11:59 kaeza reactor, [08:57:40] <kaeza> seriously, how is this a big problem?
12:00 Calinou well, most programmers are lazy anyway, lol
12:00 kaeza in any case, you can see no one here cares
12:00 Jordach reactor: go complain in #debian
12:00 Rhys11 Even my hand dosent care.
12:00 Calinou >complaining >debian
12:00 Rhys11 D:
12:00 reactor Not that I give a shit.
12:00 Calinou Rhys11: that's what she said
12:00 reactor But eh.
12:00 * Calinou runs
12:00 Rhys11 D:
12:00 kaeza lol Calinou
12:00 Rhys11 Nice exercise, huh?
12:01 Jordach reactor: does this face of mine give two fucks about any internet standard? no. the internet is just a protocol, and why should protocol's be physically owned by people
12:01 Jordach turning the internet into a non-free zone is the *worst* possible thing to happen.
12:01 reactor If it's not owned by anyone, that doesn't mean you shouldn't conform it.
12:01 Rhys11 Just a question: What is the default settings for minetest.conf?
12:01 reactor That's how Internet appeared.
12:01 kaeza Rhys11, minetest.conf.example
12:02 Rhys11 Hmf.
12:02 reactor You wouldn't see the Internet without standards, seriously.
12:02 Rhys11 Its giving me all that text shit.
12:02 Calinou <reactor> If it's not owned by anyone, that doesn't mean you shouldn't conform it.
12:02 Calinou +1
12:02 Jordach this is like patenting binary
12:03 reactor Standards are about compatibility, look what non-standard implementations have done to web development.
12:03 Jordach and? mozilla and chromium just implement them
12:03 reactor And become huge, unstable monsters.
12:03 Jordach ^ uses a text browser
12:03 * Rhys11 waits for help.
12:03 reactor That monopolise your machine's resources.
12:04 kaeza reactor, and Minetest is an important component of the WWW because...?
12:04 Calinou he does make a point, look at firefox/chromium compile times lol
12:04 reactor As a consequence, they become pwnable.
12:04 Jordach reactor: im running chrome right now and nothing has locked up!
12:04 Calinou but they are both fine on run time
12:04 Rhys11 Ill just look at laptops. :D
12:04 Rhys11 Is it a Windows bug, or my computer?
12:04 Calinou laptops are not good for gaming, by the wya
12:04 reactor Waiting two minutes for Firefox to load on a modern machine is NOT normal.
12:04 Calinou "gaming laptop" is an oxymoron
12:05 Jordach reactor: go back to your bsd channels; nobody here wants to give one fuck about your tiny problem
12:05 Calinou reactor: get a SSD, or a better HDD
12:05 Calinou 5400RPM HDDs aren't meant to put an OS on
12:05 Rhys11 They are like £80000. No way I am getting one.
12:05 reactor It's not about my hardware.
12:05 kaeza Jordach, DNFTT
12:05 Calinou it matters, a lot
12:05 Jordach kaeza: english
12:05 reactor It's about the software's lameness.
12:05 Rhys11 So, Windows bug or my comp?
12:05 john_minetest Calinou: Two of my favourite oxymorons: "military intelligence" and "microsoft works"
12:05 Calinou Jordach: be nice to people
12:05 Jordach Rhys11: just a bug in general
12:05 reactor Rhys11: Windows _is_ a bug.
12:05 Calinou john_minetest: french military victories
12:05 Rhys11 Hmf.
12:05 john_minetest lol, that's nice, too
12:06 Calinou have fun using linux on old hardware with old drivers
12:06 Rhys11 Well, thats just good, very good.
12:06 Calinou legacy drivers on linux are a PITA :P
12:06 Calinou hopefully I don't have to use any :P
12:06 Rhys11 Linux here we come...
12:06 reactor Legacy, as in?
12:06 john_minetest I am having fun using linux on old hardware with new drivers.
12:06 Rhys11 Someone kill me already. -.-.
12:07 * kaeza kills Rhys11
12:07 reactor Rhys11: out of ammo. Try again later.
12:07 * Rhys11 's spirit enters the world
12:07 reactor *click-click*
12:07 Calinou reactor: legacy drivers are the drivers you use on old cards
12:07 Calinou the proprieatary ones
12:07 Rhys11 Lol.
12:07 reactor Calinou: as in?
12:07 Calinou nvidia drivers on 6000/7000s
12:07 john_minetest Rhys11: Error when deleting element "Rhys11": Element not initialized properly
12:08 Rhys11 xD
12:08 Calinou or AMD on 2000/3000/4000s
12:08 reactor Oh, that.
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12:08 Rhys11 Alright. Whats the default settings for minetest.conf?
12:08 Calinou (too bad, the 4000s have decent performance by today's standards)
12:08 kaeza Rhys11, minetest.conf.example
12:08 reactor Well, any proprietary drivers are a pain.
12:08 john_minetest I use nouveau on VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV5 [Riva TNT2 Model 64 / Model 64 Pro] (rev 15)
12:08 Calinou lol
12:08 Rhys11 Thats algebra for me, kaeza.
12:08 Calinou reactor: true but nouveau still doesn't have reclocking for fermi/kepler
12:08 reactor Rhys11: algebra is easy.
12:08 reactor Rhys11: you just need to man up.
12:09 Rhys11 Hey hey, woah woah now.
12:09 reactor Calinou: yep
12:09 Rhys11 I hate algebra.
12:09 reactor Rhys11: that's why it hates you back
12:09 john_minetest Once I have installed nouveau, nvidia isn't able to install...
12:09 Rhys11 Hmf.
12:09 Rhys11 :3
12:09 reactor john_minetest: remove nouveau before
12:10 Rhys11 Ill just waste time on the wiki.
12:10 reactor I know one more oxymoron.
12:10 Jordach -oxy
12:10 reactor Sadly, its examples do exist.
12:10 reactor many of them.
12:11 reactor Rather not.
12:11 reactor A person not knowing mathematics.
12:11 reactor Because whoever doesn't know at least school math is not a person.
12:11 andersje reactor:  you must love waldorf schools.
12:11 reactor Such people should be stoned, then buried alive.
12:12 Rhys11 That was easy.
12:12 reactor andersje: waldorf?
12:12 andersje !!
12:12 Rhys11 Bye. Time to eat some gravel. :D
12:12 reactor andersje: note I don't defend school system.
12:12 andersje an offshoot of the theosophical cult (they call themselves anthroposophists), they believe that children shouldn't be taught to read until they've lost their first tooth
12:12 andersje they also don't believe in the use of technological items, by children, before high school.
12:12 reactor andersje: oh; religion is taught ignorance.
12:13 andersje yes!
12:13 Calinou ITT: /r/atheism
12:13 reactor But kids shouldn't be allowed near technology.
12:13 Calinou they should
12:13 Calinou clever kids will eventually make their way and be smart with it
12:13 reactor Because they require special user interfaces.
12:13 andersje but they've successfully one at least one big lawsuit in california, which established that their religion was NOT a religion, so that public funding of their wingnuttery didn't violate the constitution
12:13 andersje calinou:  yes, but that's no reason to hamstring them
12:13 reactor And they make manufacturers invent shit like GUI.
12:13 Jordach i learned most of my techniques from 14 years ago
12:13 reactor Which should die.
12:13 PenguinDad atheism FTW
12:14 andersje *pfft*
12:14 Calinou GUI isn't shit
12:14 andersje I was working on a command line when I was 7, programming basic.   it was the only interface I had.
12:14 Calinou without GUI, there would be no PC games to begin with
12:14 reactor GUI is only good for games.
12:14 reactor And graphics editors.
12:14 andersje zork!
12:14 andersje imagemagick!
12:14 reactor Other stuff is fine without it.
12:14 Jordach reactor: continue like this and i'll slap a mute
12:15 Calinou try doing word processing on CLI and see :P
12:15 reactor Jordach: seriously, what have I said above that is not true?
12:15 reactor Calinou: TeX.
12:15 Jordach reactor: but nobody wants to hear it
12:15 Calinou word processing with rich formatting, that is
12:16 reactor Jordach: gotcha.
12:16 reactor Calinou: that's possible.
12:16 reactor You can view the documents later in a PDF viewer.
12:17 reactor or DVI viewer.
12:17 Calinou that's not convenient at all
12:17 reactor No need to see them while doing it.
12:17 Calinou there is
12:17 reactor Because the program will do the formatting without you having to bother.
12:17 Calinou you've never met people who make maps for quake or HL-based games
12:17 reactor In a consistent manner.
12:17 andersje wysiwyg _is_ easier to use for fancy-formatted stuff
12:17 Calinou they ALL want real time lighting previews or such
12:17 Calinou which is why cube 2 is so successful
12:17 Calinou because you have actual real time editing
12:17 Calinou and not maps to compile
12:17 reactor andersje: it's not; it makes you worry about fonts and styles.
12:18 reactor Calinou: don't compare an ass and a finger
12:18 PenguinDad WYSIWYM is better
12:18 reactor Exactle.
12:18 reactor s/e/y/
12:18 Calinou reactor: why?
12:18 Calinou both involve content creation
12:18 reactor There's a nice editor called LyX, if you want to see almost what you'll get when you typeset it.
12:18 reactor But meh.
12:19 reactor Calinou: different content - different approaches.
12:19 PenguinDad yeah i like LyX
12:19 reactor if you're writing a thesis, you don't want to worry about consistent formatting instead of worrying about the content itself
12:19 Calinou if you're writing a thesis, the only formatting you use is bold, italic, and titles
12:19 reactor if you're making a map, well, you have to worry about these details
12:20 reactor well, I mean, little textures and objects and such
12:20 reactor Calinou: exactly
12:20 reactor that's why there's TeX.
12:20 reactor Because it automates.
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12:22 john_minetest WYTIWID is best concept.
12:22 Calinou pony*
12:23 john_minetest What You Think Is What It Does. Control with thoughts. ;)
12:23 andersje reactor:  not for me.  I would argue that MS Word makes you worry lots about fonts and styles, and it's the design of most GUI WPs that are the issue
12:23 andersje but I do see your point.
12:23 andersje in systems where the formatting can be consistently done w/o WYSIWYG, and it's not too cumbersome (e.g. dokuwiki), I prefer to work in markup-language style.
12:23 * andersje also prefers to use gvim to write HTML.
12:23 andersje oops, s/HTML/everything/g
12:23 andersje was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
12:23 john_minetest lol
12:23 PenguinDad plol
12:25 ruskie broken bot
12:27 DanDuncombe Is there any way of routinely giving every online person an item?
12:28 DanDuncombe In an abm that is
12:29 DanDuncombe Say, at noon each day, you get given 5 of an item assuming your inventory isn't full
12:29 reactor Eh?!
12:29 andersje joined #minetest
12:29 reactor ShadowBot: asshole.
12:29 andersje apparently, typing 90wpm has some disadvantages.
12:30 DanDuncombe How many comments do you think I can make before I get flood-banned?
12:30 Jordach Evergreen: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107056#p107056
12:30 reactor Pressing LF too often does.
12:30 reactor 5?
12:30 DanDuncombe a
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12:30 DanDuncombe was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
12:30 reactor Aha.
12:30 Jordach notbad.png
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12:30 reactor That's strange.
12:30 Calinou how useful, DanDuncombe
12:30 Evergreen Already saw it Jordach
12:30 andersje now the test is to see how much he has to delay his comments before the bot doesn't catch them.
12:31 Jordach could have said something
12:31 reactor andersje: my point is, people should learn to type instead of wacking the mouse all day long.
12:31 Jordach andersje: give 3-6 seconds
12:31 DanDuncombe That would be harder andersje
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12:31 DanDuncombe was kicked by ShadowBot: Repetition flood detected.
12:31 andersje reactor:  I agree completely.  CLI is where it's at.
12:31 reactor I regret I didn't start learning computers from proper typing.
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12:31 DanDuncombe Waiting 1 second gets you kicked
12:31 reactor :D
12:31 Calinou CLI and GUI are complements
12:32 reactor They're not.
12:32 reactor You don't need GUI to control torrents.
12:32 reactor Not at all.
12:32 Calinou file management via a GUI is faster for most tasks
12:32 andersje no, GUI is great for figuring things out the first time.  But they're hard to automate
12:32 reactor Calinou: try Midnight commander.
12:32 Calinou (tip: use "single click to open files")
12:32 reactor Damn it.
12:32 andersje it could be argued that MC _is_ a GUI.
12:32 reactor GUI file managers can't typically bulk rename.
12:32 kaeza lol mc
12:32 reactor mc is fine
12:33 reactor for it completely relies on keyboard
12:33 Calinou minceraft
12:33 DanDuncombe Can someone make a server with my money mod?
12:33 andersje or are we defining "gui" as "advanced graphics mode which cannot include ASCII graphic characters" ?
12:33 reactor one could use mouse there, thoguh
12:33 reactor Calinou: no, mindnight
12:33 reactor s/nd/d/
12:33 reactor damn it
12:33 andersje DanDuncombe: spin up a micro on amazon ec2 -- it's free for the first year.
