Time  Nick          Message
00:04 Peacock       "Former pope Benedict says ‘God told me to’ resign"
00:04 Peacock       anyone else would be in a mental institution following that kind of statement (see Son of Sam) :P
00:25 ShadowNinja   Jordach: I think the ban/quiet list has to be cleaned up a bit. Do you agree? Specificaly things like nick bans.
00:28 sdzen|away    cleaning? bah, bans are bans and quiets are quiets, let them rot :)
00:30 ShadowNinja   sdzen|away: There is a limit of 100 bans, and no staff member in their right mind is going to grant us more in the current state of our ban/quiet lists.
00:30 ShadowNinja   sdzen|away: Also, away nicks are discouraged.
00:31 Evergreen     Just do /away
00:31 Evergreen     and do it again to unmark yourself as away
00:32 ShadowNinja   ^ Actually AWAY <reason> and AWAY for back.
00:59 Jordach       http://en.akinator.com/ <- beated with Minetest Sam
02:04 ShadowNinja   IMO this should be removed. http://wiki.minetest.net/Mod_list
02:06 sdzen         hey! I had an entry on that!
02:06 sdzen         who deleted it!
02:16 ShadowNinja   sdzen: Avoiding issues like that is one of the reasons.
02:17 ShadowNinja   thexyz: Will you install the seealso plugin, or should I remove this tag?
02:34 ShadowNinja   (I see regular headers used for seealso on annother page, perhaps you would prefer that)
02:41 ShadowNinja   Template:Grid/Craft still needs fixing... The one on wiki.minetest.com works.
02:51 ShadowNinja   The wiki should also have a favicon.
02:54 PilzAdam      bye
03:08 kaeza         https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_2751272951.jpg
03:11 sdzen         hmmm
03:11 sdzen         how modern
03:11 sdzen         :)
03:12 kaeza         nore asked for old comps :P
03:13 kaeza         (not too old, but yet...)
04:38 VanessaE      oh what a sucky day
04:38 VanessaE      one of my friends was just fired from her job of 27 years, as a reporter (human interest stories) for a regional newspaper
04:38 VanessaE      no severence, no warning, no reason given
04:38 VanessaE      severance*
04:39 VanessaE      just "Bye, see ya, wouldn't wanna be ya."
04:40 andersje      ah, the joys of a "right to work" state
04:41 VanessaE      that is a concept that needs to die in a fire.
04:41 VanessaE      people NEED jobs.
04:41 andersje      yeah, the knucklehead MBAs here in minnesota are in the process of destroying the MN symphony
04:41 andersje      trying to blame the musicians for not accepting big paycuts
04:41 andersje      after a MASSIVE lobby remodel
04:41 VanessaE      that's gotta be the most important, core need of any person
04:42 andersje      management was planning the lockout for months
04:42 andersje      they registered any likely grassroots domainnames about 5 months before they shuttered the place.
04:42 VanessaE      oh wait, there was a reason:  changes in "business conditions and advertising trends."
04:42 * andersje    nods
04:42 andersje      and they get pissed off when _we_ don't give two weeks notice.
04:42 VanessaE      G*d I just wanna go bitch-slap some people.
04:42 andersje      "sorry, I'm leaving now.  there were changes in my ability to tolerate your crap."
04:44 VanessaE      haha
04:44 andersje      I've only done that once.
04:44 andersje      but it was worth it.
04:59 ShadowNinja   This makes no sense. A ABM is told to run on "technic:grinder" (ammong other things) But it runs on "technic:lv_grinder". http://ix.io/7tB
05:00 VanessaE      alises?
05:00 VanessaE      aliases too
05:00 ShadowNinja   Grr...
05:00 ShadowNinja   How can I do this then?
05:01 VanessaE      check for that node name manually and abort the abm
05:01 ShadowNinja   I don't want unknown items in inventories, but I want to convert old nodenames.
05:01 ShadowNinja   Or do aliases convert nodes?
05:01 VanessaE      I don't know that there's a clean way to avoid an aliased nodename (assuming that's the issue)
05:01 VanessaE      but they do convert, yes
05:02 ShadowNinja   Ok, good, this is unneccesary then.
05:02 VanessaE      if you alias foo:bar to baz:blah, the next time you load your map, it'll have baz:blah on it.
05:03 VanessaE      but you'll need a conversion ABM if you have to handle facedir conversions (e.g. what had to be done with moreblocks when it gained 6d support)
05:05 NekoGloop     conversion ABMs are used by gloopblocks to turn things into mossy versions
05:05 VanessaE      yep
05:05 NekoGloop     (this of course requiring water and isn't instant)
05:05 VanessaE      water and air.
05:06 NekoGloop     Ah, right.
05:06 VanessaE      without air, it was turning rocky seafloors into mossy, which made no sense
05:06 VanessaE      btw, add your mods to the mod database.  https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/mods/
05:07 VanessaE      this database will, I think, be used by the in-game mod store
05:07 NekoGloop     "mods"?
05:07 NekoGloop     You mean "mod"
05:07 VanessaE      well glooptest and whatever else you have
05:08 NekoGloop     I have glooptest.
05:08 NekoGloop     there, happy now? :P
05:10 VanessaE      yes :P
05:10 VanessaE      (I used excerpts from my forum threads for the descriptions)
05:10 NekoGloop     Too lazy.
05:11 VanessaE      :P
05:25 ShadowNinja   ERROR[main]: ServerError: LuaError: error: (null) <-- Oh, yippe, another anonymous arror...
05:26 VanessaE      <NekoGloop> Some exception, we hate you.
05:26 VanessaE      :P
05:27 ShadowNinja   Recently a segfault has been bothering me.
05:27 VanessaE      http://xkcd.com/371/
05:27 VanessaE      obligatory :P
05:27 ShadowNinja   Load a mod that crashes singleplayer, then restart the game.
05:28 ShadowNinja   Can you reproduce it?
05:28 VanessaE      I've never had that error before
05:28 VanessaE      the closest was a C++ exception, and I forget why it happened.
05:29 VanessaE      surely there's more detail than just that?
05:29 VanessaE      I mean, not even a line number?
05:31 ShadowNinja   I can start it in gdb again. Do you know of a bt dump-to-file command?
05:31 VanessaE      not offhand, no
05:31 VanessaE      other than to capture stderr/stdout through tee maybe
05:32 VanessaE      my skills with gdb are limited to 'run', 'bt full', and 'quit' :-)
05:33 ShadowNinja   'set logging on'
05:37 NekoGloop     VanessaE, at least quote me properly :P
05:37 NekoGloop     "Some Exception: I hate you"
05:37 VanessaE      you've said "we" a few times too :P
05:37 NekoGloop     nope
05:38 NekoGloop     and if I did, then I'm an idiot
05:38 NekoGloop     Which, we already knew that.
05:38 VanessaE      .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#minetest.log:Sep 02 2012 21:33:03 <NekoGloop>	some exception: we hate you
05:39 VanessaE      so, you're an idiot :)
05:39 NekoGloop     As I said: we knew that already
05:40 VanessaE      but that's okay
05:40 VanessaE      because you're OUR idiot ;)
05:40 ShadowNinja   http://ix.io/7tL
05:41 VanessaE      *whoosh* WAY over my head
05:42 ShadowNinja   Particle related?
05:42 VanessaE      though obviously the crash i---yeah
05:42 VanessaE      what all throws particles in your world besides digging?
05:43 ShadowNinja   Nothing (AFAIK)
05:43 ShadowNinja   Lemme confirm it isn't something...
05:44 VanessaE      ERROR[main]: mod \"signs\" has unsatisfied dependencies:  \"node_ownership\""},
05:44 VanessaE      O.o
05:46 ShadowNinja   VanessaE: My modified version with protection support.
05:46 VanessaE      ah
05:46 VanessaE      I don't see much in here that tells me wtf happened
05:47 VanessaE      unless it's just a random video driver glitch
05:51 VanessaE      bbl
05:59 Jordach       pilzadam didnt change the topic
05:59 Jordach       !op
06:01 thexyz        ShadowNinja: yes, I will
06:01 thexyz        remind me in 10 hours
06:11 Jordach       too used to blender delete with "x", just tried to delete files and folders in windows with it :P
06:13 Jordach       oh shit, typo
06:13 Jordach       !op
07:16 thexyz        why, github, why
07:19 VanessaE      oh boy, all repos are erroring out
07:19 VanessaE      (500 for me)
07:19 VanessaE      it's all NekoGloop's fault :)
07:23 nore          same, 500 errors
07:23 nore          well, one error, but it is error 500
07:32 nore          VanessaE, I got suggestions for pipeworks
07:32 VanessaE      oh?
07:32 nore          IIRC, it was a furnace fuel detector, but I think it could be best done with an inventory detector
07:33 VanessaE      hm
07:33 nore          I.E, some special tube that looks at the remaining items in a list
07:33 nore          because we would like items to be able to be inserted that direction too
07:34 VanessaE      sounds like it might be useful
07:35 nore          do you know it nodedef in meta will ever be merged?
07:35 VanessaE      eh?
07:35 nore          could be good for reducing number of nodes
07:36 VanessaE      oh
07:36 VanessaE      I dunno, maybe
07:36 VanessaE      I'd like to get someone to rewrite pipes and tubes to be fully 6d facedir compliant
07:36 nore          problem is that this branch is 1 year old...
