IRC log for #minetest, 2013-08-19

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00:32	PilzAdam	Pilztest now has hunger!
00:32	PilzAdam	and its completly different from what MC has
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00:37	NekoGloop	You mean that we don't have to eat every minute? :P
00:38	* NekoGloop	throws a Club sandwhich at PilzAdam
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01:01	Evergreen	PilzAdam: Pilztest is looking really cool!
01:02	PilzAdam	what do you like about it?
01:02	Evergreen	How does the hunger work?
01:02	PilzAdam	hehe, read the README and find out :-p
01:02	Evergreen	Huh, pretty cool way of doing it
01:05	Evergreen	Also, did you change the reach distance?
01:08	PilzAdam	you noticed it?
01:09	Evergreen	Yup
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01:10	Smelly	is nolan in here?
01:10	PilzAdam	Smelly, there is a user list at the right
01:11	Smelly	I know, I ask because he sometimes uses a different name
01:12	PilzAdam	Im going to sleep, bye
01:21	Evergreen	I gotta go
02:01	kaeza	https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7741832448/h9D4C88CD/
02:14	Kacey	Smelly, nolan doesnt appear to be here
02:19	kaeza	asdf
02:20	VanessaE	ahjfgewgfyewgfyew!!
02:20	VanessaE	:)
02:20	kaeza	channel is dead quiet tonight...
02:20	VanessaE	yeah
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02:39	XeroZero	Guys making a cape mod
02:39	XeroZero	Does a cape mod already exist?
02:41	kaeza	like South Cape or like Batman's Cape? :P
02:41	kaeza	english is weird
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02:43	VanessaE	I assumed he meant like superman's cape..
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03:09	aldobr	hi all
03:09	VanessaE	hi
03:09	ShadowNinja	Hello.
03:09	aldobr	kaeza i found a free 3d voxel editor
03:10	aldobr	im trying to write a exporter to nodebox
03:10	aldobr	sproxel
03:10	aldobr	its scriptable in python
03:10	aldobr	:D
03:15	aldobr	oh hes afk
03:17	kaeza	hai
03:25	kahrl	minetest is a free 3d voxel editor :P
03:25	VanessaE	I wondered how long it would take for someone to say that :)
03:26	aldobr	:D
03:26	aldobr	so how do you create nodeboxes using minetest ?
03:26	aldobr	i mean, using mintest as the editor...
03:27	VanessaE	use rubenwardy's nodebox editor
03:27	VanessaE	or just hand-code them
03:27	VanessaE	oh
03:27	VanessaE	um
03:27	aldobr	sproxel is already done
03:27	VanessaE	actually wasn't someone working on a mod to do that, too?
03:27	aldobr	just need a exporter in python
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03:37	aldobr	well, going to sleep
03:37	aldobr	cyall
03:58	Smelly	wow
03:58	Smelly	I forgot to close this window
03:58	Smelly	so much text
03:58	Smelly	Well goodnight all
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04:21	ShadowNinja	Does Minetest have any nick length limits? And if so how long is it?
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04:52	Miner_48er	anyone designed a large mesecon gate?
04:52	khonkhortisan	what do you mean?
04:53	khonkhortisan	A physical gate, like a fence, or a logical gate made of many smaller gates?
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04:54	Miner_48er	physical
05:00	kaeza	how large is large?
05:00	kaeza	max I did was a 2x2 hidden gate :P
05:00	Miner_48er	4x4
05:05	Miner_48er	could movestone do that?
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05:32	ndjdjksisksk	hi
05:32	ndjdjksisksk	is anyone on
05:33	ndjdjksisksk	this is my first tinme on irc
05:33	ndjdjksisksk	um hi
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05:35	Miner_48er	hi
05:36	ndjdjksisksk	hi miner
05:36	ndjdjksisksk	am i on
05:36	ndjdjksisksk	or am i disconnected
05:37	Miner_48er	on
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05:37	ndjdjksisksk	ok
05:37	ndjdjksisksk	is shadow minga on this chanel
05:37	ndjdjksisksk	shadow ninga*
05:38	Miner_48er	ShadowNinga
05:38	ndjdjksisksk	sorry lol
05:38	Miner_48er	*ShadowNinja
05:38	ndjdjksisksk	i know
05:38	ndjdjksisksk	i can't spell it lol
05:38	ndjdjksisksk	oh and how do you usr irc in the serevr
05:38	ndjdjksisksk	server
05:39	Miner_48er	idk what the irc on the server connects to
05:39	ndjdjksisksk	it connects to #minetest
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05:40	ndjdjksisksk	hi ch98
05:41	ndjdjksisksk	why am i not getting responses
05:42	ndjdjksisksk	um
05:42	ndjdjksisksk	just a sec
05:44	ndjdjksisksk	wow i am not getting responses
05:44	ShadowNinja	ndjdjksisksk: I use the rewrite branch of kaeza's IRC mod connected to InchraNet.
05:46	ndjdjksisksk	oh ok
05:47	ndjdjksisksk	hey shadowninga did you see my issue i had on the server
05:47	ndjdjksisksk	i am not banned because i am using different internet
05:47	ndjdjksisksk	but still
05:48	ndjdjksisksk	i love the creative server
05:49	ndjdjksisksk	?
05:49	ndjdjksisksk	what?
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06:00	ndjdjksisksk	hi
06:01	ndjdjksisksk	tseg hi
06:01	ndjdjksisksk	seg
06:01	SegFault22	Finally finished building my other computer... had to swap the hard-drives a few times and upgrade the RAM...
06:01	ndjdjksisksk	nice
06:01	ndjdjksisksk	how much ram does it have
06:01	SegFault22	Guess what? I'm chatting from that computer now. Running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
06:02	ndjdjksisksk	tnice
06:02	SegFault22	Has 1023 MB of RAM
06:02	ndjdjksisksk	ubuntu
06:02	SegFault22	I plan to make this the computer that will host my minetest server.
06:02	ndjdjksisksk	O_O
06:02	ndjdjksisksk	wow i will join it
06:02	SegFault22	Ubuntu = a flavor of Linux
06:03	SegFault22	But I must sleep now, for it is 2:00 AM where I am...
06:03	ndjdjksisksk	ti know i used to have ubuntu
06:03	ndjdjksisksk	it is 1 am where i am
06:03	SegFault22	Cool.
06:03	SegFault22	Well, goodbye. I must be leaving now.
06:04	ndjdjksisksk	see you later
06:04	SegFault22	yup
06:04	ndjdjksisksk	i am on the landrush server again i think
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06:24	ndjdjksisksk	hi
06:24	ndjdjksisksk	hi
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07:44	kaeza	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106281#p106281
07:44	kaeza	O_o
07:47	VanessaE	shakes head
07:48	VanessaE	why do so many people have trouble with this?
07:48	kaeza	also, preemptive strike: https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=7164
07:48	VanessaE	is there just simply that many who try to run the game from within the zip?
07:48	kaeza	VanessaE, Windows makes it look as if ZIPs were regular folders/directories
07:48	VanessaE	that's whatI figured.
07:49	kaeza	they even show up in the folder view in explorer
07:49	VanessaE	broken virtual fs that can't actually write files
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07:50	kaeza	another of those great ideas from M$
07:50	VanessaE	it's all Calinou's fault anyway :)
07:50	kaeza	(see also: "hide extension for known file types")
07:50	VanessaE	mmhmm
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07:51	Calinou	"why do so many people have trouble with this?"
07:51	Calinou	yesterday, in #minecrafthelp @ espernet I saw someone asking what's ethernet :P
07:51	kaeza	sigh
07:52	VanessaE	some people should not be allowed to own computers.
07:53	Calinou	it's actually a basic right, and you can't do much against computer illiterates
07:53	VanessaE	I suppose so and not...but still
07:54	NakedFury	we need computer usage lisences
07:55	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106262#p106262
07:55	NakedFury	much like a drivers lisence.
07:55	Calinou	as if people weren't banned unfairly
07:55	VanessaE	Calinou: -> trash
07:55	VanessaE	(imho)
07:56	VanessaE	posts like that one add nothing beneficial to the forums at all.
07:58	kaeza	it belongs to the respective server's thread, or better yet: PM/e-mail
07:58	VanessaE	exactly.
07:58	VanessaE	pm/email specifically.
07:59	kaeza	I've found that most of he time (if not always) these kinds of posts are just misbehaving users
07:59	kaeza	the*
07:59	PenguinDad	!up 200.127.96.9
07:59	MinetestBot	200.127.96.9:30000 seems to be down
07:59	sfan5	good morning
07:59	VanessaE	morning.
07:59	kaeza	and if the relevant server's admin(s) are jerks, well, don't play there
07:59	PenguinDad	morning sfan5
08:00	kaeza	morning sfan5, PenguinDad
08:00	Calinou	hi
08:00	kaeza	and of course Calinou :)
08:02	* Calinou	adds BorisGrishenko to the list of bad intel IGP owners
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08:15	kaeza	"Useless dupplicate translation file" oh the irony
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09:23	VanessaE	bbl
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09:26	DanDuncombe	There is one thing which Minetest needs. Mountains. And not those titchy MgV7 Mountains. I mean real ones. Around 4000 nodes wide and at least 4000 nodes high. I mean REAL mountains.
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09:36	Calinou	it already has mountains
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09:38	DanDuncombe	Calinou: are they 4000 nodes across, and 4000+ nodes high?
09:38	Calinou	no
09:38	Calinou	that is unrealistic and bad gameplay-wise anyway
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09:39	DanDuncombe	'Unrealistic'
09:39	Calinou	there are very few in real life
09:39	DanDuncombe	Real mountains can be several Kilometres across at the base
09:39	DanDuncombe	And also, Minetest isn't real life
09:40	DanDuncombe	I want something like the Beor mountains in the Eragon series, if you have ever read the books
09:40	DanDuncombe	They are literally ~20 miles across at the base, maybe 15-20 miles high.
09:40	* sfan5	has seen the movie
09:41	DanDuncombe	sfan5, the movie is nothing like the books really. Much less awesome.
09:41	sfan5	i know that book <-> movie is a big differejce
09:41	sfan5	difference*
09:42	DanDuncombe	Yep.Read all the books.
09:44	DanDuncombe	Could something similar to my 3d apples mod be default in Minetest?
09:45	Calinou	read ALL the books!
09:45	DanDuncombe	All the Eragon books in the series.
09:45	DanDuncombe	There are 5 I think.
09:55	DanDuncombe	I can read quickly if I want too.
09:56	DanDuncombe	I once read 2 average sized novels per day.
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11:04	jin_xi	thexyz: what do you mean with this? http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2012-12-11#i_2706979
11:04	jin_xi	sry to bring back up the old log...
11:11	thexyz	jin_xi: engine can delete your entities if some limit is exceeded
11:12	thexyz	jin_xi: this diff disables force deletion, then c55 tells me that this is bad because of entity duplication glitch
11:14	thexyz	so you should always assume that there may be no entity (even if you created it in the past)
11:17	jin_xi	but nothing that cant be fixed with a check if its still there and recreating it if not?
11:18	jin_xi	thanks for the clarification
11:19	thexyz	yes, I think
11:19	jin_xi	i was wondering because im thinking of making another mod that needs dynamic textures
11:19	thexyz	better to somehow tie entity to node, for example, by storing node position in entity
11:19	thexyz	what is it?
11:20	jin_xi	i really liked PilzAdams wireworld and wireworld in general
11:20	thexyz	and store all data in node meta
11:20	thexyz	because it's persistent
11:20	jin_xi	so im gonna make a node with a 16x16 grid that simulates that and has a face which shows its state
11:21	thexyz	oh, yeah, I found this interesting as well
11:22	jin_xi	so id like to have it in a smaller formfactor and split larger things into nodes with signal connections
11:22	thexyz	oh, that's great
11:22	thexyz	now how laggy would it be
11:22	jin_xi	very much so, but i dont care :P
11:24	thexyz	you can make nodes, 2Ã—2, and then there will be just 256 different states!
11:24	jin_xi	and a lookup table
11:25	thexyz	anyway, how are you going to make sure that all those are processed at the same time?
11:26	Jordach	jin_xi: even better
11:26	Jordach	make a small node that creates a 16 node gris
11:26	Jordach	grid*
11:26	Jordach	sort of like a projector of kinds (it removes dynamic texture!)
11:27	jin_xi	thexyz: idk yet
11:27	thexyz	what's the current state of "painting" btw?