12:33 reactor No, andersje.
12:33 kaeza lol minceraft, mindnight
12:33 reactor We're defining GUI by "heavily mouse-reliant mess".
12:33 andersje so gui == uses mouse?  what about touchscreens?
12:33 andersje =)
12:34 reactor Then pointer-reliant.
12:34 kaeza Jordach, typo day!
12:34 reactor Garbage day.
12:34 DanDuncombe Touchscreens use virtual mice
12:34 Calinou touchscreens on a large screen make no sense
12:34 reactor DanDuncombe: that's technical details.
12:34 reactor Touchscreens make no sense.
12:34 reactor Because keyboard.
12:34 DanDuncombe A virtual mouse: http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/4u7s6S16icU/hqdefault.jpg
12:35 * andersje pictures an interactive map at a shopping mall, using a 42" touch screen
12:35 DanDuncombe Not even touchsreen
12:35 DanDuncombe This ^ is what  they need at shopping malls- you don't touch it to use.
12:35 DanDuncombe !title
12:35 MinetestBot DanDuncombe: Document isn't HTML
12:35 DanDuncombe *Sigh*
12:35 Calinou I mean, on a PC
12:35 Calinou on "public" screens they are useful
12:36 DanDuncombe That is on a laptop
12:36 Jordach KINECT!
12:36 andersje =)
12:36 DanDuncombe Lol kinect fails sometime
12:36 * andersje continues to whittle away at arbitrary arguments
12:36 * Jordach and Jordach's mother had a discussion about milk first in tea or not
12:36 DanDuncombe Milk first FTW!
12:36 kaeza andersje, oh but flamewars are fun!
12:37 Jordach i ended up rapping: so you put the milk in first? now all you did was make the cup of tea worse
12:37 DanDuncombe MILK FIRST!
12:37 * kaeza looks at reactor
12:37 * Calinou attempts derailing topic to ponies
12:37 * DanDuncombe really wants the milk to go in first
12:37 reactor Meh.
12:37 reactor Fuck milk first vs tea first.
12:38 * andersje mumbles something about emacs vs vi
12:38 reactor It's the same when the diffusion is over.
12:38 reactor What's the problem?
12:38 kaeza andersje, no u
12:38 kaeza geany :>
12:38 Calinou andersje: emacs vs vi vs nano*
12:38 reactor But tea, if too hot, could break the glass.
12:38 DanDuncombe Unless it's a stone mug :)
12:38 * andersje snickers
12:38 kaeza obligatory: http://xkcd.com/378/
12:39 reactor So I would pour milk first in glasses anyway.
12:39 reactor And in cups, it doesn't make any diff.
12:39 reactor I'm yet to see a cup exploding from boiling water.
12:39 reactor Or even a glass.
12:39 PenguinDad !title
12:39 MinetestBot PenguinDad: xkcd: Real Programmers
12:39 * Jordach programs by setting constants in the universe and the universe codes from that
12:41 kaeza LMAO https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107073#p107073
12:41 * reactor stares at kaeza
12:47 Jordach FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
12:47 DanDuncombe Lol
12:48 john_minetest Real programmers use CD drives.
12:48 reactor Screw CD, it's unreliable.
12:49 reactor Ever heard of DVD-R rot?
12:49 Jordach Real programmers use MSVC
12:49 DanDuncombe Real programmers use programming devices
12:49 john_minetest "programming on msvc"... an other oxymoron...
12:49 reactor yeah.
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12:49 reactor That shit needs to die.
12:49 Jordach like your beloved BSD
12:49 john_minetest I never got this non-standard shit to compile on gcc that someone has written on msvc.
12:49 Jordach oh, and IANA
12:50 reactor I see thee green face.
12:51 thexyz Jordach: iana?
12:51 Jordach something reactor was moaning about (like usual)
12:52 reactor And you're now moaning about moaning.
12:52 reactor That's pathetic.
12:52 thexyz you mean, IANAL which means "I am not a lawyer"?
12:53 reactor iAnal.
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12:53 Jordach reactor: Apple's new vibrating wonder
12:54 reactor I wonder how it looks.
12:54 Jordach white i presume, much like the people who buy it
12:54 Calinou that's probably a smaller version of the new mac pro
12:54 reactor Probably an iPhone in a penis-shaped rubber-covered case.
12:54 reactor Aha!
12:54 reactor That's why!
12:55 * Jordach high fives Calinou
12:55 reactor MacPro is probably for those who has already stretched with iPad.
12:55 Jordach plol!
12:55 Jordach iPoon*
12:55 reactor Or at least iPhone.
12:56 reactor Kirk Johnson will probably be the first purchaser of the new MacPro.
12:58 john_minetest Once saw the mac mini. A small box with the computing power of a normal laptop for 50x the price...
12:58 andersje reactor:  I've shattered glasses with boiling water.
12:58 * Jordach wishes scientists stopped trying to make my iPod smaller and work on jetpacks
12:58 john_minetest And btw: The microsoft surface would be so cool for programming if it had a proper OS. The keyboard is very good for writing.
12:58 Calinou and underclocked hardware :inception face:
12:58 Calinou john_minetest: type cover, yes, touch cover, no
12:59 * Jordach would like a Surface Pro
12:59 reactor Hmm.
12:59 Calinou surface pro, the first tablet that makes noise
12:59 reactor I've got an idea for interesting conversation on #apple.
12:59 Calinou and pretty bad perf/price too
12:59 reactor "I've been masturbating with a MacPro, and now it won't come out."
13:00 reactor andersje: woah
13:03 andersje yeah.  the older the glass, the more likely it is to go.
13:04 Jordach molten lava would freeze liquid tungsten
13:04 kaeza Jordach, beend reading what-if? :>
13:04 kaeza -d
13:04 Jordach -e*
13:04 andersje Jordach: what's the melting point of titanium?
13:05 Jordach not sure
13:05 * andersje googles
13:05 reactor hmm
13:05 reactor got an idea
13:05 Jordach 1,668 °C
13:05 reactor glass breaking after a while when contacting lava, ingame
13:06 andersje damn.
13:07 andersje it should just melt :)
13:07 reactor yep
13:07 nore so glass becoming lava too
13:08 reactor lava source?
13:08 DanDuncombe flowing
13:08 reactor oh
13:08 reactor probably yes
13:09 andersje nore:  yeah.  that's a good suggestion
13:09 * andersje thinks about that.
13:09 andersje should be codable
13:09 DanDuncombe SHouldd be very easy,just one abm surely?
13:09 reactor by the way
13:09 andersje lava-filled glass containers are a separate item, right?
13:09 reactor has java lumber stairs been implemented in Stairs?
13:09 andersje so would it work to put a countdown timer on that?
13:09 reactor damn
13:09 reactor jungle, I mean,
13:09 reactor java
13:10 reactor :(
13:10 andersje Javanese
13:10 reactor andersje: probably
13:10 reactor 5-10s
13:10 reactor idk
13:10 reactor solve heat transfer equation for better precision
13:11 DanDuncombe SO a one in ten chance of becoming flowing lava?
13:11 reactor oh, chance... hmm
13:11 reactor yes, randomness would be good
13:11 reactor one in a ten each ten seconds
13:12 reactor that would melt you 100 m^3 of glass per 100 seconds
13:12 reactor pretty realistic for lava
13:12 reactor no
13:12 reactor wrong
13:12 reactor hmm.
13:12 DanDuncombe U R flooding the chat :)
13:12 Jordach you're
13:13 DanDuncombe Ur
13:13 Jordach you're*
13:13 reactor with 10% chance... that would be, hmm.
13:13 DanDuncombe 1 in 10 chance evry 5 seconds
13:13 reactor yep.
13:13 reactor DanDuncombe: English.
13:14 DanDuncombe wot?
13:14 reactor then... uh, in a 1x1 tunnel filled with glass that would be 5 blocks in 5 seconds average
13:14 reactor wrong, again
13:14 andersje yeah, too fast.
13:14 reactor 5 blocks in 50 seconds*
13:14 andersje you want it to give a sense of confidence...
13:14 andersje make it take ten minutes to melt a block
13:14 reactor no, it's ok
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13:15 * andersje wants to induce some "Oh, SNAP" situations
13:15 reactor yeah, would be cool
13:15 DanDuncombe iy cann specc prefic inglis.
13:15 reactor disappointlents for mad scientists building underlava labs
13:16 reactor obsidian glass would be heat-resistant glass?
13:17 kaeza random question: where are detached inventories stored?
13:17 PenguinDad obsidian itself is glass :P
13:17 reactor It is.
13:17 reactor But I mean ingame.
13:17 reactor And in reality, obsidian is black, can't see through it.
13:17 DanDuncombe You can polisg iy thoug
13:18 DanDuncombe *polish it though
13:18 PenguinDad depends on the obsidian
13:18 reactor Quite.
13:19 reactor Well, no matter hwo hard you polish it, it would become more shiny, not more transparent.
13:19 reactor There might be transparent obsidian, though.
13:19 DanDuncombe You can cut it thin too
13:20 reactor Yes.
13:20 reactor But eh.
13:20 reactor That would give you a rather dim glass.
13:20 reactor andersje: wait a sec... is glass block assumed to be empty inside, or solid glass?
13:20 reactor It looks empty to me.
13:21 sfan5 assumed empty
13:21 sfan5 IIRC
13:21 reactor If so, it would better look breaking instead of turning into lava.
13:21 andersje yeah, you'd need to come up with some sort of transparent material made out of something exotic...mese glass?  we've established that mese doesn't melt in lava...
13:21 sfan5 most IRL glass is hollow
13:21 reactor look better*
13:21 reactor yes, sfan5
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13:21 andersje reactor:  all depends on the rate of heat transfer
13:21 reactor andersje: obsidian glass would do as heat-resistant glass eh
13:21 PenguinDad it must be hollow because you can fill flowing lava in it
13:21 andersje lava is often a poor conductor of heat
13:22 andersje so it could just cause the glass to flow and sag
13:22 andersje err, sag and flow
13:22 reactor hmm
13:22 andersje yeah, obsidian glass + mese chips ?  :)
13:22 reactor well yes
13:22 reactor andersje: obsidian glass is already there
13:22 reactor or can obsidian melt?
13:22 andersje nah, it shouldn't
13:22 reactor I mean, ingame
13:22 andersje I was just thinking of an alternative all-temperature transparent block
13:23 reactor well, why not use obsidian glass for that lava-proof glass?
13:23 andersje but obsidian glass would be perfect
13:23 reactor yep
13:23 andersje and it's already there...
13:23 reactor yep
13:26 * andersje does like the idea of the sound of shattering glass, followed by lava flow..
13:27 reactor Yep.
13:28 reactor I do think it shattering would look more dramatic.
13:28 reactor The magic of "oops".
13:28 reactor It silently drooping and melting would probably be left unnoticed by the user.
13:28 andersje right.
13:29 andersje and would cause more bug reports.
13:29 andersje "LAVA is LEAKING!"
13:29 reactor It would also be better to count the sides of the block exposed to lava.
13:29 reactor That would make holes spread more realistically.
13:29 * andersje nods
13:29 andersje damage = dmgvalue * num_exposed_sides
13:29 reactor Because if one glass breaks, other blocks will be exposed from more sides, leading to more chance of breaking, and so on.
13:30 reactor Yes, yes.
13:30 andersje would it make sense to add a damage type of "melty" ?
13:30 andersje or is there one?
13:30 reactor Probably not; it's safe to use the usual cracking.
13:30 reactor Glass shatter in a similar pattern eh.
13:30 * andersje nods
13:30 * andersje is just overthinking things
13:31 andersje so where would I even start implementing this?
13:31 reactor Meh, who has gotten anywhere without overthinking?
13:31 andersje you know...
13:31 andersje it might make sense to make it so only a lavasource can break glass
13:32 reactor Probably Hitler, but his empire collapsed.
13:32 andersje that way, a person doesn't have to worry about just a container of lava
13:32 andersje no, he overthought stuff ALL THE TIME.
13:32 reactor Hmm.
13:32 reactor container of lava
13:32 andersje the theory on lava-source thing being:  non-source lava doesn't have a renewing source of heat
13:32 reactor Well, that would also prevent the hole-spreading algorithm from working.
13:32 andersje so it doesn't have enough oomph to destroy glass
13:32 reactor That would probably work well.
13:32 reactor Then... hmm.
13:33 andersje yeah, lava sources never spawn lava sources, do they?
13:33 andersje it'd be simpler to implement initially
13:33 reactor The higher the level of the flowing lava in the area, the more damage?
13:33 andersje well, for v1, I think just having a glass block fail would be sufficient.
13:33 andersje since most people won't have the foresight to double-wall
13:33 reactor yep
13:33 andersje and really, if you DID double-wall, there should be some sort of reward in it.
13:34 reactor longer to fail
13:34 reactor but fail eventually
13:34 andersje so I'd need to alter glass, to ensure that it's taking damage from contact with lava, right?