07:36 VanessaE      instead of 64 different nodes per pipe, it would only be 10 or so
07:36 nore          yes, only 10
07:36 nore          (I counted)
07:37 VanessaE      but that's beyond my skills at present (and way outside of my available time and metal state)
07:37 nore          1 for tubes having 1 connection, 2 for 2, 2 for 3, 2 for 4, 1 for 5 and 1 for 6
07:37 nore          and 1 for tubes with no connection
07:38 VanessaE      right
07:38 nore          but problem is that we can't do that with mese tubes
07:38 nore          because textures will not be want we want if we did
07:38 VanessaE      well mese tubes would remain a special condition then
07:38 VanessaE      excluded from the rewrite
07:39 nore          and the best would be an engine feature that could allow to show boxes or not
07:39 VanessaE      you mean selection boxes?
07:39 nore          http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-08-12#i_3256882
07:40 VanessaE      oh yes
07:41 VanessaE      maybe allow nodeboxes to be grouped.
07:41 nore          yes, but even more code... ;)
07:41 nore          and perhaps breaking compatibility
07:42 jin_xi        metal state?
07:43 jin_xi        *headbang*
07:43 VanessaE      http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6013115/
07:43 VanessaE      like this
07:43 VanessaE      nore ^^^
07:43 nore          or, perhaps better, would be a function that creates the nodebox of a node
07:43 VanessaE      the 0's represent a couple of nodeboxes that would be for bit 0, the 1's for the group for bit 2, etc.
07:43 VanessaE      er bit 1.
07:43 nore          VanessaE, s/fixed/shapechanging
07:43 VanessaE      so an extra level
07:44 VanessaE      right, shapechanging then
07:44 VanessaE      you could even go so far as to do this:
07:44 VanessaE      http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6013119/
07:44 VanessaE      er, s/fixed/shapechanging/ again.
07:45 nore          I had another idea after that, that would be better in all ways
07:45 nore          that was 256 nodedefs packed in 1 node
07:45 nore          and the nodedef would be controlled by param2
07:45 VanessaE      that's a thought too
07:45 KikaRz        There you are, VanessaE :)
07:45 VanessaE      but then how would you set facedir or color overlay (hmmmm's idea0
07:46 VanessaE      KikaRz:  only for a minute or two
07:46 VanessaE      I'm about to go to bed
07:46 KikaRz        Nooo
07:46 KikaRz        DAMN!
07:46 KikaRz        :@
07:46 VanessaE      sowwy
07:46 VanessaE      nore: my idea is best, it's easy to read and fits well within the usual Lua syntax/style
07:47 KikaRz        is better or is the bestest?
07:47 VanessaE      http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6013131/
07:47 VanessaE      there, corrected.
07:47 VanessaE      ok not quite.
07:48 VanessaE      well you get the idea.
07:48 VanessaE      anyways, I'm off to bed.
07:48 KikaRz        VanessaE, i'm in Linux Mint 15 (based in ubuntu)
07:48 VanessaE      KikaRz: cool
07:48 KikaRz        kisses, cya tomorrow
07:48 VanessaE      http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6013133/
07:48 VanessaE      there, final correction.
07:48 VanessaE      night all.
07:49 KikaRz        night
07:51 KikaRz        Sandwich of the day: Pepperoni, Salami, Pickles and B. olives w/ BBQ Sauce
07:52 KikaRz        Kaeza!
07:53 kaeza         wat
07:53 KikaRz        Good morning -.-
07:53 kaeza         mornings
07:54 kaeza         (04:54 here)
07:54 Jordach       08:54 HERE
07:54 Jordach       oops
07:58 KikaRz        8:58
07:58 KikaRz        Jordach <3
07:58 Jordach       0O.O
07:58 Jordach          -0
08:05 KikaRz        testing cs 1.6 linux
08:05 KikaRz        mint
08:16 kaeza         works under 'buntu
08:17 kaeza         console key doesn't work tho'
08:17 kaeza         err... under Xfce4
08:18 KikaRz        kaeza
08:18 Jordach       what
08:18 KikaRz        in certain keyboards it works
08:18 KikaRz        specially Portuguese one
08:19 Jordach       morning nore
08:19 kaeza         ah
08:19 * Jordach     knows why it breaks
08:19 KikaRz        Half Life 2 Deathmatch works well?
08:20 Jordach       the US keyboard for the console key is a different one to a United KINGDOM console key
08:20 KikaRz        I know Jordach
08:20 KikaRz        Portuguese Console Key it's nice
08:20 Jordach       some countries use the UK method, while others (US' bitch) use the US style
08:20 KikaRz        it's the \
08:20 KikaRz        \ or |
08:20 Jordach       mine is: ```````
08:20 KikaRz        yea
08:20 KikaRz        it depends
08:20 kaeza         º\|/º
08:20 KikaRz        it's below the ESC, right?
08:21 Jordach       yup
08:21 KikaRz        mine too
08:21 kaeza         nore, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/screenshot_2751272951.jpg
08:21 Jordach       fun fact: this keyboard is 17 years old
08:21 KikaRz        Fun fact: This keyboard is 18 years old
08:21 Jordach       oh 18, it's a 1995 kb
08:22 kaeza         mine is ~330 days old
08:22 kaeza         beat that
08:22 KikaRz        we've already beaten that -.-
08:22 Jordach       mine's mechanical
08:23 KikaRz        (2)
08:24 KikaRz        grrr...
08:24 KikaRz        Why Portal 2 isn't supported by Linux???
08:24 KikaRz        I can't understand this shit!
08:24 kaeza         O_o
08:25 kaeza         native?
08:25 KikaRz        idk
08:25 kaeza         .-.
08:25 KikaRz        DOTA 2 supports Linux
08:25 KikaRz        why Portal 2 doesn't
08:25 KikaRz        ?
08:31 KikaRz        http://steamcommunity.com/app/620/discussions/0/846956269294377740/
08:31 KikaRz        http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM2Mzk
08:31 KikaRz        Update: It appears Portal 2 isn't publicly available to all via the Steam Linux client, but expect it soon.
08:40 KikaRz        testing HL2 DM
08:41 Jordach       yay
08:41 KikaRz        Could not find the required OpenGL entry point 'glColorMaskIndexedEXT'! Either your video card is unsupported, or your OpenGL driver needs to be updated.
08:41 Jordach       fun fact: it's harder to pirate a linux app then a windows app
08:42 KikaRz        But most of the apps are open source
08:42 Jordach       > most of the apps
08:42 * Jordach     laughs at Ubuntu Software Centre
08:44 thexyz        it's harder because there's nothing to pirate
08:44 thexyz        and you should buy software, not pirate it
08:44 Jordach       you should only do that for MS cra
08:44 Jordach       crap
08:45 Jordach       as it's worth nothing :P
08:46 Calinou       piracy gives you viruses more often than not
08:46 kahrl         If I buy (most) software I get DRM. If I pirate software it's DRM free
08:46 kahrl         (but I'm not interested in this kind of software so it's a moot point)
08:49 Jordach       lol
08:49 Jordach       9/10 cases, it's free of any hidden shit
08:49 Jordach       there is always that 10%
08:52 thexyz        we're talking about software you're interested in
09:03 Jordach       thexyz: which is fuck all
09:03 * Jordach     is addicted to blender
09:03 KikaRz        Jordach
09:04 Jordach       hmm
09:04 KikaRz        Can you give me some BLENDER classes?
09:04 Jordach       ugh
09:04 KikaRz        *lessons
09:04 * Jordach     nearly fixed the arms
09:05 KikaRz        can we do this beautiful girl?
09:05 KikaRz        http://gyazo.com/98495bab843220e69c7850bb10579d37.png
09:10 Jordach       KikaRz: with time, yes
09:11 KikaRz        well
09:11 KikaRz        i just made
09:11 KikaRz        2 cubes
09:11 KikaRz        1 cone
09:12 KikaRz        and a sun
09:13 KikaRz        well
09:13 KikaRz        idk working with this shit
09:13 KikaRz        '-'
09:14 nore          kaeza, those are very good
09:14 nore          Jordach: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106865#p106865
09:17 KikaRz        BAAAAN! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106865#p106865
09:18 Jordach       derp face: http://i.imgur.com/tsn5H0X.png
09:18 nore          kaeza, those are very good
09:18 Jordach       *hits delete*
09:19 KikaRz        I've just explored with the Inspect Element
09:19 nore          Jordach: was there anything in the spoilers?
09:19 Jordach       see imgur link
09:20 Jordach       if there was anything useful, i would have stripped it down to just text, no tags
09:26 Leoneof       anything new in minetest? i haven't downloaded new versions
09:26 Jordach       Leoneof: new engine features, texture pack selection (in git)
09:27 Leoneof       ok, it's worth to download/compile
09:28 nore          I'm happy someone says that my code is alone enough to be worth compile... ;)
09:29 Leoneof       oh
09:29 * Leoneof     gives up
09:29 KikaRz        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdkBkbte19I
09:29 KikaRz        Jordach
09:29 KikaRz        see gingerbread
09:30 Jordach       KikaRz: cgcookie is the best resource when working with blender
09:31 KikaRz        *w*
09:31 Jordach       lots of tutorials + blend files to practice
09:31 Jordach       (some have them, some dont)
09:32 KikaRz        lol Jordach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRFrU594gPg
09:32 KikaRz        laughing
09:33 kaeza         nore, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/floppy_drive_textures.zip
09:34 kaeza         CC-BY-SA
09:34 kaeza         I will look later into shading them
09:34 Jordach       http://i.imgur.com/vOwiYvk.png <- new legs + arms
09:34 Jordach       hat layer *WAS* wip
09:34 nore          ok, thanks
09:35 KikaRz        i like to mess with particles
09:35 Jordach       i've also rebuilt the entire bone structure
09:48 KikaRz        Jordach, what you doing?