11:27	jin_xi	Jordach: did you see the small formfactor thing
11:28	jin_xi	thexyz: its still in the same sorry state i left it, been thinking about relicensing it to WTFPL if thats ok with you
11:28	thexyz	yeah, I'm fine with it
11:28	jin_xi	cool
11:29	* Jordach	has had an idea for a while
11:29	Jordach	think hologram, and pixel art
11:29	jin_xi	so it would need to be fixed to what you said above, regarding entities and storing stuff also it lacks some crafting recipes
11:30	jin_xi	i kinda often fall victim to the 80/20 rule... its mostly there but i did other stuff lately
11:41	FreeFull	thexyz: Maybe if you fix the entity duplication glitch c55 will accept getting rid of force deletion
11:45	thexyz	maybe
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11:48	PenguinDad	sfan5[Mac]: VM?
11:49	sfan5[Mac]	yep
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11:51	sfan5	apparently my download speed is now 1.4 MB/s instead of 700 KB/s
11:53	thexyz	i think sfan5 is ready to do some mac builds
11:53	sfan5[Mac]	I initially attempted to get Irrlicht working on iOS
11:53	sfan5[Mac]	it works fine but doesn't load textures
11:54	sfan5[Mac]	well, .bmp doesn't work
11:54	sfan5[Mac]	OR it doesn't render them
11:54	sfan5[Mac]	I don't really know :S
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11:54	Jordach	Minetest on iOS
11:54	* Jordach	drools
11:55	Jordach	sfan5: that + iPad + good controls = awesome
11:57	PenguinDad	Imagine HDX on retina display
11:57	sfan5[Mac]	Â¿o/
11:57	sfan5[Mac]	wait
11:57	sfan5[Mac]	how do I make a backward slash....
11:58	jin_xi	\\\\\
11:59	PenguinDad	\o\o/o/
11:59	sfan5[Mac]	\o/
11:59	sfan5[Mac]	now I need to copy&paste a backward slash everytime...
11:59	thexyz	minetest on ios would be a bad idea
12:00	sfan5[Mac]	why?
12:00	thexyz	because there's no minetest for android, why should there be one for ios?
12:00	thexyz	that'd look like we don't support free software
12:00	sfan5[Mac]	because the people messed the library dependency handling up when using JNI on android
12:00	sfan5[Mac]	on iOS however you can just have a native executable and you are done
12:01	sfan5[Mac]	I didn't even get Irrlicht to run on Android
12:02	PenguinDad	I'm waiting for Tizen
12:02	thexyz	well that was a joke anyway
12:03	thexyz	support for any mobile device is a great opportunity for minetest to gain more attention
12:03	sfan5[Mac]	because the minetest mobile version will not have reduced features like MCPE?
12:03	thexyz	yeah
12:03	sfan5[Mac]	s/the/a/
12:03	sfan5[Mac]	and modding support
12:03	thexyz	but it will be unplayable
12:04	sfan5[Mac]	but I doubt apple would allow the complete lua feature set (io module) in the App Store
12:04	thexyz	unless someone implements touch controls
12:04	sfan5[Mac]	but we'd need $99 for that anyway
12:04	thexyz	and their appstore is not gpl-compliant
12:04	thexyz	and 99$ ain't money
12:04	sfan5[Mac]	Irrlicht has native touch & accerlometer support on iOS
12:05	thexyz	yes but minetest doesn't
12:05	sfan5[Mac]	that means to get the GUI working we don't need to do a thing(except redesigning to make it better for mobile devices)
12:06	sfan5[Mac]	maybe you didn't understand me: Irrlicht translates the touch event to normal clicking events as if you were on a device with mouse
12:06	sfan5[Mac]	events*
12:07	sfan5[Mac]	then we would need a way of moving forward
12:07	sfan5[Mac]	but even without that I could test it on my friends iPad since he has a keyboard for it
12:07	sfan5[Mac]	s/way of moving forward/touch controls for actions done with keys/
12:08	Jordach	sfan5[Mac]: the iPad 2 is probably the lowest spec you should support
12:08	sfan5[Mac]	Jordach: does it have armv7 processor?
12:09	sfan5[Mac]	the new iOS SDKs only support ARMv7
12:09	sfan5[Mac]	like my old iPod touch 2G, still has ARMv6
12:09	sfan5[Mac]	hm
12:09	sfan5[Mac]	I'm pretty sure the iPad 2 does
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12:12	sfan5[Mac]	IIRC >= iPod 3(except 8GB version) and >= iPad 2 and >= iPhone 4S have an ARMv7 processor
12:14	sfan5[Mac]	ImageMagick finally finished installing...
12:27	sfan5[Mac]	XCode finshed installing too...
12:28	Jordach	in other news http://i.imgur.com/E37ZdNZ.png
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12:31	sfan5[Mac]	wow
12:31	sfan5[Mac]	I really like this LimeChat feature
12:31	sfan5[Mac]	It previews the image Jordach just posted directly inline
12:32	arsdragonfly	cool
12:35	Jordach	image or gtfo
12:36	sfan5[Mac]	...
12:36	kaeza	Jordach, classic Windows theme? :3
12:37	Jordach	kaeza: 6fps boost in blender
12:37	jin_xi	is it a big chest?
12:37	Jordach	jin_xi: nope
12:37	Jordach	jin_xi: think painting on a larger scale
12:37	jin_xi	ah
12:38	* Jordach	would love 16x grid
12:38	Jordach	but it's just way too big for that D:
12:42	jin_xi	painting1 was like that, big formspec to place colors into
12:42	thexyz	but that was too boring
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12:44	Jordach	you do realise i pixel art with nodes rather than with painting
12:44	sfan5	Jordach: http://i.imgur.com/mqKbYQD.png
12:44	jin_xi	i do realize that
12:45	thexyz	wow this makes me want to buy a mac
12:45	thexyz	no, wait, it doesn't
12:45	sfan5[Mac]	haha
12:45	thexyz	fuck macs
12:45	sfan5[Mac]	!g Limechat windows
12:45	MinetestBot	sfan5[Mac]: http://limechat.net/mac/
12:45	jin_xi	lol, i bet erc and e[macs] can do that
12:46	sfan5[Mac]	xcode crashed!
12:46	thexyz	irssi has enough features for me
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12:49	thexyz	though sometimes I wish it had easier way to /dcc recieve a file
12:49	DanDuncombe	When will the minetest menu incorporate the Minetest Mod database?
12:49	Jordach	DanDuncombe: next update
12:49	sfan5[Mac]	DanDuncombe: it does already
12:49	DanDuncombe	Cool
12:49	sfan5[Mac]	(in latest git)
12:50	DanDuncombe	sfan5 Not on the latest git I have, it doesn't
12:50	DanDuncombe	I am probably not latest though
12:50	Jordach	not literally hot-off-the-presses
12:50	DanDuncombe	I Have: minetest-0.4.7-c893085-win32
12:51	Jordach	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/72b9b0fe3a3c3ab920c1225cfe0c2bd02ca4be7b
12:51	Jordach	^ is latest
12:51	DanDuncombe	Okay, but is it built for Windows already?
12:51	Jordach	sfan5[Mac]: linky to your 30 mins builds
12:52	sfan5[Mac]	30 mins builds?
12:52	sfan5[Mac]	you mean my windows builds?
12:52	DanDuncombe	I think so
12:52	Jordach	sfan5[Mac]: yup
12:52	sfan5[Mac]	http://sfan.funpic.de/minetest-builds
12:52	sfan5[Mac]	or alternatively
12:52	sfan5[Mac]	!g sfan5 minetest builds
12:52	MinetestBot	sfan5[Mac]: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1523&p=11
12:53	DanDuncombe	Do any Win builds include my Mapper yet?
12:53	* Jordach	noticed that all builds are provided by germans
12:55	sfan5[Mac]	oh right
12:55	sfan5[Mac]	lol
12:55	sfan5[Mac]	DanDuncombe: no
12:55	* DanDuncombe	plonks default:nyancat on Jordach's head.
12:55	Jordach	meow
12:55	* sfan5[Mac]	throws a kitten at DanDuncombe
12:55	* DanDuncombe
12:56	Jordach	two can play this game :D
12:56	* DanDuncombe
12:56	* DanDuncombe
12:56		DanDuncombe was kicked by ShadowBot: Repetition flood detected.
12:56	Jordach	lolololololololol
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12:56	DanDuncombe	Woops :)
12:56	Jordach	i was actually going to prepare a kick
12:56	Jordach	but ShadowBot beat me
12:57	* sfan5[Mac]	will now test if Irrlicht's GUI system works on iOS
12:57	thexyz	why wouldn't it?
12:57	sfan5[Mac]	dunno
12:58	thexyz	I mean, that'd be really stupid: to port irrlicht without gui
12:58	sfan5[Mac]	It should also be pretty easy to make a wrapper to get minetest working without much changes
12:58	DanDuncombe	The forum is practically empty righ now.
12:59	sfan5[Mac]	since iOS requires 3 different functions: setting up the Irrlicht things, Rendering 1 Frame, Destroying all the Irrlicht things ("Shutting down...")
12:59	sfan5[Mac]	vs. 1 function to do all in order
12:59	DanDuncombe	Has anyone heard of the user iKeyZ?
12:59	sfan5[Mac]	!sfu iKeyZ
13:00	MinetestBot	iKeyZ New member 2 posts, registered on 2011-04-19 \| id: 4
13:00	sfan5[Mac]	no
13:00	DanDuncombe	They were the 3rd ever user to join the forum
13:00	sfan5[Mac]	thats nice
13:00	DanDuncombe	According to the user list
13:00	DanDuncombe	I am 45th in the No.of posts ranking
13:01	DanDuncombe	!sfu Dan Duncombe
13:01	MinetestBot	Dan Duncombe Member 578 posts, registered on 2013-05-09 \| id: 5529
13:01	Calinou	cool story :P
13:01	Jordach	!sfu Jordach
13:01	MinetestBot	Jordach Moderator 3,408 posts, registered on 2011-10-03 \| id: 332
13:01	Jordach	>:D
13:02	DanDuncombe	I only joined a short while ago.
13:02	DanDuncombe	I first played Mt in 0.4.3
13:02	DanDuncombe	As soon as I got it 0.4.4 came out :p
13:02	* sfan5[Mac]	first played MT in 0.2
13:02	Calinou	0.2_20110704
13:03	DanDuncombe	Minetest 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 or whatever seems shitty compared to 0.4.7
13:04	Calinou	of course
13:04	Calinou	linux 1.0 will also be shitty compared to linux 3.11
13:04	sfan5[Mac]	^^
13:04	DanDuncombe	Who has been on the 0.0.0.0.0.01 server?
13:04	sfan5[Mac]	s/^^/^/
13:04	thexyz	!stfu
13:05	thexyz	oh
13:05	Jordach	MinetestBot: !stfw
13:05	Calinou	we should have quinbot/redroid here
13:05	thexyz	doesn't work
13:05	* Jordach	always wondered who owns redroid
13:05	Calinou	quin
13:05	Calinou	he used to "be" the bot
13:05	Jordach	ah
13:06	Calinou	I found the source somewhere on pastebin but don't have it anymore
13:06	Jordach	Calinou: i once asked that question in #wazuclan before
13:06	Jordach	got kicked, Calinou style
13:06	sfan5[Mac]	xcode seems to be a really nice IDE
13:06	thexyz	what's quinbot/redroid?
13:06	sfan5[Mac]	except thats its Mac-only
13:06	Jordach	thexyz: join #redeclipse
13:06	Calinou	join #redeclipse, say ~roulette several times and see
13:07	Jordach	BOOM!
13:07	DanDuncombe	I Did it and got kicked
13:07	Jordach	it's a one hit wonder
13:07	DanDuncombe	BANG! Your dead!
13:07	DanDuncombe	'DanDuncombe was kicked from #redeclipse by redroid [BANG! You're dead.]'
13:08	kaeza	whose dead?
13:08	Jordach	DanDuncombe is
13:08	kaeza	Jordach, "whose", not "who's" :P
13:09	thexyz	your
13:09	thexyz	isn't this clear?
13:10	jin_xi	sfan5[Mac]: try GNUstep with GORM...
13:10	sfan5[Mac]	mhm
13:12	* Jordach	wants redroid in here
13:12	thexyz	I don't get it
13:12	DanDuncombe	Who likes tunneling in MT?
13:12	thexyz	so, the only feature is ~roulette?
13:12	kaeza	~quote
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13:13	kaeza	and some others
13:13	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
13:14	DanDuncombe	Is there a minetest command to set your spawnpoint?
13:14	Calinou	there is no help, there are commands nearly noone knows :P
13:15	Calinou	DanDuncombe: not without mods
13:15	sfan5[Mac]	DanDuncombe: google is your friend
13:15	sfan5[Mac]	hi PilzAdam
13:15	DanDuncombe	I meant without mods
13:15	PilzAdam	MAC!?!?!