13:34 reactor because who builds lava containers from glass, not obsidian glass
13:34 andersje yeah, v1.1 or v2 will enhance the algorithm.
13:34 reactor mk
13:34 andersje ?
13:34 reactor I don't know, I would go with breaking from any lava in v1
13:35 reactor counting sides; then make it dependent on lava level, as you progress
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13:42 * andersje will think about this.
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13:49 andersje okay, I'm working in github.  I've forked a project, I've made changes, I've committed and pushed my changes to my fork.
13:49 andersje how long until github shows that my fork is ahead of the one I forked from?
13:49 andersje is there something more I needed to do?
13:49 reactor I don't know anything about git eh.
13:50 thexyz andersje: what do you want?
13:50 thexyz to create a pull request?
13:51 andersje yeah...
13:51 andersje i need the guy who runs the master repo to pull my changes in
13:52 andersje but it says that I'm 0 commits ahead and 0 commits behind master
13:52 andersje so wtf?
13:52 PenguinDad master is the branch it isn't a repo
13:53 * andersje rephrases
13:53 thexyz there's that green button "compare & review"
13:53 thexyz select branch with your changes, then press it
13:53 andersje it's like my commit didn't take.
13:53 andersje okay
13:53 andersje yeah, green button was the secret sauce.
13:57 PenguinDad I like the
13:57 PenguinDad ProTipâ„¢
13:57 PenguinDad at github
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13:59 Lolidge Hey hey hey
14:00 Lolidge How are you all?
14:00 Lolidge Mhm, mhm, ok.
14:00 sfan5 hm?
14:00 Lolidge Lol, its me Rhys.
14:00 Lolidge When will I get the Guest Nick?
14:01 Rhys Hello, Im Rhys
14:01 Jordach Rhys: use /nick Jordach_ (it has no nick time expire)
14:01 Jordach mine doesnt have that
14:01 Rhys_ Identify... D:
14:02 Rhys_ D: D: D:
14:02 Guest16146 -.-
14:02 Jordach i can identify and get unaffiliated/jordach/
14:02 Guest16146 Coolio.
14:02 Jordach when then gives me admin access to the bot
14:02 Jordach any other time, nope.
14:03 Guest16146 So, you can now?
14:03 Jordach try /nick Jordach_
14:03 Jordach see, no timeout
14:03 Jordach_ There? :O
14:03 Jordach_ I see.
14:03 Jordach i have the silent identify flag on :P
14:03 Jordach_ So, how do I get a infinite time limit on Rhys?
14:03 Jordach Jordach_: that's the nick owner's choice
14:04 Jordach_ Ah.
14:04 Jordach try /nick rhy5
14:04 Jordach_ I want Rhys. xD.
14:04 rhy5 Wha?
14:04 Jordach no timeout?
14:04 rhy5 Nope
14:04 rhy5 Can I change to Rhys?
14:04 Jordach if a nick is owned, you cant take it
14:04 rhy5 Ah.
14:04 rhy5 Ill do this then.
14:04 Jordach Rhy5 would be better
14:05 Jordach (capital ftw)
14:05 Rhy5 You read my mind...
14:05 Rhy5 Thanks dude.
14:05 Jordach the lowercase nick also gets registered btw
14:05 Rhy5 So, anyways... About minetest.conf.
14:05 Rhy5 The notepad thing you told hasent worked out.
14:05 Jordach (btw, drop by #freenode and register the nick)
14:06 Rhy5 #freenode
14:06 Jordach a staff member with a +<nick> will help
14:06 Rhy5 Lol.
14:06 Rhy5 Alright.
14:06 Jordach just /join #freenode
14:06 PenguinDad /join #freenode
14:06 Jordach you will be moved to #freenode-unreg, but staffers are there too
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14:15 Rhy5 Alright, so Ive registered, awesome
14:16 Rhy5 So, about me not having minetest.conf, how do I get it back?
14:16 PenguinDad I would call this good work: https://github.com/FredrikNoren/ungit
14:16 Rhy5 Hmf.
14:17 Rhy5 So: ^^^?
14:17 Rhy5 :3
14:18 Rhy5 How do I get minetest.conf back?
14:19 PenguinDad maybe throw a wet chicken at your computer?
14:22 john_minetest download it from the github site
14:23 john_minetest http://github.com/minetest/minetest
14:23 john_minetest take minetest.conf.example and change it how you like it.
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14:32 Jordach dafuq
14:32 Jordach why do people insist on editing MINETEST.CONF.EXAMPLE
14:32 Jordach EXAMPLE CONF != minetest.conf
14:33 Jordach jesus CHRIST.
14:33 Jordach </RAGE>
14:33 PilzAdam Jordach, because shitdows doesnt display the .example
14:33 PilzAdam so they have a file called "minetest" and one called "minetest.conf"
14:33 Jordach not for me
14:33 PilzAdam do you use XP?
14:33 Jordach PilzAdam: 7
14:33 john_minetest I meant he should build his own minetest.conf out of minetest.conf.example because he hasn't got a minetest.conf.
14:34 john_minetest PilzAdam: It doesn't display by default but it can be changed. Also it only hides known extensions.
14:34 Jordach PilzAdam: suggestion, convert minetest.conf.example to conf_file_settings.txt
14:35 Jordach only THEN people will realise they've been doing it wrong.
14:35 Jordach think about that: how much time do we say to edit the file minetest and refer to conf_file_settings
14:36 john_minetest or "example.of.minetest.conf"
14:36 Jordach s/say/save
14:36 nore only drawback I see is that it will break a ton of pull requests
14:36 Jordach and it would help people like rhy5 out considerably
14:37 PilzAdam Jordach, its not our fault if people cant use their file manager
14:37 Jordach nore: not really: create a file with the same contents
14:37 Jordach not modify
14:37 Jordach (so keep the old example until all the old pulls are no longer needed; not to mention pulling from master should delete the old one and add the new one)
14:37 nore git will be smart enough to detect it is the same file?
14:38 nore that has only be renamed?
14:38 nore +en
14:38 Jordach idk
14:39 Jordach PilzAdam: i prefer to call users who can't install mods technically hopeless
14:40 PenguinDad my friend is technically hopeless \o/
14:42 kaeza nore AFAIK, yes
14:42 kaeza git detects renaming of files
14:43 nore ok
14:43 PilzAdam is this availible for RL? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7008
14:45 PenguinDad would be cool for RL 8)
14:47 Jordach that should be in minetest's builtin
14:48 Jordach allow_guests = true / false
14:54 * Jordach is working on fauna props for blender
14:55 Jordach fun fact: there is > 500% vitamin b12 in my system :P
14:56 PenguinDad O_O
14:56 Jordach my damn energy drink
14:56 Jordach > 100g of sugar
14:56 Jordach (greater than)
14:58 Jordach PenguinDad: > 500% gda even.
14:58 andersje jesus.
14:59 andersje doesn't that hurt your pancreas?
14:59 Jordach nope.
14:59 andersje sugar will kill you dead.
14:59 Jordach andersje: i dont get hungry
14:59 Jordach if i eat at 7am, i get hungry 12 hours later
15:00 PilzAdam and if you eat 8am?
15:00 PenguinDad my friend will die early
15:00 Jordach i eat in 12 hour slots
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15:01 Jordach PenguinDad: my father was clinically dead: he ahd 13% oxygen in his blood a few years back
15:01 Jordach had*
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15:01 VanessaE oops
15:01 Jordach lol
15:01 VanessaE that ctrl-w was for another window damn it
15:01 VanessaE well so much for reading the scrollback.  hi all
15:02 reactor ?
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15:02 andersje fwiw, I used to be able to eat anything -- any quantity, any food, didn't matter:  low cholesterol, low blood pressure, lean, fit.
15:02 andersje then 4 years ago, i developed type 1 diabetes
15:02 andersje ugh.
15:02 rubenwardy Hi all
15:02 Jordach andersje: i space my meals out over 6-12 hours
15:03 reactor sfan5: by the way, how's the patch?
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15:04 reactor rsiska: where's lsiska?
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15:21 sfan5 reactor: you mean the x direction patch?
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15:29 reactor sfan5: the Z direction patch.
15:29 reactor X was fine.
15:34 * Evergreen is back
15:35 Calinou wayland is better.
15:35 Calinou mir is even better.
15:36 PenguinDad good joke Calinou :D
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15:47 kaeza hrm... I don't understand this find_path() thing
15:49 rubenwardy cmake?
15:49 kaeza anyone knowledgeable enough can tell me if I'm doing something wrong? http://pastebin.com/E3ZTwhw4
15:49 kaeza no, MT
15:49 rubenwardy ok
15:49 rubenwardy Is that new?
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15:49 kaeza it gives me tons of "ERROR[ServerThread]: invalid startposIndex: (15,16,15)Realpos: (-64,3,-152)"
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15:51 kaeza find_path() is been in there for some time
15:51 NekoGloop "NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released" orly
15:51 NekoGloop 'cause that's not news to anyone
15:52 VanessaE might be ro redcrab ;)
15:52 VanessaE to*
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15:53 kaeza NekoGloop, wat
15:53 kaeza afternoon V
15:53 VanessaE hey
15:55 Calinou hi
15:57 PenguinDad Use google translator: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107082#p107082
16:01 andersje VanessaE: do you need me to file a pull request on github with those stained glass changes?
16:01 VanessaE naw, I can just pull the changes I think
16:01 VanessaE you ready for it?
16:02 NekoGloop Oh, right, I was working on scaffolding for gloopblocks.
16:02 NekoGloop (You can rightclick the bottom scaffolding with scaffolding to extend it upwards)
16:03 VanessaE you should squash all those changes into one commit
16:03 andersje okay, I'll figure that out.
16:03 sfan5 reactor: you didn't give me an z direction path
16:03 sfan5 *patch
16:03 andersje I tested on my worlds with stained glass in them, and all the old ones were fine
16:03 VanessaE git rebase -i HEAD~9
16:03 andersje thx
16:03 VanessaE change all but the first 'pick' to 's'
16:03 VanessaE save
16:04 VanessaE make a new commit message in the next editor
16:04 VanessaE save
16:04 VanessaE git push -f
16:04 VanessaE at least, that's how I do it.  others recommend 'f' instead of 's' but I don't know what the difference is in practice :)
16:05 sfan5 VanessaE: f (aka fixup) discards the commit messages, s (aka squash) puts all commit messages in the resulting commit
16:05 VanessaE ahh
16:06 VanessaE in that case I'll continue to 'squash'.  I usually have some use for the to-be-discarded msgs
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16:10 VanessaE andersje: also, your changes to UD aren't needed.  those aliases are already defined ( https://github.com/VanessaE/unifieddyes/blob/master/init.lua#L351 ).
16:11 andersje yep, ditch 'em entirely
16:11 andersje I'd dump my fork of your code if I knew how
16:11 VanessaE cd unifieddyes; git reset --hard 9ea646950698a78529ced222dd91e26a22178d44; git push -f
16:12 VanessaE that'll reset yours back to where mine is.  keep it around for later.
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16:13 VanessaE ok, my fork of stained glass is updated to match yours.
16:14 andersje found how to delete the fork of your unifieddyes repo :)
16:14 andersje I'll fork it again if i ever need to make changes
16:15 VanessaE ok
16:16 andersje Evergreen: thx for the link to your trashcan mod
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16:28 andersje I'm playing with the bags mod, the one cornernote made...and I don't like the sticks being used in the medium and big bags...I'm thinking of replacing them with steel ingots, to represent a rigid framework.
16:30 VanessaE I don't even use bags, other than it being part of Unified Inventory in technic
16:30 VanessaE (which, btw, can be installed as a separate, standalone mod)
16:30 * andersje nods
16:30 andersje ah, if it's just me, then, I'll tinker away
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17:22 PenguinDad woof Dogzilla131
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17:24 Dogzilla131 Hi :)
17:25 LazyJ Howdy :)
17:27 VanessaE hey LazyJ
17:28 LazyJ Hullo!
17:28 Evergreen Anyone like my answer to how to register ores?    https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107107#p107107
17:29 Evergreen I should file that somewhere, so the next times someone asks, I'll have it
17:29 LazyJ One more night, and then it's the weekend! I party by turning off the alarm clock and phone. Yup, I'm a wild one. :)-
17:29 Evergreen *time
17:29 Jordach SWEET RAVE PARTY!
17:30 * Jordach grabs the booze
17:31 Calinou booze is abd
17:31 Calinou bad*
17:31 Jordach Calinou: by that logic, everything is bad
17:31 PenguinDad is there something like uglifier for LUA?
17:31 andersje everything is bad.  just ask the WCTU
17:33 VanessaE LazyJ: wow, that's some party!
17:33 VanessaE I bet you even break out the milk and corn flakes! :D
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17:34 LazyJ Aye, it's the party life of old-fartdom.