09:49 Jordach       KikaRz: http://i.imgur.com/XhwXlYL.png
09:49 KikaRz        nice
09:49 KikaRz        a ghost
09:49 Jordach       Gen (4?!?!)
09:49 Jordach       KikaRz: that's wireframe
09:49 KikaRz        i know
09:49 KikaRz        :P
09:49 Jordach       fun fact: no INVERSE KINETICS
09:51 kaeza         so Lua entities don't have inventories?
09:54 KikaRz        Kinetics were made to spy people.
09:56 kaeza         did you mean: Kinect?
09:56 Jordach       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtiAP8xMSPo
09:57 nore          kaeza, I made them have one for one of my mods using detached inventories
09:58 kaeza         I was looking at the implementation of the trader mob
09:58 kaeza         reading sapier's code is hazardous to one's health ;_;
10:00 kaeza         nore, do you have a link handy?
10:01 nore          https://github.com/Novatux/turtle
10:01 nore          look at turtle.lua, near the end
10:02 kaeza         ah I see
10:03 nore          I generate an unique id for each entity
10:03 nore          and I have to serialize inventories
10:05 kaeza         that cleared up a bit this thing with detached invs
10:05 kaeza         thanks
10:05 nore          you're welcome
10:26 PenguinDad    haha https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106834#p106834
10:34 KikaRz        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106868#p106868
10:36 KikaRz        PenguinDad:
10:37 PenguinDad    yeah I've seen it right now
10:37 KikaRz        u_u'
10:38 KikaRz        Aqua wrote:
10:38 KikaRz        (Yes or No) I am stupid. To be or not to be?
10:38 KikaRz        I don't understand
10:39 kaeza         KikaRz, "Yes, I am stupid" or "No, I am stupid"
10:39 KikaRz        Yes, you are stupid.
10:40 kaeza         pick one
10:40 KikaRz        I choose "Yes, you are stupid."
10:43 KikaRz        Jordach, what are you doing?
10:52 Jordach       KikaRz: not being at home
10:52 KikaRz        lawl
10:58 KikaRz        can't stop hearing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OglS3Q0Zxik
10:58 PenguinDad    !title
10:58 MinetestBot   PenguinDad: [Official Video] Can&#39;t Hold Us - Pentatonix (Macklemore &amp; Ryan Lewis cover) - YouTube
10:59 kaeza         yey disk full \o/
11:01 * Calinou     has 147GB left on his home partition
11:01 Calinou       30GB root partition, 1GB swap, the rest is home
11:02 kaeza         120GB for Ubuntu, 200GB for Puppy, the rest for Window$
11:02 kaeza         err... + 2GB swap, that is
11:03 kaeza         500GB disk BTW
11:04 kaeza         I don't even know why I partitioned it that way
11:07 kaeza         my ~/.wine folder was several GBs in size; rm'ed the useless stuff in there (GTA VC/SA, NFS:MW, games that don't even work under Wine :< )
11:08 KikaRz        lol
11:08 KikaRz        poor.
11:08 KikaRz        You have Windows -.-
11:09 KikaRz        liar
11:09 KikaRz        Let's see yesterday's LOGS
11:09 KikaRz        ...
11:09 KikaRz        but you don't have Linux
11:09 KikaRz        you are running Windows
11:09 KikaRz        -.-
11:10 KikaRz        No you don't
11:10 KikaRz        pfft
11:10 KikaRz        Just dual boot -.-
11:11 Calinou       >shitty ubuntu
11:11 Calinou       you're doing it wrong
11:11 KikaRz        what's your alternative name?
11:11 KikaRz        Yea
11:11 Calinou       dual boot is tricky these days due to UEFI and GPT
11:12 KikaRz        You need a DVD to correctly Dual BOOT
11:12 KikaRz        WUBI isn't good.
11:12 KikaRz        WUBI just fucked up my primary partition
11:12 Calinou       wubi isn't supported anymore, and you can use an USB drive just fine
11:12 Jordach       PenguinDad: http://i.imgur.com/KsJP7lR.png
11:12 Calinou       it's like expecting motherboards' automatic overclockings to be god
11:12 Calinou       good*
11:12 Calinou       xubuntu :P
11:13 Jordach       i have finally got decent leg + arm bends
11:13 KikaRz        Jordach, it looks like... a homossexual walking
11:13 Jordach       KikaRz: i was showing off the bends
11:13 KikaRz        only needs more flowers, grass, trees and butterflys
11:13 KikaRz        :P
11:13 sdzen         hmmmm I agree
11:13 sdzen         even though I have no idea what I am agreeing to
11:14 Jordach       john_minetest: haha
11:14 Jordach       my brother (who lives in the house) is pre-ordering a copy
11:14 * Calinou     takes Princess Luna away from sdzen
11:14 sdzen         isnt it already out?
11:15 Jordach       fun fact: that model still works with minetest :P
11:16 * Jordach     is getting better at blender
11:16 KikaRz        Jordach, add some flowers
11:16 KikaRz        trees
11:16 KikaRz        grass
11:16 KikaRz        :P
11:16 Jordach       lol
11:17 * Calinou     is getting bender at blender
11:17 Jordach       bendered*
11:17 * Jordach     is going on a bender in blender
11:17 KikaRz        Calinou, ask Jordach to do you some Blendy classes
11:17 sdzen         Jordach, isnt Melkor good with blender as well?
11:17 Jordach       sdzen: correcto
11:18 sdzen         I thought so
11:18 sdzen         KikiRz if you want lessons I suggest looking on youtube or something for a tutorial
11:18 Jordach       he has his own model for animation, but mine is the easiest to work with as it's fully bone controlled
11:19 sdzen         or just fucking around with it for 5 hours like I did and get rudimentary knowledge
11:19 KikaRz        sdzen, nobody talked to you.
11:20 KikaRz        Jordach, are you Lua coder ?
11:23 Vakadavr      hi all
11:24 Vakadavr      is there anybody who compiled debug version of minetest?
11:24 KikaRz        Naupe
11:24 sdzen         I do on accident constantly
11:24 sdzen         though normally I delete it
11:24 sdzen         need a debug version?
11:25 Vakadavr      I already compiled one, but there is some trouble with passing unit tests
11:26 Vakadavr      TestSocket failed and I have no idea why =\
11:29 BlockMen      hi everyone
11:30 kaeza         Vakadavr, you may have better luck in #minetest-dev
11:30 kaeza         hey BlockMen
11:30 PenguinDad    !seen PilzAdam
11:30 MinetestBot   PenguinDad: pilzadam was last seen at 2013-08-22 02:52:29 UTC on #minetest
11:32 Vakadavr      kaeza, thx i will try
11:32 Vakadavr      kaeza, its one problem: "Cannot send to channel: #minetest-dev" =)
11:33 kaeza         oh... right
11:33 kaeza         webchat is quieted on #-dev
11:34 BlockMen      does someone know how to set param2 with voxelmanip?
11:34 PenguinDad    I didn't even know how to voxelmanipulators
11:35 PenguinDad    s/to/to use/
11:35 kaeza         do you even grammar?
11:35 kaeza         :P
11:35 nore          BlockMen: you can't
11:36 BlockMen      hmm...
11:36 BlockMen      ok, thx
11:37 nore          The thing is, for stuff you usually do with Voxelmanip, there are very few param2 to set
11:37 nore          so you can use schematics, or add_node
11:37 Vakadavr      kaeza, oh, i see
11:40 kaeza         Vakadavr|2, I'd suggest staying around a bit until some dev comes around, or getting a real IRC client ( http://hexchat.org )
11:41 kaeza         ah well, ignore that :P
11:42 Vakadavr|2    kaeza: I did it =)
12:38 sfan5[Mac]    meow
13:02 iqualfragile  hi
13:07 DanDuncombe   Lol Hi guys
13:08 DanDuncombe   Animated .gif of my  castle, day 'n' night. http://gickr.com/results4/anim_45a7368e-f6e1-1fe4-6d22-e9750fb3334e.gif
13:42 sfan5         \N
13:42 kaeza         is that a big newline?
13:48 DanDuncombe   Please help! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106882#p106882
13:48 DanDuncombe   Sokomine, I think it was you who was amazing with formspecs.
13:57 sfan5[Mac]    kaeza: yes :D
13:57 sfan5[Mac]    !title
13:57 MinetestBot   sfan5[Mac]: I am hoping to make a big money mod. (Formspec Help required) (Page 1) — Modding General — Minet[...]
13:57 DanDuncombe   Please?
