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Time Nick Message
00:00 Vazon Miner i need your help im lost
00:02 Jordach VanessaE, http://i.imgur.com/yyFLubN.png
00:03 VanessaE haha
00:03 Jordach blockband :P
00:03 SegFault22 What is :P ?
00:04 Jordach SegFault22, that image
00:04 Jordach VanessaE, i'm going to be rendering 300+ player models
00:04 SegFault22 No, what is the meaning of :P ?
00:04 Jordach SegFault22, close enough to derp
00:05 Jordach PilzAdam, http://i.imgur.com/KbsKkAB.png look at a certain name ;)
00:05 PilzAdam heh
00:05 PilzAdam its still 2 male vs. 1 female name
00:05 Jordach i was thinking of a name, BlockBand, more cheesy of a pun
00:06 Jordach PilzAdam, i merged the name to shut you up :)
00:07 Jordach btw, i finished the mystery render about 4 days ago
00:07 Jordach (it is exactly four days ago :O )
00:08 Jordach btw, we might be going back in time with a time machine :D
00:08 Miner_48er ok
00:09 Miner_48er everything ready?
00:09 Vazon Yes i guess
00:10 Vazon So all we need is for you to put in the file Jordach made for us, btw thank you very much Jordach for the file. :)
00:10 Jordach Vazon, no problem
00:11 Vazon :)
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00:12 Miner_48er ok file changed
00:13 Vazon Ok so that sould be it
00:13 SegFault22 What mods are you using?
00:14 Vazon Money beds node protection moreblocks homedecor ummm that maby all that we have for now
00:14 Vazon O and locks
00:14 Vazon and unifited inventory and thats it
00:15 Miner_48er any suggestions?
00:15 SegFault22 Suggestion: MoreOres
00:15 Vazon Ok
00:15 SegFault22 And mesecons (disable the movestone, it lags horridly)
00:15 Vazon how long till it shows on the list?
00:15 Vazon disable what?
00:16 SegFault22 And mesecons (disable the movestone, it lags horridly)
00:16 Vazon what is movestone?
00:16 Vazon I have never hered of it
00:17 SegFault22 Suggested mesecons mod. Movestone is a stone that moves along a mesecon strip. It can crash/lag pretty bad, so disable it if you use Mesecons in the future
00:17 Vazon o ok thanks
00:17 Vazon for the info
00:18 SegFault22 Could you install moreores too? Most of the popular servers use it, and it adds variety to mining.
00:18 Vazon Yes we will i will do that now why do you want to join?
00:18 SegFault22 Yes. I want to be part of the community.
00:19 Vazon Ok cool we need a few active players
00:19 Vazon what about the technic mod i here it has a ton of lag tho?
00:19 VanessaE hear*
00:19 SegFault22 It does lag extensively sometimes, especially where there are lots of cables/machines
00:19 VanessaE and it doesn't lag as far as I know
00:20 VanessaE works okay on my server
00:20 Vazon Ok i may install that later i will take a poll on the mods people think we should add
00:20 SegFault22 Cool.
00:20 Vazon Yep
00:21 SegFault22 I'll try to join the server now.
00:21 Vazon Well its not up idk why we added the file we was told to add
00:21 Vazon unless you see it
00:21 SegFault22 Have you started the server yet?
00:22 Vazon how do i start it?
00:22 SegFault22 uh... just a sec...
00:22 Vazon Btw we have a messed up spawn at the moment you start in a water fall XD
00:23 SegFault22 http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server has the information. I can not relay it all here.
00:23 Vazon ok
00:23 Vazon Hold on let me finish installing moreores
00:24 SegFault22 okay.
00:24 Vazon Ok that is done lets try to start it
00:26 SegFault22 uhm, I can not connect. Have you done port forwarding?
00:27 Vazon Yes
00:27 Vazon We did that earlyer
00:27 * NekoGloop bites VanessaE
00:27 VanessaE ow
00:27 SegFault22 good. What is the IP/port, again?
00:27 Vazon well that wiki failed
00:27 Vazon o the ip
00:28 SegFault22 How did it fail?
00:28 Vazon Cuase it says that isnt a correct function so yea a fail
00:28 Vazon 75.131.40.131
00:29 SegFault22 have you followed all of the steps at the proper section for your OS?
00:29 Vazon Idk heck with it
00:29 SegFault22 Are you using Windows?
00:30 Vazon Yes
00:30 Miner_48er yes
00:30 Vazon XD Miner u creep
00:30 SegFault22 okay. then have you done the step that says ''Open command prompt by going in the Minetest installation folder, then in the "bin" folder, hold Shift, do a right click on a empty file (not on minetest.exe), click "Open command window here". ''
00:30 Vazon Yes
00:30 SegFault22 and what happened?
00:30 Vazon It told me that is a wrong function
00:31 SegFault22 ...
00:32 Vazon Yep
00:32 Vazon Miner you try
00:32 Menche did you get a black command window?
00:34 SegFault22 the popular kids - er, I mean, server owners, use some kind of automatc script to start/keep up their servers. It's a secret about what it is/does exactly, and it is impossible to get it, so that th minetest community can preserve the select few popular servers they want.
00:35 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Sort modlist alphabetically b94f18298d 2013-08-15T17:09:45-07:00 http://git.io/m5ho6Q
00:35 Menche lol what? i think the server owners write their own script if they use one
00:35 Menche i wrote the one i use
00:36 Menche it won't work on Windows; it uses cron
00:36 SegFault22 See what I mean, Vazon?
00:36 Menche it's not exactly a secret
00:37 SegFault22 It would be better if there was more support for making a server, rather than just for joining one...
00:38 Menche you don't *have* to use the command window to make a server; you can do it directly from minetest
00:38 Menche does your version have a "server" tab at the top?
00:39 SegFault22 Yes, but that makes there be a client that must be connected constantly, and if it disconnects, the server shuts down simultaneously. Nobody wants to have to have a client running, eating CPU power, just to keep the server up 24/7...
00:40 Vazon Ok miner did that cmd thing now what?
00:40 Menche type "minetest.exe --server"
00:40 Vazon we are passed that part we are done with that
00:40 Menche what happened?
00:41 Menche it should have printed out "Minetest" in big ASCII art block letters
00:41 Menche and said something like "listening on port 30000"
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00:41 Vazon we opened the server page and it said annocing it to minetest servers and then nothing happene
00:41 Menche does it show up on the server page? can players join it?
00:42 Vazon No that is the problem
00:42 Menche to see if the server is running, start a client on the same machine and connect to 127.0.0.1
00:43 Vazon O yes i no that
00:43 Menche and does it work?
00:43 Vazon It used to but now it doesnt
00:44 Menche the command in the command window is still running? you don't see a prompt?
00:45 Vazon Now it works
00:46 SegFault22 Attempting to connect...
00:46 Vazon Ok
00:47 Vazon are you on yet?
00:48 SegFault22 attempt failed. Can not connect, because the ''connecting to server...'' stays up indefinitely. Also the server is not in the in-client list
00:48 Vazon Yep see idk whats goin on
00:49 SegFault22 It should be working...
00:49 SegFault22 What's the port, again?
00:49 Miner_48er 30000
00:50 Vazon miner its 3000
00:50 SegFault22 Using the IP and that port, I can not connect. Get Miner_48er to try.
00:50 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Remove debug output 1e4e64f831 2013-08-15T17:48:50-07:00 http://git.io/yoiVXQ
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00:52 Vazon they coud make this just a bit easyer
00:52 Menche can you connect to 127.0.0.1 from the same machine?
00:52 SegFault22 You'd think they could... instead of making it more like Minecraft -.-
00:54 Miner_48er ok the config had the wrong port
00:54 Vazon Yes but now it doenst work anymore
00:55 Menche is the command in the cmd window still running?
00:57 Vazon Ok now its working
00:57 Peacock the command in the command in the command?
00:57 Vazon what da what?
00:58 khonkhortisan is the cmd in the command window still running?
00:58 Peacock http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/22718900.jpg
00:58 Vazon No
01:00 SegFault22 Well, I'm going over to a server. Chattering all day is boring, and I have yet to contact ecube after repeated attempts.
01:00 Vazon Ok
01:01 Vazon Miner are you still there?
01:02 Miner_48er yes
01:02 Vazon well you are free to try anything you like to get it up but i have chores and homework to do ok so i may not be back on till late or tomorrow ok
01:02 Miner_48er ok
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01:07 SegFault22 Just too boring...
01:07 SegFault22 No servers at all that have good community, are survival, have enough people online, and are english (with all of those applying)
01:08 Menche i tried a few; one was griefed to pieces, on was full of empty-but-protected land, and one was unplayably laggy
01:08 Menche gave up after the third
01:08 VanessaE bbl
01:12 Vazon I hope Mine and Miners will interest you guys but firstwe have to get the dang think up XD
01:12 SegFault22 We need a better community,... There's much room for improvement. For a start, we could make everything seem more ''serious'', so that ''u ur i r'' slang is not used often, and more inteligent people may join the community; thus making griefers have less of a place in the community.
01:13 Vazon Xiong has been teaching me to use more proper english so i try
01:14 Vazon well brb miner is working on things
01:18 kaeza There's a fail in the logic here
01:18 SegFault22 Details?
01:20 kaeza first you tell that people keep their "scripts to make the servers" secret because they are too elitist, then you say we should only allow "more intelligent people" here
01:20 kaeza ur logic makes no sense :P
01:21 Menche nobody's asked for my server start scripts :P
01:21 Menche and it won't work on windows anyways
01:21 SegFault22 There's lots of things that need to be changed to make the community better. One of those is offering up an example of such automatic scripts, to allow more variety in servers
01:22 kaeza there are no "automatic scripts"
01:22 Menche i use a script in a crontab to automate starting my server
01:22 SegFault22 -.- Scripts that keep the server UP automatically. Not automatically executed
01:22 Menche does windows have anything equivalent to cron?
01:23 Miner_48er vazon it's up but not showing on the list
01:23 kaeza all you need to know is some shell/batch scripting
01:23 Vazon Well ok maby it needs to get people on it for it to show
01:23 kaeza Menche, I'm pretty sure there is
01:23 Vazon How do i get on?
01:23 SegFault22 Most minetesters don't even know shell/batch, and many of them use Windows.
01:23 kaeza or there used to be on Win98 at least
01:23 PilzAdam SegFault22, have you asked someone to get his script and he refused to give it to you?
01:23 Menche Miner_48er, have you set server_name, server_description, server_address, and server_url?
01:24 Miner_48er idk
01:24 Vazon Yea we have no idea
01:24 Miner_48er i didn't write that script
01:24 SegFault22 Nope, as I don't run a server yet. But when I do, that will happen, unless an example of such scripts is put on the making-a-serfer pakge of the wiki
01:25 Menche you should set at least server_url and port
01:25 Menche (minetest.conf)
01:25 PilzAdam SegFault22, so, you assume that people will hide it from you
01:25 Menche *server_address; server_url is optional iirc
01:25 SegFault22 Nope. I just say that it would be better if people actually knew about it, via the wiki.
01:26 Vazon localhost?
01:26 SegFault22 Rather than half-covering it up, and never telling of it unless someone happens to know what a script is and asks for one...
01:26 PilzAdam so should we also add an tutorial about how to edit a text file? since people have problems with editing minetest.conf
01:27 Menche the majority of servers run on linux, so there probably aren't many server batch files
01:27 Vazon Sorry i do not use linux so yea
01:27 preludelinux good evening everyone
01:28 SegFault22 If that is so needed. Some people don't see that the minetest.conf.example file is a .example file, and just see a ''minetest'' and ''minetest.conf'', so they click ''minetest.conf(.example)''
01:28 Menche because windoze hides random file extensions
01:28 Miner_48er I use a hybrid windows with a linux cmdline
01:28 PilzAdam SegFault22, the point is, we are not here to teach people how to use their OS
01:28 Menche mingw msys? cygwin?
01:28 Miner_48er cygwin
01:29 PilzAdam SegFault22, the problem with minetest.conf and .example is the fact that windows just removes the extention from the filename
01:29 PilzAdam its not a problem of Minetest, or any other game
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01:29 PilzAdam so it is offtopic in a Minetest wiki
01:29 SegFault22 Some OS's are made to cover up the details of programming/etc., so even if they know how to use their OS, the may still have trouble with stuff like the .conf file -.-
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01:29 khonkhortisan SegFault22, if they didn't hide file extensions, that wouldn't happen. It's their fault for not changing the setting.
01:29 Miner_48er 75.131.40.131 30000 Vazon's server
01:29 Menche and that kind of OS isn't the best for a server
01:30 Menche !up 75.131.40.131
01:30 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131:30000 is up (666ms)
01:30 Menche ^^
01:30 Vazon Wait it is Wooo
01:30 SegFault22 :O
01:30 Miner_48er 127 insted of 172
01:30 SegFault22 please ping it again. I don't like that number.
01:31 khonkhortisan !up 75.131.40.131
01:31 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131:30000 is up (284ms)
01:31 SegFault22 Thank you! :D
01:31 preludelinux lol
01:31 SegFault22 I wil lconnect now.
01:31 Menche lol
01:31 Menche the ping of the beast
01:31 Menche when a server gets too many griefers, the ping becomes 666ms...
01:32 kaeza inb4 LandMine joins the server :P
01:32 kaeza crap
01:32 Menche haven't seen that guy around for a while
01:32 kaeza I said his name out loud
01:32 Menche which is a good thing
01:32 Vazon Hay i cant get on ?
01:32 Menche just don't say it 3 times; that summons him
01:33 Miner_48er localhost 30000
01:33 Vazon o ok
01:33 khonkhortisan Now two people will say it for the second time, leading to the magic three-times summon
01:33 Menche localhost:30000 is the greatest server
01:33 Menche lol
01:33 Vazon How is it so great?
01:33 khonkhortisan !up localhost:30000
01:33 MinetestBot khonkhortisan: Invalid Address
01:33 Miner_48er no lag
01:33 kaeza OMG they have my mods!