17:34 VanessaE Calinou: still waiting for you to provide that suggested new grass image (only need the 512px size) :P
17:34 PenguinDad !dev PseudoRandom
17:34 MinetestBot "A pseudorandom number generator." - http://dev.minetest.net/PseudoRandom
17:35 Jordach sudorandom
17:36 * Jordach is making replicas of minetest fauna in blender
17:37 VanessaE bash: sudorandom: command not found
17:37 VanessaE :P
17:38 Jordach fuck minetest, i'll play it in blender :P
17:42 VanessaE bbl
17:43 PenguinDad nobody has answered my question :(
17:43 Calinou uglifier?
17:43 Calinou also it's Lua not LUA
17:44 PenguinDad sorry
17:44 PenguinDad i mean something like this https://github.com/mishoo/UglifyJS2 for Lua
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17:51 reactor sfan5: I did give it.
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17:59 Jordach now leaf me alone, will ya? http://i.imgur.com/ZjkNykf.png
18:00 sfan5 Jordach: I got Debian squeeze on my Wii now, I'll see if I can get Minetest running on it
18:00 kaeza PenguinDad, obfuscator?
18:00 Jordach sfan5: what tech DONT YOU have
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18:01 sfan5 Jordach: I don't have a Playstation and I don't have an XBox
18:01 sfan5 nice render BTW
18:01 Jordach sfan5: the blender worlds are coming
18:02 Jordach (building in blender is faster than with worldedit)
18:04 Jordach i had bacon bagels today
18:04 Jordach and i said bacon sandwiches
18:05 Jordach sfan5: minetestserver builds on the wii
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18:05 Jordach Zeg9 did so
18:05 Jordach also: pics or it didnt happen :P
18:06 sfan5 eh
18:06 * jin_xi is watching nethack speedrun
18:07 reactor ?
18:08 Calinou speedhack netrun
18:08 Jordach speedhack speedrun
18:08 jin_xi its a turnbased game, usually a quick ascension (win) is around 20k turns, this guy aims for the low 2000s
18:08 reactor nethack netrun
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18:13 reactor Rather, netbsd speedbsd.
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18:16 DanDuncombe Does anyone have any positive suggestions for my currency mod?
18:18 DanDuncombe Hellooooooo?
18:18 reactor That's you. That's how DUMB you sound.
18:18 DanDuncombe Mmhm
18:18 sfan5 just wait for someone to reply
18:18 reactor I mean, it's passive-aggressive time.
18:18 DanDuncombe Mmhm
18:18 reactor Nothing personal.
18:18 DanDuncombe Mmhm
18:18 reactor mmm hhh mmm
18:18 DanDuncombe was kicked by ShadowBot: Repetition flood detected.
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18:19 DanDuncombe Mmhm
18:19 DanDuncombe was kicked by ShadowBot: Repetition flood detected.
18:19 reactor Woah.
18:19 DanDuncombe joined #minetest
18:19 DanDuncombe Mmhm
18:19 DanDuncombe was kicked by ShadowBot: Repetition flood detected.
18:19 reactor DanDumbcode
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18:19 Jordach mhm
18:19 reactor Uses computers. Gets pwned by computers.
18:20 reactor I rest my case.
18:20 DanDuncombe Mmhm
18:20 reactor Is this the only word you know?
18:20 DanDuncombe Mmhm
18:21 reactor Oh. I see. You were abused back in childhood?
18:21 DanDuncombe Mmhm
18:21 DanDuncombe was kicked by ShadowBot: Repetition flood detected.
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18:21 reactor Tell me more about it.
18:21 DanDuncombe I'm havin' a barbeque tonight
18:21 reactor Oh, nice.
18:22 reactor So, you used to play with your poo back in childhood?
18:22 DanDuncombe It is grey, overcast and dusty right now.
18:22 DanDuncombe The sky I mean
18:22 sfan5 eh
18:22 DanDuncombe Do ya have any currency mod suggestions?
18:23 DanDuncombe *you
18:23 sfan5 no
18:23 DanDuncombe OK
18:23 reactor I do. Call the currency reichmarks.
18:23 DanDuncombe No
18:24 DanDuncombe They are called Minegelds and that is fact
18:24 john_minetest I love BBQ.
18:24 reactor Add toilet paper blocks.
18:25 DanDuncombe A diamond block is around 450Mg
18:25 DanDuncombe *Minegelds,not Milligrams
18:25 reactor M = Mega
18:25 DanDuncombe I love BBQ too
18:25 reactor megagrams, pff
18:25 DanDuncombe MegaGrans?
18:25 DanDuncombe *Megagrams
18:25 reactor That's tons.
18:26 reactor I doubt a diamond block would really be 450 T in mass.
18:26 DanDuncombe 450 of money
18:26 reactor Maybe some overcompressed matter from neutron stars' core would.
18:27 reactor But not diamond.
18:27 reactor Of monkey?
18:27 reactor You're compressing 450 monkeys into the volume of 1x1x1 m block?
18:27 DanDuncombe Super Gran http://www.sabotagetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/Super-Gran.png
18:27 reactor Call the police, we've got animal abuse.!
18:28 sfan5 !c 24+64
18:28 MinetestBot 88
18:28 DanDuncombe Mega-Gran=Super-Gran
18:29 reactor gram*
18:29 kaeza tram*
18:29 DanDuncombe *bam
18:29 PenguinDad *slam
18:29 DanDuncombe It would be call if the IRC could directly display pictures
18:29 reactor islam
18:29 kaeza iSlam*
18:30 reactor Ha.
18:30 kaeza the new Apple religion
18:30 reactor The new hate stick from Apple.
18:30 reactor It's vibrating!(tm)
18:32 reactor As mentioned earlier, there's another new toy from Apple.
18:32 john_minetest iSlam sounds like a computer game similar to streetfighter.
18:32 reactor iAnal, the somewhat downscaled version of MacPro.
18:32 DanDuncombe What is this guy confused about? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107129#p107129
18:32 reactor His sexual orientation, probably.
18:33 DanDuncombe Mebbe he's bi
18:33 reactor Because a safe would store data somewhere, too.
18:34 DanDuncombe !seen Gizmokid2005
18:34 MinetestBot DanDuncombe: Sorry, I haven't seen gizmokid2005 around.
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18:34 reactor Maybe, or maybe now, but he's definitely dumb.
18:34 reactor s/now/not/
18:34 DanDuncombe reactor: They would need to work out exactly which chest they want to edit.
18:34 reactor Probably.
18:34 reactor But eh.
18:34 DanDuncombe It is safer
18:35 Evergreen Yeah, it is physical currency, not some data in a text file somewhere
18:35 Evergreen If you put it in a locked chest, it is safe for life
18:35 reactor yep
18:35 DanDuncombe And they probably wouldn't bother trawling through a 2gb map.sqlite to find the safe
18:35 reactor so what's that guy's point?
18:35 DanDuncombe The safe functions as a locked chest.
18:36 reactor hmm
18:36 reactor sqlite
18:36 reactor they're binary files?
18:36 DanDuncombe No idea
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18:36 Evergreen No, there are editors for .sqlite files
18:36 DanDuncombe I tried opening one with Np++ and I got a load of nul files
18:36 reactor If they're ACSII, which is unlikely, grep and some time.
18:36 DanDuncombe *nul symbols
18:37 DanDuncombe So the admin would have to download a special sqlite editor then find the correct node and edit it. I doubt they would bother.
18:37 reactor So, not ASCII.
18:37 Gizmokid2005 DanDuncombe: ?
18:38 DanDuncombe Gizmokid2005, I was testing MinetestBot's seen function.
18:38 reactor meh download
18:38 Gizmokid2005 ahh.
18:38 DanDuncombe I just picked a random name.
18:38 DanDuncombe Apparently you don't exist according to MinetestBot's seen function.
18:39 Gizmokid2005 !seen Gizmokid2005
18:39 MinetestBot Gizmokid2005: gizmokid2005 was last seen at 2013-08-23 18:35:58 UTC on #minetest
18:39 Gizmokid2005 it's because I hadn't said anything since it joined.
18:39 DanDuncombe It didn't work earlier, before you started talking
18:39 PenguinDad !seen PenguinDad
18:39 MinetestBot PenguinDad: penguindad was last seen at 2013-08-23 18:27:20 UTC on #minetest
18:39 Gizmokid2005 it's because I didn't have any chat in the channel
18:39 Gizmokid2005 for MinetestBot to know that I was actually here.
18:39 DanDuncombe Probably
18:39 Gizmokid2005 most of those bots don't go off of a /whois list, just a privmsg history.
18:40 DanDuncombe Yeah
18:40 Gizmokid2005 just had to make sure you didn't actually need me for anything :)
18:40 DanDuncombe Nope
18:40 DanDuncombe Sorry for disturbing you
18:40 Gizmokid2005 cool beaners. No worries fine sir :) Back to your regularly scheduled programming
18:41 DanDuncombe Yep
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18:45 kaeza [15:35:40] <DanDuncombe> And they probably wouldn't bother trawling through a 2gb map.sqlite to find the safe
18:45 kaeza suddenly: admin pickaxe :>
18:45 kaeza err... wrong quote
18:45 PenguinDad or WorldEdit :>
18:46 kaeza but anyway, you cannot hide anything from admins
18:46 reactor when will worldedit implement setting stairs rotation data via commands?
18:46 reactor and slab position data?
18:46 Calinou when BSD gets systemd
18:47 reactor fuck systemd
18:47 reactor it's gay
18:47 kaeza and fake
18:47 reactor rc kicks its sorry ass on daily basis
18:47 Calinou kaeza: no that's bumpmapping
18:48 reactor dump mapping
18:51 thexyz 22:46  <     reactor> | it's gay
18:51 thexyz that's what i call an argument
18:53 reactor mount: invalid argument
18:56 thexyz so do you have anything constructive to say?
18:57 thexyz about why systemd sucks
18:59 reactor Well, why reinvent the bicycle if the old rusty one is doing its job just fine?
18:59 john_minetest http://archlinux.me/brain0/2012/09/10/yet-another-systemd-comment/
18:59 Calinou it's slower, less efficient
18:59 Calinou that's like saying "why reinvent X" or "why reinvent BIOS"
18:59 reactor Seriously, why reinvent X?
19:00 john_minetest X is old :D
19:00 reactor BIOS does need replacement, however.
19:00 reactor Because the whole x86 arch needs replacement.
19:00 john_minetest BIOS is doing fine for me.
19:00 Calinou X is insanely inefficient
19:00 Calinou compare it to the way windows does display server
19:00 john_minetest I never had any problem with BIOS.
19:00 Calinou wayland and mir will finally bring it to the windows level
19:00 Calinou eg. not blocking alt+tab on most games
19:00 john_minetest But UEFI seems to be crap.
19:00 Calinou it isn't
19:00 Calinou secure boot is
19:00 Calinou blame MS
19:00 thexyz what's the problem with UEFI?
19:00 reactor By the way. Wayland.
19:00 Calinou (and castrated mobos; actual mobos don't have secure boot)
19:00 reactor Hmm.
19:01 reactor I heard it's actually good.
19:01 john_minetest I read an article about linux and secure boot a few weeks ago.
19:01 Calinou just disable it :P
19:01 john_minetest I have BIOS on all my computers.
19:01 reactor A rework of X?
19:01 Calinou X by itself is inefficient
19:01 Calinou noone had a GPU when it was created
19:02 john_minetest X was written before linux got sockets...
19:02 reactor Now, UNIX folks don't have a GPU, either. Because all drivers are closed :(.
19:02 john_minetest So the 0.5 to 1.0 versions
19:02 john_minetest GNUnix :D
19:03 john_minetest Okay, it is even the right word...
19:03 john_minetest GNU's Not Unix
19:03 reactor GNU will never be.
19:03 reactor It's a clone. A parody.
19:03 Calinou ^
19:04 john_minetest GNU Hurd is finally semi-finished
19:04 john_minetest Still not usable but it is there...
19:04 reactor Often clones are better than the original product. That's not the case with GNU, however.
19:04 Calinou they never are
19:04 Calinou but often are "good enough"
19:04 reactor I haven't tried Hurd, but GNU userland is crap.
19:04 Calinou HURD IS TURD
19:04 Calinou --BO$$
19:05 reactor And Linux kernel is quite a whale, too.
19:05 john_minetest A lot of gnu stuff is nice. gcc and all those tools.
19:05 thexyz reactor: and what's good then?
19:05 Calinou gcc is 2× slower than MSVC to compile ogre
19:05 reactor They're rather an exception than a rule.
19:05 reactor thexyz: BSD userland.
19:06 reactor But MSVC stuff is unportable.
19:06 john_minetest Calinou: But at least it has the standard implemented and not some "extend-and-embrace" microsoft shit.
19:06 Calinou yes
19:06 Calinou still is way slower
19:06 Calinou thus, you need a 2× faster CPU for same compile time
19:06 reactor Yes.
19:06 thexyz reactor: do you use it?
19:06 Calinou so, FOSS turns out to be as expensive 8)
19:07 reactor thexyz: Eh?
19:07 thexyz reactor: *bsd
19:07 reactor thexyz: why not.
19:07 Calinou john_minetest: fun fact: steve ballmer left MS
19:07 reactor I do.