13:15	PilzAdam	/kick sfan5[Mac]
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13:16	sfan5[Mac]	its not a physical mac
13:16	Calinou	DanDuncombe: /set static_spawnpoint X,Y,Z
13:16	sfan5[Mac]	no way I would buy these overpriced things
13:16	Jordach	!!op PilzAdam
13:16	Calinou	there no /spawn command, but it makes you spawn at that coordinate when you die
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13:17	KikaRz	Hello people :)
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13:18	DanDuncombe	Sneak preview of my World In A Jar survival map
13:18	DanDuncombe	http://s9.postimg.org/60g3uf0vj/screenshot_190165817.png
13:18	KikaRz	nice
13:18	KikaRz	what's the objective?
13:18	DanDuncombe	To survive.
13:19	DanDuncombe	There will be multiple jars
13:19	Jordach	stealing my damn idea are you>
13:19	DanDuncombe	And you will have hunger etc
13:19	* Jordach	has another idea
13:19	DanDuncombe	With the hud mod
13:19	KikaRz	hmm...
13:19	KikaRz	a bit strange
13:19	KikaRz	and then?
13:19	DanDuncombe	It is a whole world- dungeon, lava pool etc
13:19	KikaRz	pfft.
13:19	DanDuncombe	The idea is to use the jar world on a server
13:19	DanDuncombe	And build from it
13:20	Jordach	LogoSkyBlock works :D
13:20	sfan5[Mac]	ofc it does
13:20	DanDuncombe	See this
13:20	DanDuncombe	http://www.planetminecraft.com/project/world-in-a-jar-survival-map/
13:20	KikaRz	ohai sfan5[Mac] !
13:20	sfan5[Mac]	ohai KikaRz !
13:20	KikaRz	you know where is VanessaE?
13:21	Jordach	DanDuncombe: PMC sucks
13:21	DanDuncombe	PMC?
13:21	KikaRz	meh, world in a java isn't so nice.
13:21	DanDuncombe	PlanetMineCraft?
13:21	kaeza	lol
13:21	KikaRz	no
13:21	DanDuncombe	This is MT though, my version
13:21	kaeza	world in a java
13:21	KikaRz	kaeza, .jar = java
13:21	KikaRz	'-'
13:22	kaeza	makes sense :P
13:22	KikaRz	Nice, net splits are better.
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13:22	Jordach	i didnt die, yay :D
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13:23	DanDuncombe	I've made the spawn jar, what next? Water Jar?
13:24	sfan5[Mac]	lol
13:24	sfan5[Mac]	MinetestBot!
13:24	MinetestBot	sfan5[Mac]!
13:24	KikaRz	MinetestBot!
13:24	KikaRz	pfft. Still ignored me
13:24	Jordach	MinetestBot!
13:24	MinetestBot	Jordach!
13:24	* Jordach	pets MinetestBot
13:25	KikaRz	Who remembers this? http://oi50.tinypic.com/9jj2ae.jpg
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13:26	Jordach	nope.avi
13:27	KikaRz	I've said who remembers that
13:27	Calinou	hi KikaRz
13:27	Calinou	jar = java archive
13:27	KikaRz	hi Calinou
13:27	KikaRz	I know
13:27	Calinou	or a bowl :P
13:27	KikaRz	no
13:27	KikaRz	jar = bowl of javater.
13:28	KikaRz	javater = java water
13:28	Calinou	of jarate!
13:28	KikaRz	no
13:28	PilzAdam	according to ragnar: jar = compiled java program
13:28	KikaRz	team fortress 2 isn't for you
13:28	sfan5[Mac]	jar = just a zipfile
13:28	DanDuncombe	There will be a water jar
13:28	DanDuncombe	Water globe then
13:29	DanDuncombe	Desert 'jar'
13:29	DanDuncombe	Forest 'jar'
13:29	KikaRz	Who knows how to compile Minetest in windows?
13:29	Jordach	DanDuncombe: go play LogoSkyBlock
13:29	DanDuncombe	Any other Places to make?
13:29	PilzAdam	New win32 build: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4547
13:29	DanDuncombe	House Jar!
13:30	PilzAdam	^ fun fact: this is the most used link in this channel
13:30	KikaRz	is it? w
13:30	Jordach	sfan5[Mac]: bias the log thingy
13:30	Jordach	remove PilzAdam's links
13:30	sfan5[Mac]	..
13:31	sfan5[Mac]	soon: MinetestBot automagically announces when I make a new windows build
13:31	KikaRz	Really???
13:31	KikaRz	O_O
13:32	KikaRz	Nice!
13:32	Jordach	is MinetestBot an autobot?
13:32	PilzAdam	sfan5[Mac], no, thats stupid
13:32	sfan5[Mac]	that was a joke
13:32	PilzAdam	also remove the messages about meseons and worldedit repos, they are annoying
13:33	KikaRz	omfg!
13:33	PilzAdam	*mesecons
13:33	KikaRz	Portuguese is fucked up!
13:33	sfan5[Mac]	PilzAdam: anyone else share your opinion?
13:33	Semilevel	www.themacuser.org
13:33	sfan5[Mac]	!title
13:33	MinetestBot	sfan5[Mac]: PilzAdamâ€™s Minetest win32 builds (with GetText, cURL, TTF and LuaJIT) (Page 1) â€” General Discuss[...]
13:33	MinetestBot	sfan5[Mac]: yes, I do!
13:33	KikaRz	the Ã¡Ã Ã©Ã¨ÃÃ¬Ã³Ã²Ã§Ã£áº½Ä©ÃµÅ©Ã¢ÃªÃ®Ã´Ã» is fucked up
13:33	sfan5[Mac]	MinetestBot: you don't count
13:33	MinetestBot	sfan5[Mac]: yes, I do!
13:34	KikaRz	fake.
13:34	sfan5[Mac]	http://www.themacuser.org
13:34	sfan5[Mac]	!title
13:34	MinetestBot	sfan5[Mac]: The Typical Mac User
13:34	sfan5[Mac]	MinetestBot: No you don't
13:34	KikaRz	!title
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13:34	DanDuncombe	Worldedit won't work.
13:34	KikaRz	lol, title for me is: No you don't
13:34	KikaRz	'-'
13:35	sfan5	!unignore KikaRz
13:35	MinetestBot	sfan5: 'KikaRz' removed from ignore list.
13:35	KikaRz	... I want perma-unignore MinetestBot.
13:35	sfan5	maybe
13:35	KikaRz	Well, last time you used that, it didn't unignored me forever.
13:36	KikaRz	LuaError detected.
13:36	KikaRz	In the Favourites list
13:36	KikaRz	when we press on the black part
13:36	KikaRz	without favourite servers
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13:36	KikaRz	http://i.imgur.com/7IMnyy5.png
13:37	Calinou	bleeding eyes while reading font
13:38	KikaRz	what font?
13:38	thexyz	1024x768 is what frightens me
13:38	Calinou	windows and hexchat font
13:38	KikaRz	ah...
13:38	KikaRz	well, 1024x768 is the maximum for me
13:39	KikaRz	Idk What system i must run.
13:39	KikaRz	windows or linux.
13:39	KikaRz	3.x, 95, 98, 2000, ME, XP, VISTA, 7 or 8
13:40	KikaRz	Debian, Ubuntu (12.04.2, 12.10, 10.04, 10.12, 8.2,) Crunchbang...
13:40	KikaRz	Now I've got DVDS, I can record whatever OS i want
13:40	thexyz	buy better monitor
13:40	KikaRz	well, i've had 2
13:40	KikaRz	but problem: They fricked out
13:40	KikaRz	broke up.
13:41	thexyz	how?
13:41	sfan5[Mac]	yey!
13:41	sfan5[Mac]	clicking buttons in Irrlicht works
13:41	KikaRz	lol?
13:41	KikaRz	thexyz, IDK... they just... turned black, and boom, almost blown up in my face.
13:42	KikaRz	they were CRT. that big ass ones.
13:42	DanDuncombe	The three completed jars so far http://s21.postimg.org/j9q43v0tj/screenshot_191680958.png
13:42	thexyz	KikaRz: well buy a good one then?
13:42	thexyz	or at least, any but CRT
13:42	KikaRz	Well, no money thexyz.
13:43	DanDuncombe	I will do a wintry forest jar next
13:43	thexyz	uh -(
13:43	KikaRz	DanDuncombe, stop robbing other people's ideas.
13:43	DanDuncombe	Are there placeable snow slabs yet?
13:44	DanDuncombe	Found them :)
13:44	KikaRz	!title
13:44	MinetestBot	KikaRz: Document isn't HTML
13:44	KikaRz	Yay.
13:45	KikaRz	I don't use HTML, I use PHP and css.
13:47	KikaRz	omg
13:47	KikaRz	my windows font is like... flickerign a lot
13:47	KikaRz	with game opened
13:48	DanDuncombe	Can I make saplings grow instantly?
13:49	PilzAdam	DanDuncombe, in src/content_abm.cpp change the time and chance to 1 and compile
13:49	DanDuncombe	Can't be bothered. I'll just build a tree instead
13:51	Jordach	DanDuncombe: i waited for my sapling to grow
13:51	MinetestBot	GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Allow SIGINT to kill mainmenu again ade70fe4b9 2013-08-19T06:49:36-07:00 http://git.io/wrd0jQ
13:51	MinetestBot	GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: World config dialog: Use engine determined path for game mods 4242782dc2 2013-08-19T06:49:36-07:00 http://git.io/9f3A-Q
13:51	MinetestBot	GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: GUIFormSpecMenu focus fixes 8548bb75b6 2013-08-19T06:49:36-07:00 http://git.io/nazK8w
13:51	DanDuncombe	Jordach: I am making custom shaped trees
13:51	KikaRz	http://i.imgur.com/7IMnyy5.png
13:52	KikaRz	Who can fix that ? Favourites lsit
13:52	KikaRz	*list
13:53	KikaRz	does lava destroy items dropped?
13:53	KikaRz	*dropped items?
13:54	Jordach	no
13:54	KikaRz	meh
13:54	KikaRz	there are any
13:54	KikaRz	Hoppers?
13:54	* Calinou	hops away
13:54	KikaRz	lol.
13:55	KikaRz	there are or not?
13:55	Jordach	this isn't minecraft
13:55	KikaRz	not about minecraft
13:55	KikaRz	but yes about technic
13:55	KikaRz	or something
13:55	Jordach	if you ask for horses, i'll literally !op
13:55	KikaRz	and if I ask for pigs?
13:56	KikaRz	:P
13:56	KikaRz	Kidding
13:56	Jordach	PilzAdam: noticed the topic today?
13:56	PilzAdam	yes?
13:56	Jordach	Sandwich of the day: Club
13:57	KikaRz	i prefer mcdonald but without hamburguers.
13:57	* Jordach	prefers Subway
13:57	KikaRz	!title git.io/9f3A-q
13:57	MinetestBot	KikaRz: Can't connect to http://git.io/9f3A-q
13:57	KikaRz	!title sfan5
13:57	MinetestBot	KikaRz: Can't connect to http://sfan5
13:58	KikaRz	!title google.com
13:58	MinetestBot	KikaRz: Google
13:58	KikaRz	hmmm, now i know whats this about
13:58	Jordach	KikaRz: stop abusing the bot
13:58	sfan5	!ignore KikaRz
13:58	MinetestBot	sfan5: 'KikaRz' added to ignore list.
13:58	KikaRz	I'm not abusing
13:58	sfan5	dng
13:58	KikaRz	-.-
13:58	sfan5	*ding
13:58	KikaRz	noobs.
13:58	sfan5	!op sfan5[Mac]
13:58	kaeza	boobs
13:59	KikaRz	sfan5, you just did !title without nothing on front, and it just said that you were the usual user of mac.
13:59	KikaRz	I was thinking that title was about each one title
13:59	sfan5[Mac]	KikaRz: title displays the title of the link last posted/you give to it
13:59	sfan5[Mac]	kaeza: toast
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13:59	sfan5[Mac]	also see:
13:59	sfan5[Mac]	!help
13:59	MinetestBot	https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
13:59	KikaRz	I've posted a photo.
13:59	KikaRz	http://i.imgur.com/7IMnyy5.png
13:59	sfan5[Mac]	!title
13:59	MinetestBot	sfan5[Mac]: Document isn't HTML
14:00	sfan5[Mac]	^ see
14:00	KikaRz	!title.
14:00	sfan5[Mac]	?
14:00	KikaRz	!title
14:00	KikaRz	pfft.
14:00	sfan5[Mac]	it says "Document isn't HTML"
14:00	KikaRz	wait...
14:00	KikaRz	http://github.com
14:00	MinetestBot	GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Fix gettext for tabs (windows) deaa8dc287 2013-08-19T06:59:09-07:00 http://git.io/hYUmyQ
14:00	sfan5[Mac]	!title
14:00	MinetestBot	sfan5[Mac]: GitHub Â· Build software better, together.