01:33 Vazon Yes we do
01:33 Menche (that's your own server)
01:34 Vazon Omg i cant get on XD
01:34 khonkhortisan minetestbot doesn't run one
01:34 Menche !up 127.0.0.1
01:34 MinetestBot 127.0.0.1:30000 is up (101ms)
01:34 khonkhortisan oh
01:34 kaeza yes he does :P
01:34 Menche wait, MinetestBot is on a server machine?
01:34 khonkhortisan set up your /etc/hostnames!
01:34 kaeza *she
01:34 khonkhortisan *hosts
01:34 khonkhortisan !description 127.0.0.1
01:35 Menche !up 5.231.56.127
01:35 MinetestBot 5.231.56.127:30000 is up (100ms)
01:35 Menche (that's MinetestBot's address from whois)
01:35 PilzAdam thats minetest.ru
01:35 Menche uh
01:35 Menche PING minetest.ru (176.9.122.10) 56(84) bytes of data.
01:36 Menche multiple addresses?
01:39 PilzAdam it could be that sfan5 hosts MinetestBot at his PC again
01:39 PilzAdam but dunno
01:39 Tesseract What is the proper way to get an object/entity's name? get_entity_name() is depreciated.
01:39 Menche yeah, that address is the same as sfan's server
01:40 PilzAdam Tesseract, obj:get_luaentity().name
01:40 Tesseract PilzAdam: That was nil last I tried...
01:41 PilzAdam then you did it wrong
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01:44 Miner_48er Tesseract could you show us the basics of your mod?
01:44 * NekoGloop tosses a cookie in the general direction of ShadowBot
01:46 PilzAdam !op
01:46 Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net | NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released | RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels | CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev | SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ | WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net | Today: Throw-kittens-at-NekoGloop-day
01:46 PilzAdam !deop
01:46 * PilzAdam throws a kitten at NekoGloop
01:46 * NekoGloop catches it and hugses it~
01:47 Tesseract Miner_48er: What do you mean?
01:47 * Menche throws tuna at NekoGloop and opens the kitten cages
01:47 * NekoGloop eats the tuna and hugs all the kittenses
01:47 Miner_48er the basics
01:49 Tesseract Miner_48er: What mod?
01:49 Miner_48er found the cmds
01:49 Miner_48er thx area
01:50 Tesseract /area_pos set <punch nodes at edges> /set_owner <playerName> <areaName>
01:52 Miner_48er thx
01:53 SegFault22 Is MoreOres by Calinou up-to-date for 0.4.7?
02:00 PilzAdam bye
02:05 kaeza SegFault22, it is
02:05 SegFault22 ?
02:06 SegFault22 Ah, good
02:06 SegFault22 thank you.
02:06 kaeza np
02:06 NekoGloop It's got overlap with default though
02:06 NekoGloop And I'm pretty sure you can't hurt anything with its items
02:09 SegFault22 How did the devs get the idea of copper + iron = bronze, when the first thing pulled up in google for bronze details how it's an alloy of copper and tin?...
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02:13 SegFault22 were they just too lazy to add tin?
02:14 kaeza nope
02:14 kaeza PilzAdam just said "not on MY game!"
02:15 SegFault22 why? that doesen't even make sense
02:15 SegFault22 doesn't
02:17 kahrl "Bronze is an alloy consisting primarily of copper, usually with tin as the main additive"
02:21 SegFault22 but still, iron =/= copper
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02:30 Miner_48er !up 75.131.40.131:30000
02:30 MinetestBot Miner_48er: Note: Syntax changed please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
02:30 Miner_48er !up 75.131.40.131 30000
02:30 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131:30000 seems to be down
02:35 Miner_48er !up 75.131.40.131 30000
02:35 MinetestBot 75.131.40.131:30000 seems to be down
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02:38 SegFault22 What happened to the server, miner_48er?
02:38 Miner_48er idk
02:38 SegFault22 Do you know ecube?
02:39 Miner_48er a bit
02:39 SegFault22 Well, I have been trying to contact him for two days now...
02:40 SegFault22 IRC, email... still no response..
02:46 SegFault22 I have gotten help from many people here, to try to contact him,... and though they were very helpful, it seems that his client is a zombie - auto-connecting when it goes offline, but he isn't ''at the keyboard''...
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02:48 SegFault22 I don't want to spam him, trying to get his attention, elthough that is ''kinda'' what I did last time...
02:48 SegFault22 although*
02:50 SegFault22 So, do you have any  suggestions for contacting him, miner_48er?
02:51 Miner_48er no did you try what I gave you?
02:52 SegFault22 Tried all IRC's, email, etc.,
02:52 SegFault22 no teamspeak though, I don't use teamspeak...
02:54 Miner_48er idk
02:55 kahrl they have a reality TV show here for finding missing people
02:55 kahrl you could try that
02:55 kahrl but you'll have to cry in front of the camera when they find him
02:56 SegFault22 -.-
02:56 Menche get his IP from /whois -> use geoip to narrow down possible locations -> search for him in the phonebooks for that area -> go to his house
02:57 SegFault22 maybe if I don't get a reply in the next 10 minutes...
02:57 Menche you tried /msg? if he's registered on freenode he should get a msg whenever he's on irc next
02:58 SegFault22 Good idea! thank you!
02:58 Menche assuming he's probably not just leaving his irc client on for over a year for no reason whatsoever
03:01 Miner_48er possible and assuming his client doesn't crash
03:02 Menche if your registered on freenode, can't you receive a msg when you're logged off?
03:02 Menche i thought i did once...
03:06 SegFault22 It won't notify him next time he gets online if, say, he's already online?...
03:07 Menche not sure
03:07 SegFault22 I'm usin the web client at webchat.freenode.net, which may have different commands/etc. than other clients,...
03:08 SegFault22 using*
03:08 Menche pretty sure /msg works
03:08 Menche it would tell you if you enter a bad command
03:09 SegFault22 it works, but it sends the message the same way as if you click the ''query'' tab under the person's name in the client list...
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03:24 * paramat is writing the lua voxel manipulator version of moonrealm but needs someone to test it ... ?
03:25 SegFault22 does it cast shaddows onto the overworld realm?
03:26 paramat ... because i use stable releases and am waiting for 0.4.8
03:26 Menche where is it?
03:27 Menche i always use the latest git
03:27 paramat SegFault22, no shadows
03:29 paramat i'll release the untested LVM version in the moonrealm thread soon, it will only be the top 2 chunk layers, the surface, just to see if it works ;)
03:29 SegFault22 Cool
03:34 paramat moonrealm is first to tempt Peacock to use it again :D *ping*
03:47 SegFault22 I really don't like ''spamming'' this channel with attempts to see if anyone can help me find ecube,... but there is nothing else to do that has any significant chance of working...
03:48 Menche if you've tried /msg and email, i'm out of ideas
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03:50 SegFault22 tried both -.-
03:50 Vazon Miner are you there?
03:50 Vazon Hay guys did you get loged out?
03:51 SegFault22 The server shut down
03:51 Vazon omg im sorry well its back up
03:51 SegFault22 it is, I see :D
03:51 Vazon :( sorry guys i have to work on that
03:51 SegFault22 it's fine
03:52 Vazon Im new to this server owner ship so i have to figure out how to keep it up when i shut my computer
03:53 Menche power management settings? you have to keep it from going into suspend.
03:53 Vazon well i shut my computer so it goes in sleep mod
03:54 Menche yeah. you should be able to make it so it just blanks the screen then.
03:54 Vazon Ok so how do i fix that then
03:54 SegFault22 Yeah, disable any feature that shuts down/puts to sleep the computer after X time.
03:54 * Menche pulls up his windows VM
03:54 Vazon Ok
03:54 SegFault22 But turn off the monitor to save power.
03:55 Vazon yea well im running it on my laptop so i can just turn off my monitor
03:56 SegFault22 you're running a server that's that quick, off of your laptop?...
03:56 Vazon Ok i made it where it never goes into sleep mode and yes i am :) and this labtop is a piece of crap XD
03:56 Menche laptops aren't necessarily less powerful than desktops
03:56 SegFault22 Suggestion: set up a donations system like the landrush server, and use the money to buy better server hardware
03:57 Peacock paramat i just hope terrain can gen nearly as fast as default mapgen, last time i had to ban stubborn explorers lol
03:57 Menche my server runs fine on an ancient pentium 4
03:57 Menche and used to run on an atom
03:58 Vazon Ok i may do that as soon as i get my own credit card or debt card and that may be in a few months but this is good for now right?
03:58 SegFault22 Yes, good for now.
03:58 Vazon Ok great
03:59 Menche Vazon, check out these settings: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1825
03:59 Menche if your server is lagging those may improve it
04:00 Vazon Ok well im getting 11-14 fps right now how about you Seg?
04:00 SegFault22 not that kind og lag; he's speaking of network latency.
04:00 Vazon O ok
04:00 SegFault22 of*
04:01 Vazon Ok thanks
04:05 Vazon ok Menche i have more ores turned on but its not working?
04:05 SegFault22 Enable it in the config section of the world, in the world selection menu
04:05 SegFault22 then restart the server
04:06 Vazon Ok did it shut down?
04:06 SegFault22 I think yes
04:07 Vazon Ok let me resstart it
04:07 Vazon there log back in :)
04:07 SegFault22 k
04:07 SegFault22 it's online
04:08 Vazon Yep thats good ok anything else you would like?
04:08 SegFault22 Not at this time, but in the future, people may want growing papyrus/cacti from the nature mod/pack or something
04:09 SegFault22 thank you
04:09 Vazon Cacti and paprus are alreday on
04:09 Vazon i have seen some growing
04:09 SegFault22 Oh okay
04:09 SegFault22 Cool
04:09 Vazon Yep
04:10 paramat Peacock, "So, generating map with VoxelManip in pure Lua is only about 2.5x slower than a mapgen in the core, but a whole 45x faster than using set_node for everything."
04:11 Vazon Btw did notice we have shared stuff like doors and funuses and chests?
04:12 SegFault22 ?
04:12 Vazon Wait do you not now what that is?
04:12 SegFault22 no.
04:13 Vazon how do i tp yu to me?
04:13 SegFault22 ./teleport SegFaulter Vazon
04:15 Peacock paramat that definately should help things
04:16 Peacock + with thin (2 chunk layers) there wont be a ton to generate
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04:38 paramat LVM version of moonrealm released for testing https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6329&amp;p=7
04:38 Vazon Anyone have any good mods that do not cuase massive lag?
04:39 paramat Nope lol
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04:40 Vazon XD
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04:41 SegFault22 Vazon
04:41 Vazon Whats wrong Seg
04:42 SegFault22 My computer got a huge lagspike of death...
04:42 SegFault22 I had to shut it down. By unplugging it.
04:42 Vazon Ok well
04:42 Vazon does it work now?
04:42 SegFault22 Either I'm under attack, or I need linux -.-
04:42 SegFault22 it works now
04:42 Vazon XD im useing windows
04:43 Vazon Well is the nature mod a good mod or not it would add a food market to the ecomomy?
04:44 SegFault22 It adds some food, yes
04:44 Vazon Ok i will install it now then and it should spawn jungles in new areas so it says
04:44 SegFault22 Cool
04:44 Vazon Yep
04:47 SegFault22 Well, I gotta go afk for a few minutes
04:47 SegFault22 I'll be back
04:47 Vazon Ok
04:47 Vazon I have to shut it down
04:55 Vazon Um ok i had to move the nature mod cuase it doenst work i cant start up the server but now its saying map saving is disabled what does that mean?
04:57 SegFault22 uh...
04:57 SegFault22 I don't know...
04:57 SegFault22 Sorry man.
04:57 Vazon Its fine it hasnt seemed to mess with anything
04:58 SegFault22 It might not be saving the map. We'll have to test that by making a small change, then restarting.
04:58 Vazon Ok i will restart the server
04:59 Vazon i have to wait im clearing objects
04:59 SegFault22 okay
05:01 Vazon ok i restarted the server but it still says that
05:01 Vazon idk think it matters
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05:02 SegFault22 if you made a small change, see if it saved.
05:02 Vazon Hold on i deleted the nature mod all together
05:03 Vazon Hmmm it still there
05:03 SegFault22 No, I eman, an in-world change like breaking a block
05:03 SegFault22 mean*
05:04 Vazon Yes i no hold on im looking it up
05:06 Vazon do you see it?
05:06 SegFault22 loading
05:06 Vazon Ok
05:06 SegFault22 See what, now?
05:07 Vazon Warning map saving is disabled
05:07 SegFault22 ugh...
05:07 Vazon I take that as no
05:08 SegFault22 Did you change the map saving interval in the .conf file, for optimization?
05:08 SegFault22 (I did see it)
05:08 Vazon Nope i just moved the nature mod to mods then to removed mods then deleted it thats it
05:09 Vazon im going to restart it agian
05:09 SegFault22 I think the nature mod must've harmed your server, and tried to attack me...
05:09 Vazon hmm yes
05:10 SegFault22 I suggest that you reinstall the server, like the downgrade to the reccomended 0.4.7, but just put new files for 0.4.7 from minetest.net in the old file's place
05:11 SegFault22 or ask one of the experts like kahrl or VanessaE
05:11 Vazon Im using 4.7
05:11 VanessaE zzzz....snnn--x-x-x-xx..  *snork* huh?  wha? zzzz
05:12 Vazon umm i installed the nature mod but it didnt work and know i get Warning:Map Saving is Disabled
05:12 VanessaE nature is outdated, don't use it.
05:12 Vazon Idk what that means or how to fix
05:12 SegFault22 And my computer got a lag spike of death about the time he installed/unpacked the fles
05:12 Vazon Im not
05:13 SegFault22 I had to shut down my computer. By unplugging it.
05:13 VanessaE I dunno why map saving doesn't work unless it's a permissions issue
05:13 Vazon well what does it cuase?
