IRC log for #minetest, 2013-08-14

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00:48	Miner_48er	what's the average amount of errors?
00:49	NekoGloop	the average amount of errors is 9001
00:50	Miner_48er	ok getting about a 1/3 of that
00:50	Miner_48er	the real answer for a server is?
00:53	PilzAdam	fishy day is over
00:53	PilzAdam	!op
00:53		Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net \| NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released \| RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels \| CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev \| SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers \| IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ \| WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net \| Today: Search MinetestBot
00:53	PilzAdam	!deop
01:01	* NekoGloop	frisks MinetestBot
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01:32	ShadowBot	:-)
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01:58	PilzAdam	bye
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02:21	OldCoder	john_minetest, Hi!
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02:32	SegFault22	Is there anyone online?
02:34	Tesseract	SegFault22: Only a hundred or so...
02:34	Tesseract	(Available is a different story...)
02:35	SegFault22	Good. I have an issue to discuss regarding forum moderators and an edit to one of my topics, that I see as unjust.
02:37	khonkhortisan	I don't use forums.
02:37	khonkhortisan	they're a cross between a wiki and irc
02:38	SegFault22	Just thought that I could get a reply and have action taken if I discuss it here, as on the forums the moderators would likely ban me fro such a discussion.
02:38	SegFault22	for*
02:41	SegFault22	The issue is that a forum moderator edited one of my topic posts for my mod. I had condensed information of the mod into [spoiler] and [/spoiler] tabs, so that the information could be accessed easily. the Moderator proceeded to remove the organization, and reply saying ''do not abuse spoilers''. However, on the forum rules page, there is no such a rule doccumented.
02:45	Tesseract	If it was a short topic the spoilers were unnecessary, but I don't thing that means a mod has to edit it.
02:47	SegFault22	It is now a pretty long topic, and was kinda long from the start. With the spoilers condensing information into tabs, it was less than a page long, but users could still access information. Now it is a mess.
02:50	SegFault22	I would like two things to be done because of this: 1, I want to get assured/authorized to edit the post and re-sort it into spoilers, and 2. I want the Moderators to be re-assured that they don't have absolute power, and may not, for example, edit anyone's post for any reason they feel like is enough reason to take that action.
02:52	SegFault22	There have been many occurences of this, where moderators act like they have absolute power and do whatever they want, which I and many others see as unjust.
02:53	Tesseract	Perhaps you should ask the moderator in question why they did it.
02:55	SegFault22	The moderator posted a reply stating ''Do not abuse the spolier tag - it is not meant for hiding stuff like license terms, to-do, etc. It is meant for hiding stuff people should otherwise need to discover by using the mod.'' I do not want to ask the moderator, as the moderator might ban me for ''being against their ruling and actions'' or something.
02:56	SegFault22	I also think that the Rules page should be eddited to include rules that Moderators must follow, to keep them from thinking they have ''absolute power'' and vandalizing people's posts for whatever reason.
02:56	Tesseract	The full text of license terms should only be linked.
02:56	SegFault22	?
02:57	Tesseract	You only become a moderator if you are well trusted.
02:59	SegFault22	True... but they are still taking action and editing posts/banning people for trivial and/or whatever-they-think-of reasons.
03:04	SegFault22	How can I contact Celeron55 or another administrator, to get action to be taken to stop this?
03:05	Tesseract	SegFault22: /msg celeron55/the\|xyz/etc. If you want to continue with it...
03:06	SegFault22	I see. thank you.
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03:24	SegFault22	Anyone remember bcnjr5 and his server?...
03:26	SegFault22	nevermind. I must be leaving now.
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03:39	Miner_48er	anyone use node ownership
03:39	Tesseract	Miner_48er: Yes, but I would recommend my areas mod.
03:39	Miner_48er	advantages?
03:40	Miner_48er	link?
03:40	Tesseract	It is much easier to use, supports names, does about one fourth of the proccessing per-node, supports /protect...
03:41	Tesseract	shadowninja.minetest.net/areas.tgz
03:42	Tesseract	Most importantly it allows admins to interact without needing their own subarea.
03:42	Miner_48er	ok what format is that file in>
03:43	Tesseract	gziped tar.
03:43	Miner_48er	ok
03:43	Tesseract	Need a .zip?
03:44	Miner_48er	no I extracted it twice
03:44	Miner_48er	what servers have this installed?
03:46	Miner_48er	you've tested this?
03:46	Tesseract	Mine, not sure about others, but redcrab planned to install it when he was around...
03:46	Tesseract	Yes.
03:46	Miner_48er	reliable?
03:46	Tesseract	My server is latest git, so no guarantees for old servers. But it is stable.
03:47	Miner_48er	should be reliable on 4.7
03:48	Tesseract	And if there are issues I will fix them quickly.
03:53	Miner_48er	could you make a zip file?
03:54	* Tesseract	tries.
03:57	* Tesseract	might go offline soon...
04:01	Tesseract	Miner_48er: same url, but .zip.
04:02	Miner_48er	ok thx hwlping somone make a server without much software
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04:09	* sdzen	finally figured out how to run a mumble server
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04:24	Miner_48er	how to disable bones?
04:25	Tesseract	rm -r mods/bones (unless it is included in world.mt)
04:26	Miner_48er	already created work
04:28	Miner_48er	no bones currently in it so safe to remove?
04:28	Tesseract	Yes, it should be safe to remove, and the server will tell you if there is an issue.
04:29	Miner_48er	ok
04:33	Miner_48er	disable fire?
04:34	Tesseract	disable_fire = true in minetest.conf
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05:33	khonkhortisan	it will tell you there's an issue if you come across bones
06:06	thexyz	VanessaE: please don't vandalize peoples' posts https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=104763#p104763; [spoiler] tag is meant for hiding stuff, and spoilers
06:08	kahrl	has anyone had a water bucket replace the node pointed at, when emptied?
06:08	kahrl	using fast_move I managed to do that three times now, but I can't do it reliably
06:09	kahrl	those were dirt_with_grass nodes and yes, my minetest_game has commit 68020d2
06:23	thexyz	kahrl: some people on my server managed to replace chests with other nodes
06:25	thexyz	I think I solved the issue by setting `buildable_to` to false for :ignore
06:25	thexyz	I'm not sure why `true` is here
06:27	kahrl	nodedef tells why: // A way to remove accidental CONTENT_IGNOREs
06:27	kahrl	but there are other to do that than place nodes
06:27	kahrl	other ways*
06:29	thexyz	no, I don't get how could there be "accidental CONTENT_IGNOREs"
06:31	kahrl	there used to be a whole box of them on gameboom's server when I played there
06:32	thexyz	hm.. I've never seen one
06:33	thexyz	wait, do they look like a detached player hand?
06:34	kahrl	they should look like air
06:35	thexyz	oh, well
06:38	sfan5	mornin' everyone
06:41	kahrl	hi sfan5
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07:33	* VanessaE	grumbles at thexyz
07:33	VanessaE	I will NOT be called a vandal.
07:34	VanessaE	"A spoiler is an element of a disseminated summary or description of any piece of fiction that reveals any plot elements which threaten to give away important details concerning the turn of events of a dramatic episode."
07:37	VanessaE	if you wanted to add a tag that's meant for simply collapsing elements in the page, then add one. Don't repurpose and redefine "spoiler".
07:41	VanessaE	I just got in a big fight with a fuel sender assembly and my hands are torn all to hell from cut sheet metal, so I'm a little crabby right now.
07:41	VanessaE	(I won the fight)
07:42	VanessaE	(yes, at 3+ am I was working on my car)
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07:44	VanessaE	not to mention I'm starving my ass off and thirsty as the desert, but I can't partake because I have a doctor's appointment in about 3 hours (fasting)
07:44	VanessaE	hi taoki.
07:44	Taoki	hi
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07:47	thexyz	VanessaE: yes! I wanted "a tag that's meant for simply collapsing elements in the page"
07:48	thexyz	this is called spoiler, welcome to the internet
07:48	thexyz	this is how everyone uses them!
07:50	VanessaE	um
07:50	VanessaE	no, it's not.
07:50	thexyz	no, no, not all sites that have [spoiler] tags are about movies
07:51	thexyz	or "any piece of fiction"
07:51	thexyz	so this quote is invalid
07:51	VanessaE	whether "everyone" uses them that way or not, a spoiler is not supposed to be used to just collapse page elements, it's supposed to be used to HIDE stuff that users aren't supposed to see
07:51	thexyz	anyway, please treat spoiler as an element "to be used to just collapse page elements"
07:51	thexyz	at Minetest forums
07:51	* VanessaE	shrugs
07:51	thexyz	because I added it exactly for that purpose
07:51	VanessaE	whatever
07:52	thexyz	thanks for understanding
07:52	VanessaE	when I last checked, things like the license, download links, etc were supposed to be clearly visible.
07:54	thexyz	I agree that license should be clearly visible
07:55	thexyz	but changelog or todo can be hidden under a [spoiler] tag, there's nothing wrong with it
07:56	thexyz	do you agree with that?
07:57	VanessaE	fine
07:57	VanessaE	this needs to be spelled out in the forum rules then.
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07:58	VanessaE	for every post one of us has to correct, someone else is gonna bitch that it was fixed. "wrong"
07:58	VanessaE	-.
07:59	thexyz	what's this "has to correct" stuff?
08:00	VanessaE	I've already had to undo shit like [spoiler][spoiler][spoiler][spoiler][spoiler][spoiler][spoiler][spoiler][spoiler][spoiler][spoiler][spoiler][spoiler]some four or five word phrase here[/spoiler][/spoiler][/spoiler][/spoiler][/spoiler][/spoiler][/spoiler][/spoiler][/spoiler] etc..
08:00	VanessaE	(except the last one was buried about 3 or 4x farther down)
08:01	VanessaE	idc who someone is, THAT is abuse.
08:02	thexyz	hm
08:02	thexyz	that is
08:02	thexyz	but putting todo list under a [spoiler] tag is not
08:02	VanessaE	perhaps not - as long as it's only one level deep.
08:04	thexyz	also, who did that?