14:15 kaeza         [11:10:02] <ShadowServer> *** notch joined the game
14:15 kaeza         wat
14:15 kaeza         :D
14:16 PenguinDad    notch is going to copy minetest content into minecraft :D
14:17 DanDuncombe   Please can someone help with my WIP currency Mod?
14:17 kaeza         no
14:18 kaeza         he's going to copy more ideas :>
14:19 kaeza         (see: individual textures)
14:25 DanDuncombe   Can someone help with the formspecs?
14:39 BlockMen      DanDuncombe, whats the problem?
14:40 DanDuncombe   BlockMen: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6998
14:43 BlockMen      ok, i thought u have a specific question
14:44 DanDuncombe   Well, I need help mainly making the Shop formspec.
14:46 DanDuncombe   The advantage over the current money mod is it is far harder for people to tamper with, there aren't files containing the accounts of people, people are directlyresponsible for looking after their money.
14:47 kaeza         ...
14:47 BlockMen      why dont you take a look at other mods that have formspecs?
14:48 DanDuncombe   I find them hard to work out. I was only just capable of making a node a locked chest :P
14:49 kaeza         is there a way to completely disable mud flow?
14:49 NekoGloop     mud flow?
14:50 andersje      I've been trying to pass a string inside a string, and I'm not having a lot of luck
14:50 kaeza         NekoGloop, terrain smooting like at the entrance of caves, etc
14:50 andersje      in perl, I could say:  my $mystring="\"item1\",\"item2\",\"item3\"";
14:50 andersje      but my attempts to stuff that into lua haven't been so successful
14:51 kaeza         andersje, that works in Lua too
14:51 andersje      okay, then I must be doing something else wrong, thanks
14:51 andersje      on maximum debug, will the minetest server spit out the table for every recipe it registers?  if not, is there a way (other than building my own debug statements) to get it to do that?
14:53 PenguinDad    andersje: yes but only in debug.txt
14:54 andersje      PenguinDad: thanks
14:59 andersje      when doing color recipes, should I use group:basecolor_white or dye:white ?  I'm thinking the former.
15:01 DanDuncombe   Do basecolor
15:04 andersje      thx
15:07 DanDuncombe   Basecolor means that group:basecolor_green for instance can be dark and light green. I think it is also generally better and more likely to be compaitble with other mods.
15:09 * andersje    nods
15:25 DanDuncombe   Can someone please help with making the chest formspec?!
15:25 DanDuncombe   *shop not chest
15:25 DanDuncombe   I have looked at the current money mod and couldn't make head or tails of it.
15:29 rubenwardy    Hi all
15:30 PenguinDad    DanDuncombe: That's a tail call "function shop(k) <body> return math.sin(k)"
15:31 DanDuncombe   I am changing my idea so I will start from scratch again
15:31 DanDuncombe   Okay, updated the post: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106882#p106882
15:36 andersje      I'm having issues with a string replace in lua
15:36 andersje      dyelist=string.gsub(dyelist, "\,", "\",\"")
15:36 andersje      oh.  my code is wrong.
15:36 andersje      hold on
15:37 andersje      amazing how you just have to SHOW something to someone to see the elephant in the room
15:41 kaeza         andersje, why not just: local s = "dye1,dye2,dye3"; local t = s:split(",") ?
15:43 andersje      kaeza:  that would work, but my code is a little simple.  you can see it at https://github.com/andersje/stained_glass/blob/master/init.lua
15:44 andersje      basically, I just wanted to pass in "dyelist" as the things that changed in the standard recipe, which worked AWESOME as long as dyelist didn't have more than one entry
15:44 andersje      but, the stained_glass mod defined faint_ (faint dye + two whites) and light_ (faint + two whites) blocks as well
15:45 kaeza         :|
15:45 kaeza         andersje, hold the list of ingredients in a local table, add them as you see them, and finally assign them to the `recipe' field
15:46 andersje      bear in mind, I've been working in lua here for all of about 3 hours total.
15:46 andersje      spread out over several days.
15:46 andersje      v1.5 will clean up code more :)
15:47 andersje      I have a working version of the code, i believe, it's just not checked in yet
15:47 rubenwardy    How do I stop wood facing different directions
15:47 rubenwardy    ?
15:48 DanDuncombe   PilzAdam, are you good at formspecs?
15:48 kaeza         rubenwardy, mods/moreblocks/config.txt
15:48 PilzAdam      Hello everyone!
15:48 DanDuncombe   Hi
15:48 kaeza         err... _config.txt
15:49 kaeza         hey PA
15:49 andersje      good morning, PA
15:50 rubenwardy    Is minetest diagonally lit now?
15:50 rubenwardy    not straight down
15:51 rubenwardy    or is it a lighting bug
15:52 DanDuncombe   Can someone help with the currency mod I'm doing please?
15:52 ShadowNinja   rubenwardy: Bug.
15:52 PilzAdam      rubenwardy, probably a bug
15:52 DanDuncombe   Jordach, are you good at formspecs?
15:52 PilzAdam      DanDuncombe, ask Jordach_ too
15:53 DanDuncombe   !seen Sokomine
15:53 MinetestBot   DanDuncombe: sokomine was last seen at 2013-08-21 20:15:59 UTC on #minetest-de
15:53 DanDuncombe   Jordach_  are you good at formspecs?
15:53 rubenwardy    ok
15:53 kaeza         DanDuncombe, there are lots of users to ask over there ------------------->
15:53 PilzAdam      DanDuncombe, and also ask ChanServ, hes very good at modding
15:53 rubenwardy    I can do formspec :P
15:53 DanDuncombe   rubenwardy, can you help with this? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106882#p106882
15:54 DanDuncombe   It will be like the currency mod that already exists, but with actual money, if you don't bring money with you,you can't buy anything.
15:55 rubenwardy    I can not make a whole mod for you
15:55 DanDuncombe   Admins won't be able to tamper with the money account files, because there will be none
15:55 DanDuncombe   rubenwardy,I just need the shop formspec
15:55 rubenwardy    A formspec is just a string of components
15:55 rubenwardy    make a function like show_shop_formspec()
15:55 DanDuncombe   But I can never work them out.
15:56 DanDuncombe   I am still only starting to learn lua really, all my mods so far have been actually pretty simple.
15:56 rubenwardy    It took me a while to understand it, but it is easy now I know
15:56 rubenwardy    I might make a formspec builder
15:56 rubenwardy    but nah
15:56 kaeza         DanDuncombe, then learn MOAR Lua
15:56 DanDuncombe   Just this one formspec,please???
15:56 kaeza         rubenwardy, take mine :3
15:57 rubenwardy    huh?
15:57 rubenwardy    I meant a function and table to make a formspec
15:57 DanDuncombe   The current money mod's formspec was A) Confusing
15:58 DanDuncombe   B) Designed for accounts held in files, not actual money craftitems
15:58 kaeza         DanDuncombe, see `mint' mod
15:58 rubenwardy    hmmm
15:58 DanDuncombe   Can I have a link?
15:58 kaeza         (or nodex, I can't remember)
15:59 DanDuncombe   nodex seems to be the name
15:59 DanDuncombe   It doesn't exist any more though
16:00 DanDuncombe   Isn't there a vending machine mod?
16:01 kaeza         yep
16:01 DanDuncombe   I will look at veending machines mod I think
16:01 ShadowNinja   Wow, look at all those FPMs. :-/
16:01 * Jordach     is rather pissed off
16:01 Jordach       http://i.imgur.com/7MGji3X.png
16:01 rubenwardy    thats cool
16:01 rubenwardy    I got A in maths#
16:01 rubenwardy    A* in physics
16:01 rubenwardy    :P
16:03 DanDuncombe   Bah. Are there any mods that DON'T Use a 'Virtual' account, instead on craftitem money?
16:04 Jordach       DanDuncombe: use gold ingots
16:04 jin_xi        tetris has real coins
16:04 DanDuncombe   I am Using Minegelds
16:04 DanDuncombe   Because it must be uncraftable
16:04 DanDuncombe   After all, you can sell your items for more money
16:04 Jordach       where does the initial resource come from
16:04 Jordach       gold is limited
16:05 Jordach       minegelds are not
16:05 DanDuncombe   You are given 500 Minegelds when you first join a game
16:05 PenguinDad    magiiiic!
16:05 DanDuncombe   Automatically
16:05 DanDuncombe   Minegelds are limited if the admins don't use  /giveme too much.
16:06 Evergreen     Wait, tetris?   What is this about tetris?
16:06 jin_xi        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=3698 arcade mod
16:07 Evergreen     Looks great!   Does it work with the latest minetest version?
16:07 ShadowNinja   DanDuncombe: Make a few dummy accounts, transfer their money to your main account.
16:07 DanDuncombe   ShadowNinja: What?
16:08 jin_xi        idk if it still works
16:08 Evergreen     I think I saw someone make a mod spotlight on it
16:08 Evergreen     If it doesn't, you should try to get it to work
16:08 Jordach       now this is why i prefer gold ingots, because they aren't granted to everyone, they have to be mined as well as smelted
16:08 Evergreen     You have some great mods, paint canvas, and a tetris machine
16:08 jin_xi        yes much to my surprise... it seems i only make half assed mods :P
16:09 ShadowNinja   DanDuncombe: Connect to the server as Guest##### and dump your money on the ground a afew times. Then join the server with your main account and pick up all the money.