05:13 SegFault22 (I think it's the nature pack, not the mod. the pack is latest I think)
05:13 Vazon everything stays the same
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05:14 VanessaE don't unplug your computer to shut it down - that's a sure way to trash your filesystem
05:14 VanessaE which is probably what happened
05:15 Vazon But how would that cuase it to apper on my computor to?
05:15 Vazon Im the server owner not him
05:15 VanessaE well in that case, scratch that.
05:15 Vazon Ok
05:16 SegFault22 Could it be... Landmine?...
05:16 VanessaE not likely
05:16 VanessaE check your permissions and ownership on the map files
05:16 Vazon ok where do i find that?
05:17 VanessaE dunno, that's a windows thing I guess
05:17 * VanessaE doesn't use windows.
05:17 Vazon Ok
05:17 VanessaE (in linux, you'd just ls -la the folder)
05:18 SegFault22 If most of Linux wasn't done by user inout from the terminal, I would change to it. I hate windows. -.-
05:18 SegFault22 input*
05:18 Vazon Same here
05:19 VanessaE most of it isn't,.
05:19 VanessaE 95% of what you can do in linux doesn't need the terminal anymore.
05:20 SegFault22 Well, I tried installing the reccomended build of minetest for linux, in linux, and it did not sdo anything when I would try to start it.
05:20 VanessaE besides, you can just learn whatever it is :)
05:20 VanessaE recommended build?
05:20 SegFault22 I made it auto-open on loading of the OS, and it did some weird stuff with random black rectangles and flashing stuff (major error) and I had to shut it down.
05:21 SegFault22 Like, the one from minetest.net
05:21 SegFault22 the ''best one for use'', ''reccomended'', ''not as buggy as development builds''. you know,...
05:21 VanessaE dev builds generally aren't buggy.
05:21 VanessaE no moreso than the 'stable' build
05:21 VanessaE don't use stable/release, use a git build.
05:22 SegFault22 -.-
05:22 SegFault22 On the downloads area of minetest.net. That release.
05:22 VanessaE don't use stable/release, use a git build.
05:23 SegFault22 You know, when they've added stuff and finally got it wo not crash, the build they publish as ''the release of that version''
05:23 SegFault22 to*
05:23 Vazon Dang it omg yea this sucks
05:24 VanessaE it's gonna crash now and again whether it's a dev build or release
05:24 SegFault22 Well, not as often as the unstable builds.
05:24 VanessaE wanna bet? :)
05:24 SegFault22 Unstabe, being, something still ain't right, or it almost is, etc.
05:25 Vazon So i dug up a piece of sand then restarted server and it had responded but i still had it in my hand
05:25 SegFault22 Whatever. It's just the ''OFFICIAL Release of that version'' that is the build they publish as the ''completed version''.
05:26 VanessaE incorrect.
05:26 SegFault22 THAT is what I am speaking of. Well, I used it and it doesn't work. So I uninstalled linux to save hard-drive space.
05:26 SegFault22 Did you know there's a minetest.net? It has the version(s) I speak of. Here, see for yourself:] http://www.minetest.net/download
05:27 SegFault22 '']'' was accidental; meant to only put : after ''yourself''
05:27 VanessaE I've been using Linux for more years than I can remember and I never have trouble with dev builds that isn't either my own fault or due to some recent commit (in which case, I can just git reset --hard xxxx to back down to something I know works)
05:28 VanessaE but it's your coice
05:28 VanessaE choice*
05:29 SegFault22 Okay, it's kinda like Minecraft. They don't release the DEV-BUILDS as the ''official release'', do they? no, they use those during the development and refinement of the ''stable release'' that they release when everything is fixed. Like, when Celeron55 announces the ''latest version of minetest'', THAT build.
05:30 VanessaE I don't play Minecraft
05:30 SegFault22 I was using it as an example...
05:30 VanessaE and that's a commercial product, so it makes sense to stick to releasing "stable" builds
05:30 SegFault22 ...
05:30 VanessaE celeron55 isn't who announces "release" builds.
05:30 VanessaE he barely has anything to do with the project anymore
05:30 Menche c55 hasn't been as active lately has he had been before
05:31 VanessaE the rest of us discuss it and decide when to release a stable build
05:31 Vazon Mench do you have any idea how to turn map savigns back on?
05:31 Menche map saving disabled warning?
05:31 Vazon Yep
05:31 Menche it is a problem with a file in your world folder
05:31 Vazon ok hold on let me get ther
05:31 Menche map_meta.txt iirc
05:32 Menche make sure that file exists and is not empty
05:32 SegFault22 STABLE BUILD. that's what you all call it. not ''the stable build'', but ''stable build''. Well, I used that one, for linux, and it doesn't work at all. So I deleted it to save hard-drive space.
05:32 Vazon yes i have been there it is empty
05:32 VanessaE we try to make "release" builds be not-all-that-broken, but it can't be helped.  It's no less broken than a dev build, and not any more stable either.
05:32 Menche i use the latest dev version all the time
05:33 SegFault22 I don't care how broken it is. Just when I ran it, it did nothing, although obviously it was working for everyone else.
05:33 Vazon Menche what do i put inthere to activate it
05:33 SegFault22 Ubuntu isn't linux, is it?
05:33 Menche Ubuntu is linux
05:33 VanessaE yes, it is.
05:33 Menche they just don't mention that it is P
05:33 Menche * :P
05:33 VanessaE if it works for everyone else and not you, that would tend to imply that you're doing something wrong :)
05:34 Menche Vazon: i think if you delete that file, minetest will recreate it
05:34 Menche however, you may want to write down the seed first
05:34 Vazon ok i hope it doesnt make it worse
05:34 Menche so you don't get mapgen glitches (im not sure if it's saved anywhere else)
05:34 Menche the seed should be displayed when you press F5
05:35 SegFault22 WHat is the reccomended ''linux'' to use, then? I want to be able to do stuff that you-all can do with it's magical powers.
05:35 Vazon well i picked up a sand block and when i restarted the server it had respond but it was in my hand also
05:35 VanessaE imho, Xubuntu is your best bet.
05:35 Menche SegFault22: for a beginner i would recommend Mint
05:35 VanessaE Mint is good, too.
05:35 Menche both of those are based on Ubuntu, so both are pretty friendly to new users
05:35 VanessaE which in turn, is based on Debian
05:35 SegFault22 Mint? cool, thank you for the info.
05:36 VanessaE (which I use)
05:36 Vazon Menche i didnt remake it
05:36 Vazon it
05:37 Menche wierd, it did on mine
05:37 Vazon Wait maby it did i just restarted everything
05:37 Menche you shut down the server, deleted the file, then started it again?
05:37 Vazon and it doesnt show now hold on let me check the files
05:37 Vazon O yea its back thanks so much
05:38 Vazon ok Seg you can rejoin agian
05:38 Menche if you didn't save the seed, there will be wierd cliffs on the edges of ungenerated blocks, though
05:38 SegFault22 ok
05:38 Vazon save what seed?
05:38 SegFault22 The world's seed.
05:38 Menche the map seed; what minetest uses to generate the randomness for the map
05:39 SegFault22 Random number that is used for map generation stuffs
05:39 Vazon O well everything looks normal and the same
05:39 SegFault22 Well, new areas will transition weirdly. Like the stonewalls on the landrush server
05:39 Vazon Well let me look around
05:40 Vazon all the stone and everything looks good in new areas
05:41 Vazon Omg this world is so wierd XD some much gravel spawned above grounda nd random mountains every where
05:42 Menche a gravel biome?
05:42 Vazon No just random gravel areas every where XD
05:42 SegFault22 yeah, that must be a new attempt at a biome -.-
05:43 Vazon XD it would be a coold biome
05:43 Menche there is a gravel biome. they are somewhat rare though.
05:43 Menche and most are fairly small.
05:43 Vazon Well would you lie to join us?
05:43 Vazon like
05:43 Menche address?
05:44 Vazon 75.131.40.131
05:52 SegFault22 If only I knew what community he has moved into...
05:52 Menche ecube?
05:52 SegFault22 yes -.-
05:52 Menche his avatar... i believe that is the redeclipse logo?
05:52 SegFault22 I looked.
05:52 Menche (a shooter game)
05:52 SegFault22 Nowhere to be found
05:54 Menche apparently he contributed to the documentation project
05:54 Menche looks like he might go by "ClassyRain" too
05:54 SegFault22 What happened was, I was playing Minecraft for a while (with industrialcraft/gregtech), but I got bored and discovered Widelands. Then I got bored, and wanted to go to minetest. I found the LandRush server, but the people there are... ''non-satisfactory''. So I left, and wanted to make another server very popular, to be more popular than landrush server. So I wanted to ask ecube about if he can still make a server, but he is no
05:55 SegFault22 ClassyRain? thank you for the info, I didn't see that
05:55 Menche http://forum.freegamedev.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&amp;t=2337
05:55 Menche on the list of contributors it says "ecube (ClassyRain)"
05:55 Vazon What is eCube?
05:56 Menche former server admin
05:56 Vazon o ok
05:57 SegFault22 All I fing is wsome youtube video of a band? and a bunch of spammed minecraft-servers called ''classy rain''...
05:57 SegFault22 fins*
05:57 SegFault22 Find*
05:57 VanessaE side note:  it's ", not ''
05:59 Menche you have to sign in to see it, but his redeclipse forum account is here: http://forum.freegamedev.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=2284
05:59 SegFault22 I see. thank you.
05:59 Vazon hey XD i for got how to turn on noclip cna u tell me plz
06:00 Menche on mine it's 'h', forget if i changed it
06:00 Vazon O thanks it works
06:02 SegFault22 I'm not authorized to see the list of user profiles (or profiles at all?) -.-
06:03 Vazon Ok i have my mine walls made
06:04 SegFault22 Vazon: I suggest that you make an IRC channel for your server. Look up ''Freenode IRC making a channel'', for more info on how to do so/manage a channel. It is more organized and efficient than the Minetest Offtopic Chatboks.
06:05 VanessaE SegFault22: " not ''
06:05 Vazon Ok
06:05 Menche /join ##mychannel
06:05 Menche creates a new channel
06:05 Vazon ok where do i go to do that?
06:06 Menche just enter it where you're typing right now
06:06 Vazon o ok
06:06 Menche (replace mychannel with whatever name you want, of course)
06:06 SegFault22 What's wrong with '' ? I'm used to it rather than " .
06:07 Vazon wait do i type something in the ##mychannel?
06:07 Vazon o ok
06:07 SegFault22 it's ''/join ##(channel name here)''.
06:07 SegFault22 type a channel name after /join
06:07 Menche freenode likes you to use two hash signs for unofficial channels
06:08 Vazon Ok how do i get it linked to my server?
06:08 Menche ?
06:08 SegFault22 For example, ecube said /join #cubemt when he started the channel for his server.
06:08 SegFault22 You don't have to link it, it's just better than dumping all off-server IRC chatter here in the minetest area.
06:09 SegFault22 But there is a mod for that, I think...
06:09 Vazon O ok well the name is Vazon's Survival Server
06:09 SegFault22 It's better if it's a single word for the channel name
06:09 Vazon ok hold on then
06:09 Menche so come up with a short name with no spaces, like ##vazon, ##vazon-server, etc
06:10 SegFault22 ##vazon sounds nice.
06:10 Vazon ok its Vazon-Server
06:11 SegFault22 there's lots of IRC commands and stuff that you need to know to be a channel administrator, they can be found on the internet.
06:11 Vazon ok
06:13 SegFault22 Is there any way to repeatedly make ecube's IRC beep at him, to get his attention, other than spamming his name?...
06:15 VanessaE depends if his client will even beep to begin with
06:15 VanessaE but doing so might piss him off :P
06:15 SegFault22 That may be the issue...
06:15 Menche most clients will notify the user in some way
06:15 Menche mine doesn't beep, but it flashes the titlebar red
06:16 SegFault22 Sorry for spamming you all with this mission I have, to find ecube - I just came here to see if he may be on, and if not, where to find him, but the dead ends keep leading me back here to ask different people what they know about his possible whereabouts.
06:16 SegFault22 I'll stop asking if you get annoyed.
06:17 khonkhortisan Xchat places a blinking exclamation point on the systray icon, and makes the channel blue or if it's a pm, red (red is the default active channel colour)
06:17 VanessaE mine just lights up my name in yellow and flashes the taskbar item
06:17 VanessaE bbl, bedtime.  (in theory)
06:17 Menche yeah, i have xchat
06:17 khonkhortisan I get a red line with my name in it
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06:18 SegFault22 I get nothing, because I use the web-client (program-clients never seem to work -.-)
06:18 khonkhortisan When you feel you need more control, you'll switch to a local program
06:19 SegFault22 It never is able to connect, due to that sstp or whatever protocol-something that was implemented for god knows what (celeron55 posted on his blog about it)
06:20 Menche sasl?
06:20 Menche you shouldn't need that in most places
06:20 Menche but Hexchat has sasl support built in
06:20 SegFault22 Well, for some reason it never connects properly, just disconnects after a few seconds.
06:21 SegFault22 Well, anyone possibly know any way I can contact ecube other than IRC or the red eclipse stuff? there must be some place he went to after red eclipse, and I don't like spamming them with requests about ecube -.-
06:22 SegFault22 Has he even been on the minetest IRC lately?...
06:23 Vazon Seg can u plz get on the server plz
06:23 SegFault22 yes, I can...
06:23 Vazon ok cuase i need to test something
06:23 Vazon tell me when ur on
06:24 SegFault22 okay connecting now...
06:24 Vazon ok
06:26 SegFault22 disconnected -.-
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06:26 Vazon Really dang
06:27 SegFault22 Yep -.-
06:27 Vazon hmmm
06:27 thexyz i love swear filters, i learn so many new words from those
06:27 thexyz https://github.com/fairiestoy/chat_channel/blob/cp_channel/swearing_filter.txt
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06:28 Menche my eyes...