08:04	VanessaE	I think HybridDog did, I forget now
08:04	thexyz	we probably should add this to the rules
08:04	thexyz	and then just ban guys who do that
08:06	VanessaE	a ban is a little extreme I think
08:06	thexyz	Misuse of forum tags is disallowed. Moderators are to decide what is considered "misuse".
08:06	thexyz	just for an hour or two
08:06	thexyz	or a day
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08:28	VanessaE	bbl
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08:45	kaeza	mornings
08:46	* Calinou	puts a pony on kaeza's head
08:50	* kaeza	puts nouveau on Calinou's head
08:50	PenguinDad	howdy
08:51	kaeza	hey PenguinDad
08:58	JamesTait	Good morning all, happy Soyuz TM-25 landing day!
09:00	thexyz	sfan5: you should implement "!today" command for MinetestBot
09:01	sfan5	oh lol
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09:02	PenguinDad	MinetestBot is back \o/
09:03	sfan5	!op
09:03		Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net \| NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released \| RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels \| CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev \| SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers \| IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ \| WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net \| Today: Bring flowers for MinetestBot
09:04	sfan5	!deop
09:04	sfan5	!voice PenguinDad
09:05	* kaeza	puts a moonflower on MinetestBot's head
09:08	kaeza	!up 10.0.0.3
09:08	MinetestBot	10.0.0.3:30000 seems to be down
09:08	* MinetestBot	plants kaeza's moonflower in the Minetest garden
09:08	sfan5	kaeza: 10.x.x.x are local ips
09:08	kaeza	IK
09:09	kaeza	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=105475#p105475
09:09	* PenguinDad	puts a Taraxacum on MinetestBot's head
09:09	Calinou	"MineTest." :(
09:10	* MinetestBot	plants PenguinDad's Taraxacum in the Minetest garden
09:10	thexyz	lol
09:10	thexyz	users.append([l[idx].firstChild.firstChild.data,l[idx+1].firstChild.data,l[idx+2].firstChild.data,l[idx+3].firstChild.data,l[idx].firstChild.getAttribute("href").split("=")[1]])
09:11	* sfan5	throws a kitten at Calinou
09:11	kaeza	thexyz, O_O
09:12	* Calinou	drinks kaeza's berserk potion
09:12	thexyz	!sfu PilzAdam
09:12	MinetestBot	PilzAdam Developer 3,147 posts, registered on 2012-07-20 \| id: 2443
09:12	thexyz	hm, odd
09:13	* sfan5	just got an idea
09:13	sfan5	need to add a special color for Devs
09:14	Calinou	color for what?
09:14	thexyz	i wonder why does this work
09:14	sfan5	Calinou: try /msg MinetestBot !sfu celeron*
09:15	Calinou	that'll highlight him :/
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09:16	sfan5	test
09:16	Calinou	ificate
09:17	sfan5	^Wion
09:19	sfan5	MinetestBot: reload forumutils.py
09:19	MinetestBot	sfan5: forumutils.py: no such module!
09:19	sfan5	!op
09:19	sfan5	!sfu PilzAdam
09:19	MinetestBot	PilzAdam Developer 3,147 posts, registered on 2012-07-20 \| id: 2443
09:19	sfan5	?
09:19	kaeza	bold
09:19	sfan5	!deop
09:20	sfan5	derp
09:20	thexyz	!sfu a
09:20	MinetestBot	thexyz: No Results found
09:21	sfan5	!op
09:21	sfan5	!sfu PilzAdam
09:21	MinetestBot	PilzAdam Developer 3,147 posts, registered on 2012-07-20 \| id: 2443
09:21	sfan5	why won't the colors work?
09:21	sfan5	they work in query but not in the channel
09:24	jin_xi	!derp
09:25	MinetestBot	jin_xi: Sorry, I am currently unable to derp for you
09:25	* sfan5	hides
09:26	thexyz	!regex
09:26	thexyz	no?
09:27	thexyz	!re a b
09:27	MinetestBot	IndexError: tuple index out of range (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/rutils.py", line 227, in <genexpr>)
09:27	thexyz	lel
09:27	thexyz	!re a
09:27	MinetestBot	thexyz: Give me a regex and a message seperated by `
09:28	thexyz	!re (\w+)\([\w\s]+)/$`COPRO*HORIZON 2000 HOR
09:29	thexyz	BYE
09:30	thexyz	!derp
09:30	thexyz	!sfu a
09:31	thexyz	well i didn't like it much anyway
09:31	sfan5	um
09:31	sfan5	!re (\w+)\([\w\s]+)/$`COPRO*HORIZON 2000 HOR
09:31	sfan5	MinetestBot!
09:31	sfan5	god damnit
09:31	sfan5	thats my vps again
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09:32	sfan5	!re (\w+)\([\w\s]+)/$`COPRO*HORIZON 2000 HOR
09:32	sfan5	MinetestBot!
09:33	sfan5	sigh
09:33	sfan5	MinetestBot!
09:33	sfan5	!re (\w+)\([\w\s]+)/$`COPRO*HORIZON 2000 HOR
09:33	thexyz	kekeke
09:33	sfan5	!re (\w+)\([\w\s]+)/$`COPRO*HORIZON 2000 HOR
09:33	sfan5	MinetestBot1
09:33	thexyz	it's dead
09:33	sfan5	MinetestBot!
09:33	sfan5	seems so7
09:33	thexyz	forget about it
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09:35	sfan5	MinetestBot!
09:35	MinetestBot	sfan5!
09:35	sfan5	!re (\w+)\([\w\s]+)/$`COPRO*HORIZON 2000 HOR
09:35	sfan5	ah, that regex keeps minetestBot busy
09:35	sfan5	using 100% right now
09:35	sfan5	+cpu
09:36	thexyz	that was the point
09:36	thexyz	sometimes i just look for the most obvious security hole in your bot's source code and then use it
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09:42	PenguinDad	hi iqualfragile
09:43	iqualfragile	hi PenguinDad
09:43	iqualfragile	hi everybody
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09:53	mirda	hello, moreblocks:iron_stone_bricks have broken recipe, it shows unknown item for stone brick in crafting guide (unified_inventory) and cannot be crafted, i am trying it on landrush server
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09:58	sfan5	MinetestBot!
09:58	MinetestBot	sfan5!
09:58	sfan5	!re (\w+)\([\w\s]+)/$`COPRO*HORIZON 2000 HOR
09:58	MinetestBot	NameError: global name 'time' is not defined (file "/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/rutils.py", line 232, in regex)
09:58	sfan5	lawl
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09:58	sfan5	MinetestBot: reload rutils
09:58	MinetestBot	sfan5: <module 'rutils' from '/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/rutils.py'> (version: 2013-08-14 09:58:40)
09:58	sfan5	!re (\w+)\([\w\s]+)/$`COPRO*HORIZON 2000 HOR
09:58	MinetestBot	sfan5: Regex took to long to compute
09:58	sfan5	^ thexyz
10:02	sfan5	!re ([0-9]+)(\s+([a-zA-Z0-9_$]+))*`123 foo bar _z $$$ lawl 0lol9
10:02	MinetestBot	true groups=[False]
10:02	sfan5	derp
10:03	sfan5	MinetestBot: reload rutils
10:03	MinetestBot	sfan5: <module 'rutils' from '/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/rutils.py'> (version: 2013-08-14 10:02:54)
10:03	sfan5	!re ([0-9]+)(\s+([a-zA-Z0-9_$]+))*`123 foo bar _z $$$ lawl 0lol9
10:03	MinetestBot	false
10:04	sfan5	MinetestBot: reload rutils
10:04	MinetestBot	sfan5: <module 'rutils' from '/home/stefan/mtbot/modules/rutils.py'> (version: 2013-08-14 10:04:15)
10:04	sfan5	!re ([0-9]+)(\s+([a-zA-Z0-9_$]+))*`123 foo bar _z $$$ lawl 0lol9
10:04	MinetestBot	false
10:04	sfan5	I should probably stop spamming
10:06	PenguinDad	regex spam :D
10:07	jin_xi	spam?
10:08	sfan5	spam and bacon
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10:46	thexyz	!rand 6 1
10:46	MinetestBot	ValueError: empty range for randrange() (6,2, -4) (file "/usr/lib/python2.7/random.py", line 217, in randrange)
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10:46	hoodedice	So...
10:52	FreeFull	!rand 1 6
10:52	MinetestBot	2
10:52	PenguinDad	!rand 1 12
10:52	MinetestBot	12
10:53	DanDuncombe	!rand 1 1200000
10:53	MinetestBot	1093102
10:53	thexyz	http://minetest.ru:8005/
10:53	thexyz	!title
10:54	thexyz	!rand 1 10
10:54	MinetestBot	9
10:54	thexyz	!title
10:56	PenguinDad	!rand 1 2
10:56	MinetestBot	1
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10:57	thexyz	http://minetest.net/
10:57	thexyz	!title
10:57	MinetestBot	thexyz: Minetest
10:57	thexyz	strange
10:57	MinetestBot	thexyz: No title found
10:57	MinetestBot	thexyz: No title found
10:57	thexyz	it's threaded, no fun
10:58	sfan5	hehe
10:58	PenguinDad	thexyz: my firefox says "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at minetest.ru:8005"
10:58	sfan5	!rand 1 1
10:58	MinetestBot	1
10:58	thexyz	http://minetest.ru:8005/
10:58	DanDuncombe	What do you think, compared to default? (WIP, haven't actually tried it yet) http://www.mediafire.com/?odolq0f2kfc3dit
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11:00	thexyz	wait, that's not fun, i have too much privs
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11:01	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
11:01	sfan5	hi PilzAdam
11:02	PenguinDad	Hi PA
11:02	DanDuncombe	Oh
11:02	DanDuncombe	God
11:02	DanDuncombe	MushroomMan is here!
11:02	sfan5	</badjoke>
11:02	DanDuncombe	He hates me.
11:02	* PilzAdam	hands MinetestBot flowers
11:02	MinetestBot	<3
11:03	* DanDuncombe	hands MinetestBot Mese blocks and diamonds
11:03	* MinetestBot	throws a bomb at DanDuncombe
11:04	* DanDuncombe	doesn't care in the slightest/
11:04	* MinetestBot	throws an explosive kitten at DanDuncombe
11:05	* DanDuncombe	eats it.