19:07 thexyz hm
19:07 thexyz do you dualboot windows?
19:07 reactor No.
19:07 reactor Never happening.
19:07 thexyz hm, odd
19:07 reactor I've been there.
19:08 thexyz what *bsd are you using by the way?
19:08 reactor It's over.
19:08 reactor NetBSD. Why?
19:08 thexyz just curiosity
19:08 thexyz in what ways is its userland better than GNU?
19:09 reactor Oh. I'm curious, too. About your early childhood. So, you used to be into peeping back in your childhood.
19:09 reactor That's embarassing.
19:09 john_minetest reactor = psychologist?
19:09 thexyz yeah it is
19:09 reactor john_minetest: no.
19:09 john_minetest "It's an unsolved childhood drama. 500€ please."
19:09 reactor But have you got something to tell me?
19:10 thexyz I'm not sure if that was an insult though
19:10 kaeza Calinou, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107134#p107134
19:11 thexyz reactor: please, answer the question
19:11 Calinou kaeza: :|
19:13 DanDuncombe Help?https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=107136#p107136
19:14 reactor I'm back. thexyz: the quality of source code.
19:14 reactor The portabilty.
19:14 reactor And ease of maintenance.
19:14 reactor The latter two come out of the former one.
19:15 thexyz oh
19:15 reactor less bugs
19:15 DanDuncombe Which is correct? stack_max = 100000,  or stack_max = "100000",
19:15 reactor better documentation, as consequence
19:15 thexyz that doesn't look like a sort of problem typical user will encounter
19:15 reactor ^
19:15 DanDuncombe If I want a craftitem to be 'super-stackable'
19:15 thexyz I'm not sure about "less bugs" and "better documentation" though
19:15 reactor Documentation is a problem for GNU.
19:16 Calinou DanDuncombe: the first one
19:16 Calinou also, you can't stack above 65535
19:16 DanDuncombe Okay, thanks
19:16 Calinou so just put 65535
19:16 reactor End users don't know what they want.
19:16 Calinou they want AAA games of course
19:16 reactor So they're out of the equation.
19:16 reactor Mostly.
19:17 reactor I'm not talking about really experienced users, though.
19:17 reactor These do.
19:17 DanDuncombe Calinou, I have added it, but how do I actually get it to stack above 99?
19:17 reactor But they are also able to contribute something.
19:20 Calinou DanDuncombe: not sure if that's possible, apart from using /give :/
19:20 DanDuncombe Oh. sfan5, with stack_max, can you actually, without /giveme, stack above 99?
19:20 DanDuncombe Or PilzAdam
19:21 sfan5 DanDuncombe: yes
19:21 DanDuncombe sfan5, how?
19:21 sfan5 but fucking stop highlighting random people
19:21 PilzAdam DanDuncombe, can you explain to me why ShadowBot kicks you so often?
19:21 sfan5 /giveme <item> <any value>
19:21 DanDuncombe Without /giveme
19:21 Calinou PilzAdam: implement ~roulette in ShadowBot for more kicks
19:22 Calinou and ~judge
19:22 DanDuncombe This is the code for the craftitem I am trying to 'super-stack' http://pastebin.com/AkfBKfV4
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19:23 jin_xi you could make another craftitem, a stack of gelds, or bills or such. then users can put 99 of those in therir inv, but surely you could have it display the number of coins, not stacks/notes whatever
19:24 DanDuncombe I suppose. So you can make a 'pile of minegelds' and with them make 'big pile of minegelds'
19:24 sfan5 Calinou: what does ~judge do?
19:25 Calinou join #redeclipse and see :P
19:25 sfan5 nah
19:26 DanDuncombe Is it possible to make an item legitimately stack above 99 then?
19:27 DanDuncombe Without resorting to 'bunches of Minegelds'
19:27 DanDuncombe Also, in a craft,is it possible to make an item be used in the craft, but not be 'used up', so you get it back after crafting?
19:28 jin_xi rtfm
19:28 Calinou saying rtfm isn't nice
19:28 Calinou don't say anything if you don't know
19:29 DanDuncombe Okay, what is the ACTUAL max number in a stack? 65535 is too high it seems
19:29 Jordach DanDuncombe: item_stack
19:29 Calinou try 1000
19:29 DanDuncombe 1000 does work
19:29 reactor Saying to RTFM _is_ nice.
19:29 Jordach nah, 5000 is enough
19:29 Jordach or at least 9001
19:29 DanDuncombe Okay
19:29 reactor (I assume when quality documentation is present)
19:29 reactor (Which is not the case with GNU)
19:29 DanDuncombe 10000 works..
19:30 thexyz reactor: saying rtfm doesn't contribute anything to the discussion
19:31 reactor It does. It gives you psychological profits.
19:31 Calinou if you want to help, search for them.
19:31 reactor Beside, it's nice to remind people to use their eyes and grep sometimes.
19:32 jin_xi well, i said it because the last q about replacements in recipes is soo basic and i said it to someone who spams questions. idk whats it come to when calinou tells me what is nice and what not
19:32 Calinou mir is nice, wayland is not
19:32 jin_xi but yeah should had spelled it out
19:32 reactor IRC and mailing lists are for the case you've already read the manual.
19:32 thexyz I think you either should help or keep silent, and "rtfm" doesn't help
19:32 jin_xi go0 read the fucking manual, imbecile
19:32 reactor So are support lines.
19:32 DanDuncombe Okay, in the next currency mod release, you can only have 30,000 Minegelds in a stack.
19:32 DanDuncombe That is a couple of thousand off the max I think
19:32 reactor "I'm all right, Jack, keep your hands off my stack!"
19:33 DanDuncombe :)
19:33 reactor 32768
19:33 john_minetest mir is a
19:33 john_minetest canonical thing.
19:33 reactor Hope they don't screw it up like Ubutu.
19:33 reactor Ubuntu*
19:34 reactor The last Ubuntu I could think of as a nice OS was 9.
19:34 reactor It's all downhill since.
19:34 DanDuncombe Any other suggestions for Currency 0.3?
19:34 reactor Yes. Reichmarks.
19:34 DanDuncombe So far: Big stacks, errrrrm. That's it.
19:34 reactor I'm kidding.
19:35 reactor Stacks of stacks, probably?
19:35 reactor And then stacks of stacks of stacks? 3000^3?
19:36 DanDuncombe 30,000 stacks, of stacks, of stacks, of stacks?
19:36 john_minetest Or use money as some kind of additional healthbar.
19:36 reactor Yes.
19:36 reactor Ha.
19:36 reactor Well, money do often cure illness in our world.
19:36 john_minetest So you have an amount shown in the HUD.
19:36 john_minetest And you don't have to play around with stupid items.
19:37 Calinou ^
19:37 Calinou money is way better if it's off-hand
19:37 DanDuncombe 810000000000000000 Minegelds in my stack of stack of stack of stack
19:37 john_minetest Call it "Reichsmark" or "Groschen".
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19:37 DanDuncombe No. Minegelds
19:38 reactor Minekrauts
19:38 john_minetest Doesn't sound german enough.
19:38 reactor Mein Gelds.
19:38 john_minetest "Minen-reichsmark"
19:38 reactor :D
19:38 john_minetest "Nein Gelds"
19:38 Calinou BSDmarks
19:38 PenguinDad never place sand at the bottom of the world because this happens: suspiciously large amount of objects detected: 1666 in (0,-1933,0); removing all of them.
19:38 Calinou mein gelds
19:38 reactor Minenmarks
19:38 * Calinou runs
19:38 DanDuncombe I have decided it will be called Minegelds, actually
19:38 john_minetest LSDmarks
19:38 reactor psychedelic!
19:39 * reactor stares at Calinou running
19:39 DanDuncombe psychedelicamarkamajigwatsitmahoozits
19:39 john_minetest It is simply paper. The more value the more LSD on it :D
19:39 PenguinDad "Meine Kohle"
19:39 john_minetest Lol, germans invade #minetest
19:39 john_minetest And I'm one of them-.
19:39 * Calinou is french
19:40 reactor Minenmarks would do.
19:40 * PenguinDad is german
19:40 reactor Minenmarken*
19:40 * DanDuncombe is... is... is... errm, does anyone know what nationality I am?
19:40 reactor Well. I could guess.
19:40 Calinou UK
19:40 reactor Since you're making a currency,
19:41 reactor youknowwhatImean.jpg
19:41 john_minetest Hey, the central bank is in germany.
19:42 john_minetest Will wayland and mir run on old hardware not supporting GL?
19:42 PenguinDad why Lua why no LOLCODE? :P
19:45 john_minetest "Arsch Linux - Wichtig ist, was hinten bei rauskommt" <- lol
19:45 jin_xi woah, speed run took 2130 turns!
19:45 DanDuncombe Okay, so currency 0.3 will have: max 30,000 Mg in a stack, inventory image for barter table, basic income 1Mg per day
19:46 Calinou john_minetest: they won't
19:46 DanDuncombe And only if you dig at least one node in that day
19:46 Calinou afaik, they use EGL
19:46 Calinou so they require it
19:46 PenguinDad john_minetest: where did you read that?
19:46 john_minetest PenguinDad: http://arschlinux.de/
19:46 Calinou harshlinux
19:47 PenguinDad xD
19:47 reactor Arsch Linux
19:47 reactor As in, ass
19:47 reactor There's also
19:47 reactor that
19:47 reactor Crunchbang
19:47 reactor Church bang.
19:47 john_minetest Calinou: That's crap. X runs perfectly on old hardware. And I like old hardware.
19:47 reactor Or crutch bang.
19:47 reactor was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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19:47 john_minetest lol
19:47 reactor Oh nice.
19:48 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/q9oB0G6.png testing
19:48 reactor ShadowBot: what are you looking at, you wanker?
19:48 Jordach reactor: watch it
19:48 * reactor dusts their labcoat.
19:48 reactor Jordach: I am watching it, pretty impressive.
19:48 DanDuncombe Anymore feature ideas for 0.3 Currency?
19:49 reactor Oh, that. Pardon.
19:50 PenguinDad Jordach: good
19:50 john_minetest Jordach: what is it?
19:50 reactor DanDuncombe: denomination
19:50 reactor Or how is it called?
19:50 Jordach default:fence_wood
19:50 reactor inflation*
19:50 DanDuncombe reactor What is this 'denomination'?
19:50 reactor inflation, that
19:51 reactor My bad EnGlitch.
19:51 DanDuncombe Ah, inflation. That is up to the players and the prices they set :)
19:51 PenguinDad Jordach: the fence looks better than ingame
19:51 Jordach PenguinDad: what parts
19:52 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/VE5oMBQ.png.
19:52 reactor Minetest does need stone fence.
19:52 Calinou very easy to add
19:52 Calinou now, try getting it in upstream :P
19:52 reactor I guess... wood model, stone texture.
19:52 PenguinDad reactor: install my mod :P
19:52 reactor I don't know eh.
19:53 reactor PenguinDad: I will look into it tomorrow... it's pretty late here eh
19:53 reactor PenguinDad: how's it called?
19:53 PenguinDad morefences
19:53 Calinou fencelike drawtype
19:53 reactor PenguinDad: mk
19:53 reactor What is drootoop?
19:54 reactor A medicine?
19:54 PenguinDad reactor: here's the link https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6649
19:55 Jordach PenguinDad: shaded fence: http://i.imgur.com/jnYdhfh.png
19:57 reactor Coloured fences, nice!
19:57 * PenguinDad gives Jordach a virtual cookie for the good work
19:58 Jordach Jordach:hate_public_appreciation(true, 74)
19:59 * DanDuncombe takes Jordach's publicly appreciated cookie and eats it
19:59 Jordach fine by me
20:00 DanDuncombe Yay
20:00 DanDuncombe Nom Nom Nom...
20:00 reactor Cookies in the evening. There's no better way to get fat.
20:00 DanDuncombe I will go for a bit.
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20:24 LazyJ Calinou, does bumpmapping work with your conversion of Misa texture pack?
20:24 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/2myV9Bu.png
20:24 Calinou there is no bumpmapping in misa
20:24 Calinou so I never generated bumpmaps
20:24 Calinou on top of that it increases pack size
20:25 LazyJ Ah, so bumpmapping is something that has to be added to the graphics, it's not something that is applied later.
20:27 LazyJ Ok, thanks. I'll disable bumpmapping in minetest.conf if it isn't doing anything.
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20:29 Ilikeminecraft Sup?
20:30 PenguinDad soup?
20:30 Ilikeminecraft Carrot soup
20:30 sfan5 !op
20:30 Ilikeminecraft So...
20:30 Jordach wb LM
20:31 Ilikeminecraft LandMine?
20:31 Ilikeminecraft colse enough
20:31 Ilikeminecraft *close
20:31 reactor Landmines would be cool.
20:31 sfan5 Jordach: iplist.txt can almost confirm you
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20:31 reactor So would tripwires, boobytraps and other things.
20:32 PenguinDad there's a mod for landmines
20:32 Ilikeminecraft Indeed
20:32 Ilikeminecraft So, what's so great about this ripoff?