06:28 Vazon Ok lets try this agian
06:29 Vazon tell me when you are ready
06:29 SegFault22 uh, okay...
06:30 SegFault22 connecting
06:30 Vazon Ok
06:30 thexyz wait why is "bloody" a swear word?
06:30 khonkhortisan thexyz, https://github.com/BZFlag-Dev/bzflag/blob/master/misc/multilingualSwearList.txt
06:31 khonkhortisan bloody is a british swear word
06:31 SegFault22 about what time is it in Britain about now?...
06:31 Menche 7:31 AM
06:31 Vazon it is 2:31 am here
06:31 Menche 11:31 here
06:31 Menche (PM)
06:32 Vazon XD i have to get up for school in 3 1/2 hours
06:32 Vazon are you ready Seg?
06:32 SegFault22 I see. thank you
06:32 Menche khonkhortisan, lol, that is quite extensive
06:33 Menche ..."adolph hitler" is a swear word?
06:33 khonkhortisan good to know, I haven't seen it :P
06:33 khonkhortisan that's the godfrey? rule
06:33 khonkhortisan godwin's law.
06:33 Menche lol, it lists... uh... nvm i'm not repeating that
06:34 * Menche wonders who sat down and thought of all of those
06:34 khonkhortisan I think it's a cooperative effort
06:34 Menche "my filter is almost done. just have to think up a list of the worst words i can imagine"
06:35 thexyz > baltattsya kak govno v prorubi ;_;
06:35 * Menche imagines a newcomer to their irc channel while that discussion was going on
06:35 khonkhortisan google can't translate what you just said
06:35 Menche given the current subject, that's probably a good thing
06:36 khonkhortisan it thinks it's slovenian
06:36 khonkhortisan yeah
06:37 Vazon anyone want to join my new 24/7 survival server?
06:37 khonkhortisan I'm not really into survival, but sure
06:38 Vazon ok 75.131.40.131 use that
06:38 khonkhortisan oh yeah, I forgot minetest breaks the numpad
06:41 sfan5 good morning
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06:43 Vazon Menche can you plz get on the server fo a sec i need to take the fly off
06:43 Menche i think you can do that when i'm off
06:43 Menche /revoke Menche fly
06:44 Menche then verify with /privs Menche
06:44 Vazon o ok i thought you had to be one to do that
06:44 Menche a player has to be online to be banned (kinda inconvenient...) but not to change privs
06:47 SegFault22 Not with futureban
06:48 Vazon We have that
06:48 SegFault22 Cool
06:48 Vazon Yep we made sure we had most of the think that would make a good start
07:07 SegFault22 but he'll think we abandoned the server?...
07:09 SegFault22 oh well, I'm too tired to do minetesting...
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07:15 SegFault22 If only ecube were back...
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07:18 SegFault22 Calinou, have you heard from ecube recently? Or has he been on IRC lately?
07:18 Calinou ecube: ping
07:18 Calinou he talked 2 days ago in #redeclipse
07:18 SegFault22 He did?
07:19 thexyz khonkhortisan: it worked fine for me, it just autocorrected itself twice
07:19 SegFault22 Hmm. thank you for the info.
07:19 khonkhortisan what did?
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07:24 Calinou SegFault22: tip: /whois ecube ecube
07:24 Calinou (yes, twice)
07:25 PenguinDad He is idle for 8 hours
07:25 SegFault22 8 hours... hmm...
07:25 SegFault22 thank you for the info. this will be very helpful.
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07:33 thexyz khonkhortisan: google translate
07:34 khonkhortisan oh
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08:44 JamesTait Good morning all, happy Friday and happy Tell A Joke Day! :-D
08:45 JamesTait And happy Throw-kittens-at-NekoGloop Day as well, apparently!
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09:01 Calinou happy nouveau day*
09:15 JamesTait Calinou, touché!
09:48 kaeza lol https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=105825#p105825
09:48 kaeza interesting bug
09:48 kaeza Calinou, ^
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10:04 hoodedice Has anyone decompiled windows?
10:04 hoodedice *ever*
10:19 JamesTait I've smashed plenty.
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10:25 Vazon Hello everyone
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10:45 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:46 hoodedice Has anyone decompiled windows?
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10:51 hoodedice No one then. Maybe it was a stupid question all along
10:52 Vazon What was your question?
10:52 hoodedice Nothing
10:52 Vazon O ok
10:52 hoodedice So...
10:52 hoodedice Yeah
10:53 Vazon i have to leave in a few min for school
10:54 hoodedice Cool yo
10:55 Vazon Yes XD im hoping when i get home i can see a bunch of people on my server
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11:03 Vazon Well bye
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11:10 hoodedice Ciao ppl
11:10 hoodedice I just got my 'copy' of SWAT 4
11:14 PilzAdam swat 4 is an epic game
11:15 * Jordach used to SWAT 3 on PC
11:15 Jordach play*
11:16 Jordach there was multiplayer on that :D
11:17 Jordach kahrl, you should replace the word hacky with black magic :P
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11:54 * Jordach is wondering who to put on Bass Guitar
11:54 Jordach Calinou or Evergreen, hmm
11:58 * Jordach is wondering
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11:58 webdesigner97 hi
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12:03 Jordach hey Peacock
12:04 Peacock hey coffee
12:04 Peacock *jordach
12:04 Peacock :P
12:04 Jordach Peacock, my current project is BlockBand
12:04 Peacock music?
12:05 Jordach Peacock, animated G3 models to rock 'n' roll
12:05 Jordach might include MJ's thriller someday
12:06 Peacock hm, with the amount of kids here, i'd start with a non-paedo musician lol
12:06 Peacock then theres the question of whether to use a black or white character model, male or female, it gets very confusing :P
12:07 thexyz > Since I run Debian on my computers, I do not play anymore to 3D shooting games, not because of the lack of Free 3D drivers, but because developing Debian is more fun and addictive.
12:07 Peacock re male of female: same problem with justin bieber and 1D lol
12:07 Jordach Taoki, http://i.imgur.com/yyFLubN.png
12:08 Taoki Jordach: Cool!
12:08 Jordach Taoki, i'm making shorts with generation 3 models
12:08 Taoki Awesome :D
12:08 * Jordach needs shape keys for lip syncing
12:09 Jordach that's the only way without bones :P
12:09 Taoki Yeah, hard to choose between bones and shape keys when it comes to face animation
12:10 Peacock i would have thought repetitive gameplay would be reason enough to stop playing 3d shooting games lol
12:10 thexyz sometimes that's all what you need
12:10 Jordach Taoki, bones for eyes, eyebrows and eyelids
12:11 Jordach because i can use z axis to move them up and down
12:11 Jordach (in relation to other bones from inheriting)
12:11 Peacock jordach, unrelated but made me think of this lol http://geekisawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Guitar-Hero-610x600.jpg
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12:12 Jordach Taoki, http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/312/newmodel.medium.png
12:12 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/312/newmodel.png <- biggetr
12:13 Jordach -t
12:13 Taoki fun
12:13 sfan5 he looks like someone hit him in the balls
12:13 Jordach Taoki, my models are direct children of yours
12:15 Peacock naw if he got hit on the balls he'd be curved the other way, looks more like random street-assrape
12:15 Jordach haha
12:15 Jordach surprise buttsecks
12:15 thexyz Peacock: i mean, i do have enough fun interesting different not-dull stuff at work so sometimes it's preferable to turn the brain off and kill some those fucking monsters
12:16 Peacock npc's or players though? sometimes shooting npc's is more (on wolfenstein anyways)
12:16 Peacock players always crouch in the same corners and use the same tricks
12:17 thexyz lol
12:17 Peacock oups *is more fun
12:18 Peacock depends tho if the npc's are dumb as door knobs
12:18 Peacock *arent
12:18 Jordach Taoki, quick trick: make use of object contraints so you can move the camera with a armature
12:18 Jordach handy for moving camera tracks
12:18 Taoki Paths should be better for that
12:19 Jordach Taoki, i prefer armature :P
12:25 Jordach http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/322/untitled.png
12:26 Jordach :D nearly ready; just need a crowd (which needs about 120 skins), some stage extras, and of course: music
12:27 hoodedice I'm too humane
12:28 hoodedice I used the OC gun again and again on a suspect
12:28 hoodedice Till he got up and shot me.
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12:39 * Jordach puts a kitten on sfan5's head
12:39 * sfan5 throws the kitten at Jordach
12:39 Jordach http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2012-12-04#i_2688845
12:39 Jordach ^ i found something
12:41 Jordach i dug through a years worth of logs without grep
12:41 thexyz Minetest-tan ❤❤
12:41 Jordach this http://mg.viewskew.com/mgoblin_media/media_entries/311/mystery.png now makes SENSE.
12:42 PilzAdam wait, Minetest-tan was black?
12:43 thexyz hey that's racist
12:43 Jordach thexyz, explain the japanese meaning of -tan to PilzAdam
12:43 * Jordach isn't going to bother
12:45 thexyz > it expresses that the speaker finds a person endearing
12:46 thexyz -tan doesn't imply girl, by the way
12:46 PilzAdam its usually used for girls
12:49 Jordach > Always assume bots are female
12:49 Jordach IIRC, you said that thexyz
12:50 thexyz Jordach: yeah i did
12:51 thexyz those facts don't contradict in any way
12:53 thexyz PilzAdam: and babies, and young childs, and animals; anyway I don't know Japanese so you all better ask google
12:53 PilzAdam I asked wikipedia
12:54 Peacock just noticed the older one doesn't have eyebrows, the two kids have caterpillars lol
12:54 thexyz PilzAdam: japanese one?
12:54 PilzAdam no, the englisch and german one
12:54 PilzAdam -c
12:57 Peacock oh damn, the UK sterilized someone for having learning difficulties (http://business.financialpost.com/2013/08/16/why-the-u-k-ordered-its-first-court-authorized-sterilization/?utm_source=dlvr.it&amp;utm_medium=twitter)
12:59 Peacock thats fucked up
13:02 Peacock ottomans! http://s23.postimg.org/z4885fsgb/screenshot_2268590698.png
13:04 Peacock now to try making a shrink couch
13:05 Peacock !seen thefamilygrog66
13:05 MinetestBot Peacock: Sorry, I haven't seen thefamilygrog66 around.
13:17 VanessaE morning all
13:18 VanessaE (grog was here a day or two ago)
13:18 Peacock goody, he'll need to update his mod
13:18 VanessaE lrfurn?
13:18 Peacock yeah
13:18 VanessaE what's to update?
13:18 Peacock i made an ottoman
13:18 Peacock working on a shrink couch
13:18 VanessaE cool
13:19 Peacock maybe a rolltop desk (since it fits with the style)
13:19 VanessaE nice idea
13:19 VanessaE good luck getting the model to look right with only nodeboxes :)
13:20 Peacock well the rolltop portion is just a bunch of tiny nodeboxes
13:20 Peacock though i do wish internal faces werent drawn lol
13:20 VanessaE try to keep it down below about 20 per node (nominal)
13:20 VanessaE else it tends to affect performance
13:20 Peacock especially with + furniture in a given area
13:21 hoodedice Peacock
13:21 Peacock howdy
13:21 hoodedice furniture = wooden
13:21 Peacock ?
13:21 hoodedice makes_sense = FALSE
13:22 hoodedice futuristic_map = TRUE
13:22 Peacock well i already have metal furniture and people bitched about that so i expanded the repertoire a bit
13:22 hoodedice var people_bitch = 9001
13:22 Peacock besides just because somethings' in the inventory doesn't mean people have to use them
13:23 hoodedice large_inv = large_loadtimes
13:23 kaeza var? ಠ_ಠ
13:23 hoodedice #noobdev
13:23 Peacock i still have round hay bales and thats not very futuristic :p
13:23 hoodedice hay will never be out of style
13:24 kaeza make plastic furniture; everyone happy :P
13:24 hoodedice http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2lvzyjfQyng/UB_L_ZsndzI/AAAAAAAAAb4/MdiB6xhBVsg/s320/066.JPG
13:24 hoodedice Plastic = env_destruction
13:24 Peacock ugh, plastic, ikea instructions alone could account for the high swedish suicide rate
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13:25 Peacock i have a small container full of those little keys they send you lol
13:25 kaeza suddenly: IKEA mod; you have to asemble the nodeboxes yourself
13:25 kaeza +s
13:26 hoodedice #LETTHEFLAMEWARSBEGIN
13:26 hoodedice http://betanews.com/2013/05/28/dear-linux-im-leaving-you-for-windows-8/
13:26 hoodedice !title
13:26 MinetestBot hoodedice: Dear Linux, I&#039;m leaving you -- for Windows 8
13:27 Peacock win8? okay you'd have a more reasonable argument for win7 tho lol
13:27 hoodedice Win8 is good
13:27 hoodedice Ubuntu is better
13:27 hoodedice I win. Your arguments are invalid
13:27 Peacock well they kinda dropped the ball with 8, removing shit and having to re-add it in later editions
13:28 Peacock its like selling crippled games and offering 1st day DLC's
13:28 sfan5 ^
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13:29 sfan5 "I tried Internet Explorer 10 and liked it." That guy is probably paid by Microsoft
13:29 Peacock i guess they figure once parents have already sunk a certain amount on a game, they wont mind sinking more in to complete the experience, but adult gamers are like "fuck this shit" lol
13:30 hoodedice Parents completing game experience
13:30 hoodedice ?
13:30 hoodedice Fudge that
13:30 Peacock well maybe he does really like IE lol different strokes for different blokes
13:30 VanessaE leaving linux for windows?  not surprised.  I've had many days over the last couple of years where I've seriously thought about the same.
13:30 lamefun sfan5, are there really people that say Microsoft's products are good because Microsoft paid them? any confirmed cases?