14:00	KikaRz	hm
14:01	kaeza	!stfu KikaRz
14:01	kaeza	whoops
14:01	kaeza	!sfu KikaRz
14:01	MinetestBot	KikaRz New member 6 posts, registered on 2012-03-21 \| id: 1522
14:01	sfan5	!unignore KikaRz
14:01	MinetestBot	sfan5: 'KikaRz' removed from ignore list.
14:01	KikaRz	kaeza...
14:02	Jordach	!sfu Jordach
14:02	MinetestBot	Jordach Moderator 3,409 posts, registered on 2011-10-03 \| id: 332
14:02	* Jordach	wants the 10,000 mark
14:02	KikaRz	So, where is celeron?
14:02	* sfan5[Mac]	wants a cookie
14:02	Jordach	hiding
14:02	sfan5[Mac]	KikaRz: #minetest-dev
14:02	* Jordach	hands sfan5 a cookie
14:02	* sfan5	noms the cookie
14:02	* KikaRz	hands sfan5 a package of cookies
14:02	Jordach	Mac's don't deserve cookies, as they only eat apples................................
14:03	kaeza	Cookie Jar!
14:03	* sfan5[Mac]	noms the cookies in the package
14:03	sfan5[Mac]	sfan5!
14:03	sfan5	sfan5[Mac]!
14:03	kaeza	lol
14:03	* MaxPayne	wonders what minetest is
14:03	sfan5[Mac]	!g what is minetest
14:03	MinetestBot	sfan5[Mac]: http://minetest.net/
14:03	sfan5[Mac]	^ MaxPayne
14:04	DanDuncombe	Does the hud mod have hunger?
14:05	MaxPayne	Ah ty
14:05	DanDuncombe	If so, does it work with bread?
14:05	kaeza	:\|
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14:05	DanDuncombe	Also, latest update of WIAJ: Snow Jar http://s24.postimg.org/5l2t44dyd/screenshot_193051579.png
14:06	sfan5[Mac]	the trees look like they come from MC
14:07	DanDuncombe	A) Yes B) They are meant to be pine or spruce trees
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14:08	DanDuncombe	So far: Snow forest jar, spawn jar, desert jar, water jar. Anything else? Maybe an abandoned hut jar...
14:10	DanDuncombe	Maybe, Jam Jar?
14:11	sfan5[Mac]	cookie jar
14:11	MaxPayne	Lol
14:12	sfan5	derp
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14:14	DanDuncombe	What about a cloud house? A house built in the clouds...
14:16	thexyz	sfan5: what's the progress with irrlicht?
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14:22	sfan5[Mac]	thexyz: button pressing works
14:23	sfan5[Mac]	I'll try to write a wrapper now that allows easy integrating with the existing code
14:23	thexyz	you mean, Minetest launches and works?
14:23	sfan5[Mac]	no
14:23	sfan5[Mac]	but I think it will
14:23	sfan5[Mac]	Textures still don't load/render
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14:24	DanDuncombe	Should the clouds for the cloud house be made of white wool or actual cloud?
14:24	thexyz	everything apart from textures work then?
14:24	sfan5[Mac]	yes
14:24	sfan5[Mac]	DanDuncombe: /me suggests default:cloud
14:24	DanDuncombe	Okay, thanks
14:25	thexyz	oh, that's great
14:25	DanDuncombe	Should the house have chests with stuff in and furnaces, or be empty?
14:25	thexyz	sfan5[Mac]: I think you should create a pull request after making your changes
14:26	sfan5[Mac]	thexyz: the changes to minetest will be minimal
14:26	sfan5[Mac]	I plan on running the main thing in a seperate thread
14:27	sfan5[Mac]	and it will call wrapper_waitForViewWillAppear(); or while(wrapper_waitForUpdateDisplay()) { /* Rendering code */ }
14:27	thexyz	in any case they should be in git
14:27	thexyz	in main repo
14:27	sfan5[Mac]	these methods will then set the thread to sleep
14:28	sfan5[Mac]	when the viewWillAppear / updateDisplay event is fired in the other thread it will wake the sleeping thread
14:29	sfan5[Mac]	so it should just be like 3 or 4 extra lines per use of createDevice() from Irrlicht
14:29	thexyz	still, do you have any reasons not to have this code in main repo?
14:29	sfan5[Mac]	do we want ObjC in the main repo?
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14:30	sfan5[Mac]	well
14:30	sfan5[Mac]	we'd need the complete XCode project folder
14:30	sfan5[Mac]	(just for the wrapper)
14:30	sfan5[Mac]	..
14:30	sfan5[Mac]	minetest too
14:30	sfan5[Mac]	cmake generates xcode project files, doesn't it?
14:30	thexyz	keep stuff that cannot be auto-regenerated
14:31	sfan5[Mac]	regenerating the project file for the wrapper would be unneccesary since they won't change often
14:31	sfan5[Mac]	s/they/it/
14:32	thexyz	at the same time storing files that can be generated automatically isn't necessary either
14:32	sfan5[Mac]	that are future decisions anyway, I need to write the wrapper first 8)
14:33	sfan5[Mac]	but it should be done in 1 - 2 hours
14:34	sfan5[Mac]	its only copying files over from IrrlichtExample.xcodeproject and adjusting them
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14:36	DanDuncombe	The cloud house: http://s10.postimg.org/k1kvsns2h/screenshot_194943168.png
14:36	sfan5[Mac]	nice
14:37	DanDuncombe	Thanks
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14:38	DanDuncombe	Watching the beutiful sunset...http://s14.postimg.org/cfiupqto1/screenshot_195063888.png
14:40	DanDuncombe	The map is just about complete I would say. This is the whole map pretty much: http://s12.postimg.org/qvcxy25jx/screenshot_195150428.png
14:42	sfan5[Mac]	is the cloud house so large, or does it only look like it is so large?
14:43	DanDuncombe	It is not that big really
14:43	DanDuncombe	5 Nodes long inside
14:43	DanDuncombe	and 3 wide inside
14:45	DanDuncombe	What does the 'privs' privelege do?
14:48	thexyz	sfan5[Mac]: I'd prefer to include those files in source tree then
14:49	sfan5[Mac]	it has to be done a bit differently
14:49	sfan5[Mac]	the code I'm currently writing is technically an App which needs to be linked with Minetest(as static library) and its dependencies
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14:50	sfan5[Mac]	so the .xcodeproject file would need to be adjusted
14:50	sfan5[Mac]	well
14:50	sfan5[Mac]	not really
14:50	sfan5[Mac]	Minetest, Irrlicht and the rest could be linked to a static library that is in a specific place all the time
14:51	DanDuncombe	The hud mod is by blockmen right?
14:52	DanDuncombe	What does the 'privs' privelege do?
14:52	Calinou	it lets you add and remove privs
14:52	Calinou	basic_privs is same thing, but only for interact and shout
14:53	DanDuncombe	So, if I wanted to disable all cheating in a singleplayer map, which privs should I have in auth.txt
14:53	Calinou	interact and shout
14:53	DanDuncombe	Only them? Ok
14:53	PilzAdam	sinleplayer has is always an admin
14:53	DanDuncombe	Even when 'server' priv is removed?
14:53	PilzAdam	it cant be removed
14:54	DanDuncombe	When removed from auth.txt?
14:54	sfan5[Mac]	nope
14:54	sfan5[Mac]	any client from localhost always has ALL privs and they are non-revokeable
14:54	DanDuncombe	Oh well. I can just tell peopleto not cheat I guess.
14:54	kaeza	only way is rewriting/overriding the /grant command :D
14:54	sfan5[Mac]	same with a client whose name is the same as the "name" thing in minetest.conf
14:54	sfan5[Mac]	s/thing/setting/
14:55	PilzAdam	lol s/setting/thing/g
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15:01	rubenwardy	Hi all
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15:11	DanDuncombe	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106325#p106325
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15:20	DanDuncombe	For anyone who just joined: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106325#p106325
15:21	Jordach	tl;dr. notbad.png
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15:23	rubenwardy	kaeza: I recommend you update the ctf game on your server
15:24	kaeza	?
15:24	kaeza	I have no server O_o
15:24	DanDuncombe	Do you mean Mito551?
15:27	sfan5[Mac]	ding
15:27	sfan5[Mac]	appwraper thing is done
15:27	sfan5[Mac]	appwrapper*
15:29	sfan5[Mac]	time to get minetest working on iOS
15:30	DanDuncombe	Making it an app?!
15:30	rubenwardy	oh, mittori
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15:33	sfan5[Mac]	DanDuncombe: yes
15:33	DanDuncombe	AWESOME!
15:33	DanDuncombe	When will it be on the appstore?!
15:35	Jordach	probably never.
15:35	ShadowNinja	sfan5[Mac]: What about your fixes for Android? Can those be merged?
15:35	* Jordach	thinks it needs Cydia
15:36	sfan5[Mac]	ShadowNinja: I don't think we want fixes for the broken android libc
15:38	Kacey	bbl
15:39	rubenwardy	*mitori
15:40	Jordach	lol
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16:03	sfan5[Mac]	!g minetest mac site:github.com
16:03	MinetestBot	sfan5[Mac]: https://github.com/toabi/minetest-mac/downloads
16:03	sfan5[Mac]	:/
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16:18	rubenwardy	Any comments about capture the flag?
16:19	andersje	what's capture the flag?
16:19	andersje	(in regards to minetest that is)
16:19	rubenwardy	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6947
16:21	rubenwardy	kaeza: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106126#p106126
16:21	andersje	wow, that looks extensive
16:23	kaeza	rubenwardy, on it
16:31	DanDuncombe	Does anyone know of a mod that adds a mining machine that digs vertically down and actually works?
16:32	andersje	does the old tunneling machine mod not work?
16:32	andersje	(not that I've tried it -- my kids would get up to too much mischief with it)
16:32	DanDuncombe	The tunneling machine works fine- especially the modified one in camo.
16:33	DanDuncombe	It has an inventory to store the items, and special slots for rails etc
16:33	andersje	but it doesn't go down?
16:33	DanDuncombe	Nope.
16:33	DanDuncombe	There was a mod that adds a vertical miner.
16:33	DanDuncombe	I can't find it though.
16:33	andersje	part of the workers mod?
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16:34	DanDuncombe	No... It was mesecon powered
16:35	andersje	i must never have run across it
16:35	DanDuncombe	Got it- https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5550
16:36	andersje	cool.
16:38	DanDuncombe	You need to add a depends.txt for it to work though. You have to add default to the depends.
16:38	andersje	is there any sort of projected date on 0.4.8?
16:39	DanDuncombe	0.4.8 will come out when it is completely or mostly incompatible with 0.4.7 I believe
16:40	andersje	I was just wondering if there were any guesstimates as to when that'd be. I'm not waiting on any features, just curious.
16:41	DanDuncombe	Probably within the month
16:42	PilzAdam	bbl
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17:09	DanDuncombe	Are luacontroller supposed to have facedir?
17:10	DanDuncombe	They always face the same direction.
17:12	ShadowNinja	DanDuncombe: No.
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17:19	DanDuncombe	So B port,for example, always faces the same way?
17:21	ShadowNinja	DanDuncombe: Yes.
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17:21	DanDuncombe	Okay
17:23	Miner_48er	!up 75.131.40.131 30000
17:23	MinetestBot	75.131.40.131:30000 seems to be down
17:24	DanDuncombe	Isn that Vazon's server?
17:24	Miner_48er	yes
17:25	DanDuncombe	I couldn't logon either...
17:25	DanDuncombe	Do you play on VanessaE's server?
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17:26	DanDuncombe	Hi
17:26	Miner_48er	no I've toured it before
17:26	nore	hi
17:26	DanDuncombe	Who develops pipeworks right now?
17:26	DanDuncombe	'cause I've had an idea.
17:27	nore	VanessaE, Uberi/Temperest, hdastwb and me
17:27	nore	what's your idea?
17:27	DanDuncombe	I was thinkin: A node that checks whether an adjacent furnace has fuel in it or not, if none, then it sends out mesecon(for auto-fuel-restocking)
17:28	nore	well, what I made until now was to put a lot of items in the fuel slot, so that if the furnace is full, no new items will be sent, and they go to a chest
17:29	nore	but we can make an inventory-detector, need to think
17:29	DanDuncombe	Okay
17:30	DanDuncombe	Who likes the soldier NPCs in camo mod?
17:31	nore	kaeza: May I st... borrow your screen model and textures of your computer mod for my mod please?
17:31	kaeza	nore, sure
17:31	nore	thanks
17:32	kaeza	I think I released the whole mod as WTFPL, so do what...you want with it :P
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17:33	andersje	does anyone know...has there been a steel ladders mod made ever? when deep mining, ladders that didn't burn would be nice...