11:05	PenguinDad	Is Dan from China or Japan?
11:05	* DanDuncombe	does a huge explosive burp
11:05	sfan5	ugh
11:06	DanDuncombe	Kittens cause flatulence, you know.
11:06	DanDuncombe	Especially in outer space.
11:07	DanDuncombe	Can someone test my Windows Minetest installer?
11:08	DanDuncombe	It is not as good as the default one yet...
11:09	FreeFull	Sorry, linux here
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11:09	DanDuncombe	Only works for Windows I think.
11:13	Calinou	of course it's only for windows :P
11:13	DanDuncombe	Yeah.
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11:21	hoodedice	So...
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11:30	* Jordach	hands MinetestBot some flowers
11:31	MinetestBot	<3
11:32	PenguinDad	sfan5: I have an idea to the colour problems http://webtoman.com/opera/panel/ircdmodes.html
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11:34	thexyz	yeah
11:34	thexyz	and idea
11:34	sfan5	derp
11:34	thexyz	that sfan5 turned off +C instead of +c
11:34	sfan5	^ dero
11:34	sfan5	*derp
11:34	Jordach	DUN DUN DURR
11:34	sfan5	!op
11:34	kaeza	bold
11:34	sfan5	eh
11:34	thexyz	how stupid is that
11:34	sfan5	eh
11:35	sfan5	fuck you ChanServ
11:35	sfan5	!deop
11:35	Jordach	!!deop ChanServ
11:35	thexyz	that was hilarious
11:35	Jordach	or just temp disable ChanServ's memory
11:36	thexyz	enjoy MLOCK
11:37	Peacock	PAs builds are malicious? lol https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6915
11:38	Calinou	"chrome told me it was malicious."
11:38	Calinou	it'll tell you that for ANY .exe
11:38	Calinou	...
11:38	sfan5	the builds are .zip
11:38	Calinou	it's just someone who can't read an error correctly
11:39	Peacock	how is that determined, do people have to report these things, or they use some sort of algo?
11:39	Calinou	it's just something always done
11:39	Calinou	blame chrome, blame windows
11:40	Calinou	it'll even tell you that for .jar or .html files
11:40	sfan5	if $filename ~ \.exe$ then ask_the_user_if_he_really_wants_to_dl_it() end
11:40	thexyz	it also works on linux
11:40	Semilevel	just use Opera or Firefox, nobody forces you to use shitty Chrome
11:40	Peacock	opera -> joke, firefox -> chunky salsa
11:41	Peacock	though chromium > g. chrome
11:41	Peacock	there used to be, iron i think too
11:41	Semilevel	well, don't bother to bitch about Chrome then if things do not work or can't find settings to disable warnings.
11:41	Calinou	opera is a chromium clone now :P
11:41	Calinou	Semilevel: le chrome hatred
11:41	Calinou	chromium is best pony
11:42	Semilevel	I'm still on 12.16~
11:42	Peacock	? i wasnt bitching about chrome, was asking about the thread lol
11:42	Jordach	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=105466#p105466 <3
11:42	Semilevel	<3
11:42	Peacock	someone needs coffee lol
11:42	Semilevel	Peacock, yep
11:42	sfan5	so my raspi just simulated almost 100 000 generations of an conways game of life thing
11:43	* Jordach	loves game of Life
11:43	* Jordach	also enjoys the board game
11:43	Peacock	oh, and another reason to love pulseaudio : completely, radically different audio levels for flash and vlc, i nearly sharted myself loading a news clip this morning lol
11:43	kaeza	http://i.imgur.com/vUNF2PR.png
11:43	kaeza	dat face
11:44	thexyz	pupssshhhht audio is good
11:44	Calinou	le pulseaudio hatred
11:44	Calinou	consider not using VIA chipsets, that's all
11:44	Calinou	on top of that, it's no longer beta
11:44	Peacock	VIA?
11:45	Calinou	yes, some mobos still have (usually terrible) VIA chipsets
11:45	Peacock	pretty sure mine are stock hdaintel
11:46	sfan5	^ mine too
11:46	thexyz	i don't see anything wrong with pulseaudio, to be honest; for me (just "normal" user, not a musician or something) it just works
11:46	Peacock	me its the poppy/crackly stuff that drives me apeshit lol
11:47	thexyz	oh, that's odd
11:47	Jordach	har har.
11:47	thexyz	the only problem I have is that wine grabs audio output
11:47	Jordach	i use USB Speakers bitches
11:47	thexyz	sometimes.
11:47	Peacock	took quite a few googles to find tsched = 0/false (dont remember which value)
11:48	Peacock	and on the newer rig, everytime i pause a video, the audio dies, i have to adio -> disable then reselect track, though since switch audio output module to alsa theres no problems
11:49	Peacock	(grammar will improve with coffee intake :P)
11:51	thexyz	dunno, doesn't happen to me
11:51	Jordach	Blender is an asshole: http://i.imgur.com/5NYVkT5.png
11:51	thexyz	did you report this bug?
11:52	Peacock	to PulseAudio? lol they have the same denial issues as unity devs lol
11:52	Calinou	haters gonna hate, Peacock
11:52	Calinou	if you don't know how to report bugs, they will deny it
11:52	Calinou	if you keep saying "your software is shit", same thing
11:52	Peacock	calinou some projects will use any excuse to keep bug reports to a minimum, thats when users stop bothering reporting them
11:53	Calinou	Jordach: USB on linux is russian roulette
11:53	thexyz	Peacock: did you report this bug?
11:53	Calinou	Peacock: no.
11:53	Calinou	just no
11:53	Jordach	Calinou, my Triton Headset works with it
11:53	Calinou	yes, on windows
11:53	Jordach	it works with PulseAudio
11:53	Peacock	calinou, how long you been using linux and associated software?
11:54	Peacock	thexyz there are a ton of open reports yes
11:54	Calinou	since 2009
11:54	sfan5	!c 4*1024
11:54	MinetestBot	4096
11:54	Peacock	calinou come back to me when its been ten years :p
11:54	Calinou	sfan5: that's easy to do it yourself, lol
11:54	Calinou	Peacock: linux is constantly evolving
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11:54	sfan5	Calinou: when you do kernel programming your brain has other things to do
11:55	Peacock	calinou wasnt reallly talking about evolution, just different atitutdes to bug report depending on where you file
11:55	Calinou	there is no "attitude"
11:56	Peacock	if you say so lol
11:56	Calinou	in general, if you write a bug report that isn't long but still has enough info, it will be used by the developers
11:56	Calinou	and if you don't start being pissy about the bug too
11:56	thexyz	Peacock: so, there is a bug report that matches your problem exactly, correct?
11:56	Peacock	usually its the dev responsible who gets pissy (again, this is project-specific)
11:57	Peacock	thexyz, like i already said, the solution was to tsched = 0
11:57	thexyz	15:48 < Peacock> \| and on the newer rig, everytime i pause a video, the audio dies, i have to adio -> disable then reselect track, though since switch audio output module to alsa theres no problems
11:57	Peacock	oh that, i got bounced between VLC and pulseaudio
11:57	Calinou	which software?
11:57	Calinou	I can pause a video on parole just fine
11:59	PenguinDad	Fun Fact: In Audacious you can use SDL as Audio Driver
12:00	thexyz	Peacock: so did you report it?
12:00	Peacock	i told you, vlc and pulseaudio blamed eachother, i have better things to do than argue with either
12:01	Peacock	this one took 5 months for them to admit it existed: https://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/6181
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12:01	Peacock	a year and a half before getting a fix lol
12:05	sfan5	PenguinDad: make sense, SDL includes an audio api aswell
12:05	thexyz	Peacock: can you just answer "yes" or "no"?
12:06	PenguinDad	sfan5: yeah I know that
12:06	Peacock	let's see, if they blamed eachother, then they were obviously made of aware of the problem, no?
12:07	thexyz	it's hard to talk with you, let me ask again: did you report it? (y/n)
12:08	Jordach	thexyz, you arent forced to submit bugs on linux
12:08	Peacock	its hard to talk with someone who can't deduce things, yes i emailed them about the problem
12:09	thexyz	Peacock: yeah, it's hard to talk with silly stupid me, I understand; anyway, since I'm so stupid, let me ask another question: why did you email them instead of opening a bug in bugtracker?
12:10	Peacock	registrations, automated emails for every comment, having to check back every few months, etc.
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12:11	Peacock	get a much clearer answer contacting the project/dev directly
12:11	Peacock	besides, like minetest has bugs forums, and github issues, other projects have both of those, plus a bug tracker lol
12:11	thexyz	you don't have to, it's just if you want this bug to be fixed/be fixed faster
12:12	Peacock	well if they answer your email at least you know theyre aware of the problem
12:13	thexyz	of course they do
12:13	thexyz	for the following 5 minutes or so
12:13	Peacock	well some users have more free time to deal with these things than i do
12:14	Peacock	and if the devs are busy too then i dont have more time to put on it
12:17	Peacock	its funny though, people can say a thousand times chrome/google/facebook/ms is evil, but any comment that casts any project in the slightest bad light, and this place turns into nuremberg :P
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12:19	thexyz	Peacock: then don't complain
12:20	mirda	now i am as Ritchie :)
12:20	Peacock	because we're not allowed to speak ill of anything non-prop?
12:20	mirda	exit
12:20	Peacock	as if the opposite isn't annoying after the 1000th time
12:21	thexyz	no, you either report a bug and then complain or complain and then are told to report a bug
12:22	Ritchie	moreblocks:iron_stone_bricks has broken recipe, it shows unknown item for stone brick in crafting guide (unified_inventory) and cannot be crafted, i am trying it on landrush server. Problem is in mod moreblocks or landrush server has something bad?
12:22	Peacock	i complained about them passing the buck, which ain't the same as not bothering to report the problem in the first place
12:22	Peacock	in any case people are way too touchy about their favorite sw
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12:38	Peacock	Sky Tower (jenga) http://www.dysturb.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/mvrdv2.bmp
12:40	sfan5	!c 131072*2
12:40	MinetestBot	262Â 144
12:40	sfan5	Peacock: > 2013 > .bmp
12:40	Peacock	?