13:30 Peacock me too lol
13:30 hoodedice After tpb became mainstream dad hasn't bought a SINGLE game
13:30 VanessaE because linux really pisses me off sometimes.  then I came to my senses :)
13:30 hoodedice IE10 is kinda nice though
13:30 sfan5 lamefun: oh you again, not that I know
13:31 hoodedice But firefox FTW
13:31 Peacock i just stick to dualbooting at least one of the rigs
13:31 Peacock that way if someone breaks on the same dist im using for all rigs, i have a backup working system
13:31 hoodedice When I get my PC, I won't dual boot
13:32 hoodedice Even if I did, I'll use a seperate HDD for windows
13:32 Peacock without the long, painful laggy bootup from liveimage lol
13:32 hoodedice Which will stay disconnected until I want to boot
13:33 lamefun Free software is good, but it's bound to hurt itself until it dies, because of the very 4 freedoms that define it. Unification = good. If you want to make a Windows distro, there are court, judges and ultimately police with guns to prevent you. That's how proprietary software enforces unification.
13:33 Peacock well theres always lxde
13:33 kaeza lel
13:34 lamefun Who likes Windows 8, uses it. Who doesn't like is forced to use.
13:34 lamefun Who likes GNOME 3, uses it. Who doesn't, regroup and fork it, increasing fragmentation.
13:34 Peacock well if you attend school or work in an office yeah
13:34 VanessaE I HATE IT.
13:35 Peacock then again, bakers don't get to bring their own ovens to work
13:35 VanessaE had to use it a few times over the last couple weeks during my many re-installs
13:35 VanessaE ugh
13:35 VanessaE felt like trying to use a tablet...without the touchscreen
13:35 Peacock win8? lol
13:35 VanessaE no, gnome 3
13:35 Peacock never tried it, but i tried unity/gnome3 a few years back, and yeah... just no
13:35 kaeza lol
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13:37 Peacock and the people pushing it saying "its better!" reminds me of all those kids so many years ago installing all this crap on my computer saying the same thing lol
13:38 Peacock now i'd sooner drop someone and dig a grave then let anyone touch my rigs lol
13:39 lamefun Proprietary software is better because it's unified, not fragmented. It's not fragmented because it's proprietary.
13:39 lamefun Free software is a sinking ship being sunk by freedom.
13:39 lamefun Central global government!
13:39 lamefun Forced unification!
13:39 lamefun Censorship!
13:39 kaeza ban!
13:39 PilzAdam lamefun, thats offtopic
13:39 PilzAdam stop it
13:40 lamefun PilzAdam, then everyone else talked off-topic too, it's me who's warned because I talk harsh adult truth that's inconvenient.
13:40 Peacock this guy talks like markv lol
13:41 Peacock could just be the language barrier tho
13:41 PilzAdam lamefun, offtopic is allowed in this channel, but only if more than 1 people talk about it
13:41 Calinou markveidemanis doesn't capitalize his sentences :P
13:41 Calinou PilzAdam: he's just being that "Praise JavaScript" guy
13:41 PilzAdam I know
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13:43 lamefun Another harsh adult truth: one-man projects die easily --- LuaJIT is one man project --- shouldn't be used --- use plain Lua or JavaScript.
13:43 PilzAdam lamefun, thats trolling
13:43 lamefun It's not.
13:43 lamefun It's telling truth.
13:43 Calinou suddenly: Minecraft
13:43 Calinou one-man project, 10 million sales
13:44 Peacock not necessarily the one man projects that die, its the one man that may move on to something else lol these things can be picked up by others sometimes
13:46 lamefun was kicked by VanessaE: SHUT UP!
13:46 * VanessaE stamps her foot.
13:46 PilzAdam rage much?
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13:47 * Peacock readies the popcorn
13:47 * Peacock butters the channel
13:47 VanessaE lamefun: you have been told not to bring up that stupid argument anymore.
13:48 lamefun Peacock, don't count on it. Calinou: Minecraft is forcibly one-man, it's proprietary, if it was free software, it'd surely get lots of contributors. Peacock: also, the probability of it being picked up depends on complexity, JIT is black magic, so :(
13:49 VanessaE minecraft, one-man?  er...
13:49 kaeza DNFTT
13:49 VanessaE last I knew mojang had around 20 or 30 employees
13:49 VanessaE yeah yeah
13:49 Peacock im not exactly sure what jit does different, i know it has a different GC which may account for other mods' blueprints not spawning in full, thats about it
13:49 VanessaE I have a surplus of troll food ;)
13:49 lamefun Peacock, compiles Lua into machine code dynamically, so it runs faster.
13:50 Calinou lamefun: JIT is 30% to 200% faster "for free"
13:50 Calinou even if you don't tweak your code
13:50 VanessaE Peacock: it compiles Lua into allegedly executable machine code at run-time.
13:50 VanessaE (and does it quite well)
13:50 Calinou it's actually pretty good
13:50 Peacock i thought lua was compiled at runtime?
13:50 kaeza into bytecode
13:50 Calinou it's compiled into bytecode at runtime normally
13:50 VanessaE Peacock: I think Lua is tokenized
13:50 Calinou and into natice CPU code by JIT
13:50 VanessaE this is truly compiled
13:50 Peacock bytecode vs machinecode?
13:50 Calinou VanessaE: Minecraft was one-man until summer 2010
13:51 VanessaE Calinou: yep, I know
13:51 Peacock why doesn't lua do the same then?
13:51 VanessaE Peacock: it does now :P
13:51 Peacock would be nice to have lua 5.2
13:51 VanessaE with luajit.
13:51 VanessaE er, dunno whether 5.2 is really more useful or not
13:51 kaeza Peacock, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bytecode
13:51 VanessaE Peacock: like Blitz! on the C64.
13:52 Peacock there were a few features of 5.2 that would have been useful when i was doing the mesh spawning thing
13:52 kaeza VanessaE, 5.2 has some nice things AFAIK
13:52 Peacock stuff for reading/writing binary data mostly
13:52 VanessaE ah
13:52 kaeza +that 5.1 does not have
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13:53 lamefun Lua variables can change types... So I think it does a lot of advanced math and black magic... so if it does, chances that it'll be picked up are slim :(
13:53 Peacock which could still be useful where the new schems are involved
13:53 lamefun s/does/dies
13:53 kaeza one of those is the bitop library (bitwise operators)
13:53 Peacock thats it
13:53 kaeza useful for... something
13:53 VanessaE kaeza: I think luajit has that actually
13:54 VanessaE and a handful of other stuff that's been backported from 5.2
13:54 kaeza VanessaE, yep, but not stock Lua
13:54 thexyz VanessaE: I think +q would've worked better
13:54 PilzAdam "We are currently investigating problems with GitHub.com. We'll provide an update once we have more information." :-(
13:54 lamefun On the other hand, the whole Web depends on JavaScript, so it's very unlikely that there'll be time without a free software JavaScript interpreter around.
13:54 Peacock yeah but if jit has it and you use it, what happens to all those users who don't have jit?
13:54 VanessaE not sure if that stuff's been disabled in MT though
13:54 thexyz or /knockout
13:54 PilzAdam !mute lamefun
13:55 Peacock i guess the simplest solution would be to package jit with minetest and default to it
13:55 VanessaE Peacock: agreed
13:55 VanessaE but that's already been decided against, at least for now
13:55 PilzAdam Peacock, jit is not supported on all platforms AFAIK
13:55 thexyz Peacock: I'm sure Lua doesn't do that because one of its goals is portability
13:55 VanessaE mostly because the guy who does that doesn't recomment it
13:55 VanessaE recommend*
13:55 Peacock while still have some flag/option for using main lua at compile
13:56 Peacock aah
13:56 thexyz and writing JIT for every arch would take a bit too much time
13:56 Peacock so jit wouldn't work on win or mac?
13:56 VanessaE jit works on both, afaik
13:56 thexyz Peacock: check LuaJIT homepage
13:56 VanessaE yep
13:56 thexyz for list of supported architectures/OSes
13:56 VanessaE http://luajit.org/luajit.html
13:56 VanessaE it works on practically everything
13:57 Peacock did earlier, its got news for june, may, and june of 2012 :/
13:57 VanessaE that link, Peacock ^^^^^
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13:58 Peacock all i knows is, it wasn't easy finding and installing on #! lol
13:58 VanessaE imho it should have been bundled with MT from the start
13:58 VanessaE it works on everything MT works on, it appears.
13:58 Peacock i had to download the .debs from debian website from another version of debian
13:58 PilzAdam VanessaE, IIRC there are some exotic architectures where Irrlicht runs on
13:58 PilzAdam and JIT doesnt support them
13:58 VanessaE PilzAdam: perhaps, but why does that matter?
13:59 Peacock yeah MT doesn't really run well on old hardware anymore
13:59 PilzAdam our limit is Irrlicht, not LuaJIT
13:59 Peacock hasn't for about a year
13:59 VanessaE we care what MT runs on, not just irrlicht
14:00 Peacock like, a year and a half ago i had to upgrade the gfx card on the p4 to keep playing, and a year ago i had to get a new rig alltogether to run the server
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14:00 thexyz well yeah some crazy people think that MT should be able to run on sparcs or something
14:01 Calinou it runs well on old hardware by today's standards
14:01 hoodedice MT ran nice enough on my P4 with ubuntu
14:01 Peacock well i wouldn't want to mislead people running really old hardware lol
14:01 hoodedice No GPU
14:01 hoodedice (It was before 0.4.3)
14:01 kaeza the server can run pretty much anywhere
14:01 Peacock in a terminal yeah
14:02 Peacock im running server + client on new rig to play, wife plays on p4 (just client)
14:03 VanessaE anyways, it doesn't matter what irrlicht runs on, or luajit - it matters what MT itself can run on.  Without MT, the others are useless anyway (for the sake of this particular argument)
14:04 Peacock oh, and i gave up every being able to play on netbook lol
14:04 Peacock shitty integrated graphics
14:05 * hoodedice has been using integrated graphics since 2004
14:06 hoodedice (THE HORROR)
14:07 VanessaE oh G*d
14:07 VanessaE how do you survive? :)
14:08 nore 14:07 UTC The site is unavailable again. We appear to be under another DDoS attck which we are working hard to mitigate.  :-(
14:08 VanessaE github?
14:08 nore yes
14:08 VanessaE figures.
14:08 PenguinDad Got it right now over twitter
14:09 * nore wanted to make a pull request...
14:09 Peacock who'd ddos GH?
14:09 kaeza lamefun
14:09 kaeza :D
14:10 Peacock didn't know you could ddos shit with JS lol
14:10 nore Peacock: some big software company that hates FOSS?
14:10 thexyz some crazy faggots do
14:10 Peacock lets not get into the paranoid conspiracy theories lol
14:11 kaeza *aliens*
14:11 thexyz i assume they want some repo to be removed
14:11 PenguinDad they ddos because they want free private repos
14:11 nore why would someone want a repo to be removed?
14:12 thexyz imagine some stuff like wikileaks but hosted @ github
14:13 nore they wouldn't ddos github for that
14:14 nore they would shutdown their servers
14:14 PilzAdam github is under attack again
14:14 thexyz "they"
14:15 thexyz world != USA
14:15 PenguinDad The site is currently available, but we are still fighting against an ongoing DDoS
14:15 nore a bit long to load, though
14:15 Peacock faggot or esp  ( US ) fagot 1  (ˈfæɡət)
14:15 Peacock
14:15 Peacock — n
14:15 Peacock 1.a bundle of sticks or twigs, esp when bound together and used as fuel
14:15 Peacock why would sticks ddos GH?
14:16 thexyz because they're faggots
14:16 VanessaE it's interesting..github gets ddos'd and now the site I've been watching videos on (in Romania) is having a bandwidth problem.
14:16 VanessaE wonder if the DDoS is coming from that area or near it..
14:16 thexyz same DC?
14:16 nore ask them... ;)
14:17 Peacock probably a botnet based out of there
14:17 VanessaE could be
14:17 Calinou sauerbraten.org is also getting DDoS'd, but that's irrelevant
14:17 Calinou (as well as assaultcube's master server)
14:17 VanessaE (i've been watching those videos on trilulilu.ro if that matters)
14:18 Calinou that sounds like "trololololo.ro"
14:18 VanessaE heh
14:18 VanessaE maybe a little, but *shrug* the site usually works okay
14:19 VanessaE sad that I have to pull from there to watch a 7 year old cartoon :-/
14:19 thexyz torrent it
14:19 VanessaE I don't use torrents for TV shows, not for a long time
14:20 VanessaE too many prying eyes.
14:20 thexyz oh
14:20 Peacock dont know how reliable fullstream encryption is
14:20 Peacock but i have it on just in case it is lol
14:20 VanessaE of the kind that like to send allegedly legal threats, that
14:21 VanessaE is.
14:22 thexyz yeah, gotta buy some VPNs
14:22 VanessaE I'd rather just buy the tv show on blu-ray (or DVD if I have to resort to that ancient format)
14:22 Peacock industry doesn't seem to realize that people no longer plan their weeks around their favorite tv shows lol
14:22 VanessaE less bother and that way it's legit
14:23 thexyz VanessaE: and I'd rather buy it in some *digital* format, not those ancient age DVDs or BDs
14:23 Peacock yeah, until the disc starts skipping/not reading
14:23 VanessaE Peacock: they're slowly waking up to the idea....VERY slowly.
14:23 VanessaE BD/DVD isn't digital?
14:23 VanessaE O.o
14:23 thexyz not enough
14:23 VanessaE um...
14:23 thexyz I want a download, if that's not clear
14:23 VanessaE well sure, downloads are fine
14:24 thexyz which I can't damage or lose
14:24 VanessaE but BD (or even a good DVD) is usually better quality
14:24 PenguinDad but not for people with slow connections :(
14:24 thexyz VanessaE: how come
14:24 thexyz they could just serve exactly the same content
14:25 VanessaE thexyz: higher visual quality
14:25 thexyz um
14:25 VanessaE as in less or no MPEG artifacts, etc.
14:25 thexyz 18:24   thexyz: they could just serve exactly the same content
14:25 VanessaE they can't.