20:32 reactor it's not a ripoff
20:33 reactor Minecraft wasn't even the first game of the genre.
20:33 Ilikeminecraft Open-source ripoff
20:33 VanessaE minetest is based on MC and is no more a ripoff than MC is, which is based on Infiniminer.
20:33 thexyz it's inspired by, not based
20:33 Ilikeminecraft Open source rip-off of a rip-off?
20:33 PenguinDad Infinimer is C# ugh...
20:33 VanessaE well, inspired yeah.
20:33 reactor Green, fat face detected: Ilikeminecraft.
20:33 reactor I see thou.
20:33 VanessaE Ilikeminecraft: if minetest is, then Minecraft is also.  sorry to disappoint.
20:33 Ilikeminecraft Now that I have roused everyonee
20:34 hoodedice Hi
20:34 * Jordach scratches head
20:36 * reactor dusts himself
20:36 hoodedice Wow
20:36 hoodedice *silence*
20:36 reactor Indeed.
20:36 hoodedice Maybe a few fanboys everyday would stir up the IRC
20:37 VanessaE heh
20:37 reactor Indeed.
20:37 VanessaE they get fanboyish enough, there's always /bin :P
20:37 VanessaE er /ban
20:37 hoodedice I should have continued for another 15 minutes
20:37 reactor bin
20:37 reactor hah
20:37 VanessaE /ban them and throw them in the bin :)
20:37 reactor Not in my /bin.
20:38 kaeza [17:37:24] <VanessaE> they get fanboyish enough, there's always /bin :P
20:38 reactor Ooh yeah yeah. Deep meaning.
20:38 kaeza better /bin/rm :P
20:38 VanessaE exactly
20:38 VanessaE there are sufficient tools in /bin to make a real mess of someone :D
20:39 reactor Yep.
20:39 kaeza my damned RETURN key is almost dead
20:39 reactor /bin/dd always works.
20:39 jin_xi ctrl-j
20:39 sfan5 what about /bin/cat
20:39 reactor Disk Destroyer.
20:39 reactor cat /dev/null > offender
20:39 VanessaE sfan5: only use that against NekoGloop
20:39 VanessaE :D
20:40 sfan5 reactor: won't do anything
20:40 DanDuncombe Have an automatic banner for any name that has minecraft in it unless it is hateminecraft or hatesminecraft
20:40 sfan5 VanessaE: :D
20:40 PenguinDad *Copy and Convert
20:40 * NekoGloop yawns
20:40 reactor sfan5: will overwrite with empty file
20:40 reactor eh.
20:40 reactor single >
20:40 PenguinDad you mean /dev/zero
20:40 reactor no
20:40 reactor /dev/zero - endless stream of zeros
20:40 reactor /dev/null - end of file
20:40 sfan5 /dev/null doesn't output a think
20:40 kaeza guest@xkcd:/$ cat
20:40 kaeza You're a kitty!
20:40 reactor it does
20:40 sfan5 ..
20:40 VanessaE reactor: /dev/null is write-only
20:40 reactor end od file
20:40 sfan5 wait right
20:41 sfan5 kaeza: s/kitty/kitten/
20:41 reactor no, it does actually read end of file when you cat it
20:41 VanessaE weird
20:41 reactor try it eh
20:41 kaeza sfan5, try it http://uni.xkcd.com/
20:41 john_minetest "cat filename | tail" shows the end of file.
20:41 sfan5 kaeza: I have tried
20:41 sfan5 it
20:41 reactor Shit.
20:42 reactor john_minetest: I'm talking about EOF.
20:42 reactor The character.
20:42 reactor That ends the file.
20:42 reactor It's usually Control-D.
20:42 reactor You press that key to log out.
20:42 PenguinDad on windows it's Ctrl-Z
20:42 reactor Rather, to end your input in something.
20:42 reactor PenguinDad: mkay.
20:42 reactor on all DOS it is.
20:43 DanDuncombe Can an inventory slot in a node have unlimited items in it? i.e. take one and another appears
20:43 thexyz john_minetest: you don't need `cat` in this sample, do you?
20:43 VanessaE DanDuncombe: manually, sure
20:43 DanDuncombe Like the creative inventory
20:44 VanessaE as long as you (in code) put a new item in when one is taken out of the slot
20:44 DanDuncombe So I can have an admin-only money printer.
20:44 VanessaE sure
20:44 sfan5 thexyz: "tail <filename>" works just fine
20:44 DanDuncombe Can you code it? I tried before, but it crashed when I took an item out.
20:44 VanessaE but for such things, perhaps you should use a button instead - click it, and X number of Minegeld are added to your inventory
20:45 VanessaE no, I suck at formspecs.
20:45 DanDuncombe True. I would find that even harder to code.
20:45 DanDuncombe If Sokomine is there, Can you Make the Above 'button to print money' Formspec Please?
20:45 thexyz sfan5: I know
20:46 DanDuncombe VanessaE, you should make a survival server.
20:46 VanessaE I may convert my server to survival some day
20:46 DanDuncombe Make it better than Landrush
20:46 VanessaE but I don't have the resources to run two.
20:47 DanDuncombe I don't like Landrush
20:47 VanessaE well actually..
20:47 VanessaE strike that
20:47 DanDuncombe How about: Every other day, you switch between the servers
20:47 VanessaE I have the resources to run roughly 2.
20:47 DanDuncombe That is great.
20:48 DanDuncombe I still don't like Landrush because of the claim nodes. I have no idea what area I have claimed, so I quit.
20:48 VanessaE maybe I'll set one up.  same game as now?
20:48 DanDuncombe Yes. But can you please add my currency mod?
20:48 reactor Hmm.
20:48 VanessaE I need Sokomine to finish fixing the spray booth ..
20:48 reactor Is survival working well enough?
20:49 DanDuncombe We need an awesome all new gamemode better than creative and survival
20:49 DanDuncombe To make a mega-server
20:49 VanessaE DanDuncombe: that would be my game mode, imho :D
20:49 reactor Action? Like, eh. Realistic warfare?
20:50 DanDuncombe VanessaE, I think the server would be cool.
20:50 DanDuncombe Now, if someone could just quickly do Voltz, which I play and like, then we are ready :)
20:50 DanDuncombe *do a Minetest mod exactly emulating Voltz I mean
20:50 sfan5 !g Voltz
20:50 MinetestBot sfan5: http://www.technicpack.net/voltz
20:50 sfan5 !deop
20:50 sfan5 !title
20:50 MinetestBot sfan5: Voltz - Technic Platform
20:50 sfan5 derü
20:51 sfan5 s/derü/derp/
20:51 DanDuncombe It has about 20 different ICBMs
20:51 sfan5 and I didn't expect that to work
20:51 DanDuncombe Screw that. ExplosivesCraft
20:51 sfan5 Install the nuke mod 8)
20:51 reactor Minecraft world is not big enough to allow for ICBM's.
20:51 reactor Duh.
20:51 reactor Neither nukes, probably.
20:52 DanDuncombe ExplosivesCraft has about 3 explosives mods, about 20 ICBMs, many army vehicles and guns and planes, several machinery mods, etc.
20:52 reactor Vehicles... good.
20:52 DanDuncombe It even has flyable starwars spaceships!
20:52 reactor It's sad how Minecraft devs are trying to keep the medieval theme.
20:52 DanDuncombe Many army trucks, tanks, cars,personel transporters, etc.
20:53 reactor Because maps usually grow too big to be playable on foot or on pig.
20:53 reactor Games with big maps do need trucks.
20:54 VanessaE DanDuncombe: wait here, I'm setting one up.
20:54 DanDuncombe The biggest personel carrier has a mounted minigun, and about 30 seats for passengers (1 player per seat)
20:54 DanDuncombe So you can drive your players to the battlefield
20:54 DanDuncombe And well, red matter bombs. Wow.
20:55 reactor red matter?
20:55 reactor meat?
20:55 reactor blood?
20:55 reactor blood bombs... disgusting, but nothing beyond
20:55 sfan5 "(1 player per seat)" umm
20:55 DanDuncombe Red matter bombs make a black whole that slowly expands, sucking entities and nodes in and blowing them up,whilst makiing a terrifying screching noise.
20:55 DanDuncombe sfan5, right click a seat to be attached to that seat.
20:56 sfan5 yeah
20:56 reactor all 30 on the same seat
20:56 DanDuncombe This is Minecraft I am talking about
20:56 reactor would be a stack of humans
20:56 sfan5 but isn't it obvious to have 1 player per seat
20:56 DanDuncombe Antimatter bombs make a huge hole.
20:56 reactor look up headwalking in CS 1.6
20:56 hoodedice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C5o9CwHsLo
20:56 DanDuncombe Ender bombs teleport you toafake nether
20:56 hoodedice !title
20:56 MinetestBot hoodedice: The Ultimate Handshake! - YouTube
20:57 DanDuncombe Who thinks a VanessaE survival server would be awesome?
20:57 reactor DanDuncombe: End or Nether?
20:57 DanDuncombe *to fake end I mean
20:57 reactor I do think survival should be used, at least sometimes.
20:57 reactor so eh.
20:57 reactor o/
20:57 reactor DanDuncombe: oh.
20:58 DanDuncombe And the fake End, when you kill the Enderdragon,makes a portal that instead of teleporting you to the overworld, teleports you to the real End.
20:58 DanDuncombe So you have to kill 2 Dragons to get back
20:58 DanDuncombe The best way to kill the Dragon is with snowballs, you know.
20:59 DanDuncombe I am serious
20:59 reactor Or could just die.
20:59 reactor And return back to the Earth.
20:59 reactor Because death in the End teleports you back.
20:59 DanDuncombe The Explosives+ mod is awesome too
20:59 DanDuncombe It has things like usable AC-130s and stuff
21:00 reactor Is there Explosives-?
21:00 DanDuncombe And Valkyrie missile launchers
21:00 DanDuncombe And Volcanos
21:00 DanDuncombe And Genesisbombs
21:00 reactor As in, the guns that fire 50 rounds per second?
21:00 reactor Gore mods would be good with these.
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21:01 reactor Dismembering enemies.
21:01 DanDuncombe Guns that when fired, cause all nodes withing around 20 nodes of the target to fly around then get catapulted 100s of blocks.
21:01 PenguinDad Genesisbombs Star Trek?
21:01 DanDuncombe Genesis Bombs reset your world entirely
21:01 DanDuncombe So it is like ultimate roll-back
21:02 DanDuncombe They make an epic purple lightning effect
21:02 DanDuncombe The genesis bomb: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dszwbr8jpminimu/currency.zip
21:02 DanDuncombe Wrong link sorry
21:03 DanDuncombe http://www.explosivesplus.com/wiki_view_5.html
21:03 DanDuncombe There
21:04 DanDuncombe Biome busters simply delete the biome they are placed in.
21:04 VanessaE DanDuncombe: vanessae.mine.bz port 30001
21:04 DanDuncombe 'Theoretically, it can destroy upwards of 64 million blocks (You'll need a very high powered computer though for that). '
21:04 DanDuncombe Thanks VanessaE
21:04 VanessaE brand new world and you'll be the first one on it.  Nothing has been built yet, I just stayed there long enough to let some of the surrounding land be generated.
21:05 DanDuncombe Are there any mods?
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21:05 VanessaE it's my game.  survival mode now.
21:05 LazyJ VanessaE, I've just tried placing a yard sign in my area on your server and I'm not able to enter text to the sign.
21:05 reactor hmm
21:05 VanessaE the regular server is still there on 30000 of course.
21:05 VanessaE LazyJ: oh?
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21:05 DanDuncombe Can you add my currency mod VanessaE?
21:05 LazyJ Outside of my area the yard sign text entry works.
21:05 VanessaE DanDuncombe: shortly.
21:05 DanDuncombe Thanks VanessaE
21:06 VanessaE link?
21:06 LazyJ I placed a "wall" sign in my are and the text worked.
21:06 VanessaE LazyJ: remind me later and I'll see if I can fix it
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21:06 DanDuncombe VanessaE: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7002
21:06 VanessaE NekoGloop: I think the treasure chests are a bit too numerous btw
21:06 LazyJ Hehehe... sure. Nothing like a chat flurry to keep you on your toes. :)
21:07 NekoGloop Why?
21:07 VanessaE ew, a dropbox link
21:07 NekoGloop If you're not using lolhyperspeed then it's just fine
21:07 DanDuncombe I found over 20 treasure chests just by wondering around, all were either tier 1 or 2
21:07 VanessaE NekoGloop: newly-generated world, "places node glooptest:treasure_chest*" kinda poured out for the first few mins.
21:07 DanDuncombe They wre about 20 nodes apart each
21:08 VanessaE oh wait, I ain't done yet, I need to add hostile mobs too.
21:08 NekoGloop Tier 1 has, at best, stone tools.
21:08 VanessaE server down.
21:08 NekoGloop Tier 2 has obsidian shards if you're REALLY lucky
21:08 DanDuncombe I have 2 stacks of obsidian shards now
21:08 DanDuncombe Just from treasure chests
21:08 NekoGloop fast_move?