12:41	thexyz	>2013 >slow connection
12:42	Calinou	there are lot of people with slow connections (eg. 512 kbits), even in developed countries
12:42	Peacock	im talking about the tower, not the file format? (take it up with the webmaster)
12:42	Calinou	.bmp is still terrible, though
12:42	kaeza	Calinou, why?
12:42	Calinou	it's uncompressed
12:43	kaeza	...so?
12:43	Calinou	so it's inefficient and big
12:43	Peacock	take it up with the webmaster?
12:43	kaeza	uncompressed == fast to read
12:44	Ritchie	bmp is format, where every pixel have described RGB colors
12:44	kaeza	anyway it's not like you can use PNGs without uncompressing them in memory
12:44	thexyz	lol
12:44	thexyz	this channel should be renamed to #holywars
12:44	thexyz	also, that sky tower sucks
12:44	Ritchie	uncompressed != fast to read
12:44	Peacock	lol only on #minetest does showing an arcitecture pic degenerate into a format war lol
12:44	Ritchie	:D
12:45	kaeza	Ritchie, ok, good point there
12:46	kaeza	still, bmp does not suck
12:46	thexyz	no it does
12:47	thexyz	for daily usage
12:47	Ritchie	bmp has same size in Bytes for one resolution whatever is in this image
12:47	thexyz	.png is better
12:47	Ritchie	thexyz: +1
12:47	Peacock	can we have an offtopic channel for these kinds of debates?
12:47	kaeza	of course, but that's not the point :)
12:48	PenguinDad	#minetest-flamewars :D
12:48	kaeza	bmp has it's uses
12:48	thexyz	also, h264 is better than vp8
12:48	thexyz	anything else?
12:48	kaeza	yes, SDL sucks
12:48	thexyz	kaeza: like..?
12:48	kaeza	use Allegro
12:49	kaeza	thexyz, archaic OSes :P
12:49	thexyz	that's a bad argument
12:49	thexyz	any others?
12:50	kaeza	ok, bmp sucks :\|
12:50	Calinou	<kaeza> yes, SDL sucks
12:50	Calinou	le SDL hatred
12:51	Peacock	kaeza not easy to quit smoking on here is it :P
12:51	PenguinDad	SDL is good for old systems
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13:18	Jordach	ladies, ladies, put the format war bazookas down
13:24	thexyz	.psd sucks
13:25	thexyz	https://code.google.com/p/xee/source/browse/XeePhotoshopLoader.m?r=f16763d221dfca6253983824b470adf553a19e06#108
13:29	* Calinou	backstabs Jordach using format war spylactite
13:39	* PenguinDad	raises his Format War Rifle
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13:53	DanDuncombe	Is anyone here good at building modern blocky prefab buildings? Like this: http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT0liI50MPEVAPSez42stWBoEXWl4SoMtkakCygpawbybWr6itc
13:54	DanDuncombe	If so, could someone build one with the prefab mod and pm me a screenshot.
13:59	DanDuncombe	Never mind.
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14:21	FreeFull	kaeza: What's wrong with SDL?
14:21	kaeza	?
14:22	FreeFull	"< kaeza> yes, SDL sucks"
14:22	kaeza	see previous line
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14:23	kaeza	wrong button...
14:23	FreeFull	I don't see anything on the previous line that answers my question
14:24	kaeza	FreeFull, that was meant as a joke to the_xyz's question
14:24	PenguinDad	I use SDL for the sound output of Audacious :D
14:25	FreeFull	kaeza: Allegro isn't actually that bad nowadays =P
14:25	FreeFull	SDL wins though
14:25	FreeFull	Especially with the changes 2.0 has brought about
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14:25	FreeFull	It'll take a while until everyone ports their things to 2.0
14:25	kaeza	I have yet to try SDL 2.0
14:25	kaeza	tried 1.2 (?), didn't like it
14:26	FreeFull	SDL is the easiest way I found to make a C program portably output audio so far
14:26	kaeza	actually, I have used Allegro for quite a while, and found the SDL API too hard to use
14:26	kaeza	but it's just me
14:27	FreeFull	Doing direct writes to the screen buffer is slightly iffy
14:27	FreeFull	But not too bad
14:28	FreeFull	At least, it was in 1.x, I haven't checked what it's like in 2.x yet
14:28	FreeFull	My distro already has SDL2 in its repositories along with SDL1
14:31	DanDuncombe	Where the hell is the travelnet mod? I can't find it anywhere...
14:32	PenguinDad	https://github.com/sokomine/travelnet
14:32	DanDuncombe	Thsnks
14:33	FreeFull	http://wiki.libsdl.org/moin.fcg/MigrationGuide This talks about the changes
14:33	FreeFull	PenguinDad: irssi
14:35	DanDuncombe	Doesn't this look beautiful? Kind of blends... http://s10.postimg.org/nn8tsz3eh/screenshot_11837391.png
14:36	DanDuncombe	It is the kind of amazing buildings they should build, not stuff like this: http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://someinterestingfacts.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/How-Tudor-Houses-Were-Made.jpg&imgrefurl=http://someinterestingfacts.net/how-tudor-houses-were-made/&h=600&w=800&sz=145&tbnid=N0vtekP2P3ensM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__R9iSluF9q213nnsxyUTharHK6Jk=&docid=J-YYLab83nBGRM&sa=X&ei=ypULUs6OFcTK0AWx3ICoBw&ved
14:36	PenguinDad	FreeFull: 4 minutes to late :P
14:37	PenguinDad	DanDuncombe: please shorten your links by using !sh v.gd [link]
14:37	Peacock	speaking of long-ass links lol
14:37	DanDuncombe	!sh v.gd
14:37	MinetestBot	DanDuncombe: Give me an url shorten service and an address
14:37	MinetestBot	DanDuncombe: Supported Services: is.gd, v.gd
14:37	FreeFull	You're not meant to link using google anyway =P
14:37	FreeFull	You could just link directly to the image
14:39	Peacock	yeah google links are incredibly long, ontop of the original it contains
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14:48	Miner_48er	has the snow mod been fixed so it dosen't snow underground?
15:01	DanDuncombe	!sh v.gd http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://someinterestingfacts.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/How-Tudor-Houses-Were-Made.jpg&imgrefurl=http://someinterestingfacts.net/how-tudor-houses-were-made/&h=600&w=800&sz=145&tbnid=N0vtekP2P3ensM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__R9iSluF9q213nnsxyUTharHK6Jk=&docid=J-YYLab83nBGRM&sa=X&ei=ypULUs6OFcTK0AWx3ICoBw&ved=0CEEQ9QEwAQ&dur=182
15:01	MinetestBot	DanDuncombe: http://v.gd/JnkOKc
15:04	kaeza	DanDuncombe, the point of using !sh is to do so via PM :P
15:04	PilzAdam	why dont you give a direct link to the image?
15:05	PenguinDad	PilzAdam: that's the other question
15:06	DanDuncombe	Does WE save facedir?
15:06	DanDuncombe	Also: Is VanessaE there?
15:06	Peacock	she's gone to London to the see Queen
15:07	DanDuncombe	Oh, really, all the way from North Carolina?
15:07	Peacock	whats odd with that? are you racist against people from North Carolina?
15:08	DanDuncombe	No, but would she comeall the way to England?
15:08	Peacock	:P
15:08	DanDuncombe	to see the Queen?
15:08	DanDuncombe	Anyway, I'm talking with the Queen now, and I don't see VanessaE.
15:10	DanDuncombe	What a cheery place this is! http://s24.postimg.org/cz6jlv605/screenshot_13813656.png
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15:11	DanDuncombe	[sarcasm]Wouldn't you just love to live there?[/sarcasm]
15:11	rubenwardy	Hi all
15:11	DanDuncombe	Hello
15:11	kaeza	hey ruben
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15:21	DanDuncombe	Lol http://www.thelongestlistofthelongeststuffatthelongestdomainnameatlonglast.com/wearejustdoingthistobestupidnowsincethiscangoonforeverandeverandeverbutitstilllookskindaneatinthebrowsereventhoughitsabigwasteoftimeandenergyandhasnorealpointbutwehadtodoitanyways.html
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15:25	DanDuncombe	What is the difference between indev and v7 mapgen?
15:26	rubenwardy	indev is old
15:26	rubenwardy	it is just an alternate path
15:26	rubenwardy	iirc, anyway
15:26	sfan5	!title
15:26	MinetestBot	sfan5: Longest URL in the world was? Find out now.
15:30	DanDuncombe	Pineapples FTW!
15:30	rubenwardy	I need ideas
15:30	rubenwardy	What does capture the flag need?
15:31	rubenwardy	1> A flag :P
15:31	rubenwardy	for a minetest game that is
15:31	DanDuncombe	2) some definition of teams
15:31	rubenwardy	check
15:31	rubenwardy	that also handles city vs city games (players can attack another teams city and take it over)
15:31	DanDuncombe	3) Some for of arena maybe?
15:32	DanDuncombe	4) A time limit
15:32	DanDuncombe	5) Weapons
15:32	DanDuncombe	6) Different classes of player
15:33	DanDuncombe	EG, scout, heavy, doctor, citizen, soldier, officer, fruit-picker
15:33	DanDuncombe	Fruit pickers are most deadly
15:34	DanDuncombe	ICBMs of some sort
15:34	DanDuncombe	Players to do it
15:38	rubenwardy	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=95955#p95955
15:38	rubenwardy	is a screenshot
15:45	PilzAdam	bbl
15:48	Peacock	well, ill definately need a new mouse - just had an office space moment with the old one XD
15:53	Peacock	oddly enough, the 7yr old ps/2 still works flawlessly for the p4 lol so i took that one's usb mouse
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16:11	rubenwardy	My game, capture the flag, will use chat plus
16:12	rubenwardy	should i make the main mod, "capturetheflag" depend on chatplus, and put the chat stuff there (players can only see their own team)
16:12	rubenwardy	or should I make a new mod and put the chatplus stuff their
16:12	rubenwardy	there
16:13	PenguinDad	rubenwardy: make "capturetheflag" depend on chatplus
16:13	rubenwardy	ok
16:14	Peacock	id say make the team chatting seamless (integrated)
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16:19	Peacock	is the chat part of the hud, or layered over it ?