14:25 thexyz they don't want to
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14:25 Prestotron562 [deleted]
14:25 VanessaE you ever compared good blu-ray copy of something to the streaming version?
14:25 thexyz meh
14:25 thexyz 18:25   thexyz: 18:24   thexyz: they could just serve exactly the same content
14:25 VanessaE even the best streams just can't compare
14:25 thexyz please READ READ READ THIS
14:25 Prestotron562 [deleted]
14:25 VanessaE I READ IT DAMN IT
14:26 Peacock ...
14:26 Prestotron562 [deleted]
14:26 thexyz now I'd like to point you to the word "exactly"
14:26 Prestotron562 [deleted]
14:26 thexyz "exactly the same"
14:26 VanessaE so, you got 15-20 Mbps to spare to stream a BD-quality video?
14:26 Prestotron562 [deleted]
14:26 VanessaE and a server that can keep up with you and however many thousands of others?
14:26 thexyz not stream, download; and I'm sure it'll be cheaper than manufacturing all those bds
14:26 VanessaE Prestotron562: github is under a DDoS right now in fact.
14:27 VanessaE that much is trie
14:27 VanessaE true*
14:27 VanessaE if you don't mind downloading 30 GB worth for one movie :P
14:27 thexyz I'm fine with it
14:27 nore 50GB
14:27 thexyz and then can as well provide different qualities
14:27 Prestotron562 [deleted]
14:27 VanessaE nore: figure 30GB of movie content + 20 GB of "special features" et al.
14:28 Peacock thats one thing that's confusing about torrents, if the file is 700~800mb, it doesnt really matter if it says bluray-rip or dvd-rip, its the same quality lol
14:28 Prestotron562 [deleted]
14:28 thexyz and, actually, h264 + 10-bit + some crazy CRF setting and you won't see the difference in action
14:28 Calinou Prestotron562: DDoS = flooded with requests of various types, by several (infected) computers
14:28 thexyz (well, you won't be able to play it on your dumb hardware player though)
14:28 nore s/several/a lot of
14:28 VanessaE thexyz: I thought BD already used h264?
14:28 Calinou yes, usually thousands
14:29 Calinou Prestotron562: the first D is for distributed
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14:29 thexyz VanessaE: maybe, I dunno
14:29 thexyz I'm sure if that's the case then they don't use the most optimal settings
14:29 thexyz because old hardware
14:29 Prestotron562 [deleted]
14:32 VanessaE not "shut off", denial of service e.g. you were flooded
14:32 VanessaE some friend if he feels the need to DoS you.
14:33 Prestotron562 [deleted]
14:33 VanessaE thexyz: maybe suboptimal settings, but it works well for me, or at least as well as DVDs ever did, save for taking a bit longer to load.
14:34 Peacock Prestotron562, that's all? arguments where i live end with a GSW half the time lol
14:34 Peacock (serious arguments i mean)
14:35 thexyz VanessaE: yeah, I mean, it's not optimal for its size
14:35 VanessaE GSW?
14:35 Peacock gun shot wound :p
14:35 VanessaE eek
14:35 thexyz where do you live?
14:35 VanessaE he's a brit :)
14:35 Peacock well, there are alot of farmers around the town, and alot of bikers in two, both are armed lol
14:35 VanessaE (I think)
14:35 Prestotron562 [deleted]
14:35 Peacock *in town
14:35 VanessaE no strike that
14:36 VanessaE you're a canuck right?
14:36 thexyz I'm not going here, don't want to be shot for another GPL/non-GPL argument :/
14:36 Peacock quebecois yeah lol
14:36 VanessaE right.
14:36 * VanessaE steals all of Peacock's maple syrup :D
14:36 Peacock in french part of country people shoot eachother, in the english part, its the cops shooting people lol
14:37 Peacock VanessaE that was you? http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/million+maple+syrup+stolen+Quebec+recovered/7336807/story.html
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14:38 VanessaE haha
14:38 kaeza of course >.> <.<
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14:42 Peacock why would people think im british? because i spell colour with a u? ll
14:42 Peacock *lol
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14:43 VanessaE Peacock: well to be fair, didn't the brits leave a pretty strong influence up there in syrup-land? :)
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14:44 Peacock well they left the catholic church in charge in quebec (until the 60's quiet revolution), they werent quite as reckless with the rest of the country
14:44 VanessaE oy :(
14:45 Peacock the same church that turned orphans over to university and learning hospitals for testing and experimentation
14:45 PenguinDad Fun Fact: BD means comic in French
14:45 Peacock Quebec became very secular when these and other facts were brought to light
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14:46 Peacock though now the english part of the country calls us racist because we won't let the muslims impose their religious views here :/
14:48 Peacock funny thing about anglo-canadians, they bend over backwards to please every group that came after them, but not those who were here before them (french and native americans)
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14:52 PenguinDad cute http://1.asset.soup.io/asset/2378/7889_a860.jpeg <3
14:54 PenguinDad Cat Content kills :D
14:55 VanessaE haha
14:55 VanessaE cute :)
14:57 PenguinDad i found it on Diaspora* if it's interesting for somebody
15:06 hoodedice (I survived with Xubuntu)
15:07 hoodedice Oooooooooooooooooh
15:07 hoodedice https://identicons.github.com/hoodedice.png
15:07 hoodedice !title
15:07 MinetestBot hoodedice: Document isn't HTML
15:07 hoodedice (lol)
15:08 hoodedice This is so gonna be my next avatar
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15:08 hoodedice https://identicons.github.com/minetest.png
15:09 rubenwardy Hi all
15:09 hoodedice Yo
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15:11 NekoGloop :3
15:12 PenguinDad NekoGloop: coffee for you http://1.asset.soup.io/asset/2378/7889_a860.jpeg :3
15:12 NekoGloop I don't drink coffee
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15:13 * PenguinDad throws a chest full of kittens at NekoGloop
15:16 * Jordach throws a kitten at PenguinDad
15:16 * Jordach throws a kitten at NekoGloop
15:16 * Calinou throws a jarate at Jordach
15:16 * Jordach puts a kitten on Calinou's head
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15:17 PilzAdam /me fails
15:17 * Jordach hides
15:18 * Peacock throws coffee at NekoGloop
15:18 Peacock oups, forgot you dont drink it :p
15:19 * Jordach throws coffee at Peacock
15:19 Peacock already have a cup :p
15:19 Jordach lol
15:19 * hoodedice leaves
15:19 * Jordach slaps hoodedice for leaving
15:21 Peacock wow, ill be celebrating my 300th autoban soon lol
15:21 Jordach fuck man
15:22 Peacock well 2/3's are nick bans, which just proves IP bans arent enough
15:22 Jordach how'd you even ban by nick
15:22 Jordach (this SHOULD BE DEFINITELY part of minetest builtin)
15:23 Peacock simple, i override the default ban function, add the name an array thats serialized and read at startup
15:23 Tesseract Jordach: Remind me how to select and deselect individual verticies in blender. Box select and clear is getting annoying...
15:23 Peacock then on joinplayer, i check if the nick is already in the list, and ban again
15:24 Jordach Tesseract, click the cube with a yellow-y point in the corner
15:24 Jordach (top left)
15:24 Jordach lemme explain more
15:25 Peacock and if i see someone with different nicks and similar enough IP's getting autobanned regularly, i ban the whole ip range
15:25 Tesseract I see no cube in the left corner.
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15:25 Tesseract I am in edit mode BTW.
15:27 Jordach Tesseract, http://i.imgur.com/dCVvJGt.png
15:27 Jordach look for that
15:28 Peacock jordach http://pastebin.com/cj18Lwnt
15:29 Jordach notbad.png
15:29 Peacock it also bans any idiot who cant pick a unique name without using more than two digits lol
15:30 Tesseract Jordach: Found it.
15:30 kaeza Peacock, also ban "[xX][xX]+.+[xX][xX]+" :P
15:30 nore Peacock: if someone connects with a nick like abc1234, can he connect again with another nick?
15:30 Peacock what kind of name would that ban?
15:31 Peacock nore not unless they release renew ip too
15:31 kaeza Peacock, anything that starts and ends with "xx" (case insensitive)
15:31 Peacock not a bad idea
15:31 kaeza oh actually, "^[xX][xX]+.+[xX][xX]+$"
15:32 nore kaeza: banning [xX][xX].*[xX][xX] is enough
15:32 nore same
15:32 Peacock but i was thinking of pattern matching for valid names like [A-Z][a-z]+[0-9][0-9]"
15:32 Peacock though i suck at regex
15:32 Tesseract Might as well ban .* while you area at it...
15:32 kaeza ^
15:32 kaeza good idea :P
15:33 kaeza also ".*[Mm][Cc].*" :P
15:33 nore and IPs *.*.*.*
15:33 Peacock well only griefers and pains-in-the-asses chose complicated names to complicate bans, so i like to get a head start
15:33 nore oops, .*\.;*\..*\..*
15:34 * kaeza will login as "IlIIlll1IIlllI"
15:34 Peacock in any case its not the quantity of players that matter, its the quality
15:34 Peacock if i cared about quantity id write a bot to connect multiple times lol
15:35 Tesseract Peacock: You arean't going to get (m)any quality players if you ban all of them.
15:35 Peacock i have enough quality players that seem to be able to chose proper names and build proper things
15:35 kaeza Tesseract, quality over quantity as they say
15:36 kaeza it's preferable to have 2 good players than 40 griefers/dumbasses
15:36 Peacock and you have to wonder exactly who some of these griefers are that claim to not have/want a forum account
15:36 Peacock what kaeza sai
15:36 Peacock *said
15:37 Tesseract Yes, but he is going to lose a lot of good players to bans.
15:37 Peacock though i have my doubts about some of these griefers, especially no one seems too interested in comparing ban lists lol
15:37 Peacock *as no one
15:38 Peacock Tesseract my good players dont seem to have that problem
15:38 Tesseract Even on my server a mod accidentaly got himself banned.
15:38 kaeza blame the mod ev-- o wait
15:38 kaeza dev*
15:39 Peacock how does your moderator get himself banned unless you use autoban yourself?
15:39 Tesseract He banned himself...
15:39 kaeza Tesseract, only way xban would ban someone is if the user had the same IP or same nick
15:39 Tesseract ^
15:39 kaeza well, that's another problem
15:40 Peacock not much anyone can do about same IPs
15:40 Peacock or "brothers/sisters/daughters/sons" using same accounts for that matter
15:41 Tesseract Jordach: I found that button, but now what? Also, my view origin seems to have shifted...
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15:41 Jordach Tesseract, i dunno
15:42 Jordach Tesseract, what are you doing
15:42 Tesseract Jordach: do I have to hold shift or something?
15:42 Jordach err, what
15:42 Tesseract Trying to select individual verticies with my cursor.
15:42 Jordach shift + right click
15:43 Jordach if you get the wrong one, shift+ rmb again on the wrong vert
15:43 Tesseract Thanks.
15:43 * Jordach wishes object mode worked like that
15:43 Jordach Tesseract, #blender
15:45 Jordach if you have a really hard issue, Olson or JA12 might help out
15:45 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Use errorstream instead of std::cout in pathfinder.cpp 75a139e62c 2013-08-16T08:42:12-07:00 http://git.io/fkqsZg
15:46 * NekoGloop hugs alll the kittenses~
15:48 Jordach Tesseract, told you, the boys in #blender know more than me :D
15:49 * sokomine watches a horde of kittens climb on nekogloop because they expect him to bear food
15:51 * NekoGloop gives each kitten a fishy~
15:56 sokomine hm. did something regarding voxelmanip change recently or am i just blind today?
15:56 Tesseract sokomine: What issue are you having with it?
15:59 sokomine i've tried it for my mcimport mod already and it did work fine there to a degree. now i want it to generate a flat area with layers (dirt_with_grass, dirt, loam, stone etc.) and it doesn't seem to do anything
15:59 sokomine see http://pastebin.com/xghENhLj
15:59 sokomine might be that i'm blind today.....
16:00 Tesseract Well the read_from_map lane if far too long...
16:00 Tesseract line is*
16:01 Tesseract You can pass MaxEdge and MinEdge directly to voxelarea:new. No need to copy it.
16:01 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to minetest/minetest: Fix modstore pagecount 4095e8f383 2013-08-16T08:54:19-07:00 http://git.io/F4sGwQ
16:01 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to minetest/minetest: Use get_texturepath() instead of get_gamepath()/../textures a2380bf76f 2013-08-16T08:44:39-07:00 http://git.io/oPwxuA
16:01 sokomine ah. that's fine
16:02 rubenwardy Git hub is crap
16:02 Tesseract Run minetest.get_content_id before the loop and store it in a local variable.
16:02 rubenwardy It does not show my read me, because it extension is MD not md
16:02 * Tesseract rewrites the code.
16:03 sokomine in this case, that may be less relevant because it's called in the outer loop. unless there's a good reason to rearrange the order of the loops
16:05 sokomine which may be the case, given how voxelmanip works. but as long as i do need Voxelarea:index for each node, it may not matter
16:05 sokomine what currently puzzles me is that nothing at all seems to happen
16:05 kaeza rubenwardy, Linux filesystems are case sensitive :P
16:05 kaeza foo.MD != foo.md
16:05 Tesseract sokomine: Is it posible to pass it pos1 and pos2 instead of pos and dim?
16:07 sokomine yes, could be done
16:07 Tesseract And is comaptability with older versions of minetest important?
16:07 sokomine but what i'd like to know right now is why nothing seems to happen. the map does not change
16:07 rubenwardy kaeza: pm
16:08 sokomine rubenwardy: what did github do to you? it seems quite useful for hosting code
16:08 rubenwardy <rubenwardy> It does not show my read me, because it extension is MD not md
16:08 Tesseract local layer_node_id = 126; -- air
16:08 sokomine no, compatibility with older versions is not important. this needs place_schematic and voxelmanip - so a relatively new version is required anyway
16:08 Tesseract Hardcoding the content id of air?