16:09 DanDuncombe   True
16:09 Evergreen     I'll have to go test your mods and see if they still work
16:09 Jordach       jin_xi: make a 8x8 formspec projector: nodes inside the grid will be placed in the world
16:09 jin_xi        they both need some work, but i just made this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6997
16:10 jin_xi        will fix painting next, and then see about arcade
16:10 jin_xi        so much to do, so much confusion :(
16:10 Jordach       Evergreen: feel free to make a new skin
16:10 Jordach       and: dont add shading. that's my talent :D
16:10 DanDuncombe   Jordach: Maybe make it so admins make shops to exchange gold for money maybe?
16:10 PenguinDad    Evergreen: you mean Sheep with Hat
16:11 Jordach       DanDuncombe: just use raw gold ingots
16:11 DanDuncombe   But it is meant to be currency
16:11 Jordach       if say 99 cobble = 1 gold ingot, the seller gets the gold, the buyer gets the cobble
16:12 DanDuncombe   *Sigh* I want it to be a form of Money, and I like my idea.
16:12 Jordach       dont create items / nodes that aren't needed
16:12 DanDuncombe   I won't include the automatic new-player thing
16:12 DanDuncombe   Money will be craftable
16:12 DanDuncombe   But not cheap
16:14 Jordach       better.
16:33 thexyz        conclusion: according to Jordach money aren't needed
16:33 Jordach       gold is a monetised commodity
16:33 Jordach       (not to mention gold ingots do need a usage)
16:33 sapier        hmm based uppon jordachs decision plz give all your money to me I'm gonna deposit the waste
16:38 andersje      I'm kinda with jordach on this one
16:38 andersje      minetest has finite resources
16:38 andersje      why implement a fiat economy?
16:38 Evergreen     Jordach: I will make a tree skin for me (also for you to use for your animations)
16:38 andersje      we only use paper money and such because we needed to decouple currency from a scare resource
16:38 Jordach       Evergreen: keep the eyes in the same place as Sam II
16:38 sfan5         <quote>The bad form is "THEGAYBOOK69"</quote from="https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106868#p106868">
16:39 Evergreen     Don't have time atm, but I will get to it soon
16:39 Evergreen     k
16:39 Jordach       (if not, eyes are closed)
16:39 Evergreen     Yes, I remember
16:39 * Evergreen   is away
16:44 thexyz        sfan5: insult; banned
16:44 sfan5         good
16:44 Jordach       LOL
16:44 Jordach       lol*
16:44 sfan5         was just about to ask wheter to do anything about that
16:44 sfan5         !ignore KikaRz
16:44 MinetestBot   sfan5: 'KikaRz' added to ignore list.
16:44 sfan5         I guess its time for that too
16:44 sfan5         s/its/it's/
16:44 andersje      what the heck kind of nick was that guy using, anyway?
16:45 Jordach       sfan5: what are my privs for MinetestBot (pm them)
16:45 sfan5         !help
16:45 MinetestBot   https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
16:45 sfan5         ^ All things with Admin in the last column
16:46 Jordach       got it
16:47 thexyz        that was a joke ><
16:49 PenguinDad    i know
16:50 sfan5         :D
16:56 ShadowNinja   sfan5: "Currently supports: id.gd, v.gd" You mean is.gd?
16:56 sfan5         yes
16:57 sfan5         fixed
17:01 Evergreen     Do transparent textures work with skins?   Just wondering
17:01 Evergreen     Meaning transparent all the way through
17:02 Jordach       Evergreen: hat layer yes
17:02 Evergreen     Okay then, nvm
17:02 Jordach       Evergreen: branching out now?
17:03 Evergreen     Working on the skin
17:03 DanDuncombe   Is Sokomine actually there?
17:04 Sokomine      no
17:04 DanDuncombe   A
17:04 DanDuncombe   Apparently,Sokomine,you are great with formspecs. True?
17:05 Sokomine      i've already promised you to help you with them irrc :-) it's just that the colormachine and then the villages got inbetween
17:05 DanDuncombe   Could you help with this, instead of the old thing please? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6998
17:08 DanDuncombe   Anyone else here good with formspecs?
17:08 ShadowNinja   DanDuncombe: They aren't that complicated, see lua_api.txt and other mods.
17:09 DanDuncombe   But other mods all seem to use 'virtual' accounts
17:09 DanDuncombe   And I have no idea how to remove items from slots but give messages under various instances etc
17:10 ShadowNinja   on_metadata_inventory_move etc.
17:22 DanDuncombe   How do I make a metadata inventory have an item in it automatically, like creative?
17:23 nore          try on_construct
17:23 nore          it is a node, right?
17:24 DanDuncombe   Yes, I already have the inventory, but how do I make it permanently have one item in it like the creative inventory?
17:25 DanDuncombe   I think I've worked it out now...
17:32 DanDuncombe   Fuck. I give up on that...
17:42 DanDuncombe   Is anyone going to help with the mod?!
17:42 DanDuncombe   Or aren't they?
17:46 Evergreen     Jordach:  Here is my skin: http://i41.tinypic.com/2mgv951.png
17:47 * Evergreen   is away
17:47 PilzAdam      lol, the "raw" link is http://oi41.tinypic.com/2mgv951.jpg
17:47 PilzAdam      _.jpg_
17:48 kaeza         mgv9 confirmed!
17:49 Evergreen     Jordach: You can also find it on addi's minetest skin databse
17:50 PenguinDad    plol
17:50 DanDuncombe   Jordach are there any money mods out there that use 'physical' currency?
17:55 nore          !seen jeija
17:55 MinetestBot   nore: Sorry, I haven't seen jeija around.
18:12 thexyz        https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6999
18:12 DanDuncombe   Id 6999...
18:19 andersje      almost everytime i follow a forum link, it says "bad request"
18:19 andersje      ah, had to log in
18:22 Evergreen     You there Jordach?
18:23 BlockMen      bye everyone
18:24 thexyz        Ubuntu Phail
18:35 andersje      I've wondered about the mapsize of 2^16 blocks in each direction.  Has anyone tinkered with moving that to 2^24 ?
18:37 meldrian_fail Jordach, can you please send me the links again for your pictures? forum and HP
18:38 PilzAdam      https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6114 http://mg.viewskew.com/u/jordach/
18:38 meldrian_fail thx
18:56 ShadowNinja   andersje: We have thought of changing it to a 32 bit signed integer, but that would require changing a LOT of code.
18:57 andersje      ShadowNinja: thx.  I was asking because I saw a forum post from march saying "minetest can do 40M blocks" or somesuch, in each direction
18:57 andersje      and I thought...well, nether is a bit of a start towards multiple realms
18:57 * andersje    has about ten minutes of experience with minecraft, thanks to his youngest son.
18:58 andersje      anyway, my thought to much larger sizes was to accomodate multiple realms, though to be honest, a 2k block separation between realms seems to be plenty
19:10 andersje      are trapdoors in the basegame now?  or still in the doors mod?  I can't find doors mod on github
19:11 DanDuncombe   They are not in base game but are quite easy to make
19:11 andersje      yeah, blockmen appears to be hosting it from dropbox.
19:11 * andersje    copies the folder over an archive
19:37 whodeadeyes   Sup?
19:37 Calinou       hi
19:37 whodeadeyes   ?
19:37 Calinou       nothing
19:37 PenguinDad    !?
19:38 Calinou       !?!
19:38 PilzAdam      ¿¡¿
19:38 kahrl         Inf
19:38 whodeadeyes   Firefox
19:39 whodeadeyes   If you're trying to find my client it is firefox.
19:39 whodeadeyes   -.-
19:39 Calinou       it is not a client
19:39 andersje      !seen stujones
19:39 MinetestBot   andersje: Sorry, I haven't seen stujones around.
19:40 Calinou       whodeadeyes: what's bad in finding which client someone uses anyway? :P
19:40 whodeadeyes   Then?
19:40 whodeadeyes   Identity?
19:41 DanDuncombe   FINALLY! A MOD THAT DOESN'T use virtual money accounts.
19:42 Calinou       whodeadeyes: no?
19:42 whodeadeyes   So... The ubuntu edge failed
19:42 whodeadeyes   (Topic change)
19:42 Calinou       we can only get your OS and client
19:42 Calinou       and time
19:42 Calinou       whodeadeyes: yes, it was expected
19:42 Calinou       too many canonical haters
19:42 whodeadeyes   Windows XP SP3, Firefox 23, 1:12 AM
19:42 whodeadeyes   Nah
19:42 whodeadeyes   Too few canonical lovers
19:42 whodeadeyes   =P
19:42 Calinou       no, haters
19:43 Calinou       oh
19:43 hoodedice     *Ta Da*
19:43 Calinou       gotta hate fakenames ;-;
19:43 * Calinou     stabs hoodedice with spylactite
19:43 hoodedice     *IT RHYMED*
19:44 hoodedice     I'm not affected
19:44 hoodedice     I wanted a Jolla anyway
19:46 hoodedice     *Silence*
19:46 Calinou       *fedora-like silence*
19:48 hoodedice     *Hurd like silence*
19:48 Calinou       hurd doesn't support audio
19:49 hoodedice     But the pun
19:49 hoodedice     hurd like silence lol
19:52 andersje      when a mod has a "modpack.txt" file in the master directory, the name of that actual directory is no longer important...is that correct?