16:20	rubenwardy	ask minetest_dev
16:20	rubenwardy	oh
16:20	rubenwardy	no
16:20	Peacock	i wouldn't go there without three oil tankers of gin first lol
16:21	rubenwardy	All chatplus does if overide the default sender on 't' and allow you to cancel messages to certain players
16:21	rubenwardy	s/if/is
16:21	rubenwardy	so cancel if sender is on ignore list, or is not part of team
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16:22	rubenwardy	there is /all which sends the msg to all players
16:22	Peacock	i was actually thinking, if chat was part of hud, id move it to the bottom right, make the font smaller and add more lines/history, and move the 8 tiles to the left
16:22	rubenwardy	yeah
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16:22	Peacock	and keep the hud layer beneath the inv layer
16:23	thexyz	lol https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6919
16:23	rubenwardy	yeah
16:23	sfan5	inb4 someone bans Ragnar again
16:23	rubenwardy	idea!
16:23	Peacock	lol
16:23	thexyz	I'm interested!
16:23	Peacock	i read "inb4 someone bangs Ragnar again"
16:24	rubenwardy	competition for 'who is the most nooby ish'
16:24	rubenwardy	ragnar vs likwidcraft
16:24	DanDuncombe	Please tell me what you think https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=105573#p105573
16:24	sfan5	The allowed languages are:[...]JavaScript
16:24	sfan5	inb4 lamefun will compete
16:24	thexyz	guys how about we all participate?
16:25	sfan5	"Maximum size of the code may only be 10MB" lawl
16:25	rubenwardy	"Codes may not be compiled! If they are then you will be disqualified!"
16:25	rubenwardy	"C and C++"
16:25	rubenwardy	WTF?
16:25	sfan5	^
16:25	DanDuncombe	!title
16:25	MinetestBot	DanDuncombe: Minetest_Mapper for Windows- made easier! (Page 1) â€” Minetest-related projects â€” Minetest Forums
16:25	sfan5	DanDuncombe: is it a batch script?
16:25	thexyz	rubenwardy: you don't get it
16:25	rubenwardy	oh
16:25	DanDuncombe	Yes, sfan5
16:25	thexyz	rubenwardy: that means you should provide the source, not binary file
16:25	rubenwardy	they mean supplied in compiled format
16:26	thexyz	(I think)
16:26	rubenwardy	yeah
16:26	* sfan5	haz idea
16:26	thexyz	I'm interested in what kind of programs are we to write in those competitions
16:27	sfan5	Some of you know that I wrote a small kernel for the raspberry pi, I'll just send in my Program for that, it uses a custom libc and nonstandard things :D
16:27	thexyz	it starts in an hour!
16:29	sfan5	who will send in an Hello World program?
16:29	* NekoGloop	noms sfan5
16:30	* sfan5	throws a kitten at NekoGloop
16:30	NekoGloop	:3
16:30	* Peacock	fires futon torpedos at NekoGloop
16:30	* sfan5	puts a kitten on Peacock's head
16:30	* NekoGloop	tosses flowers at MinetestBot
16:30	MinetestBot	<3
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16:37	* jin_xi	is going to submit 10MB of CODE!!!1!11
16:39	thexyz	ok guys
16:39	MinetestBot	GIT: xyzz commited to minetest/minetest: Fix my name. 6228d634fb 2013-08-14T09:35:38-07:00 http://git.io/qtif0g
16:40	thexyz	since shell is allowed, i'm going to submit this: perl -e '$??s:;s:s;;$?::s;;=]=>%-{<-\|}<&\|`{;;y; -/:-@[-`{-};`-{/" -;;s;;$_;see'
16:40	thexyz	or this ISF=$(echo '%\%#{<-{}<&{`' \|tr ' -/:-@[-`{}' '`-{/ -');$ISF 2>/dev/null
16:40	thexyz	though no, I'm not that evil
16:50	Exio4	wait wait
16:50	Exio4	is gnawhatevershit, the java coder, ragnar?
16:51	Peacock	who knows, there are so many MPD's on minetest lol
16:51	* Jordach	prepares the ban hammer
16:51	Jordach	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=105570#p105570
16:51	Peacock	ban hammer > sfan's "op position" lol
16:53	thexyz	Jordach: why?
16:54	thexyz	are you seriously going to ban people for holding a programming contest with prizes?
16:54	Jordach	thexyz, he's linking his own place rather than using our own forums
16:54	Jordach	thexyz, he's spamming his own shit
16:54	Jordach	> prizes?
16:54	Jordach	lol. fat chance of anything
16:55	Peacock	well if you start banning people for promoting their own stuff, there shant be anyone left
16:55	thexyz	yeah, well, some people in Minetest community are interested in coding so I don't see anything terribly wrong with this post
16:55	thexyz	I mean, he isn't spamming dragon dildos or something
16:55	Jordach	^ might make a new sig
16:57	Jordach	Peacock, thexyz - from other people's views, ragnar is pushing his limit
16:57	* Jordach	is also getting bored of the same shit daily.
16:58	Peacock	landmine did too and you kept him as a pet here for a year lol
16:58	Jordach	at least he was actually fun
16:58	Peacock	some people would debate that as well :P
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16:59	Jordach	Peacock, his IRC antics anyways
17:00	thexyz	wait, who did keep LM?
17:01	thexyz	this guy does nothing harmful as opposed to LM
17:01	Peacock	dunno, someone would ban him, someone else would unban the next day
17:02	thexyz	the fuck
17:05	Jordach	LM is harmful when pissed off
17:05	Peacock	i dont think he was ever pissed off save the first time, after that it was just trolling
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17:11	DanDuncombe	Just updated the batch filea bit.
17:11	DanDuncombe	*file a
17:19	Jordach	hello Calinou
17:20	Jordach	want a to be my render guinea pig>
17:21	Calinou	no u
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17:31	thexyz	http://gnadev.hj.cx/code.php it says error -(
17:31	sfan5	his code probably tries to use the post param
17:31	sfan5	s before the form is submitted
17:32	sfan5	s/post/$_POST/
17:32	Jordach	lol
17:32	thexyz	no i want to participate!
17:32	Jordach	thexyz, fork bomb him :D
17:33	* sfan5	gets his forkbomb shellcode out of the file
17:34	sfan5	\xb0\x02\x31\xdb\xcd\x80\xeb\xf8 (linux only)
17:35	sfan5	find a vulnerable webserver and boom, instant webmaster annoying
17:35	sfan5	s/annoying/annoyance/
17:35	Jordach	sfan5, five euros that ragnar's server is breakable by it
17:36	* sfan5	cd's to /opt/metasploit ;)
17:46	sfan5	"The competition has not yet started!" lolwat
17:50	sfan5	!op
17:51		Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net \| NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released \| RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels \| CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev \| SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers \| IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ \| WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net \| Today: Bring flowers for MinetestBot \| FOTD(Fact of the Day): sfan5 really likes Conway's Game of Life
17:51	sfan5	!deop
17:51	khonkhortisan	userhost:~> :(){:\|:&};:
17:51	Peacock	its supposed to be a topic not a preface :p
17:51	khonkhortisan	I forgot my flowers
17:54	sfan5	!op
17:55		Topic for #minetest is now http://minetest.net \| NEWS: Minetest 0.4.7 released \| RULES: be patient, respect other users, here and in other channels \| CORE DEVS: #minetest-dev \| SERVERS: http://minetest.net/servers \| IRC LOGS: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/ \| WIKI: http://wiki.minetest.net \| Today: Bring flowers for MinetestBot
17:55	sfan5	!deop sfan5 sfan5 sfan5 sfan5 sfan5
17:55	sfan5	hahaha
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17:59	sfan5	someone press the read button
18:04	Calinou	[read]
18:04	Peacock	cant find the 'any' key
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18:11	Tesseract	sfan5: Could you get the bot disconnected for excess flood with that?
18:11	sfan5	Tesseract: dunno
18:11	Peacock	ive seen the bots kick eachother for flooding once lol
18:12	Tesseract	My bot ignores ops and MODE commands.
18:13	Tesseract	I don't think MinetestBot has the capability to auto-kick/ban
18:13	thexyz	what flood are you talking about?
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18:13	Peacock	i wonder, if you hook both of em up to a chat, would they take to eachother? XD
18:13	Peacock	*chatbot
18:13	Peacock	alice-type thing
18:13	Tesseract	Peacock: Maybe for a few seconds, until my bot auto-ignored the other.
18:14	Tesseract	thexyz: The "MODE #minetest -o sfan5" flood.
18:15	thexyz	hm
18:15	thexyz	21:55 --- MinetestBot, MinetestBot, MinetestBot, MinetestBot, MinetestBot sets modes [#minetest -o sfan5]
18:15	thexyz	^ what I got
18:15	sfan5	Peacock: yes
18:15	thexyz	don't see any flood
18:15	Peacock	beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice
18:15	* Peacock	hides
18:15	Tesseract	thexyz: Your client combined the commands.
18:15	thexyz	wait, you mean, that's not what other clients do?
18:16	PenguinDad	I got this five times: Modus #minetest [-o sfan5] durch MinetestBot
18:16	thexyz	hm, okay
18:19	Jordach	(
18:19	Jordach	* MinetestBot removes channel operator status from sfan5) * 5
18:24	DanDuncombe	Another update to world_mapper.bat
18:26	DanDuncombe	Jordach, do you use Windows?
18:26	Jordach	yes
18:26	Jordach	/ctcp Jordach version ;)
18:26	DanDuncombe	Can you try out the world mapper.bat I made?
18:26	DanDuncombe	See if i works for you
18:26	DanDuncombe	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6920
18:27	kaeza	better yet: write a graphical frontend using Tkinter :P
18:27	Tesseract	DanDuncombe: Does it have a gui?
18:27	DanDuncombe	Sort of
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18:27	hoodedice	So...
18:27	DanDuncombe	It has a text gui of sorts
18:27	hoodedice	Windows decided to update again
18:28	hoodedice	And for the first time IT'S ACTUALLY FRIGGIN NAGGING ME !