16:09 sokomine you don't need to optimize the code yet. just tell me where i'm wrong/what i forgot :-)
16:09 sokomine optimizing can come later when i'm entirely sure what i want to do
16:09 Tesseract I can't read the code in it's current state, I will give you a rewritten version.
16:10 sokomine ah yes, know that problem....
16:16 Peacock what's wrong with "lrfurn_sofa_left_top_"..colour..".png[transformR270" ?
16:17 PilzAdam Peacock, add a ^ in front of the [
16:17 Tesseract sokomine: a:index(x, z, y) might have something to do with it...
16:18 Peacock aaah lol thanks
16:19 PilzAdam sokomine, the position passed to VoxelArea:index() is absolute, not relative
16:19 PilzAdam ... or was it the other way round?
16:20 Tesseract PilzAdam: That too.
16:20 PilzAdam nope, its absolute
16:21 PilzAdam sokomine, so you might want to add ep1.x and ep1.z to x and z
16:21 Tesseract sokomine: Try this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5993334/
16:22 PilzAdam Tesseract, pos + x is wrong
16:22 PilzAdam you need VoxelArea.MinEdge, which is equal to ep1
16:22 PilzAdam and you also only need the x part, so ep1.x + x
16:23 Tesseract PilzAdam: Nope, MinEdge and MaxEdge are only used for initalization. The whole point of voxelarea is to ignore MinEdge and MaxEdge.
16:24 Tesseract Or at least partly, it also lets you use coordinates.
16:24 PilzAdam ehm
16:24 PilzAdam the index counting starts at ep1, not pos
16:25 PilzAdam and the voxel area doesnt even know about pos, it only knows about ep1 and ep2
16:25 PilzAdam ep1 is equal or lower than pos
16:25 PilzAdam your way will fail when ep1 is lower than pos
16:26 VanessaE bbl
16:26 Tesseract voxelarea:index takes the position you want to set, which is pos + x/y/z voxelarea already knows about ep1 and ep2 and adjusts properly.
16:27 PilzAdam ah
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16:27 PilzAdam sorry, I thought you want to loop through the whole voxelarea
16:28 Tesseract But it is wrong, it should be pos.x/y/x + x/y/z
16:33 sokomine ah. so i swapped y and z in index(...) obviously, and adding originpos seems to be necessary. works now! thank you
16:34 sokomine with a:index(originpos.x+x, originpos.y+y, originpos.z+z);   it does indeed work
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16:37 sokomine ups - got a message that sql mapdata failed to save. when checking, found out that i indeed ran out of disk space. that message seems to be new :-)
16:38 PilzAdam should be this one: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/d718b0b34eda84744778fa12a01d5be5f03753d3
16:38 sokomine just wanted to say thank you to whoever did it :-)
16:38 PilzAdam it has nothing to do with sql, though
16:38 PilzAdam it only applies to other files, like env_meta.txt or player files
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16:39 sokomine that's very fine! as i said, it helped a lot this time
16:39 sokomine a good improvement. thank you for implementing it!
16:40 Jordach PSST... http://i.imgur.com/u7UwXdr.png
16:40 sokomine tesseract: thank you for the hint regarding the index
16:40 sokomine those seem a bit blurry, jordach
16:40 Jordach sokomine, it's like that on purpose
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16:40 sokomine family of a griefer? or victims of a sudden unprovoked player-attack?
16:40 Jordach uh uh
16:41 sokomine though then perhaps only their faces would be blurry
16:41 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=105141#p105141
16:42 * Jordach closes blender before anyone finds out
16:47 * Jordach smells pizza
16:48 Jordach Peacock, what version of Minetest are you using
16:49 Peacock 0.4.7 git y?
16:49 Jordach just checking
16:49 Jordach and watch that terminal ;)
16:50 Jordach still loading \o/
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16:54 Jordach Peacock, can you TP me to one of the contries
16:54 Peacock you wouldnt be able to build there anyways
16:55 Jordach btw, the lag, it's killing me
16:56 Jordach aaannnnd open inventory - crasssh!
16:56 Peacock more people than usual on
16:57 Jordach BrandonReese, you about
17:03 Tesseract sokomine: YW.
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17:06 kaeza I have been randomly looking at some older topics... it seems Hybrid Dawg deletes his posts every once in a while lol
17:08 * Jordach isn't cutout for minetest multiplayer
17:09 Tesseract Is there a function to get a side of a node from it's facedir in builtin?
17:10 kaeza as in, position?
17:10 Tesseract Yes.
17:10 BrandonReese Whats up Jordach?
17:10 Jordach BrandonReese, dont worry
17:10 kaeza wasn't there a facedir_to_dir function?
17:10 kaeza you could use that plus some vector path
17:10 BrandonReese ok
17:10 * Jordach has nearly forgotten how to multiplayer in minetest
17:11 Tesseract I need facedir to pos...
17:11 kaeza err... vector math
17:11 Tesseract Hmmm, maybe with my vector helpers...
17:13 Tesseract But that will probably give me the front, I need the back...
17:13 kaeza invert the operation?
17:14 Tesseract Why all the new pixelated avatars?
17:17 thexyz http://glsl.heroku.com/
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17:23 kaeza Tesseract, ?
17:24 PilzAdam Tesseract, you mean at github? I think they use them as default
17:25 PenguinDad PilzAdam: they use them as default
17:28 * Jordach feels sick
17:28 Jordach cheese really doesnt work with me :P
17:29 PenguinDad which cheese :P
17:29 Jordach the one that's usually used on pizza
17:30 PenguinDad That's bad :/
17:41 Evergreen Wow, I am so sorry that you have to miss out on the wonderfulness that is pizza
17:42 PilzAdam Jordach, can I have your pizza then?
17:42 * sokomine inspects the pizza and considers if it is eatible
17:45 Leoneof no enemy in minetest yet?
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17:46 PenguinDad without additional mods no
17:47 Leoneof ok
17:54 kaeza anybody free to do some testing? :)
17:58 * NekoGloop noms kaeza
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18:02 diemartin dafuq
18:12 PenguinDad diemartin: which sort of testing?
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18:16 Jordach Evergreen, PilzAdam: i can normally eat it fine
18:17 Evergreen Oh
18:17 Evergreen Aww....
18:18 Evergreen A question:    what is everyone's favorite font(s)?    I found a really nice website called theleagueofmovabletype.com
18:18 Evergreen IT has really high quality open source fonts
18:20 Calinou ubuntu fonts are pretty good
18:20 Calinou I like "droid" too
18:20 PenguinDad DeepGaze was very long here lol
18:20 PenguinDad I like Roboto
18:20 PilzAdam Jordach, I dont care, giveme the pizza!
18:21 Jordach /giveme*
18:22 Calinou 18 players on LandRush :O
18:22 PenguinDad Jordach:givePizza(PilzAdam)
18:23 Calinou 2 segfaults when joining 2 servers...
18:25 Jordach that makes segfault22
18:25 Jordach :P
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18:42 SegFault22 ecube is still away...
18:42 SegFault22 oh well.
18:43 Jordach ecube does have a life
18:43 SegFault22 I know. But he's been auto-logging for several days
18:44 SegFault22 which makes no sense, if he has a life, should he keep autoconnecting to IRC, while not even using it?
18:44 * Jordach does that
18:44 Jordach sfan5 too
18:44 Jordach people leave themselves logged in to check messages
18:45 Jordach (but reading is at the person's own free time)
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18:52 PenguinDad is it a bug or a feature that you can replace grass and junglegrass with another nodes?
18:53 Tesseract PenguinDad: It is deliberate.
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18:54 Jordach cheers for the IP Calinou
18:54 Jordach * Calinou (~Calinou@106.209.118.80.rev.sfr.net) has joined >:D
18:54 Calinou no u
18:54 Jordach syn flooding time </joke>
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18:54 Calinou syn?
18:55 * Jordach is more interested in finishing a lightshow in blender
18:55 PenguinDad TCP handshake :D
18:57 * Jordach wonders if PenguinDad is 12
18:57 Calinou and what is this
18:58 Jordach oh fun, each light i add on to blender adds 50% rendering time
19:00 PenguinDad Jordach: you know of black magic
19:00 Jordach \O/
19:00 Calinou BLACK MAGIC.EXE
19:00 * Jordach hates being 40,000 years old
19:00 Jordach immortality != good fun
19:01 PilzAdam fun fact: you lose your penis at your 10,000th birthday
19:03 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/tCk0Mvu.png
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19:05 kaeza PenguinDad, mod testing
19:05 PenguinDad kaeza: i have time
19:06 Jordach you meant minetesting
19:06 * Jordach wonders why we're not test subjects
19:06 Jordach because minetest = a test
19:06 Jordach please tell me, there is cake
19:06 SegFault22 It's sad that the only server with more than 6 people online is the LandRush server... all the others have 6 or less, most have 0...
19:07 kaeza PenguinDad, do you have a world with homedecor?
19:08 PenguinDad Yes
19:09 SegFault22 Since singleplayer mode is so boring, Multiplayer is mostly what people go to when they want to play Minetest. But it is mostly empty, or the servers that aren't empty are unreliable/broken. Something should be done, but what is there to do?...
19:10 Calinou Jordach: you could reduce light detail
19:10 Calinou it looks like it's too high, shadows are very sharp
19:10 Jordach Calinou, i plan on turning the lights on and off repeatably
19:11 Jordach also: these are spotlight lamps
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19:24 Tesseract Jordach: Who is doing drums?
19:25 Jordach Sam/Fiola/PilzAdam
19:28 Tesseract http://imgur.com/IYbY9Yh
19:36 Jordach MISSLES!
19:36 * Jordach could draw a better one
19:38 Tesseract Jordach: Draw? You mean make a better model? The launcher needs work and I an working on textures for the controler now.
19:38 kaeza Tesseract, ICBM? :D
19:39 Peacock i thought they kept those things in silos lol
19:39 Peacock huh, it looks like the launcher in star trek 7
19:40 Tesseract kaeza: Yes, I am adding missles to my nuke mod.
19:40 Tesseract The issue is that it doesn't stay loaded.
19:40 Peacock how would they arrive at their target without force loading?
19:40 Peacock ahh, answers that
19:40 Tesseract You have to fly up, or I will have to reduce the launch height.
19:41 Peacock but someone has to be at the destination?
19:41 PilzAdam imagine an ICBM + duplication bug
19:42 Peacock you should schematisize a mushroom cloud :-)
19:43 kaeza suddenly, this comes to mind http://31.media.tumblr.com/622fc691db4059e21472caf1aba85fc8/tumblr_mkgpp01Qs31s1ha05o1_r1_500.jpg
19:44 Tesseract Hmmm, am animated mesh should do.
19:45 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/871 cool :D
19:47 Peacock screens or it didnt happen :p
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19:52 Jordach Tesseract, http://i.imgur.com/2G14IOl.png
19:53 Jordach voxel ballistic missle
19:54 Peacock vbm?
19:54 Peacock sounds like visual basic mediocre lol
19:56 Tesseract Jordach: Nice. blend/x?
19:56 Jordach you want it uv wrapped too>
19:56 Jordach in a 64x32px png
19:56 Jordach that shouldnt take me long
20:06 Tesseract http://i.imgur.com/dQcq5BG.png
20:08 Jordach faithful user spotted
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20:09 Vazon hay
20:09 Tesseract I currently use this to hit the target position: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5994026/ Does anyone know of a way to do it with acceleration? It just shoots up and then abck down straight at the target without speeding up or slowing down.
20:10 Vazon Do what?
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20:12 Vazon Anyone want to join my server i need some builders
20:19 Peacock just check the Public box your bound to get one builder for every 30 griefers lol
20:20 Vazon Yes i no that is why i asked here
20:21 Peacock the proportions are about the same here :p
20:22 kaeza griefing? someone called? :3
20:22 Peacock lol
20:22 Vazon True but i can tell who to trust more than others
20:23 Peacock the people you can most trust are the ones who use the same names everywhere
20:23 Jordach eg me
20:23 Vazon Yes i no that
20:23 Vazon What Jordach?
20:24 * Jordach always uses the same name
20:24 kaeza don't trust the names too much :P
20:24 Vazon O so do I
20:24 Peacock except server admins themselves so they can get some P&Q on their worlds lol
20:25 Vazon Lol well i use this name every where
20:27 Peacock yay, made marble tiles (for countertops) now to make cabinet doors
20:27 Vazon What are you doint pea cock?
20:27 Vazon Peacock?
20:28 Calinou lol "pea cock"
20:28 Peacock instead of using single-style kitchen cabinets, im making seperate countertops and cabinet doors you can use on any node
20:28 Vazon Sorry i did not mean that
20:28 Calinou corn roaster!
20:28 Vazon O cool
20:28 Vazon I wish there was a node block that causes anti gravity Floating room
20:28 Peacock not sure what texture to use for doors tho
20:29 Calinou Vazon: theorically possible
20:29 Peacock well you can create a node with an abm that detects nearby players, attaches an invis. entity that goes up
20:29 Calinou no, just set gravity when entering node
20:29 Peacock or that, not familiar with newer stuff lol
20:30 Peacock gravity you can set the weight but not the direction right?
20:30 Vazon O ok where do i go to create a node
20:30 kaeza ._.
20:30 Vazon No i dont want the gravity to be changed every where just whne you contact one of thos node blocks
20:31 Peacock a real stanford torus is prolly beyond the realm of possibilities tho
20:32 Vazon O ok
20:33 Peacock imagine a dyson sphere, the map would have to be 100* as big lol
20:33 Vazon Ok
20:33 Peacock lol
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20:34 aldobr hi all
20:34 Vazon Hi
20:35 aldobr kaeza:  ?
20:35 aldobr i finished a g-code parser
20:35 aldobr it outputs a list of points
20:35 aldobr now i need to understand how the schematic api works
20:35 kaeza aldobr, ¿
20:36 aldobr hi kaeza
20:36 aldobr im working on a form of integration between minetest and freecad
20:36 kaeza sup
20:36 aldobr so people can draw things in cad and export it to minetest
20:36 aldobr my gcode parser is done
20:37 aldobr now i need to output the data in schematic form
20:37 aldobr so it can be imported into minetest
20:37 aldobr where is the schematic api help ?