17:33	DanDuncombe	nore: Try this nodebox (One I made) http://pastebin.com/Wr5vabBq
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17:50	Evergreen	I know this isn't a good way to say hello, but I really hate nolan
17:50	Calinou	"haters gonna hate", as they said
17:50	Evergreen	Yup
17:50	Evergreen	Honestly, he changed his story multiple times, and acted like no one noticed
17:51	sfan5[Mac]	Minetest will hopefully run on iOS today
17:51	Calinou	including multiplayer? mods?
17:51	Calinou	non-jailbroken iOS? :P
17:52	sfan5[Mac]	full version (multiplayer, mods, everything from latest git); not yet
17:52	andersje	whois is nolan?
17:52	Calinou	some guy on the Minetest forums
17:52	sfan5[Mac]	we would need a more restrictive lua io module for apple to allow Minetest on the appstore anyway
17:52	sfan5[Mac]	and $99
17:53	andersje	I'd pony up the $99.
17:53	andersje	even though I don't have a Mac.
17:53	* sfan5[Mac]	doesn't have a Mac either
17:54	Calinou	buy a pony for $99!
17:54	sfan5[Mac]	nah
17:54	Calinou	<sfan5[Mac]> we would need a more restrictive lua io module for apple to allow Minetest on the appstore anyway
17:54	Calinou	they would never allow it, regardless
17:54	sfan5[Mac]	why?
17:54	andersje	hey, this is maybe a weird thing to say, but has anyone considered offering an alternatively titled WTFPL: "Well That's Fine Public License" ? I only ask because I've got young kids. =)
17:54	Calinou	unless you made a locked-in in-game mod store, where you can only get the mods through modmgr
17:54	sfan5[Mac]	well
17:54	Calinou	andersje: don't try to avoid swear words on the internet
17:55	Calinou	it ends up in things being "fuked up".
17:55	andersje	yeah, I know. I'm just trying to avoid that as long as i can.
17:55	sfan5[Mac]	we have an ingame mod manager anyway
17:55	sfan5[Mac]	so that wouldn't be the problem
17:57	Calinou	yes, but it'd need to be locked down and stuff
17:57	Calinou	on top of that, the content is freely licensed
17:57	Calinou	apple doesn't like that
17:57	andersje	:s/ly licensed/dom/g
17:57	andersje	FTFY
17:58	* andersje	hrms.
17:58	andersje	I fixed that poorly.
17:58	Calinou	apple and freedom make two
17:58	* Exio4	applies s/.*// over andersje
17:58	andersje	:s/$apple$.*/\1 hates choice./g
17:58	sfan5[Mac]	apparently IRC is the same as vim
17:58	sfan5[Mac]	Calinou: define "locked down"
17:58	sfan5[Mac]	apple is fine with open source things
17:59	Calinou	not really
17:59	DanDuncombe	I hate Technic mod.
17:59	andersje	yes, irc and vim are interchangeable ;) or ed.
17:59	andersje	why not distribute a brew module for minetest?
17:59	kaeza	loled
17:59	Evergreen	Anyone know why there isn't a notification sound in qaussel? I chose a sound to play, but it doesn't work
17:59	DanDuncombe	'cause you need Moretrees.
17:59	andersje	then it's not in the store, but it's still available.
17:59	DanDuncombe	MORETREES SUCKS.
17:59	andersje	whats wrong with moretrees?
17:59	Evergreen	Why you be so mean? D:
17:59	Calinou	lots of leaves = slow
18:00	andersje	ah.
18:00	Calinou	it can be good, but you need a good PC :P
18:00	Calinou	or disable "fancy trees"
18:00	Evergreen	That isn't VanessaE's fault
18:00	Calinou	(ugly, though)
18:00	kaeza	define good PC
18:00	Calinou	a decent dedicated graphics card
18:00	andersje	I've got a half-dozen worlds running a server, but it still falls behind when the kids insist on flying around in fast mode.
18:00	DanDuncombe	I get so much lag, I have 2 fps max, and I sometimes have to wait 5 minutes before a mined node actually appears in the inventory.
18:00	Exio4	Calinou: VBO
18:00	Calinou	well, you have a slow PC
18:00	DanDuncombe	BECAUSE OF MORETREES
18:01	Miner_48er	Dan modify technic to use something else if you don't like using moretrees
18:01	Calinou	Exio4: the performance difference is actually small, TaokÂ¡ tried it
18:01	DanDuncombe	What about cactus, drops latex?
18:01	andersje	DanDuncombe: man, what's your hardware?
18:01	Exio4	Calinou: the performance difference is actuall small but as long as you add more stuff to draw, VBO gets 'faster' than the actual way
18:02	DanDuncombe	Is Latex the only Moretrees dependant thing in Technic?
18:02	Exio4	Calinou: (PA tried to draw a jungle with the VBO patch he was able to get more than 5FPS)
18:02	kaeza	his PC must suck
18:02	DanDuncombe	Guys, is the latex the onlymoretrees dependant thing?
18:03	Calinou	ah
18:03	Calinou	you mean "current" and not "actual" by the way
18:03	Calinou	andersje: he has some netbook
18:03	DanDuncombe	I have a netbook, yes
18:03	DanDuncombe	I normally get 15-20 fps
18:03	DanDuncombe	On Windows
18:04	DanDuncombe	On linux 5-8fps
18:04	Calinou	20FPS is very low
18:04	Calinou	intel doesn't take drivers for atoms seriously
18:04	andersje	if I turn off all the graphics options on my dell mini10, I can get about 20fps
18:04	Calinou	can't do anything against that
18:04	andersje	my eee904 hovers around 30
18:04	andersje	both running xubuntu 13.04
18:04	DanDuncombe	Guys, what are the moretrees dependancies in Technic?
18:04	Calinou	constant 60 on my PC here, everything maxed, 128 view distance
18:04	Exio4	i'm pretty sure i could be able to get more FPS in the old sempron with the nvidia igp than your netbook 8)
18:04	Calinou	if I don't limit I get 100-200
18:04	andersje	my PC runs > 60, but it's a big PC.
18:05	Calinou	no need for a big PC today
18:05	DanDuncombe	I have around 20 nodes view distance
18:05	Calinou	celeron G1610 + GTX 650 will do fine, and I don't call that "big PC" :P
18:05	andersje	well, a gtx650 is nothing to bark at
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18:05	DanDuncombe	And what are the moretrees dependencies of technic, please???
18:05	andersje	Calinou: my sons absolutely adore your mithril stuff, btw
18:05	andersje	and the tin blocks, et al
18:05	andersje	they're bummed that those didn't make it into core game.
18:06	Calinou	:D
18:08	DanDuncombe	Does Technic actually need moretrees?
18:08	andersje	DanDuncombe: have you grep'd through the lua files for references to moretrees?
18:09	DanDuncombe	I am right now
18:09	* Calinou	also runs xubuntu 13.04
18:09	Calinou	it's what chromium is to chrome :>
18:10	DanDuncombe	It seems Technic doesn't need moretrees at all.
18:10	andersje	I've managed to keep my kids on minetest up until now ,but my youngest just got a licensed copy of minecraft for his birthday, so I'm going to have to step up my "Install All The Mods" game on the various minetest worlds.
18:11	ShadowNinja	DanDuncombe: It needs it for rubber trees.
18:11	DanDuncombe	But it already has rubber tree spawn code
18:11	DanDuncombe	And I have added the bool: enable_rubber_tree_generation = true to minetest.conf
18:11	DanDuncombe	SO it should workanyway
18:13	andersje	DanDuncombe: you can also try a more minimal windowmanager on your netbook. fluxbox/openbox should give you better framerates than xfce.
18:14	DanDuncombe	andersje: I haven't heard of any of them.
18:14	andersje	they're old. like, pre-21st century old.
18:14	andersje	but, accordingly, they need very little hardware.
18:15	andersje	openbox/fluxbox still run, and are pretty much maintained, if not expanded
18:15	andersje	hey, is there anyway to tell the origin IP when someone joins a minetest server?
18:16	Calinou	in the console, you can see it
18:16	Calinou	andersje: with compositing off, all the DEs give very similar framerates
18:16	andersje	thx
18:16	Calinou	and if playing with real fullscreen there's no difference
18:16	andersje	good to know
18:16	Calinou	xfce generally has good performance with compositing, but gives more tearing in games for me
18:17	Calinou	more noticeable
18:20	andersje	I tend to run fluxbox or openbox (they're choices for the graphical environment, once oyu do an apt-get install on them) on my netbooks just because they're...well...smaller.
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18:26	DanDuncombe	Why do I always spawn in deserts?!
18:26	Peacock	because camels
18:26	Peacock	i wish i could spawn in desserts, new york cheesecake is my favourite
18:27	DanDuncombe	When there is a 'getbool' in lua, is the correct way to enable it 'bool_name_here = true' in minetest.conf?
18:27	khonkhortisan	You can write a small script that creates a world, starts minetest, asks you if it's a desert, then recreates the world and restarts minetest if it is
18:27	Peacock	well you can just worldedit the desert to grass too lol
18:28	Peacock	or change the frequency of deserts in mapgen.lua
18:28	DanDuncombe	Also, can I have moretrees without lag?
18:28	Peacock	yeah, disable the ongen portion, make them spawn using after_place_node
18:29	DanDuncombe	Is there a simple way of doing it?
18:29	Peacock	how much simpler does it need to be?
18:29	DanDuncombe	Basically, can I have technic without moretrees-based lag?
18:29	Peacock	remove the dependency from the list
18:29	DanDuncombe	But then I can't get rubber...
18:29	Peacock	find or create another source of rubber
18:29	DanDuncombe	Or
18:30	DanDuncombe	I will make cactus drop rubber as well as cactus
18:30	Peacock	do the little green weeds give anything? make those drop rubber
18:30	DanDuncombe	Ok
18:30	Peacock	cactus could drop peyotle lol
18:31	DanDuncombe	Cactus rubber FTW lol.
18:31	Peacock	a bunch of passed out, trippy SAMS ensues lol
18:31	DanDuncombe	Can I make cactus drop rubber AND cactus?
18:31	Peacock	yeah
18:31	Peacock	look at the default leaves, that drops two items
18:31	DanDuncombe	Ok
18:32	Peacock	i do wish there was a simpler, light mod that combines elements of technic and mesecons
18:32	Peacock	running either would kill my performance
18:33	DanDuncombe	What is the name of raw latex? technic:raw_latex?
18:34	Peacock	dont know
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18:34	DanDuncombe	BlockMen, what is the code name for technic latex?
18:35	PenguinDad	DanDuncombe: look in the code :P
18:35	BlockMen	DanDuncombe, dunno
18:36	DanDuncombe	I can't find it in the code
18:38	Miner_48er	use the search box at the top of the page
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18:38	DanDuncombe	Rubber is technic:rubber
18:38	DanDuncombe	But is latex technic:raw_latex?
18:39	Miner_48er	https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic/blob/2c0c98185ec8f381ba5a4a6c1779565d257dacca/technic/tools/tree_tap.lua
18:39	DanDuncombe	Ah, technic:raw_latex
18:40	DanDuncombe	Well, I have removed moretrees dependency with my homemade mod,'cactus_rubber'
18:40	Sokomine	oh, the celeron does fine by itshelf already :-) don't really need an extra graphics card for minetest
18:41	Peacock	lol "the celeron" made me think of "the Picard" from tng lol
18:42	PenguinDad	:D
18:44	Sokomine	farming_plus also has rubber trees. don't know if technic can use them
18:44	sfan5[Mac]	now: compiling Minetest for iOS
18:44	DanDuncombe	I just use cacti now
18:48	DanDuncombe	This is my extensive code for cactus_rubber: http://pastebin.com/hpQs1rU4
18:55	andersje	is there an option to get the minetestserver to log date as well as time to stdout ?
19:01	DanDuncombe	Just had dinner :)
19:02	DanDuncombe	How do I set my leave message?
19:04	sfan5[Mac]	DanDuncombe: what irc client do you use?
19:04	DanDuncombe	I use the website in Firefox
19:07	DanDuncombe	sfan5[Mac]
19:07	DanDuncombe	Sorry
19:07	DanDuncombe	Didn't mean to say that
19:07	sfan5[Mac]	?
19:07	sfan5[Mac]	use a real irc client
19:07	sfan5[Mac]	webchat is not made to be a full-featured client
19:08	BlockMen	current state of new inv-formspec: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/qzliusme46h4cfs/inv_rework4.png
19:08	sfan5[Mac]	BlockMen: nice
19:09	andersje	BlockMen: that looks nice
19:10	BlockMen	thx. best is that it is kinda costumizable
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19:11	andersje	will that break inventory+ and inventory++ then?
19:11	BlockMen	nope
19:11	andersje	yay!
19:13	DanDuncombe	Is it gloopores that make normal ores spawn in deserts?
19:15	PenguinDad	Yes
19:15	DanDuncombe	K
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19:16	DanDuncombe	Who thinks 'THEGGABOOK77' is a weird name?