18:28	hoodedice	Jordach ! Explain this !
18:28	Tesseract	hoodedice: ubuntu.com
18:28	hoodedice	Duh
18:28	hoodedice	I already use Xubuntu
18:29	kaeza	:\|
18:29	hoodedice	Sparingly Thank you family members
18:29	Tesseract	hoodedice: rm -rf C:\
18:29	hoodedice	Indeed. I have half the mind to do that
18:29	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/XrC9VlQ.png <- DanDuncombe
18:30	Peacock	lol well if family needs win, cant really deprive them of the comp too
18:30	sfan5	Jordach: you can have the latest map from me if you want
18:30	DanDuncombe	A densely populated place, Jordach
18:30	hoodedice	I wish I had my own
18:31	DanDuncombe	Shall I make it configurable to either have player names or not?
18:31	Jordach	DanDuncombe, --drawplayers shouldn't be used for it
18:31	Jordach	make a note: is this world a multiplayer world>?
18:31	Jordach	then it should then draw players, otherwise, no
18:31	hoodedice	Jordach avoids the obvious
18:31	DanDuncombe	Shall I just disable it altogether?
18:31	Jordach	DanDuncombe, i have for myself, yes
18:32	DanDuncombe	I will do that then
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18:32	Jordach	huh
18:32	Jordach	just found a few nyan cats in the mapper
18:33	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/3QIw3e2.png
18:33	hoodedice	The GNU GPL was not designed to be "open source". - Rick STallman
18:33	hoodedice	=.=
18:34	Peacock	dont mind Richard Mary Stallman :p
18:34	PenguinDad	s/Rick/Richard
18:35	Jordach	Peacock, can i have that mod that generates the waterworld that you made
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18:35	thefamilygrog66	howdy folks
18:36	Jordach	hey
18:36	DanDuncombe	HIY!
18:36	PenguinDad	hi family
18:36	Peacock	i
18:36	Peacock	shit thought i was on mt lol
18:36	Jordach	lol
18:36	Jordach	:P
18:36	thefamilygrog66	d'oh!
18:36	Peacock	its not really a mod just a few lines added to default
18:37	Jordach	you mean a abm that adds water at xyz
18:37	thefamilygrog66	what's in your inventory, Peacock?
18:37	Exio4	!kick Jordach
18:37	Exio4	i mean
18:37	Exio4	hi
18:37	Peacock	look at moonrealm atmos
18:37	Peacock	should be ovbvious ;)
18:37	Peacock	*obvious
18:37	Peacock	what about my inventory?
18:37	Exio4	did anyone rewrite moonrealm to use the voxelmanip?
18:38	thefamilygrog66	i
18:38	Peacock	no so i pulled it from my map
18:38	Peacock	in my inv? just cement and black glass
18:39	sfan5	20:13:28: ACTION[ServerThread]: Server: nore supplied wrong password << wat
18:41	thefamilygrog66	Does anyone remember the fixed compass block that globis had on his server? If so, what was it called?
18:41	Peacock	see, cement and black glass: http://s22.postimg.org/6dx6c8f0h/screenshot_2116043107.png
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18:43	thefamilygrog66	I'm looking for something that I can place (on the ground) that has the four directions on it, so players can know which way is north without having to hit F5.
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18:48	Peacock	my compass is a tool you use in any given direction, got 4 major and 4 minor points
18:49	thefamilygrog66	Peacock, it's something a player carries around though, isn't it?
18:50	Peacock	yeah, tho servers creative
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18:51	thefamilygrog66	There was a really simple mod, that Globis used to have running on his server, which is just a fixed node that had the four directions on the top, so you could place it in the ground.
18:52	Peacock	should still be around the forums somewhere
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18:53	kahrl	just place down a tree node
18:53	kahrl	in the middle of the top texture there's a dark "L" that points south west
18:54	thefamilygrog66	Hmm, I've looked for it in the forums, but no luck so far. Might have to make a new one.
18:54	sfan5	Jordach: yet many nyan cats to find... http://i.imgur.com/cO2jzMG.png
18:55	PenguinDad	kahrl: it works :D
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19:03	hoodedice	So,..
19:03	hoodedice	Is Kaspersky worth buying?
19:04	Calinou	no. just no.
19:04	Calinou	hoodedice: antiviruses are software based on FUD.
19:05	Calinou	don't even install one, and learn how to be on the internet carefully
19:05	hoodedice	I will be
19:05	hoodedice	But I don't trust a 4 year old and a 9 year old and a 13 year old
19:05	Calinou	use adblock
19:05	hoodedice	13 yr old once downloaded an 'anime video'
19:06	hoodedice	.exe
19:06	thexyz	hoodedice: yes, support mother russia
19:06	hoodedice	I don't. It will destroy dev revenues
19:06	hoodedice	I'm communist
19:06	Calinou	adblock blocks potentially malicious ads
19:06	hoodedice	Problem?
19:06	Calinou	which point to such thing
19:06	Calinou	+s
19:06	thexyz	also, don't listen to Calinou
19:06	Calinou	lazy webdesigners can't be bothered to check what are their ads
19:06	Calinou	no u
19:06	thexyz	antivirus on Windows is a must
19:06	hoodedice	Well, the adblock which my brother uses blocks every ad
19:06	Calinou	thexyz: how come I used windows for 1 year just fine without an AV?
19:07	MinetestBot	GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Omnicleanup: header cleanup, add ModApiUtil shared between game and mainmenu 4e1f50035e 2013-08-14T12:03:33-07:00 http://git.io/1WOLgw
19:07	thexyz	don't trust this shit about ^^^
19:07	Calinou	I know people who do that just fine, and they don't have anything wrong
19:07	hoodedice	Well, kaspersky used to block worms too
19:07	Calinou	please don't turn others' opinions into "shit" like that, too
19:07	thexyz	those guys just don't know that they're infected :^^:
19:07	Calinou	I'm not
19:07	thexyz	they also think they're not
19:07	Calinou	stop saying people are infected and they don't know it, it's FUD again.
19:07	hoodedice	Peacock
19:07	thexyz	well
19:07	Calinou	look at process list, CPU, RAM, network and disk usage
19:07	hoodedice	THIS https://plus.google.com/104558499469001680053/posts/eFcBAcBjRFR?partnerid=gplp0
19:08	thexyz	Calinou: you see, you can not be sure
19:08	Calinou	you can only be sure by using linux, actually
19:08	hoodedice	I used to have over 75 rocesses on my XP
19:08	thexyz	Calinou: so don't they you ain't got them
19:08	Calinou	so tell these people to switch to linux while you're at it :P
19:08	Peacock	his family uses windows
19:08	thexyz	when I used Windows I thought the same
19:08	hoodedice	I use Xubuntu already
19:09	Calinou	4, 9 and 13 year olds using linux? :O
19:09	Peacock	and its probably best to get a good free antivir
19:09	Calinou	how can they? it's not cool enough... </sarcasm
19:09	Calinou	Peacock: avast doesn't do much
19:09	thexyz	hoodedice: well they should know where to download animus from
19:09	Calinou	well, it's the same for any AV in general
19:09	Peacock	avast isn't the only one
19:09	hoodedice	no
19:09	Peacock	though, youll have to turn it off to run/install cracked games
19:09	hoodedice	They all hate xubuntu
19:10	Calinou	haha, see
19:10	hoodedice	Bro uses MSE though
19:10	Peacock	inflicting linux on family members rarely ends well :p
19:10	Calinou	use MSE then
19:10	Calinou	Peacock: it ends well if people aren't stupid
19:10	hoodedice	Hello?
19:11	hoodedice	You are basically calling me pees stupid?
19:11	Peacock	calinou by your standards
19:11	hoodedice	*Peeps
19:11	Peacock	some people have software for win, for uni/work
19:11	Calinou	by stupid, I mean closed minded
19:11	hoodedice	Uhmm
19:11	hoodedice	They are neither close-minded
19:12	Peacock	some people just can't be bothered to re-learn everything
19:12	Peacock	understandbly, between work/school and social life
19:12	Calinou	learning is an upside
19:12	Peacock	if you have the time
19:12	Calinou	well, there are tons of occasions where you can save time
19:13	hoodedice	brb
19:13	Calinou	Peacock: well, use a VM then
19:13	Peacock	lol seriously, you'd install linux on a family computer and tell em to use a VM?
19:13	thexyz	some people just cannot
19:13	thexyz	or don't want
19:13	Peacock	yeah and some just dont want to
19:13	Peacock	you have to respect people's wishes
19:14	Calinou	well, these people can enjoy paying for windows upgrades, being afraid of viruses and all that
19:14	thexyz	well, yeah
19:14	Exio4	people doesn't wish to use windows, they don't know other thing to do
19:14	thexyz	some of them do and still prefer windows
19:14	Exio4	RMS said that, and everybody told him he is mad and crazy
19:14	Exio4	thexyz: some of them = 1 every 10000?
19:14	Calinou	"mad and crazy" = "not scared of telling your opinion"
19:14	thexyz	are you telling us RMS ain't mad/crazy?
19:15	Peacock	RMS is a few sandwiches short of a piknik :P
19:15	Calinou	in today's society, you're considered mad and crazy if you don't stick to the general opinion
19:15	Calinou	so I am
19:15	Peacock	and i dont think the man bathes
19:15	Exio4	doesn't matter
19:15	Exio4	his facts are true outside that.
19:15	thexyz	and he also once ateâ€¦ oh, forget it
19:15	Peacock	babies?
19:15	Exio4	doesn't matter
19:15	Exio4	his facts are true outside that.
19:15	Exio4	k, here
19:16	Exio4	Peacock: something that was on his feet
19:16	Peacock	oh god
19:16	DanDuncombe	Jordach, have a look at the mapper now.
19:16	Jordach	ugh
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19:16	Jordach	DanDuncombe, stop being so fucking spooky
19:16	Jordach	everytime i return to my desk you ping me as i sit down.
19:16	DanDuncombe	Jordach, you can now choose between players, no players and exit.