20:38 aldobr freecad -> (stl file) -> Slic3r -> (gcode file) -> gcode2mt -> (set of x,y,z points) -> minetest
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20:38 kaeza lol
20:39 kaeza <insert "yo dawg" joke here>
20:39 Peacock send a postcard while on this trip :P
20:39 aldobr whats lol about it ? :P
20:39 Peacock lol -> very scenic route :P
20:39 Peacock mind you mine isn't much easier either
20:40 kaeza ah binvox?
20:40 Peacock yeah you have to  convert shit back and forth
20:40 Jordach Tesseract, finished texturing and UV
20:40 aldobr oh
20:40 aldobr now i found binvox
20:40 aldobr wtf
20:40 aldobr all the work for nothing
20:41 aldobr does minetest accept minecraft schematic ?
20:41 Peacock nope
20:41 Peacock well i think theres a converter, but i dont know if it does schems or maps
20:41 kaeza maps I think
20:41 Tesseract There is a converter for legacy maps.
20:42 Jordach Tesseract, http://i.imgur.com/4LrECsJ.png
20:42 Peacock so youd have to learn to read the binary data
20:42 Jordach the UV didn't wish to line up right
20:42 kaeza aldobr, for the .mts file format you may want to ask hmmmm
20:42 Peacock and there's still the issue of obtaining the sourcecode for the latest binary (GPL stuff)
20:42 kaeza dunno if there's a published document about it
20:42 Tesseract Jordach: Nice.
20:42 Jordach you want it?
20:42 Peacock or use the old binary and dist that one's sourcecode, though it doesnt have as many formats
20:43 Tesseract Jordach: Yes.
20:43 aldobr well..
20:43 aldobr i've done the preliminary work using pascal
20:43 aldobr i will translate it to lua and release
20:43 Peacock if youre nearly done, stick with what gives you the least license headaches :P
20:44 Tesseract The only major issues now are that the rocket stays straight up the whole way (can't set pitch), it gets unloaded, and t shoots straight at the target after going up 50.
20:45 Peacock Tesseract https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/606
20:46 Jordach Tesseract, what blender version are you using, as i'm using 2.67b atm
20:46 kaeza https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/871#issuecomment-22792151 :|
20:46 nore Tesseract, you can use voxel manip to force load world
20:47 Jordach dammit sfan5
20:47 Jordach y u have disconnect
20:47 Tesseract Jordach: 2.68a
20:47 Jordach good
20:47 Tesseract nore: I know, but I will have to continually load it every step.
20:47 Jordach Tesseract, http://sfan5.duckdns.org/upload/missle.zip
20:47 Vazon Hay guys how do i select many nodes at once and delete them on my server?
20:48 Tesseract Peacock: I know of that pull, but it isn't merged and it is hacky.
20:48 Tesseract Vazon: Get WorldEdit //pos1 //pos2 //set air
20:48 Vazon We have world edit i believe hold on let me check
20:49 Jordach Vadtec, /mods
20:49 Jordach do that in minetest
20:49 Vazon Yep we have it
20:49 Jordach and it will list em all
20:49 Peacock how is it hacky?
20:50 Vazon Um it didnt work Tesseract
20:50 Jordach Vadtec, /grant Vazon all
20:51 Vazon Ok well i thought i had all but ok
20:51 Tesseract Peacock: It adds entities to the list of players used for loading.
20:51 Vazon Ok then what do i do?
20:51 Peacock well yeah you'd kinda have to fake players cuz the engine wouldn't recognize anything else to make the world load :p
20:53 Vazon What is the exact command to make things air
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20:54 Jordach Vazon, //pset
20:54 Jordach then punch two blocks
20:54 Vazon Ok
20:54 Jordach then //set air to remove them
20:54 Vazon Thanks
20:55 Vazon Nope didnt work :/
20:55 Tesseract Peacock: The proper way would be to add a list of things that load the world and how much they load, players would be added to that list and entities could specify the range to load.
20:56 nore_ Tesseract, it is possible to load specigic blocks with vixel manipulator if you have git version
20:56 Peacock how does vmanip load chunks?
20:56 kaeza Vazon, Jordach, "//p set", not "//pset"
20:57 Vazon O ok
20:57 nore_ you read from map a node somewhere, and the block containing that node will be loaded
20:57 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Changes to support the latest schematic probability specification. 272541c9da 2013-08-16T13:57:35-07:00 http://git.io/YhhbBw
20:57 MinetestBot GIT: Uberi commited to Uberi/MineTest-WorldEdit: Add worldedit_limited. 9ab52df56a 2013-08-16T13:56:38-07:00 http://git.io/sWm13w
20:58 Vazon Omg none are working everyone the ones you are giveing me are wrong
20:58 Jordach Vazon, worldedit needs to be installed server side
20:59 Jordach we dont have client side mods
20:59 Vazon Yes i know it is it was one of the first things we put on
21:00 Peacock w/ client side mods i think hacked clients would become the least of our concerns lol
21:01 Vazon ok i use the select thing on the nodeprotection and it gives me when i type /set air i get air=<not set>
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21:03 Vazon How do i set air?
21:03 Calinou /set air
21:03 Vazon did you read the one i just posted?
21:03 Vazon [17:01] <Vazon> ok i use the select thing on the nodeprotection and it gives me when i type /set air i get air=<not set>
21:03 kaeza *//set air
21:03 kaeza double '/'
21:04 Vazon that gives me /set invaild command
21:04 Peacock read what kaeza said
21:04 kaeza then worldedit is not properly installed :3
21:04 Vazon um ok hold on maby its not activated
21:04 Peacock /set
21:04 Peacock shit
21:04 Peacock *  //set
21:04 kaeza ////////////////set
21:05 Peacock you have to double slash (like emos do)
21:05 * kaeza wonders why WE commands use double slash
21:05 Vazon Omg yes i no and it fails
21:05 Peacock the lE37ness
21:05 Peacock ?
21:05 Vazon Ok yes it isnt installed right
21:06 Peacock god knows i stuck multinode in the inventory and never looked back
21:08 Vazon Ok i fixed it but now it shut down the server
21:09 Peacock improvement or?
21:09 Vazon No i didnt do it it did it's self
21:10 Peacock how did you install it? modstore or ye olde fashion way?
21:10 nore_ it is perhaps worldedit's version checkee
21:10 nore_ if you have an old mineresr version, like 0.4.7 stable, with a new version of worldedit
21:10 Peacock shutdown isnt quite as useful as a simple warning though
21:10 Vazon Yes whne i type //p set it tells me to click to nodes by punching then when i do it shuts down the server
21:11 nore_ no, it should display a message
21:11 nore_ then it crashes
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21:11 Vazon O ok
21:11 Peacock if you have to punch to set markers, how do select air?
21:11 nore_ so this is a new but a bit old version of we
21:12 kaeza Peacock, magic
21:12 Peacock wet chicken magic?
21:12 kaeza ...or //pos1 or //pos2
21:12 Vazon Yes im use in the 4.7 stable so how do i find the older version
21:12 nore_ yiu nees to update minetest or use an older version of we
21:12 nore_ it is perhaps in the forum post
21:12 Vazon i tried the newer version and it sucks so yea im useing the stable
21:13 Vazon ok
21:13 Tesseract nore_: The VM trick isn't working...
21:14 Peacock simple, write a bot to pose as player, attach it to missile, should be less hacky :P
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21:17 Menche lol, look who GGABOOK's 5th favorite forum member is: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=105868#p105868
21:18 Vazon Ok fixed miner installed the most recent version
21:19 Vazon I had to install the sable 4.7
21:19 Peacock sable -> translator -> sand
21:19 Vazon stable sorry
21:20 nore_ Tesseract, what is your code?
21:20 Peacock :P
21:20 nore_ did you call read_from_map?
21:22 Peacock wtf, i meant to draw drawers but i got a stair pattern instead :/ lol
21:28 Tesseract nore_: Yes.
21:29 Tesseract local p1, p2 = vector.subtract(pos, 16), vector.add(pos, 16)
21:29 Tesseract vm:read_from_map(p1, p2)
21:29 Tesseract Called on every step.
21:30 nore_ is pos integer?
21:32 Tesseract nore_: No...
21:32 Peacock http://s15.postimg.org/94mokf3rv/screenshot_2299196847.png
21:32 Peacock not crazy about the texture of the cabinet doors tho
21:33 thexyz Menche: as usual, no one loves me ;_;
21:33 * NekoGloop stabs thexyz
21:34 nore_ tesseract, try to change the coordinates to integers, with pos.x=math.floor (pos.x), etc
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21:35 Tesseract nore_: I did vector.round and it still fails.
21:36 nore_ what does print (dump (p1)) says, and same for p2 and pos?
21:37 Tesseract Already did that, it seems normal.
21:37 nore_ and what is precisely the problem?
21:38 Tesseract I even tried with a range if 64. It only slows down minetest. The problem is that it unloads.
21:39 nore_ you mean, the code unloads the area once it is out of range?
21:39 Tesseract Likely Minetest sees that those blocks can be unloaded on the next step and unloads them.
21:40 nore_ and with that code in get_staticdata?
21:40 Tesseract They were loaded on the last step, but now have no players near them, and therefore they are unloaded.
21:40 sfan5 Jordach: hm?
21:40 Tesseract Last I tried get_staticdata was never called on unload.
21:40 Jordach i was uploading to your service as it disconnected
21:40 nore_ tesseract, there is an unloaded block timeout setting, so the bug is not there
21:41 Tesseract nore_: I think that is client-side.
21:41 nore_ what do you mean, not called
21:41 nore_ tesseract, does it work with #606?
21:41 Tesseract As in I put a print() in it, punched some TNT, went away, and nothing was printed.
21:42 Tesseract I imagine it will, but this should work with mainstream Minetest.
21:44 * Jordach thinks browsers aren't meant for YT playback
21:44 * Jordach then pastes YT link into VLC
21:44 Jordach much better
21:44 Peacock #606 might be hacky, but its less hacky than the alterntives :p
21:44 Jordach less crackle, more awesome :D
21:44 Tesseract nore_: Is it rebased over a recent version?
21:44 Peacock jordach what about snap and pop?
21:45 nore_ nope
21:45 nore_ i am looking at the code right now...
21:45 Jordach Peacock, in my browser, youtube cracks and pops when there is CPU laod
21:45 Jordach load*
21:45 Peacock disable hw accel
21:46 Jordach Peacock, hm
21:46 Jordach might try that
21:46 Jordach but i needed to convert a youtube video for audio
21:46 Tesseract nore_: Can you rebase it?
21:46 nore_ tesseract, it does the unload every 2 seconds
21:47 nore_ tesseract, not now, i am not on my computer
21:47 Tesseract The VM trick seems to let it go a little higher, so that would explain that.
21:48 Tesseract Unless every block has a timestamp that read_from_map resets.
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21:49 nore_ and force loading that area with minetest.after?
21:50 nore_ minetest.after (0, ..)
21:50 nore_ so area is loaded on next step
21:51 Jordach PilzAdam, i'm going to have some fun
21:51 Jordach 6496 frames \o/
21:51 nore_ and I checked, get_staticdata is called
21:52 nore_ it might be a typo, check the function name
21:52 * Jordach wants to start work on the band animatics, then finish with a crowd
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22:02 nore_ so, what does it give with minetest.after?
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22:05 nore_ from what I saw in the code, you won't be able to activate that entity again without modifying the engine
22:06 nore_ because objects are activated again by the same coee that deactivates them
22:06 nore_ and read_from_map will be useless, since it only reads the map, but does nit activate objects in it
22:06 nore_ bbl
22:29 thexyz better formspecs https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-stress/blob/master/tests/test_formspice.lua
22:31 kaeza thexyz, that seems better than stuffing everything in a string
22:31 kaeza +directly
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22:34 * kaeza also read line 14 as 'value="acababa"' (sort of "it came" in spanish :P )
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22:40 thexyz kaeza: and this is the main goal of stress, to be better
22:41 * Jordach found KDE for Windows
22:41 kaeza any plans to merge this into minetest?
22:41 kaeza (like the vector helpers)
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22:42 thexyz no this will be a separate mod
22:43 thexyz also, there are vector helpers in minetest
22:43 kaeza ehh... that's what I said...
22:43 thexyz oh, yeah
22:44 thexyz anyway, no, there are no such plans
22:44 thexyz last time I proposed table-based formspecs holywar happened
22:45 kaeza I think they are far better; more verbose, and easier to edit (you don't have to remember what every number means)
22:46 kaeza strings should be reserved for the internal communication between client/server
22:46 thexyz and you don't have to worry about escaping
22:46 thexyz I'd prefer a binary-based format plus a bunch of lua helpers
22:47 thexyz because formspecs are unreadable anyway
22:47 thexyz I'm curious though, any mod there using Minetest's vectors?
22:48 kaeza ShadowNinja uses them heavily IIRC
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22:49 kaeza other than that, I don't know of others
22:49 SegFault22 in 2 minutes, ecube will be idle for 24 hours (his client will have been connected for an entire day)
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22:50 PenguinDad i know somebody who has been idle for more than one week
22:50 proller thexyz, maybe... json for formspec?
22:53 thexyz proller: it'll be even harder to type in lua
22:54 PenguinDad bye guys
22:55 sdzen formspecs are absurd
22:58 proller +1
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23:02 MinetestBot GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Diagonal liquid animation 3ee8098708 2013-08-16T16:00:36-07:00 http://git.io/woclxQ
23:18 proller to discussion: http://dev.minetest.net/Formspec_json
23:26 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Send player damage to all clients and apply [brighten 787b43b218 2013-08-16T16:23:25-07:00 http://git.io/boWkwA
23:34 Peacock n-e know ServerBrasileiro?
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