19:52 DanDuncombe   Yes
19:53 DanDuncombe   Finally begun the currency mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106971#p106971
19:53 Calinou       name the currency "DanDuncoins"
19:53 DanDuncombe   Minegelds they are called
19:54 DanDuncombe   They were originally Dockets but I changed it
19:56 PenguinDad    !sfu *ninja*
19:56 MinetestBot   PenguinDad: Too many matches: 11
19:56 Calinou       !sfu *e*
19:56 MinetestBot   Calinou: Too many matches: 50
19:56 Calinou       that sounds like a limit
19:57 DanDuncombe   Can someone make an economy-based server with my currency mod? To test it and see if the concept of physical money works...
19:57 PenguinDad    !sfu *ninja*x
19:57 MinetestBot   <Z>NinjaxXx New member 0 posts, registered on 2013-05-04 | id: 5447
19:57 MinetestBot   shadowninjax New member 6 posts, registered on 2012-12-02 | id: 3727
19:57 MinetestBot   xxiceninjaxx New member 1 posts, registered on 2012-11-13 | id: 3520
19:58 DanDuncombe   Is any forum admin on here right now?
19:59 DanDuncombe   If so, can https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7002 go to mod releases please?
19:59 PenguinDad    sfan5: ^
20:01 DanDuncombe   sfan5?
20:01 DanDuncombe   sfan5... Come now!
20:02 * Calinou     is coming
20:02 PilzAdam      dependencies issing
20:02 andersje      DanDuncombe: how is a physical-based economy any different than, say, gold bricks?
20:03 DanDuncombe   Erm... It is not virtual money in a file somewhere...
20:03 DanDuncombe   Plus, I am just about to include a basic guide to costs of stuff in a spoiler
20:04 andersje      so you added a new craftitem called "money" ?
20:04 andersje      I'm not trying to be difficult...I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the difference
20:05 DanDuncombe   Called Minegeld
20:05 DanDuncombe   And I am going to add basic income etc
20:05 andersje      okay, so it's an item called minegeld, that is crafted from something.
20:05 * VanessaE    peeks in and throws a mese coin at DanDuncombe  :D
20:05 andersje      oh, you're going to implement interest?  or a type of player salary?
20:05 DanDuncombe   Salary
20:05 andersje      okay.
20:05 DanDuncombe   Say, 20 Minegeld per day online or something
20:05 VanessaE      hi al
20:05 VanessaE      all
20:05 DanDuncombe   Hi VanessaE
20:05 andersje      welfare, then?  You get it just for being there, eh? 8P
20:06 andersje      hola, VanessaE
20:06 PenguinDad    hi VanessaE
20:06 DanDuncombe   My idea is if you are actually online, once a day you get, say 20 Minegeld
20:06 DanDuncombe   However, you can build big malls where you go around with a stack of money and buy stuff
20:06 * andersje    has pictures of chinese cybercafes full of minegeld-farmers
20:06 * Sokomine    inspects the mese coin
20:07 DanDuncombe   And you can make shops to sell stuff for money
20:07 DanDuncombe   I could always rename them back to Dockets or Roundels if you like
20:07 Sokomine      those are terms specific to one country iirc?
20:08 DanDuncombe   IDK
20:08 DanDuncombe   They sound good and I got those two names from fantasy books :)
20:08 DanDuncombe   I thought Minegelds was suitable
20:09 VanessaE      Minegeld makes sense
20:09 VanessaE      for an in-game currency, we should have our own name like that
20:09 DanDuncombe   Should it be craftable? Normal citizens can't make real money in real life.
20:09 VanessaE      definitely don't borrow from those fantasy books, you might actually run into a trademark dispute
20:09 Calinou       lol
20:10 DanDuncombe   I will stick with Minegelds then:p
20:10 VanessaE      sure, from some really exotic and rare mixture
20:10 Calinou       minegelds sounds ok
20:10 VanessaE      not gelds,
20:10 Sokomine      geld will be a suitable name for a currency at least for us german players. "geld" means "money"
20:10 VanessaE      geld*
20:10 VanessaE      geld is self-plural
20:10 VanessaE      so minegeld coins/credits/pieces etc
20:10 DanDuncombe   Should I attempt basic income?
20:10 andersje      Danegeld would be a term free of copyright
20:11 VanessaE      well, call it Social Security ;)
20:11 andersje      since all the Vikings who demanded it are long dead
20:11 Calinou       a more free term would be debian-gold
20:11 andersje      and they didn't get on with trademark much, anyway.
20:11 andersje      Minegeld should be good.
20:12 hoodedice     ...
20:12 VanessaE      (since a basic income should depend on some kind of activity, merely being online shouldn't count)
20:13 VanessaE      (so it needs to be a form of welfare.  Social Security is what we call that here, when it's based on your past work history)
20:13 Calinou       being online would turn Minetest into TF2 :P
20:14 VanessaE      heh
20:14 hoodedice     DanDucombe
20:14 hoodedice     *High five*
20:14 Jordach       Evergreen: strage: that jpg file reads as PNG
20:14 Calinou       but without hats
20:15 Evergreen     Odd
20:15 hoodedice     Move THIS
20:15 hoodedice     https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6053
20:15 hoodedice     To offtopic
20:15 hoodedice     Please
20:15 ShadowNinja   This will clear all nick bans and quiets. Anything else that sticks out to you VanessaE? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6015340/
20:16 VanessaE      ShadowNinja: I can wipe the entire list with one command here if you want
20:16 VanessaE      except let's keep, say, everything from August.
20:16 Jordach       http://i.imgur.com/Rlnv79m.png
20:16 Jordach       ^^^^
20:17 Jordach       see?
20:17 VanessaE      Jordach: a wooden golem?
20:17 * Jordach     thinks tinypic converts file type to JPG, but not file DATA
20:17 ShadowNinja   Very well, with the exclusion of the proxies you mentioned and anything else you think is important.
20:17 VanessaE      ShadowNinja: oh right
20:17 VanessaE      in that case, do yours.
20:17 Jordach       VanessaE: that's Evergreen's skin
20:17 Jordach       Evergreen: i'm not even going to shade this
20:17 ShadowNinja   ~op
20:18 Jordach       hax
20:18 PilzAdam      ShadowNinja, ummm...
20:18 VanessaE      well that cleared a few
20:18 PilzAdam      why did you do this?
20:18 Evergreen     Look on the last page of that minetest skin database, the actual file is there
20:18 DanDuncombe   Is VanessaE online?
20:18 ShadowNinja   PilzAdam: They are nick bans, which aren't even effective.
20:18 hoodedice     no
20:18 PilzAdam      DanDuncombe, no
20:19 VanessaE      DanDuncombe: *poke*
20:19 hoodedice     =)
20:19 Jordach       Evergreen: the file appears as jpg, but the data itself is actually png
20:19 Evergreen     Jordach: My skin is on the last page of addi's open source minetest skin database
20:19 Jordach       Evergreen: it works fine btw
20:19 ShadowNinja   Many more can probably be cleared. I wish we had ban comments.
20:19 DanDuncombe   VanessaE, can you please move my currency mod to Mod Releases, presuming I haven't forgotten anything?
20:19 Evergreen     Okay, nvm then
20:19 VanessaE      DanDuncombe: link?
20:19 Jordach       (it's just the file container changed from .png to .jpg)
20:19 Calinou       * ShadowNinja active le mode -q #minetest lamefun*!*@*
20:19 Calinou       * ShadowNinja active le mode -q #minetest lostcrack!*@*
20:19 Calinou       * ShadowNinja active le mode -q #minetest hopejoy!*@*
20:19 Calinou       lol'd
20:20 DanDuncombe   Mine-Geld ---------  They have no recipe. A good starting amount is about 250Mg on a server  Lump Conversion  Coal Lump ~1Mg Iron Lump ~4Mg Copper Lump ~4Mg Gold Lump ~5Mg Mese Crystal ~40Mg Diamond ~50Mg  Ingot Conversion  Steel Ingot ~5Mg Copper Ingot ~5Mg Gold Ingot ~6Mg  Block Conversion  Coal Block ~9Mg Steel Block ~45Mg Copper Block ~45Mg Gold Block ~54Mg Mese Block ~360Mg Diamond Block ~450Mg
20:20 DanDuncombe   Woops
20:20 DanDuncombe   https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7002
20:20 ShadowNinja   Calinou: I set four modes at a time, fix your client.
20:20 Calinou       heh
20:20 VanessaE      ShadowNinja: actually, I only got 3
20:20 DanDuncombe   !title
20:20 MinetestBot   DanDuncombe: [Mod] Currency and Economy [0.1] [currency] (Page 1) — Modding General — Minetest Forums
20:20 VanessaE      there may be a limit to how many you can set in one go
20:20 DanDuncombe   Yay correct link
20:21 ShadowNinja   VanessaE: Yes, four at a time.
20:21 sfan5         DanDuncombe: you can also use !title <link>
20:21 DanDuncombe   !title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7002
20:21 MinetestBot   DanDuncombe: [Mod] Currency and Economy [0.1] [currency] (Page 1) — Modding General — Minetest Forums
20:21 hoodedice     PilzAdam
20:21 DanDuncombe   True sfan5, true
20:21 ShadowNinja   It worked, your client is just messed up VanessaE.