19:19	Evergreen	Md
19:19	Evergreen	*me
19:20	Evergreen	Also, why does he have to use red, underlibe, and bold in every topic he posts
19:20	Evergreen	It make me gag, awful graphic design
19:21	Evergreen	If you are going to use color, use it correctly
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19:23	DanDuncombe	He uses huge, red and blue letters, and states the obvious. He is also in love with capitals.
19:24	Miner_48er	what does buggy caves mean?
19:25	LazyJ	In the minetest.conf.example
19:25	LazyJ	buggy caves is mentioned in one of the config tweaks. How buggy?
19:25	Miner_48er	num_emerge_threads =
19:26	andersje	will mobf and mobs co-exist?
19:26	DanDuncombe	Yes they can
19:26	andersje	woot!
19:26	DanDuncombe	Incredibly laggy though
19:26	DanDuncombe	And mobf crashes Minetest at night
19:27	sfan5[Mac]	minetest for iOS comppiling...
19:27	sfan5[Mac]	-p
19:27	DanDuncombe	Can someone close this? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106382#p106382
19:28	Calinou	he should host an AMA on reddit
19:28	* Calinou	gallops away
19:28	BlockMen	sfan5, minetest for iOS?
19:28	BlockMen	that works?
19:28	andersje	so mobf is highly unreliable?
19:28	sfan5[Mac]	Irrlicht works fine on iOS
19:29	sfan5[Mac]	do why shouldn't Minetest work?
19:29	Calinou	would sound work?
19:29	Calinou	not that needed, but still
19:30	DanDuncombe	mobf is good, but has many bugs
19:30	sfan5[Mac]	there is AL on iOS too
19:30	sfan5[Mac]	so yes
19:30	DanDuncombe	Is there a fix for the inventory-image bug?
19:30	sfan5[Mac]	curl and gettext should also work
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19:32	DanDuncombe	Please can a moderator close this? Genuinely? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6971
19:33	Calinou	lol
19:35	sfan5[Mac]	!title
19:35	MinetestBot	sfan5[Mac]: Forum message â€” Minetest Forums
19:36	Miner_48er	!help
19:36	MinetestBot	https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
19:38	ShadowNinja	sfan5[Mac]: Required arguments are enclosed in { and }, optional arguments are enclosed in [ and ] <-- Shouldn't it be <> and []?
19:41	DanDuncombe	Why is technic so laggy?
19:42	DanDuncombe	It is damn annoying.
19:43	ShadowNinja	DanDuncombe: It has a whoe bunch of ABMs, and it traverses the entire network on every step. BTW, can you test the 'rewrite' branch?
19:43	DanDuncombe	Are you asking me to test the rewrite branch?
19:44	DanDuncombe	or someone else?
19:44	DanDuncombe	Wait... I remove dirt from my inventory, and boom. framerate goes up loads. I hate dirt.
19:45	sfan5[Mac]	ShadowNinja: if I used < and > I would've needed to escape everything
19:45	Miner_48er	sfan5[Mac] minetestbot is missing a license
19:46	sfan5[Mac]	hm, right
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19:46	ShadowNinja	DanDuncombe: Yes, I am asking you to test the rewrite branch.
19:46	andersje	why would dirt hork up your framerate?
19:46	DanDuncombe	Okay. Branch of what mod?
19:46	ShadowNinja	DanDuncombe: Of technic.
19:47	DanDuncombe	Okay, will do now.
19:47	ShadowNinja	DanDuncombe: Make sure to backup your world first, just in case.
19:47	DanDuncombe	BTW, what is the difference between normal and 'rewrite'?
19:48	ShadowNinja	DanDuncombe: I rewrote the way a lot of machines worked, fixed coding style, make the code a lot smaller, etc.
19:48	BlockMen	sfan5, havent thought that irrlicht works on iOS. but cool :)
19:48	DanDuncombe	Okay. I will try it now.
19:48	ShadowNinja	I also fixed some bugs.
19:49	DanDuncombe	How up to date is it compared to master?
19:49	PenguinDad	ShadowNinja: does that mean it is faster?
19:50	DanDuncombe	ShadowNinja: You say it is more compact code, yet the overall file is bigger. Why?
19:51	ShadowNinja	DanDuncombe: Id may be slightly faster, but I didn't do a lot with the slow code yet. Not sure what you mean by that.
19:51	ShadowNinja	120 files changed, 5690 insertions(+), 7977 deletions(-)
19:52	DanDuncombe	I mean, it is around 1/100th mb bigger in size
19:53	DanDuncombe	World loading time seems to be about the same.
19:53	DanDuncombe	FPS is about the same
19:53	ShadowNinja	Are there any unknown nodes?
19:54	ShadowNinja	(I didn't change performance much. This is more of a backend change)
19:55	ShadowNinja	The supply converter was removed because it has big issues. But everything else should be converted to the new nodenames.
19:55	ShadowNinja	(Or aliased)
19:55	DanDuncombe	I don't think there are unknown nodes.
19:55	DanDuncombe	Yeah, the supply converter never worked :p
19:55	ShadowNinja	Alright, tell me if you notice any issues.
19:56	DanDuncombe	I will keep testing it.
19:57	andersje	so...with cornernote having gone, is "bags" abandonware now?
19:57	Calinou	he is "gone" since september 2012
19:57	andersje	yeah, I know
19:57	Calinou	feel free to take over, it's GPL
19:57	andersje	okay, I'll fork and publish the danged thing
19:57	andersje	because I _like_ that mod
19:58	DanDuncombe	Wrenches are so awesome
19:58	DanDuncombe	Unlimited storage :)
19:58	Calinou	nothing beats a gunslinger, DanDuncombe
19:58	Calinou	</TF2>
19:59	DanDuncombe	Haha lol
19:59	ShadowNinja	andersje: Unified Inventory includes bags.
20:00	Evergreen	If nolan ever comes on here again, I'm just going to !ignore him
20:00	Evergreen	!ignore nolan
20:00	Evergreen	Whoops.
20:00	Evergreen	I wish you could do that when they aren't online
20:01	PenguinDad	you have to /ignore not !ignore
20:01	Evergreen	Thanks
20:02	andersje	ShadowNinja: thanks, I'm looking at that.
20:02	VanessaE	hi all
20:03	DanDuncombe	ShadowNinja: When placing a HV solar array on top of a HV wire, Mt crashed without an error.
20:03	andersje	hello :)
20:04	Calinou	Evergreen: why do you hate him? :/
20:04	DanDuncombe	ShadowNinja- the error was in function add_node
20:04	VanessaE	DanDuncombe: regarding moretrees, just edit (minetestfolder)/worlds/(worldfolder)/moretrees_settings.lua and disable all of the trees except for rubber.
20:04	Evergreen	Wait, let me change that, I don't hate him, I just dislike him. :P
20:04	VanessaE	er moretrees_settings.txt or whatever I called it
20:04	DanDuncombe	VanessaE: I just made a recipe for cactus->latex
20:05	DanDuncombe	And removed moretrees
20:05	VanessaE	why?
20:05	DanDuncombe	Even just rubber trees is far too laggy
20:05	ShadowNinja	DanDuncombe: You need a recent version of Minetest. I think 0.4.7 will do.
20:05	DanDuncombe	ShadowNinja: I have very latest github
20:05	VanessaE	DanDuncombe: impossible. rubber trees are barely larger than the default ones
20:06	ShadowNinja	DanDuncombe: Past the full error message.
20:06	ShadowNinja	(In a pastebin)
20:06	VanessaE	you need a better video card if you're having that much of a performance drain
20:06	Calinou	he has a netbook
20:06	Vazon_	Dan could you tell me the last thing you did before my server shut down plz
20:06	VanessaE	a netbook!?
20:07	VanessaE	no wonder.
20:07	VanessaE	netbooks are not suitable for gaming at all
20:07	DanDuncombe	Vazon: I was walking along the path to spawn and it just shut down.
20:07	Vazon_	Ok well im sorry i will check out the problem but its back up
20:07	DanDuncombe	Cool
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20:07	Calinou	I gave up playing Minetest on my netbook, better do it on my desktop :P
20:08	DanDuncombe	I don't have a desktop
20:08	Vazon_	I do but i run my server off of my labtop
20:08	DanDuncombe	I have to go for a bit now
20:09	Vazon_	Omg i have got to find out how to get my server on the public server list
20:10	Calinou	laptops don't make for good server machines
20:11	VanessaE	Vazon_: here's how I did it on my server: http://pastebin.com/rvwYjvGx
20:11	Vazon_	Mine runs perfect and it has a ton of mods but the only problem problem im haveing is geting it on serverlist
20:11	VanessaE	Vazon_: be sure your build has cURL support.
20:11	VanessaE	put an appropriate variation of that ^^^^ in your minetest.conf
20:12	Vazon_	Yes i have that but it doesnt post it on the list
20:12	VanessaE	then you don't have cURL support in your build
20:12	Vazon_	Could you plz explain what that means then
20:12	Vazon_	wait i have to have a url set on it?
20:13	VanessaE	it's a library used to fetch stuff from the web (or in this case, to put stuff on the master server list)
20:13	VanessaE	if your minetest is not build with support for that library, or if it's too old to support it at all, the public server list and the announce functions will not work.
20:13	VanessaE	built*
20:13	Miner_48er	4.7
20:14	Vazon_	well i have 4.7 stable and the newest build(not that great)
20:14	VanessaE	4.7 dfoesn't exist.
20:14	Calinou	0.4.7, not 4.7
20:14	VanessaE	ZERO POINT FOUR POINT zeven.
20:14	VanessaE	seven*
20:14	Vazon_	sorry i always for get 0.4.7
20:14	andersje	is there a way to send a message to a minetest world from the command line of the machine running the world?
20:14	VanessaE	andersje: not directly.
20:14	Calinou	honestly, the 0 doesn't make much sense
20:14	andersje	thx VanessaE
20:14	VanessaE	there is a mod that can do it, after a fashion
20:14	Calinou	4.7 would be better, and just increment it to 10.something when you're over 9 :P
20:15	Miner_48er	how long til 1.0.0?
20:15	Calinou	when it's done
20:15	Vazon_	yes i agree Calinou
20:15	VanessaE	Miner_48er: at the current rate? about 50 years :P
20:15	Jordach	the average version bump is 2-4 months
20:15	Calinou	minor version bump takes a lot more time
20:15	VanessaE	that's for the patch level
20:15	Jordach	so, 6/4/3/2 releases per yer
20:15	Jordach	year*
20:15	Calinou	it requires a new big feature
20:15	VanessaE	minor bumps are what, about a year apart on average?
20:16	Calinou	probably
20:16	andersje	VanessaE: do you remember the mod name? I admin the worlds over ssh when I'm at work, and it'd be nice to be able to send my sons messages ingame
20:16	VanessaE	andersje: sorry, no I don't.
20:16	andersje	no worries.
20:16	andersje	I'll dig through the forums later.
20:20	Miner_48er	andersje irc mod, create an irc server and create tunnel through ssh?
20:20	Vazon_	VanessaE here is my minetest server config could you tell me whats wrong
20:20	andersje	Miner_48er: that's not a bad idea.
20:20	Vazon_	http://pastebin.com/4KKYzBn4
20:21	Vazon_	Btw miner i downloaded the irc mod but idk how to config it the the server
20:21	VanessaE	Vazon_: these are in minetest.conf and not minetest.conf.example , right?
20:21	Jordach	it requires a special version of the minetest engine
20:21	Vazon_	Yes
20:22	VanessaE	server_address = localhost
20:22	VanessaE	that's your problem.
20:22	Vazon_	Well what sould it be
20:22	VanessaE	this needs to be the IP address or domain name of your server as seen by the outside world.
20:22	Vazon_	Ok so put my server name there
20:22	VanessaE	what's your server name>
20:22	andersje	Vazon_: well, your externally routable IP or DNS name
20:22	Vazon_	Vazon's Survival Server
20:22	VanessaE	no
20:23	VanessaE	your IP address or domain name.
20:23	Vazon_	ok i will put my ip there then
20:23	VanessaE	if I wanted to connect to your server, where would I go?
20:23	andersje	are you using afraid.org or dyndns.com for name resolution?
20:23	Miner_48er	75.216.194.132
20:23	Vazon_	sorry its hard to explain all of the details on on my server page on forums
20:23	VanessaE	ok, use that IP address if it's static.
20:23	VanessaE	also,
20:23	VanessaE	#server_announce = 0 announces the server to the server list, 1 turns it off
20:23	VanessaE	server_announce = 0
20:23	VanessaE	this is wrong.
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20:24	VanessaE	the server_announce setting is wrong.
20:24	Vazon_	well it says 1 is off
20:24	VanessaE	1 enables, 0 disables.