21:09 DanDuncombe And 2 chests of wood and stone hammers, and handsaws
21:09 DanDuncombe VanessaE: When you add the currency mod, can I please have a starting amount of, say,20?
21:09 NekoGloop I'm not going to balance the rarity of the chests around something that's barely controllable.
21:09 VanessaE wait, slow down
21:10 NekoGloop VanessaE, How many of those are >=3?
21:10 VanessaE I'll just remove the treasure chests from the new world.
21:10 VanessaE NekoGloop: about 75% of them
21:10 DanDuncombe NekoGloop: In my world, none were above level 2
21:10 NekoGloop DanDuncombe, because you didn't go underground.
21:11 VanessaE NekoGloop: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6019285/
21:11 DanDuncombe Oh, didn't know they went underground too.
21:11 VanessaE make that closer to 90%.
21:11 DanDuncombe VanessaE: Can I please have the cache files for the Survival server?
21:11 VanessaE DanDuncombe: same as the cache for the creative server.
21:12 DanDuncombe Oh, but I still can't connect
21:12 NekoGloop Blame devs for making place_node spam the console
21:12 VanessaE that's because I shut it down for a few mins'
21:12 reactor server down eh
21:12 DanDuncombe I am stuck on 'connecting to server'
21:12 VanessaE I'm configuring it.
21:12 VanessaE [08-23 17:09] <VanessaE> server down.
21:12 DanDuncombe Oh right. Now I have 2 not-responding Minetests
21:12 reactor DanDuncombe: what OS?
21:12 DanDuncombe Windows
21:13 reactor Oh, I could guess. "not-responding".
21:13 DanDuncombe They don't close, no matter what.
21:13 reactor Well, it's your OS's problem it can't handle such situations.
21:13 DanDuncombe Task Manager: Fails
21:13 NekoGloop Since you're too stupid to know how to task manager, get off the computer now.
21:13 reactor mine close fine on control-C from the temrinal
21:13 reactor stop
21:13 reactor no panic
21:14 reactor try taskkill
21:14 reactor in your shell
21:14 DanDuncombe Ctrl+C says shutting down, but doesn't shut down
21:14 reactor meh
21:14 DanDuncombe How do I tell it which one to kill?
21:14 NekoGloop close out the terminal
21:14 reactor try using taskkill upon it
21:14 reactor NekoGloop: won't help
21:14 DanDuncombe NekoGloop, the terminal won't close.
21:14 NekoGloop or you can use the processes part of the task manager and look for "minetest.exe"
21:14 reactor DanDuncombe: just kill it by image name
21:14 DanDuncombe Errrrm.
21:14 reactor it will kill all instances afaik
21:14 reactor why not kill all of them?
21:14 NekoGloop Like someone who isn't a complete moron.
21:15 reactor NekoGloop: task manager can be slow if the system is bogged down
21:15 DanDuncombe Telling Minetest.exe to end in task manager processes doesn't do a admn.
21:15 reactor open your terminal, use taskkill like a man
21:15 sfan5 :D
21:15 NekoGloop No wonder people hate windows users. Half of them don't know how to use the bloody system.
21:15 DanDuncombe Just saying taskkill will kill everything though, right?
21:16 reactor It should kill every instance of the program you give the name of.
21:16 reactor I don't remember.
21:16 DanDuncombe My computer doesn't work properly anyway. Half of C:\ drive is corrupt.
21:16 reactor Maybe not.
21:16 thexyz did you try pressing ctrl+c twice?
21:16 reactor Windows is corrupt eh.
21:16 reactor Sometimes one ^C is not enough eh.
21:16 DanDuncombe thexyz: The terminal is now not responding
21:17 reactor Especially on a busy machine.
21:17 reactor DanDuncombe: hell, just type "taskkill" in a free terminal!
21:17 DanDuncombe Windows explorer has now stopped responding...
21:17 kaeza DanDuncombe, if your C: drive is corrupt, try bribing it
21:17 reactor Ha.
21:17 DanDuncombe Bribing?! WTF?!
21:17 reactor Yeah.
21:17 DanDuncombe How will that work?!
21:17 NekoGloop Let's just stop trying to help.
21:17 reactor Pry its case open with a screwdriver. Put in some money.
21:18 DanDuncombe No way
21:18 NekoGloop He's clearly too much of a moron to understand us.
21:18 reactor Glue it closed. Should work.
21:18 sfan5 you open your drive cover and and put a kitten on it
21:18 NekoGloop kittens~
21:18 DanDuncombe I once changed the video card whilst in a flowerbed
21:18 NekoGloop VanessaE, I'm working on scaffolds for gloopblocks.
21:18 VanessaE cool
21:18 DanDuncombe I had an anti-static wristband earthed in the flower-bed
21:18 reactor But meh.
21:18 reactor Stop confusing the guy.
21:18 reactor DanDuncombe: listen, uh... you just need to pop up another terminal, and type "taskkill". It will show you the necessary help.
21:18 DanDuncombe Okay
21:18 NekoGloop You've probably noticed the gloopblocks_scaffolding.png
21:19 VanessaE wait a minute, which module supplies treasure chests?
21:19 NekoGloop Othergen
21:19 NekoGloop Extragen
21:19 DanDuncombe reactor: Invalid Syntax
21:19 NekoGloop Whatever the hell I called it
21:19 reactor DanDuncombe: if you don't understand teh message, try "taskkill /im minetest.exe" several times.
21:19 DanDuncombe Okay
21:19 reactor DanDuncombe: taskkill /help
21:20 NekoGloop VanessaE, I'll supply options for chest rarity.
21:20 DanDuncombe It said it sent the termination signal but both Minetests are still open and not responding.
21:20 reactor DanDuncombe: okay, try taskkill /help
21:20 reactor DanDuncombe: try and read about how to kill them more brotallu
21:20 reactor brutally*
21:20 reactor damn it
21:20 reactor well
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21:20 kaeza reactor, I think it's "/?"
21:20 NekoGloop Try pulling the plug
21:20 reactor I don't know what the equivalent of kill -9 on Windows is called.
21:20 NekoGloop best solution
21:21 reactor kaeza: maybe.
21:21 DanDuncombe What plug?
21:21 reactor I don't remember. It's years since I last used the command.
21:21 DanDuncombe You mean the battery?
21:21 reactor DanDuncombe: don't listen to him
21:21 DanDuncombe I'll  just restart. It is what I normally do.
21:21 reactor DanDuncombe: just try and read the taskkill's help
21:21 reactor DanDuncombe: damn it, no
21:21 DanDuncombe Pull out the battery and restart.
21:21 reactor do not restart
21:21 DanDuncombe It is the only known way to close the programs
21:22 reactor you need to learn to handle such situations, buy
21:22 VanessaE DanDuncombe: ok, try it now - I've deleted the map file so it can restart fresh.  NekoGloop:  too late.  I don't want treasure chests on the survival world.
21:22 reactor boy*
21:22 john_minetest d'oh, kernel panic
21:22 NekoGloop are they "too easy"? :P
21:22 DanDuncombe VanessaE, am I connecting?
21:22 VanessaE NekoGloop: imho players need to work for what they gain in a survival world
21:23 VanessaE DanDuncombe: no, but reactor just connected.
21:23 reactor I have.
21:23 reactor Loading item defs.
21:23 DanDuncombe VanessaE: When I join, can I have 20 free Minegelds?
21:23 DanDuncombe 'connecting to server'
21:23 reactor DanDuncombe: if you kill the offending processes without killing your OS.
21:23 VanessaE try again, you probably jumped the gun
21:24 reactor Who?
21:24 DanDuncombe I can't press ESC
21:24 VanessaE DanDuncombe: ^^
21:24 reactor Oh.
21:24 DanDuncombe That crashes Minetest and freezes it...
21:24 DanDuncombe And I get Minetest Not-Responding
21:24 DanDuncombe 'connecting to server'
21:24 sudi joined #minetest
21:24 reactor He's probably having cognitive delay.
21:24 VanessaE DanDuncombe: you'll need to terminate that session from your task manager.
21:24 reactor He probably has some sort of a cognitive delay*
21:24 VanessaE ctrl-alt-delete isn't it?  been a long time since I used windows.
21:24 NekoGloop So some random wood and stone tools are too easy?
21:24 DanDuncombe Okay, I'll try connecting a thrid time
21:24 reactor Pardon my EnGlitch.
21:25 john_minetest I hate when I get kernel panics...
21:25 reactor john_minetest: GNU eh.
21:25 VanessaE DanDuncombe: vanessae.mine.bz:30001
21:25 john_minetest reactor: The word "glitch" has german roots.
21:25 DanDuncombe VanessaE, I know
21:25 reactor john_minetest: I suppose so.
21:25 john_minetest reactor: Actually only me trying to start a self-compiled kernel without init... maybe no good idea...
21:25 DanDuncombe My village has officially the slowest Internet in England. I am actually serious.
21:25 sfan5 !up vanessae.mine.bz 30001
21:25 MinetestBot vanessae.mine.bz:30001 is up (432ms)
21:26 DanDuncombe They did a survey :(
21:26 reactor !up localhost 22
21:26 MinetestBot reactor: Invalid Address
21:26 DanDuncombe 'connecting to server'
21:26 reactor MinetestBot: you're invalid.
21:26 sfan5 reactor: it only checks minetest servers, and the answer would be yes
21:26 PenguinDad !up 127.0.0.1 22
21:26 MinetestBot 127.0.0.1:22 seems to be down
21:26 DanDuncombe Bah. Why can't I connect?
21:27 reactor Hmm.
21:27 DanDuncombe 'connecting to server'
21:27 reactor I'm stuck at item definitions.
21:27 ShadowNinja reactor: Reconnect.
21:27 reactor tried eh
21:27 DanDuncombe I am virtually the opposite side of the world to VanessaE
21:28 reactor sfan5: oh
21:28 reactor mk
21:28 NekoGloop VanessaE, so.... what don't you like about treasure chests?
21:28 DanDuncombe Dammit. I now have a third 'Not-Responding' Minetest
21:28 reactor DanDuncombe: pwned.
21:28 reactor Get a better OS.
21:29 DanDuncombe I can't
21:29 reactor Why?
21:29 DanDuncombe Linux sucks
21:29 reactor Your hands are crooked?
21:29 reactor Linux sucks, but it sucks less than Windows.
21:29 DanDuncombe And every other OS I cannot install
21:29 reactor A lot less.
21:29 reactor Because your hands are crooked.
21:29 DanDuncombe Linux freezes and crashes on me almost all the ime
21:29 VanessaE NekoGloop: they give free stuff is why :-)
21:29 reactor You can't even control Windows commands.
21:30 reactor DanDuncombe: it's you who is making it crash eh.
21:30 reactor Linux is not as much of a paded room as Windows.
21:30 reactor padded, even
21:30 NekoGloop ^ linux help desk
21:30 DanDuncombe I have tried Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Mint and Arch, they ALL crash on me
21:30 reactor you know, padded rooms, for psychos
21:30 NekoGloop Oh, nice, a hater.
21:30 DanDuncombe I am on a netbook btw
21:30 DanDuncombe 'Shocked silence'
21:31 reactor Even better for Linux.
21:31 reactor Because netbooks tend to overuse the battery on Windows.
21:31 VanessaE DanDuncombe: it would seem that windows isn't particularly stable either...
21:31 reactor Yep.
21:31 reactor If it's hanging games.
21:31 reactor But.
21:31 DanDuncombe Windows is more stable than Linux
21:31 reactor RTFM about taskkill if you're so smart.
21:31 reactor It is?
21:32 reactor Ha.
21:32 DanDuncombe Kubuntu comepletely broke in a Kubuntu Update
21:32 DanDuncombe The mouse stopped moving
21:32 reactor Well, prove it. Use taskkill and bring down the offenders, DanDuncombe.
21:32 DanDuncombe taskkill /im NekoGloop.exe
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21:33 reactor DanDuncombe: come on. How are you supposed to use computers if you don't even know how to kill hung programs?
21:33 DanDuncombe Because nothing I have ever tried actually works
21:33 DanDuncombe Because my computer has a semi corrupt disk
21:33 reactor Because you have your arms growing out of your stinky hole.
21:33 reactor If your disk is corrupt, replace it.
21:33 DanDuncombe I cannot turn it off without taking out the battery or using the power button.
21:34 reactor If your disk can not be replaced, replace the machine altogether.
21:34 reactor Or hook up an external disk.
21:34 DanDuncombe If I try to turn it off normal way, it gets stuck on shutting down.
21:34 reactor Because it's Windows and your lameness multiplying each other's destructive efect.
21:34 DanDuncombe It was stuck on shutting down for over 30 hours befire I pulled out the battery
21:34 reactor Look, I tried to help you. I tried to point you to the right command.
21:35 DanDuncombe And I do mean 30 hours
21:35 reactor What are you moaning about now?
21:35 kaeza DanDuncombe, backup your important stuff, and use a disk repair/check tool (like scandisk or such)
21:35 DanDuncombe My computer won't turn off the normal way.