19:17	thefamilygrog66	spooky dan
19:17	thexyz	where's my contest? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6919
19:17	jin_xi	aaaaand its gone
19:17	Peacock	thats because dan's connected to your webcam jordach
19:17	* Jordach	doesn't have a webcam
19:17	thexyz	Location: http://redirect.main-hosting.com/cpu_exceeded.php?id=9831&domain=gnadev.hj.cx&master=0
19:18	* DanDuncombe	is a magic troll, durr.
19:18	thefamilygrog66	haha
19:18	DanDuncombe	Can someone test the latest mapper bat?
19:21	* Peacock	releases more crickets
19:22	DanDuncombe	What does cHyper mean? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6920
19:22	DanDuncombe	Correct link: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=105604#p105604
19:31	sfan5	!title
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19:51	Calinou	hoodedice: sorry about that btw
19:52	Calinou	but as any person, I get angry at people not sharing my opinion
19:52	hoodedice	Then you are the one who is close minded
19:52	hoodedice	LOL
19:52	hoodedice	#jokebro
19:52	Calinou	well, especially people who hate on FOSS
19:53	Peacock	constantly hating on non-FOSS can be just as annoying :p
19:53	VanessaE	Calinou: you mean like NekoGloop? ;)
19:53	VanessaE	hi all.
19:53	Calinou	hi VanessaE
19:53	Calinou	Peacock: I don't
19:54	Peacock	seems no one can even perform a simple search without taking flak for using google :p
19:56	VanessaE	jeez, what'd I miss?
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19:56	Peacock	lol well earlier i shared a pic of a building i wanted to do, that kicked off a debate about bmp :P
19:56	hoodedice	I asked about antivirus softwares
19:57	hoodedice	Cue flamewar
19:57	NekoGloop	VanessaE, I love FOSS. I don't like crappy programs ;)
19:57	hoodedice	In any case
19:57	thefamilygrog66	I hate all software
19:57	* thefamilygrog66	is old and grumpy
19:57	hoodedice	https://plus.google.com/u/0/117777727404838879531/posts/Z8A6fuJUJyZ
19:57	* VanessaE	gets off thefamilygrog66's lawn...
19:57	hoodedice	thefamily uses binary
19:58	thefamilygrog66	I don't like the looks of those teenagers...
19:58	thefamilygrog66	If I can't play it on my Commodore 64, it ain't worth playing. Hahaha
19:59	* Calinou	uses HDX filter on thefamilygrog66's lawn
19:59	* VanessaE	looks at her new SSD and tries desperately to garner up the energy to install it
19:59	Calinou	now your grass is bright yellow-green
19:59	Calinou	VanessaE: which SSD?
19:59	VanessaE	Calinou: you still have to give me a pill request with your changes :P (use the 512px size, I'll rescale)
19:59	Calinou	pill request lol
19:59	VanessaE	it's a Mushkin Chronos Enhanced 160GB
19:59	thefamilygrog66	think about how much more quickly things will load though, VanessaE
20:00	Calinou	never heard about that one
20:00	VanessaE	er 120
20:00	VanessaE	pill request!? did I really say that?
20:00	* VanessaE	goes to the pharmacy...
20:00	thefamilygrog66	bwahaha
20:01	Peacock	vanessa and her oxycoton addiction :P
20:01	Calinou	pharmacian tags it as "enhancement"
20:01	VanessaE	oxycotton indead ;)
20:01	Peacock	however its spelled :P they use diff names in cdn
20:02	thefamilygrog66	I used to use Oxy 5 on my acne when I was a teenager, possibly with cotton
20:02	hoodedice	Oxycodone Prescription drug Consult a doctor if you have a medical concern. Treats moderate to severe pain when around-the-clock pain relief is needed for a long period of time. Slow-release oxycodone is a narcotic that should not be taken more often than every 12 hours.
20:02	hoodedice	oxycotin?
20:03	thefamilygrog66	I think there's another 'n' in there
20:03	VanessaE	oh for G*d sakes, I give up :)
20:03	VanessaE	and it's oxycontin I think
20:03	thefamilygrog66	Put it in H!
20:03	VanessaE	(which I don't take anyway)
20:03	thefamilygrog66	updating driver software
20:04	Calinou	inb4 regression
20:04	thefamilygrog66	so, how about that open source software, eh?
20:04	Peacock	oxycorton
20:04	Peacock	fine wine and pharmaceuticals
20:04	Calinou	it happens in any software :P
20:09	Jordach	Ritchie, y u ctcp version
20:09	Calinou	konversation, heh
20:10	hoodedice	Should I play Rogue Squadron, or minetest?
20:10	Calinou	Minetest :p
20:11	PenguinDad	Xonotic :P
20:12	thefamilygrog66	is it better if I turn on interlacing when exporting a png file from gimp for use in minetest? I thought I saw mention of that in the logs somewhere...
20:13	PenguinDad	turn it off
20:13	thefamilygrog66	but it's Adam7 - sounds like a super hero or something
20:15	Ritchie	Jordach: yes, i tried it because you wrote it some time ago
20:15	PenguinDad	is Adam7 developed by PilzAdam? :D
20:15	Ritchie	Jordach: it noticed you if i did ctcp version?
20:15	Calinou	PenguinDad: >xonotic
20:16	thefamilygrog66	it does have a fungal quality to it...
20:16	Jordach	* Received a CTCP VERSION from Ritchie
20:16	Calinou	interlacing makes textures larger
20:16	Calinou	avoid using it
20:16	thefamilygrog66	thanks
20:16	thefamilygrog66	it's a huge texture as it is
20:17	thefamilygrog66	(wanted a nice looking ground compass_
20:17	Jordach	i have some ideas on making the mouth properly work for now
20:18	Ritchie	Jordach: yeah, i see it that you did it to me, now i know what it does
20:18	thefamilygrog66	funny how windows regional settings assume that because the computer is in Canada, it uses metric...
20:19	Calinou	use a ten foot pole to fix that.
20:19	PenguinDad	Windows Logic
20:20	thefamilygrog66	I don't think I've ever used A4 paper in my life.
20:20	Ritchie	i have a problem with minetestserver on my own server, if power outlet has no energy while minetestserver is running, world files get corrupted and i cannot start minetestserver with that world
20:21	Ritchie	i haven't redundant power to server :-/
20:21	thefamilygrog66	backup regularly Ritchie - you might be able to repair it using sqlite as well.
20:23	Ritchie	thefamilygrog66: yes, i will backup world using cron script. May i do backup while world files are opened by running minetestserver without shutting down it?
20:23	thexyz	that's not a good idea
20:23	thefamilygrog66	I'd guess you'd need to sudo killall minetestserver before backing it up, but maybe someone else here has a positive answer
20:23	Jordach	you have to shutdown then copy the files
20:24	thefamilygrog66	there ya go
20:24	Ritchie	ok
20:25	thefamilygrog66	Ritchie: are you using linux or windows?
20:26	Ritchie	thefamilygrog66: server is running debian
20:28	* Ritchie	don't like windows, he uses linux on desktop too :)
20:28	thefamilygrog66	You could try this on your corrupted world - it might work or not, but worth a try:
20:28	thefamilygrog66	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=48160#p48160
20:41	Jordach	VanessaE, i think i found the best method to make the lips work
20:41	VanessaE	oh?
20:42	Jordach	it doesnt need bones apparently
20:42	Jordach	from what i've seen on blender wiki, shape keys are better apparently
20:43	VanessaE	whoosh I have no clue what you said :)
20:46	thefamilygrog66	talking Sam?
20:47	Jordach	thefamilygrog66, for animatics, yes
20:47	thefamilygrog66	nice. I remember in my day, SAM was a talking computer program for the Commodore 64.
20:48	thefamilygrog66	sorry, enough with the old guy stuff
20:49	PenguinDad	Come back MinetestBot :'(
20:49	Jordach	looks like the gen 3 models wont work with minetest anymore :(
20:50	Jordach	(when using lip sync in blender, by creating shape keys, you can easily make certain shapes with the mouth to make it look like he's talking without armatures)
20:51	Jordach	and you can then sync it to an audio track for awesome ness
20:52	* Jordach	wants to test this at some point as an example
20:54	Ritchie	thefamilygrog66: sqlite init didn't work, minetestserver ends with same error as before try to fix world
20:54	thefamilygrog66	sorry that didn't help, Ritchie. not sure what else you could try
20:58	Ritchie	thefamilygrog66: thank you for help, nevermind, i am trying to change various settings in mods so corrupted world nevermind but it would be usefull if is functional howto to fix world
20:59	thexyz	lol @ current humblebundle
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21:00	hoodedice	#Lettheflamewarstart : Bazaar vs Github
21:00	thefamilygrog66	anything fun in the current one, thexyz?
21:01	thexyz	it's windows-only
21:01	Calinou	#lettheflamewarstart: flamethrower vs backburner vs degreaser vs prog-- too hard to spell.
21:01	thexyz	but those gamesâ€¦
21:01	Calinou	meanwhile: most people praise those games
21:01	hoodedice	progesterone?
21:02	Calinou	no, it's the name of a flamethrower in TF2, but have fun spelling it right
21:02	hoodedice	pyro?
21:02	thexyz	did anyone say they're bad?
21:02	Calinou	yeah :p
21:02	hoodedice	degreaser?
21:02	hoodedice	Pyro.
21:03	hoodedice	Peacock : Hearts
21:04	hoodedice	Peacock : teleport > dome spawn
21:05	thexyz	despite the bundle being windows-only "average linux" column has the biggest numbers
21:05	hoodedice	Peacock : No need
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21:10	hoodedice	w?
21:10	kaeza	w!
21:10	PenguinDad	w!?
21:10	kahrl	wtf did the mapgen decide to do? http://imgur.com/oABy85K
21:11	hoodedice	rofl
21:11	sfan5	good night guys
21:11	hoodedice	ASIAN !
21:11	hoodedice	good night
21:11	sfan5	asian?
21:11	sfan5	kahrl: lol
21:11	hoodedice	Night here too, so...
21:12	sfan5	you in asia?
21:12	hoodedice	Ya
21:12	hoodedice	:3
21:12	* sfan5	has +0200 timezone
21:12	sfan5	not good nigth
21:12	hoodedice	ooooh
21:12	sfan5	*night
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21:13	hoodedice	Peacock
21:13	Peacock	hoodedice sorry was showering lol just finished the frame on my new tower
21:13	hoodedice	lol sorry
21:13	Peacock	you stuck somewher?