20:24	Vazon_	ok well then its backwords i had it set to 1 but i thought that was the problem
20:25	VanessaE	the upstream copy of minetest.conf.example does not say to use 0 to enable it.
20:25	Vazon_	ok
20:25	VanessaE	anyhow, change it to 1, and put your IP address in the server_address line
20:25	proller	do not touch server_address = - its will set automaticly
20:25	Vazon_	ok i did
20:25	VanessaE	proller: incorrect.
20:26	Vazon_	lol who is captian miner they just jioned my server
20:26	andersje	proller: a machine behind a firewall has to go through some hoops to figure out it's outside address.
20:26	andersje	ah, the joys of NAT =)
20:26	DanDuncombe\|away	Vazon, may I please have giveme privelege on your server,so I can make a machine shop?
20:26	proller	VanessaE, more correct if you not use dns name
20:26	Vazon_	ummm hold on idk
20:27	VanessaE	proller: well I suppose if you have a static IP it might be able to find it, or not, but I expect most people use DNS
20:27	proller	andersje, host must be reachabe, nat'ed hosts without port forwarding filtered by masterserver
20:27	DanDuncombe	Please Vazon?
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20:27	Vazon_	Dan im goin to restart the server to see if my changes worked ok
20:27	andersje	I'd go with a DNS, even on a static IP'd server -- since "static" ips still get changed from time to time
20:27	DanDuncombe	Ok
20:27	andersje	granted, the changes aren't often, but...that's why DNS exists
20:28	andersje	so you don't have to remeber x.y.z.w, you just have to remember vazonskickassmtserver.dyndns.com
20:28	VanessaE	not to mention DNS is easier to... yeah
20:28	proller	no problem with changing ip, just leave server_address commented
20:29	Vazon_	ok hold on wait you all just confused me
20:29	Miner_48er	it's a static ip with port 30000 forwarded
20:30	DanDuncombe	Vazon, may I have the giveme priv please?
20:30	Vazon_	ok what item do you want?
20:31	MinetestBot	GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Fix umlauts/special character issue in lua gettext 78ea818aaf 2013-08-19T13:23:41-07:00 http://git.io/8Psr3A
20:31	DanDuncombe	Vazon, can I have the priv because I need many many Items
20:32	Miner_48er	work for them?
20:32	* andersje	snickers
20:32	andersje	I have this same discussion with my eight year old all the time.
20:32	DanDuncombe	No. I need things like 1000 grinders, 1000 nuclear reactors etc
20:33	andersje	!
20:33	DanDuncombe	1000 other assorted expensive items
20:33	Miner_48er	why?
20:33	andersje	are you building a Battlestar or something?
20:33	Vazon_	i am not giveing you that there are glitched items that if you spawn that will crash the server and are very hard to fix
20:33	DanDuncombe	To put in the shops, for a Machinery shop
20:33	DanDuncombe	Grinders and stuff work
20:33	DanDuncombe	Only voltage changers are broken as far as I know
20:33	Vazon_	if you like i can build shops for uncraftable items others you can go get your self
20:34	Miner_48er	why would you need a thousand?
20:34	DanDuncombe	In case 1000 people want one
20:34	DanDuncombe	Vazon, can we chat in-game?
20:34	Vazon_	Dan no miner had the server down for like 15 min before i could get the fix the dang forcefield
20:35	DanDuncombe	To start with,can I have 1000 circle stone bricks for my 'special offer'shop?
20:35	DanDuncombe	And maybe stuff like nyancats to put on sale.
20:35	Vazon_	Dan how bad is you lag?
20:35	DanDuncombe	None at all right now
20:35	Vazon_	Nyancats are a no they are rare for a reason
20:35	andersje	1000 people? has anyone's server seen that many users?
20:35	kaeza	I don't know if I want to kill this guy or kill this guy: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106391#p106391
20:35	sfan5[Mac]	!title
20:36	MinetestBot	sfan5[Mac]: A serialization error occurred (Page 1) â€” Bugs and Problems â€” Minetest Forums
20:36	DanDuncombe	But they would be 20,000 money each, Vazon
20:36	Vazon_	dan no
20:36	DanDuncombe	Can I please just have /giveme? Please?
20:37	DanDuncombe	I can't really use the menu because of the wrong textures bug.
20:37	Vazon_	Dan i do not want this to be a server that someone asked for it they get it so no
20:37	DanDuncombe	I will just close down my shops then.
20:38	DanDuncombe	I can't keep them supplied manually.
20:38	Miner_48er	buy from others?
20:38	DanDuncombe	Can I at least have shops for non-craftable items?
20:38	Vazon_	I will set some up
20:39	andersje	Dan: you can always fire up a Micro EC2 instance on amazon -- it's free for the first year.
20:39	andersje	you could put ubuntu + minetestserver on it, and they give you a free IP address.
20:39	andersje	then you could have full permissions
20:40	Miner_48er	or start your own server on your pc
20:40	Vazon_	Yes
20:40	DanDuncombe	Vazon, can you give me the shops and items and I will set them up
20:40	andersje	Miner_48er: he has a netbook.
20:40	Vazon_	Im comeing to set some up now
20:41	VanessaE	kahrl: poke
20:42	andersje	I've been lurking on the forums for a while, since last fall... did Cornernote just go off the deep end with his vegetarian stuff?
20:42	VanessaE	yup
20:42	andersje	I missed the little blowout he had
20:42	VanessaE	dunno why either
20:42	andersje	meh.
20:42	andersje	probably starvation
20:42	andersje	that'll drive you nuts
20:42	VanessaE	I likes my dead pig/cow/chicken. :)
20:43	andersje	I know I'd lose it if someone took away my bacon
20:43	* VanessaE	takes away andersje's bacon all for herself :P_
20:43	VanessaE	:P
20:43	andersje	doh!
20:44	* andersje	disregards carbs; hoards fat and protein.
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20:51	ShadowNinja	sfan5[Ma_: Can't you connect to your BNC?
20:52	sfan5[Ma_	I don't want to set up my BNC with LimeChat because I dont use it often
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20:56	DanDuncombe	Lol Vazon knows how I have so much money on his server now :)
20:56	ShadowNinja	59 bans/quiets? I thought the max was 50, and shared between b/i/e/q.
20:56	Vazon_	Dan im revokeing most of it
20:56	DanDuncombe	Why Vazon? It was legitimate
20:57	ShadowNinja	And we don't have +L...
20:57	Vazon_	yes i no but that is un fair i will let you keep all but 40000
20:57	DanDuncombe	So you are removing 40000 of my money? Not fair
20:58	DanDuncombe	Why?
20:58	Vazon_	Cuase to keep it fair
20:58	DanDuncombe	I got it legitimately
20:58	Vazon_	but the take command is glitched right now
20:58	Vazon_	that is what shut it down
20:58	Miner_48er	/money set Dan amount
20:58	Vazon_	ok
20:59	Miner_48er	/money dec Dan amount
20:59	Vazon_	Miner do you think what imdoing is fair?
20:59	VanessaE	bbl
20:59	Miner_48er	yes
20:59	Vazon_	he should be glad im leaving him with like 8000
21:00	BlockMen	bye everyone
21:01	preludelinux	hello everyone
21:04	Vazon_	really
21:04	DanDuncombe	I am glad :)
21:04	Vazon_	Omg Captiong
21:05	DanDuncombe	I guess it was kinda unfair :)
21:05	Vazon_	Omg dang him
21:05	DanDuncombe	I shouldna boasted about the money :)
21:05	DanDuncombe	Soz
21:06	DanDuncombe	I just found out one of my shops was backwards as well:)
21:06	Vazon_	he messed with the lava and he just burned down my forest
21:06	DanDuncombe	Who did?
21:06	Vazon_	captionminer
21:07	DanDuncombe	K
21:07	DanDuncombe	I need to go now.
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21:07	Vazon_	Miner
21:08	kaeza	bmp is good for something?
21:08	kaeza	yey
21:08	kaeza	thexyz, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106402#p106402
21:08	kaeza	saved 24 bytes compared to PNG :P
21:09	Peacock	not bad, i can get my wife to make coffee by playing Chuck Mangione XD
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21:17	Vazon_	there Dan has been added to future ban
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21:31	SegFault22	um... the Minetest release at Minetest.net, for Ubuntu 12.04, doesn't have a BIN folder?...
21:32	PilzAdam	what?
21:33	PilzAdam	doesnt it link to the PPA?
21:33	SegFault22	...?
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21:33	DanDuncombe	Is Vazon_ there?
21:33	Vazon_	Yes i here -.-
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21:34	DanDuncombe	I can't connect 2 the server
21:34	Vazon_	yes your banned
21:34	DanDuncombe	Why?
21:34	SegFault22	It may be different for Linux. How is Minetest started from Linux?
21:34	SegFault22	You*re
21:34	DanDuncombe	Why was I banned?
21:34	Vazon_	i looked at the rollback to see who cuased the lava spill and placed the fire and you did
21:35	DanDuncombe	I placed dirt to get in your castle.
21:35	PilzAdam	SegFault22, there are different ways, you can add the PPA to your package manager and install it like every other package for your distro
21:35	DanDuncombe	I can't see lava or water on your server because of a bug.
21:35	DanDuncombe	So please unban me
21:35	PenguinDad	SegFault22: run in place or not?
21:35	Vazon_	Yes which cuase the lava spill you should have asked
21:35	PilzAdam	SegFault22, or you build it yourself, its very easy on Linux
21:36	SegFault22	I am confused. I just installed Ubuntu yeesterday.
21:36	DanDuncombe	But I couldn't see the lava spill
21:36	Vazon_	everyone else can see the lava
21:36	DanDuncombe	I can't. If you unban me I'll do a screenshot
21:37	DanDuncombe	I am using a newer client than you, I believe it's a known bug.
21:37	Vazon_	ok
21:37	Vazon_	well im clearing objects right now
21:37	DanDuncombe	I think it has been reported on the forum
21:37	PilzAdam	SegFault22, do you know how to install programs with the package manager?
21:37	DanDuncombe	It is a bit like this Vazon: http://i.imgur.com/HfB9K.png
21:38	DanDuncombe	I can't see most liquid
21:38	SegFault22	What are other names for this package manager? As I have heard nothing of such a device.
21:38	Vazon_	ok
21:39	PilzAdam	SegFault22, I think its called "Software center" in the GUI
21:39	DanDuncombe	Also, Vazon, can you please install the prefab mod?
21:40	Vazon_	Idk
21:40	SegFault22	Yes. Well, I did not use that. I simply downloaded the .tar.gz archve, and unpacked it like normal.
21:40	PilzAdam	SegFault22, I suggest you to read about how to use ubuntu properly
21:40	SegFault22	-.-
21:41	PenguinDad	apt-get moo :D
21:41	DanDuncombe	SHouldn't that be sudo apt-get moo?
21:41	SegFault22	I'll figure it out myself.
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21:42	PenguinDad	Dan: you don't change anything on the system
21:47	DanDuncombe	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106417#p106417
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21:50	PenguinDad	whirm was long here ^^
21:50	SegFault22	due to the fact that there is almost 0 documentation anywhere on the internet for running Minetest, I've come here for answers.
21:52	DanDuncombe	What is the ip and port or Jordach's LogoSkyBlock server?
21:52	SegFault22	Using Ubuntu (Linux) OS 12.04, how is Minetest started after proper installation (unpacking the downloaded archive to anywhere)?
21:53	PenguinDad	how did you download it?
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21:54	SegFault22	From minetest.net, downloaded the .tar.gz archive
21:54	SegFault22	there is no bin folder, which folder do I look in for what script/file to activate, which will start minetest? Or is mineteest in linux a terminal-based?
21:55	PenguinDad	i really don
21:55	PilzAdam	SegFault22, downloading a tar.gz is not a "proper installation" in ubuntu
21:55	PenguinDad	i really don't know where the archive is on the site :/
21:56	DanDuncombe	Who likes RealTest game?
21:56	SegFault22	Then you need to fix your Minetest.net, because that is what I was lead to do from there.
21:56	Evergreen	*doh
21:56	PilzAdam	open a terminal and copy and paste this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install minetestc55
21:57	SegFault22	Okay.
21:57	PenguinDad	and then minetest
21:59	SegFault22	I do hope this isn't installing to multiple separate, distant directories, because I plan to move all Minetest files to my extra hard-disk-drive (mounted)
21:59	PilzAdam	it installs it
22:00	PilzAdam	so dont do it if you want it all in one folder
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22:00	SegFault22	-.- But let me guess, there is no alternative to that, except unstable(unusable)-dev.
22:00	PilzAdam	("install" in ubuntu means move the executable to /urs/bin/ and other stuff to /usr/share/
22:00	PilzAdam	+)
22:01	PilzAdam	if you want a RUN_IN_PLACE version (i.e. everything in one directory) then download the stable source here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/archive/stable-0.4.zip and build it (follow the instructions in the README)
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22:02	sfan5	good nigh
22:02	sfan5	t
22:02	Vazon_	Seg what you been up to i havent seen you on my server latly?