20:21 hoodedice     *Meanwhile long ago in a place called Germany*
20:21 hoodedice     http://www.edibleapple.com/2011/06/04/vandals-plaster-windows-logo-on-upcoming-apple-store-in-hamburg-germany/
20:21 VanessaE      DanDuncombe: moved.
20:22 DanDuncombe   Thanks VanessaE, what are your thoughts about it?
20:22 sfan5         DanDuncombe: do you expect the creator of MinetestBot to not know how it works?
20:22 VanessaE      ShadowNinja: there's a big surprise...not.  xchat is practically a dead project it seems likle
20:22 VanessaE      like*
20:22 sfan5         hoodedice: why didn't they put linux penguins(aka Tux) on there? ;)
20:22 Jordach       ShadowNinja, Calinou: http://paste.viewskew.com/index.php/view/7312725
20:22 DanDuncombe   sfan5, I never doubted it really,
20:22 hoodedice     VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6053
20:22 hoodedice     Moveto Offtopic
20:22 VanessaE      hoodedice: already moved.
20:22 hoodedice     sorry then
20:22 Calinou       sfan5: they should have put MLP stickers, better.
20:22 * Calinou     runs
20:23 hoodedice     Didn't notice
20:24 DanDuncombe   Are there any servers that could do with an economy, but haven't got any money mods yet?
20:24 DanDuncombe   hint hint
20:25 ShadowNinja   I propose a plugin for one of the bots to manage bans, you can pass it a reason and expiration. eir also does something like that.
20:26 andersje      what's eir?
20:27 ShadowNinja   andersje: A bot, see #freenode. Staff uses it to manage bans and quiets.
20:32 andersje      ah, okay.
20:32 andersje      thx
20:34 Jordach       Evergreen: i made the knees on my model even better.
20:34 Evergreen     :D
20:34 Jordach       (they have the same smooth curve seen on the elbows)
20:34 Jordach       now. let's make your skin, shall we?
20:37 DanDuncombe   Who thinks I should include my Currency mod in World In A Jar map, and have some buy and sell shop somewhere, with the shops owned by 'The Master'
20:41 Jordach       Evergreen: prototype render: http://i.imgur.com/5feKFWN.png
20:41 Evergreen     Lol, do I look awesome or what?   :P
20:41 Jordach       yup
20:42 PenguinDad    the shops should be owned by some klingonic emperor :P
20:42 Jordach       i haven't even applied the skin shader i use (look closely at some of my skins)
20:42 Evergreen     Tat is basically the closest I could come to a tree with the skin
20:42 Evergreen     *That
20:42 Jordach       that's actually the best bit of skinning gold i've seen for some time
20:43 hoodedice     Jordach
20:43 hoodedice     Skin requests
20:43 Jordach       fun fact: eyebrows are based from the hair of the skin, in this case, it's the bark
20:43 Jordach       ugh.
20:43 hoodedice     http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130419193552/toonami/images/a/af/Megas.jpg
20:44 hoodedice     http://images.bf-games.net/bf2/kits/anti_tank_mec_full.jpg
20:44 Jordach       bf2: easy
20:44 Jordach       the mech? FUUUUU---
20:45 Calinou       TF2: easier
20:46 Jordach       Evergreen: thanks for the most complicated hat layer ever
20:46 Evergreen     Your welcome!   ; )
20:46 Evergreen     *micheavous grin*
20:46 Jordach       i've fixed 1/6th already
20:47 andersje      is the minetest server capable of logging the IP from which a user connects?  does that get logged anywhere?
20:47 hoodedice     You call that a mech
20:47 hoodedice     ?
20:47 hoodedice     Boy you have no childhood
20:47 hoodedice     =P
20:48 hoodedice     It's a giant robot with a car's head
20:48 hoodedice     or car as head
20:48 hoodedice     (Later anyway)
20:49 hoodedice     (Just for the oomph )
20:49 hoodedice     https://www.google.com/search?q=minecraft+megas+xlr&newwindow=1&safe=active&client=firefox-a&hs=QLd&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&channel=fflb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=XHkWUpT5IMWsrAev5IDYCA&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=905
20:50 hoodedice     Enjoy
20:51 PenguinDad    hoodedice: you killed
20:51 hoodedice     Indeed
20:51 PenguinDad    +Jordach
20:51 hoodedice     Now for the suicide
20:55 andersje      will mgv7 make it into 0.4.8 ?
20:55 Calinou       probably not
20:55 andersje      darn.  it looks GORGEOUS
20:55 Calinou       it's already there, but you need to define biomes
20:55 Calinou       it's overrated ;-;
20:55 andersje      oh, okay.
20:55 * andersje    needs to learn how to adjust mgv6 to get mountains.
20:56 Calinou       use "indev" mapgen and get near the map border
20:56 Calinou       indev is mgv6 with float islands and big hills near map border
20:56 Calinou       too bad it isn't default :(
20:56 andersje      oh!
20:56 andersje      can I switch the engine on an existing world?
20:56 Calinou       no, you need to create a new
20:56 andersje      oh, darn.
20:57 andersje      what happens when you try to switch engine?  does it corrupt the sqlite file?  or do you get weird joints between regions?
20:57 Calinou       weird joints
20:58 andersje      well that might be kinda cool, actually.
20:58 * andersje    will tinker with it later
21:01 andersje      Calinou: by map border, you need the limits, right?  e.g. ~31000 blocks in a given direction?
21:01 Calinou       30911
21:02 andersje      gotcha.
21:04 PenguinDad    but at this point are rendering glitches
21:04 andersje      ?
21:04 Calinou       floating-point precision errors
21:04 andersje      oh, that's why there are tall hills at the borders?
21:05 andersje      I created a world with mg_name = indev , and set mg_indev_float_islands = 500 in minetest.conf -- but no matter how much we fly around, we can't find any float islands...
21:06 Calinou       no, it's not why, they are intended
21:06 Calinou       andersje: they can be very high in the world
21:06 andersje      oh, okay, thanks.  we'll keep flying around
21:11 proller       from 500 started very small and rare islands
21:13 proller       you can adjust it via mgindev_np_float_islands1 mgindev_np_float_islands2 mgindev_np_float_islands3
21:20 ExcaliburZero I'm currently trying to run Minetest, but when I click play it starts to load, but then gives an error. "A serialization error occurred: Player::deSerialize(): PlayerArgsEnd not found The server is probably running a different version of Minetest."
21:20 PilzAdam      ExcaliburZero, look in the world directory in the players/ folder, there is one or more files corrupted
21:20 ExcaliburZero I know I'm not running another window of Minetest, since I haven't used it since I turn my computer on.
21:20 PilzAdam      probably empty
21:21 ExcaliburZero Yep. There is an empty file there.
21:21 PilzAdam      delete it or restore it from an backup
21:22 PilzAdam      the affected player will lose his inventory and position if you delete it, though
21:22 ExcaliburZero I don't have a backup, so where can I find where the player's position was before it was deleted?
21:23 PilzAdam      there is no way
21:23 PilzAdam      maybe you could find a hint in debug.txt where the player placed nodes
21:23 ExcaliburZero Ok, I'll check there.
21:23 proller       delete 0-size files
21:25 VanessaE      some effort needs to be made to find out why these player files keep getting blanked, though
21:26 PilzAdam      VanessaE, this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/d718b0b34eda84744778fa12a01d5be5f03753d3 and the other commit by me that makes Minetest not write all player files all the time should fix it in most cases
21:26 andersje      I ran into that error last night on a local copy of minetest...because I had the player file open in vim when I tried to start MT
21:26 ExcaliburZero Wait... I spawned where all of my buildings are, so I'm fine. Thanks for the help!
21:28 proller       PilzAdam, i have one lost of all files with this commit
21:28 PilzAdam      proller, do you have a broken filesystem?
21:29 PenguinDad    What does this mean? 23:28:04: ERROR[ServerThread]: suspiciously large amount of objects detected: 288 in (1933,1914,1933); removing all of them.
21:29 VanessaE      PilzAdam: oh ok, guess his build is older then
21:30 proller       PilzAdam, maybe fixed after reboot, but only these files was lost
21:30 PilzAdam      VanessaE, you can tell that its 0.4.7 or something old-ish because it doesnt say which player file is corrupted
21:30 VanessaE      right
21:30 VanessaE      I didn't read the details :P
21:30 PilzAdam      (that was fixed by me too, btw ;-))
21:31 Sokomine      how local is local in lua? is it valid for the entire function, or is it local to e.g. a particular if-condition/loop?
21:31 VanessaE      valid from that point down/inward.
21:32 VanessaE      function foo() local bar=1 end  <-- bar is 1 only inside foo()
21:32 PilzAdam      Sokomine, its valid until the next end in the lower indentation
21:32 VanessaE      else it is nil or whatever
21:32 PilzAdam      *end or else
21:33 Sokomine      ok. so at the end of the if-then-else construct, a local variable defined within the if-then-else will be gone again
21:33 VanessaE      function foo() ; local bar = 1; if blah then local baz=1; end; print(bar); print(baz); end
21:33 VanessaE      bar = 1, baz = nil
21:33 VanessaE      (because baz was local to the if/end clause)
21:33 Sokomine      yes, that ought to be safe anyway because you defined the local var outside the condition
21:34 PilzAdam      Sokomine, if its declared in the if block, then its not valid in the else block anymore
21:34 Sokomine      in this case it was defined *inside* the if condition (in both loops). what i expect there is that it will be undefined/not set after the end of if-then-else
21:35 PilzAdam      umm... how do you define a variable inside a condition?