21:35 DanDuncombe The backup fails because the disk is corrupt.
21:35 DanDuncombe Copy/Paste fails too
21:35 reactor DanCucumber, change the bloody disk!
21:36 DanDuncombe But I can't afford a new disk
21:36 DanDuncombe I am saving for a proper Laptop
21:36 PenguinDad !g Cucumber Rubygems
21:36 MinetestBot PenguinDad: http://rubygems.org/gems/cucumber
21:36 DanDuncombe Seriously, I only have a 1.6Ghz Atom processor, I can'tdo much gaming on it.
21:37 DanDuncombe CPU never drops below 80%
21:37 reactor 1.6GHz is much.
21:37 DanDuncombe My computer runs at ~80*C Idle
21:37 reactor Could even draw software rasteriser, like some sick people do.
21:37 reactor Meheh.
21:37 DanDuncombe And is bloosy slow
21:37 DanDuncombe *bloody
21:37 reactor You're a moron, that's it.
21:37 john_minetest I use a laptop with 2x2.2 GHz and a PC with 1x2.0 GHz pentium 4 atm.
21:37 reactor It's not slow.
21:37 reactor It's a good machine. Good enough. You just need to replace the fucking disk.
21:38 DanDuncombe What isn't?
21:38 DanDuncombe It is shit.
21:38 reactor Stop complaining about how shitty X is, try to improve it, you cocomberhead.
21:38 reactor cucumberhead*
21:38 DanDuncombe It sometimes freezes opening Mozilla Firefox
21:38 * proller making custom freeze-melt temps for any block, and set stone melting at 5c WELCOME TO HEEEEL 8]
21:38 reactor Firefox is slow.
21:38 thexyz are you seriously going to do "much gaming" on laptop?
21:38 reactor Not the machine.
21:38 DanDuncombe I get 6-7 FPS in Minetest
21:39 john_minetest Firefox is slow on all machines.
21:39 DanDuncombe I have about 10 nodes view range
21:39 john_minetest And I get less than 1 FPS on my 2GHz PC
21:39 DanDuncombe I have 2gb RAM
21:39 john_minetest And serious glitches
21:39 kaeza DanDuncombe, I could run GTA:VC on a 64MB Celeron @ 333MHz, you can do wonders with 1.6GHz
21:39 reactor Yeah.
21:39 DanDuncombe Not if its Intel Atom processor :P
21:40 reactor DanDuncombe: now you shut up and kill the processes.
21:40 DanDuncombe I tried and failed
21:40 kaeza Celeron (...) w/ 64MB of RAM *
21:40 reactor Try again, try harder.
21:40 kaeza or whatever
21:40 john_minetest DanDuncombe: I use a 2GHz pentium 4 and a 64 MB graphics card that doesn't support GL.
21:40 reactor There must be a switch to that command to make it enforce their death.
21:41 john_minetest Linux runs great, compile time is a bit long but it works.
21:41 reactor "SIGKILL", the signal is called
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21:41 DanDuncombe I am NOT RUNNING SIGKILL
21:41 reactor WHAT?
21:41 VanessaE eh?
21:41 NekoGloop joined #minetest
21:41 kaeza bleh!
21:41 reactor Shit, I only messed it up.
21:41 DanDuncombe I SAID: I AM NOT RUNNING SIGKILL
21:41 VanessaE sigkill is how you terminate a process that's as dead as it can otherwise be.
21:41 reactor I shouldn't be helping you, DanDouchebag.
21:41 Sokomine sometimes a sigkill is a good option
21:42 ShadowNinja DanDuncombe: You can't, it isn't a command and it is only available on Linux-like OSs
21:42 VanessaE it's usually the last thing you try when a process just won't terminate.
21:42 PenguinDad POSIX ftw
21:42 reactor VanessaE: in his case, when nothing else works, it is.
21:42 DanDuncombe VanessaE: last time I ran it my start menu disappeared
21:42 kaeza :|
21:42 VanessaE sig QUIT, HUP, TERM, KILL are usually the order I use them in.
21:42 reactor Heh.
21:42 NekoGloop DanDuncombe, Please, just stop existing
21:43 PilzAdam Pilztest has a complete texture overhaul
21:43 reactor I do usually go for three more SIGTERM'S, then HUP; if that doesn't work, I KILL.
21:43 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/pilztest
21:43 DanDuncombe I will never stop exiting
21:43 DanDuncombe *existing
21:43 reactor DanDuncombe: oh, just reboot it. Pussy.
21:43 kaeza VanessaE, under windows, it's usually SIG<anything> followed by SIGBSOD :P
21:43 john_minetest Wait, why the flamewar suddenly?
21:43 VanessaE hh
21:43 DanDuncombe Is there any way of copy-pasting into the Windows terminal
21:43 VanessaE heh
21:43 john_minetest Did I miss something?
21:44 reactor DanDuncombe: you will never stop EXITING, yes.
21:44 reactor Because you're a quitter.
21:44 DanDuncombe RRRRRRAAAAAGGGGGEEEE!
21:44 Sokomine usually i start with crtl-c. if that fails (repeatedly), the process gets a friendly normal kill. if even that fails, it's signal nr 9 (ought to be KILL)
21:44 john_minetest There is htop and top. Very nice, these let you select if you want to sigkill or sigwhatever.
21:44 DanDuncombe Forced Restart.G'bye folks.
21:45 reactor john_minetest: there is pkill.
21:45 reactor Even faster.
21:45 reactor :D
21:45 john_minetest Sokomine: I like xkill for killing hanging programs.
21:45 thexyz PilzAdam: pics?
21:45 reactor finally.
21:45 john_minetest xkill is very nice if there's a window.
21:45 Sokomine xkill sounds too much like using x
21:45 john_minetest I use it often when my crappy-written window applications crash.
21:45 reactor meh, xkill relies on the mouse
21:46 john_minetest If I got serious problems I do ctrl-alt-f2 and do killall stuff there.
21:46 john_minetest And when nothing works I press the "off" button on my pc.
21:46 PilzAdam thexyz, wait a second...
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21:47 PenguinDad PilzAdam: are the textures made by you?
21:47 PilzAdam yep
21:47 Evergreen PilzAdam: Those textures look nice, I'll have to try them out.
21:48 reactor 03:45:10: ERROR[main]: The server is probably  running a different version of Minetest.
21:48 reactor Hmm.
21:48 reactor Did I miss a release?
21:48 PenguinDad good work PilzAdam
21:48 VanessaE reactor: git.
21:48 reactor Meh.
21:49 bas080 Hey andersje, nice to see the dutch are noticing minetest. I assume you are dutch
21:49 reactor Tomorrow, probably... too drowsy to compile.
21:49 reactor "I even lost my penish in an unfortunate schmelting accident"
21:49 bas080 ha ha
21:50 reactor "Don't do anything schtupid, or the schoosting begins!"
21:50 Evergreen PilzAdam: I just updated pilztest, and those textures are awesome.    A lot of them are better than default IMO
21:50 * VanessaE debates copying the spawn from the creative server over to the survival one..
21:51 PilzAdam thexyz, http://mg.viewskew.com/u/pilzadam/collection/pilztest/
21:51 PenguinDad Evergreen: that's my opinion
21:52 reactor Good night!
21:53 PilzAdam I dont like the tools very much
21:56 PenguinDad PilzAdam: i can't dig bones with a single click in creative mode
21:56 PilzAdam yea
21:57 PilzAdam thats because you cant override the digging times for dig_immediate
21:58 * PenguinDad understands slowly
22:01 Jordach PilzAdam: nice textures
22:03 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/m/war-machine-animation-test/
22:03 Jordach Evergreen: ^
22:04 Evergreen Pretty cool!   The cell shading looks nice for image renders, but if you ever do a full featured animation, I would prefer that you didn't use it
22:04 PenguinDad haha Warmachine
22:05 Jordach Evergreen: it's only the borderlands style
22:06 Evergreen I love it, but don't use it for everything.
22:06 Evergreen I still think it would be awesome if someone could make a cell shaded shader for minetest
22:07 * Jordach too
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22:15 VanessaE there, both servers are properly set up now
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22:16 DanDuncombe VanessaE, you shut down the server?
22:16 VanessaE I restarted it to enable hostile mobs
22:16 VanessaE sorry, didn't realize you were still on :-)
22:16 DanDuncombe Can I re-join now?
22:16 VanessaE sure
22:16 DanDuncombe I am biulding a shop next to spawn
22:17 VanessaE actually wait a sec.
22:17 DanDuncombe Can you protect an area for m?
22:17 VanessaE I need to copy player accounts et.al over also.
22:17 DanDuncombe *me
22:17 DanDuncombe Okay
22:17 DanDuncombe Say when I can join :)
22:18 DanDuncombe If you protect my shop area, will people still be able to interact with the shops?
22:19 VanessaE they should be able to if you coded it properly.
22:19 DanDuncombe Ok
22:19 DanDuncombe Can I join now?
22:20 PenguinDad on landrush i am not allowed to use the wiki block in the spawn hotel :D
22:20 DanDuncombe Lol
22:21 DanDuncombe left #minetest
22:22 VanessaE DanDuncombe: ok, now.
22:22 VanessaE dammit
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22:32 * Evergreen is learning how to use tkinter
22:38 * PenguinDad is learning how to use formspec
22:40 bas080 joined #minetest
22:43 * john_minetest is learning how to make a custom linux system
22:44 PenguinDad git --fast-version-control
22:45 PilzAdam Unknown option: --fast-version-control
22:45 john_minetest wow, it even boots!
22:46 PenguinDad PilzAdam: i know that :P
22:46 john_minetest but it doesn't find /dev/sdb3...
22:47 john_minetest Maybe an fstab would have been useful...
22:48 john_minetest And init is still missing
22:48 john_minetest gtg, bye
22:48 john_minetest left #minetest
22:51 VanessaE ShadowNinja: ok, it's fixed.  I left your inventory in place, it's what you had before on the creative server.  Dan's too.  everyone else's has been deleted.
22:51 VanessaE I forgot you have to actually shut the server down and leave it down while deleting those files.
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23:06 * NekoGloop curls up in VanessaE's lap
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23:20 kaeza "Yes btw if you want to talk tomy go to ICR.freenode.net and type ##Vazon-Server in the Channel then pick your name and do the catpta and then im there"
23:21 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106158#p106158
23:29 kaeza yey reinvented the wheel
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23:39 NekoGloop sup
23:42 NekoGloop Anyone know if there's an easy way to get the "places <node> at <pos>" to not appear when the code places something?
23:43 PilzAdam its done in builtin/item.lua in the item_place_node() function
23:43 NekoGloop So there's no way to get place_node(...) to not say it?
23:43 PilzAdam hm?
23:44 NekoGloop I want all of place_node(...), without the console spam.
23:45 NekoGloop VanessaE, You about?
23:45 VanessaE not as far as I know, you can't.
23:45 PilzAdam you could make it in a very hacky way by defining minetest.log() as an empty function
23:45 NekoGloop rawr
23:45 NekoGloop VanessaE, http://i.imgur.com/r5HD43o.png :3
23:45 VanessaE nice
23:45 NekoGloop You can place them upward by rightclicking the bottom one
23:46 NekoGloop Range is 19 (20 nodes total)
23:46 NekoGloop Great for making stairs.
23:46 NekoGloop What I need to do now is make sure the player is clicking the bottom one.
23:48 VanessaE have fun with that :)
23:48 NekoGloop Oooo, holding shift forces the game to place instead of rightclick? Nice. That means this works better than I thought.
23:48 NekoGloop VanessaE, Shouldn't be hard. Just have to check if the block below is a scaffold.
23:49 VanessaE and the one below that, and on down for the next 20 nodes.
23:49 NekoGloop Why?
23:49 VanessaE in case there's a gap?
23:49 VanessaE eh, maybe that's overkill
23:49 NekoGloop Hrm, just means I have to loop the search.
23:49 NekoGloop Also I should make the stack not deplete in creative.
23:51 VanessaE good idea.
23:53 NekoGloop I need three monitors.
23:53 NekoGloop One for irc, one for game, one for code
23:53 NekoGloop :P
23:55 bas080 NekoGloop, you want it, you don't need it.
23:55 NekoGloop heh
23:55 NekoGloop Technically I have three monitors.
23:56 NekoGloop I could hook up my TV to my laptop, and use this old desktop monitor.
23:56 NekoGloop (and the one on the laptop)
23:56 VanessaE oh jeez
23:56 NekoGloop hm?
23:56 PilzAdam bye
23:56 VanessaE that's a hell of a way to get three screens.....
23:57 NekoGloop :3
23:57 NekoGloop The monitor isn't that old.
23:57 NekoGloop it's widescreen. But it's gotta be like one of the first-ever widescreen monitors or something :P
23:59 VanessaE ick
23:59 VanessaE widescreen does not belong on a computer monitor
23:59 NekoGloop it's not theater-screen, just wide-screen
23:59 NekoGloop :P

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