22:02	PenguinDad	night sfan5
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22:03	SegFault22	I see. thank you.
22:03	SegFault22	you've been helpful.
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22:03	PilzAdam	SegFault22, follow the instructions here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/stable-0.4/README.txt#L83 but skip the "Download source" part, since you want the stable source
22:03	SegFault22	And which version is that?
22:03	PilzAdam	latest stable
22:04	SegFault22	I see. thank you.
22:04	SegFault22	I'll have the server up today, hopefully.
22:04	Vazon_	Pilz what version is that?
22:04	PilzAdam	0.4.7
22:04	Vazon_	Seg you made you own server?
22:04	SegFault22	Not yet, but soon.
22:05	Vazon_	Cool i cant get mine of the server list i have tried everything
22:05	SegFault22	I don't like hunting ecube, and do not really like participating in other, ''mostlly unknown'' servers found with 0/100 players online...
22:05	SegFault22	(most of the list, haha)
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22:06	SegFault22	So I will be making my own server.
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22:16	SegFault22	The application Minetest has closed unexppectedly. (when running from applictions list)
22:17	PilzAdam	run it from the terminal and look at the output
22:18	SegFault22	I will go trudge through mountains off minecrafft-spam and look for the terminal command...
22:18	PilzAdam	terminal means console
22:18	PilzAdam	where you copied that command I gave you
22:19	SegFault22	I know what a terminal is -.-
22:19	SegFault22	Just gotta go find the command to Run minetest
22:19	PilzAdam	oh, then just type minetest in it
22:19	SegFault22	oh okay. It's reallyy that simple?
22:20	PilzAdam	well, if you have a RUN_IN_PLACE version then you have to type the full path to the executable
22:20	PilzAdam	e.g. if you are in the Minetest folder then: bin/minetest
22:20	SegFault22	Irrlicht Engine version 1.7.2 Linux 3.5.0-37-generic #58~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jul 10 17:51:56 UTC 2013 i686 Creating X window... Visual chosen: : 133 X Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) From call : unknown X Error: GLXBadContext From call : unknown Segmentation fault (core dumped)
22:21	SegFault22	And I couldn't get the run_in_plaace compilation to work, when downloading dependencies, due to permissions error.
22:22	PilzAdam	well, you have to add "sudo" in front of the apt-get line to run it as root
22:22	SegFault22	I see. About running the installed version,...
22:23	PilzAdam	do you want to run the client or a server?
22:23	SegFault22	Client for now, but later I want to run a server.
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22:25	PilzAdam	"At times, these messages appear on machines that do not have hardware-accelerated OpenGL support." what hardware do you have?
22:27	SegFault22	WHat hardware? Do you mean, RAM/processor/etc. or the company that made it?...
22:28	PilzAdam	RAM, CPU and graphics card
22:29	SegFault22	I know that I have 1023MB RAM, amd an Intel Pentium 4 Processor - but the graphics card, I have yet to figure out.
22:30	SegFault22	I had to refurbish the computer with parts from 3 others and there is no dooccumentation that I know of, for the graphics card.
22:30	Uberi	what motherboard?
22:30	kaeza	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=106416#p106416
22:31	SegFault22	Motherboard?
22:31	Uberi	yeah
22:31	PilzAdam	kaeza, aks him why he is so stupid
22:31	PenguinDad	kaeza: plol
22:32	kaeza	Jordach copycat? :P
22:32	SegFault22	It's a Silicon plate with gold wires and circuit parts. that's all I know.
22:33	SegFault22	But the prcessor, is an Intel Pentium 4.
22:33	PilzAdam	SegFault22, lspci \| grep VGA
22:33	kaeza	SegFault22, open up a terminal (Ctrl+Shift+T) and type "lspci \| grep VGA"
22:33	kaeza	ninja'd :P
22:34	SegFault22	I see. (I know how to open the terminal... -.- )
22:34	Uberi	SegFault22: are there any wierd numbers or letters on it? any alien hieroglyphics?
22:34	SegFault22	00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01)
22:34	Vazon_	Pilz
22:35	Vazon_	I have a ?
22:36	PilzAdam	SegFault22, try updating your video driver
22:37	Uberi	the product is discontinued, the drivers were taken off the website
22:37	SegFault22	o.o
22:37	Uberi	I had the same thing with my old old 945GM
22:37	PilzAdam	SegFault22, well, no luck for you then
22:37	Vazon_	Pilz i think im going to change from windows to linux but will id delete my stuff?
22:37	PilzAdam	a server would still run, though
22:38	SegFault22	Fine. that is all I need.
22:38	PenguinDad	good night
22:38	PilzAdam	Vazon_, there are ways to have a dualboot for Linux and windows, this will keep your data
22:38	PilzAdam	but this is not a Linux help channel
22:38	PilzAdam	SegFault22, minetestserver is your friend then
22:39	SegFault22	Yes
22:39	Vazon_	Yes i No i was just asking
22:39	SegFault22	It will delete everythng, to make space for Linux. Suggestion: move your files to a RW disc/Flashdrive and put them back in when Linux is ready
22:40	Vazon_	ok
22:40	SegFault22	And look up the rest,, because this is not Linux help channel.
22:40	PilzAdam	hm? why would you delete everythign when installing Linux?
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22:41	SegFault22	You could do a paralell-installation, but in the future, Microsooft may make an Update that trashes the Hard-ddrive if it detects an opensource/free OS like Linux
22:41	SegFault22	So a complete replacement is recommended.
22:42	kaeza	O_o
22:42	kaeza	{{cn}}
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22:43	SegFault22	Well, if the system is trashed, there is no way to get proof that it was them, and they could make it do the samee thing if the files doing that are found or atttempted to be opened...
22:44	SegFault22	They could just say that the person tampered with windows files and or tried to copy the files to duplicate tthe OS...
22:44	Uberi	people would figure out that correlation pretty darn quick
22:45	SegFault22	I must go now. Setting up minetestserver will be done later.
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22:46	Kacey	hey guys, any suggestions as to what mods i should put in my ftb pack?
22:47	kaeza	ftb?
22:47	Kacey	feed the beast
22:47	Uberi	mesecons, worldedit, technic, for starters :)
22:47	Uberi	if not technic then at least pipeworks
22:47	Kacey	http://www.feed-the-beast.com/ kaeza
22:48	Kacey	Uberi, i have all of those (plus xytest)
22:48	* kaeza	walks away quietly
22:49	SegFault22	FTB = MINECRAFT. Do not minecraft.
22:49	Uberi	Kacey: how about digilines, beds, boats, carts, 3d_armor?
22:50	Kacey	SegFault22, no, do minecraft, in different way so as to not do minecraft
22:50	SegFault22	how so?
22:51	Kacey	Uberi, i have digilines and beds, carts i will add, boats are a maybe, and idk about 3d_armor. maybe just armor and armor_plus
22:52	Uberi	but 3d_armor is 3D!
22:53	Kacey	so is armor.
22:53	Uberi	what really
22:53	Kacey	and node_gun is going in also
22:54	Kacey	armor is 3d
22:54	Uberi	got a link? all I got is cornernote's abandoned version
22:54	Kacey	not as of current i dont
22:55	Uberi	do you know who made it, perhaps?
22:56	Kacey	nope. all i know is that cornernotes verson is actually 3d
22:56	Uberi	huh, I'm surprised cornernote's version still works with the latest MT
22:57	Kacey	i havent tested yet
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23:11	khonkhortisan	Does any server list mention the number of players?
23:13	sdzen	servers.minetest.net
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23:17	Vazon_	Finally i got my server on the list
23:19	SegFault22	So... setting up the server...
23:20	Vazon_	Seg do you have the format? if not i will give you mine
23:20	SegFault22	Too bad there isn't a single script that can be executed to start the server - everything must be done manually -.-
23:21	SegFault22	Do I have to compile minetest for it too woork?...
23:21	SegFault22	work*
23:22	* Semilevel	is away: 500 Away
23:22	PilzAdam	Semilevel, stop the away messages
23:22	Vazon_	here go here ##Vazon-Server and i will give you the st up
23:23	SegFault22	issue...
23:24	Vazon_	what is it?
23:25	SegFault22	I have yet to do port forwarding, and still have to figure out where the folders are for putting the world-files and player-files.
23:25	Vazon_	o ok yea
23:26	SegFault22	Andanother major issue, wwhen the server is up, will be people doing stuff that I do not approve of, and the Vague-ness thereof, when having to restart the server or do ANYTHING.
23:26	Vazon_	Yes it is alot of work
23:27	SegFault22	Becuase everything must be done with a line of script start-ups and variables ten miles long - even something as simple as starting the server back up.
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23:27	Vazon_	Not mine i can start it back up in secs
23:28	SegFault22	Windows? windows.
23:28	Vazon_	yes
23:28	Vazon_	but that isnt what i did
23:29	SegFault22	The issue is not work loaad - it is dealing with stupid people, dealing with instructions written vaguely by stupid people, and dealing with fallout from that.
23:29	Vazon_	yes i no
23:29	Vazon_	i banned my first person earlyer and he was a good guy
23:30	sdzen	how does the info.txt in a texture pack work?
23:30	sdzen	I am interested
23:30	SegFault22	Even If I were to get everything running, only like two people would join the server, and they wouldstart doing stupid sh*t that I become confused about,...
23:31	Vazon_	Seg then dont do it the only reason im doing it is cuase i love challenges
23:32	SegFault22	I want to do it, because I want a server of my own.
23:32	Vazon_	well ok
23:33	sdzen	could you two please take this to a PM?
23:33	sdzen	it seems more appropriate
23:33	sdzen	thanks in advance :)
23:33	SegFault22	no, because we are discoussing stting up a minetest server.
23:33	SegFault22	Setting*
23:34	sdzen	though you are only discussing it with one other person, and it appears that you know what you are doing for most of it.
23:35	SegFault22	You haven't been online that long. You have noo memory of the previous parts of the conversation.
23:35	SegFault22	no*
23:35	sdzen	no but I am here for the end parts
23:36	sdzen	and I can see that 99% of the conversation is between you and Vazon
23:36	PilzAdam	sdzen, can you move this to PM please, its offtopic
23:36	SegFault22	Return to previous message, looks like you didn't read.
23:36	SegFault22	sdzen
23:37	SegFault22	Now, aboout setting up the server... I need to know wheere I can find the folders where Minetest stores Woorld files, player data files, etc.
23:37	PilzAdam	SegFault22, do you have a RUN_IN_PLACE version now or the PPA?
23:37	Vazon_	Under the worlds files then select the world name then it says players
23:37	SegFault22	PPA
23:38	PilzAdam	in your home directory the hidde folder .minetest contains all this stuff
23:38	PilzAdam	*hidden
23:38	SegFault22	Hiidden folder...
23:39	PilzAdam	yes, in Linux all files and folders starting with a . are hidden
23:39	PilzAdam	to show them select "Show hidden files" in your file browser or use ls -a in a terminal
23:39	PilzAdam	everything else is normal about them
23:39	SegFault22	And why is the minetest folder hidden? doesn't that just make it harder for the user to USE the software?
23:40	PilzAdam	no, thats the common case for user data in Linux
23:40	PilzAdam	nobody wants his user folder spammed with folders full of config data
23:41	SegFault22	Then why not move it all to a sub-folder?
23:42	SegFault22	Epiphany or long reply
23:42	SegFault22	-.- I'll go trudge through the dark looking for how to view such secret folders...
23:43	PilzAdam	moving it to a sub folder woul make paths unnecessary long
23:43	PilzAdam	also the change that noobs fuck up their configs is higher when its not hidden
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23:43	PilzAdam	what? "secret folders"?
23:43	SegFault22	So what if noobs mess up their install? I say ''good riddance''.
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23:44	SegFault22	We need more smart people and less noobs. Folders like that, if left un-hidden, will create an automatic noob-filter that would catch and ragequit-away 90% of them
23:46	SegFault22	And how is that a bad thing?
23:46	SegFault22	Isssue: .minetest folder contains one file: debug.txt - nothing else. Problem, maybe?
23:47	PilzAdam	just create the needed folders
23:47	SegFault22	Which are...?
23:48	PilzAdam	depends what you want
23:48	SegFault22	I see. Do I just throw the .conf in there too? (I pre-maade one for my server)
23:49	PilzAdam	yes
23:49	SegFault22	Ah, thank you.
23:49	PilzAdam	mods go into the mod/ folder, worlds go into the worlds/ folder
23:49	SegFault22	mods/ folder?
23:50	SegFault22	Thank you. you have been very helpful
23:51	SegFault22	I will log-off, to go work on my server's world and stuff, then port it to this computer.
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