21:35 VanessaE      so what I do is stuff like:  local bar=nil; function foo(); if blah then bar=1; end; print(bar); end    <-- will print '1' if blah was true.
21:36 Sokomine      well, it was a case of if( bla ) then local foo = 1; else local foo = 0; end
21:36 PilzAdam      ah, thats not the if-condition but the if-block
21:36 Sokomine      er, yes, sorry
21:36 PilzAdam      the condition in this case is (bla)
21:37 Sokomine      defining a new variable inside the condition would be untidy. i'm not even sure if lua supports it
21:37 Sokomine      how's it called?
21:37 Sokomine      if it's really stone-old, it may not be an improvement
21:37 PilzAdam      john_minetest, I wonder if it supports electrons... did they have it at that time?
21:38 PilzAdam      *them
21:46 PilzAdam      https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7003
21:47 VanessaE      wtf? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106985#p106985
21:47 PilzAdam      whoever gives a full answer to that gets a virtual cookie from me
21:49 PenguinDad    lol Sorry about the spelling. Use google translator.
21:49 * VanessaE    looks around the spawn of her server...everything seems to be in order here?
21:51 PenguinDad    Es tobt der Hampa vor meinem Fenster.
21:52 PenguinDad    :D
22:10 Miner_48er    has anyone built a mesecon calculator?
22:13 PilzAdam      https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7004 <- http://nooooooooooooooo.com/
22:13 VanessaE      yeah, said calculator is off to the east of the spawn
22:13 VanessaE      not sure who built it or if it works properly though
22:14 VanessaE      I made an 8+8=9 bit adder once, but Nore pretty much beat out everyone with the stuff he made
22:15 Miner_48er    what has he built?
22:17 MinetestBot   john_minetest: Sorry, I haven't seen zeg9 around.
22:18 VanessaE      Miner_48er: all kinds of stuff
22:31 andersje      VanessaE: I should have stained_glass ready for you to pull later tonight.
22:31 andersje      I got the base recipes working last night, light_ and faint_ are due to be tested.
22:31 VanessaE      ah, there he is now :)
22:32 VanessaE      coolies
22:34 VanessaE      sounds like it really got busted pretty thoroughly
22:40 andersje      when you were madly clicking through all the choices under "games"
22:40 andersje      just think how bad it will be when Steam has their whole catalog ported to Linux...
22:40 andersje      VanessaE: well, I gutted it good, and took a different approach.  the neat loop that was being used to make the blocks went out the window.
22:41 VanessaE      ah ok
22:41 andersje      that look was great when you could build the color names like h.b.s
22:41 andersje      but, when you have to alter the name based on other data...
22:41 andersje      e.g., the old approach is great when everything is prefaced by unifieddyes:
22:41 andersje      but when it's sometimes group:basecolor_
22:41 VanessaE      right
22:41 andersje      and sometimes group:unicolor_ ...
22:42 andersje      and then you've got basecolor_green and unicolor_green_s50
22:42 andersje      oy.
22:42 VanessaE      I can see where that would make...a mess of things.
22:42 VanessaE      I'll see your oy and raise you a gevalt.
22:42 andersje      yeah, so I've come up with a bit of a kludge, but the recipes are only defined in a _single_ place
22:42 andersje      so...
22:42 andersje      232 lines for 108 distinct blocks + recipes
22:43 VanessaE      nice and compact
22:43 andersje      I try.
22:44 andersje      plus it should be easier for someone to hack it up, and say "I want group:basecolor_white to be mobf:feather" or whatever, for the light_ and faint_ blocks
22:45 VanessaE      interesting choice for an example color source :)
22:45 andersje      ha.  I had one in my inventory after killing a chicken last night
22:45 andersje      so it's on my mine
22:45 andersje      err, mind
22:46 VanessaE      heh
22:46 VanessaE      you got mines on your mind too :P
22:47 andersje      indeed
22:47 andersje      yesterday, I had my ten year old testing recipes for me, while I hacked up code over an ssh session.  but today he's been playing with the neighborhood kids or something, so no word on whether my changes worked...
22:48 VanessaE      simple solution to that:  he gets extra dessert tonight when he finishes testing :D
22:49 andersje      heh, yeah.
22:49 VanessaE      and an extra hour past bedtime for every major bug he finds :D :D
22:49 andersje      have you seen my code?  he'd never have to go to bed!
22:49 VanessaE      lol
22:49 VanessaE      ok, strike that last one
22:49 VanessaE      :)
22:50 andersje      :)
22:50 andersje      say, I'm curious, as I look at the stained_glass code...
22:50 VanessaE      uh oh....
22:51 andersje      I see a line about "light_source = 14" -- does that set the generic brightness?
22:51 VanessaE      I didn't do it, I swear! :)
22:51 VanessaE      oh, yes
22:51 andersje      !!
22:51 VanessaE      14 is the max you can set for a node
22:51 andersje      darn.
22:51 andersje      I wanted blinding blocks
22:51 andersje      but, I see possibilities for gentle-glow bricks in the future here.
22:51 VanessaE      most folks write this as LIGHT_MAX - 1
22:52 VanessaE      (in case LIGHT_MAX ever gets redefined)
22:52 andersje      clever.
22:52 VanessaE      or rather, not -1
22:52 andersje      and that's just a drop-in?  replace light_source=14 with light_source = LIGHT_MAX  ?
22:52 VanessaE      just LIGHT_MAX.  -2 or -3 would give you a gentle glow.  around -4 migth be like an old tube TV
22:52 * andersje    wonders if that'll bug people if that ever gets changed.
22:52 VanessaE      yep pretty much
22:53 andersje      nice.
22:53 VanessaE      OldCoder: your kitten pile is overflowing again
22:53 andersje      okay, that'll be some more recipes in here then...
22:53 andersje      but values range from 0 .. 14 ?
22:53 VanessaE      light_source = LIGHT_MAX is fine
22:53 VanessaE      yeah
22:53 VanessaE      15 is the real maximum but you can't set that.
22:53 andersje      so 0-10 must be _really_ subtle.
22:53 OldCoder      VanessaE, Almost dealt with it the other day
22:53 VanessaE      that's broad daylight
22:53 OldCoder      It was throw a cat at NekoGloop day
22:53 * andersje    nods
22:54 OldCoder      But it changed to ponies before I could act
22:54 VanessaE      heh
22:55 OldCoder      What is the conclusion?
22:57 VanessaE      night
23:04 NekoGloop     meow
23:05 VanessaE      meow.
23:25 * Sokomine    puts some cat food on the channel
23:26 Sokomine      careful! if you change the texture- or nodenames, that may make it harder for the colormachine
23:27 Sokomine      those colored glasses where a pain in the ass when doing the code for the machine
23:48 andersje      on a windows box, where is the default location of debug.txt?
23:50 Evergreen     I just checked the forums, and it appears that Likwid and his army of commas is back
23:50 Evergreen     I am sure they are going to destroy us all this time.  D:
23:50 Evergreen     x)
23:51 andersje      does this look kosher to you guys?
23:51 andersje      registering craft definition: (shapeless, outp
23:51 andersje      ut="stained_glass:faint_orange 3", recipe={ "group:basecolor_white","group:basecolor_w
23:51 andersje      hite","group:unicolor_light_orange","moreblocks:super_glow_glass","moreblocks:super_gl
23:51 andersje      ow_glass","moreblocks:super_glow_glass" }, replacements={})
23:51 andersje      oops, sorry
23:51 andersje      sorry
23:51 andersje      http://pastebin.com/ju62X5Xs
23:52 andersje      shouldn't that be properly registered?
23:53 VanessaE      seems right to me
23:54 andersje      yeah.  it's beating me up.
23:54 andersje      not working :/
23:54 andersje      http://pastebin.com/gFpj6LfD
23:55 andersje      there's a working one on top, and a non-working one on the bottom.
23:55 VanessaE      maybe I got the group thingy wrong
23:55 andersje      dangedest thing
23:55 andersje      I'll look it up.
23:55 VanessaE      homedecor/crafts.lua~:		"group:dye,basecolor_white",
23:55 VanessaE      there's why.
23:56 VanessaE      group:dye,xxxxxcolor_yyyyy
23:56 andersje      ooooooh.
23:56 andersje      cool.
23:56 VanessaE      xxxxx = base/ex/uni, yyyyy = the actual color
23:56 andersje      lemme try that fix
23:58 VanessaE      I thought something seemed a bit off before
23:58 andersje      it appears to only be breaking the white ones.
23:59 andersje      because as long as there's just green dye, it works
23:59 andersje      (for example)
23:59 andersje      so do I want to replace EVERY instance of group:xxxxcolor_yyyyy with group:dye,xxxxxcolor_yyyyy ?
23:59 VanessaE      yes
23:59 andersje      okay.  easy enough with sed
23:59 VanessaE      so just insert "dye," in after the group: part.