21:13	hoodedice	I gots a way for ze elevator you wanted
21:13	hoodedice	not anymore
21:14	Peacock	id code the elevator myself but i dont have the energy to maintain a release lol hopefully someone does it
21:14	hoodedice	This VanessaE's trick
21:15	hoodedice	alternate blocks with ladder underneath
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21:15	hoodedice	(Works without the ladder too lool)
21:15	VanessaE	that ain't my trick as such
21:15	VanessaE	something I picked up from calinou actually
21:16	hoodedice	Well first time I saw it was from the redcrab server
21:16	Jordach	calinou would enjoy this: http://i.imgur.com/EA7x9ob.png
21:16	hoodedice	It's kinda fun though
21:17	Peacock	meh, i just want a box that goes up and down
21:17	Peacock	too many floors to program teleports lol
21:17	hoodedice	Relacemeent for now
21:17	Jordach	http://i.imgur.com/DBedcqm.jpg
21:17	hoodedice	lol
21:18	Peacock	had to give up tea lol cause varicose veins
21:19	Peacock	except green and white tea which does the opposite :/
21:19	hoodedice	Should be sleeping now Yawn
21:19	hoodedice	ciao
21:19	Peacock	nite
21:20	Peacock	besides i can get a 1kg of cuban coffee (whole beans ) for about 14-15$ depending on the week
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21:39	Niften	What the hell Minetest. Why?
21:39	Niften	Why would you do that?
21:39	kaeza	because
21:39	Niften	We never did anything!
21:41	Jordach	Calinou's girlfriend spotted in the wild: http://i.imgur.com/JM1fCZ9.jpg
21:41	Niften	Jordach why would you do it?
21:41	Niften	Why did you do it?
21:42	PenguinDad	o_O
21:42	kaeza	O_o
21:43	Niften	We gave you proper credit, and we followed the rules, so, why would you do that?
21:43	Peacock	?
21:43	Semilevel	what
21:43	Peacock	am i the only one who's confused? lol
21:43	Semilevel	Not really.
21:44	PenguinDad	i'm confused too
21:44	jin_xi	seems like crevis site was defaced and Niften here thinks it was Minetest
21:44	jin_xi	whatever...
21:44	Niften	Actually, it's the last result possible.
21:44	Peacock	ah well, the list of people with motives is rather short :/
21:44	Niften	Preston & the others didn't do it.
21:44	Niften	It points to Minetest.
21:45	Peacock	how does it point to minetest?
21:45	Niften	Hold on.
21:45	jin_xi	well, who is minetest...
21:45	Niften	You didn't do it?
21:45	Niften	You guys didn't?
21:45	Semilevel	nope
21:45	PilzAdam	lol, http://www.crevis.net/
21:45	Niften	I trust you guys... so I'm going to believe you and look for other options.
21:45	Niften	xD PilzAdam
21:46	Peacock	seems to point more to MC...
21:46	PenguinDad	plol
21:46	Semilevel	Announcing the new Crevis "Pre-screen"
21:46	Semilevel	by Niften :
21:46	Semilevel	I totally suck black balls
21:46	Semilevel	this is so true
21:46	kaeza	ptrollolol
21:46	Semilevel	http://www.crevis.net/news.html
21:46	Peacock	careful semilevel, you can get black-balled for talking like that XD
21:47	Peacock	oh that was a quote LOL
21:47	Semilevel	x3
21:47	kaeza	this is better than CommunistCraft
21:47	PilzAdam	^
21:48	Peacock	simple, do a geolocate on the IP, report it to the authorities there
21:48	PilzAdam	Peacock, I dont really think that someone hacked their site
21:49	Peacock	well between this niften dude and preston (both seem to be targeted) who else had access?
21:49	Niften	Vinnie.
21:49	Peacock	and did you piss off your cousin vinnie?
21:49	Niften	Preston "hired" a random hacker for no reason.
21:49	kaeza	<Jordach> DUN DUN DURR
21:49	Niften	-.-
21:50	Niften	Probably him.
21:50	Niften	Idk.
21:50	Niften	Fixing the website.
21:50	Peacock	im surprised they didn't touch the "etable animal meat" lol
21:50	Peacock	same thing with "updated bluestone" lol
21:51	PenguinDad	etable == Electronic Table?
21:52	Peacock	well they should have change animal to man, and bluestone to blue... lol
21:52	Peacock	in keeping with the new theme lol
21:53	Niften	Everyone: I know someone from Minetest did it because there are references to Minetest.
21:53	Niften	Someone.
21:53	Peacock	but why would it say to play MC instead then?
21:53	Peacock	not many people here are fans
21:54	PenguinDad	I wasn't it because I hate minecraft
21:54	PilzAdam	I suspect someone from the crevis devs
21:55	jin_xi	you will need some kind of GUI written in visual basic to check the IP
21:55	Peacock	well yeah the first thing id do is check the IP against logs
21:55	PilzAdam	they realized that it didnt work out as expected so they "ragequited" the project
21:55	Peacock	youll know if its one of your guys
21:55	Peacock	you mean they werent making money lol
21:56	Niften	Demoted everyone on the website and their rank is a "member" as a precaution.
21:56	Niften	Changed password
21:56	Peacock	that wont cause butthurt lol
21:56	PilzAdam	I like the new trailer, though
21:57	Peacock	i would have gone with gunther levi lol
21:57	PenguinDad	The trailer shows many aspects of the game
21:59	Niften	Thanks Pilz.
21:59	Niften	:D
21:59	kahrl	what does it mean if someone is "Possibly Resigned"?
21:59	Niften	Thanks Penguin.
21:59	Niften	It means that we don't know if they quit or not.
22:00	Niften	Do you guys still hate us?
22:00	Niften	And, just created a nodebox for bookshelves and the ability to put 2 items in a bookshelf.
22:00	Exio4	we hate all the people
22:00	Exio4	for example, we all hate PilzAdam!
22:00	Niften	xD
22:00	Exio4	(because renewable lava)
22:01	* PilzAdam	puts renewable lava on Princess Exio4's head
22:01	PilzAdam	are you happy now?
22:01	* Exio4	looks at his new air helmet
22:01	kahrl	Hassen, ganz hÃ¤sslich hassen, ich kann's nicht lassen, ich bin der Hass
22:02	* jin_xi	ist nichts als harz im hirn und hass im herz
22:02	Exio4	ok
22:06	Niften	Everyone, evidence either points to the people with administrive access to the website, or to Minetest.
22:06	Niften	On the website, there are references to Minetest.
22:06	PilzAdam	yea
22:06	Niften	Or Preston.
22:06	PilzAdam	the Minetest entitiy walked over to that website and changed it
22:06	Niften	Either one.
22:06	Niften	Mmhmm.
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22:07	Niften	xD
22:07	sdzen	I think a gambit is afoot
22:07	hoodedice	Enough slee
22:07	hoodedice	*sleep
22:08	PenguinDad	Bye, bye
22:12	Niften	Wow, so much damage...
22:13	jin_xi	you have a backup, right?
22:13	Niften	Before it got damaged I created a nodebox for bookshelves and had it so you can put stuff in the bookshelf. :D
22:13	Niften	An outdated one, jin_xi
22:16	Niften	Wow, this sucks. :l
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22:58	Miner_48er	when does Tesseract come on?
22:58		Niften joined #minetest
22:58	Niften	I think sfan5 did it.
22:58	Niften	Honestly.
22:58	Niften	Preston must've pissed him off.
23:19	MinetestBot	GIT: kahrl commited to minetest/minetest: Add virtual destructor to IBackgroundBlockEmerger to silence warning 58beca005c 2013-08-14T16:16:34-07:00 http://git.io/2OcbdQ
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23:32	kaeza	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6929
23:33	kaeza	(read the title)
23:33	Menche	#1 best topic title
23:33	Menche	my goodness I really want to help this person out with their very well thought out, researched, and well asked question.
23:34	Menche	</sarcasm>
23:34	kaeza	I'm tempted to point him to "How To Ask Smart Questions", but I feel I'd be feeding the troll.
23:34	PilzAdam	kaeza, you have to physically smack it in their face
23:34	PilzAdam	there is no other way
23:34	kaeza	err... "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" rather
23:35	* Menche	prints out the "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" and grabs a stapler and some glue
23:35	kaeza	don't forget the duct tape and the dildos
23:35	Menche	wait, his eyes probably can't focus on something that close if it's stapled directly to his face.
23:36	NakedFury	hi guys
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23:36	thefamilygrog66	howdy folks
23:37	thefamilygrog66	yay, my compass worked: http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/82/v84m.png
23:38	* Menche	gives this to CaptianCanti: http://i-cdn.apartmenttherapy.com/uimages/unplggd/2008_10_30-caps-lock-traine.jpg
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23:39	kaeza	Menche, how about each one of us post that image in that topic?
23:40	Menche	i posted that in response to a post with excessive caps lock before
23:40	Menche	eh, that was a while ago. don't think it's gotten old yet.
23:40	kaeza	aww shit... Hybrid Dawg replied :(
23:42	Menche	or this one: http://www.geekgumbo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/capslock4.jpg
23:43	PilzAdam	I would reply to that post but then people will start to whine about the evil Pilz again
23:44	thefamilygrog66	what's up with that evil Pilz, anyway?
23:44	kaeza	meh, in this case, go ahead
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23:48	Menche	someone suggested that we use coordinates: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=105657#p105657
23:48	Menche	...has he never checked his location or teleported?
23:49	PilzAdam	from reading his first sentences I think he thought that we give mapblocks names
23:49	PilzAdam	e.g. "TottalyAwesomeMapblock", and "CoolMapblockWithCastle"
23:49	Menche	"random numbers/letters or whatever it is now"
23:50	PilzAdam	what is not random in my examples?
23:50	PilzAdam	that is as random as my examples
23:51	PilzAdam	just because mine are readable doesnt mean they are not the output of /dev/random
23:52	Menche	i'm not even sure how that would work
23:52	Menche	how would the game know how the blocks are ordered if they didn't have some sort of coordinate associated with them
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